the i not laurence fox. this is bev turner i'm on at 8:00 all week we got one hell of an eclectic mix of stories for you tonight. trust me, you do not want to miss this. as residents take to the streets in oxford to protest against the unrolling war on motorists, i'll wondering motorists, i'll be wondering about the motives of those with free their sights and free roads in their sights and asking who benefits exactly and the tragedy of nicola bulley rolls to a tragic conclusion as the body found in the river was confirmed to be hers just a couple of hours ago this was the very first high profile police

inquiry which attracted a swathe tick—tock detectives. one of the psychics drawn to the case, actually found her body in the river. so should we get used to social sleuths working social media sleuths working with rather than against the police and rolled out a genius character creator and of human behaviour or an outdated non—pc writer whose books now require sensitivity readers to rewrite the classic fiction for a more inclusive read. ready for that one? inclusive read. ready for that one.7 plus, inclusive read. ready for that one? plus, did you study latin in school? well, something has been uncovered by hadrian's. it's been re catalogued . it's been re catalogued. archaeologists looked at it for a long time, scratching their chins and wondered what it might be. it long hard wooden and it will have anybody that sees it blushing going to have to wait until the end of the show to find out what it is. but don't forget, more importantly, i want to hear from you. my panel will here moment. i'll be here in just a moment. i'll be putting your questions. them vaiews@gbnews.uk send them my way. after way. that's all coming up after the headlines with poly the latest headlines with poly

metal . bev, thank you and metal east. bev, thank you and good evening to you. well, our top story on gb news, lancashire police this afternoon confirm the body discovered in the river wyre yesterday has identified as missing mother of two nicola bulley. the body found a mile away from where nicola first disappeared three weeks ago dunng disappeared three weeks ago during a morning dog walk . she during a morning dog walk. she was found by members of the pubuc was found by members of the public and the cause of death hasn't been revealed. a police liaison officer out a statement on behalf of nicola's family earlier on. finally nikki , you earlier on. finally nikki, you are no longer a missing person . are no longer a missing person. you have been found . we can let you have been found. we can let you rest now. we love you always and always will. we will take from here . well, in other news from here. well, in other news today, the chief of devon and cornwall police has called for firearms to be reformed after an

inquest jury found people were unlawfully killed in a shooting near plymouth in 2021. five people died, including a three year old girl in a shooting carried out by jake davison . the carried out by jake davison. the inquest heard how the 22 year old legally held a shotgun but was obsessed with firearms. a lawyer for four of the victims families says there's been a catastrophic failure at devon and cornwall. police the system has hopelessly us in particular the devon and cornwall force has failed us. the evidence we have heard during this inquest over the past five weeks is a consistent of individual failures, breathtaking incompetence and, systemic failings within every level of the firearms licencing unit of the firearms licencing unit of the travelling cornwall police . the travelling cornwall police. well, it is away from home today , president biden promised more $500 million worth of aid to

ukraine, after making a surprise trip to its capital. it comes just days before the first anniversary of russia's invasion . on the 24th of february last year , mr. zelenskyy said the year, mr. zelenskyy said the visit was an important sign . visit was an important sign. support for all ukrainians. the us president said his country would stand with ukraine for as long as it takes . putin thought long as it takes. putin thought ukraine was weak and the west was divided . as you know , mr. was divided. as you know, mr. president, i said at the beginning, he's counting on us not sticking together . he was not sticking together. he was counting on an ability to keep nato united is counting on us not to be able to bring in another . the side of . not to be able to bring in another. the side of . ukraine. another. the side of. ukraine. he thought he could outlast us. i think he's thinking that right now . julia doctors in england now. julia doctors in england have voted overwhelmingly strike for 72 hours next month. over

the health secretary, steve barclay says he's deeply disappointed by their decision. the comes as more 11,000 healthcare workers from the gmb and unite unions in england and wales went on strike today in. their continuing dispute over pay their continuing dispute over pay and staffing levels you're up to on tv, online and derby plus radio. this is gb news. and in the seat for laurence fox tonight, it's . tonight, it's. bev turner. so it might be the fourth industrial revolution, the great, etc, etc. but ladies and gentlemen, take your eyes off class. stop for a moment and look a little to home. because i've worked the driving force behind the war on motorists. it's the like for a lot that jeremy irons the sexually

frustrated middle aged men in lycra they almost retired local councillors on their five grand carbon fibre compensates. there were mass protests over the weekend against 15 minute cities. the ulez expansion into greater london . the anti car greater london. the anti car movement, which is all a load of the car free cities campaign is encouraging people to leave the car behind and, help make cities cleaner , greener, safer and more cleaner, greener, safer and more for all. more accessible for all who exactly? who benefits? it's not women. it's not parents. it's not the elderly or the disabled. it's certainly not young families and. by whose definition violent crime is on precedented levels. and the london underground, the one that we are meant to use instead of our is packed with warnings and advice on what to do when someone sticks their hand up your skirts on their commute. maybe khan's daughters maybe sidique khan's daughters will chauffeured around in will be chauffeured around in range with blacked out range rovers with blacked out windows. like . the locks

