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you know, if you look at well, you know, if you look at the a surprising individual actually managed find himself actually managed to find himself unked actually managed to find himself linked to the far right only thing shows just how we've gone and just to off crazy day of news could we actually be looking actually at some kind of auen looking actually at some kind of alien invasion. no probably the auens alien invasion. no probably the aliens told me to say. but what is down to 2023.7 that would be high, because in the past day or two, we've had spy balloons, ufo asteroids. goodness knows what else. okay, but if you ask me, folks, anything is possible. now, i'm genuinely given the state in this country, in the world. i think i might welcome an anti and invite never. most importantly we do want to hear from you. so send your views to me i promise to do my best me and i promise to do my best to go through them. vaiews@gbnews.uk you can ask me anything endeavour to anything on i will endeavour to answer gbviews@gbnews.uk uk answer it gbviews@gbnews.uk uk all your way very, all that's coming your way very, very shortly. but right now we've headlines with we've got the headlines with polly . patrick.
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polly middlehurst. patrick. thank you well, the top story on gb news tonight . downing street gb news tonight. downing street has refused to comment on spy balloons potentially being spotted over the uk . the united spotted over the uk. the united states says still not yet able to identify recent objects found in north american airspace after shooting down a fourth in just over a week . rishi sunak says over a week. rishi sunak says the uk has the military capability to keep the nation's skies safe . we have something skies safe. we have something called the quick reaction alert force , which involves typhoon force, which involves typhoon planes which are kept on 24 seven readiness to police our airspace, which is incredibly important. i can't obviously comment in detail on national security matters, but we're in constant with our allies and as i said, we'll do whatever it takes to keep country safe. well, the white house has even had to go on record to reassure some members of the public that despite widespread speculation , despite widespread speculation, there's no indication of alien active ity. instead, it's determined , has a high altitude
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determined, has a high altitude balloon program to gather intel pigeons. we assessed whether they were sending any communication signals. we detected none . we looked to see detected none. we looked to see whether they were manoeuvring or had any propulsion capabilities. we saw signs of that. we did, however, assess that their altitudes were considerably lower than the chinese high altitude balloon and did pose a threat civilian commercial air traffic . and while we have no traffic. and while we have no specific reason to suspect that they were conducting surveillance of any kind , we surveillance of any kind, we couldn't rule that out . now, couldn't rule that out. now, rescuers in southern turkey have saved the lives of several children today, a full week after devastating earthquakes shook region. first, a 30 year old boy was pulled alive from the rubble. then a ten year old girl out of collapsed buildings and having been buried more than 180 hours. the number of people that have died, though, in both turkey and syria has risen to more than 37,000 today, with officials saying the window
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finding any remaining survivors is closing an appeal here by the uk's disasters emergency committee has so far raised more than million pounds. committee has so far raised more than million pounds . merseyside than million pounds. merseyside police say a further two men have been charged with murder following the fatal shooting of a woman. august 28 council worker ashley dale was shot in her back in the old swan area of liverpool, 26 year old nigel barry and seven year old sean sise have been remanded in custody and due to appear at liverpool. magistrate court tomorrow brings . the total tomorrow brings. the total number of people charged for her murder to four and buckingham palace says the queen consort has positive for covid after suffering from cold symptoms . suffering from cold symptoms. japanese understands camilla remains in good spirits. she's resting up at the moment, but is said to very disappointed she's unable to make this week's engaged across the country. camilla was forced to postpone a visit to the west midlands
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earlier on today. visit to the west midlands earlier on today . let's just earlier on today. let's just bnng earlier on today. let's just bring you a bit of breaking news we've received within the last few moments from uefa . uefa says few moments from uefa. uefa says it does now bear primary responsibility for failures which almost led to the champions league final in may becoming a mass fatality catastrophe. that's according an independent report into the scenes . fans were penned independent report into the scenes. fans were penned in and teargassed outside paris officials as kick off between liverpool and real madrid. was by 36 minutes. that news just in confirmation that bears primary for failures in that instance. more news on that in our next hour of news. here's . hour of news. here's. patrick okay, people is a big one. okay. so 15 arrests have been made
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following at the weekend outside a hotel housing migrants and asylum seekers in knowsley. now it's , violence. we all, of it's, violence. we all, of course, absolute condemn want to make that crystal going in. but i also wants to have a wider conversation about public dissatisfaction , action on my dissatisfaction, action on my concerns is that we are potentially really sitting on a powder keg as a country. now some like the shot of secretary of state for levelling up lisa nandy they blame the government's for the violence. others however, they see it differently . and are people differently. and are people really driven to disorder because suella braverman said the word invasion . and that's the word invasion. and that's what i really want to pose today . do you think that rhetoric from the government has caught this kind of incident might it perhaps have something to do with policies that have seen unprecedented demographic change, maybe tens of thousands of unvetted people coming the streets of britain and effective open border with afghanistan as well? the public has, after all, consistently voted against
