. nigel, thank polly middle east. nigel, thank you. good evening to you. the top story tonight on gb news. the defence secretary says challenger two battle tanks could arrive in ukraine by the spring. ben wallace made the comments during a visit to a british army base , dorset, where british army base, dorset, where ukrainian soldiers are training on standard british tanks. uk has already promised to send 14 to ukraine. but mr. wallace says britain could offer up additional tanks depending on the threat level and the country's defence needs. here the prime minister has said he'll certainty stability and clarity as he seeks a deal on post—brexit arrangements in northern ireland. rishi sunak held talks with northern irish business today as he faced renewed pressure to achieve workable solution to the stalled protocol. earlier, mr. sunak told the commons intensive talks with the eu are ongoing. i i'm a

conservative, a brexiteer and a unionist and any agreement that we reach needs to take all three boxes. it needs to ensure sovereignty for northern ireland and is to safeguard northern ireland's place in our union. and it needs to find practical solutions to the problems faced by people and businesses . solutions to the problems faced by people and businesses. i will be resolute in fighting for what is best for northern ireland and the united kingdom . lancashire the united kingdom. lancashire police . it welcomes the police. it welcomes the forthcoming independent review into its handling of the nicola bulley case to be conducted by the college of policing. it's going to focus on the investigation and on the search as well as the release of personal information about nicola bulley and police's overall communications strategy with the public . separately, the with the public. separately, the police regulator has launched an investigation into a welfare check carried out on rispoli just weeks before she went missing . just weeks before she went missing. body was just weeks before she went missing . body was recovered from missing. body was recovered from the river while on sunday, more than three weeks after she

disappeared. conservatives and tesco is the latest supermarket to introduce a limit on how much fresh produce customers can buy as fruit and vegetable shortages are leaving shelves bare . the are leaving shelves bare. the retailing giant joins aldi, asda and morrisons in temporarily rationing shopping with purchases of tomatoes , peppers purchases of tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers. limited to three per customer. as a precaution. bad weather and problems across europe and north africa are being blamed for disruption to supply chains and retailers are warning of problems could last for a few weeks. lastly, his majesty, the king has an audience with the president of the german parliament ahead of a trip to germany later this month . king charles will become the first british monarch to address the bundestag during a state visit to the country. welcome to bible bus to buckingham palace this afternoon. the trip will follow on from a state visit to france with the queen consort at

the end of march, which is due to be king charles. his first official abroad since his official trip abroad since his accession to the throne . those accession to the throne. those are your latest news headlines. you are up to date on tv, online at dab, plus radio. this is gb news, the people's channel. time for fresh . for fresh. good evening. well, we're very pleased tonight to bring the first full sit down television interview with our home secretary , suella braverman. and secretary, suella braverman. and it was conducted by liam halligan. gb news is economics edhon halligan. gb news is economics editor. he joins me now. liam you cover a wide range of subjects. what were the ones that really stood out.7 was great to be a guest on the show, nigel. talking about this interview. it was her first sit down tv interview as a 25 minute encounter conducted in the home office in her own office. went

through lots of security protocol and all the rest of it . gb news you can watch the thing on our youtube channel and on our app, but we're looking at the main parts here tonight and we're going to be discussing them. i think the first thing that we spoke about was the small boats and immigration problem, which of course is a major issue. and for many people watching gb news viewers and listeners, it will be the issue upon which they judge, the conservative the conservative government and the rebel and much the rest of rebel and much of the rest of the country. let's have a look at liam suella braverman on at liam and suella braverman on the home secretary . over the boats. home secretary. over 45,000 people across the channel in small boats last year. the number this year expected to number this year is expected to be lot higher. rishi sunak, in be a lot higher. rishi sunak, in his own words, is committed to passing new laws to stop small boats. those laws have now been laid before parliament. does that mean that the government's ruled leaving the european convention on human rights in order to try and tackle vexed problem? because you've previously advocated that we should . well, i'd say nothing .

should. well, i'd say nothing. nothing's ruled out at the moment. and we are in the process of preparing our bill to be introduced into parliament very soon and my personal views are well known. what i want to deliver is a system whereby if you arrive here illegally, you'll be detained and thereafter swiftly remove . and thereafter swiftly remove. and if we can deliver that system and that framework, then we shouldn't need to leave. you'll know that british lawyers and mps drafted the european convention of human rights in the shadow of world war ii. we were the first country to ratify it. leaving it would mean only the uk plus belarus and russia. in the council of europe were outside the eec . would that be outside the eec. would that be okay ? well, i think that there okay? well, i think that there are legitimate questions that we need to start asking, relate to our membership of the european convention of human rights and its operation in the united kingdom. we've seen there's a politicised and expansionist

