coming up on today's camilla tominey show . coming up on today's camilla tominey show. i'm going to be speaking to tobias ellwood, the tory mp who loves to hate boris johnson. does see him as an johnson. does he see him as an asset or a misery? we're going to be speaking to former military chiefs, a simon male,

about defences do we have about our defences do we have enough? and i'm going to be speaking chairman speaking to the former chairman of association, of the footballer association, david , about david bernstein, about this newly plan for a super newly revived plan for a super league. but first, here's the news headlines with anderson . news headlines with anderson. good morning . it's exactly 931. good morning. it's exactly 931. here's the latest . the labour here's the latest. the labour party is urging the bbc chairman to consider his position after mps found he breached standards when applying for the role. the cross—party committee , says cross—party committee, says richard sharp, made significant errors of judgement when he failed to declare his role in helping to secure a loan for the then prime minister, boris johnson. shadow culture secretary lucy powell is questioning whether he's still able to uphold and independence at the broadcaster. i think this report , it really is an report, it really is an unprecedented report, means that mr. sharp's position is increased ingly untenable and he

really should now reflect on whether he's able to carry that very important role , adds the very important role, adds the bbc chair to uphold public trust and independence of the bbc . the and independence of the bbc. the death toll from earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria has now passed 28,000. some rescue operations have been halted in turkey after reports of looting whilst hundreds of thousands have now been made homeless in the middle of winter . the brother of murdered two year old james bulger says never forgive the killers. three decades after the crime , james decades after the crime, james was snatched from a shopping centre and killed by two men formerly known as john venables and robert thompson , aged ten at and robert thompson, aged ten at the time in merseyside , died in the time in merseyside, died in 1993. john venables is currently behind bars. michael ferguson says he should stay there to give justice for james on says he should stay there to give justice forjames on tv says he should stay there to give justice for james on tv , give justice for james on tv, onune give justice for james on tv, online and on derby plus radio . online and on derby plus radio. this is gb news. back now to

camilla tominey. well, good morning . happy sunday well, good morning. happy sunday to you. don't go anywhere . we to you. don't go anywhere. we couldn't have a more jam packed show if we tried. obviously, in the week, the president's visit to the uk gave that extraordinary address to . extraordinary address to. westminster hall. we're going to be talking a lot about defence. so i've got tobias ellwood coming chair of the coming on, who's chair of the defence committee. defence select committee. i'm also going speaking to also going to be speaking to simon a former deputy also going to be speaking to sim0|of a former deputy also going to be speaking to sim0|of defence)rmer deputy also going to be speaking to sim0|of defence staff, deputy also going to be speaking to sim0|of defence staff, about' chief of defence staff, about whether adequately whether we are adequately protected against foreign threats and indeed whether we've got these british jets got these british fighter jets to to ukraine. and we're to supply to ukraine. and we're going to have a football chat, but not kind of boring. but not your kind of boring. i'll a game two halves i'll it's a game of two halves and offside rule nonsense. we're going discussing whether going to be discussing whether football descended the football has descended into the gutter with plan for gutter with this plan for a super league and this whole nofion super league and this whole notion that actually the beautiful game being beautiful game is being corrupted. all that more

corrupted. so all that and more to let's just run you to come. let's just run you through newspaper headlines to come. let's just run you th|begin newspaper headlines to come. let's just run you th|begin with.3wspaper headlines to come. let's just run you th|begin with.3wspaperthe1dlines to come. let's just run you th|begin with.3wspaperthe sun es to begin with. front of the sun times now . this story runs and times now. this story runs and runs, doesn't it, chairman undermined trust in bbc. runs, doesn't it, chairman undermined trust in bbc . this is undermined trust in bbc. this is again in relation to the story of boris johnson's relationship with richard sharpe, the front of the sun telegraph goes with british weapons could be made in ukraine a story about the idea of us. perhaps helping to make munitions. there sir. simon miles got an opinion on that and the fact that we perhaps don't make enough of our own on home soil. the observer secret cross party summit held to confront failings of brexit. who would have thought it? politicians from either sides of the divide actually getting on the mail on sunday uk force is too small to combat russians, says nato . combat russians, says nato. again, we're going to touch on that with our defence chaps on the front of the sunday mirror. i did cheat on vanessa again and again. this is vanessa feltz now

ex ben giving an in the mirror in front of the sunday express james bulger killer must die in prison says brother they've a scoop with james by which his older brother which i think we're going to get on in just a moment and then this, of course, another story that we keep on saying, pages. nicola saying, the front pages. nicola of two men, the sun on sunday they're saying the police need to investigate the sighting of two men. now, i'm going to in my crufts winning news hound if i may call you that, martin townsend, which which which did on top you bit of cross but you you are news hound at the end of the day you were former editor of the sunday express old of the sunday express my old stable magazine so you stable and 0c magazine so you know news onions what have know your news onions what have you chosen for biggest store of the . well there are the weekend. well there are several really big this weekend but i think the whole for me at the biggest story is they still the biggest story is they still the disappearance nicholas . yeah the disappearance nicholas. yeah it's two weeks now the partner went on channel five and

basically said he's100% certain that his isn't in this river. and there's a number of different detectives questioning the police his approach to this. mhm. well i think it's difficult to say that 100% that she's not in the for river a, for a start off because i think the points made actually this in one of the stories, i think the one that we have up on the screen there that someone from the rnli makes the point that you know, you had these and you had kind these ads and you had these kind of currents rivers and, you of currents in rivers and, you know, has fallen in, she know, if she has fallen in, she could been pushed all over could have been pushed all over the maybe out to sea. the place and maybe out to sea. so know, don't think it's so you know, i don't think it's as simple as just saying she's not in the river. i don't quite know how to that know how can come to that conclusion. and i do think actually of all actually in the middle of all this, the police have this, i think the police have been well, i think becoming been well, i think it's becoming very i think that's one very heated. i think that's one of the problems with it. i sympathise with the family about all speculation on social all the speculation on social media, not helpful, but media, which is not helpful, but some is downright some of it is downright but is but something was but is something which was obviously happen obviously going to happen because bona fide mystery because it's a bona fide mystery

. to me ever so . it's beginning to me ever so slightly of the column. corrie mckeague disappearance, you know, the body that fell into the bin and then into the. and that truck did similar speculation. all sorts of things, but only in the sense that , you know, i things, but only in the sense that, you know, i really things, but only in the sense that , you know, i really nothing that, you know, i really nothing like that has happened to nikki. i will say that i hope she's brought home safely, but my . the brought home safely, but my. the reason i say is because truth is often stranger than fiction i think, particularly when it comes to people disappearing and that was a story where, as you say, there was endless speculation . it was idea that speculation. it was idea that he'd run back to scotland, that he'd run back to scotland, that he'd had problems at the barracks with this, that and the other. you know, run into other. and, you know, run into problems other squaddies, problems with other squaddies, etc. was very, etc. in the end it was very, very straightforward awful. very straightforward and awful. he the scots got drunk, fallen into a bin , been loaded into into a bin, been loaded into a refuse . the family basically refuse. the family basically saying, look, you've looked to the can we now extend the river now. can we now extend the river now. can we now extend the fields around the search the fields around some of her friends said some of her friends they said that's to that's where she used to typically walk dog . yes typically walk the dog. yes let's send them best

let's just send them our best love wishes. i mean, love and best wishes. i mean, for the two daughters, it's just absolutely heartbreaking. it is awful. no. it's the awful. it is. no, no. it's the not knowing it. absolutely. not knowing it. yes absolutely. but know, the but i think, you know, the important thing is that the family going try and keep family are going to try and keep this going. launched this going. they've launched a campaign everyone to campaign today for everyone to wear these yellow badges. they want momentum going . and want to keep momentum going. and i think that's really important. and, godspeed. and, you know, godspeed. bring her now , you've chosen her back now, you've chosen investigation the this very investigation of the this very interesting story about the tavistock . now, tell me about tavistock. now, tell me about this, because there have been concerns about this clinic for some whole was some time. the whole thing was blown because i think blown apart because i think there a number there were a number of whistleblowers who said, look, they're these very strong hormone blockers , very young hormone blockers, very young children who perhaps shouldn't be medical ized in this way. yeah, this is an interesting story. this because it's come out of back of the publication of a book which is been prompted by various clinicians coming forward from this unit, which was at the tavistock called the gender identity development service and basically what some of these clinicians are saying

is that children were given sort of one face to face interview with a clinician and then put onto puberty blockers and. they're talking about a thousand children being put onto don't% yes and so basically what what it's looking like is a cut of mass this what's been compared to east germany's doping of athletes . it's become this kind athletes. it's become this kind of mass sort of diagnosis and mass treatment of these children . and i think where the there's a irony here terrible irony here in the sense that, you know , in the sense that, you know, with transitioning, i mean, obviously the of this the individual that's what is what it's all about it's the individual's right to live the gender that they want to live in. so, you know, that's what? the whole point of transition training here, people are sort of being herded into great groups with seemingly very little sort of clinical of observation or anything like that and a lot of those children have suffered from mental illness, were suffering from mental illnesses , had autism.

