evening at 6:00. this is gb views on tv online. and on digital radio. i'm in for michel. so what's on the menu? well, today marks one year to the day that vladimir putin decided just don't say completely unprovoked war, which he spun to his people as a special operation, while russians celebrated the defenders of the fatherland . on defenders of the fatherland. on thursday, had a pop concert . thursday, i had a pop concert. on the wednesday, the nightmare for the ukrainian people continues with the assistance of nato countries on nato and countries on the border. china has stepped in border. now china has stepped in with a 12 point plan which has refused to blame russia. it's

called for an end the conflict and expressed opposition to the use of nuclear weapons. so why are right to continue helping are we right to continue helping ukraine well, we're ukraine in this way? well, we're all suffering lots of problems here this country, especially here in this country, especially cost of living. then next, our analysis by the trade union. congress claims that the gender pay gap, congress claims that the gender pay gap, that is the difference in the amount men are paid to women is actually 15. women is actually just under 15. so basically, women effectively work two months of the year for free when compared to men and other parts of the country. it's actually even worse. so should we. perhaps go the way of sweden, finland norway and sweden, finland and norway and pubush sweden, finland and norway and publish income? publish everyone's income? employers are failing to pick up is too big. would you be happy to close the gender pay gap in this then i'll be asking this way? then i'll be asking that doctors to go on that the doctors right to go on strike. the 13th, 14th and 15th b ides of march. all b where the ides of march. all the dates they want to pay the dates now they want to pay rise make up for the 15 years rise to make up for the 15 years of inflation. despite receiving a cumulative 8.2% rise since 2019 to 6020, more than most , 2019 to 6020, more than most, and with a starting salary of

around about 29 k. are they right to ask for more? is this just plain greedy and we move onto the term farm. and when the fishermen farm and it's been declared sexist and the censorship of roald dahl was the queen consort, was she right to step in and urge all of us to resist kerbs on freedom of expression? all that to come tonight on dewbs& co with me now. but first, let's get the latest news headlines . now. latest news headlines. now. thank you . good evening. the top thank you. good evening. the top stories on gb news tonight. a minute's silence has been held across the uk today , marking one across the uk today, marking one year since the start of the russian invasion of . russian invasion of. ukraine we . well, people stood across we. well, people stood across the uk in silence and then

listened to the ukrainian national anthem . downing street. national anthem. downing street. the prime minister was she sunak standing with ukraine's ambassador to the uk, reflecting on the country's losses. and today britain has decided to impose a raft of new sanctions , impose a raft of new sanctions, including an export ban on every piece of equipment that russia uses on the battlefield . and uses on the battlefield. and president putin's closest allies have also been targeted. among them, his former chief of security and the chief executive of nord stream 2. he . and in of nord stream 2. he. and in kyiv, the capital of ukraine, president volodymyr zelenskyy he attended a ceremony with families of soldiers killed in the conflict . he described the the conflict. he described the last 12 months as a year of pain and sorrow, but also a faith and unity . well, the former unity. well, the former ukrainian president, petro poroshenko , spoke to gb news poroshenko, spoke to gb news earlier and he talked of the

human losses in russia's war. can't imagine that ukraine lost dozens and dozens of thousands of the innocent civilians on bucha to mariupol. from there made it to their criminal future . but together , in imagine that . but together, in imagine that a million ukrainians leave ukraine and go abroad. two and a half million are pregnant . half million are pregnant. children go to the school abroad because of your solidarity. but this is the humanitarian disaster . well, world leaders disaster. well, world leaders have come together today to ramp up sanctions against russia in a show of what they're calling unwavering support for ukraine. the g7 group who've met virtually today said it's taking steps now , further steps that is steps now, further steps that is related to russia's economy to undermined its capacity to wage its illegal aggression. it's calling on third parties that evade its measures to stop meteor really supporting president putin's war or face

severe cost . meanwhile poland severe cost. meanwhile poland has delivered its first leopard 2 tanks to ukraine and says it's ready to supply more. and quickly, the polish prime minister matteo. more of jet ski also says the country will train ukrainians on f—16 fighter jets . and sweden, too, is expected to deliver ten of the tanks as well as antiaircraft systems . well as antiaircraft systems. now, in other news today, police in northern ireland say they are treating the shooting of an officer in omagh in county tyrone as terrorist related with the terror group the new ira their chief line of inquiry. stormont says it's united in standing with the psni after wednesday's shooting. the man who was shot, detective chief inspector john caldwell, who was shot, detective chief inspectorjohn caldwell, remains inspector john caldwell, remains in a critical but stable condition in hospital after being shot by two masked gunmen at a sports centre. his injuries are said to be life changing and are said to be life changing and a fourth man has been arrested in connection with his attempted

murder. sinn fein's vice president, michelle o'neill, said today it was an attack on the entire community. i think it's important that we continue to send a united message to wider society. we this year celebrate 25 years of our good friday agreement and so much that's been achieved over those past 25 years. our society has been completely transformed and we're not going to allow anybody to reverse any of that progress that's made. so that's that's been made. so that's why it's very that we do it's very important that we do put today. this an put across today. this is an attack on the community. this is an attack on all of us. and this is attack that none us is an attack that none of us will tolerate. junior will ever tolerate. junior doctors are to stage three days of strike action next month. the british medical association has announced a walk off the job from the 13th of march. nearly 37,000 bma members voted in favour of industrial action. that's the largest ever turnout for a ballot of doctors . and it for a ballot of doctors. and it follows a series of strikes by nurses and ambulance workers in.

in scotland, three candidates are now running to become the next snp leader , humza yousaf. next snp leader, humza yousaf. kate forbes and ash regan all secured enough votes to advance to the next round of the leadership contest. they've managed to secure the backing of at least 100 members from a minimum of 20 local branches. a penod minimum of 20 local branches. a period of campaigning now gets underway, with the winner announced on the 27th of march . announced on the 27th of march. and lastly, the publishing house puffin uk has announced that roald dahl's classic collection will still be printed using the author's original descriptions and expressions. it follows criticism of the recent editing of his work to remove potential offensive language . it's offensive language. it's understood puffin uk will continue with the publication of amended texts as well as continuing to release the original versions. continuing to release the original versions . camilla, the original versions. camilla, the queen consort , yesterday urged queen consort, yesterday urged authors to resist kerbs on their

