it's 3 pm. is patrick christys on gb news now teaching unions are lazy of human beings who hate work . not my words, not my hate work. not my words, not my words the words of matt hancock and gavin williamson. the latest round of the lockdown files hints at the idea that hancock wanted to close the schools to get one over williamson kids on now supposedly thicker and more than before as a result. but the bigger picture here is this has matt hancock being betrayed the great british countryside meadows rolling hills galore . meadows rolling hills galore. yes, landscapes. but did you know that he's actually racist .7 know that he's actually racist? that's right. people think too many white live in rural britain and some thing must be done about that . i am debating, about that. i am debating, believe it or not, is the countryside racist and political correctness? is a gift to islamist terrorism that is according to home secretary suella braverman . on a similar

suella braverman. on a similar note, i be reacting to the manchester arena bombing inquiry which has found the sick twisted terrorist could potentially have been stopped . but who is really been stopped. but who is really to blame ? is it mi5 or security to blame? is it mi5 or security services or the bomber's own family? get your e—mails coming in thick and fast, gbviews@gbnews.uk . do you think gbviews@gbnews.uk. do you think that matt hancock was betrayed and crucially is countryside racist? gb views gb news don't uk but ? racist? gb views gb news don't uk but? first, the racist? gb views gb news don't uk but ? first, the latest uk but? first, the latest headunes uk but? first, the latest headlines with brianna jo's . headlines with brianna jo's. thank you, patrick. good afternoon. it's minutes past three. your top stories from the gb newsroom. an inquiry into the manchester arena terror attack has found five missed opportunity that might have prevented the bombing . the prevented the bombing. the report found the security service failed to act on signifie intelligence received in the months before the 2017 attack. information relating to suicide bomber salman rpg was assessed at the as not terror

related . it also found a body related. it also found a body could have been arrested at manchester airport four days before he went to kill 22 people at the ariana grande concert. the home secretary saw the problem and says she's committed to working with m15 and will do everything possible to prevent another attack. the chairman of the inquiry, sirjohn saunders , the inquiry, sirjohn saunders, outlined his findings of . this outlined his findings of. this third and final report . i have third and final report. i have found significant, missed, opportune unity to take action that might have prevented the attack . there was a realistic attack. there was a realistic possibility that actionable intelligence could have been obtained which might have led to action preventing the attack . action preventing the attack. the reasons for this missed opportunity included a failure by the security service. in my view , to act swiftly enough view, to act swiftly enough enough. view, to act swiftly enough enough . and in the last few enough. and in the last few minutes, the victims families

have spoken out . they say have spoken out. they say they've been failed at every level . it is clear that salman level. it is clear that salman should have been referred to prevent. is clear that the education system needs to be more vigilant . picking up signs more vigilant. picking up signs of radicalised . it clear that of radicalised. it clear that didsbury mosque turned a blind to eye in its midst. sirjohn's report today contains many lessons we must heed every one of them and make the necessary changes urgently . police changes urgently. police investigating the death of a missing baby who was found in brighton night, say the newborn have been dead for some time . have been dead for some time. the remains were found in woodland close to where constance marten and mark gordon were arrested on monday. the couple had evaded for more than seven weeks and refused to give any information on the location or welfare of their baby . or welfare of their baby. they're currently being held on suspicion of child neglect,

manslaughter. at suspicion of child neglect, manslaughter . at this suspicion of child neglect, manslaughter. at this stage suspicion of child neglect, manslaughter . at this stage , we manslaughter. at this stage, we have not yet been to confirm the baby's gender and a post—mortem examination has not yet taken place , despite based on our place, despite based on our enquiries we've carried out so far . we believe sadly baby may far. we believe sadly baby may have been dead for some time before they were found . it's too before they were found. it's too early for us. provide a more specific date date . boris specific date date. boris johnson has expressed concerns over rishi sunak's new brexit deal for northern ireland. speaking in westminster earlier, the former prime minister said he'd find it very difficult to vote for the windsor deal, saying it wasn't about the uk taking back control. the deal with eu aims to fix post—brexit trade problems in northern ireland. borisjohnson trade problems in northern ireland. boris johnson also admitted he'd mistakes in signing his northern ireland protocol that caused the dup to walk out of powersharing . they walk out of powersharing. they find it very difficult to vote

for something myself because something like this myself because believed that we should have done something different no matter how much plaster came off the ceiling in brussels and i hope that it will work and i also hope that if it doesn't work we will have the guts to deploy that bill again . matt deploy that bill again. matt hancock says a victim of a massive bitter fail after more than 100,000 of his whatsapp messages were leaked . the former messages were leaked. the former health secretary handed over texts to journalist isabel as they collaborated on his memoirs. she then them on to the telegraph. the paper claims mr. hancock clashed with then education secretary gavin over schools during , the covid schools during, the covid pandemic and called reportedly said he was mounting rigour action to close schools . action to close schools. december 20, 20 despite sir gavin fighting tooth and nail to

