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and broadcaster christine hamilton . i and broadcaster christine hamilton. i was and broadcaster christine hamilton . i was broadcaster hamilton. i was a broadcaster and journalist danny kelly before get started. let's get your latest news headlines . good your latest news headlines. good afternoon . it's 4:00. i'm afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm tatiana sanchez , the gb newsroom tatiana sanchez, the gb newsroom lancashire police say a body has been found . the river wyre, been found. the river wyre, they've been searching for nicola bulley who disappeared the area more than three weeks ago. police say can't yet confirm if the body is that of the missing of two and they're working on formal identification , they're currently treating the death unexplained and say her family has been informed of the latest . a cabinet says boris latest. a cabinet says boris johnson's intervention on the northern ireland protocol is not unhelpful because there plenty of work to be done . mr. of work to be done. mr. johnson's warning that scrapping the bill would be a great mistake comes a day after and

the european commission president said they've made good progress on fixing with the post—brexit trading arrangements. the protocol bill introduced under johnson gives introduced underjohnson gives the uk the right to ignore eu and the leader of the house of commons, penny mordaunt, believes that gives the government a stronger bargaining . i think it's helpful to remind the eu that we have the northern ireland protocol bill is helpful to remind them what those expectations are and but i would also just say that look , there also just say that look, there are encouraging signs that there is. people are saying there's a lot more to do . but progress is lot more to do. but progress is being made . political being made. political commentator. dr. john coulter says mr. johnson's on brexit, his since leaving office could have serious ramifications . have serious ramifications. solving the protocol daily in

northern ireland will guarantee the security of the peace for i would say, the next generation. now what boris has done is really thrown a trojan horse into the political negotiations here . originally, the protocol here. originally, the protocol was always seen as the europe union punishing, was always seen as the europe union punishing , the uk, for union punishing, the uk, for danng union punishing, the uk, for daring democratically vote to leave the european union. so we've got to get a solution . the we've got to get a solution. the protocol . sir keir starmer under protocol. sir keir starmer under no circumstances will do a deal with the snp . addressing a party with the snp. addressing a party conference in edinburgh, he urged scottish voters to put their faith in labour. in the wake of nicola sturgeon's , sir wake of nicola sturgeon's, sir keir says can bring the change scotland needs and the tide is turning on the tories. on the snp over 15 years in power , what snp over 15 years in power, what do they have to show for it.7 honestly it's always somebody

else's fault and the reason is simple . they're not truly simple. they're not truly invested in scotland . anything invested in scotland. anything scotland achieves within the uk is met with gritted teeth seen as a roadblock to the one true goal as a roadblock to the one true goal. whatever happens the coming months , my message is the coming months, my message is the same no deal. i'm any circumstances . scottish health circumstances. scottish health secretary humza yousaf and former minister ash regan have announced they're in the race to replace nicola sturgeon as leader, revealing their plans in the sunday mail . they are the the sunday mail. they are the first to declare their candidate safe for the contest and minister miri mccallion has now said she's not standing . but said she's not standing. but it's still thought finance secretary kate forbes could be a contender . secretary kate forbes could be a contender. nominations secretary kate forbes could be a contender . nominations close contender. nominations close next and the winner will be announced at the end of march .

announced at the end of march. the us secretary of state has warned china will face serious consequences if it provides lethal military aid to russia . lethal military aid to russia. antony blinken spoke to the country's top diplomat, wang yi , the sidelines of the global security conference in munich . security conference in munich. the us believes beijing considering sending weapons ammunition to russia for the war in ukraine which denies . and the in ukraine which denies. and the musical program for , the king's musical program for, the king's coronation has been revealed. an anthem written by composer andrew lloyd webber is one of 12 new pieces to be played during ceremony. best known for including the phantom of opera and jesus christ superstar , he and jesus christ superstar, he said he's incredibly honoured to have been asked. greek orthodox music will also be on the playlist . a personal request by playlist. a personal request by king as a tribute to his late father . this king as a tribute to his late father. this is will bring you more news as . father. this is will bring you more news as. it happens now it's back to nana akua .

it's back to nana akua. what it's not a fast approaching 6 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital video. i'm not a queen. i first want a straight to our top story. police searching for missing mother of two nicola bulley in lancashire discovered a in the river near to where she went missing. 45 year old mortgage adviser and michael's onune mortgage adviser and michael's online whilst walking her dog three weeks ago. now she's just dropped daughters aged six and nine at school. we can go live to the scene in st michael's omagh and gb news north west. reporter sophie reaper so if he wants latest , what we heard wants latest, what we heard afternoon that a body had been found not too far away from st michael's on wye where the mother of two originally had gone missing from. the first thing we heard was that there

was a male a police presence here in st michael's on wye, far more than there has been over recent days, of course. there's been huge media, but the numbers over the last few days seem to have wane greatly. but today there was massive police . we there was massive police. we then saw roads cordoned off. and we also heard that a call had been made around half 11, which prompted this police search we saw helicopters in the air and i say major police presence around the roads here in st michael's on the wire . then just a couple on the wire. then just a couple of hours ago , there was a of hours ago, there was a statement published, i believe first to lancashire police's facebook page, in part of which it said we were called today 11:36 am. to reports of a body in the river wyre close royal cliff road not just to say rawcliffe road is just round the corner from me, but it is very to reach it due to the heavy police presence. it also said an underwater search and specialist officers have subsequently

attended the scene and said the water have sadly recovered. a no formal identifying mission has yet been carried out so we unable to say whether this nicola bulley at this time . so nicola bulley at this time. so they were unable to confirm that they were unable to confirm that the body that's been located was the body that's been located was the mother of two, but they did also that nicola bulley family have been contacted with development. they also added that this moments they're treating the death as unexplained. of course this investigation for nicola boley to find her has been ongoing since that morning she went missing on friday the 27th of january. that's a crucial window of time that police were investigating 9:10 when she was last known to be seen . and then last known to be seen. and then 9:33 when her phone was located on that bench. we know through police press conferences that their main working hypothesis always been that nicola had gone the water. of course not been

confirmed yet. whether it is the mother of two that's been found. just to reiterate that. but of course, this now may be an answer to the question that . answer to the question that. people have been desperate for the last three weeks and two days now . i mean , sophie, what days now. i mean, sophie, what can you tell us about the sort of scene that and i mean, there are a lot of police around what's what's currently what is the scene like the moment .7 well the scene like the moment? well i've been speaking to you a couple of police officers. i've already walked past me here next to, this stretch of river. there's police cars everywhere . there's police cars everywhere. police tape as . there's police cars everywhere. police tape as. i there's police cars everywhere. police tape as . i say we saw police tape as. i say we saw police helicopters earlier. the police helicopters earlier. the police presence has been massive. i've not seen it this great since the very of the investigation. of course we can't get to where the body was recovered from but of course if those underwater search there as well the here in st michael's is very sombre there aren't many

people around other than members of the press. it's very quiet the roads are much quieter than i've seen road here in front of me block two lane which has been kind of a central hub, if you will for the last three weeks. there's no one near as many cars as there has over the last few weeks. and that is, of course, because the news will have filtered through . and i suppose filtered through. and i suppose people are just trying to respect. it a sunday, after respect. it is a sunday, after all. so i doubt anyone was expecting this kind of news to come today . but i say, the come today. but as i say, the atmosphere here is quiet and it's sombre and there's over the press and police does not really that many people around . well, that many people around. well, sophie, thank you very much. you keep us updated throughout the day. thank so much that sophie we. thank you. well, joining me now is former detective chief inspector yard mike neville . inspector yard mike neville. mike, so talk to me about what's your reaction to today's developments? well course, the first thing is it's the news

that no one wanted to hear. but isuppose that no one wanted to hear. but i suppose to some degree , i suppose to some degree, closure for the family. obviously you know, for two children. dreadful. that's first thought. the second thought, of course, the police will consider themselves vindicated because this is what they've been suggesting all along. but the tragedies , course, is that since tragedies, course, is that since the very start of this and i've said this on gb news and elsewhere, we've had the tragic case of anthony, not some three years ago, where he vanished into a river and emerged 21 days later. and here we have 23 days now each rivers different land she's travel just the body it seems and we assume that it's nicola but travelled one mile that the is failing to disclose confidential information to peter foundling the experts stopped him searching for more than just a few hundred and if the police had given up the information that suggests that she may well have been found sooner and the family may not have had to go through all this

tragedy and may have the situation. and we've got all these people searching, the river. and once again, it's a of the who comes this tragic the public who comes this tragic thing. i ijust the public who comes this tragic thing. i i just think this could have been done better all the awful medical information menu and no one else really needed to know, didn't to be disclosed and.she know, didn't to be disclosed and. she could have been found earlier if it matters in other investigations and of course not to say that we don't know it's i mean she hasn't been formally identified. so we can't but but yes we hear what you're saying now how difficult has it this investigation for the lancashire police . well of course it's very police. well of course it's very difficult because they're a small room , the police force small room, the police force really . and then the cries of really. and then the cries of the well drama because of course the well drama because of course the people say, why are the press so interested? of course a local commission and seemingly vanishes into thin air. so they've been exposed to the world's media. but the people, i think , really need to be looked

think, really need to be looked at here are the press officers within , the force, because the within, the force, because the information and how it's been released has been shocking , in released has been shocking, in my view, it's called nothing but hurt. i did say if she had found the best case scenario that she'd vanished to , get time to she'd vanished to, get time to herself. well, put it out. information like that was making it less likely to come back. i don't what it achieved because i don't what it achieved because i don't think you needed to know that in detail and we could have been told should mental mental health issues at the start well that's that might have changed the yeah i mean that's what i was going to say if they were going to put that out there you would think that the wise time to do it would be at the beginning just you if they're going to put anything out like so that the kind of search that will well have will carried out may well have been slightly wider search been a slightly wider search than the one that happened. so what, what is the what, what, what, what is the next of this one was what next stage of this one was what happens course we happens next? well, of course we have to a there'll be have to have a there'll be a formal i don't of the bodies obviously if it is nicola's been in the river you know

in the river a long you know nearly weeks. all best one nearly three weeks. all best one and three weeks. but what, what, whether post mortem whether the post mortem ever tell she entered tell us whether she entered deliberately or by accident . deliberately or by accident. we'll never know. and then there'll be a formal end inquest and the like. but the key thing for me in all this is the family at the moment, the club the closure for the family after . closure for the family after. this, of course, the internal reviews , external reviews of how reviews, external reviews of how they the police have handle this . but as i've said, it's the press to comment that to me that really to be looked at whoever is responsible for this . do you is responsible for this. do you think that the police given a bit of a hard time with or do you feel that there actions apart from obviously releasing that information towards the end, which was really not much use to anybody ? but doesn't that use to anybody? but doesn't that do you think the handling has in a sense been fair and that it was really difficult thing for them to deal with? of course , them to deal with? of course, was case. i think was a different case. i think my initial excellent. initial response was excellent. you identified as you know, she was identified as high very, very quickly as high risk very, very quickly as far as being dealt with as a

