well hello there at 6:00. i'm michelle dewberry and this is dewbs & co the best debenture in dewbs& co the best debenture in town . that's what i reckon it town. that's what i reckon it is. coming up tonight, nicholas sturgeon has resigned and did that shock. shocking, by the way , did you see it coming or not.7 and what do you make of the

news? i used someone that's saying yes, good riddance when it or do you think it happens or do you think actually it's all a sham? your thoughts? what next as well for scotland, britain, independence . and what the top jobs . and what about the top jobs for women? can hack it or for women? can they hack it or not? and in wales they scrap pretty much all of their major road projects. why to protect the environment is being called a breath of move by some. i tell you know it's been called not worst thing is by others. do you agree with it or do you just think it's all a bit much? and a war on cars? and do you agree with the following statement? you ready? the world is controlled by a secretive elite . yes. oh, look, many people do indeed agree with that statement . what does it mean? who are these elites and what are they also? and when it comes to asylum seekers, red wall areas, asylum seekers, red wall areas, a housing civil times, as many asylum seekers per person as the south—east of england . why is south—east of england. why is that fair ? doesn't sound it to

that fair? doesn't sound it to me. what about you ? we'll get me. what about you? we'll get into all of that. but first off, let's bring ourselves up to speed, shall we, with tonight's latest headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle, thank you middlehurst. michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, within the last few minutes, you'll reflect on that breaking news that is just come to us at gb news that lancashire police have made a statement about the missing mum of two, nicola bully. they saying she had a history of significant issues with alcohol, which they say was brought on by her ongoing struggles with the menopause . struggles with the menopause. they also said officers attended her property on the 10th of january over a concern for welfare. they're not saying for whose welfare, but they are saying no one was arrested in relation to that incident. but investigations continue . you. investigations continue. you. and of course, detectives are continuing to say that nicola was listed as a high risk missing person, due to a number

of specific vulnerable abilities earlier on. they refused to disclose those vulnerabilities , disclose those vulnerabilities, but it certainly seemed in the last hour that a couple more details have now come out from lancashire police . well, lancashire police. well, speaking earlier at a news conference, they said there's still no evidence to indicate a criminal aspect or a third party involvement in the missing case of nicola pulley. the 45 year old has been missing. now for 19 days. we'll bring you more on that, of course, throughout the evening of news here on gb news. well, also, our top story today on gb news. rishi sunak has been speaking about nicholas sturgeon and thanking her for her service . after the first minister made a surprise announcement, she has to step down after eight years in power. ms. sturgeon said she was proud to have been the first female and longest serving first minister of scotland. she'll remain in her role until her successor is appointed. ms. sturgeon acknowledged that the move might seem sudden, but denied it was due to short term pressures and said she'd been

wrestling with the idea for some weeks for. to those who do feel shocked, disappointed , perhaps shocked, disappointed, perhaps even a bit angry with me. please know that while hard and be in no doubt this is really hard for me. my decision comes from a place of duty and of love. tough love, perhaps, but love nevertheless for my party and above all, for the country . above all, for the country. well, let's get reaction to that now and take you live to hollyrood, where our political edhon hollyrood, where our political editor, darren mccaffrey is standing by for us. and how has this news been received where you are, darren? i think it has come as a shock, not just here in scotland, but right across the uk. you only have to look at the uk. you only have to look at the messages that nicholas sturgeon has been receiving from different political different party political leaders that policy. leaders to realise that policy. this has come as a surprise, but maybe , maybe when you dig down maybe, maybe when you dig down the signs, were there not least of all, on this big constitutional question of independence, the snp at the moment seem boxed not really

moment seem boxed in, not really having an avenue to have a second referendum. it's supreme courts and the uk government, those parts. but also big questions about the snp's record in government when it comes to health and education here in scotland. two but be in no doubt this will be a significant blow, not just to the snp, but in the attendance movement here in scotland. nicholas sturgeon has been a very effective leader and campaign partner for that independence movement and despite the tensions today, paula, i would suggest that actually some of the events in recent weeks, particularly around the gender recognition bill and the fallout from that must have weighed heavily on nicholas sturgeon and while it may not have the cause, may not have been the cause, i think it has expedited that decision to call it a decision for her to call it a day . darren mccaffrey thanks day. darren mccaffrey thanks very indeed. now the labour very much indeed. now the labour leader has apologised on behalf of his party for the handling of antisemitism complaints under his predecessor, jeremy corbyn. sir keir starmer said today he confirmed mr. corbyn won't be

standing down, standing rather for labour at the next general election and the equality and human rights commission announced it will end its monitoring of the party. two years after finding it responsible for unlawful harassment and discrimination. sir keir starmer said action not just an apology, was needed to all those who were hurt , to all all those who were hurt, to all those who were let down. to all those who were let down. to all those driven out of our party who no longer felt it was their home, who suffered the most appalling abuse. today on behalf of the entire labour party , i of the entire labour party, i say sorry . what you've been say sorry. what you've been through could never be undone . through could never be undone. apologies alone cannot make it right . you new leaders have said right. you new leaders have said further strikes by teachers will go ahead after disappointing talks with the education secretary, the general secretary of the national education union, kevin courtney, said nothing had persuaded those around the

negotiating table to stop strike action, which is planned for next week. parents know that their children's education has been disrupted every day and our action has a higher moral purpose that we are we are trying to get the government to invest in this generation of children, not just tell us they will invest in a generation of children in the future. they need to invest in the kids, in the schools now in order to help improve their education. kevin courtney. that's for all me for now. i back in an hour. let's get more now from michelle in dewbs& co . dewbs& co. thanks for that, polly. well, i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 this evening. and alongside me , this evening. and alongside me, i've got ben habib, the former brexit party mep and the ceo of fast property group, and joe phillips, the political commentator and former adviser to the lib dems. good evening.