keep them open open and teachers in wales and the south of england are on strike today in. a dispute over pay. it's third walkout by members the national education union this week with previous industrial action taking place in the north of england and the. the education secretary invited or had invited teaching unions to take part in talks . the condition that the talks. the condition that the strikes was . but the unions are strikes was. but the unions are demanding a better pay off a first for the national strike in england and wales are planned for march the 15th and 60. this is gb news bring you more as it happens now though it's back to . patrick okay, people, let's start with the latest revelations from what's being called the lockdown files and well, they show no sign of stopping, do files and well, they show no sign of stopping , do they? sign of stopping, do they? because yesterday it was matt

hancock's decisions on care homes were under the. so homes which were under the. so that's elderly sorted in that's the elderly sorted in a way. and today the sound of schools. so kids he's himself across the age ranges he. leak messages reveal how hancock thought the then education secretary gavin williamson was and i quote matt in fighting to keep schools open all whilst hancock was otherwise occupied making a disparaging comments about teaching unions. making a disparaging comments about teaching unions . and we about teaching unions. and we will be debating that a little bit later on in the show . lots bit later on in the show. lots of different angles for us to go out on this particular topic today will be looking today we will be looking at whether matt hancock has whether or not matt hancock has been i know yes. but been betrayed. i know yes. but has seriously was has he actually. seriously was he sending all this stuff over there in confidence? how there been an actual betrayal here? also as well, of course, whether not unions are indeed not teaching unions are indeed that word that i'm not allowed to say on national television and lazy and don't enjoy working. let's with the working. but let's deal with the stuff first, shall we, with who better ? our political reporter better? our political reporter catherine forster who is in westminster government . thank westminster government. thank you very much. nice to you you very much. nice to see you on for a change. you can

on a sunny for a change. you can p0p on a sunny for a change. you can pop the gb news broadly away. so what is latest? it comes to what is the latest? it comes to the williamson the hancock williamson infighting what impact might infighting and what impact might have frankly, on children's have had, frankly, on children's education? yes that's the attention today has turned to education, hasn't it? and course, many, many people feel that children had an incredibly raw deal during covid, during the lockdowns , there were two the lockdowns, there were two lockdowns that closed schools completely for many, many months , exams were cancelled. we know that the damage that was done to children's education and indeed to their mental health, the children's today has been saying that throughout the pandemic, children were an afterthought . children were an afterthought. really, these messages paint a picture of the infighting behind the scenes. now, we were always told, weren't we, that the government was following the but it wasn't as simple that and behind the scenes the beleaguered education secretary

gavin williamson was fact fighting to keep schools open both wanting to send them back after the first lockdown. matt hancock , the health secretary hancock, the health secretary said no and then to stop them going into a second lockdown in january 21. now apparently, matt hancock wanted the schools closed back in that december one.the closed back in that december one. the battle over wills with bofis one. the battle over wills with boris johnson at the time . and boris johnson at the time. and then you remember the ridiculous situation at the beginning of january 2021, schools went back for about a day and then they announced that schools were being again. gavin williamson i thought very seriously resigning, but ultimately didn't hold enough sway and of course damaging allegations for him as well . messages where he's been well. messages where he's been very disparaging about and unions basically being rather work shy. now he come out and said no , i was talking about the

said no, i was talking about the unions. of course, understand that teachers working incredibly hard. the prime minister's also keen to say, you , the prime keen to say, you, the prime minister, values teachers , but minister, values teachers, but of course this will have upset many teachers and the teaching unions think that this is appalling . but gavin appalling. but gavin williamson's own wife is a primary school teacher. well, yes , i imagine that made for yes, i imagine that made for some rather awkward dinner conversation because presumably she's in a as well so that we can have a look. you very, very much catherine forster political reporter in westminster. it you the political angle now what is interesting really here is people until the cows people can argue until the cows come home whether or not come home about whether or not we right to shut schools we were right to shut schools and them for as long and keep them shut for as long we then open and shut we did then open them and shut them how effective came to them and how effective came to be when it came to stopping transmission. so were kids. little petri dishes the little petri dishes of the coronavirus that would then go home and bring that to mum and dad grandma granddad and dad and grandma and granddad and help all should help with the spread. all should it help with the spread. all should h been help with the spread. all should it been allowed to let the it have been allowed to let the kids then they become in kids get it? then they become in some way immune to it or less

likely to get it, but the concern, think, for a lot of concern, i think, for a lot of people whether or not, people should be whether or not, government was being government policy was being dnven government policy was being driven by political driven down by political infighting. the fact infighting. so was it the fact that hancock , gavin that matt hancock, gavin williamson disagreed with some thing kind epic thing were on some kind of epic power a result of that power and as a result of that kids were to stay at home, kids were left to stay at home, health suffered the skills suffered . and then also a lot of suffered. and then also a lot of them as well. remember they didn't take their exams, those exam results, i think, was squishy, to say the least. some of them were quite inflated, according reports. it according to some reports. it does come on the back of does also come on the back of something just something that dropped just before on and we're before we came on air and we're going talking about this going to be talking about this later in the show. and is later in the show. and this is potentially important, potentially very important, which second which is about that second lockdown or not lockdown and whether or not actually reason why actually the real reason why we decided and go with decided to continue and go with a second lockdown was based on. the fact that they thought that pubuc the fact that they thought that public wanted it not scientific data and that i think what got a lot of people very angry we'll touch on that later because joining me now is the head of education at centre for policy studies and a former teacher.