missing person within, you know, an they have drones an hour or so they have drones up. they seeking up. they had heat seeking helicopters. this sort of helicopters. and this sort of thing. that was good. but thing. but that was good. but then the secondary response, the sort of investigative response wasn't as good. for example they didn't know if she had been taken . was the issue of the taken. was the issue of the banks not being kept for friends occasion and the digital evidence . she had a case in her evidence. she had a case in her pocket mercedes car keys i believe a possibly like a fitbit although could have possibly been contact to buy some digital means if had been done quick enough before the batteries run out. we don't know if that's the but that needs to be looked into the police often do with digital evidence in a stone age ways the hopeless with traditional they're very good. but with digital evidence not so good. so but these are questions that need to be answered once . all need to be answered once. all this has been done and as i say, my prayers with the family at the moment. but but in defence, some of these social media companies and so on. so don't like to give out information ,

like to give out information, could even make it difficult for the but course, all the police. but of course, all of these things definitely need to be looked at now the to be looked at now for the family themselves. what kind of support and will support will they get and will they receiving? now, we they be receiving? right now, we don't it's course, don't know. it's not, of course, but this would harrowing but this would be harrowing anyway. absolutely and the police have improved over many with family liaison officers , with family liaison officers, and that's particularly well trained and excellent officers who can offer that advice. and they do have a difficult role because, of course, when you deal with these missing persons, we seen the people with crocodile tears or say, oh, no, someone's gone missing. and then we out they're responsible. we find out they're responsible. luckily that seems luckily in this case that seems to case, but the family to be the case, but the family liaison officers tread a fine line between getting information about workings of about the internal workings of the and showing a care in the family and showing a care in nature helping to things nature helping to arrange things and explaining the legality , the and explaining the legality, the procedures that will go on so . procedures that will go on so. i'm sure those officers are doing a fantastic job but a very difficult job as well . and how difficult job as well. and how soon do you think we are likely find out whether the body is in

fact, nicola bulley or not? well, i think the police will be very quick to get this out because they're very old. there's been too much speculation in this case. of course, we've had all sorts of ghouls down there and causing more hurt to the families. so the sooner the police can get the sooner the police can get the post—mortem, when the identification done, i'm sure they'll be keen to get that information out that but one thing i would say i don't in the former officers seen have been blaming the press and i have to defend the press here i do ask the media simply reports the stories and they report what they're given and they've not been given the right information . reporters know . journalist reporters i know wouldn't certain wouldn't disclosed certain things been to things if they'd been asked to do. so there's a lack of trust at the moment between the police and journalists profession and the journalists profession and the journalists profession and that is not good because it cuts off vital supply of leads . cuts off vital supply of leads. well, listen, thank you so much . your thoughts as a former detective inspector, scotland yard never like. thank you yard might never like. thank you so much . well, let's just recap

so much. well, let's just recap with what the police have said, this is the statement they posted on social media this afternoon, this morning, sunday, 19th of february. you may be aware of police activity around the river near st michael's. we want to remind with an update on that activity . well, call today that activity. well, call today at 11:36 am. to reports of a bodyin at 11:36 am. to reports of a body in the river wall close to rawcliffe road and underwater search team and specialist officers subsequently attended the scene and the water and have sadly recovered a body no formal identification has been carried out so we are unable say whether this is nicola bulley at this time procedures identify the body are ongoing we are currently treating the death as unexplained. nicola's family been informed of developments now thoughts are with them at this most difficult we ask that privacy is respected as well. is this coming up to 90 minutes after 4:00? with me. i'm done. this is gb news on tv , online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital media on the way the great budget debate this i'm asking should boris butt of

brexit. senior tory have hit out at former prime minister johnson as he warned against ditching the northern ireland protocol bill? now politicians have described his intervention as a nuisance , so sunak be given the nuisance, so sunak be given the space to end the brexit deadlock on the island of ireland . so on the island of ireland. so suits. email gbviews@gbnews.uk. tell me what you think on everything we discuss. you can also tweet me at gb news. i've got a pull up right now asking should boris butt out of brexit? cast vote now. we'll be back after the weather .

and elegant afternoon is fast approaching 22 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm a quick and it is time now for our great british debate hour. i'm asking, should butt out of brexit now the former prime

minister boris johnson who got brexit done , made his first brexit done, made his first intervention since leaving office. he rishi sunak against the northern ireland protocol bill. now a source close to bofis bill. now a source close to boris said that this is because his basic worry is that we took the powers in the bill and we are not using them and we haven't got a good deal as we would have because didn't stick with it. that's what he's saying now. the powers within the bill allows uk to ignore eu rules which the bloc as a breach of international. however, the prime minister is negotiating democratic consent mechanism that would let the northern ireland assembly to allow the northern ireland assembly reject a new eu regulations allowing sunak to drop the bill. now as it stands, the prime minister and eu commission president von der leyen says . very good der leyen says. very good progress has been made , but progress has been made, but sunak rates rated a protocol dealis sunak rates rated a protocol deal is by means done. so brexit

and brexiteers are concerned this new deal could the european court of justice to become ultimate of disputes ultimate arbiter of disputes about eu law that emerged from northern ireland, whereas others see boris's intervention as him being a nuisance . so what do you being a nuisance. so what do you think of the great british debate hour? i hope you're not confused. should boris butt out of brexit? let's see. joining me now is former brexit party mep bill lucy former editor of bill lucy and former editor of the label is peter edwards. so i'm start with you i'm going to start with you linda to see where she she's coming up now. well, i'll start with you, peter, because belinda's oh, belinda's hanging about. oh, i hope. peter, you think hope. peter, what do you think then regards the should then with regards the should bofis is then with regards the should boris is we should boris motto is we should see that right for this thing that right to ask for this thing be ditched. well boris an mp and he's welcome to contribute. but this it's wrapped up this thing is it's wrapped up in his ambition think his own ambition because think about former prime about the former prime minister's major and tony minister's john major and tony blair role in the blair both a huge role in the peace process , 1990s. they don't peace process, 1990s. they don't want be minister so want to be prime minister so when they speak, it's a degree of there's of independence. but there's nothing in it for themselves. with boris johnson , it's only with boris johnson, it's only been a matter months since he been a matter of months since he resigned over several and with

record personally low approval ratings . so the problem record personally low approval ratings. so the problem is it's all wrapped up in his own future career. and i worry slightly that. career. and i worry slightly that . these interventions, that. these interventions, however, perhaps will his own politics before what's going on in northern ireland. so but if you look at it though, isn't he right though to sort of intervene in this because ultimately or to suggest to that rishi sunak change his course of otherwise the european court of justice will be able to intervene and that is the word that's go to put into place he into . sorry. thank you. no, no, into. sorry. thank you. no, no, no. i'm very, very pleased that bofis no. i'm very, very pleased that boris has butted in. if like. i mean, it's essential that keep the northern ireland protocol leverage . the conservatives have leverage. the conservatives have made the mistake before of getting rid of deal taking that off the table . we were in our off the table. we were in our negotiations left us open to having to obey the instructions of the eu. i don't know. i will. i'm very that rishi has delayed

put this northern ireland protocol bill on hold because . protocol bill on hold because. essentially all the bill is suggesting and ensuring is that foreign courts don't rule over the land the united kingdom. now there is there is no treaty. i think the world between two nafions think the world between two nations where one court of one nafion nations where one court of one nation gets to be the final arbiter of , you know, debates arbiter of, you know, debates and disputes in a treaty. it absurd. and the ecj is a very biased political court. this is not an independent . it is not an independent. it is absolutely be driven by ever closer union. so it is not a court to be trusted to have any say over the united . i wish the say over the united. i wish the lg speak up about it. i don't rishi hunt in that are in westminster at moment with negotiating with the eu at all. i don't think it's political for boris. i think he's doing fine and dandy loads of money during

doing speeches. i think he is concerned about the union. i know this was his deal, but remember at the time when he pushed this over the line, you know we nearly lost brexit. this was the only deal that was going to get us line and i believe to get us the line and i believe bofis to get us the line and i believe boris believed he revisit boris believed he could revisit the northern ireland protocol and fix once he was in power. but of course kate, it happened. he was ousted and the northern ireland protocol got put on hold by rishi and by the rishi hunt blob. so i do think that there is something afoot . it's very is something afoot. it's very concerning that rishi is in negotiation in the eu with the eu where already the vice president of the eu commission is boasting that the will have a role northern ireland already so . it doesn't bode well. well peter, belinda who makes a good point i mean that bill was there to protect us from, you know, people who want to take over and actually overrule part our own sovereign territory . what would sovereign territory. what would you say to that? well i wouldn't

use words like takeover at it just doesn't apply . secondly, i just doesn't apply. secondly, i think there are okay overall and our judicial process. think there are okay overall and our judicial process . yes. and our judicial process. yes. and it was boris johnson who was prime minister who rubber stamped elements . this agreement stamped elements. this agreement is now campaigning against like it was boris johnson who led the campaign for brexit, elements of which is campaigning against the idea . boris johnson is innocent idea. boris johnson is innocent bystander coming in to save day when in fact he is his fingertips. the of several of these problems is just a nonsense and also goes to this other point about treaties, countries and international. i think if you look around there are actually a few precedents of where there is arbitration on international basis and i'm happy be corrected. but i think the court of arbitration sport is one of them. and you know , is one of them. and you know, the ecj is the european of justice is there to uphold rule of law, is not there to give party political comment in just shaking your head. and that's just not. the ecj is a court. i

did my dissertation in the ecj rulings. i know full well the amount of cases that it decided upon pushing integration of further interference domestic law. the ten case in ireland . law. the ten case in ireland. please look it up it's a horrific abuse of power and the idea that this biased court has a say over united kingdom territory is unacceptable. and i think it will destroy the conservative brand completely if rishi oversees is syphoning off part of uk territory to have to submit the eu law without any representation . what's your representation. what's your alternative plan to give a flying flamingo about peace in northern ireland? and this was proved to bomb, delay and in 2021, threatened to slap hard border in ireland northern ireland. boxing imports and she only retracted it . remember that only retracted it. remember that it was the alternative suggests