reunhe to the lib dems. good evening. reunite this evening very happy about that. and it's amazing what you found out at break, what you found out at the break, everyone, just everyone, because i've just discovered are discovered that these two are keeping company in doncaster keeping me company in doncaster . march the 15th. are you coming along at budget day? we'll be getting to grips with the announcement , mate. what do you announcement, mate. what do you reckon? they'll be interesting . reckon? they'll be interesting. those announcements? well, it will interesting to see if will be interesting to see if we've got any prospect of economic recovery worth it. it'll interesting staying to it'll be interesting staying to see any tax cuts in see if there's any tax cuts in there as well. pressure is there as well. the pressure is on i'm not optimistic. on somehow. i'm not optimistic. i doubt it very much. anyway, get your tickets if you haven't already . but coming up tonight, already. but coming up tonight, there's a lot that i to get there's a lot that i want to get into with you, nicholas sturgeon resignation. announced. resignation. been announced. what do you make of that? dividing opinion. i can tell you that one. do you think this world is controlled by a secret of elites? yes if so, who are they? what are their plans? what is their agenda? your thoughts on that? and wales? banning so many major world projects now because of zara. it's been

called world beating a brave . called world beating a brave. it's been called stupid as well . and many other things by other people where do you stand on it? and asylum seekers? disproportionately in the red wall, particularly north. what do you make to that ? is it fair? do you make to that? is it fair? i certainly think not. but what says you , by the way, that says you, by the way, that nicola bully story that we just had in the bulletin. such a strange story. and i feel so sorry for her little girls . now. sorry for her little girls. now. the police are about to come out and tell us about these alcohol issues that it's a bit it's all right. i think, you know, nobody watching and following can watching and following this can feel than feel anything other than absolute, heartfelt for absolute, heartfelt sympathy for her , her sister, the her family, her sister, the children , her partner and children, her partner and everybody who knew her. but i'm afraid , as peter , the former afraid, as peter, the former detective who was on patrick's christian earlier, was saying, you know, the police have got themselves to blame for a lot of this. they haven't closed down the social media speculation . the social media speculation. they said today she'd got vulnerabilities . we're not going vulnerabilities. we're not going to go into and then, you to go into them. and then, you know, hours later,

know, several hours later, they revealed those revealed exactly what those vulnerabilities . and i vulnerabilities are. and i think, you know , if there's been think, you know, if there's been too much speculation , there's too much speculation, there's been too many people trying to been too many people trying to be amateur sleuths , it is be amateur sleuths, it is obviously a huge tragedy. whatever the outcome is and the build up to whatever has happened. build up to whatever has happened . but i think the police happened. but i think the police have not handled it very well. yeah, we are a nation . our way yeah, we are a nation. our way of kind of armchair experts on absolutely everything. cassie as well, off social media. ben it is, and i suppose this is an opinion based programme, so we're going to espouse an opinion. but i mean i think with nicola bully, i mean i've been watching it slightly circumspectly, wondering really is a national issue? as you is this a national issue? as you say, it's tragic for the for her family, for her little girls . family, for her little girls. but it transpires that this but if it transpires that this is an accident or, you know, she took her own life or i mean, i don't want to speculate. not speculate. yeah. whatever, you know, whatever happened, this this merit all that this didn't merit all that speculation by the police, national media and everything

else and all that. it served to do. if that transpires to be the case is to make things worse for the family. yeah, it goes there as what's the case is it's such as what's the case is it's such a peculiar story, but i how i just feel so sorry for these little girls. two daughters. and apparently they were asking the of the day, mommy famous? of the day, is mommy famous? i mean, how do even answer mean, how do we even answer that? can imagine ghastly people, you trolls and people, you know, trolls and people, you know, trolls and people , tourists, know and people, tourists, you know and i also as well, i do feel a bit bad because there are so many people that have got missing relatives and they have no idea where relatives gone. where these relatives have gone. and i wonder, how do they feel when see the resources, when they see the resources, etc, this case and etc, going into this case and perhaps cases of perhaps not into the cases of their relatives anywhere? let me know your thoughts, richard. i like just said like you. you've just said michelle, you've just described your the best in your show was the best show in town. your undies selling yourself the best bit show on yourself is the best bit show on tv period . we love it. yeah we tv period. we love it. yeah we do. richard is my brother , you do. richard is my brother, you know? i'm just kidding. just kidding. you doncaster. no, but

if you are in doncaster, get yourself . we've had to travel. yourself. we've had to travel. why not? it's a good night out. you love me? your love for us will be good. molly and says i agree with you, michelle the best show ever keep it up. best bit show ever keep it up. that's my new description of my show. it's the best of debate show. it's the best of debate show tv. that's what i think. show on tv. that's what i think. and what going to and that's what i'm going to start to it as. start referring to it as. anyway, let's get of anyway, let's get into one of those debate, shall we? nicholas sturgeon resigned. sturgeon she as resigned. have you i have to say you seen it today? i have to say it shocked me a little bit. i wasn't expecting it. many people have been calling for it for quite some but so often quite some time, but so often those don't happen those things don't happen anyway. first anyway. i've been happy first and were you shocked and foremost. were you shocked by i surprised. by the news? i was surprised. i mean, i think as recently as ten days ago, she said she had more in tank and here she is ten in the tank and here she is ten days later going. and you wonder whether something behind whether there's something behind it we're not yet it about which we're not yet aware, you know, whether there's some some scandal and, some detail or some scandal and, you know, the snp is not without its scandals, is it? you know, alex salmond had a cloud over him for a while and investigations going and i investigations going on and i think there's queries of

think there's some queries of a £600,000 gone missing from party funds or something, you know, so there's a lot of this kind of stuff going on with the snp and i don't discuss conspiracy theories later. we are, but you just wonder whether there was a trigger i don't think it trigger point. i don't think it was a transgender issue. she's quite capable and thick skinned enough and robust enough to have taken that mistake of hers in her stride. i don't think that would be big enough to topple a politician of her standing . and politician of her standing. and by the way, she's a first class politician. whatever you think of her policies and, you know, the way she conducts herself, she is a first class communicator and politician . so communicator and politician. so i don't she's saying she'll remain as an ms. pace. i don't she's saying she'll remain as an ms. pace . you're remain as an ms. pace. you're just stepping down as first minister. yeah, but there's something there, isn't there? which we're not aware of. well, there were something alluded to earlier that she'd to the earlier that she'd been to the funeral of a long time and yeah . the day before. yes. work or all. but anyway, i certainly a colleague. i didn't think it was an msp, but somebody who she'd