mental illnesses, had autism. yeah.i mental illnesses, had autism. yeah. i was going to say about the author who incidentally, we're having on the next week, she's going to to on this she's going to come to on this book. she has pointed this book. but she has pointed this link to children with autism being over represented in the patient lists, which i think is interesting. mean, what's it interesting. i mean, what's it saying about the medicalisation of kids who might just be a bit damaged and need some counselling and some help ? well, counselling and some help? well, exactly. i mean the problem is that the that the need to transition gender is seen as a you know the sort of the mental illness is seen as is the cause of that with a not sort of what are the symptoms or anything. so they've sort of got it round the wrong way. i mean, my problem with that, my father was bipolar , you know, sort of campaigned quite a on bipolar illness, quite a lot on bipolar illness, hitting book it single hitting book it every single bipolar patient is different . bipolar patient is different. you know so and all of sort of symptoms that they display are slightly different. you know, obviously they're high and they're low at different times of the but every bipolar of the year. but every bipolar

is an individual. everybody that suffers from an autism is individual. everyone suffers from any kind of mental health problem is an individual should have thought that they need more than to point. absolutely. and this is herding of people. i just think it's absolutely shameful. you've chosen us shameful. and you've chosen us exclusive the this exclusive for the weekend. this is page of your old is on the front page of your old newspaper this newspaper and mine. this interview and the sunday interview that and the sunday express got with james express has got with james bulger's again, bulger's brother. now, again, that's another story that because was just so horrific because it was just so horrific at the time and i'm very young when it happened, but even i remember and this notion remember it. and this notion that the family, quite rightly think just won't accept these killers who were children , killers who were children, that's why it caused so much controversy . being released from controversy. being released from prison . yeah. and i think a lot prison. yeah. and i think a lot of people are going to have a lot of sympathy that. i lot of sympathy with that. i think i remember i think think for me, i remember i think we all remember that the sort of crimes taking place, they were so horrendous that they fell into that very category of evil. i think , and i use the word i think, and i use the word special , you know, sort of special, you know, sort of

because they are they're very unique, an awful . yeah. where unique, an awful. yeah. where i just don't think it's possible to think about redemption and i just feel that , you know, if just feel that, you know, if someone is the capable of committing the terrible crimes that were committed against that three year old child back in 1993, the footage it of him being taken by the hand in that shopping in bootle equally it's the debate and funnily enough later on the generation gap i'm going to be talking about shamima begum you know and whether children can be liable legally criminal libel over legally for criminal libel over the age of ten. there are a lot of people who are sympathising with the and you know with the and saying you know they know what they they didn't know what they doing. i have children doing. i have three children myself. you've three myself. you've got three children. kids know what doing myself. you've got three chil

have stayed in prison and. you know, i will shift from know, i will never shift from that. i felt really feel for that. and i felt really feel for this brother. i think it's terrific exclusive that the sunday got today. they sunday express got today. they had great over this , had some great ones over this, if you it, too. they're if you read it, too. they're doing exactly it. david wooding, he's well. i he's doing extremely well. and i think is fantastic story think this is a fantastic story that and i really feel that he's got. and i really feel for the brother because little james been 32, 33. james would have been 32, 33. now brother has never had the chance to know him. the boy was snatched away. and i just feel if you were that man, if you were that brother would think think about that child single day. it's terror watch james day. and it's terror watch james his parents just briefly. martin unlikely story of the weekend. i mean, i say it's unlikely because it's this cross—party wmmw because it's this cross—party summit. so there seems to be some astonishment to the observer that the likes of michael gove, david lammy, can get together, britain's get together, discuss britain's post—brexit future. i mean, is there anything wrong with . well, there anything wrong with. well, i say, first of all, i have to say, first of all, michael gove is actually one of my politicians. i love my favourite politicians. i love michael i know why michael gove. i don't know why i just it. i'm not what people just do it. i'm not what people disagree some people disagree with. some people think

he's but he's an acquired taste, but i think he's a good thing. think he's just a good thing. i think he's just a good thing. i think he's just a good thing. i think he's a proper politician and he does things and i think he does things properly and i think getting together a cross—party on together a cross—party summit on this brilliant idea and this is a brilliant idea and i actually were more actually wish there were more cross—party far key cross—party summits on far key issues. defence spending, issues. nhs, defence spending, even all sorts of stuff. even just all sorts of stuff. martin townsend, thank you very much me this much for joining me this morning. to see you. morning. a pleasure to see you. well, we have well, as you know, we have a people's panel travels the people's panel that travels the length the length and breadth of the country finding out. what you think about the stories, my show, too we show, because far too often we think broadcasters ignore think broadcasters just ignore the want to do the audience we don't want to do that utley our news that olivia utley is our news political correspondent and she's maidstone . olivia, she's in maidstone. olivia, what's chat there ? good what's the chat there? good morning . good morning. camilla morning. good morning. camilla yes, i'm down here in maidstone. kent with our fantastic people's panel and i've been chatting to them about what they think is them about what they think is the biggest facing britain today. and they've got some very interesting answers. so i'll introduce them to you in a moment. but first, we're here . moment. but first, we're here. liz bistro on maidstone high street, lovely little cafe . and street, lovely little cafe. and i'm going to introduce you now

to dyer, who's the owner of last bistro. and how's business going for you? dash business is going very well. hoxton is not. you bet. we've been more busy. last other years, but this year our fingers to do with especially . fingers to do with especially. yeah people are struggling a lot. i think home businesses and other things too are the other rising bills a big, big problem for is especially . city one. for is especially. city one. because just that i find it very like over 80% up from last year . absolutely and we know that's problem facing businesses up and down the but it's great to hear that leah's bistro is doing so well so i'm thank so much for having us today. thank you. having us here today. thank you. and without further ado, this is our fantastic panel of gb news viewers , and i'm going to viewers, and i'm going to introduce them to you now. this is ben. ben is a postman at down in sevenoaks , very nearby. and in sevenoaks, very nearby. and ben, we talking earlier, you are a floating voter. you voted conservative before , but you've conservative before, but you've also voted labour . is there also voted labour. is there anything which persuade you to

vote conservative this time around? is there anything that rishi sunak could do over the coming months if he actually starts to get the job done, then that may tempt me to go back just for clarity . i haven't just for clarity. i haven't voted. labour have voted for and the brexit party, but not laboun the brexit party, but not labour, not yet . i don't know labour, not yet. i don't know what the future holds, but certainly if either a he starts to actually get jobs done then i might be i may consider back or if he were to resign and lee anderson was the leader. thank you very much . yes, lee anderson you very much. yes, lee anderson is , a popular guest on tv's is, a popular guest on tv's actually, so it's nice that we also talked a bit earlier. of course brexit is in a bit of trouble at the moment. there's this interesting meeting that's going on between michael gove and david lammy talking about the failings of brexit. how do you feel that brexit's you feel that that brexit's going? you think rishi sunak going? do you think rishi sunak could more the could be doing more to grasp the opportunities leaving the opportunities that leaving the eu is 100% he needs to start getting the jobs actually done again without risking repeating

myself? he's got the golden tickets, he's got the winning numbers . tickets, he's got the winning numbers. he's just not using it . maybe that says about in that he's just not capable of doing the job enough, which is again, if don't have right man if you don't have the right man in or women in charge of in charge or women in charge of your business, you're not going to anywhere. he needs to go anywhere. he needs start really, really he's not really, really taking he's not getting done and i getting the job done and i just don't doing it. and it don't see him doing it. and it is a bit of a yes. it's not a perfect start. i but what isn't, you know, when people start needing job or whatever, it doesn't well, but you doesn't work out well, but you can better. you put your can make it better. you put your mind absolutely . thank you mind to it absolutely. thank you very pretty stark very much. that's a pretty stark message prime minister message for the prime minister that you think the that what do you think is the biggest issue the prime biggest issue facing the prime minister? think here in minister? i think here in maidstone and, in kent, generally we're very conscious of lack of control on our of the lack of control on our borders . i up and down borders. and i think up and down the people are absolutely apoplectic that we have not actually got control . we've got actually got control. we've got people coming in there with , no people coming in there with, no idea who they are and. it's a national security risk . national security risk. absolutely. thank you so much . absolutely. thank you so much. coming. we know many people feel

the same rise. we're going to come to you a little bit later in the show, because i've got to go back to camilla, but hold on. thank you so much for now. back to camilla the studio, the to camilla in the studio, the south in south people's panel in maidstone. very much maidstone. thank very much for that, yes, we'll that, olivier. yes, raf, we'll come in just a minute. i come to you in just a minute. i love that ringing endorse meant for he to be for lee anderson. he seems to be the of the moment. however the tory of the moment. however we've tory the we've got another tory of the moment coming. don't forget if you to apply for the you want to apply for the people's panel a future show, people's panel on a future show, go to gb views uk forward go to gb views dot uk forward slash now one tory to slash panel. now one tory to another. ellwood joins another. tobias ellwood joins me now. you can hear now. tobias, i hope you can hear me chairman defence me chairman of the defence select former soldier select committee former soldier all round hero if i may say that tobias now we've had in the week president zelenskyy coming here and saying that he wants british jets. we've got rishi sunak saying, well, we can train some ukrainian fighter pilots here , ukrainian fighter pilots here, but he's prevaricating over providing this aircraft . who's providing this aircraft. who's right? zelenskyy or rishi sunak ? well, it was a powerful