something or peter's asking what's the alternative? plan, he said suggests what could they do instead ? oh, i tell what. why instead? oh, i tell what. why don't we follow the eu's adviser laws colston ? he wrote a 47 page laws colston? he wrote a 47 page report about his smart border, explaining exactly how would work. this was the eu's own adviser. he presented it to the eu during the brexit crisis years and the eu did missed it out of hand completely. years and the eu did missed it out of hand completely . they out of hand completely. they have no political will or when it comes to northern ireland, they were given alternatives . they were given alternatives. they dismiss it because they want hold over the uk. they want to us with this the border like a stick. this is a really a horse element to it . and you act horse element to it. and you act as if the eu like a saint and bofisis as if the eu like a saint and boris is like demon. unfortunately, i have say the eu does not have good intentions when it comes to the northern ireland border. final word to you, peter. so it's not my role. so who's to say who's sinner? but apologies to suggestion and

suggestions ? the solution has suggestions? the solution has been has been rejected by four conservative prime ministers in succession and governments have left and right across europe . so left and right across europe. so it seems to be a consensus that it's unworkable. well, we'll see. i mean, it's unworkable. nobody's actually put smart border in place. it may work, but actually getting rid on an island protocol might not the answer. but what do you think? he's just doing. thank you very much, linda, lisa and peter, for your thoughts. you're with me i'm that clear. is dvds i'm not that clear. this is dvds on online and on digital radio. after the break, continue after the break, we'll continue with debate this hour. with our great debate this hour. i'm should boris i'm asking, should boris butt out of brexit? the thoughts of my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton, public broadcaster danny kelly. but broadcaster and danny kelly. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . first, let's get your latest news headlines. nana, thank you. good afternoon . this is the good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom lancashire police are working to

identify a body that was recovered from the river. it was located the area where mother of two nicola bulley disappeared. more than three weeks ago. they're currently treating the death as unexplained and her family has been informed of the latest development. home secretary suella braverman has described the news this heartbreaking and distressing . heartbreaking and distressing. a cabinet minister says johnson's intervention on the northern ireland protocol is not unhelpful . ireland protocol is not unhelpful. his warning that scrapping the bill be a great mistake comes a day after rishi sunak and the european commission president said they'd made very good progress on fixing with the post—brexit trading arrangements. the protocol bill introduced under johnson gives the uk the right to ignore eu and the leader of the house of commons. to ignore eu and the leader of the house of commons . morton the house of commons. morton believes that gives government stronger bargaining power. i think it's helpful to remind eu that we have the northern

ireland protocol all bill. it's helpful to remind them what those expect nations are and but i would also just that, look, there are encouraging signs that there are encouraging signs that there is people are saying there's a lot more to do but progress is made . sir keir progress is made. sir keir starmer says under no circumstances will labour a deal with the snp. addressing a party conference in edinburgh , he conference in edinburgh, he urged scottish voters to put their faith in labour in the wake of nicola sturgeon's resignation . sir keir says he resignation. sir keir says he can bring the change scotland needs and the tide is turning on the tories on the snp . the tories on the snp. meanwhile, scottish health secretary humza yousaf and former minister ash regan have announced they're in the race to replace nicola sturgeon as snp . replace nicola sturgeon as snp. revealing their plans the sunday mail. they're the first to declare their candidacy for the contest . environment minister

contest. environment minister mari mccallion has now said she's not standing . but finance she's not standing. but finance secretary kate forbes is still thought to be a possible contender to tv , online and dab+ contender to tv, online and dab+ radio . this is.

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daughters aged six and nine at school. now joining me to discuss this, former superintendent met police leave it . logan leroy thank you very it. logan leroy thank you very much for joining it. logan leroy thank you very much forjoining me. so what can much for joining me. so what can you tell me about this kind of investigation ? because there was investigation? because there was so much going on, we had people, you know, who were coming to the scene and doing all sorts of things. what kind of things do the police to be very wary the police have to be very wary of when doing sort of of when doing this sort of investigation ? well i don't investigation? well i don't know. come across as captain hindsight , know. come across as captain hindsight, but i'm not going to suggest that in this certain things you get in place. the first thing you get a group so that you're your investigation is as wide as possible. and that's people not only the police , but in other strategic police, but in other strategic partners and other people who are impacting and members who will have a look at what your strategy is , even if it's

strategy is, even if it's a missing person . and, of course , missing person. and, of course, if this other investigative opfions if this other investigative options to look at, whether it's some potential abduction , etc. some potential abduction, etc. so you need to get sort of really important group to assist you in, keep your investigate action, very evidence based and not in any sort of hypothesis. and importantly , need to get and importantly, need to get your communications in line with investigation because the police got a lot of criticism during this whole process really from corners do you and do you think that they mismanaged this even had suella braverman making comments i mean do you do you feel that they did that do you think they've been unfairly ? think they've been unfairly? well, i don't think they help themselves in terms of how they made known that they're working up my was she fell in the water or she ended up in the water. i think it was important to keep

every option open because you need to be keeping a wide of views so that you're keeping control of it us and we're not discounting option when you just go one road you're going to leave a void and it's going to be filled with all. saltzman romance acolytes , fashion and romance acolytes, fashion and fake news, unfortunately and, that's what we found. a lot of people were going to the scenes , breaking into areas they shouldn't have been anywhere near , and to some extent there near, and to some extent there needed to be a lot more control around the scene itself , needed to be a lot more control around the scene itself, you know, especially when you saw so much attention, media attention this and it had some, you points that people related that needed to be cordoned that scene i know staged even from very early points of that coming to media attention did i see any sort of cordoning off or anything of

that? and think when as so many people could just literally go down there and jump around and make a nuisance of themselves some of them and some of them i was instructed to investigate . was instructed to investigate. and i think that shows a lack of control and of the void of these rumours that indicate innuendoes and speculation. didn't help, would they? on to release information with regard to mental state and also some personal information and if they weren't unwise , should they have weren't unwise, should they have done it? what's your view? well don't think they needed to . it don't think they needed to. it didn't seem to help the investigation in any way if it were those key people in their by unforeseen circumstance or staged or someone was involved in some way or whatever . the in some way or whatever. the fact that she had certain challenges, i don't see how that

added to the investigation. how does that add to show you that they were in control of that? and i think a lot of people's ideas that they were trying to fend off to say, listen, we're the best job as possible and it's down to the person and you know herself being at fault and that's the thing and not going to reassure people and girls that police have a real control of things that. they really do get a police service that's fit for purpose for young people and young women and. girls, importantly, need know that and because of previous cases like sarah everard and these other cases where, young people, young women and girls are seen to be at the receiving end of police malpractice incompetence . well, malpractice incompetence. well, it certainly was. thank you so much for your sources, former superintendent, the metropolitan police. leave it like and thank you so much. well, joining me now crime and justice in now is crime and justice in policing. commentator actor danny danny, thank you

danny shaw. danny, thank you very much for joining danny shaw. danny, thank you very much forjoining me. now, danny, i certain not see home secretary 2011 described developments in. the case of nicola bulley is heartbreaking, distressing after the body was in the river, wyre . she tweeted, in the river, wyre. she tweeted, these are heartbreak and distressing developments. my thoughts remain with the family and extremely difficult time. do you think there were times when she got with this she should have got involved with this case at . all well, i mean, let's say, at. all well, i mean, let's say, first of all, that this missing persons enquiry is still ongoing until the body is confirmed to be nicklinson . we have no be nicklinson. we have no indication whether the bodies have a male or a female. the persons enquiry will still be carrying on. i think it's completely fine for the home secretary to say she's about something and to make her own discreet enquiries. but what she shouldn't really be doing is getting involved in operational matters . there is a police and matters. there is a police and crime commissioner , lancashire

crime commissioner, lancashire and their job to hold the police service to account. there are overall strategies for the use of the budget and to inquire if there are public concerns about a particular investigation. it's not really for the home secretary to do that so. she needs to be very, very careful about not stepping over and blurring operators lines that is not what politicians any politicians should be doing and if she has real concerns, she really should have sort of set up, review or ask the police and crime commissioner to do something like that . but it's something like that. but it's understandable that politicians because the high profile nature of this case things to say about it , particularly with the it, particularly with the comments from police last week that nicola was suffering from of the menopause and had an alcohol problem . why do you alcohol problem. why do you think this particular case sort of gripped the nation? because as we know, there are hundreds of people that go missing on a daily basis, you know, not hundreds in a day, but i mean, there are 100 people that go

missing that people are currently looking for . well, i currently looking for. well, i think there are many reasons , think there are many reasons, 180,000 people, i think, go missing in the uk year. the majority of those are found or returned . home after 48 hours. returned. home after 48 hours. after two weeks. it's only a small of people who don't . so small of people who don't. so obviously the attention going to focus after a couple of days , focus after a couple of days, people who are still missing. that's inevitable in one sense. the media is also going to focus suppose on people for whom it's you know, it's out of character for them to go missing . that's for them to go missing. that's also understandable . i think also understandable. i think this particular case also has grabbed people's attention . and grabbed people's attention. and because , you know , people, i because, you know, people, i suppose, could identify with nicola being a woman with with a partner , two young children. partner, two young children. people could sort of see this, you know , supposedly, apparently you know, supposedly, apparently happy family and. a mother who's

gone missing seems to be completely out of character and plus, when you factor in the fact she's gone missing, just you know, in broad daylight, walking dog, which is what millions people do every day in a beautiful area, all those factors together in the eyes of the media and the press. i think add together to create a story and a story that people can associate can can sort identify with . and you know let's be with. and you know let's be honest it's a very unusual case. it is highly unusual for someone to go missing in such a small time window. so i think that's why it is you know, it sort of got the reaction did. there are you're absolutely right to say there are other people who are missing today. there have been other missing persons cases. i can of one in london the metropolitan was trying to highlight of a girl i think it was about 13 who'd been missing and there was a lot concern for

her welfare that not get the attention this did and that probably something to do with the character of the media and the character of the media and the people who live in this country not being able to identify this woman and her family in way. because what different about this one? i mean, because some people have pointed to race. i mean, i don't like to think of things in terms, but do you think there was an element of that in this this ? possibly you know, you this? possibly you know, you have someone who's who's who's got a partner. they've got young children . they live, you know, children. they live, you know, in a beautiful part of the country. she's gone missing in circumstances which are highly unusual, doing something that's very sort of , unusual, doing something that's very sort of, you unusual, doing something that's very sort of , you know, unusual, doing something that's very sort of, you know, ordinary walking a dog. it's a bit of a mystery the way in which she disappeared. so you layer in all of those factors . and then as of those factors. and then as the days go by that she's not found and it creates a momentum of its . but certainly she is

