good afternoon and welcome to real britain with me emily carver on your tv online and digital radio . we have a jam digital radio. we have a jam packed show for you today. pressure is growing on the chancellor to cut tax. is there a chance he could actually do it? a chance he could actually do it.7 time for the spring budget. and despite an impassioned plea, president defence president zelenskyy, defence secretary ben wallace says there will be no immediate transfer of uk fighter jets to ukraine. what are the chances us actually sending .7 and last night sending them? and last night riot police were called to protests outside an asylum seeker hotel in merseyside . i'll seeker hotel in merseyside. i'll be getting the views of my political panel, that one. but first, let's the news first, let's the latest news with addison . thanks, emily. with addison. thanks, emily. good afternoon. it's woman. it passed to hayes. the latest knowsley council in merseyside says the home office gave it less 48 hours notice last year of its intention to house asylum

seekers at a hotel where violent protest broke out on friday. witnesses describe the scene around suites hotel as being like a zone as demonstrators threw missiles and set fire a police van. three people were arrested on suspicion , violent arrested on suspicion, violent disorder, security been increased following the incident with reinforced fencing and a police presence. the shadow home secretary has described the protests as shameful and appalling . more than 2000 appalling. more than 2000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english so far this year. home office figures suggest , and ten office figures suggest, and ten people made the dangerous journey in three small boats yesterday . there have now been yesterday. there have now been more crossings in 2023 than in january and february of 2022 combined. the home office responsibility for crossings in january following eight months in which the navy was in charge . the un chief, martin griffiths , warned that the death toll in

turkey and syria from monday's earthquake could double. it's come as the number of dead southern turkey and northern have passed 24,500, despite the rescuers have continued to find some survivors in the rubble . some survivors in the rubble. but they say the window is . mr. but they say the window is. mr. griffiths says un will carry out separate aid appeals for turkey and, syria in the coming days. what happened here on monday ? what happened here on monday? the epicentre of the earthquake was the worst event in 100 years in this region . we have a clear in this region. we have a clear plan tomorrow, the next day to an appeal for a three month operation to help people of turkey with humanitarian . and we turkey with humanitarian. and we will do some a similar one for the people of syria . well, back the people of syria. well, back here, one man has died and a second remains in hospital . a second remains in hospital. a double stabbing in east hackney wick. officers were called around 4:30 am. when the

victims both their twenties, arrived at a hospital with knife wounds. a 26 year old later died from his injuries. forensic teams are scouring the white post lane area where the incident took place . so far, no incident took place. so far, no arrests have been made . with the arrests have been made. with the search for missing mum nicola pulley now in its 16th day, her partner says wants to keep all opfions partner says wants to keep all options open about her disappearance. paul ansel was speaking to five news, lancashire police say they suspect the mother of two fell into the river. wyre no trace of her has been found. they're now focusing their search further and out towards the coast. despite this, mr. ansel says his gut instinct tells him she didn't fall into the water. person am 100% convinced it's not the river. people don't just vanish thin air. it's absolutely . so something has happened something has happened . find out something has happened. find out what it . i want every house what it. i want every house

every every outbuilding the land scrutinised. i want it all searched. i want it all scrutinised. every piece of it . scrutinised. every piece of it. a british drug dealer has been arrested in thailand after , a arrested in thailand after, a five year hunt by the national agency. richard wakeling essex attempted to import agency. richard wakeling essex attempted to import £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2016. the 55 year old fled in 2018 before his trial began and was sentenced to 11 years in his absence . he remains years in his absence. he remains in custody in thailand and extradition proceedings are . the extradition proceedings are. the us military has shot an unidentified object flying over alaska president joe biden made the decision to bring down the craft which is the size of a small car. ufo which was flying at 40,000 feet, was considered a risk to passenger jets . it risk to passengerjets. it follows the downing last week of a chinese surveillance balloon which was flying over the united

and the coronation emblem for king charles and the queen consort has now been unveiled. it was created by former apple designers . sirjony ive features designers. sirjony ive features an image st edward's crown, which will be used to crown the monarch and, was inspired by the king's love of nature. the emblem also includes rose of england. the thistle of scotland, the daffodil of wales and the shamrock of . northern and the shamrock of. northern this is gb news will bring you more. it happens. nuggets get straight back to real britain with emily carver. thank you. welcome back to . real thank you. welcome back to. real britain with me emily carver. so here's what's coming up on the show this afternoon as the uk narrowly avoids recession a tory pro—tax cuts pressure group led by allies of liz truss of course claims to have more than mp signed up , theoretically giving

signed up, theoretically giving it the numbers to inflict defeat on the government . despite this, on the government. despite this, the chancellor has ruled out tax cuts in spring budget. but is he right ? do so. we'll be debating right? do so. we'll be debating that in one moment. and uk president volodymyr zelenskyy renewed his call for fighter jets during a visit to the uk this week. defence secretary ben wallace supplying aircraft to use in the conflict could potentially take months and said the uk was instead focussed on using alternative provision of air cover to ukraine. then later on in the show, tory deputy lee anderson says he would support it. the return of the death penalty claiming nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed 100% success rate. does he a point there. my political panel will join me later to ask the question, should we have the death penalty back in the uk? also get their views on the scenes we saw riot police scenes we saw last. riot police called to protests outside an asylum hotel in asylum seeker hotel in merseyside. that's we're talking about for the next hour. i'd love know your thoughts on today's topics. please do me at

gb you can email me on gb news or you can email me on gb news or you can email me on gb views at gb news uk. you can also watch us online and on youtube. also watch us online and on youtube . stay tuned . a pressure youtube. stay tuned. a pressure group called , the conservative group called, the conservative growth group, has been holding secretive weekly meetings to come up with ways to put pressure on the government into cutting taxes. i think they're right to do so. our economy isn't growing. inflation will remain high for months to come. is exactly the wrong time to pummel the country with ever taxes and all, but give up on economic growth . indeed, we economic growth. indeed, we heard this week how drug giant astrazeneca has chosen ireland over the uk for its ne w £320 over the uk for its new £320 million drug factory. the chief executive blamed our discouraging tax . so why then discouraging tax. so why then rishi sunak and his chancellor who insist on being free marketeers , still insisting that marketeers, still insisting that there will be no tax cuts? and why on earth has he not yet seen

sense and cancelled the planned rise in corporation ? remember, rise in corporation? remember, it was only last summer that jeremy hunt said he'd immediately the 1915 ppi if he became prime. well, he's made it to chancellor . became prime. well, he's made it to chancellor. he's going to raise it to 25 ppi. if i were a cynic, i'd say maybe he stretching the truth a little in his leadership bid, throwing a little red meat to the base. sure, we know how hunt. hunt wants scrape a little of wants to scrape a little bit of money after billions spent money after the billions spent dunng money after the billions spent during pandemic. but if during the pandemic. but if businesses relocate jobs lost and investment continues to flatline , what's the point? flatline, what's the point? there will be tax to harvest anyway . rishi sunak says he anyway. rishi sunak says he wants to be a life sciences superpower . his answer yet superpower. his answer yet another government department. that's not where growth from. it comes from the businesses , comes from the businesses, innovators. this government is scaring away. it may be easy for the left to demonise the likes of bp and shell for their bumper profit profits insist that more and more taxes are needed. but are the conservatives falling hook and sinker for the same

nonsense idea that you can tax a country to prosperity? if jeremy goes ahead with his plan corporation tax hike, the uk will fall fifth to 30th place in the oecd table . tax the oecd table. tax competitiveness. the chancellor is taking us on path to decline. is the legacy he really wants . is the legacy he really wants. now? yesterday it was revealed that the uk narrowly avoided falling recession in 2022, after the economy zero growth between october and december. chancellor jeremy jeremy hunt said the figures showed underlying resilience but said we not out of the woods . with the news came of the woods. with the news came fresh calls members of his own party to cut tax . with the cbi party to cut tax. with the cbi now pressuring the chancellor into announcing tax breaks for businesses in the spring budget as last chance to help the economy avoid a recession this yeah economy avoid a recession this year. so i want to ask do you

think now is the right time for tax cuts or? do you worry like jeremy hunt , that it could be jeremy hunt, that it could be inflationary ? let me know. but inflationary? let me know. but to debate this , i am now joined to debate this, i am now joined by the director of the orthodox , joseph robertson and emeritus professor of theology at the university of nottingham john milbank. thank you very much indeed. i'm just going to have a little sip of my water very sorry about that , joseph. so tax sorry about that, joseph. so tax cuts. yes. or tax absolutely necessary, i think we're at the point in time where what does that even mean to be conservative government if you can't debate whether or not tax cuts should be happening immediately? don't this immediately? i don't think this government thinking certainly government is thinking certainly about the smallest units in our society. not looking at the society. it's not looking at the family it's not looking at how the cost of living is affecting small businesses. it's small businesses. and it's not encouraging from the encouraging growth from from the ground looking very ground up. it's looking a very top structure, which to me is ground up. it's looking a very top antithesiswhich to me is ground up. it's looking a very top antithesis of ich to me is ground up. it's looking a very top antithesis of conservatism . the antithesis of conservatism. now, john, do you think that joseph is wrong on this? do you think now is not time to be thinking or prioritising tax

cuts? do you worry they could be inflationary or not? not that i don't think that the of tax cuts is very relevant some we so actually don't have very high taxes compared to the eu compared to countries have much better growth than we have there's absolutely no evidence that the problems of our growth situation are very long term to do with continuous low productivity. there's very little evidence that is solved by tax cutting or austerity that just hasn't worked , and the just hasn't worked, and the causes are quite otherwise . and causes are quite otherwise. and actually, although i'm a conservative, it's perfectly conserver to say that it's only since mrs. thatcher that conservatism become a liberal wig. small state ideology. well hang on, john. as i said in, my in my little monologue at at the

top of the show, astra's, a big company, has decided that the taxes are too high or too complicated in this country. and so it's that it's going to place £320 million factory in surely we have to surely the government has to listen to businesses. i think the ireland's is a very good example of a low tax regime that actually does benefit most people in ireland the levels of people in ireland the levels of people on benefits on today ireland is very high the are creamed . by a minority and in creamed. by a minority and in facti creamed. by a minority and in fact i think what we need is to tax labour rather less capital rather more i think it's quite true to say that tax is too high on the squeezed middle in this country. we need to look at thresholds again . and often

thresholds again. and often people have to be then given, be given benefits because their overall income is too low . but i overall income is too low. but i think we need to look at alternative terms like taxing the big platforms more than value . swapping, tax evasion , value. swapping, tax evasion, tough tackling gambling. this of thing . i don't think there's thing. i don't think there's ever any evidence at all that big business is being excessively taxed and if it's dnven excessively taxed and if it's driven away from britain, then this is because we don't offer a very attractive in terms of skills, interests , structure or skills, interests, structure or application of research to development and so on. all our problems are quite other, but it's very old diagnosis. well surely slapping higher taxes on

businesses will cause them to be less economically active. they'll recruit fewer people. it will cost them more to do business. they'll make less a profit. therefore perhaps in the medium to long term. there will less money in the coffers. well idea of growth seems to be spurred from a completely separate area to actually benefit the work. because, of course, what benefits the worker is access to job opportunity and the only way to do that is actually to companies to come into your country and create better jobs. and if you have betterjobs. and if you have higher paid those people higher paid jobs, those people can create their own can enter and create their own wealth that's much wealth. and that's pretty much how system works, how the economic system works, whether like it or but whether you like it or not. but is it do we make sure that is it how do we make sure that tax cuts don't just benefit the chief executives at the top? we talk about tax. people think it's just for the big corporations , but it actually corporations, but it actually affects smaller businesses , too. affects smaller businesses, too. it's their profits that are going to be taxed at a higher rate. but how do you make the that actually tax for business is good for everyone is it?