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higher immigration around three decades now, especially those in the areas most by the downsides of, some would argue , mass of, some would argue, mass migration and really now is what our asylum policy and what does the people who voted against it basically the policies you have got it have tended to be the ones who they're to be ones who say they're going to be tough illegal immigrants and tough on illegal immigrants and controlling borders, better controlling our borders, better . that maybe we have . so the fact that maybe we have a vein, i think a sign that maybe people are quite angry about of but with me about all of this. but with me to discuss is policy analysts will commentator will keep us and commentator bushra thank you very bushra shaked, thank you very much, you. to great have much, both of you. to great have you the show. but will you both on the show. but i will start you now . again, start with you now. again, i want make it very, very clear want to make it very, very clear violence , absolutely, completely violence, absolutely, completely unforgivable . no need for it unforgivable. no need for it whatsoever. i want to try and zoom out a little bit and have a look at wider public dissatisfaction, the that dissatisfaction, the fact that as as concerned and as far as concerned and genuinely about this, i think that we might be at the start of more to come. bushra, what do
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you think is to blame for the kind of behaviour that we saw outside that hotel in knowsley ? outside that hotel in knowsley? oh, i'm just going to say it is this is the culmination. inevitably of decades of anti immigration anti—migrant conversations . this is immigration anti—migrant conversations. this is a strategy designed for greater political agenda to create fear in, out and amongst our community to divide them. this is a far greater and bigger than what we're actually seeing just on that bus. you're just not far i've got to keep you are aware that that particular bit of liverpool is probably of the most left wing areas in the entire country. i but this is this is a point you have a group of people that might be pro—immigration pro but the moment you start using dehumanisation as a as a way to kind of get your ideas across which is a dehumanisation of people and the language that you using like invasion those things
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incite they is that culmination are seeing it play out . dr. are seeing it play out. dr. mccabe, i'll bring you in now to keep us on. look, i think that potentially one of the main reasons behind this was that there has been videos doing the rounds of what appears to be and whether it is doing what appeared to a individual or allegedly from this hotel advances towards a 15 year old schoolgirl and people were angry that now people are and that frankly on the street might not be safe. so keep your view . be safe. so keep your view. well, firstly, as said, patrick knowsley is very much labour voting stronghold . i think the voting stronghold. i think the narrative that the people of knowsley are taking cues from a conservative home secretary , conservative home secretary, papers that this like the sun . i papers that this like the sun. i find that narrative a bit suspect if truth be told. i think that one of the things that i'd really like point out is the fact that as a country, when it comes to the dispersal
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of asylum seekers, it's grossly unfair on the parts of the country . back in april 2017, country. back in april 2017, there was analysis which showed that 7% of asylum seekers, a comfortable majority were being rehomed in the poorest third of the country. and there's more recent analysis last year which showed that one in four asylum seekers are being rehomed in just ten local authorities , the just ten local authorities, the majority of which are deprived inner areas in cities such as called dave glasgow. stoke on trent and a string of left behind northern town. so i think there needs be a discussion in terms of whether or not wealthier more affluent parts of the country are doing their fair share when it comes to accommodating asylum. but just in light of that , if i'm reading in light of that, if i'm reading between the lines there, if some of these more so we say as though are economically advantaged areas poorer areas for us an easy way of saying in poorer areas or taking the brunt
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of this is it actually quite forgive me quite snobbish of to say that these people have all been indoctrinated by the far right and that's why they quote quite hate comes from actually are working class ordinary people who have legitimate concerns. well that's actually an interesting point because some of these people that do come from those disadvantaged and deprived, deprived backgrounds , they're actually backgrounds, they're actually the group of people that are pro refugees because . they know what refugees because. they know what it's like to come from backgrounds where it is so difficult for them. and whilst i'm not that this is a 90% to a 10% case, of course , that 10% case, of course, that individuals will have their preferences . but we also need to preferences. but we also need to look at perhaps is a wider look at perhaps this is a wider agenda to see that this country is actually being mismanaged. this distress . and more this is a distress. and more than anything, this is a create divide within communities. so the government get to do what they want and mismanage exactly . okay, look, do you that some people find it quite hard . people find it quite hard. accept that actually your
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average common man and woman on the street is not a racist they just do not like the idea of taxpayers money being spent their local hotel or hotels in their local hotel or hotels in their town being filled with people who . we may or may not people who. we may or may not know who they are or what their intention are, and they feel threat to public safety. do you think people may be struggling to heads around the to get their heads around the fact that it's not racism? i mean, when we're looking at knowsley i support knowsley particular, i support the corner the the it's the corner of the country, which is very much the definition behind a definition of left behind as a crumbling education system. i think as the highest proportion of people who are disabled and identified as being limited a lot as a very high proportion of people providing a form of unpaid care . knowsley isn't the unpaid care. knowsley isn't the kind of place that should be treated as some some kind of relocation ground for asylum seeker dispersal. actually what it needs is emergency level pubuc it needs is emergency level public public investment and social and the home office has a lot to answer for actually
