coming on today's camilla tominey show? i'm going to be speaking to lord frost, the man who negotiated the northern ireland protocol about the government announcing it's on the cusp of a deal. i'll also speaking to the dup's sammy wilson his response, and wilson for his response, and i'll joined former national i'll joined by former national security adviser to donald trump, john bolton. in america . trump, john bolton. in america. but first, here's the news headunes but first, here's the news headlines with bethany elsey .

headlines with bethany elsey. camilla you good morning to you. it's on 931. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from gb newsroom rishi sunak says he's giving it everything to achieve new deal over the northern ireland protocol, but has insisted it's not done yet. speaking to the times, the prime minister said he's of a positive outcome with the european union, describing it as unfinished business. he said it's vital to ensure a return to powersharing in province. the dup has refused to form an executive at stormont in protest over the current deal . police in northern ireland have arrested sixth person in connection the attempted murder of an off duty police officer in omagh . john caldwell was at omagh. john caldwell was at a sports with his son where he coaches a youth football team when he was shot. the detective chief remains critically ill in hospital . labour chief remains critically ill in hospital. labour is chief remains critically ill in

hospital . labour is calling chief remains critically ill in hospital. labour is calling for ministers to label the volcanic as a terror organisation and the shadow foreign and home are accusing the russian mercenary group of being a terror outfit, which commits appalling atrocities. members have fighting alongside the russian military areas of eastern ukraine. europe to date , tv ukraine. europe to date, tv onune ukraine. europe to date, tv online and dvb radio. this is gb news. now, though, it's back to camilla . camilla. good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show on this sunny sunday. lovely to have you with me. please do not anywhere for the next 90 minutes because we've got a jam packed show. we've my exclusive interview with up. with lord frost coming up. obviously, it be obviously, it couldn't be better. saying better. the government saying they're on cusp a brexit deal they're on cusp of a brexit deal . find out how the man who negotiated over the northern ireland has reacted to

ireland protocol has reacted to that news. first of all, let me take through the newspaper headunes headlines very, very quickly. we've front the we've got on the front the sunday telegraph sunak snubs johnson new brexit deal . front johnson new brexit deal. front of the sunday times goes with the same theme i'm the man, i'm the same theme i'm the man, i'm the pm who will get brexit done, says sunak . the observer. really says sunak. the observer. really fascinating investigation. the newspapers done revealed one in 100 police faced criminal charge in 2022 . the mirror rishi, in 2022. the mirror rishi, please reunite my family. this is about a young 11 year old ukrainian boy who wants to be reunited with his parents having . come to britain . the sunday . come to britain. the sunday express goes with crackdown on £14 million migrant lawyers . the £14 million migrant lawyers. the mail on sunday tories anger over charles eu schmooze and the sun on sunday pal paid for royal pool just to explain this is somebody linked vladimir putin

who's paid for the swimming pool at the school that's by prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. now get straight into the newspapers . my former into the newspapers. my former colleague at the express , colleague at the express, patrick o'flynn, now a journalist and a former mep, does a lot of work, gb news and others. lovely to . see you this others. lovely to. see you this morning, patrick. lovely to here. great timing as well with everything brexit. back on the menu. let's get straight into that. now you've chosen the medal sunday splash idea medal on sunday splash this idea of the trying to of the government trying to ang of the government trying to bring the king into the negotiations on the protocol. but it didn't all go to planned. no and when you get a big headune no and when you get a big headline like the mail sunday has got it's quite instructive to through the story and to read through the story and see who the named person is and the mail on sunday today the row about bringing the king into politics seems to be mainly based on jacob rees—mogg using his as quite sort of demagogic that the prime minister's unwise to subject the king to his trans

political imperative . now the political imperative. now the allegation is they were going to call this agreement with the eu, this impending agreement, the agreement and the king was going to be seen to play this central role. it seems like there's been a backing away from that. but the mail on sunday, journalists including the political editor own, have rather found a second link to the story, which is the king, we're told, is going to be going on a tour of european capitals, primarily berlin and paris. now i think from from the opinion of most tory opinion using the king to actually seal the deal and, giving it a royal gloss. this weekend would have been very unwise . but for the been very unwise. but for the king to go to paris and berlin, they're in fact neighbours . i they're in fact neighbours. i think that that will be fine . think that that will be fine. there might be some commonwealth countries. look, why don't you visit us? because you're king andifs visit us? because you're king and it's the first foreign tour that you've done. well, indeed, but i think know he will get

round countries in pretty round those countries in pretty short order, i'm sure. so i think the governments kind of bailed misstep and bailed of a major misstep and him going to europe after the dealis him going to europe after the deal is struck. i think will be seen as as good warming up of relationships, good, soft power. now, you've chosen a story for the next story. and this isn't really about brexit, which is dominating newspapers . and dominating newspapers. and there's a point to why you've raised this which is raised this story, which is about small boats crisis about the small boats crisis threatening red wall and the threatening the red wall and the tories success at the last election there. yes so we moved from where it seems like from a story where it seems like the king is absolutely on side with on on the with the government on on the northern protocol. the northern ireland protocol. the new deal the eu to as you new deal with the eu to as you might recall, when he was prince of he was of the great of wales, he was of the great and the goods who said that they didn't like the rwanda scheme. yes and yet rishi sunak we're told, is coming forward with a much more common version of that , where anyone who arrives illegally in this country won't be able to asylum and won't be able to stay. so it's the rwanda

scheme writ large, but red wall tory mps like brendan smyth are pointing out, well, it's all right, talking a good game, but you haven't delivered, haven't even launched the legislation yet. and all we've had from sunak cet ministration is a deal with france on policing hasn't worked because the numbers in and february were actually worse than last year and this sort of strange non amnesty amnesty for people from five countries or indeed claiming that they are actually throwing their documents away in the channel who will now claim to be from them will strike people as extraordinary with these numbers now 45,000 having arrived by boat last year and then effectively , as you say, an effectively, as you say, an amnesty in all but name, just a total capitulation. yes. and i heard a few days ago from a tory mp about a conversation he had with boris johnson last summer before the rwanda planes were due to take off, urging that must take off, even though the

european court of human rights said that they shouldn't just of take off anyway, they ignore it. and apparently boris johnson's position was we must have strategic well, strategic patience on this issue didn't work for boris johnson . and i work for boris johnson. and i would suggest rishi sunak needs some strategic impatience . yes. some strategic impatience. yes. urgency some urgency to this issue, which i think the public demanding. now, you've also picked another story which is in the sun on sunday, again, about migration. and this is a story suggesting that the blob has blocked pm's plan for blocked the pm's plan for migrant tents. these were tents to take people out of hotels because we know voters because we know that voters don't fact that they're don't like the fact that they're often towns of being by often seaside towns of being by people being housed their asylum claims . yes so this turns out claims. yes so this turns out that some is an unprepared eu . that some is an unprepared eu. of course there are . yes we know of course there are. yes we know there's a few hundred that the government hasn't got around to scrapping, which allegedly says that must house asylum that you must house asylum seekers in a sort of permanent, solid buildings and not sort of

tents or barracks or whatever it might be. now, i don't think the average voter is going to take these excuses for inactivity . these excuses for inactivity. yes, sure. there are people in the civil service who are maybe tracking the heels on this. we learned this week that the home office top mandarin doesn't write, stopping the small boats is one of the top three tasks for the department. but ultimately we put this government in. it's one of rishi sunak's big five things rightly and there's been no at all. and i think are sick of hearing excuses. i think are sick of hearing excuses . it's interesting excuses. it's interesting because number 10 are talking about these instant deliverables and yet there is this impatience , as you say, and also this degree of invisibility to rishi, which is interesting i mean, can government be run and run? and sort of behind the scenes, there's this sense, oh, i'm doing all of the work behind the people see him doing it people need to see him doing it and it and to deliver on it immediately. but and i think on this issue, tory this particular issue, the tory record legal and illegal record on both legal and illegal immigration is so bumpy rackety

that they'll need to be progress demonstrated on the ground before the election. it's no point having a big say manifesto by jo. we might well withdraw the eec h.r. people will roll their eyes and not believe it. they need to actually deliver in the remaining 18 months or so of this parliament. quick word on transgender prisoners . there transgender prisoners. there seems to be a victory for those who are arguing that the likes of adam graham never have gone anywhere near a women's prison. yes, certainly. in terms of policy in, england and wales, this is you know, hirahara this is a you know, hirahara conservative government doing something conservative. yes. yes and dominic raab coming out with a new approach that trans women prisoners not ones who've committed sex crimes, but crimes of violence will be forbidden from the women's prison estate. and i think even more importantly he trans women who are still intact , importantly he trans women who are still intact, biological males as a category and not

