channel tonight on farage, a community protest in knowsley on merseyside turned violent on friday night, leaving people being labelled as far right. all the people of that part of liverpool really, far right. we'll talk about that brexiteers summit . no we'll talk about that brexiteers summit. no rejoin us summit. michael gove and lord mandelson working together to achieve what.7 i'm not sure . we'll talk what.7 i'm not sure. we'll talk about supply spy. britain's big shot down four of them over the course of the weekend lebron housing joins on talking points he's the ceo stay show the big travel company he's going to tell you how to become a successful entrepreneur. all of that after the news with polly

middlehurst . nigel, thank you. middlehurst. nigel, thank you. it's 7:00 and the top stories on gb news tonight. downing street has refused to comment on spy balloons potentially being spotted all over the uk . the spotted all over the uk. the united states says it's not yet been able to identify recent objects found in north american airspace after shooting down a fourth object in just over a week. rishi sunak said the country does have the military capability to keep the nation's skies safe . we have something skies safe. we have something called the quick reaction alert force, which involves typhoon planes, which are kept on 24 seven readiness to police our airspace, which is incredibly important. i can't obviously comment in detail on national security matters , but we're in security matters, but we're in constant touch with our allies . constant touch with our allies. and as i said, we'll do whatever it takes to keep the country safe . and the white house in safe. and the white house in america has been at pains to say

there is no indication of extraterrestrial activity . it extraterrestrial activity. it has said china has a high altitude balloon program to gather intelligence . we assessed gather intelligence. we assessed whether they were sending any communications signals. we detected none. we looked to see whether they were manoeuvring or had any propulsion capabilities. we saw no signs of that. we did, however , assess that their however, assess that their altitudes were considerably lower than the chinese high altitude balloon and did pose a threat to civilian commercial aircraft. and while we have no specific reason to suspect that they were conducting surveillance of any kind , we surveillance of any kind, we couldn't rule that out. now, rescuers in southern turkey have saved several children . today, saved several children. today, a full week after a devastating earthquakes shook the region. the 13 year old boy and a ten year old girl were among those pulled out alive from the rubble of collapsed buildings. having been buried for more than one 8 hours, the number of people that

have died in both turkey and syria has now risen to 37,000 as officials say the window of finding any remaining survivors is closing . an appeal here by is closing. an appeal here by the uk's disaster is emergency committee has so far raised more tha n £60 million. nato has said than £60 million. nato has said a new russian offensive in ukraine has already begun . ukraine has already begun. secretary general install altenburg said today he sees no signs of russia preparing for peace as moscow has been sending in yet more troops and weapons. he believes ukraine now needs fighterjets he believes ukraine now needs fighter jets and he believes ukraine now needs fighterjets and long—range fighter jets and long—range missiles to counter any new attack and to recapture lost territory . and lastly, territory. and lastly, buckingham palace has said this afternoon the queen consort has tested positive for covid after suffering from what she thought were just cold symptoms . gb news were just cold symptoms. gb news understands remains in good spirits and is resting up, but is said to be disappointed . is said to be disappointed. she's unable to make this week's engagements across the country.

camilla was forced to postpone a visit to the west midlands earlier today. visit to the west midlands earlier today . you're up to date earlier today. you're up to date on tv , online and dab, plus on tv, online and dab, plus radio. this is gb news, the people's channel, where now it's time for . time for. farage good evening. while the scene was knowsley on merseyside, it was knowsley on merseyside, it was friday evening . and what was friday evening. and what happened? there had been away for months and it was to do with young men and a migrant hotel. parents of a school , girl school parents of a school, girl school just down the road , becoming just down the road, becoming increasingly concerned . now, of increasingly concerned. now, of course, mainstream media will tell you there is no hard evidence but a strong belief in that community that young men living in that hotel were talking to girls , often underage talking to girls, often underage girls. and a video emerged and that seemed to light the blue

touch paper. as far as the community was concerned. they announced they'd be holding a protest, which led to a counter—protest from care for kayleigh . and then something kayleigh. and then something extraordinary and really rather horrible happened . some young horrible happened. some young men turned up dressed in black with backpacks , carrying with backpacks, carrying sledgehammers and fireworks and they proceeded to smash in the front windows of a police van. that led to condemnation from right across the political spectrum. foreign office minister andrew mitchell said the violence was completely unacceptable. what we agree with that , mr. mitchell, he said we that, mr. mitchell, he said we have a duty, a duty to look after these people. well, yes , after these people. well, yes, but equally they have a duty to behave leas that a&e shadow levelling up secretary said all of this was a result of a toxic mixed of the anti—migrant rhetoric coming from the government . and clare moseley ,

government. and clare moseley, the founder of the so called refugee charity care for calais, said she was worried about the poor men in the hotel and she was trying to get in with them. well clare are thought you've got all their phone numbers already after all. care for calais? meet people in the camps in dunkirk. give them advice . in dunkirk. give them advice. how to cross the english channel and then often meet them on the beachesin and then often meet them on the beaches in kent with food parcels and all else. i wouldn't have thought you were short. particularly of phone numbers. tim hilton of refugee action talked about people , a baying talked about people, a baying mob who are the far right. whether you want to be called it or not. and local mp sir george howarth said , those howarth said, those demonstrating against refugees at the protest do not represent this community well mr. howarth. i've got news for you. they really do represent that community. what i don't know is who those young men in those

