good evening. you're welcome. along to neil oliver live on gb views tv and on radio. tonight on the show i'll be talking about how smear campaigns are used as attacked to discredit people after earthquakes cause heartbreak and devastation in turkey and in syria . we'll meet turkey and in syria. we'll meet the self—described researcher, an expert who's a part of prediction of the disaster has sparked controversy. we'll be assessing whether there is any credible issue at all behind the veteran journalist seymour hersh is headlined dropping claim that

the us bombed the nord stream pipeline . plus, as always, often pipeline. plus, as always, often tastic, great britain and plenty of chat with my panellists tom barrett and henri paul. but first, an update on the latest news from tatyana sanchez . neal, news from tatyana sanchez. neal, thank you very much . good thank you very much. good evening. at 6:00. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the home secretary has condemned what she describes lived as the appalling disorder during protests outside a hotel housing migrants in knowsley on friday, suella braverman tweeted that the alleged behaviour of some asylum seekers is never an excuse for violence and intimidation . it comes shortly intimidation. it comes shortly after merseyside police arrested 15 people aged between 13 and 54, following the violent protests. security has been increased following the incident with reinforced fencing and a police presence . the unhcr , police presence. the unhcr, martin griffiths, has warned

that the death toll in turkey and syria from monday's earthquakes could double. his comments come as the number of deadin comments come as the number of dead in southern turkey and northern syria has passed 25,000, despite the conditions, rescuers continued to find some survivors in the rubble . but survivors in the rubble. but they say the window is closing . they say the window is closing. mr. griffiths says the un will carry out separate aid appeals for turkey and syria in the coming days. what happened here on monday .7 the epicentre of the on monday? the epicentre of the earthquake was the worst event in 100 years in this region . we in 100 years in this region. we have a clear plan tomorrow or the next day to give an appeal for a three month operation to help the people of turkey with humanitarian assistance. and we will do some a similar one for the people of syria . while the the people of syria. while the disaster as emergency committee has raised more than disaster as emergency committee has raised more tha n £50 million has raised more than £50 million of aid and support for victims of aid and support for victims of the earthquakes in turkey, in

syria in two days, ravina said from frontline medical aid charity , a uk met says more charity, a uk met says more a joining in the humanitarian efforts ground are going to be providing a full type one hospital facility so that is providing primary health care to those who need it . so that's those who need it. so that's deaung those who need it. so that's dealing with initial kind of trauma incidents but then also secondary illnesses and diseases, that might have diseases, people that might have left homes without their left their homes without their medicine and families and children . so providing that children. so providing that primary medical support. a man has died and a second remains in hospital following a double stopping in east london. officers were called to hackney wick at 430 this morning when the victims both in their twenties, arrived at hospital with knife wounds. a 26 year old later died from his injuries. forensics teams are searching the white post lane area where the white post lane area where the incident took place . so far, the incident took place. so far, no arrests have been made . while no arrests have been made. while an arrest has been made following a protest at a drag queen storytelling event for children at london's tate britain , police say the person britain, police say the person in custody is suspected of

making a racially aggravated comment towards an officer. the protest broke out after demonstrators described by some as far right clashed with others who had gathered in support of the event. now with the search for missing mum nicola burley, now in its 16th day, her partner says he wants to keep all opfions says he wants to keep all options open about her disappearance. paul mansell was speaking to five news lancashire police say they suspect the mother of two fell into the river. wyre but no trace of her has been found . they're now has been found. they're now focusing their search further downstream and out towards the coast. despite this , mr. ansell coast. despite this, mr. ansell says his gut instinct tells him she didn't fall into the river. personally i'm 100% convinced it's not the river. people don't just vanish into thin air. it's absolutely impossible . so absolutely impossible. so something has happened . something has happened. something has happened . find out something has happened. find out what it is . i want every house, what it is. i want every house, every garage , every outbuilding

every garage, every outbuilding , the land scrutinised. i want it all searched. i want it all scrutinised . every piece of it . scrutinised. every piece of it. a british drug dealer has been arrested in thailand after a five year hunt by the national crime agency. richard wakeling from essex attempted to import £8 million worth of liquid amphetamine into the uk in 2016. the 55 year old fled in 2018 before his trial began and was sentenced to 11 years in his absence. he remains in custody in thailand and extradition proceedings are underway . the proceedings are underway. the coronation emblem for king charles and the queen consort has been unveiled. it was created by former apple designer sir jony ive. it features an sirjony ive. it features an image of st edward's crown, which will be used to crown the monarch and was inspired by the king's love of nature. the emblem also includes the rose of england, the thistle of scotland, the daffodil of wales and the shamrock of northern

ireland. tv online and the abbey plus radio . this is the gb news plus radio. this is the gb news now it's back to neil oliver live . live. the slow creep of ugliness into the language of public debate is impossible to ignore. it's a truly sad state of affairs , a truly sad state of affairs, a degradation of the quality of discourse that should finally give us pause , make us stop, and give us pause, make us stop, and take a long, hard look at the reality presently being forced upon us. but the fact is, we've grown accustomed to the knee jerk application of lazy slurs and the smearing of reputations to the casual abuse of those around us. with some of the vilest accusations imaginable. racist sex. just misogynist transphobe anti—semite. the list of tags is long, but just as the ceaseless printing of money has utterly devalued our currencies. so the machine gun spraying of

labels , powerful labels once labels, powerful labels once reserved for specific behaviours, deliberate crimes with malice aforethought has rendered once lethal effective words all but meaningless. rendered once lethal effective words all but meaningless . even words all but meaningless. even more worrying, the overuse and misuse of words distracts from real crime , real abuse, real real crime, real abuse, real discrimination , real crimes of discrimination, real crimes of racism committed against people black, white and brown for racism. neither knows nor respects any colour bar i've lost in the haze whipped up by the ceaseless misuse of racist in relation to anything and everything , sexist and everything, sexist and misogynist are likewise bandied about with wild abandon used almost without exception, though for the purposes of silencing unwanted voices , frightening the unwanted voices, frightening the faint hearted back into their boxes. real contempt for the female sex made manifest, for example, in the coordinated tit wholesale rate of underage white, working class female children in towns up and down the country , abandoned to the the country, abandoned to the fates by authority in its every guise, police , councils, guise, police, councils, judiciary, government and entirely overlooked blind eyes

and deaf ears stunned . the words and deaf ears stunned. the words that might rightly have been used to describe what was going on were made absent instead , all on were made absent instead, all that greeted the news of all that greeted the news of all that evil and misery was state sanctioned silence. victims of the horror and those who knew about it and sought to raise the alarm and seek justice were shouted down. those few actually brave enough to point fingers at the guilty were themselves labelled . that's the labelled racists. that's the reality of where we end up when words are overused or misused. paradoxically real crime is left to thrive . racist and misogynist to thrive. racist and misogynist are words with actual and precise meanings that should sound alarm bells to alert us to real horror, real abuse like that going on for decades in rotherham , salford, oldham and rotherham, salford, oldham and scores of other towns. not abuse of young girls has not stopped ehhen of young girls has not stopped either, and won't stop while those who could and should be doing something about it find apathy and lack of meaningful concern and action less damaging to the career advancement and political ambition. more and

more, we live in a society in which keeping the head down or looking the other way feels to me like the only option when to speak far less to do speak out far less to do something. being carpet something. risks being carpet bombed with the usual verbal abuse real misogyny is at the root too of the blatant and gratuitous misuse of transphobe as well . men speaking up in as well. men speaking up in support of women fighting to preserve the vital sanctity of women only spaces, toilets and changing rooms, prisons, refuges and the rest do not receive the full force of the transphobe label. in another example of misogyny that insult along with its even uglier 20th is applied most aggressively towards women. trans food, a word properly descriptive of aversion to and hatred of trans people is therefore deliberately misused , therefore deliberately misused, used and ceaselessly and relentlessly not to make easier the lives of trans people, but to shame , bully and dismiss to shame, bully and dismiss women voicing concerns that only a handful of years ago would have been regarded as unquote tenable. common sense . all of

tenable. common sense. all of this means real racists and misogynists can go about their brutal business almost unchallenged , while the once unchallenged, while the once powerful and meaningful words , powerful and meaningful words, dread words are pepper sprayed into the faces of anyone and everyone seeking to ask questions of authority to draw attention to dangerous societal misalignments and to raise the alarm about overreach and mission creep. verbal weaponry for use in emergency has been wilfully and carelessly repurposed for one thing and one thing only, which is the silencing of debate. most important to notice is the certainty that none of this is accidental, nor is it the product of a natural evolution of human behaviour. on the contrary , this choreographed and contrary, this choreographed and whipped up name calling and let's face it, name calling is what it truly is. deploying the also effective tactics of the school playground that none of us apparently outgrew has been deliberately orchestrated and massively ramped up during the past two or three years of unrest. then, to change, it's been done on purpose and the name calling has been led and

dnven name calling has been led and driven by government, by nudge units and the rest of the little whistle tasked with the psychological manipulation and perversion of society . it really perversion of society. it really got going with anti—vaxxer covidiot , covid denier and covidiot, covid denier and granny killer. that became the round the clock stock in trade, not just of government ministers , but most effectively in the mouths of familiar tv journalists and other media figures . as with racist, figures. as with racist, misogynist and transphobe, the panoply of pandemic epithets was a childish effect of bludgeon used to try and knock any and all dissent or downright disobedience on the head , as disobedience on the head, as well as about silencing and controlling its been about division . lockdowns and social division. lockdowns and social distancing kept us physically apart . but even more sinister apart. but even more sinister now is the way we're being set at each other's throats , at each other's throats, fracturing and damaging the very fabnc fracturing and damaging the very fabric of society again, the ceaseless overuse of terms like anti—vaxxer rendered them utterly meaningless . people who utterly meaningless. people who had taken the product pushed as vaccines and been harmed by

them, and then left and want of recognition, help and compensation were routinely dismissed as anti—vaxxers , an dismissed as anti—vaxxers, an allegation requiring exquisitely complex mental gymnast x in search of any sense whatsoever anyone questioning the claims as to the safety and effectiveness of those medical products is still automatically defamed as a covidiot or a granny killer or a covid denier. and yet, even though reams of peer reviewed literature are out there now making plain the reality of harm and risk from taking those products, still the c—word are bandied about. products, still the c—word are bandied about . and again, as bandied about. and again, as with the rest of the name calling, it's all about silencing dissenting voices and seizing and maintaining control of narratives . the ugliness and of narratives. the ugliness and attempted bullying is everywhere. perhaps the granddaddy of them. all right now , the swiss army knife of now, the swiss army knife of insults is right wing. now, the swiss army knife of insults is right wing . everyone insults is right wing. everyone and everything standing in defiance of the narratives about covid, about the war in ukraine, the so—called climate crisis, 15 minute cities is instant and

