remind people it's 3 pm. it is patrick christys and it is non—stop today. it's a bad day for matt hancock. whatsapp messages appear to show he ignored scientific on people with covid were allowed into care homes . with covid were allowed into care homes. now he's is matt hancock the most dishonest politician ever . should he politician ever. should he apologise to people who couldn't hold their loved ones hands in their final moments shutting down all of the i'm a celeb celebrity to charity or actually and is an interesting chance to be out about actually is it bad journalism to have leaked these whatsapp messages. in other news , are harry and meghan being

evicted .7 has prince andrew been evicted? has prince andrew been safe .7 evicted? has prince andrew been safe ? a life on the streets. safe? a life on the streets. king charles is apparently set to give him the keys to frogmore. it's not a cottage, but harry and meghan are outright supposedly house. king charles stuck two fingers up to his whingeing son. why on earth have the police got after a copy of the koran allegedly damaged at a school in yorkshire police have supposedly met with people at a local mosque to say they've recorded as a hate incident boy who allegedly brought it into school is reportedly autistic as . well. what on earth is going on here? is this just a massive overreaction . we don't live in overreaction. we don't live in a fundamentalist islamic country, do we? should parents lose their benefits if their kids bunk school? if kids go to school is it down to bad, lazy parents or should kids themselves be blamed ? all of that and much, much more. gb views. gbnews.uk. a couple of ones for you today, ladies and gents, i think should hancock apologise. should parents benefits if their kids skip school? gb views. gb news

don't eat, but right now it's your headlines with right attitude . thanks, patrick. good attitude. thanks, patrick. good afternoon . 3:01. here's latest. afternoon. 3:01. here's latest. police have renewed appeal to the public for help in locating the public for help in locating the missing baby of constance marten. and marc gordon. people are being asked to report any suspicious behaviour seen prior to the couple's arrest on night. police have applied for a 36 hour extension to detain them and say they must consider the child has come serious harm. newborns parents who spent 53 days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter officers, sniffer dogs , drones officers, sniffer dogs, drones are being used to search an of 90 square miles around brighton , newhaven and the south downs with mountain rescue teams also involved . rishi sunak says we involved. rishi sunak says we must wait the results of a fish official inquiry before judging the government's of the covid

pandemic. it comes after the telegraph claimed that former health secretary matt hancock rejected advice from the chief medical to test all residents , medical to test all residents, allowing them to enter a care . a allowing them to enter a care. a spokesperson for mr. hancock says thousands of his whatsapp messages have been and doctored to. create a false story. speaking at prime minister's questions earlier . labour leader questions earlier. labour leader sir keir starmer said some politicians have falsely portrayed themselves as heroes families across the country will look at this and the sight of politicians writing books, betraying themselves as heroes or selective leaking messages will be insulting. a ghoulish spectacle for them. at the heart of this is every who make enormous sacrifices for the good the country or tragically lost loved . the country better. loved. the country better. rather than comment on piecemeal bits of information . i'm sure

bits of information. i'm sure that on which i do agree me the right way for these things to be looked at is the covid inquiry. that's why we've established the covid inquiry. and he will know. he know as have he has he will know as have he has mentioned one or two times mentioned it, one or two times before, that a lawyer, before, that he was a lawyer, a previous life. there a proper previous life. there is a proper process these . it an process to these. it is an independent inquiry. process to these. it is an independent inquiry . some independent inquiry. some international news on the greek transport minister has resigned after two trains collided, killing at least 36 people and injuring more than 85. the intercity was carrying over 300 passengers when it hit a freight train near the city of larissa. the stationmaster in charge of signalling been arrested and charged with causing deaths through negligence . firefighters through negligence. firefighters say the death toll is to rise . say the death toll is to rise. back here uk house prices fell by 1.1% year on year in february, according to the nationwide building society marking the first annual decline since june of 2020. last month ,

since june of 2020. last month, average house price was around £257,000. prices are now 3.7% lower than their peak in august of last year. professor of economic books at king's college london, jonathan portas, says he's not surprised by these figures. we were expecting the housing market to weaken both as a result of the general weakness in the economy and the squeeze on really comes as a result of inflation. but also, of course they are quite sharp rise interest rates over the last year or so . a report by mps nhs year or so. a report by mps nhs england will miss key recovery targets for cancer treatments . targets for cancer treatments. cross—party public accounts committee says plans to tackle the covid are already falling short and based on assumptions about winter health demands. it says the proportion of people receiving timely cancer treatment has fallen to a record

low of 62. the report also the capacity of adult social care must improve if the recovery plan is to succeed . both plan is to succeed. both teachers are striking today in the midlands and eastern regions of . england, the midlands and eastern regions of. england, in a long running dispute over. it's of. england, in a long running dispute over . it's the second dispute over. it's the second day of regional walkouts . day of regional walkouts. members of the national education union affecting around 200,000 staff. many schools are either restricting access to pupils or have been fully closed . barry boustead general secretary . the union says the secretary. the union says the government is not cooperating . government is not cooperating. it's a stalemate at the moment . it's a stalemate at the moment. the government says it won't talk to until we stop the strikes. we're saying that we can't stop the strikes until they begin to negotiate and, you know, actually start to commit the substantial negotiations that they're promising us. we can't see. they won't begin negotiate because we want to resolve this issue. and the only way it will be resolved in the end is through negotiation. so we call understand why they're delaying details been

delaying and new details been discovered during cleaning conservation work to prepare . conservation work to prepare. king charles coronation chair experts say they found previously undiscovered parts of a figure . it reveals more a figure. it reveals more information about chair's lavish construction 700 years after it was first made, henry the eighth charles the first queen victoria and of course the late queen elizabeth were all crowned in the historic seat . this is gb the historic seat. this is gb news. we'll bring you more as it happens. now, let's get straight back. patrick all right. so there's only really one place to start today, i think there. and that's the extraordinary release of whatsapp messages sent by matt hancock, now hancock, the covid pandemic. now hancock, the covid pandemic. now hancock wrote the messages , hancock wrote the messages, which are been published by the daily telegraph . was health daily telegraph. he was health secretary, suggest that secretary, and they suggest that he advice on care home he ignored advice on care home

testing from chief medical officer chris whitty . now rishi officer chris whitty. now rishi sunak has warned against piecemeal bits of information . piecemeal bits of information. judge, the government's handling of pandemic and the prime minister called on people to wait for the findings of the official covid inquiry before jumping to conclusions. it's important to state this as well, which is that a spokesperson, matt the messages matt hancock, says the messages were to create a false were doctored to create a false story that he rejected clinical advice on care home testing. lots of different angles on this today and we're going to try and hit them all throughout the course of the show. did he target his 100,000 tests a day, pledge over actual patient safety ? why did he decide that safety? why did he decide that it was okay for not everyone going to housing some of if not the most vulnerable people in the most vulnerable people in the country to be tested? why was that? okay. i want to know why loved ones weren't allowed to hold that dying relative's handsin to hold that dying relative's hands in their final moments. but potentially a member of staff or , anyone else? really?

staff or, anyone else? really? a workman say who hadn't been tested for covid could walk into a care home. that's the inference that i'm getting from these messages. and was it all worth it? looking at that person with dementia just pouring out the glass in their final days, not able to understand why their son or daughter or was outside in floods of tears . could they in floods of tears. could they not have just gone in. if my uncle appeared to be okay with letting other in anyway, letting other people in anyway, it would it would appear and he would deny . but would appear would deny. but it would appear that these things are true that if these things are true that if these things are true that he's not been listening to the which does kind of rubbish the which does kind of rubbish the idea we're all just the idea that we're all just listening the science which listening to the science which was a major why all of our freedoms yes freedoms were curtailed. and yes okay he's done a bit of a pr campaign since then has no bits of contact contacts in march 2020 and june 2022. the figures that i've for, the number that i've here for, the number of people died covid related of people died a covid related death in care homes in england alone figures are for is . for alone figures are for is. for 43,256. to get the latest on this huge story, i can speak to gb news, his political editor,

darren mccaffrey . darren, thank darren mccaffrey. darren, thank you very much . a bad day for you very much. a bad day for matt hancock by the sounds of things . yeah a difficult day things. yeah a difficult day indeed not least of all because i think he will feel deeply betrayed by someone he regarded as a friend that isabel oakeshott's who he effectively give these whatsapp messages to write a book at the end of last yeah write a book at the end of last year. she at the time spoke quite glowingly of her relationship with the former health secretary though she's somewhat on a little further today in terms of publishing these. well clearly permission he says this loads of legal ramifications isabel oakeshott by the way , argues in the by the way, argues in the telegraph today that this necessary given the delays that were seen to the covid inquiry that lessons do need to be learned pretty quickly. but aside from that personal about how difficult it is for matt hancock personally clearly , hancock personally clearly, there are also political ramifications for as well. you've raised lots of issues that have come out of these texts that have been revealed we've had an urgent question in

parliament from the labour party trying to push government's trying to push the government's ascension and the government response fundamentally is. hold on a second. these piecemeal whatsapp message is only one part of a much wider story. yes, of course. matt hancock was then the health secretary and he was messaging people, but there's a whole load of other kind of departments involved in this. there are ministerial aides. the document , you cannot to document, you cannot jump to conclusions about what the government was doing that time simply some whatsapp simply based some whatsapp messages, even if they're all thousands of them. it comes to the substance, particularly around care . again, there's at around care. again, there's at least a recognition from the government that was government that there was limiting back the start limiting testing back the start of the pandemic. the limiting testing back the start of the pandemic . the government of the pandemic. the government simply didn't have the ability to test of people decisions needed to be, and they decided to prioritise those people emerging from hospitals rather than those in the community. now clearly , there are big questions clearly, there are big questions there there as well. not just there there as well. not just the least of all about whether the least of all about whether the government was prepared

properly for a pandemic. i think what's interesting politically is the government at the moment to the of matt hancock to have the back of matt hancock if you like as say, saying if you like as i say, saying that is lots more that there is lots more information out there. information to come out there. this independent inquiry this full independent inquiry about at some stage about the start at some stage the prime minister was saying that should due process that there should due process people jump conclusions people can't jump conclusions but this is only the start. people can't jump conclusions but this is only the start . we but this is only the start. we know the telegraph got access to all these whatsapps . there are all these whatsapps. there are thousands and thousands , thousands and thousands, thousands and thousands, thousands of them questions around ppe, procurement about other government decisions as well and. this could get very, very tricky in the days to come, but at the moment the government saying hold office second. there's an inquiry going to take you can't judges simply on matt hancock's whatsapp . yeah look hancock's whatsapp. yeah look down and thank you very very much darren mccaffrey that political editor from westminster where it's fair to say he's kicked right off that he did allude to the fact of course in course that journalist in question oakeshott know question isabel oakeshott i know isabel great isabel thinks she's great actually honest actually really be honest with you saw fit to leak these messages etc. there is a

question to be had is now we're going to talk about that a bit later on about whether or not that's the done thing or not that's the done thing or not that okay. she's obviously that was okay. she's obviously of mind. absolutely of the mind. it was absolutely 100% justified because he wants to speed covid to try speed up the covid inquiry have it done in the inquiry and have it done in the proper context and not a whitewash. there's a discussion to that, so we'll have to be had that, so we'll have that later on. but that a little bit later on. but i think the central today i think the central issue today really about the role that really is about the role that care play patient safety care homes play patient safety and whether not i think all and whether or not i think all too often this country we too often in this country we throw old people under the bus generally don't to care too generally don't seem to care too much the elderly. and much about the elderly. and is this actually just that ideology laid bare that people in care homes didn't matter the homes didn't really matter the country in absolute crisis country was in absolute crisis carnage. these people are carnage. these old people are maybe on their way out, bless them. so we to do them. so we want to do everything that we can to protect despite fact, protect them, despite the fact, of matt hancock of course, that matt hancock standing us, i hit my standing before us, i hit my target 100,000 tests a day always at this grace okay. we're throwing a protective ring around the calves, our loving arms care homes. and all the while, people essentially were

allowed around allowed to wander around ourselves it would appear, ourselves and, it would appear, without a covid well, without a covid test. well, the actual people who actual relatives of people who were care homes, many of were in care homes, many of those by in care homes those, by the way, in care homes already, had covid. so the idea that you're going to give it to them, course, really them, of course, doesn't really mean because they've mean anything because they've already and their loved mean anything because they've alreaweren't and their loved mean anything because they've alreaweren't able their loved mean anything because they've alreaweren't able their lotheir ones weren't able to hold their in their dying moments. i wonder how many of those elderly people would the risk well would have run the risk as well of getting covid and of actually getting covid and falling from it if falling seriously ill from it if they were given the opportunity to have some with their to have some time with their loved ones? these questions, of course, are . but they course, are. but i think they raised their head today. gbviews@gbnews.uk uk. now the national care association , small national care association, small and medium sized providers across the uk , and i'm very across the uk, and i'm very pleased to say that vice chair joyce penfield joins me . joyce, joyce penfield joins me. joyce, thank very much. i believe joyce is the irish. oh she's coming in just a second. well, keep your views coming . there we go, views coming. there we go, joyce. oh, there we go. but better than never. there we better late than never. there we go. right. so let's just go broad. your initial broad. initially, your initial reaction the idea that my on

reaction to the idea that my on call compared appeared to ignore chris, which is advice about testing every one who came in and out care homes views on and out of care homes views on this when of course we lived through it we knew what was happening and. we were told that we were there to try and help the nhs to make more space for people who had covid but of they seem to forget. but we all looking after the most vulnerable people, society, social care already in crisis with staff shortages under funding and we were asked to look after people coming of hospital and therefore we should have been protected that people coming out of hospitals worked and definitely didn't have covid and definitely didn't have covid and this did not happen if we did not ppe .joyce and this did not happen if we did not ppe . joyce can and this did not happen if we did not ppe .joyce can i just did not ppe. joyce can i just ask because i need a bit of clarity on this you were absolutely at the coalface of the lines today is that matt hancock sort of asks for

everyone coming out of hospitals to be tested into care homes but other people coming into cabs would it be is that true is that what actually happened in your experience or it might experience. of course we have always problems with any infection that comes into a care home. so we have always taken precautions try to obtain ppe, put infection measures in place , whether it was norovirus or seasonal flu. so we were in actual fact, all ready had some idea how we needed to cope. but of course, covid was something that none of us had ever faced before. and the beginnings of it really did frighten us all. it really did frighten us all. it really did frighten us all. and with the nhs needing to free up beds and social care, was there to help them. so therefore we should have been protected but the beginning of this we were

even given guidance that they should very little transmission within the community setting. we would just have helped the nhs by freeing up those beds. we weren't even allowed ppe if they did have ppe, minimal the amount they brought to us, often out—of—date or very so. as far as applying for. yeah, as far as you're concerned, not even the bit that was supposed to have been done, which is making sure that people who come direct fully from hospitals into care homes don't have covid or test negative for covid, in your opinion? no. even that was being donein opinion? no. even that was being done in light that given that and scott was grandstanding saying i've hit 100,000 target and may by the way have prioritised that over patient safety in care homes. i a front page on the newspapers and is supposed to say do you think that mongkok is maybe the most dishonest politician you've ever come across across ? i, i can't come across across? i, i can't

comment on that. i don't know you know, the politicians are told to be able to comment on that in that area. we just don't as social care. we were literally told that a ring of steel would be put around us. we are still looking for that ring of steel we could not i myself spent two days on the phone trying to obtain ppe and then i was told, you know, it will be three weeks coming from china now. it was costing m e £2.24 now. it was costing me £2.24 mar, which is just horrendous. we were trying to put our infection control measures in place and yet we were still being asked to take people from untested . now of course, at the untested. now of course, at the time the testing programme was getting and pcr tests where you can taking a week if the results to come through so that was added properly as well. so if anybody came into the care home we would taking every precaution that we possibly could but we wouldn't possibly know for a

number of days whether that person had got cobra so it was just staff . it was of course just staff. it was of course what in taking every precaution and then going home to their their families so they indeed frightened that they would be taking. yes into their own families and unfortunately probably did as well. but joe, thank you very much . joyce thank you very much. joyce pinfield, who is, of course , pinfield, who is, of course, vice chair of the national association, represents small and medium sized cab providers. it's in light what's going on today. now, this is a completely question i'm going to put it, i think, to my next guest very shortly, which is in light of the despite saying that there was ring of steel around care was a ring of steel around care homes obviously. and in homes there obviously. and in fact, was left fact, basically it was left a rip, it? covid let rip in rip, wasn't it? covid let rip in care it was in one way care homes and it was in one way or another, pretty allowed to do so in light of that. should relatives have been banned from seeing loved ones in cars face to face. if they knew all along . actually nothing was really being done too much anyway to

