welcome to gloria meets three senior conservative mvp's in this evening's show. first up, a man with a strong christian faith. it's danny kruger. do you feel confident that in our lifetimes , medically assisted lifetimes, medically assisted dying will still not be legal in this country? no, i'm not confident. i've got a great fear that it's going to happen and that it's going to happen and that we will regret it. and it'll be too late to undo it. the government minister who was spiked on night out. it's mims spiked on a night out. it's mims davies. i found a black tablet

in the bottom of a glass . i've in the bottom of a glass. i've been standing a dark part of a ball where the music is sort of to talking somebody, holding it, dnnks to talking somebody, holding it, drinks edges of the drinks on the edges of the chatting . and he's the chair of chatting. and he's the chair of the education select committee. robyn walker liz truss has made her first intervention into the politics debate since leaving office . it's not a helpful office. it's not a helpful intervention . i'm not sure it's intervention. i'm not sure it's a helpful intervention . i think a helpful intervention. i think part of the reason why we are where we are is a certain lack of self—awareness on that front. and i think there's a we have 4000 words over the weekend. i think i think it's about 4000 to many in the current situation. all that after your news . hello all that after your news. hello there . good evening. it's 6:01. there. good evening. it's 6:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb news three. the un aid chief says people in northwest syria have been failed and abandoned after a major earthquake hit on monday. martin

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military readiness. europe today on tv, online and derby plus radio. this is gb news. now, though, it's time for gloria means . means. danny kruger, conservative mp. before that, you were an adviser to prime minister boris johnson . you were elected in 2019. a pleasure to meet you. thank you for having me. so let's talk about faith, which clearly is an important part of your life. can you tell me when faith became an important part of your life? well yes, it was in my twenties. i grew up in a atheist home, but i grew up in a atheist home, but i always felt that wasn't quite adequate and i mean, it's a personal journey everybody makes. but for me, the tipping point, as it were, was reading more christianity by cs. lewis, which is a great apology for the

christian faith. and i all i can say is that i began the book as a as a non—believer, and i ended it as a believer. and that and that was i was 28, i think. and said and i've never doubted it since . and what form does it since. and what form does it take? practical form. you go to church, you pray every day, you read the bible, tell me. yeah, i mean, i'm a practising christian and, you know, i have a personal faith. i think it's important to say. and i think everybody has a faith of some sort or other. everyone has their view of what's going in the world, what's going on in the world, what's going on in the world, what here for. they what we're here for. and they might think there's nothing out there themselves, there except themselves, but that even then, even they bring their values to their life and i think it's important to honour and respect the freedom of religion, which includes the atheist religion, and to say that it's perfectly acceptable and in fact a good thing that we have a diversity of religious views represented in our public life . as long as none of us

life. as long as none of us attempt to impose our views on all of us. and i think that's the always the challenging point when think something is when you think something is right, believe, right, whatever you believe, to be of others. and be respectful of others. and that's the line that we always have to try and walk. okay, let's talk something let's talk about something controversial , which is controversial, which is controversial, which is controversial in a parliamentary debate. you said this . they debate. you said this. they think that women have an absolute right to bodily autonomy in this matter, whereas i think in the case of abortion, that right is qualified by the fact that another body is involved . it was it provoked involved. it was it provoked some outbursts in the commons at the time . how did that make you the time. how did that make you feel ? well, i regret it being feel? well, i regret it being misunderstood, but you know, you've got to own what you say and you got to own the reaction. you can't blame other people for not understanding what you were saying. regulated by saying. abortion is regulated by parliament, not the courts, parliament, not by the courts, which why us had such which is why the us has had such an culture war so an awful culture war for so long. we've regulated through

long. we've regulated it through a going back a parliamentary bill going back to and as result to the 1960s and as a result i think we've got a good balance we can argue about what the terms be for which terms should be for which abortions become acceptable or not, point is something not, but that point is something that parliament regulates. i think it's the right basis of our law . so it about the our law. so it talks about the response in parliament, but did you expect it's hostility in, let's say, real life after you made those ? what? a lot of made those? what? a lot of people were very distressed and i really sympathise and i and i apologise for the distress that i caused. if people have misunderstood what i was saying, as i say, i take responsibility for misunderstanding. for that misunderstanding. i seek and hope that seek to clarify and i hope that satisfied people. yes, there satisfied people. but yes, there was of lot of very was all sorts of a lot of very angry correspondence activity in the media and some people locally making their views felt was a totally right. and that's democracy. and i, in a sense , i democracy. and i, in a sense, i own a restaurant and it's given me an opportunity to engage with a lot of people, actually. so while i regret the distress that i caused, i regret being

misunderstood. and i had no intention of any. let's intention of causing any. let's talk about another area which you are campaigning against, i suppose because there is so it feels like there's an increasing momentum. if you look at opinion polls, if you look at mps and the number of those speaking in favour of medically assisted dying. yeah your mum is pro—life from the great british bake off . she takes a different view to you . so let's let's quote your you. so let's let's quote your mom. i just feel it's my life . mom. i just feel it's my life. and if i want to end it, which i don't, by the way, i'm really keen on my life, but i would like to have the option. what's wrong with your point of view from your mum? well so mum and i have made a film which is being broadcast this week in fact, and in which we went around north america. so canada and i'm an american states where they've legislated for assisted dying. and i'm afraid those examples.

