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with bethany elsey . mark you. with bethany elsey. mark you. good evening. here's your top stories from the gb newsroom. the of people who've been killed in, the earthquakes that hit turkey and syria on monday has risen to 33,000. officials say the window for finding is closing, but several children were pulled from the rubble alive today in a nine year old boy who spent almost a week under a collapsed . an appeal by under a collapsed. an appeal by the uk disasters emergency committee has raised more than £60 million in just three days. the labour party is urging the bbc chair to consider his position after mps found he breached standards when applying for the role. a cross—party committee , richard sharp, made committee, richard sharp, made significant of judgement when he failed to declare that he'd helped boris to secure a loan

when he was prime minister. shadow culture secretary lucy powell is questioning whether he's still able uphold trust and in the broadcaster think this report. it really is unprecedented report means that mr. sharp's position is increasingly on and he really should now on whether he's able to carry out that very important role as the bbc chair to uphold pubuc role as the bbc chair to uphold public trust and independence of the bbc warrington police launched a murder investigation after a 16 year old girl was found stabbed to death in a park in cheshire yesterday . brianna in cheshire yesterday. brianna gay was found by members of the pubuc gay was found by members of the public with multiple stab wounds near linear park. public with multiple stab wounds near linear park . emergency near linear park. emergency services arrived , but she was services arrived, but she was pronounced dead at the scene . pronounced dead at the scene. the force is looking to speak with two people described a white man and woman . the chair. white man and woman. the chair. if the defence committee urging rishi sunak to boost spending

due to threats of new cold war. tory mp tobias ellwood told gb news need more money to replace military equipment and deal with aggression . russia and china. it aggression. russia and china. it comes after reports that some nato allies are concerned about the uk's military readiness and a high altitude object tracked over northern canada that officials say posed a threat to civilian aircraft has been shot down over yukon territory. it's the third object to have been shot down over north america in the past week, which at least one top us lawmaker says is another suspected chinese spy balloon. canadian prime justin trudeau says his forces will now recover and analyse the wreckage . you're up to date on tv, .you're up to date on tv, onune .you're up to date on tv, online , dvb plus radio. this is online, dvb plus radio. this is gb news. now, though, it's back to .

to. mark my to. mark my thanks to bethany elsey returns in an hour's time . returns in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight show. in my big opinion. welcome to mark dolan tonight show. in my big opinion . just show. in my big opinion. just a moment. the scandal nhs waste. it's to make you sick . moment. the scandal nhs waste. it's to make you sick. in moment. the scandal nhs waste. it's to make you sick . in the it's to make you sick. in the big question is a tory mp lee anderson a hero or a villain? we'll debate that with ann widdecombe. my meat's guest is a man who's never short of an opinion or to the former mep david campbell bannerman who was right hand man to nigel farage at ukip and in the news agenda is vaping and anti social nuisance. is it time to stamp out e—cigarettes . also is out e—cigarettes. also is britain vulnerable to foreign attack ? and given the problems attack? and given the problems that we've got with our defence. is swearing at work a sackable offence and does being nice you anywhere in life. we'll discuss that in the show reacting to those stories and many more . my

those stories and many more. my fantastic panel tonight , the fantastic panel tonight, the political editor of the sunday mirror and the sunday people. nigel to jobs nelson the historian david oldroyd ed bolt and the and social commentator lynn may . now and the and social commentator lynn may. now i want to hear from you throughout show mark at gb news .uk. the show's all about opinions, especially yours . this programme has a golden rule. we don't do boring. not on my watch. i won't have it . so my watch. i won't have it. so for the next 2 hours, big debates, big guests and always big opinions. debates, big guests and always big opinions . let's start with big opinions. let's start with this . one you big opinions. let's start with this. one you may need a lie down hearing this and some salts. the telegraph report that the nhs is currently paying six figure salaries to three and a half thousand managers.

statistics the department of health and social care also show that the number of senior bureaucrats employed by the service has risen by i6% in just years. there are now over 36 and a half thousand bureaucrats within nhs, up from . 33,000 in within nhs, up from. 33,000 in december 20, 19. how can our health service, which is paid for from the public purse , money for from the public purse, money and mine sleep walk into hiring thousands more people on huge six figure salaries . there six figure salaries. there aren't too many examples in the private sector of people being recruited and the wage bill exploding accidentally or without anyone really . in the without anyone really. in the private , the wage bill doesn't private, the wage bill doesn't swell automatically . but when swell automatically. but when you and i are paying for it , you and i are paying for it, it's another story . as with the it's another story. as with the entirety of the public sector, when its money we're always

taken for mugs. when its money we're always taken for mugs . we know about taken for mugs. we know about the diabolical in the health service with hospital trusts paying service with hospital trusts paying over the odds for a packet of paracetamol that you can buy for 50 at morrisons. there are contractors charging small fortune to change a light bulb or replace a carpet tile . bulb or replace a carpet tile. and don't get me started on diversity offices for the most diverse workforce on god's earth . the public sector has a problem with cash whilst . problem with cash whilst. private companies work ruthlessly to police their incomings outgoings and with the very survival of the business dependent on the balance sheets and the bottom line in the pubuc and the bottom line in the public sector when it's taxpayers money, it's money. no object . it's often boasted that object. it's often boasted that the nhs is the employer. in europe. it's the biggest employer in europe. why that a boast. that's in my view, is an

admission of it's outrageous . admission of it's outrageous. the nhs should treat more people and employ fewer. the nhs should treat more people and employ fewer . yes, we need and employ fewer. yes, we need more doctors and nurses. absolutely but pen pushing middle managers? not so much . middle managers? not so much. whoever wins the next election must conduct an almighty war on waste and. the best place to start is fat cats. salaries for nhs managers who have prison cited over a service which is getting both more expensive and by the day . and these nhs by the day. and these nhs managers as part of the leadership of our health service as well behind the nhs is my view. disastrous response to covid in which it focussed on the containment of a seasonal respiratory virus at the expense of far worse illnesses like cancer , two diabetes and cancer, two diabetes and dementia . even now when you go dementia. even now when you go into an nhs hospital, dementia. even now when you go into an nhs hospital , they're into an nhs hospital, they're still drinking the covid with

ridiculous fines for social distancing . plastic screens distancing. plastic screens everywhere , and half the staff everywhere, and half the staff wearing , those filthy, worthless wearing, those filthy, worthless face rags. i hasten to many of them just wear those masks on their chin below their nose . their chin below their nose. follow the science now with mask mandates with a focus on containing spread of covid within hospital settings, the nhs argue they were trying to save lives and prevent service from being overwhelmed . i from being overwhelmed. i understand they were doing their best, but i to differ in terms of stress as perfectly healthy doctors and nurses were forced stay at home for weeks on end dunng stay at home for weeks on end during pingdemic when their alerted them after they'd in contact with someone that horror of horrors had tested positive for covid. yes, covid was a potentially virus, but one mild and non—fatal toll to almost everyone . well, thanks . the

everyone. well, thanks. the covid hysteria encouraged fat cats nhs , middle management, the cats nhs, middle management, the nhs is certainly overwhelmed now . these six figure middle managers are responsible for a waiting list of over 7 million people and a health system on the verge of collapse . please the verge of collapse. please don't mention money. given the fact that the health service is estimated now to cost each household in the country . household in the country. £13,000 a year. now, i'm not saying . this is a good thing, saying. this is a good thing, but you could pay fraction of that to go private . nhs managers that to go private. nhs managers have presided over a service in which the population is getting ill and fatter by the decade. until you tackle public health and obesity , which is a gateway and obesity, which is a gateway drug to every other illness. you can think of the service, will never be viable. the nurses and the doctors are great, but the once envied national health service is becoming an expensive

joke. it's to make you sick . joke. it's to make you sick. what's your view? do you agree ? what's your view? do you agree? do you disagree? mark at gb .uk. as said, the nhs would argue need those middle managers . need those middle managers. they've got to pay top dollar. without then people would die. the health service be worse. many of these middle managers, it's argued work miracles every day to get people their operations and to keep a byzantine going. but what's your view? let me know. this show all about opinions. let's get the views now of my all star panel. we have nigel nelson , who is the we have nigel nelson, who is the political editor of , the sunday political editor of, the sunday mirror and the sunday political and social commentator alan may and social commentator alan may and historian david oldroyd, both lynn, may i start with you, if i can. what's your view on this? as far as i'm concerned ,

this? as far as i'm concerned, this? as far as i'm concerned, this level of waste , three and a this level of waste, three and a half thousand people on, a six figure salary at the nhs is deeply wrong. i can't seem to get my head around because the nhs on average wastes about 7.6 billion. every single and we constantly hear the government getting blamed . now, i'm not getting blamed. now, i'm not saying the government can't do more, however, no one ever seems to bring up amanda, who is the chief exec . what has she been chief exec. what has she been doing to ensure that the money is going where it's supposed to be? comes to these be? and when it comes to these strikes why are we not strikes as well why are we not asking ? what they asking the nhs? what have they been why been doing with their money? why are billions of are they literally billions of pounds a year ? indeed. david pounds a year? indeed. david oldroyd bolt. i don't think any body that works in the nhs should be getting rich , should be getting rich, especially if they don't have a direct role in terms of patient care. you said in your monologue that this was by that this had been sleepwalked into . i'm been sleepwalked into. i'm afraid i take a rather more cynical view that this explosion

