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tv   Laurence Fox  GB News  February 14, 2023 8:00pm-9:01pm GMT

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i a welcome along everyone. patrick christys here once again and i assure you that there is nothing i'd rather be doing on valentine's as day evening than provide you the people with an action packed 8 pm. show. even if my long suffering fiance doesn't see it that way. but anyway, that's how shall we i'll say emerges that the nhs and say team to india it's stopping shortages. we want to ask if immigration the solution to a immigration is the solution to a failing and flailing workforce. we've had this before and it culminated in the brexit, didn't it? but it culminated in the brexit, didn't it.7 but it hasn't stopped record highs of that immigration . we
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highs of that immigration. we will be having a scrap on next and ask the most pertinent as well as is the uncomfortable truth. there are a lot of young people in this country are too lazy to get off the backside, do a hard day's graft on foreign aid is back in the news. apparently the struggling post—colonial island with a health care waiting list larger than three of its four constituent nations gave china the world superpower 50 million quid in aid in 2021. edwina currie be joining that for a little pecker . and have you little pecker. and have you picked the wrong career . i know picked the wrong career. i know that feeling. are you struggling on an average salary as inflation continues to relent . inflation continues to relent. ashley, drop your wallet. well genuinely now why not try becoming a diversity officer .7 a becoming a diversity officer? a role has just cropped up offering over 200 grand. it been filled yet what was the point of going university to try to become a doctor as any who should have gone to study diversity plus as diversity it. plus as i mentioned little earlier on it mentioned a little earlier on it is valentine's day today and we've a mystery guest coming
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we've got a mystery guest coming at the end of the show. a secret admirer, surely. mean, it admirer, surely. i mean, it could anyone. team could be anyone. my team have kept in dark on exactly kept me in the dark on exactly what happening. so will be as what is happening. so will be as surprised as you will be. and don't forget, perhaps most importantly, your my way. importantly, send your my way. it's a special valentine's day pummelling. yep. you heard. i want to hear from you. vaiews@gbnews.uk me anything and i will answer it. all of thatis and i will answer it. all of that is coming your way. but now it's latest headlines with the wonderful polly middlehurst . wonderful polly middlehurst. patrick. thank you . good evening patrick. thank you. good evening to you. a british person has died in ukraine. the has confirmed the family has been informed tonight and is in contact with a local authorities on the ground . that comes as on the ground. that comes as downing street today announced a national one minute syler is to be held in the uk to the first anniversary of the invasion of ukraine on the 24th of february last year. meanwhile, nato today
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has discussing support for ukraine including the possibility of sending fighter jets after yesterday warning it's seen a fresh russian offensive the country the secretary—general jens stoltenberg says the alliance will do all it can to help ukraine neutral need to ensure that ukraine gets the weapons it needs to be able to retake territory liberate their lands and win this war and prevail as and win this war and prevail as a sovereign independent . well a sovereign independent. well here two serving police officers will face misconduct cases over the way they handled reports of indecent exposure by everard's killer . former met police killer. former met police officer wayne cousins is behind bars serving a whole life term for murdering sarah everard and has admitted three counts of indecent exposure , one of which indecent exposure, one of which he committed just four days before her death . the before her death. the independent office for conduct says the new cases involve a met
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police and a kent police . the police and a kent police. the government's to launch an inquiry into the sinking of a migrant boat, inquiry into the sinking of a migrant boat , the english migrant boat, the english channel migrant boat, the english channel, last year. in which four people died. 39 others were saved following a major rescue operation off the kent coast in the early hours of the morning. on the 14th of december, the marine accident branch says the investigation will focus on the emergency response of the uk team. our attentions to turkey . team. our attentions to turkey. lastly and more than 41,000 people are now known to have died following earthquakes in southern turkey and northern syria . uk charities and syria. uk charities and organised nations are to send emergency supplies worth more tha n £350,000 to turkey. eight than £350,000 to turkey. eight days after the disaster and syria's president has told the u.n, he'll open to more border crossings. so emergency aid can enter from neighbouring turkey . enter from neighbouring turkey. and here his majesty the queen has been meeting volunteers from the uk's turkish community.
