good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. police searching for the missing baby of constance marten and mark gordon say the remains of a baby have been found close to where the couple were arrested. martin and gordon had been missing since the 5th of january until their arrest on monday night. police have said the pair remain in custody after an application for a 36 hour extend motion to detain them. the newborn's parents who spend 53 days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter . gross negligence, manslaughter. it's my very sad duty to update this afternoon . police officers

this afternoon. police officers searching a wooded area close to where constance and marc gordon were arrested , discovered the were arrested, discovered the remains of a baby. were arrested, discovered the remains of a baby . a postmortem remains of a baby. a post mortem examination will be held in due course . a crime scene is in course. a crime scene is in place and work at the location is expected to continue for some time . this is an outcome that time. this is an outcome that myself and that many officers who have been part of this search had hoped would not happen. search had hoped would not happen . the parents of happen. the parents of a morbidly obese 16 year old girl have been jailed for gross negligence, manslaughter in the first televised court hearing in wales. kayla tedford was found dead at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection caused by extreme obesity at the time of her death. she weighed nearly 23 stone. she had a bmi of 70. her mother admitted the charge and was jailed for six years. her father, who pled not guilty, was sentenced to seven years and six

months. the prime minister says we must wait for the results of the official inquiry before judging the government handling of the covid pandemic. it comes after the telegraph claimed former health secretary matt hancock rejected advice from the chief medical officer to test all residents before allowing them to enter a care home. a spokesman for mr. hancock says thousands of his whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to create a false story and the duke and duchess of sussex have been asked to vacate their uk residence. that's according to the couple's spokesperson. it comes just weeks after the release of harry's memoir, spare the spokesperson said a request has been made for them to give up their residence at frogmore cottage in windsor. reports have claimed the move was sanctioned by the king. the duke and duchess , the living in duchess, the living in california. after quitting life as working royals in 2022. online and be passed the radio

this is gb news now as i bet the headune this is gb news now as i bet the headline is. hello and welcome to headline as i'm your host simon evans joining me to squeeze all the good news from thursday's newspapers are top story stompers leo kearse and steve and alan. good evening, gentlemen. evening. so let's take a look at tomorrow's front pages. first of all, we start with the daily mail. they have carried kate keller, pilot behind bars as the image we've been waiting for. the telegraph has hancock's rearguard action to shut down schools. picture there with gavin williamson, with whom he clashed in various whatsapp messages . the i. news whatsapp messages. the i. news has uk chickens may get jabs to stop bird flu spread in humans .

stop bird flu spread in humans. how long before we get the whatsapp inside story on that one guardian confidence in covid inquiry hit after leak of hancock's messages the times has an nhs plan to help millions stop using antidepressants and also painkillers . if stop using antidepressants and also painkillers. if you read the subheading and finally, the daily star , can we phone daily star, can we phone a friend please .7 they are friend please? they are anticipating the end of jeremy clarkson on the hot seat for who wants to be a millionaire. so those are your front pages . those are your front pages. so let's kick off with the telegraph. leo who have been dominic eating the news in a manner unseen since the empire's expenses scandal with their little scoop? yes, the good the scoop. i mean it's not it's not that amazing. but because they've got it they're making a big story. so. matt hancock, who's the health sector at the

time, mounted a rearguard action to close schools during during covid. despite sir gavin williamson , who's the education williamson, who's the education secretary, battling tooth and nail to keep the classrooms open . according to these leaked whatsapp messages, the telegraph have got the hands on so this had a huge impact on children. you remember, children weren't really affected by coronavirus, especially, you know, the first variants that came through just didn't everyone under about 35 wasn't really affected. we should still be half of the teaching staff as well, wasn't it? i mean, i did that did occur to me at the time that you could understand if children were taking the thing into school and, you know, most teachers were a reasonably of were in a reasonably sort of good position to fight it off. and seems be and there's there seems to be this the government. this idea within the government. the population were incredibly fearful and worried about their children. people children. i don't think people really i don't think really were. i don't think anybody worries about anybody really worries about their get their children getting get a cold much. they cold that much. they were worried about their children having mental health and having mental health crises and missing of schooling. missing a year of schooling. much about laptops. much more worried about laptops. and that's what we've got. no,

no, we've got and there's a whole generation of kids who haven't re—engaged with haven't really re—engaged with the and we're the school system. and we're seeing consequences seeing the negative consequences of i've got a 15 year of that. now. i've got a 15 year old and sometimes suddenly old and i sometimes suddenly remember that he spent a year sort of on an infant school not long ago. and when he went back , had to wear a mask and so on. and it seems bizarre, but it's been memory holed, i guess, to some you know, this is some extent. you know, this is the same government we're the same government that we're living with. we haven't had a general since and they general election since and they haven't clean i'm haven't been as clean sweep. i'm wondering if matt hancock was was in hock to big teacher. wondering if matt hancock was was in hock to big teacher . so was in hock to big teacher. so because teachers teachers were a year off they love that they weren't that hard to give you. well, this is off the off of my of my phone direct messages. but somebody shared this one something like him saying matt hancock , what a bunch of hancock, what a bunch of absolute i'll say the word is the teaching unions are and gavin williamson says i know they really do just hate work you that was an exchange on

twitter as aurier on the whatsapp messages that humanises them to some extent. did you want to say something? yeah just that this is the first thing that's ever made me have sympathy gavin williamson. sympathy for gavin williamson. i never thought it would happen. and somehow to hear that and yet somehow to hear that that matt hancock mocking that matt hancock was mocking him. was like him. yeah, i mean, this was like it's two mice, it's a fight between two mice, really. mean, both of really. i mean, both of them seem the versions of seem the feeble versions of humans. williamson was humans. but gavin williamson was getting it right and then had to do another u—turn. remember do another u—turn. i remember the period we were mocking the period when we were mocking him all u—turns. him for doing all the u—turns. yeah, it wasn't the source of at least one of them. no, i always think you know, although think that, you know, although it to allow it is very tempting to allow your to flood your system your anger to flood your system when government when you read about government ups. but it's not always obvious who actually to blame. it's who is actually to blame. it's not who has been not always obvious who has been just holding the, you know, just left holding the, you know, the at of the squalling baby at the end of it you and any sort it all, you know, and any sort of especially when you have obviously a fairly unprecedented situation it's situation like this where it's not quite who has the not quite clear who has the hierarchy . you know, normally hierarchy. you know, normally you would know in a school situation, but then you also have a clinical situation and it would be obvious that you're