court and strasbourg that regulates the convention. some sometimes at odds with british values. whether it's our ability to remove people to rwanda as we saw last year, the european court of human rights intervened at the 11th hour to stop us from doing that, whether it's our ability to deport foreign, whether it's our ability to police protests , whether it's police protests, whether it's the issue on resolving the issue of ireland legacy claims or legal claims brought against our own soldiers who fought in iraq . in many instances of policy making, the human rights act, what i call as part of the long tail of blairism, it's operation combined with the charter and the court have operated to stymie policymaking . you make stymie policymaking. you make you make a strong legal case with respect home secretary but the optics of leaving the eci are are difficult. you've got the stomach to leave. it clearly has , the prime minister at this has, the prime minister at this stage, nothing's ruled out. we need to ensure that we fix this

problem of illegal migration . problem of illegal migration. that's my priority. and as the prime minister himself has said, he'll do whatever it takes to achieve that goal . we've had achieve that goal. we've had 45,000 people last year here illegally on small boats. that situation is unacceptable. we need to design a robust framework. we need to have a deterrent so people stop making the journey in the first place. and we have to do whatever it takes to ensure that we can deliver that in light of those small boat incidents, we've seen protests now around the country increasingly in liverpool in in rotherham protest planned in newquay in the west country, some have been calling in the media those protesters against asylum seekers perhaps some people will call them illegal immigrants , others would call immigrants, others would call them. some have said that those protests, those are far right . protests, those are far right. is that a fair characterisation of those protesters? well, what i would say firstly, is that violence is never acceptable and

intimidation harassment, any forms of abuse to anybody are totally should be condemned. and i condemn them in the fullest possible terms. and it's clear that we have an unsustainable situation in towns and cities around our country whereby because of the overwhelming of people arriving here illegally our legal duties to accommodate them. we are now having to house them. we are now having to house them in hotels and that is causing under tensions within pressures on local resources and is frankly unsustainable. so you support those protesters? i i very much understand people's frustrate actions with hotels being occupied by large numbers of illegal immigrants or so. what do you make of a leader of a council in cornwall calling . a council in cornwall calling. such protesters who are planning a protest in abhorrent racists and bigots. is that fair? i as i

said, i think anyone contemplating violence , contemplating violence, harassment or intimidation should should desist from doing thatis should should desist from doing that is not an acceptable way to voice your concerns or , voice your concerns or, frustrations. we are all frustrated with the situation that we are currently finding ourselves in. i and it is it is clear and undeniable that there are really really serious pressures communities and saying so does not make you racist bigoted. you're from a background that you're from home secretary. do you think our political and media class more generally understand stand the strength of feeling about this? small boats illegally issue, particularly among migrant communities here in the uk who've adhered to the rules over generations. well, this is the other angle to this problem , the other angle to this problem, the fact that there tens of thousands of people coming here illegally is unacceptable all

because they're jumping the queue and they are undermining our ability to support those people who are coming here legitimately as refugees or as asylum seekers. it is actually inhibiting our ability to provide sanctuary to those people who are coming here lawfully . it is also a serious lawfully. it is also a serious undermining of our laws and our arrangements that we have when it comes to controlling our borders. it's incumbent on any government to their borders and where we must ensure that we do more robustly in the future . more robustly in the future. liam i don't doubt his sincerity for one moment you know she wants to stop this happening as indeed did priti patel. he was the home secretary before. do you get the sense , you know, you you get the sense, you know, you ask who does the prime minister have the stomach to leave the job? she didn't say no, but she kind of intimated that it's no. am i wrong about that? well, suella braverman course, when

she was campaigning to be conservative leader and she did well in that contest, conservative leader and she did well in that contest , she conservative leader and she did well in that contest, she said well in that contest, she said we may need to leave hhr. well, i tell you what, let's be specific about that. this is exactly what said on this issue dunng exactly what said on this issue during the leadership campaign for those watching on television. you read it on the screen for those not i'm going to read it out anyway . we have a to read it out anyway. we have a long history of respecting rights in this country. but the eastgate has become a political court which is thwarting democracy. if any of the candidates are serious about illegal immigration and fully taking back control of our borders , they must also commit borders, they must also commit us committed to leave it now when i've got to tell them. when she that. yeah i said if i was a mp. yeah. she's the one i'd vote for. she's is it fair to say that the responsibilities of office and collective cabinet responsibility to have softened

her position a bit ? well, let me her position a bit? well, let me unpack the way i see it, nigel. you could say that some of her opponents will say that the way i see it is this. she's a lawyer. she jeopardy. she understands negotiations. now the ec] is enforced by the court in strasbourg . it was the court in strasbourg. it was the court in strasbourg. it was the court in strasbourg. it was the court in strasbourg . the appeal to in strasbourg. the appeal to that which stopped those planes taking off to rwanda , which taking off to rwanda, which stymies all kinds of other issues as suella braverman , the issues as suella braverman, the home secretary, explained in that last clip , i think the that last clip, i think the reason she wants to keep the opfion reason she wants to keep the option of leaving the ec] on the table, even though a lot of the, the chattering classes, the great and the good would find that abhorrent is because she knows that there is law that are being laid before parliament now , as i mentioned that the government is putting forward which toughen up our ability as a country to deport people who arrived here . right now if you arrived here. right now if you put those laws through the

