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polly just weeks before she went missing . a body was recovered missing. a body was recovered from the river wye on sunday. more than three weeks after she disappeared and finally , his disappeared and finally, his majesty the king, has held an audience with the president of the german ahead of a trip to germany later this month. king charles will become the first british monarch to address the bundestag during a state visit to the country welcomed by both boosts to buckingham palace this afternoon . the trip will follow afternoon. the trip will follow on from a state visit to france, which to be the king's which is due to be the king's first official trip abroad since his accession to the throne on tv and on derby plus radio. this is gb news now. bev turner. very good evening . i hope you're very good evening. i hope you're sitting comfortably. let's talk id cards. so in germany they

were first introduced by the in 1938. in italy , it's the fascist 1938. in italy, it's the fascist government brought them in 1931, franco foisted them on the spaniards in the fifties. in france, too, it was the puppet government that gets them in dunng government that gets them in during war. well, in march 2020, when boris johnson , his fist on when boris johnson, his fist on the desk and said , you must stay the desk and said, you must stay at home, some of us became hyper vigilant. to what exactly going on. we watched as control measures were dictated to us such scientifically discredited masks walking around tesco in one direction and, then needing a qr code indicated with a government mandated drug to get into a restaurant all over a virus. statistically less lethal to the under seventies , to the under seventies, ultimately than flu. we were being primed and today we got there. the front page of the times newspaper finally announcing cross intentions for digital id system. so what.7 shrug sounds quite convenient .

shrug sounds quite convenient. beware the appeal of convenience in a world where nothing works , in a world where nothing works, food is unavailable and cash is no longer accepted . william no longer accepted. william hague and tony to blair blokes that position themselves politically sensible centrists have been chosen to sell this snake oil. there is nothing centrist about digital id , as centrist about digital id, as peter hitchens often points the states should and historic oakley was the one to identify itself to the citizen id cards control effectively by a central sized monopoly. turn this relationship on its head. conspiracy theorists people yelled at the likes me who dared to do some research and stick up for freedoms that we were all in favour of just a few years ago. hague and blair, on the other hand, they can go completely unchallenged on ideas with such a terrible history. do we really trust these people to have even more power over us.7 at best our betters have shown themselves to betters have shown themselves to

be horrifically in competence. recently at worst, they've got an agenda that they wish to hide. scary migrants. scary diseases, scary globetrotting terrorist, scary plan to destroy humans. just step into my digital id matrix and it will all go away . as will our lives. all go away. as will our lives. as we know it. well to give us his opinion is chris phillips, former senior police officer with particular expert expertise counter—terrorism. so, chris are we actually going to be safer really? and it's the cost to our private lives really worth it? yeah. well to a great extent, there completely agree with you. i do not like the thought of this. however we also have to be realistic and the world is changing very quickly and we've already got already in our pocket. everyone walking around with a mobile has everything on them that can identify them. where been, what they do, what they've been , who they've been

they've been, who they've been talking to, what drugs taking, etc, etc. so i'm probably not quite as worried about it as are. how clearly different. and i thought it's come pletely different and this is what i think there's huge misunderstanding about this today and i put on twitter and i put out that you know what, give me a list. what's wrong with centralised digital i.t? and a lot of people came back and, said, i don't really understand it. i don't really understand how to change my how this is going to change my life. one way they're going to sell this to us, chris, and this is your bettys is about is your efforts. bettys is about safety. is for your safety safety. this is for your safety how explain us why having how just explain us why having our life on our phone which what it will be won't be an id card you carry in your pocket any more. it will have all of our information. so at the moment our , our shopping history is in our, our shopping history is in area nhs information dead another our is in another our nhs details are in another. but this is about putting it all

together in one easily accessible place, potentially with conditions attached to go about normal life . is that going about normal life. is that going to be safer? i don't feel it makes us safer. i think that makes us safer. i think that makes me more vulnerable . i makes me more vulnerable. i think you you're right exactly. but there are circumstances, of course where we have people who a work in the black economy . i a work in the black economy. i don't want be identified and we've got an awful lot of people that that are in our country that that are in our country that shouldn't be here for one reason or another. so, you know, from a from a policing perspective , which is not what perspective, which is not what you want to hear really, i can see some benefits in this identifying very, very bad people on what they're up to. but i really don't like the whole concept that this and in particular, you know, this is a movement towards , this digital movement towards, this digital digital money as well, which i think is a very differ

situation. and i think people need to work out where we're to go with this because there are, of course, the issues we're going to face over the coming generation . ai and what that generation. ai and what that means , humankind and i think means, humankind and i think there's you know, this is a big picture thing. it is. we all need to add more about it really is i mean in terms of terrorists as well. of course, what i always say to people about digital, i imagine the person the politician that you least like imagine the politician that wins you up most and imagine them being in charge of the government and being able to decide what you can and can't do what you can and can't what you can and can't go who you can and can't see based on their idea of what is a security risk . i can't see based on their idea of what is a security risk. i in the last three years, a lot of us had parameters challenged in terms of what we would do, which was outside of the law, whether that meeting with your that was meeting up with your mother a park bench when you mother on a park bench when you would actually allow to, you know, having teenagers the know, or having teenagers in the garden, it was

