welcome to gloria maze . first up welcome to gloria maze. first up is former concert cabinet minister chloe smith. i think we need less of the psychodrama and more of more focusing on what people need us to do. we meet the mums whose children were murdered in the manchester arena bombing . the campaigning on the bombing. the campaigning on the right to register their children's deaths . this is not children's deaths. this is not actually about the inquiry . children's deaths. this is not actually about the inquiry. this is about our children who have

died. and we as parents feel very strongly about being able to do this. it's former labour cabinet minister charlie faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it , faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it, rosie. faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it , rosie. she faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it, rosie. she has . she shouted it, rosie. she has. she has got. she has express a very legitimate view about women, not feeling safe and people should not be shouting all of us after your news . hello not be shouting all of us after your news. hello emma pattison. here's the latest from the gb news room. the president of the european commission will visit the uk tomorrow to continue talks with the prime minister over the northern ireland protocol. in a statement released by number 10, they said rishi sunak and ursula von der leyen will continue attempts to find practical solutions to challenges resulting from the post—brexit trading arrangements . t shock leo varadkar has welcomed the news deep . he has welcomed the news deep. he has

refused to form an executive at stormont in protest over the current brexit deal . former current brexit deal. former trade secretary liam fox says he'll support the new post—brexit deal if it's an improvement. he also expects fellow tory mps and the dup's to do the same . you will also be do the same. you will also be willing to see restrictions diminished again in the hope that over time some of them might disappear. i think the hope that the european union and would give up entirely on european law applying to some elements of northern ireland is unlikely given what the british government conceded in the protocol. but we can make progress on that, and i think the both sides will want to see the both sides will want to see the northern ireland assembly up and running because that's the best guarantee to political stability and a reduction in violence . at least 58 people, violence. at least 58 people, including children, have died after a ship got into difficulties off of italy's south coast. it's reported that the boat left from turkey and was carrying migrants from

somalia, pakistan and afghanistan . so far, 27 bodies afghanistan. so far, 27 bodies have been found on a beach in the southern region of calabria and more were found in the water after the boat crashed against rocks during rough sea weather. 81 people have survived . 22 of 81 people have survived. 22 of them are in hospital . police in them are in hospital. police in northern ireland have been granted more time to question a suspect in the attempted murder of an off duty officer in omagh . the 43 year old was arrested on friday after detective chief inspector john caldwell was shot at a sports centre. he's one of six men taken into custody in county tyrone. officers believe that the attack was terrorist related . it social housing related. it social housing managers will be required to study for qualification tions to drive up standards following the death of a two year old boy. our other ishak died in december of 2020 from a respiratory condition caused by mould at his home in rochdale. housing secretary michael gove announced

the response after acknowledging that social housing residents are being inexcusably let down. housing expert richard blanco says the move should protect vulnerable tenants, but there's still more needed to be done. one of my concerns is this know, i want i want this to trickle down to front line housing officers because they're often the ones that's going out and doing the visits. and indeed, i'd like to see more visits because what we've found since covid is that a lot of the work has been done remotely, and housing offices have not been going out enough to actually meet tenants see with their meet tenants and see with their own what's going on. and own eyes what's going on. and the popular beach in norfolk could be closed for decades , could be closed for decades, according to locals, after cliff erosion made the area unsafe . erosion made the area unsafe. the beach at hemsby , near great the beach at hemsby, near great yarmouth, has lost more than ten feet of land in just two days. like lifeboat crew have had to close the shore over safety concerns . local businesses are concerns. local businesses are warning that there will be significantly impact it as the

beach is their main source of income during the summer. they are calling on the government to step in and help. on tv, online and on dab+ radio. this is gb news will have more news at the top of the next hour . top of the next hour. chloe smith, former cabinet minister, just 40 years old. the sunny down at the next election . why percival? it's great to be with you, gloria, and lovely to see you after your time in parliament as well. i think for me actually it's just come at a natural point in my own personal life . i've had two children, one life. i've had two children, one in parliament and around a breast cancer, quite a busy few years and i'm really pleased actually to have been able to make the range of contribution that i have all the way up to

cabinet, as you say, on the issues that i can most deeply about, i'm really lucky to have been able to make a contribution on the things passionate on the things i'm passionate about. actually then about. and so actually then i think have moment for think you have a moment for reflection and it will be the right family and for right time for my family and for me turn to fresh challenges me to turn to fresh challenges after next election. do you after the next election. do you know fresh challenges know what those fresh challenges might well, i really hope to might be? well, i really hope to continue on passions, continue on these passions, actually. so talking about the labour market, how help labour market, how to help businesses people into businesses get people into vacancies, help those vacancies, how to help those people find the opportunities that they need as of that. that they need as part of that. also the work i've done on disability employment , these are disability employment, these are all the things actually i care most about and i hope to have a chance to do them in different ways. you know, it's important to do them from the government, the service side, but the public service side, but also the private also from the private sector side you make a big side. you can make a big difference, think in those difference, i think in all those ways to carry on, ways and i hope to carry on, carry on doing more like her. so we've budget coming up on we've got a budget coming up on the march and those the the 15th of march and those the sort of things want to see, sort of things you want to see, jeremy tackle. do have jeremy hunt tackle. do you have any ideas about how we might