windows. but i like. the locks on car doors. i the fact that on my car doors. i the fact that my daughters don't always have to wait at a bus stop if they're leaving a friend's house after dark, cleaner and greener. well, any us who live near the road any of us who live near the road closures, which force to creep along a few main roads. no, that is nonsense. you don't need read the 2021 imperial college study into ulez expansion to know that pollution is actually worsened some areas and access for all who this could only have been dreamed up by someone squeezed himself into tight shorts in the morning. have any of these people ever tried doing the school run by the supermarket whilst collecting the dry cleaning or dropping off food? it's an elderly relatives try doing that . the rain on a stupid doing that. the rain on a stupid bicycle with three kids in tow. we might have come a long way, but it's still mainly women, quite literally carrying this extra burden and can't fit all this in some poncy panniers . this in some poncy panniers. those peak districts car free

trial weekends will thrill the blokes who the feel of a carbon fibre saddle the morning they will swoosh along the tarmac, imagining that they're 25 again, waving goodbye to the mums and kids who need nappies raincoats, wellies, picnic, blanket and other paraphernalia for a day out. so it's fair to say that although i too want clean air and waterways right now, the war on the motorist feels rather a lot like a war on women and children. do agree. let me know. one man who might tell me i'm wrong is julian bell, former labour leader of ealing council . good evening, julian . thank . good evening, julian. thank you very much for joining me. you're brave for coming on this show. you are the man who put up lots wooden roadblocks. let me guess. lots wooden roadblocks. let me guess . you are a cyclist . so guess. you are a cyclist. so i do. cyclists is true. you go back. but i also drive a car when i need to and i also believe in public transport as

well. i used to buy used the elizabeth line and i try to walk as well. so i've i think if i can be so bold as to say that was a slightly hysterical reaction to low traffic adverts that you've written. let me tell you but let me tell you why i am hysteric about this. and julian , as i say, this is falling on predominantly women , young predominantly women, young families, teenage kids, the only people who feel safe cycling more often than getting in a car are generally blue folks, older blokes who like to cycle, who don't have the responsibility, and the paraphernalia real life. surely you understand so many people like me are exasperated , people like me are exasperated, so i've got grandchildren, i've got daughters with children. and so i do understand those

challenges that young families have in getting their children to in the morning and doing all those things that they have to do, taking them to their ballet or whatever it may be. but there are ways of doing that in a sustainable way. and we do have to look at and reassess relationship with the car . to look at and reassess relationship with the car. and i don't think you might be i know. but what you're making us do, what you're making us do is reassess the relation shape that our children have with freedom. it's no exaggeration to say it's about the freedom to get them off their screens, get out to their activities. it's hard enough. i live in west london in fact, my brother lives in the area where you were put wooden flower boxes, the end of roads. exactly. so i know what that area is like in west. a area is like in west. it's a night map. why? when you say we have solutions, what does that look like? us 7:00 trying to get down the force brentford leisure centre how do do that ? so yeah,

centre how do do that? so yeah, there are 30% of our journeys are short journeys that could actually be done either walking or cycling and that you don't always have to get into the car frankly. and that's what this is primarily about, about trying to get people move to more sustainable and healthy ways travel when they don't need to and often times small journeys to. the local shop around the corner or to the school just down the road , they don't have down the road, they don't have to be made in a car. you can walk. you don't have to be. i know that. don't have to be. but i want to do it in my car. and that's all right. the car is a radical symbol of and freedom and it is disgusting that people

like me that just want to take our families to activities are being told to walk at 6:00 on a rainy pitch black wednesday night, when it's hard enough to get the kids to go to swimming club anyway. how are we meant to do it? a bus walk is just not feasible. you mean everyone's going to be sat at home? well, again , i think. i think you're again, i think. i think you're overreacting , to put it mildly . overreacting, to put it mildly. essential. so some i'm not overreacting. i just try to do the things moms have to do in the things moms have to do in the evening. i guess you have never had to do that , like low never had to do that, like low traffic . i've done lots of traffic. i've done lots of school runs and lots of ballet runs , and i understand. but the runs, and i understand. but the presumably to stick them on the map for you by going to school and lots of walking as well as well as in a car but let's this out of the way now low traffic neighbourhoods not stop anybody from going where they want to go . you can get to where you want to go. you may have to do a long

road journey. sometimes when you live in london you don't have time. it all already takes me half an hour from chiswick to get hammersmith. i it doesn't work and you can't do that. and parents are exhausted. and grandparents are often doing this, helping out with childcare. it's totally unrealistic to say just just walk some realistic it's not rooted in in reality and it's all well you're painting this with brush and saying that all journeys are of such length and such a nature that you can only make them by car. i don't accept that there are lots , lots of that there are lots, lots of journeys , 30% of journeys are journeys, 30% of journeys are very, very short journeys, which could happily be done and easily be done by either walking or cycling or scooting. children love to scoot and essentially

