good evening, fellow travellers will come along once more to neil oliver live on gb news tv and on radio . tonight on the and on radio. tonight on the show i'll be joined from america by colonel douglas macgregor , by colonel douglas macgregor, and he'll give us his view on the situation regarding the ongoing war in ukraine. also in america , a train carrying america, a train carrying potentially dangerous chemicals derailed in ohio . potentially dangerous chemicals derailed in ohio. i'll be joined by an expert to assess the implications. by an expert to assess the implications . we'll ask why the implications. we'll ask why the government has abandoned its investigation into the mass death of shellfish off the

northeast coast of england, which has badly impacted the fishing industry in that part of the country. plus two, fantastic great britain's tonight and plenty of chat with my panellists molly kingsley and greg swensen. but first, an update on the latest news from tatyana sanchez. neil, thank you and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the uk says it's ready to support countries which can provide fighter jets to ukraine. countries which can provide fighterjets to ukraine. the prime minister made the commitment after addressing the munich security conference where he urged world leaders to act now and double down on military support . rishi sunak said the support. rishi sunak said the west responds to russia hasn't been strong enough and to win the war. ukraine needs more artillery , armoured vehicles and artillery, armoured vehicles and air defence. i've done is say to all allies that we stand ready to support them if they can provide fighter jets in ukraine.

now and for our part, we're also leading the world in training ukrainian pilots on nato's standard aircraft. that's the right thing to do because this is about giving ukraine the means to defend themselves and win this war. that's about more air defence. it's about armoured vehicles, about long—range vehicles, it's about long—range weapons uk out in front weapons. the uk is out in front in all of things and it's in all of these things and it's important we continue do important that we continue to do so because we all want so and lead because we all want to ukraine succeed . the to see ukraine succeed. the prime also said a deal prime minister also said a deal with the european union on fixing issues with the northern ireland protocol is by no means done. rishi sunak held talks with the european commission president, ursula von der leyen on the sideline of the summit, described as a positive discussion. the leaders said intense work was still needed at official and ministerial levels and they agreed to remain in close contact over the coming days. i'm working very hard together with my ministerial colleagues . foreign secretaries colleagues. foreign secretaries in the audience . secretary of in the audience. secretary of state for northern ireland. we are working very closely together. engaging in together. we're engaging in those conversations with the

european union next week , european union next week, potential all the time. and we have been for a while. but what i'd say is there is still work to do. i think there is still work to do. there are still challenges to work through. we have resolved of these have not resolved all of these issues. no there issues. no, there is no there isn't a deal that has been done. the death toll nearly two weeks after turkey earthquake has after the turkey earthquake has climbed to more than 46,000. former premier league footballer christian atsu is among the lives lost. his agent confirming his body was found under the rubble of his home. rescue efforts are contained doing this morning. a child was among three people saved. 296 hours after the first quake hit, one of the uk's richest people , sirjim uk's richest people, sir jim ratcliffe, has confirmed his company, ineos, has joined the race to buy manchester united . race to buy manchester united. he's competing with sheikh jassim bin hamad al—thani, the chairman of one of qatar's

biggest banks , to acquire the biggest banks, to acquire the club from the glazer family . sir club from the glazer family. sir jim says he wants to make manchester united the number one club in the world again . railway club in the world again. railway engineering workers are holding 348 hour strikes next month. members of the rmt union at balfour beatty will walk out on the third, the 10th and the 17th of march in a dispute over pay. they rejected the company's offer over 5.5% increase in pay to be backdated to april last year. to be backdated to april last year . meanwhile, to be backdated to april last year. meanwhile, unions representing thousands of universities staff have called off seven days of strike action over the next two weeks, issuing a joint statement. they said an agreement has been reached on pay agreement has been reached on pay and pensions with a final pay pay and pensions with a final pay offer of between eight and 5% from august. however, the five planned strikes in mid—march over grading and 0 hours contract will still go ahead. hours contract will still go ahead . countries are being urged ahead. countries are being urged

for sanctions against north korea following the latest ballistic missile launch. pyongyang fired a long—range rocket into the sea off japan's west coast this morning . it west coast this morning. it happened a day after it threatened a strong response to joint military exercises by south korea and the united states. the action has been condemned by the international community with the us secretary of state, antony blinken, describing it as a provocative act . and more than a thousand act. and more than a thousand homes in aberdeenshire are still without power after storm otto. strong winds caused blackouts across both scotland and northern england yesterday , but northern england yesterday, but most properties have now been reconnected to the grid. scottish and southern electricity networks says it sent food vans to affected areas and it hopes all power will be restored by the end of the day . restored by the end of the day. tv online and dab plus radio . tv online and dab plus radio. this is gb news now it's back to neil oliver. life .

neil oliver. life. i don't think governments value human beings much anymore . those human beings much anymore. those we entrust with power , our own we entrust with power, our own power have long since stopped seeing the populations for what they are or could be, which is filled with potential. the potential of unique individuals with part to play in society and service to offer the communities more and more tools that are too many of us alive in the world. at the same time using up the resources faster than they can be replaced and making a mess of everything we touch. the totalitarians and technocrats of the world, economic forum like to dismiss the millions as useless eaters surplus to requirements that seem wef and its worshippers are infuriated by individuals who value national borders and sovereignty and states with unique heritage and states with unique heritage and ways of life, not to mention

constitutions that declare the inalienable rights of all those pesky individuals with their own ideas about how to live a life . ideas about how to live a life. instead, those self worshipping would be autocrats indulge fantasies of another utopia in which everything works. exactly as they want it to , without the as they want it to, without the place just being cluttered with billions of people inclined to follow their own heart desires that every one of those human beings might be entitled to a decent life independent of the state as much as possible. is for the one world government devotees only an obstacle to be overcome , a truth to be deleted overcome, a truth to be deleted , so useless are so many of us in their eyes, or very soon to be made useless by technology. we to be powerless to we have to be made powerless to resist . we should apparently be resist. we should apparently be grateful to occupy unheated homes and eat plants and insects while we live out our spans within walking distance of our homes . i live in stirling, homes. i live in stirling, a town in scotland . every day i town in scotland. every day i speak to people , regular people, speak to people, regular people, you know , people of every sort you know, people of every sort from all manner of walks of life. we talk about the mess we

have been put in supposed have been put in by our supposed leaders . just as a for instance, leaders. just as a for instance, we've been in the long process of doing up our and over of doing up our house. and over the we've got to the years we've got to know plumbers, electricians , plumbers, electricians, plasterers, painters roofers plasterers, painters and roofers . just about every trade you can think of . one way or another , i think of. one way or another, i don't know how to do the things they a clue what family they do. not a clue what family need. simply one of those skilled people and on a regular basis, more more know we basis, more and more know we talk with those clever skilled people state of the people about the state of the nafion people about the state of the nation we our nation. together, we share our disbelief about what has gone on these few years and ask these past few years and ask each other what is to be done to put it all right, those folk and all the others of every sort of all the others of every sort of all the others of every sort of all the sensible common sense ideas, a community might need, ideas, a community might need, ideas born out of spending of days in real world, made of days in the real world, made of the lives of regular the lives of other regular people, lives which they make people, lives to which they make every meaningful contributions courtesy of the skills of their hands , the determination to get hands, the determination to get on and make things better for themselves and others. truth themselves and others. the truth is , these people are essential. is, these people are essential. i could be wrong, but i very

much doubt bill gates knows much about fixing the plumbing in a victorian house. he got it all wrong with the so—called vaccines, say so. knows vaccines, i'd say so. god knows what a mess he'd make of the outlook bathroom. outlook for a family bathroom. likewise i don't suppose schwab or duval noah harari of the wef would be much help when it came to putting in an electrical ring mean to that house. does mean to power that house. does either of them have any hands on experience of maintaining an internal engine , or internal combustion engine, or are they just committed to eliminating don't even eliminating what they don't even understand .7 elon musk is a dark understand? elon musk is a dark horse and nothing would surprise me about him, but i haven't actually had him talk much about how plaster walls and install how to plaster walls and install a ceiling. rose he plans to go to on mars, but i don't to live on mars, but i don't know how good he'd be. three stories up, mending leaky stories up, mending a leaky slate planet earth slate roof here on planet earth . father in law is a retired . my father in law is a retired engineer. he's also, more importantly, a member of a critically endangered species , critically endangered species, which is to see men who can do things. he started his training in coal mines. he can make and fix anything. you can think of.

he can strip down and rebuild tissue trim condition, any motorbike or car he might care to mention. i'm pretty sure you could take him to a world war ii tank rusting in the african desert and with some tools oil and fuel. he'd get that started as well . he can build your house as well. he can build your house from the foundation up and install all the services required during the nearly 40 years i've known him. i've watched him at work at times and wonder seriously wondered what on earth i've been doing with my time. who can make and do time. people who can make and do things , make and fix things. and things, make and fix things. and i wonder to me they should be a wonder to everyone . as unique wonder to everyone. as unique individuals, we have so much potential. our so—called leaders would have us elsewhere all would have us look elsewhere all the time. we have to fight what amounts to planned and choreographed decay and neglect, deliberate neglect that is a huge part of the harm inflicted on society. i look around a society being bullied into thinking of people themselves and others as redundant, useless eaters . and i wonder how enough eaters. and i wonder how enough we got to this point for a

start. when did we stop educating people to understand the truth of the world around them, how it works and how they might make a useful contribution to it? when we start passing to it? when did we start passing on the skills of still making meaning , on the skills of still making meaning, heavy industry and the rest in of watching other rest in favour of watching other nafions rest in favour of watching other nations around the world accelerate past when it comes accelerate past us when it comes to the know how to to acquiring the know how to keep the world working. when did governments farmers who governments decide farmers who should give the least the growing food we eat? what growing the food we eat? what are the enemy instead of the bedrock healthy populations? bedrock of healthy populations? if are useless people if there are any useless people , they've made that , then they've been made that way generation of dumbing way by generation of dumbing down downright deliberate down and downright deliberate abuse our cities abuse and misuse. our cities infrastructures are falling apart because somewhere along the line decisions were taken to make it so . likewise, the make it so. likewise, the potholed roads and motorways, the rusting bridges , the the rusting bridges, the villages and central reservations of our roads. networks are littered through not because it has to be that we, but because someone in authority wants that way . authority wants it that way. more and more, the individual in this country is being sacrificed to the so—called collective good

