well hello there. it's 6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs& co. lots to get into tonight . dewbs& co. lots to get into tonight. social care. it's an absolute mess, isn't it.7 we go round in circles , holes every round in circles, holes every yeah round in circles, holes every year. different report, different recommendations . and different recommendations. and let's face it, pretty much nothing happen . and now we've nothing happen. and now we've got another report out from age uk telling us what we pretty much already know. basically, it's in a mess. do we have to just accept now that you know what.7 what can we do.7 nothing. what? what can we do? nothing. it seems . or do you actually it seems. or do you actually believe that there are true solutions to fix the social care

problems in this country? if so , what are they? and china? how much of a threat do you think they are to the uk and what should we do about it if anything? liz truss by the way, overin anything? liz truss by the way, over in japan at the moment giving her thoughts . fine, you giving her thoughts. fine, you tell me and the licence fee. do you tell me and the licence fee. do you pay tell me and the licence fee. do you pay it? do you think we should all have to pay it if we want to watch live television ? want to watch live television? i'll say it's day now. give me your thoughts on that and what job do you do? is it your dream job? was it the thing that you always imagined that you would be doing? or do you sit there and what an f of fight on and go, what an f of fight on with life ? i just do what with my life? i just do what i do for money. we'll have all of that and more coming up tonight. but before we get it, let's but before we get into it, let's bnng but before we get into it, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's headlines with tonight's latest headlines with tatiana . michelle, thank tatiana sanchez. michelle, thank you very much . this is the you very much. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the

prime minister says we haven't got a deal yet in resolving post—brexit trading arrangements in the northern ireland protocol call. he held talks with stormont leaders this morning and in attempt to resolve the matter and will meet eu leaders in germany tomorrow amid speculation a deal could be unveiled early next week. the dup has said progress has been made but mr. sunak says there is more work to do. well the test that i've set myself is that we protect northern ireland's place in our internal market, that we protect the belfast good friday agreement, that we resolve the practical issues, that the protocol is causing families and businesses in northern ireland, and crucially, that we address the democratic deficit. those are the issues that we need to work through, that's my work through, and that's what my ministerial and ministerial colleagues and i will talking to the eu about will be talking to the eu about . lancashire police has confirmed it's going to conduct an internal review into the nicola bulley investigation . nicola bulley investigation. it's after the home secretary

suella braverman questioned why the force has disclosed details of the missing mum's private life during a news conference. lancashire police said she suffered from significant issues with alcohol in the past and struggled with menopause then referred itself to the police regularly to chat. shadow justice secretary steve reid says that was the right thing to do.the says that was the right thing to do. the police should not be sharing an extremely private personal information about an individual without the consent of that individual . if they are of that individual. if they are available to give it and if they're not, then without the consent of their close family members . if they do that, they members. if they do that, they run the risk that other victims won't feel confident coming forward in future . so i think forward in future. so i think it's right. this case is now being reviewed. we will see where this particular case comes out, what principles are of out, what the principles are of the confidentiality of victims must always be respect it by the police . the snp has postponed

police. the snp has postponed a conference on independence following the resignation of first minister nicola sturgeon . first minister nicola sturgeon. it comes as the party's exact sieve committee set a ballot to select a new party leader will close on the 27th of march. deputy first minister john swinney has already announced he won't be entering the race . the won't be entering the race. the scottish government has offered health care staff an average 6.5% pay rise. workers would also receive a one off payment of between 400 an d £900. matt of between 400 and £900. matt mclaughlan, unison, scotland's head of health, has called it a credible pay offer that needs serious consideration . the royal serious consideration. the royal college of nursing has announced a new 48 hour strike in england. members from 128 nhs trusts will walk out on the 1st of march and an escalator in the rcn says will reduce services to an absolute minimum . nurses in absolute minimum. nurses in emergency intensive and cancer care , all previously exempted,

care, all previously exempted, will join the picket lines for the first time. that the union says life and limb care will continue . around 1500 ambulance continue. around 1500 ambulance workers in wales will now join almost 10,000 gmb members across england. in a strike on monday. it's after the gmb union announced its staff in wales had rejected an offer from the welsh government . meanwhile, ambulance government. meanwhile, ambulance workers in the west midlands have taken to the picket lines today with patients facing yet more delays as a result. members of the gmb and unite unions are staging a walkout in a long running dispute over pay and staffing . the department for staffing. the department for transport has announced a cap on bus fares in england will be extended by three months. th e £2 extended by three months. the £2 cap, which applies to more than 130 bus companies outside of london, was due to end in march, but that's now been extended until the end of june. the aim is to increase passenger numbers, but also to help bus users during the cost of living

crisis . officials in users during the cost of living crisis. officials in bulgaria say at least 18 people include one child being found dead in an abandoned trunk . 34 migrants abandoned trunk. 34 migrants include five children were taken to hospitals in the capital, sofia, after being found in a compartment of the truck, which had been carrying wood at least ten are still in a critical condition due to a lack of oxygen in the vehicle. the bulgaria interior ministry says police are trying to track down the truck drivers who fled the scene . five police officers have scene. five police officers have pleaded not guilty to second degree murder of tyree nichols in memphis last month. body cam footage at the time showed the 29 year old being beaten by several police officers. his death caused widespread outrage and renewed a national conversation about race and police brutality . thousands of police brutality. thousands of homes have been left without

power, with dozens of schools closed as storm otto hits scotland and north east england. the met office says winds as high as 80 miles per hour have been recorded , causing trains been recorded, causing trains and flights to be cancelled. northern powergrid says around 19,000 homes have been left without power. most more than 11,000 have since had their suppues 11,000 have since had their supplies restored . tv online and supplies restored. tv online and dab radio. this is the gb news. now it's back to dewbs& co . now it's back to dewbs& co. thanks for that. tatiana whelan michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me. i've got the writer firefighter. i'm trade unionist paul embery and a man that has just bashed, i tell you, dashed up the stairs through the door and onto that