black uniforms were . i have no black uniforms were. i have no idea who they were . well, they idea who they were. well, they far right. could they have been antifa. i simply can't answer that question, but i'm pleased to say that in the last hour, merseyside police have confirmed that it was initially a peaceful protest and then some people arrived and it turned violent. let me ask you, you at home, do you think the of knowsley should be called far right? let me know your thoughts. farage at gb news is .uk . your thoughts. farage at gb news is .uk. nobody has been speaking up on behalf of that community. it's simply hasn't been allowed . and when you approach members of that community in knowsley and ask them to speak, there generally, just to terrified to do so , they worried, i guess do so, they worried, i guess that they show their face and the national media will be knocking on the door the next day going through every facebook post they've ever made and perhaps making their life a misery. i also think that much

of the rhetoric that we've had from sky news, the bbc , from sky news, the bbc, mainstream politicians , is to mainstream politicians, is to say, don't any of you ever dare protest ? what about migrant protest? what about migrant hotels ? or you'll be classed as hotels? or you'll be classed as far right, too. we've seen very similar tactics today with the protest at ireland. my fair , my protest at ireland. my fair, my genuine fear is that we're only at the beginning of this process. i'm hoping , praying process. i'm hoping, praying that all these young men , those that all these young men, those that all these young men, those that are throwing their passports into the english channel that are coming into this country. my prayer, we do not become like malmo and stockholm in sweden. well, joining me down the line, merseyside freelance journalist justin dunn. justin, good evening and thank you for me, nigel . joe, just then tell me nigel. joe, just then tell me something. what think of knowsley. i think of one of the

safest labour seats in the country a place that has voted labour.i country a place that has voted labour. i mean, is knowsley a hotbed of the far right? please help the idea of finding almost anybody who is far right and or indeed merseyside as a whole is, is, is like this is like trying to find white dog poo in the nonh to find white dog poo in the north pole . it isn't going to north pole. it isn't going to happen. north pole. it isn't going to happen . it doesn't exist . these happen. it doesn't exist. these are genuinely concerned mums and dads and uncles . and as always, dads and uncles. and as always, because it's liverpool, liverpool gets kick . in yes. liverpool gets kick. in yes. i think there is something to liverpool does always attract it seems in a negative national media headlines. but tell me something have we any idea who these really dangerous people

were that turned up with the sledgehammers? who the hell were they ? in all honesty , i couldn't they? in all honesty, i couldn't tell you. i spoken to, as you know , quite a few people over know, quite a few people over the weekend . we know the always the weekend. we know the always lunatics and fools who turn up to these things . sadly, what to these things. sadly, what happens ? but we know this from happens? but we know this from protests around the country. never mind i and you'll always get idiots . this was started out get idiots. this was started out as a peaceful protest. as you pointed out earlier , to say that pointed out earlier, to say that we're not happy these mums and dads who had gone to the council, they'd gone to the police, they think complaints all the people are meant be able to complain to and no one listened. so when they advertise that they were going to have their own proto fest obviously counter—protests got organised. then we saw what happened on friday. i don't know who the

sketch of people are, but i can very much vouch that they were nothing to do with the people who actually organise the protest in the first place and as a freelance journalist , the as a freelance journalist, the north—west of the country has seen a higher proportion migrant hotels than any other part of the uk. it's been going on now for the last three years. yeah, do you do. you believe there genuinely is evidence that makes these parents, uncles and aunfies these parents, uncles and aunties concerned? does the evidence exist ? well i can evidence exist? well i can honestly not answer that question properly, nigel, because i don't have to information at my fingertips. and it would be wrong to do otherwise. however what is interesting is that why is it always these poor communities that these people are sent to a

never the rich ones? i don't see hostels opening kensington of islington or highbury or highgate or wherever. and i'm sure there are some in the south of england , but they tend to be of england, but they tend to be in poor communities. of england, but they tend to be in poor communities . and we just in poor communities. and we just don't. that's a very, very sad point then. and if we dare to say anything you and i have previous on this. yes, we should . when it happened in hoylake previously is that if you dare to say anything that you are a racist or you're a bigot or i, it's it is. these people are not. it's shocking. it's shocking. well, labour voters. nigel, darling within the wall labour and i'd actually in just in thank you and i got one of them on the line right now i've got on the line now from

knowsley . ged they're terrible knowsley. ged they're terrible things about your community and what's why do you have a problem? is the question why do you have a problem with that migrant hotel and the young men in it ? well, first of all, we're in it? well, first of all, we're not racist . never have been not racist. never have been liverpool or for years. there's welcome refugees, which everyone knows that most most scousers immigrants . anyway, what i wish immigrants. anyway, what i wish so . the reason this is all come so. the reason this is all come to fault. understand that one, virgil been going on for months . the pain and the common problem that joe going into local skatepark and trying enfice local skatepark and trying entice young girls where they stop. i lovano jamie croxteth where of their that nice the people up change up where people go they were moms dads grandad grandmother this just was brought . it was just it was just brought. it was just it was just dance to say we want people to listen to us and people to come