for the good of the planet, not to be called out in our homes, for the good planet. what for the good of the planet. what to plants and insects to eat. plants and insects instead of meat grew instead of the meat that grew our big human brains in the first place. for of the first place. for the good of the planet stop exploiting our planet to stop exploiting our own resources. own natural resources. and instead buy import the stuff instead buy and import the stuff of and industry top dollar of life and industry top dollar from competitors as long as from our competitors as long as it's others hollowing out their landscapes, bottling fossil fuels, and emitting co2 into their own skies to make the batteries, wind turbines and solar panels, then everything's just tickety boo. apparently environmental impact notwithstanding always the so—called common good comes at the expense of the individuals who actually live here in this country. i want to raise families here. we've heard a lot about public health these past few years. covid was a public health emergency. they told us. requiring down one size fits requiring top down one size fits all solutions . requiring top down one size fits all solutions. in requiring top down one size fits all solutions . in recent weeks, all solutions. in recent weeks, i've listened for many hours to physicians , gp's and medical physicians, gp's and medical professionals from all over the world who in 2020 quickly

understood how to treat covid with readily available medicines and so collectively saved tens of thousands of lives. but by the middle of that year, we're bound by our own health authorities from doing so or even talking about it. follow the money. that's all i'm seeing. the truth , in my seeing. the truth, in my opinion, at least, is that there's no such thing as public health. never has been and never will be. there's only individual health. every unique individual's health assessed to establish their specific needs . establish their specific needs. the treatment that will fix them . in my homeland of scotland, what building? farewell first what building? farewell to first minister sturgeon . if minister nicola sturgeon. if i have to listen to one more commentator, describe her as an impressive politician and a skilled communicator, i think the top of my head might flip openin the top of my head might flip open in my brain will come out on a spring. all that set her apart was the craven look, spittle falling of a mainstay in media that glossed over every fault purely for the entertainment she provided with her the clock attacks on her round the clock attacks on the government in westminster. like millions of my countrymen ,

like millions of my countrymen, i had to listen to her claim to speak everyone north of the speak for everyone north of the border. her snp ran border. both she and her snp ran scotland into ground scotland into the ground wrecking education, wrecking health, the infrastructure and much else. besides, while drug deaths and crime rose unchecked. worst of all was what she did to education, taking a system that was once the envy of the world and so damaging her own government to take scottish schools off the international league tables . because our league tables. because our national so complete. national fall was so complete. sturgeon also maintained a steady attack on the family , but steady attack on the family, but other safe space for the raising of children as individuals and not creatures of the state in not as creatures of the state in vain . thank god, she sought to vain. thank god, she sought to slip a so—called named person, a relative stranger between every child and its parents. she did, however, successfully see to it that children as young as four are able to adopt the opposite gender at school. to answer to an alternative name and use a different toilet, all parents knowing foetus with the loss of the individual begins when the state and not the family assumes control. the better to impose

the ideology of the moment instead of leaving it to the family to get in to protect their own offspring . a crucial their own offspring. a crucial part of the fightback we must make to reclaim our world from the autocrats, technocrats, an ideologues is reminding ourselves of the unique value of individual human being. if the proposed future must find billions of us useless , then billions of us useless, then that future is not right. for humankind, not good enough . humankind, not good enough. period. case closed . during the period. case closed. during the 19505, period. case closed. during the 1950s, there was an encounter at mit between marvin minsky , a mit between marvin minsky, a father of artificial intelligence , and doug intelligence, and doug engelbart, another icon of the information age . minsky told an information age. minsky told an audience , we're going to make audience, we're going to make machines intelligent . we're machines intelligent. we're going to make them conscious. to which engelbart replied , you're which engelbart replied, you're going to do all that for the machines. what are you going to do the people will leave now do for the people will leave now with intelligent machines, all but able to think for themselves. it's with this technology. i nearly plunged our species redundant in every way . species redundant in every way. engelbart's question is therefore more urgent than before. just what are we going

to do for the people? and much more importantly , crucially, in more importantly, crucially, in fact, just what are we going to do for ourselves ? here's the do for ourselves? here's the thing i o do for ourselves? here's the thing i 0 species is the most extraordinary creation of the universe inside our skulls, we are equipped with £3 of rosy pink meat , are equipped with £3 of rosy pink meat, able to conceive of and to seek to understand the infinity of the universe . as far infinity of the universe. as far as know, we are unique in as we know, we are unique in that universe. we have the wit and the skills to dream of travelling to the stars. can travelling to the stars. we can do anything and everything from smallest to greatest that we set our minds to , and dare to our minds to, and they dare to call us useless eaters . well call us useless eaters. well that's my opinion, of course. and you're to free disagree with me. keep your tweets and your emails coming throughout the show . you can email gb views at show. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk and you can tweet me as well. to gb news. and i'll try to get to some comments later in the show. joining me

throughout the evening, mollie kingsley , lead author and kingsley, lead author and co—founder of us for them, which campaigns for children's rights. and greg swainson , the chair of and greg swainson, the chair of the republican's overseas uk. good evening, both. thank you for being here. great to be here. and mollie, i'll come to you first. are we just dots on graphs? name of the ones above us. just treating us as a homogenous lump . i mean, homogenous lump. i mean, possibly. we always have been, because i don't think there's anything new about the idea that we are part of a collective. i mean , if you go back as far as mean, if you go back as far as aristotle and more recently than that, you know, we are individual that make up something much bigger. i do think that what has happened in the last few years, particularly the last few years, particularly the last few years, particularly the last two or three years, is you have a almost like a bastardisation of the common good due to the really huge and it seems increasingly obvious corrupting influences of you

know, big corporates, big pharma, big tech , big food and pharma, big tech, big food and the rights of the individual in the rights of the individual in the face of that massive collective of wealth seems to be diminished and diminishing. and certainly with the changes that we're about to see to the international health regulations, you know, the you really are formalising and hardwiring . i think some of the hardwiring. i think some of the ideas that you've talked about. so the loss of rights that have been seen as inalienable, inalienable and instead deference to this idea of, you know, equity , coherence and know, equity, coherence and inclusion in it's very vague nofions inclusion in it's very vague notions that kind of serve some ill defined common good. so i think , yeah, that absolutely think, yeah, that absolutely should concern us all. drake, what do you think? how do you feel about those above us in the food chain ? just increasingly, food chain? just increasingly, it seems to me, making decisions about our lives , even bothering about our lives, even bothering to discuss it with us. yeah. you're seeing this with the central planners. they don't really have the conversations

with the people. they just make these these announcements and they these decision like we they make these decision like we saw most obvious , obviously, saw the most obvious, obviously, was during lockdowns that lockdowns were necessary and masks necessary , and masks were necessary, and children in schools should be closed without. not only without considering the science , they considering the science, they all bragged about following the science really weren't. science and they really weren't. but also , you know, were but also, you know, they were following science whenever following their science whenever there a potential or a there was a potential or a possibility of debate , it was possibility of debate, it was censored. and it was and we've only found out recently that both in the uk and the us the censorship was driven by the government. this should be really troubling for people that, you know, life should return to. you know, burke's little platoons , right? you little platoons, right? you know, the family, the neighbourhood, the civic organisations , the little league organisations, the little league teams, the church, you know , and teams, the church, you know, and not the central planning. and i think the other thing we saw, even after the covid lockdowns, was the complete disregard card for best examples, energy prices, which led to higher food

pnces prices, which led to higher food prices that wasn't considered a crisis and it really should have been and it was all driven by government policy . so next thing government policy. so next thing you know, you have, you know, you know, you have, you know, you have energy prices that that were going up dramatically . that were going up dramatically. that led to higher fertiliser prices, higher food prices and in many ways, the government i'm not saying they like it, but they surely don't mind it because scarcity is control. you know, scarcity is control. you know, scarcity really leads to dependency which they don't mind. they like that it's central planning, it's big government. and so that's just another thing that we probably didn't think about during the dark days of covid lockdowns. but but what followed with inflation and, you know, especially energy and food inflation was scarcity, which, again , they like its control, again, they like its control, but it's that the indulge themselves and thinking that they can just make these decisions right make these decisions right make these decisions and they don't need to they don't need to. we're going to pick up on a lot less after the break because a break upon us already, after which colonel douglas macgregor join us

douglas macgregor will join us from america to discuss the latest developments regarding russia's .

ukraine welcome back to neil. all of our life now the long expected russian spring offensive in ukraine is under way, nato reported last week. the eastern city of baku, among others in the east, has been under attack and observers warn the russian effort will be widely spread with multiple targets . on the with multiple targets. on the 8th of february, ukrainian president zelenskyy spoke in westminster hall and asked for british fighter jets for his pilots. prime minister rishi sunak and labour leader keir starmer had earlier spoken in the commons about their commitment to supporting ukraine until victory is achieved . just until victory is achieved. just what are the prospects for the ukraine in the days, weeks and months ahead to consider that

question is my next guest, retired us colonel douglas macgregor, a decorated combat veteran and former advisor to the secretary of defence in the trump administration. good evening, colonel. thanks for joining me . i'm sure. evening, colonel. thanks for joining me . i'm sure . first of joining me. i'm sure. first of all, what is your assessment of the war in ukraine at this time 7 the war in ukraine at this time ? we're right now you have in and around ukraine roughly 700,000 russian troops , the body 700,000 russian troops, the body major body of these troops are located down in southern ukraine and in western russia . most of and in western russia. most of these troops are new in the sense that they're mobilised or recruited , but they are all recruited, but they are all commanded by experienced combat veterans in front of them right now, or highly elite light infantry formations backed by massive strike assets, clearing

the remaining areas through which these massive forces will shortly pass . it's almost, shortly pass. it's almost, almost finished. not quite backward, which has been under attack for months and is literally bled. the ukrainian army white is close to being annihilated but other than that most of these forces are ready to go. it's simply a question of when the general staff in moscow gives the green light . and by gives the green light. and by the way, they are targets for missile strikes have changed dramatically . they've stripped dramatically. they've stripped away virtually all the remaining air defence that the ukrainians have now. there are voices out there all around calling for greater involvement in ukraine by nato countries almost up to and including boots on the ground and so on. how do you react to that ? well, i think we react to that? well, i think we were suffering from a narrative that was promulgated early through the media by this ruling

class that you've been discussing with your guests and the ruling class has tried to convince everyone that russia is the evil empire that is striking, helpless ukraine. in reality , we spent the last eight reality, we spent the last eight years building up a force in ukraine whose entire purpose was to attack and destroy russia , to attack and destroy russia, focusing mainly on eastern ukraine and then crimea, the russians saw this threat metastasise and realised it was only a matter of time until american theatre ballistic missiles and short range missiles and short range missiles showed up in eastern ukraine. and so they intervened. they intervened with the goal of convincing us that we should negotiate and that the ukrainians should back down. we would not negotiate. in fact , we would not negotiate. in fact, we prevented the ukrainians from negotiating. and we have insisted on this long war. russia had to make a decision would it cut its losses and get out or would it finish the fight ? it couldn't cut its losses and get out because there's an

