and armstrong here. delighted . and armstrong here. delighted to be sitting for polly middlehurst . former hollywood middlehurst. former hollywood film producer harvey weinstein has been sentenced to 16 additional years in prison after being found guilty of rape and sexual assault in la. weinstein is already serving a 23 year sentence for a separate conviction. in new york , which conviction. in new york, which is under appeal . the jury in the is under appeal. the jury in the los angeles case convicted weinstein on charges against the single victim known as jane doe, who says incident happened when weinstein appeared uninvited at her hotel room during a film festival in 2013. the former film producer maintains allegations against him were a setup . disgraced singer kelly setup. disgraced singer kelly has been sentenced to an additional year in prison on top of the 30 he is already serving for an earlier conviction. he's a 20 year jail term today on charges relating child enticement and producing indecent images of children. all

almost all of that, though, will be served civil, tenuously alongside his previous sentence in june last , alongside his previous sentence in june last, kelly was sentenced to 30 years in prison after convicted on racketeering and charges he will be eligible for release around the age of 83. man have been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder following the shooting of a high ranking officer in omagh. detective chief inspector john caldwell was targeted by two masked men while his son and he were at a sports centre last night. he's a critical but stable condition and hospital police say , the dissident group police say, the dissident group the new ira is their focus and they're reviewing the threat level , chief constable simon level, chief constable simon byrne told reporters . a byrne told reporters. a respected colleague is fighting for his life. clearly as an organisation we are utterly shocked and angered by last night's brazen and calculated attack . john is father, husband attack. john is father, husband and colleague and a valued and

active member of his local community. john's colleagues are understandably extreme , deeply understandably extreme, deeply distressed by last night's shooting . however, they remain shooting. however, they remain resolute and committed to bringing those responsible for this heinous crime to . justice. this heinous crime to. justice. police say there's been a possible sighting of a 33 year old man who's gone missing while climbing in glencoe , kyle climbing in glencoe, kyle sandbrook from west yorkshire to the highlands with his dog on saturday. he had been due to return tuesday. however, he's made no contact with family or friends since arriving in scotland. police are to anyone with information to come forward and several nations are holding vigils this evening in tribute to ukraine. a year on from russia's invasion. the eiffel tower in paris has been lit up in the colours of the ukrainian flag whilst in london hundreds of people have gathered in trafalgar square pay their respects with . defence secretary respects with. defence secretary ben wallace and actress helen

mirren. among those giving speeches , a national minute's speeches, a national minute's silence will be held at 11:00 tomorrow morning to mark the anniversary of the start of the war. tv, online and dab plus radio. this is gb views. but now it's back to . it's back to. bev turner. very good evening now. sadiq khan said yesterday that he has no economic plan b. if his ulez expansion scheme is overturned in a judicial review being by five london councils . why.7 five london councils. why.7 because five london councils. why? because above all else, nothing matters except . keeping you safe matters except. keeping you safe . safe from pollution which has of course drastically improved in london since the pea soup wars of the 1950s, cause those evil radical symbols of freedom

and privacy must be policed by secret cameras, even on open roads at 5 am, because at 22 miles an hour might not keep you safe. and all the new combustion engine cars are banned sale in the uk from 2030. what do you you can't afford a new car. tough you need everyone to be safe. meat is off the menu in scottish schools and care homes to save future generations from rising sea levels . log burners rising sea levels. log burners in your are on khan's hit list too because of all the perilous smoke , regardless of the cheap smoke, regardless of the cheap heat, you might want to generate to keep you warm . the rise of to keep you warm. the rise of health and safety risk assessments are not being able to spill a cup of coffee at work without someone leaping to the rescue with the sign has been long the making. we now live in a world where a packet of notes displays the warning may contain notes, presumably because some notes, presumably because some notes can't work that out for themselves. but over the last three years, the government took this creepy presuming everyone is stupid culture and put it

steroids . and i ask, do you ever steroids. and i ask, do you ever see us returning to a time when the individual was deemed capable? no, frankly . capable? no, frankly. responsible for. capable? no, frankly. responsible for . the hourly responsible for. the hourly commitment of staying alive . i commitment of staying alive. i consider myself to be extreme risk averse. i'm a condom and a seatbelt kind of girl. not necessarily. at the same time . i necessarily. at the same time. i don't ski or cycle on main roads. i don't smoke . i eat. roads. i don't smoke. i eat. okay. and i walk when i can. i believe that most left to their own devices are pretty good at maintaining their own pulse without politician making decisions for them . the people decisions for them. the people who statistically suffer from inner city pollution predominantly live next to busy roads . so let us plant trees, roads. so let us plant trees, improve window insulation, provide air cleaning systems if necessary . these small areas necessary. these small areas help people , but don't penalise help people, but don't penalise every hard working person who wants to drive a van to work because life expectancy on a day

to sheet trumps all considerations. we need a smaller states who lets live our lives unless break the law takes as little of our income as possible so that we can they can spend it with other people and use it to do what they do more efficiently on great public services. it is not complicated . oh, and stop the patrician attitude of keeping safe. that's my job, not the government's . my job, not the government's. but i know what you think. i'm joined now by denis macshane, former labour minister for europe giggling away that denis is great. no, a wonderful just wonderful speech about greed with lots of it. was it did you write yourself? yes, i did write it yourself? yes, i did write it yourself? yes, i did write myself. good you. but write it myself. good you. but we did it in the nanny tv studios. i was a bbc producer a long time before were long time ago. before you were born. there's always a daddy producer scripts . producer writing the scripts. no, david, speak your weight machine. so i'm glad that you wrote. well, thank you. really vigorous. thank you very much. you we don't even have you can see we don't even have cameramen in place, as you cameramen in this place, as you might seen, if you might have seen, if you just