of its. but certainly she is race a factor. i know nana it's very difficult to say you have been other cases of people who are not white but have also had are not white but have also had a lot of attention . so, you know a lot of attention. so, you know , i don't want to say definitively , but certainly definitively, but certainly i think people can identify with that, you know, many millions of us can identify with walking the dog. you know , in the morning, dog. you know, in the morning, having two kids just drop them off at school squeezing in that walk before going to on your day, being on. these are so many routine things on a zoom call at work and all of that sort of thing that it was so ordinary and. yet the disappearance was so seemingly of character. but i think it's everything sort of combined together to sort of propel it into the media consciousness . well, it's always consciousness. well, it's always a question that i always try and address because there are who say it's because of that and

it's good to hear that that i didn't think it was either myself personally. i get drawn in by whatever the story is. and as you said, i think that's exactly most people saw and why they were drawn into this particular case in your view because briefly, what what do you make of the police's handung you make of the police's handling of this particular case? i don't want criticise the police investigation . there's police investigation. there's two reasons for that. one is because from everything i've seen, it's been very thorough and exhaustive that they consulted the right experts . and consulted the right experts. and the second thing is, i don't know that they've done. there are bits and pieces of information that i don't know . information that i don't know. and there's information they have that they haven't divulged which may have led them make which may have led them to make decisions. leroy logan's decisions. i heard leroy logan's criticisms about sealing the scene. he may be absolutely right . he's got more experience right. he's got more experience of police. huge amount, more experienced . i have. but i'm experienced. i have. but i'm reluctant to criticise the way they've handled the investigation . what i would

investigation. what i would criticise , i have criticised is criticise, i have criticised is there communication strategy , there communication strategy, there communication strategy, the handling of the media throughout this ? i think the throughout this? i think the messaging hasn't consistent. we were told we were certainly given a very strong impression early on that there weren't any particular health factors or vulnerabilities. we now that's not the case and i think police were inconsistent about . i don't were inconsistent about. i don't think they gave the media as much information in, a high profile case as they should have done, because if you don't the media enough official, done, because if you don't the media enough official , then media enough official, then people will fishing for information and that creates rumour gossip , speculation, rumour gossip, speculation, innuendo and i'm afraid sort of feeds that sort of frenzy that we've seen . and i think the we've seen. and i think the third thing is that they've been no it was handled really badly, was the disclosure of information about her, about a private life and a personal problems that may have been justified it may have been

justified. we don't know precise today. but the way in which that was handled was really the way in which that came out . and if in which that came out. and if that was relevant information, she was classed as high risk. she was vulnerable she had health problems . why wasn't that health problems. why wasn't that disclosed the outset of the investigation ? seems to me that investigation? seems to me that that was relevant information. those things . why wasn't that those things. why wasn't that had what it that said. in fact, we were given a steer that there weren't any health problems. and so i where i'm critical it's about the and the media handling . i think it'll be you know see you know as the weeks go by whether the investigation could have been done differently if it turns out we don't but if it turns out we don't but if it turns out we don't but if it turns out that the body that they found is nicholas body and if it turns out and they to do tests on this to see whether it was in the water for three weeks or, whether it hasn't been, and that would be the second thing to establish how long the body's been the water if it

been in the water for. if it turns that it's been in the turns out that it's been in the water for three weeks. then there will be some serious questions searching questions about the searching and thorough those searches and how thorough those searches were. well, it's funny. connie schultz, thank so much for schultz, thank you so much for talking to me. thank you. that's danny shore. we'll keep you updated on particular updated on this particular case with on this is gb news on tv with me on this is gb news on tv onune. with me on this is gb news on tv online . and digital radio on the online. and digital radio on the way the great british debate. so i'm should boris buy out i'm asking should boris buy out of panel me are of brexit. my panel me are broadcaster and author christine hamilton and broadcaster and journalist antony kelly. first, we'll be back after this .

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asking boris butt out of brexit the former prime minister who got brexit done made its first intervention since leaving office . he warned rishi sunak office. he warned rishi sunak against dropping to northern ireland until now. the within the bill will allow the uk to ignore eu which the bloc regards as breach of international law. now brexiteers believe that this new deal could allow the european court of justice of the ecj to the ultimate arbiter of dispute about eu law that from northern ireland. whereas others see this intervention boris as him being a nuisance. see this intervention boris as him being a nuisance . so for the him being a nuisance. so for the great british debate this time i'm asking boris butt out of brexit. let's see what my panel who are here now finally of that author and broadcaster christine hamilton and journalist and broadcaster kenny, it broadcaster danny kenny, when it comes to you, comes straight to you, christine, to you, the christine, nice to you, by the way. you're matching my way. you're totally matching my background. you've got every colour red shirt. no, colour on their red shirt. no, he definitely shouldn't. i'm delighted to see boris. i can't . i'm saying this, boris writing back onto the horizon because

the first duty that the british government is to the people of northern ireland, to the people who fought and died, the people who fought and died, the people who get the good friday who work to get the good friday agreement. to comes agreement. and that to me comes before else and the protocol when the protocol was agreed it was accepted that the good friday agreement took precedence and the protocol could not the good friday agreement. now if the good friday disappears, then is a grotesque betrayal . boris is a grotesque betrayal. boris to me is fighting for. i mean, it's an absolute outrage that the eu are now not trying to play by the eu are now not trying to play by the rules. they knew what the rules were when the protocol was put into. they knew that the good friday should take precedence and now they're playing silly. now the playing silly. is now the protocol would mean that we can continue to the ecj, but without it was racist and suggesting we don't need it will mean that the which would have jurisdiction is totally unacceptable . cannot totally unacceptable. cannot expect the people in northern to live under different laws , live under different laws, different rules and different

circumstances to the rest of the uk. it is utterly unacceptable and we just have to stand up to the eu. it's amazing we haven't done it. i'm just thinking everyday folk northern everyday folk in northern ireland they to ireland how would they know to sit if the ecj is the ultimate? what sorts of laws and rules will the everyday man or woman in the streets of northern ireland? how would that affect them my from my . if rishi them? from my from my. if rishi sunak convince me that there is an alternative the protocol. you're right about the sanctity of the good friday belfast agreement. one of the probably only good thing tony blair ever did in 1997 was get the two groups together and polish in my view now if rishi sunak because we don't know yet what that deal potentially could be but if he can get pull a rabbit of the hat which will satisfy my one side of the powershell because don't forget the two haven't come back to the to their parliaments all at stormont they're not going to come back if the good friday agreement is any way do you understand line in understand that their line in the sun . we need i think

the sun. we need to i think understand the deal might be bofis understand the deal might be boris johnson is correct there's lots brexit purists there lots of brexit purists there that annoy me. there's very little malleability , one to the little malleability, one to the brexit purists. i think we need to start shyam off. i think we need to give and take little. and if there is an alternative which means that you concede some sort political ground just for the to say that i would suggest it doesn't bring back say that's a lot of take and it's a lot and the ecj so what you're saying is that it would be okay for court in europe rule overrule a decision by this court and that protocol bill make sure that we still have the power to get back and i think that's really but you know as a bloke living in that doesn't bother me. i've got to be selfish about it. i'm not a brexit purist. i'm not, i'm not. i want violence to return to northern, but i'm not a brexit purist. i believe that the ecj or some are a group of monsters. i do believe that they probably want to make it as difficult as

possible, as attractive, as unattractive possible, unattractive as possible, because lots of locked eu because lots of land locked eu member states that will have exactly the same predicament. sorry. it's all right. no you were and all you were talking and all you a unionist. do you believe in the unionist. do you believe in the union future? well, then, if you believe in the union, how can you accept the people you possibly accept the people living ireland will living in northern ireland will be different. well, be living under different. well, i to my question then. i go back to my question then. what conditions that what are these conditions that they be worried about? they should be worried about? well, what's going at well, then what's going on at the this ridiculous the moment, this ridiculous business these business where got all these different lanes , a good different customs lanes, a good market just does that affect market for just does that affect the average man or woman. it'll affect you because you're going to certain yeah, well, to get certain food? yeah, well, things well, you put food things well, no. you put food into equation . you're into the equation. you're interested in. oh, you could start off now know your interesting case. that's a no no but i'm just generally the man the moment on the street i don't want to return to the troubles. and there some sort of all and if there is some sort of all that, we should be governed that, we should all be governed the rules we are united the same rules we are the united you are brexit purists. i you all are brexit purists. i would the majority of people would say the majority of people voted weren't that voted for brexit. weren't that bothered about the sovereignty

they bothered about unfettered immigration. they bothered about unfettered immigration . just personal if immigration. just my personal if i this last week and i said sovereignty actually was very important in my of course but i mean i think to a lot of people which i thought wasn't my view, i just wanted the, you know, to sort out the money situation because i felt that the unfettered immigration creating a was bringing unfettered immigration creating a the was bringing unfettered immigration creating a the wageswas bringing unfettered immigration creating a the wages of; bringing unfettered immigration creating a the wages of british ng unfettered immigration creating a the wages of british people down the wages of british people and, unliveable. you and, that it was unliveable. you cannot live in this country with such low wages is why the pound was and was high. people going and taking somewhere taking that money somewhere else. i just say else. but can i just say apologies that word? i don't apologies for that word? i don't think to use think you're allowed to use that. you're not allowed to use. i didn't what you said, but i didn't hear what you said, but also were pouring billions also we were pouring billions and billions these and billions into these financial argument anyway that so do say we want to so what do people say we want to trade world. don't trade around world. i don't think a lot of people were that bothered about doing a trade deal with america personally i think it was unfettered immigration of immigration to the waste of money unquote. but it money quote unquote. but it wasn't competition when you're talking and talking about trade deals. and that that that would be companies that trade internationally not trade internationally and not everybody it's not everybody does. but it's not about that. people i think it is

more to do with the fact that wages which we i'm so wages which we agree i'm so and also fact that a of these also the fact that a of these big businesses which are drunk on cheap and they have to get a say the say these it's not say in the say these it's not rephrased get you what everybody there of different there a raft of different reasons everybody and choose reasons and everybody and choose it was like pick and mix wasn't they they their own mine it was like pick and mix wasn't theybuty their own mine it was like pick and mix wasn't theybut sovereignty. own mine it was like pick and mix wasn't theybut sovereignty. inn mine it was like pick and mix wasn't theybut sovereignty. i wantine it was like pick and mix wasn't theybut sovereignty. i want to was but sovereignty. i want to be able do trade deals the be able to do trade deals the rest of world without being rest of the world without being told the you're told by the eu you're not allowed to trade deal allowed to have a trade deal with the united. i mean, with with the united. i mean, i can something about africa as well in a way it was like well think in a way it was like devices and it ultimately slightly racist in my view because you know countries like africa, ghana , places in africa africa, ghana, places in africa sorry , ghana and other countries sorry, ghana and other countries were not able to trade in the way having the deal with the eu. i just didn't like it and it meant that we were hamstrung and it seemed that it was a lot of the white countries that were able trade. it was very difficult for me. the african countries to trade. so that's what can't be what i think. but that can't be racist. probably be because racist. i probably be because ghana hasn't got a great deal to offer. maybe. well what's going

ghana hasn't got a great deal to offei maybe. well what's going ghana hasn't got a great deal to offei wantie. well what's going ghana hasn't got a great deal to offe i want to well what's going ghana hasn't got a great deal to offei want to go ll what's going ghana hasn't got a great deal to offei want to go just1at's going ghana hasn't got a great deal to offe i want to go just east going on? i want to go just east cocoa. pretty much everything. so we're already dealing with ghana? no, but i'm saying that we do own individual set we do our own individual set deals. these countries, we have to sort of go, as you know. no, i'm just the elements of i'm just saying the elements of it, thought got bit it, i thought we've got a bit woke in last week. i have woke in the last week. i have not gone woke i'm absolutely i know if she's gone work and heaven help rest of the so heaven help the rest of the so i'll say as i see it and i'll just say as i see it and that's what i see if you that's what i see anyway if you just for i don't woke and just joined for i don't woke and this gb views more to come in this is gb views more to come in the day and we get rid of enough tv -- tv news on em tv news on tv, online and on radio. i'm done acquiring for the next. we'll be covering the latest developments in the nicola bulley search after the police discovered a body in river wall near where she went missing. now the home secretary has called the development heartbreaking. we'll be talking about that after latest about that after your latest news headlines .