performance, wasn't it, by president zelenskyy, i mean a huge gravitas , really exhibiting huge gravitas, really exhibiting the wartime leader characteristics that he's come to be recognised for. but his message was to say, stay the course , this war is not over. course, this war is not over. you've given us tanks. that was a painful debate in its own right. but tanks alone is not able to win the battle. tanks need top cover. so in calling for aircraft what he was actually saying not just to britain but to the west, was we need further. we've got a russian and continuation of the war likely to take place in the spnng war likely to take place in the spring with. putin's offensive i need that cover to be able to provide us that means if you're going to request planes such as this we need to get ukrainian cadets into the western flight schools would also think about that air. he stated yes, i need fast jets. it's good to see that russia's air force is not able to dominate the skies at all. that's because of the air

defences that we've given already , but it takes about four already, but it takes about four or five years to train a fast jet pilot. it may be other ways that we can assist and this is where rishi sunak was right to look at all options . the a—10 look at all options. the a—10 thunderbolt example a powerful aircraft that was used in afghanistan that could be used. you could use drone aircraft as well to provide that top cover, even the super takano as well can fire all the weapon just about air to air air to ground to bypass jet pilot can fire so these the things i think we need to start considering but it sounds to me and this is a rare situation and for you to be into bias that you're actually with bofis bias that you're actually with boris johnson here because he's calling for this air cover, you're calling for it. why is rishi sunak . well, interesting rishi sunak. well, interesting that you said to spin it that way. i wish boris would have sent more equipment earlier on. he did his best, but. and britain has done well. give it . britain has done well. give it. in fact, you know, pushing the envelope of what west was envelope of what the west was willing to send. i mean, the bigger picture is that we've

been spooked by putin. he's taken advantage of timidity. how risk averse we've become. we need to rekindle that cold war statecraft . this isn't just statecraft. this isn't just about ukraine. make it very, very clear. this is about russia taking on the west, redesigning eastern europe. you know, if the war hadn't happened, inflation in the uk would be 4, 4, not 11. where it is now, how different the negotiations would be with the negotiations would be with the public sector. you on pay reviews if that was the case. it's in our interest to resolve this. it's in our interest to close this down in 2023. but putin doesn't want that. he wants to drag this out into the long game . he can then win. so i long game. he can then win. so i think there's i'm afraid shaun's a very unhelpful light on to our own defence posture because our army is too small. well, that's getting to that in just a minute, air force too small . minute, air force too small. let's get on to that. just minute you did mention that you did clash in the past with mr. johnson about land defences

versus cyber . just have your versus cyber. just have your exchange which i think we can play exchange which i think we can play out now those concepts of fighting being told in here on the european landmass which i it will drive it are over and there are other better things that we should be investing in in the forecast of the future combat air system in cyber. forecast of the future combat air system in cyber . this is air system in cyber. this is hot. this is warfare . the future hot. this is warfare. the future is going to be it be fought in our advance early warning systems and. that is where we need to be. i think that the investments that we are making, you can't claim but say a new day in holy ground technology . day in holy ground technology. so that was you saying to mr. that was back in november 2021 at the liaison committee. tobias, you said you can't hold the ground cyber. so boris johnson was wrong then . oh, johnson was wrong then. oh, completely wrong. and i think he now that i mean, this whole idea that we were going to move our

entire defence posture to sort of cyber and space security at the cost our land warfare capabilities. the cost our land warfare capabilities . you know, back in capabilities. you know, back in 1990, at the end of the cold war, we had over 900 battle tanks and we've cut back down now to about 148 frigates and destroyers had over 50 of those protecting our sea lanes around the world. you we brace globalisation. we need to continue to protect those you can't do that with just 18 frigates and destroyers and we had 36 squadrons of fastjet we're down to about seven today, you know, really still on a peacetime budget . we've moved peacetime budget. we've moved into a new era of insecurity. i make it really we're still in denial. another cold war has started not one front, but on two fronts with russia and china . and my concern is that russia and china , i'm not going to and china, i'm not going to coalesce. they're not going to merge together knowing that they can the international can exploit the international rules order unless we rules based order unless we stand up and. that's what britain's done in the past should be need to do in the

future. should the should the defence secretary ben wallace resign? rishi sunak doesn't resign? if rishi sunak doesn't commit to 3% of gb to be defence spending , it's for ben to decide spending, it's for ben to decide his position. i will defend ben wallace in behind the scenes, trying to encourage and recognise the need to prevent peacetime defence is not enough. you know, as say this, we've entered this new era insecurity all nato nations need to up to 3, not least ours . it's not just 3, not least ours. it's not just the equipment. can i say. it's actually also to do to do with stockpiles of weapons systems . i stockpiles of weapons systems. i visited belfast last with the defence select committee. they staff street antimissile . quite staff street antimissile. quite incredible. we've actually stopped making these a few years ago. we only have six left, 60 of these left in our stockpiles . we need to start to rekindling these assembly lines to make the equipment that's needed for the threats that we now face that are coming faster over the

horizon. and we really are not in a position with so poorly defended. now, even germany saying that we can't take on our responsibilities. i know we're going to be covering as well a little later in the show. tobias let's just get on to politics very briefly. there's been a poland the telegraph suggests that come the next general election , conservatives might election, conservatives might fall into third place behind and the snp now also got other approval polls. whether you like it or low that the boris johnson evenis it or low that the boris johnson even is least popular remains more popular than rishi sunak and liz truss so you must say bofisis and liz truss so you must say boris is an electoral asset come the next general election don't you tobias. he's an incredible communicator, there's no doubt about it . but let's not forget about it. but let's not forget why he ended being thrown out by his own ministers , you know, 50 his own ministers, you know, 50 resigning in day because he wasn't telling the truth. and all these polls are interesting. of course they are . but the most of course they are. but the most critical poll that's important is whether prime minister has the support of their own

backbench mps. without that a non—starter. we saw that with liz truss as well . if you have liz truss as well. if you have the support of the mp , anderson the support of the mp, anderson seems to be lee anderson seems to be very popular. tobias i mean, we're having a serious conversation here, you know, leading the country. yes we need to be able to command all tribes in the conservative party from the centre ground and appeal to the centre ground and appeal to the whole of the nation not just to a particular angle, a particular cohort a particular particular cohort a particular part of the spectrum , which i part of the spectrum, which i appreciate. lee anderson does i get it? well, indeed not on your programme, mr. i need to cut it there. thank so much for your time this morning. coming up, i'm going to be speaking to former defence to simon mail. but first, here's a quick.

welcome back. now i've got plenty more to come on the show. stay tuned. i'm going to be speaking to former military chiefs. simon male about whether we adequately we are adequately defensive against foreign threats. i'm also going to be having a discussion about football with former chairman fa, david former chairman of the fa, david bernstein, and raymond calderon, the president of real

the former president of real madrid, about these plans for a super league. but first, here's the ray the news headlines with ray edison . coming up to 10:01 on edison. coming up to 10:01 on addison in the gb newsroom. the labour party is urging the bbc chairman to consider his position after mps found that he breached standards when applying for the role across party committee, says richard sharp made significant errors of judgement when he failed to declare that he'd helped boris johnson to secure a loan when he was prime minister shadow culture secretary lucy powell is questioning whether he still able to uphold trust and in dependence in the broadcaster . dependence in the broadcaster. it is report. it really is unprecedented report means that mr. sharp's position is increasingly untenable and he really should now reflect on whether he's able to carry out that very important role as the bbc chair to uphold public trust

and independence of the bbc. the death toll from monday's earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria has now passed 28,000. some rescue operations have been halted in turkey after reports of looting whilst hundreds of thousands have been made homeless in the middle of winter. one shiver coughis middle of winter. one shiver cough is the former turkish ambassador to the united kingdom . he told us the focus is now on the survivors . the search and the survivors. the search and rescue operations are probably coming to an end because it has been almost a week now . and been almost a week now. and although yesterday there were some survivors who had been rescued from under the rubble , rescued from under the rubble, and i think it is probably coming to an end now the most important thing is said this sustainability of these survivors . and to create the survivors. and to create the living conditions for them because it is very difficult. there's still no electricity and no heating . the brother of no heating. the brother of murdered two year old james

bolger says he'll never forgive the killers. three decades after the killers. three decades after the crime . james was snatched the crime. james was snatched from a shopping centre and killed by two men formerly known as john venables and robert thompson, aged ten at the time in merseyside in 1993. john venables is currently behind bars . michael fergus says he bars. michael fergus says he should stay there to give justice for james. a should stay there to give justice forjames. a second justice for james. a second unidentified flying object has been shot down by the us military, this time over canada. canadian forces will now recover and analyse the wreckage of the cylindrical object is believed to be similar to the chinese surveillance balloon shot down off the us coast. a week ago . off the us coast. a week ago. and harry styles dominated the brit awards last night, winning all four of those. he was nominated for, including album and artist of the year. the former one direction and star acknowledged what he called his privilege in his speeches. the annual music event at london's o2 arena faced a backlash over its gender neutral categories

