on mark dolan tonight in. my big opinion, my reaction to rishi sunak's rumoured brexit with brussels the dup are seeking approval. of course they won't be happy unless they've agreed the arrangements, but we do need a deal so we can crack on with the huge challenges facing this country and put the brexit debate to bed once and for all my heart means. guest is the chairman of the influential european research group of conservative mps, mark francois . will he give rishi sunak's .will he give rishi sunak's deal his backing .7 it could hinge deal his backing? it could hinge on his support. he's live in the studio after ten. in the big question, aki starmer's five

missions going to win the next election. we'll debate that with ann widdecombe and tony blair's former adviser the lost two gets true but first the headlines with rae addison addison . with rae addison addison. thanks, mark. here's the latest from the gb news room. the president of the european will visit the uk tomorrow to continue talks with the prime minister over the northern ireland protocol. in a statement released by number 10, it said rishi sunak ursula von der leyen will continue attempts to find practical to challenges, resulting from the post—brexit trading arrangements . taoiseach trading arrangements. taoiseach leo varadkar has welcomed news. the ucp has refused to form an executive at stormont in protest over the current deal. former trade secretary liam fox says he will support the new deal if it's improvement due . dup will it's improvement due. dup will also be willing to see restrictions diminished again in the hope that over time some of

them might disappear. i think them might disappear. i think the hope that the european union would give up entirely on european law applying to some elements of northern ireland is unlikely given what the british government conceded the protocol. but we can make progress on. and i think the both sides will want to see the northern ireland assembly up and running because that's the best guarantee to political stability , a reduction in violence , a ban , a reduction in violence, a ban on transgender women in prisons in england and is now being extended to include those who've committed violent offences. the new which will be enforced from tomorrow, also includes trans women with intact male genitalia and sexual offenders . the and sexual offenders. the justice secretary is describing rules as a common sense framework that will improve the safety of prisoners . at least 59 safety of prisoners. at least 59 people, including 12 children have died after. a boat carrying more than 100 migrants crashed

into rocks off the southern coast of italy . the boat was coast of italy. the boat was left from turkey , was carrying left from turkey, was carrying migrants from somalia , pakistan migrants from somalia, pakistan and afghanistan . 27 bodies were and afghanistan. 27 bodies were found on a beach in calabria , found on a beach in calabria, were found in the . water police were found in the. water police in northern have been granted more time . question a suspect in more time. question a suspect in the attempted murder of an off duty officer omagh. the 43 year old was arrested on friday after detective chief inspector john caldwell was shot at a sports centre . he's one of six men centre. he's one of six men taken into custody in county tyrone. officers the attack was terrorist related and the popular in norfolk could be closed for decades. locals say after cliff erosion made the area unsafe . the beach at area unsafe. the beach at hemsby, near great yarmouth has lost more than ten feet of land in just two days. local lifeboat crew have had to close the shore over safety concerns. local businesses warned be

significantly impacted . the significantly impacted. the beach is their main source of income during the summer. they are calling on the to step in and help. we're on tv online and on dab radio. this is gb news. now to mark dolan tonight. thanks, ray. we'll see what ten. welcome to mark dolan tonight. coming up on a packed programme in my big opinion. my reaction to rishi sunak's rumoured brexit with brussels. we need a deal so we can crack on the huge challenges facing this and put the brexit debate to bed once and all. in the big question, all keir starmer is five missions going to win him the next election? do they make want to vote labour and labour mp khalid mahmood will be here to discuss my mop meets. guest is

the chairman of the influential european research group of conservative mp mark francois. he give rishi sunak's new his backing. it could hinge on francois as support and he's live in the studio after ten. they might take it ten. the names james woke . poor old seven names james woke. poor old seven has been given a politically correct makeover. wig centres will stop nothing to destroy every book ever written. the world is not enough for these censorious . that's my take. censorious. that's my take. a ten. i'm not pulling my. censorious. that's my take. a ten. i'm not pulling my . seven ten. i'm not pulling my. seven double. oh, dear , dear. we've double. oh, dear, dear. we've got tomorrow's front at exactly 1030 sharp with full panel reaction and in the news agenda, as the police fail to solve 5000 crimes a day. we'll be asking if crimes a day. we'll be asking if crime is now out of control in britain. reacting to those and many more are my all star panel of deputy editor of

conservativehome henry hill. tv personality and commentator ingnd personality and commentator ingrid deterrents and the political strategist and former to tony blair. john mcternan also . later in the hour, we'll also. later in the hour, we'll be discussing why cambridge university have been turning away dissident aged white students . they've done a u—turn students. they've done a u—turn but we'll discuss scandal with campaigner and political commentator dr. rackheath as son. you won't believe that story. we're doing it before ten. i want to hear from these throughout the show. mark gb news .uk the best bit of the show is when you get in touch. so for the next 2 hours, big debates, and big debates, big and always big opinions . debates, big and always big opinions. let's start with this . one we need to move on with spiralling a cost of living crisis . spiralling a cost of living crisis. public spiralling a cost of living crisis . public sector workers crisis. public sector workers strike a war in ukraine an nhs

barely fit for purpose and upwards . a thousand people upwards. a thousand people entering the country illegally every day . brexit should be every day. brexit should be a news story, not the distraction and the thorn in side. it has become . do you really want to be become. do you really want to be talking? the northern ireland protocol when you're worried about your mortgage your rent, your electricity , gas bills, your electricity, gas bills, your electricity, gas bills, yourjob security, a scarcity of your job security, a scarcity of fruit and veg in the supermarkets , a lack of school supermarkets, a lack of school places your kids or the vanishing chance of getting a gp appointment this side of christmas . the issue of the christmas. the issue of the northern ireland protocol, which disgracefully places a border down the irish splitting our country in half has been a disaster for the people of northern ireland who are subject to different legal jurisdiction and custom and tax regulations than the rest of the country. not to mention the fact that they have no instalments. the northern ireland protocol has

been a crime against the people of northern ireland and an assault on the political, economic and territorial foundations this country. it looks like our new prime minister, rishi, has brokered and deal with brussels which will see goods from the mainland and destined for northern ireland only fast on a so—called green lane without checks . any green lane without checks. any potential action would go via the ireland judiciary first pnor the ireland judiciary first prior to any involvement of the european court justice plus westminster, not brussels would set vat rates , taxation and set vat rates, taxation and state aid policy in northern ireland. and it's understood that sunak has negotiated rates in an arrangement whereby assembly in belfast gets pre legislative scrutiny of . new legislative scrutiny of. new elections. can it, if necessary . decent. but the deal still

won't fix. but it appears to be light years away from current arrangements, which are palpably unworkable. rumours abound that sunak has immersed himself in the detail. confirming my instinct that this guy has all the makings of a great and with the makings of a great and with the likes . steve baker arch the likes. steve baker arch brexiteer potentially remaining as northern minister and not resigning . well that would place resigning. well that would place a mock seal of approval on any potential agreement . steve baker potential agreement. steve baker is very much the canary in the mine and if he keeps on singing that will be music too sunak. he is . however, if the likes of is. however, if the likes of baker step problem as he will if mark francois , current chairman mark francois, current chairman of the eurosceptic tory group the erg kicks . well, mark the erg kicks. well, mark francois is with me live in the studio tonight 10:00 for a mark meet special . we await his meet special. we await his verdict . interestingly caroline

verdict. interestingly caroline wheeler and tim shipman , the wheeler and tim shipman, the sunday times today quoted key member of sunak's negotiating team secretary of state for northern ireland, chris heaton—harris. exchequer of the erg are saying if we'd been offered this deal three years ago we would have bitten your arm off too . right on this show arm off too. right on this show . exactly a week ago i said that support from the dup is my red line . i support from the dup is my red line. i maintain that support from the dup is my red line . i maintain that position line. i maintain that position andifs line. i maintain that position and it's clear that if the democratic unionist party are not happy with the deal they will not participate in powersharing in stormont and it will render sunak's efforts a complete waste of time a non—starter. but whether we like it or not, we must with the eu because even though we have the northern ireland protocol bill, which would allow britain to tear up the agreement altogether , it may not be quite the silver bullet that many brexiteers perceive it to be, given the that it would likely spark a

trade that we don't need right now and would see the european union refuse to engage with britain . any other issue, britain. any other issue, including stopping the boats ? including stopping the boats? plenty of legal minds better than my own believe that even if we did tear the northern ireland protocol, it may still be legally enforceable. fines could be payable . legal fees, of be payable. legal fees, of course. and be faced with months. if not years. more of this diplomatic, political and economic turmoil. does want that prolonged chaos. would further support remain narrative that in a disaster rather than the huge opportunity c it actually is . opportunity c it actually is. last week i said don't let the great be the enemy of the good and do not fall into the trap of ideological purity . i suspect ideological purity. i suspect that whilst not this deal is probably good enough and if it allows us to break the political deadlock and if it sees government back in northern

ireland, then it's good enough for me . to his eternal credit , for me. to his eternal credit, bofis for me. to his eternal credit, boris johnson got brexit done . boris johnson got brexit done. rishi sunak's legacy be all the greater if he can make brexit work . let's get a deal done so work. let's get a deal done so we can all get on with our lives and make brexit the success. i'm certain it . be and make brexit the success. i'm certain it. be what you think. mark at gb news. .uk. don't forget mark francois of the irg, a man who has the ultimate casting vote alongside the dup in, the studio at ten to give his verdict . now reacting to my his verdict. now reacting to my big opinion on, my all star panel tonight of a brand new voice on mark dolan . tonight, voice on mark dolan. tonight, a warm welcome to one of my favourite journalists deputy editor of conservative henry hill. we also have an old friend of mine tv, personality and commentator ingrid tarrant and of course, a titan of labour politics, political strategist