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they've been sending back to their country to and syria in their country to and syria in the wake of last week's earthquakes. king charles, a west london charity to see the efforts of residents to help those left homeless. following the disaster, he told them how deeply sorry he was and he visited a pop up in trafalgar square named serious for syrians to come and pay respects to, lost relatives . that's it for lost relatives. that's it for me. i'm back in and out now. back to patrick . back to patrick. patrick action packed show tonight ladies on we're going to be having wild debates and taking innovative on stories that you will have seen throughout the course of the day. so to start us the office for national statistics publish, their labour market stats this morning and
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they affirmed frankly what we already knew that britain's labour market is in crisis and there currently well over there are currently well over 1 million vacancies in britain , million vacancies in britain, 5.2 million working age people are some kind of out of work. massive questions . look, some of massive questions. look, some of them, of course, will be just them, of course, will be just the right side of retirement age of them don't fancy working because they've already made their money. some of them will be ill, but some of them unquestionably be lazy. and unquestionably will be lazy. and the remains the question remains is the solution. now more immigration or getting off their backsides and into . well, it seems the nhs and into. well, it seems the nhs seems to think that immigration is the answer. it was seems to think that immigration is the answer . it was revealed is the answer. it was revealed this week that the recruitment team are to be sent out to india search of staff. but is this really sustainable the electorate consistently vote mass immigration about 5 million people on out of work benefit . people on out of work benefit. surely the solution lies in investing in our own and of the other question is what are people going to want to live? i will, by the way, just say,
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though, that if people over here can't be bothered out and can't be bothered to go out and do jobs, then frankly, we'll do the jobs, then frankly, we'll take we? i'm take all comers, won't we? i'm joined by journalist and former mep commentator mep o'flynn and the commentator nannder mep o'flynn and the commentator narinder kaur. of you, narinder kaur. both of you, thank very much. let's get also have firecracker here. have a firecracker here. nannder have a firecracker here. narinder immigration. the narinder is immigration. the answer to are, i suppose, out of work, unemployment, laziness crisis . well, this country needs crisis. well, this country needs immigration. the nhs is on its knees all kinds of industries are on their knees. and we've always needed immigration . always needed immigration. michael that was vital to this country back in the sixties because quite frankly, no one else would work in the steel foundries. and he would do double shifts and. and i'd say that the funny thing is, and i try not to laugh about it, patrick, is that yet stifle migration? let's stop immigration. and you know, brexit, brexit a severe impact on the nhs . nurses and doctors on the nhs. nurses and doctors we got them from the european. but now we've stopped that. we had no alternative but to go to india. so what makes me laugh is
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you stopped immigration now, but you stopped immigration now, but you brought it in from somewhere else. where's the logic , else. where's the logic, patrick? i'll throw it your way . just respond to that from the end of the well, i'm afraid narendra is quite wrong about the idea . the nhs workers from the idea. the nhs workers from the idea. the nhs workers from the went home or were expelled. i was looking a few minutes ago at a report from the house of commons library, which is a very well respected source of political research on the makeup of nhs staff . and they say it's of nhs staff. and they say it's overwhelmingly likely they're actually more eu staff in nhs than there were as of june 26. so there's been no great exodus . now of course we can go and plunder developing countries for their medical professionals , their medical professionals, just that that will be a short term stopgap. but i think used the key word which was sustainable say and it's not sustainable say and it's not sustainable . all we're doing is sustainable. all we're doing is stoking up the population crisis . house price prices , people by
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. house price prices, people by the way and they made 50. they feel they've got enough housing eqtu feel they've got enough housing equity to go out of the labour market earlier. and then you just get another round of the crisis or. narinder. i'll ask this question now, which is why do all these people live. we've got a housing crisis. we bring them over here. we've promised them over here. we've promised them a land of milk and honey. there's nowhere them even there's nowhere for them to even rest well, rest their heads. well, newcomers do contribute to net to this. do they reach the economy? we need migration. we've always immigrants. they help the economy. and i just find it really quite funny. that's one of rather than amusing language like invasion and we'll spend a billion on keeping everybody , albanians and keeping everybody, albanians and syrians in hotels instead of letting them work. let's not let the work . let's keep them in the work. let's keep them in a hotel and spend the work. let's keep them in a hotel and spen d £1,000,000,000 hotel and spend £1,000,000,000 when actually we've got a million jobs to fill. but you know, that's an point. that's an interesting point . that's an interesting point. that's an interesting point. that's an interesting point. that's an interesting point. patrick should we let young albanian men who just cross the channel work
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in our know no idea how you approach is that particularly thatis approach is that particularly that is the people who come here and join the queue and make a few applications come and work you let illegal migrant have the privilege of full access to the british labour market or you're creating a massive a massive marketplace . then what i saw not marketplace. then what i saw not finished talking about portugal and so i just repeat the end of that place. yeah. if you allow illegal migrants access to the uk labour market, you're creating an enormous pool factor for an expansion. i still higher levels of illegal and that's not for british people and it's also not fair on legal. i've got the highest migrant to come through a lawful channel narinder, i think. i suspect you might hit on an angle to this. the no one thought of. yeah. and possibly with good reason, it must be said, which is would you rather
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have people who just come across the channel. so people who would come here illegally but were here nonetheless would you rob the nhs bigwigs when to the our nhs bigwigs when to asylum seeker hotels and said anyone fancy being a nurse then go to india and do it? well actually yes because we've got so many here and i'm just we've got a million job vacancies yet. but let's keep them in hotels. and patrick and makes me really lost that you said okay to our labour market we've got a million jobs that need up and we've got a lot of british people who some of them are too lazy to do the actually and foreign is a keen to work they are hardworking my got in trouble james and against all the british people seem to have long—covid and lot of illnesses and they don't want to work well. hey, you know what? i don't disagree with some of what you've said that i would do disagree include the margaret. i'll tell you, patrick, our british too lazy not british people, too lazy not well i quite curious that