tackle them in the budget? yes, certainly. he gets this. certainly. and he he gets this. he's of he's been really clear. of course, one of his e's in the speeches he's recently given. thatis speeches he's recently given. that is for employment. and it's really critical that we resolve these problems , actually, in the these problems, actually, in the british economy , of course, british economy, of course, they're not unique only to britain. these are happening also economies around the also in economies around the globe, very tight globe, namely a very tight labour relatively low labour market, relatively low unemployment rates , but actually unemployment rates, but actually high rates of what we call economic inactivity . in other economic inactivity. in other words, people who have felt these challenges actually that are stopping them finding work, many want to find work nonetheless. so jeremy's challenge , which i'm right challenge, which i'm right behind him on, is to find ways to help people be healthy or to be able to be in work, notwithstanding a health condition or a disability , to be condition or a disability, to be able to handle childcare or other caring responsibilities . other caring responsibilities. there's a section of this as well that is about encouraging older workers back into the workforce . all of these policy workforce. all of these policy that you think that you know, because we all know the

challenges and he's talked about the challenges of reducing, you know, he just do that, know, if he could just do that, that would that would make a difference. i could see how that particular work. particular policy could work. well, really big, ambitious well, the really big, ambitious radical, actually would be radical, what actually would be getting help people getting the nhs to help people into there's various into work. and there's various components you look for as part of that. for example , helping of that. for example, helping gp's to have a more practical conversation with people about managing work when a problem managing at work when a problem first presents itself . but i first presents itself. but i think actually there's a kind of surrogate ring of work surrogate ring piece of work that jeremy his that that jeremy and his obviously in various obviously colleagues in various departments could do to really crack this at the same time as supporting the nhs to do everything else that we need it to. so you got elected to parliament when you were 27 year old. do you think it was too young ? i think on reflection, young? i think on reflection, yes , it was. it was young , yes, it was. it was young, hardly the youngest. of course, it's that's been thoroughly beaten since in terms of records andindeed beaten since in terms of records and indeed back in history as well with with others, you know,

in their early twenties . but the in their early twenties. but the truth , you then have to truth is, you you then have to wrap early, get into a set of, you know, set of challenges, set a responsibility, set of service as what we do in parliament. i think there's one really important argument, think there's one really important argument , though, that important argument, though, that perhaps overlooked, perhaps gets overlooked, which is have people from is we need to have people from all walks life in politics, all walks of life in politics, representative democracy actually works. if you have people from every section of , of people from every section of, of life. and that must include young people as well as older of course. so i think when i first got elected, i gave myself that challenge that others have have said before me, which is, you know, if you're good enough, you're and you should you're old enough and you should be able to provide be here to be able to provide perhaps of a role perhaps something of a role model to other young people to encourage be involved in encourage them to be involved in democracy but since democracy as well. but since that of course, i've spent that time, of course, i've spent 13, 14 years doing the full range of roles in in parliament and in government. and i think it's fair to say, as i've i've grown my grown my skills and made some serious contributions

. what's the most challenging .what's the most challenging thing about being 27 and in parliament? one of them is, of course, actually the social aspects. so when i first arrived, actually in my party, the next young compared to me was ten years old, which puts you in an unusual position in terms of your team, in terms of youn terms of your team, in terms of your, you know, the work force that you're part of. but i think fundamentally, actually, what you need to remember that you need to remember is that it's people who it's about the people who elected to be the. so if elected you to be the. so if they have confidence in the experience that you can offer, the skills that you can offer, the skills that you can offer, the things you say you're going to do your constituents, to do for your constituents, then know , then their choice then you know, then their choice holds. and i was absolutely right to chosen by an right to be chosen by an original times original five times in a marginal seat. you know, that's quite quite a run , quite a quite a long run, although you could also say we've had too many elections in the in that 30 year period. tell me about your mum and dad, the influence they on influence that they had on you entering parliament. quite a powerful influence . so my mum powerful influence. so my mum was a teacher and came from a line of teachers actually

between her and also my dad's side. my father's a cabinet maker. now that's not a word you hear around very often, and it almost lends itself to saying that i was able to, you know, go from being cabinet makers daughter to cabinet, which from being cabinet makers dau he's' to cabinet, which from being cabinet makers dau he's tickled cabinet, which from being cabinet makers dau he's tickled aboutet, which from being cabinet makers dau he's tickled aboutet, much i'm he's tickled about as much as but i think what i as i am. but i think what i learnt from my parents were without a doubt those values of hard work. you know, you see how teachers you see how teachers work and you see how hard running his hard a person who's running his own doing the design hard a person who's running his own doing doing the design hard a person who's running his own doing the»ing the design hard a person who's running his own doing the making design hard a person who's running his own doing the making workn hard a person who's running his own doing the making work , you work, doing the making work, you know, showed me that, know, they, they showed me that, that pattern. and i'm really grateful for that. and i think also that kind of idea of craftsmanship comes well, craftsmanship comes out as well, particularly on my on dad's particularly on my on my dad's side, which you can then reflect in politics. it's a different kind of work, but you still need attention to detail. you need to be forensic . you need to be able be forensic. you need to be able to sure you producing the to make sure you producing the thing that's going to work. so i've always tried to those i've always tried to keep those values. working back, values. i'm just working back, actually. so you're 27. when you got elected, did you meet your husband while you were an mp? yes is that tricky? so you have