automatically right wing , real automatically right wing, real old fashioned right wingers must be revolving like revolutionaries and are craves the butchery of a town that was once upon a time actually descriptive of a political position , fearing the loss of position, fearing the loss of cultural and community cohesion in the face of mass immigration is automatically right wing as well as racist. of course . well as racist. of course. brexit is right wing. well as racist. of course. brexit is right wing . love of brexit is right wing. love of country is right wing , gardening country is right wing, gardening is right wing. and also racist. so to the english countryside and being good at maths after a lifetime of skirting around politics, avoiding the whole sordid business like something left behind on the pavement by a passing canine . i got out of bed passing canine. i got out of bed one morning a couple of years ago to find i was right wing too. apparently not old too. apparently not just old fashioned stick in the mud, middle of the road, right wing, mind frothing at the mind you, but frothing at the mouth, swivel eyed ultra far right wing. i achieved right right wing. i achieved this feat by not moving at all in any direction. i've stayed where i've always been, which is to see in the land of those

cynical of politics and politicians of all stripes , and politicians of all stripes, and therefore politically homeless for a lifetime. while some sort of undertake the shifting of the tectonic plates , move the old tectonic plates, move the old world under my feet and world out from under my feet and off into the distance, never to return . articles about me in the return. articles about me in the newspapers used to describe me as long haired and scottish. nowadays i'm mostly known to the mainstream media as right wing conspiracy theorist neil oliver. it's laughable , but there we it's laughable, but there we are. i said right wing was the granddaddy , or at least the granddaddy, or at least the catch all. but of course that would be to overlook the many negative and explosive power of the a—word , which anti semite the a—word, which is anti semite , arguably as ubiquitous as racist anti—semite as an age of lethal sharpness . to be labelled lethal sharpness. to be labelled anti—semitic is to be allegedly guilty of one of the oldest and ugliest sins of all. last week , ugliest sins of all. last week, a piece in the guardian raised the spectre of antisemitism. political journalist peter walker nudging it as close to me as he did after i spoke on this channel about the erosion of the thousand year old british

constitution seen by one parliament after another. it was quite a leap like an epic. not much. but then you'd expect some convoluted reasoning from a social justice obsessed newspaper . it was also newspaper. it was also imaginative, connecting to invite readers to infer antisemitic ism from a monologue about the british constitution. but there you go . it appears but there you go. it appears antisemitism. like antisemitism. nobody's like sexism and misogyny , transphobia sexism and misogyny, transphobia and far right politics is in the eye of the beholder . here's the eye of the beholder. here's the thing. as i said at the top, ugliness, unspeakable ugliness has slithered into our public discourse like sewage from a pipe. it's been no accident, rather a deliberate, campaign based upon application of the oldest and most childish tactic in the book, that of baseless name calling to shore up the defences around official narratives that are collapsing like sand castles in the face of an incoming tide and the process once important and precisely descriptive words, have been utterly compromised until they mean everything, and also nothing. after all, if everyone is a right wing, misogynist, anti—semite , then no one is just

anti—semite, then no one is just as they try to distract us from the erosion of our liberties right under our noses by fear, and nudging, nuttiness that lockdowns face masks forever. war and climate crisis . so we war and climate crisis. so we are losing sight of real crimes of violence against women , abuse of violence against women, abuse and discrimination on the grounds of race and the persecution of ancient faith and culture. the truth is that we are all for this. no we've had a gutful . we've seen the attempted gutful. we've seen the attempted manipulation, the workplace and the rest. and we're not fooled for a moment. words matter the deepest level of our relationships with one another, a whole language is what makes us human and makes possible our society and civilisation. we must reclaim the words like everything else and keep talking st to one another. and at the end of the day, if we must be back in the playground again, those are this sticks and stones may break our bones, but names will never hurt. us all of that,

as always, is my own opinion, of course, and feel free to disagree with every bit of it. or in part, keep your tweets and emails coming all through the show . you can email gb views at show. you can email gb views at gb news dot uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news and i'll try to get to comments later in the show . i'm to get to comments later in the show. i'm joined to get to comments later in the show . i'm joined tonight by the show. i'm joined tonight by the podcaster education podcaster and education specialist tom yorke and the broadcast and lawyer andrew aibel . thank you both. great to aibel. thank you both. great to have you. tom name calling, smears and slurs. am i paranoid or are they really out to get me 7 or are they really out to get me ? name calling is as old as ancient greece. i think it was plato who said this , said that plato who said this, said that no one likes the man who speaks the truth. and the fact is , on the truth. and the fact is, on many occasions i've had the pleasure of sitting on the show listening to many of your monologues and you have been ahead of curve, often in ahead of the curve, often in pubuc ahead of the curve, often in public whether it's public debate, whether it's about whether it's

about the vaccine, whether it's about the vaccine, whether it's about the vaccine, whether it's about the impact and dangers of lockdown. so it's not surprising there are people out there when you speak truth to power, they don't like what they're hearing and they're going after you, as you say in your monologue. neil it's become increasingly in our society no longer a debate governed by civility . if those governed by civility. if those enlightenment values of being able to agree to disagree, it feels to me increasingly we're in a world where it's the imposition of narratives, the battle of narratives, whether it's on the right, the left, the centre or none of the above. look you know, i've sat on this sofa on many occasions and i've delivered a bit of a tough love message to about some of the message to you about some of the things you've said. i don't agree with everything rightly so. know, i mean, so. you say, you know, i mean, frankly, there's some of your monologues, of monologues, certainly some of the ones. they have the more recent ones. they have a end days feeling a kind of end of days feeling about know, quite doom about them, you know, quite doom and and i've i've and gloom. and i've i've described to before described myself to you before as a optimist. and i'm as a rational optimist. and i'm frankly up the frankly quite fed up across the whole spectrum the moment, whole spectrum at the moment, whether the called whether it's the so called wokeist rmt, wokeist of

wokeist or the rmt, wokeist of narratives are emerging narratives that are emerging that are essentially about these end of days, that doom and gloom . as ordinary voter and . as an ordinary voter and ordinary citizen want ordinary citizen, i want to listen to i want to listen listen to hope. i want to listen to, well, how do reshape this to, well, how do we reshape this society the biggest society after the biggest pandemic, after 100 how pandemic, after 100 years? how do with the scandal of do we deal with the scandal of food banks? do we make sure food banks? how do we make sure young have got access to young people have got access to housing? our politicians housing? now, our politicians aren't questions aren't answering those questions . right to raise . and you've been right to raise that. but equally, i would say to neil, sometimes, you to you, neil, sometimes, you know, as plato himself said, rhetoric does not come without consequences . and you need to be consequences. and you need to be accountable for the things that you say on a national platform like gb and i happily like gb is, and i happily am. but but gutless name calling. i do draw the line when it's misapplied . andrew do you do you misapplied. andrew do you do you think that we can , as tom think that we can, as tom rightly suggests , look for rightly suggests, look for optimism if we don't? first of all, take out the trash, including dealing with the misuse of language ? how can we misuse of language? how can we talk our way to the sunlit

uplands, which we have to do with ideas and debate? if it's been co—opted by those who would only? you're absolutely right . only? you're absolutely right. and we always used to say the word is mightier than the sword. but if you misuse that word, that sword is going to get blunt pretty quickly and you give some great examples in the word woke in and of itself when it first came about was all about enlightenment. this the road enlightenment. this is the road to . this is about to damascus. this is about respect others, so on respect for others, and so on and that has now and so forth. that has now become negative. the more become a negative. and the more that you use words a that you use words in a particular the that particular way, the more that they're wrongly they they're wrongly attributed. they say a broken bone can say that you a broken bone can heal say that you a broken bone can heal, but the wound of the word opens. confess to forever and the of words. as a lawyer the power of words. as a lawyer specialising in intellectual property, the power of words is phenomenal. when they're phenomenal. but when they're misused in this way, it does a massive disservice to the things that you're supposed to be writing in this world. and i think that's the big problem. i think that's the big problem. i think the name calling is what think that's the big problem. i thtoothe name calling is what think that's the big problem. i thtoo lazy,ame calling is what think that's the big problem. i th too lazy, isn't calling is what think that's the big problem. i th too lazy, isn't it?.ing is what think that's the big problem. i th too lazy, isn't it? is,i is what think that's the big problem. i th too lazy, isn't it? is, as what is too lazy, isn't it? is, as you and your your principal you say. and your your principal is rt. barnum, the great

showman who always used to say, if draw a crowd, if you want to draw a crowd, start fight . and better start a fight. and what better way starting a fight than to way of starting a fight than to name call? i mean, that's how it's happening, isn't it? yeah i'm absolutely with being i'm absolutely fine with being challenged. i will challenged. yeah. and i will take consequences for what take the consequences for what i see if engage with the see if people engage with the argument. but when i was argument. but but when i was making a last week about making a point last week about the erosion of what i see as the, as the freedoms and rights enshrined in the constitution. and was the point that and i was making the point that it one parliament after it had been one parliament after another for decades and centuries , that that was invited centuries, that that was invited a journalist in fair antisemitism. i think is just a it's a step too far that has to be that has to be pushed back. that's absolutely outrageous. look, as someone in my political background that was campaign against anti—semitism when i resigned from the labour party as a councillor in 2018 because of the way, the poor way in which party was handling which the party was handling antisemitism. i can tell you this sat on this sofa this now. i've sat on this sofa . know your work, i've read . i know your work, i've read your many, many years your works over many, many years and, without and, you know, without a scintilla of evidence, does anything that you've ever said

meet the ihra definition or any other definition? frankly of antisemitism. so let's just get that out on the record . but what that out on the record. but what really concerns because you talked about it in terms of name calling, actually, we're also entering a new phase in this sort of debate post the pandemic, where it's sort of guilt by association. i mean , guilt by association. i mean, you're right. you spoke to the issue of a thousand years ago, constitutional, unwritten , constitutional, unwritten, constitutional, unwritten, constitutional history. but, you know, it well as historian . know, it well as a historian. but of course, the people on social media are jumping on the affiliations , which may or may affiliations, which may or may not have anything to do with you and your associates. this being somehow conjecture as to anti—semitism. now, that's wrong, and i think that needs calling out thing. and we will be coming back to this topic after the break. dr. tim lockhart will be here to discuss my remarks for that. and my opening remarks for that. and to talk about the importance of media regulation as well. see you shortly .