stop the spread of it in care homes. should they have just let in to hug their loved ones as they gbviews@gbnews.uk me they died gbviews@gbnews.uk me now former health now is the former health secretary is stephen doyle. stephen obviously a pleasure. thank you very much to have you on yeah, reaction to on show. yeah, the reaction to this been, let's be this today has been, let's be honest bad. it honest with you, pretty bad. it would on the face of it. would appear on the face of it. my would appear on the face of it. my denies all of this etc. my uncle denies all of this etc. that's my uncle prioritised a front page on the evening standard to say he wants hit his target over actually keeping vulnerable people . and while vulnerable people. and while your views i'm not sure that i can establish that linkage what i'd like to pick up is what joyce reminded of that at time we were being told by the government in for several weeks , the beginning of march, when they saw kicked off long before they saw kicked off long before the 1000 target which is i remember by the end of april , remember by the end of april, long before that became salient , were being told by the government there was a ring of steel around care homes and it's

blindingly obvious now certainly that that wasn't. but there couldn't be because there wasn't the testing to allow the ring steel to be created, even if been the political will. i like the fact that you've raised that because indicates lies , doesn't because indicates lies, doesn't say and that is a very strong word in light of this evidence. one perhaps could be forgiven for accusing people of absolute whoppers . and then it factors in whoppers. and then it factors in as well to some of the other things that we were told during the pandemic. and we were told we were following the science and whatsapp messages that and the whatsapp messages that come out appear indicate that come out appear to indicate that my was not following the my on call was not following the science. think the science. and do you think the pubuc science. and do you think the public a right to be public have a right to be outraged about this wales will be lied well absolutely be lied about. well absolutely think the public a right to think the public have a right to be outraged the way in be outraged about the way in which policy was developed in particular around care . it isn't particular around care. it isn't that this has come as a surprise with 2020 hindsight. i was in discussions from an i emphasise

this point from the beginning of march before the discharges from hospital before the whatsapp messages that have been published today that on the fact that the most vulnerable people , the people who were at that know not a very substantial of the risk around covid at that time was blindingly obviously the care home population and were the people that didn't have the safeguards put in place as quickly as could have been done if there'd been the political priorities attached to it now , priorities attached to it now, let's just talk about the fact this information has been leaked. now, matt again says this doctor , it's not true. and this doctor, it's not true. and all of this stuff. and we will have to let that play out. but the fact is that some messages now been leaked and quite a lot of them would appear you in your capacity as a former health secretary i don't know whether or you'd been in charge or not you'd have been in charge dunng or not you'd have been in charge during pandemic. you decided during the pandemic. you decided to a diary book to try to release a diary book on it. anyway but you will have

a lot of interaction with journalists now. do you that this journalism is good, unnecessary , or does it unnecessary, or does it potentially . break a code of potentially. break a code of ethics? i'll say this through gritted teeth, because i do know about it. i quite like the fact the information is out, but how do you feel about it ? an uneasy do you feel about it? an uneasy about it, but i think it actually you're right would of course throughout time in politics dealt with journalist sites on a day by day basis. i always it on the basis that as a minister you you have an obugafion minister you you have an obligation to deal with journalists is part of accountability to explain what you're seeking to do but you should never make the mistake of that. however good your personal relationship with a journalist may be and i hope my relationships reasonably good. however they may be. the journalist is not on your side as a politician the journalist

is that call you to account. so i think it's slightly to put it no stronger that matt hancock saw fit to provide these these whatsapp messages to a journalist whose job it is to call him to account . well and call him to account. well and he's trying to rehabilitate in a big way, create a false story that matt rejected clinical advice on care home testing that flat wrong on

april the 14th, matt received a response to his request for advice from response to his request for officer that testing was needed for people going into care homes , which he enthusiastically accepted . later that day he accepted. later that day he convened an operational meeting on delivering for care homes where he was advised it was not currently possible to test everyone entering our homes, but she also accepted matt concluded that the testing of people leaving for care homes should prioritised because of that higher of transmission as it wasn't to mandate everyone going into care homes got tested. that is the statement there from matt hancock spokesperson it is of course important to say that and there is an inquiry on going i'm going to veer away from this. you can imagine we're going to be repeat this particular thing because there are so angles to this. you feel out of this. do you feel cheated out of some moments with your loved ones as a result? hancock action do thoroughly lied to do you feel thoroughly lied to from and also from start to finish and also well, do you think that martin cox should apologise it good or bad journalism this stuff's that gb our gb news get on

gb views our gb news .uk get on it. we're moving now from it. but we're moving now from that because the past police that because in the past police have update . the search have given an update. the search for constance marten mark gordon's baby saying the officers must consider the baby has come to serious harm. the couple remain in custody on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter after being held yesterday evening . they've been yesterday evening. they've been missing for almost two months. let's go live now to brighton and speak to gb news, his home security editor, mark white. mark you very much. what's the latest place ? well, patrick, all latest place? well, patrick, all very really the latest update from the both from sussex police and metropolitan police who are leading this investigation . leading this investigation. absolutely no sign or trace of that missing infant or indeed where the couple may have been staying in recent days since, of course, they went on the 5th of january. we know that they were spotted in various locations in liverpool , in essex and east

liverpool, in essex and east before going down to new haven in sussex. but there was no sight of them until that 1999 call to police on monday night as the couple were seen leaving as the couple were seen leaving a convenience store not from here. they were arrested on. golf drive just behind just after half past nine on monday night . and ever since then, night. and ever since then, we've had very intensive search operation that's underway way involving hundreds of police officers , supplemented today by officers, supplemented today by those search and rescue teams from kent, from london and other areas who've come down. the civilian volunteers who are expert in searching orphaned land, who can help give their expertise and assistance to the police as they continue that operation. we heard a short time ago from detectives superintendent lewis bashford from the metropolitan . this is from the metropolitan. this is what he said .

from the metropolitan. this is what he said. i from the metropolitan. this is what he said . i can confirm that what he said. i can confirm that constance marten tin and mark gordon remain in police here in sussex an application for extension of their detention for a further 36 hours has been sought from brighton court. a further 36 hours has been sought from brighton court . the sought from brighton court. the police searches of the baby continue and we must consider that the baby has to come to serious harm detectives . from serious harm detectives. from the met's specialist crime command are now leading enquiries to locate the baby because of the resources , the because of the resources, the technical knowledge and expertise available to them in this very complex investigation . so that 36 hour extension that's being applied for at the moment will give them. of course, more time to question this couple. but i have to say , this couple. but i have to say, from what the police have been saying, they not been saying, they have not been cooperating with officers thus far, is a real head far, which is a real head scratcher as to why they won't speak to the police. and of course then , where exactly is

course then, where exactly is this child and at what point if this child and at what point if this child and at what point if this child clearly the care at some point before they were arrested but how far before they were arrested on that same days even weeks before ? we don't even weeks before? we don't know. and that's difficulty, patrick for the police as they go forward , this search. that's go forward, this search. that's why the such an enormous area 90 square miles that they're currently searching, using helicopters and drones with thermal image cameras on them , thermal image cameras on them, using these sniffer dogs and. of course, as i say, the mountain rescue teams, as well as hundreds of police officers to try to that land as best they can and try to find out the couple were staying in. the hope that that might lead them to the baby, wherever that might be at this time . yeah. mark, thank you this time. yeah. mark, thank you very about why they were having security. ed, we bring you the very latest on this particular as and when we get it throughout the course of the show right .

the course of the show right. we're moving away from that . and we're moving away from that. and coming up, i've got more news of yet more bad news for harry and meghan. have they been evicted and has prince andrew been saved? saved from a life on the streets . i'll tell you why. streets. i'll tell you why. very, very shortly . i'll see you very, very shortly. i'll see you

to good afternoon . 333. i'm good afternoon. 333. i'm radisson in the gb newsroom. police renewed their appeal to the public for in locating the missing baby constance marten and marc gordon. people are being asked to report any suspicious behaviour seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday night. police have applied a 36 hour extension to detain them

and say they must consider the child has come to serious harm . child has come to serious harm. the newborn's parents who spent three days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion , further arrested on suspicion, gross negligence, manslaughter . gross negligence, manslaughter. the parents of a morbidly obese six year old girl have been jailed . gross negligence, jailed. gross negligence, manslaughter in the first televised court hearing in, wales. hayley tilford was found dead at a home in newton in 2020 after suffering from infection caused by extreme . at the time caused by extreme. at the time of her death weighed nearly 23 stone and had a bmi 70. a mother admitted the charge and was jailed for six years. her father , who pled not guilty, was sentenced seven years and six months. where she sunak says we must wait for the results of an official inquiry before judging the government's handling of the covid pandemic. it comes . the covid pandemic. it comes. the telegraph claimed that former health secretary matt hancock reject advice from the chief medical officer to test all residents , allowing them to residents, allowing them to enter a home. a spokesperson ,

enter a home. a spokesperson, mr. hancock, says thousands his whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to a false story and the transport minister has resigned , after two trains has resigned, after two trains collided, killing at least 36 people and injuring more than 85. the nhs intercity train was carrying over 300 passengers when it hit a freight train near the city of. a station master charge of signalling has been arrested and charged with causing mass deaths through negligence. firefighters say the death toll is expected to . on tv death toll is expected to. on tv onune death toll is expected to. on tv online and on disney plus radio this is gb news. back now to patrick . patrick. patrick oke. loads to get in to just want to throw a hat to something i've got coming up very, very

shortly which is harry and meghan being evicted from frogmore cottage is not a cottage. and will prince andrew get his him? of course, get his saving him? of course, from life on streets. from a life on the streets. we'll talk all of that. we'll talk about all of that. i'm arjan. that's going to be frosty they decide to come frosty if they do decide to come to coronation. there is to the coronation. so there is that. also, clarkson that. also, jeremy clarkson reportedly from who reportedly been axed from who wants be millionaire. and wants to be millionaire. and there's a link in those there's a bit of a link in those stories. that because stories. isn't that because actually, going to hot actually, jeremy going to hot water, least about actually, jeremy going to hot watcomments least about actually, jeremy going to hot watcomments about st about actually, jeremy going to hot watcomments about meghan in one his comments about meghan in one of his opinion columns didn't say so as meghan claimed another scalp on tv. i suppose that they're still out, didn't they? when it came to where they stand on being well, on people being rather well, what opinionated what would she opinionated about? markle so we'll about? meghan markle so we'll talk about all of that. am talk about all of that. i am also going talk about a story also going to talk about a story i think will a lot of you i think will get a lot of you going has got a lot of you going about. yorkshire about. the school in yorkshire where brought where a child reportedly brought in a copy of the koran in, that koran got damaged and key koran got damaged and just key mass police get mass outrage. police get involved as a incident, as meetings with mosques. meetings with at mosques. apparently, just wonder what's meetings with at mosques. apparyonly, just wonder what's meetings with at mosques. apparyonly, ereally?jerwhat's meetings with at mosques. apparyonly, ereally? well,|at's going on there really? well, what there is what is going on? there is a massive overreaction. we'll talk

about of that. but just about all of that. but just before do of that, before we do all of that, a warning for you now that this story that we're going to cover now may contain distressing content. who content. so the parents who neglected their disabled daughter that she daughter to the point that she died self weighing died in her own self weighing three stone, has been jailed. they've been jailed . the judge they've been jailed. the judge handed the parent sentences seven years and six months and six years, respectively . going six years, respectively. going to go now for more detail on this, live to swansea crown where our national reporter theodoric is theo , thank you theodoric is theo, thank you very much. what is the latest place ? well, this afternoon the place? well, this afternoon the parents of six year old kaylee tedford were sentence after being found guilty of gross negligence, manslaughter . her negligence, manslaughter. her mother, sarah lloyd , was mother, sarah lloyd, was sentenced to six years in prison and her father, alan tedford, was sentenced to seven years and six months. and this afternoon , six months. and this afternoon, the judge stated that they were both responsible for their daughter's death . everything she

daughter's death. everything she could do for she did did. but she died .just could do for she did did. but she died . just after her 69th she died. just after her 69th birthday. you sarah lloyd jones, her mother and you, alan tilford . her father caused death by shock king and prolonged neglect over lockdown . in october 20, 20 over lockdown. in october 20, 20 by a grandparent called 999999, then called caylee's home where. her father spoke onto the foot and into phone to an operator. and on that day, on the 10th of october, they found a paramedic, went into her and they found her face. the paramedic told the family , so sorry, there's family, so sorry, there's nothing i can do. shortly after that , officers arrived to the that, officers arrived to the property and they described her

room as . the feel, the room, the room as. the feel, the room, the smell in, the room rotting . we smell in, the room rotting. we understand died from after suffering from inflammation and, infection from ulcerations caused , etc. and mobility. when caused, etc. and mobility. when her body was examined , maggots her body was examined, maggots were found on her body , which were found on her body, which they believe were there in the days leading up to her death and maggots were subsequently found on the in the examination on her bed shortly after when her body was removed during the trial, which last two weeks or so from january , february, her father, january, february, her father, alan claimed at trial at that jones, sarah lloyd jones, her mother was responsible for caylee's care . and when she was caylee's care. and when she was asked when was on, he let daughter down so badly. the removals worker said, i'm lazy and, his own words. the court heard that she, her mother, sarah jones, had an average intellect and poor coping strategy , but they accepted that strategy, but they accepted that

both should have done better. and of course, today the court heard about that period from when lockdown began in march 2020, leading up to october. and we also that investigations have found they spent over we also that investigations have found they spent ove r £1,000 in found they spent over £1,000 in false food. so there was no duty of care when it came to her health. and just a reminder, her mother was sentenced to six years and her father, alan tedford , seven years and six tedford, seven years and six months. goodness gracious . months. goodness gracious. mateo, thank you very much for bringing us the latest updates on that theatrical. that is our national report is our size one z crown court. i mean makes you absolutely sick doesn't but right well look we're going to we're going to move on from that now and a little bit different, it's fair to say it's a case of another day and another setback for harry and meghan. now, as they report , they're going to be they report, they're going to be evicted from their uk home. and would you believe that the king is supposedly offered it to prince andrew? the couple were given frogmore cottage is, by

the way, not cottage by the the way, not a cottage by the queen a wedding gift. we can queen as a wedding gift. we can get some reaction this now get some reaction on this now and tell you in little and also tell you in a little bit with another story we're going be talking later going to be talking about later on with jeremy clarkson. is that although first, i'm going of although first, i'm going to, of course, walker, who's course, to come on walker, who's a reporter, he's in a royal reporter, he's in windsor. thank you very very much. talk about much. but before we talk about that actually, i believe much. but before we talk about that you actually, i believe much. but before we talk about that you were ually, i believe much. but before we talk about that you were originallylieve much. but before we talk about that you were originally that. so news this so it's non—stop royal news this you were originally there for a day go i'm yeah it's day for wales go i'm yeah it's a gift that keeps on giving patrick. yes. well that may be a links short statement and they certainly was not a shortage in sight. these barracks behind because the prince of wales as , because the prince of wales as, the new colonel of the welsh guards was the leeks to the soldiers here, the first battalion welsh guards. it's the first time he's actually visited the troops since gaining that new military title from his majesty the king shortly after queen elizabeth ii death. now after the event, it's which was actually a before we talk about

that i must mention actually a lot of them were quite jetlagged because they had just come off of jungle training in jamaica and had flown back specially for this hours ago so. but this 24 hours or say ago so. but the was pretty the parade was pretty spectacular, i must say. and the prince of wales actually mentions training in his speech because he trains with the welsh guards after his a—levels and he actually in a jungle in belize . actually in a jungle in belize. he found out his a—level results . he, he talked to the troops here about his fond memories of that and talks a sense of family and comradeship which got him through very difficult times out training. the princess wales actually also received from a little girl here and i actually spoke to crystal is the mother he's he's a wife of a trip. he walks at the first stallion, welsh guards and she records fond memories of anglesey and this is what's the princess of wales told that we mentioned about anglesey so yeah she

misses anglesey and that she'd love to take the children there to, show them around. yes, which is lovely of them. yeah, of course. and i think well for us it's, it's our heritage as well. so even being away wales, so even being away from wales, it's have something to it's nice to have something to celebrate we and celebrate and who we are and where we're from and things like that as well. so it's yeah it's a day so they off school for a big day so they off school for elsie the day of work for me elsie and the day of work for me stood flower is could it stood the flower is could it daffodil because daffodils only grow when it's springtime and said they would stay . oh well said they would stay. oh well that was that was lovely was the i like the father you said well the king charles jungle belize and he found out by his a—level results. i was in a wetherspoons in fallowfield. so different lives, suppose. different lives, i suppose. different lives. we talk? can lives. come on. can we talk? can we talk a little bit about this potential? hurry and meghan eviction. what's going there . eviction. what's going there. yeah, a pretty interesting and story actually. now according to the sun, although it seems to be

