afternoon. and welcome to gb views tv online and on digital . views tv online and on digital. i'm not aware of the next 2 hours. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs and of course, yours will be debating. discussing that. thanks. will disagree, but no thanks. we will disagree, but no one be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcasting columnist lizzie cundy. also and political commentator sam dowler. before we get started, let's get your latest . nana. let's get your latest. nana. thank you. good afternoon . i'm thank you. good afternoon. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. merseyside police have arrested 15 people aged between

13 and 54 following violent protests . a hotel housing asylum protests. a hotel housing asylum seekers in knowsley on friday night . witnesses described the night. witnesses described the scene around the suites hotel as being like a warzone as demonstrate rioters threw missiles and set fire to a police van. police the violence, which has been condemned by politicians, left an officer and two members of the public with injuries secured . he has been injuries secured. he has been increased following the incident with reinforced fencing and a police presence . more 2000 police presence. more 2000 migrants have crossed the engush migrants have crossed the english channel so far this yeah english channel so far this year. home office figures suggest 110 people made the dangerous journey . three small dangerous journey. three small boats yesterday they've now they've not been more crossings than 2023 than in january. unfed of last year combined . the home of last year combined. the home office resumed for channel crossings january following eight months in which the royal navy in charge . the unhcr chief,

navy in charge. the unhcr chief, martin griffiths, has warned that the death toll in turkey and syria monday's earthquakes could double. his comments come as the number of dead in southern turkey . northern syria southern turkey. northern syria has now passed 25,000, despite the conditions rescuers continue to find some survivors in the rubble. but they say the window is closing. mr. griffiths says the un carry out separate aid appeals turkey in syria in the coming . what happened here on coming. what happened here on monday the epicentre of the earthquake . it was the worst earthquake. it was the worst eventin earthquake. it was the worst event in 100 years in this region we have a clear plan tomorrow. the next day to give an appeal for a three month operation to help the people of turkey with assistance. and we do some a similar one for the people of syria . a man has died people of syria. a man has died and a second remains in hospital following a double stabbing in east london . officers were

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has happened. find out what it is. i want every house, every garage, every outbuilding , the garage, every outbuilding, the land scrutinised. i want it all searched. i want it all scrutinised every piece of it . a scrutinised every piece of it. a british drug dealer has been arrested in thailand after a five year hunt by the national crime agency . richard wakeling crime agency. richard wakeling from ethics to import, crime agency. richard wakeling from ethics to import , £8 from ethics to import, £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2006. the 55 year old fled in 2018 before his trial began and was sentenced to 11 years in his absence. remains in custody in thailand and extradition proceedings are underway in the us military has shut down an unidentified object flying over alaska . president joe biden the alaska. president joe biden the decision to bring down craft which is the size of a small . which is the size of a small. the ufo which was flying at 40,000 feet was considered a risk to passenger jets . it

risk to passengerjets. it follows the downing last week of , a chinese surveillance balloon which was flying over the united states states . an arrest has states states. an arrest has been made . a protest at a drag been made. a protest at a drag queens storytelling event for children , london's tate britain. children, london's tate britain. police say the person in custody is suspected of making a aggravated comment towards an officer. the protest out after far right demonstrators clashed with a group of demonstrators who gathered to support the event. who gathered to support the event . those opposed to the event. those opposed to the storytelling were heard shouting no drag. four kids and leave our kids alone . the coronation kids alone. the coronation emblem for king charles and the queen consort has now been unveiled. was created by former apple designer jony ive . it apple designerjony ive. it features an image of st edward's crown, which be used to crown the monarch and was by the king's love of . the emblem also king's love of. the emblem also the rose of england. the thistle of scotland. the daffodil of

wales. and the shamrock of northern ireland. this is a gb news will bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to nana akua . nana akua. hello afternoon, this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm not quitter. on tv online and on digital radio. i'm not quitter . well radio. i'm not quitter. well sick to my back to this gender minefield . i mean this minefield. i mean this non—binary ridiculousness. i mean, take for example, the situation with susanna reid and of course was his face some sam smith was on and unfortunately richard made the mistake of calling sam a him and his corrected bias is that he said no it's they i there's only one of them there's only one of him isn't there. but apparently this non—binary nonsense which i've come to understand, is the

reason called non—binary, because plural , because the because it's plural, because the person is both male and they, which , in my view, a bit which is, in my view, a bit ridiculous because every human being earth is made up being on this earth is made up by male female i.e. the egg by male and female i.e. the egg and sperm . but why.7 why, oh, why and sperm. but why.7 why, oh, why is that this obsession? so and sperm. but why? why, oh, why is that this obsession? so the other day, the question being asked was whether god is non—binary . really? does it non—binary. really? does it matter truly god is in your head , is whatever you want it to be. the discussion was whether we now need to change the words and use non—binary terms or i mean androgynous is not the word that we had anyway. why are they coming up with this so certain perhaps be updated like father them i need some organ music . them i need some organ music. actually my producer natalie, she plays the organ . can you she plays the organ. can you strum of a few chords together ? strum of a few chords together? i'll go . oh, they, i'll give it a go. oh, they, they all of that now them all they all of that now them all they are two and have no word be they are two and have no word be they name . exactly to be there.

they name. exactly to be there. i think the church thing and there's a lot more to deal with than whether or god is known like historical child abuse and its acceptance of lgbt its lack acceptance of lgbt people rather than addressing whether or not god is non—binary, perhaps it could actually the question of a court occasion jesus which, given back story, doesn't really make much sense, is a date are now what 78 gender pronouns at the last i think a little while ago when i counted it was 76 you got is there is there's themself themselves this move i mean so they've just made that it's nonsense i'm sorry but i was struggle with all of that most of that the normal ones i can do . politicians like nicholas sturgeon have managed to get themselves in a god awful mess themselves in a god awful mess the pun with gender phone bill the pun with a gender phone bill that looks like it's on the scrapheap i mean, would have scrapheap i mean, it would have made easier for people like made it easier for people like racist. i'm sorry. rapist. no, racist. i'm sorry. rapist. no, racist rapist . adam, what's his racist rapist. adam, what's his face to play the system? he was foolishly putting a female child

when he decided identify when he decided to identify a woman at the last minute and became she . seriously, it became her or she. seriously, it seems that supposedly perfectly people are coming a cropper with this claptrap and with prominent events . the brits going gender events. the brits going gender neutral . it's not really helping neutral. it's not really helping anyone. neutral. it's not really helping anyone . this made up donald anyone. this made up donald trump has to stop i for one did not agree to these made up words and the ever increasing number of them not only does it not make sense , but many instances make sense, but many instances it makes a mockery of the engush it makes a mockery of the english language . and my english language. and my colleague dan wootton points out if i call called you all night, would you be thrilled ? would i would you be thrilled? would i be thrilled ? i wouldn't exactly. be thrilled? i wouldn't exactly. and i it is she is a very it's simple. you got it. that is just boot screaming language . it's boot screaming language. it's not because sam smith is a he he's a man and even if you try even if you believe in this thing that you should call people whatever pronouns they want actually common sense and

that this is turning into blasphemy laws that i don't believe in gender that is my right . well, make sure catch up right. well, make sure catch up with dan so it's fabulous to thursday evenings 9 to 11. well frankly there are two genders male and female and anything in between is still a combination of the two. that's it folks deal with it . so before we get stuck with it. so before we get stuck into the debate, what else is coming up today ? the great coming up today? the great british debate this hour, i'm asking it time to bring back national service. ukrainian president zelenskyy gave a historic in westminster where asked the uk to provide fighter jets , help counter russian jets, help counter russian attacks . with tensions attacks. with tensions escalating in europe , there's a escalating in europe, there's a huge we bring back compulsory . huge we bring back compulsory. national. then at 450 it's time for my round up royal biographer and 11 will be live to give us the latest behind the palace

walls . and the princess of wales walls. and the princess of wales was spotted embracing her former history teacher during an official engagement cornwall official engagement in cornwall thatis official engagement in cornwall that is despite meghan markle having implied that kate wasn't a in documentary . i a hugger in a documentary. i remember yeah then at remember that. yeah then at five, it's this week's difficult conversation . anti—violence conversation. anti—violence campaigner . conversation. anti—violence campaigner. alison cope will be with me because according to the office of national knife crime homicide have reached record highs across england and wales in the year to march 22. the early hours of the morning, two people were stabbed in east london today, with one man later dying in hospital . alison lost dying in hospital. alison lost her son to knife violence. ten years ago, sophie lived to talk me through her plight and all campaign work. well, that's on the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. can email gb discussing. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get at. gb news. right. let's get started . welcome again to my started. welcome again to my panel of broadcast columnist lizzie cundy, also political

commentator sam dowler . lizzie cundy, also political commentator sam dowler. right. and let's start with you, sam dowler. so all stuff i mean, liz, these gender pronouns, surely you're fine . i am a five surely you're fine. i am a five knew exactly what mean. if we if we go back to obviously, you know, the origin of the story, what was to do with church what was to do with the church of england? i mean, i've always thought is non—binary thought of god is non—binary anyway. and it's actually unlike since never since ancient times have never of god as having a gender because of the gods, not a human being either. so it's it's being either. so it's like it's kind a moot point, i think. i think have used it, especially some media outlets as a way of, you know, bashing who want to appear as want to say they appear as we want to say they are by saying like, are non—binary by saying like, oh, even the church , etc. such a oh, even the church, etc. such a bar . oh, even the church, etc. such a bar. non—binary people do exist. thatis bar. non—binary people do exist. that is that's, for example sam smith. that is how they that is how they feel. and did that how they feel. and when did that word come out? i'm glad they made up hundreds and made that up for hundreds and hundreds years . people have hundreds of years. people have been. it seems like back in been. but it seems like back in ancient egypt, back ancient times, like well, not like the

actual term non—binary. now can say last maybe five, six years. that's when had non—binary means just like not part of to in like that that terminology been made up. well no, i mean, you know, we're kind assigned assigned to this . but we're kind assigned assigned to this. but like, you we're kind assigned assigned to this . but like, you know, we this. but like, you know, we live in changing times and, you know, in general, it's one of these things that is fluid and it's today often are it's and kids today often are gender diverse. what adults in aduh gender diverse. what adults in adult female but you're still on the spectrum . there is the spectrum. there is a spectrum it's like, well sexuality there's a spectrum as well. for that, there was a gay or straight a lot of people are in between, but there two in between to so you could be that end of man only it's in the middle yet they then. well that's ridiculous because only one seriously heaven help us. ha ha non—binary who all in heaven. oh, come on sam, this is just going way too far. i actually think . this is a going way too far. i actually think. this is a conspiracy by nicholas sturgeon to support her

gender bill. i mean, seriously please. she's not in touch with the lords, you know? well, let's just say they the bulk of the common prayer is part of this country's heritage . and that's country's heritage. and that's the way it should say . i'm the way it should say. i'm pleased that a bunch of it today and tomorrow, clerics try ruin the words we took to the you know better than the clerics or again to the family go. they try to be inclusive . this the church to be inclusive. this the church is in decline because they can't get no , no. tell us what the get no, no. tell us what the church in decline because they are now going to the woke bngade are now going to the woke brigade trying to play the game as you know nicholas sturgeon did using the trans community to win points. the search is on because it's pretty boring. i mean, if you go to the site, darling, they go. that's why some of the local churches and things like that are obviously growing in popularity because people want to feel good when they go to church . but you they go to church. but you believe this. but you also said they go to church. but you beli also his. but you also said they go to church. but you beli also said3ut you also said they go to church. but you beli also said thatou also said they go to church. but you beli also said that they so said you also said that they have obviously for