commons and they would get through the commons not least because most conservatives would back them as a majority and some red labour mp would also red wall labour mp would also back the way. she knows back them, by the way. she knows there with that in there will be a row with that in clyde chamber. the house of lords and a lot of metropolitan based lawyers who wouldn't any kind of tightening up of our immigration system frankly so she wants to leave the of leaving keep the option of leaving keep the option of leaving the ec] on the table to not rule it out. yes in order to say to the lords look we've got a choice here, either you accept what we're doing as the elected chamber and the government or , chamber and the government or, we're just to leave. i we're just going to leave. i understand leaving the understand that. but leaving the opfion understand that. but leaving the option , the table is different option, the table is different to must commit , to leave it, to to must commit, to leave it, to commit, to do something is to say you will do it if you need to do it right. yeah i mean, this is this is the way politics i tell you what, if rishi sunak said i might believe it, i she's in a minority position in the cabinet on this particular issue.i cabinet on this particular issue. i think she be issue. i think she may be because think even

because i think even the even prime minister knows that if he goes for leaving the ec], a bill embracing civil war, there is going to be civil war in the tory party. you know, the vast majority of the left wing press , the broadcast media will say, oh my god , this is completely oh my god, this is completely abhorrent. the aca was drafted by british lawyers . i said it by british lawyers. i said it was literally a response to world war two, a response to the holocaust and all those human horrors . well, what suella horrors. well, what suella braverman is saying is that the uk , an incredible track record uk, an incredible track record of upholding human rights in its own rights, and that the ec] has since those dark days but days of hope. it's old as a political couple come as she has says expansionist and obstructionist. i agree with that completely at the moment. the big news of this week, could there be cabinet resignations over rishi sunak still on northern ireland . could still on northern ireland. could suella braverman be one of them? back with you in 2 minutes.

well, the hottest political story of the week is rishi sunak's impending deal with the european commission. what will it mean for trade between the mainland and northern ireland? will the european of justice still have some sway ? well, still have some sway? well, cabinet ministers well, top of the resignation watch list probably is the home secretary, leo. this is why the whole of westminster wanted this interview. gb news has scooped them because . the home secretary them because. the home secretary is top of that resignation list. she has very strong views on the importance of the united kingdom of great britain , northern of great britain, northern ireland being overseen by british courts , not northern british courts, not northern ireland itself being by the european court of justice , which european court of justice, which in her view has become a very politicised court. it's, it's very much driven by politicians rather than by judges. so it's a

brave man i think has come to the view that she needs to put a little bit of pressure. the prime minister and that that is thatis prime minister and that that is that is that is what done in the past to come. let's have a look . you've called the northern ireland protocol bill quotes one of the biggest tools we have in deaung of the biggest tools we have in dealing with the eu over the issue of the northern border. what did you mean by that? well, we use that tool for well, there are problems with the operation of the protocol right now. and is clear for everyone to see. there are problems with trade across the irish sea, within the uk internal markets. across the irish sea, within the uk internal markets . there are uk internal markets. there are problems with a democratic deficit . that being that deficit. that being that northern ireland is still on the receiving of hundreds of laws being at the eu level and applying in northern ireland. and there are problems with the delivery of public services in northern ireland because of an

executive which is not functioning . now those all of functioning. now those all of those problems need fixing . i those problems need fixing. i believe that the proposed that the government introduced allows ministers to avoid parts. the northern ireland protocol as it stands . yes is an important tool stands. yes is an important tool in fixing some the issues that i've just talked about doesn't it up the ante. doesn't it make a deal with the eu tougher? no, i think if you look historically how our deals and agreements have been reached with the eu, it's that we take a robust . we it's that we take a robust. we need to make clear preference is for us to reach a workable pragmatic agreement with eu. i know that the prime minister shares that objective and i know that he's flat out to reach such an agreement whilst not compromise on our sovereignty or on the place of northern ireland inside the united states. but that protocol bill, as you say, a vital negotiating tool is languishing in the lords. a vital negotiating tool is languishing in the lords . word languishing in the lords. word on the street is that number 10 is abandoned. it that's not

perception. i know that the minister is absolutely committed resolving this issue regardless of the implications it's absolutely essential that we get back up and functioning , that we back up and functioning, that we restore free flowing trade across the irish sea so that businesses in northern ireland and britain can do good can can carry out their commercial activities, but also northern ireland's place within the uk is safeguard it. simon clarke, former cabinet minister, has said there will be a very real for the government if there is a northern ireland deal that doesn't carry the support of the dup. is he right? doesn't carry the support of the dup. is he right ? listen dup are dup. is he right? listen dup are an important voice in this debate and in this discussion they speak . can we have a deal they speak. can we have a deal that they don't agree to? we have always worked very closely with the dup . they are with the dup. they are unionists. they speak for a

significant portion of the communities in northern and they need to be round the table . need to be round the table. ultimately stormont will only function if the dup supports proposal. you resigned? of course as a brexit minister in 2018 over theresa may's deal. would you resign over this ? would you resign over this? listen, i don't think we need to be talking about resignation. i've taken a very forthright position in the past because. i've found the terms , previous i've found the terms, previous agreements is intolerable. i don't support selling out on northern ireland and allowing the a foothold in the united kingdom. it's absolutely vital that we safeguard what we've gained from the brexit vote, that we go forward as united kingdom, where the integrity of our union is safeguarded and we properly take back control. and i know the prime minister shares that objective . well, then that objective. well, then i have to say that's quite veiled threat there, isn't there. i have resigned in the past on

