iii. yet no one seems to war iii. yet no one seems to care. well, i got to tell you, i do. we'll talk about that hotel in liverpool more protest took place last friday night. they've been almost unwrapped , sorted. been almost unwrapped, sorted. and me on talking points and joining me on talking points , mursi, an immigrant , mohammed mursi, an immigrant to done to this country, he's done really rather well , involved really rather well, got involved with politics, not with conservative politics, not without a little bit of controversy. he he's got controversy. he thinks he's got a plan to clean it up for the future. but before all of that, let's get more news with polly middlehurst . nigel thank you and middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. well lancashire police today confirmed the body discovered in the river wyre in lancashire has been identified as the missing mother of two nicola bulley. the body was found about a mile away from where nicola initially disappeared. three weeks ago dunng disappeared. three weeks ago during a morning dog walk. it was found by members of the public. was found by members of the pubuc.the was found by members of the public. the cause of death has not yet been revealed. and the police liaison officer read out a statement at a press

conference earlier on today on behalf of nicola's family. finally nikki , you are no longer finally nikki, you are no longer a missing person. you have been found. we can let you rest now. we love you . always have and we love you. always have and always will. we will take it from here . when i got the news from here. when i got the news today , the families of people today, the families of people killed in a shooting spree near plymouth in 2021 have spoken out against the investigation . five against the investigation. five people died, including a three year old girl in a shooting rampage by 22 year old jake davison . today, the inquest jury davison. today, the inquest jury said the victims were unlawfully killed . the inquest heard how killed. the inquest heard how davison legally held a shotgun certificate and had an obsession with firearms . but a lawyer for with firearms. but a lawyer for four of the victims family says there's been catastrophic failures . a devon and cornwall failures. a devon and cornwall police . the system has police. the system has hopelessly failed us in

particular. the devon and cornwall police force has failed us.the cornwall police force has failed us. the evidence we have heard dunng us. the evidence we have heard during this inquest over the past five weeks is a consistent story of individual failures , story of individual failures, breathtaking incompetence and systemic failings within every level of the firearms licencing unit of the devon and cornwall police now and is away from home. president biden today promised more than $500 million worth of aid to ukraine after making a surprise trip to its caphal making a surprise trip to its capital. it comes just days before the first anniversary of russia's full scale invasion. mr. zelenskyy said the visit was an extremely important sign for all ukrainians. the us president said his country would stand with ukraine for as long as it takes. with ukraine for as long as it takes . putin thought ukraine was takes. putin thought ukraine was weak and the west was divided . weak and the west was divided. as you know , mr. president, as you know, mr. president, i said to the beginning , as you know, mr. president, i said to the beginning, he's counting on us not sticking

together . he counting on us not sticking together. he was counting on an ability to keep nato united in is counting on us not to be able to bring in another side of . to bring in another side of. ukraine he thought he could outlast us. i don't think he's thinking that right now. god knows what he's thinking. i don't think he's thinking that . don't think he's thinking that. and lastly here, junior in england have voted overwhelmingly to strike force 72 hours next month over pay . 72 hours next month over pay. the health secretary, steve barclay says he's deeply disappointed by their decision. the british medical association's announcement comes as more than 11,000 healthcare workers from the gmb and unite unions in england wales went on strike today in their continuing dispute over pay and staffing levels. that's the latest news for now. we're back in an hour now for ash .

now for ash. well, as ever, it's the conservative radicals dominating the news . rishi sunak's deal the news. rishi sunak's deal with the european commission on the northern ireland protocol when he went to belfast on friday. the dup don't seem to like it . what if he's got like it. what if he's got anything to do with the european court of justice? there'll be a huge backbench rebellion within . his own party. i have to say on trade, if the green lane for goods between the mainland and northern ireland genuinely was a green lane, maybe there there is some for compromise, but we'll see how it all works out. big irony , i thought boris johnson, irony, i thought boris johnson, the man who openly lied to the people of northern ireland, who cast northern ireland out in a different arrangement. now he did it . he did different arrangement. now he did it. he did it arguably to save the rest of the uk from being forced into the customs

union and the single market. but for boris, the man who did that, now to come back, compete to save europe, northern ireland was an irony . save europe, northern ireland was an irony. i found quite tough to take over the weekend andifs tough to take over the weekend and it's pretty clear that there were some games going on within the conservative party. damian green, former deputy prime green, a former deputy prime minister up until 2017. damian green has effectively been deselected for the new seat of weald of kent. why? well i think he was seen to be one of the most prominent pro carbon marketeers and an anti boris. so i wonder, are the conservative party about to plunge themselves back into an internal civil war? let me know what you think. farage gb news .uk. let me know what you think. farage gb news .uk . but tonight farage gb news .uk. but tonight i want to start off exploring a different subject. ten years ago, as i led a rebellion, an insurgency from ukip, i was by the london upper middle classes to be completely and utterly

beyond the pale. i was a complete and utter peasant, not somebody you would ever invite around to a polite dinner party in notting hill. and i was demonised for it, for having a view that was different to the establishment, which is why i'm so enjoying seeing what's being done to lee anderson . he, of done to lee anderson. he, of course, is the labour councillor. he's a conservative member for ashfield and he's now a deputy chairman of conservative party and boy , is conservative party and boy, is he getting some stick. leigh, you, you're taking great pressure off the rest of the forum. i mean, i feel a lot better now. well, let's be honest. you're working last yeah honest. you're working last year. northern europe hasn't. you go to the opera, you don't even go to the opera, do you? the last time i do you? well, the last time i went the theatre to see went to the theatre was to see the brothers. so the chocolate brothers. so that's does my i think the editor of the times wouldn't approve. mean i mean , approve. well, i mean i mean, that followed career, that followed your career, obviously, past obviously, over the past decades. and i see the abuse that you get . and i think while that you get. and i think while he's got some broad shoulders, how he do it? and then, you how does he do it? and then, you know, a years know, fast forward a few years taken similar sort of abuse and