caught the view we just had. no, look where it starts. it is lovely you here, dennis lovely to have you here, dennis what did you what i was what did you make of what i was saying, politically? saying, though, politically? it's isn't this it's interesting, isn't it this idea the state reaching into idea of the state reaching into our life more than ever before. yes, to do so. we yes, but we ask to do so. we demand police on demand more police on the streets. demand old by streets. we demand the old by military friends , more army, military friends, more army, more ammunitions, a big seminar this with generals , this afternoon with generals, experts. all said, we want experts. they all said, we want the state to step up industrial , more ammunition, more tags, more this in face of ukraine. we want the state to intervene in what we can see on the internet to protect children. do we. well, that's for me. so brilliant example of where that you possibly. all right . i brilliant example of where that you possibly. all right. i mean i think i want the child or the side of saying the age that providers should have an ethical and in due even a criminal responsibility not to allow children to watch harmful is pretty foul . the censorship may

pretty foul. the censorship may be mean not here but we've got a very popular station, radio station broadcasting station, the envy of the world here called the bbc . oh, paid for it called the bbc. oh, paid for it is . come on. called the bbc. oh, paid for it is. come on. come on. i was a foreign office minister. i lived abroad. i was in south africa. i was in poland during the communist era. the bbc was a lifeline to free was then i would absolute lutely agree with you and it kind of pays me is somebody that's love for the bbc love the fact that it hasn't had adverts many years over adverts for so many years over the years i see the last couple of years i see them predominantly the them predominantly as the government mouthpiece that we've had of the that had one side of the world that is true you cannot get you know the place the tv . i used to the only place the tv. i used to be bbc producer minister but the one because i've got strong views of brexit the bbc would never have me on. whereas gb news bless them. allow me to come here. debate with friends. i mean, i'm pro—european , debate i mean, i'm pro—european, debate with the anti—europeans, the bbc bans me completely. i have to

come to a free state or a free speech channel like to gb news make the case that brexit is doing all the damage it is to economy. we don't talk about well, i think city can't doing a pretty good job at the moment of destroying to be frank. and that was one of the points i was making that particularly when it comes to car, this idea that comes to the car, this idea that our to day , our to our our day to day, our to our freedoms are compromised under the auspices of safety . that's the auspices of safety. that's what's changed. dennis i think that's where we see this, this very different notion . yes, by very different notion. yes, by all means, fund the police . all means, fund the police. people don't feel the irony is. of course, we've got this paradox. people don't feel safe at the moment with the police because i mean, some high profile cases of the police not keeping people . and yet we also keeping people. and yet we also feel that so things are pushed through under the guise you mustn't die . do you think we mustn't die. do you think we should be moving back to a time you have when we're encouraged to take responsible for ourselves and all of that and

revive passion? is i'm still doing it now as with mp, skiing is the beginning of take it up please . no, i'm terrified . oh, please. no, i'm terrified. oh, you'd be pretty all out. i'll coach. you'd be pretty all out. i'll coach . i'll give you personal coach. i'll give you personal tuition for i tell you to ski and you'll never ever not want to build about this once or twice a year. but you'll you'll you'll write. i think one of the problems is we've got such a big in britain and other countries worked in like, say, switzerland , germany, all these decisions are taken much closer to the people . your income tax in. people. your income tax in. switzerland is decided at the canton or level if you like. it's like a county level in sweden . the same here . you've sweden. the same here. you've got the man in whitehall the woman in whitehall deciding everything and there's no way of kicking back , keir starmer said. kicking back, keir starmer said. this year that actually he didn't talk about it so much in a speech that he did today, but he's been talking devolving powers locally, which is what you've just been describing. i

don't think as far as whether what level of you pay, but talking about devolving those powers. but i slightly worry that if you put more power into these local councillors that maybe they will start to exercise the sort of megalomaniac tendencies that i have to say talking about. that's really the case for heaven's sake , go out and defeat heaven's sake, go out and defeat them . i mean, that's the beauty them. i mean, that's the beauty of democracy begins with the people here. yeah, we can every five years, 20, 30 million of us go out and vote. we a government. and that's it for another five years. that's crazy. we need a lot more councils , active policies, but councils, active policies, but there's difficult places. for example, i'm passionate about the need for more houses in britain. obviously protecting the greenbelt. our beautiful landscape, there's lots of rubbish scrub blood that's held in land bags by house builders. they won't release it to build . they won't release it to build. and so i'm just saying goodbye to little grandeur children. i'll be long gone. will be able to afford a house as i could as

ihope to afford a house as i could as i hope you could, or all the nimbys going to stop it all. so actually, maybe we need a bit more state say there's wider more state to say there's wider social interest than you who bought your house 30 years ago and you're going to allow anybody else to live near it. well, this is the thing i you have to see that debate where i imagine it will go. is this this prism of is it going to save the planet? is it going to keep us all safe? worry is we'll be all safe? my worry is we'll be having fewer houses, particularly the countryside particularly in the countryside , and we're going to get much more urban high rises , more dense urban high rises, pack everybody in. that's not a vision i want for my grandchildren, you know? absolutely. well my own view is without getting into european, it's not about europe. we've got a japan good america can go to canada, to new zealand, go canada, go to new zealand, go copy. best practise everywhere . copy. best practise everywhere. we're so inward looking and we've become much more inward looking since we cut all links with europe. if it's not done in england, it's not designed by nigel farage, it doesn't have a union jack on it. it won't work.

