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but you know, i was getting this maypole job, isn't it, frances? yeah, it is. you sort of stay out of those online spats. i try to. i've been talking quite a bit online about the snp and nicola sturgeon recently, so that's encouraging some engagement. yeah, yeah. no, i'll quite quite enjoy quite enjoy it. you quite enjoy it. only doing for it. i've only been doing it for a few restaurants as a a few months. restaurants as a way to start getting dogpile by crazy animate avatars to see what it's like . anyway, let's what it's like. anyway, let's get some questions from the audience. we've got a question here from roshan. where's roshan, hello. hello. how are you? right. how you? you? i'm all right. how are you? i'm extremist, i'm good. former extremist, radicalising people through comedy. that's an comedy. well that's an interesting so , you know, when interesting so, you know, when i read about this, i did think it was a joke, but it's not. so, you know, the prevent, which is the counterterrorism program. so they've issued a report that says that programs like the thick it. yes, minister thick of it. and yes, minister and the great british and even the great british railway journeys, which is presented by michael potato, obviously works for gb news, but these are warning signs of possible extremism. they also put some books on this list like

lord the is on there. lord of the rings is on there. yeah. so if you're a fan of hobbits, could potentially hobbits, you could potentially become of far right become a sort of far right extremist. what the hell is going on? well, this is how hitler brought he hitler started. he brought so he started we went into started first. we went into literature. yeah. then kind literature. yeah. then he kind of. did a little bit high of. he did a little bit of high fantasy. branched out fantasy. then he branched out into of satirical comedy. into a bit of satirical comedy. and the club. and and then the comedy club. and that's started . and that's when you started. and that's when you started. and that's al—qaeda started ? that's how al—qaeda started? yeah, they do sketches. yeah they know the joke. so this is. this is i mean, genuinely weird. i mean, this kind of idea that because actually they put a list of the very of books. yeah of the very things that radicalise things that might radicalise people. and looked this things that might radicalise peajle. and looked this things that might radicalise pea really|d looked this things that might radicalise pea really good»oked this things that might radicalise pea really good reading. this things that might radicalise pea really good reading. it's s is a really good reading. it's like it's got hemingway and people like, they really people like, they like really good authors. you good quality authors. so, you know, this. know, it's really scary this. well, what shows is once well, what it shows is once you've drank the kool—aid. yeah to a significant degree , far to a significant degree, far right and right is everything. and everywhere bad for you that prevent is a serious organisation as well. by the way, they're supposed to be there to help syria gets things from prevented, not people from being prevented, not people watching. minister. watching. yes, minister. well, i've always a bit sceptical i've always been a bit sceptical about i mean,

about it because i mean, teachers to teachers are supposed to be looking for warning signs to looking out for warning signs to notify, right now, notify, prevent right now, that's teacher that's really hard for a teacher and they're getting wrong and they're getting it wrong like those people are getting getting things as getting things wrong as a result, mean, result, you know? yeah. i mean, if a teacher paid through my dad's it'd dad's window, it'd be like it'd be red beacon. he's be like a red beacon. he's watching. yes, minister. rising, damp. all these things are damp. all these things that are now i mean, it just now far right. i mean, it just smacked to me off of something there's i've been there's something i've been caught one there's something i've been ca these one there's something i've been ca these things. one there's something i've been ca these things. and one there's something i've been ca these things. and in one there's something i've been ca these things. and in the one of these things. and in the office and going, well, you know, because i'm just know, that's because i'm just doing and this is doing research and this stuff is far what's the logic far right. so what's the logic there? that? are there? what is that? why are they saying this stuff they saying that? this stuff leads to the far right? is it because, like tolkien, it's not good and i honestly good and evil. and i honestly don't i think that don't know. i don't think that they know. no, i think they know. no, i don't think that have absolute clue that they have an absolute clue what talking about it. what they're talking about it. they see some and then they they just see some and then they 90, they just see some and then they go, books are from a go, oh, these books are from a few hundred ago. they few hundred years ago. they probably contain racial epithets. they reflect epithets. they probably reflect the values of the time. therefore, is therefore, then hitler is suggesting not reading therefore, then hitler is sug books. not reading therefore, then hitler is sug books. yes not reading therefore, then hitler is sug books. yes good ot reading therefore, then hitler is sug books. yes good advice. ng the books. yes good advice. probably. right. okay we're going move to another going to move on now to another question. is from john. question. this is from john. where's is the where's john? john is the university cambridge guilty

university of cambridge guilty of racism? yeah so this is the school of arts and humanities. they this postgraduate they started this postgraduate course cambridge they course at cambridge and they explicitly excluded white people. it said, you know, it people. so it said, you know, it listed various racial groups listed the various racial groups that could apply and basically white wasn't them. and so white wasn't among them. and so they got a lot of flak for this. and i think that's right. you know, they should get a lot flak for this because i think discriminating by skin colour is morally wrong. mean call me old fashioned. but he's got his my view that old fashioned view is that he's old fashioned and time i know my and with the time i know what my thinking. it wasn't just white people that was it. i think it was specifically class was specifically working class white to mind white people, which to my mind they've banned they've always kind of banned any working class any way. now many working class white doing what they've done white i doing what they've done is they changed so they're is they changed it so they're now that they're to now saying that they're going to they're discriminate by they're going to discriminate by socio so in socio economic privilege. so in other will other words, actually, it will benefit people class benefit people in working class backgrounds, irrespective of skin colour, which better skin colour, which is a better way quotas actually if way to do quotas actually if you're going classes. you're going to the classes. yeah. francis. yeah. do you think francis. yeah, think there is a better yeah, i think there is a better way to do quotas. i'm just glad that they were honest. they were

all. don't want weeks all. we just don't want weeks here. know, you're here. yeah you know, if you're going come in, do useful all going to come in, do useful all the plumbing that's you do to make the books going to make the books you just going to get dirty. you're not going to understand it there. you just need as there is need to smell as there is something really i this something really i mean, this whole this whole sort of this lurch identity politics that is particularly captured the left for it really has for some reason it really has rehabilitated it has rehabilitated racism. it has increased racism. us increased racism. it's made us more race in more hyper aware of race in a really regressive. so how do we how do coke? don't how do we do coke? don't understand your i understand your point. i going to i look into the to when i look out into the audience i make a mental note. i put everybody in a category and then i judge everybody by how they what's wrong with they look. what's wrong with there that's the future. there we go. that's the future. that's that's progressive. this isn't there it is right there. we've got another this we've got another now. this one's heather. hello, one's from heather. hello, heather. hi are american heather. hi. hi are american newspapers to drop the dilbert cartoon strip? right. you've seen dilbert. it's the old character in various newspapers in america, including los angeles times, washington post . angeles times, washington post. they've stopped running the cartoons because the creator who's called scott adams , he was who's called scott adams, he was responding to think it was a

survey about the phrase, it's okay to be white. yes. which is . do you agree or disagree? right because that's an old satirical thing that came from some groups. i think. so then . some groups. i think. so then. theni some groups. i think. so then. then i think about half of the people responded, said, i disagree with the phrase that it's to white. and he it's okay to be white. and he said that was that this was said that that was that this was if a hate group, that if those were a hate group, that was that. but then he did say some dodgy stuff like he then said, at this point said, i think at this point white people to run white people just need to run away from black people. that can't just can't be fixed. that's just racist. racist. he racist. well, that is racist. he did was white. i'm quoting did say was white. i'm quoting what was said the bbc. i no, what was said in the bbc. i no, no not suggesting were no not suggesting you were racist and that not on your own show might was just show you might but was just implying but isn't i implying that. but isn't that i mean i can clarify . mean he did say i can clarify. if he did say that, then i consider that to be a racist comment. so so with i, i, i comment. so and so with i, i, i think was 26% of the people that responded to percent the responded to percent of the black people responded to black people that responded to this said that this poll said that they disagreed the it's to disagreed with the term. it's to be which is also mental be white, which is also mental and he labelled that as a hate group, which i think most of us

would do to some degree if that was i said that i agree that it's not okay so it's not okay to be black or asian or anything. you would me in a category of hate because but again you know but this is these these identitarian discourses that about which now that i'm talking about which now basically rehabilitate racism. that's do. and i think that's what they do. and i think the thing these items is, the thing with these items is, again, i'm for a second justifying what said, because justifying what he said, because i morally wrong. i think it's morally wrong. yeah, comes of yeah, but i think it comes of it's reaction against these it's a reaction against these other form of racism, which is coming from the left. and so can we just back to this point? we just get back to this point? we just don't judge people by the their skin the colour of their skin or treat them differently. how about so wrong about that? what was so wrong with well, he's 20, 23 with the idea? well, he's 20, 23 and you need to know that the only way we can overcome racism is for the colour of is by people for the colour of their it just drives up their skin. it just drives me up their skin. it just drives me up the so it. that is how the wall. so you it. that is how you do it. but no, i actually i've watched scorch videos several because we've several times because we've interviewed show. interviewed scott on my show. okay. looks like okay. point which now looks like a of dodgy book i'm going to a bit of dodgy book i'm going to be honest with you. but i was watching you've seen it so yeah

so was it a joke or something? i'm no, no, no, no. he i'm like, no, no, no, no, no. he said, dodgy things and then he went down it. he went doubling down on it. he went, shouldn't be near went, you shouldn't be near them. goes, do what i did them. he goes, do what i did move into an area where there's practically no black people . practically no black people. it's safer and you know, and then at the end of the video, he just smiled and went. didn't expect that, did you? okay. no didn't. but you know, here's the thing about this. you mean if we talk about cancel culture and stuff, sometimes people say horrible things , criticising horrible things, criticising them for is the right thing to do. would absolutely expose do. i would absolutely expose scott undeniably racist scott said was undeniably racist and he should apologise and this is the trouble with making everything racist, though, isn't it? way, i it? because i by the way, i hadnt it? because i by the way, i hadn't seen that video and it is absolutely racist. i agree yeah, but by making everything everybody says all the time slightly racist or, you know, calling out this racism , it calling out this racism, it chucks this stuff out. you don't , know, is the stuff , you know, this is the stuff that people then don't say on demand. even have a survey demand. why even have a survey saying with the saying do you disagree with the phrase okay to white. i

phrase it's okay to be white. i mean really you i mean you are stoking all kinds of resentment and yeah i don't and trouble that. yeah i don't know who did survey. what know who did the survey. what did his own survey. who did he do? his own survey. who knows? move on. knows? anyway, let's move on. okay going go on to another okay going to go on to another question a question now. we've got a question. someone the question. someone in the audience got philip sir audience here, we got philip sir philip hi you're philip. philip here. hi you're philip. hello. hi. kate have gone hello. hi. should kate have gone pubuc hello. hi. should kate have gone public her views gay public with her views on gay marriage? the snp marriage? so of course, the snp looking new leader now looking for a new leader now that sturgeon's kate that sturgeon's back down. kate forbes since she came forbes very young since she came i about 30. she's hoping i think about 30. she's hoping to there's also sorts be to come me there's also sorts be this humza yousaf the swinney again it for like a few again who did it for like a few years back in the early so years back in the early 2000. so there's possible there's also the possible possible forbes possible people. but kate forbes is she is interesting, isn't she because she's very religious, very christian yeah. does she doesn't like doesn't like very christian yeah. does she does doesn't doesn't like very christian yeah. does she does doesn't like doesn't like very christian yeah. does she doesdoesn't like docase.like very christian yeah. does she doesdoesn't like docase. i

