recently, will know shopping recently, will know that the high street is in its final death throes. but if we really thought through the reality of a country in which we do everything from the isolation out of kitchen tables via out of our kitchen tables via app' out of our kitchen tables via app, we're going to be joined by app, we're going to be joined by a council who thinks the decline of centres is of our beloved town centres is due the merciless war on the due to the merciless war on the car. i to agree so samuel car. i tend to agree so samuel thoughts and questions place but david and ken david starkey and ken livingstone vaiews@gbnews.uk us all up after the latest headunes all up after the latest headlines with polly middlehurst . bev thank you . good evening. . bev thank you. good evening. our top story tonight, the us president joe biden says the united is going to be announcing new sanctions against russia week. joe biden was speaking to thousands gathered in the centre of warsaw and he told the crowds that the ukrainian people's love of , their country would prevail of, their country would prevail in the war against russia. it also follows talks he held this afternoon with , the president of afternoon with, the president of poland, a day after his surprise

visit to ukraine. the two leaders today addressed issues and nato's presence . poland, the and nato's presence. poland, the west was not plotting to attack russia . as putin said today , and russia. as putin said today, and millions of russian only want to live in peace with their neighbours. are the enemy . this neighbours. are the enemy. this war is never a necessity. it's a tragedy . well, earlier the tragedy. well, earlier the secretary of state, antony blinken, said decision to suspend its participation in a nuclear treaty is deeply unfortunate and irresponsible . unfortunate and irresponsible. vladimir putin may denounce . but vladimir putin may denounce. but dunng vladimir putin may denounce. but during a major state of the nafion during a major state of the nation on the war in ukraine where he also bitterly the west of trying to acquire limitless power , russia has now summoned power, russia has now summoned the us ambassador over what it describes as an aggressive course set by washington . but course set by washington. but russia does not abandon the treaty but suspends its

participation before . assuming participation before. assuming the discussion of this treaty , the discussion of this treaty, we must first understand what such countries have nato like and great britain aspire to do. and how will take their strategic arsenals into account . here, the chancellor is under pressure to improve public sector pay rises for workers after official show state finances are in stronger shape than predicted . the office for than predicted. the office for national statistics has revealed the government reported a monthly of the government reported a monthly 0 f £5.4 billion in monthly of £5.4 billion in january. the surprising number is mainly because of self—assessment income tax. but jeremy , who is due to set out jeremy, who is due to set out his plans for tax and spending in the budget march the 15th has played down the significance the surplus, the national finances supermarket are going to be rationing a growing list of fruits and vegetables asda is one of the supermarket apps that will allow customers a maximum of just three items from a list of just three items from a list of eight, which includes tomatoes , broccoli and

tomatoes, broccoli and raspberries . morrisons will be raspberries. morrisons will be following suit from wednesday . following suit from wednesday. bad weather across europe and africa is being blamed for the disruption in supply chains with retailers warning it could go on for weeks . and lastly, the for weeks. and lastly, the princess of wales visited a care home elderly people today in berkshire and as it's pancake day, kate picked up some batter spatula and a frying pan to flip up some culinary treats. however, even the princess had to admit she didn't have much of a flair for it. she said her children may even boycott her pancakes after seeing her attempt, which she called a congealed blob , but have you congealed blob, but have you pancake down, you're up to date on tv, online and dab radio. this is gb news. the people's channel bev turner is in florence fox .

florence fox. so kate and humza yousaf two of the candidates to step forward to take over the snp reins following the shock resignation of nicola of the north last week and what an odd couple they make about the only thing that unites them is the desire to break up them is the desire to break up the united kingdom. if it comes to down these two, those scots, the seditious ones, at least have a big choice on their hands about the future of their country, especially if they eventually do get what they ultimately want independence humza yousaf . if the health humza yousaf. if the health secretary who oversaw the longest any waiting times on record, it would probably be sturgeon's candidate . he's no sturgeon's candidate. he's no stranger to a gaffe , as we see stranger to a gaffe, as we see here. at least he's not in lycra all but the boy has the same smiley , totalitarian, smiley, totalitarian, progressive instincts, as did nicola . he supported the gender nicola. he supported the gender

bill, of course, and in his old job as justice secretary, he introduced controversial hate crime bill, which could see those deemed to be insulting towards protect acted groups jailed for up to seven years. he even told msps you could be prosecuted for statements made over your own identity . bill over your own identity. bill free speech might not some of his agenda, but at least he apologised today for being fined 300 quid for driving a police car without insurance . kate car without insurance. kate forbes on the other hand , seems forbes on the other hand, seems to have been born some time in the 1860s, falling down a wormhole. well, misty morning up on the highlands and reappeared on the highlands and reappeared on a sky news interview in 2023, spouting off about the ills of abortion and homosexual marriage . although being fair to her, she said that these are her personal views stemming from her religious background and that she wouldn't roll back any of the freedoms people currently enjoy . that's okay. then perhaps enjoy. that's okay. then perhaps these two positions are more consequential that of breaking up the union because bit like brexit independence its own is