you'll betraying the british people, the english people? no lots and lots of things work better on the obviously we haven't time so i but so haven't got the time so i but so still was right but don't we had in when i was a labour minister we had a policy to devolve government to the north—east what happened? dominic cummings whose parents would be glad to know this up there, jumped up, was his first big campaign to say no, no, we've got to keep all power in london. one day i'll have some of that power on only come up to the north—east to get my eyes inspected and i'll have a friend called boris . we'll totally public. we've . we'll be totally public. we've got that power to got to keep all that power to ourselves in london. and so he lost himself, stymied it. and it's extraordinary campaign to say , yeah, we don't want more say, yeah, we don't want more power . we like the big state. power. we like the big state. well, i'm not a fan of the big state dna, so i'm a fan of you, though would you come on my morning show? pleasure that would be brilliant. denis

macshane, a former labour minister europe. right next minister for europe. right next up we effectively got open up, we have effectively got open borders as of today, pretty much with afghanistan, syria, eritrea also. and the government wants a fast track . thousands of fast track. thousands of applications for illegal immigrants who've come from those countries. i want to know what you think about that. don't go anyway .

so much so that and it doesn't really suit me my guest there , really suit me my guest there, toby young and bushra sheikh are here to help me through these big of the day. welcome guys. now, there big story today about , the migrants. this there's not a day that goes by which phrase this is not in the press. in some. we've got this backlog this massive backlog at the moment of 90,000 claims that

were submitted and this is before the end of june 2022. so we still also got the rest of 20, 22 and 23. so the solution is to let basically people from afghanistan, eritrea, syria , afghanistan, eritrea, syria, yemen and libya who made a claim before that date , it's about before that date, it's about 12,000 people to basically just fill ten pages. toby not have an interview and then off you go. you write with a no . i think you write with a no. i think it's pretty shocking , really. it's pretty shocking, really. and it's essentially sending a green signal to the people traffickers and all the people waiting to cross the channel from those particular countries. so it's a form of racial profiling. they've in the past, 95% of applicants from eritrea , 95% of applicants from eritrea, libya, afghanistan . those five libya, afghanistan. those five countries are awarded that granted refugee status because that war torn countries, though, right. because predominantly, yes. so instead of interviewing them, instead of finding out whether they are genuine, are

asylum seekers , they're just asylum seekers, they're just going to let them essentially after after after filling in some paperwork , they'll obtain some paperwork, they'll obtain refugee status . and that means refugee status. and that means anyone from those countries thinks, well, if i come to england , i'll automatically be england, i'll automatically be granted refugee status. i mean, admittedly, this is just 12,000, but they haven't said it's only a one off. and the reason for this backlog , because as soon as this backlog, because as soon as they process these applications, more people arrive on small boats. i mean, the number of refugees , the channel or asylum refugees, the channel or asylum seekers crossing the channel on small boats this year is 70% higher than the equivalent penod higher than the equivalent period last year. so it's a it's just it they're building up trouble for themselves. bushra is that what it is? it's just just clearing the desk. it's sort of like senior in box, isn't it? you know, we all get like a very full if they all isn't it? you know, we all get just get through and i'll just delete we'll delete those. we'll just we'll just let them through. of course, 12,000 95% course, these 12,000 people, 95% of would to be of whom we would expect to be given green light, will then given the green light, will then be able get work because they

be able to get work because they will. they're not will. that's great. they're not just going to be sponging off the and in hotel. the stay and living in a hotel. they and get a job. they can go and get a job. absolutely you know, i don't even understand this hasn't even understand why this hasn't been we've 90,000 been done. we've got 90,000 people. backlog. people. we've got a backlog. something has to be done. actually, this brilliant idea actually, this a brilliant idea because now we're going to have people from hotels people moving from the hotels where individuals where we've got individuals protesting actually start building actually building their lives. i actually think is very think that this is very compassion our prime minister compassion of our prime minister do there is do for them. and there is a series of interviews. it may not be perhaps one that you be the perhaps the one that you want be, they will need want to be, but they will need to evidence for why they to provide evidence for why they seeking order get that seeking asylum in order get that status country. and it's status in this country. and it's going to put people into work. you it's such a long you know, it's such a long procedure and i'm these procedure and i'm sure these poor already fled poor people that already fled all atrocity, they've all this atrocity, they've come from place they from to a place where they finding waiting for finding that they waiting for such a long they should have been now i think it's been done. see now i think it's a brilliant idea. toby it's so politically it the country crying out for the government . crying out for the government. stop these people traffickers bringing people across the channel. sometimes at great danger to their lives. people

people are killed every day trying to cross the channel. we need to address that problem at its root. this is a sticking . its root. this is a sticking. this is saying we can't cope with all the applications have to process because the people are just in by the boatload on an hourly basis. so what are we going to do instead of trying stop that flood that cannot just grant them refugees . that is grant them refugees. that is automatically just crazy . what automatically just crazy. what do you think? they will live ? i do you think? they will live? i don't know . i think. you do you think? they will live? i don't know. i think. you think you know what? if you're here and you have literally nothing. and you will go and get presuming a very low paid job. it's i mean, you're probably going to be applying for a council house. this is going to be nearly 12,000 people wanting council accommodation over here. yeah, correct. and the is yeah, correct. and the thing is thatis yeah, correct. and the thing is that is is going to happen that is that is going to happen because unfortunate fortune whichever look whichever way you want to look at when we look at the at it when we look at the economy, people naturally progressing to progressing work. we going to have available for have employment available for individuals this individuals that people in this country to do. so country simply want to do. so when asylum seekers over when these asylum seekers over because from such an because they come from such an awful background, they willing

