true. now there are a few things that have been troubling. troubling me a little bit today. so i'm going to get them off my chest, see what you think. the treatment of kate forbes. kate is , of course, one of the is, of course, one of the candidates running for the snp leadership. she is a christian, an evangelical one at that. so it should come as no surprise that she believes in the teachings of the church to which she belongs, including that marriage is between a man and a woman , that her personal woman, that her personal preference is not to have children out of wedlock and that she opposes gender self i.d.

now, whether you agree or not with forbes on these issues is, in my view , irrelevant. what is in my view, irrelevant. what is very relevant , though, is the very relevant, though, is the consequent backlash , the demands consequent backlash, the demands that she pull out of the race and the idea that her views are so beyond the pale that she should have place in should have no place in mainstream politics. perhaps she was a tad naive to reveal her views. she must have seen how tim farron was hounded out of his role as leader of the liberal democrats after he kept being interviewer. liberal democrats after he kept beinginterviewer1terviewer. liberal democrats after he kept beinginterviewer whetherer. liberal democrats after he kept beinginterviewer whether he after interviewer whether he believes gay sex to be a sin. and it looks like the same thing is happening now, even though she's made it crystal clear that she's made it crystal clear that she has no intention of rolling back marriage that she back gay marriage and that she is, quotes as a servant of is, in quotes as a servant of democracy. that isn't enough to appease her detractors. is this really what we want.7 a country where every politician, every pubuc where every politician, every public figure has to sign up to some kind of purity of thinking test.7 i certainly do not. but let me know what you think. have we got to a situation where no

significant british political party can be led by a practising christian who takes their faith serious .7 then the climate serious? then the climate emergency zealots are back and they want to bring back world war ii style rationing to help us save the planet. yes, it's not some kind of conspiracy. british scientists have actually said it would be a good idea for governments to ration flights, petrol, household energy , meat, petrol, household energy, meat, clothing. it goes on. is this where we're heading ? then it's where we're heading? then it's coming up to the first anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. last year, we gave £23 billion of military support . this year, rishi sunak plans to meet or exceed that amount . i to meet or exceed that amount. i think now would be the wrong time to dial down our support, but it also appears as though putin is showing up silently. no signs of backing down, and at the same time we're being told that our army is weak, depleted and no longer a top level fighting force. so should we continue to ramp up military support for ukraine and lastly, the bbc apparently thinks the way to appear more trustworthy

on the television is for their reporters to look a bit scruffy , apparently looking sweaty and dirty is best. i imagine there are many more ways the bbc could rebuild trust , and none of them rebuild trust, and none of them include sartorial choices. but hey, do you think dressing down increases trust? all of that to come when jeeves and co with me emily carver. i'll be introducing my panel in just one moment. but first, let's get the latest news headlines . emily, latest news headlines. emily, thank you. good evening. the latest gb news us president joe biden's says the united states will announce new sanctions against russia. this week, joe biden was speaking to thousands gathered in the centre of warsaw, telling the crowd that the ukrainian people's love of their country would prevail in their country would prevail in the war against russia. it follows talks he held this afternoon with the president of poland a day after his surprise visit to ukraine. the two leaders addressed security issues and growing nato presence

in poland . the united states and in poland. the united states and the nations of europe do not seek to control or destroy russia . the west is not plotting russia. the west is not plotting to attack russia. as putin said today, and millions of russian citizens only want to live in peace with their neighbours are not the enemy . this war is never not the enemy. this war is never a necessity. it's a tragedy . a necessity. it's a tragedy. president putin chose this . war president putin chose this. war well, earlier today , the us well, earlier today, the us secretary of state, antony blinken , said russia's decision blinken, said russia's decision to suspend its participation in a nuclear treaty is deeply unfortunate and irresponsible . unfortunate and irresponsible. vladimir putin made the announcement during a major speech , a state of the nation speech, a state of the nation speech, a state of the nation speech in the war on ukraine, where he also accused the west of trying to acquire limitless power. russia has now summoned the us ambassador over what it describes as an aggressive course set by washington . but course set by washington. but

russia does not abandon the treaty but suspend its participation before resuming the discussion of this treaty . the discussion of this treaty. we must first understand what does such countries of nato like france and great britain, aspire to do ? and how will we take to do? and how will we take their strategic assets into account ? well in news here at account? well in news here at home, the royal college of nursing says it's pausing strike action while it holds intensive talks with the government on pay- talks with the government on pay. nurses were set to walk out on march the first for 48 hours and their long running dispute overjobs and their long running dispute over jobs pay and working conditions. but the nurses union is now saying they'll meet with the health secretary, steve barclay , tomorrow as they begin barclay, tomorrow as they begin negotiations and the chancellor is under pressure to improve pubuc is under pressure to improve public sector pay rises for workers after official figures showed state finances are stronger than predicted. the office for national statistics has revealed the government reported a monthly surplus of £5.4 billion in january. the surprising number is mainly because of self—assessed income

tax. but jeremy hunt is due to meet set out his plans, for rather tax and spending in the budget on march the 15th, played down the significance of the surplus to the nation's finances . now supermarkets are expanding the list of fruits and vegetables they'll be limiting for sale . asda is one of the for sale. asda is one of the supermarkets rationing customer hours to a maximum of three items from a list of eight, which includes tomatoes , which includes tomatoes, broccoli and raspberries . broccoli and raspberries. morrisons will also be introducing similar restrictions from wednesday . bad weather from wednesday. bad weather across europe and africa is being blamed for the disruption to supply chains , with retailers to supply chains, with retailers warning it could last for weeks . the media regulator says it's extremely concerned by the actions of two particular broadcasters , following comments broadcasters, following comments made by nicola bulley family yesterday . both itv and sky news yesterday. both itv and sky news contacted the 45 year old's

