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christine . broadcaster christine hamilton. broadcaster and journalist stephanie kelly. before we get started, let's your latest news headlines . nana your latest news headlines. nana thank you. good afternoon. it's 4:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb newsroom. the number of people that have died, earthquakes that hit turkey and syria has risen to more . 33,000. turkey has to more. 33,000. turkey has ordered 113 suspects to be detained in connection with the construction of buildings that collapsed in the disaster last monday . some rescue operations monday. some rescue operations have halted in the country after reports of looting, whilst hundreds of , thousands have been hundreds of, thousands have been made homeless in the middle of winter. former turkish ambassador to the uk nigel seferovic told the focus is now on survivors . the and rescue on survivors. the and rescue operations are probably coming to an end because it has been almost a week now and although

yesterday there were some survivors who had been rescued from under the rubble, i it is probably coming to an. now the most important is the sustainability of these survivors and two to create the living conditions for them because it is very difficult there's still no electricity and no heating the labour party is urging the bbc chairman to cancel his position after mps he breached standards when applying for the role. a cross—party committee, says richard sharp, made sickening errors of judgement when he failed to declare that he'd helped johnson to secure a loan when he was prime minister. shadow culture secretary lucy powell questioning whether he's still able to uphold trust and independence . the broadcaster . independence. the broadcaster. it was a report . it really is an it was a report. it really is an unprecedented report means mr. sharp's position is increasing untenable and he should now

reflect on whether able to carry out that very important role at bbc chair to uphold public trust and independent of the bbc . a and independent of the bbc. a man has been charged in connection with disarray outside a hotel housing asylum seekers in knowsley on friday night. year old jarrett skate from liverpool has been charged with violent disorder and assault. he'll appear wirral adult remand court tomorrow . merseyside court tomorrow. merseyside police say the violence fireworks were thrown at officers and a police van set left an officer and two members of the public injured. 40 of the people who were arrested been released on bail . the chair of released on bail. the chair of the commons defence committee is urging rishi sunak boost defence spending due to threats of a new cold war . tory spending due to threats of a new cold war. tory mp tobias ellwood told gb news we need more to replace military equipment and deal with aggression from russia and china. it comes after reports that some nato allies

are concerned about the uk's military readiness still on a peacetime budget . we've moved peacetime budget. we've moved into a new era of insecurity. i make it really clear . still into a new era of insecurity. i make it really clear. still in denial. another cold war has started. not on one front, but on two fronts. with russia , on two fronts. with russia, china. and my concern is russia and china are not going to coalesce . nothing emerged coalesce. nothing emerged together, knowing that they can exploit the international rules based order unless we stand the. brother of murdered two year old james bolger says he'll never forgive the killers . three forgive the killers. three decades after the crime james was snatched from a shopping and killed by two men formerly known john venables and robert thompson and aged ten at the time in merseyside 1993. john venables is currently behind bars and michael fergus says he should stay there to give justice for james. the should stay there to give justice forjames. the search for missing mum nicola bailey is now on its 17th day as police continue to investigate . today

continue to investigate. today yellow ribbons with messages of hope have been tied . a bridge hope have been tied. a bridge over the river wyre near where he was last seen. she disappeared on the 27th of january while walking her dog shortly after dropping her two daughters off at school . daughters off at school. lancashire. police says it's keeping an open mind in its appeal for information . workers appeal for information. workers at airport are to vote on whether to stage fresh strike action , rejecting the latest pay action, rejecting the latest pay offer . unite says over 3000 of offer. unite says over 3000 of its members, including security guards, engineers and firefighters, will begin month long ballot on the 17th of february. union says the offered 10% salary increase amounts to a pay 10% salary increase amounts to a pay cut when compared to the rate of inflation and. canada's prime ministerjustin trudeau , prime minister justin trudeau, says recovery teams are searching the cylindrical object. a us fighter jet shot down over the northwest of the country, the unidentified flying object , the third to be shot

object, the third to be shot down by the us military the past few days. it's believed to be similar to the chinese civil and civilian, which was shot down over the us coast a week ago ago . europe to date on gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now though, it's back to . to. good afternoon. it has just gone 6 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news are live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana. we're virtually signalling has taken a whole new apparently tampons are now being put the men's lives in the centres . the men's lives in the centres. the labour controlled welsh parliament under the leadership of mask mandate drakeford an attempt to help transgender civil servants. now these have it would have been put to the

urinals and a free of charge . urinals and a free of charge. now the telegraph reports that the sign near the tampons , the the sign near the tampons, the letter to the centre in cardiff reads , these products are reads, these products are provided free of charge for all those that need them. following negotiation on behalf by the centre's commission trade union side . look, this is getting side. look, this is getting ridiculous . critics have dubbed ridiculous. critics have dubbed it waste money, and i'm actually inclined to agree that this is part of the welsh lgbt plus plan , which is looking to do something similar to nicholas sturgeon self—identification reform, which incidentally, isn't going very well for nicola. i remember her reform bill. they had it being proposed and nicola of its potential impact . had and nicola of its potential impact. had this potential impact. had this potential impact been taken advantage of in the form of eila bryson , her in the form of eila bryson, her bill would enabled south a&e without any medical supervision . thankfully, it appears common sense not by nicola is kicking in. so this is the sentence who couldn't bring it upon itself to use the term women when it published a report on people who

menstruate. the same places facilities such as showers and toilets are gender neutral and the same place that tom gifford, the same place that tom gifford, the conservative member, said he found shocking that it couldn't work out. the difference between a man, a woman, particular the particularly at a time when they introduce quotas . look, i introduce quotas. look, i acknowledge that we have gender neutral toilets here at gb news which i have to admit i hate. i know the men don't like them ehhen know the men don't like them either. so i'm wondering who or is behind this shift that is making both men and women feel really? why are we pushing this direction of trouble ? i can't direction of trouble? i can't imagine a trans man feel comfortable buying tampons in men's toilets. well obviously happens saying is that free is that men will take these products for their wives, girlfriends and daughters . i'm girlfriends and daughters. i'm all for inclusivity . but perhaps all for inclusivity. but perhaps the reality is that employers are scared . the number of are scared. the number of tribunals involving towards transgender staff has more than doubled from 4 to 9 in 2021 to

2022. now that is a small number. it is still . surely the number. it is still. surely the obvious solution is to have a men's toilet, a toilet and a gender neutral . the reason why gender neutral. the reason why these sort of facilities are separated is that the safety of women from biological men is getting so tiring . so before we getting so tiring. so before we getting so tiring. so before we get stuck into the debate , what get stuck into the debate, what else is coming up today ? the else is coming up today? the great british debate this hour. i'm asking who's leading the eu. the correct decision now brexiteers and remainers of across the political spectrum came together last week to hold a secret summit in which they park in oxfordshire. now they've been discussing where brexit gone wrong. what works needs to remain to be done. this is despite the uk leaving over years ago, so i'm if leaving the eu was worthwhile and the right decision. what do you think? at 445 i'll be speaking to mp john

redwood now. he'll be joining me to discuss the and set out a growth strategy and what direction he thinks the economy should be heading in. you won't want to miss. stay tuned for that. then at 5:00, it's this week outside. now joined week outside. now i'll be joined in studio by a legendary in the studio by a legendary comedian. this 69 year old has been entertaining us for decades on our screens. he won things like tv times, funniest man on television award and hosted the generation game. he's not afraid to shy away either from conservative psy and to tell it how it is. he'll be joining me. miss it. it's his unmissable story. that's on the way in the next hour. tell me what you of everything we're discussing as. email gbviews@gbnews.uk. or tweet at . gb news. well, let's tweet at. gb news. well, let's get started let's welcome again to my panel. author broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcast journalist danny kelly. right so i'm going to come to you, christine, first of

all. so what do you think then this whole thing about gender neutral, which i don't mind if there's gender neutral. what i like is that one for women and one for men. do you think it's getting a bit out of hand? well taking the welsh parliament, i spent five years my sins spent five years for my sins working the welsh parliament working in the welsh parliament while husband member. while my husband was a member. so that building so i know that building extremely. they have men's extremely. and they have men's women's and neutral. so women's and gender neutral. so you have to share. they you don't have to share. they have every single have all three on every single floor rather over lewd in floor there rather over lewd in that building. the idea that tampons be provided free tampons should be provided free to a building where basically are pretty well paid whether they're the members of the centres themselves , the people centres themselves, the people who for them, for the who work for them, for the civil, absolutely civil, i find absolutely ludicrous have a machine where you can buy if you need them to have them free. first of all, i think it's. but it doesn't surprise me coming wales. it really doesn't because you they're behind the they're falling behind the bottom league home bottom of the league of the home nafionsin bottom of the league of the home nations in education, health etc, etc. and they spend all their time and their worrying about this sort of thing. it's

utterly ludicrous . i'm afraid it utterly ludicrous. i'm afraid it doesn't surprise me at all. and europe salute you. right. all that will happen is that will disappear. have wives and girlfriends. but i mean, it's crazy what a waste of taxpayers money. but all at it. i mean, not just the parliament. i mean, it that all it seems that all these different to doing this. different seem to be doing this. what think? funny. well, what do you think? funny. well, i. looking at it from i. i'm looking at it from a different direction. i'm going to account the cost of to take into account the cost of the products, because i think that is an ideological that this is an ideological statement. it's statement. i don't think it's got anything do with doing statement. i don't think it's got right|ing do with doing statement. i don't think it's got right thing do with doing statement. i don't think it's got right thing for» with doing statement. i don't think it's got right thing for women)ing statement. i don't think it's got right thing for women on] the right thing for women on sanitary, sanitary products . i sanitary, sanitary products. i think that this is ideology driven. now, at the they've probably been put on to pressure from various lobby groups, transgender equality groups, but the is it's incredibly hard to say no these groups because if you say no , we'll push back you say no, we'll push back slightly, you'll get under the bus as being transphobic. and then all of a sudden they would usually argument, don't you want to not far as to be inclusive? not as far as the gender neutral at gb news are concerned , i think. i mean, are concerned, i think. i mean, i don't know for women, but i

think about being think it's about being comfortable rather than feeling safe. because you said during your monologue about you feeling comfortable . you didn't say you comfortable. you didn't say you felt unsafe , you felt you felt felt unsafe, you felt you felt uncomfortable . and that's what uncomfortable. and that's what i've been thinking about all. maybe because the maybe if women because the arguments against that is when was the last you were was the last time you were attacked a bloke who now he's attacked by a bloke who now he's attacked by a bloke who now he's a a toilet. that's a woman in a toilet. that's argument. you said, look, argument. but if you said, look, i'm a woman, i don't want a man here. are you not going to attack but i feel attack me? but i feel comfortable. did my comfortable. we did not see my last one look. that's exactly what it is the what i said. it is for the comfort but my reasoning and the reason these facilities are reason why these facilities are separated in the first instance is of women. so is for safeguarding of women. so the certain are male the reason why certain are male or in that way is used for safeguard purposes so you know so that for example in sport the reason why men shouldn't really be against women instead type sports or combat sports is safeguarding of women. so all of them my point there is that it's separate in terms of safeguarding and that is the number one priority. but secondly, the second priority is