well, i think one way to do that is actually to talk about tax within a corporate environment. you could band tax for smes, certainly all the way up to mega—corporations who do bear the brunt of tax . but i think to the brunt of tax. but i think to make the entrepreneurial path a little bit , it makes make the entrepreneurial path a little bit, it makes more sense to cut tax at lower level of income or a lower level of turnover and work your way up to those magical creations. you can foot the bill. what seems to me to be the easiest way to stimulate growth. now, john, the conservative growth group , which conservative growth group, which seems to be a sort of truss fan group , essentially, they also group, essentially, they also want childcare reform. so that be more public spending when comes to childcare to try and ensure women don't have to completely give up work because it's too costly to still and not have to look after children and then also housing reforms planning reforms cutting red tape there are you are you in favour of those ideas? well, i

i'm certainly sympathetic to . i'm certainly sympathetic to. theidea i'm certainly sympathetic to. the idea of improving childcare and i think we need to make it more possible people to combine in the domestic situation with with the work situation. so i'm entirely in favour of that . entirely in favour of that. think i'd be very cautious about timing, reform so i think we can make far more use of brownfield for housing and think we need to look into housing cooperatives and i think we need to look into far more into affordable housing there are so many put up at the moment that are relatively expensive. we need to look into higher density terraced housing so as a tax i think it's not a of tax or not how's it going but you do housing and how you do taxation and i think all the evidence is that you simply sort

of reduce tax overall you may get growth for a while, but not enough to justify the loss of pubuc enough to justify the loss of public expenditure . and you public expenditure. and you know, above the weakness of the pubuc know, above the weakness of the public realm at the moment is what is holding back. it's holding back productivity, incentives ization and it people have more money to spend. they tend to put it into the land, into into unproductive speculation because the general weakness of demand in the economy and the poor quality of labour and infrastructure. and so we need to look at this holistically . now, joseph, just holistically. now, joseph, just just lastly, it may well that we have a labour government before long and calls for wealth, taxes will only get louder. i think you know jeremy corbyn was very much in favour of taxing wealth

rather than necessarily just income. there been calls for keir starmer to adopt similar policies . what do you think the policies. what do you think the argument against wealth taxes is 7 argument against wealth taxes is ? well, we're suffering from a striking reality of short termism and problem with all of this is that we're essentially talking about managed decline, which may get better or slightly worse which worse depending on which government decides to take their policies the reality policies forward. the reality is that astounding birth that we have a astounding birth rate crisis this country because people afraid to children, people are afraid to children, because don't tax because they don't have tax incentives have in the incentives, have them in the current environment . as my current environment. as my colleague know, colleague mentioned, you know, we've with we've got an issue with affordable housing. so how about looking at actually doing that make over a long period make sense over a long period rather than gaining term political points and actually putting in place for tax breaks for mothers who won't stay at home, returning to the workforce , for young married couples to get their foot on the housing ladder for actually looking at ways to make our society more viable over the next generation rather than the next political

cycle. joe would you like to see wealth taxes? would you like to see the government go see the government be able to go into someone's house and attend? well, it's take their property no , not at all. i've already no, not at all. i've already that it's a question of how tax and we need to tax capital one might argue that taxing wealth was but one might argue that well these things don't value tax stopping tax evasion but the much more important point here is that growth is not the most immediately pressing issue, the most immediately pressing issue is the quality of life for nearly everybody and absolutely massive of inequality. general, decent . we also need the kind of decent. we also need the kind of growth that is ecological and my view is if we address first starting issue of equal duty and levelling up including levelling up the regions , then from that up the regions, then from that

bottom upwards of middle outwards, as joe biden says , outwards, as joe biden says, growth will more and eventually ensue. so social injustice favours growth . it's not favours growth. it's not antithetical to it, which is the delusion of the tories. ever since mrs. who wasn't a real tory at all. well john i would argue that you've got it the wrong way round, so we've got to go for economic first and then people's living standards will improve. and we've been talking about pie and, then people about the pie and, then people get a bigger slice if. about the pie and, then people get a bigger slice if . you want get a bigger slice if. you want affluence, work harder . now you affluence, work harder. now you get what seen is that the pie always goes to the few whether it's a big pie or a small pie that that's not the answer. the answer is much more equal looking after everybody and that everybody, including the rich will benefit in the well. there we go to differences opinion two very different views thank you very different views thank you very much indeed. director of

the orthodox conservatives joseph roberts in here in the studio and emeritus professor of theology at university of nottingham , john milbank . i just nottingham, john milbank. ijust don't think you can tax your way to prosperity anyway plenty . to prosperity anyway plenty. more to come this afternoon on real britain after the break. ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy calls for zelenskyy renewed his calls for . jets, didn't he, . fighterjets, didn't he, dunng . fighterjets, didn't he, during to the uk this during a visit to the uk this week. defence secretary ben wallace supplying wallace though supplying aircraft to use in the conflict could take months and said the uk instead focussed on using alternative provision of air cover to ukraine. boris johnson also suggests also suggested that we could send of our fighter jets to ukraine. that we could send of our fighterjets to ukraine. let me know what you think about that. but first let's have a look at the weather. hello there. i'm jonathan. three? have the jonathan. what three? have the latest updates from met latest weather updates from met office. during the office. have you been during the weekend it has been weekend so far it has been a fairly settled dry one for fairly settled and dry one for many us and that's is thanks many of us and that's is thanks to pressure that is centred to high pressure that is centred across continental europe and stretching its way into the uk, keeping fronts at bay to keeping weather fronts at bay to the north. there is a bit more of a squeeze in the ice balls

parts of scotland. so it is breezy out here underneath that high pressure there, there is a fair of cloud and that fair amount of cloud and that will us into the will stay with us into the evening over night, a few evening and over night, a few are possible, think, are possible, i think, particularly parts of particularly for parts of north—east parts north—east scotland into parts of on. so it's here of wales later on. so it's here where drop down a bit more where will drop down a bit more overnight into low overnight down into the low single figures of patchy frost and some fog are possible. but where we hold onto the cloud for the majority it will stay the vast majority it will stay frost free around 7 to 6 degrees celsius into tomorrow. the cloud is going to stay in place, particularly for southeastern of england. so it will be in a fairly grey and drab day here . fairly grey and drab day here. but the breeze picking up across the western will allow the western areas will allow a few more breaks in that cloud over parts. south west england, wales, northern ireland and into northern areas england and northern areas of england and scotland. you get scotland. well, so when you get those your breaks and those those in your breaks and those mild temperatures ten degrees celsius, it will be relatively pleasant into the overnight period. we'll continue to see more of that cloud breaking up. so perhaps an increased of some frost now across parts of

scotland, northern england . we scotland, northern england. we move into the early hours of monday morning. again, the risk of some fog are possible as well the cloud, though, going to stay place for areas in the southeast as we start off the new working week high pressure keeping things settled though throughout but as we move throughout the week, that is going to start shifting its way off to the east and that will allow some weather fronts move their way in from fronts to move their way in from the west. so by the time we get to wednesday could see a to wednesday we could see a bit more in across the more rain moving in across the western but temperatures western areas. but temperatures staying relatively the staying relatively mild for the time yeah that's it for enjoy time of yeah that's it for enjoy the of your weekend .

welcome back this is real britain on gb news on tv online on digital radio. now ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy renewed his call for fighter

jets during a visit to the this week. he also did the same over in the in europe well but defence secretary ben wallace says will be no immediate transfer of uk fighter jets to ukraine. but it not completely rule out sending aircraft out to the country, but said air support and supporting moving troops could be achieved by using long—range missiles and drone . joining me now is retired drone. joining me now is retired british army officer major general cross. tim what are your key takeaways from the week? of course, vladimir is very, very keen on sending fighter jets. he keen on sending fighterjets. he said he needs the wings to protect ukraine's . what are the protect ukraine's. what are the chances of us sending them . chances of us sending them. i think pretty minimal at the moment . ben wallace is quite moment. ben wallace is quite right . and you've got to admire right. and you've got to admire zelenskyy mean he's a very courageous leader and a leader in the in the truest sense of the word, which sadly we lack elsewhere around europe. i think. but the chances of him getting uk jets think a minimal.

you've got to remember what does he want these aeroplanes for. i mean we need to be we don't get sucked into air doctrine here but there are lots of different types of aeroplanes that achieve different things, fighter ground attack supporting infantry on ground offensive air support . ground offensive air support. and whether you're trying to get a super air superiority in a particular place where you get a penod particular place where you get a period of time or supremacy , period of time or supremacy, you're trying to dominate the airspace . there's all sorts of airspace. there's all sorts of different aeroplanes fit those models and others , and they're models and others, and they're very complicated of you can very complicated bits of you can train to fly them and we train people to fly them and we are actually the uk is going to train people to fly them, but you then got to have a mass of support to maintain these very complex weapons systems. every time go out and back , time they go out and come back, somebody needs be working on somebody needs to be working on them. manuals in them. you need the manuals in them. you need the manuals in the right language. you the the right language. you need the spare you need the spare parts. you need the engineers and all of the various aspects of the logistics of thought. so, you know, they're very systems. and i very complex systems. and i think ben wallace is to say we won't send aircraft. won't send in a aircraft. frankly, uk fleet has been

frankly, our uk fleet has been very busy over the last few years. it's not that in terms of numbers and notwithstanding bofis numbers and notwithstanding boris johnson's comment, i think the chances of us, our own aeroplanes is minimal. so i can understand why zelenskyy wants them in one sense, but i'm certainly not clear what he intends to do with them and how he intends to support them once they've been deployed. so as it stands, we don't know what zelenskyy's intentions are with jets. if he were to receive them, is he being a little overambitious with his strategy just as a whole ? no, i don't just as a whole? no, i don't think so. i if you are in his position or i was there, i think we would be asking all of this stuff. he's had a he's had a probe, a process of asking for, first of all, defensive capability, you know, anti—tank missile and all stuff that missile and all the stuff that we sent him in the days. and we, the very of the the uk were very much of the curve on and we should be curve on this and we should be we should recognise that ourselves. so you know, defensive equipment to try and stop the russians moving in which in which they succeeded in doing he's now trying to move into the

ability to conduct operations which are very different to conducting operations not just on the ground but in the air as well. so he's asking for armoured vehicles, which was where he started out, long—range artillery systems and rocket systems, then of course, main battle tanks, which has been in the in the media and in the news over the last few weeks. again you know, the danger is he'll end up with a mixed fleet of very complex systems would have to be sustained, so on. but from his he he wants to his point of view he he wants to generate an ability to conduct combat kind arms operations on ground and in the air, to conduct offensive operations against the russians. now issue is and i don't think they've to wait this long, the russians are not going to hang around for all this stuff to arise, which is why this offensive operation they're going conduct, which they're going to conduct, which people talking they're people talking about they're ready now , could well ready to do now, could well pre—empt of pre—empt a lot of this conversation . i we in the conversation. i think we in the west said for a long time we don't want ukraine this. don't want ukraine to lose this.