obviously a lot to answer for the but with historic the church, but with historic with historic abuse . and again, with historic abuse. and again, we like and people have we just like and people have said silence for said about silence that for example like look he's evil it's that evil to me like, you that evil to me is like, you know , the gun lobby america. know, the gun lobby in america. it's the anti—abortion. it's full a child to have full force a child to have a baby after she's been raped. thatis baby after she's been raped. that is what's evil to and that's what we've done in the name god given right to have gun. i mean, come on. i'll be honest. sam smith, he honest. sam smith, was he successful before this? when he was sam smith, they were hey, it was sam smith, they were hey, it was way he was successful. was no way he was successful. he's now gone all the front covers and gone on while using that. and that is the trade. they already won grammys. stephen is talking about stephen harper is talking about this . look, the church this nonsense. look, the church of england got more . it of england has got more. it should praying for real, not should be praying for real, not this nonsense, but we're looking places like turkey syria that places like turkey in syria that are having much repeat time at the this absolute the minute. this is absolute nonsense . it really is. and i'm nonsense. it really is. and i'm sick to death of it and people using it for their own good and as is using as nicholas sturgeon is using the trans community as political pawns. and now the of england to

jump pawns. and now the of england to jump on the bandwagon sort of have they sort of have i mean they don't the church of england on independent sales but that is a they were talking a fact that they were talking about watching this on on about i was watching this on on one the programme earlier one of the programme earlier this week they were talking this week so they were talking about discussing for about discussing it for ten years. said , you know, years. they have said, you know, this is this isn't something this is this isn't something this all for the this is a thing at all for the church mean, church of england. so, i mean, obviously, once again, they've just else is using just the everybody else is using this as a as a weapon to bash the past . but this as a as a weapon to bash the past. but what this as a as a weapon to bash the past . but what about lack of the past. but what about lack of attend and so let's be honest in the church this is what it's truly about. and if the doesn't know what it stands for by now then really lord help us. maybe they should get dominic cummings in to help them. well, no, he's only cummings. in to help them. well, no, he's only cummings . yeah, no, only dominic cummings. yeah, no, the bottom line is, i think they're trying. i it would they're trying. i mean, it would be the church could be good if the church could slightly adapt to the situation and is would that and life as is some would that actually having a non—binary god and talking it in that in those terms is actually more progressive right but that would

mean that they would have to change a of things like certain prayers , like our father and all prayers, like our father and all this kind of stuff where is this kind of stuff where god is referred as a male, which is referred to as a male, which is how is in pretty much the how it is in pretty much the north side, they're not that north side, but they're not that if if you look, then no if you look if you look, then no one's going to change any of the prayers. going one's prayers. no one's going to one's going how going to change how they how they speak like that. yeah. but i it's i don't know. i know it's a slippery and one of slippery slope. and also one of the is apparently the holy ghost is apparently a woman. i mean, like woman. anyway so i mean, like these, know, these woman. anyway so i mean, like the�*this know, these woman. anyway so i mean, like the�*this i know, these woman. anyway so i mean, like the�*this i mean, know, these woman. anyway so i mean, like the�*this i mean, this)w, these woman. anyway so i mean, like the�*this i mean, this)w,thisse woman. anyway so i mean, like the�*this i mean, this)w,this is are this i mean, this is this is all really. all just stories, really. anyway, it's the beautiful language. how dare they even think of changing it next will be trying to change language just like shakespeare is going to fault . it really is. i mean to fault. it really is. i mean people are making money from it and like i was making money from sam smith. come on to say these gender pronoun list, it's growing and it's constantly growing. so i'm afraid we should just get back to basics. even the who are going just get back to basics. even the with who are going just get back to basics. even the with this who are going just get back to basics. even the with this wofkio are going just get back to basics. even the with this work will; going just get back to basics. even the with this work will startig along with this work will start to themselves knots . want to tie themselves in knots. want to tie themselves in knots. want to you can in to make sure you can join in with everything. gp with everything. hey all gp needs saw i'm done needs is you just saw i'm done with tbd whose we are with this is tbd whose we are the people's trauma well live tv

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and on digital radio. don't forget to download the gb views app. you can download it for free out all the free and check out all the programmes on channel. programmes on the channel. i'm not aware . now before the break not aware. now before the break we're discussing idea a non we're discussing idea of a non binary code . just have a at binary code. just have a look at what been saying , which what you've been saying, which is it being on is a did on it. it is being on gb protesters a drag gb news that protesters a drag queen story our our far right which is a bit odd when they are common sense and concern people . i agree. i don't know why people say . that's far right. i people say. that's far right. i don't i don't like that when people go dressed like to children's schools don't think children's schools i don't think it's i don't think it's right. sharon hi, nana. thought it sharon hi, nana. i thought it was it was that god made mary pregnant and was therefore jesus is father and this the father of christianity . is father and this the father of christianity. is simple? christianity. is that simple? is it ? thank you for that. thanks it? thank you for that. thanks for explaining it. it? thank you for that. thanks for explaining it . says, for explaining it. robin says, as i'm concerned , who as far as i'm concerned, who want describe themselves as want to describe themselves as non—binary whatever they non—binary, whatever term they prefer fine , provided i don't prefer is fine, provided i don't have involved in this have to get involved in this nonsense. i'm of with nonsense. well, i'm sort of with i to ruin the english i don't want to ruin the english language doesn't language that it just doesn't frankly any but keep those frankly make any but keep those thoughts coming . it's time now thoughts coming. it's time now

for our great british debate. this and i'm asking you, this hour. and i'm asking you, should compulsory should we bring back compulsory national now? earlier national service now? earlier this president this week, ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy gave a historic at westminster historic speech at westminster parliament, he thanked the parliament, where he thanked the uk for leading the way in providing aid to ukraine. also gave i was at lindsay hoyle you gave i was at lindsay hoyle you gave the helmet which looked like going to put like was actually going to put on like he didn't know on it was like he didn't know what to it it down. what to put it out put it down. thank on thank god didn't put it on but in message there was still in this message there was still one key player ukraine that need more counter more fighter jets to counter russian whilst russian attacks. whilst the prime nothing prime minister said that nothing was off the in providing was off the table in providing military support. now the defence , wallace said defence secretary, wallace said supplying aircraft use in the war would take months . and this war would take months. and this comes as the russian embassy in london warned the sending fighter to ukraine would cause military and political consequences. the european continent , the entire world. but continent, the entire world. but our launch help should we provide mean the growing tension within europe as a result of the war. is it time that we start to look at our own services and maybe consider bringing back compulsory national? so that's

great. the great. but just to make the south that's i'm asking should we well, joining we bring it back? well, joining me major mike is me now is major mike shearer is a spokesperson . a former military spokesperson. and nick, ten is chief of and chief operating officer of turning point uk. chief operating officer of turning point uk . also joining turning point uk. also joining me is rebecca reed, author , me is rebecca reed, author, journalist, antony armstrong, politico.com later. right. so i'm going to start with you , i'm going to start with you, major. major because i want to hear from you national service. shall we bring it back ? shall we bring it back? definitely not. i think there's certainly a cry should go out for more soldiers within the establishment . but national establishment. but national service think in its day when it was in 1949, served a purpose but it was quickly within seven years the aidan magee asked for it to be removed . it took about it to be removed. it took about six years for that to happen because it was such a distraction to their their day to day business. so i think we learn lessons from the past and

the answer is no more soldiers but not as conscription . i'm but not as conscription. i'm going to bring in we're bringing danny armstrong armstrong . yeah danny armstrong armstrong. yeah well i don't think they should bnng well i don't think they should bring back compulsory national service for a couple of reasons really. i mean i come from a country that has just 32,000 troops on mobilising to basically put them into a meat gnnder basically put them into a meat grinder in ukraine. many were shipped off without prior knowledge that they were even eligible to go to ukraine. they did really the war. a lot of them fled . a lot of them were my them fled. a lot of them were my friends. a lot of them qualified just simply because of their professions . people who were professions. people who were involved in medicine were conscripted as medics and don't think it should be brought back mainly for that reason. people think it's a great idea to instil discipline. they think is a great idea to give men a purpose . but they don't really purpose. but they don't really think about it when . their sons, think about it when. their sons, their husbands, the guy they like in the office is shipped to a war far, far away that they know nothing about on either and

of course, is upset that that was brought in in 1949. yeah. yeah but but danny, i mean, you see the situation now. if i tell you the war was returned to us in the uk, got an army of about 70,000. let me bring in nick nicholson . we have shot in this nicholson. we have shot in this . perfect. thank you so much, sir. once again , so feelings sir. once again, so feelings matter than facts . they. matter more than facts. they. danny. got massive danny. so we've got massive societal disharmony . we have no societal disharmony. we have no sort of unity sides or we've never been more divided . and never been more divided. and i've heard military people far more educated on the subject myself . we've got huge problems myself. we've got huge problems within the government. don't want to get our hands dirty when it comes to culture . it's all it comes to culture. it's all economics and liberalism. they want to get their hands dirty. we've fatherlessness, we've got fatherlessness, we've got stabbings just in the weight room. is room. a minute ago. the news is absolutely gender absolutely abhorrent. gender nonsense, theory nonsense, radical marxist theory getting pumped out of our institutions. we've beats male on the rise . it's not about on the rise. it's not about military intervention, modern warfare. need to be warfare. i don't need to be high ranking i that having ranking. i know that having 200,000 foot soldiers may not be that useful right now. it's about societal it's

about societal unity. it's getting back track and getting men back on track and that love of the country , the that love of the country, the page system that's required as a key aspect to achieving societal unity and coming away in massive middle finger up to the woke nonsense because that's where we're headed. that's what's happening. it's we're getting pumped out institutions pumped out of all institutions through in digital media throwing fathers unless throwing absent fathers unless something's change. the something's got change. the government needs to get our hands go right. we hands dirty and go right. we need . and need a collective, unified. and it themes that's built . it must be themes that's built. patriotism is the number one thing in terms of achieving that. is shaking . i that. rebecca rich is shaking. i had the i just had my botox topped off and i was really testing it that we can't make any of faces that i really any of the faces that i really wanted i think we bring that wanted to i think we bring that you could solve any of those problems with the army it's so funny not least that i'm one of the professions with the highest levels of infidelity being in levels of infidelity is being in the military . so the that the military. so the idea that you're going to solve fatherlessness by people run around playing army games for a year or . so around playing army games for a year or. so can you imagine if you'd to do it for men and women

because it'd be insane not to. i might if someone like was in because it'd be insane not to. i mignationaleone like was in because it'd be insane not to. i mignational service; was in because it'd be insane not to. i mignational service. imagine in the national service. imagine time wasted while cry and talk about my feelings . well, they about my feelings. well, they try to teach me i'll take the pain of a grenade is literally one of worst when it's ever one of the worst when it's ever heard ever mooted heard and. it's only ever mooted by are too old to by people who are too old to have to do it. so the only way in could support it is have to do it. so the only way inyou could support it is have to do it. so the only way inyou do could support it is have to do it. so the only way inyou do it ould support it is have to do it. so the only way inyou do it ford support it is have to do it. so the only way inyou do it for onepport it is have to do it. so the only way inyou do it for one year it is have to do it. so the only way in you do it for one year at is have to do it. so the only way in you do it for one year at 65. if you do it for one year at 65. nick, said it's nick, she said it's unacceptable. too old nick, she said it's undo eptable. too old nick, she said it's undo that. le. too old nick, she said it's undo that. but too old nick, she said it's undo that. but you too old nick, she said it's undo that. but you in)o old nick, she said it's undo that. but you in fact,i to do that. but you may in fact, all of us suppose all of us. well, yeah , just what nonsense. well, yeah, just what nonsense. there's some sort of link there . sorry and fatherlessness. sorry what's that link. that, that doesn't make any sense. also i was , my understanding is also i was, my understanding is male national service unless we wanted to talk about changing that , no one wants to wanted to talk about changing that, no one wants to hear you cry about your feelings. me so i'm little bit confused by i'm a little bit confused by what and how you could i'm a little bit confused by wh so and how you could i'm a little bit confused by wh so put and how you could i'm a little bit confused by wh so put out and how you could i'm a little bit confused by wh so put out an(what you could i'm a little bit confused by wh so put out an(what i've could i'm a little bit confused by wh so put out an(what i've said.1 be so put out by what i've said. and saying opposite that and you're saying opposite that we have societal cohesion the moment. mad? i have to moment. are you mad? i have to give rebecca a chance to reply a little bit. bet she's not mad. no. sorry i mean, lots of people like to hear me cry about my