just a rejection of something it's not an active position without a clear plan for the kind of society you want there's a danger of it withering on the thistle. well one man who understands mrs. forbes views and how affect her and how they'll affect her campaign if actually they'd and how they'll affect her camjhave if actually they'd and how they'll affect her camjhave a if actually they'd and how they'll affect her camjhave a chancetually they'd and how they'll affect her camjhave a chance of lly they'd and how they'll affect her camjhave a chance of being y'd ever have a chance of being enacted, is gavin. gavin ashenden, catholic layman and editor of the catholic herald . editor of the catholic herald. good evening, gavin . hello, good evening, gavin. hello, beth. good evening. good evening. i was it sensible to think of kate forbes to come out with these views at this time .7 i with these views at this time? i think it's political suicide . think it's political suicide. but but the trouble is she went into politics as a christian and she is a christian and she happens believe as all christians do do, that marriage is best between a man and a woman . and it seems to me that's woman. and it seems to me that's about only view that our liberal, pluralistic won't allow . oh, i think there's lots of views that are currently allowed , but daisy crazy, right ? she , but daisy crazy, right? she says. well, these are only my personal views. it wouldn't

affect any policy . that can't be affect any policy. that can't be affect any policy. that can't be a genuine can it? no, of course it is, because everybody has their preferred moral outlook . their preferred moral outlook. but there are very people who, in a liberal, pluralistic society want to impose that other people we don't we don't do that. she set out to govern society, according to the mps agenda and the fact that she doesn't want to practise abortion and that she's not gay and she wants to married, that's got nothing to do with . the got nothing to do with. the pubuc got nothing to do with. the public policies she would be elected to . there's a sort of elected to. there's a sort of almost like a paranoia yeah. that there's an assumption that christians to make everybody live like them and they don't a matter of free choice but you say that she may not she wouldn't it's not that she doesn't want to practise abortion. she's actually off on maternity leave at the moment, actually, coincidentally, as we speak. i think does play speak. but i think it does play into idea that that into the idea that that a cabinet like that is just not

living in 2023 and therefore can't relate to the electorate . can't relate to the electorate. i mean, you know, she was she was saying it went so far as to say, you know, it sex should only be within marriage age. how can we put any sort of decision making about sex education, schools or contraception access access for the 14 ages and for anyone, frankly, that isn't married in the hands of somebody that things like that , but that things like that, but that's a very odd view to have. it assumes that progress only goesin it assumes that progress only goes in one direction. and the fact is, all these matters are open to argument. and what works better, what makes the best happiness? what gives society the greatest, the things that we're at the moment don't work very well. if a society they're great for liberal choice. but are you saying that nobody's allowed to argue for a different way of doing a different way of doing marriage that be doing marriage? that would be ludicrous . i think there are ludicrous. i think there are some fundamental that have changed in society that the vast majority of the population agree with, is that sex of

with, which is that sex of marriage is okay if not to be encouraged, and that abortion is an option . some people sometimes an option. some people sometimes in their life and for somebody to state quite publicly they don't agree with those two very bafic don't agree with those two very basic freedom aims that we have, i think is odd frankly. basic freedom aims that we have, i think is odd frankly . but are i think is odd frankly. but are you saying that people who believe in sex outside marriage have closed and they can't consider any other ? there are consider any other? there are some very good reasons psychologically and, sociologically and in terms of sexual health of anything. the in which we do sex. the idea that what we've come upon at the moment is simply the very best possible way of human beings managing their personal relationships is an indefensible. there are different ways should be open different ways we should be open to about them. we are. to talking about them. we are. and that's why we are talking about them. and i guess you would argue, therefore, that she's right to she has she's right to have she has a right say this, but as you right to say this, but as you say, it is political suicide.

those views are frankly, i'm pleased that they are nish now . pleased that they are nish now. i'm not judging having a faith that's wonderful. i would applaud anybody that has a christian or any faith of christian faith or any faith of any particular issue i applaud that respect that . but i think that respect that. but i think for somebody who wants to lead a main political party in 2023 to say that sex should only be in marriage, that they don't believe in gay marriage is archaic. well, but what are they asking? the same things of her of mr. yusuf islam believes exactly the same things. why is a no fuss about the fact that he's muslim. these are islamic views and that both candidates actually share the same views about private morality. why is it only the christian is getting in the neck and being told it's political suicide? well, i guess she's what you make a very good point on. i told you i don't disagree with that all. disagree with that at all. i guess she's the only one who who has come out and said this at this particular time and as you say, she's moved down. what would you say ? sorry being asked