to the estate and start stopping us because it's going on. no one should be stopping it, but also yet we'll check it out. we'll do that. yet we'll check it out. we'll do that . and you know, why doesn't that. and you know, why doesn't that. and you know, why doesn't that care for a coach be for the people teach what she's saying that kids are vulnerable . we're that kids are vulnerable. we're all here for our kids when all want our kids to be safe. we're vulnerable. our kids. our kids can't go to school without getting a taste . a school in getting a taste. a school in knowsley village evacuated. you know , because the immigrants and know, because the immigrants and the local lock in through the fence at the kids i'm not too fox while all we want we want safety for our kids . and as you safety for our kids. and as you said i've no women and that'll travel. i live my life from trump. i've seen women. i've she loads young men. you were playing football on the local pitch to them on the local pitch playing football . i haven't seen playing football. i haven't seen a women yet. we're making i have to say . no, no, no. i have to

to say. no, no, no. i have to you know, the general point that liverpool has been one of the most welcoming places over the centuries is absolutely right. and yet get what i talk to members of your community over the last couple of days . people the last couple of days. people are scared to speak out, aren't they? afraid everyone seems to be. if you say think you're petrified because the is upon . petrified because the is upon. that's why people afraid to speak. because they think the news to jump on that makes it more notable. i don't care . i more notable. i don't care. i suppose. more notable. i don't care. i suppose . what is about our kids? suppose. what is about our kids? not is not. the liverpool city centre follows my niece goes into town and i do get your phone for me to stop many of them in the city centre as it's not just the but won't to say knowsley is not racist . i'm not knowsley is not racist. i'm not that demonstration was not racist . it was not race. it was racist. it was not race. it was a bar but safety for that kids get , i a bar but safety for that kids get, i have a bar but safety for that kids get , i have to a bar but safety for that kids get, i have to say thank you for

coming on and speaking out on behalf of that community. and i hope everybody hears that message articulate , loud and message articulate, loud and clear. thank you for joining message articulate, loud and clear. thank you forjoining me clear. thank you for joining me down the. well there we are. you tell me you tell me. viewers and listeners do , you think the listeners do, you think the people of knowsley are far right? i don't think they are. for one moment in a second, will. why, michael gove chose to meet david lammy. peter mandelson , many others to mandelson, many others to discuss the failing kings of brexit and how we can get a closer relationship with the european union is the biggest sell—out in history about to begin .

well, your voices are in and you're pretty clear in your thoughts about whether the people of knowsley should be

called far right . paula says no, called far right. paula says no, they aren't . they just care they aren't. they just care about their children's safety like i do. and when you listen to ed just before the break, he was on with me down the line. i mean, there was real passion and genuine concern i felt in that voice voice . one says to me, no, voice voice. one says to me, no, maybe some of them are , who maybe some of them are, who knows? but i'm sure vast majority were concerned and citizens. and in similar vein, carl , some citizens. and in similar vein, carl, some will be citizens. and in similar vein, carl , some will be clearly many carl, some will be clearly many will be normal . you know, normal will be normal. you know, normal people sick of the policy of housing economic migrants without local agreement. karl thatis without local agreement. karl that is right. and it's also worth saying that the north—west has borne the biggest brunt of this of any part of the country. and you go right across merseyside . i've been to merseyside. i've been to hoylake, i've been right next to the exclusive open championship course that hotels fill up and

get . again said in his testimony get. again said in his testimony there are hotels right across liverpool that are full and that leads to a lot of men aimlessly around and frankly no good can come of that . i've also made the come of that. i've also made the point before i'd have been shouted down for it, but i'll make it again. that many of these young men come from country is in which women aren't even second class citizens . they even second class citizens. they have completely different social attitudes towards women, completely different levels of tolerance towards homosexuality and everything . and we are we and everything. and we are we are storing up for ourselves just the most enormous social problems . just the most enormous social problems. now thought in 2016. what are the reasons to vote brexit? was we actually get back control of our borders that simply has no been the case as the number coming illegally across the channel rocket some numbers coming legally under

this government have hit an all time record . but that wasn't the time record. but that wasn't the reason . that wasn't the reason reason. that wasn't the reason for the big ditched in oxfordshire which took place on thursday and friday of last week. it was chaired by lord mandl and it was attended by david lammy , john healey, chad , david lammy, john healey, chad, the defence secretary was there. i would of course blacks i smithkline were there and yes, you guessed it, goldman sachs. goldman sachs had to be there. i mean , these were the chief mean, these were the chief globalist remainer. mean, these were the chief globalist remainer . they are now globalist remainer. they are now rejoining us. but what the hell was michael gove and a couple other senior retired conservatives? what in god's name were they doing that? what we've been told is they were trying to deal with the economic failings of brexit, the need to get back into a closer