trying these. and trying to integrate these. and it's important remember it's important to remember you might not know who's to blame, but to blame. let's but someone's to blame. so let's not away from us not let that get away from us and comes and something that comes out there more substantive is the there is more substantive is the matt hancock didn't test people going into care homes then. you know, i think somebody compared it to the mediaeval siege, you know, fire and disease carcases or city walls or who was it who said churchill? who said that lenin was sent into russia like a plague bacillus in a in a train in about 1916, deliberately in order to stir up trouble. i'm in i have some sympathy for releasing the virus in the care homes. it so somebody will instead hit a new home. the long term benefit is the social care challenges , you the social care challenges, you know, and the property crisis and all the rest of it. you can do that. you can do that with a machine gun as well. but this would have alleviated all sorts of potential guilt that people might have felt about using a machine yeah, that's machine gun. the yeah, that's through now steve and through the ai. now steve and chicken story we've gone from

plague one to plague to sequel bird flu. you thought corona was bad. have a look at this uk chickens are going to get jabs to stop the bird flu spreading to stop the bird flu spreading to humans. it's not that at to humans. it's not near that at the moment. a i think that the moment. it's a i think that they've got a tier system and even that gives me the cold sweats, different sweats, but it's different levels. had level levels. not like we had level three is when there's mutations in the bird flu, which means it can from mammal mammal, can go from mammal to mammal, which we need to which already i think we need to rename we've got it wrong. rename it. we've got it wrong. if we're calling it bird flu and it's mixed, there's in the stalls bad as the china stalls as bad as the china virus, the it's underplayed the food birds which is. yeah mean food birds which is. yeah i mean this more sexist thing, this is more of a sexist thing, i yeah there's a story i suppose. yeah there's a story of caught it and of an auto that caught it and died and was autopsied. oh no . died and was autopsied. oh no. the alters and then they can't call it flu i suppose can they. because really because that would be really that probably all that would probably create all sorts unfortunate names sorts of unfortunate names that's probably used as a, as a nickname for a different i don't understand. i mean you wouldn't want to see the sneezing. i don't understand why why laptops. i don't know. i mean if you can get a bit if you can get

an injection that stops it spreading, they didn't manage to come up with one of those for us, did they? yeah. it turned out it also had you feed a vein in a chicken feathers. i know. and they they treat them very badly they're very what's badly and they're very what's the peremptory, the sort the word? peremptory, the sort of know, mean, they do of you know, i mean, they do give them hormones, to give them hormones, i think, to make grow faster, don't make them grow faster, don't they? you could just they? so now you could be just mixed in with that. i don't know. but i can't. i can't see an ongoing health protocol being appued an ongoing health protocol being applied this. applied to a chicken with this. know feeling today? know how you feeling today? distancing chicken. distancing in broiler chicken. so distancing wouldn't . yeah. so distancing wouldn't. yeah. they're all going to start faking bird flu that i really think i need six feet in either direction. what have we got next? there you're having a look at the times those races suella braverman has come out against muslim advocacy groups saying the pursued harmful and dishonest narratives due to political correctness creating a blind spot in which islamist extremists operated under our radar and inside know mainstream groups that are supposed to be there for, you know, the

promotion of muslim rights, which is a man in cage and she blames this she lays the blame, you know, fairly squarely on, you know, fairly squarely on, you know, fairly squarely on, you know, our own security services. she she picks out prevent for a particular criticism for failing to tackle islamist radicalisation and prevent the headlines recently because it said the works of shakespeare . yeah talking yes shakespeare. yeah talking yes minister yeah we're we're far right radical flags you see that and somebody thinks was thinking all those yeah all the care and attention i took to remove all the problematic texts bookshelves before going on zoom calls. yeah. so because, because their security services are so woke. i hate to use that word, but the sort of the gist in hock to social justice and this is to william shawcross report , isn't william shawcross report, isn't it. yeah. this is this the focus on basically centre right commentary. you know, basically basically what we do in this show and said that as much of a risk people building suicide

vests and going into pop concerts i think is quite interesting that this has come. it's not directly connected, but it's come the same time as it's come at the same time as this wakefield outrage with the child being expelled for having scuffed of koran. yeah, i scuffed a copy of koran. yeah, i think people are think a lot of people are currently aware that there is a that there's an amount of pressure being allowed to build. well, not well, there's it's not necessarily expressed necessarily being expressed through i explosives. there's a huge amount asymmetry in the huge amount of asymmetry in the way deal with mean you way we deal with mean you imagine a bible people being outraged over a everybody will be in scuffed i mean is ridiculous i mean should imagine i should imagine there are security service p drag security service and p drag queens into schools and queens to go into schools and wait the bomb the bible. wait the bomb in the bible. let's look at let's just have a quick look at the other they regard as the other what they regard as the other what they regard as the story. nhs plan to the main story. the nhs plan to help millions stop using anti—depressants and also painkillers they are painkillers which they are worried addictive . well, worried can be addictive. well, this is more also, you know , is this is more also, you know, is it to. yeah, i was going it going to. yeah, i was going to say art classes to chip in and say art classes could replace it, which i mean, i'm all for finding things that aren't yes, i'd aren't just the drugs. yes, i'd rather take drugs and sit through art classes, but there must way to depress