deals that i have found to be unacceptable. and she was referring directly back to that post chequers period . so logic post chequers period. so logic would say , if that's how she would say, if that's how she feels as a politician. and we haven't seen the full details yet of what rishi sunak is going to present. we think in the next few days . i'm to present. we think in the next few days. i'm guessing that to present. we think in the next few days . i'm guessing that the few days. i'm guessing that the sunak calculation is that the eurosceptics on the backbenches have been reduced to a rump . i have been reduced to a rump. i think his calculation will be that nobody in cabinet will actually resign over this. what do you think ? it's a big risk. do you think? it's a big risk. rishi sunak came under pressure at pmqs today to talk more about the particular deal he's meant to have done with the european commission over the northern ireland protocol. suella braverman there she did of course resign in 2018, specifically on this issue when she was a brexit minister. she also a bit of a standard bearer for , not just the european for, not just the european group, but other conservative

backbenchers who feel that the european union simply shouldn't have any sway over northern ireland having the european court of justice overseeing rules that govern northern ireland and no one in northern ireland and no one in northern ireland has any say over those rules. they will literally be taxation without representation. and when that happened in boston they threw that seat into the river and i don't know what the irish border do i mean to sunak it appears to me what he's trying to negotiate is something that makes trade easier between mainland and northern ireland. hence this concept of a green lane that goods can go through . lane that goods can go through. but really what she's saying, i think , is the heart of this. think, is the heart of this. there's a constitutional issue. this is this is jurisprudence. she's she's a train lawyer. she's she's a train lawyer. she's a barrister. she passed bar exam in new york as well. this is what she does . and she this is what she does. and she

is offended constitutionally that post—brexit part of the uk . northern ireland is still governed, overseen by, you know, a court based overseas for which there is no democratic accountability. and these green lines, are they really green? they seem be pretty pinkish to me because they will still be checksin me because they will still be checks in the green line as well. and i think in the hearts of many people on the backbenches, there's this sense that whole issue the that this whole issue of the northern border not to northern ireland border not to take anything away from the sensitivities of putting infrastructure on the border and not having an invisible border across the island of ireland. but i think the whole issue, whether it was the backstop, the northern ireland protocol, is a bit of a contrived hoax because that border across the island of ireland , hundred and 20 miles ireland, hundred and 20 miles twisty goes through farms, it goes through living rooms . it's goes through living rooms. it's invisible. it's been invisible for a long time. yes thank heavens. since the friday agreement, there's been so much

tension. it's already been four years of vat border, a customs border, a nationality bought currency board, currency board . currency board, currency board. you don't need any infrastructure on the border. you don't need to have a border in the middle of the irish sea. you just need a little bit of give and take between the uk and repubuc give and take between the uk and republic of ireland, give and take, which by the take, which was there, by the way, under the original taoiseach enda kenny. but once the eu got its talons into this, i mean this shows this was next, it caused a of trouble. this was monsieur barnier's poison, actually. and theresa may chose to swallow the whole thing . all to swallow the whole thing. all respect to the former prime minister, really under stood the intricacies of issue. and i'm beginning to feel that the prime minister is taking his minister is just taking his brief from his officials , many brief from his officials, many of whom want to keep part of the uk much under europe's uk very much under europe's auspices in order to prevent any diverge again between the let's face it most the civil service would actually like the whole of the uk to start aligning with

single market. lamb this. she's 42 years old. she's not been in parliament very long. 2015, she's climbed the ladder. she now holds one of the four great offices of state . is she really offices of state. is she really , really going resign that position because she she's done a bad deal? well, if she feels that if she calculates i can't speak for her obviously she's she's given her own peace pretty measured but quite tactical of words. i think that she used and i think you'll agree, is a professional politician. but it was a veiled threat. yeah, i absolutely. she didn't need to mention that she had resigned in the past when she found the terms of deals in horrible. she didn't need to mention the endless ways which in her view northern ireland is ill served by being outside the legal auspices for purposes of the rest . the united auspices for purposes of the rest. the united kingdom. she didn't need to do it in that way at this moment. she didn't need . give me this interview right

now when she knows this issue is front and centre . parliament of front and centre. parliament of the prime minister's inbox. i tell you what, number 10, i'm watching this as speak. they'll be going up , literally pulsates be going up, literally pulsates in a moment. in a moment, we're going to find out who suella braverman really is what the motivations are and what that may tell us about her role in british public in the many years to come .