this year. it's after the best artist list featured male performers only on tv , online performers only on tv, online and on disney plus radio . this and on disney plus radio. this is gb news. back now to camilla while welcome back to the camilla tominey show, a little later, we're going to be speaking to these football chiefs. it's going to be really interesting david interesting because david bernstein former bernstein is also former chairman football chairman of the football association, to be the association, used to be the chairman of manchester and chairman of manchester city. and then raymond calderon, then we've got raymond calderon, who president of real who used to be president of real madrid and both of them against this league idea. so we'll this super league idea. so we'll be in general be chatting to them in general about the beautiful game about whether the beautiful game is being corrupted too by much money. here's a very money. but here's a very interesting earlier i spoke interesting one. earlier i spoke to simon maile, who's the former deputy chief of the defence staff. he's an author who's a soldier who's written a fascinating book called soldier

in the sand , and he gave a in the sand, and he gave a really interesting perspective on some of the reports that we've seen today's newspapers we've seen in today's newspapers include in one on the front of the mail on sunday, which basically that the basically indicates that the british hasn't the military british hasn't got the military capability to take over from the germans when it comes to leading a military task force. this is what he had say. a military task force. this is what he had say . well, it's what he had to say. well, it's a very disappointing headline, but it's surprising . you'll it's not surprising. you'll remember camilla just recently . remember camilla just recently. a source said that our american friends who we have always judged ourselves a pig, you know, the peer exemplar by said that, you know, you're no longer first here army. i joined an army of 165,000. the thousand tanks , etc. and i'm not saying tanks, etc. and i'm not saying quantities or everything by any means. you know, technology moves on. but i think for those in the army , those in defence, in the army, those in defence, those who care about the army, who care about defence will be will be very disappointed to be the headline that lets some of the headline that lets some of the statistics. when you say i mean 160,000. now we have troops

that have been cut significantly. the number of tanks has gone from 227. that's going to be cut further by 79 to come down to 148. in 1990, we had 1200. the royal navy's fleet is more than half the size it was in the 1980s. the raf is has got half the number of active aircraft that it had in 2006. i mean , this will make people mean, this will make people think , are we even in a position think, are we even in a position to be supplying these british fighter jets to ukraine to be supplying these british fighterjets to ukraine as president zelenskyy requested in westminster hall on wednesday? well, it is a cumulative effect of almost back from the end of the fall of the soviet union, the fall of the soviet union, the berlin wall coming down the successive governments have taken a peace dividend. they're not the only ones . the french not the only ones. the french have done it, although they've spent money, think better than spent money, i think better than we . the germans we have. the germans have certainly which is why certainly done it, which is why in of the problem we in in part of the problem we have round the world have in going round the world demonstration of intent and of our expertise . british armed

our expertise. british armed forces, army, navy , air force, forces, army, navy, air force, marines are all full of highly capable men and women . there are capable men and women. there are some very good capabilities. but, you know, quantity does have a quality of its own. and we've continually taken risk against this and an organised nafion against this and an organised nation has breadth, but it also has depth in terms of ammunition stocks and stocks and spares suppues stocks and stocks and spares supplies etc. and those are all we've taken at risk . and at the we've taken at risk. and at the end of the day any british government should be very embarrassed that there is a there is a headline . we look at there is a headline. we look at ourselves as a lead member of nato embarrassed that we appear to not be able to take up all of our position on a rotation from the germans who were often very critical about in terms of their commitment to defence spending . commitment to defence spending. what do you put this down to though, a degree of complacency since the gulf war, this idea? well, actually, we need to well, actually, we don't need to defend ourselves on land anymore. let's move our capability. in cyber capability. but we're in a cyber direction. yes well, i mean, even boris johnson. it's even boris johnson. yeah, it's often quoted. says, i think often quoted. he says, i think you'll find, the days

you'll find, you know, the days of sweep in across, you of tank sweep in across, you know, central europe are long overnight and all of us sort of said, yes, we get cyber. there are a range of threats we need to, you know, protect against intelligence , chinese balloons, intelligence, chinese balloons, you name it. yes, cyber really important. an awful lot in the technological sphere . but at technological sphere. but at a certain level, you just find you can't do a rotation . you can't can't do a rotation. you can't do a scale that makes your allies assume that you are the first port of call, which for the americans was always the british. and also within that, you begin have you then begin to have recruitment problems because people don't want to join an organised nation that looks like shrinking. got retention problems very best i problems because the very best i think will i'm no longer in part of an organisation that looks like it's got a healthy future. and so you get into a downward spiral and somewhere along the line, really are serious line, if we really are serious about britain's place in the world, and i very world, and i feel very passionately about that and we've responsibility is we've got huge responsibility is great influence and we and we leverage off of our military

prowess. as i say , in all sorts prowess. as i say, in all sorts of other regions. prowess. as i say, in all sorts of other regions . we need to do of other regions. we need to do a. so let's go back to the economy. i know that. i know there are. yes, there are. we also read today that the inflationary effect on our defences has been enormous. miss. there's now talk of a £10 billion deal needed to try and up some of the capability that we already have. now, if rishi sunak doesn't stick to liz truss, is 3% of gdp commitment, is he going to look unserious when it comes to defending the country? i think he is. when everybody looks at we might have a russian offensive, think in a russian offensive, i think in ukraine that will set the conditions for what nato does and how the west responds to putin about the success or otherwise of that offensive. you know, want to do know, whether we want to do more. ultimately , you know, more. but ultimately, you know, we falling into the category we are falling into the category that we used to criticise other nato allies. i've been to nato allies. i've been able to talk talk politically, talk a good talk politically, but actually military but actually the military chiefs, them , have to chiefs, god bless them, have to wrestle this every day . wrestle with this every day. going defence section

going into the defence section saying there isn't anything we can and we've given away can handle and we've given away a hell of a lot quite rightly, but i see no evidence that the treasury is releasing funds to build back stocks, particularly ammunition , and that will come ammunition, and that will come up time and again. it's not simply the tank and the crew. it is absolutely the weaponry that goes on a plane and a ship on a on a tank. they turn it into a capability. we've taken a huge risk . huge capability. we've taken a huge risk. huge risk against capability. we've taken a huge risk . huge risk against that . risk. huge risk against that. and then laws and the like that have gone all the hundred and 55 millimetre ammunition, the guns. and provide the and if they could provide the guns the tanks, have you got guns or the tanks, have you got the ammunition to go with them? i mean, got enough i mean, have we got enough ammunition? be ammunition? and should there be an invasion on uk soil? well, i, i couldn't speculate and i'm not in in game but i, i in the, in the game but i, i fear because i was in the game long that it's always long enough that it's always a very thing take, to take very easy thing to take, to take risk against. and you think i can go it on the market? i mean, we did it, to be honest. it was it was a big debate in the first gulf war, which i was which i took part in, where we went to

our friends and said, our belgian friends and said, could could you provide us could you could you provide us with ammunition? and that's one of of everybody of the joys of everybody having a of ammunition. but a commonality of ammunition. but the end today. the reality is the end today. you a sovereign need you need a sovereign you need a sovereign capability, is sovereign capability, but it is difficult just it on. difficult to just turn it on. and i think what the war in ukraine is showing, this is just how in terms of manpower how costly in terms of manpower and ammunition and equipment, a full a full blooded conventional war is . apart from problems with war is. apart from problems with procurement and some deals just not working out to be economically viable or indeed good value for money for the taxpayer. we've also had this issue with aircraft carriers not working adequately we've working adequately. we've got the as of wales the hms as prince of wales suffering problems , suffering repeated problems, being dry, docked, only being used for just 267 days, being dry, docked, only being used forjust 267 days, despite used for just 267 days, despite 3.2 billion having been spent on it. i mean, what's going on? well, it's again, it's a tragedy. it's disappointing . tragedy. it's disappointing. it's not surprising. it's a highly capable aircraft carrier. but it was a huge, you know, huge announcements. we have these two global class aircraft

carriers. it looks embarrassing . i think it's disappointing for the head of the head of the navy. i think it's disappointing , you know, obviously for the chief of defence staff. the problem with big equipment is of course there's inflation built in. can say, well we'll in. so you can say, well we'll give you inflation, defence give you inflation, but defence equipment inflation is always higher underlying inflation higher than underlying inflation and always cost overruns and there's always cost overruns as, as we know the army have as, as as we know the army have been, you know, i would not really use was scandalous were last given a major project ajax and that's proving to be a disaster so we've we've taken again all sorts of risk against capabilities. so again all sorts of risk against capabilities . so the key again all sorts of risk against capabilities. so the key is yes at the moment we're looking at the money spent on carriers , the the money spent on carriers, the money spent on f—35 , and then money spent on f—35, and then looking at the money that was given to him or his predecessor. yes and worrying we're just yes and worrying that we're just not the bang for not getting the bang for the buck that we get from the buck that we should get from the investment even before we build back stocks from what we've expended in ukraine and move forward on on that sort of. liz truss. yes, let's talk aspirations. let's talk about