would you say? sorry being asked about it? well the fact is, everyone knows that music is a muslim. and everyone also knows that the views that our law reform sells are the same as muslims , jews. but but none of muslims, jews. but but none of the none of the reporters are asking him what the what the what his faith teaches and whether he believes in it or not. he's getting a completely free pass . that can't be right free pass. that can't be right in a free and open society . in a free and open society. well, i don't agree. i would i would love to ask him that question. don't know if anybody has particularly asked him this question. and i know we have the opportunity to hear answer that. and as you say, that will therefore be a more more level playing field. maybe we are giving a hard time and she giving him a hard time and she she's come out and said, you know, people what she know, people want what does she say, longing for a politician to answer straight questions with straight your cs up for straight answers. your cs up for somebody who doesn't believe in gay lots of these gay marriage but lots of these candidates i think it's fair to say that kate forbes , what have say that kate forbes, what have your votes ? well think it was

your votes? well think it was very refreshing to hear what she thought a woman was. and when she said a woman is not somebody who can rape, i think i and a whole of other people breathed a huge sigh of relief. the fact is, it's probably more important for a politician to have moral principles they hold to in principles that they hold to in their own lives, some kind of personal integrity than it is the notion they they want impose on other people . i think it's on other people. i think it's a very welcome thing to. have a politician that has integrity and that because she doesn't want to impose her views on others we should respect her. i think it's very welcome. well gavin, i respect your views . i gavin, i respect your views. i love the fact that you've come on here and discussed it with me. no doubt this would be me. and no doubt this would be a first many conversations first of many conversations around forbes, so around kate forbes, thank you so much joining gavin much forjoining me. gavin ashenden, layman and ashenden, catholic layman and editor the catholic herald. editor of the catholic herald. what do you make of all? gb what do you make of it all? gb views dougie beattie .uk is views at dougie beattie .uk is the email going to be talking to my panel in just a moment? here with mayor london with me, former mayor of london , livingstone and his in a dr.

david starkey are here tonight as new calling for riddick enlists measures to combat climate change. don't go anywhere .

this is bev turner tonight on the 8:00 slot. we've seen climate change hysteria take its grip on our country over the past few years. everything from pounng past few years. everything from pouring soup on bank of sunflowers to black lives matter, blocking airport runways because climate change is also apparently racist i don't even get me started whilst many would dismiss these instances as a few loud mouth eccentrics an loud mouth eccentrics amidst an otherwise reasonable and well—intentioned intentioned agenda, it's impossible to know that it's also backed by instant accusations will lead university have just released research

recommend doing second world war style ration ing of petrol household energy and meet the combat climate change. so what's your grandpa brits may have done their bit by donating scrap metal of working in munitions factories or indeed going off to fight just all become fight. we've now just all become like red clad, riding, like red clad, bike riding, vegetarian for the greater good kind of research has at least concede this was the unpalatable option. ken livingstone david starkey are here with me . this starkey are here with me. this can all be traced back to you. start in congestion charge . it's start in congestion charge. it's all your fault, isn't it? can you believe how far we've come ? you believe how far we've come? when i brought in the congestion charge before then central london gridlocked people were just stuck in their cars. it is now. have you ever been in central london? it's gridlock now. there's 12% less cars came into london. pollution went down % and but what got to say to people up you've got to get our cars use public transport because the pollution you're

producing the damage you the environment is devastating . i'm environment is devastating. i'm so i just i'm so tired of having this conversation . it's such an this conversation. it's such an important conversation. have i think in that that's a lovely idea in a sort of utopian ideal. if london was just a village where everybody tottered around , it was always 25 degrees outside . but on , it was always 25 degrees outside. but on a , it was always 25 degrees outside . but on a dark, rainy, outside. but on a dark, rainy, cold night, when you've got to be ferrying children around. and what do you want people to do under those circumstances? well in life, i've never in all my life, i've never dnven in all my life, i've never driven car. i've just always used public transport. and that's good for your health, actually. i mean, it doesn't look it can i say, can you're not a shining example of not exactly a shining example of robust health. i'm a year older than you. and i look at them better and i sit and i in the car whenever i can. i also understand there's a purpose for cities, cities are about connectivity the reason you live in the city it because want to be able to get around cities. it's a fundamental of civilisation. it's the fundamental of capitalism. it's the reason ken and i were

discussing before we came to just sit on the bus and have a chat to someone. no. know not. i mean it depends on who you you've anything. so let me just let me finish. is reading depends what the if anything serious to do. cities are the foundation of civilisation and what people like can to doing with for the moment i will concede good motives. they are dilip brutally killing our economy . but wherever you look economy. but wherever you look it is being deliberately the planet literally. who cares ? got planet literally. who cares? got to change. no, this is nonsense oh by the middle of this i mean ten years go by fear. by the end of the century we could face extinction and climate change. but we have. this is rubbish. now this rubbish the minister saying a believer saying you you were a believer in the weather all the in the weather all over the world. i to look. here world. oh, i hate to look. here in there was snow the in britain there was snow the ground winter in london ground every winter in london when i a kid, i was seen when i was a kid, i was seen about three died so far this year and every summer now it's hotter than ever had hotter than we've ever had before summer on that before last summer on that hottest day , 2000 londoners died