relationship with the european union and then i thought quite chillingly they also discussed defence integration and whether we should have a common policy towards china . well, ben habib towards china. well, ben habib london based property businessman and former brexit party mep joins me me. businessman and former brexit party mep joins me me . what on party mep joins me me. what on earth is michael gove up to? do you have any idea? i don't think michael gove is a brexiteer. nigel i know he campaigned for brexit, but the balloon went up for me back in 2017 when he said that we can't leave the eu without a deal. and if you believe the united kingdom should be an independence sovereign nation, you then don't seek a deal. you should be prepared to leave without a deal . of course, a deal on the right terms is worth having. but if thatis terms is worth having. but if that is be all and end all of leaving, you're not leaving . if leaving, you're not leaving. if you announce during negotiation that you must have a deal, you undermine your negotiating

completely. it's one of the first things i said when i became when i joined the brexit party on the 12th of april 2019. the minute you announce that you're prepared to leave without a deal, the counterparty this case, the eu knows it's got you by the shorten culture and that's precisely what's happened. not that bad. you're a successful businessman, so you shouldn't be commenting on things but it does things like this. but it does seem be that we had people negotiating a deal that had never , ever done a day's work in never, ever done a day's work in the private sector or put deals together. yeah. never and clearly incompetent . you know, clearly incompetent. you know, we had what you know, what triggered me was what triggered me. i was a mild eurosceptic, but what triggered me was osborne saying that we'd have a massive recession if we voted to leave colony, saying that he had to pu t £250 leave colony, saying that he had to put £250 billion to aside the banksin to put £250 billion to aside the banks in the event we voted to leave. of course, none of those predictions came true. we were absolutely no . but the british

absolutely no. but the british economy is flatlining. we business confidence at the lowest levels i've known for literally for decades. the of a brain drain and a lot of think tanks suggesting that we're losing several percentage points of our gdp every year as a direct result of brexit. well, it's complete. and that was brought this summit together. but it's completely wrong that conflating issues and they're attributing that to brexit failed conservative party policy for 13 years. the whole point about brexit was to create an india pendent nimble trading thatis india pendent nimble trading that is the uk putting british national interests first and unhooking ourselves the eu. what we've got is a highly bureaucratic, highly regulated, highly taxed interfering state that's bigger than ever. the civil service is completely out of control. the interference in pubuc of control. the interference in public services is completely out of control. the interference in business is out of control. this government help itself, but

interfere in the private sector and it views the private sector with antipathy . as we came out with antipathy. as we came out of two years of lockdown, nigel instead of taking the pressure off the private sector by cutting business rates, for example, or cutting corporation tax, they're putting it up. they're putting up. and we saw last week , astrazeneca is not last week, astrazeneca is not going to set up in the united kingdom. it's going set up in ireland where the tax rate is 12 and a half percent and that's got nothing to do with brexit, nothing to do with brexit and the other elephant in the room, of course, is lockdowns which decimated the uk economy, broke the labour markets , did added the labour markets, did added 33% to our national debt in two years. rishi sunak, who talks about the need to pass that on to the next generation, added more debt to this country's balance sheet than any chancellor in history. but ben habib, the problem is you were late convert to this belief that we should break free of the european union. i was doing it for getting over decades our

problem is there is a general sense of disappointment in the country about . brexit. how can country about. brexit. how can it be? but the issue here nigel , not that brexit is failed. it's they failed to deliver brexit. as you know myself , a brexit. as you know myself, a number of other unionists brought a case against the government last week which was adjudicated last by the supreme court over the northern ireland. why did we bring that case? because the northern ireland protocol basically condemned ireland to being in the eu single market for goods. we knew that that was not the united kingdom leaving as one united kingdom. that's what boris johnson promised. he promised the country would leave the eu as one united kingdom. when we vote it on that bit of paper, it said, do you wish the united kingdom to leave the eu not great britain and the northern ireland? protocol is not just important to northern ireland. it's very important . british it's very important. british citizens in great britain. i mean, this was one of the biggest lies of all, been fine

with all of this. there are many that will say , given what's that will say, given what's happening in ukraine right at the moment, given worries over taiwan , that actually what was taiwan, that actually what was discussed actually makes sense, that maybe we should have closer military cooperation with the eu . that is not that's an argument we're more of. i mean, the one thing that should be self—evident to anyone out of ukraine is that we must never be allied to the eu over foreign. the eu tried undermine our position on iraq. it tried to undermine sanction on iran. it takes a friendly attitude to china when china needs to be challenged. it was sidling to ukraine, poking the bear, if you like, for years. and when it came the fight, actually germany had hooked itself on an addiction of russian fuel . you addiction of russian fuel. you couldn't invent it and i don't know if you know this, but german has bought know if you know this, but german has bought ,50 billion worth of russian fuel since

sanctions began. germany is financing the russian war effort thank goodness. so better off bed much better off mismanaging our own country . we will i mean, our own country. we will i mean, we're very good at mismanaging. but what we've got do, nigel, is really brexit properly take control of our laws, our borders , our cash, our fish, get northern ireland back into the united kingdom and then short of a charter path that is for the british people , not for the british people, not for the europeans, not the globalist agenda, but for us. that's what the people said . the passion is the people said. the passion is still there. i'm pleased to see it, but it's certainly gone with michael gove in a moment. what on earth is going on in the skies over north america . could skies over north america. could it be happening here . all of it be happening here. all of that in 2 minutes time.