feelings. basically, my whole job. but i just go back to the fathers fatherlessness thing. the reason talking about infidelity , because infidelity, because relationships often end because fidelity and that and the lack of emotional support for people beenin of emotional support for people been in the forces is such that you have more marriages coming out of the army than in all the professions, which i did , hoping professions, which i did, hoping my in. that's precisely true. that's precisely . and of course that's precisely. and of course it's a joke. i dare to say that men need to be dominated and needs funnelled into the needs to be funnelled into the army just just to learn these bafic army just just to learn these basic things, of course. i mean, father fathering is important. i mean, being the head of family mean, being the head of a family is course, important, as is of course, important, as important decent important for raising decent young men. but why would they find anybody? i don't said that. a study done is . i don't think a study done is. i don't think he said that many. so, danny, hold on. i'm sorry you didn't say men need to say that. men need to be dominated. about a sense dominated. you're about a sense of community and cohesion i want to mike mike . well, i to bring in mike mike. well, i think i would agree with lot of what nick said , except that i

what nick said, except that i wouldn't have them on a separate order of battlefield. but as i said at the very beginning , you said at the very beginning, you know, the army does need we don't even have an army. let's face it, in normal military parlance , you need at least parlance, you need at least 100,000 men to create an army . 100,000 men to create an army. so at best, really, we've got a whole lot of people we have we have i'll go with that i'm not going to argue that point but the point i'm making is we do need more soldiers on the ground . and all the points that nick raised , i would salute and say, raised, i would salute and say, yeah, let's go with that, but not as part conscription. if conscription was to come in and i may teased into agreeing with it if it was on a separate budget not coming out of the moody and if it was not part of the order of battle and was separate to that , then i could separate to that, then i could maybe i could maybe go with it , maybe i could maybe go with it, but not as a social experiment for the army to become social.

well, it wouldn't be a social experiment because i think we've got a very depleted we've got a depleting army . yeah i mean well depleting army. yeah i mean well i've lived in a couple of countries i live in switzerland, i live in russia where they do a compulsory national service. russia, of course is one that there is a special be relevant right now with the amount of people that are being conscripted and signed up to . so conscripted and signed up to. so it was, as i said, that know nothing about and might really nothing about and might really not support in way, shape or form is doing it because their family risk saw some renumeration or receive some some kind of glory . and i don't some kind of glory. and i don't think the uk is really under attack. it was not attack or under threat of any kind of invasion because russia has higher numbers of troops. invasion because russia has higher numbers of troops . of higher numbers of troops. of course that russian mentality has just been sending waves and wave young men to defeat any army or any that they have is very in the society. it's not really prevalent in ours. we

have a soldier that are much more skilled than i think. i think the obvious a good thing for teaching the men that want to go into it for teach all the things that maybe nick said. but i don't the that it i don't agree. the idea that it should it should. should be compulsory, it should. men be conscripted go men should be conscripted to go abroad they haven't abroad just because they haven't done it. then buy your own thing that of your that you said a lot of your didn't want to go in people didn't want to go in and people didn't want to go in and people didn't want to go in and people didn't want this and didn't want to do this and didn't want to do this and didn't that. the only didn't want to do that. the only way to build an army way we're going to build an army precisely. to have precisely. they want to have excuse me, i'm not finished. which therefore that which therefore means that the only way to get people to definitely to perhaps definitely do it is to perhaps it going get it compulsory. i'm going to get the word quickly to break the final word quickly to break it and then quickly it to rebekah and then quickly to nick as quickly please to nick as well. quickly please remember the is not entirely made it's made people, made of men. it's made people, not men . and i think this not just men. and i think this bothers me very deeply that everybody has made that in those conversations. please conversations. if we please try, remember i think if we remember and i just think if we have a to try make young have a to try and make young people our movies i'd be putting it into not guns finally to you nick well what's the point in putting it to schools? it's just radical, far marxist theory which the about far which all the time about far right it's absolute nonsense. we

should the false should be addressing the false left, which the government doesn't its hands doesn't want to get its hands on. i've just come from on. i've just come back from the front seen front line in ukraine. i've seen those looked them those guys. i've looked them in the interviewed the eyes i've interviewed them. they're unified. they're solid, they're unified. they're solid, they're unified. they have a there's a sense of duty . to dani's point earlier, duty. to dani's point earlier, what we send and what about, oh, if we send and fathers else off, fathers and whoever else off, what about their how that would might affect them this ? this is might affect them this? this is this how far go we've got this is how far go we've got russia's russia's on the russia's up russia's on the brink. this is a very real threat. my argument is very much more cultural fighting more along the cultural fighting back cultural war. most back in the cultural war. most but terms the military , as but in terms of the military, as mike said, why it that i am 150,000 when i went for signed up in 2011 down to 70,000 etc, etc. greece spent 2.4% of the gdp and they got 200,000 on military . it's different warfare military. it's different warfare now. it's tech warfare . that's now. it's tech warfare. that's not the point. this is about fighting back in the culture war. the government to war. the government needs to step up and do something. okay. well, you much, well, listen, thank you much, nick tank owner. he's the chief operating point uk operating of turning point uk major former major mike shearer, former military spokesperson, also rebecca reed. and then danny last i time , danny armstrong,

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russian attacks, while the prime minister said nothing was off the table in military support for them . the defence secretary for them. the defence secretary ben wallace has said that aircraft to use in the war would potentially take. but how much help should the uk provide and also the growing tension within europe as a result of the war. perhaps we need to start thinking about our own military personnel. is it time that we to enhance it by bringing back service? so it is great for us make this out. i'm asking should we bring back national service ? we bring back national service? because, you know, if you just gave people choice, they'd say no discuss it. join me now. no to discuss it. join me now. joining me now , my panel, joining me now, my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , also broadcaster cundy, and also broadcaster and political sam political commentator sam dowler. right so national service, i mean, it became thing in 1949 where it was compulsory for 18 months and people had to it it was meant, i think aged 16 to 21 and you had to do it. and if were studying then you could do it after . lizzie, you do it after. lizzie, do you think should doing that? think that we should doing that? and would say every report

and i would say every report it's not just men, i'd say. i mean, not everyone. mean, everyone not everyone. yeah well, no, i wouldn't i don't agree with it. and my boys of that age, i be mortified if they had to go away and do national to national service. i'm going to be honest . i can be totally honest. i can understand this , understand why understand this, understand why people think this could actually be a blessing for a generation of youth that are just hooked . of youth that are just hooked. social media. nice calling. going through the roof and getting some real and discipline into their lives . i getting some real and discipline into their lives. i can understand that but for me on a personal level . no understand that but for me on a personal level. no i'm just saying to two sides of the coin , actually, as a mother , i , actually, as a mother, i wouldn't want to look, my friends are in where it is. you have to do you have to do it. and when you go to know this guy had the most amazing education came out a degree but had to go and national service lost job he wanted. well so the other one

though with the compulsory stuff you were allowed to come back to the you left. so there the job that you left. so there was a deal that you had to come back? yeah no, i mean, back? yeah. yeah no, i mean, look, understand the pros look, i can understand the pros and of but and cons of this, but personally, would and cons of this, but persc it. lly, would and cons of this, but perscit.lly, boys would and cons of this, but perscit. lly, boys to would and cons of this, but perscit. lly, boys to go uld and cons of this, but perscit. lly, boys to go and hate it. my boys had to go and do this a personal level. i'm just totally. we need to just being totally. we need to intervene. increase . intervene. we have to increase. our army establishment . our own army establishment. that's what we need to do by trying to recruit. recruit to army. because our army at the minute well, i mean, they're doing everything from being ambulance drivers. everyone's counting the army. need counting the army. and we need to do spend that money and recruiting the army and make more attractive . you've more attractive. you've convinced me to go for it. so that's a compulsory service. so i went to a private school and we had do something called ccf, which was combined cadet force. so was we had to choose so that was we had to choose whether we were going to do army, navy or air force. and i chose navy my , my chose navy because my, my granddad the navy. my granddad was in the navy. my cousin in navy as well . cousin was in the navy as well. and, you know, it wasn't me, shockingly. did enjoy it. no.

there was some aspects i did enjoy. like i was i was number one in my shooting class, for example . rifles, darling. but . example. rifles, darling. but. the problem they had at the school was that they just in the year above were like officers . year above were like officers. and, you know, obviously went to their heads and they were like, oh, you know, do this, do that. and i up not wanting and then i ended up not wanting to do something hiding in bush for the for the first for the for the for the first and time. none. and they and last time. none. and they again then i got thrown out. i had to do detention and stuff, but like , i would never leave. but like, i would never leave. i know there was there was aspects of it were obviously that were good. and i do think like with, you know, with with kids today and, media, and, you know, social media, etc. that it might like, you etc. that it might be like, you know, into like some sort know, jolt into like some sort of like, you know, respectful, you know, respectfulness . well, you know, respectfulness. well, this country been this was a country who've been disciplined organisation disciplined and organisation and some was pointing out some cohesion was pointing out was i think is really, really lacking and also so a reality because a lot of people are with social media. i don't i'll be honest, i don't particularly like social media. i do it because i should do . but the

because i should do. but the people who are like you aren't real people . they are real real people. they are real people. they're not real friends . and you know, i think . and it is you know, i think people get so absorbed in it, actually, if they started to get actually, if they started to get a community spend a sense of community and spend more people doing more time around people doing things together instead of on a screen, i think it's but there's another doing it because another way of doing it because it will. does it violates free will. it does not really. and i when i was growing , we had a school sadly . growing, we had a school sadly. we don't have this anymore. but when you were growing up, we had there was a lot in government. there was square wills. how dare you? but but we you? how dare you? but but we had youth clubs then there were things where we, you know, had to knife crime is to is now that knife crime is going through the roof. it's like lawless britain and i think sadly a lot of the that's lost respect and discipline. but it is to down parenting and many other aspects of the community to do that. i agree with i agree with both of you like it is to do respect john. i mean if it encourages younger people to respect older people or to respect older people or to respect the rule of law and