freedom of expression . what's freedom of expression. what's your latest news? i'm back in and i see them . and i see them. welcome back to jeeves and k. with me . not a query. it's just with me. not a query. it's just on 8 minutes after 6:00. now with me till seven, my panel. charlotte pickles. she's the director of reform think tank and former adviser and duncan—smith and paul embery is an author, trade unionist and somewhere someone we're proud to call a fireman. do you mind, paul ? well, i call a fireman. do you mind, paul? well, i think we'll get on that. paul? well, i think we'll get on that . right well, also, i want that. right well, also, i want to hear your thoughts as if you can get in touch in the usual way. it's gb views at gbnews.uk . or why not tweet me at news. now, our first story, of course, today is the one year old, an anniversary that almost sounds like a celebration of sorts, which it isn't. but it marks one year ago that ukrainian people woke up to missiles raining down

on their cities and russian troops and tanks pouring across their borders . now, troops and tanks pouring across their borders. now, amid official that their official predictions that their forces would crumble in days. soldiers and civilian militias alike picked up their weapons and managed not only to halt, but in some cases pushed back the russian invaders. now, they were bolstered by western weapons sport. the weapons and the sport. the ukrainians dog defence of their country continues . but how much country continues. but how much more support should we continue to give? charlotte how much is enough? we're giving more than any other countries. obviously not america, but they're a lot bigger than us. i think it's two point something 6 billion. i think. should give as think. i think we should give as much it takes. know, this much as it takes. you know, this was as you introduced the start the top of the hour. this was an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation . and if you sovereign nation. and if you believe in self—determining and if you believe in sovereignty , if you believe in sovereignty, then you have to stand shoulder to shoulder with ukraine. and whether that's providing humanitarian support, whether it's providing , obviously, the it's providing, obviously, the pubuc it's providing, obviously, the

public accommodation at the moment is jets, you know, tanks , missile systems. of course , we , missile systems. of course, we should do this because if we don't and if we allow russia to continue to, which is a much larger country with far more people, they can just keep, you know, pushing into ukraine then what is the message we're sending that actually the world accepts that it's okay for rogue nafion accepts that it's okay for rogue nation to suddenly decide they'd like to annexe another ? i mean, like to annexe another? i mean, some would argue that. i mean, i say it's unprovoked. some would argue that it was provoked because apparently nature encroached on russia's borders, which apparently to which we apparently promised to not do. but then if you look at the budapest which the budapest memorandum, which said would support said that russia would support ukraine and told to disarm ukraine and told it to disarm and of its and lose its get rid of its nuclear weapons, i really nuclear weapons, i don't really think an think that's much of an argument. paul, what do you think? me we think? what concerns me is we often particularly often hear today, particularly from leaders in the west, the argument for more war. i'm not heanng argument for more war. i'm not hearing a lot of people with influence making the case for peace and that really concerns

me . i mean , i think we're peace and that really concerns me. i mean , i think we're in me. i mean, i think we're in dangerous territory , actually, dangerous territory, actually, and i think some people probably don't realise how dangerous it was . we've got this habit of was. we've got this habit of escalating beyond our control almost before we look round and realise that you only have to look back in history. look at the first world war, for example . what happened in sarajevo? sarajevo all of sarajevo in 1914, all of a sudden it's in the box and bang, you've got a major conflagration across across the whole of europe. and when you've got a situation where who is situation where putin, who is a complete tyrant, there's no question that . but he question about that. but he gives a speech a couple of days ago about withdrawing gives a speech a couple of days ago from about withdrawing gives a speech a couple of days ago from about witrtreatylg gives a speech a couple of days ago from about witrtreaty and russia from a nuclear treaty and almost at the same time , you've almost at the same time, you've got biden standing in poland, the former eastern bloc country , the sabre rattling , talking up , the sabre rattling, talking up the case for war. then it strikes me that actually you're in a pretty serious situation and i think strike striking actually the only country really with influence that has actually laid down a proposal for peace is china .

laid down a proposal for peace is china. now, i've laid down a proposal for peace is china . now, i've got no i've is china. now, i've got no i've got no , no. i've got no got no, no. i've got no particular love whatsoever for the chinese regime. but you know, they've made this 12 point plan and people can say it's good, bad, indifferent or whatever, but at least they're making an effort to say, look, how can we bring about a ceasefire? can we the ceasefire? how can we bring the two together and that two sides together and that might possible. might might not be possible. it might be putin or zelenskyy or be that putin or zelenskyy or whoever says no, we're not interested that. interested in that. what concerns is nobody else concerns me is that nobody else seems to trying. do you think seems to be trying. do you think do you think maybe comes from do you think it maybe comes from a of vladimir a distrust of vladimir putin because he's talked about ceasefires won't ceasefires and they won't ceasefires and they won't ceasefire ukrainians got ceasefire and ukrainians got killed in the so—called ceasefires. do you remember those at the beginning when they were supposed to be making peaceful people peaceful passages where people could the could pass from one place to the other safety civilians? and other in safety civilians? and you give two hoots you didn't really give two hoots about so do you think about that. so do you think that, you know, china, as you said, been would say said, have been very i would say good this and i suspected as good in this and i suspected as much would be the case much that that would be the case because couple of because there was a couple of things they've they've things that they've they've actually refused to blame russia. they've actually you know, prepared to know, they're not prepared to back they're back russia. they're not prepared blame them either

prepared to blame them either and not prevent. and i, by the way i think you can way, i don't think you can necessarily if you're going to intervene in a serious conflict as a nation and put them peace proposals, then, frankly , you proposals, then, frankly, you can't start apportioning blame when you make that announcement , because if you do, then the peace proposals are dead in the water. you know, if they were to attack russia at the same time as can we bring peace as saying can we bring peace then, would be then, then it would be pointless. seems be pointless. seems to be supporting well and supporting russia as well and it's to that you it's ludicrous to say that you can't russia . russia can't blame russia. russia literally invade you. did a sovereign nation . there is no sovereign nation. there is no two ways about that. and you know, if the americans intelligence at the moment is correct , there is a strong correct, there is a strong suggestion that china are about to provide weapons to russia. but that's not what they've said. no, that's not what they've even said. we could have a discussion about whether we trust china. right. and they're very, very long history of saying things and then doing things that are very, very different. china is in china's interest to back russia because

geopolitics demands it . can i geopolitics demands it. can i can i just dump you on that? because i don't know whether it is, because if you think about it, china is literally the global supplier of the world. china makes a lot of money out of selling us things. it of selling us things. so it doesn't want to be doesn't really want to be relying one source. and relying on just one source. and russia if that russia doesn't want to if that goes way, then we might end goes that way, then we might end up isolating china as well. so china looking at the bigger china is looking at the bigger picture. it support picture. why would it support russia? clearly russia? it's quite clearly said that don't that actually we don't want nuclear we want nuclear weapons. we don't want people don't want a people to we don't want a nuclear conflict. but because i think they are wise enough to see nobody went. actually, see that nobody went. actually, when look 12 point when you look at the 12 point proposal they made, i think proposal that they made, i think there's that any there's very little that any reasonable person disagree reasonable person could disagree with. say it's with. now, you might say it's pie the sky. might say pie in the sky. you might say putin be interested and putin won't be interested and that's but what would that's fine, but what i would say least the chinese say is at least the chinese government, all very, government, for all its very, very faults, kind of very many faults, is kind of grasping the nets and saying, look, how can we bring about a ceasefire? can we bring ceasefire? how can we bring about settlement? about a negotiated settlement? and me that and it just seems to me that whenever there's another conflict the world conflict elsewhere in the world or conflict in