so the counterargument to her point i obviously point and i obviously i completely respect the idea that no way of no should get in the way of somebody who has who wants to end their life. but actually, thatis end their life. but actually, that is we do. you know, if that is what we do. you know, if somebody's on a cliff somebody's standing on a cliff edge on bridge to edge or on a bridge trying to throw we do try throw themselves off, we do try and them. we don't say it's and stop them. we don't say it's your absolute autonomy to end your absolute autonomy to end your we that it's your life. we think that it's a bad move to commit suicide. her point are people point is that there are people in terrible physical distress and pain the end of life who and pain at the end of life who should be allowed to have a doctor administer lethal drugs to i think i totally to them. i think while i totally understand in the cases, in understand it, in the cases, in those it's impossible to those cases, it's impossible to draw wouldn't also draw a line that wouldn't also mean that we put at risk many vulnerable people the mentally ill , the disabled, lonely , ill, the disabled, the lonely, the people who are terrified because they've just had a terrible diagnosis. because they've just had a terrible diagnosis . and that's terrible diagnosis. and that's the from canada and the evidence from canada and elsewhere that you find many vulnerable people being drawn into an assisted death when their families look back and say, why did that happen? it should not have happened. and we know who feel know that people who might feel suicidal and they have a

diagnosis a few months ago and once they receive the that once they receive the care that they need, change their mind. and it would be too late if we'd allowed to kill themselves allowed them to kill themselves and anxiety and the and finally, the anxiety and the terrible legitimate fear that we all have about a physical about physical agony at the end does not to happen . we are now not have to happen. we are now so advanced with what's so well advanced with what's called care, end of called palliative care, end of life care. people should not be dying in physical, terrible physical . and what we need physical agony. and what we need to doing putting our to be doing is putting all our political energy much more political energy and much more pubuc political energy and much more public into palliative public money into palliative care government care and the government has now legislated an nhs legislated to make it an nhs service the first time. service for the first time. that's progress in my view, and that's where we should be putting energy . i mentioned putting our energy. i mentioned that seems to be going that momentum seems to be going in the opposite direction. do you think it's possible to hold that momentum? what can you do to hold so i think it's true to hold it? so i think it's true and, you know, there is a tide in our culture which is increasingly about individual choice as if that's choice and freedom, as if that's the value that have and the only value that we have and that irrelevant what, you that it's irrelevant what, you know, obligations you know, wider obligations you have, all people to have, all that people have to you. that trend. i

you. i regret that trend. i think it's too harmful to our society to say that the only thing that matters is individual choice and freedom, if we're choice and freedom, as if we're not beings, but yes, it not social beings, but yes, it is true to say the tide is running against us on this topic. but just for now, it is andifs topic. but just for now, it is and it's frankly, it's been running against 100 running against us for 100 years. always that years. polls always show that people if you ask them people you know, if you ask them the should be the question, should people be allowed an assisted allowed to have an assisted death they're in terrible death when they're in terrible physical yet yes, people physical yet then yes, people say but every time it say they do. but every time it comes parliament and was comes to parliament and it was in parliament in in for parliament parliament in your every time it your day, gloria, every time it comes, parliament votes against it, the more people comes, parliament votes against it, aboutthe more people comes, parliament votes against it, about it,e more people comes, parliament votes against it, about it, there people comes, parliament votes against it, about it, the more)ple comes, parliament votes against it, about it, the more they think about it, the more they actually study the topic and think about the implications of what doing here. the what we might be doing here. the more understand more they understand what it actually more actually means, then, the more they change their mind. and i think that's the same. in fact, i know the same for the i know it's the same for the general there's a general public. there's a high yes, it. you know, yes, i believe in it. you know, the headline poll. if you the headline poll. but if you actually presented what it actually presented them what it means, law would means, what the law would involve including as in these involve, including as in these other countries where it's other countries where where it's legal people with anorexia and eating disorders , mentally eating disorders, the mentally

ill qualified and getting ill being qualified and getting an assisted death or euthanasia of children getting it. the implication of what we're talking extreme that talking about is so extreme that when present these to people when you present these to people , they think, hang on, maybe there's a problem principle , they think, hang on, maybe therethe problem principle , they think, hang on, maybe therethe state.em principle , they think, hang on, maybe therethe state deciding nciple , they think, hang on, maybe therethe state deciding that .e with the state deciding that somebody's life is they'd be better off dead. and i think thatis better off dead. and i think that is a realisation that people will get once the evidence is presented to them. do you feel confident that in our lifetimes , medically our lifetimes, medically assisted dying will still not be legal in this country? no, i'm not confident. i've got a great fear that it's going to happen and that we will regret it and it'll be true later on. do it, which is, i think, what's happening in canada . which is, i think, what's happening in canada. i do which is, i think, what's happening in canada . i do urge happening in canada. i do urge anybody interested in this and study what's happening in canada. it's a very simple problem. what you can see is the right some group. you right to some defined group. you know, people at the end of life, the so—called safeguards to stop anybody getting all anybody else getting it. all you're erecting you're doing is erecting a barrier to a human right that has steadily eroded. and that's what country . what happens in every country. so you just don't start because

it's the and it's fine for the wealthy and they and the people they autonomous and the people who totally mind loving who totally sound, mind loving family them who support family around them who support their decision , no question their decision, no question about money. you know, you can see it's fine for them, but these these disabled , lonely , these these disabled, lonely, you know, vulnerable , you know, vulnerable, marginalised people who are the victims of this in other countries, we have those too, i'm afraid there's the people i worry about. so you're doing this documentary, which is going to this week with your mom when you're around at your mum's or she's round at yours. you're around at your mum's or she's round at yours . and i know she's round at yours. and i know if you have a glass of wine together or you're having dinner together or you're having dinner together or you're having dinner together or whatever , do you end together or whatever, do you end up talking with it? yeah we know we i mean, not we don't we do. i mean, not we don't argue badly. i mean, this has been a we've had this conversation having this conversation been having this conversation been having this conversation and conversation for years and years. she's completely impossible. her impossible. she won't change her mind in spite of all my all the obvious evidence that she's very committed to as i am, i am. but, you know, and i think the documentary shows this is possible to disagree. well, on

this all these matters, you this and all these matters, you know, these difficult know, all these difficult questions part of the reason questions and part of the reason we did it was to show that, you know, think both think the know, i think we both think the more think about the more people think about it, the more people think about it, the more agree with with our more they agree with with our side. right side. because i'm right about that. because people that. because the more people think the more they think about it, the more they don't assisted but don't like assisted dying. but she'd she wants that she'd like that. she wants that to momentum for for this to be momentum for the for this campaign. i want people to think about it properly. so we thought it idea, but it's it was a good idea, but it's also a idea to have the also a good idea to have the opportunity to people opportunity to show people disagree. which we disagree. well which which we need more of in our in our country. so to ask you country. so just to ask you about working for prime minister bofis about working for prime minister boris johnson you were boris johnson before you were elected in 2019, you would obviously have worked with dominic cummings, his chief aide . they would suspect tacular falling out of two people who were so closely together . could were so closely together. could you see that coming? well, so i worked with him up to 2019 when they were getting along. didn't i wasn't there for the first trip. wasn't enough. it was all