now do we mean by that now what do we mean by that question mark? and secondly what happens if russia does through in offensive either from in a major offensive either from the north through belarus or from the east, through the donbas what going to do donbas what are we going to do that so i have a problem that so i don't have a problem with president zelenskyy fighting he'll fighting his corner. he'll fighting his corner. he'll fighting this battle. he's trying his he wants as trying to defend his he wants as much stuff as he can get his hands on. but we need to be clear, what's he going do clear, what's he going to do with how he going to with that? how is he going to sustain maintain it and how sustain it, maintain it and how is be able to train and is he going be able to train and prepare the complicated offensive, very different to sitting charges and defending and defending territory and must ask you just lastly , putin has ask you just lastly, putin has responded in the way that we would expect , but he said there would expect, but he said there will be consequence , says for will be consequence, says for britain geopolitically military political consequence says if we do send over more military in the way of fighter jets , how how the way of fighter jets, how how should we react to such threats 7 should we react to such threats ? well, again, i think there's been a bit a dismissive attitude

to putin and some who's a famous, famous writer two and a half thousand years ago said, if you understood yourself and you understand enemy, you need not the outcome of a thousand battles. we need to understand putin and a lot of people i think, very glib about what they think, very glib about what they think about putin from his perspective. this is obviously a very serious issue . crimea is very serious issue. crimea is considered to be russian territory . if the ukrainians territory. if the ukrainians look like going to retake the crimea or whatever, there are potentially . now, the potentially serious. now, the only think he's going to use tactical nuclear weapons may be, but i don't think so. cyber and other methods of attacking the west you know they're all possibilities that we consider and we should be very and with our eyes open as we continue to support president zelenskyy which to be fair, i've been very critical of the germans for example, slow to this example, in their slow to this stuff. germans are stuff. but the germans are serious when they say, look, this could escalate we this could escalate things. we need this carefully, need to think this carefully, otherwise could find with a otherwise we could find with a regional conflict, not a conflict within the boundary of

ukraine. well, quite. thank you very much, general tim cross, retired british army officer. thank for joining us retired british army officer. thank forjoining us on the show thank for joining us on the show this afternoon just giving his take on last week when it take on the last week when it comes to president zelenskyy as well asks from us for fighter jets . he was gb news on tv and jets. he was gb news on tv and dab radio after the break, tory deputy chairman lee anderson says he would support the return of the penalty, claiming of the death penalty, claiming has ever committed a crime after being executed 100% success rate. he says. does he have a point? my political panel will me later to ask the question should have the death penalty back the uk. now it's time back in the uk. now it's time for on the news for a check on the news headunes for a check on the news headlines with ray anderson . 33 headlines with ray anderson. 33 minutes past. here's the latest knowsley council in merseyside . knowsley council in merseyside. the home office gave it less than 48 hours notice last year of its intention to house seekers at the hotel with . seekers at the hotel with. violent protests broke out on friday. witnesses described the scene around , the suites hotel,

scene around, the suites hotel, as like a war zone. demonstrators throw a and setting fire to a van. three people were arrested on suspicion of violent disorder. more than 2000 migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year. home figures suggest 102 people made the dangerous journey in three small boats yesterday. there have now been more crossings in 2023 than in january and february of 2022 combined. un aid chief martin griffiths is warning death toll in turkey and syria following monday's earthquakes double. his comments come as the number of confirmed dead passed 25,000. despite the conditions rescuers continue to find some survivors in the rubble, but they say the window is quickly closing as the for missing mum nicola pulley continue eu's 16 days since her disappear . continue eu's 16 days since her disappear. her partner says his gut tells him she did not fall into the river pool and ansel was speaking to five news.

lancashire police say suspect the mother of two fell into the river wyre but no trace of her has been found. they're now focusing their search further downstream and out towards the coast . and a british drug dealer coast. and a british drug dealer been arrested in thailand after a five year manhunt by national crime agency. wakeling from essex attempted . to import £8 essex attempted. to import £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2016. the 55 year old fled in 2018 for his trial began. the 55 year old fled in 2018 for his trial began . he was his trial began. he was sentenced to 11 years in his absence on tv, online and on tape plus radio. this is gb news. don't go anywhere, real britain. we'll be back. just a moment .

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with me. emily carver gb news on tv online and digital radio. now three people have been arrested on suspicion of violent disorder at a protest outside a hotel housing, asylum seekers in merseyside. witnesses describe the scene as being like a warzone as demonstrators reportedly threw and set fire to a police van. shadow home secretary of cupar has called the behaviour shameful and appalling. joining now is my wonderful political panel, commentator emma webb over there and former mp and minister for europe , dennis macshane. thank europe, dennis macshane. thank you very much indeed. now what happened last night outside this asylum hotel was pretty distressing . i don't know if distressing. i don't know if you've seen images , videos of you've seen images, videos of what took place , some people what took place, some people online, some comments have suggested that the government's rhetoric, the media is rhetoric around asylum seekers and migrants crossing the channel could be to blame for this kind of behaviour. what do you think. the only thing to blame for

violent behaviour is violent people who violently and torture a police car is unacceptable. but yes we are moving into a lot more tension and aggravation. i start from very young man . you start from very young man. you know, powell was raising the temperature, he was calling it was the tory politician who called for the repatriation of the pair of rishi sunak or suella braverman or james cleverly was so racist and that caused such tension . but people caused such tension. but people loved it. don't workers marched in support him at the national front . the party that was said front. the party that was said speaking out as it were, all these issues was very strongly supported by some people in in in britain . i supported by some people in in in britain. i think it's supported by some people in in in britain . i think it's very in britain. i think it's very sad . it's very worries why words sad. it's very worries why words have consequences. you can't talk about invading the country and the rest without people. see, we're being invaded. we have to . well, regardless, have to. well, regardless, obviously we don't know who

these people were. and you know, so far these are just report . so so far these are just report. so we don't know exactly the motive ation entirely of what happened outside this hotel . but ation entirely of what happened outside this hotel. but is it not true that the government's policy could be to, for example, the home essentially dumping people in some of the most impoverished areas the country? it's likely to raise tensions, is it not? i think i mean, in some sense and i agree you i think the only people who can be blamed for the violent actions, the people who commit violent actions. it's funny how we don't often that, it? we all often do that, isn't it? we all blame the media, do. but blame the media, but i do. but i do think the it's that this idea that we should on one hand, i think you're right. i think the government have completely mocked up our immigration policy, everything about it been a complete disaster. so in that sense , obviously bear sense, obviously bear responsibility for having completely bungled the whole thing. and that's an understatement, i think. but on the other hand, i think those who trying to blame government

rhetoric, it's rhetoric, whether it's describing boats coming in as an invasion think people who are trying to blame that are completely missing the point . completely missing the point. actually, the government are barely up with the mood of the pubuc barely up with the mood of the public on this. the public are very very angry. every single poll shows that people are extremely unhappy with. the situation and when the government come and talk tough every now , then, even if their every now, then, even if their actions don't necessarily the rhetoric they come out and rhetoric when they come out and talk tough that is a sort of tip of the iceberg when it comes to pubuc of the iceberg when it comes to public opinion on this. so the idea that government rhetoric motivate something like this, which never seen before , i which we've never seen before, i think is an absurd , but it is think is an absurd, but it is something we have seen the continent, is it not? germany has had similar things happen in caphal has had similar things happen in capital. it's possible that perhaps people seen the way that the police have policed other protests and protests that have taken place in, for example, france and have that you know

this something that perhaps we do as well but i think that another aspect of this is that and this is not something that's been verified but it seems just looking at the online reaction to this, that what seems have sparked this is a video of a young girl, 15 year old girl being propositioned by a migrant in the local area and her saying to him that i am underage and thatis to him that i am underage and that is illegal in this country . and when she says she's 15, he replies saying good. and that seems to be part of what has sparked this . so as i say that's sparked this. so as i say that's not verified , but it does seem not verified, but it does seem to be part is why people have not been verified. if it's not been verified, should you be spreading this on gb news? well, i'm saying that we're about the reaction on social media, what may be motivating people to, you know, to have that spark, to them over the edge from just being about migration being angry about migration policy so furious that policy to being so furious that it's this situation and it's really how how how do we talk

about issues like this without fuelling . such strong feeling fuelling. such strong feeling that you end up with violent episodes because ? you can't. you episodes because? you can't. you know, we had with when it came to the grooming gangs, for example, which we'll be talking about later in the show with charlie peters, done charlie peters, who's done a documentary will documentary which will be broadcast evening . we saw broadcast this evening. we saw how people wanted to ignore the problem because of political correctness , as do you. how do correctness, as do you. how do we broach these subjects without being of making things more ? being of making things more? well, i would simply i was mp for rotherham, which was one of the city towns in grooming abedi . it was oxford, it was a north—east it was london, it went round i'm afraid . taxi went round i'm afraid. taxi driving groups from a certain community that you could pick up, vulnerable, young women often in care , parents who saw

often in care, parents who saw exchange for affection, love, something it's quite unpleasant and complicated, but i mean, there is a lot of sex under the age of 60, believe it or not, or even under 18 or even outside marriage. and then when it started happening, what was the astonishing was they did go to the police and the police did nothing. the police were getting so in some cases getting favours in return . they took it to the in return. they took it to the council the social workers who also didn't quite know what to do if it we brought to be, you know a huge rouse some of the communities where i was the mp i said debate or story ever. as soon as i heard , i raised it soon as i heard, i raised it with the home secretary on, the floor of the house of commons and. that's what everybody should do to pour. please pour in resources out what's going on. well very interesting, because, of course , been because, of course, been levelled at places like

rotherham. is that people completely turned a blind eye. we will talk that coming up . completely turned a blind eye. we will talk that coming up. but just on this particular scene from from yesterday evening this protest, how can we this is to both of you really how can we stop like this happening in the future? is this just something that will continue to happen until particular problem is until this particular problem is solved? that's really difficult question. i mean , the anger the question. i mean, the anger the anger that is growing around migration and issues obviously has continued to grow despite . has continued to grow despite. the fact the government of talk tough and not really met a lot of the that they've made to the british public. so i think you know , one thing that the know, one thing that the government can do is reassure not with but with actions. the british public , the immigration british public, the immigration situation is being brought under control, but it comes to individuals decisions to take violent actions or to riot. i think that a really complicated issue and it's connected to and all sorts of things i wouldn't

feel qualified to comment on. i mean, for me, i think it's a terrible policy that the home office can essentially force councils to know whether they're a particularly impoverished area of the country where there's not accommodation for people who are already living there. and such things . and essentially you just things. and essentially you just dump people that hardly surprising in a way that people might get, oh, absolute . that's might get, oh, absolute. that's no justification for what i'm saying. we all after we took action in kosovo to stop the genocide, the srebrenica year, which driving hundreds of thousands kosovo wants out of their country, the serb atrocities across europe bodies are here in and in my town. you saw these poor just are here in and in my town. you saw these poorjust desperate saw these poor just desperate with fear . and they're called with fear. and they're called the kosovars standing in leather jackets , jeans, without a job, jackets, jeans, without a job, without without anything. so, of course, people upset. they kept coming to me and saying, mr. macshane, why aren't they in mayfair? while well, this point

and why they in richmond? why aren't they where the rich and the eu labour guys and the boss post live. why are the ones always we have to find accommodation after them and it's being imposed as i think people feel it's being imposed on those community that are already suffering in all sorts of ways of suffering from the cost of living crisis. they themselves can't access local services and they see that these migrants who , many of whom have migrants who, many of whom have absolutely no to here absolutely no right to here because they're economic migrants and they're being processed, they that they're getting of these things getting all of this these things and government money, their taxes, be careful because they quickly very, very quick. quickly get very, very quick. alright. they have at alright. they have looked at all of people applied for of the people who applied for application asylum who application for asylum who crossed you know, crossed the channel you know, in the of such the boats, of course such controversy , 40, 56% of them are controversy, 40, 56% of them are for poor people who were raped , for poor people who were raped, abused in syria and in iraq. the countries we intervene in and by any standard in any country