welcome back , everyone, to neil welcome back, everyone, to neil oliver live. great to have you here. i opened the show tonight by talking about the way in which a name calling have which smear a name calling have become principal weapons in the world waged against free speech. as i see it, how are we to hold our leaders feet to the fire? i ask them to challenge the orthodoxy is to invite routine accusations of racism, transphobia and antisemitism from elsewhere in the media world. joining me now to help me gauge the temperature of the conversations going on out there is speech advocate is free speech advocate professor tim luckhurst from durham university. good evening, tim. thank you forjoining me tim. thank you for joining me this evening . pleasure to be this evening. pleasure to be with you, neal. thanks thanks. thanks to turn, it's my content and obviously that labels late anti—semite and racist. i've just bandied about casually and to such an extent as to be meaningless. what do you think ? meaningless. what do you think? i don't think these phrases have

panned out quite as wantonly as you say . and of course, you say. and of course, anti—semitism is a vile prejudice and one that i condemn entirely . but i do agree with entirely. but i do agree with you that language is being used in an irresponsible way. it's used to stigmatise views which people find unpopular and to stigmatise views which are not deemed to be mainstream . and deemed to be mainstream. and that's regrettable because we only have a civilised debate in this country in our democracy. if debate is conducted in the civil ized way, which would use his passion and introduce his light, and i'm all in favour of light, and i'm all in favour of light enlightenment of ideas being explored in an open way, being explored in an open way, being debated in such a way that people learn. both of them hate each other . particularly each other. particularly troubles me. tim it's not just anonymous , you know, keyboard anonymous, you know, keyboard warriors in pumping out the bill from their mother's basements, but it's professional journalists in some instances who are going across the line,

as far as i'm concerned. what do you make of the claim out there in the all the town square, i suppose, where we all exchange ideas, but in terms of those that are supposed to be shaping the debate and giving us structure, how do you gauge the temperature ? we've got some temperature? we've got some fantastically good newspapers and fantastically good broadcasters in this country . i broadcasters in this country. i think sometimes we forget the distinction between them broadcast justice are required by virtue of their regulation to be impartial, to be objective , be impartial, to be objective, and to be fair and balanced . and to be fair and balanced. newspapers are ideological constituencies , and it doesn't constituencies, and it doesn't surprise me that ideological constituencies defend with great passion. sometimes with a little bit more than passion . the views bit more than passion. the views of that particular readers. so it doesn't surprise me. for example , that the guardian will example, that the guardian will attack people whose views it disagrees with any more. and it surprises me the daily telegraph will attack people whose views it disagrees with . the daily

it disagrees with. the daily telegraph tends to attack people who come from the left. the guardian tends to attack people that it regards as coming from the right. i do think you make an interesting point, though, neil, that views which in the past have not being described as rightwing or left wing, rather perhaps are simply minority views. are routinely castigated and stigmatised. today as rightwing. and i agree with you as well, that the term rightwing wing has ceased to be a description of someone who comes from a conservative background and become a means by which we inqu and become a means by which we insult and stigmatise people. i don't regard myself as being remotely right wing , but then remotely right wing, but then i think being right wing means being a conservative, and being conservative is a mainstay in political positions . andrew political positions. andrew yeah. do you feel code at all? do you. do you hear yourself not engaging in certain debates , engaging in certain debates, getting involved in certain topics simply for fear of having

some slanderous it is interesting, isn't it? because as you say , a lot of the words as you say, a lot of the words being castrated are even words, you know, you work on that sort of basis that the real meaning is don't is being taken. i don't personally, i i will personally, i think i will always look for an always try and look for an alternative view in any conversation. more lights, less heat. need to have heat. but we need to have a platform where things can be debated . and some debated without fear. and some of the subjects that you touched on, people are scared to discuss them because they're scared for their they perceive death their lives. they perceive death threats have certain threats if they have certain views. i think what happens views. and i think what happens is is an abuse of is by abusing it is an abuse of certain phrases in the wrong context. it devalues where you're calling out a certain injustice . and you highlighted injustice. and you highlighted several in your opening piece. and i think that's the problem. you are losing the power of words as a as a result of abusing them as a fundamental, isn't it? tom i mean, i know that you and i broadly see eye to eye on two thirds of everything, but do do you agree with me that if we don't

establish the proper use of words so that we can have a conversation where we understand those ground rules and will understand what words mean it becomes almost impossible to re—engage. optimistic concepts. what we always fundamentally agree on, neil, is free speech and the definition of free speech is the absence of fear from arbitrary persecution and arrest. now there are societies actually call themselves democratic around the world who do engage in arbitrary persecution and arrest and, you know, political dissidents are shut away and not heard of for years. britain, thankfully , is years. britain, thankfully, is not that kind of society , but it not that kind of society, but it is absolutely right that you and others , you know, we are all others, you know, we are all always on our guard against those who would take those basic fundamental freedoms away. and my view is that's what you as a broadcast and a journalists have been talking about on the show since inception. and it's since its inception. and it's always freedom of speech, but it's not freedom from consequences abuse consequences of freedom of abuse

. you're still with . you know, if you're still with me there, how do you rate ofcom's performance over the past couple of years? because i don't accept said that they have created a level playing field. i think the preoccupation is with making sure the government or the or the orthodox is always being held and the only insist on a counter voice when the orthodoxy is challenged. i think you can you can trot out the orthodoxy to your heart's content. but there's an obugafion content. but there's an obligation on us in gb news that if we air a contrary voice, we have to immediately bring on the orthodoxy . well, i think that orthodoxy. well, i think that you're overstating your case, neal you're overstating your case, neal. ofcom on my in my opinion, does a reasonably good job of maintaining balance, impartiality and fairness in british broadcasting . and i british broadcasting. and i think the very fact that you can have the animated conversation having now and that you have regularly on gb news demonstrates ofcom is not seeking to silence dissent or to

prevent people talking about ideas which others might find unpopular or unpalatable . i unpopular or unpalatable. i think we can debate those issues.i think we can debate those issues. i think a much bigger problem in our society is the response on social media. social media is a phenomenon which has changed our world quite dramatically. it's fair to say that the more has always been passionate and abusive towards those it disagrees with. and that was just true of the 60, 74, 82/19 century. more as it is, we're quite involved. it's simply that the twitter mob is much bigger and what is imported into this country is a set of values which aren't actually british, because we're encountering on social media is the dominance of american civil rights. and in some cases extremist views such as critical race theory, critical race theory is actually based, for example , entirely in american example, entirely in american evidence. and you can debate whether it's accurate in that context . it has absolutely no context. it has absolutely no value whatsoever in britain

because the evidence base upon which this construct it is not a british evidence base, and yet the language of that particular theory and the views of those who disagree with it has entered our public domain without any real awareness. it has no relevance here. that does worry me . i take your point, and me. i take your point, and i wholly agree that a channel should be offering both sides of the argument and we are on a two way street , you know, on the on way street, you know, on the on the on the output. but ofcom, i would contend, doesn't mind a one way street on other channels. as long as it's a certain orthodox viewpoint , certain orthodox viewpoint, getting that one way street, the cultural voice doesn't have to be there . as long as you're be there. as long as you're seeing whatever vaccines are 100% safe, 100% effective, and they've saved millions of lives. there's no obligation to bring on a voice to see hold on. i've got some questions about safety

and efficacy. but they seem is not true in reverse . that's not true in reverse. that's really interesting. neil i mean, i think what you may be doing is construing as the work of ofcom on what is in fact a culture encouraged by the staff of other broadcasters . i would agree with broadcasters. i would agree with you that until recently the bbc has had a problem with having a very, very substantial majority of younger staff who take a particular ideological position making programme decisions which have tended to exclude certain parts of the argument. i think under the leadership , its new under the leadership, its new director—general and new chairman, the bbc , has begun to chairman, the bbc, has begun to address that challenge and i think it's begun to do it rather well. it's become to say, look, hold on a second. the majority of all young producers on the today programme, they think x, but doesn't mean the but that doesn't mean it's the only perspective they've got to put guests who are prepared put on guests who are prepared to challenge that perspective. i'm certain that that's how i'm not certain that that's how quite as much effect as like it

to get, but i certainly think it's happening. i don't it's happening. but i don't think ofcom think it's because ofcom has been the bbc or indeed been telling the bbc or indeed channel 4, itv to do these things that they're doing them. i think it's because there's a culture within the institution which encourage is what i would call a monotheistic mindset . and call a monotheistic mindset. and it's really important that monotheistic mindset be challenged . perhaps ofcom can challenged. perhaps ofcom can play challenged. perhaps ofcom can play a role in challenging that monotheistic mindset. if it can, i would encourage it to do so. and of course you're right to say it has the powers to do so, but i think it is mainly actually about the culture within the broadcasters. i'll be honest, if you a right of centre graduate to the top university , graduate to the top university, you probably don't want to go work for the bbc or channel 4. you're probably more likely to get a job in the private sector and make money in the city. and as a result, there is a certain pool of people from whom the staff of such broadcasters align able to be recruited. they need to work a little bit harder to perhaps recruit stuff from the daily the daily

daily mail or the daily telegraph. how that for an telegraph. how about that for an idea very insight idea? very helpful insight there. professor tim luckhurst , there. professor tim luckhurst, thanks very much for joining me this evening . got to go to break this evening. got to go to break now, after which we'll continue to look on in anguish at the devastation caused by the earthquakes in turkey and syria. and i'll speak to an expert, a researcher who's claimed to have predicted the disaster that has caused a fair degree of controversy .

welcome back to nearly all of our live . as the death toll for our live. as the death toll for the earthquake , turkey and syria the earthquake, turkey and syria passes. the earthquake, turkey and syria passes . 25,000 souls and with passes. 25,000 souls and with warnings that that number could double. the sheer scale and intensity of the event is frighteningly apparent. intensity of the event is frighteningly apparent . the frighteningly apparent. the worst quake in the world for more than a decade, the worst in turkey for a century. it measured 7.8 in magnitude,

apparently, and hundreds of miles of build and infrastructure . two days before infrastructure. two days before it struck . earthquake researcher it struck. earthquake researcher frank beats predicted via twitter. a 7.5 magnitude event in southern turkey or northern syria . but other seismologist syria. but other seismologist voiced doubts about his methodology . frank joins me now methodology. frank joins me now to discuss the complexities of earthquake prediction. hello, frank. thank you for joining earthquake prediction. hello, frank. thank you forjoining me frank. thank you for joining me . hello, neal. thanks for having me . oh, it's a pleasure . a me. oh, it's a pleasure. a pleasure to see you and to hear you. first of all, how do you go about predicting an earthquake ? about predicting an earthquake? well the specific twist on three february was not an attempt to predict an earthquake. and i had idea it would occur three days later . it was pretty much later. it was pretty much a coincidence , but it comes next coincidence, but it comes next to forecast message that we had. we use . but there's no denying

we use. but there's no denying that at that moment in time , 48 that at that moment in time, 48 hours or so before the event , hours or so before the event, you were predicting a significant magnitude earthquake in that part of the world and duly happened. but i can only imagine that it's an extremely complicated business. so many variables. i can't begin to think how. what do you do? what's your methodology for? for predicting this type of event . predicting this type of event. well . first of all, the tweet well. first of all, the tweet actually, the reason for me to tweet that information was the fact that there was some increased seismic activity and on three february, there was a moderate earthquake, measured 4.4, very much near the epicentre three days later and because of my research into historical earthquakes, i look at earthquakes in the past and i look at the plateau positions at the time of the earthquakes and so i can recognise when planets reach critical positions in the

solar system in the moon as well . and i know from research that major earthquakes have occurred in that region in the years hundred 15 ad. and also 526 and both cases , there were more than both cases, there were more than 200,000 fatalities. is unimaginable. and it has been a very long time since that region has been struck by similar seismic events. and because of the moderate seismic activity, which i consider is bit of a seismic increase , i actually put seismic increase, i actually put out that and really that comes next to the planetary positions that we study to anticipate large earthquakes. so is it is it to do is that the gravitational pull? is that some collective effect you would see of planets ever being in certain positions or alignments that increases the likelihood and the severity of tectonic and seismic activity . i think the activity. i think the gravitational pull is a factor , gravitational pull is a factor, but based on my research, i think that electromagnetic force

is much more significant in this respect . we have to realise that respect. we have to realise that the gravity of the electromagnetic force is about 40 times stronger than the gravitational force and it also dominates the gravitational force. and i think that that is something that has been overlooked or neglected by the scientific community. they really consider the planets as not influential , really consider the planets as not influential, and i think that's a big mistake. not influential, and i think that's a big mistake . you're that's a big mistake. you're it's obviously worth pointing the other experts in the field seismology and andreas don't i'm not persuaded of your methods. i think there was some suggestion i think in your tweet, you said that there'll be an event sooner or later and there was a suggestion that that was that would be equivalent of seeing that after sunshine or rain, sooner would you sooner or later. how would you respond to that? i think the suggestion is almost that, you know, even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day. you know, how you respond to know, how would you respond to the suggestion that you're accuracy was coincidental ?