must be an easy way to depress me more. so it's interesting that i mean, that she said that. i mean, i sort of this is probably just written hurry, but they written in a hurry, but they seem suggest would that seem to suggest that would that would painkillers such would replace painkillers such as tramadol or codeine being sent musical classes. sent to all musical classes. yeah, help if yeah, because that might help if you you were using you were, if you were using anti—depressant and hadn't quite realised reason you're realised that the reason you're depressed you stay inside, depressed is you stay inside, you you some what do you do nothing, you some what do they call it. doomscrolling. yeah you know, it yeah twitter you know, it doesn't help . yeah, there's, doesn't help. yeah, there's, there's question for. light there's no question for. light and . i mean and anti—depressants. i mean ssri is not not codeine and not not tramadol proper antidepressants are we and they don't actually give the benefits. there's booze and there's a side effects and it's there's a side effects and it's the point is either a third or a half of all adult women are on antidepressants. it's crazy how easy it is to it's because there are also serious side effects to our classes you know, to see your watercolours. what about when you get refused a place in our college that can go really badly wrong for the humanities ? badly wrong for the humanities? the daily star finish off with. they seem to be quite convinced

that jeremy clarkson has has quit his pitch for the for the millionaire. yeah saying he's not getting the contract renewed and it looks like well i actually i say it looks it's pure speculation but why not is the front page of the stuff that it's because of saying something about meghan. i mean the column even apologised for it. oh i even he apologised for it. oh i didn't gag didn't land in didn't that gag didn't land in the wanted but then the way that he wanted but then to this job but there's so to lose this job but there's so many more variables maybe the contract not going to contract was not going to be reached. thought he was reached. never thought he was a great for it, to be honest, great pick for it, to be honest, iused great pick for it, to be honest, i used quite enjoy it with i used to quite enjoy it with talent. i enjoyed it talent. i haven't enjoyed it with and i do quite like with him and i do quite like him, but him when he's him, but i like him when he's able editorialise him able to editorialise i like him when he's writing his columns and he's so and i like watching him in, you know, in a him knee deep in, you know, in a proud field trying to restart diesel tractor put the diesel tractor that he's put the wrong you know that wrong fuel into you know that that's he's not that's amusing. yeah he's not he's host. he's not a game show host. i don't think he is opinions and his character can't really cross and so you're basically a seat filler. you it's waste filler. you know, it's a waste and doesn't need the money. and he doesn't need the money. so yeah, i'm up it. so as so yeah, i'm up for it. so as the join after

the front pages join us after the front pages join us after the break more covid the break for more covid revelations, we will say revelations, which we will say quite into china. we'll quite nicely into china. we'll see couple of minutes .

welcome back to headline is with me, simon jevons , leo h kearse me, simon jevons, leo h kearse and steve and alan. so whose patronage makes it in place? leo telegraph first, not surprisingly of the many revelations to come from this , revelations to come from this, this is among the most enraging i think. yeah, this is hilarious. so english schoolchildren had to wear masks because ministers didn't want a political row with nicola sturgeon extraordinary . they sturgeon extraordinary. they decided devolved parliaments decided the devolved parliaments can set their own covid rules . can set their own covid rules. and obviously that created this arms with the devolved arms race with the devolved parliaments tougher on covid and keeping you see for them westminster. so nicola sturgeon was like, oh, we're going to put masks children and masks in all the children and unfortunately to stop chips

unfortunately not to stop chips in their faces. she wrote on that a while a while ago, but then up with it, boris then to keep up with it, boris johnson to had go along johnson had to had to go along and put mandate masks for and put the mandate masks for four english children, despite engush four english children, despite english chief medical officer chris whitty saying there were no very strong reasons to do so . he had, he made some extraordinary i mean, be extraordinary i mean, i'll be honest with you, i was not terribly impressed by which, although it may have been partly, know, manner and you partly, you know, manner and you know i don't is his how know i don't know is his how like his his presentational skills they lacked drive and energy and verve didn't they. chris whitty there something of the sort of three toed sloth about him, but it was very pubuc about him, but it was very public sector. but yeah, but i mean he said that there's no strong argument for it or no strong argument for it or no strong argument for it or no strong argument against it. so maybe it would be easierjust to maybe it would be easier just to do that. yeah. i mean , i'm like, do that. yeah. i mean, i'm like, come on, this is a this is quite important. yes so like i say, so i'll take my umbrella or not if i'll take my umbrella or not if itake i'll take my umbrella or not if i take it, it doesn't rain . i i take it, it doesn't rain. i don't mind . this is millions of

don't mind. this is millions of children economically extraordinary . yes. i mean, at extraordinary. yes. i mean, at least he was giving the scientific advice and we were told people were following the science. and yes, that's my favourite discipline. so i'm not more annoyed this science. this is just science . yeah. but now is just science. yeah. but now that's basically the facebook, isn't it. i listen to the science and. but stop taking the science and. but stop taking the science name in vain, because now it turns out they just didn't want to look bad in around politicians . didn't want to look bad in around politicians. not didn't want to look bad in around politicians . not wanting around politicians. not wanting to look bad is to be the to look bad is going to be the bottom line of this. yeah, that's yeah and that's the problem. yeah and matt so about his matt hancock is so all about his own away from the own image. so get away from the tv every time he comes back for another interview with and then try look good. yeah it's not try and look good. yeah it's not going work because in your going to work because in your core, good to stop core, you're not good to stop showing who are. over showing us who you are. but over every attempt like. yeah, every attempt to like. yeah, play every attempt to like. yeah, play politics of second play politics and kind of second guess the other guys were guess what the other guys were going it always ends going to do. it always ends badly. so i've got some sympathy here because. nobody wants to look they're look like they're keeping children than children less healthy than scottish . i mean, scottish children does. i mean, that's the parameter you . want

that's the parameter you. want to above it. nobody wants to to be above it. nobody wants to look like they're more more of a psycho than everybody speaking. that's true, steve, staying with the telegraph and the hancock files further evidence that kids were thrown under the bus for the sake of an easy life. part two yeah. meanwhile, in whatsapp , knew that there , the government knew that there was robust rationale was no robust rationale to include children in the rule of six. even these phrases bring me back in the cold sweats. remember the rule of six? so it's similar to the rest of them. it's all about how the government more government looks. they're more worried their image than worried about their image than anything so rule anything else. so the rule limited the number of people anything else. so the rule limitcouldz number of people anything else. so the rule limitcould gatherer of people anything else. so the rule limitcould gather in of people anything else. so the rule limitcould gather in one eople anything else. so the rule limitcould gather in one place. that could gather in one place. but kids and but if you include kids and you've a few kids, that's you've got a few kids, that's it. you shut down straightaway. yeah they it. you shut down straightaway. yeaian they it. you shut down straightaway. yeaian exemption they it. you shut down straightaway. yeaian exemption for they it. you shut down straightaway. yeaian exemption for this. 1ey it. you shut down straightaway. yeaian exemption for this. so had an exemption for this. so actually we could have been chasing to look as good as other parts of but for some parts of the uk, but for some reason this one no. helen whiteley saying whiteley sent a message saying that to lose loosen that she wanted to lose loosen it tier one tiers a matt it in tier one tiers a matt hancock again was saying that they didn't want to move on this. they didn't want to move on it. that's interesting.

