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bombshell revelations, should hancock face a criminal investigation for his pandemic failings ? join patrick 9 pm. to failings? join patrick 9 pm. to 11 pm. on . 11 pm. on. gb news. well, a very major leak of matthew hancock's. what message is casting? great doubt over some of his judgement ? i don't some of his judgement? i don't like the way it's all been leaked, but is it time for the truth? why? we yet had an inquiry. a government inquiry released as many other european countries have will do, which is revealed. through what revealed. we'll go through what was said at windsor and what the european union saying. it european union is saying. it will what is actually will work out what is actually true . we'll the isle of true. we'll go to the isle of man some very brave man where some very brave parents against parents are standing up against real poison that taught to real poison that was taught to ii olds. anthony lloyd will 11 year olds. anthony lloyd will join on talking points. but join me on talking points. but before all of that, let's get many is what tatiana sanchez .

many is what tatiana sanchez. nigel thank you. this is the latest from the gb news room. some breaking news to bring you. the remains have been found in the search for the two month old baby of constance marten and mark gordon. detective superintend and lewis bashford gave an update from the metropolitan police just now. well earlier on, the police appued well earlier on, the police applied for a 36 hour extension to constance and mark gordon. they said they feared the child had come to serious harm. and we've now found out that breaking news that the remains has been found while the newborn's parents who spend 53 days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter. we'll bring you more as we get it . the parents of a morbidly it. the parents of a morbidly obese i6 it. the parents of a morbidly obese 16 year old girl have been jailed for negligence. manslaughter in the first televised court hearing in wales. kayla telford was found

dead at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection caused by extreme obesity. at the time of her death, she weighed nearly 23 stone and she had a bmi of 70. her mother admitted the charge and was jailed for six years. her father , who pled not guilty, her father, who pled not guilty, was sentenced to seven years and six months . the prime minister six months. the prime minister says we must wait for the results of the official inquiry before judging the government's handung before judging the government's handling of the covid pandemic. it comes after the telegraph claimed former health secretary matt hancock rejected advice from the chief medical officer to test all residents before allowing them to enter a care home. a spokesperson for mr. hancock says thousands of his whatsapp messages have been stolen and doctored to create a false story . the greek transport false story. the greek transport minister has resigned after to trains collided, killing at least 36 people and injuring

more than 85. the intercity train was carrying over 300 passengers when it hit a freight train near the city of larissa , train near the city of larissa, a station master in of signalling has been arrested and charged with causing mass deaths through negligence. five fighters say the death toll is expected to rise late . labour is expected to rise late. labour is calling for victims of the turkish earthquakes to be granted uk visas . opposition mps granted uk visas. opposition mps want the visa scheme to be available for families that have had to flee after quake struck their country and syria in early february, leaving at least 50,000 dead . and for our 50,000 dead. and for our television viewers, hold your breath for this near miss on what seems a quiet residential road in west sussex. tens into something a little more dramatic . two people on a moped narrowly avoid being hit by a train travelling 70 miles per hour. they were riding through red flashing lights whilst the barriers were down. police

described it as stupidly reckless behaviour . tv online reckless behaviour. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. that was back to the crash . that was back to the crash. good evening. so matt hancock went to a journalist called isabel oakeshott to write his pandemic memoirs. he gave her 100,000 whatsapp messages , 2.3 100,000 whatsapp messages, 2.3 million words, and they covered everything from what happened in the pandemic to constituency business personal matters , business to personal matters, some of which, of course, could evoke a rather wide interest . evoke a rather wide interest. little did he know that isabel oakeshott would give those diaries. if you want to call them that, give those messages or sell those messages. i'm not sure which to the daily telegraph. now, i may not like the way that this has been done, i don't like the way this has

been done, but there is one very good thing. we are beginning to learn things about very fundamental decisions that were taken by government on our behalf with virtually no consultation during that extra ordinary period. and tomorrow , ordinary period. and tomorrow, those big telegraph lead will all be about why kids in schools were quite unnecessarily and wrongly. i think to wear face masks. so expect this to rumble on much as the expenses scandal did. ten years ago. but here's the point. none of this should need to happen because we are owed a full and open government inquiry into what went right and what went wrong. other european countries have managed to deliver their reports already. for some reason we haven't got there yet. i'm going to try and find out why in just a moment. so is it time for the truth? because i think it is. let me know your view, farage at gb news dot uk . now the allegations news dot uk. now the allegations are that matt hancock quite wilfully did not allow people