or a serious conflict in the west, america, if west, britain and america, if they're directly involved they're not directly involved and they're very quick to say, look, need to get involved to look, we need to get involved to bnng look, we need to get involved to bring ceasefire, if bring about a ceasefire, see if we peace with we can negotiate a peace with the a peaceful the broker, a peaceful settlement, all well good. settlement, all well and good. however, this conflict, it however, with this conflict, it just seems that there are so few voices doing and that voices doing that and that concerns course, concerns me. and of course, china, a degree is going to china, to a degree is going to act geopolitical act in its own geopolitical interests, just, frankly , as interests, just, frankly, as we're in our geopolitical we're acting in our geopolitical interests backing to interests in backing ukraine to the hilt , as interests in backing ukraine to the hilt, as america . but the hilt, as is america. but sooner or later, i think we've got to realise that this war is not necessarily going to end it going to end any time soon. i don't think ukraine is going to be beaten any time soon. neither is russia. we run the risk is russia. so we run the risk unless there are people bringing about peaceful about proposals for a peaceful settlement, the of settlement, we run the risk of this on months and this dragging on for months and years more people years and thousands more people frustrated under your idea. and i want i mean, obviously, i don't want to slaughtered. to see ukrainians slaughtered. i don't see the war going don't want to see the war going on. i want it to end. the on. i want it to end. then the idea that should carry on and idea that we should carry on and carry on and carry on doesn't end.soif carry on and carry on doesn't end. so if another nation invaded britain, would we be sitting here having that

conversation saying, conversation and saying, actually, know what? yeah, actually, you know what? yeah, obviously britain was the let's stick to, you know, because i don't you can know. don't think you can know. i think you should. because actually argument here is actually the argument here is that was an independent that this was an independent country that was living perfectly peacefully as you said, respecting the agreement that had been made with russia . that had been made with russia. actually, in terms of whether other nations have tried to avert war, come to some type of settlement. i'm sure we all remember the various leaders of the different european countries traipsing over to russia, trying to negotiate, trying to get avoid the invasion . but avoid the invasion. but ultimately, putin took the decision to invade a country . decision to invade a country. and let's be clear about the type of war we're talking about as well, using rape, using mass murder, using torture , you know, murder, using torture, you know, deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure, which is illegal in war. these

are war crimes, the whole thing. and yet we are sitting here saying maybe we can come to a negotiation with the only negotiated only negotiated, quote, peace here is either giving russia part of ukraine or somehow . do we know that, somehow. do we know that, though, charlie? because i mean, the truth is, i don't think we've really tried anything else. i mean, if you look at the minsk accords, for example, which some years ago were designed to bring about, you know, between know, a lasting peace between ukraine on the one ukraine and russia, on the one hand, guaranteeing the territorial sovereignty of ukraine. but on the side , at the ukraine. but on the side, at the same time, recognising that there needs to be some degree of autonomy for the ethnic russians in donbas region, in the in the donbas region, in the east . if we in the donbas region, in the east. if we were to make every effort, to train every sinew as an international community, to try to resurrect those accords , try to resurrect those accords, for example, then it may well be that they can form the basis of a negotiated settlement , and it a negotiated settlement, and it may be a long, complex procedure. some people said before there was the good friday agreement in northern ireland in

1998 or whenever it was, that will never be achieved. you've got two warring communities. it will never be achieved. but i think you apply yourself as think if you apply yourself as an international community, you don't happen . don't know what might happen. now. be that putin now. it may well be that putin doesn't grasp that nettle and says no, in for the says no, i'm in this for the long haul. this is all war, long haul. this is all out war, in which fine, you know. in which case fine, you know. but you then have to you didn't have to challenge any annexation of another the of it, of another nation, the right. so was a peace right. so it was a peace agreement, but actually you still ireland and northern still have ireland and northern ireland. so what we had in 2014 was an annexe ation of another part of it. no. i mean in a democratic way, not by self—determination, but republicans in northern ireland, i would say the same thing, that northern ireland annexed, northern ireland was annexed, but have to but they still have similar to say, the it is a totally say, the base. it is a totally different situation. have different situation. so we have to take each one individual and what to. the what are we going to. the earlier mentioned that you know imagine that you're the one in. i that people i actually think that people make when they make better decisions when they don't the ones don't imagine they're the ones in for us in there. so it's better for us to not be there because it's like giving great advice when you're the one involved. so

you're not the one involved. so that's saying as an that's why i'm saying that as an overseer, actually coming overseer, china actually coming up ideas. and up with some good ideas. and i would really like to see this will stop and i think that actually giving more and more weapons, to somehow weapons, we have to somehow protect the ukrainians. but i'm just that ends just not seeing that that ends in a peaceful manner and too many people and look, many people will die and look, you we've already seen you know, we've already seen tens thousands of tens and tens of thousands of civilians die in this war. and that's before you even think about the war about getting about the war is about getting about the war is about getting about 200,000 russians, many of whom have wanted to be whom won't have wanted to be part an invasion. and going part of an invasion. and going in being part of that war. so of course, we don't want to see more death. of course we don't. but i really don't think it's our place to stand back and say, but actually, do you know what ukraine we're going therefore ukraine we're going to therefore tell what you should know? tell you what you should know? i'm that. i think i'm not saying that. i think that paul saying, we need that as paul is saying, we need the needs get together the world needs to get together and we're going to and say, look, we're going to stop is very clear. they stop this is very clear. they don't don't. they yeah, don't they don't. they yeah, i think can. i think you can think you can. i think you can i think you can. i think you can i think you can take both positions without necessarily being i on being inconsistent. i think on the one can say, look, the one hand you can say, look, putin's invasion, invasion was