again, it feels like it's a messaging thing. it feels like it was kind of they didn't want to look if they were to look as if they were dhhenng to look as if they were dithering a week or they'd had to re—examine evidence. yes, to re—examine the evidence. yes, they're part they're in a different part of they're in a different part of the communication. they say it's about easier communication, easier of easier to communicate it rule of six, saying does not six, rather than saying does not kids. i think we not. that's kids. i think we can not. that's cheap oh i have cheap to understand. oh i have a tiny bit kitchen for roller coaster. yeah you know i have a tiny bit of sympathy with that. there people who there are some people who struggle know , it was struggle with, you know, it was to this subordinate to to be this subordinate to deserve or any week they were likely to have had five or six kids as well . and even worse , kids as well. and even worse, how they come to be able to have a policy that there's no robust rationale for. but just because it's easier to communicate, i mean, i can see how nice germany happened. yeah, it's like, well , this terrible idea, but , this is a terrible idea, but it's easy to communicate. well, there element that wasn't there was an element that wasn't there. if you have any jewish blood and you were told it's out, know, and had out, you know, and they had a similar thing in america, of course, they that course, where they got that policy drop rule, policy from the one drop rule, which still used to day, which is still used to this day,

if any blood, as the if you have any blood, as the term would have been then that you were tainted by it. and it is extraordinary how that can just who just appeal to people who are trying set up a trying to become it set up a little tyranny. yeah because it just it just simplifies everything and everyone goes , everything and everyone goes, oh, well, that's the rule. then i guess , you know, there's no i guess, you know, there's no room for you. find that in your own and our own lives. we always know when there seems be a little bit little bit of little bit of little bit of room for negotiation, a bit of for negotiation, a little bit of wriggle but i mean, try wriggle room, but i mean, try and into work for around 10 and get into work for around 10 am, 25. exactly however, in this case, not good china now . this case, not good china now. leo and evidence months ago that we right about the source of the pandemic on this show is that despite headlines and gb news being being as conspiracy theories seriously serious. the fbiand theories seriously serious. the fbi and the fbi to be fair they are pretty good conspiracy theorists as well. yeah. yeah yeah.i theorists as well. yeah. yeah yeah. i mean, we're not dealing with who show who show or even

who shot j.r. here. but the fbi believe that covid 19 originated in a chinese controlled government lab . and so those , government lab. and so those, according to the director of the fbi , it is the fbi for some. no fbi, it is the fbi for some. no sense that the origins of the pandemic are slightly a potential lab incident in wuhan and you know, that's that's what i thought as well . and i was i i thought as well. and i was i was called a far right extremist conspiracy theorist, all the rest the real conspiracy around the wuhan lab leak, which is which idea quashed which was the idea was quashed in wing media and, you in the left wing media and, you know, checkers and know, fact checkers and everybody no, this is this everybody said, no, this is this is a right wing conspiracy. the real conspiracy is that 27 scientists letter in scientists signed a letter in the which used to be the lancet, which used to be a respected medical publication, saying the wuhan lab leak theory had no justification. there's no bafis had no justification. there's no basis or evidence for it. they all had connections to the lab. they were all, to some extent, in the pit , the chinese in the pit, the chinese government, and obviously pushing this their own false narrative. that is actual narrative. that is an actual conspiracy. that's not true. and the world organisation the world health organisation seem well, seem implicated as well, including it was his name,

including it was in his name, tedros, whose line suddenly went dead when he was asked, follow up. i mean , one step up. so yeah, i mean, one step away from just holding and turning . oh extraordinary. i one turning. oh extraordinary. i one thing that needs addressing here is the term comes up regularly. they resist that with low comfort that the pandemic is likely to have stemmed from a laboratory leak and some people going well, you know, so they don't know who. the point is. they're saying it's tilted away from 5050. yeah in the direction of the lab leak as you guys hear the thing. so it's still considerably more likely that it's a lab leak than that. it's the obvious thing. they just haven't. we mean, we may never know because obviously the chinese are very ap chinese government are very ap but the in the but early on in the in the pandemic, the new york post ran a about a lab technicians. a story about a lab technicians. the lab selling the cadavers of the animals. yeah. to basically butchers at the wet market, which i mean, obviously is a way for to get into into us for viruses to get into into us because, you know, but they did

that. i mean this that would be that. i mean this that would be that would be a smoking gun. and that would be a smoking gun. and that that would be a hot that was that would be a hot garment. yeah. smoking pangolin. i quote. this is the i love this quote. this is the response from the chinese foreign ministry. leak is foreign ministry. a lab leak is extremely , and that's extremely unlikely, and that's the authoritative scientific conclusion reached by a joint team of experts , china and the team of experts, china and the w.h.o. team of experts, china and the who. they visited related labs w.h.o. they visited related labs and had deep exchanges with scientists and research about the kind of sweat and right do. oh, we had a serious. did you leak it? did you okay then. well animal in that safe but i just going to say need to make sure that we don't let this convince too many people on the internet because you shouldn't have the thought going. well, if this is right, must right about right, i must be right about everything. think about it. everything. i think about it. but is danger, but that is the danger, of course, of them trying to present everyone who has a perfectly reasonable question and them blocked and even of getting them blocked , abandoned. people thrown , abandoned. people were thrown off . yes, food kind of off twitter. yes, food kind of thing , saying, i don't know. it thing, saying, i don't know. it