backed up by many other reports in the last 12 hours or so, prince, following the release, his memoir, which as we have seen, criticised several members of the royal family and the royal family, are not commenting the memoir, but reportedly the king has asked prince harry and meghan to leave cottage, which is the uk residence , that they is the uk residence, that they still have on the private windsor estate . it's now the sun windsor estate. it's now the sun author pool that the king has offered frogmore cottage to prince and now prince andrew in another report is basically having leave his current home of royal lodge, which is this massive mansion again on the windsor estate, because charles is cutting his 250 grand reported annual allowance and he wouldn't be able to afford the upkeep. so the king's offered frogmore cottage, but that means that harry and meghan no longer have home in united kingdom. have a home in united kingdom. but according to reports by journalists who let's perhaps

are sympathetic to harry and meghan harry and meghan are pretty shocked that this happened. and reportedly a couple members of the royal family are also pretty shocked that this has happened . that this has happened. buckingham palace commenting buckingham palace not commenting . and the line i'm getting is very much seen as a private family. but nonetheless, i think it just shows the of it just shows the state of relations the royal. relations within the royal. patrick cameron you very, patrick yeah. cameron you very, very much. cameron walker there, our royal reporter, he's just been bringing you up to date with a couple of things the royals have been getting on with. yes, david's and with. yes, it's st david's and they time, but also well they mark time, but also as well of course, the reported eviction of course, the reported eviction of meghan in. of harry and meghan coming in. thank mean, it is thank you. right. i mean, it is fascinating, isn't it, idea fascinating, isn't it, the idea that harry meghan shocked at that harry and meghan shocked at this? it's a little bit this? i mean, it's a little bit like into a like wandering into a barbershop, for weeks on barbershop, sitting for weeks on end eventually being end and then eventually being shocked haircut, shocked when he gets a haircut, isn't it. how do they expect king charles and the british to react? a uk react? they were gifted a uk base. they were renovating and get, weren't they? much did get, weren't they? how much did all that cost? and then they all of that cost? and then they go the royal family go and throw the royal family under they off under bus. they disappear off

the montecito they do the netflix don't on netflix documentary don't on about it i do the about it i was in it i do the netflix documentary they oprah they this stuff . then they do all of this stuff. then all a sudden they're shocked all of a sudden they're shocked . decides , i don't . the king decides, i don't really want you to have this great favour, pat, anymore so that we go. we will be talking about that much, much more throughout the course and throughout the course of the and another slightly angle as another slightly royal angle as well which is actually meghan markle claimed scalp and markle have claimed a scalp and jeremy we are hearing jeremy clarkson we are hearing anyway supposedly axed anyway is supposedly been axed from to be a from who wants to be a millionaire. so we're going to get because of course get stuck into because of course he some quite strong about he did some quite strong about meghan this itv yet meghan markle is this itv yet again involved taking again getting involved taking meghan we will meghan markle's but next we will get a latest on the case of the copy of the crown that was slightly apparently at a school last month for pupils was suspended and now it's been recorded as a hate incident supposedly police have met people at a local mosque as well. who is going. it's a it's a just book in a school. i'm sorry . i just don't understand. sorry. i just don't understand. this is it just a massive overreaction? and if so ? i'll

overreaction? and if so? i'll see you .

in two. hello it's me, jacob rees—mogg tune in tonight at 8 pm. for state of the nation tonight. joining me is the former brexit negotiator , the lord frost, who negotiator, the lord frost, who will give us a taste of what it was like in the eu's negotiation room . plus, the former editor of room. plus, the former editor of sun, kelvin mackenzie , will be sun, kelvin mackenzie, will be here to provide one of his infamous rants. all that coming up and much more at pm on state of the nation . yes, i've got of the nation. yes, i've got a feeling it might be a rather interesting evening on jacob show tonight, actually, but there we go anyway. right. it's been reported that tv has dropped jeremy clarkson the dropped jeremy clarkson as the host who to be host of who wants to be a millionaire, the former top gear presenters series fronting presenters next series fronting the show is to his last so the show is to be his last so variety says it was told by itv

boss carl mccall that the broadcaster had no future commitments to renew clarkson's contract contract . his mates say contract contract. his mates say it also follows in publishing a controversial article outlining his disdain for meghan markle and in the piece he said the duchess of sussex should be to parade the streets naked with lumps of excrement thrown up. so he didn't exactly sit on the fence. joining me now is paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. paul, thank you very much . people podcast. paul, thank you very much. right. so people podcast. paul, thank you very much . right. so jeremy very much. right. so jeremy clarkson , is he falling victim clarkson, is he falling victim to? the meghan markle brigade. what's going on? in short, yes. but also you have to see who wants to be a millionaire. people kind of trumpeting that he's been dropped from who wants to be a millionaire. they still do one more series. this was a reboot the show. i it reboot of the show. i mean, it was was a what's the word? it was it was a what's the word? it was it was a what's the word? it was off for four years. so he's only been back since 2018. i think talent was there till 2040. so i think in the great landscape , clarkson's career, landscape, clarkson's career, i don't think is going to cause

too much pain. he's really was a little sort of side hobby for him. well it's not about hoping to have, i would imagine that from the money was was not about helping to have but paul is this symptomatic of something a little whiny too potentially little bit whiny too potentially in media you all in the media if you all announced to thank me announced you want to thank me for elderly for but slightly elderly individual who's you know pretty pretty go guessing and maybe a bit controversial so you unfortunately don't have much of a place in mainstream media i suppose. a place in mainstream media i suppose . why are you pointing at suppose. why are you pointing at me ? yeah, no, it's absolutely me? yeah, no, it's absolutely true. now there is a there is a male pale stale thing that goes on that underpins this whole thing. however what do you say? the money thing? it's like it's good money. you got 250 million for amazon with the grand tour , for amazon with the grand tour, clarkson's farm is the biggest original show that they just announced week. the previous announcement six days ago. was this the biggest show on prime? yeah. and so these things normally terrestrial tv throwing

its weight around with frankly a global streaming talent like clarkson is i think real story it's just like it's just not worth the it's not worth the wait for somebody like fox and to fight this. it used to be that needed terrestrial television to underpin your career. now you've done two shows are what they call lump. but you know, i mean, it doesn't really matter and it's not worth the hassle. look, i think, though, as you've rightly identified, there is a commercial individual, commercial of an individual, okay ? and he is a success. don't okay? and he is a success. don't care as it's been woeful without him. in fact, it's almost unwatchable, actually, without jeremy view. jeremy clarkson, in my view. absolutely lost absolutely okay. so they've lost out big time. they've lost out big time . that wonder big time. that you wonder whether he to be whether or not he to be a millionaire is going to go the same as well. paul, thank same way as well. paul, thank you for coming in on you very much for coming in on short notice. i'm sorry. it's short notice. i'm sorry. it's short and sweet, but we do also have something as well, very important that all of us have. paul duddridge, of the paul duddridge, the host of the politics people podcast, reacting to that news that jeremy apparently axed jeremy has apparently been axed from he wants to be a millionaire. is it because of a

more wider picture here of like jeremy having jeremy clarkson not having a place modern work world, place in this modern work world, but controversial but something more controversial now developments now the latest developments surrounding copy of the koran that was damaged as a school last month. well west yorkshire police have confirmed two gb news recorded as a news that it has recorded as a hate incident , news that it has recorded as a hate incident, but news that it has recorded as a hate incident , but got news that it has recorded as a hate incident, but got a news that it has recorded as a hate incident , but got a lot of hate incident, but got a lot of the detail on this because four boys were suspended after a copy of the book suffered slight damage. soil man damage. home secretary soil man is be concerned that has is said to be concerned that has been recorded as a haze incident. west yorkshire police also told us that they're satisfied that no criminal offences were committed. we've got a school full of young people, one of whom in relation to this is reportedly autistic. comes in a book of books, but a book nonetheless is damaged. and we have police involvement. suspensions from schools supposedly meeting at local mosques , calm tensions. what's mosques, calm tensions. what's going on? what country are we living in? with me now is jess gill. he's the host reason uk. jess, thank you very much. is this a massive overreaction from the police? and if so, why?

absolutely. none of their absolutely. it's none of their business. do we have blasphemy laws the end of the laws in the at the end of the day and autistic bringing day and autistic kids bringing bookin day and autistic kids bringing book in school. damaging it isn't. is this an issue for the police to deal with at the same time, we have girls who are being groomed around the country completely being . no, it is completely being. no, it is absolutely ridiculous. what's on.and absolutely ridiculous. what's on. and the only day that the police reportedly anyway felt need to calm tensions by going in. explaining to people at a mosque they were taking this very seriously. i mean , do you very seriously. i mean, do you reckon there have been anything like the same police focus if a of the bible have been damaged at school yorkshire. absolutely not. i mean, i went to a christian school and bibles were being thrown all around and the teachers don't seem to care. but when comes islam, when it comes to islam, a completely different story. did you see video of the mom who was wearing head covering, having wearing a head covering, having to with the council or to plead with the council or whoever was to sure her son isn't hurt ? the council, the

isn't hurt? the council, the independent council who pushed for this meeting said passions fled when it came to this autistic child receiving death threats for. you know apparently that's not issue. that's not what the police should deal with. but him damaging a is. how does this make sense ? does it does this make sense? does it point to you in view that maybe the priority are a bit wrong here? we have seen other incidents. so the batley grammar school comes to mind massively and there are others as well where there appears to be a very heavy handed response from certain elements. it's important to say the way i do actually want to say this only thing there will be elements, huge elements, a muslim community in that and beyond who really wish this wasn't happening. frankly, they don't need this in their lives probably scratching lives and probably scratching their houses think some their houses to think why some people have caused a big people have caused such a big who it. they don't who are about it. and they don't they this kind of they don't need this kind of hassle. right. but why all so many sections? think the many sections? i think of the police especially you police force, especially you are keen tensions as

keen to quell racial tensions as opposed maybe going and meeting community leaders and saying, opposed maybe going and meeting comnweity leaders and saying, opposed maybe going and meeting comnwe do leaders and saying, opposed maybe going and meeting comnwe do live ars and saying, opposed maybe going and meeting comnwe do live in and saying, opposed maybe going and meeting comnwe do live in a quote ing, look, we do live in a quote unquote christian country. it's a secular country. but yes, a christian. and if a copy of a religious text is damaged by an autistic child in a school, it's not really a police matter. didn't you say that to them? obviously mean time and time again we see children being sacrificed at the expense of political correctness with . the political correctness with. the grooming going to the tavistock clinic would queen story out and not saying it's all trans people. i'm not it's not most and of course not. well because the political class isn't willing to have these tough conversations children are being sacrificed for the sake of this is completely wrong. and what. what should what should the school of done do you think do you think that they should have basically said, look, when we've taken action. i mean, they can't really not cooperate with the police. mean, how do we actually stop all this stuff happening in the future? because i think people quite rightly annoyed people are quite rightly annoyed that and attention

that so much focus and attention been on the fact that this been put on the fact that this is just a mild been put on the fact that this isjust a mild i would been put on the fact that this is just a mild i would it's is just a mild i would say it's just a incident at school. just a minor incident at school. i are police attacking , i why are the police attacking, this child, instead of protecting this child who protecting him, this child who is receiving death threats completely all completely wrong. okay. all look, thank you very much for coming to in the studio. jess guild is the host of reason uk. we're be talking we're going to be talking about that. i a little bit later on in the show. i'm concerned. i think a of people are concerned a lot of people are concerned exactly why been exactly why this has been escalated the point it escalated to the point that it is the need to go and meet is and the need to go and meet community people community leaders and people in the to that the community to explain that they're taking strong after supposedly dropped in supposedly a book dropped in a school. bizarre. school. i find it bizarre. i find it really bizarre. you'll see patrick christys on gb see me patrick christys on gb news. next. we'll got the latest on leaked on the fallout from the leaked whatsapp matt whatsapp messages sent by matt hancock during the covid pandemic. i will ask, should king kick harry and meghan of their home reports that their uk home reports are that they evicted and he's they might be evicted and he's going to be wheeled in out . of going to be wheeled in out. of course only eight miles on course it's only eight miles on day, isn't say i'll be back in 2 minutes. don't go anywhere people gbviews@gbnews.uk .

remind people it's 4 pm, it's patrick christys is non—stop today and is a bad day for my uncle because whatsapp messages appear to show he ignored scientific advice and people with covid were into our homes. is matt hancock the most dishonest politician ever? should he apologise to people who couldn't hold their loved ones hands in their final moments , should he donate all of moments, should he donate all of his? i'm a celeb fee to charity now or disappear from life entirely or actually there is this discussion to be had. is he functionally to have leaked these whatsapp messages all very good journalism . well, how about good journalism. well, how about our harry and meghan being evicted. has prince andrew been from a life on the streets king? charles is apparently set to give him the keys to frogmore

cottage and harry and meghan well, outrage, of course. well, their outrage, of course. but take does but it doesn't take much, does it? charles stuck two it? has king charles stuck two fingers up to his whinging youngest son. why earth have youngest son. why on earth have police got involved after a copy the allegedly damaged the koran was allegedly damaged in in yorkshire. police in a school in yorkshire. police met with people at a local mosque as well to say that they've recorded. this is a highly sensitive what on earth is on. the boy who is going on. the boy who allegedly brought school allegedly brought it into school is reported. the autistic. oh, what? happening? what? why is this happening? seriously, what kind of country are we living in here? and should parents lose their benefits ? their kids off benefits? their kids bunk off school if go to school, is it to down bad, lazy parents or should the themselves be blame? the kids themselves be to blame? there might other mitigating there might be other mitigating as of that coming your as well. all of that coming your way. gbviews@gbnews.uk way. much more gbviews@gbnews.uk should hancock apologise and should hancock apologise and should parents lose their benefits if their kids skip school gb views on gb news don't uk. but right now it's your headlines. tatiana sanchez .

headlines. tatiana sanchez. patrick, thank you. good afternoon. this is the from the gb newsroom police have renewed their appeal the public for help in locating the missing baby of constance marten mark gordon. people are being asked to report any suspicious seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday night. police applied for a 36 hour extension to them and say they must consider the child has come to serious harm. the newborn parents who spend 53 days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence. manslaughter officers sniffer , dogs and officers sniffer, dogs and drones are being used to search an area of 90 square miles around newhaven and south downs . the parents of a morbidly obese 16 year old girl have been jailed for gross negligence, manslaughter. the first televised court hearing in wales. kayla telford was found dead at her home in. newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection caused by extreme

obesity. at the time of her death she was weighed nearly 23 stone and she had a bmi of. her mother admitted to the charge and was jailed for six years. her father who pleaded not guilty sentenced to seven years and six months . the prime and six months. the prime minister, rishi sunak's . we must minister, rishi sunak's. we must wait for the results . the wait for the results. the official inquiry before judging the government's handling of the covid pandemic. it comes , the covid pandemic. it comes, the telegraph claimed former health matt hancock rejected advice from the chief medical officer to test all residents before them to enter a care home. a spokesperson for mr. hancock says thousands of its whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to create a false story . speaking at pmqs leader sir keir starmer said some politicians have falsely portrayed themselves as heroes . portrayed themselves as heroes. families the country will look at this and the sight of politics and writing books

betraying themselves as heroes or select leaking messages will be insulting and ghoulish for them . at the heart of this is them. at the heart of this is family who made enormous sacrifices for the good of the country , or who tragically lost country, or who tragically lost loved ones. the country deserves better . rather than comment on better. rather than comment on piecemeal bits of information, i'm sure that one would generally agree me the right way for these things to be looked at is the covid inquiry. that's why we've established the covid inquiry and he will know. he will know as i have. has will know as i have. he has mentioned it one two times mentioned it one or two times before he lawyer and, before that he was a lawyer and, a life. there is a a previous life. there is a proper these things. it is an proper to these things. it is an independent inquiry. proper to these things. it is an independent inquiry . the greek independent inquiry. the greek transport minister has resigned after two trains collided killing at least 36 people and injuring more 85. the intercity was carrying over 300 passengers when it hit a freight near the city of larissa , a stationmaster

city of larissa, a stationmaster in charge of signalling has been arrested , charged with causing arrested, charged with causing mass deaths through negligence. firefighters say the death toll is expected to rise . a report by is expected to rise. a report by mp says nhs england will miss key recovery targets for cancer treatments. the cross—party pubuc treatments. the cross—party public accounts committee says plans to tackle the covid backlogs already falling short and based on over optimum stick assumptions about winter health demands. it says the proportion of people receiving timely cancer has fallen to a record of 62.the cancer has fallen to a record of 62. the report also says the capacity of adult social care must improve if the recovery plan is to succeed . teachers are plan is to succeed. teachers are striking today in the midlands and eastern regions of england in a long running dispute over pay- in a long running dispute over pay. it's the second day of regional walkouts by members of the national union affecting . the national union affecting. 200,000 staff. many schools are