to reveal too much of the personal nature. but it's hard to date, right? got you're dating. it is. to date, right? got you're dating. it is . you got it. yeah dating. it is. you got it. yeah you're not going to get me any more than that. i mean, not going to tell me where you met. so is political is the word actually is already in the pubuc actually is already in the public domain? i asked him to marry me, which is a nice twist. no, we met through mutual friends and actually, i was. i was . we fell in love quite was. we fell in love quite quickly and got, got, got, got going into a, you know, a lovely relationship. and two children came along, as i as i say. so, yeah, you know, all these family years have also occurred while i've been in them, while i've beenin i've been in them, while i've been in parliament. and you mentioned earlier that you were diagnosed with breast cancer that was in 2020 when you were 38 years old. i are you good? i am. thank you for asking. yeah, i am. and it's extraordinary to me, actually, that you can go from having something really serious to being hale and hearty. i mean, that is amazing. so it's a big thank you to

obviously all the nhs doctors obviously to all the nhs doctors , along the , nurses that helped along the way , sadness in there as way, the sadness in there as well because others are not so lucky. and in actual fact i have just lost an indirect family member to cancer as well. you know, we think about all those people who who aren't so, so fortunate and the answer to that is to make sure you check the signs. and i think it's really helpful if we you know, helpful if we can, you know, repeat at every repeat that at every opportunity. see, i, i took that view on, actually own view early on, actually my own diagnosis that i've got a platform from which to speak and i encourage, in i can use that to encourage, in this case, women to check their breasts, but actually anybody to check to make check for anything to make sure you're early signs. so you're on top of early signs. so you're on top of early signs. so you are on the backbenches . you you are on the backbenches. you will notice because of the length of the time that you've beenin length of the time that you've been in parliament, there's a lot of these groups in the conservative party a lot of different mp is assembling together to campaign for particular issues . it's quite particular issues. it's quite it's quite unusual actually . the

it's quite unusual actually. the number certainly is unusual. can you have a party discipline when you have a party discipline when you have a party discipline when you have so many different groups campaigning for so many different things? well, i certainly hope so. and you know, my message, if anything, would be to come together be that we need to come together at point, because at this point, because there's a heck of lot still to deliver heck of a lot still to deliver that the public depending on that the public is depending on us to do. and that's our job as continue campaigns. continue in campaigns. but as this larger team and in government , crucially and i government, crucially and i think the prime minister is absolutely right, by the way, to have set out the five priorities that he has. those are very much the ones that i hear from. i can citizens and that i think people want to want to fixed and want to want to see fixed and got soi want to want to see fixed and got so i mean, really i got right so i mean, really i would i encourage would i would encourage colleagues together colleagues to come together behind agenda to support behind that agenda to support rishi as our aside from minister right at the moment, we're talking in terms of whether there can be a solution to the remaining problems with the northern ireland protocol. drawing on experience as a

former northern ireland office minister and as minister for the constitution and devolution for actually a span of about ten years, these are really important issues. they matter. they matter hugely because you need to have a firm foundation in your constitution . you need in your constitution. you need to be able to make sure that all parts of the united kingdom can work together. and just going back the point about jobs and back to the point about jobs and the economy, you know, there is an important element as an important element here as well, which that we want well, which is that we want to see this case northern see in this case northern ireland flourishing and people see in this case northern irela|to flourishing and people see in this case northern irela|to be urishing and people see in this case northern irela|to be inshing and people see in this case northern irela|to be inshingand people see in this case northern irela|to be inshingand with3le able to be in jobs and with goods trading opportunities. that's what it all boils down to. i think the prize is to. so i think the prize is clear and we need to be able to unite behind a good solution to it. the former chancellor george osborne, said the other day, bofis osborne, said the other day, boris johnson wants to bring down rishi sunak by criticising potential changes to the northern ireland's protocol . northern ireland's protocol. jacob rees—mogg, former cabinet minister . jacob rees—mogg, former cabinet minister. also this week saying

that rishi sunak's handle or his attempt to get a new deal, he's making some of the mistakes that theresa may did over brexit. it doesn't sound like it's very helpful. these interventions don't sound very helpful . i don't sound very helpful. i mean, again , i would repeat the mean, again, i would repeat the point. i think i think there's very clearly a job to do here. i think if we are wise , we can think if we are wise, we can learn from the times of change that we've lived to actually in politics. we have absolutely lived through a time of change with unfortunately multiple prime ministers, but actually , prime ministers, but actually, moreover, multiple challenges from brexit through the pandemic , through to the aftermath of that. now we live in pretty tumultuous times . we do best if tumultuous times. we do best if we can pull ourselves together and get things done in that time of change. so i think we need less of the psychodrama and more of focusing on what people of more focusing on what people need us to do . final question , need us to do. final question, have you , as a woman in

have you, as a woman in politics, this is misogyny is sexism is it is it institutionally part of the job? no in my experience, it has not been so that in my personal experience , that has not been experience, that has not been a an issue i've had to struggle with. i'm very glad about that. obviously, that's a good thing to be able to say. and i certainly hope it's true. now, for all the girls and young women who after us, after women who come after us, after you me, served in you and me, i've served in politics. want more great politics. we want more great women able come into women to be able to come into politics indeed great all politics and indeed great all sorts people as well. sorts of other people as well. as earlier, what we need as i said earlier, what we need that spectrum. but the other thing i could out is that thing i could point out is that actually fully half of the recent ministers now recent prime ministers have now been have we finally been women have we finally reached where gender reached the point where gender is no bar for achievement? i certainly hope we have chloe smith , it's a pleasure. smith, it's been a pleasure. thank you . coming up, the mums thank you. coming up, the mums campaigning to register their children's deaths. that's all i want to do . that to me will want to do. that to me will begin my grief and process.