existential threat in eastern ukraine to russia. so they decided to annihilate it . and decided to annihilate it. and this phase of the operation is designed to effectively secure all the territory east of that dnieper river. i imagine the subsequent phases will move west of the river, how far they go and what they do will depend entirely on whether or not we finally recognise that we cannot help ukraine win . we are not help ukraine win. we are not going to win this fight. help ukraine win. we are not going to win this fight . the going to win this fight. the russians will. greg how do you build with mcauliffe ? i bring in build with mcauliffe? i bring in greg swensen who's here in the studio with me. how do you react to what the colonel is saying there? well, i think what the colonel is saying is, is in contrast to what we're hearing in the media and so i'm not sure whether believe the media. whether to believe the media. and, know , because the idea and, you know, because the idea that that was promulgated as as colonel macgregor said was that the russians are the invaders here. and ukraine are just defending their country. but that's you know, we just don't

know what if this narrative that was developed by the media is true or not. you know, there hasn't been any debate. and that's i think the biggest problem here is that the elites in both countries in the us. and uk. to decided right and the uk. to decided right out of the gates that, you know, this was the most important issue. must we saw issue. and we must and we saw mitch say this last mitch mcconnell say this last week, this is the most important crisis for america . meanwhile, crisis for america. meanwhile, there are much bigger problems in america than this one. as far as americans are concerned. so. so there's some really , really so there's some really, really different arguments here. colonel macgregor, sure you're listening to that. i also mentioned in my introduction to you the rishi sunak , the british you the rishi sunak, the british pm and keir starmer , the pm and keir starmer, the opposition leader of you have committed to staying with ukraine until victory and you know, it's not going to be a fighter jet know, it's not going to be a fighterjet supply know, it's not going to be a fighter jet supply to know, it's not going to be a fighterjet supply to ukraine, fighter jet supply to ukraine, long—range missiles , you know. long—range missiles, you know. what are the implications russians for nato's if britain

keeps, you know , nudging closer keeps, you know, nudging closer and closer to what certainly sounds like war, direct war with russia? well the english speaking countries have fully embraced this false narrative about russia and ukraine. they staged the coup and installed a government in kyiv, which was from its inception, fundamentally hostile and anti—russian. the war that we're now witnessing was cultivated over many years, not just over the last eight, but certainly the last eight, but certainly the deaths of 14,000 people in eastern ukraine as a result of ukrainian aggression against the russians in their own country was part of it. but this is this has been a long term process thatis has been a long term process that is now put the russians in the position of fighting an existential threat for russia. ukraine's membership in nato means that it becomes a permanent platform for attack against russia. they will not tolerate that. they have no

choice but to fight this to the finish. most europeans , i think, finish. most europeans, i think, are completely disinterested in fighting this war. i'd be surprised if most people in britain, unless absolutely want conscription to be announced and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of british troops to be sent to the continent to fight the russians . russians will . i think the russians will fight this to the bitter end right up to the polish border and if we continue to fight from poland and poland will become part of the war. this is a catastrophe for nato . nato is catastrophe for nato. nato is not going to survive this experience. it will crumble . experience. it will crumble. that's already happening behind the scenes. and germany of course, sits at the centre of all of this. and the germans have absolutely no interest in a war with russia any more than most of the rest of europe. europeans do . but mollie europeans do. but mollie kingsley, listening to the colonel there , do you feel that colonel there, do you feel that there's a whole massive part of this long and complicated story that we simply haven't been

ianed that we simply haven't been invited to know about? far less to discuss? yeah, absolutely . i to discuss? yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's been, i think, very convey winningly painted as a simple black and white issue that actually it's become very difficult to argue against. you know, zelenskyy good. this hero putin terrible war criminal . putin terrible war criminal. obviously, we're doing this. let's not debate it. let's not talk about it. and i say convenient because it is convenient because it is convenient for all leaders, because it means that they can blame this war for so many of our domestic ills that in fact, had nothing to do with the war. so, you know, if you look in absolute terms at the money spent on lockdown, which has crippled our country , destroyed crippled our country, destroyed our public services and which we all know were near, you know, reclaim that ground than we were a year ago or a year and a half ago that you know, yet it's the war in ukraine and that just doesn't add up. actually, if you look at the sums of money. but it's painting us in black and white alliances. cloak of you

know, obviously it's the right thing to do. it can't be argued against and it's closing down the debate on it. and there needs to be debate because it's playing with all futures. playing with all our futures. callum mcgregor you think we callum mcgregor do you think we are? you think is ? are are? do you think europe is? are we to . i hate to we moving closer to. i hate to say it, but world war three type scenario is are we are we walking without the proper debate and involvement of the populations who upon whom all this would impact being , you this would impact being, you know, being informed and being ianed know, being informed and being invited to have an opinion ? invited to have an opinion? well, there's been no debate in your country or in mine because the ruling elite controls everything they control finance . they control the media and they control the government . so they control the government. so there has been no debate. people have been presented with this false narrative and told, well, we have to go do this because russia presents a great threat. the truth is that there was no threat from russia whatsoever. and these people never bother to point out that the russians initially went very few

initially went in with very few forces in a very restrained manner , and this led people to manner, and this led people to conclude that the russians were weak and incompetent, which of course, was wrong . but they course, was wrong. but they can't have it both ways. if russia is weak and incompetent, it's no threat . today that's it's no threat. today that's been reversed dramatically . and been reversed dramatically. and suddenly russia is regaining its former military power faster than anyone anticipated. and the russian economy is an infinitely better shape than yours. and most of europe's economies. so i think we're we're headed to something. i don't think it's world war three. i think we're going to watch ultimately as europeans remove this ruling class from power across europe and hopefully at some point in your country . and i think we'll your country. and i think we'll see suddenly something similar here because the interests of the people are simply not represented . colonel douglas represented. colonel douglas macgregor , retired. it's such an macgregor, retired. it's such an important conversation. i wish we had longer to spend on it, but thank you so much for your

time this evening and bringing to bear your your experience and your insight. thank you so much . another break is already upon us. after that, i'll be discussing the worrying situation over in east palestine , ohio, with a freight train carrying potentially dangerous lethal chemicals derailed .

hello there and welcome back to nearly all of our life . two nearly all of our life. two weeks ago now , a freight train weeks ago now, a freight train loaded with hazardous chemicals was derailed in the united states state of ohio . around 50 states state of ohio. around 50 cottages were transferred , cottages were transferred, crammed into a partially burning heap of wreckage. officials seeking to deal with the mess choose to deliberately set fire to toxic vinyl chloride , to toxic vinyl chloride, unleashing a black mushroom cloud of poisons that was quickly so vast it could be seen

from space. the whole area of acrid smoke . residents of east acrid smoke. residents of east palestine have reported headaches , irritated eyes and headaches, irritated eyes and breathing problems . there have breathing problems. there have been reports of dead fish in the rivers and the countryside littered with dead wildlife and pets. environmental protection agency staff in the us have sought to reassure residents that risks to health are minimal. but anger is growing. joining me now to contemplate the long term future of east palestine and the wider state of ohio is the hazardous material specialist sel caggiano . good specialist sel caggiano. good evening. so caggiano, thanks for making time for me. evening. so caggiano, thanks for making time for me . thank you making time for me. thank you for having me . tell me. so what for having me. tell me. so what is the latest you can see about the situation for the people in that community of east palestine 7 that community of east palestine ? well, as of last night, that community of east palestine ? well, as of last night , they ? well, as of last night, they the previous night, they attempted to have a meeting with norfolk southern and the people

involved , norfolk southern, who involved, norfolk southern, who is the owner of the railcars , is the owner of the railcars, decided that it was going to be hazardous to their health and welfare to attend this meeting and declined to come . and it and declined to come. and it just it's just another issue in a long string of failed old ideas that are failed promises that these people are undertaking . you know, from the undertaking. you know, from the very , very beginning, they got very, very beginning, they got information. it drips and dribbles and they were told one thing and then they were told something else. and, you know, my thing is, when you have a situation like this, you tell the truth , you tell it first, the truth, you tell it first, you tell it all. and you tell the people what you're going to do. and wasn't forthcoming. and it still isn't . the governor of it still isn't. the governor of the state of ohio has not declared that is a an emergency site yet . however, the site yet. however, the government has decided that they're going to send fema in anyway. and one of the telling

things is they're sending a fema incident management team in there, which should kind of give you a clue what the part of the problem is there. i think there's a lot of entities running around doing things . and running around doing things. and they may or may not be in the interest of the people, but more interest of the people, but more in the interests of norfolk southern. so these people are aggravated and they have the ongoing issues. they're getting skin rashes. there's chickens that are dying . these people are that are dying. these people are worrying, justifiably , that, you worrying, justifiably, that, you know, that's a farm community. are they going to be able to plant you know, are they going to have problems? is their water safe? they've been told the water safe. they were water was safe. then they were told water wasn't safe. then told the water wasn't safe. then they were told to drink bottled water. now they're being water. and now they're being told safe. it told the water is safe. it doesn't build confidence when told the water is safe. it doezhave uild confidence when told the water is safe. it doezhave thoseynfidence when told the water is safe. it doezhave those kindence when told the water is safe. it doezhave those kind ofe when told the water is safe. it doezhave those kind of things you have those kind of things going on. and it started off from the very beginning. one of the got involved the reasons why i got involved in is because weren't in this is because they weren't telling anything . and telling media anything. and the united has what's called united states has what's called a title three. it's a law that

was enacted as basically billed as the chemical right to know and as the media. the media is the people's agency with which they can hold truth to power . they can hold truth to power. and they weren't being told any anything. it became very clear that norfolk southern was controlling this and quite possibly still are. i understand. i understand . so understand. i understand. so it's really not a topping news agendas. in the in the united states is it's not cropping up on national news when viewed from here it looks like it looks like an enormous incident. i mean, i believe the word chernobyl was trending on social media because so many people were were equating what happened in east palestine to chernobyl , in east palestine to chernobyl, which is to say a town that might die . the it's definitely might die. the it's definitely going to be a historic event right up there with . you know, right up there with. you know, love canal and times beach and a lot of the other toxic hazards. one of the things that kind of thrust me into, the