seat quicker than a quick thing from quick land. the political consultant, alex dean. good evening to you. thank you. that is good dedication and good athletic skills that i feel that you displayed. and i want to make this very lengthy and myself. yes. so i go to another drink. i am out and i wish the trains as every anyone who is travelling today will know the trains are screwed. yeah it is here what a trooper here though. what a trooper managed to battle his way in because paul i were just because paul and i were just sitting there thinking, what we're to we have we're going to do 2010, we have a dance me. were going a dance with me. we were going to we were going to dance. we were going to tell joe still leave. well, joe i could still leave. well, well, happening . so, shall joe i could still leave. well, we|get happening . so, shall joe i could still leave. well, we|get on?1appening . so, shall joe i could still leave. well, we|get on? if)pening . so, shall joe i could still leave. well, we|get on? if he'sng . so, shall joe i could still leave. well, we|get on? if he's not so, shall joe i could still leave. well, we|get on? if he's not good,1all joe i could still leave. well, we|get on? if he's not good, we we get on? if he's not good, we might get rid of him. off with you and me and paul. just tell jokes again anyway. you know the drill, you? it's not just drill, don't you? it's not just about us three the about us three here in the studio. much about you studio. it's very much about you at your mind at home. what's on your mind tonight? i want to talk to you about liz truss. she's in japan. does anyone know why i'm i does anyone know why i'm sure i must be something very must be missing something very obvious as to is truss obvious as to why is liz truss that's that giving these that's over that giving these speeches. whatever

speeches. but whatever is that i've just me, i've missed, just tell me, please. she's pondering how much of a china is and what of a threat china is and what should be done it. i also should be done about it. i also want to talk to you about social care that will be coming up in just a few minutes. the licence fee as well. do you pay it? do you think we should be paying it? director—general the it? the director—general at the bbc is amazed pretty bbc has said is amazed pretty much that so people are much that so many people are cool with paying. it's and also, what's your dream job? i mean, these two are living their dreams, sitting alongside me , dreams, sitting alongside me, talking to you guys. but what about you at home? are you doing what anticipated you what you always anticipated you would all did things not would do? all did things not quite work out the way that you envisaged? i want to talk about that a little bit later on in the show as well. but let's kick off, by talking about off, shall we, by talking about social age uk social care report from age uk has found that half of patients arriving in ambulances are and they are over the age of 65 because they see essentially social care as being rationed for older people . i'll pick up for older people. i'll pick up with you, first of all, meaning

to give alex to get his brief back and to give someone a second to bring them on a glass of water as well. we go round in circles that way on social care in this country. so many reports, so many commission investigations, but yet nothing really seems to or at least it doesn't feel like it gets that much better. can you ever see a scenario where social care will be fixed in this country? and if so, what does that look like? it's hard to get away from from the truth , i think, michel, it the truth, i think, michel, it does come down to funding essentially . now, i know people essentially. now, i know people who say, well , the easy thing to who say, well, the easy thing to argue is just throwing more money at it. that doesn't always work. okay. once i voted the problems, but it certainly helps . i mean, the system is clearly completely broken . and i think completely broken. and i think we probably need something like a national care service in this country built along career , i country built along career, i think along similar lines, if the national health service and free at the point of delivery

would ring fence taxations but not necessarily hypothecated taxation but is paid for out of general taxation in some way . i general taxation in some way. i mean, i wouldn't get hung up on whether it's either got it or whether it's either got it or whether it's either got it or whether it's just sort of out of general taxation. but i think we don't. i mean, on residential and home care in this country, for think we spend for example, i think we spend something like of in something like 0.7% of gdp in places like japan , the places like japan, the netherlands, sweden and places like that. it's around about 2% now. i think if you underfund in that respect, you're asking that respect, then you're asking for problems and we actually spend less social today spend less on social care today than we did years ago. i than we did ten years ago. i think other elephant in the think the other elephant in the room in many respects is the staff in crisis we have in staff in crisis that we have in cowen's , which is a bit about, i cowen's, which is a bit about, i think , in no small measure as a think, in no small measure as a result of the pretty low wages that carers get. and of course it's like anything if you're not being paid well and you're in the middle of a cost of living crisis and you've got to put food on the table and you can find a betterjob elsewhere, then the chances are that that

you're going to take so, so you're going to take it so, so all of those things are the problem. but i think really a national obviously is national case obviously is probably the only solution at this yeah. and the this stage. yeah. and by the way, we talk about, don't we, the shortages well the staffing shortages as well in whole sector. in this whole care sector. i can't resist. sorry. i know you'll michelle. on you'll go michelle. going on about let's not about it again, but let's not forget so many people , forget we lost so many people, tens of people, as tens of thousands of people, as happensin tens of thousands of people, as happens in that sector, because we had vaccine mandates and we forced people out of those roles if they didn't those if they didn't have those vaccine as the covid vaccines, i get get off my chest. we've not managed to get you water here. i live not being socially my hands is on its way, i hope. but your thoughts on the care thing? i one of the reasons that what paul says has forced to it is that we have an a population that we have an a population thatis that we have an a population that is increasingly ageing . that is increasingly ageing. that's which is obviously a truism we're all getting older. i mean that the proportion of us who geriatric , who are who are geriatric, who are elderly, who are no longer ever working age is increasing when the national health system was created in the uk, we would work

until we were 65. and your life expectancy on average would be a few years beyond that in five or six years, three score and ten had been a truism from the bible to the beginning of the 20th century. broadly speaking, is the now we're living the lifespan. now we're living into our nineties, and if anything, retiring anything, we're retiring a little means little earlier, which means we're often got people who are still us. bless them. still with us. god bless them. i should. hope to be so should. we all hope to be so old, but they are increasingly unwell and they're in a society that owes them a debt and needs to look after them. if at the same time we're contributing the same time we're contributing the same amount or indeed less in real terms than we once did. and there a question about what there is a question about what we're doing and what we value and prioritise as a society. i think how we treat your elderly is of the basic tests in is one of the basic tests in a civilised i just one civilised society. i just one other can we pay other thing we can we pay a little over the european average in social care . we in health and social care. we pay in health and social care. we pay above the average in health and pay below the average in and we pay below the average in social care. that is a false economy and a false saving because when skimp on money because when you skimp on money on very often people on that, very often the people

