well, hello there. it's 6:00 and michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through . so 7:00 tonight. have through. so 7:00 tonight. have you seen the telegraph off. oh look at it. if you haven't, you have missed pages and pages and pages. oh taxes, whatsapp, etc. about the lockdowns , the about the lockdowns, the lockdown files. it has been cold. do you care .7 are you in cold. do you care.7 are you in the camp that says it was all done and dusted.7 move on or do you want answers .7 i certainly you want answers? i certainly do. but what says you and jeremy clarkson? did you follow his call on why? we basically said

he hated meghan markle and all the things now it seems that after this season he will not be retired and he wants to be a millionaire. well there's rumours swirling that it is indeed because of that column. is there line when it comes to is there a line when it comes to what we can and cannot say about each other in this society? really, and what consequences should expect ? prince if we should we expect? prince if we say stuff that the people do not like commit ills, what do we like and commit ills, what do we do with them now? apparently there's worries that some of them will be released early because out of because basically we're out of space, prisons then space, build more prisons then is i say. but what says you is what i say. but what says you and happy? david said to you if you want to. indeed welsh i was going to something else, but going to say something else, but quite frankly i can't. my welsh not i be spinning in her not i will be spinning in her grave, nonetheless what do grave, but nonetheless what do you about independence ? you think about independence? support it is a three year support for it is a three year low. wages sit on it. we'll get into all of that and more. but first, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes.

to speed with tonight's latest headlines . michelle, thank you. headlines. michelle, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom police have renewed their appeal to the public for help in locating the missing baby of constance marten and mark gordon . people are being mark gordon. people are being asked to report any suspicious behaviour seen prior to the couple's arrest on monday night. police have applied for a 36 hour extension to detain them and they fear the child has come to serious harm. the newborn's parents who spent 53 days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter . negligence, manslaughter. officers. sniffer dogs and drones are being used to search an area of 90 square miles around brighton, newhaven and the south downs . the parents of the south downs. the parents of a morbidly obese i6 the south downs. the parents of a morbidly obese 16 year old girl have been jailed for gross negligence, manslaughter in the first televised court hearing in wales. kayla telford was found dead at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an insect caused by extreme obesity . at the time of her death , she

. at the time of her death, she weighed nearly 23 stone and she had a bmi of 70. her mother admitted the charge and was jailed for six years. her father, who pled not guilty with sentence to seven years and six months. justice martin griffiths says kayla was subject to sustained neglect , suffering and sustained neglect, suffering and degradation. shakespeare since before she died was prolonged and significant. this was a horrifying case, a case of sister dane's neglect leading to the death of a completely dependent , the death of a completely dependent, bedridden, vulnerable , disabled child at the hands of her own parents. the prime minister says we must wait for the results of an official inquire before judging the government's handling of the covid pandemic. it comes after the telegraph claimed former health secretary matt hancock rejected advice from the chief

medical officer to test all residents before allowing them to enter a care home. a spokesperson for mr. hancock says thousands of his whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to create a false story. speaking at pmqs, labour leader sir keir starmer said some politicians have falsely portrayed themselves as heroes . portrayed themselves as heroes. families across the country will look at this and the sight of politicians writing books, portraying themselves as heroes or selectively leaking messages will be insulting. a ghoulish spectacle for them. the heart of this is every family who make enormous sacrifices for the good of the country , or who of the country, or who tragically lost loved ones . the tragically lost loved ones. the country deserves better. rather than comment on piecemeal bits of information , i'm sure they of information, i'm sure they will generally agree me the right way for these things to be looked at is the covid inquiry. that's why we established the covid inquiry. that's why we established the covid inquiry . and will know. covid inquiry. and he will know. he know as i have, he has

he will know as i have, he has mentioned or times mentioned it, one or two times before, that was a lawyer in before, that he was a lawyer in a previous life. there is a proper process to these things. it is an independent inquiry. the greek transport minister has resigned after two trains collided , killing at least 36 collided, killing at least 36 people and injuring more than 85. the intercity train was carrying over 300 passengers when it hit a freight train near the city of larissa. the stationmaster in charge of signalling has been arrested and charged with causing mass deaths through negligence. firefighters say the death toll is expected to rise . labour is calling for to rise. labour is calling for victims of the turkish earthquakes to be granted temporary uk visas . opposition temporary uk visas. opposition mps want the visa scheme to be available for families that have had to flee after quake struck their country on syria in early february , leaving at least february, leaving at least 50,000 dead. dead teachers went on strike today in the midlands

and eastern regions of england in a long running dispute over pay- in a long running dispute over pay. it's the second day of regional walkout by members of the national education union, affecting 200,000 staff. many schools were either restricted access to pupils awfully close for the day. the union claims it has been excluded from the latest round of pay talks. mary bousted, general secretary of the eu , says the government is the eu, says the government is not cooperate , saying it's a not cooperate, saying it's a stalemate at the moment. the government says it won't talk to us until we stop the strikes. we're saying that we can't stop the strikes until they begin to negotiate and, you know, actually start to commit to this essential negotiations that they're promising us. we can't see why they won't begin negotiations because we want to resolve this. and the only way it be resolved in the end it will be resolved in the end is through negotiation. so we can't why they're can't understand why they're delaying and for our television viewers, hold your breath. this near—miss on what seems a quiet residential road in west sussex,