international media and the local media was when i was interviewed, i said that, you know, we look to town to basic , know, we look to town to basic, we get a railroad running and what the catalyst for that was, there's a gentleman i think from darlington , pennsylvania, that darlington, pennsylvania, that had a picture of that gigantic mushroom cloud that you see in there. it it stratify it out and he was videoing it as he was videoing it. there was stuff falling out onto his property. and i'm looking at this and i'm saying, you know, my goodness, this looks like one of those in a nuclear apocalypse winter things where you have fallout coming down and i thought about this as well. yeah yeah, that's what it is. so it just wasn't a nuclear weapon we use chemicals, but we basically the town so that we could hurry up and get a railroad running again which , railroad running again which, you know, is always number one in the rail industry's thoughts is getting the railroad running again , especially now when you again, especially now when you have in time delivery. again, especially now when you have in time delivery . and you have in time delivery. and you

know , they're cutting workers , know, they're cutting workers, they're cutting safety regulations and the cutting of these safety regulations is go back years , probably for it to back years, probably for it to at least four or five administrations in the united states . so bear with me while states. so bear with me while i bnngin states. so bear with me while i bring in my studio guests, greg , it feels as if you know, we're being invited or the citizens of the united states are being ianed the united states are being invited to pay attention to these weather balloons being shot down at great expense . and shot down at great expense. and to look away from the fellow citizens in ohio who are living through a nightmare. yeah it's amazing how it's been ignored by much of the media, surely ignored by washington , by ignored by washington, by president biden. not a word , president biden. not a word, people. the judge who's the secretary of transport. he was talking about, you secretary of transport. he was talking about , you know, secretary of transport. he was talking about, you know, gender equity. and there's too many white men. and in construction crews and racial equity , i mean, crews and racial equity, i mean, there's completely asleep at the wheel on this thing . and so, you wheel on this thing. and so, you know, part of it is that it's in

flyover land , you know, flyover land, you know, so—called flyover land, 70% of the people in that county voted for trump. it's a rust belt town. it's really shown that the devastate nation in towns like that , the railroad before the that, the railroad before the derailment . it's really it's derailment. it's really it's really horrible the way they've ignored east palestine and at least until a few days ago. and finally from the epa showed up who seemed like a an intelligent and hard working guy, michael regan, i think is his name. but pnor regan, i think is his name. but prior to that, nothing from the leadership and it's really shameful. molly, is this another example of people just being disregarding dismissed and the people above just make decisions that don't seem to take into account the real time lives of the people that they're elected to serve. i think it's very interesting, this idea that you have fashionable causes and, you know, things that happen at home, and we see it here as well that just aren't sexy. it's not you know, we don't talk about it. so if you look at going back

to our last conversation, the amount money that the biden administration given to administration has given to ukraine, one third ukraine, that's one third billion. yet they haven't, ukraine, that's one third billi know, yet they haven't, ukraine, that's one third billi know, sent they haven't, ukraine, that's one third billi know, sent femahaven't, ukraine, that's one third billi know, sent fema in ven't, ukraine, that's one third billi know, sent fema in t0|'t, ukraine, that's one third billi know, sent fema in to ohio you know, sent fema in to ohio like this is insane. what about the people at home? and it seems odd that you wouldn't want the spotlight on that until you understand the back story in history of, you know, regulatory capture , which affects the epa, capture, which affects the epa, either , you know, there are either, you know, there are things the federal government presumably wouldn't want coming out about the years of access and lack of oversight . so and lack of oversight. so cutting . a law myself, having cutting. a law myself, having watched this as much as i can and saw as much information as is available , officials were is available, officials were pleading it down very early on. how can there be any possibility of assessing the long term for east palestine ? indeed, for the east palestine? indeed, for the state of ohio until a whole lot more work has been done ? well, i more work has been done? well, i agree with you there. and this is something that i was you

know, kind of crying for , kind know, kind of crying for, kind of like being the voice in the dark, crying about, you know, there's more than just the chemicals that were spilled in my 39 years of dealing with hazardous materials and fire department work, being battalion chief in the city of youngstown, all that stuff, all the case studies that i've seen, i've neven studies that i've seen, i've never, ever seen a rail company decide that they're going to blow up these cars . they blow up these cars. they actually shape charges under these cars to blow them up. and then all the chemicals into a pit to burn it off. i've never seen that. it's just arcane in my mind that they decided do that and they understand they had with these these other containers, there's a possibility that they may be levy and there was also a possibility that they not you know, given the chem the low boiling points of some of the chemicals, you know, i get their concern. but i taking a possibility and turning it into something for sure it may have not been the best move, but let's go back to the you know,

the political leaders there. they're down with this. the governor of ohio is down with this . everybody signed governor of ohio is down with this. everybody signed on governor of ohio is down with this . everybody signed on board this. everybody signed on board said it was a great idea. and they did it. and now everyone's kind of saying, well, you know, that cloud over top of it, that doesn't look like a great. yeah, no it wasn't true when no joke. it wasn't true when they told me they were to they told me they were going to do was like, dumbfounded. do it. i was like, dumbfounded. like what? and they did this. and i'm saying, you're and i'm saying, now you're creating black cloud is creating all that black cloud is nothing incomplete nothing more than incomplete combustion products of everything that was in these containers, plus anything else that burned. so now , instead of that burned. so now, instead of having the by—products of vinyl chloride, butyl acetate or acrylate ethylene hexo accolade ethylene glycol , ammonia, butyl, ethylene glycol, ammonia, butyl, all the other chemicals you now have other chemicals that have been burned and created, dioxins , huron's, formaldehyde . now , huron's, formaldehyde. now that's being spread over that entire mushroom cloud area. and i'm like , you know, my goodness i'm like, you know, my goodness , what are we doing here ? and i , what are we doing here? and i can't help but think this is a

push to get the railroad open. the political leaders decide that this was a good option. probably under assurances of norfolk southern . and, you know, norfolk southern. and, you know, when you're doing that , the fox when you're doing that, the fox guarding the henhouse here and, you know, they decided it was okay. and then after that , the okay. and then after that, the governor never declared state of emergency, said it didn't mean to criteria. fortunately as of yesterday, fema said, you know, the heck with that. we're coming. and like i said, they're bringing instant management team in there. now that should be telling you that they have some concerns with how this incident is fema's is being managed. if fema's sending incident sending in an incident management run the run, management team to run the run, what's going on? so hopefully things may get better, but long term, i think you're dealing with widespread contamination of the land. everybody know that has asked. i said, you know , get has asked. i said, you know, get baseline medical physical. if you're on if you're on well water, have a baseline test of your well water. get some soil

sampling. if you're doing farming, you know, keep yourself safe , clean everything and, you safe, clean everything and, you know, try to make this through. but for the people in these palestine, even if they could clean everything up 100, they're going to be a victim of some form of eco terrorism where who would want to go live there? you want to leave, you want to sell your house? who's going to buy it? this town might end up being a right sell. caggiano it's such a right sell. caggiano it's such a shocking story. i hope, for what it's worth, i hope you do get the sense of how how shocked and appalled we are at this distance, looking at it. and so are thoughts very much for the people of palestine. wish all the for your time this the thank you for your time this evening. after the break, the government has decided the deaths of thousands of sea creatures off the northeast coast of england require no further investigate . we'll speak further investigate. we'll speak to one of the many fishermen impacted by the mass die off .

hello and welcome back . now, hello and welcome back. now, a few weeks ago, new life, we spoke to fishermen along england's northeast coast whose livelihoods had been destroyed by a mass die off of crabs and lobster and other shellfish . lobster and other shellfish. official explanations . the official explanations. the disaster which started unfolding in late 2021, ranged from poisonous algal bloom to an outbreak of a new disease . but outbreak of a new disease. but fishermen who've lost everything in the aftermath claimed the was done by dredging of the seabed , done by dredging of the seabed, releasing buried toxins from the coal mining industry. now the government has announced there will be no further investigation to explain what caused beaches by hartlepool redcar and whitby to be piled with and dying shellfish fishermen due red fern joins me now. good evening, juua joins me now. good evening, julia there . and good evening .

julia there. and good evening. good to see you again . so sorry good to see you again. so sorry about the circumstances in which it happens. when did you get this this news of no more inquiry? and what was your reaction . yeah. so we saw reaction. yeah. so we saw theresa coffey's letter when it came out last friday and, you know, it's really disappointing. it was it was shocking to say we feel completely let down by the letter and by the government. and there's going to be no action, no further investigations, no further sampling and no support whatsoever for anybody impacted by the mass mortalities on here . the impact , by the mass mortalities on here . the impact, you by the mass mortalities on here . the impact , you know. just . the impact, you know. just describe, again, the extent to which people like yourself, fishermen like yourself, have been affected. what's the reality ? well, i'm a marine reality? well, i'm a marine biologist in the region, and i represent a lot of the fishermen around here. so there's a lot of people that have been far worse impacted by the me who have their own boats. the first round

with dredging impacted the inshore fleet, so they fish generally between zero and three miles out to sea. and that was really drastic impact in 2021. and throughout 2020 to and you were talking about 95% down in catch rates . lots of boats going catch rates. lots of boats going up for sale , lots of people up for sale, lots of people losing that crew , not being able losing that crew, not being able to pay the bills , make ends meet to pay the bills, make ends meet . and what's happened over the last couple of weeks, is it is a new round of dredging which is now dumping further out to sea. so the six mile dumping grounds and that started to impact a different fishery . that's the different fishery. that's the prawn trawling, trawling fishery. and that was with some of the fishermen on thursday this week. and they just reported reported a very similar sorry state of affairs that we experienced in 2021 where there's just nothing to catch there's just nothing to catch the going out there and not even

covering their fuel. and, you know, a lot of these guys are at rock bottom and just see no for . hope the fishery in the future . now, this this dredging and the dumping of the of the spoil you're talking about, this is the this for the freeport this you know, this major development that's going on. do you feel that's going on. do you feel that your industry or do you or the fishermen feel that the industry has just been sacrificed , that, you know, it's sacrificed, that, you know, it's been a well, that's been a price to and then we go and move to pay and then we go and move on. exactly that. yeah. yeah to be clear, the first round of dredging in october 2021 wasn't dredging in october 2021wasn't directly linked to the freeport, although there was a lot of regeneration works going on in the port. demolition works to make way for the freeport removal of piles and then a big dredging operation in to the use channel and this time around this year that's going on still going on now is a huge dredging dredging operation directly unked dredging operation directly linked to the freeport . and as