harmonious. when you. so i mean, i'm a very friend of dom and i'm a very old friend of dom and i'm a very old friend of dom and i'm a very old friend of dom and i'm a huge admirer of boris as well. i think it's a great well. so i think it's a great tragedy they out tragedy that they fell out because them together because the two of them together were a great combination. dom has the strategic vision and as well as the ability to really get into the tactics of what's needed for a for a political battle as he's obviously proved time and again. and boris has the courage and the charisma and again, the vision to do what's necessary and dom always says only boris could have broken the logjam . parnham as a whole was logjam. parnham as a whole was against us. you know, boris was prepared to blast through that , prepared to blast through that, that logjam, and with dom helping set the strategy. so they were very powerful duo, the problem, as i understand it, from the outside, it obviously covid presented all kinds of strains on the government, but the great regret that i share with dom cummings about this, about the boris johnson government is that there was a two point plan to brexit. the

first was to get out of the eu and then the second thing was to use our brexit freedoms to reform the british state to take a profound reform to the way whitehall works and the way we are governed to empower local people to strip out the quangos and the bureaucracy, to restore parliamentary sovereignty in fat and to ensure that people could genuinely take back control of their country, which is about more than getting out of the eu. and that's what people and i think that's what people were voting for. they were voting for a wholesale change, were voting for. they were votijust)r a wholesale change, were voting for. they were votijust withiniolesale change, were voting for. they were votijust within brussels.1ange, not just within brussels. they don't london and whitehall don't like london and whitehall ehhen don't like london and whitehall either, as you know. and it was that stage i feel we that second stage that i feel we have fully delivered. that's have yet fully delivered. that's our mission and that's what dom and boris were, i think put into power to do in 2019. they delivered half of it, which was the brexit, but the second half, which is the domestic reform, obviously other things have happenedin obviously other things have happened in in public life in the last couple of years, but that but the need for that hasn't gone away. and that's what we need to now. you what we need to do now. you know, johnson better than know, boris johnson better than most us. do you think we'll

most of us. do you think we'll see him in a front line political role again? geopolitical question. i don't know. i don't know if we will or if we should. i think the decision for boris is he going to i mean, as i say, i think that what the country needs and whether this is boris is rishi or somebody else, what we need to do is to reform the way we are governed to and put power in the hands of local people and support families and make brexit real by getting back control of our borders. all of these really challenging and strategic changes. if boris commits to doing that, then i would be delighted because he brings so much. he's got all the courage and all the charisma that we need our leaders, whether need and our leaders, whether he's prepared to do the policy work we need, is work that i think we need, is the question haven't yet. he the question we haven't yet. he wasn't answer because he wasn't able to answer because he got derailed by covid. but he's a great man. you he is a great man. you know, he is a historic will always historic figure who will always be a key part of the tory story. and i'd love to see him back in some in some way. final

question, which just came to me as we've been chatting actually , we've just had what i think is a really interesting conversation about some controversial issues. but i know you've articulated why you hold those views in a very calm and considered way . do you those views in a very calm and considered way. do you think being a man of faith will hold you back in terms of promotion? maybe you want to take it away from you personally, but is it more difficult to hold those positions and move up the ministerial career ? so you tell ministerial career? so you tell me, ignore it, maybe. yes. i mean, on the face of it, yes, i think it is. i mean, you know , think it is. i mean, you know, we are naturally religious people and we want people who share our religion. you know, we like working with them, frankly, even though we talk about diversity . and got to hold diversity. and we've got to hold onto importance onto the importance of diversity. as i saying diversity. as i was saying earlier, religion earlier, you know, the religion of country, culture at of our country, our culture at the i'm afraid, is the moment, i'm afraid, is liberal, ism. you liberal, individual ism. you know, not christianity . so know, it's not christianity. so i'm of that , you know, i'm not part of that, you know, governing faith of country

governing faith of our country at the moment. so governing faith of our country at the moment . so that governing faith of our country at the moment. so that is probably a disadvantage to me. on the other hand , i hope people on the other hand, i hope people might see as long as he's not trying to impose his weird christian views on me , then christian views on me, then i could admire the fact that he's got some beliefs and some values, which actually i of values, which actually i kind of like because about like because they're about kindness, about, you kindness, they're about, you know, forgiveness , tolerance, know, forgiveness, tolerance, and they're also about these institutions of family , institutions of family, neighbourhood, nation, the things that that i think are important and people might think, well, somebody who actually has some beliefs, even if they're unpopular and unfashionable and isn't afraid of them , maybe should be, should of them, maybe should be, should be, listen to. but yeah, i think i mean , you know, on the face of i mean, you know, on the face of it, i would probably think it's more of a disadvantage to be a christian in public life . that christian in public life. that said, and parliament is said, politics and parliament is a perfectly tolerant place. i have no no had no grief from anybody who disagrees with me on this. and i think they think i'm eccentric rather than bad . that eccentric rather than bad. that was one of the most engaging

political chats i've had right ? political chats i've had right? it was it was really interesting . it was really nice to meet you. diane kruger. thank you. thank you . coming up, mims thank you. coming up, mims davis, we ended up, you thank you. coming up, mims davis, we ended up , you know, davis, we ended up, you know, really struggling lose losing a house, being on benefits and you know, going back to square one. robin walker, we ought to become a genuinely sad, equal opportunities workplace that does mean supporting people to be able continue with their be able to continue with their role do parenting at the role and do parenting at the same time. and it shouldn't be a choice that you have to give up spending time your children spending time with your children in to play your in .