hottest day, 2000 londoners died from the heat. but you must know that we are what experience, what we have measured is a tiny penod what we have measured is a tiny period when i mean again tens memory . memory period when i mean again tens memory. memory is so period when i mean again tens memory . memory is so short period when i mean again tens memory. memory is so short. back in the 1970s, the great panic was we were going to have a new ice age human beings can cope perfect be easily with increased temperature as an ice age will be completely catastrophic and you can put forward a very good argument that the only reason we've not had another ice age because we had one until the 19405 because we had one until the 1940s and we had another one in the late 19th century, had terrible one in the 16th and 17th centuries is the great problem . ken's position. listen problem. ken's position. listen to what he says, we've got an emergency it's panic, it's terror what he's trying to do is exactly these fools and the university of leeds are trying to do they're trying to panic as human beings have coped with everything that's been thrown at them providing you've not had it's not that panic i've five

kids i don't want them to die in that suit and nor do i have every week now the news there's a massive fine weather event somewhere in the world that's much, much worse than when you and all the grown ups in the how isn't it the arrogance of man to think that we can do much about that in all in our lifetime we can. we just need to conserve some less. we need to . why were some less. we need to. why were you saying you all want us to socialising with you? you want us to? because the world you spent most of your time socialising with friends, neighbours , workmates. now neighbours, workmates. now people are much more isolated. they're consuming that's because of so much of the eco zealotry is encouraged us to live these smaller lives. we talks about the calling for rations of seamless sit in your house bev. i grew we are ken and i are the same age he was clearly content with that boring world of the 19505, with that boring world of the 1950s, which was narrow which was it was narrow. it was mean.

there was awful food. i do i spent my life wanting twists . he spent my life wanting twists. he clearly spent life wanting to other people into this awful boredom . i am on the side of the boredom. i am on the side of the future . you belong to it. you to future. you belong to it. you to a pre—modern . and so why a pre—modern. and so why wouldn't you admit it, you would like us to go back to hans, huddung like us to go back to hans, huddling in the middle of winter feels like today. we still don't know, i think huddling animal that spends time collectively friends, neighbours and now so many people are living a tiny little flat, angry calm. there can be less because it was filled by a socialist government. people are scared to use public transport. what's the most because of acts of violence i've ever seen in my lifetime have been on trains. they've been on buses , you know, and been on buses, you know, and this does affect the poor , the this does affect the poor, the people who can't afford to get a tax say back from the pub . those tax say back from the pub. those are the people that are being

forced onto private buses and tubes. all my life i've seen an act of violence once . well, that act of violence once. well, that might be because you are a man. it's different for women. i'm pretty weak , man. yeah, but you pretty weak, man. yeah, but you know. and was mayor of london for quite a long. you probably got quite lot positive got quite a lot positive possibly those transports and possibly on those transports and that you were abused. i'm sure you did. yeah, absolutely. and but this idea, though, david, a, we just i agree. we have to consume less or we was too easy to go out to go to these cheap shops. to go out to go to these cheap shops . you go to your shops shops. you go to your shops where everything's liquid and you buy a load of plastic tap for the kids and it all ends up in bin. we can all do better in the bin. we can all do better wasting money on this stuff. this goes to landfill. this is goes to landfill. i agree with that but what i don't is that have sort of is the idea that we have sort of rationing our food in order to save the planet because you know who's rationing food? who's not rationing the food? the super rich but the rich the super rich but sorry this is all getting into the and it's getting very silly the and it's getting very silly the plain truth is that there is no climate emerge and there is

no climate emerge and there is no emerging sea about population. there is no emergency about the amount of goods that are available . what goods that are available. what about the storm that just hit it's like come late so you've talked a lot let me let me let me just finish this we're in we are in a world in which we are able to generate excess right back the early 19th century, there was this notion that was peddled peddled by moses that the population of the world would exceed its resources that nofion would exceed its resources that notion has been demonstrated be conclusively perhaps absolutely wrong . if you when we obtained wrong. if you when we obtained and i were growing up there were all these which can i'm sure helped to peddle there was going to be starvation in india. india has never produced more rights than it does now because of science and because of agriculture. in other words, this attempt saying we've all got to cut back because there's an emergency, we've got there's an emergency, we've got there's a war on climate change is complete mythmaking. and it's you know what people like ken,

who wanted to comptrollers ken was an extra i will ken one great credit you were an extraordinary administrator what you did this is really important what you did when you were mayor of london was to create a straitjacket , a corset for straitjacket, a corset for london which is the most ruinous since it had walls in the middle ages. since it had walls in the middle ages . it is wholly destructive . ages. it is wholly destructive. it was brilliantly conceived . it was brilliantly conceived. its final purpose is catastrophic . it and its final purpose is catastrophic. it and your successor is a current is destroying the economy of london. these people leeds will destroy the national the international economy because rationing has rationing the sort of thing that you with the congestion charge has been proved everywhere above in the kinds of countries you love , kinds of countries you love, like the soviet union or cuba , like the soviet union or cuba, to be an utter catastrophe , to be an utter catastrophe, literally, if we want our children to , have a nice oh this children to, have a nice oh this is rubbish. we've got to stop it. i mean you look all around