is religious, they are going to have those views. and it doesn't matter if they're christian, if they are muslim , they're jewish, they are muslim, they're jewish, they're going to have those views because those the views because those are the views because those are the views religion holds. views that that religion holds. yeah. what going to yeah. so what are you going to do? you're to preclude do? you're going to preclude religious from holding religious people from holding office. compatible. religious people from holding offi(this compatible. religious people from holding offi(this is compatible. religious people from holding offi(this is a compatible. religious people from holding offi(this is a bit compatible. religious people from holding offi(this is a bit like ompatible. religious people from holding offi(this is a bit like withatible. religious people from holding offi(this is a bit like with tim 3. but this is a bit like with tim farron, the trouble of saying that being gay was him or whatever was. he said again, whatever it was. he said again, the these people of the point is, do these people of these views base their these religious views base their policy decisions views? policy decisions on views? because that a problem. because that could be a problem. i it really could be a i mean, it really could be a problem. but at this point, we don't know the problem is, is if you believe in freedom of speech if you believe in a liberal democracy, if you believe that people the right to people should have the right to go into the highest, go into the highest of state, how are you going to preclude someone just because they're religious? so this really difficult i saw kemi badenoch was interviewed about this of she's the this and of course she's the equalities minister and the interviewer know , do interviewer said, you know, do you kate forbes for you condemn kate forbes for saying this? and she if saying this? and she said, if you condemn her, you think i ought condemn her, you think i ought condemn her,

you understand job. she you don't understand my job. she made the point that the equalities also equalities minister is also there religious there to protect religious freedom saying she's freedom and she's saying she's entitled to have this religious belief. it's the belief. and again, it's the point i'm making so as point i'm making so long as it doesn't up she starts doesn't end up that she starts saying we need to ban gay marriage. right. but she's not suggesting, the suggesting, well, this is the you should i think she you know, she should i think she showed integrity. don't showed great integrity. i don't i with view. but i don't agree with her view. but she and, you know, she didn't lie. and, you know, and thing she didn't do is and one thing she didn't do is she what i believe. but she this is what i believe. but it doesn't mean that it changed it. well, i would change the policy taking policy because you're taking everybody in spectrum into everybody in that spectrum into account. very account. yeah, it's very interesting, that's interesting, isn't it? that's going on i'm sure going to go on and on, i'm sure we've got a question, one more question we've got oliver. question we've got from oliver. always like always on oliver higher like should you apologise tell should you apologise if tell offensive , francis yeah. offensive jokes, francis yeah. well well this is about stephen fry. it is a stephen fry was it was a talk at some cricket club. yeah. yeah. he was giving a talk at a cricket morally bound cricket club and he was accused of making misogynistic and racist remarks at a dinner. and what i suggest is what is what i would suggest is what is what i would suggest is what is

what more likely stephen what is more likely that stephen fry, the sort of left leaning, you know, luvvie, he's always very progressive and has suddenly overnight become a racist, misogynist, amazing, you know, or was he telling some jokes because he's a comedian . jokes because he's a comedian. well, i think well, yeah. they put a comedian and a comedian. right. | put a comedian and a comedian. right. i can't say what he said i'll have read what he said but it's not bad, it's, it's just an off by the way, i didn't see the context . i wasn't there. what context. i wasn't there. what surprises me than anything is that somebody there can you imagine the sort of people that were at this place? by the way, it' s £90 a head and someone not it's £90 a head and someone not just because it's £90 a head, but this is this is people that are followed cricket all their life. they didn't they went to cambridge. right. they from my background they background company, they complained. no, it's very odd, isn't more they isn't it. just more upset they my material. well know what i should point out by the way, that fry said he did not make the saying that he the comments saying that he made, he's absolutely made, but know he's absolutely certain that that he's certain to me that that he's he's going to be jokes he's going to be making jokes and be the end of and that should be the end of

the conversation surely. well, this is it. so he's that he didn't make the comments he didn't make the comments that he made. there's a very made. billy there's a very famous very famous comedian who's very good on burr . and on this. he's bill burr. and bill always makes a point that when you make a joke you say it and then the audience here is in in concert with whatever stuff that they've going on in their heads. yeah. so you say something that is not offensive and is not intended to be offensive. now you listen to it , cut it with whatever is going on in their head, maybe even mishear it and all of a sudden what you said becomes deeply. and why you can't and that's also why you can't read penalise people read it. penalise people if other offended, can other people are offended, can you? it's such a you? yeah, because it's such a subjective . i agree. subjective thing. i agree. exactly. by coming exactly. so. and by then coming out then trying to get fry out and then trying to get fry cancel what you doing cancel what you were doing is you're environment you're making the environment difficult for every single comedian who's trying to make jokes very one indeed. anyway, we're going move on now. we've got take a break. but after got to take a break. but after the free speech the break, i'm free speech nafion the break, i'm free speech nation defence nation and leading defence analyst join to discuss the analyst will join to discuss the first anniversary of russia's invasion of. ukraine. you in invasion of. ukraine. see you in a minutes .

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provided the west look back provided the west to look back at the events of last year and discuss what could happen next, i'm joined now by defence analyst lieutenant colonel stuart crawford. thank you much for joining me today. so it's forjoining me today. so it's been a year everyone thought this would in a matter this would be over in a matter of weeks. what well of weeks. what happened? well think i mean, i thought it be overin think i mean, i thought it be over in a matter of weeks. the whole thing started. but i think , putin and the russians with the classic mistake of underestimate the enemy. and the classic mistake of overestimating the professionalism and of the russian armed forces , which has russian armed forces, which has been. they have been found, sadly wanting, which i think has come as a surprise to military or ex—military professionals like me , because i spent, you like me, because i spent, you know, the best part of 15 years in germany facing the russian hordes, thinking that, you know, we might stop them for 5 minutes. and now, of course, i'm not so sure because they seem incompetent. you've been watching these unfold. and from a strategic of view, what do you think been the main

think have been the main blunders that putin has has done? well, the main blunder was was he could drive was thinking that he could drive down to kyiv the down the motorway to kyiv the government in puppet government put in a puppet government, the russian government, move in the russian administration and, you know, really russophobia you like. the ukrainian. yes people. i think that was big mistake. i also think that he thought he would be welcomed a liberator in some areas has proved not to be the case. of course, the landscape has proved to be i mean, a wonderful wartime leader in his own way . and in terms of pr, own way. and in terms of pr, he's way ahead of putin. yeah. i mean, does this suggest that putin is actually losing the propaganda war? because, you know, obviously russian state may out the that may just put out the idea that ukraine is a far right ukraine is really a far right territory. this all those kinds of things. but putin's popularity really among popularity is really high among russians. so it is high. and i think that's partly or perhaps mainly because , you know, putin mainly because, you know, putin could controls the state media and they will out really stuff that he approves of. he certainly hasn't won the pr war in the west or in the usa or

nonh in the west or in the usa or north america where zelenskyy is a bit off. i in many ways now i know know zelenskyy is not and you'll know is why he's not completely flawless in dividual but he has certainly risen to the occasion and proved his mettle . i mean, has a lot of it mettle. i mean, has a lot of it been his capacity to persuade other governments to support him because they share a number the amount, amount money amount, the amount of money that's been put into this war from the west is astronomic. yeah.i from the west is astronomic. yeah. i think that's part of it. there a question of there is also a question of whether now involved whether we are now involved in a proxy where nato's up against russia and the ukrainians are doing the fighting . it's not doing the fighting. it's not quite a proxy war because . nato quite a proxy war because. nato is not necessarily direct to the agenda or the strategy or the tactics, but of course ukraine is trying to do is very much in nato's interests , hence the nato's interests, hence the large amounts of aid, both humanitarian and military, that's going into kyiv. but also, there have been overtures years about the idea of ukraine becoming part of nature in the eu and this is i mean, to what extent do you think i putin's

whole argument for many many years has been this possibility of nato expansionism. do you think there anything in that any merit from merit to that? no, i think from from russian perception, there from a russian perception, there may have i don't may well have been. i don't think personally, i think personally, although, i mean, being very mean, unless i'm being very naive it was a sort of nato naive that it was a sort of nato nato strategy to expand to the east, to constrain russia, and eventually regime . i eventually the russian regime. i think it's a matter of perceptions here. yes, it's no, it's going to be pretty for ukraine to join nato, although i think the end they will do. think in the end they will do. but of course, the thing that that putin has got completely wrong. it didn't understand that by attacking ukraine, the other bordering states would become concerned. and of course now we've got sweden and finland applying and will nato eventually and finland before sweden i think. and i mean, you know, he's that's completely counterproductive from his point of view and if that happens, i mean, that's sowing the seeds of some very dangerous things , some very dangerous things, isn't it, if they are part of nato and russia breach nato and russia does breach those borders , then becomes a those borders, then it becomes a global conflict . well, i think

global conflict. well, i think it comes up. certainly it comes up. yeah, certainly becomes regional conflict. and most i think also most certainly i think also global in term, at least in terms of naval warfare . and, you terms of naval warfare. and, you know, if russia takes on nato, there's i mean, there's no doubt about it, russia will lose nato's far, far better equipped , far more adept military operations. and that it's at end game for russia. and yet a lot of people are predicting that china will increasingly become i mean, they're already talking about their support for russia from china. i if that does happen, that changes everything, doesn't it? well, it's certainly switches the dial higher. russia to date has not sent in any of what they call lethal aid to russia, at least not that we know of from open sources . and know of from open sources. and of course, there is this conflict in the in the pacific where the us and china are not quite at loggerheads yet, but there's definitely competition there. i think china does send

large quantities of weaponry to. russia and the one thing it will do is prolong the war even further than i it would ever end. last so where do we go from here? what's going to happen now? is this just the kind of conflict that there is no end in? well, there's no there's no end in sight yet. i think that at the moment we're going through a bit a bit of a sort of operational pause while. russia is sort reforming and recuperating and re equipping and conscripting more soldiers, and conscripting more soldiers, and that will take them time. people say that the russians spnng people say that the russians spring offensive has already started . i don't think that is started. i don't think that is the case. i think they're mounting a number of spoiling attacks to the attacks to prevent the ukrainians going on the offensive and don't think the ukrainians yet the wherewithal to mount a proper what i'd call a proper strategic offensive, which i think will be designed to retake crimea . and i think to retake crimea. and i think crimea is , the strategic goal of crimea is, the strategic goal of both sides , he or she, who both sides, he or she, who controls crimea, controls the

black sea and the entrance to the sea of azov. and i think that if putin give up, he will not give up crimea. so ukraine would have to take it . but not give up crimea. so ukraine would have to take it. but i think and i've always thought if ukraine managed to take crimea, then there might at least be the beginning of a concerted rotation of peace talks. is that the way out then? diplomacy ultimately ? is it even possible? ultimately? is it even possible? well, it always is . and unless well, it always is. and unless you go back to the second world war and the allies demand for unconditional surrender for the regime , i don't see that's going regime, i don't see that's going to happen anymore. it's to happen anymore. i think it's got to be brought to a negotiated halt at some point. but at the moment, i don't see either side being prepared to compromise . yes, we haven't got compromise. yes, we haven't got to that point yet where that point is. and when it might happen. i mean , i wouldn't happen. i mean, i wouldn't venture to guess. and a lot commentators point and talk about putin and the nature of his character the nature of his ego and idea that in order ego and the idea that in order to win him round , it would have to win him round, it would have to win him round, it would have to look had a victory to look like he's had a victory in call the golden

in what they call the golden bridge idea. you've to give him a way out. you've got to give him something to go to the russian and say, russian people and say, actually, all worth it. actually, this was all worth it. yeah, to be there yeah, he's not going to be there the way that they. it's the way that they. well, it's going to be very difficult because obviously the ukrainians have but of a have a say in all that. but of a sort mind game scenario sort of mind game scenario whereby crimea is taken by the ukrainians then the ukrainians and then the ukraine's might look at the donbas or those russian parts of the donbas and say, you know what? maybe negotiate what? maybe we can negotiate some of land swap some sort of land swap agreement, but a long way away from that yet . very interesting. from that yet. very interesting. well lieutenant colonel, thanks so much forjoining me tonight. so much for joining me tonight. if cover . so then after the if cover. so then after the break on free speech nation i'm going to joined by the author of a new book on the decision to close the tavistock gender clinic. see you in just 3 minutes time. oh .