ukraine. i mean, what did you make of president zelenskyy the request for these planes? you know, take your team, but know, i will take your team, but i want planes. and i want your planes. please and do you think that we should be providing air support? yes, i do . the reality is it's very complex, even giving a tank or an artillery piece is complex to make it into a capability , make it into a capability, you've got to train it. you've got to supply it, you've got to support it, you've got to have the ammunition, etc. the difficulty with an aircraft is, is the weapon system, if you're fast jet pilot another fast jet pilot flying another fast, the extent, you fast, it is to the extent, you know a bit like driving a morrison benefit morrison people a benefit broadly that broadly broadly that but actually integration of the actually the integration of the weapon system is different. so my feeling is at the moment that the answer a bit like for the tanksis the answer a bit like for the tanks is the leopard 2, the answer is probably the f—16. yes rather the typhoon, because rather than the typhoon, because they're bit too sophisticated. they're a bit too sophisticated. probably require too much. probably they require too much. and quote of apartheid. you and i quote of apartheid. you need the germans, italians, the spanish. that'd be a good spanish. yeah, that'd be a good demonstration of them. but it takes while to train pilots. takes a while to train pilots. of course it does . aircraft, of course it does. aircraft, surely. as i i think as

surely. and as i say, i think as we say that i'm committed, i think context of the debate think the context of the debate will be set by what happens with the russian offensive, which we're assuming putin is building up for. and we, again, you well know , next week is the end of know, next week is the end of it. anniversary that , it. first anniversary of that, you know, crossing the border to try and do that, to demand and kill zelenskyy and overthrow the government in kyiv. briefly, sir simon, how do you see the sending will well for sending will not? well for anybody, really. i mean, this is the danger. it's very difficult to see anything that doesn't give us another set very give us another set of very difficult what we difficult problems. what we don't want, of course, is a ukrainian defeat, but is very ukrainian defeat, but it is very difficult if the russians are determined to continue to sacrifice this reputation, blood , treasure, how we're going to throw them out of the donbas. it has gone to a delicate balance unless , of course, we do find unless, of course, we do find that the russian army will refuse to fight. and if the ukrainians can continue to take the fight , absorb a russian the fight, absorb a russian offensive , break the back of the offensive, break the back of the russian army, will history is

littered with political change in russia as a result of military defeat on the battlefield. sir mail, battlefield. sir simon mail, thank much for joining thank you very much for joining me morning. thank you . me this morning. thank you. well, i am from a football family. would you believe i play football? i play for the women's parliamentary football team badly. i do on sunday offside rule. but what i can't quite get my head around is what has happened to the premier league. so i thought we'd do a discussion about it. i i'm delighted to joined by david delighted to be joined by david bernstein, former faa and bernstein, who's former faa and manchester city chairman. david, now a super league, now the idea of a super league, it's again reared its head. it's once again reared its head. the happy. what's the fans aren't happy. what's your it ? a bit. the fans aren't happy. what's your it? a bit. seems your view on it? a bit. seems like old. oh, though , can you like old. oh, though, can you hear me? david still nothing. david can you hear me? i know, but i think we might be having some difficulty. i think we might have some difficulty getting david. we'll get david back. thankfully we've got another guest to talk about football with, and that's raymond calderon, whose former president of real madrid.

raymond, me ? yeah. raymond, can you hear me? yeah. is that time to do that ? is that time to do that? raymond, can you hear me ? yeah, raymond, can you hear me? yeah, i can they down let raymond . i can they down let raymond. thank goodness. that's good, man. some technology is actually working this morning. now, raymond, the idea for the super league has now reared its ugly head again. i know you were highly critical of this idea when came around. when it first came around. what's your reaction? because this course, led by this is, of course, being led by some at your former club some people at your former club real madrid . yeah, well, i was real madrid. yeah, well, i was critical about that because clearly it was a botched project at the time. that's why it lasted only 48 hours. and all the clubs decided to buck out from that. you i hope this is not the same wine in a different bottle now, but i don't think anyone can give an opinion because the main details are unknown. then having been

disclosed yet apparently they say that they've changed their system, that the new one is based in meritocracy, transparency and competitiveness . but we already have that. we have the champions league, in my opinion, is doing that in the right way . opinion, is doing that in the right way. i'm not against the improvement of anything in life. and of course, football is not an exception . so if this is an exception. so if this is coming to improve the system , coming to improve the system, welcome. but there is another problem is uefa are not accepting that in the league's domestic competitions to so problem ahead and i don't know why is happening that the president of my club is a very clever and successful man that he's been proven that in many , he's been proven that in many, many ways. but .

he's been proven that in many, many ways. but. i suppose he's been proven that in many, many ways. but . i suppose that many ways. but. i suppose that he's doing that in good faith. i think that this improvement is. but yes , joking about that, i've but yes, joking about that, i've told him and anyone that i don't know why we are leading a competition, that we win nearly every year should be it should be obvious they once was to try to change it. it doesn't it doesn't make any sense. raymond but are you of the view that you know, money is having this adverse effect on football? the fans seem to be the last thought , an afterthought. the fans don't want this super league. so why i mean, if there is a financially imperative, what's the motivation for it all? well, isuppose the motivation for it all? well, i suppose that the motivation is money and the one who is controlling it, the leaders of the new project want to control it and now is controlled by uefa . but we cannot forget that the men who form the uefa are

elected by the clubs, by the leagues, but by by the family of football . so what they are football. so what they are trying to do, i suppose, is to change it , to substitute uefa by change it, to substitute uefa by these new people that organising these new people that organising the competition . but i as i said the competition. but i as i said , we don't know really anything . they've said ten points. but no disclosing how all those matches will be played and which groups will be formed by who they say 6 to 8. the collapse . they say 6 to 8. the collapse. that would mean nearly 14 matches every season, plus . the matches every season, plus. the matches every season, plus. the matches played by the players in the national teams, plus the matches play in the domestic competitions. so a lot of matches is true that is coming more money. but as you said, i don't think anything must be about money. you need to think about money. you need to think about the small clubs they've

been.the about the small clubs they've been. the star is struggling . been. the star is struggling. yes. because of the pandemic. so let's see what happens . although let's see what happens. although roman people might say, well, you brought cristiano ronaldo into real madrid, that was a massive money deal. so maybe your part of the problem to be harsh to you? well no, not really . he proved to be too big really. he proved to be too big was the money he got everything with us and he personally did too many, many personal awards and collectively awards. so i think at that time with ,94 million, luka , what has happened million, luka, what has happened afterwards ? the some clubs have afterwards? the some clubs have paid 200 and now 90 million is what any player. so for us was a perfect signing . i and what do perfect signing. i and what do you think of his move to the saudi arabian club? al—nasr then do you think that was a good way to end his career ? well, i to end his career? well, i wouldn't like him playing two or

three more years in the top leagues. i think he's still fit in good shape . he's been a in good shape. he's been a player that is taking care of himself very well for all his career , but i suppose he's career, but i suppose he's thought that this is a good opfion thought that this is a good option . so i wish him the best option. so i wish him the best just to all the players that are playing have been playing with us. so raymond, final question. is he the greatest of all time or is lionel messi ? i think or is lionel messi? i think both. both different players . both. both different players. but i like both. i think it would be lucky that people who love football would be lucky that having those players playing at the same time in a different teams , it's been good different teams, it's been good for them and for the club and the blame for it's been fantastic. so amazing players and let's hope that many like them can come up towards yes , them can come up towards yes, indeed.thank them can come up towards yes, indeed. thank you very much.

that's raymond calderon on former president of real madrid. now, i believe we've david now, i believe we've got david bernstein back , fingers and toes bernstein back, fingers and toes across to the former chairman of the and manchester city. the fa and manchester city. david, you me ? yes david, can you hear me? yes we're back in business football. good morning, kimberley. good good morning, kimberley. good good morning. lovely to see you. now what do you make of these revived plans for a super league . well, i think it's part of a of a larger issue. i think we've got two or three big, big matters at this moment in time. there's a super league, there's a manchester city issue and there's this government white paper that's due to be published, i think, next week or the week after. and they all have a connection. and i think the connection is the incredible success of the premier league . success of the premier league. now the premier league , if that now the premier league, if that was a business in outside football, it could destroy its opposition . but in football you opposition. but in football you have a wider family of clubs in this country, of clubs across europe . and i believe that the

europe. and i believe that the success of the premier league is distorting and putting huge pressure on the rest of football , which is giving rise to these possible lines of , of, of possible lines of, of, of development . let's just have development. let's just have a quick chat about manchester city . you were former chairman there. i appreciate you might be limited in what you can say over 100 apparent breaches what should happen relegation be docked points be fined . what's docked points be fined. what's the solution here ? sorry i you the solution here? sorry i you can't expect me to comment on the only accusations. i mean, i, you know, i don't know what the outcome will be and it's absolutely wrong to prejudge it . but i think the what i can say is that the underlying reason, i believe for the problem , if believe for the problem, if there is a problem, is financial, fair play. and the fact that clubs that come into a lot of wealth , such as lot of wealth, such as manchester city did on newcastle united, are not doing because of financial fair play. find it