worked with closely. and worked with very closely. and it might that, know , might have been that, you know, that sort of thing that that was the sort of thing that makes that life is makes you realise that life is very . i mean there is very short. i mean there is a wonderful word , a scottish word wonderful word, a scottish word called scotland, which has been doing the rounds, which basically means you've had it up to here, you're exhausted , to here, you're exhausted, you've run out of fuel. i mean, i was terribly surprised , but it i was terribly surprised, but it had echoes of jacinda ahern, the new zealand premiers. that's exactly what i thought when i was watching. i mean it was almost word for word and you know, actually i think it's rather brave if that is the case to say i can't do it anymore, i can't do it as well as i want to and i completely agree with brian. i think nicholas sturgeon has announced funding has been announced funding politician. been my sieve politician. she's been my sieve in scotland and whatever you think of her policies , whatever think of her policies, whatever you think of the snp, she has been an inspiration to many , been an inspiration to many, many women and girls to go into pubuc many women and girls to go into public life. and i think , you public life. and i think, you know, she's always behaved with great and grace. and do great dignity and grace. and do you this whole kind of you think this whole kind of self—reflection , you know, or

self—reflection, you know, or maybe i've reached the end of the line, whatever. my heart's not because i thought not in it because i thought about jacinda ardern well. is about jacinda ardern as well. is it a female? i'm going to be really blunt. can females just not hack it in the top job? oh, i think i think i think women are much bolder in saying it's time for me to go. whereas i think men will go on and you know, we see it at the moment with this worn out government that we've got here, westminster government, they're all exhausted . they've run out of exhausted. they've run out of ideas. they've come up with lehengas. you know, the next lehengas. and you know, the next best bread, best thing to sliced bread, i think are i think women think women are i think women are willing to say, i'm not able to do this to the best of my abilities. and i think it's time for someone else to take up. i mean, i have to say that i think the whole gender recognition thing and the supreme court knock back will have had a huge impact. so what do you i think the supreme court bigger impact than the transgender thing. but i think that really pulled the rug out from us. yes, it did.

because then what? are you going into elections? yeah you know, which aren't that very far away. what going fight on? what are you going to fight on? because, you know, education and health are not doing brilliantly in but i think, you in scotland. but i think, you know, her and her know, she her record and her legacy will be fantastic , i legacy will be fantastic, i should imagine. this is probably very good news for labour in scotland . what effect it has on scotland. what effect it has on the party. i'm sure, says her legacy. yeah, i disagree about the legacy. i think the legacy awful. yeah, i was a fantastic choice. but the legacy is awful. i mean, but as a voice for scotland then, but as a voice for what kind of scotland you know, on the one hand, on the one hand, she talks about this need for independence. and, you know , obviously that's her know, obviously that's her prince appeal policy aim , but prince appeal policy aim, but she's not truthful about it, is she? because she's not actually going to deliver independence. what she's going to do is take scotland out of the union of great britain and northern ireland and insert it straight into the european union. that's the aim. well, and it's not

borne out of the desire for a proud, independent scotland , proud, independent scotland, which, by the way, i think could easily be an economic success. you know , people always trash you know, people always trash the prospect of an independent scotland based on economic . and scotland based on economic. and i go there . the idea i wouldn't go there. the idea that 5 million scots determined to make a success of themselves would fail to do so is, i think, a flawed concept and an insult to the scottish base. i agree with you, but do i want scotland leaving the union of great britain? northern ireland? i do not do i think they have a much brighter future in the united kingdom? i do. you know , we have kingdom? i do. you know, we have cultural, historic ties and so i think she's been damaging actually for the fabric of the country. she's been damaging at a funder mental economic level in scotland . education, health, in scotland. education, health, education and health aside, just, you know, have all suffering very badly. but you know, there are things that she has done, you know, she's been really good on the environment and she was brilliant during

covid. very clear. she covid. she was very clear. she had great empathy. again, very much like jacinda ahern. i think she's totally prologue lots she's totally prologue that lots of people have been getting in touch by the way, that are in scotland. brian says as a proud scotsman , i am delighted she is scotsman, i am delighted she is going. she has been the most divisive politician since margaret thatcher. that says bnan margaret thatcher. that says brian and says as a scottish resident , i brian and says as a scottish resident, i am delighted she's gone. just slightly apprehensive as to which incompetent snp loser will be her successor . so loser will be her successor. so that's ian's we're and going to pick that point open the second who's this . louise says i didn't who's this. louise says i didn't see her resignation coming, but i'm absolutely delighted that she has. maybe now we will have a decent leader who will place more importance in running scotland . cyril says this is the scotland. cyril says this is the best news i've had in a long, long time. hip, hip, hooray. so i'll work members and get brexit done right? who's going to be the next leader then? next first

minister, i would guess. john swinney yeah. who do you think i haven't got a clue. i just do not know what lies behind nicholas sturgeon. i think one of the drawbacks of having such a leader is that you tend a strong leader is that you tend not you tend to smother the possibility in growing a number to an actual number two. but of course, you know, she was number two alex salmond a long two to alex salmond for a long time and there was a great charismatic you great. charismatic, you know, great. and rose and she and she absolutely rose and she rose i mean, what rose to it. i mean, that's what in a what i mean about her in a way, what i mean about her legacy politician on the legacy as a politician on the world . you know, she but world stage. you know, she but i would say, by the way, would also say, by the way, without wishing to digress, bofis without wishing to digress, boris johnson is arguably one of the politicians of the greatest politicians of all time. i think was also time. but i think he was also one the worst prime ministers one of the worst prime ministers of they're not of all time. and they're not governing . oh, i know, i know . governing. oh, i know, i know. sorry about the housewife's favourite. and you've got to be careful because you might lose that title. but reason that title. but the reason people like boris is because he can communicate across social strata, you know, across all sectors. fine. if you want an after dinner speaker. not that that's that's the category into which i would put nicholas