coming up, former labour cabinet minister charlie faulkner. the consequence of the war on drugs is a lot of people have become addicted to a whole variety of drugs .

i'm jacob rees—mogg , the member i'm jacob rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset and a former government minister. for years i've walked the corridors of power in both westminster city of westminster and the city of london . campaigned in the london. i campaigned in the largest democratic vote in ireland i know this ireland story. i know this country has so much to be proud of. we need to have the arguments, discussions on how we make the of make it better, the wisdom of the nation is in its people. vox popuu the nation is in its people. vox populi , vox day. that's why i'm populi, vox day. that's why i'm joining the people's channel. join me monday and thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's news . channel i have repeatedly raised the anguish that my constituents, the parents of

chloe rutherford and liam curry are going through . chloe and are going through. chloe and liam were murdered in the manchester arena terror attack . manchester arena terror attack. our key law in relation to terror attacks prevents my constituents and all other grieving parents from registering their precious children's death. instead the registration will be done by a registrar, a complete stranger to the family. i first raised this in march with the home office and the ministry of justice. hello, lisa and caroline. nice to meet you in real life. we chat on the phone before. hi, emma. real life. we chat on the phone before. hi, emma . good to see before. hi, emma. good to see you too . we joined also by mr. you too. we joined also by mr. and mrs. hurley , who we're not and mrs. hurley, who we're not going to chat to say because they don't want to, but they want to be here to support you and you're all going to a meeting. we're going to talk about a moment. but first of about in a moment. but first of all, lisa , caroline, whichever all, lisa, caroline, whichever one of you wants to start. tell me what happened to your family

on may the 20th second. 2017. so i'm chloe, rutherford's mum and caroline is leo kearse mum and we lost our children. they were murdered in the manchester arena bombing . on the 22nd of may bombing. on the 22nd of may 2017. 22 people lost their lives and we're here today because we have been well, it's been implied that we're not able to be part of their deaths to forget which we have spoke out before . and it's something that before. and it's something that we feel passionate about is all the last thing we can do for our children and it's been a long time. it'll be six years in may and this has gone on a long time. we have only been able to sort of come in and discuss this sort of come in and discuss this sort of come in and discuss this sort of thing in the last few years because we didn't or we got an interim death certificate

. when you give birth to a child, you get that choice. whether you register that birth or not. if you haven't registered it within the six weeks, the state register is for you. why is not that option not given to us to register that the deaths that i gave birth to liam. so therefore that responsibility lies with me. i understand the legalities that a coroner, because of the william died , the coroner must register died, the coroner must register the cause of death. i understand that. no but it's such a simple tweak to be able to say, would the families like to be involved? all i want to do is give his details. his name is address my name as at the informant. that's all i want to do . that to me will begin my do. that to me will begin my grieving process . so why why grieving process. so why why should a bureaucratic away from

me as a parent? should a bureaucratic away from me as a parent ? i think the word me as a parent? i think the word is choice . we understand that is choice. we understand that some people may may be quite happy for the process to take its course , but for us it's its course, but for us it's about having a choice . and i about having a choice. and i know this with the families like we have with us today , who who we have with us today, who who would like that choice ? and it would like that choice? and it seems like we've been told it's quite a small tweak to be done . quite a small tweak to be done. and now we're in a position where this has been being talked about for too long and we are actually having the final report next week. i know. i know. i'm going to ask you about and that's quite an important date because we are under the understanding that this all changes once that happens . so changes once that happens. so we're now up against it. changes once that happens. so we're now up against it . and we're now up against it. and what do you mean all changes won't work because the receive the final report of the public inquiry is published next week. as you say. what changes when thatis as you say. what changes when that is published? what we were told was once inquiries finished, that's the death finished, that's when the death certificate with. certificate will be dealt with. and person and only

and you haven't person and only when me and position. when the when me and position. okay really important okay that's really important point. nobody has point. so currently nobody has registered no . that deaths registered no. that deaths because it is subject to an inquiry. exactly and you want to be sure that when that day comes. yes you will be able to register . yeah. chloe and register. yeah. chloe and liam's. so our questions today will be, you know, why or where are you now with the process from the days away ? i mean, what from the days away? i mean, what makes you fresh ? they're sure makes you fresh? they're sure there and pay you raised this loads and part about what was what's the pushback i mean i'm losing my patience with various ministers . this is our third ministers. this is our third ministerial meeting. now, how many times, at least on caroline have to tell their story and, you know, this isn't this is very difficult stuff to talk about. and they're having to constantly repeat their story to different ministers and being given false hope. you know, it's about political will, isn't it? you know, the government are now saying that this simply isn't the time. well, every state