garden, having a few. it was a it time for people who are it was time for people who are normally good and law normally very good and law abiding me to those abiding like me to those boundaries. now you somebody in charge i see id charge with digital i see id system boundaries which system who has boundaries which you agree with . we can't you don't agree with. we can't have our lives literally turned off at the flick of a switch and so i don't feel it's going to make me any safer. like i say, i feel it's going to make us much vulnerable in terms of the terrorist angle. chris, me terrorist angle. chris, let me just ask you for instance, the manchester bombers , they were manchester bombers, they were born here. they have already had that digital i.d. it wouldn't stopped an attack like that , stopped an attack like that, would it? no really wouldn't have done what we do have to bearin have done what we do have to bear in mind, though, is that there are people that do need to be born to and he would have been one of them. and this would help that . but, you know, i mean help that. but, you know, i mean , i think we're on the same side here really. but there are some benefits in the policing perspective in, the tax perspective in, the tax

perspective in, the tax perspective in the control of government and but you're quite right . you know what? how much right. you know what? how much power are we as individuals going to give over to government and to policing, etc, to supposedly keep us safe, but but i think this whole a think needs, you know , real needs, you know, real consideration as well because we are going to be doing things differently over the next few years. and the one thing i would say to you is that people of my generation, a much more a much less likely to want to have digital ids than some of the young people who don't seem to worry too much about giving information out . and given information out. and given they're that to the to the world through their their computer and their phones , you can guarantee their phones, you can guarantee that we talk. there'll be a basement somewhere in the uk potentially with the kind of albanians in it working out. they're going to hack the system because if you've got all of your information in one place, that must render more vulnerable to identify creation, theft, to

somebody being able to access you. and this is where my knowledge dries up. i'm no expert in terms of how easy it is going to be to hack these things. but we've been living in a time where we have to shred our bank statements before we put bin or anything put in the bin or anything because digital, digital and identity was so easy. it's identity theft was so easy. it's got easier as we've gone more online. we're more liable to be scammed , we're more liable to scammed, we're more liable to have details of hours taken and used in nefarious ways . tony used in nefarious ways. tony blair, of course, like you say, was getting very excited today abouti was getting very excited today about i am william hague that they love this. they're sort of like there's a type of technocratic minded man at the moment, chris, who is just so excited to see these measures being forced through at a rate of knots that i just don't think the british public are ready for. let me cast your mind back. let me tap into your experience then as as a as an officer of then as as a as an officer of the law for many years, you can probably remember i can just about remember some of the debates around id cards, because

we've always been a country that pushed right back. can you remember some of the arguments that the time for why that we used at the time for why we id cards ? yeah, we didn't need id cards? yeah, well, i mean , there are lots of well, i mean, there are lots of ways that we id that , you know, ways that we id that, you know, we've there's very few of us that couldn't easily be identified by the people that don't want to be identified. our different matter altogether. and it just take you to a slightly different as well is that crime is now enormous. it's business and you're quite right to say that the criminals will looking at this immediately as a of making money and they're doing that already . and of course, any that already. and of course, any form of id. can be can be used by other people , you know, for by other people, you know, for criminal purposes. by other people, you know, for criminal purposes . yeah, criminal purposes. yeah, absolutely. criminals are looking at this in a how to make money. i saw tony blair. he's one of them. he was announcing it this morning. i don't trust

him as far as i throw him. there's no doubt that him and all mates going to profit. all mates are going to profit. there is profits be made in this and this is we've even talked about being tied to your about it being tied to your health status and whether you've had calories, that had too many calories, that whether spent much. whether you've spent too much. and it will be tied and as you say, it will be tied to centralised banking to a centralised banking currency we know, it currency and then as we know, it is chris, i can't have you is over. chris, i can't have you here one quick here without asking one quick question the begum question about the shamima begum trial you think it was trial today. do you think it was the right decision for her not to have citizenship to have her citizenship reinstated? absolutely. reinstated? yeah, absolutely. she a she's been a she is a danger. she's been a dangen she is a danger. she's been a danger. she did it all quite willingly. the people , a victim. willingly. the people, a victim. she's been made out to be victim in all this. the victims , in all this. the victims, actually, the yazidis that were were put into slaves and, all the people that were murdered by her and her friends and colleagues in isis , she's a colleagues in isis, she's a criminal. she we don't need her back in this country. criminal. she we don't need her back in this country . yeah, back in this country. yeah, we've got enough of those already . thank you, chris. thank already. thank you, chris. thank you so much. former head of national counterterrorism officer chris philips there now

just discussed shamima begum. she is not coming back, is she? was it the right decision? we've got novara media's aaron boustani and fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie to battle that one out. all coming up after the break. don't go anywhere .