sturgeon. i would say nicholas sturgeon is a phenomenal debater. fantastic at debater. she's fantastic at getting her point across. but she's very, very short on governance. and, you know , as governance. and, you know, as we've seen, as you know, with scotland , if you are in scotland, if you are in scotland, if you are in scotland, by the way , because scotland, by the way, because lots getting in touch lots of you getting in touch saying goodness she's saying thank goodness that she's gone. saying thank goodness that she's gone . two questions for you. is gone. two questions for you. is that anyone in scotland that sat today that thinks that this is a very sad day for a country and irrespective where you stand on the issue, who do you want to see as your next fund? can i add another question ? if are another question? if there are snp votes , my job? no. it's no snp votes, my job? no. it's no wonder if there are snp voters, would they still carry on voting? snp nominee nicholas sturgeon stepped down, but they did not. then who? yeah, exactly. the snp. then who would get vote next time around? get your vote next time around? give thoughts. quick give me your thoughts. a quick reminder, views at gbnews.uk reminder, gb views at gbnews.uk is email address. right, is the email address. right, quick break. when i come back, we'll have some of your thoughts on that topic. but get this right in wales , they've right over in wales, they've scrapped much major scrapped pretty much every major new project country

new road project in the country . why? i'll give you one guess and i bet you can figure out stop cities to where it starts and second words starts in z. yes, you get it. i think . well, yes, you get it. i think. well, beating a brave, i think personally , it's absolutely personally, it's absolutely ridiculous. where do you stand? give me your thoughts. i'll see you into .

hello there. welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. ben habib keeps me company. also former brexit party mep and the ceo of fast property group and joe phillips, a political commentator and former adviser to the lib dems. ispent former adviser to the lib dems. i spent a lot of time saying how locked ben habib is on this show and also the joe phillips. you're fabulous as well. thank you, darling. thank you. isn't she? she is, yes. thank and what

i also like as well is the respectful debate between you two. you are one of my favourite pairings because we are grown ups and respect , don't we pairings because we are grown ups and respect, don't we think we are all just kind of like down in the middle? what can i say? it's a bit peculiar that we both wear at the same time. oh yeah, i also think is a bit peculiar that you and i of all must come dressed as a carbon copy of feature. they can't see joe's lower half, so take it from me. we're very colour coordinated. tonight's but yes , coordinated. tonight's but yes, we look like ladybirds in case you're listening and you can't see what's going glamorous see what's going on. glamorous ladybirds, add . right. ladybirds, i would add. right. let's talk about wales, shall we? is scraps basically every not every one, but pretty much most major road building projects in the country . did you projects in the country. did you guess why i asked you before the break? i said two words one end. second one said, of course this is all about net zero, protecting the environment and all that kind of stuff . now, any all that kind of stuff. now, any projects that meet strict criteria will be passive. for

example , not increasing carbon example, not increasing carbon emissions. all the overall number of cars on the road, as i was saying, just some people are saying this is world leading . saying this is world leading. it's really stunning. a brave i think it's absolutely ludicrous . i think this whole net zero thing is going too far. i think pack in traumatic to it. how pack it in traumatic to it. how people get around their own towns and go away and focus on something else. thank you very much. it's a really much. well i think it's a really good and i think the good thing. and i think the first thing i would say is i think most people, if you went out and asked people on the streets doncaster streets of doncaster or london or liverpool wherever and or liverpool or wherever and said , what does net zero mean? i said, what does net zero mean? i think most people wouldn't have a clue . and i think that's part a clue. and i think that's part of the problem that we've feeling it out. it's a it's a little slogan that politicians use in councils. and i think this is really good. what the welsh government is saying is that they imposing much that they are imposing much higher environmental standards before new roads will be given the go ahead and the scrapping 15. i think of the ones in no.

52 going to have gone ahead . the 52 going to have gone ahead. the rest are being scrapped or they're going to one. yeah. so i think, you know, if you look at the building that's going on, i can only speak for the south southeast of england, but where you've got a huge great developments of housing that invariably leads more roads. invariably leads to more roads. now, most of those houses that are being built will have at least one, probably two, possibly three cars. that means the roads are getting clogged up . so then you have daft councils like the one that i am, miss have the misfortune to live on. they say, well, we'll build a bypass for the extra cars. now, you know , you will end up just you know, you will end up just clogging up what you need to do is to look at a joined up policy that looks at transport and building and development . you building and development. you also need, as critics have said, if you're not going to build roads, you need to look at pubuc roads, you need to look at public transport and you need to provide options for people. but we can't go on just ploughing through the countryside in the environment. willy nilly without

looking at the impact. looks what's happened with hs2 , you what's happened with hs2, you know, that isn't even going to deliver what it was promised in terms of speed or railway stations or journeys or destination. it's going to stop short of where it was all the damage that has been done that is irreparable has been done for no good reason. if it's been done for your reason of pushing people on public sections, but nobody wanted hs2 to go that way. what people wanted was east west links . what do you mean ? west links. what do you mean? well, i mean, just cutting back on your planning policy point is right across the united kingdom actually have restrict did the number of car parking spaces you can housing and they can have with housing and they and they're increasingly pushing people public transport. people towards public transport. but is completely but what i think is completely crazy this policy and so crazy about this policy and so many ideologically driven policies that emanate from government is that they are putting their ideology ahead of the economy . so they're saying, the economy. so they're saying, i don't know if either of you have driven in wales. i have

dnven have driven in wales. i have driven quite a lot in wales. the roads are appalling. the connective ity across wales is appalling . if you want an appalling. if you want an economy to progress, you have to have interconnectivity. it's an absolute fundamental given and this is not a transport policy. this is an anti transport policy because it doesn't come alongside . it doesn't come alongside. it doesn't come alongside. it doesn't come alongside the development of pubuc alongside the development of public transport. public transport also in wales is shocking. so what they're doing is actually damaging the prospects of levelling up. they're going to make it more expensive for people to live in wales, not more cost effective , wales, not more cost effective, more difficult to get around and all of that when we've already got the economy on its back foot with the cost of living crisis actually one way to get something moving . i'm not a something moving. i'm not a great fan of it, but one way to get an economy moving is to build roads, is to build national infrastructure, is to is to, you know, get better pubuc is to, you know, get better public services and so on. i'm not a great fan of it because i