well, a series of balloons or smaller objects being shot down over the course of the weekend. there's been a press conference over the course of the last houn over the course of the last hour, john kirby from the us. national security council said china has , a high altitude china has, a high altitude balloon that is linked to the army in response earlier on today, china claimed that the us has high altitude balloons flying over their airspace and it's happened ten times in the last year to which kirby responded. there is no us surveillance or aircraft in chinese airspace were helping us to unpack some of this or help us to try and unpack some of this because it's quite tough to get our heads around. is andrew fine, white house correspondent with the independent andrew goodman. well, good afternoon your time . at the first object your time. at the first object that was shot down, as i understand it was a big what was being shot down over the course

of the weekend . well we're not of the weekend. well we're not quite sure . and the white house quite sure. and the white house isn't saying much. they're calling them objects and what they have said is that they assessed that these objects posed threats , civil aviation, posed threats, civil aviation, because unlike the chinese balloon , these were at much balloon, these were at much lower altitude and could interfere with civil aircraft, airliners and such. so they were brought down. but the white house also has said that they assessed that these were as far assessed that these were as far as they can tell or willing to say right now, engaged in espionage. they did not have capability of moving on their own . they did not detect signals own. they did not detect signals coming from them. but because they couldn't rule it out and they couldn't rule it out and they posed the threat to civil aviation . they were shot down aviation. they were shot down and these are genuinely unidentified flying objects . i'm

unidentified flying objects. i'm sure some people are speculating about that . yes, but the white about that. yes, but the white house also said today this these were not extraterrestrials , so were not extraterrestrials, so not aliens is probably a good thing because . we've now shot thing because. we've now shot down three of them. and if they were aliens, they might be a bit ticked off right now . that's a ticked off right now. that's a very good point . now, what about very good point. now, what about the counterclaim you know, i mean , we've no idea, you know , mean, we've no idea, you know, we were told by some sources these kind of balloons had flown over many continents, not just nonh over many continents, not just north america , but the north america, but the counterclaim from china is that america is in exactly the same kind of activity . it would be kind of activity. it would be surprising, wouldn't it, andrew , if america wasn't intelligence gathering in china in some way. it would be. and i assume you're talking about the first balloon that was shot down off the coast

of south carolina last week. john kirby said this morning that the us does not have the sort of balloon surveillance program that has been described by us officials as being operated by the chinese and that would track with a lot of what we know about us. intelligence capabilities. we do have a lot of satellites , which for most of satellites, which for most part wouldn't negate the need for balloons . yeah, yeah , yeah. for balloons. yeah, yeah, yeah. no, quite. andrew, thanks for coming on and joining us. we'll wait and see as this mystery unfolds. and quite right, are 70 satellites out there . satellites out there. unbelievable. time for a quick what? the fridge moment. i have been for a very long time that unless we leave the european convention on human , the e c h convention on human, the e c h and its associated in strasbourg, unless do that, we will not solve the migrant

crisis and that any attempt by government to put in new legislation is frankly fiddling around the edges . and i was around the edges. and i was really pleased to see the morning in the daily telegraph centre page. nick timothy , who centre page. nick timothy, who of course was a very senior adviser to theresa may now writing a piece himself . britain writing a piece himself. britain cannot protect its borders within the h r. we must leave. i tell you what, this is gaining momentum . it's splitting the momentum. it's splitting the conservative right down the middle . it is almost like the middle. it is almost like the brexit battle revisited. but then, unless we do this. we haven't actually completed brexit. that's my view. we'll debate much more of that over the coming months. in a moment, ryan howsam joins me. he is a big success entrepreneur, but he's had one or two ups and downs on. the way to get there, the station group. many of you perhaps will take it out. travel insurance with hit me with the talking points in a couple of

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well, we'll see. it's time for talking pies. my favourite time of the night. ryan howsam is a yorkshire entrepreneur. welcome to the program . thank you. now to the program. thank you. now we've got to learn. ron about various ups and downs of your life. quite a few downs and maybe we can learn some lessons from it. so you're a council house boy? yeah. from sheffield . you don't like school very much. well, i got thrown out a—levels, so it wasn't that bad. you got kicked when you go as far as i. yeah, well, i wanted to be a golfer. you know, that's why you wanted to be a golfer at that age. yeah. yeah i mean, i wasn't quite good enough, but that would have been the big dream. that would have dream. yeah, that would have been the big dream. but in the end, you decide to become a door to salesman. yeah, well,