accuracy here was coincidental? now, the focus was entirely on this specific tweet and then there are a story about my twitter feed that i put out this kind of every day, all the time , which is certainly not the case. this was well, it was the earth century, but it was almost also the tweet of the century, because normally do not will predict or say something like this for specific reason . this for specific reason. normally, it's more well within probability is like the way the forecast that we look at planetary positions and let's say in the next few days can be critical like on from 4 to 6 february. coincidentally following the tweet was a critical time frame based on planetary positions and these are based on our calculations. and so, yes, of course, there is a negative response to that from experts. but the problem actually is the experts do not look into the research that we do , and they don't look at the do, and they don't look at the website they have no idea what website they have no idea what we are actually doing to. i

would say i would would be only open minded about the i mean, the possibility of there being a means by which populations and agencies nasa's to help people in those situations could get pnor in those situations could get prior warning. you know i would i would say that you need to be open minded and seriously investigate there's any investigate if there's any possibility that what is that frank is suggesting is i've seen i'm not a scientific expert on seismology or any of what we're talking about here to debate. but what i heard there about and i'm assuming this is not disputed that there was a 4.4 earthquake in that area i think was a 4th of february. that to me just rings alarm bells about, well, what were policy makers doing? who those responsible for citizens living in what is a well known earthquake zone? i mean, they've been several earthquakes in my lifetime in that part of the world. and we also know that there was billions collected billions of pounds collected additional to additional taxes in order to support of in terms of support this kind of in terms of advance warning, but also the

disaster relief relief . and disaster relief relief. and that's been very wanting, isn't it? i mean, you can that very clearly just watching the output from and syria. frank do from turkey and syria. frank do you do you have any other predictions that you're working on moment ? is predictions that you're working on moment? is your on at the moment? is your attention focussed attention being focussed elsewhere . well, we really do elsewhere. well, we really do forecast like the weather forecasts on the on the two, three day basis. and the next critical convergence of plant. our geometry is on the 14th and 15th of february. and that's the routine only thing that we do. but if we a bit further into the yean but if we a bit further into the year, there's going to be extremely critical plants of geometry, especially from august to november. that really stands out. and there is a real high probability of a megathrust earthquake. well over eight mountains, approximately from august to november. and of course, we will cover that in detail when we get there , where detail when we get there, where we are, where you imagine imagining what are you predicting or seeing the signs

at this point, because it's several months away, we cannot possibly do that. we actually measure the atmosphere. we look at atmospheric fluctuation , and at atmospheric fluctuation, and we have that in the real time feed on our website as well. people can follow that and based on atmospheric fluctuations , we on atmospheric fluctuations, we make estimates what regions could be next for a larger seismic event. it doesn't work per se . it is. it isn't perfect, per se. it is. it isn't perfect, but that's pretty much like the weather forecasting. this informs scientists the scientific point of view when they say there is a 50% precipitation probability . well, precipitation probability. well, it may or may not happen. precipitation probability. well, it may or may not happen . this it may or may not happen. this is pretty much the case with our prediction well , frank prediction model as well, frank hooven prediction model as well, frank hoover, because i think what you're doing is fascinating, to say the least. and i wish you i hope you continue with your work . i find it a fascinating concept . frank agrees. seismic concept. frank agrees. seismic research . thank you so much for research. thank you so much for joining us this evening. it's another break after which veteran american investigative journalist seymour hersh has made the startling claim that

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welcome back, everyone. to neil oliver. life now last week a veteran us journalist alleged that united states were behind the sabotage of the nord stream

gas pipelines last year. the multimillion dollar infrastructure was deliberately damaged last september, with the united states and russia each blaming the other. now a report by investigative journalist seymour has it that the strike against the pipeline was ordered by president joe biden. a claim immediately dismissed as, quote , utterly false by a white house spokesman. joining me to consider claim and the denial is jonathan steele, former guardian chief foreign correspondent . chief foreign correspondent. thank you for joining chief foreign correspondent. thank you forjoining us, sir. thank you for joining us, sir. what do you make, first of all, of seymour hersh, this article ? of seymour hersh, this article? i think it's pretty convincing . i think it's pretty convincing. the difficulty is it's only got one source in one would hope that there would be other sources. but he says it's a very reliable source, somebody who, with direct knowledge of the operational planning of the attack. so that fairly convincing. and then, of course, there's the statements by joe biden a few days before the election invasion of ukraine. he said if the russians invade , it

said if the russians invade, it will no longer be any nord stream . we will bring an end to stream. we will bring an end to it . so he practically promised it. so he practically promised to destroy it. so in that context , it wouldn't it wouldn't context, it wouldn't it wouldn't sound as if there would be any need for a denial. it was a statement of intent that was it. and it was also echoed by victoria nuland of the victoria nuland is one of the senior diplomats. it was it was a statement of if you do this, the following will happen. she expressed joy after the expressed to joy after the event. she said she told the senate foreign relations committee , can you , like committee, i can tell you, like you, i'm very gratified that the nord stream is now a hunk of metal. the bottom of the sea. did it ever seem credible to you that putin would destroy his own infrastructure when he could obviously just turn the gas on and off at will anyway? it was that's the crucial thing. i mean, who does this profit this destruction of nord stream? not not the russians at all. in the last people who profit from it. they to increase gas they wanted to increase gas sales york, get more money sales to york, get more money for that. they wanted to

increase germany's dependence on gas were the main gas because were the main consumers of gas that comes directly by pipeline from russia to germany . so why would he to germany. so why would he suddenly destroy it? it's ridiculous. would it would it be fair to say that whoever blew up the nord stream gas pipeline was at war is at war with europe's economic security? well, i think that's why they had their business dismissing it and denying it, because it is an act of war. it's an act of war by the united states against russia . now it's obviously worth saying for people that aren't familiar with seymour hersh, he's got a formidable reputation. i mean, he's not he's not some he's not some johnny, come lately figure he goes all the way back to the vietnam he the story vietnam war. he broke the story about abu ghraib. about torture in abu ghraib. this a this is a serious and this is a this is a serious and credible writer . yes. he goes credible writer. yes. he goes right back to the my lai massacre in 1968 in vietnam. he discovered that the cia was spying on anti—war activists , spying on anti—war activists, which forced the senate to set

up committees that looked into it and found it was perfectly true. he's got a very good record. as you mentioned, abu ghraib in iraq. the iraqi use of iraqi prisoners by the americans . so he's got a very good record . he's a he's a irascible sort of person. he is difficult to work with, is a typical lone wolf. but doesn't go well in a newsroom. but you won't know, don't you? i mean, of course, of you do to have some you do have to have some salinity. got to have salinity. you've got to have that. else is you've got to that. who else is you've got to dig and you've got to risk offending because he's offending because feel he's facing struggle all facing an uphill struggle all the dogged and he the time just dogged and he checks and checks and checks i mean he once said it was a joke. if your mother says she loves you, check it out. hillary's to do point. they're being do with one point. they're being so journalist. is so dogged a journalist. why is he only got one source? well, i presume he's trying to find other people and maybe nobody was willing to do so, even though they were promised not to be on the record . nobody came be on the record. nobody came forward to, of course. if you want to be suspicious of his story, you see you jump on that

point . story, you see you jump on that point. there's only one. story, you see you jump on that point . there's only one. well, point. there's only one. well, i think he's keeping an open mind, isn't it? and you look at that sort of balance for the alternative views and say, well, why is that the case? why why is biden denying and the white biden denying it? and the white house and so on. and so and then the other argument use, the other argument that i use, who from the destruction who profits from the destruction of pipeline? not of this pipeline? certainly not the russians. yeah. and the americans do, because americans certainly do, because it's not just political. the americans want sell their americans want to sell their uquefied americans want to sell their liquefied natural gas. natural gas and big american gas to europe and big american to try desperately to get more sales in europe. now they've got a main competitor in knocked out andifs a main competitor in knocked out and it's not really business. yeah. it's not really the biggest story though, here, because the thing that i really objectionable about nord stream two, 15, objectionable about nord stream two, is, is two, i mean, honestly is, is this who done it? challenge but it's the fact that that's second pipeline was signed up to by the german dutch and french governments after the annexation of crimea in 2014. and i still think there's some serious questions that need to be asked about why, in a sense, putin having already been an aggressor, annexed a part of

europe territory from a sovereign state, that, you know, it was felt absolutely okay for eu nations to sign up to his second pipeline. huge issue of ownership. economic sanctions. trade i mean, do you cut off trade with the country because you think and again, to raise the spectre that whoever did it, whoever blew up the pipeline wanted to compromise europe's energy . this wanted to compromise europe's energy. this is the wanted to compromise europe's energy . this is the status quo . energy. this is the status quo. you know that it was that because of the nord stream two potential, the europe, germany and whoever else had that had access to that russian gas , you access to that russian gas, you know, whoever blew up , let's know, whoever blew up, let's imagine putin didn't blow up his own infrastructure. that just sounds ridiculous. whoever did it wanted to destabilise that status quo. that's an even bigger question than the news about whoever cosying up to putin. yeah, but that's the view that i'm taking. is that actually the americans are responsible. they've done us all a favour because if this was a

pipeline coming from norway's gas into the heart of gas fields into the heart of europe, then obviously that would a act of would be a huge act of aggression. but it is it's not an act of economic feasibility . an act of economic feasibility. paying america's gas is going up in price. since we since we ended with no alternative but ended up with no alternative but to . yeah, i appreciate to buy it. yeah, i appreciate that. should never being that. but we should never being in a position where we were in a in a position where we were dependent upon russian gas, particularly after 2014, when putin had put his cards on the table , annexed a part of table, annexed a part of european sovereignty , really, european sovereignty, really, which, by the way, the big powers, including britain, had given security to ukraine that that wouldn't happen after ukraine had given up its nuclear weapons with the fall of the soviet union. think it's soviet union. i think now it's just an absolute terrible geo political, blunder on political, diplomatic blunder on our part. and with russia just because. well, i mean, i've heard all before. you know, heard this all before. you know, we should trade with authoritarian because they might change should change their ways. we should try. actually, i think, you know, in new era of know, we're in a new era of so—called global isolation where actually look actually we need to look first foremost security of supply foremost to security of supply and industries and put that above some of these other

diplomatic interests like trade, who've been of democracy, globalisation. and i think america will benefit from the globalisation. a last globalisation. jonathan, a last question to just before the question to you just before the break upon again. why break comes upon me again. why isn't this story being followed up ? traditionally, something as up? traditionally, something as big as this and even the allegation would be on every front page. well, that's good question. it has been virtually suppressed by the british media. the reuters news agency carried it , but i the reuters news agency carried it, but i don't think any daily papers has picked it up at all. maybe they think somehow putting himself out. seymour hersh, reuters a longer credible dismiss it really. so reuters only covered it to dismiss to dismiss this. you know, some of the white house spokesman not exactly . got to go. i've got to exactly. got to go. i've got to go. jonathan still, thank you so much for that insight. lovely to have you. i'm being oppressed by a commercial break. coming up, neil oliver live on tv , online neil oliver live on tv, online and on disney plus radio went to boot camp tonight. i will start by discussing phenomenon by discussing the phenomenon involving which has got involving the sun, which has got

the scientific community all of a flutter .