nearly over a year ago and they rushed through with a bit of legislation we've just seen in recent times, you know, the coronavirus knocked nearly 350 pages. they got that done in seven days. there's been multiple changes to the births, deaths and registration act already over recent years because the two walk through in 1926 and 1953, the clearly not really fit for purpose anymore. so again , they've changed these so again, they've changed these acts already in recent years. it's about the political will for me. i'm getting quite angry and frustrated that they're not doing this because they could do this if they wanted to. the government set parliament free time. they can find the time to do this. nobody in the house would object to this. there is no mp is going to stand no body, no mp is going to stand up parliament and say, i'm up in parliament and say, i'm sorry, we're not letting you change these families. change that for these families. it happen.so it wouldn't happen. so it's a simple of finding simple case of finding a parliament. we trying to it parliament. we trying to get it through won't because through and they won't because we have so much taken away from us. we lost the case. you

us. when we lost the case. you know, the end the day because know, the end of the day because of circumstances , along with of the circumstances, along with the pain of all of that, this just seems cruel. is the answer . we come up for six years. yeah and you should be. you will never get over this, but you should be on your journey through the various trade years of grief and rebuilding whatever life you can . you have been life you can. you have been battling . yeah, we definitely battling. yeah, we definitely are not in any grieving process . i'm still stuck in that. that day. that night. . i'm still stuck in that. that day. that night . things like day. that night. things like this just add extra unnecessary . are you upset? as this just add extra unnecessary . are you upset ? as you've . are you upset? as you've rightly said, you know where we're still waiting for the third report. so inquiry is still going on. that's really hard and has took a physical and obviously mental health is impacted understandably for everyone involved to hear more

from caroline and lisa and emma and to find out what happens, the crunch meeting. join us after the break. len, you had just registered his own dad's death, so i need to do it . i death, so i need to do it. i need to do it. coming .

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come , grandchildren or family come, grandchildren or family trying to find the history of, you know, the family and not having my name on on there just seems wrong and or chloe just lived life to the full. they were , you know, in the prime of were, you know, in the prime of life, if you like, you know, enjoying college, new jobs , enjoying college, new jobs, university and they had plans and yeah, you know that that's devastating . but i do hope devastating. but i do hope they're proud of what we're trying to do because they know how important this would be to us. yeah and for liam . liam had us. yeah and for liam. liam had just registered his own dad's death, so i need to do it. i need to do it. coming. the third and final report is out next week of the public inquiry. that's well is sort of related because the subjects and the deadune because the subjects and the deadline and that provides but is there anything that you're looking for in that report more

generally ? i think that generally? i think that personally is for another day. but at the moment connected to this , it's dates it's times it's this, it's dates it's times it's i'm going to have free next week that the death certificate is just done. yeah and we have no control over that . i use some control over that. i use some i use word and then i'm going to do it again because it's important to me. i feel like an insignificant cog in a huge wheel that everybody else has the power and the decisions and everything is decided for you . everything is decided for you. and this is really important. this is personal. this is not actually about the inquiry. this is about our children who have died. and we as parents feel very strongly about being able to do this . just want to be able to do this. just want to be able to do this. just want to be able to do this. just want to be able to do the right thing for our kids . you know, it's like you kids. you know, it's like you calling people that do it, you know , it's just you just do it

know, it's just you just do it nor let us do it. give us the choice some families don't want to do it. that's fine. but have a little tick box that is , the a little tick box that is, the family would like to be involved and then we can go along at a later date to the registration office with a with a number, a reference number and do the personal bit . that's that's all personal bit. that's that's all we're asking . it's not it's not we're asking. it's not it's not a massive ask . and if these a massive ask. and if these minister has just for one minute take off the office job head and put on the parent, it would they want their son or daughter to have their registration details registered by a total stranger they wouldn't did want to do it themselves as a parent i'm going to be waiting for you . i'm to be waiting for you. i'm rooting for you. obviously mr. and mrs. hurley will be fighting for the right to register. meghan's death . i'll be waiting meghan's death. i'll be waiting for you to tell me exactly what

happens. rooting for you all at that meeting results and what you what you need. thank you. i really thank you . so i waited really thank you. so i waited for an hour while were at the meeting, but only mp emma loyal book came back. emma it's just you that's come back . lisa and you that's come back. lisa and caroline i'm with you . what's caroline i'm with you. what's happened? they felt very disrespected in the meeting . the disrespected in the meeting. the the home office minister from the lords was quite patronising and we were led to believe through previous meetings with energy and home office , ministry energy and home office, ministry of justice in the home office, that there was, there was a concerted effort to try and do this and that. they were just trying to find a way. and what we found out today is actually there's no political will to do that. it's a policy decision that. and it's a policy decision of this government that they don't change it. so it's don't want to change it. so it's got to with the kept got nothing to with the kept jobs then round jobs uk and then going round and dancing on the head of a pin.