the last two or three weeks have been absolutely torrid. been absolutely just torrid. torrid and like you said, i've got broad shoulders . nigel, it's got broad shoulders. nigel, it's not so much. affects it's not me so much. it affects it's my dad, my family , even my mum, my dad, my family, even my mum, my dad, my family, even my get in touch for me my friends. get in touch for me to are you okay with seeing to say. are you okay with seeing what is what they've been about? is a lot lies . they're going into lot of lies. they're going into my village. going into my village. they're going into my village. they're going into my going into my my towns, they're going into my pubs questions. the old pubs asking questions. the old lads work with on the lads i used to work with on the pitch, contacts them via pitch, the contacts in them via facebook asking them, you facebook and asking them, you know, story know, questions. any bad story about. yeah what do you know about. yeah what do you know about him and you can imagine my pit mates, the sort of response they get from them they're they get from them and they're there's a word there's normally a two word response. one's got action at the there. so, yeah, it's the end there. so, yeah, it's just it's been relentless , mate. just it's been relentless, mate. yeah. the cartoons as a cartoon. we're going to show you those watching on telly. you got them for been threatened for copyright on been threatened by dont for copyright on been threatened by don't do by the guardian. we don't do that. we don't care. and of course, you've talked about the death penalty you talked about things that. listen, i was things like that. listen, i was similarly lampooned with cartoons . i similarly lampooned with cartoons. i wonder , is it you or

cartoons. i wonder, is it you or is this just what public life is ? do you think you have do you think that having exceptional go at you. yeah, they because as you nigel, it's no secret. you know, nigel, it's no secret. i was a labour councillor. i worked for labour mp. gloria works for you. the studio , so works for you. the studio, so i'm sort of political public enemy number one for the labour party. they want my scalp, they're not having it. i will fight. they know. well, what are they of this cab because they scared of this cab because my , you know, i've been my back, you know, i've been that working class person from the from the north and the midlands, from the north and you that and you go over to that place and you go over to that place and you struggle to find a labour politician. mp that's politician. labour mp that's actually had a real job in the real that's they're real world, that's what they're scared of. they're, they want to be working class areas. and, you know, one know, i'm struggling to find one that's held down that's actually held down a proper job, you know, that's actually held down a properjob, you know, and with proper job, you know, and with those northerners. yeah, those thick northerners. yeah, well, say, carter ends up well, as i say, carter ends up being we're going to put that them. we don't care about copyright anything like that . copyright anything like that. lee, you know death penalty, food banks, immigration taking over they benefits cheat red

meat from 30 pay i would hate you know why you know why you they're having a go but let me ask you something . why do you ask you something. why do you think rishi sunak made him ? think rishi sunak made him? because it came really after the brexit and all of these places and looking for a career in in and looking for a career in in and out of parliament and my needsis and out of parliament and my needs is all for me , i guess, needs is all for me, i guess, you know , since i've been there, you know, since i've been there, that was really at the heart position, the connection between between government , position, the connection between between government, amongst the electorate and the membership and suppose all the typical conservative for the first time in 2019 the generation made the day, you know , you don't for day, you know, you don't for many, many . yes although it is many, many. yes although it is so exaggerated and it's as if

he's he's like one of those executive women. but it is it's probably the thing that you or you believe you believe in. could be his family and perhaps his work contract. oh, yeah. all those qualities that the ability, which i believe to absolutely be in the though the upper echelons of your party have a very loose relationship with all using you all are using you to say the right way you don't need to go to reform or anything else. you'll stick with it. the tories , because we've it. the tories, because we've got to play well. but are really here's my question . are you here's my question. are you really representative of what the conservative party is? well there's one thing, nigel, the labour party would never prepared me. i'm prepared prepared to use me. i'm prepared to be used by the tory party. i, you know, i trust job is a you know, i trust this job is a real honour privilege. i'm serving my country. i love serving my country. i love serving country. believe serving my country. i believe you. know that what say you. and i know that what i say and what think is what the and what i think is what the vast majority of british loving people actually think. but i

myself feel i said it in the air and over in that place over there. but i want to keep saying it. i'll keep doing it. and if people are using me so well, you know, i to bed at night and i put my head on that pillar and i know i've done my for my community and my control of the flag. i love the air of the royal family our armed forces, our police, our security, you know, i love know, a football team i love that this country. and, that about this country. and, you know what i always say to people that this country of ours has a gift to world, and has been a gift to world, and i'll that. surely i'll stick by that. what surely not terrible imperial not are terrible imperial policy. all be ashamed. policy. we all be ashamed. surely of everything that went before in nation . before in this nation. absolutely not. should never absolutely not. we should never be. never be held be. we should never be held accountable for the sins of our. like i say, nigel, if go back like i say, nigel, if i go back in railways, you know, in time, railways, you know, industrial revolution, this country the world, country as gifted the world, we'd years behind on this we'd be 50 years behind on this planet it weren't for great planet if it weren't for great country can you country of ours. can you take the yesi country of ours. can you take the yes i can take the the heat? yes i can take the heat. i'm like i say, when they start calling me names and know these silly cartoons. nigel i want to know coal mine. you