to the jobs that other people to do the jobs that other people are do. and that's really are not to do. and that's really important to understand. otherwise, we're going to have this influx of availability of work nobody to do and they work nobody wants to do and they do fill gap in this do fill that gap in this country. can't decent service country. we can't decent service anywhere. massive anywhere. there is a massive labour shortage. bush have labour shortage. does bush have a or maybe someone that we a point or maybe someone that we could working for the could end up working for the asylum centres and process the it done a little bit it might get done a little bit more an actual face more quickly. do an actual face to interview. it is 40% to face interview. it is 40% down in that particular unit of the home office in spite of the fact that they've almost doubled the number of employees. i well it's supposedly poor morale in the department but i think the modern act has increased the kind red tape they have to process. well processing and application it may well be working from home. yeah. i think it's productivity hasn't recovered from what it was at pre—pandemic levels and it wasn't great then . and so you so wasn't great then. and so you so you completely with this pressure, it's just think about what i've been thinking about what i've been thinking about what type u.s. about the message it sends his here's your worry i

kind of like to think about these in in the real world not just the theory in paper or this on a spreadsheets in the on a on a spreadsheets in the home office. if the people home office. if are the people trafficker what, do you go home say tonight to the people who want across channel. i'm want to get across channel. i'm guessing you would go guys i've got a great idea i know you're not from eritrea libya syria, yemen say you are have no documentation. they don't know say you are and you're in. yeah, you know what? we look we we're discussing it's on a wide spectrum. of course, we're always going to faces, challenges. and those problems know we need to find that the right and the most accurate way to this. because on one hand, we don't want to stop from coming into the country and same time, we want to exploit the we don't want to exploit the system will happen . and of system that will happen. and of course, into the course, when they go into the interview you know , you interview stage, you know, you know, i always like to believe that people are going to be honest. you can tell ones honest. and you can tell ones that are about stuff very, that are lying about stuff very, very quickly. yeah , i do. i

very quickly. bank yeah, i do. i do. if there is face to face interview, can you still tell because to provide because they need to provide evidence , still need to provide evidence, still need to provide evidence, still need to provide evidence and on evidence and based on the evidence, application be evidence, the application can be granted it's not like we granted or so it's not like we just blindly. just going into this blindly. and the way, the five and by the way, the five countries they've chosen, they have of have a 90% success rate of actually that do enter actually people that do enter countries do go there and build something. so actually something. so that's actually really positive. those five countries be about . countries will be spoken about. i i'm not convinced i don't know. i'm not convinced . i think i think in the short term, it might look like it's going paper. the going to look great paper. the numbers going to down. numbers are going to go down. they be bragging about, they will be bragging about, look, we've tackled the backlog. we've hard. the we've really hard. but in the long term, is it going to be a deterrent like toby said, we need this to be we it to be need this to be we need it to be a deterrent. we people to a deterrent. we need people to think not going to be think they're not going to be able stay at this. yeah. able to stay at this. yeah. polar so maybe this polar opposite. so maybe this isn't term isn't maybe this the long term way doing it . maybe isn't maybe this the long term way doing it. maybe this way of doing it. maybe this isn't term process, but isn't the long term process, but the fact that we do have 90,000 plus individuals need to plus individuals they need to get through that number get through that that number potentially to increase. potentially still to increase. so we need to a system and so we need to have a system and perhaps doing it by the 12,000,

we could actually have a good idea this process is idea of how this process is working. and if doesn't maybe working. and if it doesn't maybe go the drawing table go back to the drawing table knowing much of political hot knowing much of a political hot potato. toby. are you potato. this is toby. are you surprised that rishi sunak has put he's just made his tone deaf with electorate. it's with the electorate. it's extraordinary. it's extraordinary. i mean, and it's a issue which affects, a it's an issue which affects, you know , voters in conservative you know, voters in conservative seats which are at risk at the moment i mean, if you look at the polls, almost every conservative seat is at risk. and i'm sure they'll close a little between now next little between now and the next general election. but this kind of thing will be hung around his neck, particularly parties to neck, particularly by parties to the the conservative the right of the conservative party . they'll to party. they'll bleed votes to parties like reform and reclaim. i mean, rishi, if he wants to stand a chance of being re—elected next year, he's going to have to do something. the small boat crisis . it's not small boat crisis. it's not enough to meet target, reducing the number of people on the on the number of people on the on the on the waiting by cheating i mean he's got to do something about the small boats. surely the solution has to be about