the world there are more and more violent weather events all the time. i mean, you look here in britain, the number of people dying in them is tiny. in britain, the number of people dying in them is tiny . tiny. you dying in them is tiny. tiny. you look back, we to have snow on the ground every winter. you said that once and. now we've only seen if you've said it twice , about three days, three twice, about three days, three times. every summer is hotter than and it's now changing after in the last since the 19th century it is hotter now year by year by year . century it is hotter now year by year by year. and last summer when you study 2000 died from the people die anyway. chuckling well, i'm sort of fascinated by this idea that if we want our children have a good future right now i'm worried about my children. yeah. and unless of course i cast the thoughts one day having grandchildren, but i want my children to be able to use a car and i can take them in the car for safe reasons. i like the car for safe reasons. i like the locks on my door. i don't want to be walking around the street and getting the buses and tubes which are expensive and

dirty , overcrowded and horrible. dirty, overcrowded and horrible. what your kids life good is the time they spend with friends and so on. and that's that's the world. it's almost eroded. i mean, we grew up in a world where you spent so much on friends, neighbours. now, very often people are just stuck at home. i've said that before already can really do, but you can connect to the drive for a smaller life ration of food, rationing of travel. need to connect that though the fact that that keeps people apart . connect that though the fact that that keeps people apart. no no it doesn't give people plans . we spend more time with each other and it literally if i back we grew up in a world where we part of community now so many people living alone so throttling and throttling and me you were talking about gay . gay you were talking about gay. gay liberation was from exactly that community of the 1950s that you're talking about. the other thing that ken has forgotten to say as we discussing coming in was people of our parents generation died in their fifties

and sixties . the reason they and sixties. the reason they live now is modern. modern medicine depends on their diets . but it depends on above all, on economic progress and he wants to kill it. i want to see it triumph. and you know what, i want to see all those people. the third world, able to share what we have in this recipe is designed to make us vast, poor as they are. and i have to interrupt. you've got another 30 minutes of this to come. and i would like issue an apology for dr. david stark . would like issue an apology for dr. david stark. his terrible language there . we should walk language there. we should walk now, then . i'll tell you in the now, then. i'll tell you in the break. coming up next, could more contentious statues be at risk of vandalism? the met police seem to think so. see you . in three. coming up on time, washington after the devastating discovery , nicola bulley body discovery, nicola bulley body bringing a tragic end to one of the most widely criticised in recent times has the controversial handling of the case made you lose faith in the police. plus, as reports claim

is upset over her south malt samantha markle hits back in an exclusive interview . and it'll exclusive interview. and it'll be another noise of unfiltered opinion from nigel farage. tom and baroness kate towie join down 9 pm. to 11 pm, only on.

gb news bev turner. a freedom of information act met police has revealed that several statues in london listed as contentious may be prone to attack because of their links to war imperialism or slavery. the foi submitted by the think tank the policy exchange concluded that statues prone to attack all the cenotaph crime orwell. sir robert peel, earl mountbatten , burma and earl mountbatten, burma and gandhl earl mountbatten, burma and gandhi. the politics change has

accused the police of a decline in order within direct vicinity of westminster, leaving it exposed to these attacks . right. exposed to these attacks. right. still with me all ken livingstone and david starkey david, as are his stories and i will come to you first. what do you make of this information that's come out of this freedom of information? frankly, it's pitiable the thought that you would attack a of gandhi who is the interestingly enough the direct opponent . what's direct opponent. what's fascinating is it's both and gandhi . yes. the two men were in gandhi. yes. the two men were in opposition over freedom of india and originally. the idea of granting dominion status and then full independ to india is fundamentally about saying no human being allowed to have any sly at all. it's a false view of humanity. all of us even can as got flaws. i have abundant. i'm sure you did. you're a perfect

and a woman. but the reason those statues go up is that those statues go up is that those people did something great. often, many things are great, but equally , of course, great, but equally, of course, they have flaws and. they particularly have flaws. you read history backwards, but the fact we think you're there for you, petty little non—entity of a person are entitled to besmirch literally, physically by defacing a monument to those people who work great, did great things and above all give you the freedom to deface monument. imagine if churchill had not led us to victory in the second world war. we would be subject to the kind of world that ken was once very keen on. ken was terribly keen on dictatorships. he loved cuba . he adored the he loved cuba. he adored the soviet union. he promised with all of these people. and you know what? i think if ken were honest, it would say , but it