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nannder well i quite curious that narinder is sounding like dominic raab and priti patel in the day when they put out that right wing pamphlet saying that the british worker was one of the british worker was one of the laziest in the world, though i don't think that's true. i think that's a segment of the british workforce which has been allowed drift into inactivity and maybe has problems with motivation, poor mental health, you know, irregular inconsistent lifestyles . and if that i'm at lifestyles. and if that i'm at the bottom of the labour market you know so i agricultural employee employers and the like and they do say they at the wages they pay to attract consistent staff. so there is a sort of tail in the british labour market at the bottom of people who haven't given the skills, the aptitudes, the to succeed. that's but we must work on giving them that. yeah i'm just going to stick with you patrick, before i go back 70 because look, i it's pretty obvious where i am politically with still far i don't make any bones about that. but one area that i must say i do actually
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agree narinder is i if agree with narinder is i if people are struggling for motivation , then we all have bad motivation, then we all have bad days. we struggle with motivation. you've got to go get off your backside and make an effort because the world is there the taking is there for there the taking is there for the taking if you really, really work hard enough. and yes, you've got to get a little bit lucky, perhaps you don't get me wrong. but yes it is have to check people from india check if people from india are more inclined to here and take it all power to them. patrick your thoughts on that ? well, i your thoughts on that? well, i think the talking about levelling up as because it's true in some parts of the country than in others that the opportunities are there for. that's making some parts of the country are short of opportunities. but yeah you make a good point are . all school a good point are. all school leavers leaving with the attitude about a success in the world of work . do they feel world of work. do they feel they've got the right skills? have they been brought up with a strong work ethic or possibly not? i think we shouldn't exaggerate the percentage of
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people who are in that boat. we may be talking about 5 to 10, but over the whole workforce certainly adds up to a lot of people . and it's one of the nuts people. and it's one of the nuts that we have to crack. the other is people in their mid—fifties sort of age thinking , oh, well, sort of age thinking, oh, well, my house is worth three quarters of a million quid now for all this could say i've got my this that could say i've got my pension, i'll take 25% tax free and i don't fancy going on the guy amazes me. patrick talent amazes me how many people solidarity with the nhs and how many people who work in the nhs retire 50, decide they're not going to be bothered to. but no one to hear me out on this now. is it actually racist to take the best and the brightest from different countries? is this almost like a version of econo mic white colonialism. well, we'll go yeah we'll have you will have a neuroscience . well, will have a neuroscience. well, how about your heart doctors you come over here and it's a brain drain, isn't it, from some countries . well, look i'm countries. well, look i'm a little bit dubious to say it's
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racist because i get accused of using that card. however it is, it may virtue signalling that actually only what you really want you . and we only want the want you. and we only want the best when actually our own people won't even do the work they were working . and what the they were working. and what the funny thing the irony is funny thing is, the irony is stop migration . but where did we stop migration. but where did we get a million workers from? let's just stick them in hotels and not let them. i think we've got to we need the people, we need immigration and the nhs has always been propped up by immigration as an interesting discussion is obviously interesting discussion. we can't continue to have it. i'm afraid we're out of time. both you we're out of time. both of you must thoroughly enjoyed that. thank that's thank you very much. that's a former and former mep o'flynn and commentator narinder kaur. coming up , commentator narinder kaur. coming up, have you made the wrong career choice? because a british charity is hiring diversity a equality and inclusion directors with you will not believe the amount of money that they're on sit down. get yourself a cup of tea. you'll need be sitting down. because when i tell you how much money this around. well look
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ihope i hope you're sitting comfortably because in a matter of seconds i'm going to be revealing to you exactly what kind of chatter you earn if you decide to go into the lucrative of diversity officers. also i do have a very special missed , very have a very special missed, very valentine's day related guest, the end of the show, which i quite concerned about because my production team telling me production team are telling me about before that, about it. but before that, right. you earlier, i. right. i asked you earlier, i. is immigration solution? is immigration the solution? britain's i'm britain's labour shortage? i'm not into the in—box not going to into the in—box quickly. collins says they'll come handy when we're at war come in handy when we're at war with strong stuff golly with russia strong stuff golly can't imagine the snowflakes we have here are going to be much use. well, i think we'll see what we can get at this point
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when we koji ag says definitely not. we voted for less immigration in 2016 and in 2019, so we shouldn't foreign workers into our country under any circumstances. i don't go to i like strong borders as much the next man but we can't we have to be at least a points based immigration system. surely alan's says no . the way to solve alan's says no. the way to solve labour shortages is to make the feckless and lazy jobs instead of living off benefits . and you of living off benefits. and you know what i will actually say thank you, alan, because i know that some absolutely struggle with a variety of different things, there are plenty of people who are out of work because can't work and because they can't work and would be work. and we would love to be in work. and we resent idea that brexit resent the idea that brexit everyone unemployed is everyone up as the unemployed is some of like we're making some kind of like we're making them all off no but people i don't think especially younger generation are too busy looking at tik tok videos and people with fake quotes and quotes perfect lives and they don't like perfect lives and they don't ukeidea perfect lives and they don't like idea of doing a hard day's graft . that said, i essentially graft. that said, i essentially read alternative for a living and am aware of that anonymous
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and i am aware of that anonymous here. course it is plenty of here. of course it is plenty of excellent candidates throughout world and world have come here and thrived, basically saying we should more immigration to should have more immigration to fill the labour shortage. right. that's okay long that's your views. okay long mocked postcolonial gender mocked your postcolonial gender theory courses, but perhaps we've missed a trick. more and more diversity and inclusion offers a job advert with very salaries have been popping up the last few years up 70 to 88 nhs and civil service seemed to be going right just a short while by yesterday though , we while by yesterday though, we found one that tops a lot right . they welcome collection are looking for a chief diversity and inclusion officer and are planning to pay . and inclusion officer and are planning to pay . £211,000 a planning to pay. £211,000 a yeah planning to pay. £211,000 a year. i mean . green no, actually year. i mean. green no, actually it's year. i mean. green no, actually it' s £30,000 more than they are it's £30,000 more than they are putting to pay their chief strategy officer which says a lot of things. so perhaps if you are not so concerned about the morality of all of this, tell