the littlehampton . it turned the littlehampton. it turned into something a little more dramatic to people on a moped, narrowly avoided being hit by a train travelling 70 miles per hour. train travelling 70 miles per hour . they rode train travelling 70 miles per hour. they rode through red flashing lights whilst the barriers were down. police described it as stupidly reckless behaviour . tv online reckless behaviour. tv online and the abc plus radio. this is gb news. now it's back to dewbs & co . & co. thanks for that, tatiana. well as i said, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till seven alongside me. james woodhouse , alongside me. james woodhouse, then the visiting professor at london's southbank university, and also a philips, the political commentator. good evening to both of you. hello. i'm not seeing for a while. i'm not seeing you for a while. welcome back . also, you know the welcome back. also, you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about those here dewbs about those three here on dewbs & very much about you

& co. it's very much about you at what's on your at home as well. what's on your mind you get in mind tonight so you can get in touch with the gb views gb news .uk is the email. or you can tweet me if that's your thing at gb news. lots of you've been getting in touch already today. the main talking point is how and i have to say, did you see this? if you'll listening and you're not watching, you're thinking, what that rustling? thinking, what is that rustling? it daily telegraph, the it is the daily telegraph, the front hancock rejected, front page, hancock rejected, which is advice on care home test. goes on. ladies and test. and it goes on. ladies and gents, in case you've not seen the physical paper page after page after page after page of this stuff , it's been referred this stuff, it's been referred to actually , as you remember, it to actually, as you remember, it was a 2009 expenses scandal when the telegraph led the way on that. well it's been referred to and it won't stop with today's papen and it won't stop with today's paper. there'll more and more paper. there'll be more and more over next few. will over the next few. it will definitely not stop with today's newspaper . this rumble on newspaper. this will rumble on and on and on. a hundred thousand whatsapp messages apparent only get this full time . i miss the amount of words in war and peace apparently has

been delivered . this was been delivered. this was delivered by the journalists, isabel oakeshott, who goes wrote the book for matt hancock . she's the book for matt hancock. she's decided that the investigation into covid is basically going to go on for god knows how goodness knows how long and she wants this information to in the this information to be in the pubuc this information to be in the public domain so that we can pick her for it and reach our own conclusion . and stuart says, own conclusion. and stuart says, michelle, i do not care about any of this any more. covid is over and i'm getting on with living life. i'm going on living my life. i'm going on houday living my life. i'm going on holiday to benidorm . lots, he holiday to benidorm. lots, he says, and darren says, i was barely interested in any of this at the time, and even less now. tony says. we don't want any excuses unless we want accountability . now, just the accountability. now, just the selection of comments there shows how divided people are on this really . shows how divided people are on this really. so i'm just not interested. so get over it. the people like myself , i think that people like myself, i think that this is absolutely essential information and that we must have answers and then we must have answers and then we must have accountability . where do have accountability. where do you sit? here. i sit with you. i mean, we do need some answers. i

think this show throws up many more questions , not least of all more questions, not least of all matt hancock's questionable judgement . i matt hancock's questionable judgement. i mean, for a start, he's published his own book called the pandemic diaries, whilst he was a sitting mp before the covid inquiry started. there would be some people who might say what an odd choice to have a ghost—writer who is a well—known anti—lockdown campaigner in isabel's , oakeshott . she says anti—lockdown campaigner in she's putting this stuff out there. maybe she felt like a lot of people at the weekend saying that matt hancock is going to set up a tv production company that she thought this man has no shame. perhaps we should bring him account. but being him to account. but being probably would have thought that when what it when it was on what was it called, the jungle thing? well, the celebrity. but i think the more serious that we do more serious point is that we do need know what wrong , need to know what went wrong, but to know quickly . and but we need to know quickly. and the reason we need to know what went wrong so that we don't went wrong is so that we don't make the same mistakes again. but to ten

but we don't want to wait ten years result . i but we don't want to wait ten years result. i mean, years for the result. i mean, sweden had a very minimal lockdown. they had a report, it was published within a year and an 800 page report, which is quite long, but nothing like this will probably be. france is in the middle of its inquiry, so is italy. there are questions that need to be asked because we need to be better prepared. if something like this ever happens again. and the argument is that you'd go on the one hand you'd got boris johnson saying allegedly let the bodies pile up . you'd got chris whitty and .you'd got chris whitty and patrick grant saying shielding doesn't work , but you do need to doesn't work, but you do need to doesn't work, but you do need to do something about care homes you've got from these what's up messages? matt hancock more concerned about headlines and meeting testing targets and meanwhile real people died and real people in care homes were not allowed to have any visitors . was or any of your relatives