oh welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me. andrew doyle . so nation with me. andrew doyle. so the tavistock agenda clinic. oh, by the way, before we begin, i should say that we're going to be doing our unfiltered dilemmas tonight. i've got paul cox and francis foster in studio to help you with your problems. please do at gb views at do email us at gb views at gbnews.uk. and we will do our best to answer your your problems. any problems at all. just send them through. the just send them through. so the tavistock identity clinic tavistock gender identity clinic in due to close the in london is due to close in the next few weeks it was. the nhs is only such facility for children and people children and young people and the shut the clinic the decision to shut the clinic follows an independent review into identity services. into gender identity services. hannah barnes has written a book about tavistock and i'm about the tavistock and i'm delighted say she me delighted to say she joins me now. welcome to now. hannah bonds, welcome to the show. so for those watching you don't know about the tavistock gender clinic and why it was shut, what were the main problems there? there were many.

i mean, one was that we had, as you said one national service for england and wales for and that's it that's it. so they were completely overwhelmed. the numbers that were being referred, which dramatically increased from 2009 onwards. and really that this sort of explosion around 2015. so they haven't been out to cope with the numbers , the independent the numbers, the independent review that you mentioned undertaken by dr. hilary cass has said that that one one service model isn't isn't sustainable and it is . and that sustainable and it is. and that needs to be a fundamental rethink. now, we've had a hint at what the new services replacing the gender identity development will be, which sort of talk to what the problems were . one is the need to be more were. one is the need to be more holistic , dr. cass's said. so holistic, dr. cass's said. so taking into any other difficulties that young people might be experiencing and this is what many clinicians have said that young people presenting, of course, were distressed around their gender

or had gender incongruence. but there was so much else going on besides so you've mentioned other issues, you know, issues as you note that between i think 18 90% of those referred with same attract it so they same sex attract it so they might be dealing with well we really and this is part of really data and this is part of the surrounding the the problem surrounding the service so that comes service generally so that comes from one referral. yeah. 2012 of the of those are of the older age is so over but yeah yeah that as well as and also the preponderance of those suffering from autism within the pool and also other issues but a lot of the critics will say but if you start this sort of explorative therapeutic process that's a form of trans conversion therapy that's what the accusation and indeed there are moves to outlaw that.is indeed there are moves to outlaw that. is that something that concerns you? well all i can say is that many clinicians have worked their say the what many of those young people needed was more explorative therapy. they weren't saying they would rule out physical transition at all, but they were saying that some some assessments were

some of the assessments were were quick and just were too quick and they just couldn't in anything that couldn't in anything else that was if they you know, was going on, if they you know, a very few number were two sessions. but even in the 3 to 6 sessions. but even in the 3 to 6 session model that budgets followed, they just well, that's that's really not that much time to explore all that might be going on. and it wasn't it wasn't rolling out wasn't about rolling out a puberty blockers as we know them at all it was about whether it was trying to make sure that if that decision were taken that it was the right one or as right as it is as it could be. so and you know, and even gates themselves say it's exploratory . talking say it's exploratory. talking therapy is not conversion therapy is not conversion therapy . so. well, that's therapy. so. well, that's a really important point, isn't it? because the accusation seems to be that tavistock has been adopting the affirmative model insofar as a child says, i think i'm in the wrong body. and they affirm that rather explore possibilities. so that that seems to be at the heart of this problem. well, i think the difficulty what emerged difficulty was that what emerged was of clinician's was sort of a clinician's lottery. and something that lottery. and it's something that dr. noted in her dr. cass's has noted in her

report. so there was no there was no consistency , the service. was no consistency, the service. so you could have some clinicians , what you might call clinicians, what you might call more affirmative model. so an assessment be quite quick. but other clinicians were conducting their assessments over you know, maybe 20, 30 a appointments and that's something that the care quality commission found so it wasn't and this is where the problems emerge because depending on how one viewed the young people in front of them, it would really shape how you you helped them. so they're not keeping records particularly well and have a completely well and they have a completely different depending on different approach depending on the question . i the clinician in question. i mean, and you're hearing stories from have now from people who have now detransition saying there were one face meetings one or two face to face meetings and were on the path that and they were on the path that that well spoken to. that can't be well spoken to. you know, several young people, they're all young adults now for they're all young adults now for the book. some of them are very happy. the book. some of them are very happy- i the book. some of them are very happy. i have to stress that the people really people have had really experiences some whom, experiences there and some whom, frankly, harmed and frankly, have been harmed and badly harmed . you know, one of badly harmed. you know, one of them has detransition now she's

she's doing really well, actually, but she she said her assessment was so lacking in any thoroughness. you know, she she had had a same sex relationship been made to feel quite ashamed about that prior to her identifying as trans she's had some really quite bad mental health problems disordered eating , you know, all these eating, you know, all these things that weren't really considered in her five appointments. you know, she was at the older end of the she was sort of 1617 when she was say so she went straight to services, got testosterone to her first appointment because her gita assessment was taken as gospel, she but actually the she says. but actually the assessment wasn't very good in case. really case. i mean, that's really worrying. let's talk worrying. i mean, let's talk about that. same about that. the same sex attracting insofar , as attracting issue insofar, as i've spoken to a number of gay activists who sort of out of retirement because they're now seeing these old seeing these sort of old regressive ideas. know, regressive ideas. you know, there's between there's this correlation between gender non—conformity and youth and in later and homosexual as seen in later life, not exact science, life, it's not an exact science, but it's a strong correlation. and, , whistleblowers at and, you know, whistleblowers at the tavistock have about the tavistock have talked about

homophobia. been the homophobia. could have been the driving force behind a lot of these effectively , if these things effectively, if you're gay kids to make you're fixing gay kids to make them in line with them more in line with heterosexual assumptions, well, that the fear and i think it's really important to say that that was obviously not the intention and it wasn't a conscious thing. it might have been that that was the been that that that was the result. and you know, result. and i think, you know, one of the coalitions i spoke to in the book and i have to say, i think a myth that the only think it's a myth that the only people concerned about this were clinicians who were gay themselves. not the themselves. absolutely not the case. said case. the vast majority said that many of the young people that so many of the young people i saw had you know, had been same attracted. same sex attracted. yes. or worse obviously identify worse i it obviously identify with the natal sex but . one of with the natal sex but. one of the questions i spoke to dr. mark bristow raised exactly the same point. you're that actually many of the behaviours in childhood which might indicate a trans outcome in adulthood would also a gay or lesbian also indicate a gay or lesbian or bisexual outcome in adulthood and that seem to be being forgotten because this was a gender service and, everything was being viewed the was being viewed through the prism and that's he prism of gender and that's he said he and others were

said it was he and others were trying to impress upon their colleagues that you know it might be that that young person would be trans, but would grow up to be trans, but actually it's also a strong actually it's also a very strong indicator they might grow indicator that they might grow up gay. what happened up to be gay. and what happened when raised when these clinicians raised these concerns ? well, two these concerns? well, two things. so, one is there would be lots of talk. so it wasn't that there was no opportunity to talk, but then nothing would happen cases . and the happen in some cases. and the other thing that would happen is that in some cases, these clinicians would be of clinicians would be sort of scapegoated . they've used that scapegoated. they've used that term with me that branded troublemaker as and not necessarily wasn't an overt way. but then somewhere or other they would leave the service because they tried to raise these concerns over and over again and not just with injured but within the wider tavistock trust itself . and then you they took those concerns out of the trust. but they did so for years and years and years over and over again to numerous people and effectively nothing nothing changed. is that

part of a broader problem with the discourse surrounding gender identity insofar as those who raise concerns , these kinds of raise concerns, these kinds of concerns are often branded as being hateful or transfer phobic, and therefore their views are automatically dismissed . well, i think one of dismissed. well, i think one of the reasons i wanted to write the reasons i wanted to write the book is that if you sort of the book is that if you sort of the average partly layperson, you might think that there's no lack of agreement in how best to care for this often distressed group of young people . and where group of young people. and where there is disagreement, it's by transphobia, but nothing could be further from the truth. and in gender clinics, you know, here but in europe and in the us, we've started to see now there is a lack of agreement on how best to treat each and every one of these young people. you know, for some it may well be and seems to be a physical transition, but for many was what these conditions were saying it won't be and it was very clear up to helping those for whom it would work and not those for whom it wouldn't is

what say and i think they've said to me that the word gender had just muddied the waters. it meant that , as dr. kassa said, meant that, as dr. kassa said, that the service didn't receive level of oversight one would expect from from nhs england and from others , our regulators, from others, our regulators, from others, our regulators, from our politicians, from the media. i think a lot of people listening to what you're saying. i mean, will be thinking, you know, but we're dealing with very young people, people who are surely are prepubescent, surely shouldn't be able to make these decisions that might affect the rest of their lives. and also, is it not the case that most of these feelings dysphoria are these feelings of dysphoria are resolved naturally through puberty? puberty that puberty? the very puberty that is, a halt is put on it is, in fact, a halt is put on it by these drugs. a few things. so you can't be prepubescent and go on the block. you have to you have at least got to. yeah have have at least got to. yeah have have started have to have to have started you have to got call stage two. got to what they call stage two. and while it is the that some young very young children have commenced treatment with the blocker sort of nine year olds have been referred ten year olds have been referred ten year olds

have certainly started in the uk. in the uk . have certainly started in the uk. in the uk. but have certainly started in the uk. in the uk . but the numbers uk. in the uk. but the numbers at the lower end very, very small. so partly because of the length of just waiting lists, the majority are sort of 14, 15, you this will, you know, adolescence rather than that lower age bracket . older studies lower age bracket. older studies this albeit they're all flawed . this albeit they're all flawed. i mean the evidence base is very very it's sort of small small number of participants. no long follow up did indicate did seem to show that yeah in the majority of cases the gender gender incongruence resolve as as as a young person went through puberty . you know some through puberty. you know some in the trans community say well what that evidence apply that evidence base doesn't apply to this group of young people . but this group of young people. but you know that old evidence base actually is the evidence base thatis actually is the evidence base that is used to justify the treatment as well. so i think it's difficult to that is what

the old study showed . all the the old study showed. all the studies are flawed. they're small so we need better studies, right? sure i mean, more discussion. well, hopefully your bookis discussion. well, hopefully your book is an important step on the way to that. hannah barnes, thank you so much for joining way to that. hannah barnes, thank you so much forjoining me today . and after the today today. and after the break, i'm free speech nation. i'm to be discussing sir keir starmer's five missions and whether he has it takes to become the next prime minister don't go away. go .

welcome back . free speech nation welcome back. free speech nation with me andrew doyle . on with me andrew doyle. on thursday, sir keir starmer unveiled what he's called his or labour's five bold missions . labour's five bold missions. they're going to form the basis of the party's manifesto for the next general election. starmer made a in manchester and made a speech in manchester and he said labour would make he said that labour would make britain fastest growing britain the fastest growing economy the and promised to economy in the and promised to reform the nhs. well joining me

to discuss this now, i joined by the writer and political commentator oxley. john do you make of the five mission, what are the five missions? so the one that caught the headlines is to make britain the fastest growing economy in the g7, which is the sort of leading countries in the world economically, but also the more few domestic one. so the next one was about the green energy transmission , super green energy transmission, super charging britain as a green economy moving towards net zero. yes. then there was pledges around reforming the judiciary and crime and building the efficacy of the nhs and reforming education standards . reforming education standards. okay, so this is kind of like a tease for what the manifesto ultimately will be when it comes to the general election, because he hasn't been it's a bit light on sort of policy specifics, isn't it? that's exactly it. i mean, keir starmer, the way he framed it was he's setting where he wants to go. but the detail will follow later. enough. will follow later. fair enough. do that labour are the do you think that labour are the party the economy?