relatives after her body was discovered in the wire on sunday. despite an appeal from the family for privacy. ofcom has now written to both companies asking them to explain themselves. the police are also being criticised over the way they've handled the case. former met detective peter blakesley told gb news earlier he does feel the investigation hasn't quite been up to scratch. i'm going to have to take a very long, hard look how they've conducted all of this, not only the investigation, but very much the investigation, but very much the communication. and i hope that the wider british police . that the wider british police. take some lessons from all of this because quite frankly, if you get the messaging wrong , you get the messaging wrong, people don't believe you. they're not going to trust you. investigations and that, i think, is part of the reason why so many people turned up . so so many people turned up. so mark was on what? peter blakesley now a former conservative mp jailed for sexually assaulting a teenager, has been freed from prison after

serving only half his term. imran ahmed khan was jailed for 18 months last may for groping a 15 year old boy after a party in 2008. the 49 year old lost a court of appeal challenge against his conviction and sentence in december . the uk's sentence in december. the uk's chief medical officer has criticised the marketing of vapes. sir chris whitty described them as appalling, saying it's clear some products are designed to appeal to children. research published last july found the number of young people vaping is increasing , with many young people vaping is increasing, with many being influenced by social . media and influenced by social. media and the princess of wales has visited a nursing home in berkshire today to discover how it cares for the elderly. a recently launched her shaping us campaign, which focuses on early years and raising awareness on the first five years of life. but this time she's been learning how those at the end of their lives are being supported. at oxford house nursing home at the oxford house nursing home in care provided

in slough, the care provided includes supporting the elderly to live independently in their own homes . you up to date on tv, own homes. you up to date on tv, onune own homes. you up to date on tv, online and dab+ radio with gb news the people's channel where emily carver is today sitting in for jeep's enco . for jeep's enco. yes. welcome back to jeeves and c0 yes. welcome back to jeeves and co with me. emily carver. so with me until seven is my panel. ihave with me until seven is my panel. i have emma burnell who is a political consultant and toby young, who is the director of the free speech union with me this evening. now, as ever. i want to know your thoughts throughout the show. please do get touch. gb views get in touch. gb views at gbnews.uk is the address or on twitter at gb news or at cava. emily now it all has a familiar with to it, doesn't it? a traditional christian candidate puts themselves forward for the role of a leader of a modern

political party. immediately gets torpedoed by the religious beliefs on things like same sex marriage . this time it's the marriage. this time it's the prospective leader of the scottish national party, kate philp , who says she wouldn't philp, who says she wouldn't have backed gay marriage when it was passed by the scottish parliament. this prompted several of her key backers to turn against her and the media essentially appears to be launching somewhat of a campaign against her, constantly asking her about her personal christian beliefs. toby is it possible in this day and age for a practising christian who holds true to , well, the teachings of true to, well, the teachings of the bible, to be a leader of a mainstream political party when it's evidently very difficult , it's evidently very difficult, when i think jacob rees—mogg had a reasonably good career , may a reasonably good career, may yet have an even more glittering career in the conservative party, in spite of being a practising orthodox christian. but it's hard to imagine someone being a christian, having orthodoxy , christian views, and orthodoxy, christian views, and

thriving in any other mainstream political party, including i think the snp. but i think if you were a unionist, that's good news because i think she's far and away the strongest candidate and away the strongest candidate and i think that they embrace of kind of full on woke marie pokery by the snp is proving to be an electoral liability as we saw with nicola sturgeon's resignation . and if they don't resignation. and if they don't row back on agenda recognition reform bill, if they do bring in a conversion therapy ban , if a conversion therapy ban, if they continue to prosecute these deeply unpopular , extreme work deeply unpopular, extreme work policies , then they're going to policies, then they're going to damage the cause of independence. and as a unionist, that's a great thing. so i hope humza wins. it would have been eafien humza wins. it would have been easier, wouldn't it? emma for kate forbes to bite her tongue . kate forbes to bite her tongue. and say nothing really . kate forbes to bite her tongue. and say nothing really. i'd kate forbes to bite her tongue. and say nothing really . i'd say and say nothing really. i'd say that's not the advice i'd have given her as a consultant. i think she's probably done the right thing. if you look at what happened with tim farron , he happened with tim farron, he really struggled because he

wouldn't answer the question. kate forbes hasn't they said, these are my views, take more leave them. and she stayed in the race. it's up to voters now how they decide and the not the whole voters of scotland , but whole voters of scotland, but the voters within the snp, whether they decide for that, whether they decide for that, whether for them that's a disqualifying thing or not. so i think she's actually done right in getting ahead of the story. i don't agree with her views on most of these things. i we may overlap in our views on gender and sex, but from very different opposing polls. the prospect of but on gay marriage things i just i find those views completely anathema to what i believe , but completely anathema believe, but completely anathema to what i believe is not the same. and being able to publicly criticise those views is not the same as saying she has no right to hold them as part of being in pubuc to hold them as part of being in public office. i always believe that we should have these fights in because we don't, in public because if we don't, we them in private we have them in private badly. well, reaction makes it well, the reaction makes it almost well for christians