seems odd to me that this outbreak should occur within cycling of the cycling distance. yeah of the world's number one viral. you know , investigation youtube know, investigation youtube channel was demonetised for mentioning it so yeah basically basically these the guardian all made loads of money. steve, back to the telegraph and dastardly chinese authorities are up to their tricks again, this time suppressing dissent, though not at with tanks. beijing impersonated foreign journal to spy impersonated foreign journal to spy on chinese activists so they can do our accents. yes so apparently they pretended to be apparently they pretended to be a bureau chief and a reporter from reuters. do you think they did like? sort of dick van ? oh, did like? sort of dick van? oh, well, shoot this of a protest . well, shoot this of a protest. and then i'd say, who heard that and thought this checks out . but and thought this checks out. but it was online and it was through writing and stuff. i mean, there's another way of writing this headline, which is spies did spying. yeah. it's not that shocking, is it? you know, it's not shocking. that by not that shocking. and that by chinese it's fairly chinese standards, it's fairly route one. and we know for a

fact , say for a fact it's fairly fact, say for a fact it's fairly well established that putin has a team , a department, which not a team, a department, which not only spies on on protesters and activists. it creates then it sets up units and hires them so that they know exactly how they've come together. and he uses them to attract potential dissident beliefs . and also, dissident beliefs. and also, it's part of the security apparatus, spies on the other parts of the security apparatus. so nobody can, you know, foment a sort of coup against them. and to be fair, that's pretty much what to happen in carre what used to happen in le carre novels country as well. novels in this country as well. i don't i mean, if you're going to set up a spy, this is this is fairly there's fairly straight. yeah. there's no . this no balloons involved. this really you very really is, as you say, very basic. they is an online scam. they pretended to be on social media, catfished. media, so they got catfished. and and find out people and to try and find out people who organising china's the who were organising china's the catfish. part two is over. catfish. yeah part two is over. join us after the break with stories about tik tok. that's the chinese up to it again. youtube and something called see you in a couple of minutes.

and welcome back to our headliners, steve, over to you now with the times. and imagine, if you will, world in which the government had to pay science fiction writers to imagine possible futuristic scenarios that they should plan for. you'd have to imagine it because it's real. this is not twilight zone. yes, sci fi writers have been drafted in by the ministry of defence to imagine filled with a third world war economy. but they come with eight stories easy jobs. yeah, i mean, this is the science and technology laboratory is i they a pair laboratory is i they got a pair of writers in for four eight futuristic world, futuristic visions of the world, including cyborgs, soldiers post petroleum war. essentially they somehow used all money to commission their own netflix mini series . fantastic. commission their own netflix mini series. fantastic. i commission their own netflix mini series . fantastic. i have mini series. fantastic. i have nothing but respect for the

writers who managed to win their way into this scenario . it's way into this scenario. it's a nice little to have their names or any of the books they've written. i can give you some of the actual names of the writers . yeah. i couldn't find them in the course of the story i had to look through and i couldn't find them. but anyway. but it goes through some of the stories that they've written for them. i mean, fi writers do mean, look, sci fi writers do get right. the point get stuff right. and the point of this is the guesswork, which is what it is of sci fi writers. sometimes it's on the money. famously us famously office clerk gave us geostationary yes, geostationary satellites. yes, someone else to do the someone else had to do the tncky someone else had to do the tricky of one. i tricky bit of building one. i think think he had pretty think he i think he had a pretty good of the internet about good idea of the internet about 20 before bowie, 20 years before david bowie, even. this. yeah, even. but, but also this. yeah, yeah. at the same time yeah. but at the same time they've also guessed loads of stuff that's wrong. i remember watching tomorrow's world in the eighties they robots eighties where they had robots playing somehow playing snooker, yet somehow 2023 it manually 2023 and i'm playing it manually like a caveman. yeah, but famously other one famously there was the other one about computers will about better computers will change everything, but in the next years probably next ten years they'll probably be every town. yeah be one in every town. yeah a huge one. everything miniaturised . and it's the thing

miniaturised. and it's the thing that got away from them in that period. oh my point with period. but i. oh my point with this is you don't need to pay them. there already them. there are already thousands of books which imagines scenarios which it would perfectly useful and would be perfectly useful and plausible a good use of the plausible and a good use of the government's or a department's time to sort of you know, blown through their brief through and just but their brief was be more realistic than was to be more realistic than just writing, which includes one with troops with these british troops that were drugs to were arms containing drugs to enhance performance, enhance their performance, allowing skate at 30 allowing them to skate at 30 miles an hour and have contact lenses flash up messages lenses that flash up messages from i thought you from team—mates. i thought you were realistic. were saying be realistic. and then plastic on ice. then they use plastic on ice. they have that story, and then the that they have the punchline is that they have like world one football like the world war one football match end of the year, match at the end of the year, something and nevertheless, do you fi holds the you think sci fi holds the answer ? no, no , i think it can. answer? no, no, i think it can. i think it can provoke and trigger interesting conversations. and i don't think it's a bad idea to have ideas. there's a place called the santa fe institute, which is been my dream retirement plan. it's basically it's like a university, but it's all coffee

shops, essentially. there's no labs. shops, essentially. there's no labs . it's just people hanging labs. it's just people hanging out chatting and talking. out and chatting and talking. and writer called cormac and a writer called cormac mccarthy, know him? he wrote mccarthy, you know him? he wrote the and yeah. a number the road and yeah. and a number of quite grisly westerns . he he of quite grisly westerns. he he was then writer in residence for a number of years that he became fascinated by such things as why dreams can reveal truths that are hidden from you yourself. why would your subconscious hide something and then reveal it to you in a dream which has happenedin you in a dream which has happened in scientific inquiry itself? so anyway, he was quite useful. i think , you know, a useful. i think, you know, a benign presence. i think there's something to it. but this feels a little ago. does . it a little ago. it does. it doesn't embody the need to do it. sure other stuff to it. i'm sure that other stuff to be paying attention to anyway. leo talk funny. leo the star. now talk funny. take of the sinister take a note of the sinister sound draining away that sound of time draining away that is captured within their very name. i'll tik—tok users name. so i'll tik—tok users under the age of 18 will automatically be given a new 60 minutes screen time limit on the app minutes screen time limit on the app in the next few weeks, and parents will have to