concerned hospital . concerned wind up in hospital. do need sunk kind do you think we need sunk kind of cultural shift as well? because in this country there is quite the approach of right, my parents that are elderly, let me put them into a home. if you travel to various different places . i remember staying, for places. i remember staying, for example, with a family in vietnam in their home. and i mean, it was every single generation squeezed into what was like a one bedroom house. and they really took great pride in caring for their relatives. i don't think they would have dreamt of kind of outsourcing that. so do you think perhaps we could learn from those kind of countries and i don't see a return to caring for your parents in your house as opposed to elsewhere? well, my mum's probably watching this. and the last thing i would us to last thing i would want us to think that she's going think is that she's going to start coming and with me start coming and living with me as as a result of what as a result as a result of what i'd on this programme. plus i'd say on this programme. plus i'd say on this programme. plus i know i manage. i can, i do actually. i think it's and partly economics in terms of proper funding and so on which

we which we've touched on, but absolutely i think the importance of community, the importance of community, the importance of community, the importance of those relational links with close members of your family and i'm not necessarily saying that parents should always go and live with their children because obviously family circumstances will be different. but i think we probably do need to be a bit more innovative as a society in terms of how we might encourage that sort of culture. for that sort of culture. so for example, think i'm correct in example, i think i'm correct in saying that in singapore they give grants to people to continue living near their parents so that if their parents need assistance for whatever reason, that their family members are close by. and i think that's an idea that's a kind of example of innovative thinking, which probably can ensure that those relational links remain strong and that, you know, individual, elderly parents are not always reliant on the state to come to their rescue if they slip over, if they need particular assistance at a particular time. we're not very good at that as a society.

one of my fear is that just got in touch. alex elizabeth just called saying , michelle, called saying, michelle, vulnerable and elderly people should never be profit making should never be a profit making enterprise . do you think that enterprise. do you think that they should be such a thing as a care home secretary that is specifically for profits? well, we have one now. they're playing with their money and that's wrong. well it's a bit like the debate over private schools owning private health care . and owning private health care. and you'll find paul and i imagine on different sides of that when people choose to pay to send their a private their children to a private school, they only pay school, they not only pay for that education, they that child's education, they continue which continue to pay their tax, which goes our state education goes into our state education system choose to have system when they choose to have health and privately they health care and privately they choose to pay for that health care. privately and also care. privately and they also contribute the state health contribute to the state health care system equally. there is nothing with to nothing wrong with wanting to give or your parents if give yourself or your parents if that's what were talking that's what we were talking about, a better quality of life in a different kind of care home from which might from that which the state might be provide for them. and be able to provide for them. and indeed, taking a burden indeed, you are taking a burden from in so so

from the state in so doing. so i think somewhat with no offence to elizabeth, i think quite to elizabeth, i think it's quite easy down the wrong end easy to look down the wrong end of the telescope and say you shouldn't make a profit on this. whereas profit whereas in fact the profit motive is one of the best devices people out of devices to take people out of the because there the state sector because there are who provide a better are others who provide a better care a better facility care and a better facility for them to and whilst they're them to go to and whilst they're doing that, still pay their taxes into the system. are you an older person? how you an older person? how would you feel perhaps moving back feel about perhaps moving back in with children and having in with your children and having them for you on a you were them care for you on a you were perhaps younger person then. how would you about having your would you feel about having your parents and taking on parents back and taking on that kind role yourself? kind of caring role yourself? pauli kind of caring role yourself? paul i can't really talk about social care without talking about the wider impacts on the nhs. yesterday the story broke about the royal college of nursing, saying that they're going to have an extended 40 hour strike in march, this time it will have what i will call a broader scope to it. so last time areas such as critical care were perhaps exempt and cover

provided. this time it will be different. what do you think to that ? look, it's never it's that? look, it's never it's never an enjoyable thing. it's never an enjoyable thing. it's never something that any worker in that kind of industry and i say this as a firefighter who's been on strike ever take pleasure in doing and it's genuinely , i think, a last genuinely, i think, a last resort for people and i have no doubt that those people who have who are going to be taking strike action in those sectors. so it's a last resort as well. but you know, the bottom line is they they are trade they are they are trade unionists. trade unionists. there's trade unionists. there's trade unionists. to unionists. they're entitled to take democratic ballot take part in a democratic ballot to withdraw their labour if necessary . know are necessary. we know there are sectors and institutions where that isn't possible with the police in the army and so on. so whilst that right is afforded to them, we have to expect that from time to time. very infrequently and only when absolutely necessary . those absolutely necessary. those workers to take that workers are going to take that action and you know, historically they don't do it very often. we must accept that they do it very, very rarely. so

you can bet that when it does happen, they probably feel a legitimate sense of grievance. paul we you just mentioned the army and it's reminded me that a month were discussing month ago we were discussing whether should able whether the army should be able to said you to strike. and you said you couldn't you needed more couldn't answer. you needed more time think about it. you've time to think about it. you've had well, i've been had a month. well, i've been thinking it for a month, thinking about it for a month, but we've not thinking about alex's i think alex's question. i do think about a lot in bed, but not about alex a lot in bed, but not not particular not that. so not that particular not that. so you're willing to you're still not willing to say whether the military should be able strike not? no look, able to strike or not? no look, i think it is legitimate thing i think it is a legitimate thing for governments to say, if for governments to say, look, if you there in the service of you are there in the service of your country, in the your country, in terms of the defence of country, or if defence of your country, or if you're the police force, then part of deal is that part of the deal is that is a covenant almost that we make sure decent terms and sure you have decent terms and conditions. you, conditions. we look after you, but those but you know, in those circumstances we're not going to allow to take strike allow you to just to take strike action. i'm not we agree. i'm action. so i'm not we agree. i'm not going to be going out with my i defend right of my cards. i defend the right of the to strike. but what the army to strike. but what what i must what do you make? i must confess, and this isn't news to anyone that was watching yesterday. i it then. i am

yesterday. i said it then. i am uncomfortable notion uncomfortable about the notion of nurses within critical care going on strike. i personally believe that they should be the exemptions that existed in the last rcn strike, which meant that if you were in critical care or if you're in a&e, icu or whatever, you will be exempt from striking or the nurses can go off, they can strike, they can take up the calls. but you're protecting those kind of life essential services. where do you stand ? a lot. it's i've do you stand? a lot. it's i've been watching the nursing union with interest as they speak about this, because it seems to me they're unwilling to confront the reality of the outcome of the reality of the outcome of the strikes, whether people in critical care go on strike or not. let's be clear if we were if people in critical care actually go but it's bad actually go out, but it's bad per say, nurses going out will have a deleterious outcomes on patient care and it will have a deleterious outcome and margins on length of life . you can't on length of life. you can't withdraw labour from the health care system at this scale without it having an impact on