know, the abuse you got down a coal regardless , it was coal mine regardless, it was just daily. it was our it was the minute the constant abuse and these just took it, you know, because war meant good for you now the policy itself you know i mentioned in my little talk damian green talk and damian green effectively for effectively been selected for the weald kent very the new c weald of kent very much , a one nation, much a remainer, a one nation, a very anti boris johnson boris now you know and i mentioned that earlier too i pretty clear with this conservative democratic organisation there is a there is still a significant number of in the conservative party that want boris back as leader . do party that want boris back as leader. do you think he's going to return before the next now mean you know there was a big fan of boris in 2019. he got elected. it was boris brexit and jeremy corbyn as you know this cdo what we talk about this this organisation i'd never been to a meeting don't what meeting i don't know what they're but i mean they're get up to but i mean it's not been spoken about in the groups i can tell the whatsapp groups i can tell you nothing. in you that for nothing. i'm in a different whatsapp group, but this of nigel this past couple of weeks nigel

to be honest, is felt a bit better over there for our party. i'm going guess. well, i'm going to guess. well, i guess what i'm not saying about damian being disliked. so former deputy minister. deputy prime minister. yes, yes he that that he is. but i mean that that constituency has been think constituency has been i think it's been split still not made a new been changed. yes. so new it's been changed. yes. so 70% was damian's. yeah. 30% was a new one. so it's up to the executive to the members. i believe can go the membership believe can go to the membership now is an interesting now in, that is an interesting choice that lives in choice given that he lives in that of the constituency that part of the constituency that part of the constituency that it is. we've that splitting it is. but we've no be you know no divine right to be you know to select no, no, no. that's to be select no, no, no. that's absolutely true. i'm just observing. yeah. you know what is on? out against is going on? i came out against in end over the pincher. in the end over the pincher. i debacle, but i've just unanimously elected . can't see unanimously elected. can't see him coming back. no i don't want him coming back. no i don't want him . the cricket meadow again in him. the cricket meadow again in london . that's fantastic. what london. that's fantastic. what against the wonderful seleka? i would love boris to go against sadiq khan and be the mayor of london again . will your party london again. will your party stop the boats ? yes. we've got stop the boats? yes. we've got new legislation coming . think in new legislation coming. think in two weeks. something i've asked

for. nigel, you know this. i know that when you arrive on our shores illegally in a small boat and i went to cali a few weeks back and did some work, and you met our. and care for calais. oh, yeah, i met them. okay, they shall be sent. you said they were as bad as a trafficker. they're worse. they're worse because. money out because. they rinsing money out . british public, the . the british public, the unsuspecting british public donated of pounds to donated millions of pounds to care kelly. and they're the care for kelly. and they're the final in the whale. the final cog in the whale. the final cog in the whale. the final leg of the journey for their to their enticing people to northern now want their enticing people to no get rn now want their enticing people to no get to now want their enticing people to no get to calais now want their enticing people to no get to calais that now want their enticing people to no get to calais that they're/ant to get to calais that they're coming in. and the worst part for me, nigel, is once they arrive, these young men and they're africa in this they're all from africa in this camp once they get camp, we saw them once they get here they the hotels. here, they go to the hotels. care for kelly waiting for them in hotels to walk them to in the hotels to walk them to the parliament. and i've seen i've seen them on nando. i've seen on beach at seen them on the beach at dungeness, how they got packages and they if and all the rest of it. they if you will, pass which you are now deputy chairman and i can't believe it either . but deputy chairman and i can't believe it either. but you are yeah. if your party doesn't stop

the boats and if illegal migration running at 50,000 a yean migration running at 50,000 a year, you're toast aren't you ? year, you're toast aren't you? well, we're going to have some problems at the next election. i think we know that. i mean, my party has admitted that it's for me stopping the boats is the number we've number one priority. yes. we've got to fix the economy. yes, we've got to bring inflation down. the boat, it's down. but the small boat, it's millions and millions pounds down. but the small boat, it's mday.1s and millions pounds down. but the small boat, it's mday. we nd millions pounds down. but the small boat, it's mday. we recognise|s pounds down. but the small boat, it's mday. we recognise that. )ounds down. but the small boat, it's mday. we recognise that. nowis a day. we recognise that. now i've banging on about that i've been banging on about that for in place for three years in that place over there called me over there they've called me a fascist, called a, fascist, they've called me a, they've called racist. i'm they've called a racist. i'm not. i my country. and you not. i love my country. and you know, when i go to bed at night i want i want to sleep tight in the knowledge that borders the knowledge that our borders are secure. we all lock the doors to bed, doors at night. we go to bed, all us. if we do that for all of us. if we do that for reason, we don't want reason, because we don't want unwanted into our unwanted visitors going into our property, same with our property, it's the same with our borders. anderson. thank borders. lee anderson. thank you. can him or you. well, you can love him or hate but i tell you what, hate him, but i tell you what, he's not going to be ignored over the course of the next couple of years. it's going to be wild ride. gosh, i'm be a very wild ride. gosh, i'm enjoying i can't tell enjoying this much. i can't tell you. moment, talk you. in a moment, let's talk about biden's to ukraine and

let's talk about a very serious escalation of today, escalation of language today, including talk of a potential world war three. i'm worried the old almost nobody even old thing is almost nobody even wants about it .