party to boost the economy? because , maybe because historically, maybe not so well i think in the so much. well i think in the early play they did, but they inherited an economy that was already growing. the question whether take one that whether they can take one that has struck for so much time has been struck for so much time and real when you into and the real when you get into thatis and the real when you get into that is the how and the why . that is the how and the why. because in four or five months ago, liz truss came in saying she was going to grow the economy she was going to do it via tax cuts and we all know what happened next. yes, the question is, if you're keir starmer probably starmer and, you're probably not going offer a tax going to want to offer a tax cuts to the rich. what can you put in and isn't going to work? yeah, but he's not saying that is he. he's giving us the is he. he's not giving us the specifics how he's to specifics of how he's going to do it. from what i understand, he that it's going he is suggesting that it's going to take two terms. he's saying that. the end of his first that. so by the end of his first term, have you'll see some term, he'll have you'll see some signs growth. what do you signs of growth. what do you think do it's think he's going to do if it's not going be tax cuts for the not going to be tax cuts for the rich? i think probably you're going to see perhaps spending than seen previously. than we've seen previously. i think see some think you will probably see some elements you there elements of, you know, there are tax they be aimed at tax cuts. they will be aimed at

the that will the poorest. that will be probably increases to government spending people spending around people who benefits but i think benefits and things. but i think the is what big can he the question is what big can he pull? the one a lot of pundits talk about is housing reform. but a hugely difficult to but that's a hugely difficult to try get on the table and get try and get on the table and get through. so why think through. so why do you think he's announcement now? he's made this announcement now? i the case that i mean, isn't it the case that the general election for him is pretty much in the bag anyway? i mean, isn't necessarily mean, this isn't necessarily about is it? about winning people, is it? well, a week's a long well, we say a week's a long time in politics and we've got over a year until the next general i think what general election. i think what keir trying do, keir starmer is trying to do, there's lot of people who are there's a lot of people who are still the fence, okay, they still on the fence, okay, they don't more years of don't want five more years of the but are they going the tories, but are they going to turn out and vote labour in sufficient give him sufficient numbers to give him a big and i think what big majority? and i think what he's to is say to he's trying to do is say to those people that, we do have a plan if the people who voted plan and if the people who voted conservative whether conservative in 2019, whether that's wall or that's in the red wall or whether even in seats in whether it's even in seats in the south, it's to say, look, i'm not jeremy corbyn. my plan isn't nuclear disarmament and nationalising anything i can see it's. are some sensible it's. here are some sensible pro—growth policies are going to

fix your problems. so this fix your problems. yes. so this is about sort of is very much about sort of winning floating winning those floating voters. and there's of people to and there's a lot of people to be over. and a lot of be won over. and there a lot of people who would never traditional supporters people who would never tradiweren't supporters people who would never tradiweren't happy;upporters people who would never tradiweren't happy withyrters people who would never tradiweren't happy with corbyn, who weren't happy with corbyn, that idea. and then there was the wall, as you. so that's the red wall, as you. so that's what this is about really, you know. the conservatives know. but the conservatives are a a behind 20 a hell of a lot behind 20 points. i think behind about that. and yeah, think keir that. and yeah, i think keir starmer looking that and starmer looking at that and thinking how do we keep it together going together is why he's not going for radical policies. it's what can i say that sort of builds into sense that i'm the into the sense that i'm the prime waiting and prime minister in waiting and i've things to do when get i've got things to do when i get there. what what is what is he talking with talking about with the judiciary? mean judiciary? what does he mean reform the system? reform the justice system? i think a number of mean think there's a number of i mean i can't read into his mind, but i can't read into his mind, but i think looking at it from a labour perspective and you're going crime, going to want to tackle crime, you going want to appear you going to want to appear hard on crime, but also looking at all of the problems we've seen, for the metropolitan for example, in the metropolitan police, forces. police, all the police forces. and so you'll looking and saying, i'm to get saying, well, i'm to get conviction going conviction rates up, i'm going to crime tackled. but i'm to get crime tackled. but i'm also make police an

also to make the police an institution we trust and institution we can trust and potentially you start look at potentially you start to look at things like sentencing, which is very sell the left, but very hard to sell the left, but is a great thing to come in and promise to moderate voters and conservative voters who think, you know , let's let's get some you know, let's let's get some people locked away a long period of time. we'll actually help deaung of time. we'll actually help dealing persistent dealing with persistent criminals and serious criminals. i mean, is a major concern i mean, that is a major concern of people, isn't you know, of people, isn't it? you know, at the moment know when someone breaks into house, people breaks into your house, people often contacting often don't bother contacting the because they don't the police because they don't think it's going to be anything is going to be done about it. yeah, there was some stats in the times that showed the the times today that showed the conviction for almost conviction rates for almost every have fallen into low every crime have fallen into low single figures. and there's single figures. and if there's a huge basically huge sense that basically what the exist for now is you the police exist for now is you call them you've got call them up, you've got a number that you can report to insurance paid insurance company, you get paid out. where the story out. and that's where the story ends i out. and that's where the story ends. i think it's a big ends. so i think it's a big thing if labour can get thing that if labour can get plan together really plan together that really engages concerns engages people's concerns on that. a huge electoral that. there's a huge electoral dividend . can trusted dividend. can he be trusted though? i like during a as though? i mean, like during a as director of public prosecutions,

i mean, might some terrible i mean, he might some terrible mistakes, i one mistakes, i think. i mean one thing under his thing it was really under his tenure that this idea that complainants to be referred to as victims completely as victims was completely bypasses of due bypasses the notion of due process. you he was the process. you know he was the effect really helped to politicise the cps to at the politicise the cps to be at the disaster of operation midland. i mean you can't wash his hands of that, can he. no, i think there are serious questions about stuff that happened. but, you know, chance to try know, now is his chance to try and out his stall. you know, and set out his stall. you know, he's facing government he's facing a government that made mistakes over made all sorts of mistakes over the or 15 years. and no the last ten or 15 years. and no politician is perfect, but they're to have to and they're going to have to us and say, are ideas . this is say, these are my ideas. this is how i'm going to them. how i'm going to achieve them. i think five missions is a starting point of the starting point of that. the question is , what comes after? question is, what comes after? because in when you when i look at what politicians say, i the first test you always apply is could anyone disagree with that and you look at the five things he said and there's very little anyone could disagree with . and anyone could disagree with. and you get the meat , you need to get into the meat, the things that some people are going have an issue with and going to have an issue with and to what he's going to

to really see what he's going to deliver he's going to deliver and how he's going to push through. i push these things through. so i suppose it when suppose we'll see it when manifesto turns up. how he specifically going to do this? i think i we will see with think i think we will see with the manifesto turns but the manifesto turns up. but i also think this is a signal. you know, starmer has spent know, keir starmer has spent the last of sorting out last couple of years sorting out his house. he's been dealing his own house. he's been dealing with problems he with the problems that he inherited labour party. he's inherited in labour party. he's going looking and thinking inherited in labour party. he's goielection looking and thinking inherited in labour party. he's goielection canking and thinking inherited in labour party. he's goielection can come nd thinking inherited in labour party. he's goielection can come anyhinking inherited in labour party. he's goielection can come any time1g an election can come any time between early 2025, between now and early 2025, i think is the very last date. so he's to be sort of he's going to be sort of starting to set the rhythm . he's starting to set the rhythm. he's going to be setting out these ideas, so that ideas, building on them so that when manifesto drops, it's when the manifesto drops, it's not a complete but he's not a complete shock. but he's laid groundwork that people laid the groundwork that people see as prime minister in see him as a prime minister in waiting. does rishi really waiting. so does rishi really have in hell? i mean, you have a hope in hell? i mean, you know, of say that know, a lot of voters say that one the problems is that they one of the problems is that they don't really any difference don't really see any difference between. know, the between. you know, the managerial, technocratic style of rishi sunak, of keir starmer or rishi sunak, there's the thing there's basically the same thing i there's basically the same thing | , there's basically the same thing i , there's lot i think, you know, there's a lot of coalescence , the middle of of coalescence, the middle of that. but rishi sunak , you know, that. but rishi sunak, you know, he's got time, he's power at he's got time, he's got power at the but the big problem he has is, you know, conservative party

are disarray internally it's are in disarray internally it's hard him get through if hard for him to get through if he controversial stuff he wants controversial stuff through his backbenchers through where his backbenchers are to say no he's going are going to say no he's going to have on labour votes, to have to rely on labour votes, which only plays keir which only plays into keir starmer strengths and it's going to very difficult . to be very, very difficult. rishi is a path rishi sunak there is a path there, it's a very, very there, but it's a very, very narrow one. a lot of people are concerned, though, of the influence of critical justice ideology within the labour . you ideology within the labour. you know, keir starmer has struggled to observe that women don't have penises. he that difficult and i think lot of people are worried about that is he deliberately playing down all of those sort of issues particularly now that we've seen what that kind of culture war discourse does to a politician in the form of nicola sturgeon i. i think almost certainly and it's a problem sturgeon i. i think almost certekeir and it's a problem sturgeon i. i think almost certekeir starmerit's a problem sturgeon i. i think almost certekeir starmer faces problem sturgeon i. i think almost certekeir starmer faces that's,n that keir starmer faces that's, you know, the exact opposite. the sunak the problems the rishi sunak has the problems with right of his party keir with the right of his party keir starmer is always going to have the of left of his the problems of the left of his party and you have to sell this stuff internally and you also have to show the wider world that to these

that you're in hock to these views that many people see as extreme and concerning. so i think what are going to be seeing is him , you know, trying seeing is him, you know, trying to downplay elements , also to downplay those elements, also making the pitch that if he comes power with , you know, comes into power with, you know, a majority of 80, he's less beholden to a small number of mps in the same way that you've got a big conservative majority , they can face down rebellions . so that's also part of his pitch . you back big numbers pitch. you back mean big numbers and. i don't have to worry as much about the nuttier side of my party. we can just we can just ignore them. very interesting point john oxley thanks so much joining me. thanks so much forjoining me. thank time to go for thank so it's time to go for break. please do not go . break. so please do not go. there's a more to come there's a lot more to come between and 9:00. there's between now and 9:00. there's the from united states the latest from united states where the ohio train crash has become a major political issue. we'll the latest we'll discuss the latest developments . roald dahl's developments. roald dahl's classic novels. and classic children's novels. and i'm going to show michael i'm going to show you michael gove, a nightclub. gove, dancing in a nightclub. what more could want? see what more could you want? see you a few minutes .