rather than lots you mean because you know because obviously, you know things with youths at the things happen with youths at the moment spitting the face moment it's spitting in the face or having respect for or like having no respect for their wouldn't their elders etc. we wouldn't fly , you know, ago , fly, you know, decades ago, decade ago, and yet now it's so, you know, maybe , maybe on that you know, maybe, maybe on that front. i but i think maybe it should be it should be voluntary or you the or like maybe, you know, the parents we've parents should. well, we've got to make it more attractive. we i think to increase the think really got to increase the army establishment as whole. army establishment as a whole. we've small thing we've also got the small thing of a potential war in this country with only a few people in the army, looks at hardly in the army, the looks at hardly any kit. so genuinely any kit. so honestly, genuinely have how are we have to address that. how are we going do that? i'd say going to do that? and i'd say that it is to start that the to do it is to start building army start building an army and start building an army and start building patriotism building that sort of patriotism as comes with being as well. that comes with being part of army. and because part of an army. and because this is so multifaceted, this country is so multifaceted, so we have from parts the so we have from all parts of the world now who are british, world here now who are british, perhaps actually will give a sense of patriotism towards this country also some of country and also some of discipline and a reality check, which i we need. and it could potentially build the army could mean who will want to stay . but mean who will want to stay. but

putin even do that. now, putin can't even do that. now, i'd to he's you i'd like to you know, he's you know, told this know, he's told this is like saving the ukraine etc. but erm you know they, they, they've tried to conscript people and they they've tried run they and they've tried to run away they know it's away because they know it's a death going death sentence, they're going to leave . so we keep giving to the leave. so we keep giving to the ukraine have because who knows what is a madman. who knows where you keep them time next. we have to support them in every sense but but what we're doing is these people who are training are with are just, you know, with teaching discipline. but within will be a people a bunch of people wouldn't have thought about joining army will about joining the army who will so actually be doing so what they actually be doing is recruitment pool is creating a recruitment pool of people who may potentially carry in army. that's carry on in the army. that's really it's about, not really what it's about, not forcing are doing forcing the people who are doing because have to stay . i because they have to stay. i think we something like think we need something like that country. otherwise that in this country. otherwise what? can stay on your what? okay can stay on your social media? do like likes social media? do you like likes you can do and when you can do that. and then when somebody there is everyone somebody when there is everyone just yeah and to be just runs away. yeah and to be on takes. so getting help merely a million people like doesn't

matter when stuff is attacking your national service outdated we have to all agree is outdated i've i've feel is to the to the highly skilled forces and there needs to be a different way of attracting and our army as it is . okay well i got to speak to some people i'm going to have a chat with lee, who's one of the great british voices. then when after will come an after that will come up with an idea how we can attract people without them join the without forcing them join the army. this is nothing. your thoughts. our thoughts. let's welcome our great british voice. and of course, going over to course, we're going over to bristol, not going to visit. so love, love . so this is very well love, love. so this is very well the time we down for university they did a great i made the right i think is a terrible decision to send out for university awful leave what do you think of this national service is it goes should it be compulsory. we need to get on with it depending on how it's structured . implemented? yes i'd structured. implemented? yes i'd happily support some form of mandatory national service if done. you know, like for a short time , possibly similar to how

time, possibly similar to how france or maybe finland do it . france or maybe finland do it. there's some really good benefits from it national unity and cohesion personal development, economic . of all development, economic. of all the jobs that are created around the jobs that are created around the additional services that are required for the military civic and civic education and improve military readiness. and civic education and improve military readiness . and the military readiness. and the important ones to me , the most important ones to me, the most important ones to me, the most important parts to consider for me, personal development , civic me, personal development, civic education and improved military readiness. but you know, based on what we carry on with the war in europe at the moment, i think some form of military would be a huge benefit to young people, national service teachers , some national service teachers, some about responsibility as a citizens and the importance of serving their country and the point you made not i was a very good one. i'm glad you touched on it, because it does bring together people diverse together people from diverse backgrounds and it promotes a sense of national unity and common purpose , and it also common purpose, and it also provides valuable and experience the skills that can be applied to future careers and

personalised, and that those are things that are definitely lacking in modern society since so i do think it'll have its benefits that. but the other main reason why i think it's a goodideais main reason why i think it's a good idea is because it's quite concerning especially with the war at the moment the military is way behind its peers . i think is way behind its peers. i think between 2021 and 2022, the military seen a% decline in regular forces, recruits . after regular forces, recruits. after speaking with the us generals , speaking with the us generals, ben wallace said the uk army is in a dire state and the government should reverse sweeping cuts because its equipments become obsolete . you equipments become obsolete. you know, it seems like we could learn a lot from countries like finland . they regularly polled finland. they regularly polled like 87% of people polled. i think even last year said that they would participate in defending their country. they did that poll five years ago and it's like 84% it'll be interesting if they did that . interesting if they did that. let's see what the young people would say . they. harris, thank would say. they. harris, thank you very much . yeah. good to you very much. yeah. good to talk to you. that's the these great in

great british forces there in bristol , right? well, stop it. bristol, right? well, stop it. asking should we bring back compulsory service? compulsory national service? lots in lots you've been getting in touch views says no, touch with your views says no, we shouldn't . but there should we shouldn't. but there should be an expansion of the military . again, it's to be needed . again, it's going to be needed in to come. graham in the years to come. graham says in a free, says nothing in a free, democratic society. it should be compulsory. school compulsory. what about school frankie? says i have always believed people who to get a job should be made to go onto the armed forces . they would soon armed forces. they would soon get a job. both well, thank you for these thoughts. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news onto the online and digital here. after the break, it's time for our round up the emblem for king coronation has been unveiled designer sir johnny king coronation has been unveiled designer sirjohnny ivy created the image based on the king's love of the planet. what is that on the way? after a short .

break good afternoon and welcome onboard. this is gb news. fast approaching 8 minutes to 5:00. i've done quiz where live on onune i've done quiz where live on online and a digital right now there is always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different. the princess of wales was spotted embracing former history teacher during the engagement in cornwall . now that is of course, cornwall. now that is of course, despite meghan markle having implied that kate wasn't a in her documentary. yes, perhaps just didn't want to hug you . and just didn't want to hug you. and the emblem for the the official emblem for the king's finally unveiled king's has finally been unveiled each saturday as ever. i love to give you a rundown on who better to do than biographer to do that than royal biographer angela . she joins now . angela. she joins me now. angela, nice to see you. well well, angela , i may have missed well, angela, i may have missed you not being the studio, but talk through that because meghan make meghan says catherine doesn't help people but there is catherine hugging people is yes

i actually wondered whether she was doing to show that she could because i think it's lovely unusual for you to really your former history teacher and then then you've managed to just have nice they were but she hugged a young woman who'd been on a polar exhibition exposed titian and she gave her a huge help, too. but they were real monster hugs a deal but i think she's now much more confident . she's now much more confident. she's got a new role. she's wife to the heir to the throne and i think that she feels that she can get a bit looser in how she behaves. can get a bit looser in how she behaves . she might be rubbing behaves. she might be rubbing salt into the wound hugging and going , yeah , salt into the wound hugging and going, yeah , yeah. the same to going, yeah, yeah. the same to be that type of girl, because the teacher said she was absolutely ideal wonderful to teach and i suppose she's a soft

spot for her to know actually who is the wife of the heir to the throne well i think she's i think she's a very kind person but she won't stand for much nonsense against her children or her husband , which is quite her husband, which is quite right. is a lovely smile. but she's also tough , which she she's also tough, which she actually to be. well, absolutely. and as you said, she's definitely growing into the role , even more so. now, the role, even more so. now, what about this story that , what about this story that, harry? you won't say, is it sarah he wants them stop sarah he wants them to stop talking about losing his talking about him losing his virginity? started it virginity? i mean, he started it . yes i mean, it's getting more and more . he actually had and more. he actually had audacity to say he had no regret about anything. he put in book or has said, well i mean, that's heartbreaking, actually because heartbreaking, actually because he could said, well, yes, i, i might have hurt people . but that might have hurt people. but that hasn't come into his vocabulary to say that was really ghastly and then then to say that , you and then then to say that, you know, he hopes it dies down, not

to say, look, i am the star that it might be a bit difficult to her and i should have actually just warned her she didn't do him any harm, but she moved him from a to b, didn't she really ? from a to b, didn't she really? and i he could have said it a little to say. i mean, he was clintonesque about her in the book. but when you saw her talking, she looked it was really hurtful . but she felt she really hurtful. but she felt she had to talk about it. she was completely tracked to start talking on television , no radio. talking on television, no radio. but she felt she should because she wanted to clear air about herself. and she a very nice, straightforward . so he could straightforward. so he could have actually apologised. but you see nowadays , there's no you see nowadays, there's no apology in his vocabulary. you see nowadays, there's no apology in his vocabulary . we've apology in his vocabulary. we've seen that with, with his father is his brother sister in law. there are no apology days. he wants them to apologise . but my wants them to apologise. but my goodness, you're not going get him to say anything was wrong.

now to talk is his name is the woman's name sasha actually is that how he wants sasha to stop talking about that thing that i think sasha wanted to he wants her to stop talking he wants it to die away , but she wanted to to die away, but she wanted to give her view because she saw all friends and acquaintances knew her. so she wanted to it's best to sort of talk about it. she was very kind to him most of the times. if you listen to things that, you know, at his age, he didn't really know how to satisfy a woman, but otherwise quite nice . but otherwise it was quite nice. but i he was i think she she just wanted to says she wants to go back and hide under a rock, which is awful really for her. very unkind to him. and she's not out to. get him. she's been quiet for 21 years. and i think it's real shame that he couldn't just say, oh, well you know, i do feel a bit guilty about that. there's in is what all the nice

parts of harry and he's just a bully kind resentful person . bully kind resentful person. well i mean you don't see how he's not had to defend but he did put it out there so it's very to defend even very difficult to defend even even he's not defending himself . what about this thing then , . what about this thing then, catherine and william that ? huge catherine and william that? huge wealth in cornwall. i that sort of thing. think they were visiting cornwall and then you rolled as the duke and duchess cornwall and it's automatic . cornwall and it's automatic. when charles became king they would get the duchy of cornwall for them. well i think this . for them. well i think this. 53,000 acres had acres and that is worth over 53,000 acres had acres and that is worth ove r £1,000,000,000. is worth over £1,000,000,000. and last year. is worth over £1,000,000,000. and last year . an d £21 million. and last year. and £21 million. it's an area there is farm land homes, offices cars, all sorts of things . so a little country

of things. so a little country in its own, i suppose william has said that he wants to make a lot of homes for people who are homeless. and this is something he's got from his mother as a child. she took him there two or three times. so that he didn't feel that he was so spoilt that he could understand that people had a very time and he's gone regularly ever since. so this would be a place he could do something for homeless people . something for homeless people. and i'm sure he . but then it's a and i'm sure he. but then it's a lovely place. it's a lovely area. and they were going they're going to go there a lot and try and do a lot for the people there and get to know them and be very friendly. but i think that is an astonishing i mean, 21 million a year and goes every time but he has given money to help people in turkey and i'm sure that it will enable him to be very generous in the

charity that harry and meghan must receive in their small montecito mansion in comparison. and what about the emblem for the king's coronation? it's been revealed . yes, i think is revealed. yes, i think is absence lutely delightful. there's something with about it thatis there's something with about it that is quite dainty also powerful. it's got of the flowers of wales scotland ireland , england and the crown ireland, england and the crown is sort of cushioned by the red of the flowers outside. i think a lovely i think it's beauty freedom and delicate we're going to see it, you know on, anything thatis to see it, you know on, anything that is about the coronation. and i think you went tara there is absolute utterly delightful. well it's lovely it's a pleasure to talk to you. that is. and that 11 she's our royal biographer. thank you so much. angela, this is gb news on tv onune angela, this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. still loads more to come the next hour .