think we've done far too much government interference. and we're talk about that we're going to talk about that in a second. idea of in a second. but the idea of banning development of banning the development of roads as ideology for net as part of an ideology for net zero thinking of the zero without thinking of the consequences is consequences economically is just as brushes. ben surely just daft as brushes. ben surely you weigh up the you have to weigh up the consequences. environmental early and that i mean we are looking at the moment this may well have discussed it on on the programme you know the pollution thatis programme you know the pollution that is going into our rivers and into our seas. but that's not the same as building roads where roads enable the environment and you can you know, it's very to easy go net zero. no, mean, the zero. no, no. i mean, the pollution, i'm completely on the pollution, i'm completely on the pollution the water pollution discussed the water companies were privatise these shareholders have put dividends ahead of national infrastructure and they are billions of gallons of water leaked and wasted . you of water leaked and wasted. you can't say all these drugs that we have which, by the way, people blame on climate change actually is very significantly as a result , actually is very significantly as a result, water company is not doing anything right thing. it's also the result of people building on floodplains and it's

also the result of that. also the result all of that. joe, your with respect your fighting the battles that we've won. well we don't build in floodplains anymore but we do round round . can they i mean round round. can they i mean there even building huge resurrection you know where there's but they're not because they did well i'm a property of i can tell you it's very hard to build anything talk to build anything i will talk to you and give you the name you after and give you the name of one where they have just said, oh, actually it would be fine. can do a carbon fine. you can do a carbon offsetting. they will allow well, i mean well, carbon. i'll go in. i mean carbon going the carbon offsets going into the water, offset one of the water, carbon offset one of the worst the concept is of course ever the notion that you can pay your way out either you cut back on your carbon emissions or you don't. so why would you even have that in there as a policy that allows developers go and that allows developers to go and build in places where it's unsuitable or it is polluting ? unsuitable or it is polluting? it is going to cause huge problems in the long term. and the answer is, oh, well, will i tell you what? we'll give you some money for the raffle, but you you mention the long term. the fact of the matter is, and

this is why lots of this doesn't wash me frankly, i do wash with me quite frankly, i do think lot of is more think a lot of this is more about control and trying to dictate people can dictate to people how they can travel, i don't appreciate travel, which i don't appreciate it. think it's more about it. i think it's more about control is about climate control than it is about climate because road projects, etc. are that kind of infrastructure is long term infrastructure for the betterment of mankind. yeah yes. but in the long term, my point is, if that were all to believe , whatever we're all going to be driving electric cars, which they are. what is the pollution quote science that but there's an absolutely perfect example of something that hasn't been thought through electric cars are still really expensive to buy. there are insufficient charging points all around. but that's because we're at the start of the technology. yes, but if you're going to do something encourage it, something to encourage it, i mean, agree to a certain mean, to agree to a certain extent with. yeah, i agree extent with. yeah, yeah, i agree with know, if with you. you know, actually, if you're to try and change you're going to try and change people's behaviour, which, you know, might think nobody's know, you might think nobody's got that. but if got the right to do that. but if you people off the you want to get people off the roads, you absolutely got roads, you absolutely have got to provide public

to build or provide public transport that's affordable , transport that's affordable, accessible and realistic . so of accessible and realistic. so of course you don't do this. but i don't think there is anything wrong in saying we are going to bnngin wrong in saying we are going to bring in higher standards before this is a blanket policy against the building of roads. so it's not in a part of the united kingdom, which is notoriously bad for roads, and it's not a blanket policy. what they're saying is they are going to demand on a much greater , much demand on a much greater, much higher standards that should not cause more pollution . i mean, if cause more pollution. i mean, if you're building more roads , that you're building more roads, that presumably is because i mean, by definition, just the carbon embedded carbon in the creation of roads is so if you don't if you take you know, does it take cars and vehicles out of small villages? would they then become car free? would you then have , car free? would you then have, you know, public transport hubs , for instance? you know, there's got to be a quid pro quo. but i think to actually have a serious debate and say we need to be a bit more stringent and make our commitment to the

environment mean something, then i think it's a good thing. well, of course, that is if you're in the camp that really do the camp that you really do truly that all of this truly believe that all of this is about climate. you might is about the climate. you might be by the way, with be familiar, by the way, with the story of wandsworth council in they've in london there. they've just been because they been in trouble because they started issuing their own fines basically to drivers at these 20 mile an hour zones. they started issuing all these fines as they've just been deemed as unlawful . now, the dvla has been unlawful. now, the dvla has been told not to share the driver information with this council, to proceed with these fines, because it wasn't that jurisdiction to be able to do this . correct. so unfortunately this. correct. so unfortunately , lots of this just does not wash with me. does it with you , wash with me. does it with you, silly , says christine. too much silly, says christine. too much virtue signalling, stopping, road building is just not in the interest of the general public politicians. as usual, she says, been out of touch with the electorate. words and wales totally agreed with the panel. sorry, i totally agreed with the

council. fantastic idea. best thing ever. anyway he says the best thing to come out of wales is the 55 no new roads means increased congestion and which means more pollution , which is means more pollution, which is exactly what the government is apparently trying to avoid, says apparently trying to avoid, says a smart man called pizza. i was watching at the moment. right. i'm going to take a quick break. when i come back, get this , this when i come back, get this, this there's a study being done and apparently 38% of people agree with the following statement that the world is controlled by a secretive elite . what's going a secretive elite. what's going on? are you one of them? why give me all thoughts and i'll see you .