but essentially we're talking about a very narrow legislative change where they could put safeguards at the safeguards in. so at the integrity of the crown, your process damaged any process wasn't damaged in any way at and essentially the bottom line is they don't want to how are caroline and lisa absolutely distraught and that's why they've not come back with me. they asked if i could come back and talk to you. they're really, really disappointed. myself and maria have made it very clear to me, go , who's very clear to me, go, who's who's the mp, who's the representative of mr. mrs. hurley who we saw. yes. so i mean have made it both incredibly clear that. we're not happy. this isn't the end of it. we're going to leave we're not going to leave it there not are both there and not we are both incredibly angry on behalf of our constituents and i am i'm hurt for them. i'm really hurt for and been through through them, you know, through everything seen everything they've through and to then they've been through and to then find out that they've come here and their own expense, there's no coming to these meetings with

ministers to be told. well, actually, no, we're not. we're just not going to do it. and the last letter that we received from both ministers very clearly stated, we are looking at this and seemed positive and we're and it seemed positive and we're looking at options for the longer term . but today it was longer term. but today it was very clear they're even looking at options for the longer term. that it . at options for the longer term. that it. it'sjust at options for the longer term. that it. it's just it's at options for the longer term. that it . it's just it's not that is it. it's just it's not happening . i'm sorry. i'm sorry happening. i'm sorry. i'm sorry . i think everybody who will watch will want to extend their love to lisa and caroline , of love to lisa and caroline, of course, will approach the ministry of justice to get their response. but give them all our love on what must be a very difficult day after the most impulse possible six years. thank you . thank you , lord thank you. thank you, lord murray, and the government as a whole remain steadfast in our commitment . the families whose commitment. the families whose lives have been devastated by the senseless attack at manchester arena, currently after an inquest. all details be provided by the coroner alone .

provided by the coroner alone. any change to the law would need to consider its wider impacts , to consider its wider impacts, including how it would affect those bereaved families who do not wish to provide information to register the death . they have to register the death. they have already provided this to the inquest . we acknowledge the inquest. we acknowledge the seriousness , the matter and are seriousness, the matter and are committed to seeing what can be done via non legislative means. we have offered the bereaved families the option of being present the registration of present at the registration of their loved ones death if they wish to do so, coming up, charlie faulkner after break. what do you eat during the day now? diet coke and apples

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labour government , you shared labour government, you shared a flat with tony blair when you were both young lawyers . was it were both young lawyers. was it a wild flat ? wild would not be a wild flat? wild would not be the right way to describe it. tony blair was a very hard working lawyer and also very hard working politician , hard working politician, incredibly keen to become an mp and change the world, which is what he did. i remember coming down the stairs one morning at four in the morning hearing a clattering around and there was tony blair getting dressed , tony blair getting dressed, going to work, starting at 4:00 every morning. so he really put the hours in then and then he put the hours in later cos he sounds a bit boring. you wanted to be a member of parliament. i did . but when you went for did. but when you went for selection we said the process is that candidates are chosen by local labour party members . you local labour party members. you send your children to private school . and they didn't like school. and they didn't like that those members. and they .

that those members. and they. they didn't choose you. do you see any contradiction between sending your kids all grown up to school and being in to private school and being in the party? very the labour party? it's very difficult as a parent not do difficult as a parent not to do what you think is best for your children. and at time children. and at the time i thought what best for my thought what was best for my children them to the children was to send them to the best that they could. best schools that they could. schools very, schools in london were very, very eighties and very in the eighties and nineties of the last century. london made it really labour made a really big difference in relation to that. what i felt strongly was i shouldn't take my children out of the schools they were at and where they're happy in order get elected to be an in order to get elected to be an mp. i don't in any way disrespect the north for saying no on that basis , but i don't no on that basis, but i don't think it's inconsistent with being a member of the labour party or being a representative in parliament of labour in parliament of the labour party in doing is right or party in doing what is right or what you believe to be right for your children. okay so you're in the lords . if your children. okay so you're in the lords. if keir your children. okay so you're in the lords . if keir starmer the lords. if keir starmer becomes prime minister , he wants becomes prime minister, he wants to abolish the house of lords . to abolish the house of lords. are you looking forward to being abolished? i'm looking forward

very much to being abolished and replaced by something that is elected because look at the government at the moment, it's doing a lot of very, very difficult things. lords difficult things. the lords often up to the comments often stands up to the comments but can't stand up very long because who on earth is going to pay because who on earth is going to pay attention to a body which is made up? either people like me, who flatmate of tony blair who are a flatmate of tony blair or i don't know whether you think it's worse or better. it just is bad in a different way. people are, it were, the people who are, as it were, the great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandchildren of great, great grandchildren of all the seconds mistresses. and that's there. are that's why they're there. we are not body that has any not a body that has any legitimacy when it comes to standing up to an elected house. so i answer your question. i'm looking forward to it. yes, i am. it's about time and good for keir to saying he's going to do it and do it early because you didn't do it early. you'll never do it. assisted medically, do it. assisted dying medically, assisted , which is assisted dying, which is something you have campaigned for. you have really championed that cause . perhaps the momentum that cause. perhaps the momentum is moving that direction, but