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free speech nation. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . so let's get some more nation. so let's get some more questions from our lovely studio audience. we've got a question from peter. hello, peter. andrew. andrew you think andrew. andrew why do you think the horrendous rail crash in ohio has become politicised . ohio has become politicised. yeah, i mean, this story is horrible and fascinating . so horrible and fascinating. so early this month, a train carrying toxic chemicals derailed . this was in east derailed. this was in east palestine. small town in ohio. doctors are now saying the people are suffering from all sorts of health problems related to the incident. we've had some commentators. tucker carlson, for instance , claimed that the for instance, claimed that the residents of east palestine have been neglected because it's an overwhelmingly white area, it's politically area . politically conservative area. it seems though paul kind of it seems as though paul kind of become a sort of area for the culture wars. i mean , we should culture wars. i mean, we should be talking about the thousands and thousands of animals that have died, the toxins, chemical people don't know people are they don't know whether safe to whether the water is safe to drink. not being told. drink. they're not being told. yeah everything's culture

yeah everything's the culture war isn't it? yes. nearly war now, isn't it? yes. nearly everything. the problem with this story from this story right from the beginning they wanted beginning is they never wanted to it on social to talk about it on social media. was local for media. there was a local for a local news station that was essentially arrested for talking about at the school where about it at the school where they were doing the press conferences with the and that immediately greater immediately got much greater attention than attention than anything and no one seems anything else. and no one seems to be openly talking what the dangers are. so this of stories you're talking about, where, you know, and grown ups are know, children and grown ups are suffering with , breathing suffering with, breathing animals are dropping dead, the fish are floating in the water. those sort stories are coming those sort of stories are coming out as side story and had erin out as a side story and had erin brockovich, who, of course, is the famous environmental campaigner, there at the campaigner, she's there at the moment. she's been holding meetings, the local people talking serious this . talking about how serious this. but i was speaking to a producer from from here actually. he was in recently. and says in america recently. and he says it's that it hasn't it's not true that it hasn't been people not been covered. people not covering that media covering it, but that the media was to cover this. why was slow to cover this. why would be the case. well, would that be the case. well, i think because what happens in the states is it's very the united states is it's very

much what happens online much like what happens online chues much like what happens online cliques engagement . cliques lead to engagement. engagement leads to advertising and advertising leads to revenue. so this may be the case. people at it and go, unfortunately, how many people care about an environment or catastrophe that happens a village in ohio when we can we can be talking about the latest that donald trump has done, but he's not even back on twitter. the latest thing that he said, and that will create more engagement, more advertising, more a donald trump more revenue. a donald trump himself has gone to his palestine to talk people, palestine to talk to people, so it clearly a hotbed it has become clearly a hotbed for, know , political for, you know, political agitation. the photograph there, judy as well there. so judy vance as well there. so this is you know, it's there is a narrative developing that actually because it is a politically conservative area that people haven't really as much. what do you make of that idea? well to be honest, i don't know that. may be true or it may not be but i what we not be true, but i what we really need to be talking about is the effect that these toxic chemicals are having on the environment they're having on the they're on the wildlife they're having on the wildlife they're having on

the an absolute the fauna. it is an absolute catastrophe. i mean, i'll be honest been a surprised honest i've been a bit surprised that this been more that this hasn't been more widely covered here in uk widely covered here in the uk because was horrendous. the because this was horrendous. the train itself, the train crash in of itself, the huge fact that huge explosion, the fact that these train carrying all these this train carrying all sorts of chemical, dangerous chemicals toxins. aren't chemicals and toxins. why aren't we about . no. chemicals and toxins. why aren't we about. no. and we talking more about. no. and that's what's so about this whole story. it's a huge story. you know , everything francis you know, everything francis said is right. is massive said is right. this is massive andifs said is right. this is massive and it's causing it's a disaster . yeah. i think it's been overshadowed by the fact that biden went to the ukraine and it's the year anniversary. i'm not convinced by the not totally convinced by the fact a white christian fact it's a white christian community. community. i mean, i think an easy thing to think that's an easy thing to say of culture war. you say as part of culture war. you know, i'm sure it's true that that's what the case there, but i don't know if that's the reason why we're seeing this. but it's i don't know and why you why this stuff being you know, why this stuff being carried railways. i don't carried on the railways. i don't know else it would be be know where else it would be be carried. you know, there's loads of well, they're of questions. well, they're wrong. the wrong. but also, you know, the fact these kinds of fact that these kinds of disasters have disasters can have major political but political ramifications. but of course, katrina, for instance,

what happened there, you know, it effect. it can have a knock on effect. yeah, anyway, i'm yeah, absolutely. anyway, i'm going to move on to another question from james. question now. this from james. where's is police where's and james is police scotland . right. to pull out of scotland. right. to pull out of a device diversity scheme run by stonewall. and actually this is very interesting james because obviously there have been a number of bodies that have pulled out of the stonewall equality and diversity scheme over past couple of years. the bbc, the house of commons, the house of lords, the equality and human rights commission . ofcom. human rights commission. ofcom. various people have been withdrawing gradually over the last year. natalie scotland. thatis last year. natalie scotland. that is significant because police because scotland of course and the in particular course and the snp in particular is very much captured by stonewall. the snp itself has close ties with stonewall. so this may be a major significant decision. well, i think when it comes to a particular there's always a case where it does illustrate how and i'm going to use a technical term here, mental things are and i agree

them case where a person breust yeahi them case where a person breust yeah i love bryce's sorry i've just landed on a great put on a graham just missed surname yeah exactly i love bryson line just showed how insane this all is we probably what the price and okay so i know bryson is a time male rapist who committed these heinous crimes got sent hints for ripe for being a two time rapist and then identified as a woman, changed his name and then was placed in a female prison. he was reminded that while nicola sturgeon and said they were waiting on a decision of what to do, but had already been. he was identified as women . well, this is to women's prisons. there's seven of prisons. yeah, there's seven of them. means something them. and it means something like people wake up like this before people wake up and this is insane . and of and go, this is insane. and of course, you know, in his case, it was very clear. i mean, he's a scary looking guy with a neck tattoo, for goodness sake. absolutely you know, wore absolutely you know, he wore leggings off his

leggings which showed off his shapely a lovely shapely clitoris. what a lovely phrase course, a lot of phrase. but of course, a lot of this poll has from this poll has come from stonewall, it? i mean, stonewall, hasn't it? i mean, stonewall, hasn't it? i mean, stonewall are really pushing the idea of gender identity, ideology, something ideology, which is not something that people, that the majority of people, they share, that this kind of religious it religious faith, isn't it? it is. it and when the snp give is. it is. and when the snp give up on it, you know that, it's rubbish. yeah. yeah. mean they rubbish. yeah. yeah. i mean they are, they, whether they the are, they, whether they were the last to it but i mean last people to it but i mean essentially you pay stonewall turn off grant to come turn off grant for them to come in tell you that white are in and tell you that white are bad. would do that for bad. francis i would do that for probably yeah, but it probably 8000 quid. yeah, but it was an old system, was like such an old system, isn't it? because effectively if they pay stonewall or stonewall tells of tells them, gives them lots of advice. you follow our advice. now if you follow our advice, you've got power rankings reward rankings and they reward them with high on their equality with a high on their equality scheme. it like a bit of scheme. right. it like a bit of a racket. it is i massive racket and it is i want full way this stonewall coining in stonewall to coining it in because you don't follow because if you don't follow advice obviously advice then obviously you're a homophobe a transphobic homophobe, a transphobic bigot who should be probably saw merrily executed. well this is the point is that stonewall used to they basically dying out on their old reputation because i

did very good work early in did some very good work early in day supporting gay day you know supporting gay rights don't know, rights. yeah. now, i don't know, a gay person who thinks a single gay person who thinks they support them in any way. yeah, exactly. so what always happens set yeah, exactly. so what always hajbecause set yeah, exactly. so what always hajbecause there set yeah, exactly. so what always hajbecause there is set yeah, exactly. so what always hajbecause there is a set yeah, exactly. so what always hajbecause there is a real set yeah, exactly. so what always hajbecause there is a real issue up because there is a real issue that needs to be dealt with. the issue is then solved and then the body goes, aren't we kind of like the money? what do? like the money? what do we do? let's go the next thing. let's go into the next thing. and result of they've and as result of that, they've been resembles to the been no resembles to the original organisation . yeah, original organisation. yeah, exactly. we've got exactly. okay. well, we've got another question. this one's from . where is victor? from victor. where is victor? hi, victor. good evening, guys . hi, victor. good evening, guys. is to suspend pupils is it right to suspend pupils for damaging a copy of the koran this is a fascinating story. so this is a fascinating story. so this is a fascinating story. so this is in a west yorkshire. it's a secondary school . these it's a secondary school. these pupils school kids brought in a copy of the koran, i think, as a dare , they said. and then there dare, they said. and then there were reports that it had been burned or ripped apart. none of those true the way. so what those were true the way. so what actually happened was there was actually happened was there was a tear the cover and a slight tear to the cover and a bit of smudging on one of the papers. but the pupils and the school itself has made clear that there was no malice from

the that the case the pupils that not the case here. know that. and then here. so we know that. and then there were suspended school there were suspended the school was liaising the was even being liaising with the police. it's a it's a police. yes, it's a it's a damaged book. well, it a damaged book, unfortunately if he damage that, that can consequent , he that, that can be consequent, he says. yeah, no, i mean, you know, i am aware of the i made a joke and none of them laugh. yeah. so you say still no laugh. i'm i'm fully aware of the sensitivities this and by the way i think deliberately damaging a holy book that means a lot to someone is an unpleasant thing to do as it happens. but think that happens. but i also think that if you if you damage book and if you if you damage a book and you believe , that that you don't believe, that that book has any spiritual significance, that shouldn't significance, that it shouldn't be able offence. so be a suspend able offence. so no, agree with you. no, i quite agree with you. however trying to think of however i'm trying to think of a way because it's pre watershed . way because it's pre watershed. the bricking it so the school were bricking it so we. you're allowed to say that. yes. yeah yeah. and as a result of that, they really panicked because if you look at what has happened with teachers showing cartoons important grammar cartoons as important grammar school. yeah. so they know what could happen to them potentially

, which is they're coming , which is why they're coming down really the pupils down really hard on the pupils and then but also no kicking the pupils under the bus and they're thinking by doing this that is their best of not having a load . people turn frightening. . people turn up frightening. well this is terrible, isn't it? because talking about fear because we're talking about fear and in a batley and intimidation in a batley grammar teacher showed grammar school a teacher showed some images of the prophet mohammed in a lesson about free speech and that kind of thing. it was a fairly legitimate thing to and then he threats, to do. and then he got threats, had to into hiding. i believe had to go into hiding. i believe still still hiding. but still still in hiding. but surely a society have to surely we as a society have to say, no, you don't get to do this. you don't get to people because they don't share your belief horse belief system. the horse has bolted. should done that bolted. we should have done that at time. we should share at that time. we should share that we that with salman rushdie. we should. yeah, we should have stood many times stood firm. there are many times we should just have, not just against koran and, islam, against the koran and, islam, against the koran and, islam, against that, against anything like that, where no, no, no. where we say, no, no, no, no. this what about as this is not what about as a society? and you're not going to bully in way. that's exactly bully us in way. that's exactly why this school is reacting this way. it's easier have way. it's much easier to have this type attention where this type of attention where got guys up having this

guys like us up here having this discussion it is to have, discussion than it is to have, you know, 60 fellas stood you know, 60 muslim fellas stood outside school chanting, outside the school chanting, what happened with that film, the heaven well? that the lady of heaven as well? that was a particular one where cinemas pulled film. yeah, because outside . it's because they gangs outside. it's intimidating, screaming all the rest of it. but this was actually film made by muslims. it was just the wrong kind of muslims. exactly. so the reality is , when it comes to this is, when it comes to this particular issue, people are very and they're very very scared and they're very scared for reason. and they scared for good reason. and they will at, for instance, what will look at, for instance, what happened to salman rushdie recently, they tried recently, where they they tried to kill him. they will look at the murder sid david amess the murder of sid david amess and were very, very and they were very, very worried. they have every right to be they have dealt to be and they have dealt with this way that they think this in a way that they think shocks down any criticism the shocks down any criticism of the way handled it, but also way they've handled it, but also protected yeah, protected the in question. yeah, i understand the difficulty i do understand the difficulty and you know the concerns are legitimate. yeah the right to be nervous but like come back to this point that i think societally be a bit more societally we to be a bit more strong on this issue. absolutely. so you first, andrew, everybody and andrew, and everybody helps and we we've got

we are okay. we've got a question from lesley. is question from lesley. where is lesley? hi, leslie. why should we follow florida's example and ban gender studies and diversity at universities? so this is interesting. this bill has been introduced in florida. this would basically give ron desantis power over state schools . it would allow him to schools. it would allow him to ban it. but i should say it hasn't been implemented yet. but this if it does go through, it would allow him to ban gender studies courses, critical race theory courses and initiatives relating to diversity and inclusion. so the thing about this, paul, this is kind of similar to what's happened in hungary. obama, hungary. you know, with obama, there's been a couple bans there's been a couple of bans on these things. mean, i do these things. i mean, i do believe academic freedom? believe in academic freedom? i think taught think people should be taught about i think my about these things. i think my issue when you teach these issue is when you teach these contested theories as though they were and that's what's they were fact and that's what's happening, yeah. happening, i think. yeah. and i'd on program called i'd never on a program called free and say we free speech nation and say we should of should ban anything of this nature would ludicrous nature it would be ludicrous they should teaching it just they should be teaching it just shouldn't mandatory. this is shouldn't be mandatory. this is a vote winner dissenters. a vote winner for dissenters. i always say yeah me always say yeah for me is anyway. he's saying right