to door salesman. yeah, well, i started knocking doors, started knocking on doors, selling. actually selling. well, it was actually opening leeds for salesmen to go in sell . and then i'd go on in and sell. and then i'd go on to a closing. and that was to start a closing. and that was my, my start into sales and. theni my, my start into sales and. then i learned everything from like a tomahawk and zig ziglar and all that type of stuff. the door to door. yeah, the hard way. i was brought double glazing and yet within a few years making quite a lot of money, made a lot of money and lost a lot of money. yes. what makes a good salesman? the ability . listen, listen . a ability. listen, listen. a question . isolate, answer, question. isolate, answer, confirm, close . that was the confirm, close. that was the that was what the mantra was about the other mantra. but what makes a good sound as well is that quality. i think the ability to understand what the customer wants and then to guide them and let them think that they've made the decision to buy.so they've made the decision to buy. so you don't sell them stuff that really they. well, i did at that point. yeah. that's at least honest. yeah but you that you want to become an

entrepreneur. yeah i me as soon as i saw you know i could make money from the top about background that i was and it was i mean golf became a thing of the past and i just focussed on. yeah did you tell from your background was hard for background that it was hard for you in the world of business or not. not at all. but you know, i didn't really know anything about business. i just, you know, i just learned as much as i about sales, but i could about sales, but don't want start first business. want to start my first business. i the well i really understood the well quite there's a lot quite quickly. there's a lot i didn't understand. money for example. i most example. i mean, most entrepreneurs really understand a about when . a great deal about money when. they so they they start off so they understand the they want understand the product they want to sell . yeah, potentially, yeah to sell. yeah, potentially, yeah . but and this was your but you had some success but your undoing as it were, which came a few years later. what actually at that time the i had a business, it was selling to it was hotel rooms, it was hotel broking and i'd got millions of not quite a lot of customers abroad and i'd not had the currency . so i couldn't really

currency. so i couldn't really hedge the currency i think the euro when it was 148, when i, when i bought the product is about 20% margin in it. when i bought the product is about 20% margin in it . and then about 20% margin in it. and then the pound went to 1 to 8 and i thought, i'll hold onto it and it went 1 to 1 and, and, and that was it. that was it. you that was it. that was it. you that was it. three and i've got 2% excuse the language for the water shop. that's all right. so the logo, the whole lot gone. yeah and what do you do you know you've hard you've been out of school 20 years. you've tried all sorts of things, you've had some success, made some money. you clearly got a bit of flair. and it's all gone wrong. how do you i mean, that was frank sinatra it right. he hired who shut out in my i this is what is interesting to get like you on talking points because how do you recover from that psychology . well i think the first thing is just never give in. i . well i think the first thing isjust never give in. i mean, is just never give in. i mean, i just didn't have an attitude that, you know, i'm done. i'm

that, you know, i'm done. i'm that point. i put my daughter in private school. i moved to spain, i got a rent an apartment on the beach . and i basically on the beach. and i basically started a couple of different businesses , managed get a little businesses, managed get a little bit of money from somebody that. i knew and i just got going again and that was it. you believe in your ability to do it again? i did, but i think the big you know, one of the big things that i think entrepreneurs get wrong is their ability to focus you know, and i think that's that was my achilles have achilles heel. i'm have a million minute. but million ideas a minute. but trying to stay focussed on that one thing that was the hardest thing for me. interesting that is interesting actually. one or two entrepreneurs that i know that have been very, very successful, the word focussed . successful, the word focussed. yeah, it's interesting. that's a word that does come up. so you bouncing back and in the end you decide , well it's going to be decide, well it's going to be travel insurance . why? yeah, travel insurance. why? yeah, well, i sort of fell into it so i formed a two for one golf business which i guess like half

price golf is. yeah. and that was the starting point where i thought why not do something that i, i really like. so i got into golf and then jj baseball asked me if i could do golf insurance. i thought, well, i'll find a way so i then found a way of getting golf , created a of getting golf, created a little bit of technology . and little bit of technology. and then i turned the golf insurance into travel insurance and just started selling insurance . yeah. started selling insurance. yeah. well, actually, no. i mean, i mean, it's hard now, you know, with with the regulatory status , arms and those sorts of things. yeah. well not from an insurance perspective, not if you're owning the business, but i mean with the fca and all those types things and the regulatory capital that you've got and i, you know, got to have and i, you know, dodged a few bullets the dodged a few bullets in the early and got umbrella by early days and got umbrella by another that's another company and, and that's how going and stay. sure. how i got going and stay. sure. you know you're now one of the one of the leading travel insurance firms. one of the leading travel insurance firms . the leading insurance firms. the leading travel insurance of i imagine that. travel insurance of i imagine that . so you've reached the top that. so you've reached the top of that. yeah and is that about