processing people over in france . why can we just not make it? that's happening so very well having these policies . we need having these policies. we need people as human beings doing this work. yeah. and obviously people and human beings doing that means we need a budget to pay that means we need a budget to pay those individuals and we're not paying the people in not already paying the people in this country enough . so that's this country enough. so that's going be another thing. going to be another thing. they're the budget they're going have the budget there that's going there and that's going to go out. you've got make out. then you've got to make deals france and say, okay, deals with france and say, okay, what's when what's going to happen when people does that people come over? how does that work? then we've got to get work? and then we've got to get them over here. you know, these are these are huge conversations. it needs to happen. to back to happen. i want to go back to toby's. think that the general toby's. i think that the general british public far more british public are far more loving and caring and compassionate believe compassionate than we believe that and i think that they are. and i think this might be good look for might be a very good look for our prime minister it may our prime minister and it may have opposite. so i think have the opposite. so i think there's a lot more people in this country that are going to probably bigger and say, probably have a bigger and say, yes, you know, yes, we do have, you know, all these our country, we these people in our country, we do the jobs available for do have the jobs available for them and, you know, i have grandparents, parents that all

came and. we've came across here and. we've worked so using worked incredibly hard. so using as there are as an example, there are thousands people out there thousands of people out there that do same. that willing to do the same. okay. right. guys. okay. right. thank you, guys. kicking for. okay. still kicking us off for. okay. still to come, disagree agenda. to come, disagree an agenda. have bias. we're going have a class bias. we're going to a look why it's to be taking a look at why it's always people who always working. people who are picking tab eco picking up the tab for eco policies. and it's virtue signalling proponents. see you.

in three. you're watching bev turner in florence locks slot now the eco in which we are supposed to live is proving rather expensive green on energy are apparently more important than being able to afford to use a tumble dryer on a rainy day. solar and heat pumps remain a luxury for the rich. and today , owner of rich. and today, owner of vauxhall admitted that even the middle classes can't afford electric cars amidst . a slump in electric cars amidst. a slump in

demand . are you going to accept demand. are you going to accept living a smaller and more financially draining life in the name of the planet . well joining name of the planet. well joining me now is a policy researcher laurie laybourne hi laurie good to see you. all right . it's to see you. all right. it's expensive living a green and eco friendly life, isn't it ? not friendly life, isn't it? not necessarily it is. if you're spending , you know, money on spending, you know, money on a hugely expensive vehicle. but there are many other ways to live a lifestyle that's more friendly the planet as well. it's probably better for your health if you can, using more pubuc health if you can, using more public transport, walking and cycling places and other things like that . but are we being put like that. but are we being put too much pressure ? the decision too much pressure? the decision has been made , laurie. we have has been made, laurie. we have all got to save the planet. so we all have responsibility. we have to change the minutiae of our life , not just do you our life, not just do you recycling on a tuesday night, not just, you know , consume a not just, you know, consume a little less to save the planet, not just moderate the of flights

you might take, but, you know, we're being asked to just change so many fundamental that so much of this revolves around travel and the car and how we can get around freely as human beings. i don't remember voting for any of this . i think don't remember voting for any of this. i think that you could. well, hopefully we'll be in situation in the not too distant future where electric cars cheaper than petrol and, diesel cars. that, of course, isn't the case right now. but some smart policies could push into that kind of situation. car companies around the world have made it very clear that they're going big on electric vehicles and we that when companies start to go big on a certain technology, they become cheaper because they learn how to make them better. the technology, more people buy them and it pushes the price down. we see that in some countries , particularly in the countries, particularly in the nordic region . norway has nordic region. norway has managed to push cars. the situation in that country where it is now people's while to be

an electric vehicle and they'll get the benefits from that including lower air pollution and when we're in a situation where, energy is and electricity is in dependent on high gas pnces is in dependent on high gas prices , it will then be cheaper prices, it will then be cheaper for people as. prices, it will then be cheaper for people as . well, which also for people as. well, which also sounds wonderful in this eco utopia, as i called it. but if you were a plumber and a morning and you've got to drive your van around london and you slept with £12, 50 fine, which is , i call £12, 50 fine, which is, i call it every time you go out of your front door. it's very hard to buy into the idea that if just just stick with it, we'll be there soon. i mean, the cheapest electric car could find was a fiat hundred from about £22,000. and you can only go 150 miles in it before it conks out. you've got to look for a plug socket. so massive failure that the tory party government that have failed to make the investments and give us the support where alternatives are cheaper for some more affordable . you could some more affordable. you could have seen a situation over last

1012 years without the you know constant incompetence in this government where they invested in charging points, where they invested battery technologies, where the uk became a world leader, maybe in those technologies and we all would have benefited from it. so, you know , places that are trying to know, places that are trying to reduce pollution problem and hopefully that congestion problem like london and other cities around the uk, they need to be helped out by central government central government and central government. government has not done that's why we find done that and that's why we find in that kind of bind. okay thank you. i'm going to bring my panel in here. toby young to drive a car . i in here. toby young to drive a car. i do. what is this, a diesel ? it's car. i do. what is this, a diesel? it's a diesel. can you imagine the headache of having to drive electric car because that's where we're . i spend half that's where we're. i spend half the day for my phone charger. i don't want to spend the other half looking for a car. yeah, people got electric cars. just tell an unending stream of nightmarish stories. i mean , not nightmarish stories. i mean, not only running out of energy before they find a point. and

the terrible , constant, nagging the terrible, constant, nagging fear you're going to break down before you get to that point in a long journey, when you do get to a fast charging point, there's a massive queue. you have to wait two or 3 hours to charge your vehicle. they break down the and when they down the time and when they break can't push off break down, can't push them off the road they're so the road because they're so heavy, because got these heavy, because they've got these batteries know, with batteries in and you know, with respect to your interviewee, i mean it's not just the fault of the tory government. we don't have infrastructure place have the infrastructure in place , the , we don't have the infrastructure available to support kind of technology. support this kind of technology. people electric people leapt into the electric market without realising we were never going to have the infrastructure, not for ten, 15, maybe years to support the number of electric car owners. so i'm sorry if you still there. lorry lebanese still a yet so toby's the guy who was riding a horse and saying guys these car things with they're a non—starter we're not going to have the infrastructure to make it happen it's not workable . so it happen it's not workable. so on and look what happened. we