what you're doing is saying, well, i don't care any of the wider issues that low traffic neighbourhoods address they address the climate crisis , they address the climate crisis, they address the climate crisis, they address the climate crisis, they address the obesity crisis . the address the obesity crisis. the nhs is spending billions on fighting obesity . child fighting obesity. child addresses the obesity and being able to your children off to the school and you can in london it is just completely and all the big cities not realistic to come home from school at 5:00 on the bus to then say right kids your coat on i know it's snowing . coat on i know it's snowing. doesn't matter. we've got to scoot to netball, which is all the way up the a4 in australia. i can't do that. and the problem is the teams in my area have actually made the journeys longer . there's actually made the journeys longer. there's more actually made the journeys longer . there's more pollution longer. there's more pollution i'm spending more time in my car. the woman who runs the netball team that my do at the moment, she's almost had to give up because all of those families

from ealing, from act and from chiswick from west london and i know this is repeated in cities the country we can't get because the country we can't get because the so bad because the traffic is so bad because everyone's onto everyone's been forced onto these roads. i these main artery roads. and i can't help but thinking it's blokes know we're blokes who don't know what we're deaung blokes who don't know what we're dealing made these dealing that have made these decisions as well . again, the decisions as well. again, the evidence doesn't prove that. certainly within elton's the amount of traffic is significantly reduced . the significantly reduced. the number of accidents , low traffic number of accidents, low traffic neighbourhoods is significantly reduced . in london it was shown reduced. in london it was shown to be up 50% reductions in accidents without the ends. they also enable more people to cycle and walk and frankly , if there and walk and frankly, if there is an increase in traffic on on boundary roads, it's not very significant and in some instances isn't there at all so you have to let things settle down and have to allow people to change their travel behaviours and they will always settling

down, change their travel behaviour views. it's this language that is what makes people upset and it's alienating and there is no doubt that we have to do things to have cleaner air, cleaner water. we all share that. but the speed and the determining ation with which these low traffic are being pushed through is meaning that a lot of people are very much now pushing against sort of ecological ambition. and it's just backfiring is backfiring is so ways. but listen, you are a brave man. i appreciate you coming on. i appreciate the debate . i might come and have a debate. i might come and have a coffee with you in. ealing and i could do this face to face and really be hysterical. appreciate your joining really be hysterical. appreciate yourjoining us this morning, this evening, julian bell this morning. you why i said morning. do you see why i said that? normally on at that? i'm normally on at 10:00 in of course, here in the morning. of course, here on news, it is the evening, on gb news, it is the evening, right. coming up, we have some tragic news, of course, evening about the bulley case. about the nicola bulley case. we're looking into we're going to be looking into the circumstances, the unusual circumstances, the situation panel who will

situation with my panel who will going to be here me in the going to be here with me in the studio. go anywhere .

welcome back. this is bev turner sitting in for laurence fox week all week at 8:00, you've been getting touch with your views about that interview i just did with poor guy from ealing with the poor guy from ealing council used ealing council. used to be ealing council. used to be ealing council. i bet you wishes wasn't after that. karen has said, i wholeheartedly agree that the rules based on rules for cycling are based on men's to what men's decisions relating to what would i dropped would work for them. i dropped a fork kids to school morning fork kids to school this morning at visits as part of my at his home visits as part of my jobs. how i have done home jobs. how could i have done home visits carrying all equipment visits carrying all my equipment on in the rain up and on a bike in the rain up and down hills? deborah says, down the hills? deborah says, what about the disabled? do they have housebound? absolutely have stay housebound? absolutely it's i think it's a conversation that i think we're to continue to have we're going to continue to have on right last wednesday, on and on. right last wednesday, lancashire warned lancashire police warned the pubuc lancashire police warned the public to stop playing detective after social after claimed that the social media significantly

media sleuths significantly distracted . the investigation of distracted. the investigation of the late nicola bolly. over the last few weeks, police stated that an influx of speculative reports and of public reports and members of public conducting investigation had conducting an investigation had diverted . the diverted the attention. the police potentially wasting time and resources. police potentially wasting time and resources . armchair and resources. armchair detectives took it to the next level with this situation from researching online to actually physically retracing and this evening it was revealed that a psychic is claiming to have found the now body of nicola bulley in the river wyre. so can self sleuthing really be justified in cases such as these will hayes discuss this with me is former deputy head to the met commissioner stephen roberts good evening stephen. it's a difficult one this isn't it because. the reason i wanted to discuss this tonight is because it genuinely feels like first time we have seen and the first if anything, i think it's always of debate. it is the first time we've seen a high profile case, a police investigation that was complete utterly infiltrated and

swamped by social detectives . swamped by social detectives. how significant do you think this will be going forward ? we this will be going forward? we literally have to change the law around this now . literally have to change the law around this now. i'm not at literally have to change the law around this now . i'm not at all around this now. i'm not at all sure we need to change the law, but i think you're quite right this is a significant change signal by this case. i think it's all but certain that the training for future senior investigating officers will include far more about media management . and in particular management. and in particular i'd the new aspect of this is managing the what we might call the official media radio print, printed media, but also managing social media. this is the first time where that has been a really distraction . and there really distraction. and there will be lessons to be learned about how that can happen. but what's wasn't some of those lessons might be now , but it