and former adviser to tony, no less. john knocked turn and henry hill. are buying this deal henry hill. are buying this deal. it will entirely depend on unionist reaction because essentially the point of this deal essentially the point of this deal, the timeline they've been working to and what in whitehall in brussels is all about, getting stormont back in time for april, which is the 25th anniversary of the belfast joe biden to visit. everyone biden wants to visit. everyone wants stormont up and running so they sort of have a big and they can sort of have a big and celebrate landmark. they celebrate that landmark. they can't there's can't do that if there's no stormont. it entirely hinges stormont. so it entirely hinges on the dup are on on whether or not the dup are on board. rishi complicit in board. rishi sunak complicit in parliament votes . parliament with labour votes. but if the unionists aren't happy, only going to do happy, that's only going to do more good. so i'm more harm than good. so i'm waiting see what their waiting to see what their verdict is. you think verdict on it is. do you think that dup to compromise? that the dup to compromise? because don't in because i don't think it's in anyone's interests have another ten henry to an ten years of this henry to an extent. can't be an absolute extent. you can't be an absolute purist. ultimately, we are trapped in the position that theresa may locked us into in 1617 she signed up to an 1617 when she signed up to an absurdly maximalist interpretation of what obugafions interpretation of what obligations with regards to the

irish were. but irish border actually were. but ultimately this is an existential question them. existential question for them. it's in the it's about their position in the united it's very united kingdom. it's very well for on the mainland to for people on the mainland to say we want to get on with our lives, is a hugely lives, but this is a hugely important for them and. important issue for them and. they have their red lines and they're entitled to last they're entitled to them. last thought the on thought before i get to the on this, henry, but you're well connected. the conservative party bigwigs therein in party and the bigwigs therein in this pr for brexit, isn't this is bad pr for brexit, isn't it? that's the point that i just wonder and i've said it in my monologue this week and last sunday don't fall into sunday as well don't fall into the trap of ideological purity because does the because i think it does the brexit cause. no favours and plays into remain that narrative that brexit's been a disaster. yeah absolutely of the erg especially could take this too far and insist on unworkable solution the eu would never deliver. is a good deal to be done on ireland. but again , that done on ireland. but again, that doesn't necessarily mean that whatever deal where she comes back with is good enough. so we'll have to wait and see what actually ingrid. we need actually got ingrid. we need a deal actually got ingrid. we need a deal. we've to get on with deal. we've got to get on with our lives. my view and listeners are about their energy

are worried about their energy bills. about bills. they're worried about their they can't a school theirjob. they can't a school place or appointments yeah, so this not going to be high on this is not going to be high on their priority. and it's very complicated as well. i don't complicated as well. so i don't know people are really know that people are really engaging the detail of it, engaging with the detail of it, but can i just interrupt you , but can i just interrupt you, ingnd? but can i just interrupt you, ingrid? what ingrid? absolutely right. what is doing, though, is using up lot of government time, including the prime minister's time. don't want so much time. and we don't want so much energy being sucked out of this current administration, do we? the thing is, unfortunately, you can't control timing. it has all happened once . it's a complete happened once. it's a complete it's chaos. i mean, everything is in a mess the minute. so everything has actually got to be dealt with by one they don't necessarily have to push this through now, but they've engaged in it now . a meeting tomorrow in it now. a meeting tomorrow with ursula von der leyen and all that sort of thing. all i will say is thank goodness, but we have really committed brexiteers a negotiating rishi sunak and steve baker and chris

heaton—harris, who used to be the chairman of the erg for five years. yeah. so that gives me a certain amount hope i'll keep kind of in my head, keep going back and i don't know of like the ins and outs of it and how it would work, but i keep on echoing in my ears. this is like dealis echoing in my ears. this is like deal is better than a bad deal. and i do wonder how things might be today if we had recognised which we at the time that you know, this was not a clever this was wishy washy boys pushed it through without going into the detail. he's not a man of detail anyway. and the devil is in the detail. so i would like to see the sort out once and all. but you know, i love what you say and i have to pick you up but we don't want a trade war. that's absolutely right. and you said here in your monologue you wouldn't want to the european refuse engage with britain any issue including stopping the boats but they're not stopping

the boats anyway all they . yet the boats anyway all they. yet with friends like that who needs enemies that and welcome back to mark dolan tonight your reaction to this developing a possible brexit. well i think it's hilarious in a way, isn't it? this is a tory prime minister solving a problem created by a tory prime minister with a savage irony that is the conservative unionist party in government who drove northern out of the united kingdom by putting a border in the irish now to sort that disgrace out will be great. the deal's been done we know that the deal was done we know that the deal was done weeks ago with the european union but we're now in the middle of theatre of the prime minister pretending this negotiation on. the details have been settled with europe for weeks . what we're doing is weeks. what we're doing is seeing the prime minister trying to see if he can do this without his own party fully backing him. the labour party votes are there. this was in the national

interest and it is it could be done on monday, not announced legislation on monday. and let's get forward to the northern ireland. emily resetting . let's ireland. emily resetting. let's get some reforms that stop the dup having a blocking veto in northern is ridiculous. we don't want any more years briefly or else is there. yeah. john, briefly. if you can as an adviser, former adviser tony blair, you know about northern ireland politics and the dup. do you think that they will swallow ? because if they don't, there's no powersharing. and i would argue that sunak's plan is worthless . i hope they i that worthless. i hope they i that they do take it because this does take a great provocation away from them. the provocation created by the conservative party because . there's a party party because. there's a party in government by boris johnson as prime minister. i hope that they will have to rise to the occasion that they'll rise to the challenge of the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement, and that we can get a reset in northern ireland

because northern ireland, like england like wales like scotland has got challenges with nhs, challenges with the cost of living , worse challenges than living, worse challenges than we, than we have over here because the amount of coal that people burn for heating over there and the inability t to give help to voters, citizens in northern ireland without political agreement . so yeah, political agreement. so yeah, i hope the dup's rise to this and let's see an end to this terrible chapter of trying to be a tory prime minister pushing northern ireland of the united kingdom . well, what do you think kingdom. well, what do you think ? listening on the radio debate plus and watching on television nationwide and globally. do you buy this deal? will it recalibrate premiership? will it satisfy the dup? will it satisfy the energy? well, that chairman is my mart meets guest in a moment special just after ten. also coming before the end of the hour in the news agenda, is crime now out of control? 5000 crimes unsolved . can you imagine crimes unsolved. can you imagine the? scale of it? also, why are cambridge university turning

away disadvantaged, white skewed ? we'll discuss that scandal with campaigner and political commentator dr. ricky azaan . but commentator dr. ricky azaan. but next up, looking forward to this in the big question are keir starmer's fine admissions going to win him the next election debate that with current sitting labour mp holly mahmood and tory legend ann widdecombe. don't go anywhere .

well, the big reaction to my big opinion mark at gb news uk it looks like a deal is in the offing with brussels, but will the dup accept it? will the european research group of tory backbenchers has agreed to it that chairman mark francois is my mark meets guest after ten. wales and can never trust

westminster if the northern ireland protocol is scrapped, says aaron . joan says mark wood. says aaron. joan says mark wood. britain allows, say, yorkshire to be subject eu regulations , to be subject eu regulations, different tax rules, etc. no. so why is northern ireland being treated differently ? how about treated differently? how about this from ireland good evening ireland. how are you? ireland has emailed gbnews.uk for mark. this is a top priority and a question of democracy . if it question of democracy. if it doesn't remove the interference of the eu, it will be another sell—out . it's like the good sell—out. it's like the good friday agreement since john mcternan needs to win this neck and remember the betrayal of blair and his crew only to well, alan, they're referring my panellist, former tony blair advisor john panellist, former tony blair advisorjohn mcternan panellist, former tony blair advisor john mcternan will give john right to reply in just a moment . and how about this from moment. and how about this from c mills is colin. moment. and how about this from c mills is colin . colin says c mills is colin. colin says mark, there was no problem before brexit. thank you for that, colin. keep those emails coming market gb news dot uk. why are cambridge university

turning away underprivileged white students? we'll discuss that before the end of the hour . and is crime now out of control ? but first this . you control? but first this. you yes, it's time for the big question in which we tackle a major news story the day. now tonight, the labour leader keir starmer this week unveiled his five missions for a better britain which included securing the highest sustained growth in the highest sustained growth in the g7 building an nhs fit for the g7 building an nhs fit for the future, making britain's streets safe. breaking down the barriers to opportunity at every stage . and making britain stage. and making britain a clean energy superpower. so will keir starmer's five missions win him the next election. to debate this, i'm delighted. welcome former conservative government bestselling author and tv ann widdecombe , current serving widdecombe, current serving labour mp for birmingham perry ball, khalid mahmood khalid, welcome back to gb news and mark

dolan tonight. why isn't it stop the boats on keir starmer's of five priorities. well this is a thought out well thought out proposition . it gives us all the proposition. it gives us all the opfions proposition. it gives us all the options of what the labour party is going to be looking and how we're going to forward to bring it back into competition . in it back into competition. in terms of the g7 growth . at the terms of the g7 growth. at the moment we are the least growing and in the negative in terms of growth in the g7 and across the world, the national health service has dwindled down over the last 13 years of conservative rule and. we want to make that happen. this week, yesterday sorry, on friday had drive by shooting in one of my churches and nobody's lost their life at the moment and people appear to be in a stable condition that is not safe streets. we want proper police officers in on the streets and looking at that and we want to

break down barriers surely should be an aspiration the conservatives as well for people on and doing that i think and the last proposition of having a green energy power is absolutely the thing that we should do. we are an island we have huge resource in terms of wave , in resource in terms of wave, in terms of wind and also terms of solar as well. and we can get there if we have the right intentions and that will boost our engineering whether you call it green engineering or just good old engineering, but we're always and that's always trained. and that's a opportunity to start to get our industry back up and running as well . and with come robust well. and with it come robust growth, a strong nhs , safe growth, a strong nhs, safe streets opportunity all and clean energy . what's not to like clean energy. what's not to like 7 clean energy. what's not to like ? plenty is not likely . only way ? plenty is not likely. only way that keir starmer is going to win the general election of course is through the of the conservative party and he's almost guaranteed a victory on that basis . and so he therefore that basis. and so he therefore can afford to be as vague as

he's been with all of this. now he's been with all of this. now he talks about the highest growth rate in the g7. we have about a year ago. he talks about keeping the streets safe . but we keeping the streets safe. but we don't have any detail to how he proposes to do that . does he proposes to do that. does he mean safe? does he mean does he mean safe? does he mean does he mean , you know, within one mean, you know, within one parliament that the streets going to be noticeably safer? doesn't us nhs fit the future? what does that mean , more of the what does that mean, more of the same. i mean, what does that mean an nhs fit for the future ? mean an nhs fit for the future? barriers to opportunity. well. i hope he's including small in that and looking for tax reductions and the removal of reductions and the removal of red tape . i hope he's looking red tape. i hope he's looking for those to remove those barriers and as for the clean energy super farm nuclear nuclear possibly . can we hear nuclear possibly. can we hear about that. i it this is motherhood and apple pie and you're quite right i mean you pointed out the glaring one that's not there which is