about that after your latest news headlines. nana, thank you. good afternoon will, as you've just been hearing, lancashire police are working to identify body that was recovered from river wyre. it was locate it in the area where the mother of two nicola bulley disappeared more than three weeks ago that currently treating the death as unexplained claimed and say her family has been of the latest development . the home secretary development. the home secretary said a brave woman has described the news as heartbreaking and distressing . former detective distressing. former detective chief inspector to mike neville says the post—mortem might not give information about what happened. give information about what happened . there'll be a formal happened. there'll be a formal identification of the bodies . identification of the bodies. obviously if it is, nicola's beenin obviously if it is, nicola's been in there over a long, you know, nearly three weeks or more than three weeks. so what they whether the post—mortem can tell us whether she entered deliberately or by accident. perhaps we'll never know. she's been too speculation in this

case. of course , had all sorts case. of course, had all sorts of pupils going down and causing even more to the family. so the sooner police can get the post—mortem identification done , sure, they'll be keen to get information out . a cabinet says information out. a cabinet says bofis information out. a cabinet says boris johnson's intervention on the northern ireland protocol is unhelpful because there's still of work to be done. mr. johnson's warning that scrapping the bill would be a great mistake comes the day after rishi sunak , and the european rishi sunak, and the european commission president said they made very good progress fixing problems with post—brexit trading arrangements . the trading arrangements. the protocol bill introduced under johnson gives the uk the to ignore eu rules. johnson gives the uk the to ignore eu rules . and leader of ignore eu rules. and leader of the house of commons , mordaunt the house of commons, mordaunt believes that gives the government stronger bargaining position . i think, you know, position. i think, you know, it's , it's helpful to remind the it's, it's helpful to remind the eu that we have , the northern eu that we have, the northern ireland protocol bill, it's helpful to remind them what those expectation does are and

but i would also just say that, look there are encouraging signs . there is people are saying there's a lot more to do , but there's a lot more to do, but progress is being made. political commentator dr. john coulter says mr. johnson's intervention on his first since leaving office could have serious ramifications . so think serious ramifications. so think the protocol dail in northern ireland guarantee the security of the peace process for would say the next generation. now what boris has done is really thrown a trojan horse into . the thrown a trojan horse into. the political negotiations here . political negotiations here. originally the protocol hall was always seen as european union punished in the uk for daring to democratically vote to leave the european union. so we've got to get a solution to the protocol . get a solution to the protocol. sir keir starmer under no circumstances labour do a deal

with the snp addressing a party conference in edinburgh, he urged scottish voters to put their faith in labour. in the wake of nicola sturgeon's resignation , sir keir says he resignation, sir keir says he can bring change scotland needs and the tide is turning on the tories . the snp over 15 years in tories. the snp over 15 years in power. and what they have to show for it . honestly it's show for it. honestly it's always somebody else's fault and the reason is simple . they're the reason is simple. they're not truly invested in scotland's success anything. scotland within the uk is met with gritted teeth , seen as a gritted teeth, seen as a roadblock to the one true goal. whatever happens the coming months , my message is the same months, my message is the same no deal . any circumstances . no deal. any circumstances. meanwhile, scottish health secretary humza yousaf and former minister regan have announced that in the race to replace nicola sturgeon as snp

leader, revealing their plans the sunday mail that the first to declare their candidacy for the contest environs minister marie mccallion has now said she's not. but it's still thought finance secretary kate could be a contender to. nominations close friday and the winner will be announced at the end of march . the secretary of end of march. the secretary of state has warned china will face serious consequences this if it provides lethal military aid to russia. antony blinken spoke to the country's top diplomat, wang yi, on the sidelines of the global security conference in munich. the us believes beijing is considering sending weapons and ammunition to russia for the war in ukraine which russia has denied denied . and the musical denied denied. and the musical programme for the king's coronation has been revealed. an anthem by composer andrew webber is one of 12 new pieces to be

played during the. best known for musicals, including the phantom of opera and jesus christ superstar . he said phantom of opera and jesus christ superstar. he said he's incredibly honoured to have been asked. greek orthodox music will also be on the playlist . a also be on the playlist. a personal request by king as a tribute to . his late father . tribute to. his late father. this is a gb news bring you monies as it happens now it's back to nana akua . back to nana akua. good afternoon. it is fast approaching minutes after 5:00. this is gb views tv online and on radio's first our top story. police searching missing mother of two nicola bulley in lancashire have revealed this afternoon they discovered a body in the river wall near to where she went missing. 45 year old spicer vanished in st michael's en la whilst her dog three weeks ago. just dropped her daughters,

aged six and nine at school. we can go online to the scene in st michael's la and as north—west reporter sophie . sophie, what's reporter sophie. sophie, what's the latest . well, we heard this the latest. well, we heard this afternoon that a body has now been recovered in the search . been recovered in the search. missing mother of two, nicola bulli. the first we saw was a major presence here in st michael's on wye on the surrounding area . and that surrounding area. and that remains in place as uniformed officers making patrols. there's a police cordon in place . we saw a police cordon in place. we saw helicopters and the police dive teams were also brought in then around. we then heard that around. we then heard that around half 11 this there was an anonymous tip off that prompted this police search. then in a statement just a couple of hours ago, lancashire police said, we were called today at 1136 to reports of a body in the river wyre close to rawcliffe road. now just to give viewers a

little bit of information about where that is, i'm here in st michael's on why a just down street little bit down stream from where nicola originally is believed to have gone missing from where the body has been is around a mile down stream . the around a mile down stream. the police also said underwater search team and special officers have subsequently attended the scene and searched the water and have sadly a body. no identification has yet been carried out. so we will to say whether this nicola bulley at this time . so of course the this time. so of course the family have been contacted with latest development. but it is worth reiterate that it has not been confirmed termed as missing 45 year old nicola bulley and police also have added that this the death is at the moment treated as an this investigation has, of course been ongoing

friday, the 27th of january, when nicola bulley was originally as missing. when i waiting to hear any updates one way or another from lancashire , way or another from lancashire, but this now could the answer to the question what has happened to nicola bulley and we'll be bringing you, of course, all latest updates on this as we get . well thank you so much. thank you so much for. your thoughts there, sophie reaper. our reporting there , the police reporting there, the police searching for a missing mother of two nicola bulley saying that they have discovered the body , they have discovered the body, they have discovered the body, the river near to where she missing. joining to missing. so joining me to discuss this is the editor of lancaster post, nicola adam . lancaster post, nicola adam. nicola. okay, so talk to me about , you know, what the about, you know, what the developments have been and how the atmosphere has been where you are . obviously it's been you are. obviously it's been a very tense, very sad three weeks while the search has been ongoing for nicola bulley and the of st michael's has been absolutely overrun with p people and press you know, and i

include ourselves in that and also, you know , tick tock and also, you know, tick tock and things like that but also police, you know, this is a small village a they have this under 700 people in st michael's. it's not so the troubles on news agenda very frequently here in lancashire it's very quiet known for like the nice walks in the area along the nice walks in the area along the river. so this this last three weeks has been incredibly difficult and it's been at today's news that a body has been found is obviously you know, obviously they can't identify they haven't identified the body at the moment. they can't confirm anything but where the where this has been found is around a mile from the bench where nicholas phone was found . where nicholas phone was found. and also the dog running loose. so you know, obviously the links have been drawn there and police were called around lunchtime to the riverside as some walkers or local you know, people passing spotted something and they called in the police helicopter

which was scanning the area and police helicopter landed in place by about 1:00 this afternoon. police were all at the scene. so you know, is looking very serious but obviously the priority for the police for the rest of michael's is nicholas filmmakers could not be more of a difficult time right so i think that all thinking of the family and if this is a really very sad conclusion to what's been a credibly difficult time for them . if it's not, then some of the poor has lost their lives. so whichever way round that happens. you know, it's very sad day. and sir michael's local people being sort of looking at the police and seeing the investigation that they're doing as a good investigation because the of attitude in the energy that get from the outside as the police have messed up and done this isn't on that. but what does the locals actually think about have done about top the police have done well all the way through and i've said, you know, i've said

this a few times, we've not had anything negative in terms natal has not been found , know that has not been found, know that that that was a fact but in terms of local residents they've actually been pretty quiet of the police investigation say that a lot of care has been taken them you know people who are more vulnerable or are involved or were witnesses they've been getting regular calls from check. they're calls from police check. they're okay you every day . so okay literally you every day. so generally i think the actual police inquiry investigation itself you know it's been thorough and you know they have been all over it in many ways so obviously , you know more the obviously, you know more the criticisms more around the claims of the claims around it, you know , so maybe some you know, so maybe some difficult decisions have had to be because it's been an be made because it's been an unprecedented it's a of an unprecedented it's a bit of an overused word. it is an unprecedented amount of attention on this what was it first, just a missing persons. just just but you know, it normally there's a lot of these other people missing in the county. this is not the only