impacted by this? i mean the rest of the revelations today focus a lot on care homes. but i've got to say, as joe says, this will rumble on and on. we'll see. lots of interesting things coming out over the coming days. but did you lose a loved one in the round the care home, for example ? if so, how do home, for example? if so, how do you feel today when you see this kind page, etc? james kind of front page, etc? james woodhouse and where you sit? woodhouse and where do you sit? well i'm all accountability. well i'm all for accountability. i start with matt i wouldn't start with matt hancock and the care home scandal. i think for me, rising a little bit above that, if i can try to. the main thing is that in their panic , the that in their panic, the government and all the ministers and the care, home management and the care, home management and the care, home management and the nhs management and pubuc and the nhs management and public health, england completely subordinated themselves to the climate of fear that they created, that the media reinforced and therefore, as you rightly say, joe, matt hancock was driven by the headunes. hancock was driven by the headlines . you can argue that , headlines. you can argue that, you know, it wasn't the government running the state dunng government running the state

during the lockdown crisis , it during the lockdown crisis, it was the state running the government and the media egging on the state. the second thing, michel , that comes out of it, michel, that comes out of it, i think, is the subordination of can to the blairite doctrine of targets. he says himself a ridiculous target of 100,000 track and trace checks and everything. he couldn't make it. he fiddled the books just like stalin did . he fiddled the books just like stalin did. he made sure he fiddled the books just like stalin did . he made sure that stalin did. he made sure that all kinds of bogus tests were included to make the target. and for those who want to say, look, we've all moved on, well, of course we've all moved on. but 40,000 people died in care homes. i don't want to move on from that. you know, it's really serious and it isn't just a matter of the dubious professional practises that you would use, joe, of media, of western star hacks, of westminster politics, actions and all of that. it goes a lot deeper and we really have to reject the target mentality or reject the target mentality or reject the target mentality or reject the climate of fear . and

reject the climate of fear. and one footnote, michel , is the one footnote, michel, is the hong kong for me is notorious for saying how zoom medicine must be the default option . you must be the default option. you know, and one thing we've learned from track and trace in all of this target stuff is it has its many different. well, we didn't politicians do not understand it. we didn't learn anything from track and trace because it didn't work. cost an absolute fortune as did procuring unusable ppe. correct? you know, the billions that we have spent 39 billion on track and trace are absolutely useless. and then we hear hidden in amongst this all, they're not particularly well hidden is the fact that jacob rees—mogg , who fact that jacob rees—mogg, who at the time was a government minister, matt hancock minister, had matt hancock coufier minister, had matt hancock courier attest to his home so that one of his children could be tested and it was then courier to a lab. that was at a time when all the people were waiting because there was a shortage of tests and the

government had had to apologise. another health minister had had to stand up in the commons and apologise. i think the thing is we've got the inquiry going . we've got the inquiry going. baroness hallett, who is chairing it, said today it will not be a whitewash and there will be preliminary findings published. i think the pressure needs to be on that inquiry now to come up with something by the end of the year because her remit is vast. it's about vaccination, track and trace focussed on people in force. and i do i do need to say because i want to my view, as david just said, you guys are basically saying that matt hancock is guilty already. do you just want to bring in a spokesperson for matt hancock said this stolen message is have doctored to message is have been doctored to create a false story that matt rejects . ed clinical advice on rejects. ed clinical advice on care home testing and this is flat wrong it does kind of go on it's quite a long stay much more than that than the testing which is responsible. and it's not all in the government and it's not all about hancock. exactly all about matt hancock. exactly

you saying matt you know, nobody's saying matt hancock is guilty from the hancock is guilty apart from the fact being a complete lacking fact of being a complete lacking in self—awareness behaving in self—awareness and behaving like but you know, like an idiot. but you know, he's he's made his bed and he's lying in it . and that's fine. lying in it. and that's fine. but this isn't just about matt hancock. it's about the government as a whole and how they were dealing and reacting or not reacting to advice that they were given and how they were dealing with the public . i were dealing with the public. i find as i'm watching it, i'm listening to you, too, but also watching the inbox as it's coming in. and i find the split between you guys at home absolutely fascinating and ill, says michelle. there's an ongoing inquiry. shouldn't we instead be focusing our time and energy on getting more people into fixing the real into work and fixing the real issues that we are facing ? yet issues that we are facing? yet another lost in the media another day lost in the media without discussing real issue was i know. what do you think is responsible for many of the things that you refer to? so for example, the fact that we've got many people now out of work, the fact that we've got backlogs,

the fact we've got waiting lists, all these things in my view, my personal view, almost directly links in a conflict sense of the decisions that were made by this government and by the way, supported by the opposition and the media who instead of challenging and interrogating some of this stuff like broadcast, amplifying pulpits in many cases. so you cannot just say it's gone and it's lost focus on today's issues without acknowledging that today's issues are often a very real consequence of what we are currently discussing , hannah are currently discussing, hannah says. michel, the only people that don't care about this obviously didn't lose anyone close during lockdown , she says. close during lockdown, she says. she has lost perf of her parents. i'm really sorry to hear that, she said. they passed away within two weeks, she says. everybody is accountable for this. i completely agree, but lots and lots of you. i would actually say that the majority of the inbox coming in is people

that are saying you don't care, move on, move on. and i. michel, if i may, i mean , we live in if i may, i mean, we live in a time when there's a big factor going on and it's called historical amnesia , when people historical amnesia, when people want to erase the past or fear the future and live in a continuous present, a revise the books, they revise for a while doll and the conception of history as something that's important to us that we create , important to us that we create, that we can make, is dying rapidly on its feet at that moment of historical amnesia, what could be sillier than to forget the conduct of the government and opposition when thousands died, when a climate of fear ruled all over the land? thatis of fear ruled all over the land? that is a real mistake. we need to recover history and every time something terrible happens, we need to learn from it. whether it's the awful grenfell tower fire that has now led to a change in the law and an accountability on local authorities and cladding