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because in notified knowsley council, less than 48 hours before they relocated asylum seekers to this particular hotel , which is ultimately well down central imposition of asylum seekers from whitehall until like the devolved local authority in the north—west of england . i think it's deeply england. i think it's deeply unfair. it seems to be happening across the board pressure . do across the board pressure. do you you're being honest, you if you're being honest, do you if you're being honest, do you anyone doesn't want to you that anyone doesn't want to live next to or near an asylum seeker hotel is a racist accident ? no, no, no, no. that's accident? no, no, no, no. that's not i don't think that's a fair statement to make. it's not a blanket statement . we do have to blanket statement. we do have to understand those individuals do exist within this country and that they all present well and we label everyone with the same thing. but one thing i will say is that the uk doesn't even make the top one of the top five countries to house immigration. we're not we have 1% of the global population that you see in britain , a map. i mean, i do
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in britain, a map. i mean, i do i get what you say terms of the numbers, but we've seen the size of britain. i mean, what do you know? well, so what do you want? what do you want us to do? we want to make the 1% of all of the crisis that the world is facing. we don't even know how many that people believe that we are well, some would are housing. well, some would argue not housing them argue we're not housing them because they're in hotels. does we just come just come we keep just just come just come back that. come back to back to that. just come back to us. mean, what what what us. i mean, what what what bushra saying is bushra seem to be saying is we're taking fair share. we're not taking our fair share. so emphasises so it even emphasises illegitimate people's anger is . illegitimate people's anger is. well, i mean, i'd make the point that we very much have a dysfunctional asylum system because what i would like to see is streamlined asylum system, is a streamlined asylum system, which primarily prioritises us women and girls at risk sex based violence in their homelands . but at the moment, homelands. but at the moment, because we have such a dysfunctional asylum system , dysfunctional asylum system, what we're seeing is predominantly young, able bodied men who are being imported into the uk by people smuggling networks . so we have
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networks. so we have a dysfunctional asylum system and i feel that at the moment it's not right. the world's most persecuted people, as people may say, we're not helping enough people. my view is we have a dysfunctional asylum system and on top of that, when it comes to dispersing asylum system, asylum seekers country, that seekers into the country, that process is current. i don't think and i think that might take yeah i'm afraid and i think that people less this is that makes people less this is the thing as well i actually really genuinely wish that every single person that we had in the hotels here was an absolute genuine cast iron , asylum genuine cast iron, asylum seeker, more women, more people. but fact is, i think that as long as there is at least the perception, frankly , that some perception, frankly, that some people are not exactly who they say they are, then people don't have sympathy in the way that maybe they could. both of you, thank you much. i always thank you very much. i always enjoy becoming regular on enjoy our becoming a regular on this show. it's great this particular show. it's great you'll of you'll be assessing of a residency as in a cave. you're all the channel as well. all over the channel as well. you love see it rise. it's you love to see it rise. it's also keep us on those social policy analyst on social commentator sheikh. commentator bushra sheikh.
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fantastic start fantastic way to kick start the show now. up, we show right now. coming up, we will to a had done will be speaking to a had done for case gripped the for this case has gripped the nafion for this case has gripped the nation absolutely gripped the nation is absolutely gripped the nafion nation is absolutely gripped the nation we're going to get stuck into is nicola pulley into it because is nicola pulley okay 17 days this okay we're 17 days into this case now think it is right case now i think it is right that initially we gave the police i've got to ask police time. but i've got to ask now. well, of now. well, the hack of lancashire been doing, we've gone for comment, worry gone to them for comment, worry about but realistically about that. but realistically what going on in this search what is going on in this search for nicola polly , don't go for nicola polly, don't go anywhere .
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okay, wonderful people. now, i asked you earlier on you agree with labour that the government's rhetoric has led to the in merseyside really centres around the fact that whether or not just using the word invasion things like hostile hostile environment that stuff can't see incite people's riot. i think we
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aren't spending stupid says it's not rhetoric is the problem stuart it's the policy. yes indeed it is. and why? oh, why can people not just accept this is a blind ignorance to this fact? now which is that if people as though they have legitimate about the of societal change or people coming here illegally they say or if people seeing that hotels filled up etc. they don't feel safe, they won't know those concerns are even legitimate. if people those concerns and they even feel as though they can't voice them as well that a problem for people and it creates bit of a powder keg situation. i to emphasise keg situation. ito emphasise yet again people should not resort to anything . the scenes resort to anything. the scenes that we saw outside that the hotel my concern is how do we make sure this doesn't happen again and a key area stuart as you've identified is to sort the policy out. brian says the simple answer no . this has simple answer is no. this has been brewing for nearly 20 is out. i think it's been a bit of a burn massive shame but a slow burn massive shame but i agree with you. all right. there
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says you've put hate in is the king, isn't it? i know rhetoric just there in action or rather action tens of thousands of these people . well, the thing is these people. well, the thing is as well, i just want to say all right. that there's ways doing it. and i don't think it's singularly the fact that we've got high rates of immigration, both legal and illegal. i do think that has a bit to do, obviously, but it's mismanagement of that and it is andifs mismanagement of that and it is and it's plonking people into places are a days notice not even telling the local mp in some michael says the government's refusal to place these unidentified illegal immigrants into secure accommodation has to real concern about the safety of people children. and this is another one. is it inhumane ? may another one. is it inhumane? may i'm asking this? yeah is it inhumane to? put people in basically detention centres. are you forcibly call them that for the optics of it. but that's what it is. secure accommodation, is it inhumane to do that. what's now is leading.