also in terms me feeling comfortable. i do feel comfortable. i do feel comfortable sharing my body, my space with things space with biological things when to women only. when it comes to women only. well, face actually, well, let's face it, actually, women take gb women i mean, nobody take gb news example. here we are. it's a rented building. it's not this isn't decision isn't a policy decision by neutral anybody it neutral face. anybody thinks it it's of feeling it's a question of feeling comfortable . nobody that i have comfortable. nobody that i have spoken to , i don't everybody spoken to, i don't ask everybody about nobody feels about it. nobody feels comfortable having an oral sex do the i speak to would rather around and the guys would rather have their own. it is can i just say i don't think that goes all of us concerned about it. well not to know i spoke well they are some of them i'm sure they are. but when i was at the bbc for 50, it's come in they, they, they had gender neutral toilets and was, i've only got and it was, i've only got firsthand experience. might firsthand experience. it might be different it but the blokes were tough bothers but the women were tough bothers but the women were bothered maybe that's just what it's true you're right it's the sense women more if you the sense women more but if you come to the point come back to the point that these tampons were in the men's toilets , it's a risk for

toilets, it's a risk for tribesmen potentially . i mean, toilets, it's a risk for tribesmen potentially. i mean, i don't know if you've taken the hormones, whether you still have menstruate don't menstruate anyway. i don't know what there, i what the deal is there, but i can't imagine man can't imagine a trans man actually wanted to buy tampons is like if man comes out of the toilet, you think feel uncomfortable anyway. it doesn't have to by them they're just hell. as in the bossa hell. i mean as in the bossa nova, this has nothing do with money. this is an ideal logical statement. that's what we called it. virtue signal, right. if you're joining us. but with you're just joining us. but with me, i'm not quite this is on tv onune me, i'm not quite this is on tv online and digital radio. after the break. it started by a great british debate so and i'm asking what eu what is leaving the eu the correct decision secret correct decision a secret cross—party talk was held this week in oxfordshire where leavers remainers, diplomats and business experts all came together. my god, to discuss the issues of brexit and what still needs to be sorted out now has brexit for you? is it worth it? what do think? was it the what do you think? was it the right decision? stay tuned find out .

you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital . we are the and on digital. we are the people's channel. i'm not a queen now. before the break we're discussing labour run welsh parliament offering tampons , the men's toilets . i tampons, the men's toilets. i see what you've been saying. services of which as much attention was paid to the rights for disabled people and their access to toilets so this access to toilets here. so this says why do we appear to have so many idiots members of parliament days ? the parliament these days? the quality our leaders has never quality of our leaders has never been. sense ? been. where did common sense? good question , eileen says. good question, eileen says. wales just as bad as nicholas sturgeon in scotland with idiotic ideas as far as thoughts. thank you. feels so that's great stuff for your company this afternoon it's now time for great british debate this hour i'm asking was leaving the eu the quick has been revealed that brexiteer michael gove held secret cross party

talks which that secret because we all know about it with high ranking members of the labour, including shadow foreign secretary david lammy and deputy pa country house to chair one thursday and friday. another part of that meeting was titled how can make brexit work better with our neighbours in europe was attended by both remainers, brexiteers, diplomats and business experts. now this is despite britain leaving the eu over three years ago and tensions very much still remaining over the trading rules. northern ireland as. well, as the new secretary of the state for science, innovation and technology michelle donelan is preparing to snub the eu's michelle donelan is preparing to snub the eu' s ,100 billion fab snub the eu's ,100 billion fab flagship research scheme if the eu to agree britain's eu fail to agree britain's post—brexit terms of membership. so for the great british debate sir, i'm asking, was leaving the eu the correct decision? well, joining me now splendidly. see former mep and political former brexit mep and political commentator for every firefighter, trade unionist and broadcast some fellow political commentator and broadcaster right . so let's start with you, right. so let's start with you,

beunda right. so let's start with you, belinda how do you feel about the fact that we left the eu? was it in your mind the right absolute lutely? no regrets whatsoever . we voted well in whatsoever. we voted well in 2016. it was a demand constitutional change, not an economic one. and that's the most important factor in this it is about the uk making its own laws. it's not about our politicians or our parliament being perfect . it's about them being perfect. it's about them being perfect. it's about them being accountable , having more being accountable, having more transparency and people having more of a stake in the laws which they live under. i cannot understand this relentless fight by the establishment, by the majority of westminster, it all plays a major to stop the uk from governing itself to they want foreign interference all domestic affairs hence these secret meetings. hence these constant attempts to relate everything to one of our woes to brexit. brexit is just mean, self—governing . that's it. and self—governing. that's it. and we are self—governing . the we are self—governing. the conservative labour party that cannot use the tools and the

inspiration given them they have failed brexit hasn't failed us. okay okay. come to sam dowler . okay okay. come to sam dowler. what your thoughts then? brexit is it the right decision ? of is it the right decision? of course it was a massive disaster from from the get go mean. we all know for example , that boris all know for example, that boris johnson's but all know for example, that boris johnson's bu t £350 million bust johnson's but £350 million bust was a lie and you know and the fact that brexit that was so close . democrats even gb news, close. democrats even gb news, as nigel farage said back in 2060, that if it was a 52, 48% split, they should be a second referendum. obviously at the time, he was thinking that brexit remained was going to win, but it didn't that he piped right down after that and here we with what a shocker. we are with what a shocker. secret, secret meetings between the both both members of both parties, basically trying to sort out the mess that has been made. it's been a disaster and i know i obviously understand what beunda know i obviously understand what belinda was saying like the game but it like, i wish

but then it was like, oh, i wish they stop telling not to they would stop telling not to have bananas , stuff like have bendy bananas, stuff like that. dissolve through that. well, dissolve through it's been since that no one. and where are these. where these huge trade deals that were going to happen to all we've is to happen thanks to all we've is made ourselves weaker with the g7 country to have zero crimes. it is a disaster. well, i mean, some people argue that that wasn't the reason why they voted poll. what do you think ? well, poll. what do you think? well, look, there's an element of people who were anti—brexit are never going to be reconcile to brexit will always look any excuse to describe it as a disaster that's the kind of that they use because they're desperate to prove right and look the truth is what did they say at the time in terms of project fear in 2016? they said, if we voted leave, there would be an immediate recession as , a be an immediate recession as, a result of voting leave, an emergency budget. as a result, and votes in the rockets in interest rocketing unemployment as a of voting leads. now the

truth is we have in the years later experienced some of those things but no one can credibly argue that it was as a result as of brexit. those things have been caused in large part inflation, for example, as a result of the war in ukraine. the economic crisis that we're facing , as the economic crisis that we're facing, as well as mismanagement of the economy , has been caused of the economy, has been caused by the lockdown effects in the pandemic and so on. so, you know , people on the anti—brexit side are always going to trot out the excuse that what experiencing now in terms of the economy is down to brexit. that's just not borne out by the evidence and they should be more honest in their it . hmm. they should be more honest in their it. hmm. so their assessment of it. hmm. so i look, the thing is, i we've got what about what about people like david lammy? i mean, what you would is this idea, though, that there was this meeting it's three in view , three years late, in my view, but was this meeting. now, but there was this meeting. now, finally of actually finally of them actually discussing whether brexit, how brexit can work. linda, do you that can work? because that brexit can work? because i mean, at the moment it is a mess. anyone, even those of us

voted to i voted to leave. i'm not saying that's been handled very well. i thought we our parliament control things that they do a good job but right now they're out. well i'm they're hashing it out. well i'm not brexit is going to be managed well by a man who called brexit mps westminster worse than. brexit mps westminster worse than . i think brexit mps westminster worse than. i think we brexit mps westminster worse than . i think we should all than. i think we should all remember david lammy said about us and you called michael gove a top , and i us and you called michael gove a top, and i would challenge that he voted enthusiastically times for me . surrender treaty one of for me. surrender treaty one of the worst treaties ever presented to the parliament. that country would have signed. if it had been defeated in a war. michael gove said one of the reasons he supported it was because the compromise would help cabinet unity. i put party before country so i do not trust the likes of lammy and gove to make the best brexit. and i think we should start self—governing of brexit because that's all brexit is. it's the uk making its own. it is also an insurance policy nana against

the ever evolving, ever expanding eu that is becoming more anti anti—democratic this time. 510 years we'll be so thankful we escaped. what? what is to become of the eu project ? is to become of the eu project? so it's an insurance policy as well. but i don't trust google. let me manage brexit whatsoever. who you trust then to manage it because. so i'm not seeing any of them . would you trust sunak of them. would you trust sunak beunda of them. would you trust sunak belinda john redwood brings i kings a very very very slim i think you have him on later on in the show and he actually tweeted out that he was concerned that you know these meetings weren't about brexit opportunities. they were about, you know, the damage limitation. and there are a handful of tory mps that are fighting for brexit. but what big question is, is why the establishment so against the uk making its own laws and it's because it doesn't trust the people . they don't trust the people. they don't like how we vote. they want more democracy for us. we vote the wrong way. this is why people must protect our stake in the

laws we live under than ever. now what do you think? because what she's saying is that what she's saying is that people, you know, this people, we're not trusted. the public trusted, which is why they actually government don't want to do what we want . if we we've were the we want. if we we've were the ones that voted for brexit, it was lies or not. i'm not going to and other guest says you know the people keep saying , oh, we the people keep saying, oh, we should never mention this. it's too late. it's done now and nobody meeting nobody at the secret meeting is apparently suggesting apparently even suggesting going back but like you back into the eu. but like you know, is me. good thing know, this is me. one good thing that has happened like mean, that has happened like i mean, obviously, agreed obviously, i obviously agreed with, you know, the war in the ukraine and obviously the pandemic lockdowns, like pandemic and lockdowns, but like nothing of nothing is nothing has come of nothing is diminished on the world stage. we're we're pretty much the embarrassment like this is embarrassment and like this is this with the this is simply to do with the fact that we decided that we thought we could do better going on and we have not we should on own and we have not we should be the eu leading from the be in the eu leading from the front, you. you don't lead front, not you. you don't lead from is just it's

from the back. this is just it's appalling behaviour. i mean, like of like i would of course i wouldn't. it's a force. i want it to work. i won't eat. i want britain and uk to be stronger. but doesn't seem to be but i'm just doesn't seem to be happening to happening and no one seems to have the answers. that's why this are this crisis beings are happening. i mean happening. well, i mean the crisis i think it's crisis meeting. i think it's important paul. what's your thoughts this because thoughts on this then? because michelle donnelly, talking michelle donnelly, she's talking about of billion about pulling out of 100 billion deal if eu are to deal if the if the eu are to prepared be more accommodating because it's sort of everyone wants is the wants this i think is the honzon wants this i think is the horizon project that you're talking . do you think talking about now. do you think of that? do think the eu are of that? do you think the eu are kind of these things to kind of using these things to kind of using these things to kind punish the uk leaving . kind of punish the uk leaving. well, very possibly. i was enjoying sam listening to his liberal stress , you know , liberal stress, you know, because they do they think the whole has had a catastrophic effect and you know , it's almost effect and you know, it's almost hysterical in there analysis of that. and this could take catastrophizing i think is not particularly helpful to the debate. and i think what simon people like have got to understand is what happened in