well, suella braverman has not been public life very long, and we really don't know much about her as a person. but i think liam halligan we're about to find out . indeed, this liam halligan we're about to find out. indeed, this is liam halligan we're about to find out . indeed, this is really find out. indeed, this is really why i want the citizens review, because this is a person who i saw her getting a lot of flack from the mainstream media, lots

of opprobrium thrown in her face. no one really knew who she was. i know a little bit about who she is because we grew up in the same pretty part of northwestern london, not an affluent place , all but a very affluent place, all but a very aspirational place. when i was growing up, there , it was full growing up, there, it was full of working class irish, jewish, cypriot families, a lot of asian as i was getting , including as i was getting, including indeed suella braverman family moving there . and i, when i moving there. and i, when i spoke to her in the home office interview , this is gb news interview, this is gb news exclusive. nigel i asked her what it was about her immigrant background, her parents of indian origin came respectively from mauritius and, from kenya, what it was about her immigrant background that made not just a lawyer but then made her also a conservative. here she is my family background that has made me a conservative. my parents admired this hugely when they were children growing up under

british empire before . the winds british empire before. the winds of change in mauritius and kenya, as you mentioned and they saw what britain brought to the world during world war two through its contribution to mauritius and kenya infrastructure to the legal system the language of the civil service and then as young adults they came here and were incredibly grateful for the welcome that britain offered them. my mother was recruited at them. my mother was recruited at the age of 18 by the nhs and she thereafter worked for 45 years as a nurse here . and she's as a nurse here. and she's always, always been very proud of working for the nhs and working in britain . my father working in britain. my father came here for a different, he was effectively kicked out from kenya and he often tells me about the cold february morning in 1968 when he stepped off the plane at heathrow airport with no money and no , no one with him

no money and no, no one with him and it was britain and his british that was his symbol of hope. so i think the my parents has really informed my appreciation and love of britain and british. do we take that for granted ? often too many granted? often too many politicians take for granted. what britain and what it represents in terms of opportune anti freedom, rule of law . i anti freedom, rule of law. i think there is a tendency apologise for what britain did for the world historically and be a bit shy about our greatness forwards. i'm very optimistic about our future . i believe in about our future. i believe in the genius of britain what britain has brought to civilisation , to culture, to civilisation, to culture, to science, to statecraft . and i science, to statecraft. and i believe those are great foundation which have been which will set up well for the future, but also emulated around the world, but i'm also a conservative because of personal experiences . my father actually

experiences. my father actually had a was unemployed for some years during the 1990 and that was for me a life changing experience. it taught me values , hard work, personal responsibility, aspiration . and responsibility, aspiration. and i think the combination of proud of britain and traditions and the value , aspiration and hard the value, aspiration and hard work have made me conservative from that humble background. of course you want a place at cambridge, you read law, you've passed the bar exam in new york as well . how does your legal as well. how does your legal training make you that? the politician you are today? you're right. i'm very grateful for the excellent education that i and studying and practising law has really informed my politics. i think when you work in the justice system, you work with a very of people. i represented . i very of people. i represented. i specialised originally in planning and town and country planning and town and country planning law helping people and local authority his i

development issues i thereafter represented the government as part of the treasury council . a part of the treasury council. a panel defending the home office , immigration and asylum cases and i think my legal experience as a barrister really and for my politics last if i may, home secretary , you've come in for secretary, you've come in for a lot of abuse . i think it's fair lot of abuse. i think it's fair to say the press often attacks you . do you like being home you. do you like being home secretary . well, it's an secretary. well, it's an enormous responsibility require an unrelenting amount work and you see firsthand and very close up the serious risks that we face every day, whether from a law enforcement point of view and what our police do, the security and what our agencies do , terrorism threat , the issues do, terrorism threat, the issues relating to migration . and relating to migration. and actually, i am more focussed on protecting the british people

and ensure that we equip our agencies against the terror threat that we ensure we fix illegal migration and that police are serving the public well. i must be tough , though. well. i must be tough, though. you're you're a human being . lot you're you're a human being. lot of opprobrium is thrown on you as it was. in fairness , on priti as it was. in fairness, on priti patel, one of your predecessors, because you all standing up for issues that an awful lot of ordinary people feel strongly about, doesn't it get lonely . about, doesn't it get lonely. well i see my role as telling the truth and then fixing the problem and sometimes the truth is uncomfortable for some people and they get upset by hearing the truth. i'm not going to shy away from telling the truth to the british people and for the british people, that's my role as home secretary . well, i have as home secretary. well, i have to say , i learned a heck of a to say, i learned a heck of a lot there about sort of rome. i didn't know about before, maybe she's not quite the monster that she's not quite the monster that she's portrayed to be in the

cartoons and everything else. she's clearly very bright. she is very bright. she is somebody from a pretty humble background, not a moneyed background at all. yes she's got a cambridge education. that's because she is embodiment in many ways of the british dream . you know, i british dream. you know, i relate to in way as somebody from immigrant stock myself and i know many views and listen as well who through education, through the opportunity sees that britain gave my family like her family she has made good and become home secretary and i think yeah she does have these views that will resonate with a lot , frankly blue collar, lower lot, frankly blue collar, lower middle class brits, the kind of people , the alarm clock classes, people, the alarm clock classes, people, the alarm clock classes, people who get up early in the morning and make the economy work, what ever worked from home these days? oh, no, the public sector. sorry. and the views aren't fashionable with the pm pulsar, with the great and the good, but among the solid majority of british people, i do