an violation of an absolute violation of international law, completely indefensible , as is any invasion indefensible, as is any invasion of a sovereign territory, unless you yourself are somehow being threatened. that as a result threatened. and that as a result of that, you've got to defend ukraine's territorial sovereignty and show them solidarity . but at the same sovereignty and show them solidarity. but at the same time is making the case for the defence of ukraine. you've got to be having one on. look how we're going to bring about a lasting settlement to this situation. you need peace brokers in that situation and it just seems to me we just don't have any in the international community willing broker that community willing to broker that peace. i think that's really peace. and i think that's really worrying. well, let's have a look what everyone's been look at what everyone's been saying, mark made saying, because mark made a comment. going to you, comment. what's going to you, paul comment. what's going to you, paul, she paul paul, that she said paul christie made reference to world war ignored ii, war i but ignored world war ii, where on our hands and where we sat on our hands and appeased still appeased hitler. a million still died. we need to do whatever is necessary to defeat russia and put in box. the put putin back in his box. the alternative would definitely be world three. that's we're world war three. that's if we're not it, says. i'm not already in it, mel says. i'm a working person and i would want they give want to help ukraine. they give money on benefits. our

money to people on benefits. our country needs an overhaul. get people doing work for people doing voluntary work for their benefits. yeah, i hate you. i wouldn't disagree with that. let's. says we must that. let's. he says we must continue supply ukraine for continue to supply ukraine for as long as they need us. the ukrainian are fighting ukrainian military are fighting first. anyone the first. all anyone thinks the russian stop that russian ban would stop that ukraine then they're mad. history says otherwise. yeah, very says the very true. wayne says the west has meddling in ukraine for has been meddling in ukraine for the last 20 years and we're and are willing to fight until the last ukrainian has died. all this need happen . all this didn't need to happen. all are kind of within, are guilty. i'm kind of within, i think, to open. i think he's got to do it. my point is, it's been a chronic lack of historical perspective in much of the debate about ukraine. as i said before, you can you can on the one hand say, look, it's completely wrong what putin did. it's violate nation of it's a violate nation of international at international law. but at the same time, think it's same time, i think it's important to have a historical perspective. if this war didn't actually if actually start a year ago, if we're honest about it, if we're honest this in honest about it, this war, in effect, started several years ago. talk about the ago. you can talk about the overthrow of the yanukovich government, overthrow of the yanukovich gov west ant, overthrow of the yanukovich gov west supported overthrow of the yanukovich govwest supported and stuff

the west supported and stuff like that. but we don't seem to be looking at the history of it. well, i as we often meddle well, i mean, as we often meddle in things and then it sort of comes back bite but on comes back to bite us. but on this was definitely this one, it was definitely invasion by putin and it really needs to stop. coming up, the trade congress that trade union, congress says that we effectively to we need effectively work to balance is due a balance the free is due to a gender pay gap. do the gender pay gap. but do the numbers stack up .

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gb news, britain's news. channel it is fast approaching 25 minutes after 6:00. this is a good use. where on tv? online and on digital radio. i'm not a quitter. i'm in for michelle. this is dewbs& co with me till seven. my panel, charlotte pickles. she's the director of reform think tank and a former adviser duncan and paul adviser to duncan smith and paul embery . he's adviser to duncan smith and paul embery. he's an author, trade unionist and a simon. he's apparently shadow its apparently a shadow of its former what former self. that's what somebody said . so, yeah, yeah. somebody said. so, yeah, yeah. i've idea what he's i've got no idea what he's referring i thought was referring to. i thought i was looking svelte, black and fit. but there you go. it's the fear. and haggard. apparently and it is haggard. apparently well, see what well, let's see what you've into, you've thinking. into, what you've been thinking. is it talking about the war in ukraine? you know, it's a ukraine? as you know, it's a year it began and not year on since it began and not much happened. still much has happened. it's still there, fighting. so you're there, still fighting. so you're thoughts we thoughts on this, whether we need carry on doing what need to carry on doing what we're doing, taxes, peace talks with lying, deceitful putin, no chance. says they have chance. everybody says they have encroached on borders. encroached on russian borders. just if the warsaw pact just imagine if the warsaw pact had moved canada and mexico. had moved to canada and mexico. wake says . i'm awake. wake up, he says. i'm awake. i know what the point is. could we

carry on like this? carroll says. okay for sadat to say we give as much as we can, but we cannot afford to keep giving. we are fuelling the war. it will be another afghanistan or vietnam. it's war. and derek it's a proxy war. and derek says, no . he says no one wants says, no. he says no one wants to say, don't , says no to say, don't, says no provocation poked the bear with a stick from 1991, then went for the cattle prod in 2014. but what that means, thank you very much. i know i sort of do. is the russian bear. yeah. we'll keep your thoughts coming. it's always good that gb views at gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. well, moving on this news. well, moving on to this now, union congress now, the trade union congress says are essentially says that women are essentially working for two months working for free for two months of the year because average, of the year because on average, they're almost 15% less they're paid almost 15% less than now the analysis than men. now the analysis analysis shows that older women numbers and women in south—east of england, experian , it's the of england, experian, it's the widest pay gap within their male counterparts. paul so we just pubush counterparts. paul so we just publish everybody's salary like they do in sweden and just be done with this. i'm not sure that's necessary and i'm not sure i support it. and

sure i would support it. and i guess it's a trade unionist that should shouting about the should be shouting about the gender pay gap from from the roots. to say , i roots. but i have to say, i think it's largely meaningless because i don't think it really tells us what it is that we're looking for. what it tells us is the difference in average earnings across the country between men and women . but it between men and women. but it doesn't tell us it doesn't factor in the reasons why there is that distinction. you know, the fact that women are doing certain jobs. why are they doing particular jobs? why are they sometimes doing particular jobs that are less in terms of salary than than the jobs that men do? is there an issue there about more women working part time ? is more women working part time? is it a work life balance thing? where they where they can only work part time? what are some of the more compared like for like so some. but even then there was a gap. but i mean, i think there are so many variables that unless you really get into the nitty gritty of it, i don't think it can really tell you what it is that you need to

know. i mean, but you publish know. i mean, but as you publish them. okay, that's them. right. okay, that's fair enough. publish enough. if you publish them. i would if i'm doing the would know if i'm doing the exact job as somebody else exact same job as somebody else i could look at some bloke who's doing exact job as me. doing the exact same job as me. i could how is being i could see how much is being paid, work out whether or paid, not work out whether or not being more. and it not he's being paid more. and it was. i'd start to question that. i think that's unlikely in any your figure salary. your seven figure salary. there's way man is going to there's no way a man is going to be keeping with just be keeping up with you. just tell that's why never tell you. that's why i never married not enough married anybody. not have enough of about you, of my stuff. what about you, charlotte? i mean, i agree with. with problem with with paul that the problem with this of analysis is that it this sort of analysis is that it is totally meaningless. so you're average pay you're taking the average pay for the average pay for for men and the average pay for women. comparing like women. you're not comparing like for actually, you for like. and actually, if you do for like , you do compare like for like, you don't get much of a pay gap, but also it distracts from the real issues. we should be talking about. so whilst that may not really be much of a pay gap, there is certainly an earnings gap. and by that i mean the points that paul has made. so actually we all know there were there are far more men in senior