next hour. good afternoon. it's coming up to 5:00. we live online on tv and on digital radio. this is gb news. we are the people's channel for the next hour , me channel for the next hour, me and my panel, we'll be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines now. coming up, anti—violence . alison cope will anti—violence. alison cope will be to talk about her son who tragically lost his life as a result of knife crime. and then stay tuned because of the great british so i'm asking, british debate. so i'm asking, is to stop glamorising is it time to stop glamorising terror ? that is, of course, terror? that is, of course, after she made the pay, you got to pay on the front cover of a magazine. your magazine. first, let's get your latest headlines . thank latest news headlines. thank you, nana. good afternoon . this you, nana. good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. merseyside police have arrested 15 people aged between 13 and 54 following violent protests outside a hotel housing seekers. witnesses describe the

scene around the suites hotel in knowsley as being like a war zone. knowsley as being like a war zone . demonstrators threw zone. demonstrators threw missiles and, set fire to a police van friday night. the home secretary suella braverman has described the disorder as appalling, tweeting the alleged behaviour of some asylum seekers is never an excuse . violence and is never an excuse. violence and intimidation. security has been increased following the incident with reinforced fencing and a police presence . the un chief, police presence. the un chief, martin griffiths , has warned martin griffiths, has warned that the death toll in turkey , that the death toll in turkey, syria from monday's earthquakes could double. his comments come the number of dead in southern turkey and northern syria passed 25,000. despite the conditions rescuers continued to find some survivors in the rubble. but they say the window is closing. mr. griffiths says the un will carry separate aid appeals for turkey and syria in the coming days. what happened on monday ? days. what happened on monday?

the epicentre of the earthquake was the worst event in 100 years in this region. we a clear plan. tomorrow next day to give an appeal. tomorrow next day to give an appeal . a three month operation appeal. a three month operation to help the people of turkey with assistance. and we will do some a similar one for the people of syria . a man has and people of syria. a man has and the second remains in hospital following double stabbing in east london . officers were east london. officers were called to hackney at 430 this morning when the victims in their twenties arrived hospital with knife wounds. a 26 year old later died from his injuries. forensic teams are searching the white post lane area where the incident took place. so far , no incident took place. so far, no arrests have been made . while an arrests have been made. while an arrests have been made. while an arrest been made following a protest , a drag queen protest, a drag queen storytelling event for children at london's tate britain . police at london's tate britain. police say the person in custody is suspected of making a racially aggravated comment . an officer.

aggravated comment. an officer. the protest broke out after demonstrators described by some as far right clashed with others who'd gathered in support of the event. who'd gathered in support of the event . with the search for event. with the search for missing mum nicola belli now in its 16th day, her partner says he wants to keep all options open about her disappearance . open about her disappearance. paul ansel was speaking to five news lancashire say that they suspect the of two fell into the river wyre but no trace of her has been found. they're now focusing their search further downstream out towards the coast . despite this, mr. ansel says gut instinct tells them she did not into the river. personally, i'm 100% convinced it's , not the i'm 100% convinced it's, not the river. people don't just vanished into thin air. it's absolutely impossible. so something has happened. something has. find what it is. i want every house, every garage, every outbuilding . the garage, every outbuilding. the

land scrutinised . i want it all land scrutinised. i want it all searched. i want it all scrutinise . every piece of it . a scrutinise. every piece of it. a british drug dealer has been arrested . thailand, after a five arrested. thailand, after a five year hunt by the national crime . richard wakeling essex attempted to import. . richard wakeling essex attempted to import. £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2016. the 55 year old fled in 2008 before his trial began and was sentenced to 11 years in his absence. he remains in custody in thailand and extradition proceedings are underway and the coroner , an underway and the coroner, an emblem for king charles and the queen has been unveiled . it was queen has been unveiled. it was created by former apple designer sir jony ive . it features an sirjony ive. it features an image of st edward's crown, which will be used to crown monarch because it was inspired by the king's love of nature. the emblem also includes the rose of england, the thistle of scotland , the daffodil of wales scotland, the daffodil of wales and the shamrock of . northern

and the shamrock of. northern ireland. this is gb news will you? more news as it happens now. nine it is back to you . now. nine it is back to you. good afternoon . it's coming up good afternoon. it's coming up to 6 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv online on digital radio. i'm nana square. and for the next hour , me and my and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headunes the big topics, hitting the headlines right now. this show is all opinion. it's mine. it's theirs . of course it's yours. theirs. of course it's yours. we'll be debating it at times. we'll be debating it at times. we will disagree . no one will be we will disagree. no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy and also political commentator sam dowler to come. it's time for my difficult conversation section. according to the owner . knife crime to the owner. knife crime homicides have reached record highs across england and wales in the year to march 22. now

this comes as two men only today were stabbed in the early hours of this morning east london with one man later dying in hospital alison cope lost son to knife violence ten years ago. she feels be here to talk me through her and all her campaign work then for the great british debate this hour asking is it time to stop glamorising terror for malicious brides ? i mean, for malicious brides? i mean, the bacon is back in the spotlight following the release of a bbc document where she details her journey to syria . details her journey to syria. she, meanwhile, has been given a long watch platform to tell her story having joined a story despite having joined a desk cult. is it time to stop glamorising her? email gb views. or tweet me . gb news. and it or tweet me. gb news. and it time for this week's difficult conversation. the number of people killed with a knife in england, wales has reached its highest level since . the office highest level since. the office of national statistics records 77 years ago. now last year saw

a staggering 19% increase in knife crime. homicide that's compared to the year before with metropolitan areas accounting for the largest. now there were 282 murders, including involving a knife in the ultimate 2022. and this comes as two men today this morning stabbed in east london during the early hours. and one of them later died in hospital . alison cope's son, hospital. alison cope's son, joshua was killed in a knife attack a decade . and since then, attack a decade. and since then, she has become an anti—violence campaigner. been working tirelessly to prevent further tragedies from occurring . and tragedies from occurring. and alison joins me now now . alison, alison joins me now now. alison, thank you very much for joining me . talk to me about your me. talk to me about your i mean, this was ten years ago. so what happened ? him how old was what happened? him how old was he ? it would be ten years in he? it would be ten years in september. josh was 18 when he was fatally stopped. it was an event , a was fatally stopped. it was an event, a minor argument quickly

escalated into a fight and a young man carried , a knife for young man carried, a knife for protection out of fear . and he protection out of fear. and he stabbed joshua in the heart. and joshua died , 7 hours later, from joshua died, 7 hours later, from single stab wound . that must be single stab wound. that must be absolute horrendous for you to have to receive a call, i presume , tell you that your son presume, tell you that your son is injured . i mean, talk me is injured. i mean, talk me through what you going through . through what you going through. yeah, i. i actually received a knock on the door and it was one of the young people at the event who knew immediately to and get me and i just knew in my heart this was the beginning of the end. and i there's no really explain how horrific it is how traumatic it is and just the shock the trauma enables you to go through that process between say , oh, die surgery heart say, oh, die surgery heart attacks , open heart surgery, rib

attacks, open heart surgery, rib cage open. and then to know that your child has taken his last breath and you'll never, ever see again. and then you then go the next section of the reality of it , which the next section of the reality of it, which is the police , the of it, which is the police, the coroner's court, the funeral trial, and here we are now, ten years later and, you know, as we know, it's not getting better. it's actually getting horrendously worse time. i talk about this. so and what kind of about this. so and what kind of a boy was joshua? what he like? oh, he was quite . but i oh, he was quite. but i absolutely adored . but josh was absolutely adored. but josh was lucky . he was given the love lucky. he was given the love guidance and, support he needed to turn it round from being difficult to being a very successful music artist . you successful music artist. you know, i very, very proud of everything he achieved personally and within the music industry , you know, without

industry, you know, without investment into him as a little boy, he probably wouldn't have been able to turn it round the way he did. you know so as any mum . i was incredibly proud of mum. i was incredibly proud of josh . i was. i still am . and to josh. i was. i still am. and to be proud of your son is proud of his mistakes , his successes. so his mistakes, his successes. so do do you have any other children? i've got an older daughter, cheryl. so i've got an older daughter. knife crime has destroyed her life . don't with destroyed her life. don't with mine . the perpetrator and every mine. the perpetrator and every single person attached. so you know, my daughter is doing as well as she can to talk to me about your campaigning . since about your campaigning. since joshua died, you've turned your hand to sort of campaigning. this what's been what's it been like? what have you been doing and people sort of get and how can people sort of get involved , help some way? it's involved, help in some way? it's all it all started basically because a lot of young people were deeply affected . the loss were deeply affected. the loss of my son through the industry. so i realised was a real need to

support people that were suffering , who were dealing with suffering, who were dealing with trauma because i found it really hard to express emotions positively . so that's how it positively. so that's how it started . and with my sons started. and with my sons inspirational life story, devasted i think death, a lot of people were listening and it's just developed from a couple of conversations to over a million young people nationally i speech about 4000 young people a week across the whole of the uk and you know i speak to young people i ask their opinion about knife and it is horrendous absolutely horrendous what we see see i've delivered to hundreds of primary school children this week and the perception of knife crime is that they leave school when they get to catch a bus, when they walk down a road, their life is risk. and we know the number one reason for carrying a knife is fear. and got an entire country of scared children and i'm i find it so frustrated that

millions of pounds has been invested introduce knife crime but nobody's being held accountable for the fact that it isn't reducing knife crime and yet we continually pump money into it and it still isn't having reduction . so why why is having reduction. so why why is no body actually having look at that so many millions has gone up in smoke it's frustrating to know that there is somebody at home maybe listening to this programme, a mum , a dad, programme, a mum, a dad, a sister, a brother who's little . sister, a brother who's little. a little girl is going to be bleeding out on the floor next week . it's bleeding out on the floor next week. it's just bleeding out on the floor next week . it's just the question week. it's just the question that so . yeah, i mean, it's that so. yeah, i mean, it's a vengeance. i mean, there was the incident, the youth, the young people seem to be so ferocious. i mean there was the that girl who was attacked outside a school. the day. i mean, what do you think potentially? i mean, that was just awful. people were watching standing punching and also we can't talk about it too much because it's coming under.

but do you think then harsher punishments might deter the criminals? what do you think could be done to stop this awful ? we have to take a real back here and, you know, again, find out why we're ignoring what people are saying, because the governments have report after report after report as read. oh, yes , terrible. and then we've yes, terrible. and then we've continually the same mistakes the it's something you said about the piece of news that you'll be covering after glamorisation are young people scared ? why are young people scared? why are young people feeling that there's no other choice? why do young people feel it's acceptable to film fights to get into online arguments, the glamour ization of youth violence . we have sold young violence. we have sold young people a dream very successfully talking to us. why act in a certain way be scared. be frightened and be filmed? well you're being beaten up when

you're being beaten up when you're being beaten up when you're being hurt because you will give you money. and there influences his views have them money but we need to take a step back here and see what it . yes back here and see what it. yes there will always be gangs. yes, there will always be gangs. yes, there will always be gangs. yes, there will always be drugs . and there will always be drugs. and i think the police are doing exceptionally good job when they aware of things like that. but they're not doing a good job. controlling is the amount of glamorisation make a young person think it's acceptable speak in a certain way. acting a certain way. film this way and to know that there's a there's a high chance that if they do carry a knife, that they probably won't get more. if they do caught, the consequence do get caught, the consequence is a very inconsistent . they is a very inconsistent. they know probation, they know people. they've got a following. they know people that just slap on the wrist of me and i've said this , let's say it's just to this, let's say it's just to your right about that. and now i just want to finally touch on you've created an air of your son, is that right.

you've created an air of your son, is that right . yeah, well, son, is that right. yeah, well, why does this really why . lots why does this really why. lots and lots of money is being invested into knife crime and i to try my absolute to reach more young people than can reach as an individual so lots of discussion lots of hard work three years in the making and it is i of son it's called deep technology talking his own murder and it is and it makes it sort of scary it's age appropriate but makes people stop in their tracks and think, oh, gosh. and what is making young people in their tracks? because you know what they're seeing. a lot of it isn't real. they don't believe the consequences to their anymore. no more people so and so i wanted something that really kind stopped them and made them just take a step back for a second think oh my gosh and moment thought could the

moment thought could be the difference leaving the difference between leaving the house with a knife or choosing not to it's happening to big impact but honest enough to ask you then so are you is this some part of the campaign that people can get involved in if there is do you have a website or something or is that you working on a set campaign where people can get in touch you? can get in touch with you? because we're running of because we're running out of time, i want to make sure we get people contact me on people people contact me on a—list koepka . the last thing a—list koepka. the last thing i would just want to say any or grandparent this . one grandparent watching this. one question everyone . percentage of question everyone. percentage of teenagers carry a weapon if your child answers anything 2% they're scared reassure them find what they're scared of and you will have the to youth violence . alison, it's been such violence. alison, it's been such a pleasure talking to thank you so much all your hard work keep going well behind you as always and cope love it so sorry you couldn't make it into the studio. she's the anti violence campaigner. lovely to talk to you. alison cope. so

you. that's alison cope. so tuned it is coming up to 17 minutes after 5:00. if you just join me on a queer. we're live on tv and the digital radio up it's on tv and the digital radio up wsfime on tv and the digital radio up it's time for our great but just to make i'm asking is it time stop glamorising terror for my eyes especially show me the bacon is the spotlight once more that's following the release of a bbc documentary, smooth begins to it, a large platform to tell her story, despite it having joined the death . so is it time joined the death. so is it time we stopped glamorising this without it that don't go anywhere .