marler. hey, mark, you very, very much. great to have you in the studio. got to ask, all the studio. i've got to ask, all teaching unions lazy and a word i'm not allowed to say on television at this moment in time. no, i don't think they are. but what i would say is i don't think any of us you may if you to go through all of our messages on our phone, may occasion say something between friends or colleagues that's maybe diplomatic as it maybe not as diplomatic as it would if we talking to would be if we were talking to other people. okay. now, do you think teaching think that actually teaching unions the unions saw some way the coronavirus opportunity to coronavirus is an opportunity to stay home, get their members stay at home, get their members to stay home and less work? to stay home and do less work? now, i don't think that i mean, there some data that this shows quite a significant of youngsters actually a lot youngsters didn't actually a lot of work or a lot of interactions their teachers during the first lockdown so i'm thinking april may 2020 and there's no doubt may of 2020 and there's no doubt that had an impact them me that had an impact them for me i was very disappointed former was very disappointed a former teacher see some of the trade teacher to see some of the trade unions working really hard to try and prevent schools opening in summer of 2020. it felt in the summer of 2020. it felt like whenever government met

like whenever the government met their new demands, their demands with new demands, mitigation, saying mitigation, what they're saying and really the point i'm getting out, it did out, which is that it did happen, didn't and that happen, didn't it? and that leads me to wonder whether or not actually they did not actually they really did want schools closed . now, want the schools closed. now, i think i being fair think what i think being fair because, can't see inside the because, we can't see inside the cells bassett kevin cells of mary bassett and kevin courtney the any who was courtney who run the any who was some biggest problems at some of the biggest problems at the i think were the time. i think they were trying after their trying to look after their members and their members interests and lots people were worried to worried about going back to school. know that school. now we know now that teachers are actually less likely than the typical member of to and of the public to get covid and get from. okay. but get really ill from. okay. but we didn't know at the time, we didn't know that at the time, didn't vaccines then, which we didn't know that at the time, did do vaccines then, which we didn't know that at the time, did do now. vaccines then, which we didn't know that at the time, did do now. so :cines then, which we didn't know that at the time, did do now. so iines then, which we didn't know that at the time, did do now. so i think1en, which we didn't know that at the time, did do now. so i think it's which we didn't know that at the time, did do now. so i think it's very h we do now. so i think it's very to quite how scared we felt to easy quite how scared we felt back at the time and. this just the stuff that we didn't know that now about yes that we now about covid. yes well think it's time now well as ever think it's time now for us to please think of for us also to please think of the children so did the children and so the did suffer as result health being suffer as a result health being locked in. i'm definitely not going to hold by the way government responsible this, government responsible for this, but consequence of but i unfortunate consequence of keeping at meant that some keeping at home meant that some children were trapped in with

their abusers now is their abusers etc. now is an unfortunate there's unfortunate by—product there's absolutely no whatsoever absolutely no way whatsoever i think can all agree the think we can all agree the government unionswanted government or unions wanted anything like that to happen for unfortunate of this. unfortunate by—product of this. so there was that. there's also a report that came out that children struggled with early years development talking years development are talking walking. looked it walking. and when we looked it in context, we could see in that context, we could see that coming, couldn't we? and should we have kept the schools open? well, again, with benefit of hindsight, i think most people would say that if there was situation this, was another situation like this, we would be even more loathe to close schools . then were close schools. then they were back time . what i think back at the time. what i think is interesting is in the early days of the pandemic. there were so things didn't know so many things we didn't know about. i think fair to about. and i think only fair to say hard to make say that it's hard to make really evidence, informed really good evidence, informed decisions at decisions in the government at the but when this the best of times. but when this unimpressive global pandemic kicked , it was the worst of kicked off, it was the worst of times to try and get hold of accurate information in a timely. and the other thing i would is that we're very few would say is that we're very few voices. back in march 20 arguing for government, a bit for the government, go a bit

slower, a bit more caution for the government, go a bit swhen a bit more caution for the government, go a bit swhen we a bit more caution for the government, go a bit swhen we were t more caution for the government, go a bit swhen we were goinge caution for the government, go a bit swhen we were going toaution for the government, go a bit swhen we were going to be on for the government, go a bit swhen we were going to be a| for the government, go a bit swhen we were going to be a bit . when we were going to be a bit like sweden government came like sweden the government came under like under massive possibly be like sweden know that sweden because we know that would be absolutely terrible there interesting there is it's interesting that you've the not you've raised that about the not a huge amounts of public appetite that because something has just come our way anyway latest round of this cash have of lockdown files is being called is that and i'm just reading now britain's second lockdown was based on quotes very covid data . boris johnson very covid data. boris johnson feared that and if you delve into this boris was worried that you blinked too soon on second national lockdown on the basis that scientists reportedly allegedly warned that that data was wrong. so all of a sudden here is back into the realms of flawed data is says and whether or not we should to that but crucially is your boris johnson apparently was warned not to roll back the idea for a second national lockdown because the us is too far ahead of public opinion. so all a sudden we're building a picture here of