people might not know but that's most trans women will not be allowed whatever the crime to be allowed whatever the crime to be a women's prison so the position is south of the border i think much more common sense now . the much more common sense now. the one providing up in scotland. absolutely. that's just try and squeeze in this last story on the front of the observer because it is a good investigation. this that headune investigation. this that headline figure that's just remind ourselves of one in remind ourselves of it. one in 100 face criminal charge 100 police face criminal charge in 2022. one in 100. this is something you complain. this is a criminal charge . absolutely. a criminal charge. absolutely. so it's gone through whole process of the cps weighing up a file and saying, yes , there's a file and saying, yes, there's a chance of a reasonable chance of conviction. and prosecutions in the public interest . conviction. and prosecutions in the public interest. i almost thought that can't be right. and you read it and. it is right. almost 1400 police officers. and it's not just a met problem . it's not just a met problem. thought it might just be a metropolitan police problem, but it's an across the country problem. 1400 police officers, almost in 2022 facing criminal

charges for offences of one sort or another, which is an almost six fold increase ten years before . this is this is before. this is this is something's gone terribly wrong in terms of standards within policing , general. and again, policing, general. and again, it's one of those things who's beenin it's one of those things who's been in charge for those ten years. well it's the concern of being conservative led government. so whatever their posturing, why do our public services actually just keep collapsing under their stewardship ? unbelievable story. stewardship? unbelievable story. thank you very much , o'flynn, thank you very much, o'flynn, for joining me this morning. forjoining me this morning. now, tom harwood gb news is political correspondent is in leicester with the people's panel. leicester with the people's panel . as you know, tom, i've panel. as you know, tom, i've got some great guests on the show today, including lord frost. i'd like to find out what the people of leicester would like ask him . yes, like me to ask him. yes, absolutely. this week we are in the beautiful choco berry cafe here in city of leicester and it's really interesting. place only opened up recently but of

course business has been thriving . it's a very busy cafe thriving. it's a very busy cafe this morning and i'm delighted to be joined by roxana, one of the owners. how is business? the cost of living has had a significant impact on our. rising food costs. transportation costs, energy prices. but having said that we do have our loyal customers and it does seem very thriving . it does seem very thriving. morning but thank you very much for hosting us. thank you. well, let's swing round now to our people's panel three people from the city of leicester, a diverse range of ages. let's start with adam. adam, your first time voter, 18 years old. what's the biggest issue for you? i think government, fiscal responsibility is the primary issue we're facing . i mean, we issue we're facing. i mean, we face the highest tax burden , face the highest tax burden, world ii, and yet we're world war ii, and yet we're still budget deficits still running budget deficits monthly a year. and we monthly in over a year. and we need to look at where we're spending money. is it being used effectively? and how we can ensure we're spending ensure any money we're spending is and it's providing is efficient and it's providing value for money, just like a business. would you know whether

it forcibly overspend on it be forcibly and overspend on hs2, what they're hs2, which is what they're looking the treasury looking at now, or the treasury admitting , they're essentially admitting, they're essentially going to write of f £4 billion going to write off £4 billion and government fraudulent claims for support for the government support scheme i think scheme during covid. and i think it's don't have the it's a shame we don't have the minister government minister for government efficiency that efficiency anymore because that should be their responsibility to that , evaluate to look at that, evaluate how we're and get we're spending and to get country back on track financially. interesting stuff. now, you a teacher now, jenny, you were a teacher for many years. you're now a conservative council candidate and you're more interested in local issues here. i'm very interested in leicester. i've lived in leicester all my life . lived in leicester all my life. i would like to know happened to all the money that we were given as a city for the levelling up. leicester is a city, it's a very diverse city. it's a very happy city. but there are areas of the city. but there are areas of the city that need an awful lot of money putting into. where is that money? where is it going to? and jay you don't write programs that help out children and young people here in leicester. what's your biggest issue ? my biggest issue local is issue? my biggest issue local is kind of linked to what jenny's

just saying. we have children in this city in all areas going to school cold and hungry whilst we all scale the costs of our mayor, the deputy mayor and the assistant mayors. we've young people who are going hungry and cold. that can't be right. in 2023. now course, this morning, the former brexit minister, lord frost, is expected exclusively speaking . camilla. what are you speaking. camilla. what are you interested most in hearing from lord frost this northern ireland protocol stuff? some can sometimes seem incredibly confusing, frankly . i think it confusing, frankly. i think it can be confusing some, but it is a very important issue and especially it comes to the future of our union. i mean, i know in a speech last year, lord frost said that the republic of ireland did undermine some stability and. the north, with some of the language they are using. and i want to know whether he feels that there is a kind of concert to the effort by whether it be the eu or the repubuc whether it be the eu or the republic of ireland to encourage

a border poll to maybe undermine the union somewhat, because ultimately the united ultimately we are the united kingdom be our kingdom and that should be our primary in any primary objective in any negotiation, keeping us together. do you trust together. jenny, do you trust rishi deal? i yes. i rishi sunak get a deal? i yes. i think that all the leaders that we have at the moment, whether it be labour or the conservatives and prime minister , are young to the game of politics. it's a poisoned chalice in lots of ways. yes, i do trust him. i think he has a good head is a good businessman and he's an honest person. i do trust him. yes. well, i'm afraid you've got to cut back to camilla now, but will be back camilla now, but we will be back with you three off to those interviews to see what you make of them. camilla, back you. of them. camilla, back to you. thanks much for that, tom. thanks very much for that, tom. some very intelligent questions there that will feed into the interview. that's just about to come. if want come. don't forget, if you want to apply the people's panel, to apply to the people's panel, go gb news dot uk forward go to gb news dot uk forward slash you can have slash panel. you can have your say every now. i'm say on my show every now. i'm delighted to be joined by lord frost, former brexit minister bohs frost, former brexit minister boris johnson's brexit negotiator. morning to negotiator. great morning to have you on, david. we hear from

dominic morning that dominic raab this morning that the is the cusp of the government is on the cusp of a deal . do you the government is on the cusp of a deal. do you know the government is on the cusp of a deal . do you know what's the government is on the cusp of a deal. do you know what's in it? i have absolutely no idea what's in it. we've all read what's in it. we've all read what's been media over what's been in the media over the week or so. so i guess the last week or so. so i guess we have some sense of it. but nobody can come up with the proper judgement nobody can come up with the properjudgement . so we've seen properjudgement. so we've seen some texts of some kind some actual texts of some kind or other. but is it wrong that the likes of brexiteers like you have of the experience have got all of the experience that have the eu and that you've have with the eu and negotiating them have been negotiating with them have been frozen of process? frozen out of this process? you're to say you're not first person to say that the dup got concerns. they don't the deal. don't know what's in the deal. what's sunak playing what's rishi sunak playing out? why out of this? why he blocking you out of this? so i don't expect to be involved myself and not in policy. they've got a good team. i think what's people nervous what's made people nervous probably is that we've not been quite sure what the has been trying to achieve . and when trying to achieve. and when i was doing the negotiations back in 19 and 20, which we set out very clearly what we were aiming to do and why and think there's been some nervousness , maybe the

been some nervousness, maybe the government isn't seeking to achieve everything. that's important to people who care about stability in northern and the sovereignty of the country . the sovereignty of the country. but sounds like we're about to find out in the next day or two. so let's well, what does a good deal look like to you? well i think that it the way the politics in north ireland has been over last two or three years means that the can't survive in its current form. it was workable at the start, but i think the world has changed and it can't survive. the only question is do we get there in one go with the protocol bill or do we get there in stages by an agreed route? but i think there can be no longer there no longer be any doubts about the correct destination for this which is full sovereignty over the whole country. now for me, a good deal it's a negotiates deal is one which takes a significant step in that direction and doesn't

present itself as the step that it can continue to evolve and get us to. that is that is the main red line for you as it is for the dup. this idea of continued ecj jurisdiction over decision making in ireland. so the question is not so much the court as eu law. if you have eu law , you always have to have the law, you always have to have the courts and core problem is the imposition of eu law in northern ireland without consent. now the government's been able to do something significant about that .then something significant about that . then that's that's a big thing. i don't know whether they have i don't how hard they've been trying will we will say well how much confidence have you got in rishi sunak the brexiteer negotiating this? because i don't know, but i'm getting the that are getting the that there are probably more concessions being made brexiteers might like made than brexiteers might like . mean we, we would like an . i mean we, we would like an end point like the one that i described . i think it's described. i think it's realistic that's not going to emerge out of this deal or this negotiation . trust him on this negotiation. trust him on this is my point because i remember