patients . so the one hand they patients. so the one hand they all say, you know, we our all say, you know, we love our jobs, we care about it, never jobs, we care about it, we never want to if you are want to strike. if you are criticising nurses, you criticising the nurses, you you're criticising the wrong thing because nurses out thing because when nurses go out and strike, they're striking for patients. there's that patients. well there's that speaking slightly with a forked tongue from union who was tongue from the union who was saying today? it saying that today? because it seems to me that they are unwilling, even their own unwilling, even on their own terms, to confront the reality of their position. their position is patients position really is patients will suffer we're making suffer today. and we're making that happen in order for that has to happen in order for patient future patient outcomes in the future to be better. so the best that's the version of that. so is the best version of that. so is your view, alex, that actually there should be legislation passed that prevents nurses from taking strike action in the same way as the police, for example? no. so, so, so should be. so i think i was i didn't say that sort of . i mean, they should be sort of. i mean, they should be honest about the they should be honest about the they should be honest about the outcomes of withdrawing, as you rightly say honest about the outcomes of vitheyawing, as you rightly say honest about the outcomes of vitheyawing, as jbutrightly say honest about the outcomes of vitheyawing, as but when' say honest about the outcomes of vitheyawing, as but when they . they do rarely. but when they do, going have profound do, it's going to have profound negative indeed , negative effects. and indeed, the last strike, even though they go out in critical

they didn't go out in critical care, meant 140,000 postponed operations. i defy anyone to pretend that's not a bad patient outcome. you do. you do outcome. but you do. you do accept by definition, you're accept by definition, if you're saying shouldn't saying that there shouldn't be legislation introduced to outlaw, accept by outlaw, you do accept by definition that as members of a trade union, like all members of trade union, like all members of trade , yes, they have the right trade, yes, they have the right to pull withdraw. they always they should right they should have the right always conceded always and industrially conceded and do that, which i've and voted to do that, which i've conceded always conceded each time. you always revert pointing out someone's revert to pointing out someone's right to say, i'm trying to elicit not, oh, elicit your whether or not, oh, no, know that you no, you're not know that you know, words in your mouth. you want elicit your you are want to elicit your your you are you are always to you are seeking always to suggest the other person suggest that the other person doesn't right to doesn't believe in the right to strike, rather than defending whether think you whether they should. i think you i think you've been talking about opinion. i'm about your own opinion. i'm trying elicit whether trying to elicit whether or not you wanted legislation brought into or whether into binding or whether you defend don't how defend it. but don't know how many can say no to many times i can say no to strike action. well, ask you the question. you answered it simple. well, we here that think there legislation there shouldn't be legislation at comes to nurses at all when it comes to nurses striking. i've a slightly different view i fine different view i think fine i

accept i would prefer that they didn't. but i accept that nurses will go on strike. but i would prefer there to be some form of legislation that meant that in the most critical areas that wasn't possible to happen. i know that nurses are in a tricky position. of course i want them to receive a pay rise and of course i absolutely respect on this is but i just think there was some critical care functions that should almost be ring fenced for the safety of anybody who needs it . i pretty much who needs it. i pretty much wrote that on twitter yesterday and i cannot even repeat a fraction of the names that i have been called last night and today for having the audacity to say that. where do you stand on it all? give me your thoughts. gb views gbnews.uk is the email address you can reach me at twitter would be nice as michelle's you. i'm going to take a quick break. when we come back , i'll have some of your back, i'll have some of your thoughts on that last topic. but i also want to talk to you about

china . liz truss was in tokyo china. liz truss was in tokyo today. i mean, if anyone even knows why , please can you tell knows why, please can you tell me anywhere? it's all about whether or not china is a real threat to the world and if so, what should done about it? what should be done about it? i'll see you .

in two. hello there . welcome back to hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co. with me, michelle dewbs& co. with me, michelle dewberry, keeping you company until 7:00 on this friday night. the writer, firefighter and trade unionist paul embry is alongside me , as is the alongside me, as is the political consultant, alex dean. lots of you guys have been getting in touch about that conversation we were just having about social care and the nhs. tim says the following my wife works in the care sector. she gets just £10 an hour and is concerned, only asked to do more hours. choose a shorter dress. in the last three days alone,

she has done 215 hour shifts . so she has done 215 hour shifts. so i think it's a really poor reflection of last society that carers get just above the minimum wage. i really do . i minimum wage. i really do. i don't know why we don't value our carers in this country more because i mean if you was getting a job stocking shelves in a supermarket, you'd be earning more than that, wouldn't you? michael says the overseas fund should scrapped and the fund should be scrapped and the money to councils to help money given to councils to help fund is disgraceful. fund social care is disgraceful. how we treat our elderly ? i how we treat our elderly? i don't know. do you mean foreign art? i don't know . robert, don't know. do you mean foreign art? i don't know. robert, i'm trying to get your views on the screen, by the way, and i'm not having much choice. i am trying to your moment of fame, to give you your moment of fame, but technology is me but technology is letting me down. robert says , sorry, paul down. robert says, sorry, paul embery wants a national care service . well, what about when service. well, what about when they go off on strike? says spike ? i don't know. right. spike? i don't know. right. let's move on, shall we? will come back to those kind of strikes, i am sure at some point again in the future . but for again in the future. but for now, former prime minister liz

truss has made her first international speech today , international speech today, calling for the west to take a robust stance. i tell you one, china is all about trying to protect taiwan . the first protect taiwan. the first question that i've got, alex dean, is why is liz truss the person in japan giving this address? because there's a group called the inter—parliamentary alliance on china, which is a campaign group that aims to foster more discussion about how democratic countries should deal with the rise of china and how it should approach questions over whether china is a threat to the global west and a threat to the global west and a threat to democracies . and i have not to democracies. and i have not that i'm involved in it. i assume that the latest event or conference or something is in japan. so she's been invited to go and speak at it. but former prime ministers and moreover, given it, she was in the job for another longer form of foreign secretaries. do pop up, pop up on international stage quite often. and are the often. and they are the difference , i think, between liz difference, i think, between liz truss and some of her