moved to a better technology for getting around and that's what we're in the throes of at the moment and the only really is whether or not or how much government needs to give us some support. and my view is that it needs to push us a little bit further and we will soon and hopefully not too distant future, but a situation where future, but in a situation where electrics people's electrics are, where people's while hopefully while financially and hopefully this is to keep it britain becomes a leader in becomes a world leader in producing say the that are needed for those vehicles. toby you horse riding luddites . you are horse riding luddites. most car owners most of the electric car owners i know happily trade their i know would happily trade their electric vehicle for a horse, but for many to be, you know, the first person suggested that on this channel today ken livingstone said that to me 11:00 this morning. bushra what it does feel old, isn't it, that these changes are forced upon us without a choice? i think that's my problem, by all means. if you can afford a tesla, you can afford a really expensive i mean, they like six figure sums in early on. there's something expensive us not you sells out

go for your life if you have to on heston services plugged in for an hour and a half because you can't do the last five miles home that's your choice. but i don't want to be charged for having to just use my fabulous diesel car. yeah. i mean , diesel car. yeah. i mean, there's this feeling that is being forced on us all being pushed this direction. and obviously it's because keep talking about global warming and it's a it's a it's a climate issue. and we're trying to be greener and sometimes do sit there and question because i haven't let's say, moved haven't quite, let's say, moved over other side. you over to the other side. you know, i still haven't gotten things myself. things like questioning myself. why i'm doing that? and why is it i'm doing that? and part of it is because perhaps we're just not in that that stage even electric are stage where even electric are probably at their best. you know, we still see occurring because the more people drive them, the more we're going to find out what issues these electric cars got. i mean, electric cars have got. i mean, l, electric cars have got. i mean, i, i read a story the other day about whole family trapped in their because electric their car because the electric chair stop and chair decided to stop and couldn't which is couldn't get out, which is incredibly and i'm i'm

incredibly dangerous and i'm i'm a certainly a mother and. i certainly wouldn't that to happen. at wouldn't want that to happen. at least, you know. well, i heard a great example the other day, laurie, still there, laurie, if you're still there, tell do in this tell me what we do in this situation right. we that situation right. we know that apparently weather getting apparently weather is getting more picture and 25, more extreme. picture and 25, one january we friday afternoon and the snow comes down and the traffic comes to a halt and those cars are stuck on a motorway for 24 hours. they're electric. how did you move them 7 electric. how did you move them ? how did you plug them in? it's not a riddle. i genuinely want to know the solution. well, if drain them. but they wouldn't drain them. but they wouldn't drain them. but they wouldn't drain the battery. so moving you to join, it's all got the heater on. they're all freezing. it's minus five out there. what happens choice now is it but the heat the you power for your car is pretty low use of the energy then in the battery the vehicle so people have to be stuck there for such a long time using the here is such a high temperature that there would be bigger problems. you know they'd be running out of food before they got to point you know we were

already doing that to electric vehicles serious like vehicles like serious like joking apart like i tried to envisage these real world situations . so let's apply some situations. so let's apply some common sense to the problem even if half those cars when they if half of those cars when they got on m25 only had got stuck on the m25 only had half charge in battery and half charge in their battery and they couldn't move still got a grid locked 25. what do you do but they could have enough petrol or whatever. i mean to actually take petrol . you can actually take petrol. you can take a petrol can . got a take a petrol can. got a solution to that then you bu it's a little tiny petrol can what do you do you one full all the time in the back of the it is really give me a plug socket an actually existing real world problem . right is a problem air problem. right is a problem air pollution in our cities and other issues that we know get from petrol and diesel vehicles and honestly car companies getting big on electric vehicles . one day they will be far cheaper , will be driving around cheaper, will be driving around in one. hopefully you will as well and then we will benefit

from the fact that there'll be less air pollution, all the other benefits that come using vehicles that. toby i've vehicles like that. toby i've always been an electric car sceptic. i mean, not least because the carbon footprint of producing an electric car is often higher than . the carbon often higher than. the carbon footprint of producing a diesel petrol and petrol driven car and encouraging people to give up their diesel petrol driven their diesel and petrol driven and purchase an electric car means an electric car has to be manufactured. you can manufactured. and so you can have to drive have a much you have to drive around your car for long around in your car for a long time before produce more carbon that was involved in creating that was involved in creating that vehicle. and we know that new vehicle. and we know that new vehicle. and we know that deal of that there's a great deal of child exploitation , the mining child exploitation, the mining of the they need for the batteries. it's as though they were a kind of way of virtue signalling for kind of middle class progress civic guardian reading who care about the planet , reading who care about the planet, doing their bit, fulfilling the social and they're being punished for their virtue signalling. i'm enjoying it, i have to say. but don't talk about lorry leybourne like that. it's not going anywhere yet. i'm lorry. if you are still there we will the word to