manufacturers and building inspectors and new laws coming into or new rastrick actions on who can inspect houses like that . it's also led to a change in leasehold law. it's also led to a lot of pressure on people with leasehold properties who were going to have to pay walloping rate bills for new cladding. so everything is connected . and for everything is connected. and for those people and i agree with you, the lady who you just quoted, you know, you can only say move on. if you were not affected. well, and that says i mean, i have to just it transparency. i didn't lose anyone during covid or because of covid, but i as we all did my life deeply impacts a difficult time for me. when i was pregnant and given birth to my son. and that's where my anger stems from. annette says hindsight is a wonderful thing and a marvellous tool to judge those who we disagree with , and that who we disagree with, and that many people actually were criticising these prolonged

lockdowns throughout , and those lockdowns throughout, and those people were condemned and ridiculed, undermined and criticised. so often this isn't what you call it hindsight. it's not. we were the ones who were called killers. well, remember, there's a lot of blame that was quite wrongly put on care home staff when it is absolutely apparent from this that a lot of infections were coming into care homes from the community because the government had decided not to take the advice of testing people coming into care homes, except those people that were being discharged from hospitals . and i didn't lose anybody ehhen . and i didn't lose anybody either. but my son knows i think people know by now is a paramedic . and i was terrified paramedic. and i was terrified that i was going to lose him working all of our personal lives. it's about democracy . lives. it's about democracy. it's about us as democrats . and it's about us as democrats. and it's appalling. our misdeeds on the ground not making the same mistake again. and it has cost millions and it still is. the legacy which continues today , by legacy which continues today, by the way, because we were terrified as a nation. we were

terrified as a nation. we were terrified . those consequences terrified. those consequences continue to do. many people are still terrified. people are still terrified. people are still behind in their education. people lost jobs. people lost confidence , relationship loved confidence, relationship loved ones. confidence, relationship loved ones . this confidence, relationship loved ones. this isn't confidence, relationship loved ones . this isn't a confidence, relationship loved ones. this isn't a problem of yesterday . this ones. this isn't a problem of yesterday. this is a ones. this isn't a problem of yesterday . this is a current yesterday. this is a current problem and one which continues going forward. i went to a shoe shop, my last little run on this. i went to a shoe shop. now this. i went to a shoe shop. now this is a link i must hear to try to get my child's shoe foot measured for some shoes. and i was told with a straight face by the guy we don't do feet measuring any more. we stopped it because of covid. i mean, what i have no words. i have what i have no words. i have what i have no words. i have what i do. i do, actually, but i have got to move on to a break so i'll keep my words for another section because when i come back, i'll have some more of your thoughts. but i want you to ponder that if you're telling me to move on, don't you care about how life has changed? does it not bother you? give me your thoughts when i come back. i want to have some of your

responses, i also want to responses, but i also want to talk to you about jeremy clarkson. he's not clarkson. apparently he's not going to continue in the future anyway. it's a host who wants to be a millionaire. it's rumoured to be because of the column he wrote about meghan markle. we said and all the said he hated it and all the rest of it. is there a line when it comes to what you can and cannot say about other people? what line? who decides what is that line? who decides that and what should the fans consequences cross consequences be? if you cross it, i'll see you it, tell me and i'll see you into .

coming up on dan wootton tonight with patrick christys . following with patrick christys. following the explosive leak of matt hancock's whatsapp messages dunng hancock's whatsapp messages during lockdown, did the disgraced former health secretary lie to the public about placing a protective ring around care homes? and after these bombshell revelations, should hancock face a criminal investigation for his pandemic failings? join patrick 9 pm. to

11 pm. on . gb news. 11 pm. on. gb news. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. james woodhouse , then the james woodhouse, then the visiting professor at london's southbank university, is alongside me as is joe phillips, alongside me as is joe phillips, a political commons. what does visiting professor mean, by the way? i always mean to ask it out when you're wrong. well it means that i'm not there all the time. in my case, i'm not paid. they ask for the occasional lecture i give it. then i'll go and they ask me back in another 12. so you're a rare special treat for the spirit. i wouldn't put it that way. i like, oh, you can be a visiting, you can be, you know, i'll come up with a interview review analyst. yes, a visiting palace. chris says, michelle, go, yes , again, michelle, you go, yes, again, please. would you give it up? you talk as the only if the you talk as if the only if the uk was only country in the uk was the only country in the to world lock down chris, i don't care what they did in

timbuktu. i don't live there. i'm focusing on what the uk did because that's where we and because that's where we are and this where are feeling this is where we are feeling this is where we are feeling this consequence . so many people this consequence. so many people . les says, michelle, your request for an inquiry is becoming an obsession. what do you get over it and move on? alan says you are all out of order . he did alan says you are all out of order. he did a job, a very difficult job and he did it extremely well. les, as as well. who would want to be a minister in the prime in the pandemic ? in the prime in the pandemic? guys, look, my final word on this. businesses have gone . this. businesses have gone. boss, you've got a mental health crisis in this country. you cannot see a doctor. good luck trying to get into the nhs if you need anything, quite frankly, you know, driving is everything waiting list. this country has broken because of this. surely we deserve to know whether it was all justified . whether it was all justified. was it people losing their jobs, people being told false cajoled into having vaccine after