anyway. he's saying the right things people florida but things to the people florida but he's got a point there hasn't that in schools if you've got a teacher sort telling that if teacher sort of telling that if they are white they are complicit in white supremacy, whether like it not, that's whether they like it not, that's not because that's said not good because that's said that's a religious belief effectively. . they effectively. well, exactly. they shouldn't this this is not shouldn't look, this this is not the sort of things that should be being taught to children. i mean, what it? why are we mean, what is it? why are we trying do to we trying to do to kids if we haven't got of a georgia artist dancing of but, dancing in front of him? but, you know, we're telling that bad because the colour of their skin i whole debate is i mean this whole debate is going to control i mean we going to have control i mean we saw other were the saw the other day there were the protests about the drag queen. drag and all of drag queen story hour and all of the complaints i saw on twitter were saying, oh look, it's the far not the right far right. it's not the right people about people who are worried about safeguarding mean, safeguarding with kids. i mean, this a completely nonsense this is a completely nonsense debate nonsense debate that it is a nonsense debate. worries that we debate. and my worries that we go too far over the way. i don't think conservative speakers, i don't think people who have heterodox views of the world should from speaking should be banned from speaking at will be platform at universities will be platform which is what we've seen but also i don't think people on the

other of the political other side of the political spectrum a problem when. spectrum this is a problem when. you a fight and what is you get into a fight and what is people want equality. they people don't want equality. they want to win . and when you want want to win. and when you want to win, you then justify the weapons that are being used against you, against your enemy . it does feel like the allure of censorship as a way to solve your problems or to shut your opponent up. that's not specific to the right or left. no, i mean that just everyone's that instinct. know, instinct. yeah. you know, everybody an innocent. everybody has an innocent. because before, because like i said before, everybody okay, everybody to win. okay, i'm going move. now, this is going to move. now, this is a final in this section final question in this section from katherine. where is? katherine, here. hi sure. katherine, right here. hi sure. to harry and, meghan, harry and meghan have sued the makers of south park. okay. because the park guys did an episode that mocked harry and meghan is very funny and you know they were appearing on a tv show holding up a sign saying want our privacy and stop looking us. yeah. you know, i think harry's book the he was publicising book the book he was publicising was why and so i think it

was called why and so i think it was called why and so i think it was all very funny. however, then this story out that harry and meghan are considering legal action, but it turns out they really weren't. i mean, it would be mad because they're being mocked. that's allowed like comedian can mock celebrities. that's the problem that's okay, right. the problem next week it won't be i mean if they have libelled them they might have had that might have had a case that wasn't that going on no wasn't that wasn't going on no to honest our attention to be honest our attention on sorry in any legal sorry i can imagine in any legal office in the us that would have been entertained a not for a second not for a second. so i think it's a bit of a non—story although i do think if they'd sued south park, it would have been hilarious. it would have been hilarious. it would have been really it would have been really funny. but but i mean, harry and meghan is known to be quite litigious, but litigious. litigious gets people who they believe you believe are libelling them, you know, that are know, saying things that are factually untrue in order to do defame that's the same as defame them. that's the same as someone on a comedy someone mocking you on a comedy show. not show. you it's just not even comparable. it was like comparable. south it was like a documentary south park. i mean, walter, what does anybody with that? yeah, i mean it that? paul said, yeah, i mean it was it was absolutely fantastic

disagree. disagree. disagree. meghan does disagree. yeah she was on bit. she was yeah she was on the bit. she was on the phone on. so she on the phone to be on. so she didn't she didn't. but, you know in episodes they in about two episodes they managed managed to just managed to they managed to just unravel the whole of this meghan and harry and just leave it on the . and gladly the floor. and we're all gladly walking yeah i mean, it's walking away. yeah i mean, it's really but do think. really funny, but i do think. frances right. this is non frances is right. this is a non story. i don't think they were ever considered. no no. so i'm glad we've devoted all this time ever considered. no no. so i'm gl.anyway, devoted all this time ever considered. no no. so i'm gl.anyway, afterted all this time ever considered. no no. so i'm gl.anyway, after the all this time ever considered. no no. so i'm gl.anyway, after the breaks time ever considered. no no. so i'm gl.anyway, after the break on me to anyway, after the break on free speech we'll free speech nation. we'll discuss decision republish discuss decision to republish the versions of some of the original versions of some of roald dahl's classic alongside the censored copies . see you roald dahl's classic alongside the censored copies. see you in a minute .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . me andrew doyle. i'm nation. me andrew doyle. i'm going to talk now about a story we covered a bit on last week's. this was the controversial decision to rewrite sections of

some of roald dahl's children's books words, such as fat and ugly, were removed the novels in an attempt to make them more suitable for modern audiences. the decision was condemned by a number people, including salman rushdie and at a literary event on thursday night, even the queen consort appeared to criticise the move. however the book's publishers puffin uk , book's publishers puffin uk, have since said they're going to republish original versions of dahps republish original versions of dahl's books alongside the edhed dahl's books alongside the edited copies. so to discuss this latest development , we're this latest development, we're joined now by the journalist and writer whelan so writer ella whelan whelan so ever a lot of people will have seen some of the that were done to roald dahl's books and just look at them and think these are really are not very good. what kind of arrogance. does it take to think that you can you can better one of the best children's all time the children's authors all time the any of arrogance any kind of arrogance that exists publishing world exists in the publishing world i mean people forget how intensely elitist small minded so much of the publishing industry and how sort of literary. yes so many of

them are a lot of these changes felt like someone did a kind of control a find. yes. some in the books. control a find. yes. some in the books . so for example, you know, books. so for example, you know, the word black was deemed to be too offensive and. so they you know, the description of the bfg is cloak as black was removed. so, you know, things that that's just insane. it just doesn't make any sense and is incredibly cack handed, but also some i was kind of reading there was this great oscar response by a woman who's a sort of body positive campaigner, who's fat bold campaigner, who's fat and bold by own description. and she pointed out , by own description. and she pointed out, you by own description. and she pointed out , you know, by own description. and she pointed out, you know, changing word fat to a normal. so it's much was yes, it is. word fat to a normal. so it's much was yes, it is . you know, much was yes, it is. you know, no one wants to be called and also even their own standards they're messing this . yeah. and they're messing this. yeah. and but you know, i think. what's that was interesting but what's almost been more interesting has been the fallout from it and the response to it and actually it makes you sort of value and respect the publishing industry

even less that they have sort of caved in a way, even though i don't want to censor roald dahl, the fact that it's you know, it it took the queen consort and salman . okay. some very salman. okay. some very important figures in a way but they can't even they don't even have the courage of their own convictions for what believe is right. so if they really thought it was the case that children reading , the twits being reading, the twits being described as ugly. yes was so corrosive to children's state of mind that they have to remove it, then having a bit of a backlash shouldn't that over the week and yet they have now said they're going to publish it very sorry well some people have sorry like well some people have that a commercial that it was just a commercial decision it is they don't decision that it is they don't want activists to along and cause like with the dr. cause problems like with the dr. seuss case you know even seuss case where you know even the we're no longer the estates we're no longer going sell books and going to sell these books and that didn't want to that they didn't want that to happen a know, happen to such a you know, a cash like roald dahl. yeah, cash cow like roald dahl. yeah, i think think that's a very i think i think that's a very important point how important point about how undemocratic publishing undemocratic the publishing

world again because this world is again because this something that had come out an outcry from readers wasn't something that came from the dahl from the day it was puffin books working with the group called inclusive voices or something like that, which is, you know, you these sort of these kind of grifters that come in to institute and say that they're going to sell them the peace of mind of being caught out on twitter or whatever, for having an inclusive language in their books , in their their books, in their institutions. and we see i mean you were just talking about stonewall. it's the kind like a literary version of stonewall in that functions to of that it functions to kind of go through black line out all through and black line out all the things that could be misconstrued or could be deemed be offensive. well, i mean, i saw article in guardian. saw an article in the guardian. inevitably, defending inevitably, they were defending the they were the censorship, but they were sort know, sort of saying that, you know, well, these with well, children these days with beyond saying like fat beyond saying things like fat and, ugly and in other words, our world worldview the one our world worldview is the one that should the only world. that should be the only world. i mean, the problem mean, isn't this the problem with of sensitivity with the idea of sensitivity readers. that it's the imposition of one particular

perception onto perception of the world onto everyone else. they also have never been in a playground recently. i are incredibly recently. i kids are incredibly dark and mean nasty and you know that's you would you would hope that's you would you would hope that they grow out of it eventually. yes actually the reason why roald dahl still so imports and so influential to many young readers and why they like the kind of, you know, even things like harry potter is and exactly comparable roald dahl. but some of the darker elements that kids like it because things that kids like it because things that are all sugar and spice or things i just bore them. yes. and actually having, you know, evil aunts , you know, giant evil aunts, you know, giant peaches and all that, all the stuff that the crazy that dahl cooked up , a stuff that the crazy that dahl cooked up, a way of sort of inviting a genuine safe space you're reading at home. yes. you imagine ocean to run wild and to indulge in those kind of darker elements. and it's just it's a complete misunderstanding of the way that kids develop in terms of their the kind of journey of reading, in terms of their own

way , of seeing the world to way, of seeing the world to thing that we need to protect them from these sort of , you them from these sort of, you know, the difficult things in life. yes. and also the sort of the funny things in life in that it isn't, you know, i don't know if you've ever they've ever spent with kids, you know, they're incredibly unfiltered they're incredibly unfiltered they fat people and they do laugh at fat people and they do laugh at fat people and they you know, do all they do you know, they do all these they do is these things. they do is you know, you teach them that it's maybe not right. but i mean, that's kids yeah, that's what kids do. yeah, absolutely. is there a problem, though? me, though? there's a kind of to me, i a fundamental i think there's a fundamental problem in terms of problem here in terms of publishing, the publishers publishing, isn't the publishers job of job really to be sort of custodians of art form and custodians of the art form and to the artistry of the to consider the artistry of the people to preserve it? in other words, not to use it as an opportunity social opportunity for social engineering? it's the engineering? well, it's the important about important point is about artistic . and in terms artistic freedom. and in terms of, artists integrity of, you know, artists integrity actually is something that's just come out in the last 24 hours has been a recording between roald dahl and francis bacon and, an interview they did to dahl's home, where they were pondenng to dahl's home, where they were pondering on this question of what will happen to our work

after we. and dahl said, i'll set my enormous crocodile on publisher that does ever touch even a comma in one of my pieces of work. but we are. well, perhaps could he sort of could foresee what was going to happen in future ? there is you in the future? there is you know, there is sort of a real know, there is a sort of a real sense injustice that if you an artist, whether you are writing artist, whether you are writing a book, writing song, writing a book, writing a song, writing a book, writing a song, writing a a paint, you know a play, doing a paint, you know , creating any kind of piece of art, there is a real intent going that role. so i wasn't just of , you know, writing just kind of, you know, writing off anything and it this was something that he worked on. each chosen. something that he worked on. each chosen . and, you each word was chosen. and, you know, as readers and reading know, us as readers and reading to our kids , you know, we are to our kids, you know, we are able to , you know, talk about able to, you know, talk about complex things like, for example, dahl himself, not the nicest man in the world. you know had some fairly high reviews jewish people. for reviews on jewish people. for example, know , are lots of example, you know, are lots of you know when you when kids get older and they come across different paintings different you know, theories from philosophers, can philosophers, you can you can get to understand that you get them to understand that you know 1973 was different in 9093