lockdown policies based not on scientific facts really led by pubuc scientific facts really led by public , which is no real way to public, which is no real way to damage in people's lives, is it? well let's put a different way. imagine if we had ministers or a prime minister running, the country that didn't take into where the public were on things with. one of the things i think we made a mistake of in the pandemic is people would often talk about this science. we have to follow the science and. sadly, science is rarely and sadly, the science is rarely and often you get conflicting advice or information evidence about or information or evidence about the wrong thing do the right or wrong thing to do is. why we do need is. so that's why we do need politicians to politicians who we elect to represent us make those. and represent us to make those. and so they will, of course, take into account what other politicians public politicians doing where public opinion , and opinion appears, be, and of course, important a course, important in a democracy. of the democracy. what in light of the fact that we are now having a discussion today about the fact that teachers and their unions, i should say, their really got what wanted which was what they wanted which was schools staying closed and that has uproar today. has caused a big uproar today. so schools closed. got what

so schools closed. they got what they wanted , that respect. and they wanted, that respect. and now they're on strike again, telling all that they deserve a pay telling all that they deserve a pay rise because of the work they did during the pandemic. what do you think are. well, i've said many i'm very i've said many times i'm very concerned the ongoing and concerned about the ongoing and i think they end, i don't think they in the end, the right to resolve things. the right way to resolve things. and that impact not and i do hope that impact not just the children, most just on the children, most importantly, but the importantly, but on the reputation the profession. reputation of the profession. teaching do teaching is very trusted. i do think teachers and others think the teachers and others did a superb job generally dunng did a superb job generally during the pandemic, keeping an eye teaching the eye on children, teaching the best could on board the best they could on board the strikes right thing strikes aren't the right thing to let's not up the to do. but let's not up the pandemic strikes pandemic with with the strikes now in a different place. now we're in a different place. i hope can all get i just hope we can all get together and find a way through it.thank together and find a way through it. thank you very much as ever. great have the show. great to have you on the show. my great to have you on the show. my that is the head my line, that is the head education for education at the centre for policy and former teacher policy and a former teacher reacting to that news that potentially were closed to potentially were closed due to some and some kind of infighting and power struggle between matt hancock williamson hancock and. gavin williamson there rather there was also some rather disparaging which are disparaging comments which are going when going to be debating later when apparently say apparently i'm allowed to say the about i'm not the naughty word about i'm not being on being

being particularly nice on being equated backside equated to lazy human backside that but matt hancock has that we go. but matt hancock has released a statement and we can bnng released a statement and we can bring you part of that now , you bring you part of that now, you lucky said, i am lucky people, he said, i am hugely disappointed and sad at the massive betrayal and breach of trust by isabel oakeshott . of trust by isabel oakeshott. there is absolutely no public interest case for this huge breach . all the materials for breach. all the materials for the book have already be made available to the inquiry , which available to the inquiry, which is right and only for is the right and only for everything to be considered properly and the right lessons to learned as . we have seen to be learned as. we have seen releasing them in this way gives a biased account suit, a partial, biased account suit, an anti—lockdown agenda so that we go on no . later on, i am we go on no. later on, i am going to be discussing whether not matt hancock has been betrayed here. gbviews@gbnews.uk. i want your views on that. i'll go to the inbox shortly, but very different messages nowadays and just one very important matters. this because in the last hour the, third and final report into manchester arena bombing has released and the inquiry found that the attack might have been prevented if i may five it acted

on key intelligence received in the months before the attack , the months before the attack, i.e. the months before the attack, le.they the months before the attack, i.e. they could quite possibly stopped the bomber . let's cross stopped the bomber. let's cross live now to our gb news. north west reporter sophie reaper who was actually at the inquiry on the scene . look, thank you. just the scene. look, thank you. just fill in. bring us up to date on what was said because it went on for quite a while. so often what we heard the inquiry from sir john saunders and then in the last few moments we've been heanng last few moments we've been hearing some statements from various family members. first there was a statement on behalf of the families, chloe rutherford and liam curry couple that were killed in, the arena attack. they said things forgiveness will never be enough forgiveness will never be enough for such evil and we will always believe you all played a part in the murder . believe you all played a part in the murder. our children. we then heard a statement read out on behalf of 11 of the families who lost loved ones in the attack. said they trust the recommendations that sir john saunders has made will be implemented. they that their loved ones had every right to