very difficult to challenge the establishment very, very quickly. they're constrained by the regulations that i would like to see for clubs that are probably financed with you size of all backing a newcastle now is a very good example. i would like to see a different type of financial control but not the present financial fair play because i think it is anti—competitive and makes it very difficult for aspiring clubs to challenge the establishment . i know you've establishment. i know you've been working with a number of figures in football, including the likes of gary neville on this white but also this this white paper, but also this suggestion that we should have a football eater. how football regular eater. how would david how is would that work? david how is that working ? well, i'll thesis that working? well, i'll thesis we've been working on this for a number of years. i think we saw started this process which has led to a hopefully to this white paper coming out, we believe that football basically lacks

sufficient independence in its regulation and is governed by too much by self—interest and also that the success of the premier league has produced a whole range of problems. so there's a range of issues which we would like to see an independent regulator to address. there is redistribution of income , a proper licencing of income, a proper licencing system , protection of fans , system, protection of fans, proper fit and proper person test ownership and so on. there's there's a range of really important issues because there's a tremendous stress now among smaller clubs, all more so long as they smaller the clubs in the lower divisions. so clubs the championship are suffering huge revenue. and you're going to see clubs in trouble, i believe, for the next year or so. more clubs in trouble. and this goes right down to the bottom of the pyramid, the national league. well, i know there's a clubs there's a lot of clubs struggling and this this imbalance in the game has to be sorted. there's too much power in the premier league, david. too much wealth. and it's not

being distributed reasonably . being distributed reasonably. david perhaps you'll indulge me just a couple of england questions, if you don't mind. i think you were chairman when roy hodgson was appointed as england manager. do you that now manager. do you regret that now 7 manager. do you regret that now ? was no, i do not regret what ? i was no, i do not regret what we've always an excellent manager and a great person who had a had a difficult finish, a difficult ending to his to his period. but now i do. i do . i do period. but now i do. i do. i do not regret it. i think i think it was it was a good appointment. i didn't finish as well as would have liked. and well as i would have liked. and did you support the decision to keep on gareth southgate as england manager after us, unfortunately of unfortunately crashing out of the cup ? yes, i did. i the world cup? yes, i did. i think i think gareth actually has done has done very well. we haven't actually won one anything, but we have done well . i think it has proven to be a very solid manager and i think he's develop young players very well and i think he deserves one more crack at this. so i'm pleased he stayed on. and one more question, david, if you

don't mind, just on sports washing, cattle, hosting the world cup, do we want to be seeing countries like qatar who have got dubious human rights records holding major football tournament again , you know, this tournament again, you know, this is such a difficult question because what you but you go round the world, there's so many countries who have got different sorts of human rights issues. you get back two years ago to argentina , where they held a argentina, where they held a very successful world cup, and yet we had a terrible regime at that time . so either there was that time. so either there was a lot of hypocrisy in this. i was actually totally against the award of the world cup. so guhan award of the world cup. so guitar. but i, i goes back ten years now to totally against it but i don't know it's a very difficult problem and i think you've got to take it all in the sort of individual, individual basis. but so there are many, though, many countries who meet all the tests that we would like . i know. but then at the same time, i feel that i've got this impression that the game is getting further and further away from fans and what the fans

from the fans and what the fans want. david i think of the top end of the game . that's possibly end of the game. that's possibly true . i think the huge amount of true. i think the huge amount of wealth coming in now to the top part of the premier league does perhaps lead to that. but i think the rest of the game, you know, there's much more to football than the premier league. you know, the football league is a wonderful, wonderful organisation. you see great football, a very exciting football, a very exciting football way down football and all the way down i'm i'm a great supporter of i'm a i'm a great supporter of the league where you the national league where you can see, you know, very exciting football. maybe it's not the quality of the premier league, but nevertheless great but nevertheless it's great to follow. at the very follow. so i think at the very top yes, elsewhere , not so top end, yes, elsewhere, not so much . david bernstein, thank you much. david bernstein, thank you so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this morning . and apologies for our morning. and apologies for our technical issues. this is a live show. this is a live show. these things happened and now we're going to cross over to olivia utley. inmates down with the people's panel. olivia, what's the to my interview the reaction to my interview with ellwood?

with tobias ellwood? with my interview the military interview with the military chief? chat just chief? and indeed that chat just now football ? let's hope now about football? let's i hope we're speak to was it we're going to speak to was it raf didn't get to get his raf who didn't get to get his say a little earlier ? yes. i've say a little earlier? yes. i've got raz right here . fascinating got raz right here. fascinating set of interviews . so i'll start set of interviews. so i'll start with you. we were talking about earlier about defence spending. and that interview with tobias ellwood was quite ellwood was really quite enlightening. you make enlightening. what do you make of way britain spending its of the way britain spending its money? he is quite clear money? i think he is quite clear that we do need to boost our defences here. i don't want to be like the americans in the 1957 where they looked up at the skies and saw the first russian satellite going over their heads . you need to really . you know, we need to really boost our defences and i'm really worried about putin taking the nuclear option because we're supporting ukraine. it might be the case that we might have to go for full military. we to help our military army and navies to help ukraine win over russia . it's ukraine win over russia. it's but it is a bit scary at the moment with with the nuclear

now. absolutely and i know your feelings are echoed by lots of media in the uk and we also heard from tobias ellwood, the french, the russian f and camilla about boris and of course tobias ellwood voters against boris in the in the confidence vote . do you think confidence vote. do you think that boris is the right person to lead the country? would you like to see a boris ? i think we like to see a boris? i think we might be past that point for a revival, but i wish she hadn't gonein revival, but i wish she hadn't gone in the first place, and i would imagine there's a lot of people reflecting now on their no confidence votes. and was it perhaps the right thing to do? look at where the tory party is now . it's the shambles look at where the tory party is now. it's the shambles . and now. it's the shambles. and yeah, he's he's not he's not always good , but he he's always good, but he he's certainly popular with the pubuc certainly popular with the public and i think he spoke a lot for the public. thank you very much. stark message for rishi there again. yeah. and ben, that was a really interesting interview with david bernstein . and here we are bernstein. and here we are today. you know what you're talking . what do you talking about here. what do you think the what you think of think the what do you think of the situation with mumford ? if

the situation with mumford? if they have been proven to have broken the financial fair play rules and found guilty, then they should quite rightly be punished . concern is that punished. my concern is, is that either they'll be the punishments will be overturned because they have got a very, very lawyer or they'll very clever lawyer or they'll just too quick fine. just be given a too quick fine. for me , if it was up to me, if for me, if it was up to me, if it was up to me, i would punish them sending them down to them by sending them down to league to and funding them a few million all me million quid. if you all me speak. you very that speak. thank you very much that i've charge. thank you i've been in charge. thank you so much to the people's panel. now to camila in the studio. thank you very much for that, olivia. yeah, there'll be loads of people championing ben on all people's panel for the next yean people's panel for the next year, and i think to sort out that at manchester city, that mess at manchester city, still come on still loads more to come on today's show, generation gap today's show, the generation gap we're be covering we're going to be covering shamima and whether shamima begum and whether she should citizen ship should get her citizen ship back. going to be back. we're also going to be speaking president speaking to president ersin tatar. president of tatar. he is the president of the turkish of northern cyprus. he's a lot of people caught he's had a lot of people caught up dreadful up in those dreadful earthquakes. though, earthquakes. first, though, here's roy orbison

here's the news with roy orbison . thanks. it's 1031. here's the news with roy orbison . thanks. it's1031. here's the latest . the labour party is latest. the labour party is urging the bbc to consider his position after mps found that he breached stand . it's when breached stand. it's when applying for the role the cross—party committee says richard sharp made significant errors of judgement when he failed to declare that he'd helped boris johnson to secure a loan when he was prime minister shadow culture secretary lucy powell is questioning whether he's still able to uphold trust and independence at the broadcaster. his report . it broadcaster. his report. it really is an unprecedented report means that mr. sharp's position is increased ingly untenable and he really should now reflect on whether he's able to carry out that very important role as the bbc chair to uphold pubuc role as the bbc chair to uphold public trust and independence of the bbc death toll from monday's earthquake . six in southern earthquake. six in southern turkey and northern syria has

now passed 28,000. some rescue operation ins have been halted in turkey after reports of looting, whilst hundreds of thousands have been made homeless in the middle of winter . and the brother of murdered two year old james bulger says he'll never forgive the killers . three decades after the crime . james was snatched from shopping centre and killed by two men formerly known as john venables and robert thompson . venables and robert thompson. they were aged ten at the time. in merseyside in 1993, john venables is currently behind bars. michael fergus says he should stay there to give justice for james. on should stay there to give justice forjames. on tv should stay there to give justice for james. on tv , online justice for james. on tv, online and on dab+ radio . this is gb and on dab+ radio. this is gb news. back to back in just a moment .