there we will give the word to you. yeah yeah. thank yeah. you. yeah yeah. thank you. yeah. and i am not that cliche . a con and i am not that cliche. a con affords an electric vehicle and i. i support government policies that would make it easier for me to support them petrol diesel cars have all full supply chains as well with massive amounts of exports in them. my actually view is that we should be in a situation where we have such good public transport, where we have train companies that don't take the mickey when it comes to the prices they charge us that actually don't have to use these vehicles so much. it doesn't mean i'm going go and stop mean i'm going to go and stop else using i just want else from using one. i just want to be a situation where those who use cars have got who do need to use cars have got a clean alternative and one that they afford well. they can afford as well. and i think the government can do more to make that happens. okay. all right. and know what, lorry, right. and you know what, lorry, when on gb news and we have when i'm on gb news and we have that traffic jam the m25 that massive traffic jam the m25 because downpour of snow, that massive traffic jam the m25 bec.calling downpour of snow, that massive traffic jam the m25 bec.calling you downpour of snow, that massive traffic jam the m25 bec.calling you and1pour of snow, that massive traffic jam the m25 bec.calling you and you'ref snow, that massive traffic jam the m25 bec.calling you and you're going!, i'm calling you and you're going to come in. i'm going to go told you so. right. thanks much for joining us. my panel are still

here but coming up, it's the latest of the roald dahl posthumous censorship controversy. suspect controversy. an unlikely suspect is rather subtly perhaps you might say little bit cryptically weighed in on the debate to find out who after .

break so it's been a scandal of the week hasn't hit puffin publishers made the bizarre and on decision to start redacting and replacing parts of roald dahps and replacing parts of roald dahl's legendary works of fiction. but a twist in the tale only today when speaking at a reception , her online book club reception, her online book club to, a group of writers, the queen consort . it said that you queen consort. it said that you mustn't let anybody put limits on your . the mustn't let anybody put limits on your. the papers have put mustn't let anybody put limits on your . the papers have put two on your. the papers have put two and two together. it was a bit cryptic they've concluded that she's referring to the roald ed

scandal authorjournalist scandal author journalist rebecca reid joins me now. great to see you rebecca. tell me , do to see you rebecca. tell me, do you think this is what i'll queen consort was alluding to when she made this statement about not anybody compromise your free and your creativity . your free and your creativity. i mean i think it's a good policy generally. and i think it was a good message. and if people want to take it way, they're welcome to take it way, they're welcome to personally do think that they are supposed to be politically neutral to stay of neutral and to stay out of things. i'm choosing to things. so i'm choosing to believe just or believe it was just a happy or unhappy coincidence depending on what the you sit what side of the debate you sit on. are you fascinated, though, by big? this story has been by how big? this story has been week the newspapers and week and how the newspapers and the online press tonight have instantly joined these two together. how can it be such a big deal? just a few words in a children's book. well, it's not a big deal for sort of in theory, because every time the books are reissued the estate. so somebody died. the copyright of . the book stays with the

of. the book stays with the estate for , i believe, 75 years. estate for, i believe, 75 years. and so when you die as an author, you have to leave the rights of your book to somebody. when you die a relationship equivalent to actually and those people have to smile every time is reissues not that much money for the fans of roald dahl, but still yeah every time it's they do check over and see what and see what needs to be changed. so when i was growing up, enid books were always being reissued because the classics everybody loved them, but they were constantly being rewritten. editors in of the early famous five books. there's a lot of references to punishment and children being hurt which are taken out in later editions . so taken out in later editions. so it is absolutely conventional, traditional, normal for books to be updated, particularly children's books because children's books because children don't have much context. they can't see the bigger and all children who read have the kind of parents who can sit down and talk to them about how things change. some of the in the arrangement some of the early books like early blyton books is like

actively racist. of actively racist. the kind of thing you get arrested thing you would get arrested for saying, yeah, those things had to come out. and you know what? i at a grandparents through i was at a grandparents through the and i came across enid the day and i came across enid blyton's , the naughtiest little blyton's, the naughtiest little children's book, and it basically involved beating up the children with wooden spoon. and there something it was genuinely shocking and i read it to my children and roared with laughter about the fact that this used to be deemed acceptable. now roald dahl actually that and i some of these because it's not about actually you know assaulting children with a frying pan because they stole some sweets out of a jar it's about sense activities around language which might upset someone so augustus gloop is no longer fat he is enormous . so there gloop is no longer fat he is enormous. so there is a slight why rebecca why have why they made those specific changes . so

made those specific changes. so i think the difficulty , roald i think the difficulty, roald dahlis i think the difficulty, roald dahl is that he was writing at a different time and he does have a tendency to conflate somebodies looks with whether they're a good or bad person. there's a whole thing in the twits about how if you're a nice person, you'll look pretty. and if you're naughty person, you if you're a naughty person, you look that's a very look ugly. that's not a very modern sentiment. and again, as look ugly. that's not a very mparent,entiment. and again, as look ugly. that's not a very mparent, litiment. and again, as look ugly. that's not a very mparent, i read nt. and again, as look ugly. that's not a very mparent, i read that.nd again, as look ugly. that's not a very mparent, i read that withgain, as look ugly. that's not a very mparent, i read that with my, as a parent, i read that with my child be like, i'm not child and i'd be like, i'm not sure think that's true sure we think that's true anymore. of lovely people anymore. lots of lovely people be ugly, but that's what i want a being involved and a parent being involved and being the conversation being part of the conversation and able to and not every parent is able to do or willing to that. do that or willing to do that. i think the problem with charlie in the chocolate factory is that full negative full of quite negative archetypes. and once you pull up one make augustus one thread, so you make augustus not you then have not fat anymore, you then have to okay, the to say. okay, well, the oompa—loompas are effectively. so that thread so then we put it that thread and actually veruca salt, a and then actually veruca salt, a very stereotype young very sexy stereotype of young women at that point. and then the whole story becomes unravelled. ideal unravelled. so in an ideal world, have to play world, you wouldn't have to play with things you would with those things you would probably put something, some book questions children book club questions for children to how attitudes have