this friday marks first anniversary of the russian invasion of ukraine and unannounced us president joe biden. yes president number 46 turned up in kyiv earlier on today. let's just you a little snapshot of what he had to say . snapshot of what he had to say. putin thought ukraine was weak and the west was divided . as you and the west was divided. as you know, mr. president. i said to the beginning, he's counting on us not sticking together . he was us not sticking together. he was counting on an ability to keep

nato united is counting on us not be able to bring in other side of . ukraine not be able to bring in other side of. ukraine he not be able to bring in other side of . ukraine he thought he side of. ukraine he thought he could outlast us. i don't think he's thinking that right now . he's thinking that right now. god knows what he's thinking. i don't think he's thinking that . don't think he's thinking that. well, that was joe biden speaking earlier on today. well, that was joe biden speaking earlier on today . a speaking earlier on today. a very interesting visit, supported home for continued aid towards ukraine is beginning to wane. being doubt about that. today's financial pledge was $500 million. welcome of 100 billion plus they put in already . that's a very, very small amount of money. all controversial such as crimea were conveniently avoided. all that really surprised me is he boasted about the number of times as vice president that he visited the country. i would have thought with all the questions over his son's

business dealings there, they wouldn't necessarily have been all that wise . but the all that wise. but the controversy came a little bit later in the day, and this was president zelenskyy of ukraine talking to the well, the german newspaper saying if china sides with vladimir putin . in world with vladimir putin. in world war three will have begun an extraordinarily joseph burrell , extraordinarily joseph burrell, who's the eu's foreign affairs minister , said the chinese minister, said the chinese support for russia would be a red line . so we have biden on red line. so we have biden on the one hand saying we're all so unhed the one hand saying we're all so united behind ukraine. putin thought we were weak, but we're strong . but actually we've got strong. but actually we've got senior political leaders in the world talking about the prospect of world war three. i am alarmed. i am concerned. i think

this consensus view that we must give ukraine whatever want, including boris johnson , who including boris johnson, who thinks the entirety of the r.a.f. should be sent to overnight. i think we're not having enough debate reason and balance on this subject with martin, with a historian and commentatorjoins martin, with a historian and commentator joins me. martin, with a historian and commentatorjoins me. martin this talk of world war iii that is coming from zelenskyy, i mean, they're trying to stop the chinese helping russia, i guess . i think so. i think what's happening with the us statements with ukrainian statements is in a sense saying to don't do it . a sense saying to don't do it. and i personally think we're more likely to see the chinese attempting to introduce some kind of peace talks than we are likely to see them giving open support and ammunition and weapons to ukraine. because i think the chinese are as concerned about the situation as anybody and. they cannot stay that they have obviously backed

russia, but they are not happy with the situation. they are not happy that impact on the world economy. they're not happy about instability, basically they instability, but basically they cannot be seen to be criticising the russians. i think we're the russians. so i think we're more to see them suddenly more likely to see them suddenly try to us unawares with some peace than we are peace suggestions than we are weapons to russia. i feel i might be wrong to effectively we've got the chinese supporting putin. yes, we've got america supporting zelenskyy but there's been no talk of peace talks whatsoever. none what so ever. and this to me is the interesting part . zelenskyy interesting part. zelenskyy keeps saying, we take take back all territory. it doesn't just mean the donbas or the landbridge. he means crimea as well . i landbridge. he means crimea as well. i mean, there's been no conversation about this. surely, surely that would be risking escalation and, a huge weight, certainly. i think of the bitter ironies of the situation is that vladimir putin has created a situation which is diametrically

opposite to what is to his own advantage . couple of years ago, advantage. couple of years ago, ukraine would not have accepted the loss of crimea, but would have somehow to live with it while negotiating . they would while negotiating. they would not have accepted the loss donbas, but they would kind of learn to live with it, perhaps while they would negotiate now with the blood and suffering that's happened since february the 24th, 2022, we now a situation where ukraine is completely legally incapable, understandably , of countenancing understandably, of countenancing the loss of those areas and in many ways not be a putin has created the situation himself because he's also areas that he is completely incapable of losing , having carried out losing, having carried out referenda in the donbas. this for putin now existential. yes, it is . he's correct this himself it is. he's correct this himself because as i say a couple of years ago we might well talk about this but the moment it's just impossible for ukraine to talk about loss of any sort of sovereignty territory after all the suffering but vladimir putin has situations here has created situations here which simply cannot lose on.

which he simply cannot lose on. so he has created an impasse for everybody, which is very difficult as long as he remains in the kremlin. how many difficult as long as he remains in the kremlin . how many years in the kremlin. how many years this last. good question he is clearly can taking on the west losing resolve russia does i don't think that will be the case because clearly that is concern in public opinion over the rhetoric example within germany elsewhere . but i think germany elsewhere. but i think actually that west has dug in for the long run. and the question is, has russia i mean, i think we will see perhaps increased mobilisation, perhaps calling people back to the colours, but that will make increase slowly unpopular across russia because that will spread the load of casualties. so he has bet the farm and his bet has called oh he's bet the farm but it would look. thank you for joining me. well, let's be joined by major general tim cross, retired senior british army officer . tim, thank you for army officer. tim, thank you for joining me this evening. army officer. tim, thank you for joining me this evening . very joining me this evening. very

welcome question for you. we've sent , you know, huge amounts of sent, you know, huge amounts of kit. we've artillery shells , kit. we've artillery shells, we've sent anti—tank missiles, about 10,000 of them. we've sent military vehicles. we promise to send a few tanks. i mean, the british army hasn't got many tanks. these days. boris johnson seems think we should send the entirety of royal air force and we now europe have a shell crisis . yes. i think for the crisis. yes. i think for the first time since 1915. can we afford major general to go on giving this level of support in military . well we can afford to military. well we can afford to go and do it and we need to go on doing it. the issue is how do we backfill all of the stuff that we are providing ? ukraine that we are providing? ukraine one of the issues over the last few years is that we have fought wars of choice and we have denuded ourselves of the logistics support, war fighting , major warfighting operations .