, middle management began under the government of tony blair and gordon brown , a way of shoring gordon brown, a way of shoring up their vote. turkeys don't vote christmas and nhs vote for christmas and nhs middle managers on healthy salaries don't. i think salaries don't. tory. i think this is continued under the 30 years of conservative led government because they were too frightened to take on the nhs, because were worried because they were worried that they by the they would be painted by the left wing press as attacking the nhs, privatising it by the nhs, as privatising it by the backdoon nhs, as privatising it by the backdoor, as they've said about the tories and the nhs ever its foundation. in 1948. the big problem that we are the ones footing the bill for this perfidy and for this cowardice on the part of the tory government. and it's about it stopped. we cannot afford this. the nhs system doesn't work . it the nhs system doesn't work. it is too large. it is bureaucratically unwieldy. it doesn't deliver good health outcomes. the people of this country are being failed by it. and it's about time we step back .took and it's about time we step back . took a deep breath and realised need a realised we need a royal commission look future commission to look at the future of service this of health service in this country. do you want, sir david to give me your elevator pitch as your health system as to what your health system

would like ? this country, would look like? this country, if you will? well, i'm i'm going to say something that i that the remainer contingent, our viewership, which is probably quite small, would agree with, look to europe. they have a very good of health on the continent . in any country you can name , . in any country you can name, they have part private, part pubuc they have part private, part public health provision. they have health outcomes have far better health outcomes than we do. this the case than we do. this is the case most the globe. america is most of the globe. america is the qatar in this. every time we talk about the nhs, people say, well, you want an american system. no, we don't . we just system. no, we don't. we just want what they have germany want what they have in germany and in italy and and in france and in italy and in and in holland and in any first world country you can think name where don't think to name where people don't die waiting years where die because waiting years where people aren't treated as though they are an encumbrance upon a service which they are here and where people are not treated with disdain whenever they try to complain about the bad service they're receiving. which part would privatise, part would you privatise, though? that's the only concern mine. well, i think the whole the nhs needs to be taken apart and back together again.

and put back together again. it's just incapable of being reformed. we've been trying this now since 1948 to make it work better. it doesn't work. it can't work because . there is no can't work because. there is no way that a nation can direct health provision. it just can't be done . lynne may. i would be done. lynne may. i would suggest that every single serve that the nhs provides to , the that the nhs provides to, the pubuc that the nhs provides to, the public should be competed for by the public and private sector. there's an element of that already , but i would ramp that already, but i would ramp that up already, but i would ramp that ”p by already, but i would ramp that up by 100. let's talk to nigel nelson. nigel many would defend the nhs and say without these managers who get a bad press , managers who get a bad press, more people would die. less operations would happen. they are simply propping a complex and byzantine system. well, i think there probably are two in the managers in the nhs. but the point is the nhs does need managing . as you've pointed out, managing. as you've pointed out, it's the biggest employer in europe , it's the fifth largest europe, it's the fifth largest in the world with only mcdonnell mills, wal mart, the chinese

army and the us defence department above that. so got to have managers their job. the have managers theirjob. the question is if they do it. do they do it well enough ? one of they do it well enough? one of they do it well enough? one of the problems with things like waiting lists is that they're not managed properly . so what not managed properly. so what you need to do is have a system , you know, where beds are , , you know, where beds are, where you can patients how where you can put patients how to get them into hospital as quickly as possible. and ambulances . that's a job not for ambulances. that's a job not for clinicians . there's that's a job clinicians. there's that's a job for managers . and the important for managers. and the important thing is that they do their job properly. i do agree with david. i think that we're to the point where the nhs need to be taken apart and properly reformed. so we have a real national service. even keir starmer has said the nhs is no longer sacred. cow i've heard labour mp saying it's not about anymore. so it is time for national conversation. let's it tonight. what's your view? your appraisal of the nhs? how do you feel about your money

going to three and a half thousand middle managers on six figure salary ? let me no figure salary? let me no mark@gbnews.uk my guest is farage, his former right hand man, david campbell bannerman . man, david campbell bannerman. what a character. he's live after ten. but next in the big question lee anderson tory mp, deputy party chairman . is he a deputy party chairman. is he a hero or villain ? we'll debate hero or villain? we'll debate that.

next i've said it before. i'll say again, the best bit of my show is when you get touch. i just love your emails because you talk common sense. you it like it is a big reaction . my big it is a big reaction. my big opinion and talking about waste in the nhs. three and a half thousand middle on six figure salaries. this from philip. great email. can't read the whole thing because of time. the headunes whole thing because of time. the headlines are denmark every year

in the winter we hear how the nhs is strain and needs more funding . over the years, throw funding. over the years, throw funding. over the years, throw funding way increasing every yeah funding way increasing every year. despite this, we get the same under strain. more funding the nhs needs to be reorganised to ensure that better value for money is achieved. a can be made by axing all inclusivity and equality management positions and non—medical positions like executive director of people and culture and transformational facilitator. what the hell is that ? i was facilitator. what the hell is that? i was hoping i was one of those. geoff says. if the nhs was a it would be looking at voluntary redundancies and yvonne says mark my friend worked in a london hospital and every day, watched people who'd flown in from overseas to either give or have major surgery and then leave without paying a penny. thanks for that. keep those emails coming at gbnews.uk . it's those emails coming at gbnews.uk .wsfime those emails coming at gbnews.uk . it's time for this.

those emails coming at gbnews.uk . it's time for this . yes . it's time for this. yes it's time for the big question in which we tackle a major news story of the day . the newly story of the day. the newly appointed deputy chairman of the conservative party, lee anderson , has received criticism from some politicians and several high profile figures in the media for suggesting we should bnng media for suggesting we should bring back the death penalty for the crimes. also raised the worst crimes. also raised eyebrows by saying voters are sick to death of hearing about net and is not a vote net and that is not a vote winner. mr. anderson , former winner. mr. anderson, former miner and previously lifelong labour supporter , has also labour supporter, has also labelled this labelled civil service as one of the biggest problems in the country suggesting officials still , suggesting officials still, blairite views that led to woke nonsense whitehall. anderson also urged that the royal navy frigates to ferry asylum straight back to france to solve the migrant crisis . even the migrant crisis. even a colleague on his own side conservative mp ellwood with

faint praise on the camilla tominey show here on gb news this morning. how about this for a ringing endorsement? not the anderson seems to be very popular. tobias i mean , we're popular. tobias i mean, we're having a serious conversation here. you know, leading the country. yes. we need to be able to command all tribes in the conservative party from the centre ground and appeal to the whole of the nation not just to a particular angle, a particular cohort , a particular part of the cohort, a particular part of the spectrum , which i appreciate. spectrum, which i appreciate. lee anderson doesn't get it. well, indeed, not least your programme . blimey. represents programme. blimey. represents represents a cohort by the way, isn't fantastic. she's back on sunday morning. so is lee anderson a principled man of the people or a loudmouthed self publicist? is he a hero or a villain ? tonight's big question villain? tonight's big question to debate this . i'm delighted to to debate this. i'm delighted to welcome former conservative government minister, bestselling author and tv ann widdecombe .

author and tv ann widdecombe. plus a writer, political commentator and labour party fatima kamara . fatima, your of fatima kamara. fatima, your of lee anderson . hi mark. good lee anderson. hi mark. good evening . thank you for once evening. thank you for once again inviting me to what i would say put my $0.02 into this conversation. i think certainly depends on you're asking and who you're to . talking certainly you're to. talking certainly from my point of view . lee. lee from my point of view. lee. lee anderson is definitely not speaking on behalf of my behalf, says ali. i think with regards to his he's kind of stirred up a lot of negative press and negative in my view. i think just the first thing that he's actually mentioned that actually i don't hear anyone talking about and is about this is in famous quote about, you know, the death sentence. so speak what no one is talking about is we as a country, the united kingdom actually we've signed up to the charter and actually just

even mentioning about is just you know, it just kind of me. and actually also yes, he's done quite , you know, phenomenal quite, you know, phenomenal things within in mansfield. he's come in from a mining community, a mining background , lived there a mining background, lived there for years and everything like thatis for years and everything like that is actually , you know, got that is actually, you know, got the maybe the clout with the local people thought what i say is certainly he's not for everyone. he's not speaking for everyone. he's not speaking for everyone from that mining community. he's definitely, you know , yes, he's been appointed know, yes, he's been appointed by rishi sunak. and i think what that does. and actually, tobias said, it it's actually appointing him with every sort of speech and every sort of , you of speech and every sort of, you know, he's every sort of thing that he stands for in terms of all his conversation and all these little rhetoric is not helping the situation . we are in helping the situation. we are in a cost of living crisis . we need a cost of living crisis. we need to now look and listen to the people and what people are going

through saying that people know how to cook and they can actually cook a meal, you know, for there to be using 30. and they need to be taught about budgeting need be budgeting. they need to be taught things and taught about certain things and not addressing the not actually addressing the issue.i not actually addressing the issue. i think for me , it just issue. i think for me, it just kind of just deflects in terms of what we're really dealing as a nation and as a community and what it can lee anderson hero or villain , absolute hero . when villain, absolute hero. when i listen to tobias on wood, i could almost david cameron speaking and people who are just focussed the metropolitan elite. no what's going on in the rest of the country. i'm really anderson connects with not you know you can dismiss it as a cohort if you like but it's a cohort if you like but it's a cohort that regular only feels itself neglected and therefore doesn't to vote. and he is speaking for them now when he says , you know, that if you're says, you know, that if you're using food banks, when you're earning over 30,000, your you know, you need help with

budgeting. believe me, there are loads of people at home in those red wall areas and elsewhere who are sacrificially at the moment in order to cope with the cost of living crisis and who are managing sometimes times are much less than 30,000. and that's saying . yes, yes, you're that's saying. yes, yes, you're right. and i think what we've forgotten is stop patronising people, which is what tories tend to do. stop patronising people and understand how they see things and speak for them. and he is actually for quite a large section of the population. i'm normally nobody speaks . i'm i'm normally nobody speaks. i'm on the political genius of tony blair was john prescott. do you that lee anderson could do a similar job for rishi that lee anderson could do a similarjob for rishi providing similar job for rishi providing a voice for real working people? well, i think do a betterjob than that than john prescott.