leadership and management roles than women. so that skews the numbers and the lots of reasons we should be looking as to why that's the case. so why should it be that if a woman has had to take time out chosen to take take time out or chosen to take time out to have a child that then their earnings are impacted then? what about what about ? so then? what about what about? so yeah, there are variables and thatis yeah, there are variables and that is true this study. you that is true in this study. you may not take into consideration some of those variables, but there be many there will also be many instances men and women instances where men and women are thing are doing exactly the same thing in getting paid more, in the men's, getting paid more, which one of things that which is one of the things that this point out. would you be this did point out. would you be happy if perhaps everybody had their that could their salary so that you could find was find out what anyone was earning? that's i think earning? that's what i think that would also be meaningful. so look it same, so let's look it the same, exactly same job, right? exactly the same job, right? paul than paul paul paid more than you and paul is better the job than i am. is better at the job than i am. that's a reasonable judgement if is better at the job than i am. tbelieve'easonable judgement if is better at the job than i am. tbelieve in sonable judgement if is better at the job than i am. tbelieve in performanceement if is better at the job than i am. tbelieve in performance based. f i believe in performance based. but don't believe that just but i don't believe that just because we the same thing, we because we do the same thing, we should same. but should be paid the same. but actually what this is saying is potentially, think potentially, you know, i think it skewed on many. it it can be skewed on many. it does with that. but does not agree with that. but what is actually saying is if

what it is actually saying is if almost didn't exact same thing as and what if you're better as you and what if you're better than paul's being paid than paul? paul's being paid more yeah. mean, you more than you. yeah. i mean, you could actually check the salary of you could phone up the of paul. you could phone up the tax office say, i want to tax office and say, i want to check out paul. and how much is he getting? and sweden, if he getting? and in sweden, if the gap is too big, the the pay gap is too big, the companies can fined. if that companies can be fined. if that were here, that would close the gap. i mean, i'm certainly a supporter equal pay supporter of equal pay legislation. think legislation. and i think if you which have. exactly. which we have. yeah, exactly. let's it's illegal to let's be clear. it's illegal to do that and that wonderful. you don't know then you can't tell that film made that wonderful film made in dagenham, the women machinists at in at the ford motor plant in dagenham, the sixties, dagenham, back in the sixties, who brilliantly. who campaigned brilliantly. i grew up in shadow of that grew up in the shadow of that ford way. ford motor plant, by the way. they campaigned in they campaigned brilliantly in order equal pay order to secure that equal pay legislation and proper order to secure that equal pay legisifition and proper order to secure that equal pay legisif you and proper order to secure that equal pay legisif you are and proper order to secure that equal pay legisif you are doing and proper order to secure that equal pay legisif you are doing the proper order to secure that equal pay legisif you are doing the same r that if you are doing the same job and doing it as well as somebody else and there's no need there's no element of need to there's no element of performance you performance related pay, and you are simply because of are paid less simply because of your biological sex. that's indefensible. and think indefensible. and i think the law intervene in law needs to intervene in situation. the thing is, situation. and the thing is, many you sign many contracts you sign unilaterally your

unilaterally tell people your your not supposed unilaterally tell people your yo tell not supposed unilaterally tell people your yo tell people. not supposed unilaterally tell people your yo tell people. but not supposed unilaterally tell people your yo tell people. but noitsupposed unilaterally tell people your yo tell people. but noit was osed to tell people. but if it was a thing that they actually you could actually find don't could actually find out, don't you would close you think that would close pretty fast, especially pretty super fast, especially the would be the companies would also be fined? that was, isn't fined? i think that was, isn't it? there's confidentiality it? there's a confidentiality element well. element there as well. they don't worried about don't they're not worried about that. you can call it. you can find the person's i think find out the person's i think the income something something. i i'm i i mean, i'm not i'm not sure i would that. mean, would support that. i mean, instinctively, think if you instinctively, i think if you all sign in an employment contract with particular contract with a particular salary, there's salary, then unless there's good reason, you're reason, for example, you're working sector, working in the public sector, you're public leader or you're a senior public leader or something charity boss something or a charity boss where it's important to disclose that. i necessarily say that. i wouldn't necessarily say in circumstances , every time in all circumstances, every time it necessary to it would be necessary to disclose it. i think as long as you have a robust equal pay legislation, proper legislation, you have proper enforcement. we have around, we have all that. and it's been then and then i you have stronger trade unions because you know. no, not. do you know that trade you know best that trade you know the best the institution in this country historically driving up historically for driving up people's wages and bringing about pay is not employment about fair pay is not employment organisations, it's not governments, it's trade union.

that's what the unions in the future would be earning fortunes. joining us trade unions are paralysed pretty much the economy enforced the government's and actually government's hand and actually in all the in this case, with all the strikes trying get strikes actually trying to get rid government, which is rid of the government, which is what very clearly. no, what they said very clearly. no, they very clearly. they did very, very clearly. marx to said that from the marx was to said that from the peaks unit union. he said, yes, that was is go and the strikes be strikes are taking be the strikes that are taking place at the moment involving hundreds of thousands, millions of activists, of trade union activists, they haven't and in fact, haven't woken up. and in fact, strike because they want strike action because they want to the tories to get rid of the tories regardless what their union regardless of what their union leaders they've done leaders might think they've done it think the it because they think the economy fundamental, be economy is fundamental, be unfair i don't think unfair and that i don't think people would agree when they see a 65 grand salary from a railway driver. don't think so. but driver. i don't think so. but let's guys are let's see what you guys are saying regard to this saying with regard to this gender gap. simon says, we gender pay gap. simon says, we all the gender gap is a all know the gender pay gap is a lie. illegal to pay a man lie. it's illegal to pay a man more than a woman for the same jobs with same rules, terms and conditions has been since conditions and has been since the well, that's not. the seventies. well, that's not. well, they're saying that that that a gender pay.