linked to the freeport. and as soon as they start dredging it was almost like a light switch. as soon as they were dumping it out. see the that saw the impact to the fishery straight away. so it's a real drastic impact and we do feel like the industry , we do feel like the industry, the fishing industry in the long history and heritage that goes with that has been sacrificed to make way for the freeport . is make way for the freeport. is there any talk of any help for there any talk of any help for the fishermen is up. well compensation for start or any help to get people back on their feet or find an alternative not. not after theresa coffey's you know we've we've shown strength through our communities and stuck and create our own groups and had support from the regional universities and some of the charities around the country they have helped us to get our own invested nations and help to with some hardship funds for those most impacted. but the government has really let us

down and that goes all the way from the local fisheries is the effect of all the way through the mmo right up to defra, we feel like there's nobody has got our backs in this and there's nobody to giving us any support. kingsley it feels again like the theme of the show . it's just theme of the show. it's just people who's every day lives are all that matters to them understandably. i'll completely overlook by something much bigger above them that trundles on like a joke. and it's just big government to go and hasn't had its decisions taken without reference to the people and the places they're going to hurt. and think really angers and i think what really angers me hearing this and, you me about hearing this and, you know, been in know, we've been here in a different but it's different context, but it's where is the accountability? where is chance , vibrancy, where is the chance, vibrancy, and are people left to do and what are people left to do when there is harm ? like, people when there is harm? like, people shouldn't be in this position of being david against this being the david against this huge state goliath, that you can never fight because you never know, you they will accept know, you know, they will accept responsibility. never responsibility. you will never get access to the decisions . and get access to the decisions. and it be like that. there

it shouldn't be like that. there needs if we're needs to be equity. if we're serious about equity, it starts with lives like this. with individual lives like this. ju just last question for you. letter of no letter saying that the inquiry is over. well, is there stomach for the there still stomach for the fight are fishermen and fight or are fishermen and others determined to fight on? and how? yes, definitely. you know, and we've grateful for all the support we've had from everybody, you in the everybody, you know, in the region nationally have everybody, you know, in the regi0|donatingionally have everybody, you know, in the regi0|donating to ally have everybody, you know, in the regi0|donating to crowdfund ave everybody, you know, in the regi0|donating to crowdfund us been donating to crowdfund us and pages too, to raise money to continue to get our own investigations done. and, you know, when , where we need it to know, when, where we need it to help out the fishermen that have been most impacted . but our main been most impacted. but our main aim at the moment is to continue to get the samples that we to continue to get the evidence and to continue to support the regional universities so we can try and identify things. i'm going to i'm going to jump in there, joe, because i'm just running out of time. but we will be keeping an eye on story. be keeping an eye on this story. stay in touch with us please. thank you for your time this evening. it's coming to evening. it's coming up to 7:00. this neil. of a live on

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discuss the bolt of lightning, which struck the christ the redeemer brazil. plus, redeemer statue in brazil. plus, plenty more from my lovely panel plenty more from my lovely panel. well, it kingsley and greg swensen. first, of course an update on latest news an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . neal, from tatiana sanchez. neal, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, the uk says it's ready to support countries which can provide fighter jets to ukraine. countries which can provide fighterjets to ukraine. the prime minister made the commitment after addressing the munich security conference where he urged world leaders to act now and double on military support. rishi sunak said the west responds to russia hasn't been strong enough and to win the war. ukraine needs more artillery, armoured vehicles and air defence. i've done is say to all allies that we stand ready to support them if they can provide fighter jets to ukraine now and for our part, we're also leading the world in training

ukrainian pilots on nato's standard aircraft. that's the right thing to do because this is about giving ukraine the means to defend themselves and win about more win this war. that's about more air defence. it's about armoured vehicles. it's about long—range weapons. the uk is out in front in all of these things and it's important that we continue do important that we continue to do so because we all want so and lead because we all want to ukraine succeed . the to see ukraine succeed. the prime also said a deal prime minister also said a deal with the european union on fixing issues with the northern ireland protocol is by no means done. rishi sunak held talks with the european commission president, ursula von der leyen , on the sidelines of the summit , described as a positive discuss . the leaders said discuss. the leaders said intense work was still needed at official and ministerial levels and they agreed to remaining close contacts over the coming days. close contacts over the coming days . i'm working very hard days. i'm working very hard together . my days. i'm working very hard together. my ministerial colleagues, foreign secretaries in the audience, secretary of state for ireland. we are working very closely together. we are engaging in those conversations with the european union next week , potential all union next week, potential all the time. and we have been for a

while. but what i'd say is there is still work to do. i think there is still work to do. there are still challenges to work through. we have not resolved all these issues. no, there isn't. isn't a deal that isn't. there isn't a deal that has been done. the death toll nearly two weeks after the turkish earthquake has climbed to more than 46,000. former premier league footballer christian atsu is among the lives lost. his agent confirming his body was found under the rubble of his home. rescue efforts are continuing this morning. the child was among three people saved. 296 hours after the first quake hit . and after the first quake hit. and one of the uk's richest people , one of the uk's richest people, sir jim ratcliffe, has confirmed sirjim ratcliffe, has confirmed his company, ineos, has joined the race to buy manchester united . it's competing with united. it's competing with sheikh waseem bin hamad al—thani , the chairman of one of qatar's biggest banks, to acquire the club from the glazer family. sir

jim says he wants to make manchester united the number one club in the world again . tv club in the world again. tv online and dab plus radio with gb news. now it's back to . gb news. now it's back to. neil thank you for all that. tatyana welcome back to neil. all of our life . every week we pay life. every week we pay attention to those who manage to make the world a better place by putting the needs of others before our own. my great britain's tonight on nothing less having less than life savers having risked their own safety to go to the aid of a drowning girl. twins jonathan and christopher easton were playing football in south ayrshire in scotland when they spotted the youngster walking into the sea . they join walking into the sea. they join me now to describe what happened . next. hello, both thanks for joining me . thanks for having us

joining me. thanks for having us on. no great. it's a treat to. lift the lift the evening by heanng lift the lift the evening by hearing from people who have actually done something so positive . when did you realise positive. when did you realise that, dee, that there was something wrong? i understand you were just playing football . you were just playing football. yeah. somewhere down the beach, playing some football for friends. and we just saw a young girl fully clothed, walking along the beach , which at first along the beach, which at first we didn't think anything of it. it was a warm summer's night, so it was unusual. it was a warm summer's night, so it was unusual . and then, in it was unusual. and then, in short, quite a stretch and started to walk into the water and start to get farther out . so and start to get farther out. so we started to walk down to the beach to see what was happening. we met with two other girls who were standing at the beach. we thought perhaps our friends. and when we got closer and we realised the girl was in trouble, so we stripped off our clothes and began to swim out to the we. we saw the girl and we somehow and a girl just

disappeared underwater. so we started to swim through the last her and thankfully when we go to roughly 200 metres over the sea and the girl appeared to park in the surface of the water, but she was unconscious . so we she was unconscious. so we grabbed her and began swimming back to shore . we were then held back to shore. we were then held with our friends to pull her onto shore , and by the end the onto shore, and by the end the coastguard, it arrived and they took over and thankfully the girl in recovery possessions in an open airway and she regained consciousness and started to communicate with us. and did you find out what it was? did you find out what it was? did you find the girls story? well, it caused us to do what she did that day . we all believe she that day. we all believe she does happen to. unfortunately with some mental health issues and didn't know how to make sense. and i do believe that she has a definitely getting better and getting the help that she obviously didn't wanted . and had obviously didn't wanted. and had either of you had previous experience of, you know , the experience of, you know, the kind of things that you're

supposed to know, how do when it comes to, you know, life saving in the water? did you know cpr and did you have an idea about what immediately to for the what immediately to do for the best? and to be honest, we didn't have any previous experience of cpr or anything like that. so it just i think and the moment the adrenaline took over in terms of it going out to the sea and something and then go back to then thankfully let go back to shore, one our friends is on shore, one of our friends is on shore, one of our friends is on shore is actually was training to be our doctor so he managed to be our doctor so he managed to take over an open area. rosebank so i'm glad he was there and understand you've just received an award . you've been received an award. you've been specifically highlighted for your actions that day. tell me about that. yeah. so last week here in base up to tilly island college , which is police college, which is police scotland's training facility and also headquarters open pass and. so the chief constable there are nominated for chief constable bravery and excellence award , bravery and excellence award, which is a mixture between

civilian john cleese staff. they can get nominated for this award . so we went up on friday and then thankfully were lucky enough to awarded this honour by the chief constable. so it was a great day and it was also great to hear all the other stories of bravery throughout scotland. what did what did your family see when you came home on the night of the rescue? what did they what was the reaction when you came home soaking wet or however presented yourself ? however you presented yourself? mum dad were both in bed mum and dad were both in bed actually, so red to wake them up. so chaps in the door, i think they're both so fast asleep. i my first words were just i've been into the sea. so i think mum strung up into action. and it was panicking, asking what was wrong. but yeah, they were both really proud of it and thankfully managed to help the girl and also that we were okay. so yeah, they're both grateful we're . yeah. molly it's grateful we're. yeah. molly it's a relief to hear like this, isn't it? just to lift your reassure you the continuing

quality , the human spirit. it quality, the human spirit. it really is. you need to be reminded that humanity is good. and i do think. humanity is fundamentally good and it's a shame that so much the media shame that so much of the media and press focuses on the and the press focuses on the negative. lovely . see a negative. and it's lovely. see a story this, actually. story like this, actually. i mean, said at the top of mean, like i said at the top of the show, we are are wonderful creatures. oh, absolutely. especially we're given the especially we're given the especially if we're given the opportunity, especially , you opportunity, especially, you know, first responders. and chris and jonathan are great examples and police policemen and are great. and they do and women are great. and they do and women are great. and they do a great job. my grandfather was a great job. my grandfather was a new york city policeman, so i'm happy to see stories i'm always happy to see stories like this where, you know , they like this where, you know, they are truly heroes and it's really great to see. yeah. and it's and great to see. yeah. and it's and great to see they were rewarded award i think chris and award for i think chris and jonathan i think you're your connection his dropped out connection to his dropped out momentarily believe you're momentarily but i believe you're back i good good to back. yeah yeah i good good to see you. and whose company did you find yourselves when you got the award? you know who else was getting commendations of similar sort of . we're amongst them or a

sort of. we're amongst them or a police officer to been first and quite by idealism. we're also joined by a young boy only two years old, who had his mother taken out on a phone. the police and is the only thing he said was my mum sleeping and can't wake up but to get the right emergency services and eventually managed to get the moment she made a full recovery so it's really amazing to see natalie's story at such a young age, to be able to do something as incredible. and chris, good to be in company that. good to hear stories i'm sure for you because we all live we're living these uncertain anxiety laden times and it must have been good to be in company with people who'd been able to and had done, you know, give an important service to that to their fellow man . yeah, he says, really ? i man. yeah, he says, really? i hoping to get a few of these stories and restored your faith in humanity to know that people are there and you'll go through heroic things as required. but