good evening. welcome back to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio. tonight on the second hour of the show, i'll be joined by an expert shortly to discuss remarkable news. a piece of has broken from of the sun has broken away from its show that's not its surface show that's not really the right way to describe the phenomenon. be talking the phenomenon. i'll be talking to britons who to this week's great britons who walked birmingham london walked from birmingham to london to health to highlight mental health issues within the construction industry raise money for industry and to raise money for our friends, family. our departed friends, family. the former star trailer is the former pop star trailer is also helping men to deal with mental health issues, and he'll be joining me in the studio to discuss his campaign. it's national apprenticeship week and we'll meet a successful graduate who how much she who will tell us how much she benefited her benefited from her apprenticeship . plus,

apprenticeship scheme. plus, plenty more from my brilliant panel buick and henri paul panel from buick and henri paul . but first, update on the . but first, an update on the latest from sanchez latest news from atiana sanchez .neal latest news from atiana sanchez . neal, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the home secretary has condemned what she described as the appalling disorder during protests outside a hotel housing migrants in knowsley on friday, suella braverman that the alleged behaviour of some asylum seekers is never an excuse for violence . this comes shortly violence. this comes shortly after mersey side police arrested 15 people aged between 13 and 54. following those protests . security has been protests. security has been increased following the incident with reinforced fencing and a police presence . the un chief, police presence. the un chief, martin griffiths has warned that the death in turkey and syria from monday's earthquakes could double. his comments come as the number of dead in southern

turkey and northern syria is neanng turkey and northern syria is nearing 26,000, despite the conditions, rescuers have continued to find some survivors in the rubble. but they say the window is closing. mr. griffiths says the un will carry out separate aid appeals for turkey and syria in the coming days. the disasters emergency committee has raised more than £50 million of aid and support for victims off. the earthquakes in two days, ravina said . in two days, ravina said. frontline medical aid charity uk med says more are joining in the humanitarian efforts around are going to be providing a full time point hospital facility thatis time point hospital facility that is providing primary health care to those who need it. so that's dealing with initial kind of trauma incidents, but then also secondary and also secondary illnesses and diseases , people that have diseases, people that might have left homes without their left their homes without their medicine families and medicine and families and children. so providing that primary medical support. children. so providing that primary medical support . a man primary medical support. a man has died and a second remains in hospital following a double

stabbing in east london. officers were called to hackney wick at 430 this morning when the victims both in their twenties, arrived at hospital with knife wounds. a 26 year old later died from his injuries. forensic teams are searching the white post lane area where the incident took place. so far, no arrests have been made . while an arrests have been made. while an arrests have been made. while an arrest has been made following a protest at a drag queen storytelling event , children at storytelling event, children at london's tate britain police say the person in is suspected of making a racially aggravated comment towards an officer. the protest broke out after demonstrators by some as far right clashed with others who'd gathered in support of the event . tv, online and radio. you're with gb news. now it's back to .

neil here . here we are together again here. here we are together again for neil oliver live. now imagine a surprise for astronomers last week when they realised part of the sun had broken off . it sounds outlandish broken off. it sounds outlandish and impossible . it was certainly and impossible. it was certainly unexpected because nothing quite like it has been witnessed . i'm like it has been witnessed. i'm told. hopefully my next guest author , space expert, dr. david author, space expert, dr. david whitehouse, can offer some reassurance about what it all means. david coming in, talk of bits of the sun falling off, it's all a bit terrifying. we'll actually happened. well, bits of the sun far off all the time. i mean, they called prominence is that they are material that throws stone up into the solar atmosphere . that cooler gas and atmosphere. that cooler gas and the surrounding gas. and they're shaped by magnetic fields. and these prominences are thrown out into space and they have hundreds of billions of tonnes of matter, which is a great deal of matter, which is a great deal. see, though, one at deal. you see, though, one at about 11:00 at prominence forming hundreds of millions of tonnes of matter thrown into space. but of all, that's

space. but first of all, that's trivial the that's trivial to the sun. that's unimportant, certainly. so big that this just doesn't matter why it is important. that this just doesn't matter why it is important . this why it is important. this particular flare is this particular flare is this particular event was because it occurred high at a high latitude in the sun . now the way sunspot in the sun. now the way sunspot acts, which are magnetic blemishes on the sun, the way they come and go every 11 years in a cycle is related to these events at high latitudes . so events at high latitudes. so what they saw this explosion happening, this prominence rise up , explode and scatter around . up, explode and scatter around. it acted as a tracer for the movement of a gas. on the surface, and we've rarely seen that before. so this a pretty unique event in the sense that it allowed us to map the motion of gas and the sun's poles of which has some clues as to why the solar cycle starts. but the actual explosion in itself is really squeezing become an event. wasn't it the case, though, that what normally happens is that the material comes up and then and then and then become then just becomes part again of the mass that this in this instance, did it not

break did something permanently break did something permanently break away from the surface ? was break away from the surface? was that. yes, yes. what what usually happens with these prominences is what. what these are these are these are magnetic structures . and they rise up structures. and they rise up through the sun's surface. and as they rise up, they fill with hot gas. so you see these loops , these magnetic loops illuminate , heated bars, loops illuminate, heated bars, loops of hot gas . illuminate, heated bars, loops of hot gas. now, most of illuminate, heated bars, loops of hot gas . now, most of the of hot gas. now, most of the time, they'll fall down or or just dissipate. but sometimes the magnetic tension becomes such. the magnetic fields become wound up so much, they they collapse explosively. the heat , collapse explosively. the heat, the gas explosively. and it throws off into space. and what this one did was it threw the material back onto the north pole of the sun and we learned something about the way the nonh something about the way the north pole worked. but what often happens is that material descends, thrown into space and has a cloud of hot gas. descends, thrown into space and has a cloud of hot gas . and has a cloud of hot gas. and sometimes that can strike the earth if we're all lined up in the right way. and that gives us the right way. and that gives us

the northern lights, that's when this material is coming down and it's in the atmosphere . but also it's in the atmosphere. but also it's in the atmosphere. but also it can cause radio interference and cause problems . electricity, and cause problems. electricity, power lines . so solar flares, power lines. so solar flares, this solar weather on the surface does have an effect on earth. and we do not know exactly how the sun what the sun could throw out at us, because there have been times in the past where had it happened. now we would probably be in trouble . wasn't there? it wasn't the last significant incident was in the time of queen victoria . the time of queen victoria. quite right. it was an electromagnetic pulse. i don't know if i'm the right know if i'm using the right terminology, but it partially fried the telegraph did fried the telegraph system, did it was the only high it not, which was the only high tech. yes. so you're quite right. this is the carrington eventin right. this is the carrington event in 1859, and it was an enormous flare on the surface. we haven't seen one like it on the surface since and it's throughout a lot of material, a lot of magnetic field, magnetic energy , which because we were energy, which because we were lucky at the time the only electrical technology on the planet was was telegraph , the

planet was was telegraph, the magnetic field changing and wobbling induced currents in the telegraph lines which electrical due to people nowadays of course we live on electricity , we live we live on electricity, we live on power generation, we live on communications. and it would have affected as much more. well, i have i've actually i have mentioned this in the context of public speaking that i've done in the past, because it troubles me in my in my non—scientific way that we have so much invested in the cloud . so much invested in the cloud. you know, the server farms and all of the tech whereby everyone's life is, you is remotely located in in an insensitive electronic systems , insensitive electronic systems, i mean, an electromagnetic event on the scale of the carrington event. are we are we, you know, are google and twitter and the rest of them future proofed against? what might happen? well they say they are in the sense that broadly understand the parameters of the carrington event, and that's built into the

systems we've got at the moment since a lot of these information in an storage facility are distributed , then damage to one distributed, then damage to one is not damage to everything . but is not damage to everything. but as i said, we do not know what the sun could throw out on this. the current event was unusual had it happened. now it would certainly cause a lot of damage . but we don't even know if the carrington event, the best sun could throw the biggest sun could throw out. the biggest sun could throw out. the biggest sun could because we've could produce because we've experienced sun for only experienced the sun for only just over 100 years as an electronics society . so you're electronics society. so you're quite right . express fears that quite right. express fears that severe damage could be caused to what we take as and rely on due to solar weather. it very much interests me that we live in a solar system. we know and understand as the solar system . understand as the solar system. but when it comes to talk about the way in which planet warms and cools , i don't think ever and cools, i don't think ever adequate consideration given to the fact that we live and we

live die by the sun is 99% of the solar system . we don't seem the solar system. we don't seem to fully understand what it's capable of. well right. i mean, the sun is the energy for planet earth. i mean , the sun, you know earth. i mean, the sun, you know , because it powers everything. it powers weather, climate, living systems, absolutely everything . the internet, you everything. the internet, you from above and we understand a great deal of it. but you're right there's so much of it, we do not understand it. it's fascinating. it is totally fascinating. it is totally fascinating. it is totally fascinating. i mean, you talk about knowing parameters of what happenedin about knowing parameters of what happened in victorian age and. no, are you worried ? no. no, are you worried? no. particularly why ? because i particularly why? because i think it's is statistics. right we have a plenty of time to prepare to understand and to futureproof ourselves because such events like this or indeed being hit by an asteroid are going to happen. do you mean the future? see a carrington event building before it happened? what do you use to be there? but

only few hours like a volcano guy - only few hours like a volcano guy . so how do we prepare? how guy. so how do we prepare? how do we fill in the terms of disaster movies? what do we do? the few hours that we get before the big one? well, if we had a few hours notice and a scientist monitoring the sun which they do so yeah ground everything switches off they have plans to prepare that but these events as i said like an asteroid striking us, they're going to happen some time right . us, they're going to happen some time right. but us, they're going to happen some time right . but they're unlikely time right. but they're unlikely to happen in our lifetime but people at so people watching at home so they're not frightened. so what should they be doing ? well, if should they be doing? well, if there was such a big event as this , there would be some notice this, there would be some notice . basically, the only thing you can do at home is unplug everything because because we've got fuses. well, i wouldn't matter much. okay. of course i'm worried about a mass extinction. this planet has had mass extinctions in the past due to asteroid activity . but i suppose asteroid activity. but i suppose your broadband is going to go down as well. well well, as long as the price comes down

afterwards, don't mind. but in terms of what elon musk has been talking about, you know, about essentially century extra planetary adventures , mars, but planetary adventures, mars, but potentially on this issue, because after all, the sun is a star and it's due itself and billions years time to collapse like other stars do in the universe is any future for humankind outside of the solar system. if the technology were there, you're quite right. the sun is a yellow so—called main sequence star. they are known to be long term producers of stable energy . so good to live to next energy. so good to live to next are fortunate. the reason we here is because of our stable star and we've got the goldilocks 5 billion years in the future, give or take a flare 5 billion years of stable environment . 5 billion years of stable environment. but you're right, we are in mankind once a long term survival in the in universe. and who knows if we might last 100 years. it's a long shot. so elon musk is right to talk about mars is he would have to go out and live somewhere else but the problem mars is what he said five years.