parents will have access to additional controls. i'm not really they've done it. really sure why they've done it. i it'll bad for their i mean, it'll be bad for their business. be less business. they'll be less adverts front of western adverts in front of western news and also be less degeneracy and confusion within the minds confusion soon within the minds of western youth, which is exactly what tik tok is there to do. of course, is follows on from story that actually from a story that we've actually we're but about we're not covering, but about china spending on poor russian propaganda . and this is this is propaganda. and this is this is part of it. this is this part of the way to destabilise the west. the other ways they do is through fenton. the majority of fentanyl is manufactured in china, into drugs in china, then goes into drugs in the makes heroin cheaper , the west, makes heroin cheaper, and also more fancy fare that is that's how we won the 19th century against china. so i suppose, know, goes suppose, you know, what goes around some around comes around to some extent, there's less the extent, but there's less the excuse. excuse people excuse. that's the excuse people say but we did both say for anything but we did both things. we did specific really do that one thing. i was not ready to do the bad things and so i don't feel like a designer of bad things to happen to me if that's possibly to i don't know about the i don't know why

they've done but guess is they've done it. but my guess is because see which way because they can see which way the wind is blowing and they want look responsible want to look responsible because. isn't because. it obviously isn't good for their government for them and their government bans to be banned bans tiktok's going to be banned on devices the on government devices. the european of european union and a thing of the countries will the western countries will follow suit and in america they're looking banning they're looking at banning tiktok , i think tiktok outright, i think in canada well, possibly . i canada as well, possibly. i don't that that matters, don't know that that matters, particularly. i think it's quite interesting that i think we may have mentioned this before, but i suppose watches i don't suppose everyone watches every in china every single program in china itself. tok is used itself. tik tok is used very differently. have of differently. they have sort of informational. yeah but recipes. yeah, yes , they their version of yeah, yes, they their version of the app is a different app. yeah. right. so you can't compare it at all. yeah, i know. i know. but the way i mean it's i know. but the way i mean it's i found it as well. i don't have tik tok uploaded on my phone. i never visit knowingly but sometimes there's a video on twitter that somebody posted and i play it. and when i'm trying to close it instead, my thumb does wrong thing and like does the wrong thing and like subscribes . i does the wrong thing and like subscribes. i don't does the wrong thing and like subscribes . i don't want to. he subscribes. i don't want to. he opens the next video and knows it come from, you know, your own

audience. you've got a dating device . so staying standing with device. so staying standing with the sinister side of social media, the guardian have a headune media, the guardian have a headline that involves the words chilled run and harvesting , chilled run and harvesting, which is never a good yeah in comparison. this isn't too bad. this is data harvesting . if you this is data harvesting. if you have to pick one duncan, which can sit on youtube for harvesting the data of uk children breaking this new age of proper iot design code . and of proper iot design code. and so he's from this child group of five rights, which i think they make burgers and they are taking this issue because you should be doing this. but also youtube said they're not doing this. youtube has system . i mean, youtube has a system. i mean, most things on online, most of the version of the the social media version of the internet isn't for people under 13. you're not meant to be using it, there's no real policing it, but there's no real policing . if you go to members . if you just go to members world. there was a there was a big scandal. it might've been before but they before gb news but they discovered there was sort discovered that there was sort of on youtube the way of content on youtube the way that one video automatically leads next one the leads onto the next one the

young would off young people would start off watching legitimate episode of watching a legitimate episode of peppa and 20 videos. later peppa pig and 20 videos. later they'd be watching some really weird , quite disturbing, sort weird, quite disturbing, sort of, i don't know, badly created. not not like did it not like or something, but just something in which weird mash of peppa pig episodes have been put together or drag queen stuff. if, if, if children there's somebody in america logged on to youtube as a child started watching cartoons and it started offering all this gender ideas logie queer theory stuff you know blokes in wigs i find it just bad it when you're trying to watch if you don't press right buttons but sticks videos later i think . stuff of peppa pig as a i think. stuff of peppa pig as a pun leo mayo now advice i think anyone who enters the gb news building should probably pay attention to you as it says. are you risk of being cancelled then? yep i was actually . but it then? yep i was actually. but it says everybody's at risk of being taken to task and publicly ousted . we make certain ousted. we make certain mistakes, especially if we have

a no holds barred approach to voicing our bold opinions online . so it says, you know, while being cancelled can be good. it can get you get, you know, notoriety. you get your fame and followers and people make a career out of it that can backfire. i mean, katie hopkins was was , you know, over was was, you know, over cancelled and lost this her cancelled and then lost this her her her column and other avenues some social media and laurence fox who, you know, just voiced apparently reasonable opinions on on question time, his acting career taken away from him. i mean, it was it's sort of like living in the soviet union. will no show that what we've got to say is a lie, but we've got to see it just too. i mean, i was talking to somebody in the music industry and was saying, you industry and i was saying, you know, can't like my tweets know, they can't like my tweets because they get appropriate. yeah. yeah. so yeah. for liking them. yeah. so we've got to see what we we've all got to see what we know is a lie. just just to not be underneath it all, whether, you know, there's black markets and we're all, you know, doing ourselves vicariously and in dark underground rooms where nobody there are

nobody can see us. there are people, think, who who do people, i think, who who do deliberate to sort of push push against it rather than just simply speaking their truth and the torpedoes or whatever the term is. you know, occasionally you see people, you're just thinking, why are you why are you doing that? well clearly trying to attract some sort of weird attention . but it's it is weird attention. but it's it is absolutely not those i don't have any interest in those people are trying to play some kind of media and that kind of media game and that usually badly just as it usually ends badly just as it just as it did for diana. it's people. i mean, i remember one of earliest ones was of the very earliest ones was that it was a chemist, i think from imperial college who would he an address foreign he gave an address in a foreign conference some joke conference and made some joke about difficulties of about the difficulties of coeducational of being coeducational labs, of being distracted by young women. you know, when he was trying to concentrate on and it was called out by an american journalist and was it is this ten year and he was it is this ten year ship and everything can this was a years ago but these are a few years ago but these are the kind of cancellations that i think everyone be worried about, not much like pop star not not so much like pop star deliberately , you no