living in this country and in scotland of course, most importantly, it must feel like they are under attack the way that this woman, her views are being well amplified in the media. she's not allowed to escape these questions now , how escape these questions now, how do you feel christians in this country react to this type of thing? well, i imagine they'll be pretty unhappy about it. i mean, it shows just how successful the kind of secular , successful the kind of secular, progressive elite has been that now in this country you can be a practising hindu and no problem become prime minister. you can become prime minister. you can be a muslim like humza yousaf her rival in this contest doesn't matter. but if you're a practising christian, then you're more or less excluded from participating in public life. you think we treat christians differently , too? no, christians differently, too? no, i don't think that's specifically true . i think there specifically true. i think there there is a vast mainstream of

christian belief. i would grow up in the church. i'm not a practising christian anymore, but i grew up in a really liberal church. my first vicar was the man who who buried terrence higgins, for example . terrence higgins, for example. so the view that i hold on social issues were not anathema to the christianity in which i was raised. so i think that we need to not necessarily conflate christianity with the particular views held by some christians and i think it would be damaging to the faith itself to say that everybody who is christian also believes this specific form of christianity . you may be christianity. you may be surprised , emma, by how little surprised, emma, by how little tolerance there is even for quite mainstream christian beliefs now. so i'm actually appearing as an expert witness in the trial of an evangelical st preacher in a couple of weeks time . he was prosecuted because time. he was prosecuted because he misgendered a trans person who was essentially taunting him when he was preaching and demanding that he use her preferred gender pronouns . he

preferred gender pronouns. he refused to do so because that was contrary to his christian beliefs and he was arrested and charged with a public order offence and convicted. so this is his appeal that i'm testifying at. and so you know, you may think that some mainstream news, such as thinking that sex is binary and immutable, which we associate with other with christianity and other religions , are acceptable. but religions, are acceptable. but you arrested now for you can be arrested now for saying in some in saying that in some cities in england. i agree that that's ridiculous . what i want to ridiculous. what i want to separate is all christians believe acts from you can't be questioned in public to a sense i mean i would not be prosecuting things like that. i think it's crazy. and i often say lots of things that we say the police should deal with. we should deal with socially rather than legally. but i don't think that means that you can't be a practising christian in politics. i mean, wes streeting speaks really eloquently about his christiana to see his face, also his sexual ity his christiana to see his face, also his sexuality and his christiana to see his face, also his sexual ity and how he

struggled to marry the two. but he got through that journey and is you know, no one can say that wes streeting is not a successful frontline politician. yeah, i think crucially, one of the things that made me so frustrated about this story is that keeps saying that of that she keeps saying that of her religious police will have no impact on legislation. she's not going to start rolling back on gay rights. she's not going to ban gay marriage. she's not going to do any of these things. so why then is it so relevant and so necessary for the media, in my view, to hound her on this? because it's not just about your actions , it's about your actions, it's a purity of thinking. so spoken about, it's what's in your heart. i mean, the people that are condemning her and i think she cannot possibly lead the snp because i views are so antediluvian and old fashioned and i horrific that people who demand a purity of soul they want ideological conformity with their dogma. and if you don't then you're ruled out. now you keep a son who's often on the

channel. he's a social policy analyst. he tweeted something just recently saying she's defending her christian values and traditional beliefs with grace and courtesy in the face of what i can only describe as secular, liberal bigotry . i secular, liberal bigotry. i mean, i think it's perfectly acceptable to ask a politician open about their beliefs about what drives them, about their back story , all of those things. back story, all of those things. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. it will up wrong with that. it will be up to and their activists to the snp and their activists whether they feel that that disqualifies her or not. i think the part of the issue is that the part of the issue is that the snp, all political parties are quite broad churches , let's are quite broad churches, let's face it. but the snp really is very, very broad because they have people who are on the economic rights, people on the economic rights, people on the economic left, social concern , economic left, social concern, active social liberals, the one thing they all agree on is independence and that has led for a very long time to them not having a conversation about all of these other issues . so it was of these other issues. so it was always going to explode into their did their dialogue with

each other as soon as, you know, nicola sturgeon and nicola sturgeon stepping down so quickly meant a lot more explosive because there wasn't an obvious next person . it an obvious next person. it wasn't quite clear who was going to take over the way it was when the political system. alex salmond so i think the issue, the reason it's being so hotly debated is that they all having a conversation as a policy about who they are and what they believe and who they are and what they believe is beyond that. scotland be that. scotland should be independent has really independent, has never really been settled . well, lots of been settled. well, lots of you've been getting in touch at home, john says. awful punished for being a christian and having christian beliefs. people punished for praying silently in public. what has this country become ? edward says, absolutely. become? edward says, absolutely. first class introduction tonight regarding full of secondary much. i hope she wouldn't be because she's clearly an honest politician and there aren't many of them around nowadays. now that is important that i think is an important point she's being honest, point. she's just being honest, and politicians don't do that very often . humza yousaf, very often. humza yousaf, for example , he says he signed up to

example, he says he signed up to absolutely all of this woke stuff , whether it's gender stuff, whether it's gender self—identification . he's also self—identification. he's also said he's completely signed up to gay marriage and all of that. i wonder if he's a practising muslim as well. i imagine he probably takes a bit of heat from his own community on that one. yeah, and i imagine he's not being completely transparent about what he actually believes and about that issue. and thinks about that issue. well, know, we well, we don't know, but we don't yeah, i do think don't know. but yeah, i do think she for being she will get points for being honest, being forthright. honest, for being forthright. and emma's right. and i think emma's right. i would have given her the same advice. and, you know, had she actually she actually concealed what she really gay really believes about gay marriage the leader marriage and become the leader and the ben been around about it because people had uncovered evidence that she was opposed to gay marriage at the time then you then it might up you know then it might blow up and would be far worse than and that would be far worse than it blowing also, maybe it blowing up. now, also, maybe if stay in the race, if she does stay in the race, i'm how long the race i'm not sure how long the race itself is, but she could have got this out of the way and then move on more important policy move to on more important policy issues, independence, issues, not least independence, which is the whole which seems which is the whole