welcome this is bev turner sitting in at the 8:00 slot all week . now, today, the special week. now, today, the special immigration appeals commission ruled that the decision to revoke shamima back home citizenship by the home secretary, sajid javid , is secretary, sajid javid, is lawful . secretary, sajid javid, is lawful. shamima his lawyers argue that the secretary of state had failed to respect her human rights by failing to consider that she might have been trafficked to syria for sexual. but it's been argued the security of the united kingdom takes precedence. well. to discuss this, i have security

and from the and intelligence expert from the university of buckingham, professor glees. good professorjonathan glees. good evening , professor, welcome your evening, professor, welcome your reflections , first of all, on on reflections, first of all, on on this announcement today it was very popular with the public pubuc. very popular with the public public . well think it's the public. well think it's the right decision . it's very right decision. it's very important what the government what a home secretary does is and the judges have decided that it was lawful to strip her of her citizenship. i think many people will say . well, this is a people will say. well, this is a tragic case. she wants to come back to britain and see her family and it's a tragedy for them because it's a far greater tragedy for , the people who tragedy for, the people who suffered at the hands of the brutal sadists who called themselves the islamic state, people . she deliberately and people. she deliberately and volunteer really went out to support and the. my anxiety really is that she will either

try to back or that they will now appeal against this further appeal and it will go on and on and on because there's no doubt in my mind that she a very dangerous woman . and there's i dangerous woman. and there's i say that there is no sign at all that. she feels remorse, that she has any understanding really of the awful things that the so—called islamic state did and the argument that she was the victim of trafficking. now, that's an argument the of popped up over out of nowhere . in 2021. up over out of nowhere. in 2021. she first said she now thinks she's she's been trafficked at the time it was her own and that's the end of it. the time it was her own and that's the end of it . does it that's the end of it. does it mean anything to you that she 1515 year old girls think , they 1515 year old girls think, they know everything and they know nothing . i have a few teenagers nothing. i have a few teenagers in my house. they know right from wrong. they have got on a plane to go enjoy the terrorist cult. however the argument that

her side have made is that she was a vulnerable young girl girl . well, you know that is said and judge has said arguably there was a case that she wasn't properly safeguarded. i must say, when was 15, i was actually quite in control my own life. and i decided what i wanted to do and i couldn't remember what it felt like to be 15. shamima seems me to be somebody who was actually a rather strong person . resolved to go out. people will recall , she said. she hated will recall, she said. she hated the british life that felt forced to live. she hated it. she felt constricted by. british life and british values , which life and british values, which is why she chose to go to the most . conservative islamic state most. conservative islamic state in, the world. she she chose that. so i think it was deliberate when she chose to do so it was deliberate. now there is an argument could say choose

a kid that's what the law says. she is a kid it is very complicated and you know, what's a child and what a child. and it could well be that yeah, somebody should have said to her, possibly her family had been quick to blame. absolutely everybody but themselves. yeah she was. she should have been prevented from going. but the truth is to very determined she did it all she herself said it wasn't an idea she had just like that she said it was the result of long deliberate patience. so to restrain like that i think is difficult . are you going to do difficult. are you going to do lock her up? mm well, if she came back here , of course, that came back here, of course, that would be one of the potential outcomes very to build a case, though, presumably on crimes which happened in a lawless state many years ago . oh, state many years ago. oh, absolutely. and i think that's why the call to bring her back is actually a call her to escape justice. i know. is actually a call her to escape justice. i know . say, oh, you

justice. i know. say, oh, you know, she's british. let her have the benefit of the british courts. as i say , she she's courts. as i say, she she's rejected british values , threw a rejected british values, threw a british passport away in 2015. and i think her supporters really raise that. if she were to come to britain, that couldn't be a trial. after all, most of victims of what she and a chums did in syria and iraq are now dead. so you know, you you couldn't have a trial. you must have make somebody stateless in english law. she's not be made stateless. there are 150 other people who also, in a similar circumstance , been similar circumstance, been rightly stripped of their british citizenship . it's british citizenship. it's a privilege to be a brit, and i'm we all of us wake up every morning saying, thank god we're not in ukraine or, in syria or iraq. so somebody who wants to do a serious damage deliberately , then they should then come back. , then they should then come back . and even if she were sent back. and even if she were sent to prison, as i say, most . but

to prison, as i say, most. but even if she were sent to prison, she would be a kind of jihadist icon like russian or a chowdhary who tried to assassinate stephen timms . mp we're told she a, you timms. mp we're told she a, you know, an icon of jihadist prisoners in jails of whom that far too many. so no, absolutely the right decision. i fear, though , will be appealed and it though, will be appealed and it will go on and on and on for some time. yeah was the latest today that she will appeal professor jonathan, thank you so much for joining professor jonathan, thank you so much forjoining me. also with much for joining me. also with me this evening, novara media's aaron bastoni is here. please straight legend kelvin mackenzie also writes all right, let me come to you first. you are listening to that interview . do listening to that interview. do you have some sympathy, the fact that she was a child ? she was that she was a child? she was well, they say she was trafficked. she was certainly groomed, i would say, to go because she was 15. however i don't know whether you saw the interview she did when she did. did you see her on the bbc or the programme? what was your impression her that?