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your kids some of their dreams of becoming doctors. pilot what's these days? what's a pilot? these days? engineers. they can do one or even politicians mean if you want to be a solicitor , you you want to be a solicitor, you you are you are lacking ambition because the salary that is more than the prime minister gets , than the prime minister gets, after all, is, of course, the equal say absolute tosh that we've got drivel out of people that. we've got drivel out of people that . so how this actually that. so how can this actually come to be, especially as these employees create to no profitable to companies profitable value to companies employ them with us get stuck into this is william place leader of the social democratic party. thank you very much . have party. thank you very much. have you ever thought about becoming a university ? no, i haven't. but a university? no, i haven't. but you've it. you've got to do something with all those humanities graduates. as you say, actually say, this is actually worthwhile. you think , worthwhile. now, do you think, telling to not try to telling your kids to not try to become a lawyer or a doctor just become a lawyer or a doctorjust do something like diversity courses ? some point it's true courses? some point it's true that it's a massive becoming a massive industry. you know, certainly hundreds of millions , certainly hundreds of millions, eventually billions will be spent on this any organisation,
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whether it's public sector, private sector or voluntary, seems to need these these new officers. and is this amazing ? officers. and is this amazing? yeah. 211,000 hands more than the prime minister gets paid about five or six times the average wage , you know, and average wage, you know, and really it's not i mean, it's a charity . it it's up to them what charity. it it's up to them what they do with their money. yeah. and it's up to their board what they. but the problem is in the pubuc they. but the problem is in the public sector you've got this creeping in all over the place. so i mean it's not just the, it's just we criticise the position, the post, they are actually quite divisive a lot of these things, you know actually more problems than they're worth but they're also displacing the goals of the organisations they work for. so you know i'm fashioned. okay, so if you if you were in charge of the wellcome collection it might be that your purpose in life is to exhibit curate the collection, not to transform society. no exactly this. let's talk about that because if you are on that
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salary or any salary or your job title is related to diversity, presumably aim to justify that salary and that would mean the only way i could at it really is only way i could at it really is on that making sure that your office looks the united nations even. office looks the united nations even . if that is not a fair even. if that is not a fair representation of what a society and the collection the art collection or whatever is as international and diverse and lgbtq+ friendly as it possibly can be instead of maybe i say it, people getting jobs on merit or artwork being showed on merit. well true. no. yeah. i mean, artwork should we should not be censoring artwork. okay. and one of the effects of having an office like that, by the way, the wellcome collection are already doing this. they did this in collection. this last year in a collection. so actually employed to so they actually employed to write their write criticisms of their collection. lot of collection. there's a lot of self—flagellation . you know, i self—flagellation. you know, i think, again, i'm a little bit old fashioned. i think if can't defend the very collection then then it's your job to defend.
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you shouldn't be working that is bafics you shouldn't be working that is basics. but i also think as well, if people really need a diversity of what they employ, so means that it they would be frothing . we need this person to frothing. we need this person to make sure to just save us from ourselves. i don't understand why they need it. and as you've said as well, do you think they naturally would try to push a political message or a societal message , things that don't need message, things that don't need it? well yes, they tend to do that they tend to look at everything through the of ultra racialized lens and don't they are keen on certain of diversity, but not others. i mean, they're not well, they're not keen on diversity of opinion all they there's only one type of opinion that they like and certainly they tend not be very interested in a social class ehhen interested in a social class either. that's something which you just forget about as well is interesting, actually. yes. because there is that side of diversity which be to diversity which would be to trying to really help the poor disadvantaged working class quite , often caucasian, not quite, often caucasian, not
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exclusively , who may be as exclusively, who may be as underpaid at school. but that's the wrong kind of diversity. it's the wrong kind. also, the tendency always is. i mean, that they're flagellate, they're looking at their own collection and going through it and sorting it but again. that's wrong. it out. but again. that's wrong. we it's the same we shouldn't be. it's the same as down. you as taking statues down. you won't learn history if you won't learn about history if you destroy no, indeed . destroy it. well, no, indeed. now, some people would say that this sign of progress, that this is a sign of progress, that there were racist incidents in there were racist incidents in the past. there are racist incidents today, and that, hey even if it costs you a whopping hundred £11,000 a year or even if it cost you in the of the nhs 60, 70, 80, whatever, but as long as you've got this person here it is, if it helps just one person that's worth it. well okay, let's, let's deal with helping people. okay. the wellcome trust is exhibits are mainly about medical history , mainly about medical history, right? so what they will be doing , what they last year doing, what they did last year was pay someone to criticise effectively , criticise. jeremy effectively, criticise. jeremy bentham in collection . bentham is in that collection. okay. they good at doing okay. they are good at doing that what i would like and i
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think it's unfair because they're good at doing that. what i to hear more of is i would like to hear more of is the control beacon of western medicine health. you medicine to global health. you hear little you don't hear very little that you don't look positives not look at the positives not looking you're trying looking forward. you're trying to and flagellate and say to dredge and flagellate and say this was terrible. well, that was the past. we can learn from it. let's hear a bit more it. well, let's hear a bit more positivity about malaria here treatments you know the treatments or you know the contribution science medicine contribution of science medicine globally . yeah indeed that just globally. yeah indeed that just appeared to be this relentless desire to pigeonhole people can . i just float an idea. i i'm . ijust float an idea. i i'm doing this novel now. i've just come up with this book, which is that you and i both to apply for a council logo, diversity officer roles and record and record the end. so we'll have surprise as and just say as we increase getting more desperate what we're willing to say about us about to be honest , what we're willing to say about us about to be honest, i don't think we've made shortlist think we've made the shortlist so sort us out. but on so this is sort us out. but on a serious note, i want to i want to get this across censorship of art, artwork is not a good idea.