immigration and the control of the boats. you pointed that out, but also plenty that's not there . and it is true. right it is simply too vague . and he talk simply too vague. and he talk about barriers to opportunities. well, we've been talking to conservatives, been talking about levelling for a very long time and jumping on the bandwagon . i am not impressed by bandwagon. i am not impressed by this anybody describes that as robust . they say they must robust. they say they must stump. they must just think that just a sound bite is a it isn't . khalid mahmood, a year ago in an interview with the guardian, tony said that keir starmer should ditch the woke stuff . do should ditch the woke stuff. do you think he will? do you think perhaps keir starmer will do an interview which he is happy to define what a woman is ? well, define what a woman is? well, look, wokeist, i was to prepared do is to put country forward and he's not talking about the serious issues , just just to serious issues, just just to take up . in serious issues, just just to take up. in terms of serious issues, just just to

take up . in terms of the take up. in terms of the immigration issue, he has said that he will create a new branch in branch of the nca to look at this. mrs. came in she and she cut 50% of the border force. so therefore you've got these boat boats coming across. and the tory party need to look at themselves after 30 years. why have they not been able to do this? and we real issues in terms of the national health service, which is basically losing money because huge amounts of agents stuff that's come in there over the last 13 years. and we're not training the right doctors and the nurses to be able to go through the labour party will that we will keep our streets clean by a lot more police on the streets, which is what's been promised and we will deliver. and that's what he wants to do in terms of clean energy that also bring engineering out as well. so that will hugely support the economy in terms of how and what we make. we should make much more

of the green energy and the green electricity from the engineering base, which we should expand anyway . why no should expand anyway. why no mention of nuclear ? well, i mention of nuclear? well, i think we'll have a look at the detail of that. rolls—royce at the moment are working smaller nuclear , much more safer plants nuclear, much more safer plants which can actually look at lighting of cities like london and birmingham . and of course, and birmingham. and of course, that would be part of the mix to be able to do that. there to be energy security . the united energy security. the united kingdom will be secure. and that's the key thing that want to look at. khalid how is keir starmer going to face down the striking unions and their inflation and busting pay demands given the fact that labouris demands given the fact that labour is in the pocket the unions. look, keir starmer's demonstrated he's nobody's pocket. the labour union and the party have worked together because of the issue of supporting the workforce force and the people of working people , the united kingdom. nobody's

in anybody's pocket. what the labour party do is deal with them honestly and straightforward, not allow no discussion, which is what this government has done. look at the views that the current reviews that a year old when the interest rates were different before , mrs. truss came in. so before, mrs. truss came in. so open and honest and work with people and say what the coalition can afford and how we can move forward and how we can support those workers in the future and what conditions they're going be working. they're going to be working. that's do this. ann that's the way to do this. ann widdecombe compared the failing tories perhaps . labour would be tories perhaps. labour would be the lesser of two evils. no absolutely not. they're extremely . but first of all, extremely. but first of all, nofice extremely. but first of all, notice that there's no mention of free speech. apparently that isn't important to labour. secondly, as you rightly say this, the unions, there's no mention them, no mention of what they're going to do about strikes and no mention of the boats . not that dangerous for boats. not that dangerous for this reason . if putting those

this reason. if putting those things on the back burner and saying they're not their priorities, that's something that they'll just sort out when they get in some out. and that is dangerous. but what is really dangerous is trying to pretend that the nhs failure is all the fault of the tories which it certainly is and it is the fault of the fact that the nhs which was a wonderful institution for its last couple of decades , its last couple of decades, never designed to with what it has to cope with today. bevan didn't foresee the huge explosion in, medical science. he didn't foresee the enormous rise in longevity . he he didn't foresee the enormous rise in longevity. he didn't foresee the national what we call the stump wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. now, he didn't foresee any of that, and nor could have done in the 19405, and nor could have done in the 1940s, but until is prepared to say that we need to look at the whole thing again and ask ourselves , what would we do if ourselves, what would we do if we were designing the system from scratch? now unless they're prepared to do that , all they

prepared to do that, all they will be doing is tinkering , will be doing is tinkering, putting, sticking plaster . the putting, sticking plaster. the very good at sticking plaster the labour party. we actually some guts we need politicians who will say there's a great gaping wound . there's no gaping wound. there's no sticking plaster is going to coven sticking plaster is going to cover. we have to start again not until says that and the tories aren't saying either until somebody says that the nhs is going to go on crumbling just a crisis unable to meet the current levels of demand . current levels of demand. colleagues that they've got to have said quite clearly with wes streeting and keir starmer that there has to be a full structural view of the national health service and make it fit for just now, for the future, but we do need the national health service. it's not we shouldn't have an american system where at the moment some region, about 70 or 80 million people are cut away from provision of national health service , which should be service, which should be available each and of us, and we

should do that properly. there should do that properly. there should be proper to back that up.and should be proper to back that up. and because we don't have an economy which is comparable to the g7 and because we don't have the g7 and because we don't have the income coming in, revenues which should be coming through when full people are working and we do, we shouldn't one 1 million vacant across the country , then we will have country, then we will have a bigger and bigger economy to feed a bigger national health service and support all of our issues, whether it is safer streets or better. national health service . carly, great to health service. carly, great to have you back on the do join us again soon. khalid mahmood is the labour mp for perry ball flying the flag for keir starmer and his five missions. my thanks ann widdecombe who's always on a mission a mission of common sense wisdom. and we'll see. ann widdecombe , in a week's time. widdecombe, in a week's time. your reaction gb news uk to what you've just heard. we asked on twitter before the programme. all keir starmer has five missions going to win him the next election. 16% say yes. 84% say no. my mark meets guest is

mark francois, chair of the erg. he holds the prime minister's fate in his hands. he holds the prime minister's fate in his hands . will he buy fate in his hands. will he buy this brexit? deal with brussels? plus the papers at 1030. and why are cambridge university turning away underprivileged white students discuss that before ten. but next, as the police fail to solve 5000 crimes today, we'll be asking , is crime out of we'll be asking, is crime out of control? seizure shortly .

emily on email. the tories have made a right mess things but cameron is labour party would be even worse. they do not have any clear plan of how the party would improve the country. welcome back to, mark dolan tonight. tackle of the big tonight. let's tackle of the big stories the with my panel stories of the day with my panel , of conservativehome , editor of conservativehome henry hill tv personality , a henry hill tv personality, a very old friend of mine, commentator and broadcaster

ingnd commentator and broadcaster ingrid terence and the political strategist former to strategist and former adviser to tony blair. it turns out party animal john mcternan. we'll get to that later . worrying animal john mcternan. we'll get to that later. worrying crime statistics have been which say that on average just over 5000 crimes are unsolved every day. the report says that only one in 20 crimes end with a suspect being charged and charge rates have dropped particularly dramatically . the so—called low dramatically. the so—called low level offences , which are by far level offences, which are by far the most common burglary, shoplifting, pickpocketing , shoplifting, pickpocketing, charge rates have dropped , all charge rates have dropped, all of them as police seemingly concentrate on more complex cases. concentrate on more complex cases . leaving concentrate on more complex cases. leaving us to ask, is crime out of control? in britain 7 crime out of control? in britain ? pickpocketing that is not a low level crime, is it? no, but in 2014, the law changed and the police investigating any crime that involved any thing police investigating any crime that involved any thin g £200 and that involved any thing £200 and unden that involved any thing £200 and under. so if you broke into both, it was a different but crime. so pickpocketing . going crime. so pickpocketing. going to shop stealing shoplifting and

all those things. so you know, low loads of crimes were within that bucket. so what do they say that bucket. so what do they say that the figures coming out, of course, are going to come down even investigating them in the first place? indeed mean it's a real worry. there is no crime, john.i real worry. there is no crime, john. i completely agree with that. john. i completely agree with that . think john. i completely agree with that. think you mentioned pickpocketing people feel of personal violation this point. so from the if there it could be the cards taken their identity cards taken as well . and i think cards taken as well. and i think one of the things gnawing away at the fabric of britain, modern britain at the moment, at the fabric of britain, modern britain at the moment , the sense britain at the moment, the sense that if a crime happens, the cops won't be there , they won't cops won't be there, they won't be there to stop but to be there to stop it. but to deter but they won't be deter it. but they won't be there you phone and there for you if you phone and they'll give an insurance they'll give you an insurance number, give you a crime number to claim it, which is basically taking a box, isn't it. well, is it. okay i think it's worse. i hear from labour candidates campaigning in the west midlands of that that the local the local community are so angry that they investigate crime themselves .