, major warfighting operations. and for me, the critical mass of the army, for example, is the ability put a sustainable divisional size formation into , divisional size formation into, a warfighting scenario, and be able to support that for at least, say, six months. that requires a lot of stuff. as somebody once said, without suppues somebody once said, without supplies , no army is brave. now supplies, no army is brave. now we've been giving lots of suppues we've been giving lots of supplies to ukraine and i don't have a problem with that. but the bottom is we are reducing level of our own stocks of logistics and other things , too. logistics and other things, too. so we've got to put ourselves into a bit of a war footing. we've got to up the production lines, got to start that lines, we've got to start that partly because, i mean, there is an argument to say that what we're fighting, what we're seeing, that seeing, a proxy war, that ukraine are going to do all the fighting certainly to fighting we certainly need to provide stuff and we are provide all the stuff and we are not going to end up by having to fight this war ourselves. that's a dangerous assumption. not saying going to saying that we're going to be putting ukraine any putting troops into ukraine any time but i agree the time soon, but i agree with the previous speaker, martin, that this is going to a long,

this is going to be a long, drawn affair. and we have no drawn out affair. and we have no of knowing how this thing is going to go is not going to walk away it. president away from it. president zelenskyy, who obviously we've all amount of respect all got a huge amount of respect for, obviously talks up for, obviously also talks up what needs to happen. you know he's not going to give up his territory and so on. but the idea that ukraine is to retake all of territory, all of their territory, including the crimea, you including the crimea, as you were i just think were just saying, i just think is going to happen. putin is is not going to happen. putin is not to walk from this not going to walk away from this well, to lose a second. well, no, no to lose a second. no, no, no. i i agree with you. i think the idea of retaking crimea is wholly unrealistic. and yet it's very much the stated view of president zelenskyy so a from you , do we zelenskyy so a from you, do we know what we're coalescing around ? no no. is the short around? no no. is the short answer other than we're coalescing around the fact that we don't . russia, in inverted we don't. russia, in inverted commas , to succeed. now, what do commas, to succeed. now, what do we what do mean by success? what do we mean by winning, losing and forth? are part of this and so forth? are part of this

broader we are we broader debate. but we are we are rightly coalescing around the idea that we cannot allow russia to take hold of ukraine andindeed russia to take hold of ukraine and indeed then take other things, too i mean, moldova has beenin things, too i mean, moldova has been in the news quite a bit recently and other things too. what does that look like if there big and there's there is big issue and there's not that much debate, not been that much debate, actually, why debate in the media and elsewhere about what we by that. i mean, we mean by that. i mean, president in for president biden, we're in for the haul. and i'm not the long haul. and i'm not suggesting he's in any suggesting that he's in any sense disingenuous. sense being disingenuous. but you to say we weren't in it you have to say we weren't in it for the long haul enough going to weren't in it for to start. we weren't in it for the long in iraq. what does he mean, long haul? you know, you have be clear. we not have got to be clear. we are not going we're not going to going to we're not going to start war three. to go start world war three. to go back, one of your headlines, over four provinces of ukraine. back, one of your headlines, omean, r provinces of ukraine. back, one of your headlines, 0 mean, r provinc honest kraine. back, one of your headlines, omean, r provinc honest about. i mean, let's be honest about this. hope you're this. well, let's hope you're right. yet in a president right. and yet in a president zelenskyy you said earlier in this little that we admire him for his courage , his bravery, for his courage, his bravery, his leadership, his and indeed a very articulate man, and yet for him to say to a german media

outlet that if china starts to support russia, its world war three wasn't that highly irresponsible . well, i don't irresponsible. well, i don't agree with him, but i don't in a way, i don't blame him for saying it. he has, you know, remember we're talking about politics here as much as practical reality. he has got to a profile that says to a public profile that says to the west as a whole , you have the west as a whole, you have got to stick with us on this. and if china comes in on russia's side, is obviously russia's side, it is obviously going make things more going to make things more difficult. actually difficult. i mean, actually china in is a longer term china in itself is a longer term strategic threat. somebody once said that russia is like bad weather. china is like global climate change. and i think there's truth in that south china what we're doing in china sea, what we're doing in africa elsewhere. china africa and elsewhere. and china and got and russia, of course, have got this sort of agreement that there is no to their friendship . now, don't think that means . now, i don't think that means china send people, china is going to send people, but send material but will they send material support quite possibly? well, will it lead world war three? no, i don't think so . will it lead world war three? no, i don't think so. but i do not blame president zelenskyy

for ensure that the for wanting to ensure that the west a whole stay with west as a whole does stay with him on this does him the him on this does give him the ability to continue the fight, both in terms of defensive operations, which is what effectively seen over the last year and to be enabling him to year. and to be enabling him to conduct sort of offensive conduct some sort of offensive operation. this coming spring, you know, into the summer or whatever. well tim cross, thank you for thoughts. thank you for joining me . like you, i'm joining me. like you, i'm actually more worried long term about china that i about president putin. thank you very much indeed . president putin. thank you very much indeed. in a moment, we'll talk about what happened at that hotel in liverpool . happened hotel in liverpool. happened again last friday. we'll show you some scenes . anger is really you some scenes. anger is really mounting mounting .