either restricting access to people's or fully closed . mary people's or fully closed. mary bousted general secret . off the bousted general secret. off the end, eu says the government is not cooperating . it's not cooperating. it's a stalemate at the moment. the government says won't talk to us until we stop the strikes. we're saying that we can't the strikes until they begin to negotiate and you know, actually to commit to the substantial negotiation that they're promising us, we can't see why they won't begin negotiations because we want to resolve this issue. and the only way it will be resolved, the end is through negotiation. so we can't understand why they're delaying . now, new details have delaying. now, new details have been discussed during cleaning and conservation work to prepare king charles's chair, expert they found previously undiscovered parts of a figure . undiscovered parts of a figure. it reveals more information about. it reveals more information about . the chair's lavish about. the chair's lavish construction hundred years after was made henry the eighth charles the first queen victoria and the late queen elizabeth

were all crowned in the historic feat feat . this is gb news we'll feat feat. this is gb news we'll bnng feat feat. this is gb news we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to . patrick hey, welcome . okay, so let's hey, welcome. okay, so let's kick off this hour talking about the extraordinary release of those whatsapp messages sent by matt hancock during the covid pandemic . hancock wrote the pandemic. hancock wrote the messages which been published by the daily telegraph when he was health secretary, and they suggest that he ignored advice on testing from chief on care, home testing from chief medical officer chris whitty, sir. not exactly following the science. how many times did we hear that? what following the science. and that's why we all have shackled our own have to be shackled to our own bedroom radiators, for goodness sake. has warned, sake. rishi sunak has warned, using bits using piecemeal bits of information to judge the government's the government's handling the pandemic, prime minister pandemic, and the prime minister called wait for the called on people to wait for the findings covid findings of the official covid inquiry jumping to inquiry before jumping to

conclusions. spokesperson for conclusions. a spokesperson for hancock the messages were hancock says the messages were dr. it to create a false story that he rejected clinical advice care home testing so many different to get stuck into. today we're going to try and do all of at no to testing all of them at no to testing everyone went into care everyone who went into care homes. where all homes. why is that where all people essentially left to die. should just ordinary members of people's families be allowed into care homes have allowed into care homes have allowed into homes to hold their in their final days? if we knew that other people were walking in out there having not been in and out there having not been tested and, especially considering vast considering that the vast majority in care homes, majority of in care homes, unfortunately already covid at this particular moment time. this particular moment in time. he listening he wasn't listening to the science i've science would appear as i've already . how does that make you already. how does that make you feel. frankly as well. is he the most dishonest politician you've ever ring steel around ever seen? a ring steel around care homes. i'm going to a chat a little later on as well a little bit later on as well about ethics of releasing about the ethics of releasing these whatsapp messages . and these whatsapp messages. and there's been a fantastic email and before i go to darren on this from, said in this from, mick, he said in answer the question, answer to the question, i asking, which is, is this good

journalism? it's come out, is it maybe a bit squishy in terms of did trust isabella trott did hancock trust isabella trott the good? the lady in question good? journalist to , to, to journalist of course to, to, to not him answer to my not release him in answer to my question, he's basically it as basically should matt hancock apologise under or is apologise under and burn or is the telegraph's expose a pure opportunism trial by media self—promotion ? he thinks it's self—promotion? he thinks it's more trial by media. there are very much two sides to that. but get your views coming in on the latest on this huge story. i can speak gb views political editor darren mccaffrey. darren, thank you so much. i mean, matt hancock stands accused of various things, probably most important , various things, probably most important, ali, lying about throwing a ring of steel around care homes . yeah. and this all care homes. yeah. and this all kind goes back in many regards, to patrick, britain's testing ability at that stage not it is pretty clear from what we see from these texts if you judge the merely on texts that the advice that those care we need to homes should be tested from both hospitals and indeed from

within the community. now that didn't happen , i think to didn't happen, i think to a large degree the government's kind of defence on this is that it couldn't happen either because simply that states did not have the testing capacity to do it on such a scale . well, and do it on such a scale. well, and thatis do it on such a scale. well, and that is why this suggesting that in the end it was not for that to. but you know when you look those messages, it does seem clear that is something the government did want to happen. it's something, as you say , the it's something, as you say, the scientists were suggesting should happen . in the end, it should happen. in the end, it did not know the commons defence and all this is hold on a and all of this is hold on a second. this is part of a much, much wider picture. we cannot base our decisions or indeed reckless effectively what happens around 19 responses, just based matt hancock's whatsapp. whatsapp messages if there are thousands of them and you're right, he's quite extraordinary reading them. i mean these messages to the prime minister to dominic cummings, to supporters chris supporters of violence chris whitty others and it's just whitty and others and it's just interesting the texts interesting reading the texts themselves at

themselves. however, at the moment is urgent moment there is an urgent question. parliament earlier on today, the government effectively line effectively sticking by the line that they will defend what happened within back in 2020 and dunng happened within back in 2020 and during the pandemic. but also the people need to wait for this covid inquiry and in fact we actually have heard from baroness hallett, she is heading up inquiry today. baroness hallett, she is heading up inquiry today . she up that inquiry today. she didn't matt hancock or , didn't mention matt hancock or, isabel by name, but isabel oakeshott by name, but she say the inquiry she did say that the inquiry team working out. team were working flat out. i know no other inquiry of its kind in world or in public was strategy powers to obtain evidence core participants playing important roles and extraordinary broad terms reference and all of this idea being put forward by isabel oakeshott reason that she's breached matt hancock's trust in getting these whatsapp messages into the public to give them to her privately to kind of ghost—writer book baroness hallett says i wish to emphasise is there will be no whitewash , is there will be no whitewash, but this is an inquiry that's also going to go for on a hell of a long time. we're not any

answers from it soon and just to leave you with this, patrick, this is only the start is going to a bit like we think the mpc scandal in the sense that the telegraph to release telegraph are going to release more more these text more and more these text messages day after. and i think maybe could get even trickier for the government, particularly we contracts that we look at those contracts that were handed out at the start with allegations course vip with allegations course of vip loans and the companies were given contracts frankly given contracts when frankly they the ability to they hadn't got the ability to deliver absolutely. deliver them. well, absolutely. i this absolutely massive. i mean, this absolutely massive. and to rumble on and other and it's to rumble on and other people are going to be dragged into this in a big way. daryn, thank you very, much, john. thank you very, very much, john. that outside , that political editor outside, westminster westminster worries kate earlier today, kate wright earlier today, given the fact that there have been these leaked whatsapp messages, something hundred something like a hundred thousand of them, actually, of matt hancock, a variety of different during , the different people during, the covid pandemic. let's all covid pandemic. now, let's all go of ourselves. what we go ahead of ourselves. what we appear know far, bangkok appear to know so far, bangkok saying this is denied it is dr. messages, etc. what is the pubuc messages, etc. what is the public domain at the minute

appears suggest that matt hancock was advised by chris whitty. so from the scientific point view that everyone into care homes, everyone not just patients coming out of hospitals into cabs, anyone should covid test it. okay. i'm bangkok was so focussed on his target is big bold target over 100,000 community tests. every single that it would appear they decided not to do that because wanted to hit his own target wanted to hit his own target wanted to hit his own target wanted to get the good publicity , wanted to be on the front pages of the newspapers looking like an absolute hero. meanwhile if we take that to his natural conclusion , people in care homes conclusion, people in care homes were put at risk, people died. and also he knew that people in care homes had covid and that people potentially with covid were allowed in and out of those care homes, why ? why were care homes, why? why were relatives not allowed to sit near that dying elderly may be alzheimer's riddled loved ones

in final moments. i mean it is pretty catastrophic. david. sorry david. philip blonde joins me now. former adviser to david cameron. i would respectfully that would have been news and a half if david cameron had just dropped off my screen. but you are are than good are you are more than good enough. and so look, what do you make of all this? do think make of all of this? do think that hancock is a massive that matt hancock is a massive hot now, people are hot water head? now, people are saying if saying that, well, frankly, if the government him have been lying this, we'll lying about all of this, we'll be lied to all along. your views. all depends on whether views. it all depends on whether he's text messages indeed . he's text messages were indeed. my he's text messages were indeed. my understanding of the situation . is that he situation. is that he subsequently accepted. laurie with his a is advice that that everyone going in should be tested. he went to a meeting at which he was told they simply didn't have enough tests and then he said and then decision was made that will test the ones who are most at risk. those out of hospital because . we simply

of hospital because. we simply don't have the tests available to test going in the car, home and then the guidance that published the day after that meeting said that they would those coming out of hospital and they would seek to towards testing those who went in to the care homes . the question testing those who went in to the care homes. the question is and i think you your finger on it earlier is we know that the number of tests in the country were ratchet . so who what was were ratchet. so who what was the decision made in favour of what group . so that is that that what group. so that is that that portion of test will go to was it indeed as you suggested to hit an arbitrary target? well, was it for another emerges key group of workers such as doctors so we don't actually know facts. we don't know if it was genuinely the situation . we only genuinely the situation. we only had 100,000 tests and if we tested everybody going into a

care home, we couldn't for example , doctors in hospitals , example, doctors in hospitals, we don't know that if it turns out that it was the we restricted the tests for four anonymous agency target . yes anonymous agency target. yes he's in trouble if it turns out that hancock's version is accurate , then no, he's not. no, accurate, then no, he's not. no, he's not. but what it does also identify is lies. because a okay, if what he's saying and he's saying he's trying to say that he was following the science. what we see so far just taking these messages at face value and we will have to see them borne out in the full likeness of the day and all of this stuff. but just so what we see so far, it does look like he wasn't particularly the science. and so when they were implementing every rule implementing every single rule and restriction was was really. yes, okay with lives yes, okay with saving lives in some other some part was ruining in other parts you have to parts as well. you have to question or they question whether or not they were truthful were being entirely truthful about this ring about that. but also this ring of steel around care homes. i mean, that was a lie, wasn't it

and realistically is his credibility even more than credibility even more shot than it was . yeah, i think that's it was. yeah, i think that's correct . so i think your correct. so i think your analysis there is , right. it analysis there is, right. it can't be a ring of if we only test people coming out of hospital , we let everyone else hospital, we let everyone else come in untested and then your point about not letting relatives in if we're letting people come in untested , why not people come in untested, why not let relatives in. i that the very good questions but on the key point that you're looking for which is data ignore sign advice i don't think it's clear that we can say he did it from his account he said he took the scientific advice and said everybody must get tests it. at a subsequent meeting he was told by civil servants, we have the test to do that . so they decided test to do that. so they decided to test the highest risk group and now that is a legitimate so yeah and just don't know the facts of the matter as it currently stands . yeah no we

currently stands. yeah no we don't just want you all to clear something i said earlier on genuinely, which is i should have said it, you know, it would appear it could appear as though potentially wasn't telling the truth as opposed it being as truth as opposed to it being as definite potentially definite as potentially presented so apologies presented as that. so apologies about that's that's about that. so that's that's that's fair responses, that's only fair responses, of course. of your course. but in terms of your role former adviser, david role as a former adviser, david cameron , would you have ever cameron, would you have ever advised david cameron to have given unfettered access to whatsapp ? any journalist ever . whatsapp? any journalist ever. and i think that's incredibly i mean i think i can i imagine matt hancock can fail that his loyalty been really abused i imagine isabel oakeshott will argue it's in the public interest and in my experience at journals lists it's in the pubuc journals lists it's in the public interest, something the pubuc public interest, something the public would support support. and so i think i think the

impact if the text message have been doctored and a and a crucial line has been taken out to incriminate hancock , think to incriminate hancock, think that reflects very badly on the source and very badly on the telegraph that that would be fraudulent in in my view in attempting to depict what's going on to essentially paint hancock in worst light that's wrong that contravenes every journalistic ethic but . again i journalistic ethic but. again i say we go no no there are a lot of unknowns in this very much stronger on both sides of all now. and look philip, we do appreciate your time as ever. thank you very, very much. philip blondeau is a former adviser david cameron adviser to david cameron reacting to latest it's reacting to the latest news it's come out, of course, bombshell news, was news, really. i mean, was absolutely massive this of late. what that which matt what is that messages which matt hancock doctored hancock says course doctored etc. have come out which etc. that have come out which appear to show maybe was not appear to show he maybe was not listening to the science and that potentially anyway inference from what we are aware

of is that he prioritised getting the number of tests done as to actually protecting everybody in care homes and how do people feel about that? you know, you weren't allowed to go to see loved potentially. to see loved ones potentially. you weren't allowed to hold the loved hands. and we loved ones hands. and i think we all signed for that. if it all signed up for that. if it did affect we all signed did affect you, we all signed for as heartbreaking. that for that. as heartbreaking. that was on the that we was on the grounds that what we had the in those had protect the people in those care it emerges care homes. but if it emerges now that people coming of now that people coming out of hospitals, was pretty hospitals, that was a pretty ropey testing system. and so that really stop the that didn't really stop the spread of covid in the spread of covid people in the homes covid people homes already had covid people were and without were coming in and out without being you feel if being tested. how do you feel if you maybe out of you were maybe cheated out of some final with your some final moments with your loved one, but a spokesperson for hancock say he's part for matt hancock say he's part these have been these stolen messages have been doctored story doctored to create a false story that rejected clinical that matt rejected clinical advice testing that advice on care and testing that flat on april the 14th, flat wrong. on april the 14th, matt response to his matt received a response to his request advice from the request for advice from the chief officer that chief medical officer that testing needed for people testing was needed for people going care which he going into care homes which he enthusiastically accepted. later that convened that day he convened an operation meeting on delivering testing care homes where he

testing for care homes where he was was not currently was advised it was not currently possible test everyone possible to test everyone entering homes, he entering our homes, which he also accepted . matt concluded also accepted. matt concluded that testing of people that the testing of people leaving hospital care homes leaving hospital for care homes should be prioritised because of higher transmission as higher risk of transmission as it wasn't possible mandate it wasn't possible to mandate everyone into care homes that got tested that we got we're moving away from matt hancock story for just a moving away from matt hancock story forjust a short period of story for just a short period of time to be recovering all of us later gbviews@gbnews.uk . but now later gbviews@gbnews.uk. but now on to the latest on the search for constance martin and mark gordon's baby. this a case again, this gripped the nation and the gave an update just over and the gave an update just over an hour and said the an hour and they said the officers must consider that the baby serious harm . baby has sadly to serious harm. the couple remain in custody on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter after being held on monday evening they'd be missing for almost two months now beanng for almost two months now bearing in mind of course they were held initially on monday evening . it is now 4:21 on evening. it is now 4:21 on wednesday . and i want to drill wednesday. and i want to drill down a bit on the search operation some. massive, massive

massive area of ground that police are having to search course in the hunt for what is just a very, very young baby. they are clear that they fear that babies come to the worst kind of harm. but also what will the be doing to try the police be doing now to try to get information out of these people? well their interview techniques and peter techniques be like and peter kirkham joins me. he's a former senior with senior officer with the metropolitan peter, you metropolitan. peter, thank you very can you just start a very much. can you just start a little bit by trying get little bit by trying to get a bit of on the police will be bit of on how the police will be behaving here? so got a couple in custody they be in custody and. they will be desperately trying to get information them. i information out of them. i think. now, is this baby? think. now, where is this baby? what will the process like? will they interviewing they be interviewing them non—stop end? what non—stop for hours on end? what do you will be happening there ? do you will be happening there? i know they won't be interviewing non—stop for hours on end. there are strict rules governing how people in custody have to be dealt with by the police and they cannot interview for long periods of time the mental and physical health of the suspects needs to taken into

account and sometimes that means you'll have very short periods of time, half an hour or, an houn of time, half an hour or, an hour, and then you need to break that will be breaks for males. they will be an eight hour penod they will be an eight hour period of uninterrupted arrest that every 24 hour period , which that every 24 hour period, which can only be breached in very exact or circumstances . and they exact or circumstances. and they will access to solicitors , they will access to solicitors, they will access to solicitors, they will have access to appropriate adults if there are mental health issues that require that so there are an incredible number of safety guards around. how the police can interview the suspects once they're in custody . they come from the police and criminal and criminal act 1984 and they've been in place for an awful long time now. and in relation to the two people that they do have in custody, of course, they come from, it's fair to radically different fair to say, radically different backgrounds, course, backgrounds, one, of course, from aristocratic family , the from aristocratic family, the other not at. oh, how other definitely not at. oh, how

well do you think the police will be reacting to the individual that must shape the way you tried to way that you tried to get information and facts as information out and the facts as well have been missing well that they have been missing for a number of and found i mean it will be the police must be using certain types of character profiles i would imagine may is trying to get the information out them and they may well out of them and they may well have involved psychologists , have involved psychologists, other experts in terms of advise on the interview technique that is used and on how best develop things that are said . but if things that are said. but if nothing is being said, there's very little that those psychologists can actually about . and if someone is just saying nothing, which is their rights on the uk law , then there's very on the uk law, then there's very little you can do. there's only so many times you can ask a question before the courts would deem it oppressive and if something deemed oppressive anything that said as a result is likely to be ruled out in any

subsequent criminal trial. obviously that authority is to try and find out where this baby is and it's not of an age where obviously patently obviously it's not of an age where it can look after itself. and so unless it's been left with somebody , it's been left with somebody, then i'm afraid that the decision that it will have to some very significant harm are likely to be fulfilled at some point . and but they will be point. and but they will be desperate trying to find out where that child , just in case where that child, just in case there is anything that can be done to improve it situation action. and if still alive and in the care of somebody can i just ask you in general it's more of a general question than the direct specifics of this particular case. but if you as a police are confronted, you that there is a vulnerable two month old baby quite possibly out

somewhere in exposed environments and literally every second matters and you are confronted by a couple of people who want to be cooperating. that must be an incredibly frustrating situation for you to be involved in. it is and been talked about and written about lot over the years i think it's called the torturers dilemma . called the torturers dilemma. and we all know that physical force and torture is not useful in terms of getting accurate about others and about situations because people will say whatever they need to say to stop that pain happening . stop that pain happening. however, when you are faced this sort of situation and the information you provide it with, the child is here. it's a straight yes or no. if you go there and if the child's there, it's true. if it isn't, it isn't. and that information's not of any use in any other regard . and so it's a dilemma regard. and so it's a dilemma that actually turns up more often than people would believe

evenin often than people would believe even in uk policing the sort of most recent sort of leading example down in wiltshire where somebody was arrested on suspicion of kidnapping, i, a 20 year old female from swindon think it was she was still missing . he think it was she was still missing. he was think it was she was still missing . he was arrested and. missing. he was arrested and. the senior investigating officer decided to breach of the police safeguards and rules , or at safeguards and rules, or at least the boundaries of them . least the boundaries of them. and as a result of that, admissions were made to a second murder. now that was criticised at the first trial, less so at the second trial, subsequently , the second trial, subsequently, but that that case really opened everybody's eyes or should have opened everybody and everybody's to the fact that these dilemmas actually exist in the uk policing relatively frequently . policing relatively frequently. yeah. peter thank you very much.