actually it still seems very , actually it still seems very, very far away to me. does it to you? it feels like it's stuck andifs you? it feels like it's stuck and it's stuck because the politicians, it's a cause that is i mean, everybody has an experience of somebody who is dying through an illness , who it dying through an illness, who it is so obvious the time has come for them to go. and then days or weeks or months go on or there's nothing left but waiting for the end and it's horrible . many, end and it's horrible. many, many countries have made the change. we will not make the change. we will not make the change primarily because our politicians very few of whom came into politics to deal with assisted dying, they came in for other reasons, but they didn't want to offend some vested interests, say the church in their constituency . and they their constituency. and they just will not be brave enough to make the change. it's absolutely awful that a combination of politicians and the church of england stop this . you said

england stop this. you said everyone . most people have had everyone. most people have had an experience . tell me about an experience. tell me about your seeing people where the end is near, where they feel their time has come. often they've said goodbye to those that they love and. the only you can see the dry trip is in and all they're focusing on is just the is the drip. more painful than it needs to be? they turn their face to the wall. they so desperately want the end and we're not entitled as a matter of law to make sure that it's given. and you know, who's the most prominent group of people against it are the bishops and the archbishop who were well represented in the in the house of lords. and it's just so wrong. okay okay. let's talk about drugs . you are leading about drugs. you are leading a commission in london for the

london mayor, sadiq khan , about london mayor, sadiq khan, about whether and how drugs policy should change. tell us a little bit about your and where you are with that . the london drug with that. the london drug commission is a body set up by the mayor. we're independent. we're operating on the basis of the evidence, and we're looking to see what recommendations we should make about the way that the health deals with drug issues, the way that the law deals with drug issues, which means not just what the courts do, but also should the framework of the law be changed and we're focusing in particular on cannabis. now, this is motivated not because of lots and lots of recreation or drug users, but because over 30 or 40 years, years, there's been a quote , war on drugs and the quote, war on drugs and the consequence of the war on drugs is a lot of people have become addicted to a whole variety of drugs. they've died in very many

occasions. the war has manifestly failed in relation. i was in charge of the justice system between 2003 and two thousand and seven. we were heavily engaged in a, quote, war on drugs. what was the consequence ? a billion, billions consequence? a billion, billions of dollars industry was placed in the hands of criminals. they exploit it lots and lots of people, not just the users, but young people, particularly who they who they dragged into criminality and change and ruined their lives. would it be better if it became a health problem , not a criminal justice problem, not a criminal justice problem, not a criminal justice problem ? would it be better if, problem? would it be better if, instead of all sorts of drugs on the street that are incredibly dangerous because they are not regulated , they're coming regulated, they're coming through crooks to the people having skunked everywhere that's completely ruined their lives. what about positive play regulating the sorts of cannabis

that are on sale ? i've reached that are on sale? i've reached no conclusions in relation to this. the effect of decriminalising is that the numbers of people who use cannabis goes up . the question cannabis goes up. the question and we need to look at the evidence and relate this and i've got no conclusions. if you increase the number, you reduce the damage done. is that . the damage done. is that. a equafion the damage done. is that. a equation that is worth looking at? and it's very, very difficult . but we need to look difficult. but we need to look at it because the one thing i think everybody agrees on is that the war has failed. okay thank you. just to bring you to current day politics soon, something been speaking about . something been speaking about. the uk government says bloc's nicholas sturgeon's . gender nicholas sturgeon's. gender recognition reform bill. she says she is in charge scotland. is that right? well, she's in charge of scotland . she's

charge of scotland. she's entitled to determine what are the conditions by which you get a gender recognition certificate, which is something thatis certificate, which is something that is a formal document that says your gender is now a man or woman, different to what your biological gender would be. i think everybody who's looked at the issue thinks that transgender people need to be treated fairly and not discriminated against and getting that piece of paper means a lot to them. and it's too difficult. so her reform is a sensible one, but but women quite legitimately feel if, for example , i am in a group that is example, i am in a group that is providing services for some, but who's the victim of a sexual assault? i don't want a trans gender woman in that group, particularly if she still got male genitalia . of a terrible male genitalia. of a terrible case of the rapist who went was placed in a women's prison in scotland. these are utterly legitimate fears that have. so how do you balance the

legitimate fears of women about trans women against the need to treat women better ? and it's treat women better? and it's ultimately i think it's a case by case basis. you need to look to see where the risk is in an individual case, for example, that rapists should never been in a in a women's prison and do it on that basis. what i'm really and i'm a politician, you , gloria, were once a politician . people expect the politicians to come up solutions, not just as it were through large pieces of mud at each other and make absolutely no process . both absolutely no process. both transgender people will feel let down, but so will women by this blocking of the bill. the uk government and the scottish government should sit down and find a solution to the problem rather than making everybody feel bad . i mean, i think the feel bad. i mean, i think the trans gender community feel that

the uk government is transphobic and women feel the scottish does not adequate to look after their interests. everybody feels the leadership in their country is poor because they can't agree. one of the things about politicians is, is they ultimately got to find solutions. they not just got to be sounding clever in the way that they put their particular argument. and in that transgender issue, just as in the assisted dying issue , which the assisted dying issue, which you asked me about before , just you asked me about before, just as in relation to the drug issue , they are letting people down on the drug issue. how many people do you think have people using illegal drugs in their family? hundreds of thousands. i suspect . who that the public are suspect. who that the public are ahead of the politicians in relation to that. and we politicians need to catch up with the mood in the country . with the mood in the country. not every have the same view , not every have the same view, but people are willing to accept