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british debate. so i'm asking, is it time to stop glamorising ? is it time to stop glamorising? terror for us has brought to me the bacon. she's actually in the spotlight again. that's following the release of a bbc documentary where she details a journey to syria and deep regret for her actions on tv. shamima fled east london back in 2015 to join the terror organisation and as a teenager alongside , two as a teenager alongside, two others now supporters claim that she was groomed by isis while others would dump her as a traitor and knowingly and willingly a death cult. not only has she had a documentary and a podcast , but she's recently podcast, but she's recently featured on the front cover of the times . so featured on the front cover of the times. so mean it seems to be receiving a lot of publicity despite being a former us price for the great. but debate. so i'm asking is time that we stop glamorising terror. i'm asking is time that we stop glamorising terror . well, i'm glamorising terror. well, i'm joined now by filmmaker journalist drury. and reality tv star and commentator narinder kaur. star and commentator narinder kaur . right. i'm going to start kaur. right. i'm going to start with you , andrew. now, you have with you, andrew. now, you have met remember we spoke a little ago. we did talk to me about

what you thought about it at the beginning and what your emotions were towards the end of your relationship with that. when i first met or really liked she , i first met or really liked she, i felt sorry for i thought my first thoughts were she was groomed trafficked groomed and she was trafficked over there. so the age of 12 or so i read what was in the so and i read what was in the press and then it bit by bit little things that she said to me, i more and more negative towards what she said. i think . towards what she said. i think. i think one of the big one i think we mentioned the babies and i couldn't understand how she could lose three kids and she could lose three kids and she was okay with it and she was over that she i'm over that over that she said i'm over that now been saying that now and i've been saying that to sort be, you know, sometimes say i'm you know as she i'm over that you know as if she was yeah shoot you was it. yeah i mean shoot you know, without a doubt. i mean, when with somebody, you when you sit with somebody, you really know them. you know, she was it, right? and she was over it, right? and then she and she and then there was a change. she started was started to apologise. she was felt guilty for she had felt guilty for what she had done or she was. and in done or she said she was. and in the end she was like, oh, not with me. i says, i'm with me. i says, you know, i'm sorry i'm not that sorry about it. i'm not that sorry about it. i'm not that sorry of yeah, i mean, she was

talking, she was saying basically wasn't sorry for what she'd done she was become a victim . so changed victim. so she changed from being sorry and then being saying sorry and then becoming and then she becoming a victim and then she categorised by this categorised herself by this book. got to me asked him for guantanamo diaries so she actually a book or an actually wanted a book or an instruction book to look at, say, you know, because he was a victim himself. so she was using the book as a guidebook. course women defend herself . women is not defend herself. that's because in prison. that's because she's in prison. nannder that's because she's in prison. narinder well, i tell you , the narinder well, i tell you, the thing is, though, andrew, you've got advantage you actually got the advantage you actually know can , though. the press know you can, though. the press has years demonising her. has spent years demonising her. it's not glamorising . we're it's not glamorising. we're actually just seeing the other side that we desperately needed to see. and i'd say this bbc documentary , it will so that documentary, it will be so that we didn't know before. you know, i one i don't know andrew , a i one i don't know andrew, a little discussion outside every day . there was so little discussion outside every day. there was so many questions at of the day we at the end of the day what we agree on the girl was 15 years old. she was groomed online by older men whose child she was groomed . she was told into

groomed. she was told into andrew , she's 50. how did she andrew, she's 50. how did she get to syria ? how well my you get to syria? how well my you through question what i can i can tell you how out of that firstly she wasn't groomed she saw the documentary they she said she saw this one video of in a park where she showed the park. this is a famous one we all know about it. she said that was only thing she saw then. she said about isis when said she knew about isis when she a she was 15, which is not a nonsense because to nonsense because she went to join islamic state . and there join islamic state. and there was girl called shamima, was another girl called shamima, which she was also . and they had which she was also. and they had this little talk she had she knew exactly what she was doing. you can tell you've got you can tell me. you've got a computer. you're going to computer. you're not going to look sister , 15, look up. my sister, 15, my daughters died. and you daughters have died. and you know easily influenced they know how easily influenced they are. they're impressionable, are. they're so impressionable, joy. and think joy. nice and you think she's changing her mind? we're entitled to change our mind . entitled to change our mind. nothing i change nothing wrong with our. i change my you she's my mind. and you said she's vain. so i can be vanity. she's pale. the vanity is not the issue is she? she's going to be like this said the vanity is not the issue is how we use her for

at the moment when you saw that times did that not make you because you i think when did you did it make you sick. yes no, no, actually, no. did you not of the victims of when she said manchester a bombing was justified, just. you justified, it was just. you don't that magazine cover don't think that magazine cover could showed one of the could have showed one of the girls it the bomb girls reflect it by the bomb involved? shamima involved? no, because shamima begum a benign man. but she begum is a benign man. but she do was scrutinised, do that. she was scrutinised, she was a radicalised . you have she was a radicalised. you have ihave she was a radicalised. you have i have some sympathy by the people on mean the attacker also had things like the police the air force and a letter saying actually she's at risk. how do you know she didn't go by shamima begum at risk of being radical why would the police and that and then even do nothing about it. the police said nothing it they knew she was at risk. so when she was there, why did not to she did she not try to leave? she tried she said that in tried to leave. she said that in this i. i spent a this documentary i. i spent a lot longer josh stayed there this documentary i. i spent a lot longerjosh stayed there and i know really because the messages we carried on having a relationship outside the camp i

knew what she's doing weekly . knew what she's doing weekly. she never once tried to escape and he never said that in the documentary she did say that she said once . so you saying said never once. so you saying that deprived by right that a child deprived by right and she's not an this and that she's not an i spy this whole well whole image of this. well i suspect child bride sex. well okay hold on. she could just walk out the house but girls did escape. the person that she went off to see was from us. this wasn't she wasn't this also that would realise pride. would make him realise pride. that's this is 15 years old that's why this is 15 years old law that makes her a child. okay, but. but it makes it sexy. she might maybe, but she may have married this guy. he's have married this guy. so he's within two weeks of getting that he. irrelevant no he. well, that's irrelevant no ten he's made is ten days. but he's made is correct. she she's nice surprise. she a child so she was part of the abroad. she lived with an armour but she said she never knew was an armour. that's a because she told me she a lie because she told me she knew was, kind she knew what she was, what kind she told a lie to. so told me that was a lie to. so she she lived with the armour . she she lived with the armour. said a quiet guy. he said he was a quiet guy. he wasn't he would have had wasn't quite he would have had all the major figures, he all the major figures, isis. he was armour . so all the major figures, isis. he was armour. so that his was the armour. so that was his fear when . she said comes

fear when. she said this comes you inches the conversation there's because i think in there's fear because i think in there's fear because i think in the window far does that fear okay so your 15th piece if you think the fear you've left of perfect safe environment you've gone off somewhere create fear for yourself . now you're there. for yourself. now you're there. you are afraid you would be. but all of this is about fear. and then fear that she's put into others. so think what we're leading to is the fact that we thinking about the perpetrator than the victims. what about the victims to what about talk more talk to me about the horse. and victims to what about talk more of course, could talk about the victims . of course, could talk about the victims. none of that we are viewing and i'm asking you to talk about the victims talk to me about the victims because you're saying about me. so let's see if so i'm sorry. let's see if the other the other side what about the victim. dreadful. it's victim. it's dreadful. it's horrible. have full horrible. and we have full sympathy for cause do. sympathy for that cause we do. but we're talking shamima. shamima at the end of the shamima begum at the end of the day is living no, she's not without fault . she is not. without fault. she is not. whether she's not innocent we know the right let a british judge judge on that why she this can why should you she said no,

no, but that's not the point . if no, but that's not the point. if i'm citizen, i and i'm a british citizen, i and i commit a crime in america where do i serve time ? well, where do do i serve time? well, where do i serve time well? where do i serve time well? what if i commit a crime ? i know that commit a crime? i know that she's of the same title . she she's of the same title. she can't live in a simple question . i'm a british citizen. i go to america. i break the law because i want where do i spend time ? i want where do i spend time? because they've got that america. but you got that? no law in the tent and in my future no law she does she goes on to tell you that your limitation about the subject . there is about the subject. there is a law she's under the sdf which is syrian defence forces law. she has been held there and she will go trial there. they have a judicial system and she could serve all that you do. i think is fair. why do you not think she as a british citizen, he was underage girl should be tried here if there's any evidence of any wrongdoing in this because you've asked society about before you think she there's

evidence of her joining the hezbollah which is a religious priest that means that she would have control women's having the head scarf . son there's have control women's having the head scarf. son there's a possibility she's so serious i've now i've been to the stadium where those vests were shown and i've been to shown on and i've been to refugee where facts , refugee camps where the facts, suicide vests. and if she's guilty whether guilty, that no matter whether she groomed or she that. she was groomed or she did that. so you've to be careful so you've got to be careful on how when she's guilty how far when she's guilty because she's been tried a court of justice where they propose the evidence the evidence has been presented and she's lost a citizenship i'd say citizenship for it. so i'd say she's because what she's guilty because that's what she's guilty because that's what she do any she is. but you do not feel any sympathy . actually, she was 15 sympathy. actually, she was 15 and she was groomed by and groomed. she was groomed by her 13, 13, because my grown so chill. she said she looked at a video. there was no grown and spoke to a 50. my daughter would never just open for anything. she joined isis no course , not she joined isis no course, not because i keep saying calling men going is for not your daughter, but not this girl. because my daughter are girls advantages made bakam advantages that made bakam didn't mean this was not the