writing about you being brexit negotiator and failing that he blocked of your manoeuvres blocked some of your manoeuvres from at from his position at the treasury chancellor. this idea that he is in hock with people at the treasury, who are desperate to maintain trade links all costs, know i felt links at all costs, know i felt that there was friction between you sunak when you were in you and sunak when you were in your i think possibly your post. so i think possibly i. can't for the prime i. i can't speak for the prime minister personally. obviously think over think they are possibly over worried about the risk of retaliation of some kind from the eu. if we if don't reach a deal the eu. if we if don't reach a deal. so i think that's that's that's one of the. but that compromise is rishi sunak's position that he's not going in hard enough. well, i think what is worried me slightly is that we seem to have passed the bill, the northern ireland protocol bill would have overwritten the protocol. and i think if we were really tough , we will be pushing really tough, we will be pushing that through the lords at the same time, in parallel to make it clear that if there wasn't a good, was another option. good, there was another option. so i worry slightly that's been parks , maybe that's weakened a parks, maybe that's weakened a hand slightly , but. so you're on

hand slightly, but. so you're on bohs hand slightly, but. so you're on boris johnson's side of that argument it comes a no argument when it comes to a no stick the bill. don't just stick with the bill. don't just have has said have a deal, although has said there'll a vote deal there'll be a vote on a deal just talking about you and boris johnson obviously the remainers and chief critics will say, and your chief critics will say, well, is all your fault. well, this is all your fault. you negotiated you know, you negotiated this protocol good for protocol has not been good for northern not been good protocol has not been good for n0|the'n not been good protocol has not been good for n0|the uk not been good protocol has not been good for n0|the uk and not been good protocol has not been good for n0|the uk and we're been good protocol has not been good for n0|the uk and we're having ood protocol has not been good for n0|the uk and we're having tod for the uk and we're having to extricate from you extricate ourselves from you have to one step back . theresa have to one step back. theresa may and her team negotiated this terrible deal in 2018, wouldn't go through parliament. it would have kept the whole country on the customs union and bits of the customs union and bits of the single market for ever with an eu lock. what we did was improve that we, we put in place a deal that meant we could negotiate a free trade agreement . we gave the northern ireland assembly stormont consent over the continuous out of the protocol and we changed few other things. so it was an improvement. we wouldn't have started from before we had start. so it was theresa may's vote, really. it ultimately goes back to the mistakes that were made in and 18. we corrected made in 17 and 18. we corrected some of i wish we had been

some of them. i wish we had been able more, but with able to do more, but with parliament the parliament and the constitutional as it constitutional meltdown as it was , we took view that's the was, we took a view that's the most important thing was to deliver the referendum results. and i think if we hadn't done that, who knows would have happened british politics. so happened in british politics. so it was an unsatisfying choice, but i believe took the right choice to get us out eu and get on with the future . but right on with the future. but right choices are important now . they. choices are important now. they. you know, you've had this period of instability the tory a of instability in the tory a number of prime ministers have had to resign over brexit effectively since the days of cameron . i mean are you in cameron. i mean are you in dangerous throwing the baby out with the bathwater to hear you're going to have to make concessions. what's the alternative ? the next government alternative? the next government is government . perhaps is a labour government. perhaps that's what the polls suggest. and you've keir and then you've got keir starmer, remainer starmer, an arch remainer negotiating with the eu. you're going to lose even more. so it's interesting, see interesting, isn't it, to see what's reaction to david davis in the papers today saying, oh, you i think you know, actually i think brexiteers be happy with brexiteers could be happy with this, have see this, so we'll have to see what's know whether

what's in it to know whether we're about. so i'll say we're happy about. so i'll say l, we're happy about. so i'll say i, i still give up on winning the next election. so let's, let's see about that i have no doubt that if labour win they'll want dismantle bits of the want to dismantle bits of the deal come may so i wouldn't be trusting brexit these these apparently brexiteer now do you believe that i, i think if he left to have had a pretty damascene conversion from what we saw over the last few years. but, but i'm very glad if it's true because the country's future is outside the eu and the more politicians who are committed to that, the better . committed to that, the better. actually, i'm a bit doubtful. i think they will take policy decisions that, will us decisions that, will get us closer to the to alignment to economic control all by the eu over time. and i don't think that's in our interests. so you think labour will creep creep back into i don't think they'll take us back necessarily into membership straight away. but i think every time there's a policy choice for them they'll take the solution that takes us closer to the eu rather than

away that and that's how away it so that and that's how we'll get with the party we'll get closer with the party i the latest savanta poll i think the latest savanta poll put you at 14 points behind laboun put you at 14 points behind labour. how earth are you labour. how on earth are you confident going to confident you're going to win the election, not the next general election, not least often write in my least when you often write in my newspaper the telegraph, criticising all of the decisions the governments making? well, i think one thing they could do is not take some of the decisions so have taken take some so they have taken take some take well, take some other ones. well, we've got to have an economic policy is recognisably policy that is recognisably conservative. it is not only deen conservative. it is not only driven by the need for fiscal money and reducing deficits , but money and reducing deficits, but also looks at growth and looks at stimulating growth and activity in the economy. we need strengthening and on conservative approach to economics, i think it's not the full range of conservatism. of course, salmond is important . of course, salmond is important. of course, salmond is important. of course we don't want to be running deficits, but of course we also want an economy that's growing that can fund some of the we want to see the things we want to see co—operation , tax, should go co—operation, tax, should it go

up or should we scrap that? i think it definitely should be should be scrapped. i saw the letter this morning. and even though philip hammond. yes. lord howe joining signed it. i still think it's a good a good and i do think the signal giving with this corporation tax is a is a poor one and it should be changed. and if we have to find spending great. but i think it's a bigger thing going on. this is the mental city we're into at the mental city we're into at the moment where i was watching tv this morning before i came on and i saw one group had, you know, advocate saying free heahng know, advocate saying free hearing tests for forties and fifties another group after fifties and another group after advocating free bereavement counselling in schools . nobody's counselling in schools. nobody's kind of against those things . kind of against those things. but when we are spend and taxing and accumulating debt so much we've got to stop all trying to give each other free stuff. we got to change that. mental states become too big for the conservative party is absolutely

frosty. you know, you've been in power for 12 years. has power for 12 years. this has happened your watch. yes. happened under your watch. yes. it and is the that is the it and that is the that is the problem we've we've seen this creep up over the last few years. and we need to change this and quick word on your own and ambitions. are you going to try and fight a seat and become an mp? i know you're in the house of lords now, but there's been talk of that. so i'm talking the party about this. if a constituency wanted me to in party wanted to, then obviously itake party wanted to, then obviously i take that very seriously. so you're not ruling it out? i'm not ruling it out. thank very much, lord frost. thank you . much, lord frost. thank you. thank you very much for that, lord frost. now coming up, sammy wilson for the dup's response. stay tuned .

i'll be speaking to the dup. sammy wilson in just a moment. but first, here's the news bethany elsey . camilla thank bethany elsey. camilla thank you. good morning. it's 10:01. you. good morning. it's10:01. i'm bethany elsey with your top stories from the gb news room.

rishi sunak says he's giving it everything to achieve a deal over the northern ireland protocol, but has insisted it's not done yet. speaking to the sunday times, the prime minister said he's hopeful of a positive outcome . the european union outcome. the european union describing it as unfinished business. he said it's vital to ensure a return to powersharing in the province . the dup has in the province. the dup has refused form an executive instalment in protest over the current brexit. police . northern current brexit. police. northern ireland have arrested a six the person in connection with the attempted murder of an off duty in omagh, john kyle, 12, was at a sports centre with his son where he coaches a football team when he was . detective. chief when he was. detective. chief inspector otto remains critically ill in. hospital labouris critically ill in. hospital labour is calling for ministers to label volcanic group as a terror organised nation. the shadow foreign home secretaries are accusing the russian mercenary group of being a terror outfit which commits appalling atrocities . members

appalling atrocities. members have been fighting alongside the russian military in areas of eastern ukraine. italian news agency are reporting that at least 33 people have died after a migrant shipwreck . authorities a migrant shipwreck. authorities say 27 bodies were found on a beach in the southern region of calabria . and more have been calabria. and more have been found in the water. it's reported the boat was carrying more than 100 migrants from iran , pakistan and afghanistan when it crashed against rocks during rough sea weather. more than 40 people have been rescued and social housing managers will be required to study for qualification loans to drive up standards following the death of a two year old boy. our shack died in december 2020 from a respiratory condition caused by mould at his home in rochdale. the housing secretary, michael gove, announced the response after acknowledging social housing. residents are being inexcusably let down. the housing expert, richard ,

housing expert, richard, welcomes the move and says it should protect vulnerable tenants . what am concerns is tenants. what am concerns is this? i want i want this to trickle down to front line housing officers because they're often the ones going out and doing visits. and indeed , like doing visits. and indeed, like to see more visits because . what to see more visits because. what we've found since covid is that lot of the work has been done remotely and housing offices have not been going out enough to actually meet tenants and see with their own eyes what's going on. you're up to on tv online and dave plus radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to camilla . camilla. welcome back now. do not think of going anywhere because this one is speaking to the dpj. some i will send i'm also going to be joined the studio by labour's joined in the studio by labour's baroness to discuss baroness chapman to discuss their to the