lessons might be now, but it needs a thorough review . what needs a thorough review. what actually happened and the decision that were made and the reasons why decisions were made in the investigation in response to social media. but stephen do you think it was a distraction ? you think it was a distraction? did it in any way help police? i mean, it's been reported the couple who who found body tragically of nicola bulley the river he was one of the psychics now we're not sure we can bestow his to that particular talent but of course that person happened be there at the time walking the river because they were attracted to this. do you foresee a time maybe the police have to work with these sorts of people in some sort of official capacity capacity ? the police capacity capacity? the police will always have to and want to work with members , the public as work with members, the public as part of the media strategy for. any major investigation like this is how do we get useful messages out to the public to and reach out to that one person, perhaps, who has just that little bit of information

that little bit of information that bit of evidence? they might not even know that they have it and all the work that went on around looking for dashcam footage is a good example of that , but footage is a good example of that, but there's a balance to be struck between using the media to get that message out and to seek additional evidence and. media working only to its own prior ties that then distract the investigation. it's well, they are a distraction . well, they are a distraction. some cases it nicola bulley is family statement . they actually family statement. they actually said we tried to take in what we had been told this is last night only to have sky news and itv making contact with us directly when we explore . lesley asked when we explore. lesley asked for privacy. the family. interestingly criticising the established media as opposed to the social media sleuths. that's unusual. oh they established media has not been blameless in all of this. i mean, we saw the well, frankly disgusting article

one newspaper of all things, criticising , raising the one newspaper of all things, criticising, raising the hair and the dress of the senior investigating officer . now that investigating officer. now that is irresponsible and offensive frankly and a distraction i'm sure the lady in question was is far too to take too much notice of it but it simply doesn't help when somebody under stress and responsible for a major policing operation. yeah absolute . okay. operation. yeah absolute. okay. thank you very much. former deputy. head to the met's commissioner, stephen roberts. let's see what my guests make of this tonight. i'm delighted dominique samuels here and dominique samuels is here and also to absolutely run to cops on my panel. ladies is so nice to have you here. honestly right. let me come to you, dominique . i know you both very dominique. i know you both very difficult to offend as you are. right. we're going to come. we're going to on to roll doll in a minute. i won't be allowed we're going to on to roll doll in sayiinute. i won't be allowed we're going to on to roll doll in say and a. i won't be allowed we're going to on to roll doll in say and dominique,e allowed we're going to on to roll doll in say and dominique, you'vezd to say and dominique, you've obviously been watching this case you your case carefully. you have your own youtube channel, your own network. it's not on youtube, is it? channel? is it it? where's your channel? is it on? adipose on youtube.

on? well, adipose on youtube. also ghetto on gets her on also on ghetto is on gets her on youtube. are youtube. okay. so you are somebody that your own somebody that creates your own content. are publisher content. you are a publisher effectively well , a effectively as well, a commentator. could you see yourself using or can you relate to the motives ? the people who to the motives? the people who went out there with that cameras to this story through their to get this story through their own eyes? yeah. i mean, you have a yeah, of course. i think you should always remain sensitive regards to the family because it's very situation. this it's a very situation. but this social media suit's trying to solve the case is absolutely nothing new. it's a whole industry on talk, on youtube. there are whole channels dedicated to these of stories. so the idea that there needs to be new laws against it, i think is ridiculous. is it they know his story cases, though, you know , there are some great know, there are some great podcasts out there looking back at cold cases , this was surely at cold cases, this was surely the first time a current active police investigation. do you don't think so? no. like there was even a case in america that my mom was really attached to the case of a missing boy. and

she was really actually engaged and, really captured by that ongoing . so it really is ongoing. so it really is a regular . and ongoing. so it really is a regular. and when you broadcast a story like skye and itv , done a story like skye and itv, done perhaps wrongly, all over the media, there's so much coverage you will inevitably get people to want to solve it. and i think you raised a good point actually about the psychic who actually found nicola. if you know, it wasn't so present in the media. and if people weren't so engaged , who knows? she may have not been found. perhaps why such a negative reaction sort of been conjured with these social media sleuths? because perhaps the police embarrassed, police feel a bit embarrassed, maybe should. the trend maybe they should. the new trend , poll on social , of course, poll on social nicola bulley partner gave a down interview to the media to keep this in the press. he's then also , as we said, to then also, as we said, to criticise sky itv for the handung criticise sky itv for the handling of it. can you see it from the point of view? those who have got youtube? this one guy i was looking at you might normally get 200 views on his videos. how 250,000 views on his