coming from the community into care homes to be tested to see whether they had covid a remember up to about 20,000 people died in those care homes in the early months of the pandemic . it in the early months of the pandemic. it is said he was faulconer on reaching target of 100,000 people a day to be tested, but going way back yet to april 20, 20, he did meet the target by putting about 40,000 tests in the post. i have to say at the time my disregard for him as a human being, given that level of cynicism , knew level of cynicism, knew virtually no bounds. but to be fair , matt hancock's team have fair, matt hancock's team have today said this and it's important that we do hear something from him. they say these stolen messages have been doctored to create a full story that matt rejected, clinical advice on care, home testing . advice on care, home testing. this is wrong. on april the 14th. matt received a response to his request for advice from the chief medical officer, saying that testing and he goes on to say he was advised it was

not currently possible to test everyone entering the care homes. that is a defence that has been given by hancock's team this evening and in the interests of balance i write that, i read that out. either way , something went horrendously way, something went horrendously wrong. and we're not getting anything from official inquiry. well, one man who persistently , well, one man who persistently, annoyingly, i think for government asked questions all the way through the coronavirus pandemic is sir christopher jope . conservative member of for parliament christchurch . how do parliament christchurch. how do you respond, sir christopher, to the initial headlines that people were being put into care homes from the community without any testing at all? well, that's that's those are the facts. and i asked to matt hancock in may of 2020 about the situation of care home managers , those who care home managers, those who had refused to take in patients from hospital until, had refused to take in patients from hospital until , they'd been from hospital until, they'd been tested. and i asked him if he

would congratulate them because by so doing, they saved the lives of many of their residents. and i'm afraid he couldn't bring himself to say that he did congratulate them. he said all very he said it's all a very difficult question. yeah so even then he was hedging his bets and almost thinking more important to discharge people from hospitals without thinking about the welfare of the people in the care the power the care homes, the power the government took upon itself dunng government took upon itself during the pandemic was totally extraordinary, wasn't it? it was without precedent and totally unnecessary, as well, because we have something called the civil contingencies and the government could have done everything it wanted to under that act . the wanted to under that act. the only difference would have been that it would have been subject to proper parliamentary scrutiny and they would have to have and they would have had to have been assessment, an impact been an assessment, an impact assessment of the actions that were and those actions were taking. and those actions would have had to have been proportionate , particularly. and proportionate, particularly. and particularly taking into account issues around , personal, liberty

issues around, personal, liberty . and if those discussions had taken place in the house of commons against those criteria , commons against those criteria, then i don't think we would be in the mess that we're in now because the house of would have been able to scrutinise what so why did our elected members of parliament vote for the coronavirus act , get rid of coronavirus act, get rid of their own powers of scrutiny and allow government to do what they like? why well, because they were sleepwalking into this. they were. they were. i think pressured. but i think, sadly, that too few people in the house of commons who realised that the role of the house of commons is to scrutinise everything, even an emergency and we had the powers to scrutinise those and we didn't use them. and i mean went along with having a lockdown for the first few weeks because i, i bought into the idea that the hospitals weren't in a to state with it. but thereafter i was against any further lockdowns , i was against further lockdowns, i was against the mask and all the rest of it.

and i think a lot more of my colleagues would have been in similar frame of mind if been presented with the facts. but of course, we weren't allowed to have no. and we are getting the facts. all the european countries have done their reports, reached their conclusions. attempting conclusions. they're attempting to lessons for the future to learn lessons for the future . the swedes are particularly smug i think not go along touted achieved a better result less harm . when are we going to get harm. when are we going to get what are we going to get an official inquiry? going official inquiry? when are going to what really to find out what really happened? do we to get happened? or do we have to get it all through leaks? well, i think if we want to get soon, we're going to have to bypass the because. inquiry the inquiry because. the inquiry is such a long scale that is on such a long scale that when are we going to get any results? although it's been put into separate modules and there's a possibility that some might be interim report on some of those modules. i think we should for that and that should press for that and that that may give some earlier results on some of the some the key issues. but will you promise our viewers and listeners that you will go back into that

chamber and jolly kick chamber and jolly well kick punch whatever you can do punch and do whatever you can do to some this released to get some of this released slowly? that's what i'm here for. good. thank you very much indeed what was, indeed for joining us. what was, of the homes of course, the care homes that felt the all of this. and felt the full all of this. and i'm by simon who's i'm joined by simon walls, who's clinical lead at and celia's nursing home in scarborough . nursing home in scarborough. simon, good evening . are you are simon, good evening. are you are you shocked by the revelations that the daily telegraph put out today, or is this much what you would have expected? to be honest, nigel it's what we've suspected from , the start. suspected from, the start. i mean, you can go back to prior to april . i know this has been to april. i know this has been from airport prior that from march where i couldn't a test for a resident a suspect involving covid for looking at money from anywhere. yeah yeah. yeah. and did you i mean, what happenedin yeah. and did you i mean, what happened in your home? did you suffer with people coming into your particular care home who were covid positive ? we did, were covid positive? we did, nigel. we a resident that came