their party's answer to the brexit deal. and we've also got john bolton coming on the john bolton coming up on the show a national security show form a national security adviser donald. got adviser to donald. and i've got adviser to donald. and i've got a quite heartfelt dispatch from kyiv by an mp there. he's the mayor of odesa, alexi gonchar and co, who speaks very movingly about what he's endured over the last 12 months with the russian invasion of ukraine. but first, let's speak to sammy wilson now , who joins he's the mp for , who joins me. he's the mp for east joins me. i hope east antrim. he joins me. i hope from there. he's a deputy chief whip. can you me, sammy ? whip. can you hear me, sammy? good morning . i can hear you good morning. i can hear you fine . lovely to speak to you fine. lovely to speak to you this morning. now we hear that the government is on the cusp of a deal with the eu. what does the know of the details ? well, the know of the details? well, we know very little of the details have seen quite a lot of speculation in the press. we have had briefings from some the officials. and, of course, jeffrey donaldson has met the prime minister. but we, apart from the kind of headlines , from the kind of headlines, which really doesn't mean a great we haven't seen any legal text and that's of course the

important part of any deal. but what we do know is that there doesn't appear to have been any deal on the central issue affects northern ireland. that is, the imposition of eu law. all of the problems that we face with not able to get goods from gb checks on goods from gp and disruption . our economy stems disruption. our economy stems from the that we are under a different of laws than the rest of united kingdom and therefore checks are required to make sure we are complying not with british law but with brussels law . i know you've got seven law. i know you've got seven tests that you are saying that any deal needs to pass, but that reasonable under the circumstances , surely circumstances, surely compromises need to be made on both sides. what's the ultimate red line, sammy? is it this continue ecj your jurisdiction . continue ecj your jurisdiction. in the one? no, the one thing which is the red for us and if

the dail cannot meet this then all of the other problems are going to continue anyway and thatis going to continue anyway and that is the fact that northern ireland will be as and as we far as we understand it, will continue to be under laws made in brussels, laws that we don't have any say on, laws we have to implement. otherwise the european court of justice will judgements and will decide what sanctions are imposed. so the red line for us and all of the other things will fall into place. this is met the red line for us is that there should be no eu law apply to this part of the united kingdom mean no other country in the world would give a say to a foreign administration to make the laws which affect the people of the country to which they belong . country to which they belong. that mean no other country would accept that and northern we not only are we given those laws and imposed those laws hundreds

present, but they're imposed without any say either by british ministers or by politicians in northern ireland. so that's our red line . if so that's our red line. if that's met, then i think all of the other things will fall into place . i mean, rishi sunak is place. i mean, rishi sunak is described himself as a brexiteer, a conservative and a unionist . so do you not have unionist. so do you not have faith in his negotiation skills on this? do you believe ? well on this? do you believe? well you know, just because you've got negotiation skills, i've dodihas got negotiation skills, i've dodi has negotiation skills . we dodi has negotiation skills. we want to see the outcome of those negotiations, having skills doesn't mean that you, you get the outcome, but i mean, you've you've summed it up. he's he's a unionist. so he must that the integrity the union is not compromised . he's a brexiteer. compromised. he's a brexiteer. so must ensure that what was sought and brexit for the united is delivered to the whole of the united kingdom and the judgement that we will make at the end of the day on the deal that he comes to. i mean don't forget

other people who boris johnson claim to be a brexiteer but left us in the situation we find ourselves at present. so, you know, for closure. know, just for closure. brexiteer unionist doesn't brexiteer no unionist doesn't mean you're you will finish up with deal , which reflects with the deal, which reflects that don't try hard. and, that if you don't try hard. and, you know, i've got to say, if you know, i've got to say, if you look at this, the way in which these negotiations have been the government been approached, the government had an alternative normally , the had an alternative normally, the northern ireland protocol bill and yet it hasn't seen that bill through , the house of lords and through, the house of lords and back into the house commons. that would have been the which would have strengthened the prime minister's hands most because of course he could have said to the eu if we're going to get a deal, which i find acceptable, i've got an alternative . you mentioned boris alternative. you mentioned boris johnson there. what's the nature , the conversations you've been having him behind the having with him behind the scenes ? well mean boris johnson scenes? well mean boris johnson has taken the same view as we have that the protocol bill should be delivered. then the government will have an

alternative and will be able to have strengthened its hands with the eu . that's the extent of the the eu. that's the extent of the conversations that he's had that he he believes the same as we do that the government has to have an alternative. and don't forget , the prime minister has said that he seeks to get the eu what is contained and the protocol bill so that if he has a protocol bill in place he always say to the eu, we'd love to do this by negotiation. we'd love to do this by agreement, but if we can't it by agreement, then as a sovereign nation, we will make decisions about our own country . but are you confident country. but are you confident that he's doing this altruistically in the support of the dup, or is it just for his own political manoeuvring manoeuvring ? has his motives? manoeuvring? has his motives? are not important enough ? what are not important enough? what we need is as much leverage on the government as we possibly can at present time to make a

judgement on his motives. all i'm going to say is that at this point in time, our and his objective seem to coincide. and if that's helped, helps to put pressure on the government to come to the kind of deal which we believe is necessary to save the to union, keep northern ireland as part of the united kingdom, and to ensure that democracy and processes are used to establish laws in northern ireland. then we can work with that. ireland. then we can work with that . okay. thank you very much that. okay. thank you very much for joining me. sammy wilson dup forjoining me. sammy wilson dup mp and chief whip. thank you. thank you. now joining me now. thank you. now joining me now. thank you. now joining me now. thank you . joining me next is thank you. joining me next is baroness jenny chapman, shadow minister for the cabinet office, also attending shadow cabinet. she was once a shadow brexit minister . so she was once a shadow brexit minister. so you're very much into the detail of i'm sure jenny and i have had a number of labour employees your chair labour employees in your chair over of me having over the course of me having done show and never done this show and i've never really answer on really got a straight answer on what solution is to what labour's solution is to this. northern ireland protocol problem. you talk about sitting down with talks , but can we put

down with talks, but can we put some flesh on the bones? how would have negotiated this? would you have negotiated this? well, depends what think the well, it depends what think the problem is. so for us this is all about trade and all about checks on the borders. so we think and i think the deal that's been done now proves this it is possible to eradicate almost all of the checks that are at the moment. we don't think that it's right that it should be more difficult for people to do business between great britain and northern ireland. so we think that can be done. we would add into the mix a deal on at what's an sps agreement or a vetting. we agreement. so looking at sort of food and animal products and, we think that would get rid of some more checks. there's another layer of difficulty here, though, which some people are very, very concerned about, and thatis very, very concerned about, and that is the fact that because northern ireland is part of the single market, still, that there is going to be some sort of relationship between european court of justice and some of the

laws , regulations around laws, regulations around products standards and things that take place. and with content involvement, we don't see how you can have northern ireland in the single market and not have some limited and perhaps with involved meant the northern ireland assembly or northern ireland assembly or northern irish courts as well. but in the end, this is where the honesty needs to come. come in, because it's no good. rishi sunak saying that the ecj will have nothing at all to do with northern ireland and then people like sammy who i have the utmost respect for read the detail and find they've been lied to because that's what's happened before . so what i've done is before. so what i've done is everyone's very straightforward about this on this isn't particularly tenable is it because the only deal that's ever going to work for all sides here is one that diverge from eu involvement and yet it seems to me that the labour's continue with this line having some alignment. the you're happy with alignment. the you're happy with a part of the uk to be ruled by foreign judges, which is to 2%

of the people in northern ireland who voted for unionist parties . so ireland who voted for unionist parties. so how on earth does labour solve this? because if the conservatives can't solve it with a kind of compromise that is less eu involvement. how on earth would you solve it with more? because northern ireland is special , more? because northern ireland is special, it's unique. there is special, it's unique. there is going to be an arrangement that's different . northern that's different. northern ireland and i think most people do understand that . so i guess do understand that. so i guess it's when you say you're going to have northern ireland ruled by the eu, we don't see it like that. there's going to be a limited number of regulations on some in some circumstances some goods in some circumstances that they would need to be ultimately should a complaint ever need go there. decisions would have to be made some that never happened. but when we're talking about tents by labour, the eu have behaved, intransigent and unreasonable in this well we think we think both sides have right it's not really openly critical. well either you have criticism of the government please tell is our job well has the eu behaved you think well we