change and i think it will be for the better. talked about mudslinging in that debate as rosie stuff phil being treated fairly by the labour. people shouldn't have shouted at rosie deputy she has. she has got she is expressing a very legitimate view about women not feeling safe. and people should not be shouting at the politicians should be saying, well, look, thatis should be saying, well, look, that is a view we absolutely to settle. we have to make women who feel what rosie duffield views on her. she's not a lone voice. she's expressing a very strongly felt view and that view has got to be not just accommodate it, but it's got to be reflected in the changes in the law that are made. okay, final question . how can i put final question. how can i put this? you used to be heavier. yes i read that. i mean, i remember the weight loss, but i read this took place in 2012 and 2014 because. that's right where you lost over five stone by

consuming diet coke and apples dunng consuming diet coke and apples during the day. and you a normal meal, a night. is that right? thatis meal, a night. is that right? that is absolutely right. and many people i meet, particularly dr. as a dietitian, say what a terrible diet. but they would also say whatever stopped you eating vast quantities of breakfast and vast quantities at lunch and as many hobnob biscuits as you could eat between 230 and seven. that's good. between 230 and seven. that's good . and although, you know, good. and although, you know, diet coke is said to be filled with lots and lots of chemicals andifs with lots and lots of chemicals and it's not good for your insides, it makes your insides feel that you need more sugar. all of that is bad. but if it stopped you putting in that stopped you putting in all that processed sugar, then whatever is right for you and it reduces rate is the right way to do it. what you eat during the day. now diet coke and apples still doing it. yeah, because imagine if i'm going to put on weight since

2014, but i know you would remember what i was like in 2012 and i just was i was at a base unhealthy , unrestrained and unhealthy, unrestrained and eating with no real discipline about what you eat. and it was a bad example. and you know, more selfishly bad for me cos i mean i a great advert for diet coke and apples . donald trump who is and apples. donald trump who is not normally a sage on these matters , he tweeted once, i've matters, he tweeted once, i've never a person who drinks lots and lots of diet coke who's thin because it makes your body think you want sugar to be more. well, i mean, you are the entrepreneur thing a phone interesting political the perfect life and times . political the perfect life and times. thanks for sharing them. lord falconer. thank you very much . thanks for watching. glory much. thanks for watching. glory meets is back next sunday is .

six hello, i'm craig snow . and here hello, i'm craig snow. and here is the latest forecast from the met office. so as we head into a new working week, it's set to remain settled for all of us, but it will still feel fairly chilly out there, especially in the east and the south. so as we finished the weekend and go into the week, high pressure the new work week, high pressure is firmly in charge across the country, things dry , a country, things largely dry, a fair cloud around across fair bit of cloud around across eastern scotland and northern england this evening. but elsewhere actually quite a lot of clear skies. so and the clear skies, will pretty skies, it will turn pretty chilly. widespread frost. could they see temperatures as they even see temperatures as low about minus or minus ten low as about minus or minus ten across parts of scotland ? but across parts of scotland? but where we do the clear skies as we start monday morning it'll be a frosty but bright start to the day. plenty of sunshine first thing but the cloud across northern england and scotland where the sun kicks way into parts wales and the midlands parts of wales and the midlands dunng parts of wales and the midlands during night and as we go during the night and as we go through the course of monday,

quite of england, wales, quite a lot of england, wales, northern rather cloudy northern ireland, rather cloudy with spots of rain with maybe the odd spots of rain come and go from the north come and go in from the north sea . best of the sunshine up sea. best of the sunshine up across western scotland and in the not feeling too the sunshine not feeling too bad. seven eighteen here bad. seven or eighteen here elsewhere around where they should factor in a should be. but factor in a fairly brisk wind. it will certainly a bit colder than certainly feel a bit colder than that tuesday, a very similar day, still got that brisk wind off the north sea, especially down towards east anglia in the southeast, in parts of england. the showers could turn wintry at times. it certainly not amounted to anything on the surface, really. and for most, again, temperatures around where they should be for the time of year and very little changes as we go into the middle part of the week . high pressure remains firmly in across the country. in charge across the country. certainly moves its way a little bit further northwards as. we go towards thursday and friday, we will very little change the will see very little change the weather, plenty weather weather, plenty of dry weather to odd shower around to be had. the odd shower around from time to time, but also quite a lot of cloud daytime temperatures where they should

be. but certainly remain pretty chilly if you're exposed to that wind

good evening. on radisson in the gb newsroom, the president of the european commission will visit the uk tomorrow to continue talks with the prime minister over the northern ireland protocol. in a statement released by number 10, it said rishi sunak and ursula von der leyen will continue attempts to find practical solutions to challenges, resulting from the post—brexit trading arrangements taoiseach leo varadkar has the news. the dup has refused to form an executive at stormont in protest over the current brexit deal. protest over the current brexit deal . former trade secretary deal. former trade secretary liam fox . he deal. former trade secretary liam fox. he will deal. former trade secretary liam fox . he will support the liam fox. he will support the new post—brexit deal if it's an

improvement and he expects fellow