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we thought about that in the step and we have a policy and our policy in relation this is i mean, okay, welcome. we do what they like to write, but in pubucin they like to write, but in public in public realm and public in the public realm and publicly funded any organisation of any kind in the public realm receives public money start censoring art exhibits will have of its funding removed. that's the policy that's what you need to do. that's interesting. yeah. so just emphasise that for us then. so as policies are available of course. but in terms of your so any one, who senses if you start selecting and censoring artefacts in your collection. yeah, it could be anywhere be gates at art gallery, it could be something, wolverhampton anywhere. so you start censoring them, you lose your funding . we don't approve your funding. we don't approve of it. you don't you will not learn anything if you do this. you've got to address the past, learn it. start learn from it. then start saying, look at this, saying, can't look at this, let's rid of collections. let's get rid of collections. as i'm worried , i'm very concerned i'm worried, i'm very concerned the people at the top of a collection that want to preserve the collection. yeah it's
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interesting, they? interesting, isn't they? actually, comes actually, i think it comes to trampling on other people who may be all coming up, a higher group people say, okay , group of people who say, okay, enough that now we don't want to get close to it. so get anyone got close to it. so what do is we'll that and what we'll do is we'll that and will only promote another particular of particular echelon of individual. about individual. i'm worried about where ends because if we where this ends because if we now valuing and it's going way if we value diversity and inclusion officer at all times what we value a nursing that to me is a concern that's a problem but within realm what we're talking about is curation and what we get to learn about and so on. and i'm concerned about censorship basically. i think where all this leads is their bafic where all this leads is their basic view. the woke progressives is there's only one view which is acceptable and that bleeds down into the and you know, when they talk about we just have a discussion about getting people into work what can we do to get the over fifties into work. and i'm not trying to pigeonhole every single 50, but some single person over 50, but some of would absolutely
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of them would be absolutely terrified an office terrified to walk into an office these because they just these days because they just house comment very house a comment on someone very innocently. before, you innocently. and before, you know, before, hey, joe know, you hold before, hey, joe and are sat for kind of hate and you are sat for kind of hate crime, but thank you very much. interesting well interesting policy as well actually. course the actually. that is course the wonderful william kristian niemietz was leader of the social democratic . now, we've social democratic. now, we've been to the welcome collection and a welcome said you're welcome now as a critic a leadership role. no my best wage will improve it yes. diversity and inclusion across all of our work. the post holder will be a member of welcomes executive leadership team the salary like all salaries it welcome is benchmark to the marketplace for equivalent roles and that i think is an interesting thing, isn't it? because if they've they've tagged down so the going rate for someone with that job how many millionaire diversity officers are we dealing with our people shock that the people at shock anyway that the collection now we've contacted them for comment coming up it's houday them for comment coming up it's holiday time people we justify
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it at a like this when people have to between heating and eating we've allegedly got nest going to food banks to millions of pounds be to genocidal regimes overseas. i don't think so example you may be surprised not in the current climate . it's not in the current climate. it's a loan that we send rather a lot of money buy possibly the actual taliban. you will not want to miss this .
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welcome back. now, in 2021, the cash strapped uk government sent £50 million worth of our foreign aid to china yesterday. the uk's development minister said that sending taxpayer money to china was virtually impossible defend unlike china, which of course is very easy to defend as spends just an unbelievable amount of
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its own money. every single year on its national defence. china has the second biggest economy in the world and is thriving off a chunk of our foreign aid budget . meantime, of course some budget. meantime, of course some of our older generation they battle against rising energy costs shopping bills about £50 million went to a country with a genocidal regime . we got muslims genocidal regime. we got muslims into forced labour camps sterilisation all harvesting for goodness sake not money frankly could be better spent supporting our own. and here to discuss this is former conservative mp and minister edwina currie, a human rights lawyer. david. hey, david, thank you very . why don't david, thank you very. why don't we just scrap foreign aid altogether ? i think i think from altogether? i think i think from certainly from a human rights perspective, i'll leave the rest as we just talk about from a human rights perspective. you there that certainly there is evidence that certainly in of developing human rights that foreign aid can be of great but of course it needs to be targeted. there needs to be evidence based reasons why we give it to countries . and there
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give it to countries. and there needs to be results both in terms of human and other terms of human rights and other areas. think, you know, areas. and think, you know, you've but you've mentioned china here, but the criteria put china the current criteria put china on list. also put a number on that list. also put a number of other countries. and if look at the top 20, it's literally a who's who of dictators, despots , some of them are which the worst abuses rights, worst abuses of human rights, including women's and lgbt rights. so i think needs to be an overall review of who's the list, how we put them on the list, how we put them on the list and what do with them once they're on the list. okay. edwina, every day around this time, roughly 7000 military veterans roll out a sleeping bag and curl up on the streets of britain. but meanwhile, we've got 50 million large for china we've got something like 186 million quid for afghanistan , million quid for afghanistan, which is very much in the grips of the taliban. so we could all imagine why that money to edwina, what's going on? well, i'm not sure i would totally agree with the figure. you've