just think that there just don't think that there should solution should ever been a solution which involved checks which involved having checks great britain and northern ireland to the extent that they have that was never going to sort making it more sort of been making it more difficult needed to be. difficult than it needed to be. do agree with that? oh, i do do you agree with that? oh, i do agree with that. and i think that we've made a lot of progress since then. more progress since then. but more progress since then. but more progress made. but progress needs to be made. but you've got remember , this you've got to remember, this happened. it happened happened. you know, it happened because johnson because boris johnson told the unionist community black , unionist community that black, white. and he said there wouldn't be there wouldn't be forms. he told the business community in northern ireland, they throw forms in they could throw those forms in they could throw those forms in the it was complete. well, the bin. it was complete. well, maybe expecting a bit maybe he was expecting a bit more when he said more reasonableness when he said no across the border, perfectly , he said are and there's never been problem. obviously been any problem. but obviously brussels has wanted to use the protocol as a stick with which to the british mean you to beat the british mean you described an described the protocol as an abomination i believe so. boris johnson he knew johnson said that when he knew what contained . so what the deal contained. so either didn't understand it, either he didn't understand it, in case he shouldn't have in which case he shouldn't have been reassuring about it been reassuring people about it or he did understand it and he was just trying people on

was just trying get people on board and, you know, not being as open about with the truth he should have been. so we just think you've got to get away from all of this. you've to be completely transparent about what is in the deal so what actually is in the deal so that and his colleagues that sammy and his colleagues can make minds up about can make their minds up about it. in the end, it looks it. but in the end, it looks like, is a deal. it looks like a negotiation has produced something and that is good. okay. and let's let's move on to just general politics. so it's quite intrigued by this i saw yesterday of jeremy corbyn at a rally talking about the protagonists in the ukrainian war. it's the first anniversary, obviously this week and of giving some equivalence between ukraine's position and russia's also looked at this video and i thought how could you and i know you're to him and the likes of keir and others sit on man's shadow frontbench helped to propel him to power when . he was propel him to power when. he was clearly completely unsuited to office you were on his frontbench the whole time was leader, but can you regret that 7 leader, but can you regret that ? i regret what happened . i

? i regret what happened. i regret that he was ever leader. but i had to take a decision and that's you know, someone had been elected leader of the labour party and i didn't support that campaign . i backed support that campaign. i backed the candidates twice and he was elected leader . and you've got elected leader. and you've got a choice and you either leave and you decide that you , you know, you decide that you, you know, you're going to go and do something else or you think, okay , this person is leading the okay, this person is leading the labour party today . okay, this person is leading the labour party today. i okay, this person is leading the labour party today . i believe labour party today. i believe the labour party is bigger than this individual and at some point he will no longer be the of the labour party and i wanted to make sure when that point came and in the end it was the election that made. so i mean she did, but i, you know let's be fair. there were lots of us trying shorten period . trying to shorten that period. but that end came, i wanted but when that end came, i wanted there enough people active there to be enough people active in labour party who were in the labour party who were able to get a good candidate , a able to get a good candidate, a good campaign, who thought or thought about what they wanted to that we could actually to do so that we could actually take the labour party back where it needed to be in british politics deserves credit for a

lot of the anti—semitism and we heard today that luciana berger is in the party. yes, we're very pleased about that because you run his campaign, i'd like to ask because you ask you this because you know him be very learned and him to be a very learned and intelligent does he intelligent man. why does he struggle transgender issue? struggle on transgender issue? he goes to scotland this he goes to scotland earlier this week. mention week. he doesn't mention transgender we ask him transgender at all. we ask him a straight question about whether a have penis or not, a woman can have a penis or not, and he can't answer. can you answer it? well, biology woman is an adult. female so i don't know much complicated know how much more complicated want to make. why does the labour with labour leader struggle with these he these issues? i mean, is he running scared or is it because he's got people on twitter he's trying keep happy? what's the trying to keep happy? what's the deal now? look don't have penises are very small penises there are a very small number transgender women who number of transgender women who obviously what obviously do we all know what that's about. i there's lots of it's quite unnecessary argument around some of this people love to ask these questions but it's not that complicated. camilla straight answer straight questions. and i appreciate your straight your wealth question thank you very much jenny chapman now lots more to come on

today's show, including john bolton. be back in bolton. we'll be back in a minute. don't anywhere .

welcome back to the show. thank you for joining welcome back to the show. thank you forjoining me. now earlier this week, i interviewed former national adviser to president trump and ambassador to the un, john from the national army museum in london about the russian invasion of ukraine and his own president ambitions. ambassador bolton , thank you so ambassador bolton, thank you so much for joining ambassador bolton, thank you so much forjoining me now , almost much forjoining me now, almost a year to the day of the russian . what's your view ? nature have . what's your view? nature have done more to have prevented this? well, i think certainly a lot more could have been done to deter the russian attack . the deter the russian attack. the president himself said on several occasions that he didn't think deterrence was possible , think deterrence was possible, that only punishment after the fact was possible. and i think

that's a real contributing factor to the russian decision to invade. i think we have to see it against background of the utterly pathetic american and european response to the first russian invasion of crimea in 2014, which could have convinced any leader in the kremlin that could get away with it again. and i added to that was the catastrophic u.s. and i added to that was the catastrophic us. and nato withdrawal from afghanistan, which unfortunately got a lot of attention, not just in moscow, but beijing as well . there were but beijing as well. there were there were numbers of things that could have been done, including impose easing sanctions on russia . when we saw sanctions on russia. when we saw the troop build up its borders, many people at the time said, well , we sanction the many people at the time said, well, we sanction the russians , well, we sanction the russians, they'll just invade. well they did anyway . we could have been did anyway. we could have been using imposition of sanctions because of the build up, but also, better late than never for failing to sanction russia in

14. we could have put more arm shipments quickly into ukraine, more us and nato forces there to train and assist the ukrainians but no guarantee that any of this would have worked. but but at least if more weapons had been shipped in the ukrainian forces would have been better prepared early on. there was a lot more we could have done just generally, politically, and i think attitude that deterrence wasn't passive will help the russians. mistakenly but helped. convinced convinced the russians they would have an easy job. you use that phrase too little, too late there and biden has been a bit more hawkish this week. but how would you evaluate leadership on this issue ? well, leadership on this issue? well, i think it's had its pluses, but but there have been a lot of minuses. i think has spent entirely too much patting itself on the back . i still think are on the back. i still think are weaknesses in the us position

and among several european countries , even on the actual countries, even on the actual anniversary date of the war, we still hear the american secretary defence say that the statement of the objectives of the war is up to ukraine. i think that feeds into the idea that we've just given ukraine a blank check. i don't think. true but why aren't we willing say what the official position of all nato members actually is? which since i believe december sist, 1991, which since i believe december 31st, 1991, when the soviet union disintegrated, that ukraine and every other newly independent state should be in full control of its territory and have full sovereignty. if that's not our anymore, i'd like to know it. and if it is our position, why can't we stated and then build a strategy to achieve the return of full territorial integrity sovereignty? how much longer do we want the war to go on? should the nato strategy include the provision of fighter jets to

ukraine? it should provided fighter jets to ukraine ukraine? it should provided fighterjets to ukraine on fighter jets to ukraine on february the 25th of 2022. let's be clear where the aggression is . it started with russia's invasion . so what are we holding invasion. so what are we holding back ? do we want to extend the back? do we want to extend the war. we think one year is not enough. we want a longer war. let's face that escalation, obviously, ambassador . well, i obviously, ambassador. well, i wouldn't obviously, i think that's part of our problem . we that's part of our problem. we to deter the russians. they are now deterring us. they the aggression. they committed the escalation as ukraine. they have its hands tied behind back for fear of escalation . and by the fear of escalation. and by the way, where's the russian escalation going to come ? escalation going to come? where's the of russians waiting pounce on a nato country . and by pounce on a nato country. and by the way, if they've got that army, isn't it in ukraine trying do better there just putin's part and yet we have allowed the bluff to impede our delivery of a that in turn has empowered the

ukrainian resistance and prolong the war, prolong the human cost in ukraine and increase the financial costs to all the rest of . but if financial costs to all the rest of. but if ukraine financial costs to all the rest of . but if ukraine doesn't of. but if ukraine doesn't compromise on territory and who can blame them , how does this can blame them, how does this war end with the russian defeat? why that? hard to understand . why that? hard to understand. well, i think because people say there needs be a diplomatic as well as a military solution, perhaps. obviously the ukrainians have done much better than a lot of western analysts predicted. and western world predicted. and the western world is cheering them on for that. but we've had talk this week, even from our defence even from our own defence secretary, that secretary, ben wallace, that this goes for another year urgent years. do urgent saying two years. how do you think this ends? well, why don't we get a strategy , achieve don't we get a strategy, achieve the objectives that nato members say, which is they want restoration of full sovereignty , territorial integrity. if we're not willing to do , why we're not willing to do, why don't we come to grips with . i don't we come to grips with. i just don't understand what's hard to understand . the