merit asylum. but you keep saying, oh, they're all economic migrants. that also the problem you can't generalise you mustn't because the demographic of those crossing the channel changes all the time . and it's not the case the time. and it's not the case that everyone is an economic migrant and it the case that many will get asylum here. but it is also the case that are people who are abusing the system and everyone can see that anyway. we have to go to the merseyside police and crime commissioner emily, who said commissioner emily, who has said on twitter about what happened last night, deeply shocking and concerning scenes of violence in closely as i pronounce it this evening. knowsley knowsley utterly unacceptable behaviour putting officers public danger. i am monitoring the situation . i am monitoring the situation. there is absolutely no excuse for this now a lot of you have been sending in your thoughts on the topics been discussing this afternoon on whether taxes should be cut . says if people should be cut. says if people have no money, they cannot spend and the sounds like and stimulate the sounds like your pro tax cuts putting more

money into people's hands dave says to grow you need innovation initiatives and, entrepreneurial courage. and for that have to create an environment in which those things flourish. you don't do that with repressive regimes and rewards for those who and poor rewards for those who are prepared to take risks and, those are prepared to work those who are prepared to work hard the state to hard and not on the state to provide money for their lives. nice little amount of pesto there dave, that there from you, dave, like that .thank there from you, dave, like that . thank all for sending in . thank you all for sending in your . now on to our next your views. now on to our next debate. new tory chairman may shaking up bit. he's sort shaking things up bit. he's sort of the media with a bang. he of hit the media with a bang. he says he would support return of death penalty. ashfield mp anderson was handed the senior government during the prime minister's reshuffle earlier this week in an interview with the spectator magazine, mr. anderson said nobody has ever a crime after being executed . did crime after being executed. did you know that, don't you? 100% success rate ? well, to the point success rate? well, to the point that actually, anderson , that is that actually, anderson, that is lee anderson style. still with me as my political panel, commentator emma webb and former labour mp and minister europe

dennis mook . shane, is he dennis mook. shane, is he straight ? he dennis mook. shane, is he straight? he just dennis mook. shane, is he straight ? he just represents the straight? he just represents the view of some people in this fine country though it is absolute be true that when you hang that person committed , but also when person committed, but also when you how you innocent man man , you how you innocent man man, woman mainly men which done quite a lot that person come back and get his life back and again in 1974 there was little baby reporter for the bbc in birmingham ira pub bombing. baby reporter for the bbc in birmingham ira pub bombing . one birmingham ira pub bombing. one killed, 84 injured. the cops hauled the first six irish where they can find the ferry boat trade , fitted them up and the trade, fitted them up and the judge said, i'm sorry, capital punishment has been abolished because i can't sentence you to death 15 years later, they were all clear. they were utterly innocent all got. the queen's pardon, and that the mark of a civilised country and i was very struck today we talk a lot about social media. isabel oakeshott

who perhaps stars down on gb news, i'm not sure which is which her outings for her very doesn't play very brexit and tory and right wing views this broadcast lead that no she's frothing with outrage say oh we a civilised country or are we? and i think this madly and i mean he came across boris johnson was heading peerages and search terms tory seats to shore up his position he's. search terms tory seats to shore up his position he's . a good up his position he's. a good solid nottinghamshire i know those of well and you know bring back hacking bring back the row bnng back hacking bring back the row bring back flogging but i think mr. you know sorry dainty little goldman sachs banker very weak wobbly no connection to the british people think the majority of people certainly where i live in westminster tory see hear a nice nice woman she's come out supporting this man she's going to lose so many votes with the middle class

bankers accountants lawyers think tankers civil servants in westminster presumably rishi sunak. westminster presumably rishi sunak . this is a good way of sunak. this is a good way of having something for everyone. he's very different from lee anderson . he can appeal to one anderson. he can appeal to one type of tory and lee anderson appeal to another type of tory. so i think that the disappointment, a really smart move from rishi sunak and so long as it goes well, it's probably their only chance of doing reasonably in the red wall because lee anderson is very popular demographic popular with that demographic for . and i for obvious reasons. and now i absolutely adore lee anderson. i think that he's wonderful. i agree with him on things. agree with him on most things. so what it for you? i do not agree with him on the death penalty though for the same reasons described. reasons you just described. i don't think that you can ever really fully enough to really be fully sure enough to sentence death, sentence somebody to death, although made the point although he has made the point that in case of, say, someone like the murder of lee, if like the murder of lee, that if something on, you can something is caught on, you can be sure. but for be absolutely sure. but for me, it's that don't think the it's more that i don't think the state should ever have right state should ever have the right to able to do battle. that's

to be able to do battle. that's true. but think ethics of war true. but i think ethics of war are a very difficult thing to punishment in, a domestic sense. but i know i think there are so many things that i agree fundamentally with lee anderson i he really i think that he really understands the working classes, which is my own background, i think that his comments recently also to do with net zero and people being fed up of that and i think that's something you're seeing across the world discontent with the way that net zero policies are actually affecting people's daily lives, particularly when everybody really feeling a squeeze right now. so i think lee anderson is really a man people he really a man of, the people he understands, the base and the red wall, the people who famously conservatives, famously the conservatives, their vote 2019, in a way their vote in 2019, in a way that the rest of the leadership of just don't of the party just simply don't understand. so i it's a fantastic appointment even if i don't with him the don't agree with him on the death penalty. but we shouldn't demonise people in the way i think been people him 30 think he has been people him 30 play think he has been people him 30 play things i think there's play and things i think there's i a lot of that is i think a lot of that is actually just fashioned snobbery. oh there's so

snobbishness from the from parts of left right yes the of the left right yes the conservatives and i say snooty and i must admit i am from north london i was very much very much the oddball out on the dinner party circuit well being, you know the brexit voting conservative and i must say some people be rather snooty about well i mean i read the comment pagesit well i mean i read the comment pages it was full of people like eddie jones and, charles fraser and larry elliott. absolutely. pro—brexit people. but i had to turn for then to the daily telegraph , la toya, in a sense, telegraph, la toya, in a sense, to get some sensible view on on you know, i mean, to go back when neil powell came out, made his racist speech . enoch powell. his racist speech. enoch powell. right. but i'm sorry , history, right. but i'm sorry, history, political history move in cycles. ted heath sacked him on the spot and went on to win the next election . i think mr. sunak next election. i think mr. sunak by sort of saying this guy with

his rather interesting sort of saloon bar jokes and comments , saloon barjokes and comments, you know, people can live three a week if they are still up a day, if they want plus let's bnng day, if they want plus let's bring back hanging. well i am not sure that's to be as popular as you actually on the on the 3030 ppi. that was something nice that he was doing. yeah. he was trying to help local people make cheap with the help of a celebrity local chef, which was rather nice. i'm sorry, but we're going to have to move on. we've out of time. a sad but thank you you've been an absolutely wonderful all political political political panel political commentator and the friend of the show and, also former labour mp minister for europe, mp and minister for europe, dennis mcshane. it was great. thank very indeed. this thank you very much indeed. this is on tv news on tv is real britain on tv news on tv onune is real britain on tv news on tv online digital radio. online and, digital radio. plenty coming up on today's plenty more coming up on today's show. first, take show. but first, let's take a little at the weather little look at the weather forecast hello i'm forecast. hello there. i'm jonathan what do you have the latest weather updates , the met latest weather updates, the met office. are you enjoying weekend? so it has been weekend? so far it has been a fairly settled one for many fairly settled dry one for many of us and is thanks to high

pressure that is centred across continental europe and stretching into the uk . stretching its way into the uk. this weather fronts at bay to the north. there is a bit more of a squeeze in the ice balls across scotland. so it across parts of scotland. so it is here underneath high is breezier here underneath high pressure there is a pressure centre there there is a fair amount and that will fair amount cloud and that will stay us into evening stay with us into the evening and over night a few breaks are possible i particularly possible i think particularly for northeast scotland for parts of northeast scotland into parts wales later on. so into parts of wales later on. so it's here where temperatures will drop down a bit more overnight into the low overnight down into the low single of patchy frost single figures of patchy frost and. some are possible but and. some fog are possible but where onto the cloud for where we hold onto the cloud for the vast majority it will stay frost around to six degrees frost free around to six degrees celsius into tomorrow. the cloud is going to stay place particularly for southeastern areas england. so it will be in of a fairly grey and drab day here . but the breeze picking up here. but the breeze picking up across the western areas will allow a more breaks in that allow a few more breaks in that cloud parts of south—west cloud for parts of south—west england, northern england, wales, northern ireland. i'm to northern areas of england scotland as. of england and scotland as. well, so when you get those and, your breaks and those mild

temperatures degrees temperatures around ten degrees celsius, it be relatively pleasant into the overnight period. we'll to see more of that cloud up. so perhaps an increased of some frost now across parts scotland, northern england as move into the early hours of monday morning and again the risk of some fog patches are possible as well . patches are possible as well. the cloud, though, going to stay in place areas in the southeast as we start the new working week , high pressure keeping things relatively settled, though, throughout monday . but as we throughout monday. but as we move throughout the week, that is going start shifting its is going to start shifting its way to the east and that way off to the east and that will allow some weather fronts to move their from the. to move their way in from the. so the time we get to so by the time we get to wednesday could a bit more wednesday could see a bit more rain across the rain moving in across the western areas. temperatures staying relatively for the time of year that's it for now. enjoy the rest your weekend . join me the rest your weekend. join me camilla tominey. the rest your weekend. join me camilla tominey . at 930 on camilla tominey. at 930 on sunday morning when i'll be speaking. simon mayo, former deputy chief of defence staff about president zelenskyy's

demand british fighter jets. i'll also be asking tory mp tobias ellwood of the defence select committee whether the uk is spending enough on defence and guru joe tanner, former to bofis and guru joe tanner, former to boris johnson will be taking me through the newspaper headlines . all that and more . at. 930 . all that and more. at. 930 tomorrow .

good afternoon and welcome to real britain with me on a tv onune real britain with me on a tv online on digital radio now plenty more coming up this hour. but first, we've got to go to the news with addison . it's

the news with addison. it's 3:00. here's the latest knowsley council in merseyside says the home office gave it less than 48 hours notice last year of its intention to house asylum seekers at a hotel where violent protests broke out on friday. witnesses describe the scene around the suites hotel as being like a war zone to demonstrate it is through missiles and set fire to a police van. three people were arrested on suspicion of violent disorder security has been increased following the incident . following the incident. reinforced fencing and a police presence the shadow home secretary has described the protests shameful and appalling .than protests shameful and appalling . than 2000 migrants have crossed the english channel so far this year. home office figures suggest 110 people made the dangerous journey in three small boats yesterday . there small boats yesterday. there have now been more crossings in 2023 than in january and february last year combined. the office resumed responsibility

for channel crossings in jan following eight months in which the royal navy was in charge the un aid chief, martin griffiths, has warned that the death toll in turkey and syria from monday's earthquakes could . his monday's earthquakes could. his comments come the number of dead in southern turkey and northern syria passed 25,000. despite the conditions have continued to find some survivors in the rubble. but they the window is closing. mr. griffiths says the un will carry out separate aid appeals for both countries in the coming days. appeals for both countries in the coming days . what happened the coming days. what happened here on monday , the epicentre of here on monday, the epicentre of the earthquake was the worst eventin the earthquake was the worst event in 100 years in this region we have a clear plan tomorrow. the next day to give an appeal for a three month operation to help the people of turkey with assistance. and we do some a similar one for the people of syria . one man has