it is a quite morbidly fascinating insights into what will be going on, quite possibly as we speak. peter kirkham, that former met senior investigating officer just former met senior investigating officerjust giving us a little bit of an insight as we await more news on this tragic case of the missing baby. a couple arrested in place custody, of course, and the police search goes on. they've got a massive area to search for that particular baby. we will particular baby. and we will bnng particular baby. and we will bring latest it as bring you the latest on it as and when get it. but later and when we get it. but later this hour, return to the this hour, we will return to the release of matt hancock whatsapp messages hancock messages was right matt hancock goes there is a bloke to goes right there is a bloke to release these private texts i think massive public think there's massive public interest isn't there a start interest isn't there for a start but we'll see you get stuck but then we'll see you get stuck right that in just couple right into that in just couple of minutes .

good afternoon. it's 431. i'm tatiana sanchez . this is the tatiana sanchez. this is the latest from the gb newsroom police have renewed their appeal to the public for help in locating the missing baby of constance martin and mark gordon . people are being asked to report any suspicious behaviour seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday night. police have applied for a 36 hour extension to detain them and say they must consider the has come to serious harm the newborn's parents who 53 days on the run been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. the parents, a morbidly obese 16 year old girl, have been jailed for gross negligence in the first televised court hearing in wales . kayla telford was found dead at her home in newtown in thousand and 20 after suffering from an infection caused by extreme obesity. at the time of

her death, she weighed nearly 23 stone and she had a bmi of 70. her mother , the charge and was her mother, the charge and was jailed for six years. her father pled not guilty, was sentenced to seven years and six months . to seven years and six months. rishi sunak says. we wait for the results of the official inquiry before judging the government's handling of the covid pandemic. it comes after the telegraph both claimed former health secretary matt hancock rejected advice . the hancock rejected advice. the chief medical officer to test all residents before allowing them to enter a care home. a spokesperson for, mr. hancock, says thousands of whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to create a false story and the greek minister has resigned . two trains collided at resigned. two trains collided at least 36 people and injuring more than 85. the intercity was carrying over 300 passengers when it hit a freight train near the city of larissa , a

the city of larissa, a stationmaster in charge of signal has been arrested and charged with , causing mass charged with, causing mass deaths through negligence . deaths through negligence. firefighters say the death is expected to rise . tv online and expected to rise. tv online and derby radio, this is gb news is now it's back to . now it's back to. patrick well, lots of you have been getting in touch your on matt hancock i'm going to go to some of those now andrew in oldham says why has bloke choice as the journalist who has to release these whatsapp messages been holding to these messages so holding on to these messages so long? and why did all of them appear? the that she wrote appear? the book that she wrote for seems to me they both for it seems to me they both being opportunistic and less than truthful in their account of what of the pandemic. what is interesting, think interesting, i mean, i think isobel's line on this is that she was worried that this covid inquiry far too long inquiry was taking far too long and that it would be a whitewash

and that it would be a whitewash and that it would be a whitewash and that the truth would turn out. what will say is that out. and what i will say is that if are dealing with a if you are dealing with a politician who has been politician who possibly has been less truthful given an less than truthful and given an overly varnished account of events for a number of years now, then actually do you have any faith that the truth would come in the end without maybe doing this it's the public interest. if i didn't say i don't suppose that's down to you, isn't it? i hold whether or not you think that the public interest in finding out about this if indeed is as this if indeed it is true as well. my uncle denies it. it's a minefield then. is that enough interest it to being interest for it to warrant being out. bridgend says out. gareth from bridgend says this all absolute nonsense. this is all absolute nonsense. there go . no one knew what to there we go. no one knew what to do. we were as we went. do. we were all as we went. everyone did what with everyone did what could with some having to. very some even having to. very difficult hindsight difficult decision. hindsight is so easy. with you on that so easy. i'm with you on that and i think that some of some of the criticism the government in the criticism the government in the handled things the way that they handled things is really unfair. and we were heanng is really unfair. and we were hearing actually at the hearing a lot actually at the time from usual times in the time we from usual times in the media popping at press media popping up at press conferences and actually blame a

lot of the media lot of elements of the media keeping lockdowns and keeping us in lockdowns and keeping us in lockdowns and keeping restrictions and making sure ridiculous rules sure we have ridiculous rules and regs because. think they and regs because. i think they felt though they were felt as though they were representing vast majority representing the vast majority of when reality of the people when in reality they certainly towards they weren't. certainly towards they weren't. certainly towards the pandemic and being the end of pandemic and being overly while people's overly cautious while people's economic were ruined as economic lives were ruined as well as mental health crises, etc. however . one point on well as mental health crises, etc. however. one point on this is according to the messages that are out there in the debate at minute, it would appear that matt hancock may have prioritised his targets of hitting 100,000 community tests a day over using of those tests on people were going in and out of care homes. the implication there would be if true there were people who were vulnerable in care homes puts unnecessary risk. so that matt hancock could get a good on the front page and i think would be considered by most people to be a wrong decision. even with hindsight . decision. even with hindsight. meghan says this which once again is hancock merely typifies the corrupt nature of the anti—british, westminster ,

anti—british, westminster, traitors, grief and self—serving media propaganda machines who have destroyed the democratic will of the british. there we go . know, i'm not entirely sure exactly what points that you're making there. i get that you're clearly not particularly angry . clearly not particularly angry. a man would appear. meghan, for all this. but there we go. all of this. but there we go. right. going to present right. we're going to present this throughout the course of the are going to the show and we are going to drill down to something that i think two of you have think at least two of you have mentioned there, which about mentioned there, which is about whether really these whether or not really these whatsapp should have whatsapp messages should have been all. is a been released at all. that is a big be had. i've big discussion to be had. i've got stuff your way got other stuff coming your way as and meghan going as well. harry and meghan going to from their to be evicted from their frogmore cottage. it's not a cottage. and we'll be talking about that as well. a about all of that as well. a warning now. moving on. that this story may contain distressing parents this story may contain distrneglected parents this story may contain distrneglected their parents this story may contain distrneglected their disabled1ts this story may contain distrneglected their disabled to who neglected their disabled to the that she died in her the point that she died in her own filth. why in 23, stone have now been jailed and the court heard that kaylee telford lived and died in squalor and degradation . on national degradation. on national reporter theo chikomba has sent us this report from . swansea

us this report from. swansea crown court. this afternoon the parents of six year old kaylee was sentenced after being found guilty of gross negligence manslaughter. her mother , lloyd manslaughter. her mother, lloyd jones, was sentenced to six years in prison and. her father, alan tedford, was sentenced to seven years and six months. and this afternoon the judge stated that they were both directly responsible for their daughter's death. everything she could do for herself, she did . but she for herself, she did. but she died . just after her 16th died. just after her 16th birthday. you sarah lloyd jones, her mother . and you identified her mother. and you identified father, caused death by shocking and prolonged neglect . lockdown and prolonged neglect. lockdown in october 20, 20. grandpa jones called 9999999 called caylee's home, where her father spoke on the and into the phone to an

operator. and on that day, on the 10th of october, they caylee, a paramedic , went into caylee, a paramedic, went into her room and found her facing towards chest. the paramedic told the family i'm ever so sorry. there's nothing i can do. shortly after that , officers shortly after that, officers arrived to the property and they described her room as the so was so strong. it filled the room, the smell in the room and it was like rotting flesh. we understand she died from after suffering from inflammation and infection , ulcerations caused by infection, ulcerations caused by obesity and mobility. when her body was examined. maggots found on her body, which they were there in the days leading up to her death. and maggots were subsequently found on the in the examination on her bed shortly after when her body was removed dunng after when her body was removed during trial, which lasted around three weeks or so from january into february. her father alan tedford came to trial . lloyd—jones sarah lloyd

trial. lloyd—jones sarah lloyd jones, her mother was responsible for caylee's care. and when she was asked when he was asked why he let his daughter down so badly to was work, i said, i'm lazy. in his own words, the court that she, her mother sarah lloyd jones had an average intellect and poor coping , but they accepted that coping, but they accepted that both of them should have done better. and of course, today the court heard about that period from when lockdown began in march 2020, leading to october and also heard that investigations found that they spent over £1,000 in fast food . spent over £1,000 in fast food. there was no duty of care when it came to her health. and just a reminder, her mother was sentenced to six years and her father, alan tedford , seven father, alan tedford, seven years and six months welfare die with deeply disturbing report. so anyway, we're moving on from that now. it's fair to say that behind most successful is usually a successful ghost—writer and in the case of

matt hancock's book entitled the pandemic diaries helping hand was given behind the scenes from his ghost—writer and political journalist isabel oakeshott. but today decided to today mr. oakeshott decided to expose the health secretary by leaking private exchange during the , which suggests the pandemic, which suggests that he ignored advice on covid testing care homes. but was it ethical for the journalists in question to release the facts which were handed to her in confidence to this? i'm joined now by the former newspaper and media consultant neil wallace and the journalist and broadcaster angela rafferty. neil, thank you very much for you first. do you think it is or bad journalism ? i think it's bad journalism? i think it's good journalism . the sense of good journalism. the sense of a big has been exposed is in the paper. big has been exposed is in the paper . we're debating a serious paper. we're debating a serious issue here. we're talking about long, long overdue public into what happened during the pandemic and of that must be

good. there is a real real problem about how long this is taking . this is looking to me as taking. this is looking to me as though this so—called inquiry is going to last as long as the sunday inquiry in ireland , which sunday inquiry in ireland, which lasted ten years. we need answers before then , and if answers before then, and if nothing else, what was the day as accelerate? get that because the issue's not now going to go away , is it? we know the way away, is it? we know the way things going on. we know there were rules . we know there were were rules. we know there were different viewpoints . we knew different viewpoints. we knew there were mistakes . but we also there were mistakes. but we also saw, i think you quite rightly . saw, i think you quite rightly. hindsight is , a deadly disease hindsight is, a deadly disease at. the time. did they know what was it, isn't it? you didn't know that he knew what was right and wrong. so it's a bit easy to say now with hindsight , oh, they say now with hindsight, oh, they should have done this. don't that. but at least it's being talked about after these days

out that . yeah absolutely . out that. yeah absolutely. angela, i'll ask you the same question that we are talking a lot about. what i see in these whatsapp messages throughout the course this show. but how just in that whether or in terms of the that whether or not should been out not they should have been out there, think this is good there, do you think this is good or bad journalism, angela? i think is complex journalism. i mean, have to remember the mean, we have to remember at the heart of story , 43,000 care heart of this story, 43,000 care home died during the home residents died during the first two years of the pandemic . don't know how many of . and we don't know how many of those directly those deaths were directly unked those deaths were directly linked to the fact that covid was imported back into care homes because there wasn't adequate testing . we bandy adequate testing. we bandy around the terms public interest too easily for sort of less important, significant issues . i important, significant issues. i think this is an issue of huge significance and i think it was obviously a complex series of events i can't get into is about oakeshott's head . she's a highly oakeshott's head. she's a highly regarded, award winning journalist. it's a nuanced education. she may have felt it immediately. she may have thought it post facto . so

thought it post facto. so i can't second guess why she took her time or the reason was. the fact is that was information there at. and i think on this occasion on every occasion that i think got to be clear is that when you go straight to you enter into a position of, trust yourself with the person whose memoirs you've been entrusted with. a question of with. so it's not a question of journalism, a question trust. journalism, a question of trust. but think this occasion public but i think this occasion public interest is that trust. well, i think that's part of it, isn't is that that line between trust , i suppose, and i think, you know, in a way nearly all your views on this now , anita, it was views on this now, anita, it was a as a former newspaper editor, if a journalist come to you and said, right, look, i've been given all of these whatsapps, i always go thrice in this particular chapman book. these were given to me in confidence. i want to get this out there with you . i mean, would you with you. i mean, would you would you just jump to that chance? would you ? patrick you chance? would you? patrick you know me well. a lot of this of told my hands off and what's in

the paper, of course , i'm on the the paper, of course, i'm on the front is yet further from page, but but i so any editor with any any salt about them would have done the same thing. no let me just talk a little bit about the technicality here. isabel would have been given these docu elements many months ago if she wasn't given these documents a months before that book was published. takes a long time to write a book to analyse material. and she may well have seen this material and thought, wow, this is a bombshell. this is going to make a lot of difference a year off. this may be she had them in our hands. nothing has happened here. after she had them in the hands , stuff she had them in the hands, stuff that kind of may have wanted to keep out for his own reasons has not emerged she then thinks to

herself , this is not right. not emerged she then thinks to herself , this is not right . and herself, this is not right. and so it's a very i with the lady that it's a very a unusual act, a ghost—writer to take very usual indeed . but in this usual indeed. but in this circumstance, i think she may have looked at this and thought this is too. just well, she's weighed up going on. yeah. i think we also have to in mind that , you know, she will have to that, you know, she will have to do some of the heavy lifting if hancock stays to his word and begins legal proceedings and she will sign kind of nda, which have precluded her from revealing information during the course of her work as our ghost—writer having be the ghost—writer having be the ghost—writer myself. and has decided that for the greater good or for whatever reason, that can't second guess the timeline at this why she waited until now. that's for her to decide. although she very clearly said she feared a whitewash and was acting to the highest possible reason. so, she says. but she will have to be.