hard to understand. the importance of defeating the russians . if nato members want russians. if nato members want to negotiate before the restoration of full territorial integrity and sovereignty, let them say it publicly . let's have them say it publicly. let's have a debate. we're wandering around in a cloud here, which has the effect of benefiting russia. they know they want and now this war is no longer a european war. we've got china very actively involved, perhaps sending weapons directly to russia coming up with a peace plan, which, if you read. it looks evenhanded . the surface clearly evenhanded. the surface clearly benefits russia in its specifics and i say today that although taiwan , for example, is taiwan, for example, is definitely under threat from china, the country most threatened by china today is ukraine. yes. and i suppose people are also asking themselves , is victory in themselves, is victory in ukraine enough ? doesn't putin ukraine enough? doesn't putin also have to be toppled ? and how also have to be toppled? and how can that happen ? well, i think

can that happen? well, i think it's pretty hard to see how we deal with russia that remains under after the war is concluded. and for those who say they want to negotiate with putin to an end, to the war in ukraine. you know what, biden and vice president kamala harris have recently said that the that putin and others are guilty of war and crimes against humanity . how we're going to negotiate with war criminals, for example, about new start treaty strategic weapons limits and peaceful relations in the future . if relations in the future. if people are going to going to take the position that that the russians are war criminals now , russians are war criminals now, there's obviously nothing to negotiate with them about. i know you met with our own former prime minister boris in the week. ambassador if you let us in on your conversation, did he have to say to you? well, i he gave a speech later in the parliamentary debate that day about ukraine and expressed position. we talked a lot . it position. we talked a lot. it he's still very concerned about the situation and i think his

government really was was more forward leaning then than the government of president biden dang government of president biden during his time in office. so again, if you believe that it's important to defend against unprovoked aggression, that it's important to prevail against such to deter the and to deter others later . why are we waiting others later. why are we waiting long to be effective . five years long to be effective. five years or shall we have a five years war? about how about a 13 months more? how bad have better if we start to move up and try and press this to a conclusion? final question on leadership. all you putting your hat in the ring to be next president of the united states. well, i'm considering it a very difficult decision to make . i looked at it decision to make. i looked at it back in 2016. i ultimately decided not to go, but i think it's very that donald trump not be the nominee of the republican party in 2024. i think he can defeated. i'd certainly like to help out in making that happen

and if i think being candidate myself does show a path to getting the nomination and to winning in of next year then then i'll get . thank you very then i'll get. thank you very much joining me. thank you . yes. much joining me. thank you. yes. you didn't mishear that that was john bolton that he was planning to run for president because wanted to stop donald trump , the wanted to stop donald trump, the man to whom he was once national adviser. that's the kind of stories we break on the show, folks, now a lot more to come, including special look behind the scenes at the foreign secretary's visit to the un. and we'll also from ukrainian we'll also hear from ukrainian mp concha rinko on mp alok sharma concha rinko on the first anniversary of the russian of ukraine. russian invasion of ukraine. please tuned .

welcome back . now, before we let

welcome back. now, before we let you know what darren mccaffrey has been getting up to with the foreign secretary, let me just read some gb views here in response to some of the interviews done this morning, we've spoken lord frost. we've spoken to lord frost. we've sammy wilson, we've we've spoken sammy wilson, we've spoken labour's chapman spoken to labour's jenny chapman bill, fear bill, says camilla, i fear northern be dumped northern ireland will be dumped on time sunak. on again, this time by sunak. there'll spin and there'll be lots of spin and flowery words in this deal, flowery words in this new deal, but will still be in but i europe will still be in charge the northern ireland charge with the northern ireland protocol. i think it's outrageous selling part of the outrageous selling part of the out just for a deal. doug says well sammy rebecca says, well done, sammy rebecca says, oh brilliant show. so oh my god, brilliant show. so far. rebecca. some far. thank you, rebecca. some real gems from david real gems gleaned from david frost . fantastic interview. frost. fantastic interview. thank me some hope. thank you. it gave me some hope. an unusual sensation in these times the daily news. she times of the daily news. she also harwood as our also praising tom harwood as our roving reporter on people's roving reporter on the people's panel. then jon says frost panel. and then jon says frost has been so never been has never been so never been elected as an mp. he was obviously not elected to the lords. so is he in a very seedy position and, influential position and, influential position with , no position of power with, no electoral or scrutiny ? electoral support or scrutiny? how does square with how does that square with democratic principles? there you are. you've had say and please

do continue to us at gb views at gb news .uk. now week foreign secretary james cleverly visited the un darren mccaffrey with the foreign secretary and has this exclusive report for gb news one year on from russia's invasion . year on from russia's invasion. six months into the job britain's top diplomats , all britain's top diplomats, all foreign secretary is back at the united nations part of an effort to hold the international coalition together. but frankly, to also deal with a war with no end in sight . this aggression , end in sight. this aggression, russia has been , in large part russia has been, in large part the reason why energy have gone so much that's had a knock on effect for food prices. if this isn't resolved , the costs to us isn't resolved, the costs to us will increase and just us to everyone around world. that's why getting resolution this is so very important. i travelled with james cleverly to new york to see the foreign secretary up close. the back to back meetings

, impromptu chats, speeches and dinners. a relentless timetable as he pushed britain's agenda on the world stage. but domestic issues are never far from the fore, not least of all on the northern ireland protocol, but also in the conservatives. dire ratings and prospects for the next general election opinion polls. i mean, the conservative party, if anything, seems to be getting worse in terms of the lead. how disheartening is that when it seems that increasing numbers of there's probably simply do not want you guys in government anymore? well, the message i've picking up on message that i've picking up on the and looking at the doorstep and looking at the granularity of opinion polls is that labour have spectacularly failed to make the case now. i know that we need to do is demonstrate the british people that we are addressing the issues that they concern about bringing down inflation making sure rates come down, sure interest rates come down, growing the economy , putting growing the economy, putting those and cutting those nhs waiting lists, stopping the small boats . these are the small boats. these are the things that we are relentlessly focussed on and as the british

people success in those areas, i think that they will be reassured that the conservative party , the best party of party, the best party of government. can you give a cast iron guarantee that you're not going to change leader before the next election no matter how bad the polls and i know he's your former boss that there's no way back for boris. so my focus, the prime minister's focus , the prime minister's focus, whole of government is focussed, whole of government is focussed, whole of government is focussed, whole of the parliamentary party's the whole of the party's focus, the whole of the party's focus, the whole of the party and the country's focus is delivering for the british people, getting top of those people, getting on top of those things i said you're things that i that i said you're growing the change in the interest rates. change of interest rates. no change of announcing easy say announcing the nhs. easy to say isn't stopping the small boats and for the british people and that's what the pm and every other government minister should be and indeed often be focussed and indeed often focussed on cleverly has managed to retain cabinet jobs. now under three prime ministers being foreign secretary is one of the biggest jobs in government. an intense job always on the move with . a always on the move with. a massive brief . and how does the

massive brief. and how does the foreign secretary, james cleverly chill, chillax if you chillax? well just sleep is my sleep is my preferred method. but i think, as you know, i've i've i've let the cat out of the bag about my of miniatures and i don't know whether but it's he told my families that he is the best is the best way to relax and with that it is time for home in and out in less than 30 hours. but back to a uk awaiting brexit protocol deal he helped negotiate darren mccaffrey gb news at the un in new york york .thank news at the un in new york york . thank you for that . now we've . thank you for that. now we've got a great generation gap. still to come, david starkey is going to go head to head with rebecca reed, i think half his age on the of this roald dahl censorship rule. but first, this week marked the first anniversary of russia's full scale invasion of ukraine. i spoke ukrainian mp alexi genscher , who was in the centre genscher, who was in the centre of kyiv in front of captured and destroyed russian tanks. i spoke to mr. franco from the national

army museum in london london . army museum in london london. aleksey, thank you very much for joining . look, we're now almost joining. look, we're now almost a year on from russia's. joining. look, we're now almost a year on from russia's . can you a year on from russia's. can you just perhaps talk us through how this has affected personally? i know you're speaking to me as a politician, but you're also a husband and a father of. two sons? yeah first of all, i want to show you the centre of kyiv. that's how putin, though he was thinking that russian tanks will stand here and they are here, but quite another way that he hopes and that something which really shows ukrainian victory and which gives us hope that freedom is stronger than during speaking about . freedom is stronger than during speaking about. i think that was not the best year my life to say that i will still like this now definitely new year ago exactly a year ago my wife woke me up by the cold from odesa. i was in kyiv that she had explosions and

our younger crying and i woke up, i heard the myself and realised that maybe i will never see them again so that something which is very human, which i think in ukraine now some people thought of that moment . so that thought of that moment. so that is hard but that is like it is like it is. so we match . there like it is. so we match. there is that madness. danger and we became stronger . were is that madness. danger and we became stronger. were you surprised by the scale of the attack? i know you had warned your parliamentary colleagues for weeks, if not months in advance, that this might happen. but did the scale you. yes i was considered to be hawkish in ukrainian parliament saying that putin, the attack nothing really happened. but i thought that it will be something in donbas something a smaller scale . i something a smaller scale. i didn't realise like that it will