out of the hospital that wasn't tested prior to any test and the exact person i was talking about trying to get hold of a test in the following ten days, we had seven deaths, which i suspect probably six out of the seven could be attributed to covid and yet. simon isn't it astonishing that, you know, we're learning as a wider public things that you have known an experi firsthand with learning about this from leaks not from a proper full official government inquiry is outrageous, isn't it 7 inquiry is outrageous, isn't it ? well, i think it's an absolutely . i ? well, i think it's an absolutely. i think ? well, i think it's an absolutely . i think that it's absolutely. i think that it's a slap in the face to all the residents, to their families , to residents, to their families, to people who've lost people, not only in care homes and hospitals and the like. and it's just we knew this pandemic was coming. we knew we could see sweeping across nations, across regardless of age or anything.

there was nothing in there that would say it would affect people more than most. we knew the people we were looking after were the people most at risk and. nothing was done and there was little help, very little advice , very little guidance , advice, very little guidance, too little too late . but in that too little too late. but in that regard , as i say, i don't regard, as i say, i don't approve of the manner of these leaks. but in that regard, perhaps if we're learning things that we might have to wait a very long time for in the inquiry, perhaps that is on balance, a good thing. what's doneis balance, a good thing. what's done is done. can't bring people back in your care, home or elsewhere . but there is, i elsewhere. but there is, i think, one very important thing that we learn lessons for any future kind of major flu outbreak pandemic. do you think we're in a position yet in your sector, your key sector, to have learnt anything ? i think as learnt anything? i think as a sector now we have learned a lot . we learned how to manage far quicker than government were

given the given the guidelines as to what we should and shouldn't do. we learned hardware and sadly that's not really the way to go about . i really the way to go about. i know that there was a decision to the government group that were there to tackle pandemics , were there to tackle pandemics, serious illnesses and virus , serious illnesses and virus, because it was expected to come at some point in december to the actual covid commencing and coming over to this country. i think something that all we ever ask from our staff is that they're true for their honest. and if made a mistake that they hold the hands off. and this is something sadly we are seeing from the government. we are and i do expect to really see the whole and true truth . what whole and true truth. what i have to say, simon, was i rather share that. and i think perhaps the biggest anger of all is that we know big mistakes were made and yet nobody is being held to account, which is awful. thank for coming on and sharing your your sad story of happened in your sad story of happened in

your care. i can can all highly unsatisfactory in a moment. we'll do a rishi revealed what he said at windsor and then we're going to tell you what the european union have said in their document. we're going to find that a 50 tradition has been maintained ever since harold wilson came back from brussels with a deal. we find that what british prime minister say , what really happens can be say, what really happens can be rather different .

so you'll . is it time we were so you'll. is it time we were told the truth ? richard says on told the truth? richard says on ppe contracts . lord bethell was ppe contracts. lord bethell was forced to delete his whatsapp due to a lack space on his phone. either matt hancock had a much bigger phone the lord bethell all, or basil had more than 100,000 messages on his

phone. than 100,000 messages on his phone . richard there were lots phone. richard there were lots of accusations flying around about ppe. undoubtedly some of them. true, but we will ask lord bethell directly for his explanation . we do try to be explanation. we do try to be fair , kamlesh says. matt hancock fair, kamlesh says. matt hancock needs to be brought to justice. many people died through his incompetence. and i do feel people do need to be held to account. but this should not be happening through leaks. we should already have an official pubuc should already have an official public inquiry into what actually happened. what are they afraid of? what is it they're trying to cover ? because that's trying to cover? because that's the feeling that i get . i get the feeling that i get. i get from dame. 10,000 messages leaked this all very col variant. nick says this government has proven it's inept. no wonder our eu trade dealis inept. no wonder our eu trade deal is such a mess. nigel, we've gone from having an academic like thatcher to having academic like thatcher to having a pm like boris who was said to have percentage and

probabilities explained him by disgraced dominic cummings and finally says assuming that it takes 30 seconds to write and send a message that's thousand minutes, 833 hours or 34 days, continually on whatsapp. does anyone else find that little bit odd? well i don't actually find it , simon, because, i mean, that it, simon, because, i mean, that is now how people communicate and that part of whatsapp groups and that part of whatsapp groups and of course some of these whatsapp groups were the chief medical officer, the chief scientific adviser , the health scientific adviser, the health secretary, the prime minister . secretary, the prime minister. i'm not especially by any of this now. it is time now to go through rishi deal and this is really, really important because once again today our newspapers are giving the most positive spin. you ever heard. it's as if he's performed some miracle coup and the conservatives could well storm back to victory . well, storm back to victory. well, let's just have a look at some