youtube walking around the youtube video walking around the site this showing you site with this photo showing you the you the path. the bench showing you the path. yeah, i know, look, firstly, yeah, i know, but look, firstly, condolences family . condolences to the family. absolutely. news but i've actually found it sick and it's not just, you know, more when you tik tok and all of you go on tik tok and all of them they've given their them and they've given their opinion. the bizarre opinion. it's the more bizarre the that doing for the opinion that doing for clicks i find it sake actually so wrong. do you think it was i saw today i don't know why came my algorithm and it was oh that someone was dressed like a as a decoy and the most silly the theory and more conspiracy the government during the trying to do this and they're getting more clicks and i think it's sick this is a mum she's been missing and she's now been found and i think it's disgusting and people at home my sisters, one of them sitting at home while she was that did this and he did thing do you know these she's offended whether this might be what do you mean she was actually is what i read she was drinking and influences people so what you know what did it kind of it

blurred the line between reality and fake for a lot of people no thanks rude and what's a polite it was just disgusting this is someone's daughter like everyone just that's not needs the police to do job the problem was the police didn't look like they were doing their job it looked were doing theirjob it looked like they were just failing and they weren't doing enough and they weren't doing enough and they get the area. so they didn't get the area. so people like to get on and have a look and get involved . but you look and get involved. but you forget this is a go on, forget this is a person. go on, dominic, because of course people be monetise it people they will be monetise it is a monetizable career option. yeah no, i think personally obviously i've not at all on it because it's just not really my place. and i remember was scrolling and i came across an article where someone was commenting on, you know. is she or she in the river. or isn't she in the river. i think is in the river. and think she is in the river. and it felt to me so personally, i really engage. engage, but i think that you sort of reap you sow when you some analyse things and sort of create character out of someone like the have done

with nicola you're inevitably going to get people that are engaged but also you know, just factually you know it is quite a strange it is it is a disappearance in terms of even how she was found where she was found it's really nothing. is that strange? i know we talked a little bit because is it not just the case? the bodies found them? it's not that strange. they just didn't look. then there she is. and well, not that strange . it's maybe. i mean, strange. it's maybe. i mean, i don't really. i don't like speculating because of how raw is. yeah same time, you know the were extensive searches in the river people were extremely sure that she wasn't there and now she's in the reeds even though people have out and said that they looked then she wasn't there. so i think it is quite strange but i suppose yeah things will just have to develop. absolutely i think it does raise an interesting cultural shift like a it is a paradigm shift . radiance has paradigm shift. radiance has a how these these huge events will be viewed by the public and by those at home. when everyone has an a an iphone can become a broadcaster. right. thank you,

ladies. good start. now coming up, to be taking up, we're going to be taking a look at latest edition to look at the latest edition to the long list of the the long, long list of the cancelled the sensitivity bngade cancelled the sensitivity brigade wonka brigade coming after willy wonka and giant . brigade coming after willy wonka and giant. find and james and the giant. find out off the break. saving .

three welcome back. now the squadron , welcome back. now the squadron, the offended in their mighty wisdom, entirely unprompted, have come to the decision that roald dahl's legendary books do need rewritten. the target need to be rewritten. the target audience of which doesn't seem to clear . do you to be entirely clear. do you know who's by know anyone who's offended by words tiny specifically a reference to the unplanned post? or perhaps words like boys and girls ? i don't know anybody that girls? i don't know anybody that would by that, but would be upset by that, but puffin books have made the decision so that the books can continue to be enjoyed by all today is what they have said .

today is what they have said. this, i feel, is a bit of outrage on behalf of who ? outrage on behalf of who? dominic samuels. i'm not sure . i dominic samuels. i'm not sure. i mean, feel puzzled. face they're thinking what is she talking about ? you do know what i'm about? you do know what i'm talking about but it is puzzling. it i mean , it's puzzling. it i mean, it's puzzling. it i mean, it's puzzling. it i mean, it's puzzling. i mean, on whose side the people that are censoring all the people that are outraged. well, i don't think anybody outraged by anybody is genuinely outraged by it by changing. no i don't it by story changing. no i don't think people are outraged by the idea that could call augustus fat. all right. exactly we don't know of anyone. that's expressed any concern about . the content any concern about. the content of the books on. personally, i think it's an extremely sinister move. i think it's a censorious move. i think it's a censorious move because when you pick apart pieces of literature, it's no longer that person's piece of work . and that's the point. and work. and that's the point. and this is the problem with this woke taking culture is it seeks to suck the joy , the creativity to suck the joy, the creativity and the unique of everything good. so everything so

everything has to be uniform has to be said. we need everything i've said. so no offend anyone. i've said. so no offend anyone. i don't need it. just let me finish. it doesn't even make sense. so let's take augustus , sense. so let's take augustus, for example. we're not allowed to call him a nine year old boy, but we're allowed to call him an an almost nine year old. he's enormous . clinton politically enormous. clinton politically enormous. clinton politically enormous. it might be that he's very that he has very big bones. no listen, it is it's not being offended. language changes , offended. language changes, society changes . roald dahl's society changes. roald dahl's books have always adapt . people books have always adapt. people are more fat now than they ever were. but we need to change what i do say , according to his i do say, according to his books, are kind of when you read them, they are horrible . you're them, they are horrible. you're not the one who wrote them, but these are for children. but you're not the one who wrote them. no, no the one with the tell all book to write the book. and reinforces stereotypes. and it reinforces stereotypes. you crazy mental you can't hold crazy mental issue. you've got to change. yes, i can't know you crazy now