impression of her from that? because well and because i watched as well and i thought she was deeply untrustworthy . my view on this untrustworthy. my view on this is it's immaterial. she's a british national, i think she should face a british court and british justice whether people think that she hasn't done anything wrong or she was trafficked or groomed . these are trafficked or groomed. these are all opinions. the facts . she's a all opinions. the facts. she's a british national. she's a subject of her majesty's government or his majesty's government. should government. and so she should face in this country. face the court in this country. my face the court in this country. my if a british judge my view, if a british judge could court prosecuting could over a court prosecuting gonng could over a court prosecuting goring and albert speer after the second world war, i think we can. shamima begum of course, the argument is because of her family lineage, she could have bangladeshi , the bangladeshis bangladeshi, the bangladeshis have said, yeah, we'll have it, but we'll try and we'll execute her. that's that's why we're in this holding pattern, isn't i'm not familiar with the bangladeshi dual nationality thing as i understand it, she is stateless, so i don't know about that. let come to kelvin. that. let come to you, kelvin. i imagine have a rather different opinion. well, she flip flopped as she has seen way the wind was

going when this when she was first discovered in 2015 by the times of 2019. i think actually by the times her view was actually i don't regret anything . you know, there was a head in bucket and that was it. and by the way, i'm married to terrorists. and i had three children, which i lost and i went with other terrorists. and this my life. and actually it was good then either a family or the lawyers came to us said, well, if you're ever going to come back here, you're going to have to go the other way. then she started saying, oh, i was groomed, was terrible. it was this, it was that, this. this was a girl of 15 with enough resource to get out to turkey. then take bus and get then take the bus and get into into syria. this is not the normal 15 year down at your normal 15 year old down at your local cop. the truth about the matter is that has a big matter is that has made a big mistake . the issue about today's mistake. the issue about today's judgement is there are enough holes in that judgement to my mind . now holes in that judgement to my mind. now read it all the holes in that judgement to my mind . now read it all the that mind. now read it all the that not only will the appeals go , i

not only will the appeals go, i guarantee you when labour come to power in 2020 425, whenever it is i guarantee you she's back in this country facing some very small charge and she'll be out in 3 to 5 years. it is an absolute shocker. and one of the issues, if we might end up this way and keep going on and on or not, we might up at the european court of human rights. imagine if we country didn't want her to be here . but some of the be here. but some of the european social do gooders said you've got to allow in. i hesitate to think what the politics on that would be. it'd be nice to know the detail, wouldn't it, erin, as to why still considered to be a security because that security risk, because that is why case .today. we why she lost this case .today. we can't know of course. can't know that. of course. well, a strange well, i think it's a strange logic which is contradictory. on the we're told the one hand, we're being told there insufficient evidence there is insufficient evidence for to. her probably go down for a long now. on the other a long time now. on the other hand, there's sufficient evidence a security evidence that she's a security risk. paradox. risk. there is a paradox. i don't get that as i'm don't quite get that as i'm there's of evidence, there's plenty of evidence, frankly, around frankly, that was sent around for time. otherwise, for a very long time. otherwise, this doesn't make sense. well,

maybe they a of maybe they think a lot of radicalisation happens in, prisons. could that be part of it her in prison it? don't want her in prison with celebrity as well as we with the celebrity as well as we don't we want back at all. don't we don't want back at all. i do. she she she she made her bed right. and she chose to line it with a terrorist, align it with a terrorist group . and by with a terrorist group. and by the way, none of be the way, none of will be happening now were it not fact that syria the isis were that in syria the isis were roundly defeated so suddenly when she was a winner, everything's fine now she's defeated. she says, i tell you what, forget about forget about northern syria. i'm coming back to uk . and it's at that to the uk. and it's at that point that say , no, you've to the uk. and it's at that point thiwhatay , no, you've to the uk. and it's at that point thiwhat to, no, you've to the uk. and it's at that point thiwhat to do ), you've to the uk. and it's at that point thiwhat to do . you've to the uk. and it's at that point thiwhat to do . and ve decided what to do. and honestly, i also think a good example to potential 15, 16, 17, 18 year olds who fancied going this way when you make that journey , you are saying goodbye journey, you are saying goodbye to your country and just as well what did you make of her current pr campaign ? i mean, i'd love to pr campaign? i mean, i'd love to hear your opinion this as well, covered as a former editor of a newspaper, the fact that she's had a documentary funded by the

bbc, a series i am not a monster by the bbc, funded by the taxpayer . the that she had taxpayer. the fact that she had the cover of the times, the front cover of the times, i think it was the times was right. it was, wasn't it ? think it was the times was right. it was, wasn't it? times, weekend magazine, the selling supplement in the country . what supplement in the country. what do you make of that? well it's clearly effective. and look, people media game do it people in the media game do it because it sells. is an interesting so on the one interesting story. so on the one hand, course benefits hand, yes, of course benefits her, benefits the people her, but it benefits the people selling, or selling, the newspapers or selling, the newspapers or selling on whatever selling adverts on whatever news network is . again, like network there is. again, like i say, i want to draw back from that and say justice is blind. you go to the old bailey. you see justice on top of and she's wearing a blindfold and so many valid things. i don't disagree any of them. i certainly wouldn't want to live next door to don't think that's to her, but i don't think that's how you a system. how you run a legal system. there's a great documentary . if there's a great documentary. if you youtube, you can say you go on youtube, you can say this pathe footage from the trials, the you know, the trials and trials of 1945. and nuremberg trials of 1945. and saying contrast the and they're saying contrast the illegality and criminality . the illegality and criminality. the regime with british justice . why regime with british justice. why can't we do that now, kelvin ?