politics mr. davis elected as a conservative mp in 2015, you've had various ministerial posts already in that time . i want to already in that time. i want to

start by talking to you about the night you were spiked. i just keen to build a picture . just keen to build a picture. when was that? what sort of venue were you in? who were you with ? well, i was on an ordinary with? well, i was on an ordinary night out, and i think that's what happens for many people . what happens for many people. it's only when they look back and piece things together, they realise something untoward has happened. realise something untoward has happened . that she had two happened. that she had two incidents, but the main one most recently i spoke about , and it recently i spoke about, and it was at the end of an interview just like this because spiking was in the news and i happened to , you know, say something to, you know, say something about it and i'm so pleased i did because i've had people from up and down the country of all different ages, backgrounds , different ages, backgrounds, either it's happened to their children it's happened to children or it's happened to them couple. i economic them as a couple. i can economic crime , but for me i found crime, but for me i found a black tablet in the bottom of a glass . i'd black tablet in the bottom of a glass. i'd been standing a dark part of a ball where there was music. you sort of talking to somebody, holding drinks somebody, holding a drinks on the edges chatting . and i the edges of the chatting. and i happened to go out into the

light, park the ball and find something in the bottom of my glass. oh, what's that? and threw it away. and was only threw it away. and it was only afterwards . and i tasted art, afterwards. and i tasted art, taste . i would change my glass taste. i would change my glass and it was about 10 minutes later, something clicked and i thought, oh my goodness, what was so we tried find was that? so we tried to find it. we couldn't. but a few years before total out and before i total blacked out and had a totally different experience , which i look back experience, which i look back now and had to be carried home and i look back now and realise were two different events and in fact talking to one of the reporters who came discuss it reporters who came to discuss it with me, she said, i've had one of those nights i've never been able to piece it together. and it's all almost like when women start talk about you start to talk about it, you realise what danger you could have in and that's what have been in and that's what happened to me and i would urge anybody who's have any kind of experience like this, go to the place . above all, if you see place. above all, if you see something in your course that you're not expecting , do not you're not expecting, do not just took it away and think nothing of which i did, nothing of it, which i did, which meant couldn't check

which meant we couldn't check what it was, etc. but thank you to everyone who's come forward and shared their experience with me. and i was recently, you know , supporting many colleagues from the house at the from across the house at the debate on this. and i think there's still work to do in this area. so you said twice it happened to you. yes tell me about the years that it happened. well, yeah, one was yes. ago with my previous partner i've just something partner and i've just something happened and i found out recently that actually some times people do it to distract partners, maybe to steal wallets or take it to the to the cashpoint or something like that, or indeed it is, you know, women with with potentially other mates. but i've got daughters and festivals and events like that and some kids have been sort of faking up, spiking, you know, putting a needle in a nurse and, you know, potentially doing stuff with that. so i know there's been a huge amount of work and credit

to my friend and colleague rachel mclean. did a huge amount of work with the festival industry on this. how long before something was before you knew something was wrong? you remember wrong? can you can you remember that the night with the pill, were you sort of results for the first time? yeah, but the second and we all sort of looked around for it and tried to do something about it the next morning about it was the next morning because of course you've had a few drinks. you're not necessarily making the smartest decisions point. so and decisions at that point. so and it was then when come into the major and i got the chance to talk about it and then i found myself, you know, on the front pages of, you know , various pages of, you know, various websites talking about it. but that's when the people came back to me and said , i've, i've had to me and said, i've, i've had the same experience . i've had the same experience. i've had a lucky exposure. it's happened to my daughter or whatever has happened , and it's come into happened, and it's come into people's consciousness and it's time, in my view , to make sure time, in my view, to make sure that if you're on a night out and must say the night time and i must say the night time economy, in the industry, economy, people in the industry, that's they don't want is that's what they don't want is to be associated with anything

that . they do a that they do. they do a brilliant job to keep bars and restaurants and, you know, nights safe. are nights out safe. there are perpetrator outers. there's criminals doing this. and you need to stop . is the loss of need to stop. is the loss of enough? some of your i can think of one of colleagues who of one of your colleagues who had a constituent who was affected by smoking. this is a specific criminal offence. i was working on some of that at the home office. i know there's still work going on there and i believe me, i'm still feeding very strongly into that. and i know caroline notes and rachel mclane , myself and rachel graham mclane, myself and rachel graham and priti patel was at that debate as well a strong across policy that we want something donei policy that we want something done i think they are looking at the right way of doing it. there are ways of proceeding not with are ways of proceeding not with a specific offence but i do think for young people understand doing this has a specific impact and linking that to the offence i think has real merit. so i'm watching this closely and i'd like to say progress. let's just go back to

your upbringing and your time before you were elected to parliament. when you when you were young. i read that your dad ran his own business and was attacked at work, but i couldn't find out what happened. how old were you? you know, typical sort of struggling family, just about getting somewhere. dad run in his own business. and there'd been a an incident with a former employee who'd got the unpaid for something . and there was an for something. and there was an altercation . and he was really altercation. and he was really lucky that he was somebody walk around the corner with first aid skills and saved his life. it was about six weeks for recognised any of us very long time to have any kind of what it took a while to get back on his feet and we didn't. i think we understand a lot more about head injuries than we did. certainly back then. and he actually had a broken neck as well. they haven't checked the broken neck . and he looked fine, sort of

struggled back to work. wasn't fine , loss of business. it was fine, loss of business. it was really difficult. and we ended up , you know, really struggling, up, you know, really struggling, losing a house, being on benefits and you two going back to square one. but as a family, you know, out of the darkness comes the time you need . my mum comes the time you need. my mum was, you know, found it really difficult and quite often the one that does the care and he's there all the time then starts to flag. so i'm a big advocate for the work that carers do. paid an unpaid and making sure that people on stand, particularly if something happens to them, that the state is there, that you can get support . there's amazing support. there's amazing charities and actually out of that real adversity , i got the that real adversity, i got the opportunity to see my family, made sure all i got to universe , you know, i progressed and i wouldn't have been so lucky without that focus from my family. so i feel very, very lucky and i still can't quite believe that i'm doing what i'm doing, nor can i actually more from members . davis after the

from members. davis after the break. you know, kate and our p0p break. you know, kate and our pop in ago. hi, i'm still here. i'm your mother. i'll see you in a few hours . you know, it's a few hours. you know, it's challenging .