vaccine after vaccine? you know, i want answers to this. and one of these days, if you're in the other camp, you might come to me and say thank you and i'll say to you, you've been very welcome. right. let's move on, shall we? jeremy clark. and he looks likely not to be present in wants be a millionaire in who wants to be a millionaire after the next season. apparently, got, apparently, itv say they've got, i further commitments i quote, no further commitments with course, you with him. now, of course, you might that wrote might remember that he wrote this about markle this column about meghan markle . hated her. he said . he said he hated her. he said he fantasised about having a paraded through the streets naked with excrement thrown at her, which was apparently a reference to game a france never seen single of it, but seen a single episode of it, but apparently what said. apparently that's what he said. it was some most people saying this is a consequence of this. colin, do you think that there should be a line in what you can say other people public say about other people in public , what's law and who decides , what's the law and who decides and be the and what should be the consequences? in a word, consequences? no, in a word, i mean, people ridicule as a free speech, absolute test. you can't be half pregnant either. you backit be half pregnant either. you back it for people you don't like saying things you don't

like saying things you don't like or you don't back it. in my view, clarkson is no hero. those remarks were extremely tasteless , but he's bang on the nail about the meghan markle circus and i will not forget how liberal leftist taureans like david also and other people went on the bbc and all the guardian loves to defend meghan markle against jeremy clarkson. you know , nobody elected her. she is know, nobody elected her. she is on a leash . showbiz hollywood on a leash. showbiz hollywood circuit and doesn't deserve the support she's got for being apparently black. it's quite outrageous that clarkson should be vilified for his tactless remark . but, be vilified for his tactless remark. but, you be vilified for his tactless remark . but, you know, either we remark. but, you know, either we accept this stuff or we say that you or joe or me should decide you orjoe or me should decide what is acceptable or not. who's going to be elected to do that ? going to be elected to do that? we've got ofcom. they always like to interfere. well, we've got all kinds of regulatory authorities in the newspapers. they like to interfere. we are known around the world. there's

a town called sue because everybody wants a libel action in london, therefore, and faced with all of those facts, we've no choice but to defend a sometimes right wing hate bangen sometimes right wing hate banger. but and an amusing man, jeremy was rolling her eyes. well, i think jeremy clarkson is an extremely good broadcaster . i an extremely good broadcaster. i think he's a very good writer. i think he's a very good writer. i think he's a very good writer. i think he says some absolutely crass things. but i think the real fault with this lies with his editors at the paper. you know, people write things he says and said in an instagram post. apparently usually i read what i've written to someone else before filing , sending it else before filing, sending it to be printed . but i was home to be printed. but i was home alone on that fateful day and in alone on that fateful day and in a hurry. so when i finished, i just press send. and then when the column appeared, the next day, land mine exploded. day, the land mine exploded. now, whether or not you believe that some point there is an editor because the editor's job is to make sure that stuff doesn't go out in the papers, just like here or any other broadcast , to make sure that broadcast, to make sure that we're not libelling somebody , we're not libelling somebody, that we're not telling the truth

, that we're not breaking the law, we're not inciting law, that we're not inciting people to hatred or violence. it was a pretty unpleasant and nasty column . and to then say nasty column. and to then say afterwards that it was alluding to something in game of thrones. well, i've never seen it. you've never seen it. that's too obvious . so never seen it. that's too obvious. so we would never seen it. that's too obvious . so we would have never seen it. that's too obvious. so we would have missed that reference. first favour, free speech. i do. but i think there has to be a, you know , there has to be a, you know, with newspapers and broadcast and i don't i don't agree with everybody having a free for all saying go out and pelt that woman with excrement in the street, whoever she is. that was a joke. yeah. you just you don't think it was actually really? you say it was a corner of a strip market tomorrow. no, but i do think there are people and we all know the consequences of people who get whipped up by other people. you know, we've seen what's happened to david amess. we what happened to amess. we saw what happened to jo and there are people, as jo cox. and there are people, as you michelle, from you well know, michelle, from the comments that we get on this

programme that are pretty hateful and unpleasant, particularly to women . and i particularly to women. and i don't think those things would get published in a newspaper and we wouldn't necessarily you wouldn't read them out on it because they're bad taste. but an mp being stabbed multiple times by a religious fanatic is slightly different . exactly. to slightly different. exactly. to a guy. and by the way, i think what you said was a bit weird, actually, if someone said, oh, i hate michelle and i want to drag backwards naked from the street and pelted with you know, and pelted with poo. you know, i would just say you're a bit of an oddball. you wouldn't bother me way, shape form, me in any way, shape or form, but read that column and but if you read that column and you sit there and think to yourself, oh yeah, well, what i'm do is pick up i'm going to do now is pick up some power and throw in some power and throw it in individual. i just that individual. i just think that you're a stretch. you're making quite a stretch. well, no, no, no. i'm not well, no, no, no, no. i'm not saying you ask me whether i agree with speech and my agree with free speech and my qualification that was yes, qualification for that was yes, but it incites. i'm not but not if it incites. i'm not saying that's what jeremy saying that that's what jeremy clarkson what i'm