yeah, it's a great honour to be there. like my brother said. and yeah, i was interesting as well with the heat, although our stories especially by two years old with the pick up the phone and call the ambulance, that's quite something . it's great quite something. it's great stuff to hear from you both. jonathan and christopher easton. you're definitely great britain's great example. i'm so that you were recognised and you had that day in the sun, as it were , and delighted you were were, and delighted you were able to join me this evening. thank you . it's another break thank you. it's another break now, after which i'll the people who wrote the upcoming short film a day with anxiety which is the second film, look at mental health in a satirical see issue

on mark dolan tonight, we kick off a date with the people's hourin off a date with the people's hour in which i take your video calls. the big stories of the day after nine. in my big opinion, the scandal of the

cricket authorities letting an aduu cricket authorities letting an adult biological man identify england's female play against 12 year old girls sometimes i think the west deserves fall it might take it ten woke idiots are rewriting the classic works of roald dahl in a story that even he couldn't up class. top us kinsey schofield miles to our panel and tomorrow's papers series . series. welcome back. some emails come in from comments from earlier in the show. ash says people are indeed a wonder. we're also powerful and many need to wake up and realise that power. we must harness all of that collective power to resist the future. that the powers that be would have in store for us. we are free, powerful, wondrous beings who deserve better. and we must stand up and claim what is ours, not theirs. took the

words right out of my mouth. and joan asks , you never tell the joan asks, you never tell the people what can do about it. i wonder why. 100% sure. what you're getting out there, joan. but i wouldn't just say that part of being wonderful , part of being wonderful, powerful creatures is i think we have to make our own decisions about what we should doing. you know, we can we can i can we can inform and can put ideas out there. but i think it's up to each and every one of us to come up with our own ideas about how to best fight back and reclaim what lost. but as i see, what we've lost. but as i see, i'm not sure what you're i'm not quite sure what you're getting there, john. getting at there, john. anyway, moving next this moving on, my next guests this evening have a film to evening have made a film to inspire a greater understanding of the perennial debilitate of the perennial and debilitate problem anxiety . anxiety problem of anxiety. anxiety bleats ? the lives of goodness bleats? the lives of goodness knows hundreds of millions of people worldwide . i sometimes people worldwide. i sometimes think being anxious is part of the human condition and that we all suffer with it from time to time. but hopes are high that . time. but hopes are high that. the 20 minute film, due to feature the cannes film festival and tipped for bafta success,

will debate and will stimulate debate and conversation about the topic . conversation about the topic. the film is in the final edit, but the first production by the same writers deal with ocd was widely praised. let's have a look. perhaps many foods of the same colour. bet the colour won't be on my plate tomorrow. hell no. i had way too many greens yesterday so i'll be sticking to my yellows today . sticking to my yellows today. you see, not everyone around me gets. some people think i'm just weird or a little bit autistic . weird or a little bit autistic. my dad thinks i'm gay. weird or a little bit autistic. my dad thinks i'm gay . yeah, i my dad thinks i'm gay. yeah, i told him i had ocd and he thought i meant lgbt. told him i had ocd and he thought i meant lgbt . we go just thought i meant lgbt. we go just a taste. single mum, lily bailey and actress sam clearly co—wrote and actress sam clearly co—wrote a short movies as part of a series drawing attention to mental health issues . and they mental health issues. and they join me now. hello both. hi it's the struggle with anxiety close to both of your hearts. yeah, in very different ways, actually actually suffer from ocd . and i actually suffer from ocd. and i found that ocd is very driven by

anxiety and kd being ocd obsessive compulsive disorder. yes and i find anxiety within that it's kind of the glue that holds it together. whereas you have. yeah so my mind is sort of generalised anxiety. so like for example, i overthink everything. so if i've got coming up my mind , give me a thousand different scenario of what possibly go wrong in that, in that moment. yeah it's highly unlikely that anything would go wrong, but my mind would always tell me what if this happens ? or what if that if this happens? or what if that happens? how did you come together as a as a writing partnership ? so i was heavily partnership? so i was heavily involved . the first one on the involved. the first one on the production side , sam was the production side, sam was the co—writer of the first one, and where decided that we wanted to make more of them . you asked if make more of them. you asked if i would like to takeover it and obviously suffering with anxiety myself, it was sort of i already knew sam was a really incredibly

talented writer , so it was a no talented writer, so it was a no brainer for me. yeah ocd , does brainer for me. yeah ocd, does that manifest what? do you find yourself doing ? so mine's very yourself doing? so mine's very a there's a massive myth that it's just cleaning and organising things like that. a lot of minds around food actually and colours matching and it's a very visual kind of thing and things touching and things like that which is why in the first one we, we wanted to show how it can manifest itself in different ways . so yeah, my ocd isn't what ways. so yeah, my ocd isn't what a lot of people think it is quite surprised when i say what it is. so it's definitely ocd is definitely a mind filled and said yeah. and that's what kind of want to do different series. yeah i think that's why we wanted what, we wanted to show the anxiety one wasn't it. i mean a of people look at mental health and assume that they are so typical of certain. yeah so yes and things and we wanted to

kind of highlight that there are other symptoms. not just other symptoms. it's not just always the typical symptom i'm showing people. and do you find that you see, do you find your stops you doing things . yeah. so stops you doing things. yeah. so ihave stops you doing things. yeah. so i have to really fight like to not comment on here states is quite nerve wracking so my mind's has been going in overdrive but sometimes you just have to plough through because otherwise it can stop you doing normal life things. i think you have to have a certain amount of what we call anxiety . i mean what we call anxiety. i mean obviously it can become debilitating if it reaches a certain pitch , but i think certain pitch, but i think being, you know, using it when you've got something to do and you've got something to do and you and you start running through scenarios, i mean, to some extent, i think that's like say something good about because that want to go that means you want it to go yeah. you want to make well. yeah. and you want to make sure you've it sure that you've thought it through and, that you've and through and, and that you've and that the bases. that you've covered the bases. yeah a point i don't yeah you know to a point i don't think you should, we should be ourselves up too much of some anxiety. think it's

anxiety. but yeah, i think it's part being anxious to give part of being anxious to give a best of ourselves . yeah, i best of ourselves. yeah, no, i totally agree . and i was totally agree. and i was explaining again with ocd to my friend. no, it's not a good thing you're organised or thing that you're organised or your your kind of prepping stuff and nice and neat and but and things nice and neat and but i think when it goes over that kind level of being too much kind of level of being too much like with anxiety, it's exhausting . it can really exhausting. it can be really exhausting, which is what we wanted to get across. do you find at that through the find at all that through the process and making process of writing and making these , it you? these films, does it help you? is that therapy in it where is that a therapy in it where you're confronting almost objectively ? i think so. and objectively? i think so. and i think it also where we're highlighting it's awareness for people , us. so if we have traits people, us. so if we have traits and we do little things that, for example, if somebody takes me, i might not take them for a month. that's not me. they may. that's my social anxiety. i can't cope that it's overwhelming. so i'll text you back when i'm okay . but people back when i'm okay. but people will look at that and be well. she's oh yeah . so she's rude. oh yeah. so highlighting little things like that around.

that just keeps people around. people that do suffer little people that do suffer a little bit more . education may be bit more. education may be sometimes it's not as simple as , it seems. and i saw in the notes , obviously, as you see the notes, obviously, as you see the films in the final edit so we couldn't actually see this one. but you've taken a satirical approach. yeah, what does that what does that mean in practise what have you done there? so we wanted to kind of laugh in the face of adversity in a certain way to kind of it's okay to laugh sometimes these bad situations, obviously not all the time . and i feel like just the time. and i feel like just laughing you through it breaks the stigma a little bit. and yeah, we wanted to do something a little bit different that would keep all kind of viewers attention, but also laugh ourselves sometimes because we don't do that so much anymore and it seems is very serious subject. yeah, a lot of things, a lot of programmes, a lot of documentaries on mental health is quite dark. so we wanted to kind of sort of lift it up a

little bit with the comedy element . i mean, it can be a element. i mean, it can be a little bit controversial because. yeah, yeah . but yeah, i because. yeah, yeah. but yeah, i think that's why we took the satirical. yeah we did have some kind of worries from various people when, when we first said we're going to do a satirical look, they were like , what are look, they were like, what are you doing? and then they , they you doing? and then they, they obviously watched it and they were like, no, we kind of get we get what you're doing now. and it was they it and. they it was they enjoyed it and. they laughed, cried. it laughed, but they cried. and it was so emotions. but it was was so many emotions. but it was it was just different. i think your saw this involved your mum saw this involved in the well. that right. the project as well. that right. yeah. mum's the scope reducer yeah. so mum's the scope reducer but she's written many books on mental illness and we kind of use point use them as a, as a point of research and each kind of book will do a film on so. she's done anxiety eating disorders and various ones . we definitely get various ones. we definitely get our knowledge mum as well as our own experience , do have wondered own experience, do have wondered for a long time if increasing anxiety is isn't just . not

anxiety is isn't just. not a consequence of how complicated and fast evolving we've made our lives . you know, it feels like lives. you know, it feels like every day there's something new technology or another twist or a quirk that's added into the so that you never really feel as if right , this is what i'm dealing right, this is what i'm dealing with. yeah we live in a very fast moving yeah. world, and it's , it breeds anxiety. yeah it's, it breeds anxiety. yeah i don't think, i think technologies moved on further then, then as humans we can, we can kind of take, we have no time to just downtime of quiet which is why i mean i'm really bad at texting as well. yeah. sometimes just want to sit in a room and just be quiet. but it's just that the time i don't think we can keep up with it. it's moving so quickly . i mean, i moving so quickly. i mean, i know i'm not alone in observing this, but was on the i was travelling here, i travel down here on a on a friday and so i'm on a train platforms and tube trains and every person is just watching the phone . everyone

watching the phone. everyone adopts the same posture, you know, in a cheap car. and, you know, in a cheap car. and, you know, everyone's just doing that . and you can be sure that a lot of people are being that anxiety is just being ramped up by whatever is the reading text whatsapps social media. you just know that most of the stuff they've got access to in those screens is not helping the general. yeah, wellbeing. yeah. whole 100. yeah. i think a lot of a lot of it comes from as well from comparisons. you see a lot of stuff on social media now and you feel like you have to fit in a certain box too to be human. if you get what i mean. so yeah i think that does add a lot of pressure on people now and very much on the upside know talk of can and baftas. that's that's positive you must be you must be thrilled about the you know the opportunities that all of that presents. oh it's a bit crazy really . yeah. yeah. it's crazy really. yeah. yeah. it's not. we didn't for one second expect it to sort of go as crazy

as it has done . the, the as it has done. the, the objective of it in the first place was to just educate people and highlight it. but yeah, it's sort of gone into a different direction than what we expected it to, but we'll take it. yeah that's a unifying topic. it to, but we'll take it. yeah that's a unifying topic . yeah. that's a unifying topic. yeah. as soon as you come in and, you anxiety, i thought, well i can, i can definitely engage with that. i get it. i am anxious at various points of day, you know, it's just a part of my life. and so i think it's something that we can common ground with and it remains as you know we're all just the same human animals. yeah. to the yeah. and we're subject to the same and stresses. same pressures and stresses. lily sam, thank you so much lily and sam, thank you so much for thank you. it's for coming in. thank you. it's been good and. all the been really good and. all the very best of success with. the film. thank you. and the film. thank you. and after the break, i'll be meeting the archaeologist who has just discovered largest dinosaur discovered the largest dinosaur footprint found in footprint ever found in yorkshire. there's a of yorkshire. there's a change of topic. go away .