you said that the family you lost your your house. yeah yeah, i just. when you were around 11. yeah. so it was all around the early nineties in the crash and then top is trying to salvage then top is trying to salvage the business, but obviously not the business, but obviously not the business. it was a he did road repairs and things like that. so there was a lot of tarmac in our house whenever you got in the bath, there was always grit in the bottom of the pile. but i mean, he worked really hard. he was, you know, somebody who was, you know, trying to do his best. my mum work with disabled adults as well. so she was a very, well. and so she was a very, very caring person. but, you know, just blows apart. it was

really difficult and, you know, i'm sad not to see them see me progress, but they saw me as a local councillor and i'm very proud of the support that they've given me. but it just shows you actually disablement often is acquired. you're not born with it and actually your health condition can change, but actually with the right kind of support and we really actually, you know, it probably kept us together as a family whereas, you know , sometimes things like you know, sometimes things like this can break your make you and i think we ended up closer as a result and you know really tough times. i think it pushes you times. but i think it pushes you on when you lost on what happened when you lost your what do? your house. what do you do? where do you live and relive it in my grandmother's place and staying with because staying with friends because i was get through was trying to get through college. we caravan college. then we had a caravan and it was all very it was not great. but i then i managed to get to swansea university to get into wales, which has shaped my life so much . i have got amazing life so much. i have got amazing friends and family there. i spent or less ten years, spent more or less ten years, started my career in in media there and did politics and

international relations . and international relations. and that helped me. i think with that has helped me. i think with what we do. you know, it's a former mp go you constituency surgeries is she going to get it? is she going to understand it? is she going to understand it ? you know, some people even it? you know, some people even ask, you know, how do how do i dress? so like memes, you know, because they get worried about coming to see you. but actually when they find out , actually, when they find out, actually, i've through the mail, i'm i've been through the mail, i'm a single mum, you know a divorced single mum, you know , quite challenging . that's , it's quite challenging. that's what people need if they're coming to you. i call it the coming to see you. i call it the iceberg they come to talk to you about what's over the water, but it's the under the is what's bothering them if can bothering them and if you can connect with as connect with them as a constituency that makes all constituency mp, that makes all the difference. and i don't think could do this job think i could do this job without them in the way that i hopei without them in the way that i hope i do pretty okay. without that experience. these that experience. how are these children , though, sort of just children, though, sort of just one coming in to haines and one learning to drive? so it's an interesting time at the moment. i'm i'm at the point where suddenly got more sleep and i

have to wait up and pick people up that was coming on there. but so were elected, you so when you were elected, you would have two young children would have a two young children that said single school, that you said single school, very small , that you said single school, very small, living in two places. yeah, very challenging. and chloe , you know what it's and chloe, you know what it's like all this job. i honestly think it's the most amazing experience . and i thank my experience. and i thank my constituents and the people i've ever had. the to represent. i always do my best. but if you have got a phone line, if there is an issue in your world, if a fragility, it will it will be found. and having, you know, 36 weeks a year, pretty much in london, you got a full on week . london, you got a full on week. and, you know, occasionally a p0p and, you know, occasionally a pop in ago. hi, i'm still here . pop in ago. hi, i'm still here. i'm your mother. i'll see you in a few hours . you know, it's a few hours. you know, it's challenging. is the most amazing thing because . i recently caught thing because. i recently caught up with some american politicians. i couldn't believe how available and local we are. and we have to hold that very,

very preciously because that's really important that people know that we get . and i think at know that we get. and i think at the moment it would be really easy for people to think we don't have you changed the way you do constituency surgeries? yeah, i think everybody you yeah, i think everybody has you know, advertise them know, don't pre advertise them i do much more limited drop ins i've been doing. i was doing a surgery when we lost jo cox and ihave surgery when we lost jo cox and i have staff like everyone else , duty of care to them and i was having a day off, , duty of care to them and i was having a day off , actual , duty of care to them and i was having a day off, actual day , duty of care to them and i was having a day off , actual day off having a day off, actual day off when we lost a day david amess then again, you know, we had to clear the, you know, clear the office case of, you know, other issues and, you know, get people home, get them to their families. so we do this job with our staff and we need to look after them, protect them, and we have to take as much safety precautions as possible . and i precautions as possible. and i want to continue to do the job in in a local and connected way . that's why we're here. final question you are a minister in the department for work and

pensions . do you ever cringe pensions. do you ever cringe when of your colleagues, a minority say people wouldn't have to use foodbanks if they knew house budget department work and pensions the department of wonderful people has twice called the most amazing people brilliant job centres up and down the land, helping people in any circumstance . and i think any circumstance. and i think i've just described to you times where you need to turn for help andifs where you need to turn for help and it's really important. those in dependent charities, all the because quite often people don't want to go to government, they don't want to get judged. but it's really important there it's really important that there is to go. there's is a place to go. there's a benefits calculator, the cost of living support, and it's really important that you can go to support networks and get further advice as well. quite often something is sent you into that scenario . so for me it's about scenario. so for me it's about making sure that those people aren't being sustained by that and that we're getting to the nub the iceberg. i sea what's under the water what's causing

this issue and making sure that we're helping people. and that's why i'm really proud of the agenda we do have at dwp day, which about progressing, which is about progressing, helping people skilling them up , doing loads of work around women , female employment and women, female employment and those people that seem to be what i call the stuck cohorts of people that seem to have at holidays. so i think it's really easy be incendiary this easy to be incendiary in this area. i think people tend area. i don't think people tend to want to be i think they're trying to point out, you know, actually there's other ways of doing it. but in reality, for me , the way that we all belong better together is to try to understand that at different times we all need different help in absolute pleasure. i reckon the minister from planet normal here, i'm saying that . so thank here, i'm saying that. so thank you for having me. thank you. coming up, robin walker, i also think the so—called family friendly hours are really anything but i mean, they mean that, you can't see your children at bedtime. you except possibly on thursdays .