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you're right to real concerns . you're right to real concerns. people fear that people will go out into the community and say whether or not this fear is genuine by. the way we are seeing some cases of crimes, course we are, but we don't want to necessarily them all the to necessarily them all in the same of course we wouldn't same go. of course we wouldn't want people do want to do that, but people do have concerns . and if have genuine concerns. and if they're being listened to, they're not being listened to, if don't they if people get angry, don't they anyway , on from that just over anyway, on from that just over two weeks ago now these 17 days actually none of to nicola he was reported missing after not returning walk . returning home from a dog walk. lancashire police their lancashire police say their theory nicola falling into the river stands the case and they say there are no suspicions of a third policy being involved but the investigation does move towards the coast of lancashire found no new leads at the site of her disappearance, but over the last couple of weeks, commentators have suggested that lancashire police have made a series of mistakes. ali i obviously have been glued to this case as i think many people have. one of the reasons why i
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have. one of the reasons why i have agreed to it is because of mysterious, it appears and i feel that many other people feel as though it's becoming increasing. unlikely, at increasing. me unlikely, at least increasingly that least seems increasingly that nicola went into the river at all. and i think people are concerned about that. i hate to discuss this with me is one of the head divers in the nicola case is peter foley it's great to see you again. i thank you very very much. no i know that we don't want say aaron some the police the do a fantastic job etc. but in your own opinion in what nicola really been able to fall into the river and float down the way because the police is hypothesis is she fell into river presumably was rendered unconscious going to go and then has somehow managed to get out the morecambe bay area and off realistically is that even possible right what we've got to look at this the facts here patrick the bank chase i was there last week with paul. you
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know , and we looked down and know, and we looked down and i showed him the moment the foot of water on the day it's been confirmed by the police, another foot confirmed by the environment agency that would have feet of water that have been two feet of water that . nicola would went into . nicola would have went into and on rocks. it does and landed on rocks. it does show and it goes into deeper water in the middle. she would have pushed from behind have to be pushed from behind and into river to and launched into river to actually miss the rocks if you supped actually miss the rocks if you slipped down she would land on the rocks and the police divers are highly professional searched that thoroughly that dive thoroughly all the way down that strip. and from all my experience , averaging ten experience, averaging ten drowning victims a year, about six suicides, we find them where they go down. and that's fact. they don't drink unless it's a really heavy flooded river when they will moves down. but it was not at the time and that confirmed by the scientific. okay all alright and why do you think the police are still so keen to push this narrative? a
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lot of people have said that nicola was wearing fitbit, that has been confirmed by police, as i understand it next he was wearing a fitbit and that there might be some evidence on that data that movement is stopped at this time whatever one and they just us the i've no idea just tell us the i've no idea i mean it's either a lot of senior contact me an ex—military adviser's contact is what's on he should have been left as an open inquiry here we don't know. we've got no evidence apart from a mobile phone that we know. we've got no evidence apart from a mobile phone that we know . at a mobile phone that we know. at least that's what we know . and least that's what we know. and aduu least that's what we know. and adult columnist by the river it should been the media should have been the media a research extremely thoroughly. i was up there the other day after ten days, as you know , and the ten days, as you know, and the undergrowth had not been beaten down. normally when you search all the undergrowth beaten down. these get stream back for any signs of evidence . there signs of evidence. there actually was no sign of evidence of any really in depth land search taking place around that particular area . and this is a particular area. and this is a huge concern for lot of people.
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most nicholas family , children, most nicholas family, children, friends , everyone is close to friends, everyone is close to her. but also as well being something that i think shouldn't be addressed. this is just ordinary people, especially women in the area . now, we all women in the area. now, we all hope that nicola is safe and well. we obviously hope that nothing terrible is happened. so she does have. but the real is that as it currently stands, if she's not found the river and it appears to be unlikely that she's in there, another alternative is that something is someone taking her or something like that. and until that has been identified , other female been identified, other female dog walkers, other women anywhere will have a right to be very , very, very worried about very, very, very worried about the situation . you think the the situation. you think the police have done enough to rule that out ? i don't think there's that out? i don't think there's any evidence to rule anything out. i mean, i already being very blunt with paul and i spent a lot of time with paul and emma and to some extent, we've got to
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potentially be prepared the worst. let's not like you said on your show that were to welcome lot of things now we've just to say as it is and just got to say as it is and i've said to them we could be looking for a body, we could be looking for depositions. so either she could been kidnapped, she have been being held she could have been being held a will. this what needs to will. and this is what needs to be really. well, i don't be really. well, look, i don't know there's lot of work on a know there's a lot of work on a behind the scenes i'm not here to the police. worked to beat the police. i've worked with a great job and with them. i do a great job and for good. but for the greater good. but i think on this particular inquiry there's no the media all being told the public's not being told they need to a grip of that they need to get a grip of that pr yeah i don't see i honestly would go even a bit further i think the media have been pretty generous with the police can remember similar case when i was working up in the lake district , said paul. i'd unfortunately ended up going into lake windermere up there. and yeah , windermere up there. and yeah, there surrounding there were issues surrounding that . just a couple that and unreal. just a couple of a couple of days in of days in a couple of days in the media, both national, local were really going out the were really going out to the police, what was going police, come on, what was going on? going all