was different to 2023. yes we don't have to rewrite the whole of history to conform to our modern sensibility. so it assumes we've got it all right. and we are correct. we are the first generation ever to be morally pure, which you absolutely cannot be the case no, it can't be the case. and also there is sort of in terms of what this means for rearing kids, a real problem kids, there is a real problem i think, with trying to, you know, do what puffin books trying do what puffin books was trying to, which was protect readers and i was on and had to. i remember i was on last your show we were last time on your show we were talking about fairytale of new york and how it was being censored to younger censored to protect younger listeners who are more sensitive. this sensitive. yes, there's this real sense in which we think the best raise the next best way to raise the next generation is protect generation to just is to protect them everything and them from everything real and everything negative , and so that everything negative, and so that their experience should be their life experience should be just after just the happiness after happiness, after happiness and that's the way to create psycho much as you can. that isn't . and much as you can. that isn't. and it also means that the minute you come into any form adversity, you're either going to kill or crumble. so it's very

well . but also to kill or crumble. so it's very well. but also just in terms of the practise of sensitivity reading, i know this sort of originated within young people's fiction and children's work, but actually it's crept out. you know, we've had kate clanchy , know, we've had kate clanchy, she had sensitivity reader say she had a sensitivity reader say that she couldn't describe the landscape i described landscape i think she described as a of deformity in the as a kind of deformity in the landscape. it's poetic idea , a landscape. it's a poetic idea, a metaphor. think, well , metaphor. and they think, well, ableist, that's how ableist, i mean, that's how simplistic these aren't artists , is what i'm saying. no, no. and it also can be extremely ridiculous mean. i remember actually the film adaptation of the witches within came out in 2020, which didn't conform to dahl's, dahl said , that the dahl's, dahl said, that the witches should have claw like fingers and in the film they decided to have anne hathaway have three fingers. yes. as a she was this evil character. she had to then apologise because the i can't remember the name of it different lynn society or something came out and said that this was a terrible thing because know limb deformity was not something to be associated with evil and you know, it's

just it's just treeless. i remember the peter rabbit film which the film explicitly for children was attacked by the allergy society because that was allergy society because that was a scene in that in which peter rabbit a scene in that in which peter rabeis a scene in that in which peter rabbit is pelted with blueberries or someone is pelted with blueberries. he's allergic to blueberries. terrible to blueberries. what a terrible thing know, it's it thing to do. you know, it's it makes you want to, you know, kill yourself because you just think what is about. you know, i use the word grifters before, but what is it about this sort of current moment in which all want to do is complain? yeah they see films depressing. they seem to be tracks to it and seem to be two tracks to it and that on the one hand they go after authors who have problematic and have said problematic and have said pro shouldn't read anymore. problematic and have said pro snow.dn't read anymore. problematic and have said pro snow it's: read anymore. problematic and have said prornow it's spreading anymore. problematic and have said pro snow it's spreading to nymore. problematic and have said prornow it's spreading to whatre. but now it's spreading to what characters? what fictional characters? what fictional characters . i mean, i have characters say. i mean, i have a friend who's a novelist who's had to leave his publisher because kept well, because i kept saying, well, your killer character your serial killer character says very problematic says some very problematic things, because he's things, but yet because he's a serial not nice. serial killer, he's not nice. why understand the why don't they understand the basics what i think why don't they understand the bémaybe what i think why don't they understand the bémaybe because what i think why don't they understand the bémaybe because we'vei think why don't they understand the bémaybe because we've given: why don't they understand the bémaybe because we've given up is maybe because we've given up on the of , at least

is maybe because we've given up on the of, at least in the on the idea of, at least in the publishing world, they've given up idea , resilient up on the idea, resilient readers or intellectually complex . and i mean that also complex. and i mean that also among young, young adult readers and children. yes. which is that there is an ability to you know, when you take book that is a fictional work , you know that fictional work, you know that your imagination is being engage know that this isn't the real world and. you hope actually that it isn't the real world. most the time pick up most of the time we pick up a book to try and enter a book to try and enter into a different realm. yes i think that publishers too much now want represent of want to represent the world of twitter world to sort twitter or the world to sort of content with political debate and. actually, they don't want to anymore. i think to be inventive anymore. i think that's because. that's a real shame because. there are lots writers out there are lots of writers out there are pushing at there who still are pushing at there who still are pushing at the should be the boundaries who should be given and the way. given the chance and the way. then thanks very for joining me . and after the break, i'm free nation. i'm going to be talking about the former chancellors who are pressure on rishi are putting pressure on rishi sunak. so in a moment.

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to 25. so i'm now joined by elliot keck, whose investigations campaign manager at the taxpayers alliance . so at the taxpayers alliance. so elliot , thanks for joining me. elliot, thanks for joining me. 19 to 25, that seems quite hike. well, great to be back . the well, great to be back. the show, andrew, i didn't know you were so fascinated by corporation tax but it is it is quite the hike the first hike in corporation tax in 5050 years. and the reason why it's so damaging is time and time again economic modelling, including ours. that was out morning ours. that was out this morning shows corporation tax is shows that corporation tax is one the harmful, if not one of the most harmful, if not most tax , economic most harmful tax, economic growth and investment . put a growth and investment. put a figure on this, haven't you? how much? think we might lose? yeah. so this increase in so just from this increase in corporation the corporation tax, we think the economy will be £30 billion smaller 2029 it would smaller by 2029 than it would have otherwise . investment have been otherwise. investment will be £12 billion down and average weekly will b e £7 a week average weekly will be £7 a week down to about £350. and how, if we haven't increased it, how watertight are those projections, do you think? i mean, so like all modelling is obviously open errors and changes, but what our modelling

does, unlike other models , does, unlike other models, assumes changes to assumes that tax changes to taxation changes people's behaviour . taxation changes people's behaviour. so many economic models look a cut to models just look a cut to taxation or an increase in taxation or an increase in taxation and seems that taxation and it seems that everything stays the same everything else stays the same the problem that when the problem with that is when you it changes you change taxation it changes people's if you people's behaviour. if you increase tax and it increase corporation tax and it means are less means that businesses are less to in country, it to invest in this country, it means to increase means less likely to increase the workers, they're less the pay of workers, they're less likely prices . so our likely to cut prices. so our model assumes that model basically assumes that there are substantial changes to people's behaviour as a result of in taxation. is there of changes in taxation. is there evidence, is there a history raising corporation tax leading to the kind of behavioural changes that you're describing? sure. so corporation tax sure. so rand corporation tax was steadily from 2010 to about 2016, 2017. we actually saw receipts . the taxation for the receipts. the taxation for the total amount of raised from that tax increase , despite the fact tax increase, despite the fact it was cut. now there are many factors that lead to changes in receipts, but certainly a decrease in corporation did decrease in corporation tax did not lead to a decrease in receipts. so if you have all of this evidence and if you have all of these projections, what is rishi sunak thinking? i mean,

what justification for what is his justification for this? you know, this? well, i think, you know, to extent you make a to some extent you make a pledge, it's difficult to back out for. when he in, out for. when he came in, he wanted to show fiscal responsibility, meant responsibility, which meant not spending you earned . spending more than you earned. and range of and there was a range of taxation was, know, taxation that was, you know, pledge increase decrease pledge to increase and decrease . we now have a bit . it turns out we now have a bit of a windfall. energy prices are going down. the government has money but rishi money than it thought. but rishi sunak stuck in a sort sunak is perhaps stuck in a sort of a dead end where. he feels like change his policy like he can't change his policy , has a real window to do , but he has a real window to do so. why is it is it is it so. so why is it is it is it partly a reaction, trust nomics possibly. but i mean, what we saw morning, really saw this morning, it was really interesting. three former interesting. we saw three former conservative chancellors come out this tax rise and out against this tax rise and all chancellors are from a very different tory party. different of the tory party. philip hammond george kwasi kwarteng not just the kwarteng this is not just the trust side. this is really across conservative party. they recognise business tax is a very, very bad economic growth recognise business tax is a veryisery bad economic growth recognise business tax is a veryis ity bad economic growth recognise business tax is a veryis it the d economic growth recognise business tax is a veryis it the caseynomic growth recognise business tax is a veryis it the case that ic growth and is it the case that businesses will just up sticks and leave you implement these kind i think kind of things? i think certainly case here, certainly the case here, astrazeneca one firm recently astrazeneca is one firm recently that have announced that about

£300 investment is going £300 million investment is going to of the to go to ireland instead of the united they pointed united kingdom. and they pointed to united kingdom's tax to the united kingdom's tax rates that. rates as a result of that. i think the key point here we think the key point here is we have a budget coming up and this is clearly not going be a tax cutting budget. we know cutting budget. we all know that. there's one thing that. but if there's one thing that. but if there's one thing that can avoid having that they can avoid is having a tax increase the budget, is tax increase in the budget, is it case rishi sunak it the case that rishi sunak change his mind now? i mean, we saw what happened with truss. you just the case you know, is it just the case that? as he's sort of that? as you say, he's sort of locked in now. he has to go it and see what happens. might and see what happens. or might he reflect, given all of the things that you've mentioned. i certainly reflect certainly hope it does reflect because know what we're because you know what we're talking not talking about here. we're not talking about here. we're not talking tax cut. talking about some wild tax cut. we're just talking about keeping corporation tax it and corporation tax as it is. and the become a less the uk has become a less attractive in years attractive place in recent years to the thing to invest. and the one thing that we going for us is we that we have going for us is we have relatively corporation have relatively low corporation tax to be ashamed that tax to be ashamed to throw that away. liz truss go away. so where did liz truss go wrong well liz truss went wrong then? well liz truss went wrong then? well liz truss went wrong in a range of ways, but it was clearly a very, very radical programme cuts across. programme of tax cuts across. the come with the board that didn't come with spending and we criticised

spending cuts and we criticised that time said that that at the time we said that you to have spending cuts you need to have spending cuts along cut. so i think she along a tax cut. so i think she probably too too fast. probably went too far, too fast. but problem with rishi sunak but the problem with rishi sunak is overreacting gets is he's he's overreacting gets that from a policy and it thanks so much forjoining me. okay. so after break going to after the break we're going to give on michael give our verdict on michael gove's moves. don't gove's dance moves. you don't want that. i'll be in a want to miss that. i'll be in a few minutes time .

on mark dolan tonight i my mark means guest is the chairman of the influential european research group of brexiteer mps mark francois . well he gave his mark francois. well he gave his backing to rishi sunak's breakthrough with brussels . the breakthrough with brussels. the pm's deal will hinge on his support and tonight he'll give his. it might take a turn forget about blofeld and goldfinger. his. it might take a turn forget james bond's greatest enemies are woke censors who have set about rewriting his books to make see these stories left me shaken and stirred . see you .