of the issues that highlighted in his speeches in windsor and in his speeches in windsor and in the house of commons. have a listen to this. good destined for northern ireland will travel through a new green lane where they separate red lane for at risk of moving onto the in the green line . burdensome customs green line. burdensome customs bureaucracy will be scrapped. it means food like supermarkets, restaurants and wholesalers will no longer need hundreds of certificates for every lorry. so sounds , doesn't it? there's a sounds, doesn't it? there's a green lane. you can send your sausages it. marvellous. well, let's have a look at what's there in the text of the eu document , because they really document, because they really paint a slightly different slant on this. identity checks will be reduced to only 5. physical checks will follow a risk based and intelligence led approach. let's be clear about the green line. all right. there will be

checks on 5% of goods. every shipment goes will need paperwork. and by the way, if you're making in england for sale in northern ireland, you'll have to put a label on them as well. so on the green line, i don't think matches what rishi said. what about excise duties and cheap booze? this is what the prime minister had to say. we've amended the legal text of the protocol to ensure we can make critical vat and excise changes for the whole of the uk. for example, on alcohol duty, meaning reforms to cut the cost of a pint in the pub will now apply in northern ireland. well sounds marvellous. not just sausages but cheap beer too. but what are the european union have to say about these excise duties as well ? they say there is now as well? they say there is now also a possibility to tax all alcoholic beverages according to their strength and to reduce duty rates as long as the minimum rates are not below eu

minimum rates are not below eu minimum duty rate. so still all the european union will have a say over what the price of a pint is. but what about the big one? what about vat? this is what sunak had to say. the amended the legal text of the treaty so that critical vat an excise changes will apply to the whole of the united . so we've whole of the united. so we've taken back control the vat. well that's absolutely until you have a look at this document produced by our friends in brussels because they say something rather different. they say these arrangements include a possibility to set uk vat rates below eu vat minimum rates for immovable goods with no risk that those goods could enter the eu single market, e.g. a heat pump for a house. we can reduce vat on heat pumps on your house but on a vast swathe of other areas. brussels arestill in

charge and the big one the really really big one is of course the stormont break and the veto . rishi sunak this the veto. rishi sunak this stormont break does more than just northern ireland. they say , over new eu laws. it means they can block . how will this they can block. how will this work . the democratically elected work. the democratically elected assembly can oppose new goods rules that would have signified and lasting effects on their everyday lives so we can . the everyday lives so we can. the assembly instalment can block eu rules . oh, no, no, no, no. rules. oh, no, no, no, no. that's not what the document says. the document says the stormont break will allow the uk government to, at the request of 30 members of the legislative in northern ireland, to stop the application in northern ireland of amended or replacing provisions of protocol related eu law that may have a significant lasting impact. specific to the everyday lives of communities there. so in extremis . stormont could raise

extremis. stormont could raise a flag , but it would have to be flag, but it would have to be the government that put through a veto on that legislation. but there is a slight problem here, which is if we do that, the european union, then the right to sue us for damages. and so i can't see it ever being used on a final reminder. remember one of the big things in the whole brexit debate and since was the role in luxembourg of the european of justice to be free. surely we can no longer be under the of a european union court. and yet this is what commission president, ms. von der leyen had to say. so the ecj will have the final say on eu law , single final say on eu law, single market issues . there you go. market issues. there you go. that's bonus ball, isn't it? yes. risk is . realities, i'm yes. risk is. realities, i'm afraid, are coming home to roost earlier on. about an hour ago i sat here with dup member of parliament sammy wilson and is the brexit spokesman for the dup . sammy you know , look at

. sammy you know, look at today's newspapers . there's today's newspapers. there's leaders, there's articles, comment pieces. what an incredible deal rishi sunak has done. andrew the daily mail today says that those that criticise are nitpicked as are you in that picture. no, i'm not a pickle indeed. i think the what you should be looking at are the useful idiots who before the tail was even printed, before they had copy in their hands were telling everybody that's a great deal, hands were telling everybody that's a great deal , this is a that's a great deal, this is a brilliant thing. i'll tell you one thing. if we had come out and rejected the deal as quickly as some of those people who are now supporting us come out, we're blamed for not we're being blamed for not looking at the facts, not trying to get behind what the details were, etc, yet we've got all these people out selling it and selling it on the pieces of the spin, not the substance . and spin, not the substance. and indeed, as you've pointed out , indeed, as you've pointed out, once you look at the substance , once you look at the substance, you find that much , many of the you find that much, many of the