missing person. and the amount of attention gone on in in of attention has gone on in in the county nationally , even the county nationally, even internationally, has been just incredible, really . do you share incredible, really. do you share the criticism, given to the police with regard to the release of personal information about nicola bulley or in your view , do you feel that perhaps view, do you feel that perhaps thatis view, do you feel that perhaps that is that should have been shared and perhaps the police should have maybe shared it also with crew are actually with the crew who are actually going for the body at going to look for the body at the time ? i think that it was the time? i think that it was a very uncomfortable release of information . i'm not personally information. i'm not personally this is just me saying i don't necessarily think it was necessary. however, i do think that their hand was forced and they had to make a very difficult decision on the fly at that point. i think you i don't think that it was something that they did lightly put that way. obviously, there's no be an inquiry into exactly this all came about but you know i don't feel like it was that there was the reason behind it was more that they were trying to control the narrative rather than this

information getting out more widely , inaccurately and then widely, inaccurately and then more misinformed way. so they were trying to do the right thing , but i were trying to do the right thing, but i think it was ill advised to release information . advised to release information. and what do you think that perhaps they could learn from this , this kind of thing? this, this kind of thing? i mean, you had a lot of people coming to the village and a lot of just doing all sorts of things on tik and everything else like that. what do you think that perhaps the police could have done better? maybe to protect the village from such an onslaught of so many people to it ? i mean, the thing i don't it? i mean, the thing i don't think from the very start that anyone would have thought that it would ever be like , you know, it would ever be like, you know, this of attention this this kind of attention on this kind of case. so i don't they necessarily did anything wrong . necessarily did anything wrong. perhaps could have cordoned perhaps they could have cordoned off mean, it's off the area. but i mean, it's quite a rural it's difficult. you really sort of cordon off that kind of place. it's not like it's a road. so i'm not quite sure how they what they

could have done that point. i mean in terms of people coming into the area , there has been into the area, there has been police patrolling all the time, keeping an eye on don't think i've ever heard of a case like this where there's been quite so much amateur sleuthing tick sleuthing , podcasting and all sleuthing, podcasting and all that. i think is when this sort of thing happened, often this major and media managed in a certain way sort of media are trained to manage this situation and most of the media are trained in the law. they know of libel , things like that. but libel, things like that. but when you've got social media on top of that, when you have everybody in the world is a journalist and a publisher who can be or can comment, very difficult, can control that . i difficult, can control that. i don't think that it was it within lancashire police places abilities to control the noise that that came from outside of this case you know it's just it's just you know it's a situation i think this is a case today for moving forward for more police forces to you know

they need to look at how they manage a situation like this and if you is it quite a close knit community then is it quite a good community? they've been the community up in fantastic. and i think they've gone through a lot together. they've brought from the very get go, they were incredibly organised. they work together really hard to look for nicola. they, they, they did everything possibly could to, to search for her. they have maps printed out. they had like the kind of from the community centre everything from tennis centre everything from tennis centre they had people you know, issuing them with information even had a qr code so you could go look for the information, put the description of that. as you can see, some of this video that they are they're outstanding by they are they're outstanding by the the road to get dash the side of the road to get dash cam day of nicholas cam from the day of nicholas disappearance just in case somebody who's driven through the quite a main the village it's quite a main road to drive through the village might be village see so people might be just once just commuting through once a week, a day realise week, once a day and not realise that they contribute to

that they could contribute to the inquiry so that they were incredibly all incredibly they were all supporting through supporting each other through that. but you obviously it's been difficult for them to manage the all these people coming from outside and they understand oddly become you know a bit , you know, understand oddly become you know a bit, you know, annoyed all of the all of the people in the village who shouldn't be there, you know so which is understandable it's a lot when it's done thank you so much for your thoughts nicola has nicola adams she's the editor of the lancashire post. thank you so much talking me . well, much for talking to me. well, coming up after the break, we'll be this top story, be staying this top story, lancashire saying that lancashire police, saying that they working identify they are working to identify a body the reservoir body discovered in the reservoir near to missing mother near to where missing mother nicola disappeared . we'll nicola bulley disappeared. we'll be the latest and be getting you the latest and some views on the case. some expert views on the case. hello there. welcome to your latest update . the met office. latest update. the met office. i'm john bawtry. we do have a few sunny intervals around this afternoon, but the general theme for the next few days is a cloudy one. frontal systems pushing their way across the northern half of the uk will bnng northern half of the uk will bring unsettled picture bring more unsettled picture

here . although have high here. although we have high pressure the south the of pressure in the south the ft of westerly winds coming in off the atlantic slowly build the clouds here so a few clear intervals for central south eastern areas of england throughout this evening tending to evening. the cloud tending to build move throughout the build as we move throughout the night some bits drizzle night and some bits of drizzle are northern are possible for northern ireland. of western ireland. parts of western england . more england and wales. more extensive rain moving into this will be accompanied by some, particularly winds up to 60, 70 mile an hour gusts are possible so take care here so just take care here underneath . the cloud, though, underneath. the cloud, though, it's to a mild night it's going to be a mild night for of us. some places for all of us. some places holding 11 degrees holding around 11 degrees celsius . the rain across celsius. the rain across scotland tend stall scotland will tend to stall monday so could turn into monday so it could turn into a fairly damp and drizzly day here for the north of that will be sunny intervals for the northern isles, to remain isles, but it's to remain particularly shetland for particularly gusty shetland for northern ireland, england and wales it will be cloudy day the all day break is possible perhaps for parts of northumberland. so temperatures could reach 56 degrees celsius, but retain that cloud as we move into the evening period. again,

some is possible . the rain in some is possible. the rain in the north gradually shifting way off more into parts of the highlands and eventually clearing its way off to the northern isles as well but the vast majority of us will again remain frost free as we move the start of tuesday , looking to be start of tuesday, looking to be another fairly cloudy day for all of us again , the odd glimmer all of us again, the odd glimmer of sunshine might come through, but most of we will see but for most of us we will see fairly into wednesday. fairly skies into wednesday. we'll start to see this system shift its way sort of eastwards across the country. and that will bring in a slight change to our weather. we feeling in some northerly winds and so it will turn brighter a time. but we'll also see temperatures just falling falling off that falling drop falling off that more enjoy your day .

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tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana a if you just joining me. welcome on board, it's just coming up to 23 minutes after 5:00 now. home secretary. so what environment has described the developments in the case of nicola bulley as heartbreaking, distressing after a body was found the river wyre lancashire police out a new search early today near to where the mother of two disappeared. and they say that the body has yet to be identified and the death is being treated as unexplained. so joining discuss the is joining me to discuss the is retired detective retired scotland detective inspector hamish brown . the inspector hamish brown. the hamish, thank you so much. joining me now hamish talk to me about this particular process that the police went through to find or find this body. we don't know whether it's nicola bulley, but did they do everything in this sort of right process ? i this sort of right process? i know you're an expert in that sort of thing. so would you say the procedures they followed and the procedures they followed and the way they executed them were the way they executed them were the that would have gone the way that you would have gone about ? well, well, firstly, about it? well, well, firstly, good afternoon . you know, and i

good afternoon. you know, and i agree with the hosts that katrina this is just the news the relatives didn't want to heat the relatives didn't want to hear. but perhaps privately there was thinking that was going to happen as time went . so going to happen as time went. so there are a couple of aspects here . clearly, the river has here. clearly, the river has searched again, the police have going . i'm searched again, the police have going. i'm good for them. i know comments made about the investigation i don't subscribe to the adverse side at all. they put a of work into this and they've gone over and gone over search shoes they've done and sadly this person's been found and the next thing to do is identify the deceased . i'm going identify the deceased. i'm going to just be very careful with my language here. not upset anyone , but the deceased will have to be identified. now very often that's officially it now. it depends the, i suppose condition of the body, whether that's feasible or a good idea. so

going to look for other things like closing personal belongings , jewellery, that sort of which perhaps the family can help with, it's going to be a difficult process for them outside that there's going to be dna perhaps and i don't know when the police went to a house, a precaution, they might taken hairbrushes. combs toothbrush and that can identify dna evidence . ultimately it would be evidence. ultimately it would be of doing analysis and taking comparisons with blood , family, comparisons with blood, family, relatives . and they can go from relatives. and they can go from there . so that's the first thing there. so that's the first thing they've got to do. secondly, there will an examination of this person and it again, i'll choose my words carefully , but choose my words carefully, but i'm sure it'll be no surprise to

there will be what's known as a post examination . and given the post examination. and given the circumstances , the coroner may circumstances, the coroner may well elect. it should be done by home office pathologist, but in any event it take place and hopefully there will be a cause of death . if it is nicola , she of death. if it is nicola, she would have been in the water three weeks and that can destroy certain things. but the it gives the police a good idea of, of what this person died from . i what this person died from. i assume from that they'll have to look overall their investigation and how this fits in what they have maybe it supports it maybe it doesn't and i hope they'll they'll an open mind whether they'll an open mind whether they go from here but identification process i've done this both inside and outside the police agency work working within the criminal justice system . it isn't pleasant for system. it isn't pleasant for anyone and i'm afraid it's just

another line of unpleasant torture for the family, but something nevertheless, that must be done and long does it usually take them for the police to release this kind of information in. well the police will be more aware that the issues are on their back and they've just set up a save. i'm sure. to put this house and that and given recent i'm sure they'll be very careful how this is and but first of all they must tell the family in the first instance so the family what's going on. nothing is a surprise in the newspapers . once surprise in the newspapers. once again, i've got say and cover this quite closely. the last few weeks in the media the people with these wild ideas just keep away and that includes retired police officers by way, i try to keep a neutral view on this and

let the just get on with it . it let the just get on with it. it doesn't help anyone and just feeds speculation and is just adds to the of the family. feeds speculation and is just adds to the of the family . there adds to the of the family. there will be a period of time it could be done pretty quickly. maybe there's something sinking difficult with the deceased is they identify so perhaps it is but the what what putting the body sent to the hospital , the body sent to the hospital, the mortuary, it may be put the coroner will be believe to be so they haven't even work from there. so we'll have to see what happens from there. and indeed, of course, follows the police investigation , painstaking work investigation, painstaking work that up to now and. hopefully they can draw a line on this pretty quickly. but we'll have to see what is what and my heart . i know everyone else is and prayers go out to the family and

is it's very difficult to know what say. but allegedly has been oh, someone has been found which might be identify how i just nicola and obviously the for the family and you know if it is nicola we don't want to be nicola we don't want to be nicola we'd rather it was nobody and this hasn't happened at all. but if it is, there will be a level closure. but it heartbreaking that this has happened and this incident is there is there anything because you talked the people doing , you talked the people doing, sleuths going in there pretending to be detectives stuff? is there anything that the police could done to the police could have done to kind of prevent or protect scene better. i know it was a wide space but in your experience is there anything they could have done ? well, they had to make done? well, they had to make these pretty quickly and it is conceivable they could have . i conceivable they could have. i roped off the area and, put some types up and that sort of thing.