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tominey show now. stay tuned. we've got a great generation gap to come. we're going to have to very feisty ladies arguing the case for and against shamima beckham. and before that, now you'll have been watching like me the news on the tv and indeed in the newspapers about the devastating effects of this earthquake. it's a number of miracles stories this morning. but overriding but of course, the overriding theme is of devastation and theme is one of devastation and death . earlier spoke to the death. earlier i spoke to the president of the turkish repubuc president of the turkish republic of northern cyprus, ersin tatar. now i appreciate that that republic is not recognised . there is a dispute recognised. there is a dispute over that land border and in fact the fact that they have set up their has been a story of a great deal of geopolitical divide over the years. however that particular area , northern that particular area, northern cyprus, has been badly affected by these earthquakes. they've had a number of people directly involved, including children and involved, including children and involved in a volleyball team. so i felt it was appropriate to speak to the president there to find , because he does have find out, because he does have such close links president such close links to. president

erdogan the turkish erdogan as well, the turkish president, happened and president, what has happened and about rescue effort and about the rescue effort and everything else. so let's just hear what had to tell hear what he had to tell me earlier. the president, hear what he had to tell me earlier. the president , thank earlier. the president, thank you much forjoining me this you so much forjoining me this morning. obviously the uk we morning. obviously in the uk we are devastating are seeing these devastating images the aftermath of the images of the aftermath of the earthquakes . images of the aftermath of the earthquakes. can you tell me how your own community in the turkish republic of northern cyprus been affected by this cyprus has been affected by this tragedy fact, we are saying tragedy? in fact, we are saying about phase , which means that my about phase, which means that my community is going through because we are lost , the 35 because we are lost, the 35 people in the earthquake are below 25. then young playing for the red team and because i was i relations that are mothers in our community which are not participating in international events very inhumane and very . events very inhumane and very. and we have been invited to participate in this turkish . participate in this turkish. national organisation and my work is there in abbiamo

participating in this championship. there have been championship. there have been champions of recovery sevens and unfortunately they got the stuck on the altar and we lost them and we are very, very upset. the whole community inside with fukushima, the community and we were mourning and we have declared a national moment for a week or seven and we are going through but times the whole community, we are shocked . community, we are shocked. obviously we are sharing our condolences with the turkish nafion condolences with the turkish nation and spoken with president eren there on monday morning and asked for help . to lift the asked for help. to lift the hotels . in the best. we asked for help. to lift the hotels. in the best. we in emergency team to rescue our people and there are still some of them have returned back to country where we were bodies

night . this is a small community night. this is a small community with a population a half dozen so the number of people we have lost the 35 people and we have lost the 35 people and we have lost some people in other parts of turkey because this earthquake is covering a very big area . the area is about. big area. the area is about. 500,000 kilometres square , 500,000 kilometres square, affecting 13 million people. and up to now in turkey, they estimate more than 30,000 people who have lost their lives. probably this figure will be 50,000. i hope it doesn't exceed that. 50,000. i hope it doesn't exceed that . but unfortunately , this 50,000. i hope it doesn't exceed that. but unfortunately , this is that. but unfortunately, this is . a earthquake unprecedented . . a earthquake unprecedented. it's, i believe, unprecedented . it's, i believe, unprecedented. yes, we have had this earthquake in skating . 7.67.7 earthquake in skating. 7.67.7 earthquake within 10 hours, one was early in the morning for 17. and the other one next morning, about

11:00. and two different earthquakes covering more or less the same area. such a big area and nearly 500,000 kilometres, they tell me which was affected ten different cities , ten different cities. so cities, ten different cities. so our thoughts are with all of these people who have lost their home, who are out in the streets and who are looking , who still and who are looking, who still looking for their clothes , looking for their clothes, families and i once more share my condolences with mr. erdogan. president erdogan and the whole turkish nation . but i also turkish nation. but i also obviously want to express my deep feelings of grief for my own community, because we are going through a very bad times in our hearts. can't take it. and we have, as i say, have declared a mourning week. we have lowered our flags and have asked the international

community, yes to one small look at the turkish cypriots, because we are a different community with our own flag, with our own culture , our own expectations. culture, our own expectations. we have our own state. for the last six years and these are embargoes in isolation on our community, a sort of have and this event has given the opportunity for the international community to at the cyprus work and once more go . mr. president tell me about the rescue mission that is currently taking place at this isis hotel. i know that you've had ten bodies repatriated . had ten bodies repatriated. seven of those are children. you've spoken about this volleyball team. you've said your own rescue is out there. what conditions are they facing to try and find some more of these team members and bring them home? well our teams have done an excellent job. they were very high speed and they were there nearly a week. and that

hotel was in real shambles. it was about ten floor hotel, which that morning came down. and our young people were on the second floor. i am told. and it was absolutely impossible to come out alive . however, that was one out alive. however, that was one teacher who yesterday morning was apparently alive when they brought him up . was apparently alive when they brought him up. but was apparently alive when they brought him up . but when he was brought him up. but when he was taken to hospital , he was dead . taken to hospital, he was dead. so we have lost all of them and we are very, very grieved. we are very, very upset. how many of your people are still unaccounted for? we know about the team, but you're talking about a death toll of 50,000 potentially. how many more people are you looking for ?

people are you looking for? well, in our turkish cypriot team , fortunately, we have been team, fortunately, we have been able to find all of them. i am told that 35, 25 students, the rest teachers and close families. and we have been able to recover all of them from this building. but there are other bodies in the building and our rescue teams from cyprus are continuing to recover the other bodies belonging to other people. but we have been able to repatriate a missing all our people from yes. back to back to cyprus. as of last . and, mr. cyprus. as of last. and, mr. president, you mentioned there that you have spoken to president erdogan. we've got some reports in the uk press today of some people just not being able to be reached by rescuers. there has been a bit of a criticism of the president's handling of this. what's your impression of what the turkish president is doing what's your impression of what th

find survivors? again in the press this morning. there are some miracles stories, particularly of one child having been found five days on. there are a lot of rescue teams from the international community. and obviously turkey is , a country obviously turkey is, a country very experienced in earthquakes . there have been a lot of earthquakes in the recent past. however this is this is a very big earthquake. in fact, as i told you before, to earthquakes within 10 hours. and there are the effects been devastating. and turkey is doing within her capacity and potential with the rescue teams all over the place. we have ten different cities and the villages around these big cities. so a lot of effort is being obviously a effort going in, however, to reach everywhere. it is absolutely impossible . therefore, we have impossible. therefore, we have wait. but those people who have

managed to survive of this , managed to survive of this, unless you find them after maybe 140 hours, they tell me, my experts, after 140 hours is very difficult. we will to survive. therefore they have done their best to rescue as many people as possible. but this is a terrible earthquake with devastating effects. and people have come back from the area last night . back from the area last night. they have been telling me that it's absolutely unbelievable what we have there is absolutely unbelievable. therefore we from cyprus, our whole heart is with turkey. we are praying for all those people who have been affected or have lost their lives , who are obviously now in lives, who are obviously now in hospital and the international community. likewise, i think we have we all have to pray them ? have we all have to pray them? yes, we are praying for them over here in the uk. thank you so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this morning, mr. president. thank you very much. thank you. coming

up . a generation gap to come. up. a generation gap to come. two women going head to head on. shamima begum. stay tuned. we'll be back in just a jiffy.

welcome back. we still got our generation gap. you got a little bit mutated. we still got our generation gap to come. but first, let's get the view from michael portillo , fellow gb news michael portillo, fellow gb news presenter on what he's got coming up on his show at 11:00. michael, hello. another generation gap between you and me , perhaps. by the way, me, perhaps. by the way, congratulations is coming upon your marvellous feature on defence spending. quite shocking. really to hear that we have what, 17 frigates and other surface vessels and our royal. we're going to be looking at prevent. that is the program

which supposedly stops people turning to terrorism . but a lot turning to terrorism. but a lot seems to have gone wrong with that program. we will be looking at the earthquakes in turkey and syria and because my program covers the arts as well. we're going to be at things like the exorcist and bambi. oh and also cheryl and other people who've gone from cinema to the boards in the west end . all that and in the west end. all that and vegan chocolate sounds brilliant from defence spending to bambi. perfect a great show coming up at 11. thank you very much. now generation gap. it is. and we are very lucky to be joined by two lovely ladies, if i can say , that emma webb, who is a political commentator and nannder political commentator and narinder kaur , who is a former narinder kaur, who is a former reality tv star but now broadcaster. now broadcaster. now before i even load this up, i can just say there is a generation gap here. i know these ladies look extremely young and vibrant and they are. but actually, i think i'm in

your 29 namenda. there's no way your 29 namenda. there's no way your 1550 brown no problem . for your 1550 brown no problem. for those type . we will do another those type. we will do another section. i don't live emma's 2010 because she said why? well how can you say that? we have two years between you just. that justifies the generation gap, guys. we'll do perhaps another entire show on how to looks like this at 50. but the point is, we want to shamima begum want to discuss shamima begum now know you felt now i don't know what you felt about the documentary that the bbc during the week. it was bbc made during the week. it was 90 hugely to shamima 90 minutes, hugely to shamima begum, the of the day begum, who at the end of the day did this country, betray did leave this country, betray this off to this country and went off to syria isis . there's syria to join isis. there's equally been some consternation, let's put it that way, about a times magazine piece, which put as the cover girl, you know, apparently now that she's changed niqab for yoga changed the niqab for yoga leggings, she should not be re—entered into western society . you can probably tell where i am on this. i don't think she's am on this. i don't think she's a victim. don't some of the a victim. don't like some of the rhetoric around at rhetoric around this girl. at the of day, she was 15 the end of the day, she was 15 on the mother of a 14 year old.