claims which are made are just totally on. true. but we at least now enjoy the same sausages on cocktail sticks at events in london and belfast. that's something, isn't it ? that's something, isn't it? well, provided that they have a separate label on them and the sausages that go from the factory in the uk out to northern ireland have to have a label. they will they any goods which come into northern ireland go through the green layer and. by go through the green layer and. by the way, there will still, as you're pointed, have substantial checks them, must be labelled checks on them, must be labelled for northern ireland and for northern ireland only. and here's the irony. she has been sent the irish republic that could have gone in the irish repubuc could have gone in the irish republic , come back and come republic, come back and come into northern ireland without a label on them. this is a nonsense of this . and, you know, nonsense of this. and, you know, it's funny when you delve into the detail, you see that the spin on this is ridiculous. and ihope spin on this is ridiculous. and i hope that people don't buy it. and the way in which the government is open. but it may have spoken to many people in

the house of commons today and many of them are just and i think this is solid right now the relief a government the relief that a government which pressure , has now which is under pressure, has now got positive sell got something positive to sell and nobody's being critical of it and you're critical of it. and if you're critical of it, know , even though it's it, you know, even though it's honest criticism and nigel can just this to you, mean, we just say this to you, i mean, we need know what this is all need to know what this is all about because the future of northern ireland within uk northern ireland within the uk the depend upon the kingdom will depend upon this thing being right. if it's not right, they'll be further. further divided on a date. well why do you say that? but what's really interesting is in the uk document , it talks about the document, it talks about the risks of divergence within united kingdom and that hints to me that actually , as northern me that actually, as northern ireland has to comply with eu law, actually the rest of the united kingdom increasingly could too. well, it doesn't feel like brexit, does it? no, it doesn't mean already we know that the united kingdom will be tied when it comes to vat rates because they'll have to mimic that. the rates in the eu . we that. the rates in the eu. we

know that the uk will still have to comply with eu law and northern ireland and the eu, eu, uk will have to comply with eu law and ireland. and of course, once that fruits and the door . once that fruits and the door. you can absolutely sure that if not this government, you can absolutely sure that if not this government , future not this government, future governments will then use that as the excuse for aligning. well, we've already seen we've already seen the snp in the house of commons today arguing well if rishi sunak's says it's a fantastic settlement , northern a fantastic settlement, northern ireland, why can't scotland have the same? well, and i think that, you know and as an enthusiasm to oversell the deal he has shot himself the foot and equally what was said by the snp in the house of commons today could be said producers and businessmen and england and wales if northern ireland is neither . so use wales if northern ireland is neither. so use his wales if northern ireland is neither . so use his own words wales if northern ireland is neither. so use his own words . neither. so use his own words. the most special place in the whole of the world, because it's

access to the uk market and access to the uk market and access the market. if i was a producer here and a businessman in england, i'd say, well, because same spare capacity of special status and you know, and so susie as him he's almost made the eu kiss for bringing the uk as a whole back into the single market. yeah i get it. the dup can't accept this can they. well we the first thing we have said and we're not going to be accused in the same way as i am accusing some of the, the mps and other commentators who have come out and just said we'll accept this and it's a good deal accept this and it's a good deal, we will examine it. but all i can say to nigel is a more we have examined the detail. the more we have become aware of the flaws. and that puts us a stronger position we make stronger position than we make final say this is final judgement to say this is made on not listening to the spin. this judgement is made on looking at what is good for the

united kingdom , for the union, united kingdom, for the union, for the integrity , the united for the integrity, the united kingdom market and for northern ireland as a whole. and that's what we'll be doing over the next number of weeks. but i think as already made clear to you already we have identified the flaws. and with those flaws are fundamental and if they're not changed, then why we possibly accept . sammy wilson, possibly accept. sammy wilson, thank you . well, that was sammy thank you. well, that was sammy wilson being diplomatic. it's a very rare thing, but i think i know what's going to happen. i just as he so rightly says, the more you dig into this, the more you think about it, the more you look at detail, you see that actually ultimately to actually ultimately has to win over spin. in a minute, we'll have a look at the case on. the isle of man of a transgender teenager telling 11 year olds there are 73 different genders .

is the what the farage moment last saturday? i was totally astonished . there was a demo, an astonished. there was a demo, an account, a demo that took place lewisham in south london , lewisham in south london, hundreds of people in the street in lewisham demanding that drag should continue to have the right to go into our schools to teach youngsters about their view of life . now, look, we're view of life. now, look, we're tolerant about all sorts of human, but there is a question as to what is appropriate to be to 11 and 12 year olds. well on the isle of man . this issue has the isle of man. this issue has come to a head in quite a big way over the course of the last few days at the queen elizabeth ii high school in peel. few days at the queen elizabeth ii high school in peel . and a ii high school in peel. and a drag queen appeared there , spoke drag queen appeared there, spoke to 11 and 12 year olds. and it now seems that parents are standing up and saying they are not prepared to. put up with this. let's find out by going now straight to the isle of man . and i'm going to be joined by