but i mean, i think there is something in that analogy we tend to have a voice raised on behalf of what you described as real people. what i would describe as the forgotten decent, the people who try to live decent lives and everything is against. and he is speaking for the man . let's make is against. and he is speaking for the man. let's make this very clear. he didn't say bring back capital punishment. he said that there was an argument for capital punishment. i've been saying that for years. when i was shadow home secretary, i didn't to bring it back didn't campaign to bring it back because in the uk, because you we were in the uk, we couldn't to do and it we couldn't we want to do and it was waste of time. my was a waste of time. but my attitude now is get out of the isa on a whole load of other crimes . fatima, briefly, if you crimes. fatima, briefly, if you can . the clock's against us. can. the clock's against us. i wonder whether labour should careful about disowning or criticise using lee anderson too harshly because he was in your ranks for about five decades as a lifelong labour supporter , but a lifelong labour supporter, but also lee anderson as a man. he's very popular in those red wall

can stitch those labour voters who supported boris in 2019. you're going to need to win those voters and they like lee anderson . mark what rishi sunak anderson. mark what rishi sunak done clearly is he knows that there's know if there was an election called today or tomorrow, you know that the conservative would not stand a chance. conservative would not stand a chance . so he's deflected and chance. so he's deflected and actually just wanting lee anderson to be able to communicate those people where those people could not cannot relate to rishi sunak at all. so he's kind of cleverly done that. but what i say, you know, lee anderson had the choice with which party he wanted belong to. but what i would say is a day in politics, anything can happen and i'll be really interested to see how this all pans out in terms of leaders and going forward within the course of a two party, certainly . briefly, two party, certainly. briefly, ed , final thought, i whether he

ed, final thought, i whether he is both asset and a thorn in the side to the prime minister popular in the red wall for his no nonsense approach but a controversial and device figure in middle conservative seats. whether comes from the liberal democrats . just describe being democrats. just describe being norman tebbit who referred to as a semi house trained polecat , a semi house trained polecat, thatis a semi house trained polecat, that is who describing everybody, every leader needs one of those around and think thatis one of those around and think that is the function at the anderson discharges and yes it's quite true that a day in politics a lot of things can happen. but in two years before an election i think this guy will achieve a lot. and when it comes , great to have you on the comes, great to have you on the show as always. we'll see in a week's time. and also what an absolute delight and a warm welcome to the show. to welcome back to the show. to labour party councillor. political commentator kamara. thank fatima . thank you. thank you, fatima. thank you. and look out. we put out a text

poll asking you what you think is lee anderson a hero or villain? well, 40% say he's a hero . 60% say he is a villain. hero. 60% say he is a villain. thanks to everyone that voted up my mark meets guest is nigel farage, his former right hand man , david campbell—bannerman. man, david campbell—bannerman. what lively character he's on after ten plus tomorrow's but next. is it anti social is it filthy habit? should we it out? we'll debate that .

next welcome back to mark dolan tonight . is welcome back to mark dolan tonight. is tory mp lee welcome back to mark dolan tonight . is tory mp lee anderson tonight. is tory mp lee anderson a hero? a villain? quick email which speaks for so many emails i've received . alan good i've received. alan good evening, alan. how are you? alan has said. mark lee says people on the streets think if only his peers got the message could have the best ammunition . his armoury the best ammunition. his armoury top man, a man of, the best ammunition. his armoury top man, a man of , the people top man, a man of, the people for the people, especially most

working red wall voters. alan, thank you for that. keep emails coming . thank you for that. keep emails coming. let's thank you for that. keep emails coming . let's talk now. can coming. let's talk now. can about vaping. do you vape with news that thousands of children are being illegally sold vapes featuring fruity flavours and colourful packaging and given that environmental groups have called for action on the hazardous from these e—cigarettes , are they really e—cigarettes, are they really the best way ? get people off the the best way? get people off the vaping a good alternative to or an anti social nuisance and a threat to children's health. is it time to snuff out e—cigarettes ? let's speak to e—cigarettes? let's speak to colleen dwyer from the world renowned alan carr . the easy way renowned alan carr. the easy way program, which has spawned several globally bestselling books , has helped millions of books, has helped millions of people to give up smoking, gambling . sugar. mobile phone gambling. sugar. mobile phone addiction. drinking and even e—dg. addiction. drinking and even e—cig . in fact, their latest e—cig. in fact, their latest bookis e—cig. in fact, their latest book is on that very subject, it's called alan calls easy way to quit vaping. colleen, welcome

, mark dolan tonight. hello, mark. very pleased to be here. can modulations on everything that you've done for so many people that have bought these books vaping what's your view should we stop it out . well should we stop it out. well we're , very keen to help anyone we're, very keen to help anyone who is smoking to quit and. obviously e—cigarettes were brought to the market with that intent . but what brought to the market with that intent. but what we're brought to the market with that intent . but what we're saying brought to the market with that intent. but what we're saying is how the use now the next generation is starting to pick up vaping and of course that was never the intention. it's not desirable it's a pointless activity and it's a real waste to see, you know, children getting falling into the nicotine trap . do we know do we nicotine trap. do we know do we know, colleen, whether vaping is healthier ? smoking? is it is it healthier? smoking? is it is it is it a the lesser of two evils? is it is it harmless ? well, it's is it is it harmless? well, it's certainly i wouldn't say it was harmless and we certainly need

more research into the long term, mid—term effects as well of vaping and. you know, common sense kind of dictates that it's not a very healthy to do to inhale vapour , but it's probably inhale vapour, but it's probably is less harmful than tobacco smoking . but the problem is it smoking. but the problem is it nicotine, which is extraordinary addictive. can you just give us addictive. can you just give us a sense of addictive? nicotine is and how hard it is to kick? well, nicotine is the most addictive substance known to mankind and just one dose of the drug would be enough to get you hooked. drug would be enough to get you hooked . so, you know, it's vape hooked. so, you know, it's vape it's highly addictive . so it it's highly addictive. so it wouldn't take much for a youngster to find themselves in that cycle of wanting to vape and not being able stop. is this tobacco industry just finding a new income stream? because i felt like we had a rare opportunity in our history to get tobacco of our lives. but then brought e—cigarettes out a

way of getting people off the. and it feels to me like back to square one precise say, it's there was high hopes for e—cigarettes to get people to find they finish you know that nicotine addiction for good but that's not what we're saying i mean we highlighted the dangers of it back in the when they first came out and sadly we're seeing our predictions come fruition full disclosure i've run out i literally run out of the number of people that have taken the easy way method which is what you do that's had amazing success think six or 7 million copies of the smoking book. alan carr no longer with us. absolute genius. i've got to say the easy way is easy. it's brilliant. so bravo to you. obviously other alternatives are available, including gp, but if you're struggling , cigarettes or you're struggling, cigarettes or any other addictive substance do give the alan easy weight method ago. if i can , let's bring my

ago. if i can, let's bring my panelin ago. if i can, let's bring my panel in on this. we've got david oldroyd bolts , nigel david oldroyd bolts, nigel nelson and lin mei or nigel i'm cunous nelson and lin mei or nigel i'm curious what you think you come from fleet street and those smoke filled offices at least back in the day do you think we should stop outside e—cigarettes at no . i am both a smoker the at no. i am both a smoker the vapouri at no. i am both a smoker the vapour i rather that the vaping will actually take over from the cigarettes and that when it comes children we've had this problem all along that there any cigarettes around children got their hands on them they were much more when i was a youngster than they are today . the same than they are today. the same thing applies to vapes. important thing there is there should be proper of this. it's to down shops not to sell them, to down shops not to sell them, to young people. so that is where the effort go. vaping may beideal where the effort go. vaping may be ideal, but probably is a better alternative to tobacco . better alternative to tobacco. okay. david oldroyd , i guess you okay. david oldroyd, i guess you were a libertarian, so wouldn't

want us to dictate to people what they smoke or don't smoke. well as former and very very enthusiastic smoker i found vapes be useful. i think they are from every study. i've been able to see so far less harmful. they don't contain carcinogens for instance the problem i had with vapes is that when they first come out, you can smoke them pretty much everywhere. you could use them everywhere and one can use them inside the house that terrible smells. they affect rose rather affect my nicotine rose rather than . i think the idea that than fill. i think the idea that they be taxed is they should be taxed is ludicrous. one of the reasons that people use vapes, i'm sure, is they are cheaper than is because they are cheaper than cigarettes. a viable cigarettes. so they're a viable alternative if make the alternative if you make them the same as cigarettes , why same price as cigarettes, why would they might would people switch? they might well carry on with the well just carry on with the thing already thing that they already know is bad they it's bad bad for them. they know it's bad for them because they are told every time they buy a packet of cigarettes those cigarettes and they see those rather ghastly pictures on the front children front back. if children are buying nigel buying them. that is, as nigel says, a problem with the policing of them. it is not a problem with things problem with the things themselves. issue

themselves. lyn may the issue that many would argue is that vaping is quite antisocial . you vaping is quite antisocial. you sit there perhaps you're watching a football match or you're just down the street, you're just down the street, you're in a cafe or you're outside and you get cloud of steam and it's banana flavoured or mango flavours . it's just or mango flavours. it's just it's just a another irritant, isn't in daily life. it's just anti social. if e—cigarettes are anti social. if e—cigarettes are a nuisance. well no, i don't agree with it being anti—social you can say anything is anti—social can say being your phone that i've got a breathe in that steamy . i think phone that i've got a breathe in that steamy. i think some that smoky steamy. i think some of them smell quite to be honest the only thing i say is i know people say you know it's nowhere as bad however the nicotine content you can decide much you have but they oftentimes are a lot more than cigarettes . the lot more than cigarettes. the national institute of health has just published article saying that there's lot of damage to blood vessels as well. and i think that when you even though

children were getting hold of cigarettes, i don't think was that appeal for even younger children. now that these different fruits, colours and they're easy to get on the internet . so i do they're easy to get on the internet. so i do think they're easy to get on the internet . so i do think there internet. so i do think there does to be a bit of discouragement when it comes to who purchases these these vapes because it is not good for young children to also get into the habit of being addicted to something . people might not want something. people might not want to admit this, but addiction is a bad thing if you feel you need to have something. enjoyment is different , if feel you different, but if you feel you have depend on something. have to depend on something. addiction be addiction should not be something child to deal something a child has to deal with such a young okay, with at such a young age. okay, look, just few seconds left. colleen i think you were quite a heavy smoker you became a sort disciple of the alan carr easy way technique. and it is easy, isn't it? oh, absolutely . and i isn't it? oh, absolutely. and i just want to echo what you said there, which is it is it's not nice being dependent on anything , even if there is no harm associated with it. no one wants to be psychologically depending

on anything. so i was very happy be freed from, from my addiction . brilliant. how can people find out more about what you do . i'm out more about what you do. i'm alan carr .com . yeah just go and alan carr .com. yeah just go and we have a whole range of problems. alan carr's methods been applied to . worth a try. been applied to. worth a try. i would say from personal experience. i think it's genius. however if you're also worried about any addiction , do seek about any addiction, do seek professional help. you've got the carr, but you've got your gp and lots of voluntary organisations as well. wonderful to have you on the show. my thanks to coleen for that. fascinating debate that was indeed a fascinating. so there you go. that was coleen dwyer . you go. that was coleen dwyer. lots more to come. my mark meets is nigel farage is former hand man. remarkable guy david campbell—bannerman . i'll be campbell—bannerman. i'll be asking him what he thinks. brexit but next does britain face the threat of attack? see you shortly .