being is that about price competitive is about is it a website? what is it what's the key thing that. well i think the key thing that. well i think the key thing that. well i think the key thing with any business is that you've got to own a space. so a lot of people, when they when they look at a business, they don't they don't really know where they're and know where they're going it. and for me, it was going the over fifties market and then people with conditions and that with medical conditions and that was a that was a real focus and we the first to take medical conditions with insurance conditions with travel insurance put front and centre of the put it front and centre of the proposition and sell it to the consumer that way because so many people have heard over the years want to go to america. yeah yeah to visit a long lost relative or whatever it is. but because of a medical condition. they've got . yeah. no. if your they've got. yeah. no. if your medical condition means it's inadvisable to fly, that's a separate issue . but people separate issue. but people perhaps, let's say somebody a form of cancer . perhaps, let's say somebody a form of cancer. yeah. and in the past , america form of cancer. yeah. and in the past, america has been impossible for them because they couldn't get travel insurance of

kind at all. how much better is that now ? well, it's way better. that now? well, it's way better. and, you know, we led that. but at the time i started this, nobody really knew how to underwrite medical conditions and me included . so going and me included. so going through a journey to understand that was quite a difficult process . you know, you've got to process. you know, you've got to be able to make it work for the underwriter as well as. make them all. it's got to work for both. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that's really and that's really easy. and now. sure. yeah. mean , i mean, pets sure. yeah. i mean, i mean, pets are so everyone bought dogs a puppies during lockdown. yeah realising it's got to be expensive . yeah. hobby again . expensive. yeah. hobby again. very expensive isn't it sure it is expensive and that's you know, that's an example of being able to manoeuvre in covid you can imagine being in a travel insurance must have been hard as hell yeah hard as hell. but you know i people some know i heard people some so—called assurance so—called travelling assurance professionals saying that there was going to be no travel insurance sales in, the middle of covid. you know, we found way i mean i think we did nearly 100 million turnover in the

million of turnover right in the middle but i didn't middle of covid, but i didn't want be again if it want to be there again if it happened. picture we took the happened. so picture we took the medical yeah medical conditions. yeah put them front centre of the them front and centre of the proposition big gaping proposition and the big gaping hole that market. interesting hole in that market. interesting is a the market this is what is a gap the market this is what you're you've you're all about now you've managed combine business managed run to combine business with pleasure i wonder whether you've done it for a really good commercial because you very commercial because you are very much involved with the seniors go to you're one of the main sponsor of that all the main sponsor of that all the main sponsor this is just for those that don't understand what the seniors go up to is just this. just us a quote. if you can just give us a quote. if you can imagine likes of an imagine the likes of an ian woosnam campbell or woosnam or michael campbell or nick these are the nick faldo, these are the players, the groups that we, you and i. i know you're a and i. so i know you're a golfer. i grew up watching. so it it was. and it was though. it was. and i actually started the actually started to sponsor the tour and that was with sergio . tour and that was with sergio. and then i became an owner and it so now i'm a joint owner with with the tour. so i basically took sponsorship money. i was spending two into ownership up and now we've rebranded that to the legends tour and it's a it's

a it's a it's a different proposition, but it's bringing the greats to the front centre of the consumer when it company uses its money. yeah to advertise to sponsor. yeah. is doing it because the boss likes that sport or is it doing it for commercial reasons. well i mean it might be you know there are lots of football owners you know, own clubs that do that. but now for me, i love it. but i wanted to make sure that i did something that actually made sense, know, so ultimately i sense, you know, so ultimately i did because i thought, you did it because i thought, you know, owning a sporting franchise is quite powerful . you franchise is quite powerful. you know, that's that's what i did. well, powerful. the saudi well, it is powerful. the saudi arabians coming exactly arabians are coming in exactly the we like to the way that we just like to cash. it was like quite the timing. i think you might get bought by somebody. it is bought out by somebody. it is sum well we'll see. sum of money. well we'll see. they quite got the they haven't quite got to the seniors and also run seniors yet. and you've also run had own health battles. had your own health battles. yeah i had lymphoma 14 which you know for anybody that's been through something like that, they'll know it's it can be a

little bit you know first little bit tough. you know first day was like a rabbit caught day it was like a rabbit caught in headlights but after that day it was like a rabbit caught in yoweadlights but after that day it was like a rabbit caught in you getlights but after that day it was like a rabbit caught in you get on|ts but after that day it was like a rabbit caught in you get on withrt after that day it was like a rabbit caught in you get on with it.|fter that day it was like a rabbit caught in you get on with it. yeah,1at it's you get on with it. yeah, i think the diagnosis is almost the isn't right the the worst bit isn't right the first yeah yeah yeah. you first day. yeah yeah yeah. you know i it, i had, i had a know i had it, i had, i had a former cat yeah. many, many former cat just yeah. many, many years ago and yeah. the initial shock is horrible. but then as you it's down, get on you say, it's head down, get on with hope for the best. with it and hope for the best. and fascinated by, you know, with it and hope for the best. and posthumouszd by, you know, with it and hope for the best. and posthumous tv)y, you know, with it and hope for the best. and posthumous tv programmer, this posthumous tv programme because was. yeah. tell because i was. smith yeah. tell us that video. well, i was us about that video. well, i was you know, was talking to you know, i was talking to victor another friend victor with another friend and we'd looked at these tv programmes that have been, you know, of dragon's den know, the likes of dragon's den and apprentice. you and the apprentice. and, you know, them, but victor know, i liked them, but victor hated if know about hated them and if you know about victories outspoken joy well victories and outspoken joy well spoken they had died in yeah very sad but we just thought that there would be it would be a good programme to see what actually . the business actually happens. the business you know like the end to end of the business from the start and yeah you know the problems that they have and, how they face, how they get over them and it was really exciting and i, you