honest, it would say, but it should actually inhibit him from saying anything on this subject , because if you wouldn't do that if you wish, if you would know. but i'm just asking for you will honest. he likes to play you will honest. he likes to play being honest. but imagine if in the in the era when you were with all the leaders in cuba , you would gone and defaced cuba, you would gone and defaced two statue of the sound of the cigar smoking old villain. that's true. you just. you would just not experience slap on the wrist. they wouldn't have boarded up the statue. they'd have something horrible and what i think is would ever a statue of any of our previous politicians because need to understand the history . we need understand the history. we need to know what they did . the good to know what they did. the good things and the bad things. and it was appalling to watch people attacking statues recently. i mean, that's part of our history . we need to understand our history and, respect our past. but make sure we don't repeat these mistakes in state car. at these mistakes in state car. at the moment, i think has a commission, doesn't it, looking at what's historical monuments ,

at what's historical monuments, plaques, statues, editing the past worth editing the past king down. i wouldn't mind. not i wouldn't take any statue down. we just need to have on the bottom open an honest account what those politicians who would write it. you see, this is the problem. i'd be prepared. do it if they pay me. and i'm sure. and it would be rubbish and that because there's no such thing as a single, honest account. one i think those statue should be there for is objects of debate. i mean, let me you an illustration. for many years i sat on something that ken was once upon a time responsible for, which was the blue plaque committee. oh, did you. and what i wanted to do was to recognise that people of everitt. so there is the well—known market act. who is responsible? i better not mention his name because i was charged. a lot . and who charged. i drink a lot. and who was responsible for horror, which is the knightsbridge ? which is the knightsbridge? right. there was a huge campaign to have a blue plaque on the house. i said , i will agree to

house. i said, i will agree to this, providing what appears on that plaque is architect and vandal and unit. this is this is really what we're talking. we're talking about the diversity , the talking about the diversity, the difference of human beings. but the problem is the people who were doing this, the black lives campaigners, the unit, were doing this, the black lives campaigners, the unit , the campaigners, the unit, the i.r.a. sympathisers , the again, i.r.a. sympathisers, the again, something else. ken was rather fond on the sinn fein sympathisers who were daubing daubing statues. sympathisers who were daubing daubing statues . what they want, daubing statues. what they want, of course, is wills, which just corresponds to their view. they're not interested . but when they're not interested. but when i became the leader of the great london council, the army was letting off a bomb every year in library remember vividly the satchel was refusing to negotiate with them. i started a dialogue and thatcher refused to take up on that. and the first time at gerry adams you made it absolutely clear we know we can defeat the british army. we to do a deal. tragically thatcher said we talk about stuff when we talk about statues that deal within the space of a year. i

think you're forgetting john think you're forgetting john major's role, but let's talk about statues. what do think happened, ken, that there are people who so easy to and people who are so easy to and get so angry at history at the past at sort of an ideology possibly potentially died that person. but you actually do every nation and culture has a pool and things in its past. we need to be honest and recognise that. need to be honest and recognise that . i need to be honest and recognise that. i mean the need to be honest and recognise that . i mean the world need to be honest and recognise that. i mean the world isn't as bad as it once used to be but still terrible things are going on. shouldn't we equally recognise the glorious and is one of the things that has gone so hideously wrong in britain that britain and america, the so—called anglosphere, literally invent modernity. they industrialisation they invent freedom . africa has no notion of freedom. africa has no notion of freedom. africa has no notion of freedom . asia has no notion of freedom. asia has no notion of freedom. asia has no notion of freedom and no notion of rights. whatever they're all invented,

literally around this place. that's ken. just one second, and then you come back there, invent speed round westminster westmore is the cradle of new civilisation of our civilisation. a in which the idea it's , an ideal that idea it's, an ideal that government depends on debate. it doesn't depend on guns or force . and by trashing westminster , . and by trashing westminster, you are trashing that belief in debate in reason above all, in freedom , liberty and the future freedom, liberty and the future . and this is the problem, ken. you're your belief everything is shutting down, that we've got to start rationing and denying is the absolute opposite of that world of westminster. that world of westminster that gave us freedom. i believe. i'm sorry. i i know in america , these major i know in america, these major advanced . these and all of that. advanced. these and all of that. but they also deter, of course, in america, that treated black people. yes yes, we but so did

nation. so the only thing that's new about britain acknowledged the truth i will recognise the truth , but the great truth is truth, but the great truth is that other civilisation , that other civilisation, including particularly black african and particularly the islamic world, had slavery. there was only one civil nation that anything about it, it was yours and mine then. but sorry this is the important thing in. history. it is the unusual and the exceptional that must write slavish . our past has been to slavish. our past has been to create the modern civilisation. we now understand . but we also we now understand. but we also need to recognise it is having an impact on the environment . we an impact on the environment. we also have to tackle that not by winding it all down, but just stopping waste, stopping pollution. what do you think it is it the rest of the world? what a good use of police that with this stat choose to be worrying about them to be keeping a record where there might be an outbreak of violence or . well, let might be an outbreak of violence or. well, let me just say to