so your thoughts at are the tory party about to tear themselves apart once again with , an

apart once again with, an internal civil war. stewart says war. no, it's just how they know he operates . another says not he operates. another says not one prime ministerial will exit the european convention on human rights , secure the and end the rights, secure the and end the nightmare and give us lower taxes. there's not a single concern in the bunch. wallace said he walked. there's one man who believes in all of those things. his name is lee anderson. he was in this chair just a few minutes ago. dean says what does it matter? they've lost the next election. whatever happens . and finally, whatever happens. and finally, ryan and i think quite perceptively , ron says , no, this perceptively, ron says, no, this is a war for brexit. the rejoinders have been manoeuvre since the appointment of chairman hunt. now the brexiteer faction fighting back. there's a lot of truth in that, ryan, and i think the selection effect of the selection of damian green, who was our deputy prime minister just six years ago.

ministerjust six years ago. i think that's all about brexit and boris. yes, the bees are there. the policy is still horribly. now, last week we talked about prevent the government funded programme to stop terrorism in this country. there was some revelations last week that nearly 80% of the referral calls to prevent were from right wing extremists , as from right wing extremists, as opposed to potential jihadi extremists. but more has come out. talk about what the farage moment. yes prevent. in one of our reports suggest that programmes . yes, minister. that programmes. yes, minister. that programmes. yes, minister. that programmes like the thick of it that works of literature such as the complete works of shakespeare , the canterbury shakespeare, the canterbury tales , films like the dam , films tales, films like the dam, films like zulu and indeed michael railway programmes, yes , they railway programmes, yes, they are all in danger of encouraging far right sympathies and when

these programmes up, they're like captions that appear online using the name nigel farage. and the report links me . oswald the report links me. oswald mosley. it's quite utterly extraordinary . what in god's extraordinary. what in god's name are we doing? putting tax money into organised actions like this that have been by the extreme left. it's time to defund, prevent completely. friday week back, you saw the protests up in knowsley outside the hotel. concerned parents account approached asked yobs turning up. well this weekend. jeremy corbyn was in town with joanna anderson, mayor of liverpool, on the saturday. but on the friday night, 200 people from knowsley turned up outside that hotel again , just got that hotel again, just got a flavour of the anger of looking after our daughters and our

children . we want safety and children. we want safety and we've also got to see you're protecting these babies simply out there, protecting the kids in the strikes . down these far in the strikes. down these far right, these are ordinary labour voting families in merseyside . i voting families in merseyside. i tell you what, this has only just started yet. there's been almost no coverage of that demonstration last night. we're headed for some very , very headed for some very, very difficult times. in a moment, be joined by immigrant successful rich, honourable tory donor mohammed bazzi. all of that on talking points in just a sec .

it's talking points. i'm joined mohammed mirza. navid, welcome.

thank you. talking points. good to see you. pleasure to be here. now, you're from kenya originally. i was born in mombasa. yeah now what an earth would make somebody come to this awful , racist, nasty , evil awful, racist, nasty, evil country . but we keep. i keep in country. but we keep. i keep in the guardian. how dreadful britain is to everybody. so how bad. was it for you coming here? it was not bad at all. it was good. it was not bad at all. it was good . the one best thing that my good. the one best thing that my parents and grandparents did was push me to come here to get higher education and i never and they never regretted one second of it. and call this country racist , or at least some people racist, or at least some people do. i have not experienced any form of racism in anything that ihave form of racism in anything that i have done in this country. from the time that i first came here, this is a country that allowed people like myself be enabled to be empowered to be

engaged. enabled to be empowered to be engaged . and it is what i would engaged. and it is what i would like to for my children and my grandchildren. it's a great country. it's interesting, isn't it? the same people that condemn as being racist at the same people that condemn lee anderson who was the sort of there's an element of self—hatred . this element of self—hatred. this country isn't there ? so, yes, country isn't there? so, yes, there is. but it's a it's a very minor cross section of society. and should not read that as being the view held by. people like me, who came from distant shores and made a success here. so many of the uk and asians made the success here so many of the people from the subcontinent made it a success here. so many people from the west indies made it successful here. they are british through and through the opportunities they got . they opportunities they got. they would never have got back home and they know it. so you come here, you get a good education, you qualify in law , but it's in you qualify in law, but it's in the whole telecom sector that

you make your fortune. yes. is that because it's been deregulated ? the internet's deregulated? the internet's coming. how do you how do you go from being a well—educated, young man to becoming quite a rich man? so i was a lawyer , rich man? so i was a lawyer, specialised in corporate finance , mergers, acquisitions . and it , mergers, acquisitions. and it just happened that some friends that i knew got into positions of corporate power or corporate executive lives in large telecom companies . and so they decided companies. and so they decided in the first instance to use my skills in doing deals, papering deals. and then i saw myself , deals. and then i saw myself, instead of wanting to paper , why instead of wanting to paper, why don't i be the dealmaker and get somebody else to people deals ? somebody else to people deals? and that got me going and we set up an impressive shop new york where the internet was just off valuations done on the basis of eyeball . can you valuations done on the basis of eyeball. can you imagine at that