matthew cheatham, who was a parent at the qe two school and. i'm going to be joined by lisa cox, vice chair of the maro . if cox, vice chair of the maro. if i pronounce that correctly, commissioner as a form of local government , the island. good government, the island. good evening to both of you. thank you for coming on the program. we really want a proper explanation of this and? i'm keen to start, matthew, with you. you had a child that was put in front of this drag queen. what happened? that's offended you ? i think it's the fact you? i think it's the fact they've gone in without the being asked is okay is what we're teaching this is or off the curriculum we're still unsure . and then for a child to unsure. and then for a child to basically say, look, this too gender's. that's what my mom and dad have told me. and then basically it's been removed from the class by the teacher as being seen to be as offensive towards the drag queen. and which i think everybody agrees is it's not right at all. and

it's that quick to say we have we offend them . but then when we offend them. but then when they clearly have the adults and they clearly have the adults and the children it seems they get punished this. why we're trying to bring up level of trust with children. it's not that that i mean astonishing for a child of that age to thrown out of a class for saying mum and dad are taught me there are two genders and i understand the drag taught these children that there are 73 different genders which i think at 11 years old must be somewhat confusing and even i understand matthew , some fairly graphic matthew, some fairly graphic accounts of skin grafts . yeah. accounts of skin grafts. yeah. so essentially they were the 87 so tatty lambeth 12 year olds that being separated into three groups. one was to go to the drag queen, the other to go with a while. there was a girl at the time she she got into the classroom, five boys. she didn't really know that. quite a strange group was put together

and they were basically given a sex kit sexual toy. to so speak and shown experts condom and then the other team or the other group were then shown one of the teacher's phones how to take a skin graft from an arm for a girl and creates a penis a. oh, dean girl and creates a penis a. oh, dear. oh, dear. that's all a bit much, isn't it? yes. i have to say, i can understand. matthew. what? you are upset. i really can. and isaac asks. it seems that matthew is far from alone. and there are a lot of parents have objected to what's happening. and there is a current suspension of these activities within the school. is this something i mean, you're involved there with local government. is this something that you think the government of the island are going do the island are going to do something about? the island are going to do something about ? yes, the island are going to do something about? yes, i do . we something about? yes, i do. we have a couple of really fantastic cases. what we my the head minister of house of faith and as soon as they heard that this was happening, they stopped

straightaway. they wanted to investigate fully. so they know exactly what's going and what is happening . and they are doing happening. and they are doing everything , their power to make everything, their power to make sure that this doesn't happen again, you know, and we welcome the report that they're doing at the report that they're doing at the moment. and we really look forward to seeing it . well, it forward to seeing it. well, it just goes to show, doesn't that when parents actually do and they're not frightened, they take a principled stand, you know, and they get together they can be effective. but eliza, let me just ask you, how on earth did this it i it is poisoned, frankly, to expose ten, 12 frankly, to expose ten, 11, 12 year olds how did this year olds to this. how did this ever in the first place ever happen in the first place on a place like the man on a place like the isle of man ? i don't know, nigel . this is ? i don't know, nigel. this is what the independent review will find out for us. how actually happened. find out for us. how actually happened . you know, that was happened. you know, that was obviously a miscommunication along the line and the independent review will obviously open that up and let us know what happened . well, i

us know what happened. well, i want to say thank you, eliza . want to say thank you, eliza. thank you. matthew, for coming on and sharing that story and having the courage to stand up for what you believe is right and i'm sure this is going on in many schools over here, but often parents are too scared to say anything so well , you often parents are too scared to say anything so well, you and thank you for sharing story. well, i must say with all that talk of skin grafts and what they can be useful, i think it's probably time for a drink. yes. thank goodness. the next segment is talking points.

that drink first. the day after that last story. goodness gracious man. i'm joined by danielle lloyd stole model t personality. welcome to the program. now . was it as a little program. now. was it as a little girl , we always got to be a

girl, we always got to be a beautician. a model was , you beautician. a model was, you know, where your life was always going to go. i actually was in a really violent relationship when i was young. so i had no confidence whatsoever. and it was actually my mom who got me involved pageants , some involved pageants, some modelling and just to try and get me some confidence back and obviously had a lot of knock backs and doing the pageants carries on. garvin and then eventually i will miss england what do you are missing? england you miss great britain. i mean , you miss great britain. i mean, you know, and yet today people talk about pageants as if it's exploitative of women and it's all demeaning and it's wrong. what would you say to that? i'd say obviously i get where they come from when dress they get that the girls and like the bikini segments or whatever they've changed that now and they've changed that now and they are a lot more covered all but for me it helped me so much it gave me so much confidence . i