the problem is if the sun dies and the earth his mouth dies as well. okay. but in the short term, it's possible we could go and mars or the elon and live on mars or the elon musk's billionaire are infeasible, unfeasible and because he's he wants too many to go there too quickly, he about hundreds of people of people living on mars in 20 it's time now that might happen in a thousand years but not into well he's just five is actually quite quite a short period it's a thing billionaires do and decide think do people the think billionaires do people the in the sort of trade so to speak the technological trade say there are many reasons why he can't a capsule to take can't build a capsule to take millions people to mars keep millions of people to mars keep them on mars . just, you them alive on mars. just, you know, the kind place to know, mars, the kind place to raise kids. right. to say raise your kids. right. to say in the train. people say the toilet problem because if you've got thousands of people in a spaceship, you need a pretty good life support system to keep everybody alive, to keep everything collect it, to feed them, to you know, make sure

they're alive when they get to mars. then when you get to mars, everybody will die straight away because there to because there's nothing there to support great support them. so he's got great dreams. revolutionising the dreams. he's revolutionising the exploration of space, his exploration of space, but his billion our dreams about going to a premature more to mars are a premature a more feasible , but going to have. no, feasible, but going to have. no, there is another break. i would just i would just like to remind everyone that it is, of course, turtles all the way down. the new problem . that's a problem. new problem. that's a problem. dr. david, thank you. that was terrific. i get to talk about that. absolutely. i love that we're off, not to mars. we're all off, but not to mars. and love it . but i've got and i love it. but i've got another break upon us now, after which we'll missing a pair of which we'll be missing a pair of great who from great britain's, who walked from birmingham to london highlighting health highlighting men's mental health issues the issues and raising for money the family dear, departed family of a dear, departed friend. tonight at 8 pm, tune in to a gb news investigates documentary as we the full story of the grooming gang scandal the child goes off being stolen . we child goes off being stolen. we will expose cover ups that have kept this national scandal under wraps for decades . not one

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welcome back to neil oliver live we've just got time for some emails and another that's come in over the wires jeff says once again neil you have calmed me down often i feel that i'm alone thinking many of the things you've it's great to know that are normal people still out there. we have keep seeing in there. we have keep seeing in the knowledge that there's still a massive silent majority that are seen but are just a bit quieter than the noisy in jeff's words, not mine . and cottle says words, not mine. and cottle says , i do not normally email tissues , but i want to offer my tissues, but i want to offer my support to you. believe in free speech and support, right? to

see what they feel is right . i see what they feel is right. i listen carefully every week to what say. and on the whole, i agree with you. i'm not part of the mob and just an old the twitter mob and just an old fashioned person, one the fashioned person, one of the silent please to do what silent ones. please to do what you honestly, we're running you do. honestly, we're running out say what they out of people who say what they think challenge, which is think and challenge, which is sad, ear. you're sad, lonely ear. you're considered friend. i like considered my friend. i like cattle. like cattle . let's cattle. be like cattle. let's move on to this week's great britain's . the construction britain's. the construction industry. this is this shocked me the construction industry has the highest suicide rate of any industry in the uk on average two construction workers take their own lives every single day in england and wales. their own lives every single day in england and wales . well, my in england and wales. well, my great presence tonight are committed to doing something about and to bringing positive change to the whole industry . change to the whole industry. stephen catholic and worcester join me now , i hope. gentlemen, join me now, i hope. gentlemen, thank for joining join me now, i hope. gentlemen, thank forjoining me. join me now, i hope. gentlemen, thank forjoining me . oh, you're thank for joining me. oh, you're steve. first of all, why ? why is

steve. first of all, why? why is there so much mental stress and emotional suffering in the industry ? it's a huge cocktail industry? it's a huge cocktail of just problems from all different angles . it's a hell of different angles. it's a hell of a hell . a lot of it comes down a hell. a lot of it comes down to pressure from the very, very top and it falls every step of the way . obviously, that rolls the way. obviously, that rolls downhill pressure of working environments. so the wave of people walk away from home, people walk away from home, people from working from all over the world come to construction sector because offers everyone a bit of hope. but one thing we do in the industries , we don't actually industries, we don't actually check the backgrounds of people who come our . check the backgrounds of people who come our. so check the backgrounds of people who come our . so truly who come into our. so i truly believe we inherit a hell of a lot of issues into our sector. we've actually given people the general that they deserve . general care that they deserve. is it it is some of the is it is it is some of the trauma coming from the nature of the work itself and the nature of the reality of construction sites ? x that i believe does sites? x that i believe does personally and from what we

witness is a lot of guys on site see a lot of stuff on site. and when incidents go wrong whether it be fights or just bad incidents, there's a lot trauma caused on site. but that is neven caused on site. but that is never, ever addressed. and with on earth that really from personal but then as well as that we inherit people from the military service we inherit people from the kind of prison service we inherit people from far eastern europe have been through troubled backgrounds , through troubled backgrounds, and nobody actually turns around, says , so we actually around, says, so we actually find out, actually, guys were right before they joined our sector. we just give them a ticket back home. you ticket back home. and you mentioned you mentioned people coming military as coming in from the military as well. know from from well. and i know from from working with with a support groups for veterans , groups for veterans, post—traumatic stress disorder often takes 15 years even to actually come to the surface and to manifest so i suppose if people are coming out of the army and then coming into the construction industry for a second career, they're bringing

their emotional trauma with them . yeah, we witness that day in day out we see a lot of people could be driving cranes large loads they're moving materials around that way ahead of a lot . around that way ahead of a lot. but what they've actually never realised is the guy, the vehicle has been checked for. has never been checked for. a machine gets checked every day. so it's extremely when you look at actual the realism of how at the actual the realism of how bad horrifying. and bad she is, it's horrifying. and there really is no control to there really is no control to the top of our industry to make sure that these checks are in place. we kind of at the bottom of it. we've been told to deal with it to and look out for each other talk, talk but other and talk, talk, talk but there's so much we can there's only so much can we can when realise we're getting when we realise we're getting nothing on top nothing else but pressure on top of us. shocking, shocking stuff really. you're there if really. dull. you're there if i am on a belief, what can the fire. what's your experience of. you know you're in another mean as if it needed seeing another highly stressed working environment yeah , yeah, sure environment yeah, yeah, sure i suppose the difference we it

between the two industries is that we get to shape we know we go into and stuff but from my experiences of instance on construction grounds they're not nice , it's not on your ledger of nice, it's not on your ledger of what going to be doing that day and it is it is a traumatic event. so i have an instance where. people obviously died on the on site, but they travelled in a minibus. we've with a gang if you like, now this gang is now going home. one person died and still expected to work the next day and talk to on the military side of things military have what we have in the fire service which was called trim which is trauma risk management. but once you service that trim no longer applies to you so there's no follow up of everything that you've experienced before . and that's experienced before. and that's what we're trying to promote within construction industry . within construction industry. and tell me maybe you could lead off with it. tell me about this walk and why it mattered and the

and why it gave you signs of hopeif and why it gave you signs of hope if it were for us, it was a challenge to put ourselves into dark places, i suppose, and helping other guy be what we see. it was for a massive cause as well. we're all still. hello pain is obviously on our road. we were popping into pages to sort talking to members of staff that sharing our experience and it was kind of a good way to promote the charity that we're trying to run well i think steve you know i think when people think if they think about the construction industry, i think there will be a perception that it's just big, rough, tough individuals that, you know, you wouldn't i'd be right in saying that you wouldn't associate or you be invited think you wouldn't be invited to think that be the sort of that those would be the sort of people who would who would that kind trauma. but you kind of trauma. but you know, i think, you you've really think, you know, you've really it tells own

it perhaps tells your own story, you know, evolution that you know, the evolution that you've through within the industry. yes. we've pretty industry. yes. so we've pretty always tried to play with it. you might across tough you might come across big, tough guys ' you might come across big, tough guys , but we're the softest guys, but we're the softest bunch there. we're all put guys, but we're the softest bu|this there. we're all put guys, but we're the softest bu|this bigthere. we're all put guys, but we're the softest bu|this big facade ie're all put guys, but we're the softest bu|this big facade of'e all put guys, but we're the softest bu|this big facade of who put guys, but we're the softest bu|this big facade of who wet on this big facade of who we are. but i think the brotherhood that we kind built this week between team of us up to between the team of us of up to ten us, and it was an end. ten of us, and it was an end. you come together blokes and you realise you're all the same realise you're all in the same boat together. but yeah, my story back and therefore we story goes back and therefore we 15 of troubles, we're 15 years of troubles, we're i was involved in a sulphuric acid attack in 2008 and that led onto post—traumatic stress. what was diagnosed a few years later that led on huge stomach issues. i developed ulcerative colitis a lot to stomach and all this stuff happened. and when i got my son so very to realise that stress on everything to us and we realise now how many people are killing themselves, the construction sector. but the one thing we don't actually even take into equation is how many people been killed by people have been killed by stress. we did this walk this week a very dear of week for a very dear friend of mine, martin who passed

mine, martin guest, who passed away he daughter away in december and he daughter leukaemia and he's only 11 christmas watching a few programmes and looking on it and there was a third so many stories of people close to us in our sector heart attacks, our sector having heart attacks, early early brain early cancers early brain tumours early and the from what we're doing and what these pressure everybody in the city of london is building up seen the signs the uk is coming so quick and money's coming in to develop how our country our industry is booming when the industry is booming but when the industry is booming but when the industry up that it comes industry booms up that it comes at price. i think even at a price. and i think even when look back say, the when you look back at, say, the world from qatar, the phone world cup from qatar, the phone said and what they had said the price and what they had a of people building this is a lot of people building this is happening on our doorsteps with with the fact that so with the fact that big so many of those big tough men are actually very, very soft. so i'm very one, to be honest, not to say that sort is talk. let's talk. i'm being proactive . talk. i'm being proactive. that's got to do something about it. that's kind ground and be reactive , not be reactive, reactive, not be reactive, a proactive , proactive that needs proactive, proactive that needs be more done. and we desperately

need more help in this. this does hell of a lot of money moving to the top poison getting down to the bottom to support us us. stephen kingsley until a deal worth that. thank you so much for your time. it's such it's an unexpected an unexpected source of a story we hear about in emotional stress. we hear about men needing to talk more about men needing to talk more about their feelings. but i think, you know, to hear about its source in something like the construction industry, i was shocked by statistics . so shocked by the statistics. so it's much a scenario for it's very much a scenario for great britain's. i think the fact that you're taking time out from, you know, stressful lives and liaise with stressful backs stories to contribute, to give something back and to and to lead the way to something for your for your colleagues. now and future. so thanks and in the future. so thanks both much britain's both very much great britain's both very much great britain's both yes quite, quite heartwarming . andrew, what do heartwarming. andrew, what do you make of that? you know, to in humanity taking the lives horrendous absolutely horrendous andifs horrendous absolutely horrendous and it's important that it's given what the industry i know same with doctors same with