to hello, the michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, ben habib is the former brexit party mep

in cfs property group. andrea phillips is the political commentator and former adviser to the lib dems. christine says michelle, why do you always say things that i agree with ? i things that i agree with? i don't know. maybe you're a smart as well. christine i think all of us around the block these days, they anyway, there's a new polling out that shows that 38% of the british population agree with the statement that the world is controlled by a secretive elite. this is research by the head and it shows, get this, the people living in the poorest or most diverse areas of the country are most likely to agree with that statement . and are you one of statement. and are you one of them? joe phillips? do you agree with that statement? no don't. and when i first saw this, i thought, oh, this is just bonkers. this is concerning theories. and, you know , ufos theories. and, you know, ufos and everything else. but i think there is a much more serious issue underlying that and underlying this. and i think it's about the disconnect . it's about the disconnect. people and their ordinary lives

and the author. it is, if you like, that run their lives and also the events that are beyond our control . so also the events that are beyond our control. so i think, you know, there is a real message here for politicians and that this survey is very interesting because it is not party political . it is across the political. it is across the board . but i political. it is across the board. but i think if you political. it is across the board . but i think if you feel board. but i think if you feel as though you've got no control oven as though you've got no control over, how you run your life and i'm not talking about whether you can drive a car in wales, but, you know, on the sort of the day to day things that you see, you know, you feel slightly overwhelmed by war in ukraine, by the pandemic by inflation, by stuff going on that you can't do anything about . stuff going on that you can't do anything about. i think it's not surprising that people and, you know, social media is extremely dangerous and very toxic in many, many ways. and there's a very , very good and interesting very, very good and interesting in—depth investigation in one of the newspapers today about using

ai and bots to feed false information and feed conspiracy theories . so all of that, theories. so all of that, i think, comes together into this revolting stew of making people feel scared and frightened . and feel scared and frightened. and i think therefore , who do they i think therefore, who do they blame? somebody over there, somebody that they can't put a name to? they can't put a face to and they're secret because they can't see them. and i think that should be a great concern to all politicians , everybody, to all politicians, everybody, whether the parish councillors, mps or , presidents. i've got mps or, presidents. i've got some strong thoughts , response some strong thoughts, response to you. but before i go off on one of the little rants, ben , to one of the little rants, ben, to be your thoughts. so i mean, i think it's a very serious issue and i think it's there's no fire. there's no smoke without fire. there's no smoke without fire. and i would the way i see this, i mean, there are multiple levels at which you can you can sort of opine on this on this problem. but fundamentally , what problem. but fundamentally, what we've had in western developed economies is 40 years of prosperity. and as we've had

this economic prosperity , this economic prosperity, governments have actually moved from the principle of the individual having response ability for themselves to the governance being bigger, spending more money, controlling more aspects of our lives, making sure that the aversion to, for example, is massive nowadays in developed economies , because we've been spoilt with all this economic wealth that we've built up over 40 a period and with that, with this with the ever large governments and you've got it in the states, you've got it in the states, you've got it in the states, you've got it in canada, australia and new zealand, right across europe, in the united kingdom. with kingdom. with that comes with large estates, comes the redux . large estates, comes the redux. and in controlled in individuals have over their lives and you do begin to see rightly, i think that the state is running things in a way with which you're not comfortable . and again, without comfortable. and again, without wishing to go back on it in great detail, you know, lockdowns, arguably one of the

most interfering social list globally imposed most government policies that anyone could ever point to. never in history has large swathes of the globe simply shut down in relation actually to a virus which ultimately proved not to be that dangerous . ultimately proved not to be that dangerous. so i have great sympathy with people who think there is a conspiracy going on in some respects . of course, in some respects. of course, they're right . even at a sort of they're right. even at a sort of smaller, more micro level in that , you know, let's just take that, you know, let's just take vaccines , for example, you know, vaccines, for example, you know, this big debate over vaccine, as anyone who's not questioning vaccines needs their head examined . normally it takes 10 examined. normally it takes 10 to 15 years to get a drug from cancer to market. these vaccines where within a year and it's big money and pharma make a lot of money and pharma make a lot of money and pharma make a lot of money and when something is rapidly as that is brought to market and big money is involved

and we've not beginning to see even with ppe for example, money was being, you know, gone astray and so on. there are vested interests and there will be controls imposed and people can be thinking that be forgiven for thinking that there's some kind of conspiracy going on. you have to do you going on. and you have to do you know, do need to respond to that and frames were and say time frames were shortened because a lot of money was and a lot of kind was invested and a lot of kind of short. but you have to ask the question, well, talking about control has been in touch . you made me smile. bryan you said about secretive elite try and control as bryan says. well, i am one of the satellites. i have complete control of my living room, except the remote control when my wife is in. now, i found this conversation very interesting because i found let me show you actually something that i listen to that i also found very interesting, which is linked, which is something that keir very recently keir starmer said very recently . i've got a clip. let . i think i've got a clip. let me play it for you . that's me play it for you. that's always minster davos . why?

always minster davos. why? because westminster is too constrained. a tribal shouting place . hmm. constrained. a tribal shouting place. hmm. now constrained. a tribal shouting place . hmm. now graham constrained. a tribal shouting place. hmm. now graham has constrained. a tribal shouting place . hmm. now graham has been place. hmm. now graham has been in touch . he says it's not all in touch. he says it's not all that secretive , michel. this that secretive, michel. this so—called elite, they meet at davos and yes, they do. and i found that clip that i've keir starmer quite telling, because it was a quick final question. a quick, quick, quick, interesting tiff answer, if you will. he's instinctive or instinctive answer davos or westminster. chose davos and westminster. he chose davos and then kind of like laughed about it all the rest it awkwardly and all the rest of it awkwardly and all the rest of it . i actually think that what it. i actually think that what is going on globally has been pretty outrageous over these last few years . and we have last few years. and we have tiptoed into a situation where way too many people have got a little bit power hungry. they must be rubbing their hands together with glee because quite frankly, i bet they can't believe that they got away with all the stuff that got all the stuff that they have got away with. we are in a away with. and we are in a situation now you will situation now where you will have time of the great have had the time of the great reset and people will talk about

klaus schwab, the world economic forum rest of it. forum and all the rest of it. and actually don't think and i actually don't think that what's is that what's going on is that secretive. i think a lot of it is actually playing out in front of lives. and of people's lives. and i and when we about the great when we talk about the great reset, will also hear reset, you will also hear the phrase about a new normal. we will not be going back to our old living, will be going old way of living, will be going to normal. and we talk to this new normal. and we talk about feeling frightened about people feeling frightened and control of their and out of control of their lives. i personally do not lives. and i personally do not think that it is accidental . i think that it is accidental. i think that it is accidental. i think that it is accidental. i think that has been orchestrated , created and is very , very , created and is very, very deliberate. well i think there are many threads within that. and i think, you only have to look at and ben alluded to it, you know, the ppe contract, whether they were done in a hurry, whether they were done, you know, without diligence, what we know is for sure that many people have made an enormous amount of money out of it of those people it. and most of those people were friends of in were friends of people in government. we see at the government. what we see at the moment is chairman of the moment is the chairman of the bbc, by a prime bbc, appointed by a prime minister for whom he arranged an