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just produced for military veterans with their sleeping bags. that sounds a bit of a an exaggeration to me. but what is going on is that for a very long we've given a lot of aid, and this is government. this isn't the money that is raised through charities that get sent to many countries. this is government aid and most of it goes government to government or government to government or government to government agency like some of the quieter united nafions like some of the quieter united nations agencies that do good work in 2021. patrick we spent £11.4 billion and that was down 3 billion on the year before because rishi sunak then chancellor had cut it from 0.7% of gdp to nought point 5, which i think a more realistic figure now looking at what's actually being spent , now looking at what's actually being spent, china. andrew mitchell the secretary of state, to be fair has been banging on about this for a very long time
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, even under david cameron last time when he was questioning why we were sending official aid to or to india for that and on the bafis or to india for that and on the basis of the same argument and that that's why he's looking at more carefully now officially . more carefully now officially. it goes to chinese students to get them to come to england. and i'm thinking , oh, what? so that i'm thinking, oh, what? so that means we're probably helping china's students at the moment by helping our own students . and by helping our own students. and it's going on british council activities which are there to promote things like trade . and i promote things like trade. and i tell you what, i think has actually been happening. the foreign office budget has been cut very substantially . foreign cut very substantially. foreign office and they obviously say budgets were some time ago they the two offices that combine . the two offices that combine. and i think they've just been shifting where they inherited wanat because i want to come back to you, david can we
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justify really any expenditure at the moment when ? we have got at the moment when? we have got massive, massive of crisis at the minute, just right now. should we pause it for a year ? i should we pause it for a year? i mean, i think , i think you need mean, i think, i think you need to look at it on a case by case basis. i think there are well placed invest and donations in terms of international development will reap rewards for us in the future. but that's something for the government current policy to look at. so i don't think something that we should pause temporarily , should pause temporarily, permanently we need to look at case by case basis. but i do think we need to see both in terms human developments that terms of human developments that we obviously, know, when you we obviously, you know, when you look at top 20 look at again, at the top 20 lists, the majority of them criminalise lgb activity. so is that something we should be supporting in regard or should we be expecting results back in terms of human rights but also in is it now time for in of trade? is it now time for a review to look at what are we getting back in terms of trade and other diplomatic benefits? and that's something and i think that's something that to overall that needs to be an overall review. should on the
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review. china should be on the list. know, india is on the list. you know, india is on the list. you know, india is on the list. you know, india is on the list. you at the likes of list. you look at the likes of jordan, etc. well exactly. i'm completely understand the soft power to and that's power element to and that's great. i i a lot of great. i want i want a lot of soft but at the same soft power. but at the same time, i do think if you've got if you're trying to send someone to or mars or you have to the moon or mars or you have got a whopping great big nuclear reactors, i'm not convinced that you necessarily a huge amount of taxpayers and i edwina , does it taxpayers and i edwina, does it look a little bit at the minute in britain like we've always got money for everyone else but not our own ? oh, yeah , it looks like our own? oh, yeah, it looks like that, especially when you're talking about government money. i remember going to a meeting in bangladesh some years ago being very impressed with the number of white limousines that we were being ferried around in that belonged to the families government and had been paid for almost certainly by our money. what? meanwhile, we were going to see project that were being paid for by private money by
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charity money that were looking after the very poorest . a lot of after the very poorest. a lot of this is funding corrupt let's let's make no bones it i'm quite sure your other guests and i would agree that as a wealthy country we should be keeping up our end and doing our bit. i mean, for example, sending money to with the earthquake in to help with the earthquake in italy, which is a really needs a lot of support but it can't be done without proper scrutiny . done without proper scrutiny. and i think the scrutiny is going to put an end to us giving money to china. david, i'll throw about your on this one now because a lot of people have been saying what's been going on in channel, for example, in the channel, for example, it's interesting hotel it's interesting that the hotel quite a large chunk of that is coming out of our foreign aid budget, which i think will please not please people. it's not all additional i've found from additional money i've found from somewhere, when you look at somewhere, but when you look at the human rights situation, i could win it was mentioning there in turkey, syria, the british raised british public have raised something like 60 million quid for that, is about for that, which is about plastic. i it's incredible
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plastic. i mean, it's incredible when think about it, should we maybe a country be left to maybe a country just be left to our own devices? it the our own devices? is it the government's right to say this amount? your tax money is going towards aid ? should just towards foreign aid? should just the ordinary british citizen be free to make charitable donations and leave it donations they want and leave it at that yeah, i think it's not at that? yeah, i think it's not so much a human rights point, but i think there should be a bit both. of course bit of both. i think of course everyone, everyone to donate to humanitarian when humanitarian crisis is when they come come up. come and they will come up. they'll up and china, etc. they'll come up and china, etc. you know, there will be in china, as we saw recently in terms of things mining and, terms of things like mining and, where been captured terms of things like mining and, wistuck been captured terms of things like mining and, wistuck and been captured terms of things like mining and, wistuck and that been captured terms of things like mining and, wistuck and that we aen captured terms of things like mining and, wistuck and that we needaptured terms of things like mining and, wistuck and that we need toured or stuck and that we need to help with our technology. but i think there should a donation think there should be a donation , an overseas development budget where actually give money. but that needs to show a benefit for human rights and trying to bring on that, david, i will ask you about the human rights situation specifically china now is it specifically in china now is it what we what we helping with that with million quid in that human rights cesspit. i think i mean, in reality,