, but this point i know i don't because i think you need to adopt language and according to an attempted vehicle this is for children i know to me. okay i agree language has to change to reflect reality. there are words around race that we would people have casually in conversation that we would all now find unacceptable. that's not acceptable . the differences , acceptable. the differences, right? hey, new for book if you want to describe it as the woke generation, write a new book. don't mess around. surely with the original book we talk all the original book we talk all the time . it's a class i taught the time. it's a class i taught in school you. it's a classic. you didn't write it, you know you don't. you don't even you didn't write it. you don't have roald dahl's talent i'm not being let's not make it personal . no, we would not take the with teeth and it's not horrible. it's not personal it's a fact. you didn't have the talent write those books that are entirely to

have been enjoyed by millions of people for years. there's a reason why children's books let me know why you finish on the page. let me finish. i got hung. going to finish when. i was a child. guess actually got me into reading in the first place it's my mom bought me a whole collection of roald dahl books james the giant peach , the james the giant peach, the twist. great. donny the champion of the world. these were books that opened me up to a completely new world today. how do up with slaves do i come up with black slaves i have to take back. they were all right the approval of roald right with the approval of roald dahl these movies , they dahl, say these movies, they were almost home full of black slaves had to what they really, truly are is . this just i don't truly are is. this just i don't if they changed that there's no concept creativity no one's to please let me give you an example, ladies . me give you an example, ladies. me give you an example. so in the witches right, the witch, he's a brilliant, brilliant book. the paragraph explaining that the witches a bold beneath their ends with the line . there are

ends with the line. there are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs , and there women might wear wigs, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that. hoo hoo ! he and then the that. hoo hoo! he and then the school of the witch . no, because school of the witch. no, because this reinforced this time. no you know, i think there were many never change. that's never changed your own book that is if it sells as well as it does it, worked very well because there's nothing special about teach bad words in school. they're not bad. well but listen, in terms of in terms of enforcing there are lots lots of ways in which sterry types all reinforce that don't often it is often women are receiving end of simple stereotypes but i don't think the witches wigs is stereotyping somebody having chemotherapy in isolation someone's mum could be having chemo. just got a wig on set. mum's a witch who is. having chemo. just got a wig on set. mum's a witch who is . oh we set. mum's a witch who is. oh we can't allow this in the playground unless smaller

changes. playground unless smaller changes . you're not changing its changes. you're not changing its arms obviously . changes. you're not changing its arms obviously. this is not the prophecy you mentioned. but you mentioned the oompa—loompas. they big how does that they big angel. how does that have to do with slaves? because it was originally was just just gender neutral has to do with slavery because its inclusivity let people feel that the point is the point is and the reason why this is so dangerous is because when you produce a piece of art. now, know people that of art. now, i know people that are woke don't understand how to do this because their are just boggled how every single boggled by how every single person on the planet can be offended by something random but you a piece of you actually produce a piece of art. and when someone writes a book, how you identify that person on the artwork is the start of writing and if you take out style of writing, it's out the style of writing, it's longer piece that longer that piece and that person's worry about person's of art. i worry about a kind of vanilla world that we're living in where nobody but have to always be second guessing whether someone's going to be upset you say the upset by something you say the majority of it's kind of majority of people. it's kind of obvious. so i with this information we talk to the of people already are they all

mindful the people's feelings mindful of the people's feelings and we are polite generally . i and we are polite generally. i genuinely that the genuinely believe that the general people don't wish to go around people . but if around offending people. but if you you know, picture you can, you know, picture scenario in which you might be reading the story to your children at night and you kind of laugh about the fact it's so outdated . like i like to read outdated. like i like to read the twits my i loved the twitter when i was young. i also read his books and i remember reading that to my kids and it's ugly people are horrible people. that's not nice . i don't want my that's not nice. i don't want my kids okay so i know. kids that so. okay so i know. but they so we go we go but they say okay so we go we go please evil. we all read them. we all read them we don't we all read them and we don't think that's do see i think that's do you see what i mean. we've been raised on mean. we've all been raised on books online. we think, books online. we don't think, okay this is okay people think this is a piece of artwork, see case. it's a horrible thing to say, but we may know crazy and mental. we're talking about mental health and talking about mental health and talking about mental health and talking about you fictional reality. no, it's a book. children impressionable . you children are impressionable. you know, it's funny . like the books know, it's funny. like the books are meant to be funny. oh, they

are meant to be funny. oh, they are funny. come on. the hilarious books that used to have racial flares were funny back in the day. they said, it's funny. it means not. that's a reflection on me they were reflection on me that they were reacting so now reacting to me. so now we change. you don't. when you change. no, you don't. when you erase past and arrange erase the language, past, erase language, the past, you erase all of , the past. and all memory of, the past. and that's dangerous that's why it's dangerous i don't get your books put in. we need to be teaching the right thing. okay. all right. well oc girls, is that offensive there's a lot of naked. we've got a naked flame, you and me tonight. there's a lot there's a lot of cheap satin in this by keep it temperature down, we might go up in flames, you and i. now, coming up and objects found at hadrian's wall dig site has been reassessed steady boys the reassessed steady boys is the oldest wooden can i say that word ? i put it it's a i can say word? i put it it's a i can say i can't say that . 10:00 in the i can't say that. 10:00 in the morning dr. rob collins , senior morning dr. rob collins, senior lecturer in archaeology at university, will be on top of that one. i didn't write this and got £2,000, but legendary sex and relationship advice .