can't we do that now, kelvin? well first of all, i don't think you can equate 6 million jews being wiped out with what girl wanted to do, what she was . she wanted to do, what she was. she was, in essence, a herself . i was, in essence, a herself. i don't see why we have to expend one single penny on bringing it through the justice system . the through the justice system. the people who are benefiting out of this course, as always in all these things, are the lawyers, these things, are the lawyers, the i hesitate to think what this bill i think the bill for this bill i think the bill for this alone is 5 million right. wow it is an enormous amount of money to our but actually in a funny it's a signal you want you as a devout once to go out there and fight with the terrorists what would say good bye to your country rather than allow them to say to flip flop on the way in on on the question of how she transferred herself. so one minute she's in the niqab and there's the pictures taking the next she looks like a vogue

cover she does not come across your desk as the editor, though it would be very hard to say. no, it wouldn't. it's her on the cover of that magazine to put her on the cover of the magazine. well, actually, was magazine. well, actually, i was against i personally against that. i felt personally hostile if you ran hostile to that if you ran right, how do i run a paper like the sun? i would have run the two pictures side by side right and stop that on page one. that would have got thinking. i know i enjoy that, to be i didn't enjoy that, to be honest with i felt she honest with you. and i felt she was being the we were being manipulated by her or by somebody . i manipulated by her or by somebody. i mean, manipulated by her or by somebody . i mean, where manipulated by her or by somebody. i mean, where is all this money coming from? not fascinating. i do find it really interesting. is who is so interesting. who is who is so invested in her story that . they invested in her story that. they are prepared, apart from we are prepared, apart from what we can that they have can see the bbc that they have compared to for the photo compared to pay for the photo shoots the camera to go out there who is doing it who strike it can only be the bbc . well, it can only be the bbc. well, you know, i'm talking i'm told actually the journos. but what happens is when she when they turn up to take a picture of her

or, something like that, she always says, me give me always says, give me give me a baseball cap, me this, give baseball cap, give me this, give me that give me some money for me that, give me some money for this and that. and of course, if you're the price you're john, if that's the price of getting the story, then that's i i think that's it. yeah, i know. i think she's very clever woman, she's a very clever woman, a very clever woman. and she called me that. but she's in a bit of a isn't she? bit of a pickle, isn't she? well, i'm glad she's in a pickle. she can't that pickle. she can't be that clever. it. i think, clever. then that's it. i think, she quite thick. i can't she was quite thick. i can't lie. what i on the interview i thought and was been telling thought and it was been telling me an academic me you're an academic overachiever. she sounds sort of half she did half baked to be honest. she did sound thick on the end. sound quite thick on the end. but didn't you think? no, i try not to judge. well, i don't think so. think was think so. you think she was hiding think she's being hiding it? i think she's being clever. very clever. clever. she's very, very clever. and actually think. clever and i actually think. be clever to out there . it's the to get out there. it's the reason why i haven't edited a national 20 years. national newspaper for 20 years. you take me. i believe anything. you. you you wouldn't want to let me tell you right now. thank you, coming up, kind of you, guys coming up, kind of motorway, really called motorway, really be called a smart a system failure smart one. a system failure leaves unusable for several. leaves it unusable for several. going to be talking about that.

i'm going to touch on strikes as well with these to stay tuned .

welcome back to the 8:00 slot. i think they still calling it laurence fox. it won't be for much longer, though, but it may bev turner. i'm going to be on at 10:00 in the morning. now it emerged that large parts of the uk's smart motorway network suffered power outage, which crucially the stopped vehicle detection . now sounds a bit detection. now sounds a bit dull, but actually this is a credibly important because the smart system is frankly just not working right kelvin . people who working right kelvin. people who aren't familiar with what the smart motorway system is, these motorways now there's no hard shoulder. and so you have these digital signs above the lanes and there's a bloke in a in a few blokes, maybe some women as

well, but they're sat there watching the roads. and if a car breaks down, they have to quickly put a red cross in the in the lane so that everybody who isn't looking at their phone while driving while they're driving can actually lanes. i get out actually move lanes. i get out of the way. 830 till 1030 this morning. the whole system broke down. doesn't this just show that it's not fit for purpose? well, i'm not sure. did anybody actually get hurt? no but i think over the last i think there's about 70 deaths so far. there's been a smart because people broken down in the people have broken down in the hard shoulder. but there isn't a hard shoulder. but there isn't a hard shoulder. but there isn't a hard shoulder in the slow lane. trucks have well, how many trucks have gone. well, how many died prior to having a red cross in the in the lane i mean, it may have been 700. i don't, i don't know, actually. i when you talk about smart motorways , the talk about smart motorways, the biggest issue on the roads there is the mad totally mad driving skills of people wanting to swing from the from the one lane into the other that will kill a lot more than the smart motorways, in my view. what do

you think, aaron? i'm a huge sceptic . i live in portsmouth. sceptic. i live in portsmouth. you've got the m 27. portsmouth, southampton. it's about 13 kilometres. it's going to cost the taxpaye r £244 million. go to the taxpayer £244 million. go to france and try and station and see the extent of it or look at busesin see the extent of it or look at buses in portsmouth or southampton or on from bournemouth. originally got a post on train station. i'm a, you know, a bournemouth. afc bournemouth football stadium . bournemouth football stadium. it's the nearest train station. the first thing away fans see when comes mammoth frankly when it comes to mammoth frankly is . and yet we're is a whole. and yet we're spending a quarter £1,000,000,000 on the small motorway . so i £1,000,000,000 on the small motorway. so i think for me it's one of those things where it's not just a waste of money, it's making things worse. yeah, i. great expense. yeah, it is great expense. great expense. yeah, it is great expense . dangerous. and as we expense. dangerous. and as we say, when tech doesn't work, say, when the tech doesn't work, then left more then people are left more vulnerable. right. strikes fellas . strike strikes, kelvin fellas. strike strikes, kelvin mackenzie. good idea. you're a big fan of strikers aren't you? incredibly supportive of them. they have your full backing. yeah they have , they have none yeah they have, they have none of backing. they using our