clarkson did, but what i'm saying there are broad saying is there are broad behaviours that most grown up civilised people, you know , i civilised people, you know, i don't particularly like hearing people and blinding when i'm sitting on a train. i don't particularly want to see schoolboys looking at on their phones.i schoolboys looking at on their phones. i don't schoolboys looking at on their phones . i don't particularly phones. i don't particularly like threats of violence and i don't, you know, and i can choose what i read and i know that there is a combat, a retribution if somebody was to say something about me that is untrue through libel and slander laws , we are strongly regulated laws, we are strongly regulated as a broadcaster and quite rightly because you know, we have influence, as do newspapers . and i still think that all although jeremy clarkson , you although jeremy clarkson, you know, he's made a very good career out of being a polemicist and being tough and tongue in cheek and sometimes that's, you know, sexist, homophobic , know, sexist, homophobic, misogynist. and he's got into trouble. you can choose to ignore it or not. itv can't ,

ignore it or not. itv can't, because if they've got people who are saying, we won't watch that programme anymore and apparently women refuse to go on the celebrity version . oh, well, the celebrity version. oh, well, that's i'm only i mean, he dresses . i mean, i am a woman dresses. i mean, i am a woman and i do think, you know, i mean, some people, they just they want to wallow in this sort of sara tv's point of view . if of sara tv's point of view. if they've got something that is not popular . they've got something that is not popular. there were they've got something that is not popular . there were 25,000 not popular. there were 25,000 complaints about that column then it's not in their interest to have him here so that it's more important them to be popular than to uphold free speech. it's more important for them to bow to the wishes of 5000 or 25,000 people were to the song and to the to the press . complaints confirmed their entire 25,000 piece. they didn't even read the articles and probably told by some random on social media. they complained over that because they open the tv and made a business decision

. you know, is jeremy clarkson . . you know, is jeremy clarkson. clarkson, you know, a money spinner? is he popular ? maybe spinner? is he popular? maybe his popularity has waned . it his popularity has waned. it doesn't appear to on his farming programme and his other columns , you know. but well with i think from boris after business, what you're saying, joe, is business is right. they made a commercial . it's fine. not good commercial. it's fine. not good for democracy , not free speech. for democracy, not free speech. i think it's a lot of selected selective outrage on in this country because they don't remember this amount of outrage coming out in about example, when someone like joe o'brien joked chucking battery joked about chucking battery acid, nigel acid, for example, at nigel farage level of farage for that level of outrage. gary says outrage. but anyway, gary says michelle, this is my last try. i've been heard by gb news. this doesn't get out. going to go off to another show, of course, he says. we need to lessons says. we need to learn lessons about recent about our past post recent history making someone history. but making someone guilty fair hearing, guilty without fair hearing, especially on the back of information published by someone who's betrayed trust. goodness who's betrayed a trust. goodness me, , you to give it me, gary, if you want to give it out, you, got out, i'll tell you, you've got to, like, a little bit.

to, like, make a little bit. sure. anyway, gary's point is, i always ignore his emails and he thinks, well, if his conclusions are hancock are making about how hancock guilty proven, we don't guilty before proven, we don't know give him know anyway i think we give him the got to stay on now but the he's got to stay on now but we gary we read it. yes we might gary we read it. yes they go ahead writes i'll tell you who going be had as you who was going to be had as well. criminals, perhaps, well. many criminals, perhaps, if out about on the if they get let out about on the streets early because prisons are crowded now, there a risk are crowded now, there is a risk that of them will be that some of them will be released and don't we just released and why don't we just build and keep for in build more and keep them for in longer? i say. what longer? that's what i say. what says i'll see you .

in two. hello there. welcome back to dewbs & co with me. michelle dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry right through till 7:00 tonight. james watt, how is then the visiting professor at london's university london's southbank university and phillips, the political and jo phillips, the political commentator, keep commentator, both keep me company. the justice company. now the justice secretary, dominic says secretary, dominic raab, says get this, everyone, the prisoners might have to be early

because quite frankly, we're running out of room for them already. you might recall a place cells have been authorised , used to be used for prisoners, boats, the jail population apparently grown by 4000 people in the last few , meaning there's in the last few, meaning there's no room , the inn. and i say inn, no room, the inn. and i say inn, by the way, because if you look at these prisons, they are like hotels and holiday camps. if you ask me, as opposed to places of punishment. but anyway, i digress . jeff phillips, what do digress. jeff phillips, what do you make that? i think it's you make of that? i think it's highly that there's highly unlikely that there's going early release, going to be any early release, but you know, again, it but i think you know, again, it goes back to all the delays or massive delays , the courts. that massive delays, the courts. that means there are people being held in remand. means there are people being held in remand . there are people held in remand. there are people who are still waiting for justice. there are still people waiting for a fair hearing, according to these figures, there are 10,000 prisoners waiting to be deported. so what is the delay? we don't know . but is the delay? we don't know. but apparently dominic raab is to hurry that up a bit. there are