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politicians every sunday at 6 pm. moving on. and a giant p.m. moving on. and a giant carnival dinosaur made quite an impression on the yorkshire coast. all of, let's say, 170 million years ago , the footprint million years ago, the footprint left behind measures more than three feet in length and is the largest found. so on the county's famous jurassic dinosaur coast. county's famous jurassic dinosaur coast . archaeologist dinosaur coast. archaeologist marie woods, who made the discovery me now you lucky devil. marie i'm extremely envious envious . what sort of envious envious. what sort of what sort of dinosaur are we talking about ? what sort of dinosaur are we talking about? i'm so. it's a megalith source type , which is megalith source type, which is a large surplus meat eating dinosaur. and huge . yeah. i'm dinosaur. and huge. yeah. i'm not going to try. dinosaur. and huge. yeah. i'm not going to try . pretend to not going to try. pretend to know all about as it's quite obviously not my area . the kind obviously not my area. the kind of the kind of creature that was pursuing the stars of jurassic

park, the movies. yes. yes. if we're going to go that up on up on two legs running around at speed, one of those. yes. well, as a fashion and this one's quite an interesting . and dr. quite an interesting. and dr. dean lomax, dr. mike romano and john hudson have studying this over the last year with various emails back and forth trips to the museum in. scarborough where it's currently in care and they've actually come across some really interesting information about it. it's a behaviour that there isn't more that hasn't yet been seen in any of the prints and of this kind or of this size and the dinosaurs exhibiting a resting behaviour which is, like i said, quite unusual. behaviour which is, like i said, quite unusual . and this is it's quite unusual. and this is it's the of the heel as pressed down

so far into the mud and that's an area that apparently hasn't been seen on some of the fossils of this type. i've been able to say it's been resting or just squatting . maybe then the squatting. maybe then the dinosaurs, being the ancestors birds, maybe it was kind of, you know, roosting down, you know, just just just settled on the ground . talk us through the ground. talk us through the moment of discovery or just looking at images there of the of the present, which, to be quite frank , looks like quite frank, looks like something that's being looked like something been created. it doesn't look course it doesn't look real. of course it is. was it was it part of is. but was it was it part of the bedrock or was an eye on a separated boulder. and so you can see from that from the video that's just coming through that there are several large blocks that have come as well. so berns, stand by and quite a lot of the yorkshire coast is notorious for cliff falls . we notorious for cliff falls. we get a lot of erosion throughout the year and especially in winter . so it's not uncommon to winter. so it's not uncommon to kind of across these large blocks , but obviously not not

blocks, but obviously not not with a giant print like this . with a giant print like this. and the interesting thing as well is that although credited for the reed discovery and the initial find was actually a guy called rob taylor and he came across it in the november of 2020 because of the high seas and kind of the stormy that we had over the winter . it exposed had over the winter. it exposed it further so that when i came across it in the april, it was completely exposed. it was shared in smaller circle. and i think the full extent of can the scientific importance behind this print wasn't fully acknowledged until i came across it in the greg. it's quite something i. don't think i never get over the excitement. the thrill of seeing something like that and hearing that it's 170 that and hearing that it's170 million years old. yeah, that's what that's what threw me was just the age, you know, i'm thinking a few million. i believe that. but 170 million, it just it reminds you of how

short lived we are in the human race. must have been it just an amazing, exciting time for a scientist to make that kind of discovery. that doesn't happen every every week. what do you think . well, the thought of think. well, the thought of walking along a beach and encountering something , evidence encountering something, evidence of a whole other epoch in the history of the planet. it's very humbling. so we i've actually seen one on a holiday in utah and it wasn't protected. so you could get right up to it. it wasn't three metres, so it was much smaller. but i've got a photo , i think it was my eldest photo, i think it was my eldest daughter's within this kind of, you know, engraved prints and it was just one of the most humbling experiences of my life actually, because you say it's from it's so, so, so long ago and yet there connection. and yet there is a connection. mm just incredible. yeah. mari, where we are was talking about it being in yorkshire obviously, because that's where you found . because that's where you found. but yorkshire wouldn't have been where it is now with a 170

million years ago, it's , it's so million years ago, it's, it's so it's all part of the long journey of the of the rock that eventually makes up britain and northern europe, isn't it . yeah. northern europe, isn't it. yeah. so where this particular bed is and i mean it's known locally as the bernstein footprint , but the bernstein footprint, but further up the coastline you've actually got dogger bank as well. you can see the formation of that and in certain areas where you can actually safely make it down onto the beach . make it down onto the beach. dogger bank is still visible there . and yeah, i think the there. and yeah, i think the area where this was and from all the scientific and research it's going into, it's come from what might have been a riverbed rather than the sea or , any kind rather than the sea or, any kind of coastal plain . so that's been of coastal plain. so that's been quite interesting to find out as well. and it just kind of formulates that story about, you know, what's been one part of a larger landmass i think what affects me more than anything

else is the that that footprint is evidence of a single moment in a single you know we about we bandy about expressions like 170 million years ago. you know , as million years ago. you know, as though we can begin to conceive of that even means but even more intense and evocative somehow is the sense that that footprint was made in a moment, you know, that animal put its foot on that soft sediment and then lifted and and disappeared over and went on and disappeared over the into history and get to the hill into history and get to see like a photograph of a moment, 170 million years ago . moment, 170 million years ago. well, it's incredible . i mean, well, it's incredible. i mean, you know, if we kind of liken it to , you know, some of the human to, you know, some of the human footprints that have been left behind, you know, in other coastal areas around the uk you know, i think for me as an archaeologist, it's not too dissimilar to thinking of it in those terms, even though they were created hundreds were probably created hundreds of years ago in of thousands of years ago in sort millions. but and it is sort of millions. but and it is just that fantastic of that moment in time. just that fantastic of that moment in time . yeah. yeah, it's moment in time. yeah. yeah, it's interesting. you mentioned the human footprints of dino and

have seen the recording of some of the fresh footprints and gold cliff in south wales and that's have you have you seen those because those are colleagues . i because those are colleagues. i know who worked on those because those are dinosaur footprints offset by a process that had been turned into stone . but the been turned into stone. but the footprints, the human footprints like 8000 years ago, that they find it both are just the same. soft footprints that they were when they were made thousand years ago. and also hillsborough and norfolk and a few years ago in a decade or so ago, there was a cliff fall and an area of ground was exposed . it was ground was exposed. it was 950,000 years old. footprints left by don't want to say and again soft soft as the it made the moment it was made these is mindblowing really know to think that these things you know we can across and find them and i you know i think as excited i was about this footprint i think to find a human footprint to be

more of my street really growing. there's really no surprises, though, that the ole all kids, myself included, you through a period of dinosaur awareness, complete obsession . i awareness, complete obsession. i think every boy in america grew up obsessed and dinosaur and girls and still do. you still do ? my son is same. same do i mean. yeah, it's just it's just an exciting part of developing their imagination . and it's their imagination. and it's really fascinating. is idea of opening their eyes to the idea isn't it molly, that the world used to be a very, very place and has been over and over again exactly . and that we are so exactly. and that we are so transient , you know, and yet all transient, you know, and yet all impact actually is increasingly not transient on the earth, as you know something i think that memory is that is that footprint on display somewhere ? well it on display somewhere? well it will eventually be somewhere that the general population can go and see it . yeah. so the week go and see it. yeah. so the week after was recovered, it was donated jointly by myself and

rob taylor to scour museums and galleries . and that is going to galleries. and that is going to be a series of conservation works happening over the next couple of months with the i crossed the hope that it will go on display as part of fossil festival in june . fantastic festival in june. fantastic archaeologist mary woods. it's been an absolute pleasure to talk to you about that. i hope you can sense an excitement even studio about that discovery . studio about that discovery. thank you for bringing it to us. now it's another break after which we'll learn more about the amazing movement when lightning struck christ the redeemer struck the christ the redeemer monument in rio. dijana peru. in brazil last week .