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human rights cesspit. i think i mean, in reality , £50 million mean, in reality, £50 million might seem a lot from watching in terms of it's a very, very small. but this a country that is one of the worst human rights abuses, if not the worst on the planet in terms of what they do . and is we in a sense, the amount of corruption in government slash u.n. programmes of is staggering and that's of aid is staggering and that's something no accountability no in terms of results that seeing back in terms of human rights or trade and industry back and that's something needs an overall review. so think the overall review. so i think the review the consideration of the china issue is good it needs to go deeper and further. look, both we thank you very much. absolute pleasure as always . absolute pleasure as always. hayes and both of you look like you have lovely i've you have lovely houses. i've thought every single thought about every single spoken now i just spoken to you, so now i just thought it to you both thought i'd, say it to you both all once. there we go. well, all at once. there we go. well, what conservative mp, a minister, doing to curry and human lawyer david hay as human rights lawyer david hay as well not we should well on whether or not we should stop altogether. stop human rights altogether. foreign i'm going to foreign aid. i'm not going to fire that were covered fire people that were covered up. of the up. are we looking some of the pummels you've been sending pummels that you've been sending and been asking to and i've been asking you to
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pummel valentine's day. pummel me. it's valentine's day. i've team up sets of i've got my team up sets of a mystery guest as well. yes. so you can email me. there's still a of time the a bit of time for the pummelling. asked me and i pummelling. so asked me and i think i will endeavour to answer. yes. i am quite intrigued about this is mystery valentine's day. i've got valentine's day. guess i've got no what's happening. no idea what's happening. by the way, i much in the dark. way, i am as much in the dark. you so do you want to find you are. so do you want to find out who this supposed mystery game? better be mystery game? better be good. mystery guest just got off stage guest is you just got off stage
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welcome back, everybody. now it's welcome back, everybody. now wsfime welcome back, everybody. now it's time to get your pummelling. it is insane. i've been asking to ask me questions throughout the course, the show. and this is why we talk about them. so philip says, how do you get time to feed your hamster? sheila if you're always on a well, this is interesting now. okay, for those of you who don't
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know, which appears to be everyone, because keep getting emails in about this. i did decide one very bored afternoon he did a pat and. i decided that i could have got a dog because i'm always here. i didn't fancy a cat in a moody and they don't love you. and so i decided to go for a hamster. i call it sheila. sheila, kitty. just once every few days, actually. so thank you very much. yes. also, as i said before , she is syrian. so i'm before, she is syrian. so i'm doing my bit. loris says what is the most unexpected of advice you have ever received ? oh, you have ever received? oh, never start a campaign that you don't know. you're already going win. that was one of my old adages. newspaper local journalists, they are a pet of sage wisdom. and that's good . sage wisdom. and that's good. whenever you see a campaign that's been by a newspaper or a media outlet, they already know that they're going to win it. so they already have the mvp's up. they'll have the number they already have the mvp's up. thvotes have the number they already have the mvp's up. thvotes that have the number they already have the mvp's up. thvotes that needfe the number they already have the mvp's up. thvotes that need orthe number they already have the mvp's up. thvotes that need or numberber they already have the mvp's up. thvotes that need or number of of votes that need or number of people to sign a petition, for example, will always be planning ahead. don't shoot ahead. so basically don't shoot into the dark and hope for the
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best sean says what would be a perfect romance in bright city or an adventure . well, you say, or an adventure. well, you say, sean, the thing to me is i don't dnnk sean, the thing to me is i don't drink these days. okay. so the idea for me of lying on a beach is some kind of all inclusive resorts would we'd resorts would i think we'd probably 20 minutes probably be about 20 minutes before was pounding on bar before i was pounding on the bar . so i like keep active, . so i like to keep active, which i'm gonna which is what i'm just gonna say. also can't skate, by the say. i also can't skate, by the way, absolute nearly way, absolute disaster nearly not schumacher not myself on alex schumacher myself one point it was terrible, yes, i would terrible, but yes, i would always keep busy. jean always want to keep busy. jean is now . how you improve is on now. how would you improve the stay in britain? jane i've got 10 minutes left here. i'm going to go . wait, jane. all going to go. wait, jane. all right. but i would deliver on some of the promises this country has already laid out for itself. would say border itself. i would say border controls of laws, controls properly of our laws, our borders and our money and i would seriously start britain up instead of being apologetic for it, apologising for his past, apologising for the people that we've got here now, apologising for the future . the one thing for the future. the one thing that i think we need more of
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genuinely is ambition and people. and ambition doesn't pay the me what the bills. well, tell me what misery either, anyway. misery doesn't either, anyway. james what's favourite james says, what's favourite word kerfuffle and says, are you wearing a toupee. no one. this is my hair. but thank you very, very much for making me feel better about myself. right. okay think i still have a pub and i guess and say i quite an eclectic mix of people. so as i said, wasn't really sure what my team had planned for this final segment. but i should say that's only made i made the shameful decision to be here with you tonight rather than being with the missus on valentine's . now, the missus on valentine's. now, look, hey, come on. we lots of fun really. we have lots of fun, don't we? and i feel i feel i owe it to the public. i'm sure. we see you. the mystery guest is then shall we? i see what's happened. right. okay. i'm late. yes, i. i am. i am very sorry for being here. is that if it