time and companies that started up in six months you could take pubuc. up in six months you could take public . and so it's all public. and so it's all a question of being in the right place at the right time. yeah it's a funny one, isn't it? because make your own luck to a certain extent in life. and if you don't take a chance, you're never going to do it. and yet some people are just you say they're in the right place, at they're in the right place, at the right time. it's partly judgement , the right time. it's partly judgement, but luck has something to do with it somewhere. oh, that's a very interesting question, which i've asked asked asked myself and i've asked other people if they had the choice, would they rather be smart or lucky? yeah the university academics will say they'd rather be smart , but they'd rather be smart, but other they say they'd rather luck on their side because if they have luck on their side. and they make money, they can hire people. well this is, of course, what the aliens said . me course, what the aliens said. me lucky generals, that's all he wants. it was luck. sure, sure . wants. it was luck. sure, sure. you go on and you make a lot of

success. but you also mix in some pretty extraordinary circles . you know, you mix the circles. you know, you mix the sort of the kofi annan's and of course, as he was as prince charles. but he's now out king. sure. so tell me about your with the king. so let's start with kofi annan. and you mentioned first i thought he was a great statesman and he and i spent time at the blavatnik school at oxford and other places discussing some of the that the world was likely to face. and one thing that he and i discussed at or two things we discussed at or two things we discussed was one, how to remodel security council of the united . because at the moment united. because at the moment and at that time and now is basically an organ that has paralysis it can because of the veto but because the veto power. absolutely. so how do you change that? and we spent time discussing because we said extend the membership and change

the voting power so that only very very few things require absolute unanimity. very very few things require absolute unanimity . and the absolute unanimity. and the countries that were being ianed countries that were being invited or considered to join were brazil , invited or considered to join were brazil, india and germany. and within europe at that time. for france to give up its seat, the u.k. to stay because the u.k. was representing the commonwealth. so we spent a lot of time discussing this. and academics got involved in drafting paperwork . the second drafting paperwork. the second thing is article 5 of the treaty of nato . so i've written an of nato. so i've written an article that got published by the policy research the foreign policy research institute . it's the 75th institute. it's the 75th anniversary of the of nato next year. anniversary of the of nato next year . and we have to change year. and we have to change article 5 because it is out of date. it doesn't apply in a cyber warfare context , in cyber warfare context, in a biological warfare context. and it only applies to military conflict. but the of the future will not be russia, ukraine. would you say that although it's pretty remarkable to see trench

warfare, that's going on? i mean, here's this balance isn't that we want to get across that we want to get on across the world. but do you believe in national sovereignty? do you believe vote? so believe in the brexit vote? so on it's interesting. on brexit, it's interesting. i have wavered on it, to be frank. one side of me from the business world says that there is always value in optionality . and by value in optionality. and by that what i mean is it took 44 years or whatever the timeline was to get to where we were and should we be destroying all of it in the space of one or two years, or are we likely to regret it not because of how we see it here, but events that are outside our control? so do we want to have that optionality of at least retain some form of relationship or this or be so that listen, it's a huge debate. i know. i know. and the purists would say absolutely not. if you want to go and become and if you are sailing , want to go and become and if you are sailing, you need to lose sight of the shore . if you want

sight of the shore. if you want to get to the next shore, because if you're not going to lose sight of this shore, then you will never get to the moment. it's plagued the conservative party. this issue , conservative party. this issue, i mean, actually for 50 years. yes our relationship of europe andifs yes our relationship of europe and it's plagued labour, too, at different times. you've you've i mean, you know, you're a controversial figure. you might want to that why do you make money in russia and alleged links with pwd or people that are friends of putin all of that. there's been a lot of controversy certainly around you as there always is publicity is how would put it, not how i would put it, not controversy. we discuss controversy. but we can discuss it. mean, we could argue that it. i mean, we could argue that round the houses , but you have round the houses, but you have been somebody who's given you and your partner, but you've given significant sums of money to the you've given money to many things, but to the conservative party, you were right there in it. you know, you were a member of a big donors club. you paid were a member of a big donors club. you pai d £100,000 to club. you paid £100,000 to have breakfast boris johnson. breakfast with boris johnson. was a good breakfast? i never was it a good breakfast? i never had it in the end, and they refunded money. they decent

refunded money. they were decent enough could not enough to say we could not deliver promise because of covid 19. we know partygate . but 19. now we know partygate. but at time we did not know. at that time we did not know. partygate so the thinking that he not entertaining. so he was not entertaining. so here's your money back. but let me make other point about me just make other point about king charles. so i had the privilege of serving as a trustee on prince's trust international, one of his charities that replicates what prince's does abroad and prince's trust does abroad and i was the chair of mosaic sorry of the british asian trust, which is the british asian diaspora programs there. and i was a board member of mosaic. i have great respect and, great admiration for our king because the amount time and the vision and, the dedication he has had on charity is phenomenal. and i want him to do well. absolutely. we want him as well. we want him to do the greatest. the fondest memories was six years on the boards. no no, no, no. you got a very long cv, actually. getting back to the conservative party, you you've given the money. you

work with, you've been part of quintessentially ben elliott's organisation . i mean, have you organisation. i mean, have you ever been offered a pay orange for money? i have not been offered. and honestly, i would not it even if i was given not take it even if i was given it as of now, a i'm too young that position and be way that it works is it in a way handcuffs you because i'm a free spirit , works is it in a way handcuffs you because i'm a free spirit, i still feel that i've got energy left in me and i want to do so. but it is going on this stuff, isn't it? i'm sorry. this stuff isn't it? i'm sorry. this stuff is going on. it is going on the guardian actually did the research that i spoke about in my interview last that 17 of the last 18 treasurers of the tory party are in the lords. it's, it's not a coincidence. no. so are you are you minded to go on giving them money or not. so i've changed tactics a little bit . you know when you start bit. you know when you start first. so i had a choice , but i first. so i had a choice, but i was told, can we have some money from you? you're now resident in the uk and are part of the fabnc the uk and are part of the fabric of society here. and i