people of syria. one man has died and a second remains in hospital following a double stabbing in east hackney. wick officers were called around 4:30 am. when the victims both their twenties, arrived at a hospital knife wounds. a 26 year old later died from his injuries. forensic teams scouring the white post lane area where the incident took place . so far, no incident took place. so far, no arrests have been made with the search for missing mum nicola. now in its 16th day. her partner says , he wants to keep all says, he wants to keep all opfions says, he wants to keep all options about her disappearance open. options about her disappearance open . paul ansel was speaking to open. paul ansel was speaking to five news lancashire . police say five news lancashire. police say they suspect the mother of two fell into the river. wyre but no trace of her has been and now focusing their search further downstream and out towards the coast. despite this, mr. ansel says his gut instinct tells him she didn't fall into the water for personally, i'm 100% convinced it's not the river. people don't just vanished into thin air. it's absolutely

impossible . so something has impossible. so something has happened. impossible. so something has happened . something has happened happened. something has happened . find out what it is. i want every house, every every outbuilding, every house, every every outbuilding , the land outbuilding, the land scrutinised. i it all searched. i want it all scrutinise every piece of it . british drug dealer piece of it. british drug dealer has been arrested in thailand , a has been arrested in thailand, a five year hunt for. has been arrested in thailand, a five year hunt for . the national five year hunt for. the national crime agency . richard wakelin crime agency. richard wakelin from essex attempted to import £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2016. the 55 year old fled in 2018 before his trial began . he was before his trial began. he was sentenced to 11 years and his absence , he remains in custody absence, he remains in custody in thailand and extradition proceedings are underway . the us proceedings are underway. the us military has shot an unidentified flying over alaska . president joe biden made the decision to bring down the craft , which was around the size of a small car. the ufo, which was

flying 40,000 feet, was considered to be a risk to passenger jets , follows the passenger jets, follows the downing last week , a chinese downing last week, a chinese surveillance balloon which was flying over the us the coronation emblem for king charles and the queen has now been unveiled . it was created by been unveiled. it was created by former apple designer sir jony ive features , an image of st ive features, an image of st edward's crown will be used to crown the monarch and was inspired by the king's love of nature. the emblem also includes the rose of england , the thistle the rose of england, the thistle of scotland, the daffodil of wales and the shamrock of ireland . this is gb news. we'll ireland. this is gb news. we'll bnng ireland. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. and let's get back to real britain . britain. yes, welcome back to real britain and here's what's coming up on the show . the rmt rail up on the show. the rmt rail union has rejected yet another

pay union has rejected yet another pay offer. the body represents train firms on network rail had described the proposals as their best and final. rmt mick lynch branded the offers dreadful , branded the offers dreadful, while the transport secretary called the a kick in the teeth for passengers . will we ever see for passengers. will we ever see an end to strikes and buckingham palace revealed the official logo for king, the third coronation to feature in street parties social media and souvenirs the floral design highlights the optimism spring and reflects the king's love of nature. but questions hang over which names will be on the guest list for the grand event . will list for the grand event. will prince harry get? then later , prince harry get? then later, the number of people killed with knife in england and wales has reached its highest levels since record began, according to the office for national statistics. in england , wales stabbings now in england, wales stabbings now make up about four in ten homicides. what is the way out ? homicides. what is the way out? this crime endemic to stop and search more. stop and search. the answer that's what we're talking about the next hour. talking about for the next hour. i'd get thoughts on i'd love to get your thoughts on all those. please do tweet me all of those. please do tweet me at can email me on

at gb news or can email me on gbviews@gbnews.uk. can watch gbviews@gbnews.uk. you can watch us online and on. stay tuned . us online and on. stay tuned. to the rmt. that's the national union of rail, maritime and transport has rejected yet another pay offer from network rail and train operators, while the tsa union will put them to a vote of members. the proposal a 9% minimum pay increase over two years. but rmt boss mick lynch called it dreadful . the unions called it dreadful. the unions said the rejection came a consultation with its 40,000 rail members. so should the rmt have accepted the offer? and is it right that this industrial dispute will now continue on? joining me is nigel nelson, political editor of the sunday mirror and sunday people and harry, editor of the oldie magazine. thank you very much indeed. i'll start with you, harry, from oldie magazine . it

harry, from oldie magazine. it seems to me mick lynch is playing out his socialist . why playing out his socialist. why is he not putting this offer to members of the union like the tsa did ? i agree. he's holding tsa did? i agree. he's holding us to ransom, but it's not. and i think we, the great travelling british public , should put up british public, should put up with these more strikes. if he's going go to strike more in order to defeat them, because even before these strikes, the rail industry in this country was terrible. if we give them the money and let go back to their previous working , we'll continue previous working, we'll continue with terrible level of rail and we've shown that we can put up with it with inconvenience. i suppose they could train today on a non strike day . it had the on a non strike day. it had the worst was in the english language bus replacement service. so at getting this someone all the way to wales from london the four and a half hour train journey the other day

when they were striking i had take a taxi to gatwick cos t £140 take a taxi to gatwick cost £140 from london. it's agony and people like much older than me like the readers the oldies having a much rougher than i am i we should put up with more strikes if that's what they want in order to defeat them. we can't go on accepting this behaviour from a mick lynch and i think a lot of his members would be happy to accept a 9% pay would be happy to accept a 9% pay well it does still pay deal. well it does still create seems utterly unfair for mick lynch not to put this offer to his members. he says yes, there's been a consultation, etc. when i was debating alex gordon, who's the deputy secretary, i think of the rmt not too long ago and it's very clear that they are this as a tool for wider for a wider agenda, is it not? no, i don't think there's a wider political here. what mick lynch is fighting for is doing some pay and conditions for his members . and conditions for his members. so that's he's kept well away from the politics of it . he

from the politics of it. he doesn't talk about politics. so immigration's. doesn't talk about politics. so immigration's . nigel, nigel, immigration's. nigel, nigel, sorry to interrupt there, nigel, but he does talk about politics. he was on politics. joe saying it's he was on politics. joe saying wsfime he was on politics. joe saying it's time the government stood back, had an election . he does back, had an election. he does get involved in politics. alex himself has admitted he's a massive and wants some kind of socialist revolution. i mean, come off it. well, mick lynch is old labour rather than a marxist or a communist. but what it comes down to is . he had that comes down to is. he had that back in november when the rmt members voted. voted overwhelmingly for strike action . and he has to go back to his members in may if he needs another mandate to do that. so all that is actually in play. so i don't think it's actually reasonable to say he's somehow not following the will of 40,000 members. well, harry, nigel, make a point there it is. after all, mick lynch his job to try

and get good deal for his members, for the railway workers he represents through the union. he's just doing his job, isn't he ? yes, but i do thought he's he? yes, but i do thought he's gone as far as he possibly can go. i mean, i sympathise any rail workers having a tough time , but we all are. and very few of us are being offered a 9% pay deal over the next two years. this is a very rough time for all of us with inflation 10. lots of rail workers, particularly train drivers, not all of them understand a pretty well paid at the moment and there isn't a magic money. the government is massively in debt it can't afford . go out, go on. it can't afford. go out, go on. increasing pay deals because then every other single public service in the country expect the same in wonderful fantasy. then you pay more to match inflation. but that's impossible at the moment. inflation. but that's impossible at the moment . as i said before, at the moment. as i said before, he also wants to hold on to antiquated rail. that mean even when the railways in this

country are supposedly working as they normally do, they're really very, very second rate. so there's got to be a sort of revolution in the way the railways in this country are run. nigel you think the railways should be immune from redundancy ? that's essentially redundancy? that's essentially what mick lynch is for. well no. i mean, he's he's quite prepared to talk about reform and just to take a not really because he doesn't want any redundancies ever. doesn't want any redundancies ever . sorry, i was just doesn't want any redundancies ever. sorry, i was just picking up on harry's point. these are not train drivers any% of rmt are actually train drivers. they belong a different union, which is aslef . so what it comes to is aslef. so what it comes to reform is, yes, he's prepared to talk reforms. however what he's not going to go along with the idea that we'll lose all ticket office staff within next two years, we'll lose guards on trains during that time that will make travelling less safe. it'll mean disabled and elderly people will have a problem at stations. so it is not a

question of actually not talking about redundancy, not talking about redundancy, not talking about reform. it's a question of how that looks and offer on the table. now no improvement than it was , say, last month with it was, say, last month with with their final and last offer, as they called it in january . as they called it in january. we're not talking about % is very we're not talking about% is very frustrating, though, because you talk these changes that could you put safety at risk and ticket office staff needing to stay in their jobs and so stay in theirjobs and so businesses by and large have to innovate and change working practises become streamlined change the way that they work in order to stay relevant for the future seems like when it comes to the railways it doesn't seem to the railways it doesn't seem to be any except hints that you need to move with the times. people rarely use ticket. now that's just the case. well, i'm sorry . my local station more sorry. my local station more people use the ticket office and use the machine largely because the machine often broken and so

. i'm but that part is true . now . i'm but that part is true. now harry just just finish what so you argue that the government just needs to stay with its position. position stick with it, play the long game, and hope that the rmt will essentially give . yeah that's but that's my give. yeah that's but that's my position. and i think even though it's extremely hard for people, for example, to work in my office and have to commute in a lot of the jobs in a magazine like mine can't really be done so well from home but they do do it. they put up with it and tax the technical revenue means journalists a way can a much journalists in a way can a much greater extent work . but we greater extent work. but we don't feel the effect of the way we to , even though it's we used to, even though it's extremely hard on lots of people with lots of financial knock ons . well, so i think we should up with it and get rid of these union dinosaurs. now, just lastly, nigel, i'm picking on you, but you did annoy when you said that they have no political

agenda because even if you agree with the political agenda, they obviously do. that's broader than just pay and conditions in the telegraph of today. and i think elsewhere it was reported that a memo has emerged from the rmt 48 , 450 branch leaders there rmt 48, 450 branch leaders there demanding mick lynch do more to hasten the suppression of the capitalist system by a socialistic order of society. that's the black and white is pretty that those running are trying to bring down capitalism , essentially, is it not? that's not exaggeration. well, i'm sure that they're not great, great signs of capitalism. i mean, i can understand that . and yes, can understand that. and yes, the one thing that they that are certainly mick lynch would say is the railways should be nationalised . and that is a nationalised. and that is a debate. we should be should our essential public services be in pubuc essential public services be in public control ? the problem at public control? the problem at the moment is if you privatise these things, you introduce the

profit motive. so with the railways for instance, there's £400 million going to the operators in profit . wouldn't operators in profit. wouldn't that be better invested in the railway system ? well, we've got railway system? well, we've got a sort of mixed model at the moment here isn't working, that's for sure. thank you very indeed. nigel nelson of the sunday mirror and sunday people and editor of the oldie harry. thank you very much indeed for joining us this afternoon for that poignant debate, i thought. now going on to now we're going to move on to something more sober. well, more very, very heart wrenching, actually the grooming gang scandal which has rocked the country many of the issues behind, have still not been fully addressed . a gb news fully addressed. a gb news investigation is going to do so it to restart a national it seeks to restart a national conversation about this crisis and discover what went wrong. then and what needs to change now . let's have look at a clip now. let's have a look at a clip of the promo video for this documentary tonight at, epa tune in to a gb news documentary as we tell full story of the grooming gang scandal. my