feel safe and protected but they were failed at every . they also were failed at every. they also did play to pay tribute to sir saunders and the thoroughness of his report. of course, as we say in the last hour, he has published the third and final volume of the manchester arena inquiry that he's been carrying out . he spoke inquiry that he's been carrying out. he spoke on inquiry that he's been carrying out . he spoke on radicalisation out. he spoke on radicalisation preparation of salman and a key point that he made was that although there was no certain to it, if mi5 had although there was no certain to it, if m15 had acted on key intelligence that they'd received in the months before the attack it potentially could have been prevented . here's what have been prevented. here's what he had to say. i have found a significant missed opportunity to take action that might prevented the attack . it is not prevented the attack. it is not possible to reach any conclusion on the of probabilities or to any other evidential standard as to whether the attack would have been prevented. however there was a real possibility that

intelligence could have been obtained, which might led to action preventing . the attack . action preventing. the attack. well, since volume of has has been published sorry by sirjohn saunders home secretary suella braverman has come out to say that she's committed to working with bodies such as m15 in order to implement those recommendations that sir john saunders set out in the third and final volume . his manchester and final volume. his manchester arena inquiry. now of course, the people most here are the families of and survivors of the attack who we've been hearing from this afternoon. it's the inquiry is now over, but this remains the reality for people affected by such a horrendous tragedy. thank you very, very much. i appreciate that our north—west of england who has just been bringing the latest from the manchester inquiry, the third round there isn't it. of

that now to according chairman of the inquiry the security services were guilty of a significant missed opportunity that might have prevented the bombing. and joining me now to break this down further is former senior intelligence officer is andrew philip. thank you very much. now, from what i can gather , the question here is can gather, the question here is whether or not, they really should have picked up a abedi on his own by virtue of the way that he was behaving and the kind of individual that he was, but whether or they but also whether or not, they should looked more closely should have looked more closely at his family as well. what's take on what found out today? take on what we found out today? well if you listen to the language of , the judge, when you language of, the judge, when you read out , you know, language of, the judge, when you read out, you know, his criticism of the security , you criticism of the security, you know, it's right and proper that it's identified. but he said could possibly . intelligence is could possibly. intelligence is not an exact game. and what we're trying to do look back and pick lessons with 2020 hindsight after something happened but at the time the intelligence

services were asking them to have 2020 foresight to try and predict what's going to happen in the future. it's a very activity and things go wrong. it is it is not. that is exact. and things have gone wrong in this case. and i know the security service have looked at everything that's been done even before the inquiry's come out and have made some changes. significant to the way they do things . you can't just do this . things. you can't just do this. this. there is quite a bit that doesn't appear to add up here just to the untrained di, for example, a headline like police a lot of manchester arena bombers brothers have flee the uk before giving evidence at pubuc uk before giving evidence at public inquiry and it does one to wonder whether or not there is a bigger picture here of abedi, his brother potentially part of some kind of wider intelligence operation and the pubuc intelligence operation and the public not knowing about that and maybe we should know about that. well the public don't need to know about an of the intelligence operations because why why do they need to children

die at the moment. at the moment there are hundreds of active investigate missions going on today involving counter—terrorism , police and counter—terrorism, police and the security services , the the security services, the counterterrorism police, the security services have disrupted 37. let's digital acts since 2017 and let stages when someone is going into actually carry out their attack . the public don't their attack. the public don't need to the detail behind all of that because they're not in a position to do anything about it and they are in a position to potentially disrupt the security service and the police activity and therefore terrorists could get away with it. this is not something where it should be openly discussed and debated in the public arena , our the public arena, our intelligence services are out there to try and protect the public. they do they possibly can to do it . public. they do they possibly can to do it. it's a very human activity and sometimes you get it wrong. yeah now, one of the things that has come out in latest inquiry is actually about

where and how. so i'm going to be. it was radicalised . and in be. it was radicalised. and in this day and age, we all accept that, you know, you can go on your laptop and whatever and if you're that way inclined, you can become radicalised the can become radicalised in the case shamima as well, case of shamima begum as well, people a people might even you're a victim but with. salman abedi what was interesting was that the that he attended the mosque that he attended and he area was called he did spray area was called into question and there's quite an interesting comment here which is by sirjohn saunders which is by sir john saunders who was reading lights out today . he says looked as if . he says it looked as if the didsbury mosque was trying to distance itself from abedi a way which accept was which i did not accept was accurate. he did also say, though, he considers it though, that he considers it unlikely abedi was actually unlikely that abedi was actually radicalised mosque . i radicalised at that mosque. i just what your view is just wonder what your view is when comes to getting into when it comes to getting into certain religious communities in buildings that could be hotbeds of radicalism action? do we do we know if there are sourced anything or are we a bit afraid of it? no i don't think the security services are afraid of it at all. they will go anywhere

where they think they can gather the to the information needed to keep us safe. however what it does bnng us safe. however what it does bring out is a very important point and the important is keeping us safe from terrorism is not just role of counter—terror. police or the security services or anything else . it's a whole society role else. it's a whole society role . so there will have been some people potentially in the mosque who , will have had suspicions who, will have had suspicions about them and they probably didn't resources , suspicions. didn't resources, suspicions. there's other people in the areas that he was living will seen him behaving in that weren't normal and could have raised you if people pass the information in all these little bits come together and will make a more complete picture and it's the security services getting those that complete picture have then got more information to act on. there's lessons for all of us here. and that very piece was subject a must as degree dissertation by the mother of one of the victims. you figured mary that she she brought that