welcome back to the show. now today's mail on sunday reports that nato chiefs fear that britain's military forces are so overstretched that they not fit to be on the front line . the to be on the front line. the defence against russia this to sources. the uk. is due to take over leadership of nato's rapid reaction force from germany at the end of the year. but reports in german media, backed up by ministry of defence sources in the claim that nato asked berlin to remain charge for an extra year because britain cannot spare. the 5000 personnel required . there's even required. there's even a suggestion that britain wait for it has run out of bullets. this story brings the issue of defence funding into sharp focus and begs the wider question notwithstanding our challenges in support nato is britain increasingly at risk ? foreign

increasingly at risk? foreign attack ? joining me now to attack? joining me now to discuss this , the former nato discuss this, the former nato commander and a former ministry of defence general rear admiral chris parry, cbe . chris, thank chris parry, cbe. chris, thank you so much for your time. first of all, your reaction to the fact that this great nation a country that alongside the allies defeated germany in the second world war is running out bullets . well good evening, bullets. well good evening, everybody. i don't think we are running out of bullets. if we are running out of bullets, we're not running out of much else. you always get this sort of hysteria whenever a of hysteria whenever there's a an imminent defence review or revision . this case of the revision. this case of the integrated review and all sorts of lobby starts sort of putting things out there saying short of those, so short of that, the fact of life is the integrated review of last year is a pretty good framework how britain's good framework for how britain's shape its defence into the 21st century. i don't think they've worked out how it's going to be

equip man the resource properly yet but as a basic framework it's not bad with the leading maritime nation in we've got the most advanced air force and we've got an army that is fit for defending this country and contributing to nato . it's contributing to nato. it's pretty rich of the germans to back and say when they only spent 1.1% of their gdp that the brits can't take over from them. we spend more than 2% of our gdp. i'm right now the germans are in the position being the pot calling kettle black . and pot calling kettle black. and germany's response to the ukraine invasion was slow at best, wasn't it, chris? is this an example of britain that , you an example of britain that, you know, there's a bit of that. i mean , it won't be long before mean, it won't be long before brexit is mentioned and all this sort of saying the fact of life is britain is probably the leading military power in europe. there's no question about that. we've got nuclear and conventional forces that can compete with the best, but

they're designed to take part within an alliance and strongest part of that alliance is the united states. and there isn't one european country that can stand up to russia without contribution of the united . and contribution of the united. and everybody accepts that . so right everybody accepts that. so right now i think we just need to calm down that we're the furthest geographically from russia of any in europe. we've got the best trap in europe, in the engush best trap in europe, in the english channel, and we need to leave panzer stuff, which everybody's crowing about at the moment to those that, need it the most and can afford it. afford it the most as . well. we afford it the most as. well. we need to be really careful that we don't make general lessons out of what's happening in ukraine. i've recently that ukraine. i've recently that ukraine is the last war of the 20th century, not the war of the 21st. this is proving to be a very helpful and illumined conversation. chris can we talk about defence spending ? why about defence spending? why should my viewers and listeners really care about defence

spending when they're struggling to heat their homes and pay the bills ? well well, we all should bills? well well, we all should worry about it. we're all taxpayers . i am as well . the taxpayers. i am as well. the facts of life is if you don't make the right decisions about defence and security, you don't get to make those decisions about all the other things eating. just ask of the people in ukraine about heating at the moment . the russians have moment. the russians have devastated it with their missiles and other attack systems . and, you know, a third systems. and, you know, a third of the population right now is shivering. now, that's not a situation we want to be in. we need to deter coercion. we need deter potential opponents and say to them, look, if you come our way, you're going to get a nasty surprise. now, there are some areas that we need to take into account the ukraine war, for example not many of your viewers will realise that the missiles that the russians are using right now against ukraine have the range and capability to hit the united kingdom directly. and so that's something we need to tighten up on. there are a

number of other things to do with unmanned and drone warfare that we need to accelerate procurement plans for and on a no across all three services thatis no across all three services that is happening . no across all three services that is happening. but no across all three services that is happening . but the fact that is happening. but the fact of life is it's not just russia. we've got other who don't like us very much . the chinese, the us very much. the chinese, the iranians, the north koreans. so we need to keep arms bright if we're going to make our way in the world and we're going to defend our allies and ourselves . i don't wish chris to add to the hysteria. like your calm the hysteria. i like your calm and measured tone , which is why and measured tone, which is why i've got no doubt you were an extraordinary rear admiral, but give it to me straight is the worst case scenario . britain, if worst case scenario. britain, if we neglect spending , the worst we neglect spending, the worst case scenario is that nobody will take country seriously and. the fact of life is, if you can't organise your own defence and security , you can't really and security, you can't really organise much else . i think organise much else. i think people often say in this when the armed forces go, go to the dogs, then every other

institution will have gone . so institution will have gone. so it is a hallmark of our country know we've got a good proud military tradition. we're capable of using it for good around the world. we need to continue to do so for our own morale. so i'll give you an example . i was morale. so i'll give you an example. i was in morale. so i'll give you an example . i was in the falklands example. i was in the falklands war in 1982 and the we left had really experienced the winter of discontent. there were trade unions strikes. the country didn't actually feel very good about itself . five months later, about itself. five months later, i came back and it was a different . it had a spring in different. it had a spring in its step . everybody thought, its step. everybody thought, actually, this is worth fighting for. it's actually worse. the working for as well and my hope is that we can actually galvanise this great country and say look we've led from the front with regard to what's happening in ukraine going to help save ukraine an absolutely dreadful in moscow and because of that and i think you remember mark the elder elder the younger pit said you know we hope during

the polio wars that britain will save itself, by its exertions and europe by its . and i think and europe by its. and i think that's a very good motto for today to tell you the truth, a great motto . and i salute you great motto. and i salute you and your colleagues for your work in the falklands. very briefly , you can we've got to briefly, you can we've got to get to the news. what is your appraisal of , the war in appraisal of, the war in ukraine? is this going to be the forever war, as was described to me by historian martin whittaker 7 me by historian martin whittaker ? well, the way i see it going at the moment and i've been looking at some of the at the moment is we're about to see a major russian push possibly on more than one front. i think can have the major push in the south in the donetsk and luhansk region. there may be a thrust against odesa and against kyiv. can belarus. i think the russians have had that push and hopefully it's failed . i think hopefully it's failed. i think they will try and settle on the

lands that they've already taken . they'll consolidate their position there . and i think it position there. and i think it will settle down in what call a frozen conflict. and it will be a bit like north korea. korea were at the end of the korean war and you'll have stuff going across the front lines. spiro radically. i think what russia will try and do is wear down west and get to us that. it's all over and they'll keep prodding away. i suspect . all over and they'll keep prodding away. i suspect. i don't think putin's long for this world. i think i think everybody agrees he's either got parkinson's or cancer i think there's going to be a power struggle in the kremlin at some stage. but don't it's going to get any better in the kremlin. they're all like it . blimey, they're all like it. blimey, what a comprehensive and, illuminating answer, chris. a privilege to have you on the show . former ministry of defence show. former ministry of defence director rear admiral chris parry cbe. next up in my take at ten, why we're being blackmailed by the and what we can do about

it. that's my take it to end. go anywhere .

it's o'clock and this is mark dolan tonight in my take it ten in just a moment. why are we being blackmailed by the eu and what we can do about it? my mark meets guest , what we can do about it? my mark meets guest, a politician who's never short an opinion. the former mep david campbell bannerman , former right hand man bannerman, former right hand man to nigel farage, former deputy leader of uk hit. he'll be dropping some truth bombs in my mock meets session at quarter past ten. plus, we'll take our first look at tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 sharp in the news agenda with my panel is swearing at work a sackable offence and does being nice get you anywhere in life? it never me. lots to get through. but

first the headlines with the always nice bethany elsey . mark. always nice bethany elsey. mark. thank you. good evening . here's thank you. good evening. here's your top stories from the gb newsroom stream. and in the last houn newsroom stream. and in the last hour, the us military has shot down another high altitude object over lake huron in michigan . it's the fourth time michigan. it's the fourth time the pilot have shot down unidentified objects over north america in the past week. the first one was a suspected chinese spy brought down last weekend . since then, two more weekend. since then, two more object boats were shot down over alaska and another canada officials . they're still officials. they're still recovering and, analysing the wreckage . the number of people wreckage. the number of people who've been killed in the earthquakes that hit in syria on monday has risen to 33,000. officials say the window for finding survivors closing, but

several were pulled from the rubble alive today, including nine year old boy. he spent almost a week under a collapsed building. an appeal by the uk's disasters emergency committee has raised more than disasters emergency committee has raised more tha n £60 million has raised more than £60 million in just three days and. some more breaking news in the past half an hour. girl and a boy, both aged have been arrested on. suspicion of murder following the stabbing of a 16 year old girl in a park in cheshire. brianna gay warrington was found by members , the public with by members, the public with serious injuries on a pathway near colchester linear park yesterday afternoon . emergency yesterday afternoon. emergency services arrived . but she died services arrived. but she died at the scene and the labour party is urging the bbc chair to consider his after mps found he breached standards when applying the role. a cross—party committee , richard sharp, made committee, richard sharp, made significant errors of judgement when he failed to declare that

he'd help boris johnson to secure a loan when he was prime minister. shadow culture secretary lucy powell questioning whether he's still able uphold trust and independence in the broadcaster with report. it really is an unprecedented report means that mr. sharp's position is increasing untenable and really should now reflect on he's able to carry that very important role , adds the bbc chair to role, adds the bbc chair to a polled public trust and independence of the bbc . you're independence of the bbc. you're up to date on tv online and derby plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to . news. now it's back to. mark my news. now it's back to. mark my thanks to bethany, who returns in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan. tonight's big stories, big guests and always big opinions in the news agenda with my panel.