know, thoroughly enjoyed it at. the is going to come the programme is going to come out this month, later out later on this month, later on week, this week. this on this week, this week. this week. yeah. good person. well, i have say one thing you. have to say one thing about you. you're very bouncing back you're very at bouncing back from makes you you're very at bouncing back frgreat makes you you're very at bouncing back frgreat guest makes you you're very at bouncing back frgreat guest on makes you you're very at bouncing back frgreat guest on talkingakes you you're very at bouncing back frgreat guest on talking points] a great guest on talking points. thank you. just like . it's time thank you. just like. it's time to barrage the barrage. what do you have for me today? mickey asks, do you agree with positive discriminate fashion when it comes to job appointment? what's included the armed forces and the police? no, no no, no. i don't agree with it at all. i want to live in a meritocracy . i want to live in a meritocracy. i think the idea that we have quotas and rations for everything i, i honestly don't believe we're going to get the best out of it right. it's a difficult one, isn't it? because business is now almost have to. yeah, i discrimination . does it yeah, i discrimination. does it guarantee the best results not don't think it does right. i think it's now. no there we are

very sheffield on so from right but also quite diplomatic as well. no look mickey i just don't like it and i get a remember martin luther king, you know, i want my four children to be judged not by the colour of their skin but the content of character and implicit within that their ability to reach it asksis that their ability to reach it asks is the bbc becoming a danger to the public? well richard, you know, the bbc has a job and we have to have a licence pretty much in every house in the country . and their house in the country. and their job to be objective now, to call them a danger to the public might be going a little bit too, but they really do lack object tivity. we, on the other hand we on this channel can have opinions, but equally we have to give balance to arguments as well . time give balance to arguments as well. time but one more. i another viewer asks is time is it time for lord frost to leave

the incompetent and increasingly eu sympathetic tory party enjoy one party which truly stands for independent? britain lord frost is not going to be leaving the conservative party any time soon. i'll squeeze in one. rob asks the screening process for the police force is abysmal. what would you do to improve matters as goodness gracious me, not have positive go on ability make policing an attractive thing to do , which i don't think thing to do, which i don't think it is for many people at the moment. most of it i have some sympathy with coppers, but whenever you go up to something, there's a looking at you there's a webcam looking at you like you take a clip out of context. not easy. i've done. i'm back with tomorrow night at 7:00, but right that andrew handover to patrick. yes fantastic show nigel as ever. right and well i've got a big one for you tonight as well. ladies and gentlemen for the next hour, stop yourselves in. we are, of course, going to be talking about incidents that talking about the incidents that have been taking place that

hotel liverpool i'm going to hotel in liverpool i'm going to be analysing we move be analysing that ask we move on. and how landed . on. oh and how about landed. hello again it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. it's turning into a fine for many of us with some sunny spells out there. mild as well, but some frost and fog will overturn overnight at the moment, high pressure still close enough by across the uk to bring largely settled weather. but it's moving to the east and that's allowing this drier and milder to drift away from the near continent. so that's why there are plenty of clear skies everywhere, some clouds , especially through clouds, especially through western parts . but where we've western parts. but where we've got the clear skies , got the clear skies, temperatures will fall and you missed and fog patches will especially for the midlands east anglia and the southeast and a touch of frost in places as well. temperatures into low single figures or just below freezing in the west though northern ireland, western scotland , west wales, cornwall , scotland, west wales, cornwall, a few showers , first thing, a few showers, first thing, thicker cloud and a bit of a breeze here. the across wales in

the south—west tend to disappear by mid to late morning and actually for much of england wales it turns sunnier once again. but across scotland, especially western and central scotland and northern ireland, a few showers will continue. now widely temperatures will reach 11 to 13 celsius. could even see the mid—teens somewhere like nonh the mid—teens somewhere like north devon or north wales, given the winds coming in over the ground to the south. the higher ground to the south. and then we hit the clear skies across england, eastern across england, wales, eastern scotland as well on tuesday nights . will once nights. that will lead once again to some fog patches forming, especially across central and south eastern areas. once again , further west, once again, further west, thicker cloud , bit more of a thicker cloud, bit more of a breeze will prevent the frost and fog by the end of the night. outbreaks of rain into western scotland and northern ireland six or seven degrees here. closer freezing across closer to freezing across central and eastern parts of england . any fog in the england. any fog in the south—east will soon lift as the winds pick up through wednesday morning. but actually we keep the weather in the the fine weather in the south—east through the day whilst see band of rain whilst areas see a band of rain moving that fizzles out.

moving through that fizzles out. the weather the more unsettled weather arrives on thursday and into friday, winds strengthening friday, with winds strengthening

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