out in her master's dissertation saying you're dealing with terrorism as a whole society issue. yes, i just think, it doesn't help when certain particular areas anyway can have banned speakers or choir literature, to say the least, within libraries as. literature, to say the least, within libraries as . well, i'm within libraries as. well, i'm just going to rattle through a couple of the things bullet points, really, when it comes to of the findings today that have been announced, there was a significant missed opportunity take action that might have prevented attack. was prevented this attack. there was a possibility a realistic possibility that actionable intelligence have been which might been obtained, which might stopped it. so, again, some of these words you're saying, you know, might and i get know, perhaps might and i get that one of the things that stands out for me is that the reason for this significant missed opportunity includes a failure to act failure by officer to act swiftly enough. now is it a tactic among certain intelligence officers to let it run for a period of time to get as much info as you possibly and actually is not what we're looking at here they let it run too long and 23 people died

including kids. no, i don't think we're letting this run. i think we're letting this run. i think i'm having read the criticism bit that's there. what the intelligence officer didn't do was produce a report quickly enough to get his status changed. that would have then put him further. the changed. that would have then put him further . the priority put him further. the priority list of where assets are allocated . to examine what he's allocated. to examine what he's doing, follow him and look at look at, you know, his communications and other things, know there are 900 active investigations on today . there investigations on today. there are tens of thousands of people in the overall watch list. and there not the assets. even if we doubled the budget for m15 , we doubled the budget for m15, we would sell a lot of the assets to be able to give the level of surveillance that the public would hope could be given to all of all of those threats. and this is why things are prioritised. and he just didn't hit the right priority level. now we got look, thank you very, very and that is, of very much. and that is, of course, senior military course, former senior military intelligence philip intelligence officer philip ingram. now, i've just got some info , some very interesting

info, some very interesting breaking about we find breaking news about we find out what is together . senior what it is together. senior civil gray who led civil servant sue gray who led the inquiry into partygate has quit the cabinet office. and what about this she's reportedly set to take up a role as sir keir starmer chief of staff that's not actually is fascinating because sue gray of course yes off of policy gates and that particular inquiry and quite wasn't it which led a very top level resignations including pitting johnson and now she goes and works for the labour party . and works for the labour party. anyway, later this i will be debating whether or not countryside is race . an article countryside is race. an article in the guardian. what a surprise claims the countryside feels , claims the countryside feels, like a white middle class club all they write . i'll be talking all they write. i'll be talking about that very shortly. don't move move .

it's official, harry and meghan. i'll evicted by the king and i will look what that means a little later in this hour. i am also going to be asking the big question of the day. believe it or not, is the countryside . find or not, is the countryside. find out why shortly. we're going to tell on that. but first, the latest news with the wonderful rihanna . patrick, thank you. rihanna. patrick, thank you. it's 330 for your top stories from the gb newsroom and inquiry into the manchester arena terror has found m15 missed opportunities that might have prevented the bombing. the report found the security service failed to act on six difficult intel agents received in the months before the 2017 attack. information relating to suicide bomber, salmonella abedi was assessed at the as not a terror related . it also found terror related. it also found abedi could have been arrested at manchester airport days

before he went to on killed 22 people at the ariana grande concert. the home secretary says she's committed to working with mi5 she's committed to working with m15 and will do everything possible to prevent another attack. the chairman of the inquiry, sir john saunders attack. the chairman of the inquiry, sirjohn saunders , inquiry, sir john saunders, outlined his findings of third and final report . i have found and final report. i have found a significant missed opportunity to take action that might have prevented the attack . there was prevented the attack. there was a real possibility that actionable intelligence could have been , which might led to have been, which might led to action preventing attack. the reasons for this missed opportunity included a failure by the security service. in my view to act swiftly . police view to act swiftly. police investigating the death of a missing baby who was found brighton last night say the newborn may have been dead for some time. the remains found in woodland close to where constant

smart and marc gordon were on monday. the couple evaded authorities for more than seven weeks and refused to give any information on the location welfare of their baby . they're welfare of their baby. they're currently being held on suspicion of child neglect manslaughter. and in the last few minutes reports are coming in that grey has been hired as sir keir starmer's chief staff. the senior civil led the investigation into . it's investigation into. it's understood resign from her role in the cabinet office to take up the position the labour party. and we'll bring more on that as we get this tv online under plus radio this is gb news. now it's back to . back to. patrick welcome back, everybody. now police today confirmed that they

believe the remains of a baby found near brighton following the arrest of constance marten and mark gordon may have dead for some time . we can speak to for some time. we can speak to gb news is national reporter theo chikomba who is in brighton. theo, thank you very . brighton. theo, thank you very. what's just happened ? yes what's just happened? yes a press conference took place here, this road in brighton less than an hour ago where the police are questioning constance marten and mark gordon, they did confirm that the baby, which was the remains of a baby which were found in the woodland area just behind me, had been dead for some time, but they haven't yet been able to confirm the gender of the baby following a post which took place . now the couple which took place. now the couple who evaded the for 53 days are constance marten and mark gordon remain in custody. they were arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter. in that press conference that the police also confirmed metropolitan police officers will remain in this area for days to come. and