2016 was a genuine democrat revolt by voters in this country, mainly working class , country, mainly working class, who feel that a ten year establishment , both in europe establishment, both in europe and here, i've seen it liberal establishment in the main . i've establishment in the main. i've been completely impervious to their concerns and their demands and i had complete disrespect for their lives and didn't particularly want to associate with them and what that was in 2016 was a warning shot across the bow of the eu and of the uk government. uk elites say, look, we're not prepared to be treated like this anymore . we've got the like this anymore. we've got the power at the ballot box and you know, referendum you know, a referendum to hold you people and i think people to account. and i think people to account. and i think people dismiss and people who dismiss that and people who dismiss that and people try to examine brexit simply through the narrow prison , you know, fluctuating figures from time to time are actually missing the trick this was people in their millions demanding bit of agency in their lives, demanding restoration of democracy in their lives, saying actually , i am going to force

actually, i am going to force you to listen to me whether you want to or not. and it seems to me that that same establishment helped to bring that situation . helped to bring that situation. and mcguinness the same and now mcguinness the same mistake again they're continuing to a defence to the people who lodged that protest vote and. i think in the end that's not going to reconcile the differences in this and they're not going to win hearts and minds that approach. they're still learning . so i'm still not learning. so i'm glad he's addressing pretty much he's addressing that pretty much to really. come on. to your point, really. come on. how is it democratic? when it was , it was pushed over the line was, it was pushed over the line by his . exactly. that's not by his. exactly. that's not democratic. it's all i'm i'm sure. i'm sure. i'm sure people. i'm sure people. i'm sure people wanted to get it, you know, give a boo to the to brexit or to or , to the meps. but like it was pushed over the line lies and pushed over the line by lies and it was and it was so plagued . it was and it was so plagued. and we are reaping the and then here we are reaping the of which there are none and we are in a worse state than we were before . like it's all very were before. like it's all very well to say a lot of elites at least we can make our own laws. well, you know. good luck having

your straight bananas now where we can't even afford buy them we can't even afford to buy them in shops but that not in the shops but that it's not a this this is so insulting to this is this is so insulting to the british people the same kind of you didn't know what you're voting load you people voting for you load you people are sickos and you are a load of sickos and you know believed these crazy know you believed these crazy lies leading arguments from lies they leading arguments from both to be honest and it was up to the eu. i did a master's in eu law at the time and feel like i'm no expert i'm quite qualified to see the difference between a country self—governing itself and outsourcing its powers to a supranational government . well it's both. government. well it's both. well, that's what it was then the bananas the apple you talk about benefit. no i mean it's people like something that. the reason that so many millions of people in this country voted to leave the european union was simply because of something they read on the side of a big red. then you do understand own then you do not understand own country and you do not understand what's been going on after . i'll have to leave it after. i'll have to leave it that people didn't. we don't

believe anything the politicians say we vote with what we think. listen, thank you very much for your thoughts and our political commentator and broadcaster beunda commentator and broadcaster belinda lucy, brexit mep belinda lucy, former brexit mep and paul and political commentator paul embery trade unionist embery, trade unionist and broadcaster. you're with me. i'm nana akua this dvds is on tv onune nana akua this dvds is on tv online and digital right here after . the break we'll continue after. the break we'll continue that great debate this i'm asking what's leaving the eu the correct decision whatever the thoughts. broadcaster thoughts. my panel, broadcaster and christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and author christine hamilton and broadcaster journalist tani kelley. then at 5:00, i'll be joined in the studio by a legendary comedian. you've got own for five series and own show for five series and starred in high rating tv sitcoms, elephant and around sitcoms, the elephant and around the castle at home he also had a has history of entertaining military personnel, which includes five trips to the falklands. you won't want to miss that on the way. but first your latest news headlines . your latest news headlines. thank you. good afternoon. it's just gone past four. i'm bethany elsey in gb newsroom. the un aid

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so is this coming up, 37, 36 minutes, sorry, after 4:00. this is gb views. we the people's channel. don't forget, as you can stream the show live on youtube. i've done a quip. right. so let's return to our great british debate hour. i'm asking , great british debate hour. i'm asking, leaving great british debate hour. i'm asking , leaving the great british debate hour. i'm asking, leaving the eu was in your view the correct decision. now it's been revealed that top brexiteer michael gove held secret cross party talks which everybody knows about high everybody knows about with high ranking members of labour ranking members of the labour party country house in party at the country house in oxfordshire last week the private was titled how private meeting was titled how can brexit better can we make brexit work better without ? neighbours in europe without? neighbours in europe and was both attended by remainers brexiteers, diplomats and business experts . remainers brexiteers, diplomats and business experts. i remainers brexiteers, diplomats and business experts . i wonder, and business experts. i wonder, does anybody specifically the eu, that that would be handy ? eu, that that would be handy? now despite britain now this is despite britain leaving eu over three years ago and tensions much still remaining over the northern protocol and of course the uk preparing to snub the use of ,100 billion flagship research if fail agree to if the eu fail agree to britain's post—brexit terms

membership. so what do you think i'm asking? was leaving the eu the correct decision. let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by and broadcaster christine hamilton as a broadcaster and journalist danny . kelly, let's start with you, danny do you think i mean, first of all, i'm presuming you voted . let tell you , i have . well, let me tell you, i have kept this top secret . everybody kept this top secret. everybody i know thinks i voted brexit, and i'm not going to try persuade them any differently . persuade them any differently. going back to the if the devil just isn't that got david lammy, you've got michael gove, david lammy in 2000 and i think beunda lammy in 2000 and i think belinda alluded to it. i wouldn't have married wife if her grandfather hadn't escaped germany . as a jew, i'm david germany. as a jew, i'm david lammy to even conflate today's politics. the european research group with germany is scandal andifs group with germany is scandal and it's a disgrace . and this is and it's a disgrace. and this is while hard left bullies do what david is not here to defend himself but . well, i'm reacting himself but. well, i'm reacting to what, he said. and it's on

the record so that's a scandal. let's get back to your question about has brexit. i disagree beunda about has brexit. i disagree belinda because belinda in my opinion like nigel farage they seem to focus too much on sovereignty . and when i was at sovereignty. and when i was at the bbc calls and tossing the aftermath of the 2006 referendum and i was listening to and people's stories of the west midlands who overwhelmed early voted after brexit, very few said bureaucrats , very said unelected bureaucrats, very few people said sovereignty . the few people said sovereignty. the overwhelming majority of people who voted was because of unfettered so politicians focus on sovereignty, but i think they lose a little bit of attachment to the overwhelming majority that voted because , in my view, that voted because, in my view, because of unfettered immigration, because it worked. it's too it's too early . some it's too it's too early. some people would call those people who that that's who voted that because that's what called racists what we were all called racists we doing that. yeah. but we for doing that. yeah. but actually i think it was more the result of what unfettered immigration so more the immigration did. so more the fact that drove wages down. fact that it drove wages down. correct. which meant that the

indigenous population to those who in this who actually in reside in this country. well wouldn't take the jobs on offer because. jobs that were on offer because. suddenly the wages lower and they couldn't actually afford to live, i think , the live, which is, i think, the reason a lot people in my reason why a lot of people in my view, one of the reasons why i didn't really like the concept of remaining in eu because of remaining in the eu because i felt big business was felt that big business was taking advantage a situation where a very where they could get a very cheap and then not cheap workforce and then not give workers the right wage. give the workers the right wage. christine well don't do not personally underestimate sovereignty a factor in sovereignty as a big factor in me voting for brexit because i there is no price on being able run your own country basically and was sam dowler who said you know any know there haven't been any advantages to brexit. well i'm sorry sam but they have all sorry sam but they have of all let let's but recent the let let's go but recent the vaccine. we never if we've vaccine. yeah we never if we've been hampered by the by the membership of the eu would membership of the eu we would never have got the vaccine out so quickly. we were much quicker off helping ukraine. i off the mark helping ukraine. i mean idea of an eu army is mean the idea of an eu army is utterly absurd. we save d £191 utterly absurd. we saved £191 billion joining billion pounds by not joining pact post covid stimulus fund. we saved billion which we haven't had to contribution. we

haven't had to contribution. we haven't had to make the budget. there are countless examples and i think i can't remember who used word hysterical, but i think it was paul embery actually. they are they remain is hysterical it. and is all hysterical about it. and what extraordinary what find really extraordinary the this meeting secret the idea this meeting is secret it's obviously absurd . why it's obviously absurd. why just the which is still in the government which is still in power and had an seat majority within living memory. why does it feel need to meet together with all the shadow people? why do they need to talk to david lammy? sort of wonderful lammy? what sort of wonderful light is he getting through on? what me it seems what to do? to me it seems indicative that the government know that they're know perfectly well that they're not to be here for very much longer. so better talking longer. so better start talking to side. but the to the other side. but the reason if brexit hasn't reason why, if brexit hasn't worked as as some of us worked as well as some of us might hoped, because might have hoped, because the government has been absolutely in taking of the in taking advantage of the brexit dividend, know, it brexit dividend, you know, it could been absolutely could have been absolutely amazing . and for example, with amazing. and for example, with just about to the corporation tax, but just about to increase corporation tax to 25 or 20, all of that is going to be so damaging to growth and to

business. so we're just hampering ourselves all the more want to. well, some people would say that the reason why the conservative party with a massive majority really doing anything because are anything is because they are their opposition, frankly . their own opposition, frankly. well, themselves well, they provided themselves with without with the opposition without actually needing to use the opposition, quite opposition, which is quite handy. they've wasted what is six handy. they've wasted what is fix and handy. they've wasted what is six and some people would six years and some people would say at the say actually looking at the way we , we're one of the slowest we are, we're one of the slowest growing the that's growing in the g7 that's what our sound point out and this our sound did point out and this could be the reason but one of them brexit that's because we had severe lockdown had a really severe lockdown like really like portugal and italy really slow up. we had an slow to catch up. we had an incredibly draconian, strict lockdown hindsight, lockdown that with hindsight, a lot say was was lot of people would say was was an there will be an overreaction. there will be remainers at remainers who are screaming at the television now, the television right now, not a christine, are saying christine, who are saying we could have rolled the vaccine out. you didn't need be part of the european agency the european medicines agency and right. what and they're right. but what i would them to do is for them would ask them to do is for them to one country to name me one other country that alone unilaterally. that went alone unilaterally. and can't and they can't, and if can't and they can't, then i would say that's the brexit benefit , because we have brexit benefit, because we have more and malleable . and more flexible and malleable. and also johnson road back the