thing. what advantage ? what thing. what advantage? what advantages you maybe have that she had no advantages. she look the family upbringing you've got to look at know the family history what about family upbringing. up in tough upbringing. she grew up in tough hamlet she hamlet. she didn't feel like she belonged documents belonged in the documents because watch a lot of because i didn't watch a lot of notes watch lot lot of notes racism watch a lot lot of ihave notes racism watch a lot lot of i have you joined isis? no from me from newcastle let's talk about this racism right because you've brought racism into you've brought the racism into it. i sat and spoke an hour on racism to her and i said to her, why did you do we did you have race? you have racist against you for school? she said, i won little i about little girl. when i was about six she no racist six or seven, she had no racist issues at so that's issues at all. so that's nonsense . and that documentary, nonsense. and that documentary, that's story that josh and that's a new story that josh and i played that she was led to that answer to andrew do you think therefore she should just stay in this camp in this tent for the rest of her life ? she's for the rest of her life? she's british. she's living a better life ones the life than the ones in the refugee who've nowhere refugee camp who've got nowhere conditioning. child, child . then conditioning. child, child. then she's got three children by the other women. she was sex. well,

she's will respond whether she's i will respond whether she's i will respond whether she's british in that she's no go and not a british do come back as well. why is she being a poster go? why she is made to make an example, don't you think? listen, first of all, i don't in the wash she should be on of any newspapers. on the front of any newspapers. but posting at but i want to be any posting at all, so i think that's wrong. full stop. mean, andrew full stop. but i mean, andrew does a point. see, the does make a good point. see, the points opinion because points are his opinion because he's know points are his opinion because he'shaven't know points are his opinion because he'shaven't met know points are his opinion because he'shaven't met now. know points are his opinion because he'shaven't met now. so ;now points are his opinion because he'shaven't met now. so he's you haven't met now. so he's giving you he's got an advantage. he's you his judgement based on what he says and andrew doesn't come across to fooled. to me as somebody who's fooled. no the beginning. i no i put he was the beginning. i watched doubt . but watched him without doubt. but then doesn't then that still doesn't take away personal opinions about away his personal opinions about you. might meet the you. maybe i might meet with the shadow but doesn't mean shadow like a but doesn't mean that away. well he's that we throw away. well he's our to take her while . our problem to take her while. she our problem because she our problem there because she in britain she was born in britain a british citizenship british citizen citizenship should never have been revoked. none that a minister make it. none of that a minister make it. and was actually very, very and that was actually very, very dangerous because it sets a precedent. the question isn't it? let's not a human rights is not a gift . andrew, i would

not a gift. andrew, i would finish this off. not a gift. andrew, i would finish this off . want you to finish this off. want you to take this off with your take on this. you say this. well, what do you say about the whole whole situation . i don't think she can ever come because. could come back because. she could bnng come back because. she could bring down. think bring a government down. i think the that she's had, the poster stuff that she's had, if this country if she got back to this country now , with our image, you saw in now, with our image, you saw in that magazine and i think that times magazine and i think whoever put that on should be questioned. personally , questioned. i think personally, i she should i still believe that she should be possibly , but i be tried here possibly, but i don't think she'll get option. i think she'll be tried in syria within the next few months because i think that would be the first issue she'll do 20 the first issue and she'll do 20 years and just to create something actually prison years and just to create so the hing actually prison years and just to create so the momentactually prison years and just to create so the moment .:tually prison years and just to create so the moment. nonlly prison years and just to create so the moment. no she's prison years and just to create so the moment. no she's pristhe at the moment. no she's not the camp so i'm better camp so i'm in a better condition than people in refugee and you be prison your child was there they my child by there if they my child by someone child not you know do someone my child not you know do everything to get that person i mean that parents mean i'm not that parents haven't anything to get back my parents. well exactly look at the haven't you have the background haven't you have you give the family. she's got no with her. well maybe no one. she with her. well maybe they you can't say that. i feel i feel . oh, no. paris. well i feel. oh, no. paris. well

don't know. i think she's had a ashamed of her because a sister doesn't want to talk to that she said because issues of embarrassment being involved with a she did i. asked if i wanted to send a message to her mum she said, no, i don't mum and she said, no, i don't want talk to my mum. i'll say want to talk to my mum. i'll say this, and of course those this, my mum and of course those people aren't there to, defend themselves. not enough to confirm appreciate the confirm that, but appreciate the thoughts really good to talk much. it's really good to talk to you. excellent. to you and thank you. excellent. thank so much their. thank you so much for their. so what your i mean, what do what are your i mean, what do you in touch or tweet you think? get in touch or tweet me at gb views. you are with me. i'm with this is tv news where? live on tv online and on digital radio. coming up, we will continue this great british debate. and i'm asking , is it debate. and i'm asking, is it time glamorising terror? time to stop glamorising terror? you know, thoughts of my you know, the thoughts of my panel broadcaster columnist panel broadcaster and columnist lizzie , also political lizzie cundy, also political commentator . first, commentator sam downer. first, let's get latest news let's get your latest news headunes. let's get your latest news headlines . nana, thank you. good headlines. nana, thank you. good afternoon . this is the latest afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the home secretary has what she described

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gb news. good afternoon. if you just in this is a gp news on tv online and on digital radio. i've done and on digital radio. i've done a quick it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. and it's time now for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it time stop glamorising terror now for what i suspect you the bacon is in the spotlight once again. that's following her release of a bbc where she details her journey . where she details herjourney. syria and expresses deep regret, scars, kidney loss, better for her actions . now scars, kidney loss, better for her actions. now swimmer fled east london in 2015 to join the terror organisation as a teenagen terror organisation as a teenager. that's alongside others. supporters claim that she was groomed by isis whilst put her as a traitor who knowingly and willingly joined a death cult. so for the british debate this hour, i'm asking is it time to stop glamorising terror? well, let me see what my panel of that. i'm joined now by lizzie cundy and also sam dowler

. okay. so i'm going to start with you first glamorising terror . with you first glamorising terror. she's on the front with you first glamorising terror . she's on the front cover terror. she's on the front cover of the times magazine . she's had of the times magazine. she's had a podcast, the bbc, a series. i mean, it's i am i not that much out of the bbc in a lot to remain like i reiterate your previous guest alison pope about glamorising knife crime glamorising knife crime glamorising terrorism obviously is appalling and knife crime in this country is out of control. but i think in this in this i bought documentary and it isn't glamorising however at all it isn't saying like she's some sort of like, you know, a victim but she but she talks about like obviously was so naive and she went there at 15 and she says that she didn't even believe of any the any like the any of the any of the like the murder out and murder videos of going out and she know that she felt she you know that she felt isolated she felt she felt she wanted to be western but but like a you but she was know like a you but she was you know she racism in her she experienced racism in her and comes from poor and she comes from poor background as so i mean, background as well. so i mean, like a human being like she's still a human being at the day and like at the end of the day and like

and while one i do agree with her victims. be yeah well know her victims. be yeah well i know but she does she doesn't have any victims herself. she any actual victims herself. she didn't do well . the writing didn't do well. the writing herself don't about that herself we don't know about that they do. yeah. so it's not fair for that. but then she for me to say that. but then she wouldn't that awaiting wouldn't be in that awaiting trial for nothing. well, but trial for nothing. well, no, but she. said also said she. but she also said also said that she got there, like, that when she got there, like, you the you know, then she saw the videos was bit like, oh my videos and was a bit like, oh my god, i can't believe this is happening thing sort happening sort of thing and sort of go along with it of maybe had to go along with it because go because maybe she didn't go along murdered. along that she'd been murdered. so, this is there's so, i mean, this is there's so many whole story, i many nuances, the whole story, i think. think, you know, think. i think, you know, i think. i think, you know, i think it is in public, hence think it is in the public, hence the it for. i the bbc have done it for. i don't i don't i think it's an story and i want to know i want to know why she went there what we can do in this country what she's just told this happening. i didn't know what she doing i didn't know what she was doing apparently she's apparently lizzie. well she's but traitor . she's a terrorist but a traitor. she's a terrorist and she shouldn't be. we haven't been telling sam this . this girl been telling sam this. this girl at the age of 15, an intelligent girl , she knew what she was girl, she knew what she was doing. she wasn't going behind

the shed, having a cigarette. she in isis, a death cult is on full, capable. and i'm sorry , full, capable. and i'm sorry, she is paying the price for her actions. every action has a consequence. and i have no sorrow. one bit for her and am disgusted with that are giving her a platform i think it's absolutely . a to everyone. it's absolutely. a to everyone. it's absolutely. a to everyone. it's a cautionary to the victims. it the victims of manchester to leave rigby and his family how disgusting and the bbc should be ashamed of themselves for giving platform and i felt sick to the stomach sitting on the front cover sick the stomach the shame on them what is it i mean look the issue here is more to say that they are putting it on a not a pedestal but putting them. i mean, look, i never been on the front of the times magazine and i'm i'm mean, i should be i've not been on the front cover that nobody's i've written an honest nobody's honest documentary nobody's written i'm sure written my documentary i'm sure i'm why oh is

i'm very interesting why oh is this person getting so much attention in this way when actually they're on trial at the moment in a camp in syria because of the effect that they may well have created? that's what i'm saying. why should this be on that cover? it's because it is. it is. you know. it is a scary topic. we all remember it. we all remember it when. they went when they went missing, etc. like and people want to know her motivation and why i don't why didn't know. i want to know she is hard luck you as know she is a hard luck you as i just said it is a cautionary tale and so people can maybe watch it and see because i've watched the documentary and there's nothing that makes anybody oh , she did a anybody think, oh, she did a good like it a good good thing or like it a good idea it looks fun. i mean, idea or it looks fun. i mean, any kind of way at all. it was okay. so, okay, so you to okay. so, okay, so you want to write this this could be write about this this could be something that could be written write about this this could be som a hing that could be written write about this this could be som a hing thidden ld be written write about this this could be som a hing thidden somewhere.| and a thing hidden somewhere. people they can people want to search. they can find the find it well, questioning is the reasoning to put that on the front cover . it's insensitive to front cover. it's insensitive to the people who have suffered as

a result something that she a result of something that she may have participated in. yeah it's bit it's one of it's also a bit it's one of these things that could actually encourage incite others it encourage incite others to do it because think, oh, i because they think, oh, i know i've something could end i've done something i could end up cover of a newspaper . up on the cover of a newspaper. i saying that from this i am saying that from this perspective, the where i'm looking at done something looking at it you done something bad. okay by all means. people write but write about it, but you shouldn't be on cover. you shouldn't be on cover. you shouldn't employer shouldn't have your employer shouldn't have said, look at my point, what message is that sending to others? exactly. exactly i'm just because she was baseball need baseball hat and put up. i need to westernise myself, you mean. but but in today's day and age , but but in today's day and age, today's social media age, for example, i think like for example, i think like for example, like, i mean, it's not past of to think that past the realms of to think that it be on celebrity big it should be on celebrity big brother when that goes well brother like when that goes well that's the problem the problem. so but this is i think this is a very case because so it's very case because it was so it's so massive in the press and it's still massive in the now. still massive in the press now. so makes so therefore that makes it relevant she's national relevant. but she's a national security and she stood up. that was great. she's still a pariah. and no one said that she should come back to this country. all this shouldn't this she shouldn't face trial,

because think if because i think and i think if she this she did come back to this country, face charges country, she should face charges . do we where is it . but where do we where is it that who's that you somebody who's potentially criminal, getting a frank cover, getting their own documentary and getting a podcast ? why? i'm just i just podcast? why? i'm just i just don't i don't i don't get this know this is not somebody who if you want to write about them write about them but they don't get the front cover. they don't get the front cover. they don't get podcast. don't get a get a podcast. don't get a documentary. they certainly don't get it from something. aren't paying a fee towards it. actually aren't paying a fee towards it. act|paying it. i know. does she are paying it. i know. does she have a does have a pr executive just like where he's managing this well that's this working with well that's the thing i think anyone's the whole thing i think anyone's looking who looking as andrew drury who you've before with adele you've had on before with adele notes that says notes and things that she says in the documentary, lies the competitors he has to, competitors like what he has to, you know , i don't know, but you know, i don't know, but we're sick of phoney lies. i certainly . and how dare the bbc certainly. and how dare the bbc give platform honestly. and as you said, nana how disrespectful to victims . in interviewing to the victims. in interviewing like a multiple murderer jeremy like a multiple murdererjeremy people she should be told the netflix documentary about