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makes you feel . feel better, makes you feel. feel better, i've. i've got you. i've got your phone. i present it so it is a potted plant in a gb news broken mug is all right. i mean, i think that there i'm all dressed up with , nowhere to go. dressed up with, nowhere to go. i'm sat here lonely, you know the washing up to do glass of rose at least for so that is my valentine's talking to you zoom link. oh no. okay. oh i am very sorry as well i didn't tell you, did i, that i was doing this show because i thought you'd be angry with. oh, you angry with me ? disappointed oh, this is me? disappointed oh, this is just cutting, isn't it? that's just cutting, isn't it? that's just because. alright, well i'll be home in about an hour and a half and i think, it looks as though i'm probably on washing up duty. doesn't say so. very sorry. i that is sorry. i think that is definitely case. yes it is . you definitely case. yes it is. you frosty. frosty valentine's . frosty. frosty valentine's. emily. all right. well, look , i emily. all right. well, look, i mean. all right, okay. well thank you very much. avidly
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cover that, ladies and gentlemen , is, of course, a good present . also a very very angry face film, say this evening, i hope you are all going to have a wonderful valentine's day evening on the view forgotten. look if you have forgotten what you could do is, of course, just the old cardiff. well, valentine's day is just a it's a combo chock companies and card company designed to sell stuff because that's how they really get you really silly. what that means is and i'm sorry if your husband is just add this to your partner or whatever or even even a modern world, even the your your girlfriend, whoever it is, because they forgot . it's because they forgot. it's because they forgot. it's because they forgot and they're trying cover all up and they trying to cover all up and they don't to feel let down. don't want you to feel let down. i just believe that. by i just can't believe that. by the why are people so dead the way, why are people so dead against day? it's against valentine's day? it's just to say that you just an excuse to say that you love each other . and what is love each other. and what is wrong with that anyway? i do obviously have a lot of making up to do. the gb news potted plants a broken gb news mug is
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not going to it. but look, not going to cause it. but look, i want to say you very much i just want to say you very much to who getting to everyone who has been getting in and i enjoyed, of course, the pummelling that got it does sound i'm going to get sound as though i'm going to get the when i get the very negative one when i get home well. but next, we home as well. but up next, we are to be joined by dan are going to be joined by dan wasn't the dan watson he is man the myth the legend and he is here what coming up here dan what we got coming up was that a genuine surprise just in patriots don't know in patriots did you don't know that happening. yeah i did that was happening. yeah i did it be honest he she it knows but to be honest he she seems doesn't well, seems miffed, doesn't she. well, yes. and you know, by the looks of, the size of the bunch of flowers in the dressing room that yesterday she should that i saw yesterday she should be if you don't see me be missed. if you don't see me then it should have then over there it should have been 40 times size. i know. been 40 times the size. i know. i i'm not good at this i know. i'm not good at this stuff done. i'm not going to. it's i've managed to it's a wonder i've managed to look dan look engaged anyway. right. dan coming i to spend coming up, i want to spend valentine me because valentine night with me because we brilliant we have absolutely brilliant line . nigel farage tom bower, line. nigel farage tom bower, stephen glover. it is all going on tonight . oh, dan watson, you on tonight. oh, dan watson, you legend. right. okay, make sure you stay for tom watson. it
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never disappoints and. it won't. tonight, what a way to spend your valentine's evening. i'm going to go over and apologise a bit . good evening. welcome the bit. good evening. welcome the latest weather update from the met. i'm jonathan vautrey after a fairly dry couple of weeks. some of us are going to see a bit more rainfall on the cards as we move into the second half of this week. the high pressure has been with us is slowly drifting way off towards continental europe. it's allowing this feature to allowing this frontal feature to move in from the west. move its way in from the west. so whilst it will be dry initially northern ireland and scotland, see some scotland, we will see some heavier rain moving heavier bursts of rain moving in. so during the second half of the night, to east the night, further to the east we onto some fairly dry and we hold onto some fairly dry and clear conditions that will allow fog patches to form and they could dense could be particularly dense across southeast areas across some southeast areas of patchy also as well down patchy frost. also as well down low single figures for towns and cities. the increasing breeze though will help the fog off a bit quicker than tuesday morning. meanwhile watch this frontal system move its in and provide again some heavier
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bursts for a time. but it will to fizzle its way out as it moves across england and wales. so turning patchier and lighter throughout the day we'll hold onto the milder air in the southeast . so onto the milder air in the southeast. so highs of onto the milder air in the southeast . so highs of 1514 southeast. so highs of 1514 degrees a relatively pleasant day here but further to the west will just be that bit cooler, particularly where the particularly where we've got the breeze around and a could a breeze around and a could be a fairly blustery for some fairly blustery day for some dunng fairly blustery day for some during overnight periods. during the overnight periods. the frontal feature continues to keep away and it's more this second front that will start pushing in across southern areas of uk , providing some fairly of the uk, providing some fairly drizzly , dismal conditions. of the uk, providing some fairly drizzly , dismal conditions . that drizzly, dismal conditions. that will persist throughout thursday and is looking like a fairly grey and, drab day for most of us. it will be northern areas of scotland that some of the sunny skies underneath that cloud, it's not necessarily going to feel as particularly pleasant as late, but it's more into thursday night where we'll have got to watch points for some particularly strong winds that will start moving across northern areas of the uk. these could provide 70 mile an hour
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