also boris johnson road back the 350 it was actually that 350 bill. it was actually that figure was 250 million and i would also throw back at if it's a 250 bill go towards the nhs rather the 350 would not have made difference of course it made any difference of course it wouldn't it's a lot of money i didn't take it bus with they were just distortions of the truth let's call it that on both sides it's be honest. well that's true well let's this is it's without you and it's nothing without you and your great your views. welcome. a great british is opportunity to british voice is opportunity to be show tell us they be on the show and tell us they think about the topics we're discussing why should go to discussing why should we go to twitter kidderminster quite twitter to kidderminster quite like there was a chat like i done there was a chat with john omicron head that see how john that. john how john really that. john brexit okay we it was a good or badidea brexit okay we it was a good or bad idea you going back on it? did you go what did you do? can you say. i know what voted to come out because i thought was the best thing for our country. and i still think it's the best thing for our country. i would say i don't think this have done the particularly well. the the exit particularly well. the arguments over northern ireland is aren't they is just ridiculous. aren't they but i think they're but yeah, i think they're heading right they

heading in the right they finally move on finally they get a move on social it for some in 100% in agreement christine not agreement with christine not always today no i always but and today no i thought you going to say totally the john reid, always the opposite. john reid, always a in a pleasure, john in kidderminster, you kidderminster, thank you for your a great british your views. he's a great british voice on you're with me. i'm not a quitter. this tv news on tv a quitter. this is tv news on tv onune a quitter. this is tv news on tv online and it's already after the break. i'll be speaking to conservative mp john redwood. now, been an mp since 1987 now, he's been an mp since 1987 and will be joining me to the direction he believes the economy should be heading in and what his visions are after this short .

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as the government continue to battle lower inflation and with rising interest rates strikes appearing to hammer the majority of the public sector. the prime and chancellor remain adamant that the highest tax burden the second world war, as well as the plans to increase tax in april, is right direction to begin to grow the economy . but how should grow the economy. but how should we correct ? what do you think? we correct? what do you think? so joining me now is conservative working in sir john. john, thank very much for joining me . okay. now, i just joining me. okay. now, ijust want to ask you your thoughts on this current rate of taxation in this current rate of taxation in this country and what you think about the direction that we're heading . what is far too high. heading. what is far too high. we need to tax rates down and grow the economy so that we grow the tax revenues this government is getting tax wrong . all the is getting tax wrong. all the evidence from the past shows that the conservative that were brave enough to cut taxes and cut company tax rates grew the

economy and above all grew the revenues far more than if you cut the rates very high levels. and that's what they've got to do. again i'm delighted that the prime minister and the chancellor now saying they want a growth budget was the first argument we had to win with them. they're right about, but they now need to whittle. that means as well as the and the means as well as the and the means does require substantial in tax rates particularly on business investment and on energy because we're very short capacity in this country. we're we're not making enough things. we're not making enough things. we're not making enough things. we're not growing things. we're not doing enough things now. we're out of the eu there should be nothing stopping us. but at the moment, treasury taxes are stopping us. well, if we're talking about taxes corporation tax, they're going to put that up . but they're also talking up. but they're also talking i was reading about hydrogen levy up. but they're also talking i was they ng about hydrogen levy up. but they're also talking i was they were out hydrogen levy up. but they're also talking i was they were about drogen levy up. but they're also talking i was they were about introducing that they were about introducing as well, which seems somewhat ludicrous considering . the fact ludicrous considering. the fact that most of us are struggling . that most of us are struggling. what view on these what is your view on these energy levies and in particular

the hydrogen levy that was being mentioned today ? well, they're mentioned today? well, they're far too many of them. and the really bad model they're adopting is a socialist model . adopting is a socialist model. adopting this model that we put taxes on everything . we've got taxes on everything. we've got windfall taxes and got vat and we've got carbon on the energy we're using . and then the we're using. and then the government does realise that. thatis government does realise that. that is just too expensive for people can't afford it. companies don't make any money. so they then start giving us subsidies back . and so you tax subsidies back. and so you tax to send a subsidy back and everybody seems to be worse off as a result. what we need to do is to get rid of some of the taxes on energy. we need to take the vat off domestic energy, for example, and then we wouldn't need a big subsidy from the government . we take the government. we need to take the carbon taxes down because they're penal. they're much higher than anywhere else in the world our businesses can world so that our businesses can afford energy, to make afford to burn energy, to make things here. it's pretty obvious what has to happen. and i'm going to carry trying to get the

government see sense but it government to see sense but it seems pretty but when you know it tried by liz truss and we're not going to go into what she did but it spooked the markets did but it spooked the markets did it not speak ? markets. did it not speak? markets. i mean, that's what people say that. the mini—budget spooked the even in my the markets even though in my view. thought some of those view. i thought some of those things were heading in that direction they possibly direction and they possibly used liz where we. liz truss excuse where we. what's your philosophy with that in terms of. well it wasn't the tax rates that spooked them markets and what got the market down in the bombs . and there was down in the bombs. and there was a big, big fall in the bombs was first of all the bank of england , the federal reserve, both the american central saying to american central bank saying to the market before the big if we want those bonds to go a lot lower, we to interest lower, we want to stick interest rates through the roof and rates up through the roof and that's what the market that's exactly what the market did the did were following the instructions bank england instructions the bank england and just to sure that the and just to make sure that the market was completely trashed the bank of england said it was going to sell billions of pounds of partly to drive the of bonds partly to drive the pnces of bonds partly to drive the prices of them down. so the

market naturally said , yes, market naturally said, yes, we're going to take the prices of bonds down. if you remember a few days later, the bank of england said, gosh, this england said, oh gosh, you this a we're now going buy a bit, we're now going to buy bonds instead keeping bonds again instead of keeping on them. and the market recovered to all losses. so recovered to all the losses. so it all about the bank and it was all about the bank and about the interest rates . yeah, about the interest rates. yeah, it seemed they were to it seemed they were able to correct when needed to correct it when they needed to when like we've just when they felt like we've just been brexit and been discussing brexit and whether still the correct whether it still the correct decision in your view considering where we are with it we don't seem to have moved for any any further forward. we got issues with . the northern issues with. the northern ireland protocol. what do you what is your take that. well brexit the right policy is the right policy and we need to complete brexit. so when i heard some of that debate, you're absolutely right to say that we've saved money already. we should have saved more , but we should have saved more, but we didn't do a particularly good deal didn't do a particularly good deal. but quite soon we won't be having to pay anything to the eu. and a lot of that extra money is into health money is going into health service and other public

services. we have got the flexibility to do things like services. we have got the flexvaccine) do things like services. we have got the flexvaccine development le services. we have got the flexvaccine development which the vaccine development which you already commented on. we do so much more if we take control properly . we've allowed the eu properly. we've allowed the eu temporary to annexe northern ireland, but that isn't brexit and we've got a legislative solution to that. the house of commons has voted by big majority to, impose a uk solution to . but the lords of solution to. but the lords of course have been very difficult. we need to get their lordships to get out of the way so that we can get northern ireland back. and for example, we could and then for example, we could be more imaginative, cutting vat . i one of the reasons . i think one of the reasons treasury doesn't to cut vat treasury doesn't want to cut vat is they only believe is that they only believe they can't it all in ireland. we can't do it all in ireland. we need to our fish back need to get our fish back properly. that was going be properly. that was going to be a big we're still waiting to big win. we're still waiting to have full control our fishing because there was no proper agreement for those agreement on that for all those years we actually when years ago when we actually when negotiating i'm negotiating the exit. so i'm impatient to have proper impatient to have a proper brexit. i think it's always right be independent right to be an independent country and make our own country and to make our own decisions . and we still

decisions. and we are still struggling on of these to struggling on some of these to make decisions . so make our own decisions. so government again, get on with it. we for it. 29 to an it. we voted for it. 29 to an overwhelming vote to take back control . and so the borders are control. and so the borders are wide about it. i'm glad that's one of the priorities of the prime minister. i'm fully behind him. where's legislation, rishi? that's what we get on with it. i'm ready to go in on monday instead of parliament being on houday instead of parliament being on holiday again in order to get it done. yeah well here, here i mean about to gag around you, but but bringing it back some people are talking about these trade deals because they're saying, well, what about trading with our biggest trading partner, which the eu people felt that, you know , the you felt that, you know, the you know what is happening us now because we have lost one of our biggest trading partners is that is that do you that as an issue that's just to remain lies and it i mean we've actually sacrificed a lot i think necessarily to get a free trade with the eu. so we still have a comprehensive free trade

agreement with them and they're selling a load of exports into our market because it was always very lopsided, one sided trade. what i want to see us do is use some of the legislative and some of the money we've freed up and so forth to make them grow more here. i think the common agricultural policy deeply agricultural policy is deeply damaging to our farming. i don't like replacement, yet we like the replacement, yet we could make the replacement a lot better we should using our better. we should be using our money to support our farmers to grow more our own and that grow more our own food and that would a great brexit win. would be a great brexit win. a lot of people would to buy more good value british food and a lot of people would like cut lot of people would like to cut the food so again the food miles. so again government on with it our government get on with it our farming that for us. do farming that works for us. do you think they would not why they're so stifled . but what they're so stifled. but what about immigration? you talked the migration issue . you gently the migration issue. you gently touched on it . a lot of people touched on it. a lot of people are saying, well, because the fact that we've left the eu has actually difficult to return. people back. we have an agreement before where we could return people back to france.