investigate crime themselves. and that's the way towards vigilante justice. that's not justice. well i mean, that's got echoes of the nhs people going private because they won't wait for a knee operation. people are going out with the law now in order enforce law and order is a bad place to be, isn't henry? yeah absolutely. you hear about some of these sort of wealthy neighbourhoods chipping neighbourhoods that are chipping in uniform in to basically hire uniform private companies, private security companies, perform patrols, which is, you know, absolutely state of know, an absolutely state of affairs. of stuff, affairs. but this kind of stuff, you often doesn't have you know, it often doesn't have the big financial impact or the severe impact more severe personal impact of more serious it really serious crime, but it really does.i serious crime, but it really does. i think tony's reaction was away your sense that was it away at your sense that the works right like the country works right like just i've not personally been mugged the co—op mugged but i've got the co—op where wouldn't dare. but the where i wouldn't dare. but the co—op i've seen it co—op where i shop, i've seen it get shoplifted month. get shoplifted once a month. and, know, security and, you know, the security guard even because guard often doesn't even because presumably they potentially be on the hook if they injured the. but someone sprints out of there with a bag of stuff about once a month and that doesn't personally hurt it does personally hurt me, but it does contribute to my sense of like this is this is a city that

isn't working and then the costs will be fed through to customers. i mean, it's just grown must a co—op thing the stakes family, the stakes in my big family, the stakes in my big family, the stakes my co—op have all an stakes in my co—op have all an alarm on them. yeah. and you see, especially is advanced see, especially is more advanced in advanced in the. yeah, it's more advanced in the. yeah, it's more advanced in the. yeah, it's more advanced in the us but in the us you see entire shelving units have entire shelving units that have just locked right. just been locked up. right. because trust shoppers because you can't trust shoppers with and that's big with anymore and that's a big cost that often show up. with anymore and that's a big cthink,|t often show up. with anymore and that's a big cthink, onften show up. with anymore and that's a big cthink, on some show up. with anymore and that's a big cthink, on some places. how up. with anymore and that's a big cthink, on some places. dor up. with anymore and that's a big cthink, on some places. do you i think, on some places. do you think what britain needs think maybe what britain needs is giuliani style tolerance is a giuliani style tolerance approach? former approach? of course, the former old giuliani . oh, old style used to giuliani. oh, yeah, these are the yeah, yeah. these are the melting . but but yeah, yeah. these are the melting. but but this a guy yeah, yeah. these are the melting . but but this a guy who melting. but but this a guy who who famously had the window policy, he took the view that if there was a broken window in neighbourhood that set the tone of crime and that the police would invest at the gates and pursue the seeming low level crimes in order that criminals don't graduate to something worse. i think that would be a great idea. the thing about that is you have resource it is you have to resource it properly. that doesn't just mean police because police police officers, because police numbers need to numbers are up, but you need to have in the system to have the in the court system to make these cases get make sure these cases get

prosecuted time. you prosecuted in good time. and you need in prison to need to have space in prison to make sure that they serve the tariffs. yeah, john, your pal tony tough crime, tony blair, tough on crime, tough the causes of crime. tough on the causes of crime. a sentiment echoed keir starmer sentiment echoed by keir starmer on well, we need that on friday. well, we need that same approach. there are people should be diverted from crime if they start with low level crime. but you have to catch and one thing that giuliani found in the transport new transport authority found in new york people who jump york was the people who jump over turnstiles to get onto over the turnstiles to get onto the subway , actually had the subway, actually had a criminal record for other things . it wasn't simply one thing. they were right . they weren't they were right. they weren't just they were just dodging fares. they were actually who broke laws. actually people who broke laws. all the time. so grabbing them, stopping them, you actually find on people on the run, you find people who've broken bail conditions, people are being sold for by people who are being sold for by the police. this integrates the police. so this integrates approaches. not simply approaches. it's not simply extra staff, it's integrated approach to deter , to divert, approach to deter, to divert, but to prosecute and to prosecute rapidly because witnesses get so frustrated with when lawyers and criminals play the game with courts and defer

the game with courts and defer the date to further date. well, indeed, many i know if there isn't an insurance claim to be made, they don't even calling the police because it feels so hopeless. what is your experience with law and order on the streets market? gbnews.uk coming up in my take ten. you won't believe this. james bond is had a make over my reaction plus life in the studio my mob meets guest is top brexiteer chairman of the francois who holds rishi fate in his hands. he by the brexit deal will discuss that after ten but next chaos at cambridge university who have been forced to reverse a decision to block white working class students from a postgraduate course was going on. we'll find out.

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let's discuss the university of cambridge who banned white working class students from their post graduate course. according to an exclusive in the sunday telegraph newspaper cambridge university's school of arts and humanities advertised an exciting new participation project to give an opportunity for . students from for. students from underrepresented groups to experienced postgraduate research at cambridge . the research at cambridge. the university has since reversed the scheme following concerns raised by many in the institution's community. the programme has now opened up to a wider group defined by socio economic factors rather than race. so what it means is that depnved race. so what it means is that deprived white class students are now in included in the intake . david aboulafia of intake. david aboulafia of cambridge is converting keys told the sunday telegraph . if told the sunday telegraph. if it's good that the programme has recalibrated so the criterion is

disadvantage age rather than race , the racial criterion, he race, the racial criterion, he said , seemed to assume non white said, seemed to assume non white students are automatically disadvantaged. he went on to say, isn't that a bit racist in itself ? well, let's get reaction itself? well, let's get reaction now from dr. ricky assan, who a research analyst, now from dr. ricky assan, who a research analyst , culture research analyst, culture writer, a regular mark dolan tonight, and he boasts a phd in social. his forthcoming book, beyond grievance , is out this beyond grievance, is out this summer. hierarchy by mcavoy . i'm summer. hierarchy by mcavoy. i'm very well good to have you on the programme. i was quite shocked to see that headline that disadvantaged whites students essentially from a course at cambridge university. mark i'm not that surprised . if mark i'm not that surprised. if truth be told, for some time i felt that racial identity politics is well , truly taken politics is well, truly taken hold in our further education system and this is just a fine

example all of is quite remarkable that of course would be advertised such a way of ultimately looking to attract members of underrepresented groups even though it's been known for some time that white working class students are in themselves under when it comes to our universe city system. but when it comes to this particular course, initially was advertised looking to appeal to people , looking to appeal to people, black students and students of bangladeshi and pakistani origin , but no mention of white working class students. it's almost and of course diversity is a good thing. but what we need see from universities and, other public institutions is some consistency and policies that lift that's disadvantaged up . no absolutely. i couldn't up. no absolutely. i couldn't agree more . but this up. no absolutely. i couldn't agree more. but this is a very clear of equating non—white identity with disadvantage that non—whites students

automatically needed a helping hand , even though within those hand, even though within those ethnic groups you do have families are relatively wealthy . so i think what this really shows that at least there's now the refocus towards social class thatis the refocus towards social class that is welcome but that should have been the starting point to begin with . and i do feel that begin with. and i do feel that when it comes to social background over time, we seen those liberal left whose there's been a greater focus on racial when i think there should be a greater focus on knocking down class based barriers. let's bnng class based barriers. let's bring if we can keep my panel into i'm delighted have alongside me tonight henry hill ingnd alongside me tonight henry hill ingrid tarrant and john mcternan and we'll include in the conversation want to ask you rakhi we get to my colleagues on the panel do you think this is part of critical race theory that effectively says you are racist based your skin colour and? does this tie in with so—called privilege? if so, what

is white privilege and what are the implications of that idea ? the implications of that idea? well, i think that when we're looking at some of those crt inspired , i think one of the inspired, i think one of the main problems that i have is that it creates non—white people as single monolithic block one which is disadvantage one which ultimately faces a great deal of discrimination . and when it discrimination. and when it comes our social, economic and political system, something that i very, very much reject and i think that notion of white privilege and i think when it comes to crt in particular, white males are seen as hyper advantaged , which is which is advantaged, which is which is what is. when you actually looking at university related participation in is particularly low when it to young white class males. so i think that as absolutely no use at all when it comes understanding various forms of disadvantage in our country john mukhtar and it's right that cambridge university

that we should include and welcome disadvantaged groups who are underrepresented at the university but surely policy should be colour—blind well looking into detail of the new story, it says that they're trying to discriminate against undergrads that. this is a school of who realised that 40% of their applicants were coming from oxbridge . i want to reach from oxbridge. i want to reach deeper and further out into the other great university is of the country and that seems to me to be a very sensible thing. we don't want only oxbridge people to oxbridge all the way down the line and the way that have changed the they're targeting this suggests that they've been listening to the discussion within cambridge as well. so it feels like the right solution is being ended up with henry hill. is the idea of white privilege i think anything that treats people as a as a as a homogenous

group on basis of something as arbitrary as skin colour is almost going to end up being complete. yes. because obviously , you know, a lot of white people will have a lot of advantages in life. but if you treat white people any other colour a block, you're going colour as a block, you're going to completely blind yourself. i think sometimes deliberately to the variation those the huge variation within those groups. many white groups. and yes, many white people this country from people in this country from different socioeconomic backgrounds do struggle and it's wrong to have policies which blind you to that struggle in the name of equality although in places university or places like university or cambridge university still predominantly white and middle class. so perhaps, perhaps the university authorities are on to something here looking for a more diverse intake . you know, more diverse intake. you know, it's i would take it right back to sort of education from the very, very beginning because in the state school education in certain areas and poverty , a certain areas and poverty, a huge driver of your intellectual levels and everything that

starts really from nursery school . so you have to look at school. so you have to look at the merits, you have to look at the merits, you have to look at the of the person and i don't that you can do this sort of it's social engineering in a way or educational engineering . i or educational engineering. i mean, what's interesting and going back to the universities cambridge convent course college the intake from private is cut from 50% to 25. now what is suggesting is that sort of like, oh, would you have from five schools? and this has been going on for a long, long now your penalised from having had to education. but the point is you have had private education. the chances that it going to be a chances that it is going to be a better one than a state education. well, i agree arguing reason tools are going to reason sorry tools are going to come from this from the private these places after decide if they're about academic excellence or a social petri dish only . interrupt excellence or a social petri dish only. interrupt you excellence or a social petri dish only . interrupt you because dish only. interrupt you because of time. sorry . dish only. interrupt you because of time. sorry. dr. dish only. interrupt you because of time. sorry . dr. ricky of time. oh, sorry. dr. ricky bisson i wish had longer come bisson i wish we had longer come back sofa. we miss dr. back to the sofa. we miss dr. rikki neave s political .