predecessor. this is the speed with been to with which she's been willing to do people who leave do it. most people who leave office give a period office normally give it a period office normally give it a period of silence before they start shouting the odds again. indeed i thought most flattering i thought the most flattering thing about major the thing about john major was the quiet that he had after quiet dignity that he had after leaving office. then he just started commenting occasionally. in the end, he couldn't help himself, was talking himself, but he was talking about everything. is about everything. liz truss is almost to that by almost straight to that by speaking in a high profile event so quickly. but we shouldn't be surprised by this . and the other surprised by this. and the other point i'd make is that one of the questions, the difficult is a poor prime minister tends to have is what to do about or with a former prime minister and this prime minister has got more of those it's those than usual. yeah it's a very lucrative job as well. those than usual. yeah it's a very l|arative job as well. those than usual. yeah it's a very l|a former)b as well. those than usual. yeah it's a very l|a former prime vell. those than usual. yeah it's a very l|a former prime minister of being a former prime minister of this country. so it seems. but what do you think? a fair what do you think? it's a fair point among other point because among other things, what she was saying is we have new we almost need to have this new ally. and it's like an economic nature type creation, if you like, china you like, against china would you agree like that? agree with a concept like that? i where are you of i i'm slightly where are you of the whole approach, to be

honest. i mean, i have little love for the chinese regime. i mean, it's clearly an authoritarian regime. i don't think i would particularly as a political activist, like to like to live under it. but i'm equally a bit worried about the way the world seems to be kind of military rising at the moment and the way that leaders who i think should where possible, try to speak the language of peace and dialogue and engagement . and dialogue and engagement. same, i think, or too often these days to bang the drum for war. and that concerns me. and it concerns me that it's almost as if we always need an enemy in the west. you know, it was the soviet union during the cold war , then it was islam. now it's russia and china and whatever. and it's almost as if we kind of look for that enemy purposely because we do this, because we feel that peculiarly kind of self—loathing position to look at russia invading ukraine. you

let me finish. yeah. if you'd let me finish. yeah. if you'd let me finish the point and we might be time to have some dialogue ourselves rather than bellicosity. alex, go then bellicosity. alex, go and then go you said the point go. so the so you said the point i'm making is we need to try to avoid another cold war if we can. i think at the moment, can. but i think at the moment, the kind of sabre rattling from certain people is not particularly helpful and not really in the country's interests. ultimately it's a peculiar world view, a peculiarly self—lacerating look at russia invading ukraine and china's attitude towards taiwan and say, well, the west must want enemies all the time. it must be down to us. that's what i was going to say. well i mean, in terms of in terms of taiwan, itend in terms of in terms of taiwan, i tend to think actually the whole debate about taiwan is much more complex and nuanced than some people give it credit for . it's often cloaked in the for. it's often cloaked in the language of good and evil. it's often cloaked in the language of angels and devils . and i don't angels and devils. and i don't think actually is think so. i think actually is think so. i think with taiwan, for example, with there are only there are

only 13 nations that actually recognise taiwan as a sovereign state. one of which is the vatican city. not even america recognises taiwan is about as a as a sovereign state. so my point, alex, is and this is this speaks to what i was saying at the beginning. often these disputes are much more complex and nuanced than people give them credit for. and simply speaking language of speaking the language of bellicosity and banging the drum for war always help you are interested in the benefits and doesn't actually help to bring about memories just about my memory memories just about my memory memories just about long enough to remember the of that those the beginning of that that those paragraphs where you said civility in civility was important. in taiwan, a democracy with taiwan, we have a democracy with a government can lose an election. opposition takes election. the opposition takes power party loses power and then that party loses and they switch back again peaceably without issue. peaceably and without issue. they transpower financial they have transpower financial situations. they respect patents. they have the rule of law. they are not calling for a chinese invasion of taiwan. let me just be clear about that. in case that's what you were introducing from that, it was

pretty much needed because when you it was when you were you think it was when you were saying it's not us saying it's not giving us much more what people say, more near what some people say, well, it's not it's not well, i know it's not it's not going to come on. but the question is all in one way, alex, i'm basically saying that a historical territorial dispute is not mean you is nuanced, does not mean you want power to invade want a major power to invade that particular. you think china's right to you think china's got a right to you think china's got a right to you think china's to claim china's got a right to claim that island? i think that island? well, i think i think it's fair to say that there's a legitimate claim by china. but equally, i think there are legitimate arguments. the other side is one of these. it's a bit like it's a bit like it's a bit like catalonia, actually. when you look at the two can lay two sides, both can lay legitimate to legitimate claims to a particular the answer to particular place. the answer to it, don't think war. the it, i don't think is war. the answer to it not. well, the answer to it is not. well, the answer to it is not. well, the answer is engagement and dialogue some sort of dialogue and some sort of negotiation isn't negotiation that china, isn't it, saying that they it, that is saying that they want this all by i think want this all back by i think that deadline is 2050 and it's china that saying we will china that saying and we will use if necessary russia use force if necessary russia china china china is saying look, taiwan has always been part china. now, you can part of china. now, you can disagree with that view, but my

point is, it's not such a far out view that it's not possible to articulate it in a reasonable debate . by all means, disagree debate. by all means, disagree with it, but don't try to represent it as an outlandish view because anyone who does probably doesn't grasp the historical aspects of it. okay, paul historical aspects of it. okay, paul, grasp this because it's very easy. it's also complicated . we probably shouldn't bother about it. no, no, no, i. so your question is, the aggression is coming china china coming from china and china alone. the being alone. it's not the west being aggressive. it's not taiwan being aggressive. it's china being aggressive. it's china being you being aggressive. given you dislike new dislike of bellicosity, new found , but welcome. that's found, but very welcome. that's where your attention should be. but suppose point then that but then suppose point then that that not so many places and people etc. regimes do it people etc. and regimes do it because the chinese say you can't. the chinese say there is only one china. we mustn't. can't. the chinese say there is only one china. we mustn't . we only one china. we mustn't. we must recognise us and not them. of at one point that of course, at one point that argument other argument works the other way round everyone recognise round and everyone recognise taiwan . then the republic of taiwan. then the republic of china rather than the people's repubuc. china rather than the people's republic . but do you think we republic. but do you think we should be concerned about china? hugely and do what about it?