always big opinions in the news agenda with my panel . what do agenda with my panel. what do you think about swearing in the office? have you heard a colleague swear? i'm sure you have.is colleague swear? i'm sure you have. is a sackable offence. should you get in trouble if you swear work? it the wrong swear at work? is it the wrong thing do? or should let thing to do? or should let people themselves ? also people express themselves? also just being nice. get anywhere in life. we'll discuss that shortly . plus, tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 sharp with a full reaction. very excited about my mark meets guest tonight . mark meets guest tonight. outspoken politician david batman. nigel farage is former right hand ex leader of deputy leader of ukip. right hand ex leader of deputy leader of ukip . he wrote the leader of ukip. he wrote the ukip manifesto 2010, which was a very one. what does he think about ? brexit. what's his about? brexit. what's his appraisal of it's going on? what does he think of my colleague nigel farage? that's david c bannerman . just a few minutes, bannerman. just a few minutes, but first my take it an . an eu but first my take it an. an eu wouldn't believe it we're being

bullied and blackmailed by brussels . thank god we're out in brussels. thank god we're out in the context of a wider in relation to that rich northern ireland protocol which divides our country down the irish brussels is digging its heels in on an for britain to be a member of a multi—billion pound science collaboration called horizon one. well let me tell you, there's trouble on the horizon because under the impressive stewardship of michelle donelan, i'll brand new secretary of state for innovation and technology. britain is willing to walk away a strategy worked fantastically well when britain finally talked tough with the eu dunng finally talked tough with the eu during brexit negotiations. and we're not the time lord frost made , it clear to our friends made, it clear to our friends and neighbours across the channel that britain meant business. and if a satisfactory wasn't available, we were off

scale. well a comprehensive free trade agreement followed. it tells you everything you need to know . the culture of the eu , know. the culture of the eu, which is not a cuddly , which is not a cuddly, reciprocal, collegiate , reciprocal, collegiate, collaborative organisation. far from it, the eu is a vast political model which exists only to serve its own interests . i honestly don't think it even cares about its individual member states. look how they treated and the one size fits all. the euro is disaster for italian exports , for example. italian exports, for example. and it so much about the culture of that talk and ization that they're willing to sacro nice scientific enlighten and progress for political gain. that's nothing new. they were willing to sacrifice their self—interest when they spent years blocking a trade deal with the united kingdom . and let's the united kingdom. and let's not forget their outrageous behaviour after they messed up and hadn't ordered enough vaccines. they were seeking to

blockade britain's supply by the commission president, ursula von der leyen. briefly threatened to erect a hard between the repubuc erect a hard between the republic of ireland , northern republic of ireland, northern ireland, something they claim they were against during brexit negotiations and which they used as an excuse not grant us a deal . no empathy , morals, no . no empathy, morals, no integrity , total hypocrisy to integrity, total hypocrisy to make science a political pawn is unforgivable . all and so donelan unforgivable. all and so donelan has it clear to these bullying bureaucrats that we seek an independent partnership with switzerland japan and the united , if you've heard of them , no , if you've heard of them, no slouches in the old department. it doesn't have to be this way . it doesn't have to be this way. britain is a european. we have a long shared history with our continental cousins, not least almost decades of eu and previously eec membership. the

unforeseen reality for europe is that whilst they try to characterise brexit a disaster and that britain has been impoverished as result. i'm not sure that given the fact that country was the fastest economy in the g7 last year. everyone and their grandma wants to move here . and we avoided recession here. and we avoided recession the last quarter of 2022 and may avoid it altogether 2023. meanwhile germany deep in recession. you're welcome . recession. you're welcome. you'll never get away from the fact that britain imports more from the eu than we sell to them . so we are by an order of magnitude, the customer for their goods and services , and we their goods and services, and we can take our business elsewhere . punishing britain . brexit . punishing britain. brexit isn't great for us. i'll give you that, but it's arguably worse for eu member states and excluding our top and academics from will only hurt scientific

experts . but again, brussels , so experts. but again, brussels, so nakedly political they don't care . this cold war with the has care. this cold war with the has got to stop. we're out, folks. get it? move on, baby . we can get it? move on, baby. we can enjoy our and sovereignty and. establish a global whilst also pursuing a deep economic scientific , cultural and scientific, cultural and security partnership with the eu. with france , germany, with eu. with france, germany, with italy, with all great nations . italy, with all great nations. brexit can be a success not just for britain, but for the eu too. but they're going to have to stop playing these games. you don't have to be a scientist to realise this trivial soap opera doesn't anyone . what's your doesn't anyone. what's your view? mark adds gb news .uk. i'll get to your messages shortly. let's now to my

brilliant panel. we've got set nigel nelson, who is the political editor of two top british newspapers, the sunday people and the sunday mirror both cracking reads. i'm also delighted to. welcome back to the show. lin mei who is a political and social commentator and historian man about and svelte historian man about town and clotheshorse. nonetheless, it is wonderful. david bolt. david can i start with you? your reaction , the with you? your reaction, the possible exclusion of the kingdom from the horizon project ? never has an analogy been more often proves than that between us leaving the european union and a much abused spouse to leave a relationship . and as leave a relationship. and as even leave a relationship. and as ever, the european union proves itself absolutely incapable of magnanimity. absolutely incapable of accepting that the has it is at an end and proves itself incapable of restraining. it's obviously vindictive in here in nature, as you say, it doesn't seem to care much about its member states. what it cares aboutis its member states. what it cares about is building itself up into about is building itself up into a supranational bloc to give

itself delusions of grandly that itself delusions of grandly that it could possibly compete with the united russia, china, etc. i think if the european union cared about scientific innovation , it would wish this innovation, it would wish this relationship to continue . it relationship to continue. it does not. it cares about proving a point to the remaining nations , the european union, that if you to leave, we will punish you try to leave, we will punish you. and if you the temerity to think that life on outside think that life on the outside possible, all we can possible, we will do all we can to life difficult and, to make your life difficult and, horrid and impoverished. we mustn't give in to this the fundamental of it is rightly, as you said, that it is a blackmailing . we cannot give in blackmailing. we cannot give in to it . we mustn't give in to it. to it. we mustn't give in to it. and the european union must be shown. we show in the other shown. we must show in the other member states of the european that wish leave that if you wish to leave because longer find it because you no longer find it advantageous dislike because you no longer find it adv culture us dislike because you no longer find it adv culture within dislike because you no longer find it adv culture within it dislike because you no longer find it adv culture within it, dislike because you no longer find it adv culture within it , there like because you no longer find it adv culture within it , there ise the culture within it, there is life the outside and. indeed, life on the outside and. indeed, should the central european states, which are constantly berated european union, berated by the european union, wish join, be there wish to join, we would be there waiting on the outside waiting for them on the outside . open arms. me you could argue that our spirits are a bit

hypocritical . we are guilty of hypocritical. we are guilty of double standards . why should we double standards. why should we seek these privileges without ? seek these privileges without? the commitment and duties of membership. we're trying to have all cake and eat it again. well, i think that the actually would benefit from still working with us. i echo what david that we have the best universities in europe . we only have to go the europe. we only have to go the usa and other countries partner up in terms financing these projects and i think that they're going to shoot themselves in the foot. they are desperately trying to cling on. again brilliant like a desperate trying to hold onto a relationship we are going and for the simple fact that they behaviour is allowing other countries that are considering leaving the eu they're seeing what their behaviour actually all about and i'm glad for that if anything . well, nigel nelson, if anything. well, nigel nelson, any words of defence for the eu on this one. only the horizon is in the eu and we're no longer in

eu. i mean we're facing that. there was it was always going to be a cost to brexit. it doesn't mean that voting for it was wrong if you want british wrong if you want it. british sovereignty that was fine taking control in dominic cummings immortal words. but there's a cost that comes with it and remainers such as me didn't think was a price worth paying . think was a price worth paying. but you can understand that we can't join it. join different clubs in europe. now we've left . we can't send migrants back to france because we no longer have a deal with france. these are all the kind of course costs that we must pay for brexit doesn't mean brexit wasn't worthwhile . it just means we worthwhile. it just means we have to accept . there are pluses have to accept. there are pluses and minuses . a very, very and minuses. a very, very interesting . let's carry on that interesting. let's carry on that debate on email if we can . debate on email if we can. mark@gbnews.uk my mont means guest next in the wings nigel farage is former right hand man . he wrote the 2010 ukip manifest shadow which was incredibly popular. you could argue the manifesto that changed

the world. of course it contained the fundamental road map to brexit has now happened. david campbell—bannerman what a character . one of britain's most character. one of britain's most outspoken politicians is next. so don't go anywhere . the papers so don't go anywhere. the papers at exactly 1030 shops, they get the kettle on. i'll see you .