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it's 10:00 it's10:00 and this is mark dolan's night in my take at ten in just a moment. the names woke james woke . poor old double—o, james woke. poor old double—o, seven, has been given a pulitzer correct makeover. why woke censors will stop at nothing to destroy every book ever written. and every joke and every song. the world is not enough for these idiots . my the world is not enough for these idiots. my mark the world is not enough for these idiots . my mark meet guest these idiots. my mark meet guest is , the chairman of the is, the chairman of the influential europe and research group of conservative mark francois . will he give rishi francois. will he give rishi sunak new deal? he's backing it could hinge on his support. i'll be asking him in about 10 minutes time. live in the studio. plus, tomorrow's papers

, exactly 1030 with full panel reaction, i think will agree. we've got a great panel tonight. we've got a great panel tonight. we are delighted to have john mcternan, former adviser tony blair, ingrid tarrant, tv personality and the brilliant, the excellent, the very talented henry hill who is editor of a conservative home. so he's he's no slouch in the journalistic department a big hour to come but i'll be dealing a joke and james bond next. and mark francois in the studio . first francois in the studio. first the headlines with ray addison . the headlines with ray addison. thanks, mark. here's the latest . the president of the european commission will visit the uk tomorrow to, continue talks with the prime minister over the northern ireland protocol. in a statement released by number 10, he said rishi sunak and ursula der leyen will continue attempts to find practical solutions to challenge us resulting from the post brexit trading arrangements. taoiseach leo varadkar has welcomed news. dup has refused form an executive at

stormont in protest over the current brexit deal. former trade secretary liam fox says he will support the new deal if it's an the dup will also be willing to see restrictions diminished again. willing to see restrictions diminished again . the hope that diminished again. the hope that over time some them might disappear. i think the hope that the european union would give up entirely on european law applying some elements in northern ireland is unlikely given what british government conceded the protocol. but we can make progress on that. and i think the both sides will want to see the northern ireland assembly up and running because that's the best guarantee to political and a reduction in violence . a ban on transgender violence. a ban on transgender women in female prisons in england and wales is now being extended to include those who've committed violent offences. the new policy will be in force from tomorrow . also includes trans tomorrow. also includes trans women , intact, male genitalia women, intact, male genitalia and sexual offenders . the

and sexual offenders. the justice secretary has described the rules as a common sense that will improve the of prisoners . will improve the of prisoners. well, at least nine people, including 12 children, have died . a boat carrying more than 100 migrants crashed into rocks off the southern coast of italy . the the southern coast of italy. the boat which left from turkey was carrying migrants from somalia, pakistan and afghanistan. 27 bodies were found on a beach , bodies were found on a beach, calabria. more were found . the . calabria. more were found. the. water police in northern ireland have been granted more time to question a suspect in the attempted murder of an off officer in omagh . the 43 year officer in omagh. the 43 year old was arrested friday after detective inspector john caldwell was at a sports centre. one of six men taken into custody in county tyrone. officers believe attack was terrorist related related . and a terrorist related related. and a popular beach in norfolk could be closed for decades , locals be closed for decades, locals say after cliff erosion made the

area unsafe . the beach at area unsafe. the beach at hemsby, near great yarmouth, has lost more than ten feet of land in just two days. local lifeboat crew have had to close the shore over concerns. local businesses are warning that they will be significantly impacted as the beach is main source of income dunng beach is main source of income during the summer. they're now calling on the government to step in and help . we're on tv step in and help. we're on tv onune step in and help. we're on tv online and on dab plus radio. you're watching , listening to gb you're watching, listening to gb news back . now to mark dolan news back. now to mark dolan tonight . tonight. thanks, ray. we'll see you in an houn thanks, ray. we'll see you in an hour. welcome to mark dolan tonight . still to come in the tonight. still to come in the next or so, my mom meets guest is the chairman of the influence european research group of conservative mps mark francois. will he give rishi sunak's new

deal will he give rishi sunak's new deal. his backing it could hinge on his support. it might take a ten in just a moment. the names woke james wolk poor old seven has been given a politically correct makeover. why woke censors will stop at nothing to destroy every book ever written. the world is not enough for these idiots we've got tomorrow's papers at exactly 30 sharp with a full panel reaction and in the news agenda are strict rules regarding school uniforms going over the top. do we still need school uniforms and lots more besides a busy hour to come? let's start my take it . ten the hour to come? let's start my take it. ten the names woke james woke i was shaken and stirred by this story just days after it was revealed that roald dahps after it was revealed that roald dahl's books have been sanitised for of causing offence . it's now for of causing offence. it's now james bond's turn to be a victim of politically correct who have rewritten a number of his books

to them more inclusive . to them more inclusive. inclusive. well may god forgive me for wanting to be excluded from all this . and that was me. from all this. and that was me. the greatest threat to james bond was blofeld or scaramanga . bond was blofeld or scaramanga. i thought his greatest danger came from a terrifying someone intent global domination or a stroking megalomaniac , but in stroking megalomaniac, but in a stunning twist, it turns out that james bond's greatest foe is virtus sensitivity readers whose job it is to suck any joy or entertainment out of great literature and find offence anywhere they can by finding racism, for example everywhere, including places where it isn't. so i wonder sometimes whether it's these woke philistines who are in fact the racists along the sunday telegraph today offer an example of the new look. james bond in the original book version of live and let die, bond says . that would be african bond says. that would be african criminals . the gold and diamond

criminals. the gold and diamond trades are and i quote , pretty trades are and i quote, pretty law abiding chaps , i should have law abiding chaps, i should have thought, except when they've drunk too much . that was the drunk too much. that was the original but woke bond 2.0 in the new book simply says the pretty law abiding chaps i should thought no mention of booze this time round they've gone teetotal the looks of it this is progress is it? where doesit this is progress is it? where does it end ? are russian crooks does it end? are russian crooks to no longer drink vodka or british criminals no longer up to the eyeballs in whisky? this doing my head in i need a stiff one sharpish now to be fair, the publishers of fleming's iconic lovell's novels haven't given his books quite the reordering suffered by charlie the chocolate factory or matilda . it chocolate factory or matilda. it strikes me that the publishers have tried to keep the original spirits of novels, and they cite ian fleming's support for some previous change as when he was alive . most of the updated alive. most of the updated book's contents are still pretty

wild, so fair play. but why change these at all? especially the author now gone . it's my the author now gone. it's my view that art is sacred and untouchable if it emerges problematic for future generations, books like museum pieces that our understanding of the past and serve as a chronicle of the human story and brushing them, tweaking them and giving them a 21st century rewrites , in my view, a chilling rewrites, in my view, a chilling development whilst next should we get the crayons out and the mona lisa a better smile and who decides what and isn't offensive 7 decides what and isn't offensive ? and by what metric ? in many ? and by what metric? in many ways, though, the roald dahl drama and now james bond is a good news story for those who are sick of this woke because the backlash against roald dahl has seen their publishers puffin perform and u—turn , stand up to perform and u—turn, stand up to bullies and all that . i've bullies and all that. i've always said that woke culture

contains within its the seeds of its own destruction and with roald dahl and now james bond these are examples of politically correct censors overplaying their hand and getting an angry reaction from me. in many cases, normal people who never normally enter the political fray . and that's the political fray. and that's the point about wokeism. it ends when the so—called are affected and say no more when ordinary people who don't live on twitter and don't live in leafy london begin to see the real world consequences of this deeply illiberal assault on our society and its institutions . i a and its institutions. i a hilarious piece today in the telegraph by columnist rosa silverman about how parents don't know to dress their kids for world book day anymore because almost every author or book character you can think of is now problem. roald dahl. j.k. enid blyton. putting bear is a problem. doctors use. even walt

disney is now controversial . on disney is now controversial. on many people say they don't care about the woke stuff and that it's confected. it's a war that it's confected. it's a war that it's politicised by, right? and who cares anyway as it doesn't affect them ? well, a hurricane affect them? well, a hurricane doesn't affect you until it reaches home. none of this will blow over if we continue to sit on our hands and put up with. here's the thing . we comply. to here's the thing. we comply. to make the tyranny stop. but to means it never will. these censorious bullies shouldn't be touching a word . ian censorious bullies shouldn't be touching a word. ian fleming's classics . and if there are classics. and if there are offensive terms in his books or awkward characterisations, allow us the public to learn from and reflect on them not be protected from them by an unaccountable 20 something. a subeditor that's just had their diversity training in a publication company . seven. double oh, dear.

company. seven. double oh, dear. oh dear . company. seven. double oh, dear. oh dear. fleming's works should be for your eyes only. i'm sinking sick of this gold finger wagging nonsense. the world is not enough , these idiots. these not enough, these idiots. these changes are a thunder balls up. and when it comes to this kind of outrageous censorship. i say, doctor, no no, no . it's time now doctor, no no, no. it's time now for my meets, in which . i speak for my meets, in which. i speak to the biggest names in the world of politics, showbiz and beyond. tonight highly respected conservative mp and chairman of the influential eurosceptic group of backbenchers , the e r group of backbenchers, the e r g. now mark been the member of parliament for reilly and wickford previously reilly since 2001. in 1983, whilst wickford previously reilly since 2001. in 1983, whilst at university, he joined the territorial army and was commissioned in december 1985 and served with the royal anglican until september 1989, reaching the rank of lieutenant in government. mark has served in government. mark has served in a wide range of ministerial

roles and. in spite of his full schedule, he found time to pen his love letter to brexit, something for which he long campaigned . spartan victory. the campaigned. spartan victory. the insights story of the battle for brexit is out . mark francois, brexit is out. mark francois, welcome to gb news. good evening. thank you for having me. it's great to have you the program. let's get to down tacks is rishi deal a goer. program. let's get to down tacks is rishi deal a goer . well let is rishi deal a goer. well let me know what it is . and we've me know what it is. and we've had a chance to read it and study it. then we can give you an opinion. but the problem is we don't know what it is as i understand it, unless we don't know what it is as i understand it , unless they've understand it, unless they've been briefed in the last or so, i'm not sure even the cabinet have been briefed on it . i'm not sure even the cabinet have been briefed on it. i i'm not sure even the cabinet have been briefed on it . i don't have been briefed on it. i don't think the duke have been given all the details . certainly don't all the details. certainly don't . so it's different. it's difficult to give you a definitive opinion until we actually what's in it. there's been a tremendous amount of cloak and dagger about this as you and your colleagues in the media are well aware. and you

kind of think if the government thought was such a cracking deal thought was such a cracking deal, we would have been told the details by now. so i can give you better opinion when give you a better opinion when we've chance it. if we've a chance to read it. if the dup reject it, well then it's a non—starter, it? it's a non—starter, isn't it? because you won't have power instalment it instalment and therefore it renders the whole project a waste of time correct. and in fact, i think the government understand that. i mean the foreign secretary, james cleverly said on friday and i just want to get the quote right , the government will not sign off on a northern ireland protocol deal without . dup protocol deal without. dup backing . i mean, that couldn't backing. i mean, that couldn't be clearer. that's very clear. engush be clearer. that's very clear. english so the foreign one of the holders of the four great officers of state the government has basically already told us that if the dup don't agree the government won't sign off on the deal government won't sign off on the deal. so and it's always the case right from the get on this that if the dup don't agree and don't go back into stormont, the whole thing is not going to work. what about the air? what