sussex police officers who took part in the large search at that will now be scaled back but neighbourhood officers will remain the area. now this area been cordoned off. the cordon has not been removed. many specialist officers have began to leave there, particularly forensic officers have just left, just few moments ago. and also know that flowers have been left at the bottom of the road. this road by people who live in this neighbourhood, leaving messages as well. one including saying rest , peace. and just saying rest, peace. and just before press conference, the police he held he held that left some flowers there as . well, but some flowers there as. well, but for now investigation do remain ongoing . okay. all right . for now investigation do remain ongoing . okay. all right. thank ongoing. okay. all right. thank you very, very much for us. they actually caught up with our national reporter. i sent you some desperately sad news. i'm going to delve into the world of my inbox briefly now, though, gb views to gbnews.uk and loads you

have been getting in touch . a have been getting in touch. a couple of our major topics we're talking about today. i do want to ask whether or not you think that matt has been that matt hancock has been actually by some of actually betrayed by some of this that's been this information that's been leaked there? is it leaked out there? or is it indeed vital public service that would be two would seem to be the two elements this announcing elements of this announcing as divided people most people divided people most, people coming the that it coming down on the side that it must the idea that must be said of the idea that it's fine, that this involves that he's the one that betrayed the british so he the british public. so now he knows it feels like. that knows what it feels like. that from maureen, course, from maureen, of course, matt hancock this. hancock denies all of this. maureen but also the other big one talk to you one that i want to talk to you about and i'm teasing. so a debate coming your way debate i've got coming your way in a matter of minutes, in just a matter of minutes, which is whether not the countryside, the british countryside, the british countryside, the rolling, the luscious whether not luscious meadows, whether not it's right. we it's racist. that's right. we keep seeing articles being written exclusively in written almost exclusively in the say , about the guardian. i must say, about the countryside being like a white middle class club and something must be done about the last time checked the census. of course, though a course, though, there was a majority white in britain, and i daresay a majority white

population in, rural britain as well , not population in, rural britain as well, not based on racism, just based on human existence, but we go we will be debating shortly whether not the countryside is now racist and what, if anything, can done about that. yes, that's right. i got cracking debate coming your way in just a couple of minutes. hold onto your house, people. it's probably to kick it's probably going to kick right off .

welcome back. here's a question for is the countryside racist? it's been claimed that the great countryside is a white middle club. and so disenfranchises minorities . a 2017 survey found minorities. a 2017 survey found that only 2% of black people in britain , in the countryside . so britain, in the countryside. so our village is racist. or is it just another example of woke madness now run amok? me to

debate this is femi on the ten bono's chief executive of the countryside alliance . it is, of countryside alliance. it is, of course, actor and writer femi. now, femi, i'll start with you. is the countryside racist . well, is the countryside racist. well, is the countryside racist. well, i think what we need to understand here is that britain itself has a lot of problems with. and when you have areas which have a very, very, very small amount minorities sometimes those problems are amplified. if you're a minority growing up in a region , there's growing up in a region, there's barely anyone around. i mean, one of the things which helps to combat racism is people growing up in diverse areas, people growing with who growing up with people who are muslim , who are black, people muslim, who are black, people who are white people who are from everywhere in world together. and that's one of the things which comprises when you have areas which because of largely because of economic reasons, but because of reasons, but also because of history to this history of migration to this country are very, very small amounts of minorities. sometimes those minorities can be seen as

outside a little bit more than in urban areas . people aren't in urban areas. people aren't used to them as much. stop and search created by the countryside were found be up to 17.5 high. 17.5 times higher than than. than white citizens or white white people in the area . so it's not that the area. so it's not that the countryside is like this awful, horrific racist places that there are it's harder sometimes as a person, a minority person to exist in the countryside because of the fact that you saw these imbalances. all right, tim, i will bring you into this now. question to you. do you think that the countryside is racist? no, i don't . but i would racist? no, i don't. but i would agree with a lot of said there is historic issue around around the that the countryside is a very white place. and that's because immigration is mostly into urban areas and that that been a lot of movement of ethnic minorities into rural communities over you know over the past decades centuries . but

the past decades centuries. but can i just ask. sorry on the phone on that sorry to just ask. suggesting that the racist and suggesting that the countryside is white. okay, tim, can i just why is it an issue ? you said why is it an issue? you said that there is a historic issue , that there is a historic issue, it being mostly white. but when on i think the issue is i think the is that understand and i find these comparisons before about you know i've travelled all around britain and you can all around britain and you can all i can walk into a pub in west wales wherever i'm speaking welsh as an englishman and i have a feeling about that and i think it's entirely understandable that if you go into community which is very white and you're from an ethnic minority, then you are going to have a feeling of other families better . talk to me about that. better. talk to me about that. but i think there's really important point that just from a from a practical point of view, the countryside should be looking to encourage people from ethnic minorities to visit to