deliberately, you know, no success, something outrageous, something that goes too far , i something that goes too far, i think. you're seeing, think. i mean, you're seeing, you people see deliver you know, people see deliver really to really outrageous things to deliver really cancelled, deliver really get cancelled, make of it. i mean, make a career out of it. i mean, i think think the mainstream i think i think the mainstream media deliberately obvious media says deliberately obvious lies we saw with liberation lies when we saw with liberation bryson being sentenced to transgender women, isla bryson is sentenced and that's not trans women provoking you to speak the truth . so this was one speak the truth. so this was one interesting thing as well said what i think it was interesting you said this is the chap talking somebody ignite which is a it's basically a pr agency a damaged limitation specialist to have there's money have realise there's money in this to kill citizen member of this to kill a citizen member of the it says in many the society if it says in many cases it can be seen as justice, if someone was found to be sexist, racist , if someone was found to be sexist, racist, homophobic or physically, emotionally or sexually abusive, then that person cancelled can be person getting cancelled can be seen justified . i think even seen as justified. i think even that's kind of slightly sinister. i mean , you can cancel sinister. i mean, you can cancel them on a personal level. of course, if i've discovered their friend, add views or opinions or

like you had behaved badly in a certain way, i decide do want to see them again, but i still don't think it's entirely necessarily. if somebody is homophobic , does that mean homophobic, does that mean they're not suited for a certain job? well it's also the difference of how you act on that first moment. if you see something you disagree with, you could reply, let's pretend it's twitter. well, to that tweet with saying disagree because twitter. well, to that tweet wi'this|ying disagree because twitter. well, to that tweet wi'this .ing disagree because twitter. well, to that tweet wi'this . there's;agree because twitter. well, to that tweet wi'this . there's alsoe because twitter. well, to that tweet wi'this . there's also abecause twitter. well, to that tweet wi'this . there's also a move ;e of this. there's also a move that will replying, saying to that will be replying, saying to next person who books them, you're people like this. you're booking people like this. yeah, yeah. thing is to yeah, yeah. brit, thing is to get removed. so get people's work removed. so that would be the other day somebody adelaide somebody tagged the adelaide fringe fringe on fringe in the brighton fringe on twitter where are you twitter said where are you following and following this bigot? and then followed you know , thereby followed me, you know, thereby implying, i'm implying, you know, i'm not going be to do the way of going be able to do the way of don't do the break fringe anyway, but good for you, steve. back the telegraph now. back to the telegraph now. before further before the break, not further revelation about hancock revelation about matt hancock unless your children unless of course, your children want up in for world want to dress up as in for world book well, he wrote book. book day. well, he wrote a book. he journalists. i'm not he did the journalists. i'm not sure they're still friends. sure if they're still friends. him culture is affecting him cancel culture is affecting world book day. look, my kid's

not for me to know not old enough for me to know about this. i would have dress him but apparently world him up, but apparently world book have to dress book day means you have to dress your as character a your child as a character from a book. remember, however book. i do remember, however many ago when the biggest many years ago when the biggest of was 50 shades of the year was 50 shades terrible again. but when asking for school leavers , i mean, it for a school leavers, i mean, it was so many harry potter, it was ridiculous it's quite ridiculous because it's quite easy. glasses and the easy. the brown glasses and the know david bowie . that of know the david bowie. that of course be one example. course would be one example. i guess roald dahl's character is another. yeah, and that's the thing. there are thing. they point out there are certain that you can't certain things that you can't dress children as because dress your children as because it's problematic sombrero no blackface very much presuming no did a gig last night where the dress is a tuxedo and look like james bond and i to remove all of the racism from the material. but yeah is a big on big list of things that you can't dress your kid as. i mean i'd say just go as if your favourite character from your favourite religious text. could text. yeah well what could possibly winnie the possibly go wrong. winnie the pooh. be a one pooh. that would be a good one to through the schools asking to go through the schools asking the off. those are the the bottom off. those are the schools system red t—shirt . how schools system red t—shirt. how the schools actually putting the

ban , the schools actually ban, the schools actually banning certain books list is i mean the article just more things that would get you in trouble . it's just i things that would get you in trouble . it'sjust i don't trouble. it's just i don't i don't think it would i think i think a lot of this culture war stuff just happens. and, you know, on twitter. and then if you actually go go to school you actually go to go to school dresses and simple and preferably away preferably like i think get away with pretty much everything including potter. that's including harry potter. that's him section. trust him for this section. trust me, if red wine, you want if you drink red wine, you want to for the next get to be here for the next get cheeseboard ready. we'll see you in a couple minutes.

it knows at home. welcome back to headline this live metro. now if ever there was a story that was just giving people what they want to hear. yes. so is a leading british scientist, epidemiologist, professor spector says we should aim to

thousands of different types of red wine. so improve our health a wide range of varieties, boost the immune system fights diseases and even improves mental health. and it has nothing to do with the fact that he's just opened an awful licence. so he says, don't more than half a bottle of wine or , than half a bottle of wine or, it'll have negative impacts, presumably from being drunk . presumably from being drunk. that's the only bit of that advice i can take any issue with to the don't drink less than half a bottle you don't drink . half a bottle you don't drink. yeah yeah i mean, surely the more you drink , the healthier more you drink, the healthier you get. absolutely i mean, why does he want us to stop just when. we're getting better. yeah, i think he's interesting, though. this guy tim spoke to my wife aware of several wife is aware of and several people have mentioning people have started mentioning his was trying to his name. i was trying to remember some product remember there's some product i think selling, but he think he is selling, but he hasn't it in this over hasn't mentioned it in this over pills. that is when i think it is one of these gut biome type things. like it's like it things. it's like it's like it is like you mentioned echo or whatever, as said, whatever, but as you said, as were in break,