happens if the air guy aren't happy? what are the political implications for the prime minister if he goes over your heads with the support of labour votes ? i don't think any votes? i don't think any conservative prime minister would want to win a potential controversial vote in the house of commons on the back of labour votes because you think it through what would then happen , through what would then happen, you know, the following wednesday sir keir starmer stands at the dispatch box in the commons , says, is there the commons, says, is there anything else i can do for you? because i'm clearly running the place. i mean, i don't think any pm would want to end up in that situation. so if want our support and that of the dup, another mp is show us the legal text because if you're if you're amending protocols or treaties that requires a formal legal text to do it. the rumour is we're going to get a white paper tomorrow . well, that's well and tomorrow. well, that's well and good. we can have a look at

that. but what you really need is the legal take so that you can understand the legal implications of what is proposed and we we have and when we get that, we have a team of lawyers, we call them the star chamber under sir william cash will go through it with a fine tooth comb, call the european research groups. they will it says on the tin will do what it says on the tin and i'm sure other mps too . will and i'm sure other mps too. will and really would plead with and i really would plead with the government don't try and bounce parliament, don't try and force into a vote without information to take a proper decision because previous of when people have tried to do generally and very badly vat rules according to what's been rumoured from from this deal vat he rules at universal university appued he rules at universal university applied across the whole of the uk including northern red and green lines green lanes for goods coming from the mainland straight to northern only, no checks , and potentially legal checks, and potentially legal issues going to stormont first rather than the ecj rather than strasbourg . chris heaton—harris

strasbourg. chris heaton—harris who was your predecessor at the irg ? i think he was there for irg? i think he was there for five years as the chairman. he wasn't my direct predecessor to steve baker's one before, but he's done his stint and he's earned his brexiteer stripes. it's he is the it's fair to say he is the northern ireland. he's quoted in today's sunday times as saying that the have been offered that if the have been offered this deal three years ago, it a bit in hand offer. well, i'm one eurosceptic i'm not sure i would have done so again we i'm sorry to hammer the nail. it is fundamental that now we absolutely need to know the details but look with regard to the european court of justice and eu law , i think it's very to and eu law, i think it's very to accept any where eu law still runs in northern ireland because it would mean that ireland is in a completely different constitutional position to scotland and wales when . we left scotland and wales when. we left the eu . their law no longer the eu. their law no longer continued to apply in those three countries. as such and if

there was a dispute the ecj couldn't arbitrate it, but it can still northern ireland. so i don't believe the dup ever accept that situation , which accept that situation, which means that if that is the basis , the deal, i think unfortunately it's likely to fail all in just a couple of i'll be asking mark francois why he is a conservative if also how he is a conservative if also how he felt on that day in which pubuc he felt on that day in which public british people voted by a majority leave the european union, his as a politician and as a public figure. i'll also be him whether with some hesitation, there in relation to rishi sunak's deal with brussels, whether he's allowing the great to be the enemy of the good are the erg falling into the trap of ideological purity. i'll be putting that to the big man .

next welcome back to mark devlin tonight, the papers still to come but with me and in a moment meets special is the conservative mp and the chairman of the european research group of the european research group of eurosceptic mp mark francois. mark, great to have you in. the studio. thank you for giving up a chunk of your sunday night. what would you normally be doing on a sunday night? hopefully relaxing with my olivia you know, just even politicians know, just just even politicians deserve a off and freshly deserve a day off and freshly married almost you've one year anniversary in june you mustn't that date by the way i'll try not to i mean that was the highlight my year last year highlight of my year last year was a few was olivia. there were a few other going on politics. other going on in politics. i quipped to a friend of mine over the christmas—new year break last year for me was not for weddings and a funeral it was one wedding three prominent one wedding and three prominent that have kept you busy. that would have kept you busy. you have been eurosceptic you have been a eurosceptic since when . can you can you since when. can you can you pinpoint the moment where you thought really not having thought i'm really not having the will? well, look, when i came into the house of commons in 2001, i suppose was on was a

euro wine nation. i made my maiden speech against the treaty of nice , the basis that you of nice, the basis that you might as well start as mean to go on. but at that time you could have put me in a kind of box that would have said remain but right? you and box that would have said remain but them right? you and box that would have said remain but them to right? you and box that would have said remain but them to change)u and box that would have said remain but them to change it and box that would have said remain but them to change it. and box that would have said remain but them to change it. the1d get them to change it. the epiphany me was the lisbon treaty . in 2009 i was working on treaty. in 2009 i was working on that william hague was the shadow foreign secretary arms , shadow foreign secretary arms, the shadow europe minister. so when we debated it, that was 300 pages of dense text. when we debated it in commons, william did the second reading debate and it was then left to me as the junior minister do that the detail of the treaty line by line. we spent points debating that treaty in great and as we went through it it became apparent we couldn't change so much as a punctuation mark and we literally couldn't change any of it. and at the end of it, i said to researcher great guy called christopher howarth , called christopher howarth, we've got to get out of this ,

we've got to get out of this, you know, we're not running our own country . parliament has been own country. parliament has been reduced to the status of, a rubber stamp so that i think for me of it was the me was kind of it was the epiphany . and at that time , epiphany. and at that time, hardly anyone would ever have thought that , you know, we would thought that, you know, we would leave the european union. yet eight years later, we had referendum and we did exactly that. now, far be it from me, of me as somebody that voted remain to be the biggest cheerleader for brexit. but but it seems to have happened that way because a democrat immediately accept the result, brings with it result, think it brings with it huge . but think huge opportunities. but i think that this political and diplomatic standoff with brussels is not doing the brexit cause any favours . as cause any favours. as i mentioned earlier in the show, in my bigger mark one i'm worried about in terms of the iag and the dp being ideal logically pure in relation to brexit, i understand why and it's about sovereignty but it risks playing into the hands of remainers who seek to paint a narrative brexit as a disaster . narrative brexit as a disaster. if we have if we pursue the

northern ireland protocol bill which sees us tear up the agreement, we could have months if not years , trade tensions, if not years, trade tensions, possibly a war, legal fees , a possibly a war, legal fees, a completely non—compliant eu will not engage on any other issues, including stopping the boats. and of course , you know, just and of course, you know, just years and years of deadlock, we don't need that and it doesn't help if the trade war is a complete red herring . it's an complete red herring. it's an idle threat because effect sadly that will require unanimity around the whole of the eu and after the great leadership that we shine on ukraine by boris, then by rishi sunak, i think it's incredibly at the polls in the baltic states . the eastern the baltic states. the eastern europeans aren't established in the after that. so i think the trade war is a red herring . but trade war is a red herring. but needless court cases , but no needless court cases, but no more stalemate. none of no , let more stalemate. none of no, let me try. well, let me try answer your question directly. why is this so important? why does this really matter ? it's about the really matter? it's about the good agreement, because good friday agreement, because we're up to the 25th

we're coming up to the 25th anniversary and there was a poll at the end of january that said 5% of unionist, only 35% would now vote for the good friday agreement, let alone protocol. and the absolute fundamental principle of the good friday agreement is of consent and. the unionists are so disillusioned because of the way the protocol has been operating . there is has been operating. there is a very real risk that the good friday agreement itself could collapse. lord a nobel laureate who sadly died a little while ago, said back in may 2022. john hume i and my great sacrifices to help bring peace to northern ireland and now all of that is at risk and that was david trimble. so if we can't cut the gordian knot of this, if we can't sort this out, gordian knot of this, if we can't sort this out , there is can't sort this out, there is a very real risk that the good friday agreement itself will collapse and we will go back to dark days in northern ireland that no one wants to see. you are the chair of the influential

irg, where will you compromise ? irg, where will you compromise? well, if we are allowed. i'm sorry to say it yet again. see the detail we need to see. we need to see the brexiteers watching the show and listening and really i'm passionate about brexit becoming a success and i think it will be because i think the fundamentals positive we are sovereign nation again but many be anxious that in the end what the eu and perhaps the dup are doing is falling into the ideological purity and essentially having a dream that will never manifest , which essentially having a dream that will never manifest, which is full, total sovereignty , full, total sovereignty, independence from the european courts . well, what's wrong with courts. well, what's wrong with a tweet or improved protocol? why does it have to go all together? many would argue that the going is for the birds. well, all all i and my colleagues have ever really wanted is to live in a free country where we elect our own parliament government and we make our own laws. and we live underin make our own laws. and we live under in peace. i wouldn't call that ideological purity . just that ideological purity. just call it common sense. so we have

left the eu. we legally left in 2020. we no longer got meps in european parliament because we now know we're entitled them. but there is this element of unfinished business and we do need to get this sorted out for. the very pressing reason that i have given you and then your timeline, i mean , the energy is timeline, i mean, the energy is straight on this, your timeline could be ten years. no, i don't think . i don't could be ten years. no, i don't think. i don't think so at think. so i don't think so at all. you know, the foreign secretary has said that. if the dup back this deal, then dup don't back this deal, then neither government. so neither will the government. so it's of the yard it's not a matter of the yard being quiet purists, you put being quiet purists, as you put it. so will government, by it. so will the government, by the give you credit, the way, i'll give you credit, which is you've held the government's feet to the for fire you've already fire years and you've already saved some pretty awful saved from some pretty awful agreements. full agreements. you know, full credit you credit to you for that. you know, take the ideological know, don't take the ideological purity an insult, but the purity as as an insult, but the end, wants a deal. so end, everyone wants a deal. so here's question. it's an easy one. what's going to. well, i mean, we need something mean, we need to do something about friday agreement about the good friday agreement . get that sorted out . . need to get that sorted out. but it was theresa may

but i think it was theresa may who famously no deal is who famously said no deal is better a bad deal the better than a bad deal and the worst possible thing to do in this situation will be to agree a really bad that no one's happy with that makes the situation even worse. i mean this is a one off opportunity because of the deadune off opportunity because of the deadline because all experience deaung deadline because all experience dealing with the eu shows that you need some kind of compression to get them make concessions right. so here is a golden opportunity to this right once and for all. and if we can expunge eu law from northern ireland so they run the european union as they see fit. if there's any disputes they adjudicate under their courts and we, the united kingdom as we see fit and if there are any disputes we adjudicate under our courts, we can hopefully courts, then we can hopefully all rub along nicely. i your point about you need see the point about you need to see the detail you know you're such detail but you know you're such an experienced politician and you've immerse in the you've absolutely immerse in the world uk eu relations over world of uk eu relations over many years. you must have a gut instinct. you must have a slight of what that deal is and what the implications are . what do the implications are. what do you are the percentage