now because of brexit. this is one of the reasons that is causing problem. well well, that just isn't true, is it? we weren't lots of people to france and of under the eu and of course under the eu membership we had to accept everybody who came over, whereas we can decide who to welcome in from the continent and who not to legally. so we need to use that power . but to legally. so we need to use that power. but you're quite right, the things isn't working properly and we've now heard from the government they think they need further legislative change, why i say fine, change, which is why i say fine, i, my friends have put some suggestions on you could do that in a civilised and sensible way and narrow targeted way just to take control that particular problem . so why are we not doing problem. so why are we not doing it ? does it involve very large it? does it involve very large question? i haven't got much time left. does it involve getting out of your or. no, it doesn't involve getting out of the job. but what does require is to set out a clear, fair system for handling people who would like to come to the uk and to say that that particular law

with any legal challenge from wherever might come, just as we to do with prisoner votes, for example , we decided we didn't example, we decided we didn't want prisoners . these said we want prisoners. these said we should . we came to an agreement should. we came to an agreement that we would make our own decision and we didn't have to opt out of all of the rest of the thing. well i sense that. john redwood mp, thank you very much for talking to me. much appreciated. right now. just before we head over world view coming at five, it's outside. coming up at five, it's outside. someone consider guest the king of shows and comedy keep guessing who he is. he'll be joining me later in the studio. but now it is time for worldview. and earlier this week, president zelenskyy gave a historic westminster historic speech at westminster parliament where he thanked the uk the way in europe uk for leading the way in europe in aid ukraine. in providing aid to ukraine. here talk this is political here to talk this is political commentator and russia expert danny armstrong. now danny, thank you very much for joining me. zelenskyy's visit now. it's great to see you all given the hat. thank you. didn't put it on? i thought we might. that was

just as it didn't talk us very, very briefly to what happened when what was there when he came and what was there any agreement that came out any of agreement that came out of that? yeah was volodymyr zelenskyy made a whistle stop to the uk and to paris and brussels. this is going to be a whistle stop tour from to explain it all. so of course yes he did give that helmet over to lindsay hoyle. he to the lindsay hoyle. he gave to the king of belgium a fragment of a downed russian fighter jet. of downed russian fighterjet. of course, wasn't subtle. course, it wasn't very subtle. what he wanted what symbolised that he wanted fighter been at fighter fighter jets his been at the word for quite few the post word for quite few months he wants those f—16 months now he wants those f—16 fighter . months now he wants those f—16 fighter. would months now he wants those f—16 fighter . would with the fighter. he would do with the british typhoon fighters. we understand that those us made f—16 fighter jets preferred to those british jets. but he wants wings freedom. wants wings of freedom. he wants something the air something to protect the air over ukraine. if we customise back to a ago when this back to a year ago when this conflict started that's what ukraine wanted. wants ukraine wanted. he wants to close the airspace so they could protect themselves from . those protect themselves from. those russian fighter jets and russian bombs on ukraine. now, bombs landing on ukraine. now, that was something that was approached a little bit of hesitation. a little bit of

unsure if he from the western powers, because , of course, that powers, because, of course, that would bring us into direct contact, as it were, with russia. and that's the same thing that's happening. the western of course, the western powers, of course, the eu, poland, germany the and eu, poland, germany the us and uk, been the biggest uk, which have been the biggest aid financial, aid providers, financial, humanitarian and of course, militarily to ukraine, have been hesitant on providing more just they don't want to accentuate they don't want to accentuate the conflict in ukraine they do believe it will bring us into direct contact as we see in russia and vladimir putin. some of the rhetoric coming out of the kremlin, they do believe they are with the west. they are at war with the west. but what we've nato and that, of course, means with western countries us and, the countries that the us and, the uk. like all this is uk. so it looks like all this is just going prolong just going to prolong the conflict leading away conflict and is leading away from peace talks, but those western powers are being very, very hesitant to provide fighter jets. jets, rather, we jets. fighter jets, rather, we know poland , the neighbour know that poland, the neighbour to has that. president to ukraine, has that. president duda said he is very duda has said he is very hesitant. he needs to think about it is a because it would exacerbate that conflict what it

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and canadian joint air forces. and the beautiful thing is , is and the beautiful thing is, is that the chinese are going to trouble is it seems if they correct these are spy balloons instead of just hacking into everybody's tiktok account , they everybody's tiktok account, they are actually bothering to put a balloon in space to monitor everything and not use the satellites that they've already got there you go. got there. yeah, there you go. there is. when think, there he is. when you think, yeah, you that you'd think that they would realise we could see them . see them. well maybe you them. see them. well maybe you can see them. well we can see them. they're up the sky. if them. they're up in the sky. if you to tiny very briefly you got to tiny if very briefly as well. we've about 30 as well. we've got about 30 seconds. me about trump. seconds. talk to me about trump. he's on facebook, instagram and all the stuff. very all the other stuff. very briefly, back. yeah he's briefly, seconds back. yeah he's got 23 million followers on instagram is 34 million on facebook and he's back now. and you can all we can now reconnect with our dear leader. and so , with our dear leader. and so, yes, he's been reinstated by and now he's finally back on all the big three. but he's not using them. he's on truth so that so that's trump this . well listen that's trump this. well listen paul i've been feeling lot better that port authority is

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presenting the generation game as well as hosting the big break. you guessed it. yet he's also appeared in reality tv programmes including 13th series of celebrity big brother , of celebrity big brother, eventually winning the show now that he has i guess commanded the tv airwaves is also written to autobiographies including the full monty and close to the edge . my mystery guest is currently the chairman of the british forces foundation charity. he was awarded an obe services to the charity sector back in 2001. and at the moment he has a youtube channel where he shares his opinions , news stories. he his opinions, news stories. he he set this up during the covid lockdown and has been also married a staggering five times. so you just think it could be? of course it is. i'm pleased to say. i'm joined now by jim david champ. well, how are you? i'm fine, thank you. how do you know, that was a picture of my dad with we blurred that and that was my dad on this is your life. he couldn't speak was so drunk but he couldn't help it. he was glaswegian i'm an he was glaswegian and i'm an andrew jock. must have been

andrew jock. you must have been very , your boy. my dad very proud, your boy. my dad said , i and eamonn said thank said, i and eamonn said thank you. john davidson . and that was you. john davidson. and that was it . i'm not you. john davidson. and that was it. i'm not chairman of the british forces foundation. what was found and also founder of care after combat you get a bit old and suddenly it's time to step down and let grown ups take over and do it properly . so, over and do it properly. so, jim, talk to me about your life then, because it's like this is your life, isn't it? it is where your life, isn't it? it is where you sort of grew up. actually, that's my neck of the woods south—east london, south—east so what like growing up what was it like growing up there? it was right . there? well, it was all right. we a council house that, we had a council house that, funnily by funnily enough was was built by italian prisoners of war that were held there. and it was nice . we had a little driveway, two bedrooms, a little box room where i grew up. and a lot of people my age grew in a box room in the council house, freezing ice on inside of the window. ice on the inside of the window. i race would believe i was mixed race would believe i had a glass. scottish father and irish catholic mother and all arguments in my house were fantastic . and we grew up in it

fantastic. and we grew up in it was great little atmosphere you play was great little atmosphere you play football in street you let your dog out in the morning need run around and come back when they wanted this dinner. it's all gone now. that's all changed. but it has changed quite a bit as well. yeah, yeah, yeah, it has. yeah. but it was, it fun growing up. i didn't it was fun growing up. i didn't like very much. was like school very much. i was a bit a show off. i was the bit of a show off. i was the last one of five children as ten year gap between and my late year gap between me and my late brother, who's gone now. brother, who's who's gone now. so i was the bit the show off i was one that one of the all the attention it hasn't worn off as you tell now where you were you can tell now where you were was it quite diverse? no it really was what it was. well i went to school. they were two black guys at school. there was. what was his name ? i can't what was his name? i can't remember his name, but my mate was my best with the black guy that was he was we were inseparable . his name was inseparable. his name was georgie campbell . inseparable. his name was georgie campbell. he ended up being a dancer in starlight . being a dancer in starlight. would you believe georgie ? we would you believe georgie? we played in the middle together in football team and he sounded

exactly like me . and then about exactly like me. and then about four years after school, i saw him in lewisham and he'd got the dreadlocks and there was another couple of black guys . i went, couple of black guys. i went, george, with me? george, how are you with me? with to bread and butter runs with me to bread and butter runs . and i said, well, you talking like that before. he said, i'm with on i think , i with me, my son on i think, i think he put on an accent because in your career you've beeni because in your career you've been i mean. there's one time when did something with the when you did something with the bbc where you were criticised, you the show. i mean bbc where you were criticised, you was the show. i mean bbc where you were criticised, you was talk,e show. i mean bbc where you were criticised, you was talk, oh ow. i mean bbc where you were criticised, you was talk, oh yeah,mean bbc where you were criticised, you was talk, oh yeah, yeah. there was talk, oh yeah, yeah. well know it was because well you know it was because i used to do like that growing up a multiracial school sort of thing. and because you did accents , it was okay, you didn't accents, it was okay, you didn't do jokes one person, you just did the accent. and i tried to make that someone said, you make that someone said, oh, you know, you mustn't generalise , know, you mustn't generalise, don't you pick a one person. so i invented this character called georgie never chalky white always chalky. and he was always the looking back , the winner. and looking back, would i do it again? yes, looking back. would do it now? looking back. would i do it now? no. why then. and no no. you why and then. and no one's a west indian accent one's got a west indian accent

anymore i think. anymore do you think. i think. no one is. go. well let him get me. they won't get me now because have got youtube, because only have i got youtube, got own tv streaming called got my own tv streaming called ustream and no one can cancel me from that. so did your big break, pardon the pun. when did sort of get big sort of sort of get your big sort of four onto the stage a kid. four onto the stage as a kid. yeah. went to be 12 year old yeah. i went to be a 12 year old in the gang show with all the boy scouts. it leave it. yeah that was 1966. i was a little doing impressions and then played in a pub in college. yeah and then went in a pub in college and the comedian didn't turned up so filled with about £6 of lager. i was pushed on and they said, well, you can do this. so then i went to a pub called the black bull in lewisham when to clean the window cleaning with my mate larry. and said the governor larry. and he said the governor is looking for a comedian. i told him you'd do it. and he said to me, you know, if says so what pubs of your work then i just my load of pubs offered what so i went in what you want now. so i went in and did my first spot on the sunday lunchtime, 12:00. not a

soul , the pub at all. and soul, the pub at all. and i walked and just twiddled , talked walked and just twiddled, talked to the girl a bit and then in came a load of guys of west indian origin who'd been playing football and that was , that was football and that was, that was my first audience and we had a ball. it was great. and then he said you can do saturdays and sundays you get ten quid, but you got to sort of be the ball as well. so that was that was it. that's how i was a professional 1974, 74. i was three years old then. you ain't that old. i have no. really yvonne. no. oh, i it that's such a good reason . love the ladies a good reason. love the ladies and gentlemen. let's take a phone vote. oh, you're fibbing nonsense. if they want, do that. well, same age as my wife. i might go. then your wife would match them up. they got someone to to when i'm miserable. to talk to when i'm miserable. now went you didn't on now you went on, you didn't on opportunity was it opportunity knocks was it new faces? new faces? new faces? new faces? yeah, new faces. now you want it, you want it, i want it once and then i want it second and then in want it second time. and then in the final was beaten by the gala final i was beaten by roger . he had a teddy roger de corti. he had a teddy

bear acquiesced. i had not been too well like you, roger. so i wish him all the best. what wasn't looking bad, was it? it was a little teddy bear, not nookie. it was called nookie. not nookie . then look bad. that not nookie. then look bad. that was sad . these were nice. is was sad. these were nice. is really nice watch called to bear the change it of is well he's he's he's battling at the moment think he's not particularly well i don't know the details you know but he's a good guy and he was very very good was he was good and i worked with him before we did new faces and dunng before we did new faces and during that new faces got spotted by benny hill. would you believe benny. yeah yeah. and he introduced me to a producer , introduced me to a producer, then i did a tv show and by 1979, i had my own tv show, the jim davidson, 1980 top of the bill unemployed , etcetera, bill unemployed, etcetera, etcetera etcetera. and then thames television , my own show, thames television, my own show, and then i got the sack man, benny hill got the sack overnight . why wokeness ? i think overnight. why wokeness? i think ben elton approved could be a