of my backing. they using our pain to increase their pay. they are in positions to do that . so are in positions to do that. so you decide to go on strike, but from that being a probably a round of applause by the nobody cares they nobody cares. you're joking . i'm hosting two shows joking. i'm hosting two shows a day at the moment clearly clearly one that blokes in the rmt representing but the truth about matter it is massively painful we have doctors going on strike i see those guys the london underground the gun going on strike on march 15. so it coincides with the budget. we have these these nurses negotiations which are now going to going to open up. we have border force anybody going from my brother came in from the canbbean my brother came in from the caribbean somewhere went through heathrow he shot through heathrow he shot through heathrow in about 34 seconds, right without border . so i think right without border. so i think we stepped him so everything was working so i, i want us to tough everybody out we've now seen citigroup have announced tonight

what they think inflation will look like in our country. 5% in july, 2% in november. yeah because of the collapse of energy prices , i urge . right. energy prices, i urge. right. i may not be the world's greatest of swooning. i urge him now he's gone on this path just. stay with this . and they and the rmt with this. and they and the rmt can still be out on strike in november far as i'm concerned. but we don't when we went through , we suddenly discovered through, we suddenly discovered that nobody but nobody can kill us in the way that they thought they could before. i'm old enough to believe that the idea when trains went down was an absolute disaster for the country. now i'm really not running today. i would do something at home. absolutely go on our. what do you think? well, i think look, servants in i think look, public servants in this country let's start with nurses. you're looking at the end next year, average end of next year, the average nurse off than nurse with 20% poorer off than they have been in 2010. they would have been in 2010. we've got a shortage in this country of 47,000 nurses, three and shifts are short and four shifts are short staffed because you can't recruit people. no being

recruit people. no not being paid enough. think clearly paid enough. so i think clearly with nurses, i with with nurses, i think i think a wing government, think a right wing government, frankly, would be sensible think a right wing government, frankly, to»uld be sensible think a right wing government, frankly, to give )e sensible think a right wing government, frankly, to give themisible think a right wing government, frankly, to give them able think a right wing government, frankly, to give them a decent pay enough to give them a decent pay rise, at least in line with inflation have to say as well. we this news yesterday. the we had this news yesterday. the budget actually brought in budget actually has brought in 30 than we 30 billion more than we realised. actually of realised. so actually a lot of these can be paid for these pay rises can be paid for without going into further spending. i think nhs we absolutely have to do it. i think teachers perfect sense. but the fundamental thing for me is down a high street , know is walk down a high street, know again in i live in again i live in i live in portsmouth or i got to see my dad bournemouth. you dad in bournemouth. are you getting paid say that? oh getting paid to say that? oh yeah. portsmouth tourist. getting paid to say that? oh yeah.i portsmouth tourist. getting paid to say that? oh yeah.i saidortsmouth tourist. getting paid to say that? oh yeah.i said portsmouthyurist. getting paid to say that? oh yeah.i said portsmouth tourists well i said portsmouth tourists now little bit in now but it's a little bit in this important place, it's an important point which is high streets country, streets across this country, have battered and it's have been battered and it's because have money because people don't have money in if you're in their. yeah. and if you're saying that people get personally poorer and pay rises can't with inflation can't keep up with inflation year after, year year after year after, year after year. but as a taxi dnvenif after year. but as a taxi driver, if people aren't getting a in inflation, they're a pay rise in inflation, they're less taxi. so less likely to take a taxi. so if sensible economics least if sensible economics at least see line with inflation,

see pay in line with inflation, do you know whether have you seen that that the companies seen that the that the companies announced bookings higher announced record bookings higher than the height of the pandemic . my high street completely ran very briefly in weybridge you all the single coffee has most millionaires in the country that account but that's typical to be one of them. well i'm sure you are trying to avoid being. i'm sure you are. but that's not the average person watching. no, seriously. streets seriously. high streets completely. completely everybody's holiday . everybody's going on holiday. you're going to see car, car sales are going uptick sales are going to uptick dramatically . the idea that this dramatically. the idea that this is a skint nation is completely wrong. i've been having those same observations. i what you mean you're going to queue outside tesco's tonight was round the block i think everyone's queuing they can get more one cucumber at a time more than one cucumber at a time or that people are stockpiling this of a sudden . and ijust this all of a sudden. and i just ikeep this all of a sudden. and i just i keep looking at the, the restaurants i know of them restaurants that i know of them are i was talking to are busy. i was talking to somebody and they somebody the day said and they said, getting loads of said, we're getting loads of bookings like, why is bookings i'm like, why is everyone getting their money from it because i know that