be like this tank columns move into this is missiles. it is the remains of russian which fall down on my hands. i didn't realise that it will be like this, but it happened exactly like this. you mentioned donbas , obviously the invasion of crimea took place in 2014. was the west too slow to react . the the west too slow to react. the threat from putin? absolutely. people many people are saying that today is like that on february 24. and then earlier in the war. it is not because the war started on february 20, 2014, it's already the year of the full scale invasion of one a yeah the full scale invasion of one a year. and that a full scale invasion would never happen if invasion would never happen if in 2014 there would be monsters . the reaction from the world when putin just violated it international war and destroyed order by crimea. the world was

quite silent . and there is also quite silent. and there is also this silence . so we have all this silence. so we have all today. this silence. so we have all today . what do you mean by that today. what do you mean by that alexei ? i mean, we have a full alexei? i mean, we have a full scale war in the middle of europe. we have the crisis, the worst of the second world war. millions of people displaced in europe, in the uk . millions of people displaced in europe, in the uk. i millions of people displaced in europe, in the uk . i know parts europe, in the uk. i know parts of ukraine, food prices, energy prices, inflation and that is just not even about ukraine because of the people. how do you think that putin can be stopped? putin can be stopped . stopped? putin can be stopped. we stopped him and we showed . to we stopped him and we showed. to do this is to just destroy of this, to stop with the force. that's the only language to understand . deterrence never understand. deterrence never stop . they only can destroy . and stop. they only can destroy. and we should do this . i mean, you we should do this. i mean, you will agree. i hope that britain has been very supportive that we've led the support in europe.

we obviously heard from president zelenskyy a couple of weeks ago in westminster hall calling for english. what would you like to see the uk do and the wider world? i met the prime minister , mr. sunak, just days minister, mr. sunak, just days ago in the munich conference and arranged publicly a question about trident and he said the training ukrainian pilots is start and it was a very good signal in general i want to thank the united kingdom for leadership in support of ukraine really the united kingdom showed leadership out in from johnson and liz truss and our rishi sunak prime ministers changed but the policy and leadership is not change changing that is very inspiring . not change changing that is very inspiring. but today we not change changing that is very inspiring . but today we need inspiring. but today we need more need more heavy weaponry to. finish this work quickly. ben wallace, our own defence secretary this week that he felt that the war ukraine could go on for another year. what's your reaction to that ? i will not reaction to that? i will not make any predictions because i really think nobody knows how long it will take this war to be

finished . but that's in our finished. but that's in our hands. if ukraine will receive more weaponry today, the war will finished sooner. if it will, an incremental way that can last for long, long time . so can last for long, long time. so thatis can last for long, long time. so that is in the hands of western politicians ukrainian army and ukrainian nation showed courage that we are ready to fight man the only thing we are is weaponry . what's your direct weaponry. what's your direct message today to alexi ? message message today to alexi? message is very clear. we need to win this in benefit of the whole world to show that free world is stronger than. any to run for things we need to happen. we needit things we need to happen. we need it now. i'm secretary state antony blinken. as recently warned about the chinese involvement in this that it might be supplying weapons to russia. do you believe that beijing is already providing support and what should the west do about it? i don't know . i do about it? i don't know. i hope that china would be stopped

from supply end of things. i'm sure. that china and we know that china is one of the ways economical survival of russia . i economical survival of russia. i think that also chinese russia with some spare parts and other things which can be double use both in civilian and military aims is china providing russia with weaponry ? i don't know for with weaponry? i don't know for the moment. i don't evidence and ihope the moment. i don't evidence and i hope that you will not happen and i hope our allies and partners will help to prevent . partners will help to prevent. and can we have word about the resilience of the ukrainian people? we've seen some polling over here which suggests that morale is high, that you determined to be able to win this war. what have you learned about your own country? people the course of the last 12 months? that's a great question . that's, i think, the most important happened with ukrainians . we found this power ukrainians. we found this power inside us the to fight for our

country. the power never to give up and that is very inspiring. that's why i'm so proud today to call myself and to rebuild. i know we've spoken this in the past, this notion that you can perhaps this dreadful, tragic day to rebuild ukraine in a different way in a in a way that perhaps defies everything that you've been through over the last 12 months. absolutely that's what we should do. we shouldn't build ukraine. we shouldn't build ukraine. we should new ukraine. first should build new ukraine. first of all, here in our hands. you know, a country which will be a leader, country which will be a frontline unit of the free world, country , reach millions world, country, reach millions of our displaced people who want to come . that is the objective to come. that is the objective for generations. for my generation , even for next generation, even for next generation. but should do this . generation. but should do this. alexi concha, renko, thank very much indeed forjoining . thank .

much indeed forjoining. thank. well, we've got a cracking gap still to come. but first, let's go back to tom harwood, who's in leicester for our people's panel. what are the people of leicester saying to tom? well, camilla, it's been a fascinating show so far, but let's kick off with what lord frost saying about that negotiation, about that potential new deal covering northern. we didn't quite get to you at the end of the segment. so first of all, what do you make of the sort of politics around potential deal? i'm actually quite frustrated, to be honest, with tom. i feel that as a as a united kingdom, we're being , in a a as a united kingdom, we're being, in a sense, for the that was made back few years now. and there's been no progress. i don't think this far i don't think is an fault. i think it's , you know, the fault of the people, the eu. i think their commissioners as a country for

what the decision was made. and jenny, do you agree with that? and do you think that potentially there might be progress now made? i totally agree with what jay has just said. and i think, yes, there will be some progress. i think rashid's fairly young and new to politics, but he's extremely enthusiastic . politics, but he's extremely enthusiastic. he has a good business head on him. i think we are in a pair of safe hands at the moment. it's interesting this wrangling over northern ireland can seem so technical and seem so sort of touch for much of the country. do you think it's an important electoral issue ? well, as electoral issue? well, as a constitutional. i think the idea in principle of our union and kind of our strength on the international stage in negotiation, whether we've got a strong hand or we can't go forward, is important. so i think to a lot of voters, domestic issues are going to be more significant. but this year has impact on all of us, has an impact on all of us, whether be checks , you know, whether it be checks, you know, in the irish sea or whether that may be some more hard border. and future of the

and also what the future of the union. looks in or 20 union. looks like in ten or 20 years. it's interesting because lord frost , camilla, that the lord frost, camilla, that the biggest single there is the imposition of eu law without consent of the people of northern ireland. suppose listening to lord frost what he says potentially tomorrow , if says potentially tomorrow, if this deal is announced, then could be really, really important in terms of whether or not parliament backs the deal, whether or not we see resignations, whether or not this all blows in the face of rishi sunak . absolutely. and rishi sunak. absolutely. and let's remember all this. there's the people of northern are being used as puppets by even side of this. and it's not fair. and i don't like that one bit. i've got friends and people in northern ireland in need the security and the i guess just the knowing of what is going to happen next right this minute that people's lives at stake. and i don't that one bit so it's interesting listening of course to jenny for the for the labour side this morning adam you said that she sounded actually quite

reasonable. yeah i think look, this is an issue that's going to be resolved with all parties, not just the conservatives, not just the dup, although i think having the consent and the support of the northern irish parties is paramount in any negotiation. but i think it's important you to important we bring, you know, to a extent into alignment a certain extent into alignment on some. i think the, you know, let's be honest, we're not going to be that far apart on things like food standards. i'm sure, you our friends over you know, our our friends over in france , germany, not in france, germany, they're not going far apart us. going to be that far apart us. so i think there is scope so i think when there is scope for of alignment to , for some sort of alignment to, ease or regulatory ease checks or regulatory issues, i think that is something we can do and i think if that's labour posing maybe the concept should take on board isn't always necessarily a bad idea to steal from the opposition. well, really interesting there. thank interesting stuff there. thank you adam, and you so much, adam, jenny andj here from chuck berry cafe here from the chuck berry cafe leicester. back to you. camilla great job. thank you very much and thanks very much to the panel enlightening stuff now on to our generation gap debate which this week we've had two

stories haven't we, dominating agenda. we've had and agenda. we've had brexit and then wrong doll then we've had the wrong doll story. i'm going to asking story. so i'm going to be asking my panellists, this my panellists, is this censorship of literary classics a sign of cultural vandalism? censorship of literary classics a sign of cbyural vandalism? censorship of literary classics a sign of cby the vandalism? censorship of literary classics a sign of cby the dr.idalism? censorship of literary classics a sign of cby the dr. david]? i'm joined by the dr. david starkey, who is going to argue i'm sure that it is. i'm also joined by rebecca reed, author and agree and broadcast. we can agree without being to your ages that there a generation here huge there is a generation here huge , huge, huge enough now. david, kick us off because we've now got another story telegraph this morning suggesting that some ian fleming's books are now being edhed fleming's books are now being edited and maybe that's right, because it's different to the dahl situation there was some racially very dodgy in there but as a general rule, should we be censoring children's books ? it censoring children's books? it depends on the children's book. i mean. remember, you used a word in your introduction, which is the key word . what a classic is the key word. what a classic mean . most books die. most books mean. most books die. most books are think your books and my books will almost certainly die. they are things of the moment when you take when you call