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on? what was going there? all you enough and it did kind you doing enough and it did kind of spark a bit more there wasn't that but was days and as you that but was 17 days and as you rightly don't want slight rightly say don't want to slight the sort of thing but the police sort of thing but people like yourself, you're not the only one say, well, i'm the only one to say, well, i'm going to what basic going to meet it. what basic searches been done to searches have they been done to this for example, this day, for example, leaving the i mean, they're the families in? i mean, they're concerns about the police. peter, there are other there's lots of concerns. and i was with paul the other day and he was saying i was always her partner, by the way, as he saw it. so i switch what paul her partners and he just for people to watch. yeah paul was paul and patrick was with paul the partner he was with paul the partner and he is pleading them to actually search in the surrounding and they can phone. but i have not been done. the one thing i will doubt there's been a lot of people turning up trying to into buildings, please don't that please stay away. be go let the police do their job. but police do theirjob. but obviously does need to be done thoroughly. now because we don't know where. for the reason know where. nick, for the reason i'm that just i'm praying that nicholas just
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walked somewhere , i will walked off somewhere, i will show up and she's she's okay. she just walked away. but there's no no sign of that with a family. she was very happy go. she was a creature habit. i'm going to go a police statement in a second. but just one more quick one with you. if you don't, it's just based on something you said there about a chat with paul, who is the partner of nicole borland just to confirm. so he far as he's aware , the police have said to aware, the police have said to him that not actually done particularly thorough searches of various buildings nearby. is thatis of various buildings nearby. is that is that correct? because what what are they really telling him? i mean , i was him telling him? i mean, i was him i'd be going absolutely out of my head the minute he actually is going mad , to be honest. he's is going mad, to be honest. he's holding it back. i was on the phone again to him today. he calls me to , you know, i comfort calls me to, you know, i comfort him and it's a difficult one. he just more he just wants more lang searches don mean i've worked on hundreds of missing people enquiries of the 20 odd years and this is the surreal
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area like i said should have been beaten down. search every nook and cranny, every not just focus on the river. it's crazy . focus on the river. it's crazy. that would just say she's in the river. i may be wrong. she may end up at sea. but from my experience this would be the first where i'm actually wrong. i'm normally i'm right on this type of say with my experience . type of say with my experience. gosh, well, i must say, look , gosh, well, i must say, look, thank you very much for coming on as ever is the second time we've spoken in a way i hope it's the last because i find. but, we'll to but, you know, we'll have to wait and see. peter, thank you very, very much peter foley. now, heading up that now, he was heading up that independent team. what independent dive team. what you make lesson missed make of that lesson just missed the of nicola it would have the part of nicola it would have pig the part of nicola it would have pig confirming to peter the eye that the police haven't even searched some outbuildings that we did approach the police and we did approach the police and we got a comment back from lancashire police now throughout investigation and in the briefings held, we have stressed that we continue to keep an open mind about what might have happened to nicola and continue to look at all potential
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to look at all the potential scenarios to eliminate them. but based all the vast amounts based on all of the vast amounts of work we have done up to now, we continue to believe. the most likely scenario is that nicola has into for river has fallen into the for river some so police some reason so the police they're sticking to they're absolutely sticking to their guns on that 100% you are heanng their guns on that 100% you are hearing it left right and centre now from people very close to nicola from who said just say they cannot get their heads around . the idea that she is in around. the idea that she is in that. around. the idea that she is in that . coming around. the idea that she is in that. coming up we will be taking a deeper look into the response to the independent review of prevent the counter—radicalisation program . counter—radicalisation program. those bits of mystery about it from the left wing press and some of their organisation. we're to have a little we're going to have a little look program with look counter terror program with counter—terror expert tom wilson. he's going to join me in the studio. you will not believe who is now. oh, here we go. link to the far right. i'll be back in a sec .
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okay welcome back, everybody. now the long awaited review of prevent came out last week and we have some predictable , still we have some predictable, still rather disappointing headlines . rather disappointing headlines. let's have a run through them, shall we? so this is a headline from independent, which is prevent review calling for focus on islamists could make britain less safe . okay, who knew? less safe. okay, who knew? focusing on radical islamist terrorism ? you know, the people terrorism? you know, the people who maybe want to turn britain into a mediaeval theocratic state that will make us less safe. okay one headline from the news now. right wing extremism is a greater threat to schoolchildren. islamist extremism . okay. so i should add extremism. okay. so i should add that we've mentioned obviously on this show, i mean, 35 times more deaths from , islamist more deaths from, islamist extremism then far right in the uk since 2005. yes all right. extremism is on the rise, but it is from a much lower base. this
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is from a much lower base. this is in the guardian now. suella braverman new plan stop attacks may well increase them . what may well increase them. what well, how can . all right, fine. well, how can. all right, fine. fine. we'll let you have that one. oh, here we go. now, from east i middle east on prevent review is a dangerous and away from it from the much respected . not in any way. not in any biased amnesty international now the shawcross review is deeply prejudiced and has no legitimacy. okay all right. and lastly from , the muslim news lastly from, the muslim news site, five pillars, muslim call for it to be scrapped . indeed for it to be scrapped. indeed they have. i'd say that is one of the key reasons why we're talking about today. but dare i say? the report, it struck a nerve. it. there's been a bit of a defensive tone in. and i wonder why would someone argue that really is lot of that that there really is lot of the wing left the left wing press, left leaning press, and they've made it minds possibly, it their minds possibly, possibly long before this review was released, mainly of was released, mainly because of its author william shawcross. he committed of making committed the crime of making quite accurate statements and
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would say to your worst relationship with certain elements of the well islamic community is among the greatest most terrifying problems of our time. that's what he said. and it certainly was talking about the radical islamic that islamist community. as a matter of fact, the statement was made, the 77 bombings well before charlie abdo, the arena bombing, etc. you catch my drift. but it's all gone even further now. everything seems to be far , everything seems to be far, doesn't say, so does everyone. joining me to discuss the reaction to this report and how his recommendations may help counter terrorism and extremism is , tom wilson of the council is, tom wilson of the council group, thank you very much, tom. great have you in the studio as well . were you surprised well. were you surprised initially about the backlash to this report? no i think it was entirely predictable. we've seen in this country that there's been a concern that campaign to try and undermine counter terrorism efforts, which is what prevent it as of. i don't prevent it as part of. i don't think anyone is least all think anyone is least of all william shawcross , the author of william shawcross, the author of this report, there's this report, that there's problems when