that there is a gender pay. yeah. what they've yeah. that's what they've said with says with their research. pete says you talk about the vast you never talk about the vast number jobs where women get number of jobs where women get paid men. in the paid more than men. in the media's eyes, they not exist. media's eyes, they do not exist. well, that's point with my well, that's the point with my idea with that with sweden idea or with that with sweden idea, see how much idea, you could see how much people jobs that people what are these jobs that women well i i please women get? well i mean, i please like tell me i'm like right handed. tell me i'm not i'm not aware of those. i would i would query that. i mean, they might be they might be case where it be the odd case where it happens. say that happens. but to say that that happens. but to say that that happens across board, happens across the board, i mean, it's clearly well, they didn't say across the board, but in some jobs, that that in some jobs, that is that is the would the case. but this would actually you could see actually if you could see someone's salary, that could potentially stop that happening. and not and stephen says it's not comparing apples and stephen says it's not comp areg apples and stephen says it's not comp are more apples and stephen says it's not comp are more women apples and stephen says it's not comp are more women thenzs and stephen says it's not comp are more women then for there are more women then for many reasons do more jobs that are well for are generally less well paid for obvious check out obvious reasons, i.e. check out of the analysis is of asda. the analysis is meaningless. i'm kind with meaningless. i'm kind of with you actually. analysis you actually. the analysis i believe but believe is meaningless, but i still if we published still think if we published everybody's i'm everybody's salary then i'm so nice the irony is with the nice. the irony is with the agenda sort of pay pay that you can have a, a good employer who has got a wide gender pay pay

gap for all sorts of legitimate reasons and a bad employer who has a small one. that's that's the that's a nonsense. well, i just want to be paid the most coming out. virginia doctors will will they're going to go ahead. will they ? they're going ahead. will they? they're going to a three day to go ahead with a three day walk on march in the demand walk out on march in the demand for inflation busting pay for an inflation busting pay rise. anyway .

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that and more at 930 on. sunday welcome back. 37 minutes after 6:00 is gb views were live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm not i'm a quitter because adam just sent a message saying that the subtitles may develop earlier because when i said none of said i'm a quitter. hardly of it said i'm a quitter. hardly with me until seven. my panel charlotte pickles . she's the charlotte pickles. she's the director of reform think tank and also paul embery. he's an author, trade unionist and a farming . author, trade unionist and a farming. right. so author, trade unionist and a farming . right. so speaking of farming. right. so speaking of which, strikes a rumbling on the in sight. junior doctors have announced a three day walk out in the middle of march demanding a pay in the middle of march demanding a pay increase to make up for 15 years of inflation. the british medical association says that junior are angry and the junior doctors are angry and the longer willing to work for the wages that have been seen in real terms, real decline . so real terms, a real decline. so are shocked by this? i mean,

are you shocked by this? i mean, after all starting salaries, this is about 29,000. that's not bad. some people would think that's actually good wage. that's actually a good wage. yeah, it's not a bad yeah, i mean, it's not a bad wage. i what i find wage. so i think what i find shocking is that they've gone from zero to an extreme strike in 60 seconds. and so they're going for a full three day walkout without coverage of emergency care. you know, all the kind of life saving clinical provision that junior does. i remember junior doctors make up a huge proportion of the workforce. i mean, i think it's about 40. yeah so i'm shocked they've gone straight for three day strike, which is not what, for example, nurses did. they started with hours now, ten started with 12 hours now, ten long have now escalated long nurses have now escalated and, you know, perhaps that is where and perhaps they've where we and perhaps they've just cut to the chase and concentrate for the thing they think biggest out. think will have the biggest out. i want to the i did also want to make the point that the this 29,000 and just over 29,000 starting salary for a junior doctor is actually

without all of the other add ons that you get you get extra money for doing weekends. you get extra for doing antisocial hours, extra money. if hours, you get extra money. if you're london, get you're in london, you get there's whole of things there's a whole of things actually the average salary for actually the average salary for a year for the most junior a first year for the most junior of doctors actually of junior doctors is actually ove r £36,000. for a salary over £36,000. and for a salary for a junior doctor is over £60,000. yeah these are not bad salaries. which is not to say they shouldn't get a fair deal. but i think we need to be clear that these are not under paid people who. well, i mean, the key point is they're not getting a deal and. workers, a fair deal and. many workers, not the public, but the not just in the public, but the private as well , they private sector as well, they haven't had a fair deal for a number years now. i mean, number of years now. i mean, since global financial in since the global financial in 2008 seen austerity in the pubuc 2008 seen austerity in the public sector, we've seen low pay public sector, we've seen low pay increase in private pay increase in the private sector as well . as result of sector as well. as a result of that, workers wages in real terms have fallen behind quite significantly . and i think significantly. and i think workers and trade unionists at some point get to a point where they say, look how much more of this can we be expected to take

at the moment in this country, we're experiencing the worst pay squeeze workers wages since squeeze on workers wages since napoleonic times people are seeing standards seeing their living standards crashing. also by crashing. and they're also by the way, seeing an economy which is fundamentally because is fundamentally unfair because at the same time as they are being told to tighten their belts constantly, they see exactly this and they see exactly this place and they see bonusis exactly this place and they see bonus is going up. they see some of corporation is of our corporation is registering well. but these are private companies. although these private companies, private companies. although these paying/ate companies, private companies. although these paying/atethis. panies, we're paying for this. so they're part nhs that is they're part of the nhs that is part the state. and within part of the state. and within all they get pensions all of this they get pensions which companies which a lot of private companies don't and there are other don't offer. and there are other incentives, other things add up very for people within very nicely for people within the the point that it the nhs, but the point that it doesn't detract from the fact that the economy itself is fundamentally imbalanced and fundamentally imbalanced and fundamentally and some of the people doing some of the most productive work and some of the most important work society most important work in society are often the people getting the work still. and in terms of pay increases now , as we touched on increases now, as we touched on before the break, i don't believe that the millions of people have suddenly woken up

and i want to bring down the conservative government. therefore, i'm going to take strike think of strike action. i think some of them actually i think them have actually i think i think maybe nick lynch think it's maybe tiny nick lynch yeah, but i'm talking about i mean, that's, you know, you see you said you don't think so. i'm talking about i mean in self isn't strike i'm talking isn't on strike i'm talking about and file trade about rank and file trade unionists strike unionists who are taking strike action, picket lines action, standing on picket lines often. people in the health sector, for example. we've never taken before. taken strike action before. i think just at the end of think they just at the end of their have realised, their tether have realised, realise only way to realise that the only way to shift government actually realise that the only way to sh say government actually realise that the only way to sh say yeah vernment actually realise that the only way to sh say yeah butiment actually realise that the only way to sh say yeah but they're actually realise that the only way to sh say yeah but they're not. |ally realise that the only way to sh say yeah but they're not. no, to say yeah but they're not. no, no, what they're doing is no, but what they're doing is three days of cover three days of no cover whatsoever. so public will whatsoever. so the public will be of we're be the recipients of this. we're the ones that are going to bear the ones that are going to bear the brunt of it. and yet we're the brunt of it. and yet we're the expected to pay the ones expected to pay the increase. now, wondering increase. now, i'm wondering whether to see money whether expecting to see money come will from come from which will come from our may push our taxes, which may well push them into higher tax bracket. them into a higher tax bracket. inflation is inflation at the moment is actually temporary it's actually a temporary thing. it's set literally halve, is what set to literally halve, is what they're . i'm just they're saying. so i'm just sorry. i'm sorry. let me finish. only thing that they are i mean, look, i respect that they should