robin walker , elected as robin walker, elected as a conservative mp in 2010. your dad was a conservative mp too . dad was a conservative mp too. what's it like growing up with a doctors ? and i'm sure he was. i doctors? and i'm sure he was. i mean, it was funny. he was i was 14 when he retired and so for me as a youngster, it was quite exciting because every now and again appeared on the telly again he appeared on the telly and was that was quite and that was that was quite lively. to go to fetes lively. and i got to go to fetes and you know, take part in tombola and raffles and that kind of thing. that's mostly tombola and raffles and that kind i: thing. that's mostly tombola and raffles and that kind i saw. g. that's mostly tombola and raffles and that kind i saw. and|at's mostly tombola and raffles and that kind i saw. and it's mostly tombola and raffles and that kind i saw. and i haveostly tombola and raffles and that kind i saw. and i have to ly tombola and raffles and that kind i saw. and i have to say, what i saw. and i have to say, the big politics was not really something i aware of that something i was aware of at that stage grew stage. obviously, as i grew older, it was something i suddenly realised. he suddenly realised. but he had been quite important work. been doing quite important work. there stage when i was in there was a stage when i was in my twenties where i sort of i followed politics, but i wasn't really sure it was a worthwhile thing and it was really actually getting involved in working for

another mp. i volunteer it and helped out in the 2005 election with oliver letwin seeing it on the doorstep and seeing how you could help people and make a difference. then kind of brought home to me when people said to me what an important job my father did, what it was all about. and it was that that sort of flipped with me and of flipped a switch with me and said me, is something said to me, this is something i want do. and at that stage want to do. and at that stage talked to more people about it. i understood more about what he had his time. got had done during his time. got the britney and i wanted to the bug. britney and i wanted to have a go at that. but have a go at doing that. but i think often assume that think people often assume that because father i kind because my father did it, i kind of in parliament ready, of arrived in parliament ready, programmed a full programmed with a full understanding of everything that he was much he had done. and it was much something like everybody something that, like everybody else, the job. else, i had to learn on the job. but sadly also i lost him a month i was elected so, you know, think lovely that know, i think it was lovely that he was able to see that i won back part of his old seat. but sadly, i didn't have that fount of advice. but i think a lot of people would have assumed i might have done. interesting.

now you are a far father of two. is it or five year old, four year or you're only for three quarters and shortly three quarters and shortly three quarters and shortly three quarters and also one and a half year old, which is lovely, but but but both handfuls and you know great great fun and my wife's also working so we juggle the childcare between us and that always lively and so she my daughter is a very bright spark absolutely loving being a school girl now and i'm very enthusiastic about everything. my enthusiastic about everything. my son is just about thinking about walking out. hasn't quite hasn't quite got around to it yet at one and a half. so we're hoping that he'll do it. so he's getting very happy. how do you took a lot childcare? it's a real challenge and it's a real battle and i think it's one of the things that obviously made me aware. but also talking to people in the constituency, talking to employees from all talking to employees or from all over parliament, from all parties, it's clearly one of the

big issues of today is how do we better support that? and in fairness, i wish successive governments we've seen approaches to invest more in that space with the 15 hours and then the 30 hours. and so, so forth. but clearly at the moment with cost of living, is with the cost of living, it is a real people. and, you know, real for people. and, you know, we're fortunate we're both we're very fortunate we're both in jobs. so we can in high paying jobs. so we can afford to pay for some degree of childcare that allows us do childcare that allows us to do those jobs. actually those jobs. but actually i recognise. that's recognise. but that's a challenge every family challenge for every family and it's challenge is it's a challenge which is stopping and some men stopping many women and some men from being able to continue with their careers. so to me is their careers. so that to me is a for the whole of a problem for the whole of government, it's a problem for the treasury, it's a problem for all is how we can all governments is how we can help to be able help people to be able to do that, also, been the that, but also, having been the schools i've seen schools minister, i've seen really the benefit of early really the benefit of the early years and the need for early years and the need for early years for children, years education for children, when they in school. so when they arrive in school. so this is the reason why when i was campaigning to become chair of committee, i said of the committee, i said childcare will be a number one issue, but want to look into issue, but we want to look into we since launched the inquiry

and forward to and i'm looking forward to taking evidence as part taking more evidence as part of that. me there's that. it strikes me there's a lot to be done sure we lot to be done to make sure we better support parents and children childcare that children with the childcare that they something the they need and it's something the cost which enormously cost of which has enormously increased with all the inflationary pressures on nurseries and so on and so forth . but that is also a huge challenge as your main bugbear is that childcare in this country is too expensive and come the next election , you'd come the next election, you'd like to see your policy? absolutely come up with an even stronger author. and i think i think i can understand when we often when you start a conversation on this , they will conversation on this, they will say, oh, but we've done lots done more than any other government. we're spending more and that. it's true. but and all of that. it's true. but actually, think still actually, i think there's still still major challenges for all parents, and particularly those on incomes and we on lower incomes. and what we need sure is that we need to make sure is that we come up with a serious set of policies to address that. i also think what we've got at the moment a whole layer of moment is, a whole layer of different policies were different policies which were done reasons. and done for different reasons. and so old offer, which

so the two year old offer, which was try and close the was done to try and close the disadvantage the disadvantage gap and target the people need . the three people most in need. the three and four year old offer, which is more supporting parents is more about supporting parents to work and free to be in work and in tax free childcare, which theory is childcare, which in theory is absolutely in absolutely brilliant, but in practise as well practise isn't working as well as it should. so it's got about as it should. so it's got about a third of the take up that you would in the treasury would expect in the treasury plan it and even those plan for it and even those people taking it up. half of people are taking it up. half of them using their them aren't using their accounts. so something's not right we need to look right there and we need to look into it. and one of the advantages having advantages of having a cross—party committee advantages of having a cross into �*ty committee advantages of having a crossinto �*ty things1mittee advantages of having a crossinto �*ty things is ittee advantages of having a crossinto �*ty things is wee advantages of having a crossinto �*ty things is we can look into these things is we can drill into evidence, look at drill into the evidence, look at what working, what isn't what is working, what isn't working, could be working, and how it could be done but what all of the done better. but what all of the sector are saying to us is that they something that's more they want something that's more joined works joined up, something that works for everyone can for parents, that everyone can understand, can understand, that they can understand, that they can understand to understand what they're going to get support they're get and what support they're going to get. and of course, understandably, they will always say they need more funding and so to me, partly so the question is to me, partly how can we make that case to the treasury? how can i the treasury? how can i help the children's minister others children's minister and others make the treasury make the case to the treasury for a worthwhile for why this is a worthwhile area? more funding? and area? for more funding? and i think there