jeffrey dahmer. yeah but it's of interested in that so fair enough but i don't really agree with that either. but he's not on the front cover of a newspaper and everyone's talking about it, gets it on podcast, a documentary. it just it just to me work that me it doesn't work out that way. i might argue that it i mean, they might argue that it could people doing i mean, they might argue that it corbut people doing i mean, they might argue that it corbut i people doing i mean, they might argue that it corbut i would people doing i mean, they might argue that it corbut i would arguee doing i mean, they might argue that it corbut i would argue that doing it, but i would argue that actually i a found actually seeing i fancy a found coverage , know, me that's coverage, you know, to me that's is the wrong i felt sick to my stomach . what is it about her stomach. what is it about her retribution that the goal you're so biased it's about getting back the uk but it's just i nothing without you in your let's welcome some of our great british let's see what they think about the topic we're think about the topic that we're discussing got four discussing today i've got four of them that start with miranda richardson not the miranda richardson not the miranda richardson i, i know that richardson though i, i know that i'm going to miranda, what i'm going to say. miranda, what do you think? and how you do it? i'm thank talk to me all i'm good. thank talk to me all week rosie on who is week long. rosie on who is missing this complaint. oh, i missing on this complaint. oh, i it's that we are it's absolutely that we are allowing this platform to continue , you know , we don't continue, you know, we don't need to see her, don't need to

know anything. she's and committed apparently a way when it goes to trial some horrendous action is the way she's behaved this event this why do we even need to know about it? i don't even know. so we don't on a cover of magazine. thank goodness if this whole whole aspect of this you know she was i know 15 year old girls i was a 50 girl girl. you know, if you're naive, you don't go and join isis because you're probably a little bit scared, a little bit upset . i'm with you. little bit upset. i'm with you. this is going i have to go to jonathan jones now in cornwall now. no, i think it's but i choose to talk to the to media terrorist because , you know, i terrorist because, you know, i know why they glamorise general scallywags because it gets us anxious and you know talking about them and watching the media conspiring to new more newspapers get that but this is different and that's the war on terror is finished now i haven't heard if it has , then she's the heard if it has, then she's the enemy. why are we talking about the and giving them the

the enemy and giving them the oxygen publicity? i think churchill right . he when churchill had it right. he when the on nana , he said, the war was on nana, he said, the war was on nana, he said, the thing have the only thing you have to stockpile t okay, there are a few other things, one the few other things, but one of the main you see, i ought to main things you see, i ought to get it with a t before you get out of the right. let's go to levi. levi because our bedford lee and i know i'm busy, i'm disgusted with this generalisation of shamima and we're a nation that appears to be coddling or not they are terrorists and giving them civil i you know i only hold this made here and things like this i think this is a nudge nudge to prepare us for her coming back . prepare us for her coming back. we got remember with this terrorism we should be prosecuting them and should never be so like allowing them out once if they atrocities and i think she has we are a country also right we've just put soldier field courts and prosecute and two weeks ago for his story allegations in northern ireland while given

terrorists. that is a say in northern ireland which will never be prosecute. so we need to stop make means stop like a program is about some of these veterans are being taken the courts in northern ireland. well i'm in the off season she was the case is all the same but i sort of get your point that you're making my loss. let's get to boehm, who's in to david boehm, who's there in watford. david good afternoon, everyone . i agree with everybody everyone. i agree with everybody . but actually what is interesting is the glamorisation and the of cimino that began the moment was found in a camp the people that found her had their own agenda to try do that they want to stop this happened having a situation removed so they make it glamorous that make a list naive young girl who didn't know what she doing except according to the far left they for girls and boys through marriage at 16 because hey they're adults they know they're doing if you know what you're doing if you know what you're doing three girls took themselves off to syria with

sole intention of joining isis. get married, have and unfortunately she lost babies. i'm sorry. sorry for her manchester a lot more parents lost more children people died on efforts . say, what do you on efforts. say, what do you mean she i mean she wasn't involved with the things but i hear what you're saying, david. but we're running out of time. good to talk that's good to talk to you. that's david watford david bob in london, watford even in jonathan in even lay in jonathan in cornwall. brother in cornwall. lost a brother in northamptonshire. of northamptonshire. a lot of people saying she's been groomed. i you let's see groomed. i mean, you let's see what what the bbc is saying because before we move on, the bbc said in bbc have previously said in relation providing stewart bacon bbc have previously said in replatform)viding stewart bacon bbc have previously said in replatform to ding stewart bacon bbc have previously said in replatform to air] stewart bacon bbc have previously said in replatform to air herewart bacon bbc have previously said in replatform to air her story bacon a platform to air her story there different ways to tell this with bacon that's the one about 15 year old school girl who was filmed and led to a war zone by isis and now needs saving from the syrian camp . and saving from the syrian camp. and there's the one about a traitor who fled britain britain who fled britain and britain to join became known the join isis and became known the world over as a terrorist and must coming back must be stopped from coming back to challenges

to britain. as we challenges the removal of a person's citizenship by the uk government , examined accounts , i've examined their accounts to us definitive narrative to give us definitive narrative on complex nuanced and on this complex nuanced and shocking story . so that is with shocking story. so that is with regard to a podcast. i think that particular comment, of course, that is the other side , course, that is the other side, the but it's time the argument. but now it's time for quiz. that's the for a quick quiz. that's the part the show , my test my part of the show, my test my panel on the other panel on some of the other hitting right now hitting the headlines right now . i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist cundy lizzie columnist lizzie cundy lizzie fletcher. lovely. i'm fletcher. buzzer lovely. i'm political commentator sam dowling. please pardon me , dowling. please pardon me, please play along at home. question one which popular tv show is potentially going to be taught to university students ? taught to university students? is it a the apprentice? be happy valley or see the oh, someday i'll let you in on happy valley because i have . or do you think because i have. or do you think no one's going to go for the apprentice? i will go for the tees valley. it is happy valley was on. yes. bbc drama had was on. yes. the bbc drama had 7.5 million people tuned into the finale , is described the finale, which is described as breaking and incredibly as mode breaking and incredibly unique writing . okay. do the

unique in writing. okay. do the any of you watch it? or no? any of you watch it? yes. or no? no really want to see that? i'm going to catch up now. i don't think i'll be watching that question to one pensioner in brazil to be the brazil is claiming to be the world's . how old world's oldest man. but how old does casey's does he claim to be? casey's wins? lucy 109 in 17. i know the answer sounded . 20 to tune in answer sounded. 20 to tune in someday. someone that's older than me who ? the brazilian than me who? the brazilian pensioner claims that he was born in 1901 at 30 grandchildren 16. great he even had a great grandchild. oh, yes . question grandchild. oh, yes. question three the thing sounds appeared on the front cover of perfect dunng on the front cover of perfect during wet hills and laundry, but what did they caption as was a honey sam bee honey bunny or see, i eat milky ball kid . i'm see, i eat milky ball kid. i'm going to go to lizzie because you first your positive naughty naughty uncle for b how did you principles with i'm not quite sure i don't they you know do

you think is the big i want to say honey raised in some that's a let's see your road is a sam's plane so far . yes i think i saw plane so far. yes i think i saw some of it. lizzie, what did you think? so briefly that the video was a good bad, ugly, terrible good for them? i think i think that pushing the boundaries in they're doing a great job. oh if it been done oh five plus it hasn't been done oh five plus one royal mail stamps one for the royal mail stamps will feature king charles will not feature king charles wearing a crown drop out some tree it in fact true what done have crikey the new stamp will not feature a crown or any pictures is the king wants to keep the design simple your final question question for how did one man in dawn get at a driver for parking a car too close to his door to the a painted the car pink be out auction for a seat built a scaffold the car lizzie come i'd love to go for a nice because i don't know the answer but i think it's that build scaffold around car all it sees the around the car all it sees the car my god the queen speaks down

to simon little place briefly that you've ever parked . oh gosh that you've ever parked. oh gosh i'm the most worst part. i think just outside . not inside . just outside. not inside. quickly. oh, i've parked and i've ruined my car driving over like a bollard and all sorts terrible thing. but it's on stage. i've been asking, should we bring back compulsory national service? according to our 65% our twitter poll, 65% of you said 35% of you said no. said yes. 35% of you said no. wow thank you so much to my panel broadcast from college, lizzie, candy, lizzie, thank very much. and also focus on political commentator . sandel political commentator. sandel thank much, sam , and thank you very much, sam, and thank you for your thank you to you for your company. back discuss company. i'll be back to discuss the in broadcast the top stories in broadcast author christine and author christine hamilton and broadcast from journalist danny kelly. the kelly. i'll leave you with the weather. hello there. i'm weather. enjoy. hello there. i'm jonathan bawtry here with the latest weather updates from the met you enjoying met office. are you enjoying weekend? it has been a weekend? so far it has been a fairly settled and dry one for many of us that is thanks many of us and that is thanks to high centred high pressure that is centred across continental and across continental europe and stretching its into uk, stretching its way into the uk, keeping those fronts at bay to the there is a bit more of a squeeze in the ice bars across

parts of scotland. so it is breezier here underneath high pressure there is a pressure centre there there is a fair cloud that fair amount of cloud and that will with us the evening will stay with us the evening and nights a few breaks are and over nights a few breaks are possible think particularly for parts of northeast scotland into parts of northeast scotland into parts later on it's parts of wales later on it's here where temperatures will drop down a bit more overnight. down low, single figures a frost and some fog are possible where we hold onto the cloud for vast majority, it will stay frost free around 7 to 6 degrees celsius into tomorrow. the cloud is going to stay place, particularly for southeastern areas of england. so it will be in of a fairly grey and drab day here . but the breeze picking up here. but the breeze picking up across the western areas will allow a few more breaks . that allow a few more breaks. that cloud for of south—west cloud for parts of south—west england , northern and england, northern ireland and into northern areas of england and as so where do you and scotland as so where do you get your and those get those than your and those mild temperatures ten degrees celsius. it will be relatively pleasant into the overnight penod. pleasant into the overnight period . we'll continue to see period. we'll continue to see more of that cloud up. so perhaps an increase chance of some frost now across parts of

scotland, northern england, as we into the early hours of monday morning and again, the risk of some fog are possible as well the cloud, though, going to stay in place for areas in the southeast as we start off the new working week high pressure keeping things relatively settled though throughout monday but as we move throughout the week that is going to start shifting its way off to the east and that will some weather and that will allow some weather to move their way from to move their way in from the west. get to west. by the time we get to wednesday, could more wednesday, we could see bit more rain across the rain moving in across the western but temperatures western areas. but temperatures staying relatively mild the time of year . that's it for now. of year. that's it for now. enjoy the rest of your weekend andifs enjoy the rest of your weekend and it's thursday on gb news bev turner today from , 10 am. we're turner today from, 10 am. we're going to be here for you gb news family to keep up to date but also make smile. the guy went from puberty to adultery and i can't wait to . bring a few of my can't wait to. bring a few of my own opinion. i have time for cultural totalitarian will engagein cultural totalitarian will engage in passion but always polite debate with your thoughts

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