be a little bit more. be paid maybe a little bit more. but that the three days but i think that the three days off go straight strike off like that go straight strike action lives at risk. action is putting lives at risk. and i don't think that they i think they will lose sympathy of the paying for the public who are paying for the public who are paying for the isn't it amazing the increase. isn't it amazing that when it comes the that when it comes to the question of we can't find the money, people often money, as some people say often the people who are saying the same people who are saying we continue we should continue arming ukraine sending whatever ukraine and sending whatever financial support and military support cost of billions of support at a cost of billions of pounds. clear. we pounds. let's be clear. and we can the drop of can do that at the drop of a hat. well, let's ask charlotte mean. let's be clear what the junior doctors have asked for. virginia have for virginia doctors have asked for about a 35% pay increase. right. that's the pay restoration, about 35. that is ludicrous. if actually and we talked before with the attacks numbers around the pay gap, which are meaningless because it's an absurd assessment. that's exactly what's happened here with the junior doctors. so they've used a measure of inflation that is pretty discredited and they've come up with this ridiculous number if you actually look at in real terms the pay cut . doctors have

terms the pay cut. doctors have taken a pay cut as nearly all of the public sector has done as incidentally, so is the private sector. if you look at since 2010 to today, about 6.3% 2010 to today, that's about 6.3% real cut. i'd be more than real terms cut. i'd be more than happy to give junior doctors 6.3% the idea that you go straight to a three day strike without cover , asking for a 35% without cover, asking for a 35% bump is crazy. and i do want to pick up this point, i think, because actually the point you made, which is that this is being paid not just by executives on the well pay people , but actually the people people, but actually the people who are earning far less in the private sector. and that just as important and just as productive, which i know is. paul productive, which i know is. paul, the point making. paul, the point you were making. but the people who are but you know, the people who are stacking shelves, who the stacking shelves, who are the cleaners hospitals , who cleaners in these hospitals, who will earning fraction will be earning a fraction of nothing, think charlie nothing, i don't think charlie will by their taxes will be paying by their taxes for all increases . but i for all the increases. but i don't i don't think we should be pitting private sector workers against public sector workers. well, who's on the other? well, no, not one that i'm not.

no, i'm not one that i'm not. i'm not. i'm to just. you brought out the private you know, i'm not suggesting that the wage to fund a decent pay increase for public sector workers to go ordinary workers is to go to ordinary private working private sector workers working in a factory or in an office saying, the ones who saying, you are the ones who have pay for this. i mean, have to pay for this. i mean, the whether like or the reason whether we like it or not, there still a lot of not, there is still a lot of wealth this country. we are wealth in this country. we are the richest. yeah, this is important. you say that. but as is so the case, far too is so often the case, far too much of wealth is much of that wealth is concentrated into hands . and concentrated into few hands. and it's it's important it's important. it's important to with that everybody. to agree with that everybody. but these all agree that a i'm not sure everybody does. we do agree that we should be treated agree that we should be treated a bit more evenly to the people. we do a lot more of the harder work, especially doctors, nurses and that. and people like that. absolutely. but 35% is ludicrous. i mean, that . but ludicrous. and i mean, that. but that's what i'm looking out. they to they started on 35% they're going to walk out based on that. they've given us the three days at which there'll be no if you're going to no cover. so if you're going to get you're to die on get sick, you're going to die on those days, you could well, those days, then you could well, it life and death. i

it could be life and death. i think it's disgusting. i think it's disgraceful. i think when it's disgraceful. i think when it speaking, i think it comes out speaking, i think it's think it's disgraceful. and i think that not really taking that they're not really taking into account the fact that they are quite relatively are actually quite relatively well—paid and that most people haven't had a pay rise. and in the private it's even the private sector, it's even worse we don't get the worse because we don't get the benefits those in benefits that a lot of those in the sector get. no, but the public sector get. no, but it shouldn't be a race to the bottom be about what bottom should be not about what they shouldn't about they should or shouldn't about saying, accept you've saying, okay, we accept you've had a rough deal. but you know what, joe bloggs is working on the production a the production line in a factory. a rough deal. factory. he's had a rough deal. so really better be thankful so you really better be thankful for lot and you shouldn't for your lot and you shouldn't take shouldn't take action. it shouldn't be about opposing about counts opposing one against far as i'm against the other. as far as i'm with. you say that if on with. you say that then if on the or the 35th, the member the 14th or the 35th, the member of your family is very sick, needs emergency and needs emergency care, and there's one take care of there's no one to take care of them. i mean, answer the them. no, i mean, answer the question. what to question. think what comes to life limb emergency? i my life and limb emergency? i my understanding that law, understanding is that by law, individuals to individuals won't be able to take strike action unless they're other they're covered, whereas other other and emergency other more general and emergency care is legitimate. so so. but they're stopping everything so that, it won't that

that, you know, it won't be that sort so ultimately, if sort of thing. so ultimately, if it's a member of your family, because saying it's all very because i'm saying it's all very well saying that. and so it's actually, you know, then suddenly hang minute. suddenly it's hang on a minute. no, a firefighter. i've no, i'm i'm a firefighter. i've been myself. know. been on strike myself. i know. i know anguish that public know the anguish that public sector workers, especially emergency service workers, go through for through when they vote for strike. know, don't strike. so, you know, you don't underestimate what what they're going through in terms of the agonising decision that they're being make. not being asked to make. it's not something lightly, something that you do lightly, but it because you look, but they do it because you look, this is a not a bunch of madness. what does it you know, this is all quite said at the moment oh, and they're all different. but, you know, some are militant, some won't be. i just think that 85% is a bit ludicrous. and then putting out three days and saying we're going to strike on those days if you get is you don't get a 35, is ridiculous me that guy said ridiculous to me that guy said this this stuff that we have had a nonsense. have a pay cut is nonsense. they have not cuts. everyone has not had pay cuts. everyone has been affected by inflation. and these rises will it worse these rises will make it worse for. rest of us, as i've for. the rest of us, as i've always respected doctors, however, are now

however, given that gp's are now not their patients even not seeing their patients even once. i mean some of the once. yeah, i mean some of the face appointments, you face to face appointments, you can't we should can't even get. i feel we should be a pay cut, not a rise. be them. a pay cut, not a rise. i where is the thing? you i mean, where is the thing? you get a pay cut for good work says i think pensioners are underpaid and going to going strike and i'm going to going on strike no watching until i get no more watching until i get a 35% rise and linda says gina, doctors paid very well and doctors are paid very well and should striking if they should not be striking if they don't want a high pressure job then they don't don't go into then they don't don't go into the profession. that's what the profession. and that's what people saying others are people are saying or others are saying drive saying why join and drive trains? more trains? because you get more that that's a commitment that that's just a commitment somebody right coming somebody that right coming up has an unlikely donald has an unlikely vocal donald champion emerged in the form of camilla the queen will camilla the queen consort will be interpreting coded words at the recent writers event. that's