sex and relationship advice. it's who don't go anyway it's going to get a bit weird minute now .

welcome now some stories come along that just make your eyes water this is one of those imagine being archaeologists at hadrian's will dig in the earth with trial to happen upon a few or arrowheads and all of a sudden out pops a giant ancient sex toy , the oldest wooden one sex toy, the oldest wooden one ever found, in fact. and dr. rob collins, senior lecturer in archaeology at the newcastle at newcastle university, dr. pam spurr, sex and relationship expert, are here to tell all about it . rob, good evening expert, are here to tell all about it. rob, good evening . i about it. rob, good evening. i believe you. you are the gentleman came across this item . i right.

gentleman came across this item . i right . well, it was found 30 . i right. well, it was found 30 years ago, but so not using . it years ago, but so not using. it wasn't me. but my colleague was working on the archives of vindolanda came across this object and he's an expert in ancient wood and i the expert in roman dix apparently so we combine forces to study this object . okay. so what was its object. okay. so what was its origin really catalogued to us, rob , what are the prudes in 99 rob, what are the prudes in 99 one when was it 1996. what did the prudes think it was. what did they put it down in their archive . well, they put it down archive. well, they put it down as a darning tool, which is a sort of tool that you use for sewing. you know . but the other sewing. you know. but the other thing is they found it you know, it's the sort of thing when you're an archaeologist you, you pull something out of the it's a bit mucky and dirty. you don't always know what it is. so you kind write. you think it kind of write. you think it might be on the sheet of paper, you and you i don't think you and you know, i don't think anyone really a close

anyone really gave it a close look from it was originally look from when it was originally discovered. come on. discovered. okay if can come on. come they definitely took come on. they definitely took one look at it. i'm hoping we've got a picture of show our got a picture of it to show our audience because you take one look and can be left look at this and you can be left under no illusion. we can't quite other end of it, quite see the other end of it, which perhaps we possibly can which is perhaps we possibly can give away a bit. so they looked at this they said oh, this at this and they said oh, this is this a darning tool. is a this is a darning tool. some archaeologist wrote some awkward archaeologist wrote it more. guys it down and then more. you guys have look at it and got have had a look at it and got come on, we know what that is because the were no because the romans were no strangers symbols strangers to phallic symbols were they know they were all over the place in roman times in paintings, on faces , you know, paintings, on faces, you know, carving statues , little pendants carving statues, little pendants you would wear for good luck . you would wear for good luck. you know, they're pretty common throughout the roman empire . throughout the roman empire. okay, so just tell us exactly where was it found? what how how big is it ? where was it found? what how how big is it? well, it's about six and a half inches long. so not enough to do this item . sorry. enough to do this item. sorry. carry yourself together . it's

carry yourself together. it's been a trial today , i confess, been a trial today, i confess, but it's about six and a half inches long, so it's within life size parameters . i think we can size parameters. i think we can say . and, you know , it's where say. and, you know, it's where it was found is in a ditch outside of a room for apparently is rubbish. so we didn't have any clue from where it was found . it's not like we found it in some soldier or some woman's bedroom or in the kitchen or anything like that was it was just in the rubbish so we've had to kind of interpret what we can from the object and i know many of these i have you have you have a file of you have you in your own experience. do you know this sort of seem fairly plentiful and there are actually pictures in hadrian's wall there of penises like drawn into the wall that. yes. yeah so we can't match that the map . so there are match that the map. so there are carvings of phalluses all around. but and we know from roman art, we know from literature that they use . so literature that they use. so

it's not shock that they use them. you know, if you're into roman history and past, you know, they're about but we've never found in archaeological example and what's tricky we can't say for certain that this is a delta it's one of a range of different things that could be. but the fact that we can say might even be a actually really kind of exciting you be right. i'm going for no, thank you so much rob forjoining me rob collins pam to pam spurr is here i'm just i'm exposing for being a giggling idiot here because we're talking about roman sexual toys but the romans were stranger they were very comfortable with their sexual sexuality in a way idiotic modern women like me get all a bit nervous about. you're absolutely right the romans were very comfortable sexuality and theyitin very comfortable sexuality and they it in so many ways and i wanted to say throughout human