you think are the percentage chances that you'll find it satisfactory week it satisfactory? week well, it really evenly 50. well i would i'm not going to put a number on it because i don't is you already you know because i mean over over couple of whiskies in a cigar you'd be honest with me and you'd say, i'm not and you'd say, mark i'm not having deal. look, the having this deal. look, the fundamental what fundamental thing is what the dup if they say no, dup say, because if they say no, it fly, they don't re—enter. still the executive isn't back up and running. still the executive isn't back up and running . so i'm not the up and running. so i'm not the prime minister. that's stupid. i don't the prime minister is stupid at all. he's a very intelligent man, but he's going to have a deal. that's a non—starter for the dup. so that in a sense, if we're assuming that he's got head screwed that he's got his head screwed on dup swallow this deal at on the dup swallow this deal at which point you're happy. well as it, the have not as i understand it, the have not signed up to this mean i would hope because they're close allies of ours they said we're going to at least get phone going to at least get a phone call after this but as far call after all this but as far as understand it, certainly as as i understand it, certainly as of this evening, you know, they have signed to this. and have not signed up to this. and i is there keen to see i think is there is keen to see

the practical as well but have argued much for the same argued pretty much for the same that we have argued , which is that we have argued, which is that we have argued, which is that the only way to really restore peace, to the situation properly, to get back support for the good friday, to get the unionists back on board, to renew that consent, which is at the heart of the good friday agreement , which which is the heart of the good friday agreement, which which is under underpin peace in northern ireland for a quarter of a century, is to address their concerns and their bottom line concerns and their bottom line concern is to get of eu law so that they are on the same footing as people who live in england or scotland or wales clocks against us don't want to get in trouble with marked party. two quick ones for you. we know that you know, we've got the issue of the protocol needs to be resolved. we can all agree on that we've had the pandemic and massive transition having and a massive transition having left after the four left this block after the four decades membership. so i've decades of membership. so i've always said it's going to be a bumpy i think long it will bumpy ride. i think long it will be success. that's personal be a success. that's my personal view. as remainer.

view. so i say that as remainer. however is brexit that we've however is the brexit that we've currently got better than eu membership because the likes of ben , another red blooded ben, another red blooded brexiteer argues that this current brexit is actually worse than remain. well, you know, ben's his own axe to grind and it's a democracy and you know, he can make his own argument if he can make his own argument if he wants. but yes, you know, we all better off out. just look at the vaccine roll out. we had one of the fastest rollouts in the world so companies that don't bother exporting to the eu anymore because of well we're signing around the world signing trade around the world we've signed over 70 including new ones with australia new zealand know weren't zealand that you know weren't all under the european all exit under the european union. taken back control union. we've taken back control of policy. we've of our trade policy. we've effectively full control effectively now got full control of our foreign policy and look at how well boris and now receives use that in relation to the ukraine run our own show we are sovereign in our own country what are the ukrainians fighting for? they're fighting to be free and we're backing to the hilt. we now have the right to run our

own country as we see fit . and i own country as we see fit. and i believe like that we will prosper as result. and one last quick thing, i self published my book via amazon still available on amazon. by the way . why? on amazon. by the way. why? because when i went to the uk publishing industry were all to wait to publish it. so publishing industry were all to wait to publish it . so that wait to publish it. so that bnngs wait to publish it. so that brings us back to where you came in it most certainly does a thrill to have you in studio. thank you for your candour. good luck this week it's going to luck this week on it's going to be a busy one and congratulations you your congratulations to you and your mrs. on your nuptials almost a year thank you much lucky year ago thank you much lucky lady. pleasure, lady. always a pleasure, buddy. fascinating your fascinating conversation. your reaction interview reaction to my interview with the mark the chairman of the erg, mark francois . plus the papers next. francois. plus the papers next. don't go anywhere .

it's time now for a look at tomorrow's papers . and we shall

tomorrow's papers. and we shall start with the daily . and they start with the daily. and they lead with the following . rishi, lead with the following. rishi, this new brexit deal is for best rishi sunak has promised his brexit deal is the best for britain as he prepares to finally seal an with eu chiefs tomorrow , the pm will meet with tomorrow, the pm will meet with eu commission president ursula von der leyen tomorrow afternoon and is confident his plan to fix the northern ireland protocol will resolve and ensure brexit. brace yourself a warning of a freezing march. well, that's the last thing we need. daily mail. now can sunak sell his brexit deal as eu chief von and flies in tomorrow to shake over northern ireland at windsor. thatis northern ireland at windsor. that is the burning question in their comment page . the daily their comment page. the daily mail say the politics of northern ireland have always excited, powerful and, deep seated passions. but we would urge parties to read the

proposals carefully and analyse them with heads as well as heart. is that a hint from the daily mail that perhaps the likes of the rg and the dup should compromise and accept the deal? i wonder, am i reading between the lines that too too great an extent . that's a look great an extent. that's a look at the times newspaper beckhams should be allowed to come home, says tara . and i've big says tara. and i've big concessions from eu claims. sunak rebels told they will get to vote on at least part of the deal. to vote on at least part of the deal . also exams body lets use deal. also exams body lets use a chat bot to write essays . the chat bot to write essays. the independent boris condemned for us outburst. the former prime was overheard making the alleged remarks to a colleague in the house of commons. this in regard to solving northern ireland protocol in time for joe biden's visit. old boris was quoted as saying f the us could he could he possibly has said that i do not know and i certainly wasn't

present to hear it . sunak on the present to hear it. sunak on the bnnk present to hear it. sunak on the brink of historic brexit deal, say the independent pm sign new agreement with the eu on northern ireland trade the metro brexit ursula von der leyen on her way into britain , the her way into britain, the guardian sunak and wonderland to hold final talks on revised deal hold final talks on revised deal. universal credit far below minimum living costs. deal. universal credit far below minimum living costs . another minimum living costs. another exclusive in the guardian and newcastle made to wait as united grab cup glory . and last but not grab cup glory. and last but not least for now the daily star going to the dogs. what's that lassie? you're nearly extinct. tv legend lassie is no longer favour with pet lovers and only 500 of the college dogs were born last year a 94% drop in iconic tv colleagues wipe—out as vets say , hits a new low. what vets say, hits a new low. what a dog. awful story . those are your dog. awful story. those are your front pages . now let's get front pages. now let's get reaction from my brilliant very excited to have with a three absolute masters of political

intellect. we have delighted to say ingrid tarrant with me in the studio is a tv presenter broadcast star. we also john mcternan and we've got henry as well from the from the conservativehome website . and conservativehome website. and henry look it's all about this brussels deal brexit breakthrough. what's the mood music from your point of view , music from your point of view, is this a goer the government has not handled this well. we were expecting basically to be here a week ago . this this is here a week ago. this this is the dance that was being done last weekend. basically, downing street went to meet with the dup . it didn't seem to have gone well . what i've heard and well. what i've heard and therefore we've had a week's in which they have theoretically, although probably fact although probably not in fact been deal although probably not in fact been deal. and been fine tuning deal. and now we're here. so that doesn't suggest that the government it's going well now . they've going to go well now. they've done a good job with the press as most of the as we've seen. most of the papers are supportive. one's papers are supportive. no one's openly but it's going openly hostile, but it's going to i said the big make or to be, as i said the big make or break decision is will this meet

the dup's lines ? i don't. the dup's red lines? i don't. currently reading the ruins think that it will based on the vibes that we're getting out of the talks and everything else. but we'll have to see. is it possible that the dup will not a tweaked protocol but will return to power ? or do you think it's to power? or do you think it's black and white that they're not having the deal? they won't . having the deal? they won't. absolutely. absolutely not. stormont is the best bargaining they've got. there are people all over the place. just want to ignore that. who want to ignore. the unionists have said that from just from the beginning, who just westminster to westminster and brussels to patch up a deal between them. the know only reason the dup know the only reason they're to by they're being listened to by a of people is they of these people is that they brought stormont and so brought down stormont and so they're they how they're not going. they know how much that bargaining chip is worth they are going to cash worth and they are going to cash it get a real it in unless they get a real concession. there's line, concession. there's that line, henry daily mail in their henry in the daily mail in their comment they're comment section. and they're saying urge all saying that they urge all parties to read the proposals carefully them with carefully and analyse them with head well as heart. it's not head as well as heart. it's not a from the mail that the a hint from the mail that the relevance interest groups should

swallow. this deal potentially. i think it's tough, but i think it's a better warning regards to the urgency up . certainly there the urgency up. certainly there are some people in the iji who just absolute like ideological purists and it could potentially sink this deal on the basis of some of icon or about the ecj. that's a completely reasonable thing. i think it's very different when you're talking to the what's at stake the dup because what's at stake here, their position in the united and i think united kingdom and i don't think it's for anyone on mainland it's for anyone on the mainland to second guess for them the balance of head and heart in arrangement. if, however, john, the prime minister gets this deal across line with the support of the dup and the erg, this will be a turning point in his premiership . it will be his premiership. it will be a major achievement, but it will be like much of the focus groups have already said about said i've have already said about said pve the have already said about said i've the focus groups look i've heard the focus groups look at rushing to go for a guy such at rushing to go for a guy such a mess to clear up and this is just one of the pile of messes he's inherited . cost of living he's inherited. cost of living the trust the risk premium . and

the trust the risk premium. and this one if he gets it done that be good and i think to honest i see rishi sunak and jeremy hunt as potentially being figures john major. and then at the end of the john government doing the right thing for the country, stewarding country to a change of government, i don't he can reverse the opinion poll crash the tory party, but he can actually a decent prime minister. this would be a step that. keir starmer would salivate at the chance to offer the government labour votes to get this deal across the line at the expense of the er g o that's would be sort of all christmases coming at once. think it would be to be able to bail out a tory prime minister having seen two already would be just the icing , the cake. yeah. what it would do ingrid, if that were to happen , if the or g object happen, if the e or g object voted against this legislation, this vote in house of commons to approve any deal with brussels if , it was approve any deal with brussels if, it was labour approve any deal with brussels if , it was labour that got it if, it was labour that got it across the line that perhaps