lawyers and with various other people in different professions . then the more we . all credit to then the more we can speak about these issues the better it can help people. i want us to be the generation that speaks mental illness. so the next generation doesn't suffer stigma . and to great suffer the stigma. and to great britain's , as you rightly say, britain's, as you rightly say, are doing very, very well to do that. we don't seem to hear we never seem to get to the end of it, do more and more, it, do it or more and more, we're finding out about men and in this instance, men who are just miserable because their in their are needing . their existences are needing. yeah, what's great about yeah, well, what's great about that only great that segment, only the great britain's are appeared britain's that are appeared within it's within it. but again, it's another of why gb news another example of why gb news in the show exist to actually shine a light on. frankly, our stories sort of stories are often a sort of unfashionable about unfashionable this is about middle . you look at the middle aged men. you look at the terrible suicide stats actually the age group that's most likely to take their own is between age 45 and 54. men are twice likely to take medication . this is to take medication. this is likely to take their lives as women are, and of course, you

know, that invites any discussion about the stresses and strains on men as breadwinners in families. often the shame and the guilt that men can feel if they can't provide for their families or, you know , if they have certain addictions, alcohol and drug addictions, alcohol and drug addiction or what have you. so, you know , six and a half you know, six and a half thousand people took their lives last year in this six and a half thousand, too many, i think we the right support networks is great well, you know it's great what they're doing there are lots of brilliant so it was great it was absolutely great that it was absolutely feasible and that would people watching this show who have depressed or whatever and so on so there is help out there and i'm that within we can give appropriate links and so on and so forth that sort side. talk so forth that sort of side. talk to about it, get to somebody about it, get inspiration those guys inspiration from those guys because actually working on that sort means that you sort of basis means that you could assistance you could get the assistance you need. anyone that hasn't need. i think anyone that hasn't had a d will have just felt that they just can't on must be in they just can't on it must be in a minority of 0131 everyone yeah

after the break. musician three lou will be along to . tell us lou will be along to. tell us about the platform he has set up to help men deal with mental health problems and other issues. so we're going to continue this conversation after the break on mark dolan tonight. in the big question , following in the big question, following the airing of a shocking gb news news documentary, i'll be asking will we ever learn the lessons from the grooming gang scandal? we'll be joined by ex top maggie oliver, who exposed the scandal and filmmaker charlie peters. we've the queen of us showbiz royal political reporting kinsey plus my all star tomorrow's papers my take at 10 am. we kick off with my big we're live

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then you are where have you been. welcome back to neil oliver live. on sunday gb news will bring you an exclusive interview with the chair of the education select committee , education select committee, robyn walker, who sat down with gloria de piero. he lays out number one priority, which is child care. and for family. and it's a challenge is stopping many women and some men from being able to continue with their careers . that to me being able to continue with their careers. that to me is a problem for the whole of government. it's a problem for the treasury. it's a problem for all governments is how we can help people to be able to do that. but also, having been the schools minister, i've seen really of the early really the benefit of the early years need early years, years, the need for early years, education for children when they arrive in school. this is the reason why. when i was campaigning to become chair of the i said childcare the committee, i said childcare will be a number one issue, but we to look into we since we want to look into we since launched the inquiry and i'm looking to more looking forward to taking more evidence that. it evidence as part of that. it strikes. a lot to be strikes. there's a lot to be done make better done to make sure we better support parents and, children . support parents and, children. you can watch the full on gloria

meets that's the show that looks at the people behind the politicians every sunday at 6 pm. okay now our britain's p.m. okay now our britain's tonight raised awareness of men's mental health issues. and staying on that theme, my guest is a hugely successful musician who also dedicates much of his energy to supporting men through cnses energy to supporting men through crises in their lives. trillo is a music producer and songwriter of the award winning band architects behind big selling and streaming body groove. he has worked with usher, justin timberlake and whitney houston. but more recently, he has the leap to mentoring and thrown his weight and passion behind campaign called more when men trail joins me. campaign called more when men trail joins me . great to you trail joins me. great to you here. thanks for coming along . here. thanks for coming along. now, tell me, first of all, to give it all context, own story, because you've had struggles along the way . yeah. i mean, along the way. yeah. i mean, when i was 15, i was paralysed dunng when i was 15, i was paralysed during a routine appendicitis to me. and literally came out of that. i was given the antidote

to that and nothing was the same for me that this trek strains sensation where i fell at the room was like, move it around as like a dream sensation. and it carried on all the way. age 25, i got into a pop band. i had to navigate the space of magic. one minute you're on top of the pops. the next minute you're getting your brain scan. so it really got into the world of how do you actually show in life do you actually show up in life as a powerfully? yet dealing as a man powerfully? yet dealing with kind of health with the kind of mental health challenges unwell and challenges of being unwell and deaung challenges of being unwell and dealing very, very dealing with stuff, very, very powerful for and. powerful experience for me and. where to where you keeping it to yourself? absolutely. and it was on reasons. not just on two reasons. it's not just being man, it's also being being a man, it's also being a black man because, you know, i was aware of the stats in was well aware of the stats in terms of black men being sort of shoved in mental places in terms of i of like schizophrenic, etc. so i learnt quickly as a man and as a black man not share too much black man to not share too much about what you're dealing with and of wear a mask. and just kind of wear a mask. but everything's let too but everything's don't let too many and it a many people know. and it was a very, very challenging time because you you really felt there be serious consequences for venture that were for you to venture that you were suffering. absolutely.

suffering. yeah, absolutely. because society is because i don't think society is actually up men actually geared up to have men share authentic lay about what they're going for. so i learnt quickly, know, for instance, quickly, you know, for instance, my room and my parents were in the room and then doctor would say me, then the doctor would say to me, have actually taking have you been actually taking anything? my parents went in the room. so very quickly, room. so i learnt very quickly, just keep quiet. but we are deaung it just keep quiet. but we are dealing it up dealing with just suck it up almost as a man, you know, almost like as a man, you know, don't, don't complain to or most people too people and take it too seriously. and course, seriously. and then of course, you're a musician and, then it's tinnitus play an tinnitus that starts to play an overweening yes, that was overweening part. yes, that was one the things so one of the things i had. so i out of this, an issue that i had in hospital and i had tinnitus, a demonisation. i had pressure and them to look at me. and all of them to look at me. you never tell that had you would never tell that i had it had to really navigate it so. i had to really navigate deaung it so. i had to really navigate dealing with this stuff. and no one said i was one could actually said i was deaung one could actually said i was dealing with tinnitus was of dealing with tinnitus was one of the because of the harder ones because of course, musician, i mean, course, as a musician, i mean, can you imagine having tinnitus and navigate the and trying to navigate the world? it's just really world? so it's just really learning deal with mental learning to deal with the mental side not sure if everyone side of it. not sure if everyone and suffering silence and just suffering in silence really, you for people are really, you must for people are looking you think looking or not, you would think that just had to hide what

that you just had to hide what they wanted. you're they wanted. yeah. you're a musician? yes. how a.j, you've got success. you know, you've got success. you know, you've got that level of adulation all the time inside your head you're thinking, it's alien . and thinking, but it's alien. and you know, the funny thing about the business well, it's the music business as well, it's like, know, you're on this like, you know, you're on this pedestal and it seems like your and would allow you and stuff would allow you to shine. it's actually the shine. but it's actually the opposite happen. you opposite things that happen. you know, feel like all know, suddenly you feel like all insecurity is amplified. so every i was every insecure i had was actually amplified by that success go success where you've got to go up, show up as though things, okay, very, very challenging. so at after, how at what point and after, how long you step mentoring long did you step into mentoring did you decide that you weren't just going to deal with your demons, but you exorcise them for other people? good question. because i real because for me, i learnt real quickly. suffering must have a reading, a meaning. and then it sounds crazy to say that. but there is a reason why we suffer. and i think suffer order to and i think suffer in order to make a in the lives make a difference in the lives of other people. so i quickly learned i've been given this suffering reason. if i can suffering for a reason. if i can navigate can teach others, navigate it, i can teach others, because tinnitus, because even with tinnitus, i people up and say,

people would come up and say, i'm suffering with it and i'm really suffering with it and i'm really suffering with it and i have them navigate for i had to have them navigate for what a very, very what was a very, very challenging condition. so for all i actually use my pain all i could actually use my pain to a really difference to make a really big difference in of other people. so in the lives of other people. so it natural it was a very natural progression to go from being a music to being a to being a mentor actually impacted other people's lives. tom well, i can't you you've both on can't you you've both been on this couch, me, you know, numerous often numerous occasions. often we've often come and often had guests come in and talk . strikes me as how often talk. strikes me as how often it's trauma and hardship overcome is the making of people in so many ways, you know. well, if people have the demon inside once they confront it actually it has a great benefit having had that and confronted it and also people in the public eye as well isn't and so what was great if you prick things why not bleed if you tickle me? do i not laugh and you work on that sort of premise? it's it is extraordinary. but what extraordinary. yeah. but what really me though, what really interests me though, what point, though, as you point, though, do people, as you say have often these hidden say you have often these hidden traumas disabilities they

traumas in disabilities do they come talk about come forward and talk about them? you know, i grew them? i mean, you know, i grew up foster care. you know, my up in foster care. you know, my father committed suicide. i'd you school. no you know, i left school. no qualifications. the qualifications. it's only the last i've been to last ten years i've been able to talk about journey is why talk about that journey is why i'm involved charity that i'm involved in a charity that supports leavers for supports care leavers for example, something example, you're doing something very where many years very here where for many years you sort of have to hide that that trauma and what you know, in the case of tinnitus is like a disability that you're having to deal with in your profession. and i say that because we sort of live in a world now where, you know, people look cynically at those who say, oh, well know you're playing the victim card, you're playing the victim card, you're trying to get a career and progression. and i've got to be honest, sometimes got some sympathy view because sympathy with that view because i you know, i don't i sort of, you know, i don't think people should be defined by their childhood, their background, happened background, by what happened in the you the family. no more than you should other than for should be defined other than for being a fantastic star. you being a fantastic pop star. you know, me . oh, yeah, yeah. and know, to me. oh, yeah, yeah. and so, you know, it's that balance when advise people to how, when you advise people to how, you how do you advise them you know, how do you advise them to obviously authentic and

to be obviously authentic and honest but the honest and upfront. but the truth are often truth is people are often discriminated against for some of i mean, mental of these. yeah, i mean, mental illness about illness i think is, is about being authentically straight with and what's with yourself. and what's actually is that it's actually going on is that it's really to, easy just, you know, not not take it too seriously. you have to say, you know , if you have to say, you know, if i don't deal with this, who is going to deal with me? so you then have to just find a to navigate it and show offensive and phoniness. it's just such a challenge a true what is challenge from a true what is the of i mentioned the ethos of this i mentioned more than men is that so more than came from a room that than men came from a room that i ran clubhouse. it was during ran on clubhouse. it was during the lockdown and it was about giving men a to share what giving men a voice to share what they . that was all they were dealing. that was all it was about. and you know, even when started room, the when we started the room, the amount that tried to amount of people that tried to shut room because shut the room down because they're alright they're like, man, it's alright for guys are, you know, for men. you guys are, you know, patriarchy, blah blah. and i was like, no men not dealing with the of in the amount of people in relationships down during that time. just given men time. so it was just given men a chance to share what was going on them. and why one on for them. and that's why one of first focus is of our first focus is