she will to take a few bullets for this if this goes to the court and that's what we have to at it's on that tip as well and consider why she's done it and should consider she's taking a risk of her own. she must believe the public interest outweighs that. cornell, outweighs all of that. cornell, i tell you, i think that the big is course it's out there now in court, whether she's rapped over the knuckles, whether she's lambasted for doing so . the lambasted for doing so. the genie is out of the bottle. it is out there. no, i think she's taking calculated gamble, because if i looking for a ghost—writer , i would now be ghost—writer, i would now be thinking twice about whether or not engage is about oakeshott because plainly there's a big private connection when you ghost—writers as you were . the ghost—writers as you were. the being a ghost—writer you know a lot of things you talk to a lot of things about what you're going to present, how are you

going to present, how are you going to present them, what's going to present them, what's going to present them, what's going to be the effect of it . i going to be the effect of it. i saw hancock's was fairly open . i saw hancock's was fairly open. i saw hancock's was fairly open. i saw that well, it was . a he sort saw that well, it was. a he sort of put his hand up to a number of put his hand up to a number of things . almost everybody who of things. almost everybody who writes about to be seen as good as large as possible and i can't get away from the fact that at the bottom line a major story was broken in the daily telegraph . yeah yeah, no, telegraph. yeah yeah, no, absolutely. and i don't see it's crux journalism really is supposed to be informing people i'm supposed to be giving people really valuable information . really valuable information. clearly here. now if isabel felt as though she was dealing with a government , a former health government, a former health secretary who were to try to cover up things that the public has a fundamental right know, then i suppose she's actually

just fulfilling a journalist's dufies just fulfilling a journalist's duties and she by revealing this to the nation. yeah i journalists also various roles we all of the time you know they say old saying that newspapers are the first pages of history and being an old fashioned news reporter you know going right back to my days on local papers that you very much felt like that you very much felt like that and if it's true as is suggested by the text that matt hancock rejected the advice of chris whitty about taking testing into homes. then testing into care homes. then that forms very large piece of the mosaic and taking the taking the mosaic and taking the taking the point everybody was a bit kind of unaware of what to do was scrambling to the best way possible. i didn't agree with all the different lockdowns. i think was other quick think it was one other quick point here is that point to make here is that i wonder if the debate be quite as volatile, wasn't hancock volatile, if it wasn't hancock we ourselves that he had we saw for ourselves that he had to because didn't keep to to resign because didn't keep to his and became a you his own rules and became a you know, discredited the know, he discredited the protocols was trying to protocols he was trying to promote so that's when all this promote. so that's when all this is viewed the context of that is viewed in the context of that , it of creates a picture , it sort of creates a picture of own just by the act of

of its own just by by the act of putting pieces together, which is journalism is to is what part of journalism is to you. people the facts on you. give people the facts on the and allow them to the table and allow them to start making of the start making sort of the considered views that . but considered views on that. but basically, all. we're basically, thank you all. we're going i'm going to leave it there. i'm afraid. we could we could afraid. sorry. we could we could on all this all that crap on about all this all that crap we are. but look, thank we'll probably you on again probably have you both on again soon going to soon because he's going to rumble there'll be more rumble on. there'll be more there'll be more. but that was former newspaper editor and media wallace media consultant neil wallace there. and i'm sure i've as there. and i'm sure i've seen as well journalist and broadcaster. so on that as and so we'll you more on that as and when we get it but next so i have got more bad news for arrium in oh they about to arrium in oh they are about to become homeless. yes i'll see you a of minutes .

hello. it's me jacob rees—mogg. tune in tonight at 8 pm. for state of the nation tonight. joining me is former chief brexit negotiator , the lord brexit negotiator, the lord frost , who will give us a taste frost, who will give us a taste of what it was like in the eu's negotiation room . plus, the

negotiation room. plus, the former editor, the sun, kelvin mackenzie , will be here to mackenzie, will be here to provide one of his infamous rants. all that coming up and much more at 8 pm. on state of the nation . well, you're not the nation. well, you're not going to want to miss that show later with jacob rees—mogg right here on, gb news, because, yes, there were of the allegations were out in telegraph were laid out in the telegraph earlier on but it's a case of another day and setback for harry meghan it's been harry and meghan and it's been today that they are going to be evicted from their uk home. and would you believe the king would you believe it? the king offered prince andrew, the offered it to prince andrew, the were frogmore cottage by were given frogmore cottage by the queen as a wedding gift is not a cottage for what worth is absolutely massive. but me now is royal commentator caroline austin. caroline, you very austin. caroline, thank you very much . so harry meghan much. so harry and meghan presumably will be absolutely with rage . here well, we all with rage. here well, we all know that they want their privacy and want to stop looking

at them. will they be angry. well, let's face it, they're really being evicted as such. which has got the most wonderfully dickensian ring to it. hasn't than being driven off into the to waste. but the fact is they've hardly used the expensively renovated frogmore cottage for a long time. in fact princess eugenie was living there and the sussexes are known to visit it her there. but now she was relocated to portugal . she was relocated to portugal. and i suppose you've got a bit of a white elephant here in the pack of royal property cards and yes , the idea that prince andrew yes, the idea that prince andrew to live there instead really vacating from the 30 room far too and badly in need of renovation on royal lodge where he hangs out at the moment. well it all seems to make sense. yeah, it does. but what does this really mean for the relations between king charles and harry going forward? i mean from where i'm sitting, it looks a bit lucky. two fingers up to his well, his whingeing son. well, it certainly then i think certainly does. but then i think his whingeing son stuck more

his whingeing son stuck up more than fingers to this country than two fingers to this country , to the king and to the rest of his family. and i do hope people watching managed watching this have also managed to see some of the wonderful clips from 26 episode two of so we have those two wonderful cartoon versions of what looks suspicious to me, like harry and meghan and his book, which are also not spare, but why? why exactly. and this is just symptomatic of else jeremy clarkson, of course, we're going to be talking about that in a bit as god doesn't see us is going as he wants to be a millionaire shortly after he decided to all in on meghan decided to go all in on meghan there is still a little bit of a koala there, a protected species in quarters . yes, there are in quarters. yes, there are those, of course, who would say that the lampooning now harpooning of the sussexes by south park is actually quite a compliment. and you certainly couldn't say that about jeremy clarkson's perhaps ill advised words about the duchess of

sussex being paraded , the sussex being paraded, the streets, etc. really. of course, he was channelling a very famous scene from a very game of thrones episode , thinking that thrones episode, thinking that people think he was being ill judged and certainly a bit out in today's world where there is so much abuse. yes yeah. caroline, thank you very much . caroline, thank you very much. thank you. caroline asked to knows a royal. right. okay. so all the show i'm afraid people i will speak to a former conservative health minister about matt hancock those what's messages that he sent during the covid pandemic and. i want to get your views on all of this of course i do as well. do you know man called shouldn't just apologise wholeheartedly and disappear forever from public life or is it witch hunt gbviews@gbnews.uk to go anywhere

is just going 5:00 and you are live at five with me. patrick christys right here on gb news and we've got an absolutely action packed final hour. let's get stock straight in, shall we? an absolute shocker . former an absolute shocker. former health secretary today leaked . health secretary today leaked. whatsapp messages appear to show that ignored that matt hancock ignored scientific to have scientific advice to have everyone entering care homes to be tested during the pandemic. he denies the allegations and says that the messages have been but his ghost—writer isabel oakeshott released the private messages. what's she trying to do ? is it ethical or not? and do? is it ethical or not? and frankly , more importantly, we frankly, more importantly, we would argue well actually the would argue as well actually the content of what in them is matt hancock really a dishonest politician and all that can duchess of sussex on the way out it's been reported that king charles is kicking them out of frogmore cottage to offer it, to prince andrew . how will they prince andrew. how will they manage? maybe with another multi—million pound document free deal? why on earth have the

police got involved after a copy of the koran was allegedly damaged in a school in yorkshire ? police have met with people at a local as well to say they've recorded it as a hate incident. the who allegedly brought it into school is as well, supposedly autistic. i mean, what on earth is going on there? is really a massive, is this really a massive, massive? country we massive? what kind of country we living under? should parents lose their benefits if kids bunk off school? if kids go to school , it down to bad, lazy parents or should the kids themselves be blamed? all of that coming your way much, much more gb views gbnews.uk. should hancock apologise. paris lose apologise. and should paris lose their benefits if kids skipped school ? vaiews@gbnews.uk now, school? vaiews@gbnews.uk now, if you had lost a taxi on a sanchez. if you had lost a taxi on a sanchez . patch, i think you sanchez. patch, i think you afternoon. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. police have renewed appeal to the pubuc have renewed appeal to the public for help locating the missing baby of constance marten

and marc gordon . people are and marc gordon. people are being asked to report any suspicious behaviour seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday night. police applied for a 36 hour extension to detain them and they fear the child has come to harm. the newborn's who spent 53 days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. officers sniffer dogs and drones being used to search an area of 90 square miles around brighton, new haven and south downs . the new haven and south downs. the parents of morbidly obese 16 year old girl have been jailed . year old girl have been jailed. gross negligence, manslaughter . gross negligence, manslaughter. the first televised court heanng the first televised court hearing in wales. kayla thetford found dead at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection by extreme obesity at the time of her death. she weighed nearly 23 stone and she had a bmi of 70. her mother admitted the charge and was

jailed for six years. her father , who pled not guilty was sentenced to seven years and six months. justice martin griffiths says kayla was subject to sustained neglect , suffering and sustained neglect, suffering and degradation. she before she died , was prolonged , significant. , was prolonged, significant. this a horrifying case. it's a case of neglect leading to the death of a completely dependent , bedridden , vulnerable, , bedridden, vulnerable, disabled child at the hands of her own . the prime minister over her own. the prime minister over rishi sunak says we must wait. the results of the official inquiry before judging the government's handling the covid pandemic. it comes after the telegraph claimed former secretary matt hancock rejected advice from the chief medical officer to test residents before allowing them to enter a care

home. a spokesperson for mr. hancock says thousands of his whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to create a false story . speaking at pmqs false story. speaking at pmqs labour leader sir keir starmer said some politicians have falsely portrayed themselves as heroes . falsely portrayed themselves as heroes. families falsely portrayed themselves as heroes . families across the heroes. families across the country will look at this and the sight . politicians writing the sight. politicians writing books portraying themselves as heroes or selectively leaking messages will be insulting and ghouush messages will be insulting and ghoulish spectacle for them . at ghoulish spectacle for them. at the heart . ghoulish spectacle for them. at the heart. this ghoulish spectacle for them. at the heart . this is ghoulish spectacle for them. at the heart. this is every ghoulish spectacle for them. at the heart . this is every family the heart. this is every family who make enormous sacrifices for the good of the country or who tragically loved ones . the tragically loved ones. the country deserves better rather than comment on piecemeal of information. i'm sure the agenda will agree me the right way for these things to be looked at is these things to be looked at is the covid inquiry. that's why we've established the covid inquiry he no. will inquiry and he will no. he will know i have. he mentioned know as i have. he has mentioned it times before, that it one or two times before, that he was a lawyer and previous

life. there is a proper process to these things. it an to these things. it is an independent inquiry. to these things. it is an independent inquiry . the greek independent inquiry. the greek transport minister resigned after two trains collided, killing at least 36 people and injuring more 85. the interfet train was carrying over three passengers when it hit a freight train . the city of larissa . the train. the city of larissa. the stationmaster in charge of has been arrested and charged with causing mass deaths through , causing mass deaths through, negligence. firefighters say . negligence. firefighters say. the death toll is expected to rise . labour is calling for rise. labour is calling for victims . the tokyo earthquakes victims. the tokyo earthquakes to be granted uk visas . to be granted uk visas. opposition mps want visa scheme to be available for that have had to flee after quakes struck their country on syria in early february leaving at least 50,000 people dead . teachers are people dead. teachers are striking today in the midlands and eastern regions of england

in a long running dispute over pay - in a long running dispute over pay . it's the second day of pay. it's the second day of regional walkouts by of the national education union affecting 200,000 staff. many schools are either restricting access pupils or fully closed . access pupils or fully closed. mary bousted general secret of the eu, says government is not cooperating . it's a stalemate cooperating. it's a stalemate the moment. the government says won't talk to us until we stop the strikes. we're saying that we can't stop the strikes until they begin to negotiate and, you know, actually start to commit to the substantial negotiations that they're promising us, we can't see. they won't begin negotiate because we want to resolve this issue. and the only way it will be resolved in the end is through negotiation. so we understand they're we call understand why they're delaying . and our telephone delaying. and for our telephone ocean view is hold your breath for this near—miss on what seems a quiet road in west sussex into something a little more dramatic two people on a moped narrowly avoid being hit a train

travelling 70 miles per hour. there it is again. they riding through red flashing lights whilst the barriers were down. police described it as stupidly. reckless behaviour . and i can't reckless behaviour. and i can't say that i disagree . this is gb say that i disagree. this is gb news will bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to . patrick okay . welcome back, everybody. okay. welcome back, everybody. we've got a roaring final hour, so let's get cracking. we're going to start our top story today. going to start our top story today . beware to do anything. today. beware to do anything. i would say. and that is the release of whatsapp messages by the former health secretary, matt hancock during the covid pandemic. whatsapps, pandemic. now, these whatsapps, which by the which have been published by the telegraph, that he telegraph, suggest that he ignored on care home ignored advice on care home testing from chief medical officer chris whitty and that something is important . okay, something is important. okay, there was a lot of fog of going on. getting emails about on. i'm getting emails about

this , patrick. why are we this now, patrick. why are we all bringing this up? we've all let was fog war. let this go. it was fog war. hindsight 2020. i'm hindsight is 2020. i'm sympathetic that. i do sympathetic towards that. i do think the vast majority of the british have moved on from what was a very messy period of. but there the wider point is that there is the wider point is that we were being told of the we were being told all of the restrictions well because restrictions etc. well because we the science. we were guided the science. well, we have a health well, did we have a health secretary here who was deliberately in case not deliberately in this case not guided by the that he could guided by the so that he could hit target , made guided by the so that he could hit target, made him guided by the so that he could hit target , made him good hit a target, made him look good on front page of a newspaper hit a target, made him look good 0|did front page of a newspaper hit a target, made him look good 0|did people)age of a newspaper hit a target, made him look good 0|did people diee of a newspaper hit a target, made him look good 0|did people die as a newspaper hit a target, made him look good 0|did people die as a result3aper hit a target, made him look good 0|did people die as a result ofier ? did people die as a result of that? it's a conversation earlier, minister earlier, health minister helen. what they told the commons that the a limit to the messages give a limit to misleading view of the government's care government's making around care homes during the pandemic. she also stressed the situation in care homes was extremely in the pandemic. of course we know that a spokesperson for matt hancock says the messages were actually to create a false story that he rejected clinical advice on care home testing now yes to wait for all of this stuff to come in the fullness of day there another

element to this which is the if we knew that covid was just ripping through care homes and that pretty much everyone in a care home either had covid or had had covid, then why? and we knew we weren't testing people. they were going in there just for members of the public or people who work. now, why were relatives made to stand on a different side of a window while people with dementia, etc. their final breaths? could they not have just gone and actually had a final moments interaction their loved one. so there is that side of it edwina currie joins me now. he's a former conservative health minister. edwina, thank you very much. right. where on this? right. where are you on this? hancock's stuff? well, i'm not very sympathetic to him now because , you know, he gave all because, you know, he gave all these whatsapp messages to a journalist which is probably a little . i don't think the little. i don't think the telegraph actually is going to get as much out of this as they think they think it's going to be, you know , spread over a be, you know, spread over a number of days, weeks. a bit

like the expenses. scandal in 28, 29. and i don't think it's going to be like that because matt hancock is out and he's not sending in where i have some sympathy is three years ago , sympathy is three years ago, just as covid was starting, we had extremely testing facilities , extremely limited. we wrap them up very quickly and i think matt hancock can take some credit for doing that . but then credit for doing that. but then you've got to choose. you may well be told you should be testing coming out of hospital or care now. yes, or going into care now. yes, indeed. but actually , who are indeed. but actually, who are the priorities, the priority are the priorities, the priority are the staff who are looking after people in hospital and trying to save those lives . that was the save those lives. that was the priority at the time . where do priority at the time. where do you think the public will come down you think they'll down on? do you think they'll look at the 43,256 covid related deaths ? england alone between deaths? england alone between march 2020 and january 2022. and they will look at matt hancock and say, you should have done more to deal with that. or do you think that the public will

look at this and go, we kind of knew this already? hindsight is 2020 and we all just want to move on from this. now, what do reckon the public's going to decide? i think a lot of the pubuc decide? i think a lot of the public will say, look, we recognise that ministers are the time under enormous pressure , time under enormous pressure, did their best. they probably wasn't as good . it could have wasn't as good. it could have been under those pressures . you been under those pressures. you will take decisions will sometimes take decisions that the right ones, that aren't the right ones, which with hindsight which we've all you have done all got. now you have done something differently. i'll give you an i think there was an attempt homes people attempt that care homes people in charge of care homes especially the big ones knew what they were doing . washington what they were doing. washington unreasonable . patrick unreasonable assumption. patrick the chap in is chairman of the care private care home provider had recently been the chairman of the qc care quality commission. you might assume that their homes were going to be well run of going to look people properly and make sure that as far as possible they minimise the chances of infection and there was nothing

like that at in fact one of their homes actually had more than people die. we rather assumed i think that the care home side of things could look after itself . turns out that after itself. turns out that that was a big mistake we lost a large number of people . do you large number of people. do you think that matt hancock is now fair game because he was the visible face of a lot of the covid restriction that affected absolutely every single person in this country. he was also found to have been having a little bit of a fumble with a lady who was not his wife, of course, during the course of this pandemic. on top of that, he has then gone the extra step. he said they're just going quietly into the good night of trying to rehabilitate his pubuc trying to rehabilitate his public by releasing book and going on. i'm a celebrity and i just wonder if you open that door to hey look i want to be re judged now and i want to forgiven and i want to make a lot of money doing so then actually this is fair game. get