think fundamentally there are three for that. there it three reasons for that. there it is the for parents to be is the support for parents to be able to continue in their careers more for support able to continue in their carichildren more for support able to continue in their carichildren to �*nore for support able to continue in their carichildren to be 'e for support able to continue in their carichildren to be moresupport able to continue in their carichildren to be more school for children to be more school ready and better prepared in the early years. but early identification have identification of need. we have a challenge this country a huge challenge in this country with level of needs in with the level of high needs in special education needs increasing all the time. whenever visit primary schools, they always tell me we're deaung they always tell me we're dealing with need we dealing with more need than we ever did before. identifying that and coming up with that early and coming up with the right support, whether it's in language in speech and language or whether in children whether it's in the children with difficulties, with hearing difficulties, can make massive in the make a massive difference in the long children's ability long run to children's ability to education. have to engage with education. i have a is dyslexic, a brother who is dyslexic, didn't find that to out until he was know, picking up was 16. you know, picking up that early on and that need early on and addressing it. it's something that would a real that would make a real difference. say to mums difference. what you say to mums and say sometimes it may and i say mums sometimes it may only who say to, only mums who say i want to, i want to be at home, that's great and. and if people want to at and. and if people want to be at home and can be supported home and they can be supported to so, that's absolutely to do so, that's absolutely brilliant. i've got no concern about per say, but i think about that. per say, but i think the people at the reality is many people at the reality is many people at the feel that they don't the moment feel that they don't have choice and feel that

have the choice and feel that particularly age six particularly the age of six months when maternity leave finishes people and two finishes for most people and two years, but they don't get any support if they want to, to do things differently, they want things differently, if they want to some extra help or if to get in some extra help or if they want to send their child to an early years settings. and just about parliament's just to talk about parliament's mums employees are often mums who are employees are often asked this but less so does the system work for new dads not really know very well if i'm honest i mean i took two weeks paternity for the birth of each of my children and that worked. and in fairness, that worked in parliament and in government. obviously, it's a period if obviously, it's a period and if you wanted to do shared parental leave, i don't think it would work effectively. i think work very effectively. i think we're challenging with the we're very challenging with the whips i also think the whips offices. i also think the so family friendly hours so called family friendly hours are really anything but. i mean, they they mean you can't they they mean that you can't see your children at bedtime except possibly on thursdays and i was very lucky when i was growing up. the house of commons had its very on family friendly hours. but my, my , were in a

hours. but my, my, were in a house in westminster. so my father actually was able to come back at bedtime and at bath time and say hello to four children and say hello to four children and some time us because and spend some time us because they around they were just around the corner. reality with corner. the reality is with london property prices nowadays, you'd have to be a billion animals afford kind of animals to afford that kind of property close by. it doesn't work think work anymore. and so i think that something that is that is something that is a challenge as actually looking at how you can make the parliament more family friendly is certainly something worth while looking could create looking at how you could create more capacity in nurseries. more capacity in the nurseries. iappued more capacity in the nurseries. i applied for a place in the nursery for my son and i was told that there wouldn't be one until september next year. well so that's a big challenge as well. looking at all of well. i think looking at all of these is worthwhile these things is worthwhile because is something that because it is something that affects both as you affects both parents. as you say, tends to say, undoubtedly it tends to affect members, lady affect women members, lady members become members more. we ought to become genuinely equal opportunities workplace does mean workplace that does mean supporting to be to supporting people to be able to continue and do continue with their role and do parenting at the same time. and it shouldn't be a choice that you have to up spending you have to give up spending time your children in order

time with your children in order to your in politics. to play your part in politics. just want to you about the just want to ask you about the new inquiry that your committee is looking into , and that is is looking into, and that is about persisting absence of some children from school . so why is children from school. so why is that important to you? this is a big issue anyway, but it's an even bigger issue after we saw children out of school for too long, we saw too much disruption in children's lives. and we've seen, unfortunately, an increase in the number children who in the number of children who are persistently absent and missing out on education. and of course, some those course, in some cases, those children may be getting brilliant at and in brilliant support at home and in some home education, some cases with home education, there be parents there may be parents who are doing brilliant of doing a brilliant job of supporting them. but trouble is, we no visibility to know we have no visibility to know that no certainty around that there's no certainty around that. issues as that. we have issues such as we're a session a we're doing a session in a couple time on county couple of weeks time on county lines and the exploitation of children for in that children for crime in that space. anecdotally, who space. anecdotally, children who spend of school spend more time out of school are get at risk are more likely to get at risk of those. those types of things. they're also more likely to get mental health problems and the

problems of isolation, lack of socialisation. so we know that in the majority cases, in the vast majority of cases, children off in children are better off in school. need to look at all school. we need to look at all the levers that government can pull sure they can pull to make sure that they can get a long standing get at a long standing recommendation committee. recommendation of the committee. long it was to long before i joined, it was to have statutory register for have a statutory register for children school. have children not in school. i have to i was schools to say. when i was schools minister, found it minister, i found it extraordinary. we didn't have that and to legislate that and i promised to legislate for three for that. now, with three changes of ministers later, i want to make sure that that legislation actually on track legislation actually is on track and can sure, which and that we can make sure, which i there's cross—party i think there's cross—party support have a support for, but we have a proper approach knowing who's proper approach to knowing who's in out of it, and in school, who's out of it, and if children are out of school for good reason with parental support, all to know is support, all we need to know is where and they're where they are and but they're safe. out of safe. but if they're out of school the wrong reasons, we school for the wrong reasons, we need to find the mechanisms for being bring back being able to bring them back in. now just this just prompted my memory. i can't remember where parents where we are with this parents get fined they can. and at get fined if they can. and so at the moment have a real mix the moment we have a real mix across the system, different local authorities taking different i think different approaches. i think one the things the government