you, to anyone watching this program, we won't see an attempt to stop you. you're wrong. those statues depict our past . we need statues depict our past. we need to see them understand and recognise the good and the bad of the people that are on that statue. the idea people are trying to want demolish trying to want to demolish a statue is nonsense. but isn't the just the other quick thing is the disgraceful behaviour of our police in which they regard the right to protest. in other words , the right to deface to as words, the right to deface to as more important their duty to protect the great monuments of our political culture . it's the our political culture. it's the disgrace of the police , which disgrace of the police, which should be the central right. are watching the bev turner. get a word in edgewise. show is coming up next. when's the last time you visited your local high street? what was once the life and centre of all communities is currently in terminal decline ? currently in terminal decline? going to be talking to a local wolverhampton about going to be talking to a local wolsituation on about going to be talking to a local wolsituation in about going to be talking to a local wolsituation in his about going to be talking to a local wolsituation in his hometown ut the situation in his hometown back in two. i'm evans. the situation in his hometown back in two. i'm evans . join me back in two. i'm evans. join me on gb news for headline it 11 pm. what's the scoop. i'll be

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becoming a nation. ghost towns conservative simon bennetts from wool the hampton has been deaung wool the hampton has been dealing with this issue on his own patch and he joins me now. simon good evening . thank you simon good evening. thank you very much for joining simon good evening. thank you very much forjoining me, it feels like a lot about you, but it feels like we're in the middle of this historic industrial change, it's before our very eyes . i, for one, am our very eyes. i, for one, am worried that we have not this through. what you think the social implications be of the demise of the high streets . to demise of the high streets. to be honest , i demise of the high streets. to be honest, i think the high streets have over a long of time been there's been a slow, long, slow demise over, a long period of time where we probably could have actually done more to protect the high. so, you know, before start thinking about the social aspects of the impact on our high streets, it's how we got there in first place, particularly more hampton where we've seen over the 50 years of

control in wolverhampton not enough done to bring investment into the city centre to protect the businesses that are already there . you know, the hearts our there. you know, the hearts our communities are generally are high streets , shopping precincts high streets, shopping precincts and are where the investment needs to go . we've got a lot of needs to go. we've got a lot of projects , projects going on projects, projects going on perhaps at the moment. i think the priorities are in the wrong place. never mind bringing, you know , pedestrianised zones into know, pedestrianised zones into the city centre that keep cars out . we want to be allowing cars out. we want to be allowing cars to continue come in and that bnngs to continue come in and that brings the footfall into the city centres and allows those businesses to thrive . i love it. businesses to thrive. i love it. simon writes so you are a man who is not prepared to take this lying down. when i ask you what the social changes is thinking, are you going to go well ? are you going to go well? everyone's going to be isolated. no one's ever going to meet anyone. we a mental health anyone. we have a mental health epidemic. going epidemic. it's just going to be disastrous. are know, disastrous. you are going know, i'm let this go yet. i'm ready to let this go yet. good you might kind of mind simon, why is there this

resistance within councils? why simon, why is there this resis' so ce within councils? why simon, why is there this resis' so anti ithin councils? why simon, why is there this resis' so anti car] councils? why simon, why is there this resis' so anti car ?:ouncils? why simon, why is there this resis'so anti car ? i�*uncils? why simon, why is there this resis' so anti car ? i know.? why simon, why is there this resis'so anti car ? i know it's hy they so anti car? i know it's about saving the planet but . why about saving the planet but. why does more about does nobody care more about saving the shops ? absolutely. i saving the shops? absolutely. i think it comes down to not just the anti motorist anti business aspects to it. it's the it is sorry. it is the anti business aspect of it as well. you know we want to see our businesses grow increase in wolverhampton but you've got bus lines and bus gates. the sort generate 2022 want to so nearly £1,000,000 imposing fines last year and 2021 it was imposing fines last year and 2021 it wa s £700,000. so these 2021 it was £700,000. so these are seen as cash cows to the local authority they local authority not so they don't need to they don't need the cars coming into the city centre. they're getting their from other means. they don't need the businesses in the city centre it's it actually centre and it's it actually wolverhampton local businesses to together in particularly to come together in particularly one local business owner to put the money forward himself , to do the money forward himself, to do an independent into the city centre in our high street in wolverhampton, to work out

where, if i'm wrong, why gone wrong and why the council isn't doing support those doing more to support those businesses . so it has. i'm not businesses. so it has. i'm not entirely familiar with wolverhampton city centre. simon i can't lie, but what's, what's the, what does the difference be, what does look like now compared to say probably as little as three or four years ago . i mean you can probably in ago. i mean you can probably in the last ten years since since i've been going out in the night time economy in a drastic decline in the amount of night clubs bars, restaurants that you can actually in the city centre there, i would say actually a on a walk around today there are more empty shops outside than there is trading shops in wolverhampton . why are those wolverhampton. why are those shops , what is and there's more shops, what is and there's more moving out. you know in the last two or three weeks we've seen another or three shops and another two or three shops and i spoke one on the weekend that spoke to one on the weekend that i that gets a lot i bought that, that gets a lot of money from the football trade when the wolves were home and they're already talking about selling go up and moving on