from is it because i know that things expensive things are more expensive our energy crippling. do energy bills are crippling. do you are just going you think people are just going into people just into our own? are people just getting them credit card getting lots of them credit card at moment? i think a big at the moment? i think a big part is payments on a part of it is payments on a mortgage bill always say i think a big part it is after covid people to enjoy life a bit people want to enjoy life a bit more. don't know the stuff more. so i don't know the stuff about holidays, people about holidays, but if people are holidays, that's are deferred holidays, that's perfectly but perfectly plausible. but generally speaking, i mean, i grew the nineties early grew up in the nineties early nineties. it bournemouth? nineties. was it no bournemouth? but these high but the point was these high streets, were great places streets, they were great places , they were shops, they were, they were exciting to be. they were exciting places to be. yeah. now frankly they look like they've battered. the they've been battered. the police right look like police far, far right look like they've genuinely been attacked by people. was down there at by people. i was down there at brighton weekend i was brighton the weekend and i was shocked. yeah the of that. shocked. yeah the state of that. okay, let just put in one okay, well, let just put in one for the weybridge high street association say actually association to say actually yeah, a lot of shops have shut and new shops have taken over and new shops have taken over and you know what, they've gone up—market down—market. am. up—market not down—market. i am. i am surprised about in weybridge. yes well i can. it's not running , it's not run style

not running, it's not run style or all. i'll take that, sir. well choosing which is supposed to be quite posh, they're close to be quite posh, they're close to mcdonald's and open to poundland. it's not happening everywhere cost everywhere you see cost of living crisis, i but living crisis, i think. but anyway, getting back to the important point, i really seriously that seriously hope that the government we've been government hang on, we've been through times. through some painful times. inflation is going to go down. deals are to done with these people. yeah, i want with that none of us are going get none of us are going to get inflation proof pay rises that's for birds unless we want to have inflation for a thousand years kelvin aron, thank you for now. now, coming up, a local has ianed now, coming up, a local has invited a trans woman who best exercises terrible, worst human animals in deeper years. yeah you need to die. we're not america is not face to speak a family event about . america is not face to speak a family event about. her art i'm going to be speaking to trans teacher debbie hayton about that next. don't go anywhere .

on welcome back to gb news the canine amongst you will see that i am not indeed laurence fox but i am not indeed laurence fox but i am not indeed laurence fox but i am bev turner now news the sheffield council has invited a trans gender cartoonist that in doge indulges in something called diaper for art to speak at a family has gone viral so labelle refuses to be slammed . labelle refuses to be slammed. her fetish will be speaking at a family event in sheffield central library , where she's central library, where she's going to be talking about her new book in which she details the in art and the interest in art and activism. now caused a bit of a stir because . is stir because. this is effectively an evolution of something called drag queen storytime, which you might be familiar with. so joining me now to this trans teacher to discuss this is trans teacher and hated . good and activist debbie hated. good evening, great to see evening, debbie. great to see you thank you forjoining me on you. thank you forjoining me on this. now we invited sophie, of course, to speak about this tonight, but we haven't heard back from her. so just didn't i

don't know if you're familiar with sophie and who she is and what she does, but can you just explain a bit to our viewers and listeners about her, her interests , what she will be interests, what she will be doing in sheffield ? sophie doing in sheffield? sophie labelle is from in canada and is a cartoon artist who sold sold work a cat cartoon work . sophie work a cat cartoon work. sophie is a sophie identifies as trans so as transition identifies as transgender. so as transition identifies as transgender . and that's tied in transgender. and that's tied in with the nappy fetishes who , as with the nappy fetishes who, as you called it, just us just just creates huge questions . you called it, just us just just creates huge questions. miriam cates mp i think used the word term red flags . she used the term red flags. she used the word sorry, used the term red flags. did miriam katz yeah about this is raising red flags . my own is we can go beyond the nappies as she she just just distasteful and who who on thinks this is a good role model

for children. i just don't understand. but sophie's work politically persuasive . sophie politically persuasive. sophie writes about trans youth. know this is a politically persuasive campaign. it's not just it's not just art. so how do you think she's got it past social sheffield council to go to this event and to be and giving her book to the children . well, it's book to the children. well, it's transgender isn't it ? it's transgender isn't it? it's a similar set i've been campaigning on trans issues now for six or seven years. concerned about the way in which the trans trans people are being used in this. we've seen we've seen women's rights being attacked any but any man who wants to wants to invade women's spaces can just identify as trans. what we're seeing what we're seeing here now is this is this breach of boundaries with children as well and by playing this transgender card, people seem to be concerned people seem

to be able to do what they please. so it's almost like transgender people become a protected species to which different apply well protected species or , priestly class in species or, priestly class in some. it just sometimes feels like a religious movement we're seeing here where a group of people just cannot , you know, people just cannot, you know, cannot be denied what they want to do. it just seems to me to be totally bizarre. we talk about rights and trans rights. a human rights. well, they are, but we're normal human beings like everybody else. well this this trans person, sophie, she talks about her her pension a penchant for diaper art. she's insisted i have a kink. i indulge in responsibly . i refuse to be responsibly. i refuse to be shamed by it. and she's talking. i mean, i really hope know this is sort of adult appropriate content. but in other words, she's sexual aroused by the concepts of wearing a nappy and being with somebody else who's also wearing it. i mean, this nothing if not a mind spent