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problems with prevent. but when you're scrap our you're calling to scrap our counter—radicalisation program and you're not saying what you want put in its i think want to put in its i think people are going to question what motives are doing that. what motives are for doing that. yes if what people yes indeed. and if what people saying there which saying is that there are which they that's racist they are basically that's racist undertones to this, it's disproportionately the muslim community at and all of this stuff is in an attempt to try to cancel something that's designed keep us safe and using big racism banner in order to be able to do that to silence people. well, i think many people. well, i think many people draw their own conclusions about the motives are of people who do want to have proper counter—terrorism have a proper counter—terrorism program . but is the case that program. but it is the case that some the people here opposed some of the people here opposed to program have praised to this program have praised jihadi john, supported encourage people and violent jihad people to go and violent jihad overseas. that kind of thing. so i think people will question question their motive, the racism about prevent has been there for a long time, and yet this independent review has happened finding that happened. far from finding that it targeting it's actually it is targeting, it's actually found in some cases the found that in some cases the program is neglecting islamist
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extremism and probably disproportionately focusing on what it defines as far right . what it defines as far right. well, and this is the quite the important point. okay. because the far right banner is something that absolutely shows people off and we had a chance earlier on actually about some of the protests that taking place outside of a knowsley hotel, an asylum seeker hotel. yet emphasising nobody condones . i don't condone violence, but saying that everyone who doesn't want to live next door to an asylum? asylum must be far right is an absolute shocker in this definition of far right appears to be getting broader and broader and broader it. yeah. so i mean we're quite fortunate that we have a very small far right terrorist threat. it's there . it's not as big as it right terrorist threat. it's there. it's not as big as it is in north america, in central europe. but we have that as a smaller threat. the whole point of prevent not that it's supposed to target anyone, i don't unpleasant views. don't know unpleasant views. it's make sure it's supposed to make sure people become radicalised people don't become radicalised terrorism. you see terrorism. so when you see headunes terrorism. so when you see headlines such as had over
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headlines such as we had over the weekend that jacob rees—mogg was included in prevent monitoring analysis you have monitoring and analysis you have to question are they defining given it explanation for that because to be honest these are just sounds i mean i've met drake on numerous times and the idea that he would be included is something that is pretty. yeah.i is something that is pretty. yeah. i think what they were trying to do at the home office was they knew that they had to write a certain number of reports about islamist and then they realised we want to be even handed. better load on handed. so we better do load on the right as well. they the far right as well. they search around look for search around and look for things monitor and they things that can monitor and they started on twitter started monitoring on twitter who describe the who they who were describe the who they described as being patriotic and said that yes now that's an important because that's my concern is that patriotism is now just being called far right right well they've identified four twitter users who they called patriot and proud. and they said that rees—mogg was among the people who were
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popular with this cohort. so it's a really tenuous link to what this has do with far right terrorism. well shawcross, this report does, as it says . let's report does, as it says. let's get back to focusing terrorism. not every of person who might have a controversial opinion. what would you say to people , what would you say to people, let me just ask this question . let me just ask this question. what would you say to people who do legitimately believe me, not at a minimum. or last week actually , who said that he felt actually, who said that he felt as though the prevent programme was against all muslims ? well, i was against all muslims? well, i would challenge somebody that to demonstrate how it's against all muslims. i think that by targeting the most extreme elements of a of a movement, you actually do everyone else in that group, in that community favour, especially because islamist terrorists just blow up non—muslims often . they target non—muslims often. they target other muslims who disagree with them. i mean , there are so many them. i mean, there are so many muslims who work in prevent and who work in counter—extremism. i think suggest that think ridiculous to suggest that it's an anti—muslim programme . it's an anti—muslim programme. indeed. just finally, just of
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returning to some of the we talked about little bit earlier on which is the going on there, which is the going plan to take forward of it. it's a planned step forward of its generations who are coming through now this idea of patriotism and being proud to be british, whatever that even really means, you know . do you really means, you know. do you think that there's going to be less of that. my concern is that reports like or comments like this would insinuate actually not not have anything not only do not have anything worth but if you worth protecting, but if you want protect. is something want to protect. is something wrong ? you as well. and wrong with? you as well. and there's an interest the idea what supposed it's what prevent supposed do is it's supposed promote supposed to promote british values schools, instance. values in schools, for instance. so would hope that would so you would hope that would encourage for a future generation to really proud of generation to be really proud of what built in this country what we've built in this country , democracy free , a democracy and a free society. and whole point society. and the whole point about of people that about the kind of people that prevent supposed be going prevent are supposed to be going after who a after other people who hate a free society like, oh, so i would for young would hope that for many young people, would see and it people, they would see and it would increase patriotism people as quotes and proud and potential as a problem as a
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problem . it looks as though problem. it looks as though that's what some people prevent have been doing. guess what? it's fascinating stuff. and thank very, very much . and that thank very, very much. and that is tom wilson of the counter—extremism group. okay, robert , up, could this be the robert, up, could this be the end of the world. let me start. could this be the of the world or perhaps the war of the worlds, isn't it? well there's been some speculation about ufo in the us and as they actually admitted. so they are yet to identify a flying object that was shot over lake huron was shot down over lake huron last a shift , last night. it's a tone shift, isn't you won't want isn't it, anyway? you won't want to guest that i've got to miss the guest that i've got for you . and i am back into.