stand up comedian without being . and then it all changed life changed. and so that was it. i did right. bought another boat, another wife, and then my manager came in and threw a cassette. the aisle which the bbc to do that. i said, what is it. he said, some rotten show about snooker and that was big break. yeah yeah. and then halfway through big a man came in and said bruce four times gone sick. can you stand in tomorrow and do the generation guy so i did went in and did it guy. so i did went in and did it i wasn't very but it made i wasn't very good but it made bruce better really quick bruce get better really quick but it was that you but it i bet it was that you were actually very good and that was it i did that. and then and then left that well and i thought, well, what am i going to with myself? i still work to do with myself? i still work live a lot, pack places out, but i wanted to be able to produce tv would on formed very tv so i would on formed was very very similar gb news you do very similar to gb news you do the we're very similar the news and we're very similar but do jokes jokes comedy but we do jokes in jokes comedy . you know freddie starr, jethro chubby brown , the people we went chubby brown, the people we went to a mainstream tv i've now got

so i'm a tv mogul but you've got your own you've got your own. so if it all goes wrong. if you get act of thought of one already actually a good i've got a good one and now i wanted to ask you about this yew tree because you wear you in your career when that of operation yew tree, you think , you know, it's really think, you know, it's really funny looking back now went on on stage once when it was all going on to the gym will fix it theme with the gym will fix bad drama the irony of it. oh yeah and i used to do whole routine about it and someone said you want to be careful? they come knocking at your door one day and one day they did. and this was you supposed to go was you were supposed to go on big brother, weren't in the big brother, weren't you in the news? were all camped news? yes, they were all camped outside house, loads of outside my house, all loads of people. what's up on people. i said, what's up on your way? won't you actually too big brother. well, got big brother. well, when got arrested but were arrested i was, but they were all house for ages all outside my house for ages and didn't understand what i and i didn't understand what i remember coming around the corner. i'd come back from the co—op live co—op and there was a live tv there. shame of it all.

there. oh, the shame of it all. the co—op bag in a boy he called me, waitrose bag and. me, pulled out waitrose bag and. i'm back at it as laugh i'm looking back at it as laugh but it was quite i thought it was a deal it was all was a done deal it was all a little bit silly. freddie had been a few other been arrested. a few other people been arrested with people had been arrested with they can't get me, and then suddenly was arrested at and suddenly i was arrested at and the never the policeman said, i'll never forget cheer up, jim. it's forget this. cheer up, jim. it's not he's underage sex. oh, not as if he's underage sex. oh, i okay, then i did it. i said, okay, then i did it. yeah. and that was it. and i had a load of accusations , me and my a load of accusations, me and my lawyers, henry trevor, bert qc , lawyers, henry trevor, bert qc, went and got all the evidence and gave it to the police and they changed couple. they changed the couple of stories. 0h changed the couple of stories. oh they, he's proved that wrong. so you better another story they did proved that wrong as did that proved that wrong as well. basically well. and they basically said, jim, going to be any jim, there's not going to be any more action. further action. more action. no further action. it was a bit scary because i thought it was a done deal and i thought it was a done deal and i thought that the public although there's without there's one say, oh, no without fire i thought the public thought enough. you thought enough is enough. you know jim, you know now. no, no know, jim, you know now. no, no

and never had the need to do that. and never had the need to do that . didn't and never had the need to do that. didn't think i was quite thin nice. and of course you weren't daunted at all. and then i wasn't charged with anything and people said, should you should sue the police not the police for doing their job. yeah police for doing their job. yeah police a good job because a police did a good job because a lot when they get lot of people when they get through sort of situation through that sort of situation kind of destroys their life because it has the potential because it, it has the potential of life. doesn't kind of your life. doesn't that kind of your life. doesn't that kind of investigate me a bit of investigate change me a bit about sort become a bit about i've sort of become a bit logical especially the logical especially with the argument say argument and if you say something then you say something to me and then you say you said this, i didn't say so. i don't like being accused of something. i'm there. something. i'm done there. that's not stomach up that's really not me. stomach up a nobody likes that for a bit. you nobody likes that for me. accused of something me. i'm not accused of something i done.so me. i'm not accused of something i done. so now you've i haven't done. so now you've done all this and you did you imagine that you're we attitude would big? mean, would be this big? i mean, you've told dad when i when you've told my dad when i when i when i my the picture when i was my the picture looked. oh, jim davidson. no he loved you. my dad loves you. well, not granddad. well, this is not your granddad. people now. oh son. people come up now. oh son. my arm my dad . oh, in your arm for my dad. oh, in your mind, though. what do you think? do you think? wow, i. you have

achieved so much. yeah achieved thing in different lumps of stuff you know i did well as a little young stand—up comic. i was quite good, but then i was quite good on the television as a comedian , then as the game a comedian, then as the game show host. quite enjoyed that. i really loved the generation game. yeah, because didn't game. yeah, because i didn't have on and swear and be have to go on and swear and be horrible. i could just go on and laugh and then course after that, to work live that, continuing to work live like statesman stage like the old statesman stage selling and selling out everywhere. and of course so i've course now ustream tv so i've had it all in chunks i had a wife to sue you have you five wives now so far but the latest one to be with you for quite some time so again she's been with you for a while they this girl? yeah. this go on with what's her name? come on, michelle. yeah. you've met. yeah, yeah, yeah. i've with her for life sentence now for about a life sentence now actually lovely . she is actually she's lovely. she is lovely. yeah, she's. you've found somebody. she is. yeah. she mad about me. she loves me. jemmy watch in this now. hello michelle. sharpening up the knives and the chainsaw . are you

knives and the chainsaw. are you afraid once they say that, what do they do freemasons? you know . well, i became a freemason. exactly what you say ? what's in exactly what you say? what's in them? what's in them? briefcases what's in there? what you got in there? i think what you do, i, i think freemasonry , the one thing think freemasonry, the one thing you don't do is sit around and help each other out, right. you don't do you help each other to become a better. you know, i've always said when i've met prince charles or king charles now whenever i've left him, he's made to be better made me want to be a better person. and whenever i've been a freemasons all freemasons meeting and it's all fitual freemasons meeting and it's all ritual always a very christian type , jewish thing and, you type, jewish type thing and, you always tend to think, i want to be a better person there, i want to fit in, i want to stop me. what do you think now that when you look at comedy like for me, i loved little britain. i thought it was fantastic. the job i loved. did you like i got to know. i thought it was like kids trying to do it. oh was funny. come on. it was, you

know, that sort of comedy is what david walliams. well, the real bogeyman was. was fun, though. oh david. david in though. oh david. who's david in the i didn't. didn't the village? i didn't. didn't any oh, my god, no . i any of it. oh, my god, no. i watched a bit of it and i thought now is not for me. you know, i'm old. i'm 70 years of age. this is i look at you. yeah, i know, i know. we yeah, i know, i know. but we should with young kids. should team up with young kids. what do you think about comedy now in the direction it's going this? censoring , the this? yeah, the censoring, the sense this woke two of my sense that this woke two of my favourite comedians are in this building now. there's i'm thinking and what's his name two of them memorable over here. yeah doily and capoeira . oh yeah doily and capoeira. oh okay. yeah they'll be on later on when they they will be there with free speech nation. yeah yeah. the young comedians, i think, are all a little bit like schoolboys having a go at it. we've just a show called proper comedian , and that's some of the comedian, and that's some of the old school guys there. i mean, really old jemmy jones was 85 and some of the young who struggled a bit,

and some of the young who struggled a bit , they're okay in struggled a bit, they're okay in their own right. everyone has their own right. everyone has their you know, they their audience. i don't entertain british troops anymore because they're all 18, 19, 20 years of age. what they want to see an old man for they want to see young people they to see those young people they to see those young comics in the jumpers, the trainers. know, every trainers. you know, every every era their own sense of era has their own sense of humour. you laugh humour. who makes you laugh apart from me? you but you still make me laugh. so, yeah , make me make me laugh. so, yeah, make me laugh. i can't stand things mrs. brown's boys that does my head in not a lover of the hey in i'm not a lover of the hey why is a bit part of the eat my own teeth but yeah i it's difficult to comedians these days because a lot of it's been so sanitised . it's no longer so sanitised. it's no longer that funny . but yeah, i mean, that funny. but yeah, i mean, i was a fan of fawlty towers, all that kind of stuff when i was younger. yeah, i was a fan of all that. it was a bit university and monty python was a university, but a bit university, but groundbreaking. didn't want groundbreaking. i didn't want to be i used be groundbreaking. i just used to in front of to see those people in front of me and i i'm going to me and i thought, i'm going to make more than you've ever make laugh more than you've ever laughed before. and that's why i still to i don't think

still trying to i don't think any in right sets any comedian in their right sets out offend. no i think out to offend. no i think offence taken than offence is taken rather than given some set . come offence is taken rather than given some set. come on given some people set. come on and me. oh you said that. and offend me. oh you said that. you know you said that. is you know what you said that. is it this. yeah think you should be able say what you want. be able to say what you want. really with it within certain . i really with it within certain. i think you ought to edit yourself . there is. there is a way that you think if i say this is going to upset so talk to me to upset someone. so talk to me about because about ustream then because is the thing you're doing the big thing that you're doing at moment which started with at the moment which started with me in the back me in a camcorder in the back garden during lockdown i was so bored i just ranting and raving about so watch your about the news so i'd watch your show, then i'd and the show, then i'd go and take the mickey it. so i did what mickey out of it. so i did what you want do with some of the ways. ridiculous. you do it ways. so ridiculous. you do it sometimes. i've seen you do this this. you don't the script this. you don't think the script or makes itself up and then or it makes itself up and then and robert garofalo and my mate robert garofalo decided , well, put a we'll decided, well, we'll put a we'll put it out and see if we get subscribers we had 3000 subscribers we had 3000 subscribers in the first three months. then i'll tell you what we do. well, i've a proper tv show, so now we're on an app you

can us on the mobile phone can get us on the mobile phone on the thing within by the on the thing and within by the end this week be on all end of this week we'll be on all the television as with the ustream people have ustream app. so when people have finished watching which finished watching gb news, which we have on all the time at home, ihave we have on all the time at home, i have to tell you that specially when you get at it. my granddad loves you. oh really. and yeah. and so that's it. you can flick over, see a little bit of comedy. well listen to i should be watching anyway. should be watching that anyway. good day i'll be on good maybe one day i'll be on it. yeah got to read what it. yeah i've got to read what you really written about me, handsome old chap. well, that would do in that . yeah. well, would do in that. yeah. well, tim thank so much . tim davison, thank you so much. thank you. i'm going to go and see scott right lovely. see scott right now. lovely. thank much. that, of thank you so much. that, of course, the incredible. course, is the incredible. and he's comedian. a tv he's a comedian. he's a tv personality. is a legend . if personality. he is a legend. if you join me, welcome. it's you just join me, welcome. it's up to 24 minutes after 5:00. this is gb views. coming up, it is the great british debate this houn is the great british debate this hour. asking, hydrogen hour. i'm asking, is hydrogen the forward with the right way forward with energy secretary grant shapps criticism from his fellow tories due to planned hydrogen levy is . now really the time to be

focusing on those net zero goals that's on the way after this .