shaken and stirred. see you. at nine. welcome back to free speech nation. so every week we dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media. now first up, we've got this tweet from stone wall who have targeted a very niche market. so stone wall tweeted happy , a stone wall tweeted happy, a romantic spectrum awareness week . so arrow arrow is an term a romantic to use by people who don't typically experience , don't typically experience, desire to have romantic contact interaction with an individual . interaction with an individual. others may feel attraction occasionally at varying levels, different times now , francis , different times now, francis, before you say anything, i think it's really this stone will have basically celebrating marriage. you know, i'm i mean , i'm really you know, i'm i mean, i'm really sort of baffled by this because, you know what i with the whole

pride thing , we're talking about pride thing, we're talking about gay rights and everything people who have been historically oppressed in people who don't like moonlight and roses . they like moonlight and roses. they haven't been oppressed. no they just haven't been oppressed. no, no, they haven't. they if anything, they just things done. they do and they cheapen life to them. just spend all this money on, flowers and. yeah, exactly . on, flowers and. yeah, exactly. it's insulting things that they mean. the privileged saying things. i mean, in order to get some love, you know, it's an easy but something you do friends. i'm i'm a man of friends. no, i'm i'm a man of integrity you can say oh all integrity so you can say oh all it's it gets so boring it's just it gets so boring doesn't you know when people start talking about when you extend the lgbtqia plus whatever or whatever know does or whatever you know what does this acronym. this come under in that acronym. well plus because the well is it the plus because the plus anything else and there plus is anything else and there are million other things are about a million other things and weird me and they're just it's weird me that are so determined to that people are so determined to identify into identify themselves into an oppressed because oppressed class because victimhood carries points victimhood now carries points and privilege. it's so weird . it and privilege. it's so weird. it is weird. and what's weird to me is weird. and what's weird to me is think i met every a romance woman in harlem , hampshire when

woman in harlem, hampshire when i was growing up and strange is not i mean that's not a thing is it is not a thing it's not a thing. i mean that's what happens to people after two months of being in a relationship it yeah. well quiet. this is the thing. this is what's happened now with lgbtq. a plus is most of those people are just straight. basically straight, basically it's just straight, bonng basically it's just straight, boring straight people so boring straight people like. so why chill out. well, i'm just saying it boring , dull, saying it boring, dull, straight. you know, the straight flag is just great. it's just a black guy, you know , it's beige black guy, you know, it's beige is a beige. okay it's both. sorry i'm not hydrophobic. honestly, don't have an issue with anyway. next up is a video. this is michael gove strutting his stuff in an aberdeen nightclub in good taste. this is donna summer. nightclub in good taste. this is donna summer . yeah, yeah, that's donna summer. yeah, yeah, that's a malone .

a malone. okay there he is. dancing and the thing is, like, so there was another video of him dancing last year. this seems to be a thing that just happens every now, then maybe just likes dancing. but why is such a big deal? why does this go viral? i don't get no, i don't. it don't get it. no, i don't. it all wrong that. i mean, all wrong with that. i mean, there's lot wrong that. there's a lot wrong with that. i'll honest you. this is i'll honest with you. this is appalling i think he's appalling dancing. i think he's really trying to get really good. he's trying to get he he's pretty good? he think he's pretty good? i don't think a bad dancer. don't think he's a bad dancer. i'm this is a subjective i'm sorry. this is a subjective , you know, it's. no, it's not. we're not going to cancel territory . yes. but the point is territory. yes. but the point is that like but why do why does anyone care? why would that go viral? why does anyone care what he does, his free time? i just don't get it. no one. no. the reality is that no cares. it's just because i we're unused just because i we're so unused to seeing politician being to seeing a politician being vaguely human. is that when see a politician behaving in a way that everybody else should behave, having a few drinks and having a dance like, oh, can you

imagine rishi sunak thong? yeah. well, except that people are sort of it to sort sort of using it to sort critical him and actually critical mock him and actually surely it should be the opposite . oh he is just behaving . oh that he is just behaving like everyone else. yeah, but you you're supposed to you know, you're supposed to hate run you that. why. hate go run you that. why. well i mean to be fair, it did i and i mean to be fair, it did look like she was trying to get away. so i don't know if that's some of those moves. look, a little bit. well that's your yes. you know absolutely but we shouldn't that should we? we should. we should or should we embrace it. but after i dance, we go would you well, let's see if we can make that happen. i think make that happen think we should make that happen on the show. yes and finally, we've got this video, this we've got this final video, this a has come back and a mr. blobby has come back and you mr. of you remember mr. blobby, of course, the course, being the of the nineties hit show noel's nineties hit tv show noel's house party. he also had a number one hit. yeah, yeah, yeah. blobby. probably yeah. he was blobby. probably blobby basically blobby i think that's basically what was . yeah. and he made what it was. yeah. and he made a surprise appearance recently at a wrestling match . have a look a wrestling match. have a look at this one. and if listening on gb news radio , don't know what gb news radio, don't know what you're missing here. it'sjust

you're missing here. it's just mr. blobby sort of doing what mr. blobby sort of doing what mr. blobby sort of doing what mr. blobby does , which is mr. blobby does, which is collide with the various opponents in the wrestling ring. he's barely aged, isn't he? he's looking really good for his age, isn't he . the whole, the whole isn't he. the whole, the whole joke with mr. blobby was always that he just messed everything up, trashed everything, running , destroying things. it wasn't a particularly sophisticated. but no, it wasn't . oh, sorry. this no, it wasn't. oh, sorry. this is the least insane thing i've seen year that easily seen. same thing when . you think about thing when. you think about everything that is happening . everything that is happening. yes, that's true. this is the most normal i've ever seen. are you a fan of mr. blobby? well, i mean, no, no i was in 1994. were you actually ? well, i was 14, you actually? well, i was 14, i guess. the blobby was, you know, a role model . fair enough. did a role model. fair enough. did you buy the single? no, i didn't. i don't think it was one of the red. number one thing was that went to number one, went down and then went back up again. wow. yeah, that's impressive my knowledge of things don't at all. things that don't matter at all. anyway, part the

anyway, this is the part of the show where we're going to talk through unfiltered through your unfiltered dilemmas. every you dilemmas. you. every week you write got write in you. even you've got a lot people with a lot of lot of people with a lot of people at home who need our help. here's one dilemma which is coming from george. george in south said, my south end. and george said, my say terrible taste beer say i have terrible taste beer but i think there's nothing wrong with drinking fosters . wrong with drinking fosters. who's right? well, frances foster is here, so . yeah. so the foster is here, so. yeah. so the beer does bear my name. and it is terrible. is it terrible? it's dreadful . i'm not a beer it's dreadful. i'm not a beer person. i've really i haven't i don't think i would know. i be able to tell the difference between a fosters. estella, are they different? no. it's generally carbonate. it is . it's generally carbonate. it is. it's filled the highest level. what's the appeal of it? filled the highest level. what's the appeal of it ? what's the the appeal of it? what's the appeal of it? i don't know. what the appeal of is a cheap it's a training lager, isn't it. it's for it's for underage drinking in the park is to get you ready for the stella. no cider for the stella. no, no cider vodka. yeah so you have vodka. yeah so do you have a couple of cancers . so don't. couple of cancers. so i don't. oh that strongbow extra. oh that that strongbow extra. yeah. like 9. yeah. oh he she

sit on a poppy, she drink cider and you live you know in fast and you live you know in fast and you live you know in fast and you throw up in about an hour and a half after white lightning. exactly very. okay so one of the dilemmas now this is from from den den in loos den says , oh, it's lewis. sorry, says, oh, it's lewis. sorry, i've never heard of that place. my i've never heard of that place. my wife doesn't know that every . friday, when i get off the train from work, i stop off for a bag of chips. i've been doing it now . do you think it for years now. do you think i should tell her? think she knows? yeah the body shape will change, let me tell you. oh, i'm going two bags of chips and absolutely everyone knows, but why? why? why should you keep that seat ? it's not he's that seat? it's not like he's doing this a secret from his wife. it's leaving a good life. i mean, i say frances, the i mean, i would say frances, the key to a successful relationship, trust and openness , even if is that you are , even if it is that you are hiding yeah, exactly . i hiding chips. yeah, exactly. i think the reality is as well and we don't talk about this often enough and there's a lot of female partners and you body shame, you men do. do think shame, you men do. do you think they do? they do. they do.

they do? yes, they do. they do. you know, you should be going. oh, looking little bit oh, you're looking a little bit around the just graham. so what do they that? yes. that's do they do that? yes. that's outrageous. you men do outrageous. yes, you do. men do it women in these it to women in these relationships that's relationships because that's called okay. so it's just called abuse. okay. so it's just double standards, it. double standards, isn't it. anyway, so for anyway, listen, thank you so for joining free speech nation joining us on free speech nation this week. this was the week, of course, debates raged in the us over train crash and chemical leak in ohio. roald dahl publisher agreed to release uncensored versions his books uncensored versions of his books and the police in scotland severed ties with stonewall. so thank my wonderful panel. thank you to my wonderful panel. paul frances foster , and paul cox and frances foster, and to my guests, lieutenant stuart crawford, carnarvon's , john crawford, carnarvon's, john oxley, ella whelan , elliot keck, oxley, ella whelan, elliot keck, and by the way, if you want to join us live the studio and be part of our wonderful studio audience, you can do that. it's dead easy. look at that website. that's on the screen right there. w dot sro audiences there. w w w dot sro audiences .com go apply you can come along we've free drink free wine free full of uns whatever i don't have sausage rolls all sorts of

wonderful things in this. stay tuned for the brilliant mark dolan tonight. that is next. and please forget the headline please don't forget the headline is night 11:00 that is on every night at 11:00 that is on every night at 11:00 that is late night paper preview is the late night paper preview show where you through show where we take you through the next day's newspapers. but it's seat it's comedians in the hot seat telling about day's stories. telling about the day's stories. thanks free speech thanks for watching. free speech nafion thanks for watching. free speech nation you week . nation. see you next week. hello, i'm kate snow. here is your forecast from the met office. so as we head into a new working week, it's set to remain settled for all us. but it will still feel fairly chilly out there, especially in the east and the south. so as we finished the weekend and go into new work week, high is firmly in week, high pressure is firmly in charge the country, charge across the country, keeping largely dry keeping things largely dry a fair bit of cloud around across eastern and northern england. this evening. but elsewhere actually quite a lot of clear skies. so and the clear skies, it will turn pretty chilly. what threat frost could they even see? temperatures as low as about minus eight or minus ten across . scotland but where across parts. scotland but where we do see the clear skies as we

start monday morning, it be a frosty but bright start to the day . plenty of sunshine first day. plenty of sunshine first thing but the cloud across northern england, eastern scotland, but a strong case way into. of wales and the into. parts of wales and the midlands during the night. and as through the course of as we go through the course of monday a of england, monday quite a lot of england, northern ireland, rather cloudy with maybe the odd spots of rain come in and go in from the north, say best the sunshine north, say best of the sunshine up western scotland and up across western scotland and in sunshine not feeling bad. in the sunshine not feeling bad. seven eighteen here elsewhere seven or eighteen here elsewhere around where they should be, but factor fairly brisk wind. factor in a fairly brisk wind. it will certainly feel a bit colder than that tuesday, very colder than that tuesday, a very similar day. it's still got that brisk wind off the north sea, especially down towards east, in the southeast, in parts of england. the showers could turn wintry at times, which certainly not amounting to anything on. the surface really, and for most , again, temperatures around where they should be for the time of year and very little changes as we go into the middle part of the week. high remains firmly in charge across the country, certainly moves its way

a little bit further northwards as. we go towards thursday and friday, but we will see very little change in the weather, plenty weather had plenty of dry weather to be had the shower around from time the odd shower around from time to but also quite a lot of to time, but also quite a lot of cloud daytime temperatures around where they should be. but certainly remain pretty chilly if you're to that wind .

welcome to gloria maze . first up welcome to gloria maze. first up is former concert cabinet minister chloe smith. i think we need less of the psychodrama and more of more focusing on what people need us to do. we meet the mums whose children were murdered in the manchester arena bombing . the campaigning on the bombing. the campaigning on the right to register their

children's deaths . this is not children's deaths. this is not actually about the inquiry . children's deaths. this is not actually about the inquiry. this is about our children who have died. and we as parents feel very strongly about being able to do this. it's former labour cabinet minister charlie faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it , faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it, rosie. faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it , rosie. she faulkner. people shouldn't have shouted it, rosie. she has . she shouted it, rosie. she has. she has got. she has express a very legitimate view about women, not feeling safe and people should not be shouting all of us after your news . hello not be shouting all of us after your news. hello emma pattison. here's the latest from the gb news room. the president of the european commission will visit the uk tomorrow to continue talks with the prime minister over the northern ireland protocol. in a statement released by number 10, they said rishi sunak and ursula von der leyen will continue attempts to find practical solutions to