there are two kinds of businesses. there are those who've been there that there's those that know they've been hacked chinese and sources. hacked by chinese and sources. and there are those that don't know they've been hacked by chinese . most major chinese sources. most major enterprise is have some kind of a leak or approach from china, whether it be about their patents or about their business secrets or something else. we say 4.1 on that is clamping down on it. interestingly i've seen claims about china respecting patent law a bit more nowadays because they're in favour of the death penalty for those who get caught breaching things. well, it's tremendous and civilised once again . so that's part one once again. so that's part one party would be out that taiwan is a liberal democratic nation and we should be thinking very especially given the commitments have been made to it by america and others, about what defending taiwan may look . in the end, the taiwan may look. in the end, the taiwanese are not going to roll oven taiwanese are not going to roll over. what does defending taiwan look like? alex in your world,

the taiwanese are very likely to be able to resist some kind of incursion , but we'll need more incursion, but we'll need more military tiny components . and military tiny components. and you know what, paul? it's much more nuanced and complicated than you might realise. first of all, it's quite difficult to mount island invasion. mount an island invasion. second, unless you want to second, to unless you want to bomb everything. and one of the things want to acquire things you want to acquire replace peaceably. we're not going copy something. taiwan going to copy something. taiwan on insignificance in on poles into insignificance in terms of military power compared to china. you must recognise that. you must recognise. that's fascinating . so the exercise the fascinating. so the exercise the facts on to the exercises that the taiwanese run every year and are internationally observed. you just think that's for that's it's good to know because if someone to mount d—day someone tried to mount d—day style on on on taiwan style landings on on on taiwan as the chinese wargame out there tony i just think that's amazing. this is real insights. we get to be very helpful. i just think it's fanciful to suggest that a relatively small country like taiwan would be able to resist. country like taiwan would be able to resist . and that's just able to resist. and that's just what they about being what they said about being against hope. i hope

against russia. i hope. i hope i hope it doesn't happen. and hope that it doesn't happen. and i would condemn china if they were to do it. however, we need to keep a sense of realism in the debate and somewhat say as well about yes, ukraine well about you say yes, ukraine is small and people have is very small and people have said exactly the thing said exactly the same thing about being able to about ukraine not being able to defend actually defend themselves. but actually it's necessarily ukraine it's not necessarily ukraine defending half of west . do ukraine and half of the west. do you the us should you you think the us should do you think the us and the west should send military support if in the end you love questions as if they're know they're provocative? we know these you get these claims by alex, you get questions, might you questions, they might make you uncomfortable you're going uncomfortable, but you're going to with getting to have to live with getting questions elicit what your questions to elicit what your position i'm honestly, position is. i'm honestly, we should suffer. i'm should let them suffer. i'm asking rhetorical asking just a rhetorical question. maybe maybe my question. maybe maybe answer my questions. the west questions. do you think the west should put boots on ground? should put boots on the ground? said, yes, we're ready. i said, yes, that's great. that's interesting. so essentially a third warning it's third world warning or that it's not enough. that's the reality, right? that's the reality. we need to be a bit more level headed. we're teetering on our way a third world war. that way into a third world war. that was the point we've just been. and in that conversation. and

where do you stand on it? give me a false gbviews@gbnews.uk. chuckis me a false gbviews@gbnews.uk. chuck is my email address so you can tweet me. ask michelle and james. i'm going to come back in 2 minutes. and when i do, i want to talk to you about the tv licence . do you still pay it licence. do you still pay it under the 59 quid a year? i think it is now. is it time to scrap it for good? i'll see you

in two. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry . this is dewbs& co and dewberry. this is dewbs& co and we're with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the writer, a firefighter and trade unionist, paul embery, and the political consultant , alex dean. political consultant, alex dean. lots compliments about you lots of compliments about you two coming in tonight. lots of compliments about you two coming in tonight . people two coming in tonight. people saying that they love this panel saying that they love this panel. i. mark says i love panel. so do i. mark says i love fridays these guests are the best. i agree. oh, yes. fridays these guests are the best. i agree. oh, yes . richard best. i agree. oh, yes. richard says, michelle, you forgot to

introduce dewbs& co as the best debate show on television. yes, i did. that was my new introduction and i forgot that i shall remember it on monday. well, not one takes them away, but when back, i will but when i come back, i will write. we been talking write. we just been talking about or not it's about china, whether or not it's about china, whether or not it's a is china is not a threat. lisa is china is not a threat. it's always in the west merely threatening ourselves by relying on cheap trade goods. it's less reliance it's simple, less reliance on cheap threat , cheap goods equals less threat, patrick says. is that connection visiting japan and all the history we are about balloons and ufo is banned and says the baffling thing for me is why do any western country deal with china ? they are an authoritarian china? they are an authoritarian in government . michelle it does in government. michelle it does seem to me our government cherry pick those countries. it will call to task depending on the detrimental effect it might cause to us. we will face up to china full on no matter what they. china full on no matter what they . do i china full on no matter what they. do i think it was david cameron, wasn't it? who told you remember 2015 to put. yeah but there was a state visit . i was

there was a state visit. i was at that dinner and somebody within my earshot came out the door and said we felt a bit low on that one. right in in retrospect it was a mistake, i think, to salam quite as we did to the chinese premier. well, i think townsend definitely moved on from those days there. have you got a tv licence moving on. apparently the director—general of the bbc has said it's amazing that most people are still away willing to pay that licence fee, which he likened to a forced payment on £59 a year. i think it is paul embery is it time that the whole thing was just scrapped? now not the bbc , the scrapped? now not the bbc, the licence fee? to be clear , not licence fee? to be clear, not yet. i don't think or when that got many criticism of the bbc, but not yet, i mean the bbc, i think when is good. the bbc can be brilliant. i mean, if you think of classic shows over the years, comedy is sports programmes . they often say programmes. they often say documentaries never watched that one person i especially in 2000