it gave me so much confidence. i actually got on stage and i talked about domestic violence and that's actually what made win because it gave me the strength to help . what the strength to help. what the people gave you so much confidence . you went to playboy confidence. you went to playboy . and you modelled for playboy and you were stripped of your title for inappropriate behaviour. i know. well believe me, the i actually me a block and they still have the craft . and they still have the craft. no. yeah. you know what i, i loved it. it was amazing . it was loved it. it was amazing. it was the best experience ever. playboy like, i was so lucky . playboy like, i was so lucky. and actually, the pictures are something that i look back on today and think, wow, not many people can say that. so, you know, that's good. and that's how you feel about it. that's good. yeah and of course it was the lads mags boom time wasn't it. yeah. loaded not and all different lads mags. it was a huge. different lads mags. it was a huge . yeah. and you were there huge. yeah. and you were there on front cover of the front coven on front cover of the front cover. but again we sort of

think well mention behave like this anymore. yeah. and now it's crazy like as opposed if my kids were watching that. i've got four boys, so i'll be like. but that's. would you i don't know obviously lots of lads they are nothing like i'm really fortunate because it wasn't amazing time back then but i was almost like in front of the camera. i was somebody i was behind . like it was almost like behind. like it was almost like a c some people, danielle would well on the one hand you did all these things, but on the other, you know, you do understand what domestic violence is. you've campaigned on this issue. there are oh, what is all are some who oh, what is all these lads magazines, toxic culture. yeah that leads all culture. yeah that leads to all this violence problems . but this violence and problems. but you them as different you see them as two different things. two different things. yeah, two different things. yeah, two different things. obviously for myself, i was in control by this point of what i want to do. i took control of my own life and i was i made a lot of money to an next. so, you know, it was fun. and i back and i don't have any

regrets . good. you made lots of regrets. good. you made lots of money. and so suddenly, you know, you become this tv person and you're appearing on all sorts of different programmes, some good. maybe some not so good. but you do have a bit of success, don't you? because you know, you go off , you go on to know, you go off, you go on to the celebrity version programmes and you start winning them. you know, you know total wipe—out. you go on, you win, you know , you go on, you win, you know, you go on to the celeb weakest link and because of that and you've got also loads of questions and you win and now it's crazy. so don't . how what it's crazy. so don't. how what was it? i mean, did you enjoy a big you were a tv celebrity were one of the early wags which means you consider whatever you do the someone they're snapping away at what you do and every single piece of clothing that

you wear and how hair looks and how maybe you look bit tired that day or don't make up is different. what's the what's it like living that kind of spotlight i can take it's like the average really down days i've actually been really down had a lot of problems and ended up in rehab. i was fairly depressed i had i actually did consider taking my own life at one point it all was to down feeling the stress of being in the spotlight. it was just all much. i was a competition and you're competing as everybody else the other that yeah i think i think that's until you your role what i think a lot of the celebrities are still like that now especially like get you know you get in love island and all fighting for the same jobs but when you get older and i've moved out of that and i took a step back. i can actually realise got my life realise like i've got my life where i and if i want to step back into come down to back into and come down to london and do a bit of work now

and again, i can and then go back to my normal life. that's what because lot of what i love because a lot of people who've been through these, you know, reality programmes and celebrity and whatever kind of said whatever they've kind of said that the programmes have used them dumped them . yeah, them and then dumped them. yeah, i do get because it's that sort of like the onto the next for obviously for someone like myself i've been fortunate enough to have such a long career and i'm thankful that i'm still around the good run but eight years later for yeah a lot of the tv shows now also of you know the yearly shows and they haven't got the sort of magazines anymore and things like that so online and it's hard it's a hard industry span now you're a bit of a campaigner. you talked earlier about domestic violence. yeah also plastic surgery , you know, also plastic surgery, you know, having lips done and boobs done and whatever else. and i just women, men do a lot of now botox, you name it. you know, we get it from america , but it's get it from america, but it's becoming ever more part of

millions of people's lives. they've got to get this operation. that operation. but you're kind of, you operation. that operation. but you're kind of , you know, flying you're kind of, you know, flying a flag here and same as a warning here, aren't you? yeah, i've lot problems with i've had a lot problems with surgery in the past, especially with my boobs . and ellie died , with my boobs. and ellie died, and it was it was just horrendous and. obviously, anyone is wanting to surgery. i'd tell them to just consider it really carefully, because there are so many risks and now being a mum of five like i definitely wouldn't put myself through that . i wouldn't just, through that. i wouldn't just, i just wouldn't take the risk of not being there for my kids. no. well, you what do you think? it's that serious ? yeah. the it's that serious? yeah. the potential risk of doing these oven potential risk of doing these over. yeah. i mean, obviously some, surgeries are more risks than others, but you just consider it so like i had a blood clot after the surgery i had and i literally lost like half my, half i think it was six