think they will resonate. and that's why rishi sunak has to tread really, really ? because he tread really, really? because he does not have those blue collar proletariat credentials that i think she has. i'm not going overthink this. i'm not saying that she grew up in poverty in any way, but i do know exactly where she grew up. it was not an affluent area at all. she won a scholarship ship to an independent school and that for her, her family, that was a source of huge pride, beliefs, platform for greater things. these beliefs are they seem very strong. they do seem very strong. they do seem very strong. they do seem very strong. they do seem strong . and strong. they do seem strong. and she looks like a conviction, which is i've just saying that the bbc, god bless them, have they've had to follow our interview. through gritted interview. yeah. through gritted they just put a headline out saying that suella braverman has played down resignation expectations . but that's not expectations. but that's not a cabinet minister. expectations. but that's not a cabinet minister . don't give cabinet minister. don't give interviews. it's a hairy blokes like at times like this when like me at times like this when they're playing down, they're into their resignation dangers. i'm not saying that she was

overly aggressive to the minister. i would say, though, that she was marking the prime minister's card and that's why i think this interview will be very, widely across very, very widely across westminster and the country as a whole, because she saying on both small boats, we need to have these as an option and on the northern ireland protocol, we need keep this protocol bill as option. we need to get it through so we can withdraw and. remove yourself from this eu dealif remove yourself from this eu deal if we need to as a lawyer, someone trained in negotiation she wants to have these options available , however uncomfortable available, however uncomfortable , that may make the prime minister. yeah. and you can't negotiate without a threat. absolute of some kind. and she gets that . it's a pity when gets that. it's a pity when northern ireland theresa didn't get it right back to the beginning of these problems having pressed by are you . i having pressed by her are you. i i don't think it's my job as a journalist to be impressed by politics. and i'm here to judge and see how coherent they and to

ask them quite tough . so i think ask them quite tough. so i think that was not was soft all interview i'll the question how coherent is she how thought through is she even to view dozens of people scores people hundreds of people in business and politics over you know a long career . thanks for that . long career. thanks for that. how did she write i think she is coherence and i think she's got real convict action. and again , real convict action. and again, that will make a lot of people in the political world and the media world uncomfortable because her convictions , their because her convictions, their convictions. but her convictions are a lot more widely held than are a lot more widely held than a lot of our, frankly out of touch media on stand. and in that sense , i think she has got that sense, i think she has got a bit of a trump card up her sleeve. she's also got a lot of people , the tory backbenchers people, the tory backbenchers watching very, very closely look , if rishi sunak doesn't get this northern ireland deal right, so this is not semantics. this is really serious, this could be fatal. actually for his premiership . we've seen how

premiership. we've seen how volatile the tory backbenchers can be. we know only need 15% of their number in order to . spark their number in order to. spark crikey. another another leadership election . and if they leadership election. and if they feel that they're not being listened to then there's no reason why at least some of them won't act. and it's the kind of catalyst tick event like a member of government resigning, whether it's suella braverman or not, you know , the chances are not, you know, the chances are it probably won't be, but the threat is there and it will certainly be focusing the prime minister's mind this evening. liam halligan done very good job and getting an interview. liam halligan done very good job and getting an interview . there and getting an interview. there was that veiled political threat. we know a lot more about suella as a person . my take on suella as a person. my take on it is that she genuinely does hold convictions and hold those convictions and that's unlike many people , the that's unlike many people, the upper of the upper echelons of the conservative party i conservative party today. i think she's, got a very important future to play , important future to play, certainly within the conservative party. but if after a crushing election loss next

yean a crushing election loss next year, the party within the next 18 months cannot rediscover itself as a conservative policy, i still think there's a possibility a possible let's say that by 2026 there is a real element of the centre right in british politics. and if there is i think she could be just about the most important player in it. that's my take at the moment. talking points. but jamie baulch now he won a silver medal in the 400 metres in the olympics, but interestingly he was adopted and got a heck of a lot to say about. too many children in care in this country today who be out with families, join me on that in a couple of minutes .

the gb news tavern has been declared open. it's time for talking pints. i'm joined jamie baulch athlete or i suppose former athlete. really but cheers. thank you. that's right.

and drink this. i spoke , i and drink this. i spoke, i guess, as an athlete life's pretty tough in terms of what you can do with social life, isn't it? exactly you know, i used to be trained by colin jackson's. he was a taskmaster. so. no, no , no. that was to me. so. no, no, no. that was to me. no guinness for me. that just you were adopted and we'll come back to that. you grew up in risca. that's right, yeah. in south wales. yeah. not a bad place to grow up. yeah, i absolutely loved it. just absolutely loved it. it was just such a great almost environment very nice, chilled out . my very nice, chilled out. my parents had a big farm house, so i did a lot of running around that when i was a kid. i've got two sisters and one brother and they said, magical childhood. yeah, i think south wales is underestimated. yeah i think there's lot of that's there's a lot of it. that's fabulous. yeah property is reasonably compared to reasonably priced compared to south—east and all the south—east of london and all the rest of it. and i mean a great place to grow up and of i guess rugby was the sport. you were encouraged to play. oh yeah, undoubtedly you know, rugby is still lips in that still on everyone's lips in that country. so yeah, up