many ways to deal with this. it's not a new problem. it comes and goes . but if you start and goes. but if you start crowding more people into prisons, it makes it more of a tinderbox , more likely to be tinderbox, more likely to be unrest and rioting and it's very difficult for the prison officers to contain people in overcrowded prisons . the idea of overcrowded prisons. the idea of building new prisons , well, building new prisons, well, there are some in the pipeline, but of course, nobody wants to put a prison built near them, understandably so. there's planning delays. why? understandable i wouldn't care if there's a prison next to me, because if it's a decent prison, then they're going to blow up. they're not going to get hours. well does it matter? because i don't know what the prisons are that are the process. yes, that are in the process. yes, but got go through the but it's got to go through the planning you know, it planning process. you know, it might of parking, might be a lack of parking, might be a lack of parking, might know, search might be, you know, search lights, knows? but there are lights, who knows? but there are things that could be done. one is to hurry up . things that could be done. one is to hurry up. it was only a couple of weeks ago that dominic raab was writing about the need for prison to be a place to

rehabilitate , help drug addicts rehabilitate, help drug addicts . and there's an awful lot of people who are in prisons who've got drug related problems . and got drug related problems. and actually that's more of a health than a criminal problem . so, you than a criminal problem. so, you know, there needs to be a bit of joined up thinking around here. community sentences need to be and overseen. but we've seen cuts , probation, service backlog cuts, probation, service backlog in the magistrates court. cuts, probation, service backlog in the magistrates court . and i in the magistrates court. and i think if dominic raab is thinking of early release of prisoners 18 months off from an election, he's absolute bonkers date james thoughts. well we're not very good at catching criminals. we got other priorities? i fear . and when we priorities? i fear. and when we do catch them we put in prisons that are not always hotels . that are not always hotels. michel, i'm sure you'll find that plenty are pretty dank and awful good . well, that it's good awful good. well, that it's good to see that. but if they are like that, then good. well, good. providing that the people are really guilty and have not had bad experience with the and

are not innocent and had a bad experience with the highly flawed. and so we're saying, well, hang on, michel, you should prisons really nice should make prisons really nice just in case. the one that is the one that should one go on. i'm favour of building i'm all in favour of building more prisons. can you staff them? that's the first. i'm no liberal on well, you can liberal on that. well, you can recruit staff. course. recruit new staff. of course. you there's lots to say of you can. there's lots to say of course, but a lot of people probably wouldn't want to work in know i wouldn't. in prisons. i know i wouldn't. and shortages are and its staff shortages are endemic sectors in endemic in many sectors in british they can british society. now they can you staff them , can you build you staff them, can you build them faster ? can they think them faster? can they think about modular construction ? about modular construction? because not every cell has to be different. it doesn't have to be in a new prison. it doesn't have to an architectural classic. to be an architectural classic. and we look at i'm and when we look at i'm completely with you, when we at dominic raab's toying with the idea of early release as opposed to deporting quite a number of albanians for a start, not all of them, but some of them are . of them, but some of them are. you know, early release is the long line of least resistance.

it's the line of least responsibility, the line of least expend the chair and so on.and least expend the chair and so on. and as he was hinting from the covid remarks , i'm you know, the covid remarks, i'm you know, it's the line that's going to come back and kick us in the face as bad people who i freely admit populate us prisons and let out when they shouldn't be. we've got an overcrowded , dying we've got an overcrowded, dying crisis. joe knows all the details. we need various swift action and to entertain this idea that our let them out early . forget it. we're too lenient . . forget it. we're too lenient. if you look at some of the sentences for murders or rapes and so on, you're talking three, five years. that stuff like it gets to court. i mean , for rape gets to court. i mean, for rape terrible delays of over a year stephen has been in touch and said michelle i'm all out and then you can in there because quite frankly a would be safer in there and you probably have a better standard of living where you have free meals, free gyms, free tellies, no no free tellies, no bills, no worries . anyway, i'll let you

worries. anyway, i'll let you ponder that. i'm going to a ponder that. i'm going to take a quick when come back, quick break when i come back, i have lots and lots of feedback from you guys on most of the stories that we've been touching upon today. so i will be coming back looking at that and if i can squeeze it in as well, it is st david's day. happy that day. if you are indeed welsh or in wales. so don't go anywhere. see you .

in two. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry , keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, james woodhouse and the visiting professor at london south university and phillips, the political commentator . welcome political commentator. welcome back, everybody . happy send back, everybody. happy send david stay to everyone. all of you, welsh lovelies. i was going to try to say something in welsh, but given that i can barely string a sentence together in english half the time thought myself about

time i thought to myself about and will push my luck anyway. a poll by yougov today, which was published wales online, says published in wales online, says get for get this everyone, support for welsh independ dons is at a three year low. apparently just 18% of people . one thing that 18% of people. one thing that i want you to wait james in favour of that do you think we should do everything we can to keep the united kingdom united or what? well, i'm a union man i very much admire . the history of the much admire. the history of the welsh working class. the miners next up and everything that happened around the first world war, and they were some of the greatest opponents of the first world war. and i love wales. what i know of it, i've been there for too long. that's one thing. play play, come, collapse in support in the wake of the nicola sturgeon trans debacle in scotland it shows that there's no future for welsh independent arts and i hope there's no future for mark drakeford, one of the most repressed i've covid