pints of blood i lost on table. and luckily were able to save me. there's a lesson here. yeah. grow old gracefully, folks . grow old gracefully, folks. that's the lesson i think . yeah, that's the lesson i think. yeah, i know. like look at my kids. and i think, like , what now? and i think, like, what now? luckily am here for them and like, now you've got . i've got like, now you've got. i've got to look after myself. so now i'm in the gym every day. look at my last c rather than say we're going to finish with that. because i think the most part of you are far more important than anything you've done is anything else you've done is that you've got four boys and you've got a daughter as well . you've got a daughter as well. so you're a pretty busy mum . i so you're a pretty busy mum. i am non—stop , literally. it's am non—stop, literally. it's crazy . i wouldn't have it any crazy. i wouldn't have it any other way like i literally eat, sleep and breathe for my kids. smile. how's it for one daughter with four brothers, she's more hard work than the boys and she is of wisdom. wished and wished for. and she's like a little diva for the boys those tana

yeah, and what's the age range ? yeah, and what's the age range? the oldest is nearly 13 and the youngest is one. oh you're probably let me, let me tell you something . your problems haven't something. your problems haven't even begun. it gets a lot goes . even begun. it gets a lot goes. yes i've got well the oldest got a bit grumpy and a bit like just wanting to stay in his bedroom and the frozen crew on the floor and. we like kevin. yeah having and. we like kevin. yeah having a of . a well daniel i'd say a of. a well daniel i'd say you've lived in quite a long life in the public spotlight . life in the public spotlight. you know, we're talking about 20 years or so that you've been doing of this and you seem, despite a few problems along the way, to be pretty happy with life. yeah, i am. i am really, really happy. i'm in a really good and everything that good place and everything that i've through in past is i've been through in the past is got where i am today. and got me where i am today. and it's big lesson of it's been one big lesson of a young girls. what is one of the models? still a good career?

yeah. why not? like if that's what they want to do. but with same my children, same with my children, i'll always go to school always tell them to go to school and your education because and get your education because that's important thing that's the most important thing . excellent. for . excellent. thank you for joining . thank you . okay we've joining. thank you. okay we've got a couple of minutes left for barrage the barrage. you send in your questions. i've no idea what they are going to be. ryan says. are predictions says. what are your predictions for cpac? what do you think dissent wise does and has chosen not to appear? ron this is a very sore subject. i am seriously hacked off . i was seriously hacked off. i was flying. i'm a seventh flight tomorrow morning from heathrow tomorrow morning from heathrow to washington, dc to be at cpac. they've cancelled flight . i'm they've cancelled flight. i'm not a happy bunny. i'm going to have to go in through new york tomorrow. so i will be on your screens from new york city tomorrow evening. your time . tomorrow evening. your time. desantis is not there . my guess desantis is not there. my guess is he doesn't to go head to head

trump at this stage he will know thatis trump at this stage he will know that is a big trump supporting audience. the donald will be there on saturday. i'll be there too. i'll give you a full when i'm back with you back from the states on monday. everyone says when the human rights going to cover the british people who pay taxes , etc. we are being taxes, etc. we are being violated daily. you know, yvonne , this is one of the two things i think that i get a lot from people and every day with emails between media people in the street pubs whatever and it is this is sort of the politicians are detached from us. no one's ever held to account forgetting things wrong and somehow it's as if we care more about people that come from all around the rest of the world, even they haven't got a very good cause than we do about our own people . it makes a lot of people out there really pretty bloomin angry . i'm there really pretty bloomin angry. i'm done for the night. i will join you live 7:00 uk time from new city tomorrow but

before let's get the all important weather. good i'm alex deakin and this is your latest weather forecast from the met office a few showers around this evening but they'll fight .

good evening. i'm tatiana sanchez in the gb newsroom. police searching for the missing baby of constance marten and mark gordon say the remains of a baby have been found close to where the couple were arrested. martin and gordon had been missing since the 5th of january until their arrest on monday night. police have said the pair remain in custody after an application for a 36 hour extend motion to detain them. the newborn's parents who spend 53

days on the run have been further arrested on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter . gross negligence, manslaughter. it's my very sad duty to update this afternoon . police officers this afternoon. police officers searching a wooded area close to where constance and marc gordon were arrested , discovered the were arrested, discovered the remains of a baby. were arrested, discovered the remains of a baby . a postmortem remains of a baby. a post mortem examination will be held in due course . a crime scene is in course. a crime scene is in place and work at the location is expected to continue for some time . this is an outcome that time. this is an outcome that myself and that many officers who have been part of this search had hoped would not happen. search had hoped would not happen . the parents of happen. the parents of a morbidly obese 16 year old girl have been jailed for gross negligence, manslaughter in the first televised court hearing in wales. kayla tedford was found dead at her home in newton in 2020 after suffering from an infection caused by extreme obesity at the time of her death. she weighed nearly 23 stone.