relationship because for men, you with you know, dealing with relationships impossible for relationships was impossible for men deal with the breakdown men to deal with the breakdown of i something of it. you know, i something like 8% of relationships are like 75, 8% of relationships are breakdowns initiated breakdowns are initiated by women. it was really women. and for men it was really challenging deal with that . challenging to deal with that. these , strong men these are strong men, strong men deaung these are strong men, strong men dealing with. wow, i've just lost my kids and i've lost my wife. some men with suicide, some them seals. it some of them with navy seals. it was was to think. but what was it was to think. but what men deal with and what they had to deal with inside it, you know, worse, know, it just makes it worse, doesn't it, when you're in the pubuc doesn't it, when you're in the public eye, all your navy, because you're supposed be because you're supposed to be big and have big and butch and not have these feelings. you give feelings. what do you give people the first one is just be authentic about what's on. authentic about what's going on. you be really authentic you have to be really authentic about what's going on and how it's impacting life. it's actually impacting life. that's thing. the that's the first thing. the second i think for men is second thing i think for men is actually other men to actually find other men to be more about more than men. it's about brotherhood. letting share brotherhood. letting men share with because not with other men, because it's not always for mention of women always that for mention of women know men are encouraged to be know, vulnerable, etc. but for men that sounds like weak. oh my god, mom, it's going to come on to find other men that you can

share authentically share with. be authentically straight work. always straight and do the work. always do rather than that, do this rather than doing that, do this rather than doing that, do this. and you know what? can i be by before? how can i be risk by it before? how can i be risk by it before? how can i ? you know, how can i grow? you know, how can i change a situation where can people find you? can people find you? where can people find you? where can people more men and people find more than men and make wwe the more the make contact? wwe the more the men, get in touch of men, please get in touch of that. anything that you've been deaung that. anything that you've been dealing that you find it really challenging to navigate your life, for men please life, you know, for men please stephanie excellent stuff. trailer you much. trailer thank you very much. thanks much . a more important thanks so much. a more important issue about considered. issue to talk about considered. excellent. and we'll excellent. thank you. and we'll stay and hear more stay in touch and hear more about absolute great. okay. another break as a bonus to mark national apprenticeship week, we'll be speaking to someone who has made the most of such a scheme and is now a highly butcher, always to be a highly trained. and i see that sincerely those are the knife skills i won't see you shortly .

welcome back to neil oliver live. now a subject genuinely close to my heart is , that of close to my heart is, that of apprenticeship . i think an apprenticeship. i think an apprenticeship. i think an apprenticeship is just a wonderful opportunity and this week just past has been national apprenticeship week . it makes so apprenticeship week. it makes so much sense to me to ensure time honoured skills and professions are passed from generation to generation . and then there's the generation. and then there's the obvious point that in practical skills is for many young people, far more appealing than the thought of academia, which is so pushed at everyone. no so my final guest tonight is a prime example of apprentice and the success therein near term is no . a level three advanced butcher skills that i can only envy . hi. skills that i can only envy. hi. thank you for joining skills that i can only envy. hi. thank you forjoining . no, it's thank you for joining. no, it's lovely. i seriously i'm not i'm not blowing smoke yet. i really the very idea of apprentice shipping. congratulations and well done. thank you. what does it mean to be a level three advanced bucha? what can you ? it

advanced bucha? what can you? it means a person like a. i can , means a person like a. i can, you know. so i started my level two rates arbitrary thus so teaching you the basics how to do like breakdown of full carcase level phrase most day way flight management run in your business looking into like first and it's a bit more like general safety of food management what attracted you i mean male or female i'm not sure how many people think instinctively of going into the butchery trade what what was it for you and i actually started on a saturday as a satellite girl, a dear friend of mine is actually a butcher. and who actually a butcher. and who actually lives in my china across the management training . across the management training. she got me started on a saturday and i was sick for an and ijust and i was sick for an and i just didn't feel it was the right for me. i really found a passion that i hadn't felt for quite a long time . that skull and i just

long time. that skull and i just decided, you know , i think this decided, you know, i think this actually could be quite good career path. and i, i was it you know when you are confronted how do they bring you into you know you see you can break down a whole carcase what do you what do you start with it? you start with that you start with a little on you. so you just think like you learn about that like the general and itself of the animal and you working with i have personally watched some of the best butchers in the uk and i think that just work in the environment with the shop you pick up day to day like how to just do general things within within the itself. i suppose so . yeah. tom it's dear to your heart as well isn't it. the whole, the whole conscious set of, you know, within your education remit, perhaps even. yeah.in education remit, perhaps even. yeah. in internal self my day job. and of course national

friendship weeks been around i think 16 now . and it's think 16 years now. and it's important isn't it, as a country now that we do celebrate these wonderful success stories because actually for so many years now the and we're all guilty of it, you know, success is somehow a clutch of and a—levels and off you go to university and you're going to earn all this money when you graduate. of course, that sort of perspective has broken down. yes. it's the route for some. it's not others. and what i'm really passionate about is that we have post compulsory and we have a post compulsory and skill in this country skill system in this country that meets the needs of 100% all of young , you know, of our young, you know, switzerland sends to thousands actually these young people from school into quality apprenticeships . we've just apprenticeships. we've just heard of a fantastic apprenticeship frankly, apprenticeship here, frankly, in those areas of skill and mastery , competence, i think you're qualified a year ahead of time as well. didn't you past as well. didn't you see past your assessment? this your end point assessment? this is you know, passing, is like, you know, passing, driving test six months early or something. so great credit to you. it just shows how brilliant you. it just shows how brilliant you were with the mastery of those the is ,

those skills. but the truth is, we're up enough we're not opening up enough opportunity for young people who want through that. want to go through that. ucas, which the university sort of which is the university sort of central register, opens 700,000 accounts every year for young people. nearly 300,000 of them say, i want to do a degree apprenticeship, i'd rather do the learning and earning route rather than do the what i call pay rather than do the what i call pay and pray route where you borro w £54,000 off the borrow £54,000 off the government over three years. and, know, so you going to and, you know, so you going to get a job pay more than national minimum at end of it. minimum wage at the end of it. so, you know, had these so, you know, i've had these discussions the skills discussions with the skills minister. do more, minister. we've got to do more, i in this country to open i think, in this country to open up more, but particularly low skilled and earning skilled learning and earning routes not routes so that we're not saddling people. all saddling young people. so all the young people with are the young people with that are learning now have learning and earning now have you in butchery ? you now got a job in butchery? yes. so i've been employed since i started my that's the same employee from day one. yes. yeah, yeah, yeah. so, you know and obviously, obviously veganism and, the rest is on the march. but is butchery a as a trade still plenty of work out

there for someone with you're kind of skills and aptitudes . kind of skills and aptitudes. yes yeah definitely . obviously yes yeah definitely. obviously vague vagueness is happening, but i think it's just the way the world is governed , you know, the world is governed, you know, it's just a big change is happening. i, i very much believe that, you know , it will believe that, you know, it will believe that, you know, it will be around for years because it is it is a thing that has been around for years and it will continue to be like a growing thing and something the people will support . thing and something the people will support. but yeah, i'm really inspired me genuinely to hear stories this because that one dimensional approach tom's talking about with education and further education then it only appeals to or it should only why wouldn't it just appeal to a narrow band you're absolutely right for rest of that rainbow of colours of jobs fulfilling ways to make a living . ways to make a living. apprenticeships should be we

discussing this in the break that so much going on in the break as well. well what i love it is that if you do something you're passionate about, you're really passionate about, you'll never do a day's work in your life. and i do think that the people can get exposed the more people can get exposed to a career path to real jobs with a career path as well. mean, it's as well. i mean, it's a brilliant and a brilliant testament you had the testament to how you had the scars were telling scars as well. you were telling us done quite well with us you've done quite well with how many in terms women because you associate . you don't normally associate. and changed as a and maybe it's changed as a profession women were profession how many women were your apprenticeship route as well ? you know what the well? you know what the percentages are, you know, and see many other female butchers almost full on the percentage of how women are actually how many women are actually enrolled on apprenticeship enrolled on the apprenticeship scheme . but i have worked with scheme. but i have worked with some of the highest qualified butchers and they are women good and so i probably know about five women that are qualified butchers but you you still get people come in the shop saying, oh, you know it's really great seeing women in here. and that is saying more and. i think the

fact that the public are supporting women, you know come in and they give me very good criticism and i love to advertise. what's a good criticism? what's a good criticism? what's a good criticism of a butcher is get to see a woman innovate . oh, yeah , see a woman innovate. oh, yeah, that's good. yeah. i mean , it's that's good. yeah. i mean, it's yeah, it's definitely i mean, it's interesting . it not it's interesting. it not a masculine environment. yeah you know, a butchery business or a butcher shop, is it not a predominantly masculine trait ? predominantly masculine trait? are you saying that there's plenty of women in that as well i think i think it is , yes. it i think i think it is, yes. it is seen as being a more masculine trade. and there are still more men in. the trade compared to women . but i think, compared to women. but i think, you know, the women that in it are very strong we've we're we're qualified with an inspiration on your own. so i'm going to have to i'm going to if you get to the end of the show in a bit. thank you so much for

in. that's all from your neil oliver live tonight my thanks as always to my panel. tom buchanan, andrew people. don't go anywhere because coming right up special report. up is a tv news special report. hello jonathan, what hello there. and jonathan, what we weather we hear your latest weather updates from the office. we're seeing temperatures good few degrees saturday degrees above average saturday and set to continue into and that is set to continue into sunday due to high sunday as well. it's due to high pressure the pressure being situated to the south u.

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comes shortly after. merseyside police arrested 15 people aged between 13 and 54, following the violent protests on friday. security has been increased following the incident with reinforced and a police presence . the chief, martin griffiths , . the chief, martin griffiths, warned that the death toll in turkey , syria from monday's turkey, syria from monday's earthquakes could double. his comments come as the number of deadin comments come as the number of dead in southern and northern syria nears 26,000, despite conditions, rescuers have continued to find some survivors in rubble. but they say the window is closing. mr. griffiths says the un will carry separate aid appeals for turkey , syria in aid appeals for turkey, syria in the coming days. aid appeals for turkey, syria in the coming days . a man has died the coming days. a man has died and a second remains in hospital following a double stabbing and he london officers were called to hackney wick at 430 this morning when the victims both in their twenties, arrived at hospital with knife wounds . a 26

hospital with knife wounds. a 26 year old later died from his injuries. forensic teams are searching the white post lane area . the incident took place area. the incident took place and so far no arrests have been made . while an arrest has been made. while an arrest has been made. while an arrest has been made following a proto death at a drag queen, storytelling event for children at london's tate britain, police say the person in custody is suspected of making a racially aggravated comment towards an officer. the protest out after demonstrators described by some as far right clashed with others who'd gathered in support of the event and the coronation emblem for king charles and the queen consort have been unveiled. it was created former apple designer jony was created former apple designerjony ive. it features image of st edward's crown will be used to crown the monarch and was inspired by the king's of nature. the emblem includes the rose of england , the thistle of rose of england, the thistle of scotland , the daffodil of wales scotland, the daffodil of wales and, the shamrock of