country. so yeah, i grew up watching it. my dad shouting at the know while in wales the tv, you know while in wales to win especially in the to win and especially in the seventies and yeah. so i got into that when i first started and absolutely loved it. so you will be you will be supporting wales weekend obviously. wales this weekend obviously. yeah. i was in england yeah. all i was born in england which shouldn't have said but which i shouldn't have said but i'm definitely. well, listen, i've got red blood, so i'm definitely welsh . absolutely. definitely welsh. absolutely. now what is it? what is it with the young jamie that makes him do i mean, when you go to all sports. was actually sports. yeah i was actually i was i one of those kids which was i one of those kids which was really annoying school, you know, ball, give me a know, give me a ball, give me a tennis hockey tennis ball. swim, run, hockey cycle , whatever. it was the only cycle, whatever. it was the only sport i used to is football , sport i used to is football, which is extraordinary. i don't know. i just even now, i just feel like the money you could have that my . come on, son, have that my. come on, son, you'll do it. yeah, but it was athletics. that was what the love. what age do you decide love. at what age do you decide is i'm going to go for it? is it. i'm going to go for it? well, saw it when i was 11 well, i saw it when i was 11 years doing the sport in years old, doing the sport in sports. they went in sports. they running twice as fast as

every in the whole school . every kid in the whole school. and headmaster, mr. atkins, and my headmaster, mr. atkins, oh, he's away oh, i'm 40. he's passed away now. said should join the now. he said you should join the running what running club. that's what stopped when i knew i was stopped me when i knew i was going to sort of get to that next level was when i was about 17, got to the juniors with darren campbell, who went on to 17, got to the juniors with daiolympicpbell, who went on to 17, got to the juniors with daiolympic gold, who went on to 17, got to the juniors with daiolympic gold medal,ent on to 17, got to the juniors with daiolympic gold medal, came to an olympic gold medal, came fourth in the 200 metres behind down out of boldon and we won the relay four by 100. so i started off. yeah. so i'm going to ask you how, does somebody who's running in 100 suddenly become really rather good at four? well, it was a bit of an accident, to be honest with you. i was a very different skills, totally, totally. one's a ferrari and one's four by four jeep. you what? you to have jeep. you know what? you to have a lot of engine room to be a full in jamaica when i ran i did it by accident i was due in a british league moons ago now a long time ago. and a guy called adrian thomas, who was a british coach, you run coach, he said, if you run really well in this race, in this really racing car , if this really racing car, if nobody watching, we'll consider you to run in for britain. in

the european champs , i pretty the european champs, i pretty much run one of the fastest legs yearin much run one of the fastest legs year in the country. and from that moment on, they were like, ooh , will enter you in some ooh, will enter you in some foreign jemmy races. and that was it really . and you went on was it really. and you went on jemmy, you won bucket full of medals in, a hole and of course an olympic silver in 96 at atlanta. but you won all sorts of medals and an award odds and everything else . and what was everything else. and what was the highlight of career ? i would the highlight of career? i would say to really i never went off like winning the world championships in 1999. you know , adopted to bring my father that day and say , dad, your son, that day and say, dad, your son, world champion. that was a nice moment in my life, a personal moment in my life, a personal moment . but olympics, you know , moment. but olympics, you know, on the rostrum of those four, paul on the rostrum of those four, paul, you've got to be pretty. olympics is the way it's got to be pretty cool. now, there was something in you, jamie, and this interesting. you know, this is interesting. you know, some adopted, so some people who are adopted, so that's . great. i'm that's fine. great. i'm happy with yeah others say yes,

with life. yeah others say yes, i'm happy with life, but i need to find out . yeah. and your to find out. yeah. and your desire? yeah to find out your your natural birth parentage led to a couple of bbc documentaries . i mean, you really opened your soul up to world doing this quite a risky thing to do, wasn't it? it was. and it wasn't that long ago. it was in the last six, seven years. i did it and.the last six, seven years. i did it and. the reason i did it is i've got children now. in fact, i'm a granddad now. you know, i can't believe my grandad, which i loved, by the way, but i when you have two kids and you don't really know your heritage and, you suddenly realise and online getting older and you just want to know a little bit more and you suddenly got ooh, you know, i've had an amazing upbringing everyone who knows my mum and dad, privacy is we've got dad, my privacy is we've got a real family. my mum and real tight family. my mum and dad which is dad are still around which is amazing. i just, i just want amazing. but i just, i just want to know i want to be on my deathbed know, having a deathbed or, you know, having a gravestone, know, so i'll a gravestone, you know, so i'll a bbc camera . yeah. well, yeah ,