in two. welcome back to mark dolan tonight . and it's time for this tonight. and it's time for this . yes it's my daily interview slot . it's mark meats in which slot. it's mark meats in which we speak to the biggest names in the world of politics sport, showbiz and beyond . tonight, one showbiz and beyond. tonight, one of the most fearless and principled politicians , the principled politicians, the country former deputy leader of ukip and author of their ten election manifesto , election manifesto, campbell—bannerman david, is

also a top communications executive and is chairman of the conservative democrat organisation. david campbell—bannerman welcome to mark dolan tonight. i agree mark. thanks for the invitation and delighted to have you on the program . you have fought for program. you have fought for brexit, for decades. how do you feel it's going ? when i said we feel it's going? when i said we couldn't complete , we still got couldn't complete, we still got the northern ireland project called to sort out and you know we are the united kingdom and we represent all the four nations. we can't leave one of them behind. with the eu law and rule by the european court of . so by the european court of. so i think it's a really important issue to sort the protocol out . issue to sort the protocol out. and also we've got the retained eu law bill which is to get rid of 4000 eu laws , reform them. of 4000 eu laws, reform them. that's got to get through parliament, through westminster . so there's work on and we're saving the . money. £191 billion saving the. money. £191 billion on the covid programme the eu

has come outwith. that would be our share of 191 billion. but one and a half. nhs is so you know we're getting some the benefits but there's a lot more to come. indeed brexit david needs a new pr , doesn't it? needs a new pr, doesn't it? because it's characterised as a disaster . and my concern is that disaster. and my concern is that that message is starting to stick even if it's not true . i stick even if it's not true. i agree with you, mark i mean, i'm surprised the government. well there's on the barroso isn't doing to celebrate said it should mentioned day in day out because it is a central policy of the government and whether you like it or not is not rerunning the referendum. it is say well, these are the benefits brexit and they're not really mentioning it enough and they really need to push it and you know , we need to get some of the know, we need to get some of the myths , let's put it politely myths, let's put it politely countered . you know, there's a countered. you know, there's a lot of nonsense the economy we've had two years when we've

led the world, the g7 . we have led the world, the g7. we have the fastest growing economy , two the fastest growing economy, two years. and now like bbc, i'm afraid has been reporting as some sort of economic disaster we are going to lower growth , we are going to lower growth, which does actually illustrate why we need to cut taxation, in my view and was part of the big debates when this draws etc. but you know, let's get some these not the some of this nonsense countered and shot down rather like the balloon being shot down over america. well because i don't like brexit being mischaracterised i want the truth about brexit, but i don't want project doom and say that. david, as someone that voted , i david, as someone that voted, i voted remain because i thought they be short term economic impacts . i knew they be short term economic impacts. i knew in they be short term economic impacts . i knew in long term impacts. i knew in the long term we'd fine . but the bottom we'd be fine. but the bottom line is unlike so many in line is that unlike so many in the media, i accepted the result and i brexit to be a great success. you've quoted some quite extraordinary figures there. did you say that if we were still in the eu, we be responsible for a shared bill of

almost 200 billion? well, that be shared . the 191 billion would be shared. the 191 billion would be shared. the 191 billion would be our share of the wider eu programme vaccine . so we would programme vaccine. so we would be in for that when our budget contribution be out with the paying contribution be out with the paying for their army , which paying for their army, which they claim wouldn't exist, and they claim wouldn't exist, and the border force and environmental measures . no, i environmental measures. no, i mean, it's a nonsense and. i think rejoining is a nonsense . think rejoining is a nonsense. and we've got some really benefits coming through now like freeports, you know, 75,000 jobs in scotland alone and just two freeports, for example . so we've freeports, for example. so we've got to sell these and the government's got to start selling it harder . believe what selling it harder. believe what will indeed and i've been brexit since that fateful in 2016 because i'm a democrat and also part of me thinks and i thought at the time were always strong arguments brexit. i was worried about it's about economic but it's a transition. what are you going to expect the bottom line is that brexit is an insurance

policy against ever closer union being part the united states of europe insurance against a single european army , an single european army, an insurance policy against of single european army, an insurance policy against 0 f £20 insurance policy against of £20 billion a year which is over decades. the cost of the pandemic in this country an insurance policy . so many pandemic in this country an insurance policy. so many things are obviously our trade policy is also now. however david notwithstanding these positives, what would you say to who run small businesses , who are being small businesses, who are being effected by brexit, who can't export to the eu anymore? what about the business is broke or closed because of brexit? what would you say to them? well, look , i mean, it's i wouldn't look, i mean, it's i wouldn't argue that it's all perfect one way and there are some small businesses have got more paperwork access for that. but let's put it in context and this is not often done. it's only % of is not often done. it's only% of the british economy of a 7% that actually trades in goods with the eu. you've got another 6, which is but they're not subject

to tariffs and quotas , sort of to tariffs and quotas, sort of border controls so much they get so licencing so 7% of our economy is affect and with some more paperwork and the smaller companies do , you know, it's companies do, you know, it's more of a hassle. i accept that. but, you know, we saving big money now , cutting tariffs, you money now, cutting tariffs, you know, 20% tariffs on bananas have gone, for example, just one small example but i mean that means a lot in terms of cost of living and there's more tariffs that could be cut over time. i'm a great of free trade and of these free trade deals that we're doing at the moment. you and nigel together changed changed the constitu tional changed the constitutional direction path of this country. immeasurable lee in 2010, you wrote manifesto, the ukip manifesto . you were nigel's manifesto. you were nigel's deputy. tell me about your partnership with the big man . i partnership with the big man. i have huge regard for nigel and i

think i've seen him up close in the european parliament an mep you know he showed enormous courage. he's right down the front with all surrounded all these presidents of the parliament, the council and the commission was i the president commission was five yards away from him, a five metres and he used to say to me the noise , the used to say to me the noise, the noise he would say, you know that, you know , he got barrack that, you know, he got barrack so much, but showed enormous tenacity and courage , and i, tenacity and courage, and i, i think he deserves greater recognition, to be honest . i recognition, to be honest. i think he should be knighted in my view. but but you know , but my view. but but you know, but let's not forget though that the conservative party did actually pull it off. you that many it was sympathetic to same kind of view argue for the referendum and in the end it was the referendum that us out the european union. so i've seen it from both sides , you know, with from both sides, you know, with ukip , a campaign group for it

ukip, a campaign group for it and actually arguing forever them. i came back from ukip to argue for a referendum and i'm delighted we got it . but then we delighted we got it. but then we had to obviously win it. that was another whole game , you was another whole game, you know, and a huge challenge. but it was amazing. and at the end of the day did come down to the british people. it was the british people. it was the british people. it was the british people decided not nigel, not me, not it was the british people . and i salute british people. and i salute their courage and they were right to do it. their courage and they were right to do it . we need to right to do it. we need to deliver those brexit now for their sakes. what were your emotions when you woke up to the news in on that fateful day in 2016 that we were out relief and thanking the british people? i was actually at the count in manchester wonderful building a bit like sort of westman and they use a lot of films . bit like sort of westman and they use a lot of films. i was there and it was incredible . and there and it was incredible. and suddenly you're surrounded by 50

to 60 cameramen and four tv ese or five tvs and tell tv cameramen or shooting. and you went round the world actually that that picture those pictures went round the world but i just salute the people. it was relief really. i i believe in my country first as was driven me through whatever i've done with this and thank god we got out because the choice was actually superstate full steam ahead to the superstate with army and signing up to the euro or , signing up to the euro or, getting out and being a respectable all sovereign nation like canada or the united states or australia . yeah, and you or australia. yeah, and you know, we're doing fine those terms and we can do a lot better . david, are thrilled to have you on the show . let's chat you on the show. let's chat again soon. my thanks to our wonderful david campbell van inman. fascinating guy , former inman. fascinating guy, former deputy leader of ukip, the author of that fateful 2010 manifesto, which sowed the seeds

of brexit. thank you, david. your reaction market gbnews.uk . your reaction market gbnews.uk. do you have any brexit buyers regret? what's your appraisal of the project so far? i would argue it's a success because we were out it was delivered clearly some tweaks including the northern protocol. but we're getting there. that's my view. what's yours ? next up, we've got what's yours? next up, we've got the papers. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to mark. tonight, it's welcome back to mark. tonight, wsfime welcome back to mark. tonight, it's time now for this . yes, it's time now for this. yes, indeed. hot off the press. we've got tomorrow's papers and a brilliant new director on the show. iran is going to take us through them. so iran, let's start shall we, with the times newspaper , by the way, iran's newspaper, by the way, iran's doing a great job. can i have a

note to management is much better than sebastian times water firm is to be spared threats of hundred an d £50 threats of hundred and £50 million fines. water companies set to avoid big fines for spilling sewage into rivers and seas as ministers fear that multi pound penalties could backfire to raise coffee, the environment secretary is understood to believe that the fines of up to a quarter of a billion are disproportion and she's backing away from plans a consultation due open soon is expected to provide an opportunity to weaken these fines as regulators against crazy high penalties. now the times newspaper is launching a clean it up campaign to push the government and polluters to clean up rivers, lakes , beaches. clean up rivers, lakes, beaches. however, it looks like they've got their work cut out relation to that project trust backers urge hunt to boost growth with tax cuts . dozens of tory tax cuts. dozens of tory supporters of liz truss will submit a tax cutting manifesto

to jeremy hunt before the budget as they pressure on the chancellor to do more to boost growth . one of the most growth. one of the most prominent insisted today that the former prime minister's mini budget was not to blame for the market turmoil that forced her from office and the case for immediate tax cuts remains sound. sirjohn redwood called for sensible targeted tax cuts for sensible targeted tax cuts for businesses on, pensions and for businesses on, pensions and for the self—employed and that dozens of employees would signing up to a group that's seeking a smaller state, they are called conservative growth group, who i suppose be the reincarnation of the e r g. i'll be asking nigel about that shortly . the daily be asking nigel about that shortly. the daily mail be asking nigel about that shortly . the daily mail next shortly. the daily mail next secret plot to unravel brexit. lord frost tonight warned of a plot to undermine after leading remainers held a secret summit on eu relations. the tory peer said the gathering of prominent politicians business chiefs and civil servants showed a will to