one of the things the government was in my time in was trying to do in my time in government try and have a government was to try and have a more standardised approach, my view is are a necessary view is find are a necessary last resort , but they should last resort, but they should never be. the first thing that happensin never be. the first thing that happens in many situations. what we to is local we want to see is local authorities and schools working together what are together to understand what are the barriers for stopping a child coming from school, which might be mental it might child coming from school, which mi�*issues mental it might child coming from school, which mi�*issues tozntal it might child coming from school, which mi�*issues to dorl it might child coming from school, which mi�*issues to do with it might child coming from school, which mi�*issues to do with parentalight be issues to do with parental concerns. so then how they can remove barriers, they remove those barriers, how they can back can bring those children back into and only if into the system and only if those parents or somebody else who standing in the way and saying not, we're not saying absolutely not, we're not going cooperate going to cooperate with this process, i fines can process, then i think fines can be a relevant part of the system. debate to system. but there's a debate to be about or suspect be had about that or i suspect different members my different members of my committee may take different views so it's something views on that. so it's something that i should at the that i we should look at the whole finds one element whole piece finds is one element of the moment of what is at the moment a system which doesn't really seem to hang together properly in terms whether children terms of whether children are in school school and who school or out of school and who has the information about that as well? think it's a real as well? i think it's a real concern, but we don't necessarily that sight. necessarily that line of sight. we that during covid when

we saw that during covid when obviously were obviously many schools were closed. people's obviously many schools were clbigd. people's obviously many schools were clbig quite people's obviously many schools were clbig quite rightly people's obviously many schools were clbig quite rightly a people's obviously many schools were clbig quite rightly a big)eople's obviously many schools were clbig quite rightly a big worry's a big quite rightly a big worry about i think education about that. i think education secretary at the time said it was a mistake have closed was a mistake to have closed schools that they schools to the extent that they did. and i think that's something that we need learn something that we need to learn from. to try and make from. we need to try and make sure be safe. sure that actually be safe. places are open for children more we need try and make more and we need to try and make sure we have a supportive sure that we have a supportive system. get system. does your government get it you've been power it wrong? you've been in power now for 12 years and at the beginning of those 12 years i was actually towards was pushed actually towards a more narrow, rigorously academic . education system. i this high aspirations for everyone when it comes to attainment. absolutely the right thing to do. but i think narrow is definitely the wrong thing to do. i think we need to make sure that children can progress in their literacy and numeracy but the best place to do that is often not just by getting doing phonics or maths , getting doing phonics or maths, it's by engaging them in school , making sure that they enjoy school , , making sure that they enjoy school, making , making sure that they enjoy school , making sure that they school, making sure that they enjoy being there, particularly

with also about with boys. it's also about making that actually making sure that they actually get and don't get physically tired and don't have that pent up energy, which often that makes them often makes that makes them play up class. so that's where up in class. and so that's where sport has an role to sport has an enormous role to play. and as i say, art play. and also, as i say, art and music, other parts of it. and fairness to the most and in fairness to even the most pro people like my pro academic people like my predecessor and successor in that game, he would be very clear that wants schools to clear that he wants schools to have rich curriculum have a broad, rich curriculum and narrow one. so i think and not a narrow one. so i think it's something that we as a select committee want to engage in look also look at in that look at and also look at how that contributes to this issue of people absence or pupil attendance. final question, liz truss has made her first intervention into the political debate since leaving office. it's not helpful intervention . it's not helpful intervention. i'm not sure it's a helpful intervention . i think part of intervention. i think part of the reason why we are where we are is a certain lack self—awareness on that front. and i think there's a we have 4000 words over the weekend. i think i think it's about 4000 to many in the current situation. it's very frank. you haven't read it then? no okay. probing

work. thank you. thank you very much for your time today. work. thank you. thank you very much for your time today . thank much for your time today. thank you. thanks for watching. glory meets more next sunday is . meets more next sunday is. six good evening. my name is rachel ayers and welcome to our latest weather update from the met office. it's been quite a cloudy day today and that's not going to change too much as we head overnight, though, it will remain of this remain dry for most of this settled weather is due to this high pressure that we've had across the uk for some time . but across the uk for some time. but as we head towards about midweek we might just start to see some fronts creeping in from the west . but back to tonight and it's quite cloudy picture once quite a cloudy picture once again, might see a few clear again, we might see a few clear spells across northern and western areas through tonight. and here we could some patchy mist and fog forming remaining dry though as i say, and quite mild to with only a patchy frost . some rural areas, particularly

the north and east. so quite a mild and cloudy start to the new working week though as we go through the morning that mist and fog will lift and break, as will the cloud making for much brighter afternoon . so plenty of brighter afternoon. so plenty of sunny spells across the uk for the second half of monday . the second half of monday. temperatures will be around or just above average for the time of year, with highs of around 10 to 12 in the south. now looking ahead to monday evening and there'll be plenty of clear spells around through monday evening and this could lead to some mist and fog forming, particularly across east anglia and southeast england , now and southeast england, now looking for the west and cloud and outbreaks of rain will start to move in from the west as we head into the start of tuesday . head into the start of tuesday. so a milder night here , but so a milder night here, but cooler in the east, under clear skies and it's here. we could once again see a patchy rural frost . so a cool start once again see a patchy rural frost. so a cool start in once again see a patchy rural frost . so a cool start in the frost. so a cool start in the east on tuesday, but with plenty of sunny spells , cloud making of sunny spells, cloud making its way in from the west, just

bringing some outbreaks of light, and drizzle northern light, rain and drizzle northern and western areas to start tuesday and the weather isn't set to change too much throughout the rest of next week, although we might see rain around midweek and temperatures will remain at or just above will remain at orjust above average

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