it is 27 minutes after 5:00. this is gds. we are the people's channel i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital . live on tv, online and on digital. right. and it's time now for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is hydrogen really the right way forward ? energy secretary grant forward? energy secretary grant shapps faced criticism from shapps has faced criticism from his fellow tories due to a planned hydrogen levy . now the planned hydrogen levy. now the planned hydrogen levy. now the plan actually in line with plan is actually in line with the government's current net zero strategy to reduce the uk's carbon emissions to zero by 2050. now this levy would be in addition to the current green levy, which adds right about 8% to energy bills in order to fund energy efficient schemes . and energy efficient schemes. and the idea of using hydrogen to propel the uk into net zero is

actually faced quite a bit of criticism, especially when it comes to spending a large of money pursuing zero carbon emissions during a cost of living crisis. so the great british debate hour i'm asking is hydrogen the way forward . is hydrogen the way forward. well i'm joined now by former executive energy energy uk , the executive energy energy uk, the knight and director of cop26 lois parry. well, i can start with angela. angela. so hydrogen talk, is it a good energy and why is that great pursuit towards it ? well, hutchins towards it? well, hutchins scott, it's part play. there's no two ways about it. hydrogen already used quite extensively in pharmaceutical industries, for example or petrochemical industries . and so to look to industries. and so to look to use hydrogen or indeed produce in a cleaner way than we do at the moment, because now we produce from methane and got a lot of carbon that comes of the back. so to do it other ways through electrolysis of water does make sense . it also is

does make sense. it also is eminently possible to start putting some hydrogen in. for example for the gas made for heating and perhaps one use of hydrogen. it does need some more work done on it is hydrogen powering particularly in lorries but i don't think we should think that this is free or cheap. it's like about everything in this area . it's everything in this area. it's going to cost money. and you know i keep on saying then fine i'm all for any of these initiatives . but the first thing initiatives. but the first thing that needs to be decided is who pays how much and for what. now, if the actual one on the net. sorry, lois . well, i think the sorry, lois. well, i think the answer to that question , the answer to that question, the people that pay , the people that people that pay, the people that pay people that pay, the people that pay are us. you know, hydrogen doesn't naturally it doesn't in nature. it has to be created it's very volatile and it's very corrosive. and the only way that it can actually be stabilised ,

it can actually be stabilised, bizarrely, if you put it onto the grid for use in gas boilers would you've been converted is to actually gas which is a completely pointless exercise the amount of energy used to create hydrogen is actually the same as what you out of it or in factit same as what you out of it or in fact it be a little bit more energy. it's pointless. we have lots , lots of natural gas. we lots, lots of natural gas. we have lots resources all around. but the main that i'm concerned about with this is just to know the rocket it we've got low devon been talked about in the daily telegraph in the telegraph today about the questions over him advising government on zero laws and then advising investors in terms of subsidies and in terms of renewable was where to put their money. sure there's some sort of thing going on that's not right. that has to be looked at. well, i mean, obviously that's he's not defend himself and that is all that is to speculate . so we can't really to speculate. so we can't really you call it verify that you know you call it verify that thatis you know you call it verify that that is it. but you know some people would look at that think

it like there's a lot it does feel like there's a lot of money about for lots of money knocking about for lots of money knocking about for lots of sort of almost of these sort of almost harebrained yeah. harebrained schemes. yeah. is lois in andrew, lois correct in saying, andrew, that hydrogen you put it that hydrogen when you put it in, get very little out of in, you get very little out of it. have to put same it. you have to put the same amount of energy to get little more in terms of return, is that correct? it rather depends how you absolutely you look at it mean absolutely correct . you say, right, i'm not correct. you say, right, i'm not going to create hydrogen. i'm going to create hydrogen. i'm going to create hydrogen. i'm going to use methane to do , going to use methane to do, whereas otherwise i would have been using that methane, that natural gas in a boiler. then the answer yes. but if we some parts of the country and let's let's have a go at scotland types where they've got an awful lot of wind and sometimes you know that is producing electricity which is needed so is happening then is those windmills are being switched off now if you catch them running and you use the surplus electricity to allow for the

electrolysis of water which gives you hydrogen and then you stored the hydrogen , then you're stored the hydrogen, then you're into a different sort system. we are substantially away from getting there. what are they doing ? is that some of these doing? is that some of these expert mental processes need to be properly looked and in conjunction with major use , conjunction with major use, major parts of the industrial firmament because they can actually both to the payment of it as well as testability . but it as well as testability. but but isn't that the that i agree with everything you've said but isn't the whole argument really that this is completely pointless because we should be using our own gas which is the absolute best and most energy efficient way to use energy to create energy and to create electricity . when i interviewed electricity. when i interviewed lee anderson for my youtube channel cartoon six youtube

channel cartoon six youtube channel recently, he said that he was very concerned and that the civil service could be, you know , it could be holding us know, it could be holding us back in of our energy independence because they might have relationships with , have relationships with, renewable companies. why aren't we fracking? why are we subsidise i saying all these you know , quite rightly harebrained know, quite rightly harebrained schemes a good way of describing it , which is schemes a good way of describing it, which is why are we using our gas ? it's ridiculous . it's our gas? it's ridiculous. it's not worth the rest of you know. there is even 10 seconds to go. so, angela, your thoughts briefly. yes you see, that's easy.i briefly. yes you see, that's easy. i would i would run a proper fracking experiment as well. i use the word experiment simply because know not me something small, but to mean something small, but to mean something that's done under proper controlled manner because of fracking with sitting on the gas , whether or not we can get gas, whether or not we can get it out sensibly, i do not know. okay okay. but too much happens in this. we actually finding out what can be done very hydrogen, though, is it is it a goer? yes.

or no? a hydrogen is a goer on the certain surface answers to certain uses putting in the gas man is not something i would do. and lowest temperature checks put in there onto our energy bills in this time where people are choosing between heating and eating immoral and vile, eating is immoral and vile, i think it's disgusting . all think it's disgusting. all right. thank you very much, the two of you, your thoughts. two of you, for your thoughts. thank very angela thank you very much, angela knight. chief knight. she's the chief executive uk and also executive energy uk and also lewis she's director lewis parry. she's the director of a 26. so if you just joined me welcome this is tv news on tv onune me welcome this is tv news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm a where we'll continue our great british debate this hour. i'm asking is hydrogen the right way forward? hear the thoughts of my panel forward? hear the thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton, danny, kelly. but let's danny, kelly. but first, let's get news headlines get your latest news headlines headunes. get your latest news headlines headlines . bethany elsey with headlines. bethany elsey with your top stories. headlines. bethany elsey with your top stories . the headlines. bethany elsey with your top stories. the gb newsroom, the un aid chief says people in north west syria have been failed and abandoned after a major earthquake hit on

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radio. i'm not a square. it's time now for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is hydrogen the right way forward in the energy sector? grant shapps the faced with due a planned with fellow tories due a planned hydrogen levy. now the plan is in line with the government's current net zero strategy, and this levy would be in addition. yes, more money, more taxes . so yes, more money, more taxes. so the current green levy which adds around about 8% that current levy already adds 8% to energy bills. that's order to fund energy efficient schemes. so the great british debate hour i'm asking is hydrogen the way forward. can you stomach yet another levy? let's see what my panel make of that. also, i, christine hamilton. let's broadcaster and journalist and stomach this can you stomach that. stomach this can you stomach that . i'm a stomach this can you stomach that. i'm a sucker for politicians. well i'll start . i politicians. well i'll start. i agree with lois. i think an unnecessary tax. i we're already struggling with our energy bills. i really believe that there should be a referendum on,

what, 2050 looks like. and how we got the i know boris johnson said in the 2009 two manifesto that this was his ambition of this. okay. so people and it was on the ballot paper of it was you know 2050 and all of that but now we know what it's going to look like now we know how costly it's going to be. now we know about the ukrainian war pushing up and now we pushing up energy and now we know with inflation are know that with inflation are skint it would my view that skint and it would my view that we to a moratorium on we need to put a moratorium on all of these future taxes up until a position when inflation is much lower and we're in a much better fiscal position, financial position. millions of people can't afford their energy bills at the moment. never mind putting under the. did you say 8? well it's currently 8. the current 8% on energy current levy is 8% on energy bills so would be bills already. so this would be more. yeah so my view is. no, no, let's have a referendum on on. let's see if the people not the referendum with the . current the referendum with the. current of this not try to heckle together those . 5248 because we

together those. 5248 because we haven't carried through on the last referendum don't give them any more that we might end up doing a sturgeon and doing another because they get the right answer at the same. well, i didn't realise that the net zero was in the conservative manifesto. knew, right manifesto. i knew, i was right tory, but hadn't realised that tory, but i hadn't realised that that was actually the that that was actually in the manifesto. net zero is an absolute dinosaur should be dead and buried. it's where and buried. it it's crazy where i mean chasing balloons i mean we're chasing balloons it's and green hydrogen it's absurd and green hydrogen is huge great big white elephant we're not ready for it yet we can't afford it. there's got to be so much more research. it's going to cost apparently five times the price of natural gas for people heating their homes. so your bill is for people heating their homes. so your bill i s £500. it's going so your bill is £500. it's going to be two a half thousand. to be two and a half thousand. it's to be two times the it's going to be two times the price of instead of petrol for your car. i mean it is ludicrous to put a levy everybody now when we struggling like there's we are struggling like there's no tomorrow yesterday to no tomorrow or now yesterday to pay etcetera etcetera , why pay bills etcetera etcetera, why put a levy on that now ? absolute put a levy on that now? absolute madness. cancel net zero and let's get back to a of