point snp itself. cass point of the snp itself. cass says she has been totally honest about her own views and emphasised her would not emphasised her views would not influence democratic voters influence the democratic voters , that , an absolute disgrace that she's being bullied .john she's now being bullied. john says scotland was always a country with high christian morals, not any more. so it seems like most of you that are getting in touch very much back for support, essentially. well admitting to what she believes and holding true to her own beliefs in the face of lots of criticism. anyway, coming up, a new era of make , do and mend. new era of make, do and mend. could we actually be about to bnng could we actually be about to bring back world war ii style rationing to save the planet .

yes welcome back to dewbs & co. yes welcome back to dewbs& co. with me, emily carver. now, a lot of you have been getting in touch. huge numbers of you actually. neil says, i do not agree with gay marriage or anything connected to it. so

should cancelled? everyone should i be cancelled? everyone has a view, whether you like the answer well, you are in answer or not. well, you are in answer or not. well, you are in a minority . the vast majority of a minority. the vast majority of people support gay marriage a minority. the vast majority of peop but support gay marriage a minority. the vast majority of peop but no, pport gay marriage a minority. the vast majority of peop but no, iport gay marriage a minority. the vast majority of peop but no, i dot gay marriage a minority. the vast majority of peop but no, i do not( marriage a minority. the vast majority of peop but no, i do not think'iage a minority. the vast majority of peop but no, i do not think that now. but no, i do not think that you should be cancel. this, of course, is all relating to kate forbes, who is one of the contenders in the snp leadership race . she's been hauled over the race. she's been hauled over the coals, essentially over her religious beliefs. asked about her stance towards gay marriage , gender self—identification and lots of other things kids having children out of wedlock , all of children out of wedlock, all of that has been coming up. joe says most of british society were brought up with christian values. therefore, it shouldn't be punished for promoting them. it's what has made us a tolerant society. well, i think a lot of the younger generation haven't haven't brought up with haven't been brought up with christian values that much. but a have . and i a lot of people have. and i think should be allowed to think they should be allowed to express their views, even if some people don't like them . some people don't like them. chris kate forbes again is chris says, kate forbes again is entitled to her views and entitled to her views and entitled to her views and entitled to voice them. sir keir starmer could lessons in starmer could take lessons in honestly expressing his true

beliefs from her. yes, i do think a lot of us look at our politicians as cookie cutter politicians as cookie cutter politicians and actually wonder what do they actually believe? it they change their it seems like they change their views depending on which way the wind blows. and also what's well was the liberal consensus of the day. the new consensus of the day, anyway , moving on, could we day, anyway, moving on, could we be for in another era? not in an era of make, do and mend. it's a different kind of war this time . the war on climate change scientists at leeds university say governments should consider rationing petrol , household rationing petrol, household energy and meat in order to reduce our carbon emissions. emma when you see stories like this, do you think climate scientists are getting a bit above their station at academics, going to academic ? i academics, going to academic? i have to be honest and it's absolutely right that people put interesting ideas out into the world and then test them . i was world and then test them. i was watching the news hour where supermodel kids are rationing food at the moment. and this is

largely as a result of bad weather as climate change continues and gets worse and worse, that is going to get worse. most we're going to get rationing. whether it's done by governments whether governments or whether it's done by and oh, you can get by nature. and oh, you can get ahead of the game rationing ourselves. i mean, i don't support ration ing on individuals in this manner because i think it has what the ways that we need to mitigate climate change and adapt need to happen much further up the food chain . i think we need to be chain. i think we need to be changing the ways that we run things rather than the individual choices made and imposing those individual choices . so i would imposing those individual choices. so i would put far more emphasis basically until shell, bp , mcdonald's get their act bp, mcdonald's get their act together and cut their carbon emissions. we should just well, until we make actually take as many long haul flights as we like, until we make them get their act together. basically, i think it's got to be a partnership . and we all we all partnership. and we all we all literally all on this planet together. so let's try and work

together. so let's try and work together in ways that don't and i just feel like this would hurt the poorest, hardest who are also going to be hurt hardest by climate change. so i think that we need to find ways to mitigate climate change that actually don't smack those people on the sharpest end about . don't smack those people on the sharpest end about. but i mean, this might seem a bit of a niche story some. toby but these story to some. toby but these kind of are coming left, kind of demands are coming left, right this isn't right and centre. this isn't just one researcher saying this. lots of serious people and climate scientists, climate journalists have been talking about this for years. yeah, i mean, we see the risk of climate catastrophe being invoked over and over as a reason to restrict our liberty , whether it's 50 our liberty, whether it's 50 minute cities, whether it's net zero, the phasing out of petrol and diesel driven cars in 2030 and diesel driven cars in 2030 and now apparent leigh rationing meat and petrol and you know as someone who believes in freedom i'm very suspicious about these