introduction in order to secure. none of this passes a smell test. none of it passes the smell test. and i think when people see that and they seem themselves treated as well, it doesn't matter to you your only little, oh , you've got to go on little, oh, you've got to go on line whether you know you're going to the bank or trying to get a doctor's appointment. we don't care whether you've got broadband, you've got to do it this or the. but this way, my way or the. but there is there is a global aspect. absolutely keir starmer david like that david cameron people like that do not get their self validation from electorate in this country. the are an inconvenience to getting into office once they're in office they're much more comfortable all rubbing shoulders with their international peer group in davos. one thing i would like to say, that focal dater who are part of the other company that did the survey, also published a much more interesting survey about how people are turning away from national politics and turning back to local politics. you might think the may elections, i've got to say, i, i

found this. i can read it yourself on on the head . but as yourself on on the head. but as the website's a huge subject, it's very, very, very interesting . think we've got to interesting. think we've got to be very careful about how much control think that they control people think that they suddenly to over our suddenly entitled to over our lives. you talk about banks , by lives. you talk about banks, by the way. it is not phil's . it's the way. it is not phil's. it's not going beyond me notes. it's about this whole kind of central bank, digital currencies that people are very keen to be pushing these days, trying spend cash anywhere these days as well . and you'll have quite a challenge your and you'll all challenge on your and you'll all remember case during the remember the case during the lockdown, way, where some lockdown, by the way, where some people had their bank accounts frozen. not country, frozen. not in this country, i hasten to add, because in canada it the that had it was the people that had donated support the truckers donated to support the truckers in i mean, how dare you? in canada. i mean, how dare you? a sinister how de you and this is the problem . this is what i'm is the problem. this is what i'm saying to you. you see these 15 minute cities where you're allowed to your area a allowed to leave your area a hundred times and zero. if just briefly , you know, net zero, you briefly, you know, net zero, you need an external enemy to control people. you make the

climate your enemy. you've got a global enemy that you need to fear. well i'm telling you, i've got exert some in this got to exert some in this conversation because i have to go to a break. i want to go to a break when i come back, i want to talk to you about the fact that so many asylum seekers are disproportionately placed the disproportionately placed in the red tell me. i'll red wall. why? you tell me. i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me, michelle dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. ben habib , the former brexit ben habib, the former brexit party mep and the ceo of first property group, andrew phillips, the political commentator , the political commentator, former adviser to the lib dems here keeping me company in the studio. i could carry , i could studio. i could carry, i could have carried on that previous debate for a whole other hour, but i might save that on. i've just been told my dance. i'm not going to. don't worry god, they

don't trust . they talk don't trust. they talk about control. what i have to control. look what i have to live with everyone, right , let's live with everyone, right, let's move on then, shall we? the telegraph basically has done something that something analysis saying that the and out of housing the bed and out of housing refugees and asylum seekers is falling more on red wall areas. get this, everyone about seven times as many so—called asylum seekers per person living in red wall areas . then the south east. wall areas. then the south east. what do you make to mr. phillips? well i think it's obviously it's an imbalance. i mean , interesting is that many mean, interesting is that many of these are labour controlled councils . so it's a so—called councils. so it's a so—called red wall labour controlled councils, which have been perhaps more welcoming to asylum seekers . the problem is, and seekers. the problem is, and i think we've discussed this millions of times before , it's millions of times before, it's about the backlog of people waiting for their asylum applications to be processed . so applications to be processed. so whereas people previously would go from, you know , a hostel or go from, you know, a hostel or something like that into homes

because there is such a huge backlog of people there, still 140,000 asylum applications . 140,000 asylum applications. there's a shortage of council accommodation . so they are now accommodation. so they are now going into hotels . and for a going into hotels. and for a student accommodation things and thatis student accommodation things and that is causing tensions as we saw in knowsley over the weekend. so you've got people being housed in local hotels and that's creating tension . what we that's creating tension. what we need to do is to deal with the backlog so that people who have got a genuine for case can work pay got a genuine for case can work pay time. you can't just magic out of thin air or this whole kind of cleansing of people . kind of cleansing of people. when you've got this volume of people crossing 5 degrees day, you've had this volume, you've had priti patel , you've you've had this volume, you've had priti patel, you've had suella braverman, you've had probably another home secretary in between, but they've all seen control of the illegal crossings of the channels. but the prism of the channels. but the prism of deportation and they haven't and they haven't actually stopped them coming into the country and they haven't dealt with the people that are here.

yeah, by the way. a lot yeah, 140,000, by the way. a lot of have arrived in of those may have arrived in this country legally. may and then and then not left. you know, it's the ones that i think crossing the channel that i think pose the biggest threat to the united kingdom. and i and i and i use the word threat advisedly are advisedly because these are people do not know. we people we do not know. we haven't checked that papers. we don't know where they come from. we don't know what their values are. don't know whether are. we don't know whether that criminals, terrorists or whatever. great whatever. farage did a great expose a of weeks ago on expose a couple of weeks ago on his programme he evidence his programme where he evidence the link . badri 313, which is the link. badri 313, which is the link. badri 313, which is the afghani self—professed elite fighting force and the promotion of people smuggling from france to the united kingdom. well by badn to the united kingdom. well by badri 313 and a group of young men in london making signs of badn men in london making signs of badri three one, we all know the criminality and criminal gangs and so but that doesn't solve this problem. my view. my view is anyone entering this country illegally has to be treated a