it out . well, i'm not sure it out. well, i'm not sure anybody particularly fair game. i think he's made a fool of himself and he made a fool of himself and he made a fool of himself . you know, nobody helped himself. you know, nobody helped himself. you know, nobody helped him do it breaking your own rules . you are trying to rules. you are trying to encourage everybody around rational rules about, keeping social distancing, being caught on camera, doing it, not good. look, patrick. and that's why he has to resign . that's why he's has to resign. that's why he's now on the backbenches . and now on the backbenches. and that's also why he going to be earning his living in a different way, in about two years time. that's said, i think he and the whole team, it wasn't just one person. i think the whole team did their upmost. i think they did their best and bofis think they did their best and boris included, they did their very best. helen wheatley, the who you mentioned actually answer the urgent question this afternoon. i listened to it in parliament and i thought she did a very, very good job. she was nobody is saying everything was perfect. nobody is saying we

couldn't learn from it . but to couldn't learn from it. but to roll the clock back , try and do roll the clock back, try and do things differently is impossible . give them cut them some slack . give them cut them some slack . give them cut them some slack . give them some credit. okay edwina luck. thank you very, very much. edwina curry that always a pleasure talking to you. former minister. you. former health minister. there another sad sign it's there is another sad sign it's the last said. there is one, of course, which is if, if, if it's all there for them. it is if matt hancock did prioritise getting positive about the amount of that he was delivering in the community on a daily bafis in the community on a daily basis hitting his target of hundred thousand a day over , hundred thousand a day over, maybe syphoning off some of those and giving them to care homes if people died as a result of that how angry all or otherwise does that make you? now, i'm aware that people have covid fatigue. long covid, some would say, and just in between and we know that and my next guest who still in the hancock so if i just want to tell you what i've got coming up very quickly because we quickly as well because we aren't going be having quite aren't going to be having quite aren't going to be having quite a discussion about the

a big discussion about the police's, say, police's, some would say, massive overreaction when it came case where came to handling a case where a child brought a into a school that koran was damaged. the police massive issues police then got massive issues with this. they've gone to a local mosque to calm sentiments that were suspended. there's some hate recording been some kind of hate recording been recorded as a result of this. is it a massive overreaction? and do we think and why is it done? is another of batley grammar school type thing. i know that's got a lot of you going. what is it to be delving into the it going to be delving into the facts as well. the harry and meghan might to be made meghan might be about to be made homeless. quite, near homeless. not quite, but near enough. enough for enough. it's good enough for a headune enough. it's good enough for a headline prince andrew headline and prince andrew could come play. frogmore come into play. well, frogmore cottage gifted to cottage could be gifted to andrew by king. charles, there's some controversial we'll some controversial stuff we'll be talking about that. but back now to another controversy, which is hancock, of which is matt hancock, of course. did follow the course. did he follow the science there's science and there's ramifications this because we were lock and key were all kept under lock and key because science because it was following science but himself wasn't but if the bloke himself wasn't following science was following the science he was telling us do, how does that telling us to do, how does that make feel? joining now is make you feel? joining me now is care is nicola care home owner is nicola riches. thank you very riches. nicola thank you very

much. right so when it much. okay. right so when it comes to care home, ring comes to the care home, the ring of did darts ever of steel. okay. did darts ever exist ? never existed . protective exist? never existed. protective ring that matt promised . never ring that matt promised. never existed . we know from providers existed. we know from providers across the country that just didn't happen . and it doesn't didn't happen. and it doesn't come . as a surprise as to what come. as a surprise as to what we've seen today as to what's been leaked out there. the testing wasn't there it wasn't available. we were we were lambs to the slaughter , ultimately in to the slaughter, ultimately in social care . several years ago . social care. several years ago. it's quite emotional for to talk about this today because we've been on the front line. we've been on the front line. we've been fighting this. matt hancock literal lie has lied. he's lied . now he of look , obviously he . now he of look, obviously he obviously says things going to be these things have been doctored etc. how hancock's view he's pretty staunchly . i get he's pretty staunchly. i get what you're saying but they were and obviously gives the other side of that. and time will tell when it comes to the testing.

now just forgive me on this. hope you won't be able to actually educate me about this, because what they were saying was that everyone who was coming out hospital into care out of hospital ward into care homes was tested. that was not really in the really up for discussion in the latest messages. what's the latest messages. what's in the whatsapp messages is that other people care home people going into care home presumably workers or presumably care workers or whoever to come and out whoever had to come in and out of they being given of care homes, they being given tests . we're actually we're or tests. we're actually we're or even people coming out of hospital wards care homes being tested because they weren't then what actually made a difference if we tested the other people do you go me ? it did vary from you go me? it did vary from region to region, but ultimately was a lack of testing that was available for staff for residents coming through into care homes . residents coming through into care homes. if residents coming through into care homes . if the residents coming through into care homes. if the guidance changed so often from march to april we were often informed by media on guidance changes providers couldn't keep up with the guidance they just couldn't do it the test and there was no

there was a lack of testing facilities when we heard about we tested so many thousands a day it didn't happen is it's quite it's quite simple it didn't happen and so we got the guidance that care homes were not to be affected back in march i think or february and still going to be affected it did impact. we cannot the number of people who have lost loved ones throughout this pandemic as you as you to early 42,000 people we lost 3030 residents of our loved ones our care when we should have been protected that protective ring never existed. matt hancock basically lied , it matt hancock basically lied, it did lie , obviously, about does did lie, obviously, about does refute all of that. and we will have to and see when it comes to the testing if they had had the testing that a lot people feel they were promised , would it they were promised, would it actually have made that much a difference because covid was

just ripping through care homes anyway? would it just a token gesture . it would have assisted gesture. it would have assisted it would have helped us to call units, wards , floors within a units, wards, floors within a care . it would have assisted us. care. it would have assisted us. we would have known what we were deaung we would have known what we were dealing with to not test and, to discharge, quite frankly , caused discharge, quite frankly, caused us a massive massive overload in pressure that cause. loss of lives . so we couldn't cope with lives. so we couldn't cope with not the testing available . not the testing available. everything was diverted to the nhs. we know that we can't. we ignore that we did quite frankly deny that that is what happened. nicola given that providers on, the front line knew that was happening and the categorical they happened in in that would have helped . it wasn't just the have helped. it wasn't just the testing, it was about the ppe as well. there was a lack of ppe . well. there was a lack of ppe. suppues well. there was a lack of ppe. supplies were diverted to the nhs again. so is not just about

the testing was about, you know, this mass movement that the ppe and everything else. but yeah, absolutely it would have helped us in light of the fact that all that wasn't happening right. so covid was in care homes , people covid was in care homes, people coming in care homes, people coming in care homes, people coming in, not the nhs. i mean it was, it was rife . okay. in it was, it was rife. okay. in light of the fact that that was known to be the case with hindsight, do think we should have just let relatives be with their loved ones or not? because it doesn't appear to have made any difference whatsoever that they had to stumble on to sheet of glass and not actually hold the hand of someone who may only on weeks to live. you're asking me a question when my uncle was flying, flown to the rolls on his own social background and yet relatives who'd got people dying in care homes were not visiting . i mean, come on, this visiting. i mean, come on, this is not rocket science. we should have had some more guidance . we

have had some more guidance. we should have asked more assistance. we should have been able to risk assess in our own services and let families in through the doors when we couldn't do. there was all couldn't do. and there was all the insurance and everything else. we've all been raising for the last couple of years. yet my uncle was quite clearly plonked in rooms on that. i mean, it makes my blood boil when . i knew makes my blood boil when. i knew while me my families, my staff and residents been through the last few years, the journey we've been through has been horrendous i can't tell you i can't describe it but when matt hancock is sat there saying what he does and goes on tv is the biggest snake in that come that's all i'll say okay nicola thank you very very much and good luck. nicola which is that , is a care home owner clearly passionate, strong views, understandably so. understandably so about latest from matt hancock, the spokesperson for former hancock says in part , these solar says in part, these solar messages have been doctored to create a false that matt rejected clinical advice on care

testing that is flat wrong . on testing that is flat wrong. on april the 14th, matt received a response to his request for advice from the medical officer that testing needed for people going into care homes , which he going into care homes, which he enthusiastically . later enthusiastically accepted. later that day, he convened an operational on delivering testing care homes where he testing to care homes where he was advised it was not currently possible to test everyone entering care homes, which he also mark concluded also accepted. mark concluded that the testing of people leaving hospital for care homes should prioritised because should be prioritised because the higher risks of transmission as possible to . monday as it wasn't possible to. monday everyone into care homes everyone going into care homes got okay that got tested right. okay so that week now we're moving away. i think we will be pleased know think we will be pleased to know from latest matt hancock from the latest matt hancock allegations indeed covid as well but this another important but this is another important story detective story for us, the detective leading hunt for constance leading the hunt for constance marten baby has revealed that police deployed search police have deployed search teams using resource teams using every resource that they can and. the police gave us an this afternoon and an update this afternoon and said officers must consider the baby come to sarah his home. baby has come to sarah his home. constance marten and her partner mark gordon remain in custody on

of gross negligence manslaughter after being held on monday evening they'd be missing for almost two months. well get more about the police strategy in this case. i know that potentially tragic cases gripped the nation . and joining me now the nation. and joining me now is mike neville. he's the former detective chief inspector at scotland yard , also the head of scotland yard, also the head of a missing persons unit in the early 2000. thank you very much for joining me. early 2000. thank you very much for joining me . great to have forjoining me. great to have you on the show. now just some of the outlaws in this case, police are currently searching and incredibly vast landscape for, a very, very for, unfortunately a very, very small individual , a two month small individual, a two month old baby. okay. how they do fear is already come to risk of very, very serious consequences. okay. which makes it difficult . one which makes it difficult. one key way that they might be able to get to the bottom of this and find that baby here. we all hope, of course, is safe and well, as quick as possible will be to get us information directly from these two people who currently in police who are currently in police custody would go about custody. how would you go about doing that well they're being

doing that? well they're being held in custody now. and you can see they're obviously not talking very much because the police must have applied for an extension because after 36 hours, which was this morning, they were about to go to the magistrate's court. they're magistrate's court. so they're obviously sign on obviously being very sign on about personally i would about this. personally i would target the woman because as a mother, you know, maternal . i mother, you know, maternal. i know the lady superintendent has said, look, i'm a mum. please tell us where baby is. i mean, the money looks like a nasty individual. i i think the food bank people said he looked shifty and whatever. i don't . he shifty and whatever. i don't. he would get much out of him. i mean, he was put in jail for quite some time of his life. but my strategy would be use female officers to try and get the information out of the woman and to say you're your mum. where is the baby girl? i was a police officer is incredibly frustrated saying situation for you when you know that every second counts there is a baby out

potentially on its own . goodness potentially on its own. goodness knows what could be happening in. the elements. okay. and every counts. and you've got people that including its mother who are talking to you. that must be hard for you. it is very difficult. and they'll be very skilled, trained investigators being used in this particular female who are sort of trained to deal with sexual offences and the like. family liaison officers, they would be the ones who i would use . i mean, i find who i would use. i mean, i find myself when i run an enforcement unit that women officers see of a different suspect men you get a different suspect men you get a wholly different picture and i would be using the female investigators to try and this information out of one of the picture. one of the sad things about this, though is that i think a little bit of played into this that when they were spotted sort of i imagine a uniformed officer quite an experience went and swooped upon them. would have been far them. it would have been far better if the surveillance would have been them and they have been put on them and they have been put on them and they have back wherever have followed back to wherever they to because may they went to because that may have given additional clues as

to happened . this paul to what's happened. this paul little look actually is little might look actually is a very very interesting point and i would like to expand on that a little bit. presumably it is an argument to say that there a search operation under underway for a missing baby and would it have possibly been prudent for the police to have followed these individuals before swooping? do you think it did , swooping? do you think it did, absolutely. i mean, i'm a crime historian . i spoke about this to historian. i spoke about this to the day with a murder from, you know, 220 years ago where the officers actually and watched and saw the guy carrying body parts then arrested him when parts and then arrested him when they put the last one down. so that takes some explaining it's really a thing to really it's a tough thing to stop. so not moving quite so quickly. think we've quickly. and i just think we've seen this a lot of experienced young who are no doubt doing trying do the best job but it trying to do the best job but it would have been better off if they'd have followed to they'd have been followed to their where perhaps was some

kind or i don't know, kind of details or i don't know, photographs whatever of what photographs or whatever of what they'd done, some clue or maybe even i mean, all we even the child. i mean, all we can hope for is that they've actually deposited the child with someone who's going have with someone who's going to have role he's role for science. and he's actually at let's hope actually looking at let's hope and pray that that's case and pray that that's the case here. yeah. look, my thank you very, very a really very, very much. a really interesting that's actually into what presumably will be taking place as we that is, of place as we speak. that is, of course the case where constance marten mark gordon continue to stand in any way to be questioned by police and police continue to search for a missing two month old baby. two month old baby. thank you. might never . the former detective chief inspector scotland yard and inspector of scotland yard and also crucially the of a missing persons unit in the early 2000. really interesting . that i think really interesting. that i think isn't it a of quite morbid isn't it a kind of quite morbid sense which maybe sense actually which is maybe whether again, whether not the police, again, with hindsight which seems to be talking about hindsight on talking a lot about hindsight on this whether not the this show say whether or not the police waited a police should have waited a little bit longer to see if they actually led them to the baby. but we'll have to

but of course, we'll have to wait, for more detail on wait, see for more detail on that. but moving on, i've that. but next moving on, i've got harry and meghan. got more news. harry and meghan. yes, all they yes, that's right. all they about homeless. i'll about to become homeless. i'll be to.

good afternoon. it's 531. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom have renewed their appeal to the for help in locating missing baby of constance marten . and mark constance marten. and mark gordon. people being asked to report any suspicious behaviour seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday. seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday . police have arrest on monday. police have appued arrest on monday. police have applied for a 36 hour extension to detain them and say they must consider child has come to serious harm . the newborn's serious harm. the newborn's parents who spent three days on the run have been arrested on

suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter. the parents of a morbidly 16 year old girl have been jailed . gross negligence, been jailed. gross negligence, manslaughter in the first televised court hearing in wales . kayla telford was found dead at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from infection caused by extreme at the time of her death. she weighed nearly 23 stone and she had a bmi of 70. her mother admitted the charge and was jailed for six years. her father pled not guilty, was sentenced to seven years and six months . the prime sentenced to seven years and six months. the prime minister sentenced to seven years and six months . the prime minister says months. the prime minister says we must wait for the results of the official inquiry before judging the government's handung judging the government's handling of the covid pandemic. it comes after the telegraph claimed health secretary matt hancock rejected advice from the chief medical officer to test all residents before allowing them to a care home. a spokesman for mr. hancock says of his

whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to a false story . the greek transport story. the greek transport minister has resigned after two trains collided killing at least 36 people and injuring than 85. the intercity train was carrying over hundred passengers when hit a freight train near the city of. a station master in charge of. a station master in charge of signalling has been arrested , charged with causing mass deaths through negligence. firefighters say the death toll is expected to rise . tv online is expected to rise. tv online and crb pass radio , this is gb and crb pass radio, this is gb news. now it's back to patrick christys . christys. oc load coming your way, ladies and gentlemen. and in fact, i'm going to have to be quick and rattle through the lots of it. we're going to talk shortly

anyway the koran and anyway about the koran and why police to want to protect police seem to want to protect it people course, it so much. people of course, went into school and decided the something happens. this particular koran and something happens. this pa and lar koran and something happens. this pa and behold koran and something happens. this pa and behold then koran and something happens. this pa and behold then the oran and something happens. this pa and behold then the police1d lo and behold then the police decide that they're going to look into where it's and there's meetings with muslim leaders and most of of the police seems most of one of the police seems so focussed that i'm always going about or going to talk about whether or not to not parents are actually to blame benefits blame and stuff that benefits cars if kid skydive school is it fault bad parenting. fault of lazy or bad parenting. well are other factors. but before all of is being before all of that is being reported, tv will drop reported, the only tv will drop a clarkson as host if a jeremy clarkson as the host if he to be a millionaire. he wants to be a millionaire. now former gear now the former top gear presenter, series presenter, his next series fronting show is expected to fronting the show is expected to be his last and it follows him crucially this discussion. crucially to this discussion. publishing a controversial article his disdain article outlining his disdain for markle. and in for meghan markle. and in related royal news, the king has also reportedly to evict harry and meghan offered their uk residence frogmore cottage. it's not a cottage to his disgraced brother, prince andrew frogmore cottage. a grade listed ten bedroom property that will go in the grounds of windsor castle in berkshire was a gift to the