normality. they might argue that we afford not to do it because the way the earth is and the planet will apparently, you know, i don't know what will because that's what the argument will be, that we can't actually afford not to do this, not the kind certainly afford not kind we can certainly afford not to on struggling to put a levy on struggling people right now . can it people right now. we can put it in five years time or whatever. but do it now, people are in but to do it now, people are in the middle of of living the middle of a cost of living crashing crisis. let's get inflation. concentrate on inflation. let's concentrate on the matter here the things that matter the here and chase this and now instead of chase this green hydrogen . well, i mean, i green hydrogen. well, i mean, i think this would be in a little time , so. but danny well, only time, so. but danny well, only two years what's difficult again to stomach is the fact that penny hungry? danny i've got penny you hungry? danny i've got a about talking about a story about talking about food. what's this ? well, it's food. what's this? well, it's difficult for people to stomach . i think it's so understandable. but when we are responsible for 1% of the carbon footprints on a global stage. well, that's slightly disingenuous. we actually bought it we bought it china and it then? we bought it china and that that the figure is 1% that's what people this is not okay well let's just go with it

for a second. okay. there are people thinking what on earth, why am being punished punitive why am i being punished punitive financially are financially when we are responsible for all but 99% of global emissions? we're a tiny yes. we gave the world the revolution and people punishing us for. that's why i want to go back and say, okay, politicians this is what it looks like. 2050. d0 this is what it looks like. 2050. do you want it? yes or no? and also other countries who are not developed as we they're not developed as we are, they're not developed as we are, they're not going want to hold back. not going to want to hold back. i don't think they want to say, oh, goodness, because of the oh, my goodness, because of the because environment, we're because the environment, we're not to develop the not going to want to develop the way that. course, it's absurd way that. of course, it's absurd well we're a well we is we're fighting a losing that and why losing on all that and why should british be pummelled losing on all that and why sho anotherbritish be pummelled losing on all that and why sho another levy h be pummelled losing on all that and why sho another levy on e pummelled losing on all that and why sho another levy on energy nelled losing on all that and why sho another levy on energy when yet another levy on energy when it's going to make it not a heap of difference? well, i hate it does feel a bit of an ideological that doesn't actually the actual actually count the actual reality of living and getting to that goal which i don't think that goal which i don't think that of the government understands . they don't believe understands. they don't believe in it. they don't live it. they don't. governed mr. or don't. we governed by mr. or mrs. you know, we've got

mrs. davos, you know, we've got one number 10 and one at number 11. know, i went out to sing 11. you know, i went out to sing and i asked john redwood, i said he be chance. i think he he should be chance. i think he was you should was great friend. you should have talking. i did ask have been talking. i did ask him, you know, all the are aware of the effect 35 which of the effect of i'll 35 which is that awful tax people even despite you're not despite the fact you're not actually that your actually an employee that your taxes to taxes though are want to get none of benefits of an none of the benefits of an employee. and i said don't all the are they really understanding effect the understanding the effect of the high interest rates on mortgages and just he and things and he just said he didn't did that didn't think they did that again. think and think he's again. i think and i think he's i think they get it but i don't think they get it but this is nothing without you and your views let's welcome some of our great this is your our great voices. this is your opportunity on show opportunity to be on the show and you really and tell us what you really about the topics when discussing and i got two of them. joining me now two others dropped at me now two others dropped out at the they should be the last minute. they should be punished, got punished, but first, i've got jacqui there in. jacqui sampson. he's there in. so, jacqui, do you think so, jacqui, what do you think about this hydrogen, is it the right way do we have right way forward? do we have government the right of government got the right way of thinking? well, think they thinking? well, i think they can't get the things can't even get the things we've got effectively. we're

got effectively. i mean, we're not area . and not even nation area. and there's big debate about there's a big debate about there aren't chargers , the aren't enough chargers, the electric they don't want electric cars, they don't want them. so the other thing that i think is a bit of a worry is being told what to do and having tax imposed upon me by the kind of people flying around in private to have these needs and do these deals, i think is and i think they need to sort out we've got here and do it better. and thank you very much for that very succinctly put as well. alan mcnally, you're there in grimsby. what do you think they're doing, love , they're doing, love, experimentation to see if it's any for having this vehicle. is this possibly good time to end it there? but this idea that the british are going to pass another green levy , i'm still another green levy, i'm still waiting for a cup of green loving vat on fuel in lower field. do they they look after you? sell them they go the can't even get organised now the things that we need gather organised so we're just going to

get hammered again for absolutely nothing in hydrogen to rhine that's used a lots of things fertilise or petroleum making fuel cells that's used it has use but it's phenomenal to produce for every tonne of hydrogen you get ten tonnes of c02 . to hydrogen you get ten tonnes of co2 . to the experiment with us co2. to the experiment with us as blue hydrogen to see if they can make it cleaner. well yes, come back in 50 years time and they might have got the answer, but why should we pay for it now? well, well, you know, that's the thing. it they can't even organise in brewery. thank you very much. i didn't say it. jack in harvard said that and ingrid's lovely to talk ingrid's be lovely to talk to you both. are my great you both. those are my great british let's move on to british voices. let's move on to another story that caught eye today. when we strike union leader lynch says leader mick lynch says that members the national union of members of the national union of rail maritime and workers rail or maritime and workers will be balloted more for further strike action after it rejected the latest pay . and rejected the latest pay. and with more strike action most

likely on the cards. is it time for the rmt to just accept the offer on the table ? danny and offer on the table? danny and christine join me now . wonder christine join me now. wonder what the offer was. i think the offer was 9% of the share for next year and i think they were thrown 70 quid but the most poorly union members, i love it to end. i admire mick lynch tenacity. i don't what he's doing. christine no, i didn't. you winced , smiled. you. you're you winced, smiled. you. you're the twin of mick lynch you of the twin of mick lynch you of the while were the one those closer to the food. i do i my wrists nasty. i hope now the rmt union members take offer and i'm looking forward seeing the results of the ballot. what do you think of it? i smiled, actually i mean, of course you admire his tenacity, but that doing isn't he's doing his job, isn't he? he's doing his job, isn't he? he's doing his job representing his members. but unless government gets on strikes, gets a grip on strikes, they have lost the may elections, they're probably going to lose most elections in may most of the elections in may anyway . but strikes is a anyway. but i think strikes is a really big issue for. people, whether trains or nhs or

whether it's trains or nhs or teachers or whoever it impacts on people's lives and they expect the government to sort this out and the government has got to sort it out. yes, i think they should accept this offer. of course, we're coming up to the turn of the. so an offer that's been made for this year is about change because any is about to change because any now going to be in the now we're going to be in the next financial year or whatever it is, march so they've been it is, march so if they've been offered was 5, offered what was it, 5, five this year, yeah. five and this year, 4? yeah. five and four. five and four. yeah. plus a elongation of the time. i think that this i mean, look, i think that this i mean, look, i think this is actually a pact with these unions because think they've others get they've got the others to get in. they've a working in. so they've got a working hand tandem with nursing hand in tandem with the nursing unions. it's because unions. it's really it's because we sympathy the rail we lost sympathy the rail workers so they now need other unions it's workers who we unions and it's workers who we feel more empathy towards create situation in the end, situation so that in the end, hopefully and this what marks hopefully and this is what marks what from the trade unions which called them the what it calls them union leader most of what unhes them union leader most of what unites them. he's the who's in charge of the pcc's the civil

servants union. yeah now he actually specifically stated that he wanted to, they wanted to bring the government down with these strikes. but i think there's the other agenda as well of course course, of course is of course, i absolutely agree with them. it's they've coordinated together well, or unofficially well, officially or unofficially and they be piling on the pressure because they know they've crucial they've got these crucial elections may. if the elections in may. and if the tories do badly , these tories do badly, these elections, a lot of tory, the sort of guys, the growth group or they're called, are or whatever they're called, are going the government going to turn on the government and be turmoil. well and there will be turmoil. well there'll turmoil. the tory there'll be turmoil. the tory party the trade. party just don't take the trade. right. time now for right. it's time now for supplements that's where supplements sunday. that's where my i discuss some of my panel and i discuss some of the stories that caught the news stories that caught their if you tuned in, their eye. if you just tuned in, i'm by author and i'm joined by author and broadcaster hamilton i'm joined by author and broa broadcasting hamilton i'm joined by author and broa broadcasting journalist ton and broadcasting journalist danny kelly. that i will start with because it's all with you because it's all valentine's now valentine's meal. well, now listen, i sent danielle out this morning with my credit card and she was going to go round all day as the marks and to get the valentine mail deals. now let's see. all of them. all three. all three, all in one day. asda, for

example for 12. could get you a bottle of bubbly, a couple of steaks, some chicken parfait and, meal, a movie, and, also a sky meal, a movie, sky movie. now, listen, i don't want to fight you to. no, but i did ask her to get an extra one and we're going see if there's a third person in this. we've i got to i did say, look, we can invite christina for we could invite christina for we could invite nadia of lies this week but if you it goes is complete life similar to then you can buy it but it's such good value steak dinner or champagne or fizzy for 12 nica. besides, the main course is the starter shake . no more, probably. i haven't seen it. well honestly i either reserve judgement . no, no. i'm reserve judgement. no, no. i'm only tell you i'm we don't celebrate valentine's day because we celebrate february the 17th so we won't doing the 17th so we won't be doing anything special. i will be anything special. but i will be going taking advantage of going and taking advantage of the very much just. i will. good. right. well to your supplement about supplement because it's about pensions and life expectancy dropping. it's not so much pensions about pensions rising. no, it's about life expectancy. is life expectancy. this is important to me at my age. life expectancy people. to me expectancy for old people. to me has fallen by two years. in just

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outbreaks of rain as we head into night working. but back into the night working. but back to this and overnight and with some clear spells around for northern western areas we could just see a few patches of mist fog forming. we might see cloudy elsewhere, then we might start , elsewhere, then we might start, see a few clear spells developing in the far southeast towards the hours that could just bring a few of fog. but mild night with all that cloud . mild night with all that cloud. but that could just be a patch of rural frost for northern and eastern areas. so a cloudy start to start the new week though as we head through the day monday that cloud will start lift and break and will bring some sunny spells, particularly as we head into the late morning and the early parts of the afternoon . early parts of the afternoon. temperatures will be once again above average for the of year with highs of 10 to 12 across the south now as we go ahead into monday evening and overnight with a few more in the way of clear spells, it's a greater risk of frost fog. the

greatest chance of seeing fog will be across the southeast . so will be across the southeast. so we've got the lightest winds through monday night, though, there'll be some moving into the west bringing some outbreaks of rain and drizzle and a stronger breeze, too. so a milder night, though, with those clear spells a cooler night in the east and a of seeing a patchy rural frost so into we've got that cloud moving in from the west bringing some outbreaks of and drizzle to the far north and west with the best chance of any spells in the south and east looking through the rest of the week and it'll be generally settled for, many with a few outbreaks of rain towards and temperatures above average . monday thursday on gb average. monday thursday on gb news bev turner today from 10 am. we're going to be here for a.m. we're going to be here for you our gb news family to keep you our gb news family to keep you up to date, but also make you up to date, but also make you smile. the guy went from puberty to and i can't wait to bnng puberty to and i can't wait to bring few of my own opinion. i have no time for cultural totalitarianism. i will engage in passionate but always polite

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