because it just isn't right for them anymore the city centre isn't a place where they make money anymore and it hasn't been by some of the leisure aspects of city centre. so civic halls and wolverhampton , a famous and wolverhampton, a famous name, the local music and comedy that's been closed the last eight years and number of setbacks and increase the budget. it's five times over budget. it's five times over budget and in that time a lot of businesses have gone because were reliant on that footfall from from those kind of things, from from those kind of things, from having football there in the city which tell you now that the city which tell you now that the premier league football club i even more worried for i would be even more worried for our centre and the future our city centre and the future long term future for a lot of the independent in our city centre . i mean, i can say i can centre. i mean, i can say i can see marks and spencer moving out of the high street soon as well. i don't i don't see any of these businesses hanging around anymore. and it's not just wolverhampton. you're a brilliant example this your home town is a great example where

it's going downhill very very quickly. but we are seeing all around the country of course some would say this is just this is how we have to move forward . is how we have to move forward. everybody's going to be shopping onune everybody's going to be shopping online anyway as much as they do now, it's not worth for retail to hold stores on a high street. it's better to have it in a warehouse and. you order it on your computer and it arrives via amazon at your front door via the delivery man at your front doon the delivery man at your front door. is that is there any chance stemming this tide? do we just have to accept it's happening ? no, definitely . lot happening? no, definitely. lot that can be done. and i've been to many cities and towns across the country through what i do, my personal life, i travel quite a bit and you know , i see the a bit and you know, i see the places that are thriving , got places that are thriving, got lots, a range of different businesses, premium ones . in businesses, premium ones. in wolverhampton we've just got and shops and that's what we're starting to get to the stage now where we've got these cheap high

street clothing shops rather than anything that's, you know, people can go to birmingham on the for a quid, you know, the train for a quid, you know, why would they stay in wolverhampton when they can get out of the city and to areas that are providing those facilities , they can go to facilities, they can go to telford nearby where there's free parking at labour camps in wolverhampton , introduce free wolverhampton, introduce free parking that one way of allowing people back into city centre. people will shop where want it's most convenient . there's a lack most convenient. there's a lack of parking spaces that offer a if there are obstacles in in into the city centre . but as you into the city centre. but as you say it's the high streets are changing amazon . amazon didn't changing amazon. amazon didn't p0p up changing amazon. amazon didn't pop up overnight. it's been around for a number of years now. okay during covid where they really came into their own and were able to get things to people . yeah. and very quickly people. yeah. and very quickly and kept us kept you know people with things that they need to keep. and so you remember the pace change has been incredible

and that high street in terms of getting people back in footfall, changing the nature of and then we get people has to be appealing. simon i'm sorry to interrupt to you know, what is waiting around the corner. bennett the conservative ben nett the conservative councillor bennett the conservative councillor , wolverhampton down councillor, wolverhampton down will be up next. i have been bev turner, i be back on tv news at 10:00 tomorrow morning . cnn good 10:00 tomorrow morning. cnn good evening. my name's rachel ayres and welcome to your latest weather forecast from the met office. it's been quite a mild start to the week, but it's all change as we go into wednesday of cold air makes its way in from northwest. this is all due to a low pressure system to just the south of iceland that's bringing a cold front south eastwards . the uk throughout eastwards. the uk throughout tonight and into wednesday morning . so this will be a band morning. so this will be a band of cloud, some rain in it as well. quite heavy. scotland, northern ireland and northern england for a time tonight. ahead of that, they will be mostly quite cloudy mostly dry, though quite cloudy . so temperatures here will

still remaining for one last still be remaining for one last night. really they behind that clearing skies will allow temperatures to drop . we could temperatures to drop. we could just see a touch of grass frost here to start wednesday that cold front will make its sporadically southeast through wednesday bringing patchy rain throughout the day and cloudy skies particularly across east anglia and south—east for much of the day . behind this, though, of the day. behind this, though, skies clear, allowing for plenty of sunshine , but also some of sunshine, but also some scattered showers that could be wintry over high . now, as they wintry over high. now, as they go wednesday evening, that will start to clear away from the southeast. they may linger for a time and it will still be quite cloudy here as well. overnight they behind that skies will clear once as we go into thursday. so another patchy frost around , particularly frost around, particularly across wales northern england, scotland and ireland. and we could see some icy stretches on roads and pavements , roads and pavements, particularly for scotland and england, those going to the

start of thursday will be another cloudy start across the far southeast with some rain still lingering. but for elsewhere be plenty of sunshine to start the day though rain , to start the day though rain, will start to make its way in across northern scotland, bringing strong winds too. it's quite an unsettled start. so the outlook becoming increasingly dry by weekend with temperatures around average .

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