royal couple, the late queen. but now the duke , duchess of but now the duke, duchess of sussex, of course, live in california. and let's be honest as they've stuck two as well, they've stuck two fingers to the family fingers up to the royal family pretty start to pretty well, from start to finish since they left. with me now is royal broadcaster helena chard. very chard. helena, thank you very much. with harry much. let's start with harry and meghan to evicted. think meghan to be evicted. i think lot frankly think it's lot of people frankly think it's about time . you know about time time. you know allegedly we've heard the story. i haven't heard where the source has come from but yeah frogmore cottage is to be taken away by king charles and possibly offered to andrew. so i've heard but you know it was a grace and favour cottage i think given by the late queen elizabeth ii they're no longer working royals i think there's probably a lot of back lock here that's not come out and that's what i'm interested to here. i can't believe that king charles would believe that king charles would be so churlish as to just just suddenly take it away . hang on a suddenly take it away. hang on a minute. i mean, is it the is it

king? is it king charles being churlish or actually, is this a response to harry and meghan trashing the royal family unsubstantiated allegations of racism, making the queen and prince philip's lives miserable in their dotage and then on top of that, doing oprah releasing a netflix series and writing a book called where i'm completely with you on that completely . and with you on that completely. and i don't agree with with so much that they've done . but obviously that they've done. but obviously it's just taking right step and i would say there's a lot more into it. i mean, i did also think i mean, obviously, they're not here, they're not working. are they going to be at the coronation? we don't know. it could be that there's some kind of negotiation reference of negotiation on with reference to security. the security will king charles pay for their security when they do come into the uk , if and when , as the uk, if and when, as a result, to take the cottage , if result, to take the cottage, if , you know, is it a way that king charles is cutting back? so

not as much expense upon and just things one on why why why should they have a cottage? it was a gift they've chosen repay that gift by slating the royal family time for one more very quick one. and this is the father, jeremy clarkson appears to have been best by itv . he to have been best by itv. he wants to be a millionaire of course, they will start this up and that his contract and say that while his contract is an end, all of is coming to an end, all of that. but the reality is he another victim of the meghan markle, her party. mean , markle, woke her party. i mean, it another famous it happened to another famous broadcaster. say, earlier broadcaster. didn't say, earlier on set that i out. and on my tv set that i out. and clearly, if you go after meghan markle in any way shape or form you're as far as that you're off as far as that concerned, what do you make of the clarkson accent ? hey, the jeremy clarkson accent? hey, you know jeremy clarkson, i have to say fantastic broadcast journalist, present to all so you name it he's ravi he's etc. and he is below the belt on on lots of occasions there's been lots of occasions there's been lots of occasions there's been lots of problems over the past going back years we can talk about lots of different people,

not just meghan markle . i don't not just meghan markle. i don't know nicholas rose west you know, i could think of lots of others as well . and that's the others as well. and that's the way he he's done. well, until now, we're in a completely different world. you know, it's a very woke world he could put up with certain things. yes. obviously and . the legal side is obviously and. the legal side is kicking in and people don't want to be part of it. kicking in and people don't want to be part of it . amazon prime to be part of it. amazon prime cancelling . he wants to be cancelling. he wants to be a millionaire. you name it we've got the watchdog is investigating looking into his articles i think it's out i just think it's fascinating how much protection harry and meghan are often given the face of it times. at times very, very scruffy allegations that can have huge, long lasting impacts and also sometimes massive cost to the actual british taxpayer. and you think, well someone write something that may be quite a lot of people are thinking, although i do think elements of it were probably bit

too graphic. not you know, does this have any bearing on his job? look, thank you very much. always a child always a pleasure having a child that broadcaster reacting that royal broadcaster reacting to two big stories harry to two big royal stories a harry and meghan and potentially anyway frogmore anyway being from frogmore cottage andrew coming cottage in prince andrew coming in replace him i'll the final in to replace him i'll the final indignity them once and also indignity for them once and also jeremy being in a way jeremy clarkson being in a way by itv and is that anything to with his comments about meghan markle right up to big keep them towards the finish this show off who's to blame when kids play truant michael gove says he's down to the basically should have their benefits cards if their kids don't turn up to school and i want to know as well why earth have police decided to get involved when along with autism brought a crowd into a school in that karen got damaged didn't even got it met with people at a mosque i'm sorry what country were living in. i don't quite know any more gb views. the gbnews.uk is in attack. hello? it's . tune in tonight it's me, jacob. tune in tonight at 8 pm. for state of the nafion at 8 pm. for state of the nation tonight. joining me is

the former chief brexit negotiator , the lord frost, who negotiator, the lord frost, who give us a taste of what it was like in the negotiation room . like in the negotiation room. plus, the former editor of the sun , kelvin mackenzie, will here sun, kelvin mackenzie, will here to provide one of his infamous rants. all that coming up and much more . 8 pm. on state of much more. 8 pm. on state of the nation nation .

welcome back . after his ventures welcome back. after his ventures onto the dance , the latest onto the dance, the latest suggestion from michael gove is that parents of children miss school should have their benefits cut . the levelling up benefits cut. the levelling up secretary said it was time to restore an ethic of responsibility and that's a financial penalty might incentivise powers to stop letting their kids skip school so this is where we are. i've been asking you to write the course the show emails have been

flooding in on this. do you think that parents who let their kids skip school should have the benefits cut? joining me now is ryan chief executive of ryan house is chief executive of conservative think tank bright blue and, devon gailani. he's director of policy and practise. i will start with you , ryan. do i will start with you, ryan. do you think if kids skip school that parents have their benefits 7 that parents have their benefits ? yes, i do . i think, you know ? yes, i do. i think, you know it's the ultimate responsibility of parents to make sure their children are getting a good education. and the evidence of these sorts of conditional cash transfers from government in latin american countries and european countries is that they're quite effective in school attendance rates . and school attendance rates. and that's really what we want children to be benefiting from education. so i do think it's a goodidea. education. so i do think it's a good idea . yeah. devin, do you good idea. yeah. devin, do you think that parents whose , kids think that parents whose, kids skipped school to have that benefit slashed? no, i think it is . we're not in latin america. is. we're not in latin america. i think the vast majority of kids get a great education. if

children aren't going and they need to understand what's stopping from happening. it might be an issue with a family, in which case, how does taking money away that family help money away from that family help . are other . probably there are other routes. work do with routes. and when work we do with the authorities on the front line is that what people need is some help and support to make their behaviour changes. otherwise just putting them deeper into debt, putting them into financial crisis and not doing anything about the source of the problem. what is of the problem. what you is those going into school those kids going into school and taking doesn't necessarily those kids going into school and takingryan doesn't necessarily those kids going into school and takingryan dyou 't necessarily those kids going into school and takingryan dyou respond;arily those kids going into school and takingryan dyou respond to ly help. ryan do you respond to that? not every single that? i mean, not every single parent has been up all night. you know, play an axe box on the strong lager, not look after their some will their kids. some of them will just able to get up, just maybe be able to get up, particularly the needy child, into . would into school. how would you respond that? i don't respond to that? well i don't think being on a very low income, even though really tough for families is an excuse for many families is an excuse for many families is an excuse for not making that your for not making sure that your child to school. in child is going to school. in fact, i think most people on very low incomes would be offended by the assertion somehow being on income somehow being on a low income being stopping being in poverty is stopping them sure their

them from making sure their children school . children are going to school. but, at the end the but, you know, at the end of the day this is about persistent truancy. so if the child is persistently missing school and the parent is the person who is ultimately responsible for making sure that their child goes to school . so i think there goes to school. so i think there should be this this financial penalty . if the if child doesn't penalty. if the if child doesn't go to school. and as i say, this evidence not only in latin america, but in countries that this proven effective at changing behaviour, which is what we want to have . and if it what we want to have. and if it is about persistently, oh i can't actually take it just. to be clear, i wasn't saying for a second that being in poverty is an excuse for i'm saying what doing is you're putting families deeper without of deeper into poverty without of tackling that's tackling the problem that's going that's to solve tackling the problem that's gcwhich that's to solve tackling the problem that's gcwhich isiat's to solve tackling the problem that's gcwhich is helping to solve tackling the problem that's gcwhich is helping they solve tackling the problem that's gcwhich is helping the kidsye tackling the problem that's gcwhich is helping the kids get it which is helping the kids get into school. i think it is a problem. i'll just come because i want to ask you more specific this it is a problem actually this if it is a problem actually of it's not that of truancy. so it's not that some got quite needs some child has got quite needs autism or something that it can impose massive difficulties in the home, of course, and not day

that the parent would necessarily be directly to blame. but you know, weeks it's the time and the kid's not going to school. okay, well, what what else you do? i'm not sure else can you do? i'm not sure that needs help . someone say that needs help. someone say they do need a bit of punishment . they're on benefits . well, i . they're on benefits. well, i wanted to talk about that firstly, just on that first group, you know, there's a huge spike in children not being able to attend . so we've kind of to attend. so we've kind of found that there's a the problem exists and it's gotten much worse after the pandemic. so i think that's the first point to make is this because this didn't exist to the same extent before the pandemic. it is partly pandemic related. i think some the councils are the things that councils are lacking on the front line is support for social workers , for support for social workers, for investment in mental health services, support for that's going to actually help get those children school. that's children to school. and that's what we're is actually a bit more capacity here would help i on the on the wider point are that people who are perhaps deserve that punishment. the thing i would say is it's the

way the way it's been framed i think ryan used the word threat i think he talked about punishment. it's kind of punitive. you actually want punitive. what you actually want to some that helps to get is some effect that helps get child in school. if get the child in school. if social worker says that's what needs to happen, that's separate argument. the education argument. if the education secretary says this is what we need to do on a on large need to do on a on a large scale, that's a completely different that's a completely different. accelerating different. right. accelerating available. just available. yeah. i mean, just one think the benefits one thing. i think the benefits system the generally is system in the uk is generally is generally ungenerous to other european countries when if you come out of work, your income does drop and your so—called rate is very poor. but i think the way get better support for more increased benefit is to make sure that there's more around benefits and that there's more contributory elements . so more contributory elements. so if you've paid more into the system before, you get more out of it. that's the route to getting a more generous social security system. okay, devin, final you i mean, do final word to. you i mean, do you acknowledge that some parents are and not making you acknowledge that some pareitheir'e and not making you acknowledge that some pareitheir kids and not making you acknowledge that some pareitheir kids go nd not making you acknowledge that some

pareitheir kids go to not making you acknowledge that some pareitheir kids go to not meand| sure their kids go to school and it fault? i mean, it is their fault? i mean, i grew up on a council estate. grew up on on a council estate. you did see things like that happen. i think taking money away that family would have away from that family would have made it made a difference. no, it wouldn't think what they wouldn't have. i think what they need help support to need is some help and support to figure what's going and to figure out what's going and to turn lives around. both of turn their lives around. both of you, thank you very much. shaun sweet. we got to the sweet. i think we got to the point that great stuff? point is that great stuff? right. is, of right. right. so that is, of course, chief executive of conservative blue conservative think bright blue and director of and devin gilani, director of policy practise. yes, has policy and practise. yes, it has been. dividing the inbox. we've got we should got and he says yes we should absolutely the absolutely be fighting the parents taxpayer's parents for this the taxpayer's money wasted the end of money is being wasted the end of the day. but of course, some people think is mean people think that is rather mean anyway. right. we back to anyway. right. are we back to the religious oppression? anyway. right. are we back to the offering s oppression? anyway. right. are we back to the offering anppression? anyway. right. are we back to the offering anppressiyon many offering an attack on tolerance after yorkshire tolerance. after west yorkshire police minor police recorded the minor damage, minor of a copy of damage, the minor of a copy of the koran in yorkshire. we're not in some middle eastern country as i hate incidents. a home secretary is well problem and is reported to have expressed her concern in the development. well there's development. well so there's a claiming police and the claiming the police and the school allow themselves school of allow themselves to be by group. they've

by a religious group. they've gone and met with people at mosques apparently. joining now is who's an is dr. sheikh ramsey, who's an imam, the oxford imam, director of the oxford islamic information centre. and was political was it was he's a political commentator. thank you commentator. right thank you very dr. sheikh, i will very much, dr. sheikh, i will start with you . why should the start with you. why should the police they actual police get involved if a copy of a koran is slightly damaged in a school? i secondly , i would have thought secondly, i would have thought the straight it is a condition which have there a yes. the police should get involved. i know many, many people does not get that you're not involved with the police, but two thing we have here, one, the police should have . is there any any should have. is there any any broken law? law has been broken? and secondly , for safeguarding and secondly, for safeguarding the needs for children because if tomorrow, if the next day of that a somebody was stabbing one is one of these children , police is one of these children, police would be asked why you didn't inform me about incident which i

cannot stop . it is very cannot stop. it is very important. is it to side one is a crime happened safe ? the a crime happened safe? the second was a safeguard of four little children. that's a very important it is not every day but based around being takes all is stamped on on the street or owned school we the people first to what example knows but today is something some need tomorrow is something some need tomorrow is a bad need and also i'm sorry to interrupt i am going to interrupt and say now i am going to interrupt because that that even if and i'm certainly not condoning and i wouldn't go around behaving like that but in this country that is not a crime and if you're saying that people the police maybe should get involved to protect the four people who allegedly damage people who allegedly did damage . serious . i would raise serious questions as to why they had to do that was. was it. can do that was. it was it. can i bnng do that was. it was it. can i bring you in now if the protection if the protection because it was adam i'm talking to it was if the protection to was it was if the protection should have towards these

children, did police see children, why did the police see fit go to mosque? fit to go to a mosque? apparently to try to calm tensions? that was going on? well i'm not entirely sure what's going on. as you said in your opening, what's going on. as you said in your opening , this isn't some your opening, this isn't some middle eastern country. it's not afghanistan. it's not iran . afghanistan. it's not iran. don't have blasphemy laws here. and this can i just make this point? the school have concluded that no malicious intent was found when the koran was scuffed. and yet the students have been suspended . a result, have been suspended. a result, this isn't a hate crime . it this isn't a hate crime. it doesn't register as any crime. and police have gone and recorded this as a crime. and then they've gone to the who, what reason, i don't know, to call attention done and quite frankly this is a bigotry of low expectations when . it comes to expectations when. it comes to the muslim community because you don't see the muslim community running up screaming and shouting because a koran has been scoffed at. in fact, it is we disagree to say it is very ,

we disagree to say it is very, very important that the mosque has been told by the police liaise in and the mosque should tell the people that the people which call the muslim do not do anything don't take the law in your hand because they will doing again it may have a consequences which i am very worried for that for children not sort of what i'm putting down for their children because someone take their law in his hand and they are going to do it and we'll soon i say boys too them to everything calm is a very important thing together. but why should they have to do that music? can i bring you in here now? i mean, how close is quiet? respectfully, i'm the muslim community does not have a right to not be offended. no, absolutely. and you absolutely right there, patrick. we do not have the right not to be offended. we live a liberal, free democracy here. and do really well in terms of tolerance. no one goes around banning any kind of religious books in this country. just

books in this country. we just have doing that have a history of doing that sort stuff. and i think what sort of stuff. and i think what the alluding seems the doctor is alluding seems quite because what quite troubling because what he seems be suggesting is things seems to be suggesting is things that we've seen recently in the past, particularly batley grammar school, when a teacher had actually shown a which we know this, we know that's if the police find it's a crime has been happened not this is a very crop we ought to think think about think about that. and again, protection of the children we have to know. and again, i said to all the delivery boys , we the police did delivery boys, we the police did not assault the mosque done wise to call me don and i'm not going to call me don and i'm not going to speak i'm going to come in. i've got to come in because very quickly, very quickly i want yes or no answer to this. dr. sheikh , you think it should be a crime in this country to damage a copy of the koran koran ? if you burn of the koran koran? if you burn it, if there be no. is it taught in this respect is not a matter of class and not a spectrum . a

of class and not a spectrum. a helmet, is it? this is whole my life and many, many of children has been taught in the school, in the mosque . this is your in the mosque. this is your life. this is a god. seems to be god. therefore, we cannot we cannot go on disrespect . not cannot go on disrespect. not only that the of bible did not otherwise abandon everything that for me i know respect is very important. the children has learned how to respect and some old love. but we thank you very much. we could have carried on. but while i can't some outside doctor say ramsey and the director of the islamic information centre was eight was a political commentator. a acas political commentator. i've about 20 seconds for i've got about 20 seconds for the phrase michelle the best phrase michelle dewberry. michel, got dewberry. michel, how you got coming that such coming up? i just find that such a yeah, know, a fascinating. yeah, you know, the muslim do have a right the muslim do not have a right to not offended. we do not live under sharia law. i don't condone kicking books around. no but i mean, come on now . yeah. but i mean, come on now. yeah. all right. well, we haven't got time . please tell me what's time. please tell me what's coming up. so you've got to figure people going figure enough people are going to have to tune in, find out.

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