childhood was stolen . we will childhood was stolen. we will expose cover ups that have kept this national under wraps for decades. this national under wraps for decades . not one person is held decades. not one person is held accountable or investigated , accountable or investigated, uncovers the true scale of this outrage. i want to see senior held legally to account on gb news grooming . britain's shane . news grooming. britain's shane. well, i am delighted to say that charlie the gb news documentary filmmaker is with me now in the studio . so charlie, lots to say. studio. so charlie, lots to say. that's a great trailer by the way i'll definitely be watching this evening. i hope many of you at home will, too. why did you the need to make this documentary? first of all, as you said, you're in true national conversation. we never really issue when really one about this issue when the the scandal back in the lid blew the scandal back in 2012, discussion mealy 2012, the discussion mealy mouthed. it was full of political . i mouthed. it was full of political. i don't mouthed. it was full of political . i don't think that political. i don't think that survivors were treated with the respect to care that they need. and i think it's very telling that a decade on nobody can name a survivor from the grooming gang sort of household name

gang as a sort of household name . been . you know nobody's been promoted to these people who've been forced to endure so much suffering. we can think of all sorts other household names sorts of other household names for from some of for other crimes from some of them even british when it them not even british when it comes i believe is the comes to what i believe is the biggest scandal of modern british political history. it hasn't it's just never hasn't happened. it's just never come to the to the fore in the way that other scandals have. so i want to restart conversation and i also want to refer the authorities into where they can have because. a lot of have an effect because. a lot of what happened a decade ago and beyond is still going on today, as we all share tonight in an exclusive , but also response exclusive, but also the response from the authorities at the time was was lacking, think to say the least like i say, woeful and woeful indeed it was well, it's criminal in cases, but criminal in many cases, but there no effort to make there has been no effort to make up for that failure. we are lacking mandatory reporting for people who know about instances of child sexual abuse or exploitation . don't pass it on exploitation. don't pass it on to the authorities . we are to the authorities. we are lacking accountability for pubuc lacking accountability for public servants. in the last two

months i've gone a couple of exclusives gb we've had exclusives at gb news. we've had a who was forced to resign a man who was forced to resign from rotherham council in 2015 over failing to deal the grooming scandal. now in grooming gang scandal. now in the nhs as a diversity manager, we had someone who believed that really does become a diversity manager. it's all slid along without the proper amounts of investigation and that's what gb news intends to set, right. well, i'm terribly sorry, but we're going to have to stop. i that but for anyone is interested and i'm sure many of you at home will be that as at 8 pm. tonight 8 pm. tonight on p.m. tonight 8 pm. tonight on gb news, an hourlong documentary on the grooming scandal. please do for that this evening. do stay for that this evening. now, after the break buckingham palace have revealed the official logo for king charles iii coronation to feature in street parties media and street parties social media and souvenirs, the floral design highlights optimism of highlights the optimism of spnng highlights the optimism of spring and the king's spring and reflects the king's love nature. but questions, of course still hang over which names will actually be the names will actually be on the guest for grand event. guest list for the grand event. first, let's have a look at the news at the web. hello there.

i'm jonathan vautour here with the latest weather update from the latest weather update from the you enjoying the met office. are you enjoying the met office. are you enjoying the far it has been the weekend so far it has been a fairly settled and dry one for many and is to high many of us and that is to high pressure that is centred across continental europe and stretching way into uk, stretching its way into the uk, keeping this weather fronts at bay the north. there is a bit bay to the north. there is a bit of a squeeze in the ice bars across parts of scotland so it is breezier here underneath that high pressure centre though there amount of cloud there is a fair amount of cloud and that stay with us into and that will stay with us into the evening and over a few breaks possible think breaks are possible think particularly for parts of north—east parts north—east scotland into parts of . so it's here of wales later. so it's here where temperatures drop where temperatures will drop down more overnight, down down a bit more overnight, down into the low single figures of patchy and some fog are patchy frost and some fog are possible . but we hold onto possible. but where we hold onto the cloud for the vast majority, it will stay frost around 7 to 6 degrees celsius into tomorrow. the cloud is going to stay in place particularly for southeastern areas of england. so it will be of a fairly and so it will be in of a fairly and drab day here. but the breeze picking up across the western areas will allow a more areas will allow a few more breaks. that cloud parts of

breaks. that cloud for parts of south—west england northern south—west england, northern ireland and to northern areas of england and scotland as so where you get those your those you get those in your and those mild around ten mild temperatures around ten degrees celsius, it will be relatively pleasant into the overnight period will continue to see more of that cloud breaking up so perhaps an increased chance of some frost now across parts of scotland, northern england, as we into the early hours of monday morning . early hours of monday morning. again, the risk of some fog patches possible as well . the patches possible as well. the cloud, though, going to stay in place for areas in the southeast as start off new working as we start off the new working week high pressure keeping things relatively though throughout monday as we move throughout monday as we move throughout the week that going to start shifting its way to to start shifting its way off to east that will allow some east and that will allow some weather their way weather fronts to move their way in the west. by the time we in from the west. by the time we get wednesday, we could see get to wednesday, we could see a bit more rain moving in across the western areas. but temperatures staying relatively mild. year . temperatures staying relatively mild. year. that's mild. the time of year. that's it for now. enjoy the rest of weekend .

yes welcome back. this is real britain on gb news tv, online and digital radio. now buckingham palace have unveiled a coronation emblem inspired by the king's love of nature and the king's love of nature and the happy optimism of spring. there is also much talk over who will and who won't make the official guest lists a public ballot also opened yesterday , ballot also opened yesterday, 10,000 free tickets for a star studded concert at windsor castle . mark this historic day . castle. mark this historic day. joining me now to discuss this is former royal correspondent at the sun , charles ray. now don't the sun, charles ray. now don't mean to be to be rude, but should i be excited about this emblem ? well well , think the emblem? well well, think the emblem? well well, think the emblem is lovely. i'm that it's the emblem that's going to be on all it's going to go with all the mentioned ties distributed on social media. it's going to

be the main thing going to attract people's attention . now, attract people's attention. now, this has been designed , this emblem has been designed, johnny. i know. this emblem has been designed, johnny. i know . you may not know johnny. i know. you may not know him. it's may not be recognisable, but you will know that he is the former chief designer officer at apple and he's designed all the gadgets and the and that's been a bit of and the and that's been a bit of a success. and i suspect this will be a bit of a success as well. it is actually, i'm looking at it on the screen right now and it is it is nice. i can i can picture it on tea towels up and down the on mugs and other crockery, perhaps i can imagine it on this day everywhere it will be everywhere. it will be everywhere. it will be everywhere. now coming on to the juicy bit , everywhere. now coming on to the juicy bit, which is the guest list, the guest list, who's going to be there? who's not going to be there? who's not going to be there? who's not going to be the dare i mention harry and meghan. well, yes, of course. you did mention . course. you did mention. british. hi, meghan. because they're the ones everybody wants to if they're coming . i to know if they're coming. i think be inconceivable think it would be inconceivable for them not to be invited . the for them not to be invited. the big question course is will they

come ? they both come or will come? they both come or will only harry come. this is something we don't know. the guest list will actually go or the invitations actually go out next month. we've only got and a half months left to go to the coronation . there is an argument coronation. there is an argument that says harry and meghan should be there . that is also an should be there. that is also an argument says they shouldn't be there because of what's happened in past, the continual sniping and other members of . the and other members of. the family, of course , is also a family, of course, is also a suggestion that only harry will come. and let's not forget that , meghan has a perfect excuse not to turn up because on the same day it is the fourth best day of little archie. so it may well be that she'll stay behind and enjoy the celebrations with her son, but is a thorn in the subject about think the king once has sun to be there because is his son. he also wants to be there because he is going to be king. it is a big thing it's a

big event for britain and, you know, he should be. yes, i think lot of people would be disappointed if. lot of people would be disappointed if . prince harry, disappointed if. prince harry, at least didn't turn up, although others might prefer he didn't . am i right in thinking didn't. am i right in thinking if i dare say that, too? am i right in thinking that meghan has been a little quiet ? is she has been a little quiet? is she having a bit of a period of reflection following all the furore over her husband's book and all the media interviews he's been doing? well, she has been a bit, but let's not forget, she's also she's being sued by her half sister as well . oh yes. it's a cute piece . her . oh yes. it's a cute piece. her half sister weren't . oh yes. it's a cute piece. her half sister weren' t £75,000 for half sister weren't £75,000 for things that were said about the family the markle family in not dreadful oprah winfrey interview. so it's not all yet. thatis interview. so it's not all yet. that is up that both harry and

meghan will have to be deposed by the court to give evidence to fight this defamation. there's also a possibility that it'll be thrown out at the end of the day. but at the moment, this is a couple i've got basically season ticket. yeah what about. well, so . so you don't think she well, so. so you don't think she she's not having a period of reflection? probably up for what's coming next? i don't think she is, emily. i just that it was hardy's game if you like. yeah with the book and the interviews he was on board doing , there wasn't any need for meghan to get involved. and if she had done what would have happened it would have been meltdown in the newspapers and on the media and maybe it maybe charles she was being a good wife letting her husband take limelight. oh i'm sorry. go but if you look above you, emily you'll see another pig fly by. oh, yes, there it is . there it oh, yes, there it is. there it is.thank oh, yes, there it is. there it is. thank you very much,

charles. we'll have to finish, though. that was former royal correspondent the sun charles ray keeping us up to date on everything that's going in the royal family. you are of course with gb news on tv and dab after the break. the number people killed with a knife england . killed with a knife in england. wales its highest wales has reached its highest level records level since records began. according to owners in england and wales, stabbings now make up about four in ten homicides. what is the way out of this crime endemic ? we'll be debating crime endemic? we'll be debating that. now it's time for a check on news headlines with on the news headlines with tatiana sanchez . emily, thank tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you. good afternoon. this the latest from the gb newsroom merseyside police say they've arrested 15 people aged between 13 and 54 following the violent protest outside a hotel housing asylum seekers in knowsley on friday night. asylum seekers in knowsley on friday night . witnesses friday night. witnesses described the scene the suites hotel as being like a war zone as demonstrators missiles and

set fire to a police van more than 2000 migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yeah the english channel so far this year. that's according to the home office figures. 110 people made the dangerous journey in three small boats yesterday. there have now been more crossings in 2023 than in january and february of 2022 combined . u.n. aid chief martin combined. u.n. aid chief martin griffiths is warning that the death toll in turkey and syria from monday's earthquakes could double. his comments come as the number of confirmed dead has now passed 25,000, despite the conditions. rescuers have continued to find some survivors in the rubble , but they say the in the rubble, but they say the window is now closing as. the search for missing a mother of two, nicola bailey, can 16 days since her disappearance partner says it's gut instinct tells them she did not fall into the

river wyre who mansoor was speaking to five news. lancashire police say the suspect say they suspect. the mother of two fell into the river. but no trace of her has been found. they're now focusing their search further downstream and out towards the coast . a and out towards the coast. a british drug dealer has been arrested in thailand after a five year hunt by the national crime . richard wakeling essex crime. richard wakeling essex attempted to import crime. richard wakeling essex attempted to import £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2016. the 55 year old fled in 2008 before his trial began and was sentenced to 11 years. in his absence to tv onune years. in his absence to tv online and the abbey plus radio, stephen is .