unravel the deal that he helped negotiate with brussels . is negotiate with brussels. is a clear and present danger to project and in a clear attack on the government, he said ministers did need to fix brexit but rather brexit in full instead of racing taxes . the sun instead of racing taxes. the sun now while rescue miracles continue rishi sunak the prime minister praises sun readers , minister praises sun readers, their quake appeal tops. £1,000,000. well done to everyone at the sun for raising that astonishing amount of money for such an important cause. thanks. a million is the headune thanks. a million is the headline the guardian now. labour condemns catalogue of headline the guardian now. waste on government credit cards, luxury trips , meals among cards, luxury trips, meals among items billed the taxpayer. analysts find also bbc bbc chair's position increasingly untenable. we know that richard sharp organise a loan to boris johnson sharp organise a loan to boris johnso n £800,000. now he's johnson £800,000. now he's chairman of the bbc all the to connect it. is there anything to

see here? we'll debate that shortly to the newspaper sunak facing tory rebellion over sewage in uk . that's the old sewage in uk. that's the old sewage in uk. that's the old sewage story back there covered of course in the times for the is saying pm facing in the house of lords over his bid to scrap clean regulations as part of the post bonfire of eu red laws have been placed in place since 2000 and set environmental standards for all inland and coastal waterways across. europe. the independent murder hunt after a girl stabbed death and bbc board to consider chairman's as cash for boris backlash . metro it's a for boris backlash. metro it's a murky business. pressure grows for bbc chief to step down. also, the most shocking and appalling headline buried alive 150 hours. moment quake toddler rescued safe at last. a very, very small child who was under the rubble 150 hours was rescued

by medics. the financial times. china crossed. taiwan very frequently and also building floors . turkey arrests. floors. turkey arrests. developers over fears poor standards led to a higher death toll . at the daily star , our toll. at the daily star, our final newspaper. last but not least 15 degree valentine's day . few la la roses are red. violets are blue. sorry, paris will be much hotter than view on valentine's day. merci very much. that's right. valentine's day. merci very much. that's right . the valentine's day. merci very much. that's right. the uk will be hotter than the city of love. paris fantastic news days are your front pages. let's get reaction from the political editor of the sunday people and the sunday mirror, nigel nelson. social and political commentator lin mei and historian and broadcaster. david oldroyd bolt. let's have a look . this it let's have a look. this it really is one of the big stories that dominates at the times and the i newspaper, lynn water

firms to be spared threats of £250 million fines as far as i'm concerned, when it comes to cleaning up our rivers think these fines should be unlimited . what's your view. the thing is .what's your view. the thing is it's a because these it's a cycle because if these fines are enforced , they are fines are enforced, they are incredibly high. i think that the government is afraid they will scare off the investor but also they'll have a better excuse to not upgrade and they need desperate need to be upgraded. so they'll say if we have to pay for all of this, how do you expect us do both. are there parallels the windfall tax? david which might be well intentioned but could backfire ? intentioned but could backfire? i the parallels . i'm i don't see the parallels. i'm entirely in agreement you that these fines should be levelled . these fines should be levelled. this is a conservative party. what they seeking to what are they seeking to conserve, natural conserve, if not a natural waterways, not our rivers , waterways, if not our rivers, not the trout streams, the chalk streams, have been likened streams, which have been likened to england's amazon, an absolutely natural absolutely unparalleled natural resource. and today's coffees , resource. and today's coffees, i'm afraid, just playing into the worst of money minded conservatism here. we must these

things. it's why, when i was on your program on the 2nd of january, nominated fergal sharkey as my great britain because he has essentially taken on this campaign himself and got it to the level that they can now with fines. now be threatened with fines. and the companies don't take and if the companies don't take responsibility for the for the rubbish they've into our rubbish they've pumped into our systems then systems over the years, then they issues they must fined. these issues are more complex than at are always more complex than at first glance. they aren't. they the government are effectively in partnership with these firms to clean up rivers and to clean up our rivers and therefore a collaboration therefore it is a collaboration . might be lynne's point indeed. and environment is and environment agency, which is the body which regulates the overall body which regulates this, had to this, has over the years had to pay this, has over the years had to pay these pay finds itself. but these water firms have the day to day responsibility for what they're letting come out of the system into the rivers the there is also a problem with the highways agency which is not maintaining bulwark at the of roads motorways particularly the slope stopping sewage and other pollution slipping in from cars. so a multi—agency problem but if you have to start somewhere, start with the water, start with the people who bear the greatest

degree of day day degree of day to day responsibility . sometimes point responsibility. sometimes point either the trying to clean either the him trying to clean water regulation . this is water regulation. this is something a bit different. this is this is different than what they're doing. there is it's a bonfire of all the eu laws that we merged into british law and the idea is to get rid of all these by the end of the year, they've identified about 3700 that that ought to go. trouble is that things like clean water laws , part of them. those were laws, part of them. those were laws, part of them. those were laws that we were we adopted because that came from europe and is only the tip of the iceberg? you're talking about 265,000 bits of eu legislation and directives, agreements , and directives, agreements, treaties around building safety . any of those things. yeah. another tragic fire in keeping dangerous toys for instance because of our own regulation . because of our own regulation. yes, we can. but the problem is that you've then got to get what did was to make it easy for

business. we just wholesale took eu law and said that's now british law or now we're going to strip it out. so what it means is that these ones get lost without vote by employees. it'll be taken away. so we lose that until . they then bring back that until. they then bring back primary legislation and to return them back into british law . the danger return them back into british law. the danger is we will miss some along the way and it could have disastrous consequences. but tell us what, have our civil servants been doing in the past six, seven years, if not paying some to issues like this? why there not been a unit given the response ability for looking through those 265,000 pieces of legislation and putting force to parliament, which we keep parliament, which we should keep on parliament on your point, that parliament won't get a vote. yes, but in most cases they did get a vote on coming in. they on them coming in. they were grandfathered in and. great. that's yeah. that's true. absolute yeah. let's there's let's not pretend that there's some democratic deficit some kind of democratic deficit here, trying to here, which some are trying to do. the case something do. and in the case of something , water cleanliness, not , water cleanliness, it's not difficult get bill the on difficult to get bill on the on the statute through parliament and on the statute book quickly

the statute through parliament an dealthe statute book quickly the statute through parliament an deal with;tatute book quickly the statute through parliament an deal with thiste book quickly the statute through parliament an deal with this andyok quickly the statute through parliament an deal with this andyokfact,kly to deal with this and in fact, to deal with this and in fact, to legislation to to fine tune the legislation to make more specific to britain make it more specific to britain and generalised issue. so and not a generalised issue. so much that what they're much of this that what they're going to do it. they're going to do secondary legislation, do it by secondary legislation, which it much which means makes it much quicker. but mps get a chance to scrutinise . well, indeed. but scrutinise. well, indeed. but look, i come to the point look, i come back to the point we a service for we have a civil service for a reason. they doing this and reason. they be doing this and mp whether it's mp perhaps whether it's with a lot committees , well, of lot of committees, well, of course there is. we're leaving a trading been trading of which we've been a member for many years is trading of which we've been a m

sort. yep. i so these tend to be is a thorn in the of whichever prime minister has to actually deal with that the idea of this one this is all part of liz truss his big comeback and she's trying to clean up legacy and say look i was right along i may have got the timing a bit wrong. i may have gone a bit far , but i may have gone a bit far, but the market meltdown was that was nothing to do with me, which is obviously because it obviously nonsense because it was happened immediately was it happened immediately after the mini—budget which was such disaster . after the mini—budget which was such disaster. but after the mini—budget which was such disaster . but anyway, the such a disaster. but anyway, the bafic such a disaster. but anyway, the basic aim of this particular group is their argument and it's a simple economic one. they say growth comes from lower taxation. economists reckon that thatis taxation. economists reckon that that is probably be wrong on at a time of high inflation. what you don't do is pump money back into the economy. although the imf essentially been quite pessimist about britain's economic forecasts next year and they've included the high burden

of taxation as one reason why we'll have lower growth. well, i mean, they also blame a number of other things that they blame brexit for it . there's a whole brexit for it. there's a whole host of reasons we're not growing the basically is that, yes, you're right. that if you in ideal times if you put more money in the economy starts to grow but while got a high inflation if we put more money inflation if we put more money in inflation goes up so you think the tax cuts are inflationary. yes. so what you do is you get rid of it. so the idea is rishi idea, which i tend to support , is that you get to support, is that you get inflation under control, then you can move to tax cuts and that would then help growth , that would then help growth, which is exactly what margaret thatcher did in 1980. that's right. yes there was a bit of tough love , bit of unpleasant tough love, bit of unpleasant medicine for the first couple. but look, let's just be a little specific. you said economists say don't economic say tax cuts don't help economic growth . some economists would growth. some economists would say would say that say that, some would say that you look the overall you have to look at the overall burden taxation. what burden of taxation. think what we look at specifically we need to look at specifically is personal taxation. is is not personal taxation. it is

in for the moment, but in this for the moment, but corporation capital corporation taxes, the capital gains taxes that inheritance taxes , other non—inflationary taxes, other non—inflationary taxation , all forms of tax cut taxation, all forms of tax cut we can implement that makes this country appear more attractive internationally, allows internationally, that allows people keep more their people to keep more of their money, generationally money, generate generationally and starts people and that starts people essentially feeling a long term pinch. we've seen reports in the papers over this weekend about large companies not to large companies deciding not to base here move base themselves here or to move abroad because of the forecast corporation tax increase that i would say something could be reversed there being an reversed without there being an immediate effect immediate inflationary effect may have had an idea. liz truss . she was right all along. bring her back no see. i don't i don't hide. i like liz truss policies and i think that were innovative they were they were bold they were courageous however the key is to know the me the community. yeah, but whole point of the conservative party is to have that sort of logo attack says that's why they were voted along

with conserving a lot of conservative principles. that's not being done now. and i can't really tell the between the labour party and the conservative party, honest conservative party, i'm honest with and i think if they with you and i think if they have any leeway , especially have any leeway, especially especially with redwood, especially with john redwood, who love they will who i absolutely love they will get lot of backing for the simple fact whether you didn't like her policies or not. that's essentially who wanted sunak is unelect ted and that is a major issue . well, so i think if we issue. well, so i think if we are going see maybe tone down truss policies, she was a bit too a bit too bull in a china shop she'd have taken her time . shop she'd have taken her time. i still stand by her policy so do you think of sunak now? sunak and hunt? have they been a disappointment to you. oh, i can see they're doing what see why they're doing what they're doing. we have to be measured, especially in these unprecedented times . however, unprecedented times. however, i don't they have the don't think that they have the backing of the electorate . i backing of the electorate. i don't think hunt is very popular . so it's going to be interesting to see what a fascinating conversation which will continue after the break. we've got more stories from the

papers. also, a of issues we're going to debate swearing in the workplace. what's view on that? is it a sackable offence? also just being nice get you anywhere. that plus lots more stories in the papers. see you .