development there has been an increase in say curiosity and celebration of sex and pleasure now we can do better than that. roman wooden sailors , if you go roman wooden sailors, if you go into a german cave, paintings and into german palaces , 28,000 and into german palaces, 28,000 year old stone bone phallus was found in a german cave, along with erotic cave paintings . and with erotic cave paintings. and they know it was a phallus because depict the cave pictures and depict footage, the use of , and depict footage, the use of, how a phallus would be held . so how a phallus would be held. so that's 28,000 years ago. and then get along to the chinese years they used to make jade . years they used to make jade. and other at a very fine , fine and other at a very fine, fine materials. so it was very much for the wealthy classes enjoyed such pleasure and it was the same in, in sort of ancient where they made wonderful out ivory that was said to be silky

smooth . and of course the smooth. and of course the indians, they , the kamasutra, indians, they, the kamasutra, you know, that was like 1800 years ago. and when you think of the definition of kamasutra it meant sex pleasure thread like a thread we talk about on twitter so they had a thread about sexual pleasure which we think of as a book. but now there's so many examples. the of as a book. but now there's so many examples . the victorians, many examples. the victorians, let's move forward to britain. this is exciting the victorians had not only rubber , but they had not only rubber, but they electrical machinery that was to help who had supposedly history . priya, as they used to call it , to have and cure their hysteria . and then they would hysteria. and then they would warden's made even fancier electrical implements . some of electrical implements. some of them are quite scary looking. beverley well, i got cold, hysterical , my first guest this hysterical, my first guest this evening, maybe this a solution to all my problems. dr. and tell me, can you imagine why in 1992

when the original archaeologist found this artefacts, why put it down as a darning to kind of awkwardly i guess the stove have in a drawer and talk about awkward darning with something that size. i mean i can model it but maybe that person was naive, maybe were shy you know , who maybe were shy you know, who knows why they might have recorded it that way, but certainly most of us who are interested , these things, you interested, these things, you know, will speak openly , know, will speak openly, honestly . the other thing i want honestly. the other thing i want to mention is, course, the greeks, the you know, compared to the romans , there was always to the romans, there was always this vying for between the greeks and romans and the greeks preferred wooden phalluses with leather kind of like rigging. and the day, you know, vibrators have things like rigging in some of them for extra pleasure . and of them for extra pleasure. and the greeks recommend using olive oil to lubricate them so they going to find in modern

lubricants and natural lubricants and natural lubricants . oh, dr. pam spurr, lubricants. oh, dr. pam spurr, what a way to kick off my first night doing the 8:00 show. i really hope my kids are in bed, otherwise my just have some really awkward conversation. so i was not there to witness you so much forjoining this so much for joining this evening. oh oh one followed up. well if you go on tonight. oh my god . beth, what? what are you god. beth, what? what are you doing to me? can you stop using the d word? some people will pay good money. that kind of chat, the v word at this time of night. now that was interesting .thank night. now that was interesting . thank you very much . night. now that was interesting . thank you very much. big show ahead. we've got laurence fox near oliver calvin mackenzie on the way plus really digging into what the lancashire police got right and wrong in the nicola bulley investigation. okay thank you so much that right that sounds like a brilliant that explains where laurence fox says oh come on maybe face on with you anyway. can't wait. i'm going to be here for the rest of

the week. thank you for joining me. i'll be on the tv tomorrow at 10:00. the best today. but next, here's your weather. hello name's ayres and welcome name's rachel ayres and welcome to weather update to your latest weather update from met well is from the met office. well is going be a dry day for many going to be a dry day for many with sunny spells around with a few sunny spells around and remaining quite mild and remaining still quite mild and remaining still quite mild and most the settled weather is due to this high pressure. it's still around across most of england wales, they're looking england. wales, they're looking further north. have got some further north. we have got some weather that try to weather fronts that try to push in through monday and into the start of tuesday. just bringing us outbreaks of rain and us some outbreaks of rain and drizzle end the day that be drizzle to end the day that be some of light rain and some outbreaks of light rain and drizzle mostly over west and upslope as well through this evening otherwise it's going to be dry quite cloudy so be a dry night quite cloudy so temperatures are going be temperatures are going to be remaining mild again remaining pretty mild once again with to no frost around with little to no frost around for start of tuesday. it's for the start of tuesday. it's going to another start to the going to be another start to the day tomorrow . little in the way day tomorrow. little in the way of brightness to start the day with outbreaks of rain across the far north of scotland . and the far north of scotland. and these could be heavy at times with freshening breeze as well with a freshening breeze as well it's got be feeling pretty

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no spin, no bias, no censorship . i'm dan wootton. and breaking tonight lancashire police have confirmed body found in the river wye yesterday is that of missing 45 year old nicola bulley lee. her heart broken family have paid tribute to the special mother of who was the centre of our world. she was the one who made our lives so special and nothing will casts a shadow over that . we'll have shadow over that. we'll have reaction to this devastating developments the show at 1020. i'll joined by diving expert peter faulding as he hits back at being made the scapegoat for what he believes are the police's failings . live police's failings. live alongside former met police senior detective simon harding who i'll ask how could nicola be found just one mile from where