potential criminal. no and absolutely. you've entered syria or you've entered the country illegally. if you've entered country legally and you apply for asylum, that's different . if for asylum, that's different. if you've applied for asylum in iraq or afghanistan and you've been given leave to come to the uk, that's different . but if uk, that's different. but if you've entered the country illegally, we know who you illegally, we don't know who you are. don't know what your are. we don't know what your values don't know what values are, we don't know what sort background, know, sort of background, you know, etc. have treated etc. you have to be treated extremely . we find the home extremely. we find the home secretary being challenged on this very point at the select committee, the home select committee a few weeks ago by tim loughton, conservative mp , who loughton, conservative mp, who said how would and his example was a 16 year old boy of on space.it was a 16 year old boy of on space. it was a silly, silly question because she and she's the home secretary. no, but but well let's just give benefit . well let's just give benefit. the audience might know about it. yeah he said. the audience might know about it. yeah he said . so i'm a 16 it. yeah he said. so i'm a 16 year old boy. east suffolk and whatever . but you know, year old boy. east suffolk and whatever. but you know, i've year old boy. east suffolk and whatever . but you know, i've got whatever. but you know, i've got family here. how do i possibly ?

family here. how do i possibly? and she ended up saying the, only way you could do this is to come in legally and then apply to the united kingdom. but we've got thousands, millions of people displaced because of the earthquakes turkey syria. earthquakes in turkey and syria. they haven't got any papers. they've got nothing. but you they've got nothing. but are you saying those people united saying that those people united to might have anyone on here, black and white on the subject? anyone entering the country illegally has be treated with great suspicion and very care. wait a minute , because i'm not wait a minute, because i'm not offering this. i'll tell you. i'll tell you what's offensive. actually, you now conflating these very poor , heartbreaking these very poor, heartbreaking scenes in turkey , in syria now scenes in turkey, in syria now with the predominant albanian people that are coming over from france in these dinghies , you france in these dinghies, you know, any wall, anyone coming down from anyone already say would look at those scenes in turkey and syria and want to do everything where hospitable nafion everything where hospitable nation we would want to help genuine people in need chances that are just coming to take the mickey out the system. don't conflate the two, joe. come on.

no, but ben saying anyone who any one, anyone who got channel in some who will show they're in france desperate. they're in france desperate. they're in france . they're already in france. they're already in france. they're already in france. well, they they must be they must be treated . but they they must be treated. but they broke the law to get here . we're broke the law to get here. we're talking about the people who are here now very , very quickly. so here now very, very quickly. so i've only got a couple of seconds. do you think france is a dangerous place to be, a i don't think so, no. so how so? okay. well, that's good. i shall leave it there then. i think you've answered my question then. if you're in safe country, thatis then. if you're in safe country, that is france writes, let's a look. jennifer says, we in the northwest are bombarded with refugees . and worry is it's refugees. and the worry is it's mostly men who further mostly young men who further away their passport. yes, they do . i hear you away their passport. yes, they do. i hear you on away their passport. yes, they do . i hear you on that one. you do. i hear you on that one. you know, while i don't think that this government is all that serious at all about fixing this issue, do you? i'll leave you to ponder it overnight. that is all ihave ponder it overnight. that is all i have got time for. thank you. thank you. thank you. don't forget march 15th and doncaster,

come and join us. get your tickets. up next is nigel farage. there. i'm greg farage. hello there. i'm greg quest and welcome to your latest broadcast from the met office . broadcast from the met office. there'll rain in the forecast there'll be rain in the forecast over days. turning over the next few days. turning windy on friday, but stay my mild for the time of year. throughout looking at the pressure pattern low pressure's moving from atlantic . moving in from the atlantic. even the cloud and rain this low pressure particular will give pressure in particular will give some winds some very strong winds across scotland and northern england as we head through friday. a met office warning force office warning already in force through the of wednesday. through the rest of wednesday. we've clouds and moving we've got clouds and rain moving in atlantic and this in from the atlantic and this turning murky and misty turning quite murky and misty overnight into early hours overnight into the early hours of thursday morning. clear skies across scotland here, a touch of frost as possible, three or four degrees in the towns and cities close to freezing in the countryside. but elsewhere, with the temperatures the cloud and rain, temperatures staying freezing . but staying well above freezing. but that means a cloudy start across of the uk to start thursday morning. outbreaks of rain and drizzle . tricky driving drizzle. tricky driving conditions over the higher with hill better the sunshine hill fog. better the sunshine though across northern scotland

it sunny here for much of it stays sunny here for much of the day. across orkney the day. showers across orkney and elsewhere slowly and shetland elsewhere slowly brightens up. and if we get any sunshine we could see highs of 13 or 14 degrees well above the average, around eighteen at this time of year into the evening time. further wet weather moves in from atlantic spreading in from the atlantic spreading into ireland and into northern ireland and scotland and then the winds start picking up during the early combined with some early hours combined with some heavy lead to some heavy rain could lead to some tncky heavy rain could lead to some tricky conditions for tricky travelling conditions for those up early friday those up early into friday morning . a metservice warning morning. a metservice warning coming in for us from 5:00. as a result, a lot of cloud around the picking here , eight the winds picking up here, eight or as a minimum temperature or nine as a minimum temperature . complete difference what . complete difference to what we've over last few we've seen over the last few nights . so metservice warning nights. so metservice warning for gusts of 60 to 70, possibly 75 miles an hour across the of parts of scotland, north—east england, leading to some tricky commutes. first thing here elsewhere , cloudy across elsewhere, cloudy across england, wales into northern, some patchy rain and gusty winds here, too. temperatures on the mild 14 or 15 celsius. but the good news is it looks like as we

head into the weekend , it should head into the weekend, it should start to ease. see you again .

soon see , the sun soon see ,the sun has soon see , the sun has been shining . see, the sun has been shining. it's been a great day for keir starmer. nicholas sturgeon resigns as first minister for scotland. what does that mean for scottish separation ? and for scottish separation? and we'll debate that. we'll look at chinese surveillance embedded deeply within our police force. how worried should we be? inflation the forthcoming budget and a month's time. inflation the forthcoming budget and a month's time . we'll do and a month's time. we'll do that in detail and show you. london housing expert joins me on talking points with what he says policy that could says is a policy that could either party the next general election on housing. we're all ears but before that let's get the news with polly middleton first