apocalyptic scenarios. constant need being conjured up as a reason to kind of rein in our liberty. and actually a lot of the climate predictions of catastrophe are based on climate models , computer models that models, computer models that this scenario's generated by computer models. and we saw, i think, during the pandemic how unreliable those computer models can be. and we see these apocalyptic predictions. you only have to look back a little way into the past to find apocalyptic predictions which haven't true . i mean, haven't come true. i mean, prince charles predicted, he said had eight years to said we had eight years left to save planet. that was 14 save the planet. that was 14 years , our great monarch. years ago, our great monarch. i think gordon brown, said in 2009, we had 50 days left to save the planet. well, this is it is it about control, then , in it is it about control, then, in your view? i think it is about control. i think it suits a kind of pure eton top down, controlling agenda. they don't like to see people enjoying themselves in their motor cars eating beef on a sunday they don't like. they don't like the sight of the proles rolling

around happily, enjoying themselves, consuming , flying on themselves, consuming, flying on cheap package holidays to my beath. they want everyone to be reined in. they want to kind of grey, a joyless universe in which they're the only people in charge . do you think that's charge. do you think that's true? do you think the politicians are looking at us and thinking, oh, we want to take away some of that fun? no genuine they i mean, it genuine they no. i mean, it makes for good. i think nicola sturgeon does. nicola sturgeon is doesn't appear to me the most joyful person always necessarily, but that's an individual choice. exactly and i think there is things go in and out of fashion as technology develops. we didn't ban horses. we developed beyond them to the motorcar. we're not going to ban motorcar. we're not going to ban motor cars going beyond them , to motor cars going beyond them, to electric cars, to mass transit vehicles, all sorts of wonderful things that are going to come. i think we need to be really conscious of that. you're talking about catastrophizing whilst catastrophize is about the catastrophize. does it just

also point you catastrophizing about the state of our politicians ? catastrophizing. politicians? catastrophizing. i'm not catastrophe buzzing about the catastrophize as i'm pointing out that the catastrophizing are constantly making these predictions and raising the alarm about things and none of it ever comes true. they constantly crying wolf, always take some. arctic sea ice is increasing . the polar bear is increasing. the polar bear population is growing. you know, the ozone layer, the holes have all been fixed. you know, forests are growing and expand . forests are growing and expand. and all of those predictions of what would happen if we didn't immediately kind of stop eating meat and stop driving cars, haven't come true. and that's for electric cars . i mean, there for electric cars. i mean, there are you evidently don't drive an electric car because if you did, you'd now that are you'd know by now that they are an unqualified disaster. yeah. all of the. the original motor car was not good as the ones car was not as good as the ones we've got now. this is what i'm saying. it's a ten innovate. there this on. exactly. and there is this on. exactly. and that's exactly where i really want to see us moving into a zero carbon world. but a world

in zero carbon where we have more freedom, where we have a p ability, where the technology enables us rather than detracts from us. i worry that with the current crop of politicians we have perhaps a little bit have that perhaps a little bit of authoritarianism might come with i think you're with it. i think you're catastrophizing catastrophizing catastrophizing. catastrophizing hopefully reframing this to get some people on board at home with the idea of rationing for climate change. perhaps you think that people have think at home that people have got and actually got too greedy and that actually that actually. oh, we've apparently we've got a comment about this. morris says not a bad idea. it would do wonders towards combating the obesity crisis. well so perhaps we're all eating too much. we're spending too much on going on planes across the road. perhaps we should rein it in for moral reasons, have a more earthy experience of life. i don't know. perhaps that's one way of looking at it. gordon says. i don't think i can take much more of these scientists. what next? rationing or breathing? well, we were worried about cows and their flatulence and things like that being bad the ozone

that being bad for the ozone layer. i want to look at me layer. so i want to look at me when he said that, i thought he might have a i thought you might . well, i think there is one one serious point about this, which is if we introduce rationing, then inevitably a black market will follow. and that will exacerbate inequality. it will mean only people who can mean only only people who can afford buy market afford to buy black market pnces afford to buy black market prices , can get hold of petrol prices, can get hold of petrol or can get hold more than or can get hold of more than their allowance of meat. their weekly allowance of meat. and we don't want live in and we don't want to live in that of society. well, if that kind of society. well, if you read clark's you have read ross clark's satirical novel about climate change, it ends up being that things like flights are very much rationed and the climate campaigners are allowed or allowed as many flights as they like because they're doing good for the world. right. which is very good. it also reminds one of animal farm, perhaps clem says, why us again? expected to save the planet. we should be telling these scientists to take a jump and just go away. a running jump and just go away. or perhaps to climate or perhaps to solve climate change. could do that change. they could do that perhaps telling us perhaps instead of telling us what do. there's plenty of

what to do. there's plenty of solutions there's solutions out there. there's lots work being done. lots of great work being done. i am privileged to work with climate change movements all around and working around the world and working with their strategy. with them on their strategy. very of them are saying, very few of them are saying, don't very few of them are saying, dont do very few of them are saying, don't do that. don't eat that, don't do that. they're saying they're working don't eat that, don't do that. they communities y're working don't eat that, don't do that. they communities ,'re working don't eat that, don't do that. they communities , actually,|g don't eat that, don't do that. they communities , actually, that with communities, actually, that most of the groups i work with and a community level to and work on a community level to really just do things like local food, growing the small changes that just make such a lovely positive difference to people's lives. i think everyone should be proud of that sort of thing. i mean, there's nothing wrong with growing your own fruits and vegetables. myself , vegetables. i do it myself, although my parents tried to do that in london garden and that in their london garden and they my siblings they were told by my siblings that actually soil would too that actually the soil would too be polluting and that their fruit would actually not fruit and veg would actually not be very nice. but i don't know too much about growing my own fruits veg. perhaps people at fruits of veg. perhaps people at home me anyway. home know more than me anyway. coming jets be the coming up, could jets be the next item of western weaponry en route to ukraine? boris johnson and truss think so are and liz truss think so and are urging rishi sunak to send them is the time ramp up is now the time to ramp up