to discuss how attitudes have changed. but i think in this issue, in this instance, they were too cautious and they went too far with the edits. and that's people have noticed. that's why people have noticed. right. bring my right. okay let me just bring my guests just for a moment as guests in just for a moment as well. toby, what do you make of this? because when rebecca's they're she's they're talking as she she's a successful novelist, talking these thinking these characters, i'm thinking it's opposed to it's caricature as opposed to character. and there is a difference . yes. and think difference. yes. and i think part of humour upon these part of the humour upon these vivid physical descriptions of the characters and it isn't only things like augustus gloop being described as fat that have been there were two tractors i think that appear these menacing tractors that appear towards the end of the fantastic mr. fox and in book they're described as in the book they're described as black the word black tractors with the word black tractors with the word black been removed as though just using the word black is somehow racist or is going to trigger children. it's completely absurd . i'm really completely absurd. i'm really pleased that the queen consort has and defended has come out and defended righteous of expression at the free speech we've just free speech union. we've just set a writers advisory set up a writers advisory council to be an council. we want to be an alternative to the society of authors, is the righteous

authors, which is the righteous trade they trade union, because they haven't to stick up haven't done enough to stick up for whose of for authors whose freedom of expression is under assault, particularly authors particularly feminist authors like rowling . and we're like j.k. rowling. and we're setting up an alternative . and setting up an alternative. and it's been very successful. we've had join now , had over 300 writers join now, but we will stand up to defend writers freedom of expression, sensitivity . readers are censors sensitivity. readers are censors by, another name and the number of authors we deal with who get into a appalling, long, drawn out, stressful trying to defend the integrity of their manuscripts from these ghastly club fists did sensitivity readers who just want to take a scalpel to their most precious work. rebecca do you do you think that sensitivity reader has has a role in the 21st century that's something we should have shouldn't the writer themselves already just kind of exercise their own free will about sensitivity ? i found it about sensitivity? i found it very helpful to have a sensitivity reader because . it sensitivity reader because. it enabled me to be as outlandish as i wanted to be and then be able to write back. and it's

just another form of editing and writing, good writing editing in the american process is not quite the right word, but in the american version of one of my books, i had a sort of flippant nafive books, i had a sort of flippant native american joke a native american joke to a british audience, was very comfortable, was comfortable, and nobody was bothered sensitivity bothered about the sensitivity you american you read. if the american publication is quite publication said this is quite offensive, you it? and i was offensive, do you it? and i was like, actually, it doesn't any purpose going to purpose it's probably going to some because think there's some because i think there's a lot be said about. not being lot to be said about. not being precious about your own writing. and the end the day, all and at the end of the day, all i'm doing is trying to write nice that make people nice books that make people happy them solidarity. nice books that make people htbeach. them solidarity. nice books that make people htbeach. i'm them solidarity. nice books that make people htbeach. i'm nothem solidarity. nice books that make people htbeach. i'm not changing arity. nice books that make people htbeach. i'm not changing the '. a beach. i'm not changing the world here i think it could world here and i think it could be bit indulge to be be a little bit indulge to be like i have the most job in the world just sit my house world i just sit in my house this books and i'm a victim. i'm certainly not. we've got certainly not. but we've got three you've had three three children. you've had three shows, some middle ages now, a group of grown up, wrote our books, a your books, played a role in your life your kids huge, huge. life with your kids huge, huge. and know. want to say and you know. what i want to say is when we go to bury classical books, they so much wisdom in it as this idea about as well. and this idea about character to have these characters and that good

characters and ones that good and my grandparents and bad. i mean my grandparents used teach that people that used to teach that people that were not good would, usually that appear the it that would appear on the way it would speak and behaviour not so actually personal take actually my personal take on this to be balanced, this is we need to be balanced, just have a balanced approach to. okay. right. you all, to. okay. right. thank you all, rebecca. have to goodbye rebecca. we have to say goodbye to yourself to to you because of yourself to your dan who's your mate dan watson, who's lovely you . dan, what lovely to see you. dan, what have you got coming up tonight? hello, are you . well, hello, dave, how are you. well, actually, we are up close and personal jacob rees—mogg tonight . he is giving his most interview ever at home. he's going to show us and this is, of course, because week you're not going to do double duty any more , baby. you're going to be on it in the mornings. and jacob rees—mogg is going to be here at 8:00 from monday nights . but i 8:00 from monday nights. but i thought it was important, actually, before he starts the show to out about the man show to find out about the man behind political caricature behind the political caricature . do you know what i mean? so i'm asking about marriage i'm asking about his marriage and family and his fortune and his family and his fortune and his family and his fortune and to be prime

and whether he still to be prime minister one day. and i hope you've asked him if changed a ”appy you've asked him if changed a nappy yet, because a lot women watching that stayed our head when many kids when he's got that many kids anyways trivial he's going to be fabulous monday fabulous gb news on monday night. absolutely sure as night. i am absolutely sure as you will be next on wasn't right i done for tonight. will be i am done for tonight. i will be back on monday morning with . a back on monday morning with. a bev turner today have a great week. loads most coming gb news and thank you to my guests .

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