and when you're that age, you know you're doing. you know what you're doing. you dorinda, it dorinda, you want to kick it off? oh, yeah. well i'm a mother. i've got a 15 year old daughter. and they on questionable accepting questionable and accepting the bbc a massive bbc documentary did a massive service shedding fantastic bbc documentary did a massive servilight shedding fantastic bbc documentary did a massive servilight onedding fantastic bbc documentary did a massive servilight on things fantastic bbc documentary did a massive servilight on things that|stic new light on things that actually before. actually we didn't know before. metropolitan knew that metropolitan police knew that she and actually she was vulnerable and actually sent letters was sent out letters that she was a vulnerable child who was at risk of being radicalised a month earlier and they didn't let the parents that in the parents know that in the airport. now, how did a 15 year old girl in this country, a teenage girl, get to syria? how well she looked online. she wasn't looking online. she wasn't looking online. she wasn't vulnerable there wasn't vulnerable because there wasn't vulnerable because there was journalist , andrew drury, was a journalist, andrew drury, who interviewed who has said he's interviewed beckham six she wanted to beckham six times. she wanted to go there. she wasn't coerced . go there. she wasn't coerced. she wasn't changing her opinion. all right . well, you're allowed all right. well, you're allowed to you're allowed to change. your opinion and story. she's she was 15 years old. and you can't change the fact. but, you know, we don't know the facts. i think that it really is quite abominable , actually, that they abominable, actually, that they put front of the put her on the front of the times magazine, because imagine

being of the yazidi victims being one of the yazidi victims of state or one of the of islamic state or one of the shia children and who had that their parents exact routed by islamic state looking at this woman went there from woman who went there from britain. yes, but she was a woman. she was a child. well, she was 15. she was being opinion that she's above the criminal responsibility, whether regardless whether someone's impressionable. unfortunately actions do have consequences . actions do have consequences. and the primary responsibility of the british people when it comes to whether or not she should return here, is to the safety of the people who are here. as far as i'm concerned, she's a traitor. she betrayed our country to join our country by going to join islamic but what i think islamic state. but what i think is most and i think the reason why so many people have been, to put lightly, disgruntled put it lightly, disgruntled by this the she is this is because the way she is being as is as she being presented as is as if she was herself alarmed the slaughter, as if she is this kind of victim, that being kind of victim, that she's being she's presented in such she's being presented in such a way, by the and by the way, both by the bbc and by the times, as someone that the british public feel sorry british public should feel sorry for . and so and it's also

for. and so also and it's also spnng for. and so also and it's also spring narinder here earlier she was ordered demonised by that very same press as being this is this bride , this jihadist. and this bride, this jihadist. and she she was she she was she was a groomed child online. and i think this begs the bigger question as parents in country, why did british born national get groomed and radicalised onune get groomed and radicalised online and managed to get to syria. you can't escape now have citizenship has been revoked had that sex addiction rendered treated. describe the manchester arena bombing as retaliation . arena bombing as retaliation. that was a terrible thing to say. she was delighted, she said to in a camp after giving birth 40 hours. where is the redemption here? she's a 15 year old child . why? she was. why are old child. why? she was. why are we not saying that britain should be taking responsible lifting? the government have set a dangerous precedent and revoke an asset citizenship. it's soap out. they've done that. she deserves a fair trial. she needs to be back in this country, not at the for the rest her at the camp for the rest her life for a mistake. she may be

seen as a problem with evidence. there is a problem with. mean, there is a problem with. i mean, it long time ago that she it was a long time ago that she went as a kind of went she went as a kind of a student. this wasn't a girl who was sort of 13 years old. she was sort of 13 years old. she was being groomed online, but she was a girl. right. she was a bright girl. right. she leave. i mean, don't she she she leave. i mean, don't you think as a mother, look, 30 year old, know own year old, they know their own minds, they? exactly but minds, might they? exactly but you've got to look at so many different aspects here. the different aspects here. and the fact in this if fact is, she in this country, if we we send terrorist we take if we send terrorist back to their country, foreign born terrorists, why don't we take it all back? she's our problem to take back and deserves a fair trial. it's the rule of law. firstly no way we will be talking about her in these terms. if she was a male fighter who chosen to go out, she's why chose. she would she's a why she chose. she would be on their and be choosing on their side and that's because we that's not true because we stripped of his stripped jack lex of his citizenship. he was a it was all to a so was was to a why so that was she was allowed. if you just let me make allowed. if you just let me make a point because i think the you know, firstly, fundamentally we wouldn't to this wouldn't be referring to in this this narrative if she this victimhood narrative if she was but you mentioned her was a man. but you mentioned her coming back having a fair

coming back and having a fair trial. the it's trial. but the fact is, it's very to evidence in a very to collect evidence in a war zone that is admissible at trial. the conviction rate for foreign fighters is extremely low. the reasons why the low. one of the reasons why the home has the power to home secretary has the power to strip for dual nationals of their citizenship is for security reasons. and we can't know the security reasons know all of the security reasons that sajid javid of at that sajid javid was aware of at the time when he made that decision . and a she's decision. and it's a she's a bicycle pole. and it was to bicycle pole. and it was two to appease the baying crowd actually to appease actually it was to appease a government have government should not have that much it's huge amount much power. it's a huge amount of to say i'm south—asian of power to say i'm south—asian , my parents are born in india, therefore crime therefore what crime perpetrators actually perpetrators are actually nannder perpetrators are actually narinder you would be sent back to india because did a bbc to india because you did a bbc and i have no right now which is demonstrably untrue, do you not effectively renounce your citizenship if you go inside with the as an adult? yes, but not as a child. she was a child and she was she married within ten days, a 15 year old. so basically you could say she was a child. she was a child. she was sex trafficked as a child and married within ten days and

lost three children to other journalists according to all the channels. to drury channels. so we refer to drury because let's face it, he's interviewed this woman was a journalist. the show he's interviewed on show. cannot interviewed on show. you cannot believe who gives believe one journalist who gives you narrative of but not you the bbc narrative of but not a not police interview two six times he says she wasn't radicalised from a young age. she onune radicalised from a young age. she online a of she went online for a couple of months. the minute she's months. the next minute she's out. kamila so you're talking about grooming like about grooming women, like grooming let's the grooming type, but let's let the british courts decide that we believe our criminal justice. believe in our criminal justice. but won't. she won't. it's but she won't. she won't. it's very unlikely. right? successfully . if there is successfully tried. if there is a security risk that we're not aware of, we have a responsibility to the british pubuc. responsibility to the british public . but responsibility to the british public. but isn't simple . the public. but isn't simple. the british government has successfully brought back hundreds people from syria, hundreds of people from syria, she shamima being made she, shamima begum is being made a of and she's use a target of and she's use a political pawn to appease the base. do you think she's a risk to the public either? i mean, she seem extremely contrite she does seem extremely contrite in she's in these interviews. she's clearly she's become clearly changed. she's become much in the much more westernised in the camp that she's being held in. i think that firstly, we don't know what those knows. i think

there are a lot of indications that things may be, as she that things may not be, as she is describing she is describing them. she obviously has you obviously obviously has you know, she's she's part of know, she she's she's part of a very sophisticated pr campaign to try and get her back here. she's appealing it through the channels, which i think is right , that she should be able to remotely not. it's very unfair. think most remotely going on do it otherwise because she doesn't she stateless. i think we need to ourselves she lost to ask ourselves she she's lost entries does say about entries what does it say about we're she did right. we're not saying she did right. she a mistake. we are not she made a mistake. we are not condoning what she did, but she was benign member was was a benign member and she was a child . we shouldn't trust her, a child. we shouldn't trust her, but maybe we don't know. we don't know. you're putting things there we shouldn't things up there and we shouldn't trust a mother to a 15 trust that i'm a mother to a 15 year daughter. if that trust that i'm a mother to a 15 yearmy daughter. if that trust that i'm a mother to a 15 yearmy daughter,. if that trust that i'm a mother to a 15 yearmy daughter, i'd if that trust that i'm a mother to a 15 yearmy daughter, i'd wanthat trust that i'm a mother to a 15 yearmy daughter, i'd want itt was my daughter, i'd want it back home. was born in this back home. she was born in this country. i don't buy the pr campaign. i just don't and i do think the british public to judge, do we have judge, to i do think we have a responsibility to her anymore. okay. a truce okay. we'll have to call a truce on one. thank you for your on that one. thank you for your opinions, ladies. well expressed. going expressed. well we're going to

be week again at 930. be back next week again at 930. am to a big am hoping to have a big governmental guest and others, of course, keep you occupied of course, to keep you occupied from 930 to c next week. from 930 to 11 c next week. here's portillo .

it's all about family , being in it's all about family, being in people's living rooms all the interaction and getting to know who our viewers and listeners are. when i was young, my dad used to say, not, not stop, argue. i wanted an outlet that would enable me to give my opinion. people are going through a really time right through a really hard time right now and i know that you don't feel like you're being listened to by these established men. i came to news because. it's came to gb news because. it's the channel and i want the people's channel and i want the people's channel and i want the audience their say the audience to have their say on the events of the day. we are dynamic. we do something different. shows different. democracy shows that the nation is in the wisdom of the nation is in its people . i get to travel to its people. i get to travel to find out what the story is from a personal perspective. the british aren't fools. we british people aren't fools. we know