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yes welcome back to co with me emily and i will will introduce reintroduce my wonderful panel . reintroduce my wonderful panel. emma burnell is a political consultant and toby ong is the director of the free speech union. now, new polling from opinion shows british people are overwhelmed , only positive, overwhelmed, only positive, about how the uk has reacted to the conflict in. ukraine, does that mean we should keep up our wholesale support? and even as bofis wholesale support? and even as boris johnson and liz truss are suggesting today, send more fighter jets. suggesting today, send more fighterjets. is suggesting today, send more fighter jets. is this the time? is this the moment to up military support ? emma, i don't military support? emma, i don't know about ramping up military support , but i have been support, but i have been absolutely , utterly won over absolutely, utterly won over some of the sort of nervous support to a full throated one. i genuinely do believe that this

is existential now. and if, as i do believe fully in western values, i think that this has to be the red line that we that we no longer cross. i'm just i think it is that fundamental. i think it is that fundamental. i think if putin is allowed to win this, then we lose the 21st century in terms of fighting for those values. and those values are very important. me well, that's true, isn't it? toby is on the front line now , but this on the front line now, but this is a war that could have massive repercussions for the rest of europe. our country too. yeah. i mean, one of the arguments against sending jets to the ukraine is it will be an it could lead to an escalation of hostilities but we ought to bear in mind, too, that if we don't provide aid to ukraine and then russia could in the end win this war, and that in turn will lead to an escalation as well, because putin's not going to stop at ukraine. i mean, the big argument against sending jets to

ukraine is that it may prompt putin to go nuclear. you know, it may bring a nuclear war. please let me say he's well, he's back to testing. he's constantly rattling that sabre . constantly rattling that sabre. but i'm not sure that we should stay our hands because of fear of what he might do. i mean, the polls already sent mig 29, so a nato member has already effectively crossed that red line. and you know, putin didn't retaliate. retaliate by nuking kyiv and, you know, rather arguments to i mean yeah he might use tactical nukes. they probably wouldn't give him a huge advantage in this particular war. and let's not forget that mutually assured destruction will still apply even if we do send fighter jets even if we do send fighterjets to the ukraine. so there'll still be really good reason why , you know, putin isn't going to respond by unleashing intercontinental ballistic missiles on. i wonder what people at home are thinking because they see today. jeremy

hunt has got a bit of fiscal room we've he's taken in more taxes than he was expecting and many people might see it as a bit of an either rule in terms of does that money does that extra money go towards more military aid to help fight back against putin or could it go to nhs or education or cutting taxes ? i mean, i don't think it taxes? i mean, i don't think it has to be an either or deficit. there was planned spending to go to ukraine anyway so that they've already said that they would match at least what's already been given and maybe i guess we had. so just just to clarify, we had we gave 2.3 billion last year in military aid to ukraine. rishi sunak has said he wants to meet that or exceed it. this year. and i think i think the british people have been fantastic on this actually, and i think agree with me that this is about yes, it feels like a war that may be quite far away, but it also

feels like a war that could be a lot closer and closer in terms of what we're fighting for and why . and i think when you think why. and i think when you think about the british story and the things that we are so proud of and the way that we stood up dunng and the way that we stood up during the second world war is something that is absolutely intrinsic to the way that we see ourselves. i do think this house, be some kind house, there has to be some kind of doesn't there, because of line, doesn't there, because we say we want to do everything we say we want to do everything we can, obviously has we can, but obviously that has limits, if we said that limits, doesn't. if we said that . but 100 billion, would that be too much ? well, i it meant that too much? well, i it meant that we were closer to defeating putin. i don't know. i'm not a military strategist, but fair enough. military strategist, but fair enough . i think that we are enough. i think that we are we're not. it seems clear to me we're not. it seems clear to me we're not. it seems clear to me we're not going to send troops in that that i think, is the line. i don't know, because we did say we weren't going to send tanks. now jets is very much on the table. it doesn't the table. it seems. it doesn't feel like that's an option that the british are considering at all. at the moment, nor the ukraine asking us to. i do as i

say, i just think this is so much more import and than i. simple territorial battle . it is simple territorial battle. it is a battle of ideals . ukraine a battle of ideals. ukraine looked to the west and that's what drove putin mad . and i what drove putin mad. and i think that as a westerner who really values the freedoms and the values, he's saying this is off . it is off to be, would you off. it is off to be, would you pay off. it is off to be, would you pay extra tax? if it came down to it, would you pay extra taxes to it, would you pay extra taxes to help ukraine fight this war? well, i hope that rishi sunak takes it from the overseas development budget. so and if we're going to spend money on overseas countries, better, we spend it in ukraine, then give it to china. i mean, i think you're right to flag out that there is this of a kind of ratchet effect. we gave 2.3 billion last year. we're going to have to exceed that this year and then exceed this year's expenditure year. but expenditure next year. but i think the hope is that if we do

give another 2.3 billion in aid and equipment to the ukraine this year , then other countries this year, then other countries will step up. but do we have to be the second largest and military donor ? do we have we military donor? do we have we are enough to pay . but yes, but are enough to pay. but yes, but i some times feel like we pretend that our country is still the richest in the world. and sometimes we took we give more than we actually have. maybe you've been listening too closely to these declinist narratives, emily. we still are one of the richest in the world, the fifth largest military power. we have a seat on the un security council. we're a founding member of nato, maybe we do have more notably bruce. well, good point . peter doesn't well, good point. peter doesn't agree though. he says the uk should not continue pushing us towards world war iii. the war in ukraine is a proxy war engineered by america. well i don't agree with that one. but the sentiment is there that some people do think that this is heading towards a major