welcome back. this is real britain me emily carver on gb news on a tv, online and radio . news on a tv, online and radio. on to some football news . on to some football news. several premier league clubs have privately themselves from the proposed new version of the european super league . five european super league. five clubs have indicated they want no in the esl, but the senior exec from a london team describing the latest push as all hot air. sports broadcaster and journalist aidan magee joins me now . so football's most me now. so football's most divisive project is back with a bang. well, i was right in the thick of it, emily, back in april 20, 21, i was at chelsea. the announcement we made in the morning by real madrid, the president florentino perez saying that the intention was the six teams would break away. so the teams in the three or four big leagues around europe . four big leagues around europe. so i thought , four big leagues around europe. so i thought, you four big leagues around europe. so i thought , you know, maybe so i thought, you know, maybe it's serious. he's going to it's happened.the it's serious. he's going to it's happened. the threat for years ever since was a child was that one day the big clubs would break and they'll take their ball going to play ball when they're going to play amongst the amongst themselves stuff. the rest you now it was a real

rest of you now it was a real threat because clubs outside of that commercial is in that the commercial value is in those they need to be those big clubs they need to be the big clubs in order to increase their income. they've got as well. got a television deal as well. so slice of it. so everyone gets slice of it. but was pure greed, but it was just pure greed, really. basically say, really. it was basically say, look, the deal is already very, very lucrative, but even more very lucrative, but we even more of they pushed away. now, of it. so they pushed away. now, i chelsea. there were no i was at chelsea. there were no crowds, crowd. and crowds, there was no crowd. and that's that don't know, because we're still in midst of we're still in the midst of covid of playing brighton. covid of the playing brighton. and can be a and i was told this can be a i won't. yeah right. chelsea fans be people holding be three three people holding a sandwich board, you know. and so i and then what was i was there and then what was wrong within an hour of wrong because within an hour of a swamped the place was mobbed. don't fans weren't don't forget, fans weren't even allowed. actually allowed. well, they're actually engaging activities engaging in illegal activities a few if the fan has few days. and if the fan has caused this project, i didn't know of course it they know that then of course it they don't i on them on don't want it but i on them on the belief chelsea the mistaken belief that chelsea fans might benefit fans because it might benefit chelsea they wanted of chelsea because they wanted of breakaway i thought well breakaway cause i thought well they're see much of they're not going to see much of a about maybe they won't a fuss about it maybe they won't play a fuss about it maybe they won't play away on saturday play events away on a saturday so all these turned up and so all these fans turned up and inever so all these fans turned up and i never i'd never anything

i never i'd never seen anything like was incredible to like it. it was incredible to the ferocity protest. and the ferocity of the protest. and what is you don't what it means is you don't domestic games of course you play domestic games of course you play european someone held hold a out a is something like out of a banner we our banner saying we want our tuesday night to sit back. why is this idea been in the is this idea been left in the dustbin? i don't was dustbin? because i don't i was never convinced given given that the top six clubs in england pulled from it within 36 pulled away from it within 36 hours, capitulates hours, i literally capitulates it never seen it like you've never seen before. european clubs before. the european clubs of which italy would which spain italy would be crucial components of that. they don't deal, they don't get the tv deal, they haven't arranged the tv rights the way the premier league has. so get the slice of the so i don't get the slice of the pie they sign big players pie when they sign big players it's from it's because i poured from a bank they pay it bank account, they pay it back through so want it more through the so they want it more than the premier league clubs do.the than the premier league clubs do. the issue is pr so i was explaining to you the break the pr it last time pr around it last time was terrible they've got terrible this time they've got a pr, got a pr company pr, they've got a pr company involved in spain, but it's been up in madrid, so you guess up in madrid, so you can guess who's it. it's real who's behind it. it's real madrid. want to madrid. they want this to happen. i was actually happen. i was told, actually even 20 months ago when i was covering the story this go away, this back. i thought this will come back. i thought that's right. again, as

that's not right. but again, as usual was wrong has back usual was wrong has come back this it was this time though emily it was laughed a lot out of court this week court literally week go out of court literally but you know last lot out of the court public opinion they court of public opinion they just the over here just thought the fans over here realise know if we realise that you know if we protest like we did time protest like we did last time it's to happen. but it's not going to happen. but does mean game over it does that mean it's game over it doesn't is it going to keep recurring, keep well they've they've modified they've modified they've they've modified they've mod ohd they've they've modified they've mod ohd will they've they've modified they've mod ohd will have they've they've modified they've mod ohd will have it they've they've modified they've mod ohd will have it is1ey've they've modified they've mod ohd will have it is going said oh we will have it is going to be closed. i keep you all around you're around court for here. you're not going going to get not going you're going to get into your small you don't generate enough money. right. so but to having but now they're saying to having promotion but now they're saying to having promotgoing be 80 teams. so teams going to be 80 teams. so but it don't but that's what it said, don't say going to be in it, say who's going to be in it, who's to invited, what the who's going to invited, what the criteria and. it was criteria would be and. so it was very and if the pr was very muddled and if the pr was if it to improve pr, they if it was to improve pr, they actually muddied even actually muddied the waters even further. are not behind further. so fans are not behind this haven't fans this and if you haven't got fans body, got customer body, you haven't got customer behind and this the behind it. and this isn't the same boots with same as boots merging with superdrug and everyone superdrug and fans and everyone going same shop fans are going to the same shop fans are different. buying different. is this like buying a newspaper? give up newspaper? my dad didn't give up the sunday express until been thinking about it for a year until the on

until he finally the mail on sunday. so the that's sunday. so that's the that's that's about here. that's what it's all about here. this an emotional this is this is an emotional attachment. this is an investment time, investment of money, time, everything. don't everything. and i don't think once, fans decided once, once fans have decided that they don't want to be part of it's difficult of something it's difficult change there change their mind. well there you keep eye out to you go i'll keep an eye out to see actually takes see this thing actually takes off will off is actually happened it will resurface but resurface at some point but you know they're making know what they're already making actually it's actually the premier league it's utter there utter utter greed. well, there you utter greed you go. it is utter greed probably let know probably most likely. let know what thank probably most likely. let know whavery thank probably most likely. let know whavery indeed. thank probably most likely. let know whavery indeed. sports: you very much indeed. sports broadcaster aidan broadcaster journalist aidan magee with me in the studio now, going to be moving to on a wildlife and sanctuary going to be moving to on a wildsaid and sanctuary going to be moving to on a wildsaid it's and sanctuary going to be moving to on a wildsaid it's strugglinginctuary going to be moving to on a wildsaid it's struggling due ary going to be moving to on a wildsaid it's struggling due the has said it's struggling due the cost living crisis. the north cost of living crisis. the north london says suffered london charity says it suffered huge during the huge losses during the pandemic and with visitor numbers falling and with visitor numbers falling and of animal rising, it's and cost of animal rising, it's now fearful its future. gb news london reporter lisa hartl bnngs london reporter lisa hartl brings us this report , who the brings us this report, who the wildlife rescue ambulance service has been open 22 years based in trent park, north london, wild animals and abandoned pets are nursed back to health and those that can't be released back into wild or rehomed. a home is where there

is room. since covid are now the cost living. that's done it again. we've had to shut the shop two times a week because it can't afford . to pay someone to can't afford. to pay someone to work out there and footfall has gone down anyway. so of course the centres not making any money. the charity on donations, the brought in from visitors paying the brought in from visitors paying visit the animal sanctuary and cafe. but since the cost of crisis, the charity has struggled . not quite sure has struggled. not quite sure how much it cost the moment, but a year it cost us two to run this centre. a year it cost us two to run this centre . £174 with the calls this centre. £174 with the calls that all day long they'll get worse as spring and summer. so there's more workload. we could take in so much more if we add more space, but we have to look upon the costs. you can only deal with what you need. we've got space for what? you've got the money to deal with. we've noficed the money to deal with. we've noticed a drop in the footfall for the moment. but the noticed a drop in the footfall for the moment . but the people for the moment. but the people are not spending much are not spending so much and people not using the centre so

much because of cost and donations have dropped. people cancelled direct debits and because they can't afford to do it anymore. so there's been a drop in around and costs have gone up . so at the moment gone up. so at the moment i think a lot of charities what i see, but looking at other charities, we're all concerned about what's going to happen . about what's going to happen. june and barry, who were awarded an mba for their charity work, also have volunteers here to stand next to barry for an hour or two and see how many times phone rings with people . i've phone rings with people. i've got animals that need help and it's just constant . just it's just constant. just constant. so i'm absolutely vital. and else an awful lot of animals for who wouldn't survive. it's hoped that the number of people visiting sanctuary pick up during the summer so that june and barry continue their dedication to the lives of animals. lisa hartl.

continue their dedication to the lives of animals. lisa hartl . gb lives of animals. lisa hartl. gb news such sweet as a lot of old people are nice. there are good people are nice. there are good people out there who want to look after animals. very sweet indeed. look after animals. very sweet indeed . now we've got a bit of a indeed. now we've got a bit of a gear change here. actually, the number of people killed a knife in england and wales has its highest level since records began, according office began, according to the office national statistics, there were 282 homicide kids committed with a knife in the year to march 20, 22 and 19% increase on the previous 12 months. in england and wales now make up about four in ten homicides comprising murder, manslaughter and infanticide . joining murder, manslaughter and infanticide .joining me murder, manslaughter and infanticide . joining me now to infanticide. joining me now to discuss this is former youth intervention officer and writer nick buckley and the chair of the haringey independent and search monitoring group, ken here in the studio. thank very much indeed , ken. there have much indeed, ken. there have been calls for more stop and search is that answer? definitely not. don't get me. stop and search a place. but the place not for taking knives and

guns off street. because if that was the case, my thing is simply why is it consistently less than 5% a month of stop and search ? 5% a month of stop and search? takes the knives and guns high street people say one knife of a street people say one knife of a street is a result. but when you think about 95% of people who are stopped and haven't got a knife in them is the damage that could be done . those young could be done. those young people, we call it being stopped and scarred. the very same and scarred. so the very same people you can get the intel people who you can get the intel in your now make them in your now actually make them more or less to come and give you the intel that you need. and people would ask that that's you know if it if it stops one death, if stops fatal death, if it stops fatal stabbing , then it's worth it, stabbing, then it's worth it, even if it does offend people . even if it does offend people. well, i can say just simply this what i'm across from a group called communities against violence , and we end up taking violence, and we end up taking more nights off our streets. and the difference between when we more nights off our streets. and take a knife off a street of a youngster, they're less likely to and we themselves, to go. and we armed themselves, as when the police as opposed to when the police take it off offer of a

take it off the offer of a youngster, when the youngster, because when the police a young to police take it off a young to and telling he's he's and be telling me he's he's carrying to safeguard carrying it because to safeguard himself. so that's dealing with the underlying issue . and the the underlying issue. and the simple fact is he told me they must be caught. the simple fact is he told me they must be caught . the police with must be caught. the police with a knife, they'd be caught by the opposition whip out because one would being judged by 12 of would mean being judged by 12 of his peers and other means his peers and the other means coming to his grave by six. that's the we've got. nick well , what do you think? i was speaking to norman brennan yesterday. police yesterday. he's a retired police officer. he said we need tougher penalties more. stop and penalties and more. stop and search. so quite different from what was saying that ken has some good points . what was saying that ken has some good points. i'll just points in a minute. he's not wrong. and that's why he said there we need we need to identify what the problem is. we called knife crime. and all of a sudden , new stats have just sudden, new stats have just shown it's not all about crime on the streets. so some of that will be domestic. some of it will be domestic. some of it will be domestic. some of it will be in fantasised killing your children . so it depends your own children. so it depends what. part of knife crime. we're looking at the moment, we're talking knife crime on the

talking about knife crime on the streets, which everyone's afraid of, and rightly so. we need to look prevention, early look at prevention, early intervention shouldn't intervention. shouldn't an enforcement enforcement is the bit that we're not doing any more now so stop search has been dramatically reduced so at the same time knife crime is dramatically shot up it gets political and when talk about stop and search but the answer this is to go back to the people that live in those areas . i'm a that live in those areas. i'm a big believer in giving the power back to the people that live in those areas and say to them in this area . here's your standard this area. here's your standard on knife crime and offences on the streets. do you want more stop and do you want the police to stop more of your young children, of your who here children, of your who live here to stopped and search and we take on board of what those local communities say. now going back to sort of points can set . back to sort of points can set. he's right . when you start he's right. when you start putting searching young people it's not nice . they feel it's not nice. they feel slighted . he's also correct is ,