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aliens here out of that one two minute tarot card for 2023. is anyone else been feeling as if they've fallen down some kind of alice in wonderland in the
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ground the last three years? i'm going to wake one of these days. just check my phone. it will be sometime mid—january 2020 and i'll go off to work. just thinking about one of the weirdest dreams. my life. i'm sure of it. but anyhow , let's sure of it. but anyhow, let's have a look. in case you've been quite literally living on the moon with your fingers in your ears. of ufo ears. massive amounts of ufo sightings. calling sightings. people are calling them balloons, them chinese weather balloons, but truth anyway. but we'll get the truth anyway. let's have a look at the latest ufo that's been ufo footage that's been floating. we can so low that things just look how we move . so things just look how we move. so i've never seen anything like i don't know about you, but what? well was that ? and when i see well was that? and when i see that flash up on the screen. hold on, hold on. wait, we got some. whoa we've got some breaking news people. it's just been confirmed terms that the united kingdom has made contact with it being from another planet. no is yet on their demands , but rishi sunak looking demands, but rishi sunak looking that rishi has arrived . a that rishi has arrived. a
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hastily arranged press conference with supposedly the auen. conference with supposedly the alien . we have the first footage alien. we have the first footage of he she a who knows? coming . of he she a who knows? coming. in oh, there is. of he she a who knows? coming. in oh, there is . yes, obviously. in oh, there is. yes, obviously. blimey. i mean, rishi always work out for him there. he knows language. that thing speaks, but was the ascendancy in life form , who knows anyway? right. okay, joking. that , who knows anyway? right. okay, jokirtom that , who knows anyway? right. okay, jokirtom smith. that , who knows anyway? right. okay, jokirtom smith. what that , who knows anyway? right. okay, jokirtom smith. what we hat , who knows anyway? right. okay, jokirtom smith. what we do know was tom smith. what we do know is pentagon cannot say is that the pentagon cannot say any certainty whatsoever what these objects or how able to these objects are or how able to remain airborne. they've shot down four of them, one of them, at least one of them was believed to be a balloon. i say, yeah, but it could be aliens it could be china. it could just balloons. hey, with us now is the international security experts man dashing. experts and a man so dashing. some he must some people say he must have come another is will come from another planet is will geddes. well, thank you very much. so now why is it much. okay, so now why is it that we're still not being told that we're still not being told that these things are not alien 7 that these things are not alien ? that's a really good question , and i'm not really sure i'm
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the man to give you the answer. i mean, pentagon, as we've seen today, has being somewhat flip flopping about giving any kind of clarity as to what's going on, and especially the that they didn't deny that they were ufos or potential aliens, which they now retracted. i'm very to see some common sense does prevail. okay. all right. so slightly more serious now people obviously were concerned about an impending alien invasion. you look like a man who has a pre—prepared bunker and his own little kitted out for any kind of catastrophe . you want to be of catastrophe. you want to be there? well, a crisis but on there? well, in a crisis but on a note, now , is this a serious note, now, is this actually a worrying precursor to potentially the start of world war three? we've got putin, the tanks into ukraine, we've got the chinese, the weather balloons or whatever over the top of it. and, you know, i mean, nuclear armageddon. is this to see? no this what we're about to see? no items . sorry to this what we're about to see? no items. sorry to disappoint you, patrick no, we're not looking at armageddon. this is pretty armageddon. this this is pretty straightforward. and of the straightforward. and one of the americans being quite so americans are being quite so cagey about it when they were developing program
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developing their own a program in 2019 for high altitude balloons to do pretty much what these chinese ones , i would these chinese ones, i would presume, doing doesn't presume, will be doing doesn't come a huge surprise or does come as a huge surprise or does come as a huge surprise or does come as a huge surprise the fact that they're going, wow, i don't know what this is. this is very peculiar chinese peculiar for what the chinese have doing this right back have been doing this right back to the century. and, in to the 10th century. and, in fact , have been used to the 10th century. and, in fact, have been used in fact, have often been used in different means, whether it be reconnaissance purposes or whether it be for dropping. and this is what the americans were developing in 2019. a tiny that they could drop an opposing country which could then assist them with targeting . okay. so them with targeting. okay. so one of the concerns was that they know what one of these things had as a propulsion system and supposedly it was interfere with various jets radar as it got closer or technological systems. what does that mean to you i mean if they are claiming be baffled by this thing, do you think that they're not really baffled? actually, they're to us, i think they're being somewhat ambiguous and
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they're obfuscating around this patriot that that's my personal view on this. you know, they're going through pantomime of reviewing obviously the debris of these balloons that they've shot out of the sky. but bearing in mind that this is not isolated to the united states in the last week there were balloons which were actually found to be coasting . costa rica found to be coasting. costa rica and venezuela fact the chinese embassy apologise . for one of embassy apologise. for one of these balloons floating into columbia and that caused a bit of an international scandal albeit it was localised but there have been 40 countries in five continents that have had similar incidents like this taking place. so it's not particularly brand new news. no, exactly mean something high in colombia. who would have thought? well you very much well get is that who is of course international security expert andindeed international security expert and indeed a and so dashing he must have come from space anyway it's must have come from space anyway wsfime must have come from space anyway it's time for me to be pummelled. that's right. this what? you got to ask me
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anything. and i apparently to just and take it. so he just sit here and take it. so he says, do you believe if other life exists out there. well it's interesting isn't it because so i am a religious okay and part of me well well pretty sure that i believe that god just created the world and everything in it. and is there concern that it might in some way discount the established religions the day if it was acknowledged that there was life elsewhere? but if you look at all that out here and you think, well, can we all be alone? i don't know. but so i would call on to meet those little although little aliens, although i imagine down and take one imagine they'd down and take one look at someone like kim jong un, joe un, or maybe even just joe biden. joe biden was one biden. i think joe biden was one of them, sheila says, did you remember valentine's day tomorrow, sugar know? okay. right. thank you very much . right. thank you very much. everybody who's been pummelling away down watson up next and away down watson is up next and i believe don is here now. yes he is also on down. oh patrick, i've just been in in the dressing room and i think have bought a very nice day present
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for your show. why you if that was if that was you that goes to surprise. right. the you need to write the card so don't feel coy so we've got lots coming up tonight obviously all of the topics that you been covering, including the situation in knowsley with laurence fox , neil knowsley with laurence fox, neil oliver and calvin as well. but we've a really fascinating interview, too, with riley gaines. now she is the star us swimmer who had to share a dressing room, a changing room with lee thomas. the trans competitors . there's a big competitors. there's a big scandal about this developing in the us. she's going to reveal all in a uk exclusive interview . wow. i mean , i don't know why . wow. i mean, i don't know why i'm amazed any more, dan, because he's every night we do is and sat down watson will be coming your way very shortly and certainly sounds of it you certainly the sounds of it you absolutely not want to miss it thank you very much everybody. i've enjoyed i've thoroughly enjoyed filling in particular show. in for this particular show. i'll back tomorrow p.m.