i that's me. welcome everyone. a photographer captured moment earlier this month when lightning struck the inspiring christ the redeemer monument in rio de janeiro in brazil. the

iconic . 125 foot tall statues iconic. 125 foot tall statues location on the summit of corcovado mountain makes it a target lightning and so snapper fernando braga lay in wait dunng fernando braga lay in wait during a likely weather to capture the image. look at that. that's just otherworldly . i that's just otherworldly. i would say that's that looks deliberate, doesn't it? rather a chance event that leads someone prepared for that . joining me prepared for that. joining me now is jim dale , senior risk now is jim dale, senior risk meteorologist with the british weather service. thanks good evening. coming in again. it's always good. there are so many unlike areas we can get for talking about the weather. yeah true or not, it's absolutely true. i've even wrote the book about all the impacts. all the impacts of the weather in various ways. and there is a chapter in the about historic times, near soviet times and how how that's how in all its forms of the sun the moon , not so much of the sun the moon, not so much the weather lightning that we're

going to touch on are all with kind of the golds of the time, if that makes sense. it wasn't a being as such. well you have to think i find lightning strikes for our 21st century world where we know what they are. we know all the signs of it are. that's all the signs of it are. that's a that's pretty breathtaking any time, especially for lightning when you see it make contact. what must have meant to people who left to wonder without who were left to wonder without science what an earth was going on? yeah i said, it's that god it's something that they would have , i believe , a belief that have, i believe, a belief that some of the structures that you yourself have gone and visited in your time, the pyramids and the mega temples. temples i think there's a connection between many of those and lightning per se. in other words, it was there god, their way of thinking an untouchable, if you like , power the even now, if you like, power the even now, even nowadays we can't harness we can't we can't touch it is

the governor and not sure if that makes sense a bit like tornadoes and other things, but. but lightning is right at the top of it. i suppose as well. when it comes to see cathedrals of churches with tall spires , it of churches with tall spires, it wouldn't have gone unnoticed for the people who built those tall structures. they attracted lightning that must have that may well have been significant . may well have been significant. a good, good reason . if you a good, good reason. if you think about pyramids, for example the pinnacle at the top , it may well be they wanted to attract that god. they wanted to attract that god. they wanted to attract the lightning to that point of to not necessarily possess but to talk , to be be possess but to talk, to be be not so the zone rather than , you not so the zone rather than, you know, just let it so important in terms of you know, in prehistoric times they thought at times the weather was the drive for these people's life and death. you know, you go through a bad season and you've got a lot of people dying for the, you know, the crops not growing. thing. so growing. and that type thing. so i throughout history, the i think throughout history, the romans, the greeks, the loukas,

for is is a name and for example, is a is a name and it's a bringer of light. after a thunderstorm . so that is a good thunderstorm. so that is a good example of that one. but right. so i'm a big believer in, in weather per say affecting not just what we do today because it doesin just what we do today because it does in so, so, so many ways. and it's probably underscored, but certainly in the past when people's connection with the nature and, what was going on in the atmosphere was that more apparent? well it's hard not to be affected in some way by image, isn't it? i mean, it's loaded with symbolism and all that huge statue of jesus christ . and then the and the lightning making contact . yeah, well, it's making contact. yeah, well, it's incredible. and it's if you've ever seen lightning , lightning, ever seen lightning, lightning, as you say, strike, it's and only seen it once actually. but a very small tree. it's impossible not to be shaken actually by the noise as well . actually by the noise as well. makes a huge noise as crack isn't there but yeah you read we bringing stories to random events you know think ultimately

it's good i don't know what you mean if i looked at that and was immediately reminded the, you know, the sistine chapel, you know, the sistine chapel, you know, the sistine chapel, you know, the golden you know, know, the golden atom, you know, the nuns the fingers coming closer you're closer together and you're expecting it it's it. expecting a spark. it it's it. you mentioned symbols are symbolism and it just shows you how important symbols are, especially in christianity . and, especially in christianity. and, you know, maybe after crucifix, you know, maybe after crucifix, you know, maybe after crucifix, you know, the statues , murals of you know, the statues, murals of jesus are the most know appealing symbols for christians. it reminds of this this mural university of notre dame, the great catholic university of america in indiana. and there's a mural it's called the word of life. but of course, nobody that that's the real name of it because it's become touch down jesus because the murals behind the football stadium. so and when you score on one end of that particular end of end zone jesus is they're saying that you know it's the touchdown symbol. so it's just but it's become a real tourist in many ways. but

but you know for a university that was that was they felt it was very important maintain that catholic identity the school was sort of getting into that elite university status . they didn't university status. they didn't want to lose that and. so they built this mural in the sixties . it's not the most beautiful architecture in the world it's very 1960s, but it's turned into touchdown jesus, i should say , touchdown jesus, i should say, christ the redeemer has been struck . it's the first time. struck. it's not the first time. and you expect if sit and you expect if you sit yourself on top of a mountain or a high structure, that's where the goes to. it's attracted to the goes to. it's attracted to the negative charge is looking for the positive on the ground and that includes ourselves, by the way , we got positive coming the way, we got positive coming out the top of our head . and so out the top of our head. and so you get into the wrong place at the wrong time. say example, on fidges the wrong time. say example, on ridges or a mountain or an open sea or park, that's when you can be struck and part my job perhaps a satire. my job is sometimes to pick up pieces of this not not literally, but for

coroners and for police and for others in terms of writing, investigative side of things have you you know, to give a sense of the unlikeliness of the event. yeah. can well, generally speaking in the uk we talk about the uk on average about five people a year are killed by lightning. really yeah, a lot more injured. i thought. i read more injured. i thought. i read more about that. five people a yeah more about that. five people a year. sounds like a lot it's 25,000 a year. sorry. 25,000 a year globally . lot more year globally. lot more elsewhere and killed by lightning. yeah. absolute lutely. so that's that's half the amount of people that so far have been sadly killed in turkey. so, for example that is a lot and brazil happens to be one of the places that because it's tropical you might expect that more than than other places and they are you know the tree with with thailand and other places that you do see lightning activity you mentioned the christ the redeemer has been struck before presumably it's

critical for these structures have lightning conductors. yeah or else or else what would happen or else there would be no more christ the redeemer. the simplest it would really time. i mean each each lightning is as it's talking about 50,000 degrees fahrenheit . that's the degrees fahrenheit. that's the first thing to say, you know, give or take that's about where it's the temperature it yeah it's the temperature it yeah it's five times hotter than the of the sun so yeah. these things this is what i by be manifest being right into your bones in terms of almost worshipping the glory. i remember as a little boy sending out the window of my mom's house. hello she's watching. i and you know me to see a thunderstorm going past that that was my sort of starting . i'll want to be starting. i'll want to be a meteorologist so it was a kind of it kind of gets into your thought make sense. you see the majesty of these these these events that occur and

particularly we all talk about you talk about fault, lightning . that is the only light in the rays in terms is sheet lightning, for example . no such lightning, for example. no such thing for an island behind thing is for an island behind behind another it's going behind another cloud. it's going on behind. you're not seeing it. if you see i'm trying to say so. there's of things we there's lots of things that we talk about. i think we've all talk about. we i think we've all probably lying in bed and seeing our one bit our thunderstorm. one of the bit scared accounts i'll scared accounts are 1009 i'll close this all of that close this again all of that type thing. so yeah, for me type of thing. so yeah, for me it's a passion . i mean type of thing. so yeah, for me it's a passion. i mean i type of thing. so yeah, for me it's a passion . i mean i mean, it's a passion. i mean i mean, i was, i was describing you there as a as a your risk your risk manager . i as a as a your risk your risk manager. i mean, what is your what does your day job look like? my god, it it really i'll tell you how it stars it starts in sport, to be honest with you. we and i particularly the we update the betting companies with the with their how the risk is going to be for certain games certain certain sports in different parts of the world that's how it will go and there's others. so film making for example you just had a couple of filmmakers on here and

talking about mental health and stuff like that. so providing the information to right verification of insurance, i'm coming to london actually on tuesday to talk to underwriters in that glass place. the city of lloyd's of london, one of those. so it's because of the weather. so it's because of the weather. so many. yeah. parts of our life i can go from this side to this side. i'm bouncing around all the time doing doing so people are so people are coming to and say this is the project we have in mind for. should we be aware of? yeah yeah. and should we be this now? should we be packing in? we canada is in? should we is canada is professionals in i hope i can give to them that will give an edge going forward whether be a professional rugby team or football team or something else down the line. yeah, it's all in that book. so you know clean when you talk about the potential damage, i mean i think of it, but i think about structure of steel at the shard in london or the or the burj khalifa in dubai . hmm. i mean, khalifa in dubai. hmm. i mean,

the potential the damage to a structure that scale by something that's 50,000 degrees. yeah, but we learned we've learned science has taken forward to say you can put a lightning conductor on top of these things and the lightning will be attracted to that point , if you like. it's it will always be the top point, by the way. it's not attracted to metal per se. so it isn't it's another another fallacy . you can be another fallacy. you can be a golfer and they are at risk and it doesn't matter if you lift your golf stick up into the air, then it might get you too excited for us. i'm going to have to i'm going to have to jump have to i'm going to have to jump to the end of the show, though. okay. from me and neil all of our life. thanks always to my panel. kingsley. greg swenson. thank jim deal. that's brilliant. by brilliant. you can come by anytime a bit more of anytime to talk a bit more of that. i'll be back 6:00 next saturday. next up, it's mark dolan nick, what dolan tonight mar. nick, what have nick thank you so have you got? nick thank you so much for another brilliant, brilliant party. that's my nickname, of course that's my little private name . you, neil little private name. you, neil oliver. what a show . there's

oliver. what a show. there's your clips of the week and a really busy hours, starting really busy 3 hours, starting with the people's plus my big opinion my take it ten and the papers live in a few . hello papers we live in a few. hello craig snow. and here's your latest forecast from the met office. well, looking ahead to sunday, for many in the north face going to be fairly wet. one, we've got another band of rain moving further rain moving in. but further south, should be dry and fine south, it should be dry and fine and for all of us, it will be mild. so here's the situation for of saturday, cotton for the rest of saturday, cotton area, low pressure, which will clear the north sea. clear off into the north sea. but another one is waiting in the as go into sunday. the wings as we go into sunday. so rain associated with that so the rain associated with that area pressure will slowly area of low pressure will slowly move this eastwards as we go move this way eastwards as we go through the night. through the course of the night. it allow things to turn a it does allow things to turn a bit dry and clearer for a time. scotland, so we could just see a few icy patches here, but elsewhere fairly quiet night to come temperatures little come with temperatures little bit cooler than of late, but still on the side, not still on the mild side, not falling much lower than seven or eighteen in most towns and cities so going sunday cities so going into sunday morning , we've got an area of

morning, we've got an area of rain which will gradually work its across its way eastwards across scotland. spread scotland. it will also spread some across northern some cloud across northern ireland northern england ireland and northern england can't the split and can't rule out the odd split and spots here to, but to spots of rain here to, but to the south of that it should be dry with some sunny spells, especially central especially down towards central southern england, south western england in the it will feel england and in the it will feel very mild for the time of year. temperatures potentially reaching 14 or 15 degrees heading into sunday. quite a wet and windy night to come across the far north of scotland. that rain will transfer a little bit southwards as night goes on. southwards as the night goes on. elsewhere, a fairly quiet night to come, some clear spells around, but there'll be enough a breeze to stop it from temperatures from falling to low again. temps not much lower than seven or eighteen in most towns and cities . so a quiet start to and cities. so a quiet start to the new working week in the south lots of cloud around a few brighter spells to be had . but brighter spells to be had. but then further north we've got this of rain, giving a fairly wet start to the week across scotland that will transfer its way into northern ireland and northern as the day goes on,

potentially allowing something a little for the far north little bit dry for the far north and then all eyes turn to wednesday as it starts to turn colder the of some colder with the risk of some wintry showers showers

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