would rid keir of the ghost of brexit because he say i got brexit, done it was labour votes that secured this agreement . that secured this agreement. yeah. and wouldn't just be yeah. and it wouldn't just be completely hypocritical as well because what he doesn't want to have he wants to go have done, he wants to go reverse it to reverse if he is. yeah.i reverse it to reverse if he is. yeah. i don't that will ever happen. i mean i hope. you probably know better than i do. i think it would be so messy cause such a mess. well, i. it's bleakly in between all this. this this is being done at windsor and there's going to be. i just that they're just going to just chuck that it looks like trump card of getting king charles involved and i find that just a little bit sort of manipulative . i don't like the manipulative. i don't like the whole thing is a bit sort of like thinking messy in my mind . like thinking messy in my mind. wouldn't it be nice to just get this done as such? i do think so? justice for joanna ingrid hope as dominic raab says he will meet family of wife killed by a pilot. this is a guy who

murdered a mother , two within murdered a mother, two within earshot of her children. a seven off his sentence , and he will off his sentence, and he will walk free. you know, i cannot understand it. it's a little bit like very sitting, you know, with gary glitter , you know, he with gary glitter, you know, he got 60 news and he came out after eight. why don't they say this is the centre house and stick to it? why them a sentence and then halve it anyway it's so wrong . why did they clean it up. wrong. why did they clean it up. i've never understood the what the answer to this. i don't know . a sentence is a sentence. end of. indeed, i think it's disgusting . shocking. it's now disgusting. shocking. it's now henry exams body. let's pupil use. i want to write essays . use. i want to write essays. students wanting top marks in essays. students wanting top marks in essays . quote from great essays. quote from great thinkers an expert is to add credence to their argument . now credence to their argument. now they will be able to use a technology a software called chat t t do you know what this stuff is? i mean, so you're so touchy is basically a program

it's called an aggregate. i and i thought it was a dating . i got i thought it was a dating. i got one do you do not really mean i'd love i'd love know what kind of essays they were writing they were quoting from their dating profiles but basically it's a it's learn language model it's not got vast 20 and not it's got vast 20 texts and it's learned off them and you can ask it questions and it produces coherent answers . but i produces coherent answers. but i cannot just based on this story, i understand why you'd have a quote in an exam. you use quote in an exam. you could use it in an exam by having it to cheat in an exam by having it to cheat in an exam by having it answers for you. but it right answers for you. but it's actually not an it's not actually not an intelligence. it's a great intelligence. it's not a great thinker. a historical thinker. it's not a historical source. i don't would source. so i don't see you would ever honestly quote from gtp in an essay , it's a baffling story. an essay, it's a baffling story. we've lots more stories from the papers , including the sun and papers, including the sun and the plus, our strict uniform rules over the top. do we still need school uniforms? are they outdated or an important part of discipline within school ? lots discipline within school? lots more stories in the papers as well . don't go more stories in the papers as well. don't go in .

the accepted. welcome back. and it's the papers right through until 11 in the company of the deputy editor of concerned telephone henry hill tv personality commentator ingrid tarrant and the strategist and, former adviser to tony blair. john mcternan. let's have a look at tomorrow's sun newspaper and they lead with the following . they lead with the following. after the sun back, their case, justice for joanna after the sun back, their case, justice forjoanna harmer after the sun back, their case, justice for joanna harmer victim joanna simpson's family will meet the justice amid fears that her killer will be released after half his . dominic raab after half his. dominic raab today vowed to review brown's parole bid rigorously . the sun parole bid rigorously. the sun told how her kids are terrified . brown killed joanna in in 2010. also deal is done say the

rishi sunak will tomorrow's sign a historic brexit deal over the neither little knot in protocol the pm and eu boss ursula der leyen are to shake hands. the pm and eu boss ursula der leyen are to shake hands . the leyen are to shake hands. the agreements to cut red tape make trade easier across the irish border. number ten, said mr. sunak would ensure it fixes problems on the ground. that sounds like a practise conciliation rather than an ideological one. but we'll see the data telegraph. eu chief flies in to seal brexit deal as revolt brews also . here's a mic revolt brews also. here's a mic drop moment for you plot spoiler lab leak most likely origin pandemic says the us the covid 19 pandemic is most likely to have originated from a laboratory , a us government laboratory, a us government department has concluded the study out on behalf of the us energy department considered authoritative as overseas a network of 17 labs encompassing in advanced biology. network of 17 labs encompassing in advanced biology . tragic. in advanced biology. tragic. tragic story . you'll have heard tragic story. you'll have heard

about this in the headlines with. rey shipwreck kills nine migrants of the coast. also, rob i will quit if claims of bullying upheld. dominic raab has said that he will resign if bullying complaints against him are confirmed in an inquiry. also volodymyr zelenskyy the ukrainian has a bust of winston in his bunker. there you go. at least as one public figure hasn't cancelled churchill. those are more of your front pages and, ingrid. lab leak . pages and, ingrid. lab leak. most likely origin of the pandemic . now, if you'd said pandemic. now, if you'd said that on tv or radio on twitter a year ago have got cancelled. when you would. it was said and it was said . and people were it was said. and people were cancelled up. so they weren't going to about it. i'm so glad it's all beginning to come out bit by bit . we i mean, i got the bit by bit. we i mean, i got the conspiracy theorist myself . i conspiracy theorist myself. i didn't agree with the job because was uncertain. i went

with what did all of the things. of course, like everybody and then started to just questions . then started to just questions. it's very quick you know, to have the and that's why i worried about it then all these other things that it was just like a whiff of about so many aspects of this and this was absolutely yeah it was kind of out there . yeah this is this is out there. yeah this is this is deliberate in actual fact. and then we conspiracy theories. i am so i say so glad this is all becoming true because it actually celebrates like me that were saying all these things and haven't been for very many reasons and all the adverse reactions as well as been going on that being shut up and so it's good good said the side effects cannot be denied no but they have been. but i know when it's your journey it's not really been great era for our political discourse or the dispassionate analysis of

information , evidence based information, evidence based medicine . all of that seems to medicine. all of that seems to have gone out the window, whether it's mask, efficacy, vaccine safety or the origins of the virus . absolutely. i mean, the virus. absolutely. i mean, one of the weird things when you look back over pandemic , how look back over the pandemic, how just signs just completely just the signs just completely switched, you know, at the beginning pandemic, it beginning of the pandemic, it was, it was was, you know, it was progressives tended progressives who tended to be like, is ridiculous. you're like, this is ridiculous. you're overplaying sentiment. i'm anti—chinese sentiment. i'm going taking any going to be taking any precautions and that position completely along completely flipped along the ideological axis. now, here we are. and this thing which as you say, a paranoid conspiracy say, was a paranoid conspiracy theory ago, is being theory year ago, is now being signed united states. signed off by the united states. and do like the house of and i do feel like the house of cards tumbling mask efficacy cards is tumbling mask efficacy is know increasingly is you know increasingly question i can't find anyone willing school closures willing defend school closures anymore and i suspect that lockdowns are something that politicians will eventually disown as a policy. john i always thought about school closures that tony blair would have opposed them. you just need to decide it. the damage to children's education was too was too great. and i think looking

around the world, the some of the approaches by the countries in british columbia , one of the in british columbia, one of the states in canada, which i know quite, they had a much more open attitude towards , socialising , attitude towards, socialising, uh, not quite as wide the swedes, but more controlled and so for that proportional portion . so i think the thing is this wasn't the really bad pandemic this was a test run for the world. there's a much pandemic likely to happen in the coming century. so hope we've learnt every single lesson from it. and will it be and will it be an engineered. it'll be it'll jump from species. is this becoming increasing an increasing frequency of diseases jumping from ? well, i tell you what then from? well, i tell you what then let's have some fun. the next pandemic shall we? let's a party. well, i mean, then one that's just engineered these pandemics are you sound like bill gates. these don't . i can

bill gates. these don't. i can hit the clubs. yeah, well i think. come back after this . think. come back after this. we'll stay on education because the school liverpool has come under fire for uniform under fire for its uniform rules. as girls are said , have rules. as girls are said, have their skirt lengths, take on entry in efforts to support the girls boys of the school wore skirts above the knee and protest while parents branded skirt rule draconian so all street uniform rules over the joe what do you think about this the idea is that the girls are having their skirts measured at school with a tape measure. it sounds slightly pervy it i think it's inappropriate for male teachers to be missing girls and teachers. i mean, the rules are the rules, john. oh, i think the britain's the british with school uniform is ridiculous. what we need to care is the quality of teaching in the classroom and opportunities the kids get for on to further education. higher education will shift onto apprenticeships, not no one disagrees with teaching being good. the good intention with having strict uniform policies. i mean, think strict policies. i mean, i think strict uniform policies are defensible and breakdown

and important. i breakdown social divisions between, you know, stuff it's know, the kind of stuff it's about it's about rules about rules. it's about rules and and also and discipline. and also it means pupils from different means that pupils from different economic backgrounds forced into competition wearing competition about who's wearing what, doesn't show less what, it doesn't show up less advantaged maybe advantaged who maybe can't afford up the fashions afford to keep up the fashions and have all that wardrobe. and have all of that wardrobe. it's policy . john's it's a equalising policy. john's offered to measure your skirts. oh how big of a job? mark dolan tonight has a rule on skirt length. the rules 5555 said to be they were well what john's going to do is bring out his ruler, which he uses quite a lot in a nutshell . a few seconds, in a nutshell. a few seconds, but what do you think? school uniform or no? absolutely for all the reasons . exactly those all the reasons. exactly those reasons. no competition . an reasons. no competition. an easy. you don't have to think about what you're wearing the next day and. i think that all these rules should be upheld absolutely it's that's part of discipline was real treat discipline. it was a real treat to have john mcternan back, a real treat welcome hill for real treat to welcome hill for the first time in a great, great

return to the show from ingrid howard. thank for your howard. thank you for your company weekend. i'm company all this weekend. i'm back on friday at eight. headliners is next

next good evening i'm radisson in the gb newsroom. the president of the european commission will visit the uk tomorrow to continue talks with the prime minister over the northern ireland protocol number 10 says rishi sunak . and ursula von der rishi sunak. and ursula von der leyen will attempts to find a practical solutions to the post—brexit arrangements. after the meeting, the prime minister will brief his cabinet before the two leaders host a joint press conference . he may then press conference. he may then make a statement to the house of commons. however tory backbencher mark is warning rishi sunak not to try to force through a vote before they've had time to scrutinise any deal . the rumour is we're going to get a white paper tomorrow.

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