in three. back to the show. reacting to the big of the day. my fantastic panel of nigel nelson, who's the political editor of , the sunday political editor of, the sunday mirror and the sunday people . he mirror and the sunday people. he is the longest serving political in the country, not he's good, but because he's very hard to a bullet proof contract. also the unemployable david oldroyd bolt is a top historian and a very good of mine supreme political commentator may now , i'm glad commentator may now, i'm glad you guys didn't swear at my introduction there because an employment tribunal has ruled

that swearing in the workplace is no longer a big deal. an account manager claimed at a heanng account manager claimed at a hearing . a colleague said the hearing. a colleague said the f—word but the judge said the comment was fairly commonplace and had a lack of significance . and had a lack of significance. so you were allowed to say if to a top it begs the question is swearing in the workplace acceptable? is unacceptable? is it a offence, lynn? what do you think? oh, i think we should just read the room people know, especially if you're an adult in the when and when, not to say certain things. and i think there's a huge difference swearing at someone like you and realising there was a horrible email came in and you're not going to be on time and you're like, oh, thank yeah, that's it. that's a big this printer has run out of paper. there you go. there's nothing wrong with that. and i think if we start to nit picking every single that we can do the workplace. it'sjust do in the workplace. it's just to so miserable and we spend to be so miserable and we spend more the more of our time in the workplace than do our own

workplace than do with our own friends family so we can't friends and family so we can't be too on what we can and can't think. swearing in the workplace unprofessional. it's a sign of unkind emotion and it's vulgar. no, i don't agree . no adjectives no, i don't agree. no adjectives . i mean, you're using you you come from fleet street, which is a veritable sewer, but it's also changed a lot. i mean, there's a lot less swearing around . and i lot less swearing around. and i think what happens with think that what happens with something like that is that it goesit something like that is that it goes it goes through different phases. so if you go back to mediaeval times was religious swearing that was far more serious and sexual square swear anything blasphemous. no, no no it's yeah if i said god sucks, i can get away with it on this program , i wouldn't have been program, i wouldn't have been able to. have we been in the middle ages , but if i used middle ages, but if i used a sexual swear word, you drop off so there is a difference now. it's so on tv if it's used descriptively rather than actually is an attack on someone

i don't think it's any deal anymore. broadcasting in the middle ages . how many tv critics middle ages. how many tv critics describe gb news? but let me nigel , describe gb news? but let me nigel, careful. you describe gb news? but let me nigel , careful. you know describe gb news? but let me nigel, careful. you know , it was nigel, careful. you know, it was good joke . let's imagine you're good joke. let's imagine you're at an editorial meeting and you're discussing stories of, you're discussing stories of, you know, if you were to say, you know, if you were to say, you know, if you were to say, you know, oh, the sex acts, the bleep bleep, prime minister, i mean, would it eyebrows now? i probably wouldn't say it any longer . i probably wouldn't say it any longer. i think that i mean, he used to do that and you said any longer. yes, i know. i think we did used to swear an awful lot more, i you're absolutely more, but i you're absolutely right. on right. it depends on the circumstances. you're in. there are people i would swear are certain people i would swear in of certain shadow cabinet ministers and cabinet ministers, but not so. yeah, it depends on the person. but what time's bit more fun in their back in the day ? in the smoke with smoke day? in the smoke with smoke filled rooms . fleet street when filled rooms. fleet street when it was people were the likes of kelvin mackenzie in his pomp wasn't that was a lot more fun

era when people just express themselves? yeah well, i've worked for 30 editors and it rather depends on which one you choose that was a fun time. it's interesting, isn't those editors, they go and you stay . editors, they go and you stay. you know what? i don't want to find out is that i'm the connection, right across this man at your peril. connection, right across this man at your peril . what do you man at your peril. what do you think about this, david? swearing the office? oh, i don't think there's any particular problem with it other than that. it's unoriginal it's desperately unoriginal when you with you can swear everywhere with impunity. do something a impunity. why not do something a little more interesting, like wall. just your wall. i'll just use your vocabulary have something wall. i'll just use your vocabimillion have something wall. i'll just use your vocabimillion words|ve something wall. i'll just use your vocabimillion words|ve the nething like 5 million words in the engush like 5 million words in the english not english language. why not stretch instead of using stretch a bit instead of using the same 12? yeah. can you the same 12? yeah. and can you can be much subtler if can actually be much subtler if you don't swear and if you don't swear i think. and if you don't swear i think. and if you dislike someone it's you really dislike someone it's easier them easier to tell them without them realising you don't swear. yeah, but this is talking about expression on when for example, there's more paper. what of those. what would you use. it's, it's more of just to get it out. you wouldn't. well if you use interesting words things where david. i've never actually. yes

but i tried to swear i don't really actively . yeah exactly. i really actively. yeah exactly. i see hugo rifkind wrote a really decent piece on this in the times a couple of years ago. unusual? yes i know it was one of his few. it was actually reading. but talking editors, reading. but talking of editors, well, depends on well, of course, it depends on context because. well, kelly may have day long i don't have sworn all day long i don't know, for him. and know, i never work for him. and paul certainly is reputed know, i never work for him. and pa have certainly is reputed know, i never work for him. and pa have done�*rtainly is reputed know, i never work for him. and pa have done i:ainly is reputed know, i never work for him. and pa have done i:ainly it reputed know, i never work for him. and pa have done i:ainly it wouldd to have done i think it would have in the case of charles moore william rees—mogg. i moore or william rees—mogg. so i think, things think, you know, these things will depend a little bit of context whether all context and whether it's all male company, it's a mixed company, whether female company, whether it's female company depends, i think on the type that's permissible type swearing that's permissible either professionally or socially . there isn't. it socially. there isn't. was it now men should not use, i would say because i'm fashioned in say because i'm old fashioned in the women that they the company of women that they would and it would be able to use and it would be able to use and it would perfectly fine in the would be perfectly fine in the company men equally company only of men equally or worse, would use only worse, that women would use only in of other women in the company of other women that use the that they wouldn't use in the company men. like to hear company of men. i like to hear someone swear that you would never think would like never think would swear like yes. oh, just that used to be i used to work for this really uptight ceo and. she would everything would be prim and

proper and she lost it proper and one day she lost it and said f we were like, and she said f we were like, yes. well yes, it has a little more. this is the fright, stephen fry's great wit when he when he swears because he's so eloquent when says it eloquent that when he says it then yeah, you do laugh, because he says it oscar wilde or he says it like oscar wilde or something. comedians something. and some comedians get for not swearing get praise for not swearing in their peter kay . many their acts like peter kay. many people going to people love that. we're going to discuss being nice gets discuss whether being nice gets you . well, all of you anywhere. well, all three of you anywhere. well, all three of you i you've done quite you and i see you've done quite well. i think answered well. so i think we've answered that my wonderful that one. can thank my wonderful panel david oldroyd, both lin panel of david oldroyd, both lin mei and at nigel nelson really enjoyed your company all of this weekend. thank so much for all of the emails. of course on dab+ radio . i am back on friday at radio. i am back on friday at 8:00 mark dolan and next weekend we shall spend together. can't wait for the week after . we shall spend together. can't wait for the week after. i'll be looking after dan wootton tonight . so looking after dan wootton tonight. so look at looking after dan wootton tonight . so look at lots looking after dan wootton tonight. so look at lots and lots of stories that never gets bonng lots of stories that never gets boring here at gb news or on mark dolan tonight. let me tell you headliners with you the headliners with tomorrow's next

tomorrow's papers all next season . get evening. my name's season. get evening. my name's rachel as i'm welcome to our latest weather update from the met office. it's been quite a cloudy day today and that's not going to change much as we head overnight, though it remain dry for most now. all the settled weather is due to this high pressure that we've had across the uk for some time now. but as we head about midweek, we might just start to see some fronts creeping in from west. but creeping in from the west. but back tonight and it's quite a back to tonight and it's quite a cloudy picture once again, we might see a few clear across northern ireland areas through tonight and here we could see some mist and fog forming remaining dry though as i say , remaining dry though as i say, quite mild too, with a patchy frost in. some rural areas, particularly in the north and east, so quite a mild and cloudy to the new working though as we go through the morning that mist and fog will lift and bright as will the cloud making for much brighter afternoons with plenty

of spells across the uk for the second half of monday temperatures will be around or just above average for the time of year, with highs around 10 to 12 in the south. now looking ahead to monday and there'll be plenty of clear spells around through monday evening . and this through monday evening. and this could lead to some mist and fog forming, particularly across east anglia and south england. now looking for the west and cloud and outbreaks of rain will start to move in from the as we head into the start of tuesday so a milder night here but cooler in the east under clear andifs cooler in the east under clear and it's here we could once again see a patchy rural frost so a cool start in the east on tuesday but with plenty sunny spells cloud making its way in from the west just bringing outbreaks of light rain drizzle across northern and western areas to start tuesday and the weather isn't set to change too much throughout the rest of next, although we might see some rain around midweek and temperatures will remain at or just above average .

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