bbc camera. yeah. well, yeah, that was a bit full. yeah, that was very full. but you did find. i did try mother bet. yeah. i found my mum and that was really interesting. lovely lady . we had interesting. lovely lady. we had some really special moments unfortunately . she had cancer. unfortunately. she had cancer. when i met her, she was only due to have six months to live, but she lived for another two years. so we really got to know each and. she's great. she was great. but in saying that i was still really happy to be raised, my mum and dad, you know, and you tried to find my father . yeah. tried to find my father. yeah. and that didn't, didn't, didn't pan didn't him. we pan out. didn't find him. we fought, a couple of fought, we had a couple of leads, but it just didn't. didn't happen met who didn't happen met somebody who i thought my dad. but thought could be my dad. but he's not. i'm guessing, jamie, for some, this must be quite a risky journey . oh, exactly. yeah risky journey. oh, exactly. yeah very risky. i mean, you know you hear some horror stories where, you know, you could have the door slammed in your face that doesn't know you know. so you've got siblings you know, it's some

really, you know, if anyone's going to do it go down the professional channel. i did yes i did it on tv. i went through all the right connections and went through the right . and that went through the right. and that was the best thing for me. now, you've you've developed into work and you've got some pretty strong views about the number of kids in care this country today. yeah, i it's become quite difficult to adopt isn't it. yeah. you know it's all this red, you know, you think now would be easier than what it was in the seventies. i mean, i'm a mixed race kid and my mum and dad are white and they could just adopt quite comfortably back then . but now it's far more back then. but now it's far more red tape . and you know, there's red tape. and you know, there's so many in homes and the so many kids in homes and the longer they live in homes, the more so the race more difficult. so the race issue comes into, time. issue comes into, oh, big time. yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, in all not just race, but different races and sexes rather, rather the worry about the welfare of the kid. yeah. let's you know. and if you don't meet that criteria, then you're not going to be a parent, you

know, to that adopted child, which is needed, you know, unless urgent need of adoption, you know, if it for my mum and dad, definitely wouldn't be an dad, i definitely wouldn't be an olympic less . i olympic silver medal less. i definitely be able definitely wouldn't be able to mean i know he's because of mean like i know he's because of them why i am who i am. you seem very content in life are extremely but your running is not good because try to not that good because you try to run the horse. are we run against the horse. are we going to show tv this jamie going to show our tv this jamie baulch decided he tried to do jesse irwin's. baulch decided he tried to do jesse irwin's . let me finish jesse irwin's. let me finish this. obviously ran against the horse. let's see. okay. reporters got to running against the horse across . i don't stand the horse across. i don't stand by and. they're racing. and jamie is about oh, he's about ten lengths in front here , but ten lengths in front here, but rocketing home people broke and goes to the line in a canter. rocketing home people broke and goes to the line in a canter . so goes to the line in a canter. so a very easy winner as horse beats man here at kempton park . beats man here at kempton park. i thought it was only going to be a couple of people down there. horse was a horse called people brook, who had won

everything . i mean, he was like everything. i mean, he was like a thoroughbred. and i got there was like 3000 people. so it was on tv, i think, in fact very with jerry bolt. i want to say to you, congratulations on a hugely successful career on big happy with life as you are. i all i can say and all that said, i mean, this is please keep publicising the fact. yeah there are too many kids in homes when there are plenty good families out there that would love to adopt them and that you're a very valuable, important role model. and i thank you for coming by. thank you. thank you. it's a pleasure . so it's been a pleasure. so tomorrow i'm going to be on the road with a live audience and we are going to be in the capital, the west country. yes, we're going to be in exeter and we'll talk about issues that taxes that will affect the country, too one of them, of course, is farming, neil, that disgraced

member of parliament. well, he hasn't gone away from public life. he'll be on the programme tomorrow evening . a live tomorrow evening. a live audience. i'll see you . i might audience. i'll see you. i might even talk about tony blair and his plan for digital ideas . i'll his plan for digital ideas. i'll see you tomorrow , bev turner. see you tomorrow, bev turner. coming up in a minute.

it's 11:00. welcome along to gb it's11:00. welcome along to gb news. let's bring you the latest news headlines. political in northern ireland have condemned the shooting of an off duty police officer at a sports complex shortly before 8:00 tonight in county. the ulster unionist party has said the serving officer is youth. gaelic football coach who was attacked in front of young people after a training session . he's now being training session. he's now being treated in hospital . gb news treated in hospital. gb news understands the gunman who fled across the irish border

following the attack. shot the from behind , hitting him four from behind, hitting him four times while other news tonight the prime minister has said he'll deliver certainty , he'll deliver certainty, stability and clarity as . he stability and clarity as. he seeks a deal on post brexit arrangements in northern ireland. rishi sunak held talks . the northern irish business leaders today amid pressure to achieve a workable solution to the stalled protocol . and the stalled protocol. and earlier he told the house of commons intensive talks with the eu are ongoing . commons intensive talks with the eu are ongoing. in a gb news exclusive , the home secretary exclusive, the home secretary suella braverman said mr. sunak is completely committed to resolving the issue . i actually resolving the issue. i actually think you look historically at how our deals and agreements have been reached with the eu. it's important that we take a robust approach . we need to my robust approach. we need to my clear preference is for us reach a workable and dogmatic agreement with the eu . i know agreement with the eu. i know that the prime minister shares objective and i know that he's working flat to reach such an