i'm not sure how far that have taken that as a public bench in the park by a river. i think they will look . in hindsight on they will look. in hindsight on that one. their strategy and how information was released . i information was released. i think with that knowledge slowly to go over it because, you know, as i'm talking about this, certain issues which has caused something, a storm in the media with the public and people have voiced some concern but the situation is were in a very difficult position how to take this forward with the possibility that what they knew nicola's background was going to make perhaps the tabloids been sold to tabloids they would not have been presented perhaps in a very sympathetic way. so the hand was a little bit forced. but what they might look at is how this came about in the first place and could have been a strategy to give some

information or hold things back and they they were between a rock and a hard place and they might fail in a no win situation , but they may well look back at the media strategy. i am quite convinced excuse me from , what convinced excuse me from, what i've heard, what i've seen and the excellent police conference on wednesday this week, the place of the heart and soul and effort into this very unpleasant investigation . amos brown mp, investigation. amos brown mp, thank you very for talking to me. he's retired scotland yard detective. thank you for your thoughts . you're with me on the thoughts. you're with me on the record. this is on tv, online and on. coming up, we talking the impact of the nicola bulley case after senior politicians intervened this week. why has the case captured at the highest levels? all of that after the latest news headlines . good latest news headlines. good afternoon . this is the latest afternoon. this is the latest

from the gb newsroom. lancashire police are working to identify a body that was from the river wyre . it was located in the area wyre. it was located in the area mother of two nicola bulley disappeared more three weeks ago. they're currently treating the death as unexplained and say her has been informed of the latest development. the secretary suella braverman described the news as heartbreaking and distressing . heartbreaking and distressing. a cabinet minister , boris cabinet minister, boris johnson's intervention on the northern ireland protocol is not unhelpful. his warning that scrapping the bill would be a great mistake comes a day after rishi sunak and the european commission president said they'd made very good progress on fixing problems with the post—war exit trading arrangements. the protocol bill, introduced under johnson gives introduced underjohnson gives the uk the right to ignore eu rules and leader of the house of commons. penny mordaunt. that gives the government stronger bargaining power. think it's

helpful to remind the eu that we have the northern ireland protocol bill. it's helpful to remind them what those expectations are and. but i would also just say that, look, we there are encouraging signs that there is people are saying there's a lot more to do. but progress is being made . sir progress is being made. sir starmer says under no circumstance says will labour do a deal with the snp. addressing a deal with the snp. addressing a party conference in edinburgh, he urged scottish to put their faith in labour in the wake of nicola sturgeon's resignation . nicola sturgeon's resignation. sir keir says he can bring the change as scotland needs and the tide is turning on the tories on the snp . meanwhile, scottish the snp. meanwhile, scottish secretary humza yousaf and former minister ash regan have announced that in the race to replace nicola sturgeon as snp revealing their plans in the sunday mail, they're the first to declare their candidacy for

the contest . environment the contest. environment minister mary macallan has now said she is not standing . the said she is not standing. the finance secretary, kate forbes is still thought to be a possible contender. tv online and tv plus radio this is.

gb news good afternoon is thanks to printing 38 minutes after 5:00 this is gb news on tv and on digital radio. we the people's channel. i'm not a choir mark. let's also discuss the developments . the search for developments. the search for nicola bulley with stephen roberts, a former detective at the metropolitan police, now if you just tuned in, stephen, want to talk to you about this and the case of nicola bulley has drawn attention from politicians at the highest level with the prime minister and the home

secretary expressing prime minister and the home secreconcern expressing prime minister and the home secreconcern about expressing prime minister and the home secre concern about the ressing prime minister and the home secreconcern about the personal their concern about the personal information shared about her mental health and impact of mental health and the impact of the on on her. what do the menopause on on her. what do you what is your view on that information should or should not have been revealed or released. i'm afraid my view that we simply don't know the answer to that. the reasons why the senior investigator acting officer chose to release the may have something to do with information. other information we are unaware of that had a key impact on the investigation as a whole . so there may or may not whole. so there may or may not been good reasons why that that very personal very information released. my is that it was a misstep but sitting on the outside as all those retired police officers and indeed politicians have to be. we simply don't know the answer and it's unfair and a distract on

the investigation to come to any sort of conclusion any sort of view without actually having all the facts that the investigators themselves are that is that is fair to say. do you think that the intervention of people at suella braverman on these sort of cases is actually a bit of distraction as well? in the past that should step back ? certainly that should step back? certainly the public intervention is a distraction . the convention is distraction. the convention is that politicians do not comment or give instructions on operational police matters . and operational police matters. and there are very good reasons for that as well. not who . on this that as well. not who. on this occasion, having both the prime minister secretary and a number of other senior politicians commenting is yet another pressure on the senior investigator , and frankly, he investigator, and frankly, he can without do has more important and more urgent things on life than addressing the concern. homes secretary. it is

. common in high profile cases that there will be escalating behind the scenes, not in public about the progress of . an about the progress of. an investigation. quite common for home office officials to ring the senior investigator officer or the chief constable and be and say, well, are there any other resources that would help you to push this investigation forward faster? that in private is or can be very helpful. a pubuc is or can be very helpful. a public comment, simply a distraction . and with regard . to distraction. and with regard. to the that was sent to often the private that offered to search the river for free to and see if they can find the body because they can find the body because they said that their equipment was excellent which i know it was excellent which i know it was i don't think they got to search the bit the body was found in but that could be partly because they weren't given crucial bit of given that crucial bit of information later shared information that later shared with public about with the general public about her health issues , which her health and issues, which maybe should have been shared. do think that that

do you think that that information should perhaps have been that team who been shared with that team who were that particular job were doing that particular job for the investigation ? if the for the investigation? if the brief for that team was to search a particular of the river, then that's what they were required to do. that i'll come back again. so the knowledge and the understanding of the senior investigating officer and the control that that officer needs to have over the overall investigation , it's the overall investigation, it's so easy and seen it on this occasion for all sorts of people to think that they can be helpful and most of them are well—meaning , but to think that well—meaning, but to think that they can be helpful when in fact they can be helpful when in fact they will get in quite distract from the driver the force of an investigation. the cio simply has to manage all these things and has to make a judgement about whether or not all the information should be disclosed to a particular individual particular team. but that criticism was and i didn't read the criticism was that had they known that were other issues

that may which is potentially why the police so convinced of that assumption that she'd fallen into the river, that they would have changed the way in which they for the body or for a body or the way they conducted their search . indeed. but we their search. indeed. but we should bear in mind that this is an independent commercial organisation that has commercial imperatives as well as very beneficial public ones . i beneficial public ones. i suppose if you look there is that angle to it as well. i can hear your thoughts overall. and do you feel the police handled this the best they and in a good way because we're not we're getting reports the police even referred themselves didn't they to the complaints commission the lancashire constabulary have referred themselves not to do with this investigation as such what they referred themselves was for an encounter between police officers and health officials with nicola bulley early in january. and the

question asked there is well did everybody everything that they could have done in order to avert this tragedy. the referral is not about the investigation itself . well, of course we'll itself. well, of course we'll keep abreast of what's going on with this particular case. and as soon as we get any news, we'll everybody know what what has been happening. how long doesit has been happening. how long does it usually take for them to give us an idea to who this person who they found in the river there will be whole series of identification procedures that have to be gone through . that have to be gone through. and depending on what available and what is possible , it could and what is possible, it could take a matter of hours or it could take several days. we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that that's in all. be frank, until we know for certain the identity of the body that's been found in the river. well well, listen, it's been very good talking to you. you so much for

your thoughts. and we'll come back to you at some other time. thank you very much, stephen. i good talk you, too. good to talk to you, too. stephen all right. well stephen lewis. all right. well that was stephen roberts , the that was stephen roberts, the home secretary has also, again responded to case of nicola responded to the case of nicola bulley. about that bulley. we talked about that today braverman tweeted, today suella braverman tweeted, these heartbreak and these are heartbreak and distressing developments. my thoughts remain . nicola's family thoughts remain. nicola's family at extremely difficult at this extremely difficult time. to discuss this and time. want to discuss this and the prime minister's secrets this week i'm joined by former labour stephen pound. stephen thank you very much for joining me in the studio. why do you think this case has captured the attention of the government? i think of the sheer think because of the sheer ordinariness this ordinariness of the woman. this is a young woman, middle aged woman the off at school, woman drops the off at school, goes for walk with, a dog. goes for a walk with, a dog. it's something that resonates with everybody. but look, it's also an with everybody. but look, it's accelerating process where it becomes, know, profile becomes, you know, the profile increases profile. increases the profile. it increases the profile. it increases the profile. it increases the and increases the profile. and i whether body is of nicola whether the body is of nicola bulley or not, it's somebody somebody's family somebody's and some family somewhere is going to feel the pain. they're going feel the pain. they're going feel the pain loss. think if it's

pain of loss. so i think if it's her, if it's her, then maybe it makes it isn't, then makes closure. if it isn't, then another family be hurt. another family could be hurt. but , we had a situation as but look, we had a situation as very close to for. home me in my constituency few years ago, constituency a few years ago, had and lovely 14 year had a sweet and lovely 14 year old missing by the old girl, went missing by the brent, the the brent, which into the into the thames , ultimately into the sea. thames, ultimately into the sea. nobody where she was. she'd been jogging nobody where she was. she'd been jogging along the riverbank and huge numbers offered to search eltham park of all the areas along by the river the. but we did it with the police the police said you can walk behind police said you can walk behind police officers a police police officers on a police level event . the poor level event. the poor girl's body was under logs in in body was found under logs in in the but i then felt that the river. but i then felt that the river. but i then felt that the police should have been given some information because. the person who in fact killed himself who'd who had actually murdered was from murdered this poor girl was from a european union country. and i made some criticisms of the fact that the data wasn't shared that caused pain to the family caused great pain to the family and family said in no uncertain terms . i, as a and family said in no uncertain terms. i, as a local mp shouldn't have got involved. i shouldn't have got involved. i shouldn't have got involved. i shouldn't have made any statements. i shouldn't have actually talked changing