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pickles. she's the director of the reform think tank. also, paul, the reform think tank. also, paul , he's an the reform think tank. also, paul, he's an author, trade unionist , a paul, he's an author, trade unionist, a foreign and right now finally, some common sense on the much reported rewriting of wrong. does books puffin books of brown road back on the decision to change some of his word there they're going to keep his original text in print so maybe they will actually prompted by the short speech from camilla, the queen consort, he told a collection of authors that they must remain true to your unimpeded by those your calling unimpeded by those who may wish to kerb their freedom of expression. publishing right to speak out, she was right. although i have to say, i think the royals themselves , as an institution themselves, as an institution and as a family over recent years have become pretty woke. actually i think they've embraced the work embraced a lot of the work agenda.so embraced a lot of the work agenda. so you have to ask whether they're being she's whether they're not being she's not slightly hypocritical, not being slightly hypocritical, suddenly putting up this stand, albeit implicit against wokeness . but of course, she's right because i it's an absolute nonsense. and i just don't think this sort of these sorts of

actions in terms of getting sensitivity readers to go through, you know, books that are really popular, books . well, are really popular, books. well, the bfg has what his black cape was not allowed . it was going to was not allowed. it was going to go and pull ampersand now gender neutral and augustus gloop is no longer fat . neutral and augustus gloop is no longer fat. he's just enormous. i mean, these are stories. this is worse. i mean, that's being called fat. these are enormous. these stories that we read as kids and we've read to our kids and as i say, the vast, vast majority of people think this is rubbish. and it's this it's this kind of offence taking industry where people think they have a right to be offended and people feel insults . humans and feel like insults. humans and organisations feel they have to take these actions in to take these actions in order to protect people in fact most protect people when in fact most people want that sort of people don't want that sort of thing grown up to thing that grown up much to this. texts amongst this. those texts amongst the minds hadn't seen minds up most of us hadn't seen what saying in it. what they're saying in it. i mean somebody told me oh the cook the post monkey that's racist because he's monkey racist because he's a monkey as other. go there and other. i just go in there and think a coco pops up, not think about a coco pops up, not even thought that. i think even thought about that. i think people and imprint this in

people try and imprint this in your to come in to your mind to perhaps come in to realise that the woke we had just far silent. just gone too far silent. i think it's great she said something. and not sure something. and i'm not sure i would that either the queen would say that either the queen consort have consort or the king have necessarily been part of the woke and of royal royal woke and of the royal royal family, etc. i mean, i'm not really sure about what help i feel like that be whole feel like that could be a whole can worms were, but can of worms that were, but i think in my view, if this if you're going to be offended by the ugly fat, don't the word ugly or fat, don't frickin books . it's my frickin read the books. it's my french, you know, kind to french, you know, kind of to something else there's a world of books that you of children's books that you could want could read, right? if you want to about, i'll exercise to read about, i'll exercise your decision and don't read your own decision and don't read it. but i am intrigued to know that whether we can call you a fireman, which we haven't come back, but you happy with back, but are you happy with firemen? well look, i mean, in truth, and this i think this story come out of greater story has come out of greater manchester. chief manchester. the chief fire officer in great manchester fire and services said he and rescue services said he wants raise the term fireman wants to raise the term fireman from workplace. there's from the workplace. there's a micro aggression because it's a microaggression. you know, i don't think the way he wrote that communication was

particularly helpful technically . he's correct in the sense that the term fireman is redundant. i mean, we've with women, mean, we've had with women, mankind, because for me mankind, maybe because for me when i hear man on the end of it, it comes from the word human, i mean humans way. woman in one sense i have sympathy with he because the with what, he said, because the term fireman has been redundant for decades now. we have for four decades now. we have firefighters. in firefighters. we've had women in the for decades and the fire service for decades and it's proper. i think it's right and proper. i think that use that you don't just use exclusively fireman. firefighter is the correct term. however, i think way you address that think the way you address that is taking stick is not by taking a big stick approach the approach saying if you use the word fireman, we're going to discipline you and, we're not going that going to tolerate it. and that sort you just try and sort of you just try and encourage i think, encourage people, i think, to use the correct term. well i think firefighter sounds a bit better. i mean, fire fighter, i think that's why i use it all the time because i know much think that's why i use it all ththeyie because i know much think that's why i use it all ththey should)ecause i know much think that's why i use it all ththey should justhe i know much think that's why i use it all ththey should just do i know much think that's why i use it all ththey should just do it. now much think that's why i use it all ththey should just do it. but much if they should just do it. but you need to say, we're you don't need to say, oh, we're going to change it because it's just changed. firefighter nobody would they would really care. why are they making such a big it? making such a big deal of it? but starts to get but then it starts to get ridiculous. you've got the ridiculous. when you've got the likes smith coming out likes of sam smith coming out

with you know, with fisher, then you know, i don't even have any words to chris. and there are two let's be about there are be blunt about it. there are two. mean, i've seen smith two. i mean, i've seen sam smith interviewed stuff interviewed some of these stuff recently and there are too few tv presenters, journalists who are take on and are to prepared take him on and to say, look, sorry, to actually say, look, sorry, i'm accepting that is i'm not accepting that this is nonsense not i'm not nonsense and i'm not i'm not going to be browbeaten by you into using this silly language. i i i think i mean, i agree. ijust think the world's going mad the world's going going mad about stuff. and actually, the world's going going mad ab0|know, stuff. and actually, the world's going going mad ab0|know, stutheind actually, the world's going going mad ab0|know, stutheind a

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north philly breeze does ease as we go through the day. generally dry for many through into the afternoon on saturday, sunny spells of sunshine spells the best of the sunshine across the north and temperatures overall generally between six and nine celsius. so a little bit lower compared to what we saw during the day on friday into the evening time, the cloud starts to melt once more. still, the risk of one or two showers down east coast with that northerly breeze . and under that northerly breeze. and under the clear skies overnight into sunday frost sunday morning, a frost returning once more, particularly across western areas. and again, temperatures minus 2 to —4 in the countryside hovering near to freezing in the main towns and cities. so it means mixed start sunday there'll be patchy frost across northern, western and southern parts of the uk. further east, a cloudier start, one or two showers possible through the day. the best of the sunshine goes on across seven counties of england, parts of northern ireland, and western ireland, central and western scotland. elsewhere, the cloud will at will build up at times, temperatures be similar to temperatures will be similar to saturday, so generally around , saturday, so generally around, if not a little below average for time of year. and

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