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in for this particular show. i'll back tomorrow pm. for i'll be back tomorrow 3 pm. for my sharp shot slot. my regular sharp shot slot. i think i've enough, don't you? i'll see you tomorrow. hello there. i'm here with your latest weather updates from the met office . the new week has got off office. the new week has got off to a fairly fine and dry start for many us and that will largely continue into. but there is a change on the way thanks to these weather fronts that are gradually going to their gradually going to push their way in for the middle part of the week. for now, though, it is this pressure that's across this high pressure that's across continental this high pressure that's across contine li'iil this high pressure that's across contine in charge throughout largely in charge throughout monday night will be a good number of clear intervals as this will allow some fog to form , particularly across southeastern of could be southeastern areas of could be quite here . it will also quite dense here. it will also allow a bit of a frost to form where we hold on to the clearest intervals. but further west we'll see a cloud we'll see a bit more cloud fringing into northern ireland, parts western wales and parts of western wales and england the england so all of the temperatures up here a more temperatures up here a bit more that cloud continue on and off throughout the day on, tuesday in northern ireland. parts of western scotland may produce the odd rain further to odd bit of rain but further to the once that focus clear
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the east once that focus clear it's way will be another fairly fine day with some sunny intervals fairly intervals coming through fairly brisk breezes across western locations as but they're coming up from the south. so it is going to be a fairly mild day. parts of north wales, north devon around 14, 15 degrees celsius . again we'll have some celsius. again we'll have some clear intervals overnight tuesday into , the start of tuesday into, the start of wednesday. so another risk of some fog and frost further . but some fog and frost further. but it's those weather fronts that going to start approaching for northern parts of scotland as we move toward dawn on wednesday throughout . the day will then throughout. the day will then watch those as they move towards the it could be heavy in the east. it could be heavy in places first thing, but it will to fizzle out as it moves further east. so most of england, wales only seeing some patchy and actually the far patchy rain and actually the far southeast staying fairly and dry. we'll see further weather fronts wanting to push in throughout the rest of the week. but our focus is really on this low that could low pressure centre that could bnng low pressure centre that could bring some fairly strong winds to north night and into to the for north night and into friday. but it is going to stay on the side throughout . see
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on the mild side throughout. see you later, andrew doyle. join at 7:00 every sunday night for free speech nation. the show right . speech nation. the show right. the week's stories in the week's biggest stories in politics current affairs. with the help my two comedian the help of my two comedian panellists and a variety of special guests , free speech special guests, free speech nafion special guests, free speech nation sunday from seven on gb news the people's channel, britain's
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no spin, no bias, no censorship . i'm dan wootton tonight the shady establishment plot to reverse brexit is gaining momentum as ultra donors like these. the ten day secret cross party summit pairing the erg to the party . now, whatever you the party. now, whatever you think about the idea that was an iconic set, sceptical comparison, wasn't it? and i would say that that wasn't strong enough in my digest. next, i'm going to follow on from brexit champion lord frost by sounding the alarm and explaining why a labour
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government led by slippery starmer and loud mouthed lammy would our brexit dream. would kill our brexit dream. then my superstar panel give their view. joining me tonight, carole malone, benjamin butterworth and belinda de lucy . also coming up, after four afghan boys who arrived in the uk on small boats are arrested in connection with the alleged rape of a 15 year old schoolgirl . our stories like this, the reason the british public really had enough of what is now an uncontrollable channel invasion . lawrence blocks exposing the flocks report at 935. kelvin mackenzie is also ready and raring to give his unfiltered take on the migrant related incidents. the msm just won't touch his analysis is going to be unmissable tonight at 1040. elsewhere on the show as a bombshell, new book claims concerns about the now disgraced tavistock clinic, where ignored to protect a gold dust nhs contract . does there need to be contract. does there need to be a criminal investigation and some sort of immediate halt to
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all the reassignment treatment of children in the uk? we're going to have that critical debate at 1030. we'll also head stateside for a uk exclusive interview as former us swimming star ronnie gaines makes a plea for transgender locker rooms after the biological may. ismael, somalia. thomas allegedly exposed male genitalia to female competitors while changing so don't miss ronnie life. she was one of the people in that dressing room at 1020, as this government approved phd fact about the side effects of m rna vaccines is censored by tick tock because there clearly is some sort of definite observation or link that shows there's an increase in heart problems after it. so is the idea that social media companies provide any more freedom than ofcom just a complete fallacy? our very own neil oliver weighs in on that at 950 with the royal family fully expecting the sussexes to attend , does

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