merchants and still going on with it. and now with this 20 mile an hour speed limits, no new roads in wales and so on, i think what we've got to ask is not whether we should be worried about while welsh independence, it's whether you can actually get to wales in a hurry, you know what, with the trains , the know what, with the trains, the planes, the roads , you know, planes, the roads, you know, it's hard for them to get out. it's hard for us to get in and that's a big threat to the union. that's for the welsh, i think . well rid of clyde come think. well rid of clyde come through. they will be well rid of mark drakeford and the labour party and the tories just not in and probably a good thing . joe and probably a good thing. joe phillips well i think this survey is interesting because it does mirror as james is slightly alluded to, a drop in support for a nationalism in scotland . for a nationalism in scotland. but what it also mirrors exactly the same. it isn't the same as people saying they want to stay

in the union. what's happened, i think, is that since 2016, brexit, then followed by covid, there was a support for independent ones in scotland and wales . and what's happening now wales. and what's happening now is that i think people in this yougov poll shows that the voting to stay in the uk is pretty much the same . so it's pretty much the same. so it's more about how people don't know who they would vote for if there was an election tomorrow. and i think they will say useless. well, that's possible. but, you know , i won't hold to that know, i won't hold to that because if we stop voting, we give up on democracy. but why vote for useless people? if you were running, might be were running, joe, i might be persuaded. enough, persuaded. funnily enough, i did. that was a time did. but that was a long time ago and didn't make it. you ago and i didn't make it. so you weren't there vote for me. weren't there to vote for me. but but think the important but but i think the important and interesting thing is that when the snp and allied come, we had the retail offer of independence. it was very easy for people to go, oh yes, and brexit, i don't like it, whatever . now brexit, i don't like it, whatever. now i think people are thinking, well, what else have

you got to offer? and we'll see what happens when we get to the local elections in may. when you vote , by the way, at the local vote, by the way, at the local elections in may, i've never voted a local election in all my life. i have no intention of starting now. it's really important. i want to crowd a crowd of rascals . we thought in crowd of rascals. we thought in local government. no, no , no, local government. no, no, no, no. we have a local government touches people's lives in a way that westminster doesn't. right? it does. and it is much more accountable. and we to hold this with all the consultation and the surveys that i do before local traffic, network traffic, not all of which they then ignore. well, i'm sure we will discuss this in the run up to may and i'm going to try and persuade to vote get us persuade you to vote to get us to a betterjob than persuade you to vote to get us to a better job than that. to do a betterjob than that. just tell america. i'll be honest. lots of you guys getting touch about prisons as well. touch about the prisons as well. one have just sent me one of you have just sent me a message. is this? janine message. who is this? janine i think you called. you say you live next to a prison in scotland. you forget. it's there. never a peep there. you've never heard a peep there. you've never heard a peep the place. well, we're quite

safe in there, actually. we might there for its if might be there for its games if you got well i hope not. you got there. well i hope not. ihope you got there. well i hope not. i hope like nice quietly in i hope they like nice quietly in the says you talking about the derek says you talking about prisoners be early prisoners be released early michelle they're always released early. do not early. so many people do not serve the time that they are given , he says. it's absolutely given, he says. it's absolutely madness. i completely agree with you, barbara, says. michelle can we just bring back capital punishment, please, for the worst of crimes that would free up some space. cool. blimey barbara. chucking that one in that towards the end show, that will that will on a will definitely that will on a longer debate on a different show i think i have to say. but thatis show i think i have to say. but that is a sentiment that's come through a few places. peter says, michelle, this is my last attempt to tell you will you move on? it's all supposed to encapsulate, say , desperate. it encapsulate, say, desperate. it definitely means business does peter move on? he wants me to stop talking about covid call in. we've been talking about wales collins says. michelle, why are you so full of negativity? please, will you move on about covid now? i

actually pizza and call in and everyone else has asked me to do same. no, i will not. it's not just about the vaccines. it's about democracy. i've only mentioned vaccines. mentioned the vaccines. i'm somewhat fiving somewhat high fiving myself internally for it and managing to do well. somebody else to do it well. somebody else button on democracy people. i mean, don't go back in mean, don't want to go back in the but people were the cycle, but people were forced on their own. you forced to die on their own. you was not allowed go to the was not allowed to go to the funeral your loved your funeral of your loved ones. your children education children had their education disrupted to this disrupted and still do. to this day, lost their day, people lost their businesses, livelihoods, businesses, their livelihoods, their in lots of places their sanity in lots of places alone. and i'm a republican. yeah.i alone. and i'm a republican. yeah. i want to know whether or not it was justified fired. so, no, i will not stop actually, until we get the answers that we deserve anyway , look at the time deserve anyway, look at the time it flies when you have a phone. thank you very much for visiting charles, the visiting professor visiting us tonight . what visiting us tonight. what a treat. thank you very much. charles woodhouse. and thank you very much, joe phillips. don't forget, phillips forget, everyone, joe phillips will be keeping me company in doncaster this want you on budget day . don't forget about budget day. don't forget about that. if you haven't got your tickets, get online and get them

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