said, i want to give money where i can make a difference . so is a i can make a difference. so is a big difference because there are people who say, i to give money and i want some things right. i said , i want to give money, but said, i want to give money, but i want to do something. well, i'm delighted . i want to do something. well, i'm delighted. mahama i want to do something. well, i'm delighted . mahama they i'm delighted. mahama they haven't corrupted you yet, but yeah come back for yeah. but they'll come back for you, what i've done is i've you, so what i've done is i've chosen last year, after all this newspaper articles broke out, that i'd rather support the mp on the ground who are campaigning using your donations to individual individuals rather than hq. because that is a black hole. i don't know where that money goes and what they do. with my sense before . you were with my sense before. you were in the house of lords. you've got a lot more to do, you? yes, i want to do a lot more. i want to i don't want to retire. on that note, thank you very much and have a been joining me. pleasure . oak it's barrage the pleasure. oak it's barrage the barrage i've got some questions. goodness knows what you've sent me today working home is a curse

and it has made the whole country function in slow motion. how can this madness be reversed 7 how can this madness be reversed ? easy sacked the civil service list they set up in whitehall . list they set up in whitehall. their jobs are gone . ten second theirjobs are gone. ten second reaction from you. so i think that working from home means , that working from home means, you cannot get the culture and the camaraderie and the team spirit that you would get if you went to see my and success is all about team and young people need to learn off others and they can't do it absolutely blooming zone another one one viewer asks me good lee anderson be the uk coach to about the answer to that. but i have to say i think lee anderson is a breath of fresh air. whatever i have it agrees with me on that and you, i want to see somebody in politics standing up and saying they believe and you can agree with them you can disagree with them . but that's what he with them. but that's what he believes rather than this constant hedging , ing and constant hedging, ing and wavering that we from the

careerists, i think lee anderson a breath of fresh air. it was a to have him and all the other guests on today i'm going to hand over now to bev turner. thank you, nigel. thank you very much. good evening. i'm here this week from 8:00 until nine. we've got a great show lined up for me maybe we've got also on the show tonight. we've got sir elton and the war on motorists who does actually benefit from those though armchair detectives 7 those though armchair detectives ? this is, of course, the sad news about body being found, but the role that social media sleuth played in that we're going to be discussing that . going to be discussing that. roald dahl, is he corrupting the young? did he corrupt the young? go? does need this sensitivity. police his work and also an eyebrow raising roman artefacts all that after your weather hello my name's rachel ayres and welcome to your latest weather from the met office. well, tomorrow going to be a dry day for many with a few sunny spells around and remaining still quite

mild. and most of settled mild. and most of the settled weather is due to this high pressure that's still around across england and wales across most of england and wales . north. . they're looking further north. we some weather fronts we have got some weather fronts that try to push in through on monday and into start of monday and into the start of tuesday, just bringing some outbreaks and drizzle to outbreaks of rain and drizzle to end the day, there will be some outbreaks of light rain and drizzle mostly over west up drizzle mostly over west and up slopes as through this slopes as well through this evening. it's going evening. otherwise, it's going to dry quite cloudy. to be a dry night quite cloudy. those temperatures is going those are temperatures is going to remaining pretty mild. to be remaining pretty mild. once to no once again with little to no frost around the start of tuesday . it's going to be tuesday. it's going to be another cloudy start the day tomorrow. little in the way of brightness to start the day with outbreaks of rain continuing across the of scotland across the far north of scotland and these be heavy at times with and these be heavy at times with a fresh breeze as well. it's going to be feeling pretty cool here wind , though, with here in the wind, though, with the elsewhere and, the cloudy skies elsewhere and, limited brightness. it will be quite a day. elsewhere, quite a mild day. elsewhere, with temperatures generally sticking the double sticking around in the double figures, but looking to tuesday evening and into the start of wednesday and it's all change with this band of rain making

its way south and eastwards. and this marks a change to some slightly conditions . so slightly cooler conditions. so that make its way that rain will make its way southeast through tuesday southeast was through tuesday night start of night and into start of wednesday. so remaining generally dry start but generally dry to start but cloudy ahead of this with some rain building towards rain building in towards the early of wednesday behind early hours of wednesday behind this and clear this so blustery and clear spells moving in which means we could just see a patchy cross cross to start wednesday here. that rain will continue to make its way south and east west throughout .

you with gb news. it's 11:00. you with gb news. it's11:00. and in a moment headliners but first let's bring you up to date with the latest news headlines and lancashire police this afternoon that the body discovered in the river wyre yesterday has identified as the missing mother of two nicola

bulley. the body was found a mile away from where nicola disappeared three weeks ago dunng disappeared three weeks ago during a morning dog walk and was found by members of the pubuc was found by members of the public the cause of death hasn't yet been revealed . a police yet been revealed. a police liaison officer read out a statement on behalf of nicola's family . a nikki you no longer family. a nikki you no longer a missing person . you have been missing person. you have been found . we can let you rest now. found. we can let you rest now. we love you always have . always we love you always have. always will we will take it from here here . meanwhile, the chief here. meanwhile, the chief constable of and cornwall police called firearms law to be reformed tonight after an inquest jury found people were unlawfully killed in a shooting spree near plymouth in 2021. five people died, including a three year old girl in a shooting carried out by jake davison . the inquest today heard davison. the inquest today heard how 22 year old legally held a