escalation . she says it takes escalation. she says it takes a very different view. we have to give ukraine what they need to defeat russia. we can't let win. it would lead to world war. if they win in ukraine, they won't stop there. so people are saying on one hand that it could on the one hand that it could lead world war iii if we up lead to world war iii if we up our military support. and then the hand, we don't, it the other hand, if we don't, it could to a world war three. could lead to a world war three. so take it very, very so people take it very, very different on this. richard different view on this. richard says all efforts should be in the of talks, not war. the direction of talks, not war. however talks however unlikely, those talks seem weapons is seem right now. more weapons is not end well. richard, not going to end well. richard, you jeremy corbyn. you sound like jeremy corbyn. that's what he always used to say any type say about any type of intervention , any of type intervention, any type of type of war or military support that we were giving to a country. deborah we should back off. we have enough. i do think there is a strong perhaps a minority. if you if you believe the polls, but a strong a strong minority who who take that view that that help starts at home. charity starts at home. and what not. but i do think this is much

bigger than that. and joe says we couldn't send any of our aircraft. we haven't even got enough to use on aircraft, aircraft, aircraft . so forget aircraft, aircraft. so forget it. well, that's a good point, too. do we actually have enough military, enough weapons, enough tanks, enough jets to be able to send over without send them over without completely depleting our own resources ? and we must end on resources? and we must end on that now. but coming up, does dressing down make you more trustworthy? the bbc thinks so. one of its executives told staff, fine if they look staff, it's fine if they look sweaty and dirty. staff, it's fine if they look sweaty and dirty . stay tuned .

welcome back to . dewbs& co with welcome back to. dewbs& co with me. emily carver and with me until seven. my panel emma burnell, our political consultant and, toby young, director of the free speech union. now let's get some of your responses, mainly on ukraine, the question of whether we should be ramping up support

. bearin we should be ramping up support . bear in mind, this year, last yean . bear in mind, this year, last year, we spent 2.3 billion on military support for ukraine. rishi sunak has said we will meet that or exceed that. this yeah meet that or exceed that. this year. bernard says . he's written year. bernard says. he's written to me and said the sooner the better. all european countries and uk , usa should have gone in and uk, usa should have gone in with ukraine in the beginning. the war would have been over in months. perhaps that's true if there had been more of a united united force. remember, germany was starting was very slow to act starting off with only a few helmets. if i remember correctly , jones i remember correctly, jones says. let eu sort out the ukraine and russia that on the eu's borders, not ours. and bernard says the back off bngade bernard says the back off brigade will soon change their minds. when putin is just across the channel good point . could the channel good point. could come far closer to if we're not careful, if we don't do enough now moving on to a bit of an odd one, but i think it's i think it's relevant. what are the hallmarks of a trustworthy

person all day keeping their word, backing up what they say? no, according to the bbc, it is dressing down one of the corporation's executives is reported have told staff , reported to have told staff, including reporters , they including on air reporters, they should feel free to be as sweaty and dirty as when we're in the field. it is more trustworthy than we looked like we've than if we looked like we've just stepped of awards just stepped out of an awards ceremony is looking scruffy. the way to build trust in the beeb ? way to build trust in the beeb? toby yeah, i feel that the bbc has done so much to damage trust in the bbc because of its incredibly one sided reporting about the government's pandemic response, essentially just trotting out whatever line downing street issued that week. and it'll take more than reporters muscling up by a to hair restore that trust . i'm not hair restore that trust. i'm not convinced by this, not generally. i'm not a big fan of the dress down trend. i mean, i know i'm wearing a jacket or a tie but, you know, it came in with blair, you know, not wearing ties in government. it's a kind more casual look . and a kind of more casual look. and i think that actually harmed the

credibility the authority of credibility and the authority of number ten downing street and the government . it then was i the government. it then was i liked it when john major was was was was always quite smartly turned out not a sign of decline as i don't think it's a sign of decline. i think it's a sign of the times we've seen me decline. i mean, you guys are so negative . you're always talking this country down with this . face and country down with this. face and i think, you know , i i'm not i think, you know, i i'm not quite old enough, although i feel at times particularly today, to remember newsreaders wearing tuxedos . but that was wearing tuxedos. but that was a thing that happened. and then they went to ties. now, i'm not saying they should be, you know , feet on the desk, cigarette and a hand wearing their band. t or whatever . and i often think or whatever. and i often think sometimes this debate gets really weirdly caught in other debates around class and completely mis appropriated . the completely mis appropriated. the idea is that, you know , it makes

idea is that, you know, it makes you look more working class this bbc are trying to do honestly i it's actually mostly the working class you say no you wear a suit to an important and middle class people dress down and i've always found that the more influential a person i was talking to, the more they they could do the casual shirt sleeves thing. i mean, just look at 3 to 5 minutes ago, the scruff face man in britain and deliberate so it would mess up his hair every time before he went on the telly and he was not considered by many to be the most trustworthy. well, this is just a case of sort of trying to dumbed down things for people. they don't feel like they're reaching. yeah yeah. it feels a bit like thatcher, a bit patronising and a bit like, you know, you're running seven figures, you're household figures, you're a household name, in the sidebar of name, you're in the sidebar of shame in the daily mail tweet. but let's pretend it's just an ordinary person. it's a little sweaty, maybe full these sweaty, maybe full of these people. i mean, it's quite funny, to be fair, because i do