slighted. he's also correct is, also correct when he says a young person would rather be caught by the police . a knife caught by the police. a knife doesn't get caught by the of gang without a knife . and is gang without a knife. and is that how do we address this ? we that how do we address this? we address this by making everybody understands that the risk of you getting on the streets with a knife is extremely likely . knife is extremely likely. that's how we stop. people carry a knife ten. i saw you shaking . a knife ten. i saw you shaking. shaking your head there. what did want to come back on when you said you've given it to the residents to? tell them what they want to do. they want more stop and search, of course, to so but i'll tell you what i don't see those residents on the ground and interact ground we work in and interact with the people. but what with the young people. but what i see is that they're i do see is that they're complaining all the time. they see youngsters, see a group of youngsters, they're gang. they're calling them a gang. and these just maybe these youngsters are just maybe just school meeting just after school meeting outside chicken. all outside the chicken. and all that is excite that is doing is being excite trouble and they're causing trouble and they're not causing a . my thing simply a problem. my thing is simply this why those the group we are doing on the ground is that we're showing them kindness and interactivity them and giving them positive activities that

take them away from the drug dealers and make them more likely to come and engage with us. my thing is, stick with this. we've also had pay with covid, which means people have been away for a long time been locked away for a long time . got this thing . and we've also got this thing about where with about where people with two parents juggling whether parents now are juggling whether to gas and electric as a to pay the gas and electric as a as opposed to put bread on the table. so when we've these things going on, we can't go in there and have a plan . at the there and have a plan. at the same, we can arrest our way. but it's not going to happen and it's not going to happen and it's not going to happen and it's not going to work. been it's not going to work. has been tried to, know, tried for years to, you know, work in. no way it. we need work in. no way with it. we need more transparency see on stop and that's what we know and search. that's what we know accountability . don't tell us accountability. don't tell us that. stop and search is great for x, y and z but you for doing x, y and z but you can't it up the figures can't back it up the figures don't back it up. well, nic , do don't back it up. well, nic, do you do you what do you make you what do you what do you make of that? a lot of people who are former working former police officers working police officers say stop and search does work. they get knives out of people's hands mostly young men surely then,

you know, it's one of those things that has to be done stopping such tools . if you look stopping such tools. if you look at the stats , mean theresa may at the stats, mean theresa may introduced her policy of heavily reducing stop and search the following year to today so she stopped it in chief reduced it in about 2012 so it kicked in about 2013 from 2013 to date . about 2013 from 2013 to date. knife crime has consistently every single year dramatically and that's a direct result of reducing stop and search . they reducing stop and search. they are correlated, they are connected to stop and search isn't the only tool we should use. it's not we have problem. let's go on the streets . stop let's go on the streets. stop and search everybody. it's tool that we have. we need, education and early intervention . we need and early intervention. we need young people understanding . the young people understanding. the consequences of action and something we don't do in neighbourhoods is when we catch somebody with a knife and we prosecute them . that name and prosecute them. that name and that picture be plastered all over the av saying this is what happens , you cut when we catch happens, you cut when we catch

you with a knife this is what happens because at the moment young people will i work don't even know police stop people in searching for knives. can you can can you imagine if can you can you imagine if a young person's face a of because he'd been carrying a knife you're you to make him more a target for others to step up and say well we know that he's carrying a knife so if i'm going to any of conflict to have any kind of conflict with going to up with i'm going to stab him up first give chance first before give him a chance to knife. you're to take out his knife. you're putting more. that is a putting them more. that is a good point . but it's often good point. but also it's often said debate comes down to said this debate comes down to whether think, stop and whether people think, stop and search is racist . if you look at search is racist. if you look at towns like london, unfortunately you're more likely nine times if you're more likely nine times if you're a young black man and also more likely be a perpetrator. so surely if you're going to stop and search the people, it may well be that you end up stopping more black, young men than and young black men may be offended. innocent black innocent black men will be offended . and i can't imagine offended. and i can't imagine what it's like being stopped and searched. i know. i hate it, but

surely it's a price worth paying. and if it stops people dying. personally, i. but one thing i'll agree with if we do tougher because i'm fed up that when these young people do get caught but to get slap on the wrist and then so therefore that emboldens them and not only emboldens them and not only emboldens but their emboldens them but their friends. that if now friends. i believe that if now for every into the night that you're if he's been given a you're cool if he's been given a year and forget parole in year and let's forget parole in that . i to be that situation. so i want to be tough but let's be tough. tough on it, but let's be tough. and would make an imprint and that would make an imprint straight . but i definitely straight away. but i definitely think if we're not going do think if we're not going to do so let's look at other avenues to how we can better engage to say how we can better engage deaung dealing with the emotional trauma that a lot of us is carrying and, giving them some sort tools to actually sort of tools to actually recognise that trauma and to stop escalated into that stop it from escalated into that red mess. and i think it's worth noting and this is something a lot of people will also raise when we're about issue when we're about the issue of knife crime , the problem of knife crime, the problem of family , problem of family breakdown, problem of a deprivation problem , not having deprivation problem, not having a support system at home. if you've got that, you're highly

unlikely to go out and carry a knife all those things have a connection to this . fabulousness connection to this. fabulousness is the problem we have in the uk. it's at the heart of all our social problems and a lack of fathers in the home and poverty no, i reject . poverty has much no, i reject. poverty has much to do with knife crime and crime in general because you can find lots of pockets of poor people who don't commit crime . and if who don't commit crime. and if we're looking at the race angle, tony doesn't help though . it's tony doesn't help though. it's a probably doesn't help that it lots of thing don't help tv's social media does not help and i've checked out that that connected and it's family breakdown it's living in an area that has no aspiration life surrounded criminality where you see no future where it seems to a normal way of life and failing

education and you're not getting the guidance at home all these things create poor citizens they all don't go into crime and all don't go into knife. but it's not the best start to life. no, it's not the sort prevention and early intervention needs to be handung early intervention needs to be handling that. yeah, i completely agree with you. thank you indeed. we're you very much indeed. we're going to have to end the conversation that nick conversation there and that nick buckley and, the chair of the harrogate independent and search monitoring group, ken with us, thank you very much indeed for coming in to discuss that. now we are going be moving on to our final story . this is a funny final story. this is a funny one. jeremy corbyn. this week called for an end the to child limit on let's have a look at what he had to say years ago a two child policy was introduced on benefits many of us were concerned about that and remain concerned about that and remain concerned it those of us that represent our constituents with a considerable number of very large they suffer badly and a

two child policy on the on the benefit cap obviously disproportionately on largest and poorest in our society. and when the minister comes to reply, i'll be grateful if you could answer this point where is the morality in that the third force or fifth child of a family is less important than the first or second child of any family. well, you may be asking . why on well, you may be asking. why on earth are we showing you a clip of jeremy corbyn? but this is something that others are talking about think tanks, other labour politicians . and of labour politicians. and of course got an election course we've got an election coming point. this coming up some point. so this policy change. now you policy could change. now you know, the history of this two child limit on benefits , was it child limit on benefits, was it david cameron who changed? yes, i'm pretty sure it was david in around 2009, just before the election and the argument obviously during the period of the 2000s and into the early 20 tens, it was quite a high rate of teenage pregnancy. yes, there was a big campaign.

of teenage pregnancy. yes, there was a big campaign . bring that was a big campaign. bring that down. there is an argument down. but there is an argument now that the pendulum has too far the way. and what are far the other way. and what are seeing both in this country and across huge swathes of europe really what's known as a baby really is what's known as a baby bust not reaching bust. we're not reaching replacement of children, meaning there's a danger that in the future we have a situation where there aren't enough working age people to support our pensioners . and we know that obviously life expectancy is going way up. so it isn't just the jeremy corbyn's the world who are advocating change to policies like this. there an argument even on the right of conservative party that any policy that promotes fertility, that promotes people having more women having more children should be encouraged. and one of those obviously is scrapping the limit the benefits limit on big families . limit the benefits limit on big families. that said, of limit the benefits limit on big families . that said, of course, families. that said, of course, there are those who say that if you can't afford to have your own children, then should the state pay for them. so i say only divides conservatives , only divides conservatives,

actually. course, the actually. and of course, the left that you know left who would that you know benefits probably a good benefits are probably a good thing young families but thing for young families but just very quick where do you think the would fall on this do you think he'd say you we should he talked about family so much in his first speech as prime minister didn't he? but it doesn't seem like rising costs, rising cost of living, etc. cetera is good. no. and very interestingly he scraps the proposed to child care from liz truss would have made it easier for ordinary families to bring children. i would expect that rishi sunak, who's pretty keen on fiscal prudence and keeping the costings tight, would keep the costings tight, would keep the two child benefit at the second. thank you very much. i'm sorry we have to finish there. you have been watching real britain with me. i'm going call. but olivia utley , our but that was olivia utley, our fabulous reporter. fabulous political reporter. thank very much for your thank very much indeed for your company. this afternoon. don't worry. it's for 2 hours worry. next up, it's for 2 hours of news and views and feisty debate. but first, let's get the weather . hello there. debate. but first, let's get the weather. hello there. i'm jonathan boccieri here with the

latest weather updates , the met latest weather updates, the met office. have you been during the weekend so far? it has been a fairly settled and dry one for many of us. and that is thanks to that centred to high pressure that is centred across europe across continental europe and stretching its way into the uk, keeping those fronts at bay to the there is a bit more of a squeeze in the ice bars across parts of scotland. so it is breezier here underneath, that high though, high pressure centre, though, there of cloud high pressure centre, though, therthat of cloud high pressure centre, though, therthat will of cloud high pressure centre, though, therthat will stay of cloud high pressure centre, though, therthat will stay with )f cloud high pressure centre, though, therthat will stay with us:loud high pressure centre, though, therthat will stay with us into and that will stay with us into the evening and over nights few breaks are possible. i think particularly for parts of northeast into parts of northeast scotland into parts of wales on. so it's here wales later on. so it's here where temperatures will drop down more overnight down a bit more overnight down into single figures of into the low single figures of patchy frost and some fog are possible. but where we hold the cloud for vast majority will cloud for the vast majority will stay frost free around 7 to 6 degrees celsius into tomorrow. the cloud is going to stay in place, particularly for southeastern areas of england. so it will be in of a fairly grey and drab day here. but the breeze picking across some western areas will allow a few more in that cloud . parts more breaks in that cloud. parts of south—west england, wales ,

of south—west england, wales, northern ireland and into northern of england northern areas of england and scotland well. so you get scotland as well. so you get those your breaks and. those than your breaks and. those mild temperatures around ten degrees it will be ten degrees celsius. it will be relatively pleasant into the overnight period. we'll continue to see of that cloud breaking up. so an increased chance of some frost now across parts of scotland , northern england, as scotland, northern england, as we move into the early hours of monday morning. and again, the risk fog patches are risk of some fog patches are possible as well. the cloud though going to stay in place for areas in the southeast as we start off the new working week high pressure things relatively settled throughout monday settled down throughout monday but as move the week that is but as we move the week that is going to start shifting its way to the east and that will allow some weather fronts to move their west. so their way in from the west. so by time get to wednesday by the time we get to wednesday , see a more rain , we could see a bit more rain moving western moving in across the western areas . but temperatures staying areas. but temperatures staying relatively mild for the time of year. relatively mild for the time of year . that's relatively mild for the time of year. that's it for relatively mild for the time of year . that's it for now. enjoy year. that's it for now. enjoy the rest of your weekend .

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