sexiest man completely completely missed that you invariably you think of the bbc because the bbc has often been at the root of a great top quality dramas and whatever. but i think the truth is there is nowadays in the bbc a very obvious kind of culturally liberal bias, something that andrew marr of the bbc mentioned. he's caught admitted in an interview. he said he's a cultural institution and that kind of infects its output in many respects. and i think there has been legitimate questions about the bbc adopting off then unknowingly , you know in a way unknowingly, you know in a way that's not deliberate partisan positions on particular political , social, cultural political, social, cultural questions and whether i like the idea of the channel, especially in these days in these days of rampant commercialism , i like rampant commercialism, i like the idea of a channel where there's no adverts for, i think i think that's a good thing . so i think that's a good thing. so it need to be able to buy sell

you gold. i know i do, but i do. and i think, you know, we may well get to a point where i think there's such a rebellion among the populace against the tv licence fee that there may well be no option for the government to say, okay, we're scrapping it. i don't think we're position yet. i we're at that position yet. i don't simply want us to be at that yet. many of my that position yet. many of my viewers are entitled to say no. they certainly at that position viewers are entitled to say no. thejthey ainly at that position viewers are entitled to say no. thejthey have at that position viewers are entitled to say no. thejthey have swapped osition viewers are entitled to say no. thejthey have swapped theirn viewers are entitled to say no. thejthey have swapped their tv and they have swapped their tv licence. the licence. alex daniels the alleged of output, alleged quality of output, which is might is is a claim one might dispute, is irrelevant as to whether or not people should compelled that potential points of imprisonment for not paying, for the bbc. and it seems to me your question was actually completely reasonable about whether or not, whatever you think about the bbc , is this you think about the bbc, is this model required to fund it, which i'm sure what caused i'm not sure what caused position was listening to him, but i do think the time has well passed when we should be compelled in this way, not least i note, because it's one of the most frequent nightly arising reasons for the prosecution of

women in this country. women, generally speaking, more law abiding, more peaceable, less violent, and therefore commit fewer offences. one of the main reasons that they are summoned to appear in magistrates courts is non—payment of the licence fee, complete waste of time and indeed sometimes with bad consequences . so i think about consequences. so i think about that too. and i also think that the suggestion that the absence of advertisements is enough of a reason to be able to compel a population to pay for something which otherwise they be able to sign. i like that idea. well, i know, but your preference is a fatuous to compel other fatuous reason to compel other people alex phillips . the people alex phillips. can the point something me? i'm point have something for me? i'm not. i'm not suggesting that that should be everybody's. we have keep the distance then, have to keep the distance then, please. i'm simply saying please. i hope i'm simply saying that these times rampant that these times of rampant commercialism, it's quite nice in that's what the in my view. that's what the generalised novembers does, but it that. i'm it doesn't extend that. say, i'm imputing everybody. imputing that view to everybody. it that it it doesn't matter that it doesn't, would doesn't, because you would choose for it. no, choose to pay for it. no, i mean, look, i mean, i think. would you if it was optional, would you choose if it was

optional? if it was not an optional? so if it was not an enforced thing and they said, actually, what, actually, you know what, we're going remove the compulsion. going to remove the compulsion. we're mandate, we're going to remove mandate, but still want some but we do still want get some form of revenue in from this licence. so going to make licence. so we're going to make it you want to support it optional. you want to support the in way, you can pay the bbc in this way, you can pay in 59, but you to after. would you choose to pay it? i'm not shouldering a cost of living crisis. choose crisis. i choose to pay a particular fee or tax that i'm not to pay. that doesn't not obliged to pay. that doesn't mean it's a uniquely mean why not. it's a uniquely good product. you said good cultural product. you said you all could show. you think all this could show. you yeah, i mean, would you said, yeah, i mean, it would be. think, silly to suggest be. i think, silly to suggest that should volunteer to that people should volunteer to pay that people should volunteer to pay they didn't pay something that they didn't have to you have a choice to say. but you would i think, look, you know, is a form of taxation, but we do have all sorts of forms of tax ation fees in all sorts of ation and fees in all sorts of areas of which were obliged areas of life which were obliged to can say we to pay. and we can say we shouldn't be obliged to pay you that it's the national broadcaster. it's always come with a now the time may with a fee. now the time may come changes just come when that changes and. just making i don't think making the point, i don't think yet is and i don't yet that day is here and i don't think too unreasonable that think it's too unreasonable that we're asked to that is

think it's too unreasonable that wdifferentd to that is think it's too unreasonable that wdifferent point that is think it's too unreasonable that wdifferent point here. at is think it's too unreasonable that wdifferent point here. it's is a different point here. it's about the speech issue that about the free speech issue that not about the bbc but everybody else's. and we're everybody else who wishes to communicate with you. you may not like the method, but wishes to communicate with free by communicate with you for free by dint of that communication being paid by adverts and you paid for by adverts and you wishing what but one wishing wishing what you but one wishing to to that exchange to listen to that that exchange is interfered with by the requirement as long as you want to have broadcasting receptacle equipment to be able to hear it , you have to pay that separate fee that is akin to wanting to go see this thinking of your go and see this thinking of your preferences. paul on it i choose cats or starlight express. i'm being told that in order to go and see that, you've got to pay for lameness. and you would say, what i want to see lameness. i say, well, why not? it's unique. agricultural product. you think of a good play, you always think of a good play, you always think of lameness. you pay this, and if you you to if you don't, you can go to prison. try and watch prison. if you try and watch cats, don't have watch cats, you don't have to watch it. mean, it doesn't make it. i mean, it doesn't make sense, does it? honestly, you don't you don't have to. you don't you don't have to. you