actually talked about changing law. made things law. and it just made things worse. it twisted the knife for them and. think my natural them and. i think my natural reaction as mp, somebody who reaction as the mp, somebody who you i lived at end of you know, i lived at the end of the young girl who died, god rest us. at the end of my rest us. i was at the end of my street. i wanted to do something, get something, wanted to get involved human involved and that's human reaction. but equally a sensible aduh reaction. but equally a sensible adult would been adult reaction would have been to and let the to stand back and let the experts the job. i think experts do the job. and i think the here, we have these the problem here, we have these great of great group of sort of rubberneckers pouring there saying they want to help. they weren't you know, saying they want to help. they vithink: you know, saying they want to help. they vllhink of you know, saying they want to help. they vllhink of the you know, saying they want to help. they vllhink of the police you know, saying they want to help. they vllhink of the police officers|ow, i think of the police officers you've know. hey, you've spoken to, you know. hey, michelle, roberts, we're michelle, mr. roberts, we're being circumspect being very, very circumspect in their i imagine their words. i should imagine a lot of officers saying a lot of police officers saying a lot of police officers saying a lot more than that their lot more than that under their breath. but , lot more than that under their breath. but, you breath. didn't help but, you know, when the dust has settled, there's a to look at in this there's a lot to look at in this particular obvious particular case. the obvious thing know, did she fall thing is, you know, did she fall did jump? was she pushed? did she jump? was she pushed? will don't forgive me will i mean, don't forgive me for saying lied for even saying because she lied when into the water. when she went into the water. all these questions need to be resolved. but right now, id is the thing. closure or the important thing. closure or a completely new case to be resolved? but above all, i think the people realise that this is

kind of vicarious business of looking into other people's private lives . it's not healthy, private lives. it's not healthy, it's not good. and i still think, i don't know the full facts. not to stop me facts. it's not going to stop me from commenting because and from commenting because most and even but i wish even ex—employees do. but i wish the hadn't that the police hadn't that information. well, she's got to young daughters. the two daughters didn't need to know that. daughters didn't need to know that . and also think if a that. and i also think if a woman suffering these woman was suffering these issues, would she been issues, you know, would she been capable of driving the kids to school, home, getting the school, coming home, getting the dog on a conference call . dog doing on a conference call. it's behaviour of it's not the behaviour of somebody in. my experience who has issues . yes. some has those issues. yes. some people would say coming back to your point with regard to your first point with regard to politicians involved, politicians getting involved, people that actually people would say that actually tends profile of tends to raise the profile of the tends assist the case and tends to assist with resources allocated with resources being allocated to it to the to it. so it brings it to the pubuc to it. so it brings it to the public eye. and the fact that someone like suella braverman overlooking seeing what is overlooking and seeing what is going that mean going on with that case. mean will the police act will ensure that the police act correctly not they haven't correctly not that they haven't and that's to say they haven't. but is that not actually for her to get . actually thing on to get. actually a good thing on this i think the home secretary

has to the home secretary ultimately said know of the ultimately said know of all the combined constabulary there is no way. i think what isn't is sort local politicians are sort of local politicians are not at that level making comments . you've got to ask comments. you've got to ask yourself is this about me or is it about them ? it about the it about them? it about the family. and a lot of people just there's this kind wishing to there's this kind of wishing to be associated, sort you be associated, this sort of, you know, ticked up know, facebook ticked up business about, you know, i want to there. to be to be there. i want to be involved. and it gets very mawkish sometimes people who you never girl were, never knew, the poor girl were, you suddenly saying, oh, you know, suddenly saying, oh, you know, suddenly saying, oh, you know, suddenly saying, oh, you know, broken our hearts. well, family that, you know, broken our hearts. wel know family that, you know, broken our hearts. wel know have family that, you know, broken our hearts. wel know have theirnily that, you know, broken our hearts. wel know have their hearts|t, you know have their hearts broken. and i think sometimes may be a bit counterintuitive. a penod may be a bit counterintuitive. a period for members of period of silence for members of parliament and politicians can be a very, very good thing . and be a very, very good thing. and i think this is an example . mm i think this is an example. mm hmm. also talked the hmm. you also talked the information that was released that you felt that that was perhaps the fact that the children. so i mean. i don't know much about these things. and i think it's very, very sad for the family. i don't know whether it may not

whether this nicola. it may not be, but you know, to me i would have thought that that sort of information you're going to release should be at release it at all should be at the , which have the beginning, which would have assisted. i that the comment was that that the family or that perhaps that the family or the a company the company, a private company was maybe saving was searching some maybe saving face you know, face by saying, well, you know, if this, we would if you told us this, we would have her. but i think have found her. but i think there is level of the police there is a level of the police were really dilemma that were really in a dilemma that because give that information because to give that information to a private organisation not to a private organisation is not sort circle by any sort of sort of circle by any sort of code of specific conduct. they are of silence and in are in terms of silence and in information is difficult do you think that they made the right call? because think actually call? because i think actually in they should have in the end they should have perhaps these people to perhaps told these people to search. let's think of an search. well, let's think of an examples. remember, the kids in indonesia were trapped underwater in what's happening today in turkey and in northern iraq northern syria. people are going that and volunteering to help you know people who got expertise cave in expertise cave rescue in actually identifying bodies people are that going to help but doing it within the but they're doing it within the context of wider rescue context of the wider rescue operation and they're also specialists and experts . me, the

specialists and experts. me, the medics from medecins sans frontieres. i it's frontieres. i think it's a different thing . i'd like different thing. i'd like to give people for their give people credit for their ability honesty of wanting ability and honesty of wanting to help and wanting to come along. this case, i don't along. but in this case, i don't think and i think the think it did. and i think the fact that were then fact that police were then almost pressured into giving this information, i think they were a huge were there was such a huge spotlight of public on spotlight of public interest on it . and i think that the police it. and i think that the police would also asking themselves the bafic would also asking themselves the basic question , you know, basic question, you know, was this accident or was it not this an accident or was it not an accident? now you and i would probably think and you're so which you didn't help which book you think didn't help bringing group bringing the specialist group giving information think giving information? i think giving information? i think giving information giving giving the information was not helpful to the specialist to anybody at that time. i think that why? because what they searched what they said the reason why he said was the reason why he searched or they searched in a certain was because you walk certain was because if you walk into that's totally different if you jump in your post you actually jump in your post or some you might if you if your intention is to take your own life, may go different life, you may go to a different rather than somewhere where you perhaps left the perhaps where she left the phone, the river which

phone, which is the river which was downstream. was running downstream. so most unlikely could have unlikely that she could have been washed upstream as a we are there. don't forget it was. not what 40 years ago. what was what 40 years ago. there's similar case. a young there's a similar case. a young man fell into the river there and was found on and his body was then found on morecambe just, you morecambe sands just, you know, further upstream. so what they would made absolutely no would have made absolutely no difference except from difference at all, except from identifying they identifying the course. they should at bank should have looked at the bank to whether were slip to see whether there were slip marks. and they should seen marks. and they should have seen that but that sort of information. but i think they did. well, no, you you rightly said that, because they didn't isolate and sanitise seat. they didn't seat. and it was they didn't know. it's most unusual. know. now it's most unusual. i mean, for just to stand on mean, forjust to stand on a riverbank and jump the water and, you know, drop their phone and, you know, drop their phone and leave their dog . it's just and leave their dog. it's just hard. but which makes me think maybe the boat the dock would have seen if the dogs would have been running around in circles for the occupants and probably jumping into the water now. and apparently neither was totally dry, why which is dry, which is why which is little bit that perhaps he didn't go in the water which she didn't go in the water which she didn't it would appear. well if the had been tied to the

the dog had been tied to the bench, have made sense. bench, it would have made sense. but don't think the dog was. but you all would come out and you know, all would come out and i just i think i want to i just i just i think i want to think effect will this have on the and think suella the family and i think suella braverman comments on what braverman comments on and what we our thoughts we used to say our thoughts prayers the family and. prayers are with the family and. i'd to that all i'd like to think that all people of goodwill, you, me, everybody thinking of everybody is now thinking of that of the that family or the family of the person. everybody has and person. everybody has found and offering possible support offering what possible support and sympathy we can give . and and sympathy we can give. and maybe period of silence , maybe a period of silence, sympathetic silence is what's needed at the moment. and if some of the people who have been obviously going to this area and trying to be detectives just stop all the we think we stop all the social we think we need to learn. is really need to learn. this is really the way to go it. need the right way to go it. we need to give for these things. to give space for these things. i think you're absolutely right. and this could a turning and this could be a turning point because this has been happening more. i can happening more and more. i can think recent cases. think of so many recent cases. and look the case of and if you look at the case of this and the baby who had supposed to be camping somewhere in know, people are in kent, you know, people are tramping place tramping all over the place trying it. maybe that's trying to find it. maybe that's a case. don't know.

a different case. don't know. i mean, this particular one, we have specific location. have the specific location. the last anybody is hordes of last thing anybody is hordes of rubberneckers up there with their and their their sandwiches and their cnsps their sandwiches and their crisps and trying crisps and, you know, and trying to their in the paper. to get their faces in the paper. it's not good. it's think it's not good. it's let's think about family. it's not good. it's let's think about family . let's think about family. let's think particularly about the two kids. it's not to a good easter for it's not to be a good easter for them. it's going be a bad them. it's going to be a bad time. and we really to be time. and we really need to be sending them positive, positive prayers thoughts can. prayers and thoughts. we can. and course, body hasn't and of course, the body hasn't been identified. that's been identified. no, that's nicola within nicola bulley. although within minute, or minute, whether it's male or female, they'll know within 10 minutes the approximate age and they will know very, very quickly from dental records. quickly from the dental records. so understand a police officer so i understand a police officer will obviously say it's going to take but, you know, take days. but, you know, certainly don't i'll certainly i don't think i'll take i think take take that. i think it'll take hours. what the stephen you hours. what is the stephen you so for joining it's so much forjoining me. it's been good talk to you and of been good to talk to you and of course our thoughts are with and if just joining as if you're just joining us as well so much for well thank you so much for joining for the programme joining me for the programme today. of course will keep today. of course we will keep updated on gb views with updated here on gb views with all the latest the nicola all the latest on the nicola bulley i will be back at bulley case. i will be back at pm don't forget pm next saturday. don't forget you up on gp app

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scotland will tend to stall into monday, it could turn into monday, so it could turn into a fairly damp and drizzly day here . north that will be some . the north of that will be some sunny intervals for the northern isles, but it's going to remain particularly gusty across shetland northern ireland, shetland for northern ireland, england and wales. it be england and wales. it will be a cloudy day the outbreak is possible perhaps for parts of harwich, northumberland . so harwich, northumberland. so temperatures could reach 56 degrees celsius, but will retain that cloud as we move into the evening period. again some drizzle is possible . the rain in drizzle is possible. the rain in the north gradually shifting its way off more into parts of the highlands and eventually clearing its way off to the isles as well. but vast majority of us will again remain frost free as we move into the start tuesday. looking to be in a fairly cloudy day for all of again, the odd glimmer of sunshine might come through, but for most of us, we will see fairly great skies into wednesday. start to see wednesday. we'll start to see this frontal system shift its way out of eastwards across the country. and that will bring in a change. our weather we a slight change. our weather we start feeling in some lovely winds so will turn brighter

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