something a classic you mean it's worth reprinting ? it's it's worth reprinting? it's worth surviving because . it is worth surviving because. it is an object out there . and it's an object out there. and it's for you, the reader , to adjust for you, the reader, to adjust to the classic , not for the to the classic, not for the classic to you. that's why we revive the culture of the ancient world with the original classics. it's when you talk about classical music . and about classical music. and again, i think that the really important thing is, do see books just as another commercial product . you know, we've got product. you know, we've got boy, i mean , i read a lovely boy, i mean, i read a lovely thing that you did about coffee and diet coke is it simply a question of i prefer coffee to dark cocoa. i prefer dark . question of i prefer coffee to dark cocoa. i prefer dark. is it not the consumer product ? it is. not the consumer product? it is. if a book is just another consumer, you know what? it doesn't matter. depends what you think. it is, what its purpose is. what's the purpose of getting child to read? yes i think the difficulty is that a child doesn't have full a full context when a child reads

something particularly if they don't have parents who are involved, who would that to have with them? there a sort loco with them? there is a sort loco parentis from the publisher parentis role from the publisher to make that they're able to make sure that they're able to make sure that they're able to that way and i'm to read that in a way and i'm not a huge in safe spaces for adults, but for children, particularly with children without explain in ways it is without to explain in ways it is easily be really is a child doesn't have a parent to explain going to be given role of doll no that because they're in the library at school they are available everywhere types of jobs but surely in that case it's job of the teacher. the idea that you have a sensitivity reader in loco parental . idea that you have a sensitivity reader in loco parental. i mean what an absurd notion . is it what an absurd notion. is it different if it's a librarian at school, it's a publisher. it's still somebody making a decision about how children should contact contextualised reading. ultimately somebody has to be responsible. the old in a blyton books have language in that would be basically illegal to say to somebody. now we have to accept some books be accept that some books to be adapted, particularly with racial that isn't racial language that isn't wouldn't to say wouldn't be more honest to say let's abandon them all this is

what all this is about. so you've conceded my case. you're saying a book is simply a product? yeah, i fully agree . i product? yeah, i fully agree. i do think that. well, then in case we can abandon the discussion that all that we think, then reading is, is a form of child . it is no more form of child. it is no more than giving the child sweets. i think reading is a challenge. i think reading is a challenge. i think the reason you are here and i think the reason i'm here is that we want to challenge have repeatedly challenged in childhood and the whole point about good children's books like doll is that they challenge they're not pop that they're not just diet coke you want to feed your child diet coke you want defeat. they want to see you. you want to get much older. you want to feed your child. the equivalent mcdonald's, that's exactly i am saying i am not the kind of parent who does that sort of like, oh, she sent me and she's reading it. that's not me. i think reading be me. i think reading should be enjoyable should be fun. enjoyable it should be fun. there challenging high there is no challenging high minded. i you reads. minded. i mean, you see reads. do any place challenge? do you see any place challenge? do you see any place challenge? do you see any place challenge? do you see any do you see

challenge? should adult read the child ? child, shouldn't a child child? child, shouldn't a child above all be going to a parent and saying explain ? i think i'd and saying explain? i think i'd be right. i think i've been told this is a naughty word. wouldn't it make much more sense rather than suppressing , i've been told than suppressing, i've been told it's an of course they've been told this that that can respond. i mean, i think as well, dr. starkey makes this point . some starkey makes this point. some of the stuff that was edited out was pretty harmless. you know, i don't understand why it's a problem for children to see depictions of witches wearing wigs and difficult fingers . all wigs and difficult fingers. all fairy stories , all fairy. fairy stories, all fairy. rebecca, unless you want to aboush rebecca, unless you want to abolish you know, everything that's interesting. single fairy story has been to . changed make story has been to. changed make it more appropriate for children with you do not with every generation you do not read moment you do read at the moment you do currently read children stories where cinderella's sisters cut their meat carver, their toes with a meat carver, which what happened which is exactly what happened in kitchen. all of which is exactly what happened inthey kitchen. all of which is exactly what happened inthey and

who can contextualise, you can absolutely to have absolutely allow them to have some some fear. but you some gore and some fear. but you don't know which child is reading it. and realistically, everything. well, one of these stories, that's the oral traditions change with traditions stories change with every jump every child brings. david, jump in maxim . then you could in on that maxim. then you could be saying yourself, okay, be saying to yourself, okay, well, maybe we shouldn't have cinderella because might cinderella because it might offensive blended. offensive to kids from blended. you got wicked you know it's got the wicked stepmother and the people i see people with clubbed feet like me. it's very difficult put on a glass slipper, but me just tell me just tell me me to read snow white. can't we just consent base? sorry. what i would absolutely avoid snow white on the basis i think kissing and passed out person is completely inappropriate. would inappropriate. i or i would read it i have the conversation it and i have the conversation would be like just so you know, you're passed people you're passed out, people shouldn't be kissing you. i mean, this not consenting mean, is this not consenting consenting ? but this is why this consenting? but this is why this is this this this is and is this is this is this is and it's pathetic . and you are on it's pathetic. and you are on the side of , the puritans. the side of, the puritans. you're a new bowdler . you are you're a new bowdler. you are new poll the fourth wanted to go and stick on you so she was

shamed of it isn't you isn't she also generation which is simply and frightened and suppressing and frightened and suppressing and puritan call. i thought we i think my answer that i mean i thought we many years this so i we're puritan you're just a purist and i worry with you there was cycle of parasitism some generations more conservative than others and that has always been the case. it's moved from generations , it's moved from generations, generation. however, i would say not being puritanical because i would children be able would like children to be able to stories without to read stories without absorbing dangerous absorbing incredibly dangerous messages with no one to unpack it them what's it, them to find what's incredibly dangerous. in, for instance, the twits. i mean, incredibly dangerous would be overstating it, but in the twits there is a whole passage about how if you are a nice person, you will have a nice and look nice. and if you're a bad person, you'll be ugly. that is a pretty toxic to say to children that people aren't children that people who aren't facial are inherently facial pleasing are inherently bad not is bad people. that's not great, is it? is stop reading . it? that is just stop reading. dahl but that's really because know reason what you should be

doing. should be writing doing. you should be writing exact only like diet coke. it wants be sweet wants to be wants be sweet it wants to be pink it wants to be absolutely safe . it wants to leave children safe. it wants to leave children with no thoughts . that's the with no thoughts. that's the much interesting question . much more interesting question. do you are keen do you feel you are keen censorship just for children ? censorship just for children? wouldn't you like to see everything censored? would would you give your looks every time everyone believes in sensitive children, nobody is saying to children, nobody is saying to children, that's what pulp fiction. everybody believes a certain level. and what about reading bible? like what about obviously self—fulfilling because it's so boring children don't what about think don't care. what about think many children have to read and many children have to read and many more have to read the koran and the has got much more and the koran has got much more shocking things than what you will see with what do you must believe in some form of censorship. children. but i'm asking i'm asking you a serious question. i was you would you do would you want you are wanting to censor little stories by dahl what about the things in the koran what about the condemnation homosexuality of

jews of christians. what about the notion of murder in the course of the faith no think children that children are compelled to read that really quick response because we shouldn't be censored or it be censored. rebecca i do think that all who are exposed to religion should be given an encounter and should be given it an koran censored . i an on the koran censored. i think this has become intellectually at this point we like some intellectual honesty. we also like some good banter from both of you. it's been brilliant. thank you so much for don't michael portillo is don't forget michael portillo is back at 11 just in a jiffy. i'll back at 11 just in a jiffy. i'll back at 11 just in a jiffy. i'll back at 930 next week. i'll see you then. i'm rees—mogg, the member of for , parliament north member of for, parliament north east somerset and a former government minister. for years i've walked the corridors of power in both westminster and, the city of london. i campaigned in democratic vote in the largest democratic vote in the largest democratic vote in ireland story. i know this country so much to be proud of. we need to the arguments, we need to have the arguments, the discussions on how make the discussions on how we make it better, the wisdom the nation the discussions on how we make it intter, the wisdom the nation the discussions on how we make it in its', the wisdom the nation the discussions on how we make it in its people sdom the nation the discussions on how we make it in its people vox�*n the nation the discussions on how we make it in its people vox populi. ation the discussions on how we make it in its people vox populi. vox1

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good morning . welcome to sunday good morning. welcome to sunday with michael portillo bringing you good conversation . arts and you good conversation. arts and entertainment, ethical dilemmas and a sense of the ridiculous two. an agreement between european union and the united kingdom over northern ireland is imminent . will there be imminent. will there be a restoration of devolved government in the province or a political crash if the democratic unionist party

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