expanding experience for me as well. and of course, miriam cates has said this is she said it's a safeguard issue. who putting protections in place for these children ? yeah. well, yes these children? yeah. well, yes , we have boundaries in place . , we have boundaries in place. we have safeguarding involves boundanes. we have safeguarding involves boundaries . we have boundaries boundaries. we have boundaries in place between adults , in place between adults, sexualities and children . and sexualities and children. and this just breaches those boundary . oh, you are so full of boundary. oh, you are so full of common sense. it's always an absolute pleasure to talk you. journalist debbie hayton there giving us her opinion on all sounds good. right then . how are sounds good. right then. how are you? dan wootton, are you there? good evening. it's indeed i am. and we will be continuing to that you had earlier in the show about this shamima begum andrew jury. he's the man who knows her best has spent lots time with meghan in syria and he says she's been lying to the british pubuc she's been lying to the british public no way she should be allowed back. and it's really angry of her. no one is talking about the victims of isis ehhen about the victims of isis either. so bethany haines is

going to be with us, too. is going to be with us, too. she is the daughter david haines, the daughter of david haines, who of course the british who was, of course the british aid beheaded i.s. aid worker beheaded by i.s. fantastic. and sure like fantastic. and i'm sure like me, your to hear tony your delighted to hear that tony blair pushing through digital blair is pushing through digital today. we talking about today. how are we talking about that to my god. william hague writes a good that i will writes a good look that i will be watching. you for be watching. thank you for watching tonight will be back on gb in my enormous love. gb views. in my enormous love. 10:00 morning. adults 10:00 tomorrow morning. adults 8:00 tomorrow night. well, i. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the office. showers will clear south overnight with clear in the north leading to frosty morning for scotland. northern ireland and parts of northern england. but for southern parts of uk we'll see the continuous of some showers. those showers are moving associated with this cleared fronts into central and then southern parts of the uk. so a slice of cloud . outbreaks of slice of cloud. outbreaks of rain on and off nothing particularly heavy or persistent that will initially affect northern england. the midlands parts of east anglia, but increasing feeding into wales in the south—west as the night

wears on, clearing skies. then for the far north of england, scotland and northern ireland, where will the where temperatures will dip the low figures a touch below low single figures a touch below freezing spots some spots. so freezing in spots some spots. so a fairly widespread frost first thing tomorrow . otherwise, thing tomorrow. otherwise, plenty of bright spells for scotland, northern ireland into . northern england. sunny spells breaking out as well as cloud and outbreaks. rain clear from the south and then for much of england. wales. it's a fine afternoon, but scotland and northern ireland, it turns increasingly cloudy, wet and windy. pushes into the windy. weather pushes into the north northwest of scotland. north and northwest of scotland. some heavy rain over the northwest highlands strengthening for the northern isles . now that wet and windy isles. now that wet and windy weather comes south during thursday evening. increasingly feeding into central and then southern scotland. southern parts of scotland. a few showers for northern ireland and this area of cloud drifting its southwards through the night as well to the south of that's the far south of england. it stays clear through the night and as a result there'll be a touch of frost in places on morning. but otherwise, across the uk, for five celsius,

the uk, three for five celsius, typically so generally frost free but is a cloudy start to the day for the vast majority and we'll see those outbreaks of rain across central rain continuing across central southern scotland into northern and then there's rain spells come south into , central and come south into, central and eventually southern and parts by the end of friday afternoon to the end of friday afternoon to the north of that a strengthening wind and feeling a bit colder. but for the high pressure builds that will lead to a lot fine and dry wet.

no spin though , no censorship. no spin though, no censorship. i'm dan watson . justice has been i'm dan watson. justice has been doneice i'm dan watson. justice has been done ice inspired should be begum is bid to regain uk citizenship has been rejected . citizenship has been rejected. the bbc's twisted efforts to convince us the terrorist is victim failed . i don't regret it victim failed. i don't regret it because i've it's changed as a

person i always in the back of my was like questioning my decision but just i knew there was nothing i could do about it . but as her lawyers file to fight on, i'm going make clear my digesting said any return by beckham will put brits in serie as stranger than my superstar. by the way. and joining me tonight, dawn neesom adam brooks and ashley james, take him in. the b may not give a about the real victims of isis, but i do . real victims of isis, but i do. so tonight, i'm going to get the reaction of. the daughter of one of their countless victims beheaded, aid worker david haines, on a where justice and sanity prevail . for now sanity prevail. for now basically will join me alongside the man who knows bacon best, andrew drury, who says playing a pr game they are both with me live at 1020. also coming up as an independent review is launched into language police is handung launched into language police is handling nicola bulley case. handling the nicola bulley case. who's more at fault for the past three weeks the media or the police. that's big debate in the media buzz at 1030 with reform

soaring in the polls superwomen slalom making a very will resignation threat over northern ireland don't support selling out on northern ireland allowing the eu a foothold in the united kingdom. so is the british pubuc kingdom. so is the british public also aware , the british public also aware, the british might be about to be a brexit, be about to be betrayed reforms. leader richard tice reveals why he's suing the conservative party live in the studio at 950 as harry and meghan break their silence by claims they want to sue the creators of south park over this now infamous episode . over this now infamous episode. we are having a private have an affair to him we are having a private have an affairto him and rely so we are having a private have an affair to him and rely so has the us cartoon got in the skin of the sussexes royal author and harry's official biographer, angela levin, lent her latest insight at 935 after the snp leadership frontrunner kate forbes is written for making comments on same sex marriage

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