were discussing in the break, the that, you know, the trouble is that, you know, people lots of interesting people want lots of interesting gut. but the truth is most of the things that really have the substantial are substantial quantities are pretty disgusting. oh yeah. i interviewed a doctor once. he was saying, actually, you could just, and just, like, lick a toilet and you'd get very mixture of you'd get a very mixture of bacteria. body fights off bacteria. your body fights off the ones, you get all the the bad ones, you get all the good ones. but he wants be a toilet seat. i spoke to somebody. i wish i could remember it was. it might remember who it was. it might come i think it's come back to me. i think it's a i think it's a father of light from the school. something he has got daughter who's whose has got a daughter who's whose poo has been identified as particularly beneficial, expelled and so and so. she sells it now . it's put into sells it now. it's put into little capsules that can take as a the poo transplant. yeah. yeah. and you swallow it like it's like those little sort of cellulose capsules that you get things in from holding them. but there's something tasting or doesn't your stomach acid just kill the bugs and stuff how kill all the bugs and stuff how they know i don't know exactly how that works. so i i how that works. so i mean, i assume do i don't know maybe it is maybe cell maybe the is maybe the cell maybe the capsule is powerful enough to

get gut first. well get into your gut first. well it's like the fantastic voyage. something for sure , my friend. something for sure, my friend. the show paul says the we get faecal transplants from sitting on transport so other on public transport so other people's poop articles go up and interest and that would be such good sales pitch from tfl tfl guardian. now stephen as they might have said 280 million years ago, see it later pollinator. yep so this'll won't take long to cover this one. scientists discovered a fossil, possibly the oldest potential pollinator . they possibly the oldest potential pollinator. they found this earwig like insects that was covered in pollen. so either it goes around pollinating things or it just had this time with some bees, it's difficult to know. nearly 200 million years ago. problem with this ago. the problem with this stories. i love the science get me but it's just about me wrong, but it's just about degree. we already know the old things found and is things were found and this is older. is a lot. this is older. this is a lot. this is several if hundreds several tens of if not hundreds of hundred million. earlier that. than we thought it that. yeah. than we thought it was imagine scale was but still imagine that scale but pollination is disgusting because pollination is this flower ripe that's absolutely

daily. sure. now, leo, quickly moving through these stories, operating somewhat above my pay grade daily. so here i suspect as they attempt to cover the latest attempt to integrate human to machine intelligence. so a group scientists of so a group of scientists of developing called developing something called organoid intelligence, which uses human brain cells, is uses real human brain cells, is powerful. biologic computers. so we're reaching the limits of what's with microchips. they're looking at human cells to looking at human brain cells to make, know , really make, you know, really good, smart computer, probably. well, given that science is probably not, i do have some i mean, i think there's some justification for filling enthusiasm about man and machine coming together. right. you know, the likes like 20 years ago, chess, computer started beating humans. yeah and then it really took off the best. chess computers now have a massively above, but we can walk over and kick the chess computer .even over and kick the chess computer . even better yet, the best chess playing organism a cyborg, a man and machine together will beat the best chess computer . beat the best chess computer. right? so even the best chess

computer is made slightly better if it has a bloke with it. not just like looking smart. you know what sort of people kick in the blood out anyway? steve male now i'm really shooting through these finally a jack i do a week although not sure i had a mini me oh china but this has had a stroke of no courtney has since moved. it's not in london anymore. it's moved out to essex. accents do this, but you won't find it in london as much. i guess if looking for an i guess if you're looking for an accent in london, who owns the property? so russian. but now it's out more to essex. it's moved out more to essex. i love some the examples they love some of the examples they give for cockney rhyming slang. yeah curry yeah ruby murray for curry donald was in the donald and it was in one of the top four and it said to do that one list, it pot of one in that list, it pot of copper , right? butland stopper copper, right? butland stopper yeah that's nonsense but oh bottles is that's well oh you're losing your . yeah. you know what losing your. yeah. you know what i saw . bottle and glass. yeah i saw. bottle and glass. yeah slowly. yeah. and then that's why you also say your iris which a bit like us but is not just a

mispronunciation of us, it's , mispronunciation of us, it's, it's a double, double. yeah. i use it on the list. there was one about jug as in jugs of beer is . i one about jug as in jugs of beer is. i know one about jug as in jugs of beer is . i know because if you one about jug as in jugs of beer is. i know because if you made a noise like a nice jugs . yeah but noise like a nice jugs. yeah but if you're sat there on a park bench woman walks past the you say, look at the jugs on that. yeah it's going to be the mandatory as are you going to be something . finally a daily something else. finally a daily story in the daily slug and snail that will divide the nafion snail that will divide the nation between of the council and haters of bmw drivers. so bmw owner has been fined £650 after disabled b was painted around his car. hard to me this is class his class government. this is just so subtle operatic has gone along . he probably has gone along. he probably drives a nissan micra jesus bmw and has decided to paint it was actually can't do that it was parked there for several weeks they say and they put signs out.

they mate. we're going to take this is going to be you going to be you're going to be stuck. and he didn't come back being allowed to park for several weeks. it's not a you weeks. it's not a crime. you shouldn't to, we should shouldn't have to, we should say, too under say, before anyone too hot under the collar, council have the collar, the council have agreed refund everything except the first price. yeah, right yeah, yeah. i would care yeah, yeah. and i would care more the whole story. i don't , more the whole story. i don't, you know, we've got to move on. it's show nearly over, so it's the show is nearly over, so take let's take another quick look at thursday's front pages the daily mail has carried kate keller behind bars. keller up behind bars. the telegraph hancock's rearguard action shut down schools. the news uk chickens may get jabs to stop bird flu spreading humans guardian confidence in inquiry hit after leak of hancock's messages. the times with an nhs plan to help millions stop using antidepressants and painkillers and finally the daily star we find a friend please that the end of jeremy clarkson hosting millionaire possibly those who have front pages that's all we

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