don't watch. 40,000 don't have to watch. 40,000 repeats on bbc two if you if you choose you would choose not to. but you would have that is great have to admit that is great quality comedy isn't thrown off because of the dartboard. well, don't way, used don't forget, by the way, i used to have a tv licence to have to have a tv licence just if you had television just if you had a television nowadays, course, it's if nowadays, of course, it's if watch live television or if you watch live television or if you watch the i play as well i have to say of you getting in to say lots of you getting in touch saying that don't have touch saying that you don't have a because you don't a tv licence because you don't take boxes. just take those boxes. i was just saying, stream your content, saying, you stream your content, post event or watch it post the event, or you watch it via youtube whatever. anyway, via youtube or whatever. anyway, your thoughts them coming your thoughts keep them coming and to take quick and i'm going to take a quick break. come back, i'll break. when i come back, i'll have of your insights just as michelle. i can't believe alex is still without water, is not. we brought water in the fellows next. it came in a mug in one. yeah. so yeah we're not that cool. i wouldn't men since are they. to that extent i might even get another as well even get another drink as well in the break. don't go anywhere and see you in 2 minutes. and i will see you in 2 minutes. when come i to ask when i come back, i want to ask you, what is your dream job? are you, what is your dream job? are you doing right now? not, you doing it right now? if not, why i'll you into .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i am keeping you company right through until 7:00 tonight. you look , you people tonight. you look, you people and i'm looking to because in the studio keeping me company, i've got the rights of the firefighter and the trade unions, paul embry and the political consultant alex date to look everyone is friday is my favourite part of the week we get a little chairs will get to do a little chairs will actually allow you to do paul embry with the pine i've ever seen that was a pub send it back with you if that was the certainly when you put flake in it something. yeah. you it or something. yeah. you didn't actually when it didn't say actually when it arrives a couple of minutes ago at biggest head i've ever seen, i know that heads i don't know where that heads gonna. have slipped gonna. you must have slipped off. me off. they're trying to send me a message, actually, about a big head or something. i'm saying absolutely i'm saying absolutely nothing. i'm saying absolutely nothing. right you guys getting in touch guys have been getting in touch a lot of you. what's not with

you? nothing. awesome nothing. nothing off again . nothing. nothing is off again. nothing. you didn't. you didn't leave was complete innuendo the way that is. i can assure you that it's not like me. we did all right, because i'm trying to be a little miss professional. i'm focusing on my next segment, and i'm very disappointed in things andinnuendo. i'm very disappointed in things and innuendo . an italian and innuendo. an italian suppository. did you know that? very good. yes i'll tell you what. and then you enjoy something that normally makes me chuckle deep inside. i'm awake. you're awake. i'm going to rewind when get back home. rewind it when i get back home. right. a woman america quit right. a woman in america quit a supermarket and now get supermarket job and now get this, everyone, she makes supermarket job and now get this, everyone, she make s £4,000 this, everyone, she makes £4,000 per building virtual per month building virtual houses on. a video game. now, sevilla last year found that only a third of uk workers are generally happy in their jobs. most of the time are one of them. are you happy in your job and what is your dream job? let me start with you, alex dean. i

love my job, love running a team. i love working in the city. i love providing counsel and advice to companies. but i also believe in public service . also believe in public service. unfashionable enough, i would like to be a member of parliament. would you let me go 7 parliament. would you let me go ? going to try and hazard ? i was going to try and hazard a guess which party it a guess as to which party it might be, but i think you would know we are a longer. know if we are a little longer. you might it down. yeah, you might narrow it down. yeah, i don't know. i don't think i've got time to try and figure out. obviously i'll anyone who obviously i'll send anyone who claims to want to an mp claims to want to be an mp automatically disqualify themselves from entering parliament in the first place. what embery? are parliament in the first place. whéliving embery? are parliament in the first place. whéliving dream?nbery? are parliament in the first place. whéliving dream? itiery? are parliament in the first place. whéliving dream? it comes'e you living your dream? it comes to i i'm very lucky to work. i mean, i'm very lucky to work. i mean, i'm very lucky to a firefighter and enjoy to be a firefighter and enjoy the job. gives you a great sense of reward and vocation. my. my dream. i mean, i would have loved to have been a professional footballer. i played quite a bit of football when i was a kid, quite reasonable standard, but it didn't i didn't have. i often think i would have liked to be a journalist in the of fleet journalist in the eyes of fleet street that was really the street when that was really the hub of where could get away with anything. well, that's right. i

big expense account spending every afternoon in the pub and whatever good unions in those days course that have days of course that would have been think up my street i been i think up my street i would have actually liked to be a lawyer as well . something that a lawyer as well. something that resonates i'm sure with alex dependent i wouldn't mind earning his money for a happily recordable. i can't believe that neighbour who you first just sat there. gave you advice. i there. i gave you free advice. i didn't answer of you. i didn't answer either of you. i was asking if you're doing your dream job, you're living your was asking if you're doing your dreeand)b, you're living your was asking if you're doing your dreeand the you're living your was asking if you're doing your dreeand the restr're living your was asking if you're doing your dreeand the rest of living your was asking if you're doing your dreeand the rest of itjing your was asking if you're doing your dreeand the rest of it. never.jr life and the rest of it. never. if alluded to on here with if you alluded to on here with me. well, you didn't with me. well, you didn't do it with us either. yes, i didn't. me. well, you didn't do it with us either. yes, i didn't . you us either. yes, i didn't. you the time when i was expecting you to have brought living my dream, being on this panel, how is that know where i would rather be? even though we were supposed to go for a drink, the three of us afterwards pitched because you double your business, we were supposed to be going after the show. going for drink after the show. by going for drink after the show. by way, can we a focus by the way, can we get a focus on this guy and the speed at which he drinks? just avoid this like fish. see, now, i've like a fish. see, now, i've never anything like never said anything like that, if it's not it's not if you like. it's not a it's not

big, not clever. you're big, it's not clever. you're a serious competitor. he's preparing for being a member of parliament. yeah. fastest bass all the but all the time in the land, but yes, were to be yes, we were supposed to be having cheeky one. and having a cheeky one. and then i got at a fifties because got to drive back to home on the way we've been stood up this you could you stood by delivery could you stood up by delivery you can get in my car and come back to home with me. that would be interesting, wouldn't that? dave hypnotherapist dave says i'm a hypnotherapist and it's a fantastic job improving . i improving people's lives. i wouldn't mind doing that. that wouldn't mind doing that. that would very interesting. would be very interesting. andrew my dream job, says clive, is editor of is a freelance editor of military history books. very interesting. interested in interesting. i was interested in my job would be the michelle and dennis show the beauty and the beast, says mr. della . beast, says mr. della. interesting. lots of fascinating things coming in. i always wanted to be a dancer by the way, but it quickly dawned upon me, i've got absolutely no rhythm whatsoever . right? look rhythm whatsoever. right? look at the time it flies by. doesn't it? when you are having fun . it? when you are having fun. that's all i've got time for. thank you, chaps. thank you very much. next week, but a family time for me. i'll see you in a

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