believe the gb views, some of believe at the gb views, some of the presenters were not wearing ties and i think there was a rule impose near the start of gb news, if i may say this, that they should wear a tie. well representing the for the female president, they were all looking lovely of course are looking very, very, very smart. but i think ties were what. well encouraged if not need to know. if not made , if not made. i find if not made, if not made. i find time to narrate old item of clothing just as a random aside like what i saw . what was the like what i saw. what was the point of a title maybe? i'm not sure exactly what the origins of the tie are . there must be some the tie are. there must be some sort of weird, extraneous thing to do. why don't you hang around your neck all day? every day in youn your neck all day? every day in your. you're very you know, you've got high standards . do you've got high standards. do you've got high standards. do you like a man in a tie or do you like a man in a tie or do you prefer a man a tie eventually, without anything but or maybe just a tie. yeah. that's can be fun to it depends

on the scenario. if i'm going out for a nice boston to a nice plus restaurant, then i would dress appropriately. and i would hope that the person i'm going to dinner would do the same. if we're around the house to dinner would do the same. if we'rthey're around the house to dinner would do the same. if we'rthey're wearing1d the house to dinner would do the same. if we'rthey're wearing a the house to dinner would do the same. if we'rthey're wearing a suit house to dinner would do the same. if we'rthey're wearing a suit and;e and they're wearing a suit and tie, i would feel really uncomfortable it. that uncomfortable with it. yes that would you feel would make you feel uncomfortable, i guess, when it comes to the bbc, if you're reporting from a field, you probably zone, probably should or a war zone, you probably look very you probably don't look very trustworthy if you are wearing a suit and tie because that's simply you would wear simply not what you would wear in that sudden scenario. but i think in general, asking reporters down because reporters to dress down because it's do it's more trustworthy to do so is ever slightly patronising is ever so slightly patronising to audiences . people are to their audiences. people are getting in touch. you're getting in touch from home, phillips says.i in touch from home, phillips says. i care not what they were , what they wear on the bbc. i don't watch and don't want to fund it. well, quite. you all watching gb and not bbc for watching gb news and not bbc for a says i hate this a reason. john says i hate this idea. i detest way dressed idea. i detest the way dressed down go to the theatre , down now to go to the theatre, etc. standards have etc. standards darling have great time . the old thing about

great time. the old thing about this advice is it saying, you know , you've got to trust know, you've got to trust problem as a reporter. so in order to become more trustworthy , in order to have the viewer believe what you're saying , believe what you're saying, pretend that you're really sweaty and catch you, it's like, you know, it's like engage in an act of deception if you want to earn the trust of viewers. no yeah, just say what you believe to be true. that's what ends the trust is it's not like it's trust do is it's not like it's actions form jeremy clarkson's farm where he would look ridiculous he was wearing ridiculous if he was wearing a tie and suit because that wouldn't be fitting for the well for role that he's playing . for the role that he's playing. no, . again, it just no, absolutely. again, it just comes back to being i think one of the things that's important is to become suitable. and i think sometimes we are asked to wear things that make us feel uncomfortable and that immediately does slightly restrict your movement . and restrict your movement. and sometimes that can you know, people have to you may take some tomorrow fashions ask me long

behind is quite interesting what's coming in people are really broadening out this this conversation margaret has says has said teachers lost respect by dressing down as terrible and i do i do agree with that actually if you go to some schools and you into some classrooms, the teachers really are dressed like slobs . now, are dressed like slobs. now, that might be cruel of me to say that might be cruel of me to say that might be cruel of me to say that might be cruel to say, but you've set up a school, have you not? did you insist? i think teachers dress properly. i think we do have rule that we expect the teachers to be dressed formally and i think it does set a good example and i think it does their authority. and like you and i see a teacher and kind of trekkie bums and at you and i see a teacher and kind of trekkie bums and a t shirt i am i see slightly for teacher who well dress and that's that's very different that's very different anyway says it doesn't matter if they dress scruffy or not they are untrustworthy the either way and that's the crucial point really. perhaps the bbc should think about other

ways to themselves more ways to make themselves more trustworthy with the public. perhaps by being a little less biased in some of their news reporting. that be a good reporting. that would be a good start my view. anyway anyway, start in my view. anyway anyway, that's got time for that's all we've got time for this evening. very this evening. thank you very much indeed. you to my much indeed. thank you to my panel much indeed. thank you to my panel, young and emma panel, toby young and emma burnell 6:00. burnell with me since 6:00. nigel farage is coming up at the top of the hour, so stay tuned for that . good evening. for that. good evening. my name's rachel and welcome to your latest weather from the met office . it's been quite a mild office. it's been quite a mild start to the week, but it's all change as we go into wednesday, as cold air makes its way in from the northwest. this all from the northwest. this is all due a low pressure system due to a low pressure system just the south iceland just to the south of iceland that's bringing a cold front south eastwards across the uk throughout tonight and into wednesday morning. so this will be a band of cloud with some rain in it as well. quite heavy across scotland, northern ireland and northern england for across scotland, northern irtime and northern england for across scotland, northern irtime tonight. thern england for across scotland, northern irtime tonight. aheadengland for across scotland, northern irtime tonight. ahead of land for across scotland, northern irtime tonight. ahead of that,for a time tonight. ahead of that, they will be mostly though they will be mostly dry, though quite cloudy . so temperatures quite cloudy. so temperatures here still remaining here will still be remaining mild for one last night, really they behind that clearing skies

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