it, to contribute to boost the rural economy. and so we should be looking at every possible way of ensuring people feel that they are whatever their colour they're from. when they come to they're from. when they come to the countryside. i mean, i used to live in the lake district, so ispent to live in the lake district, so i spent years there, which is very rural and it's very very beautiful. and i couldn't see any obvious barriers to anyone from an ethnic minority wanting to come and enjoy the countryside , other than the fact countryside, other than the fact that most of the people who live there were white. i'm just wondering if that makes people feel uncomfortable, is that not? maybe someone else's problem? not the residents of the countryside ? well, i think this countryside? well, i think this again is something which is than just saying, oh, these are these these people in the countryside are racist it's something which comes to economics a lot of the time, as well, you're an time, as well, if you're an innocent youth in london or even amongst the let's say you mentioned the lake district, manchester's closer to the lake district large afro

district, too, has a large afro canbbean district, too, has a large afro caribbean population growing is one thing. finding the money to go there to travel that drain this that and rest visiting living in the lake district someone who wants to relocate to the lake district not going to be economically viable for someone isolated and someone in this isolated and alone. i left three alone. what i left three councillors days in kendal alone. there is eight absolute out and out myth that every single person who lives in the has got a massive six bedroom house. there is a lot of people from , low economic backgrounds from, low economic backgrounds do this kind of to the lake district. you mentioned the lake district has a very particular beautiful. well of the like of a very specific part and the truth is that there is a disparity between of course, there is always going to be there's always going to be there's always going to be. i mean, i'm not saying in the countryside is wealthy. that's that's as wealthy. and that's that's as you that's myth. not you say that's a myth. not everyone the countryside is everyone in the countryside is wealthy, swathes of wealthy, but large swathes of the countryside do have landowners who own a lot of land, who are able to turn this

land, who are able to turn this land off to themselves and who live a life that can only be described as middle class. you don't have the same kind of level of density as you do in urban areas and because of this, you don't find the same concentration of people who are less well—off and people who are less well—off and people who are less well—off and people who are less well—off happen to be people from ethnic minorities. also, as we know, as i before, the history of migration to the uk windrush generation, people came to centres because they were to be working in were supposed to be working in these industries as people these industries and as people came manchester, they came to, they to london, they came they came to london, they came to liverpool etc. yeah and so it's just the way that history has panned out . okay. alright has panned out. okay. alright tim, i'll, i'll let you come back to that. yeah. i'm getting, we're getting involved in some, some really simple, but wrong stereotypes about the countryside here, i mean some of the poorest wards in, in, in, in britain account for what in

britain account for what in britain you could find in the cumbria. cumbria is one of them has some areas of deep deprivation . so the idea is deprivation. so the idea is somehow that this is a middle class area in itself is a the urban trade. i personally think and from all my experiences these this sort constant line of these this sort constant line of the sort of , you know, the the sort of, you know, the racist in the countryside is equally a really lazy stereotype , a metropolitan stereotype. but as i that doesn't mean that isn't an issue for people from minorities to in what is one of very white communities. minorities to in what is one of very white communities . and very white communities. and that's a challenge for both sides. i think that the people in the need to make the difficult really carefully about how that how they are perceived. and we need to encourage people to understand they are welcome and that they can the countryside as much as you know, as much as as everyone else, because it's in everyone's benefit that i think do feel that they're welcome and that

the fact that feeling that they might have the fact that the countryside is largely white absolutely doesn't . they're absolutely doesn't. they're racist. in fact, all the evidence is when the bnp were having electoral success ten or 15 years ago it was in urban areas the people were voting for them . it was never in rural them. it was never in rural areas. they weren't being elected onto councils in suffolk or or in hertfordshire . this was or or in hertfordshire. this was a racism and racist political party have always been urban based in the uk country and so to. yeah, yeah. i definitely agree . well, as i said before, agree. well, as i said before, sometimes you've got that element of people feeling like the outsiders because of the fact that they're in an area where there's not a lot of ethnic minorities, but just as you've said, sometimes racism itself can be exacerbated by the fact you have a large fact that you have a large minority community and you have people who feel like, oh, they it over, they're taking this the rest look in places like rest of you look in places like birmingham and the rest some very the fact that very urban areas. the fact that there ethnic minority

there large ethnic minority communities has led to a backlash, which is a no, i'm just i'm just i mean, if i mean if i just want more more towards you just know specifically about the countryside, right? which is if people choose to see racism or potential racial connotations anywhere you could argue, they could find it, right? you could see it. we've just described they're in densely populated areas. could , if you wanted areas. you could, if you wanted to maybe see it in all white rural country pub in south wales or somewhere. do you think that when people come out and write things about like how the countryside has got a problem with race actually undermined , i with race actually undermined, i would argue maybe genuine racism . this country. would argue maybe genuine racism . this country . well, i think as . this country. well, i think as say racism in the uk is has it has a history of kind of colonialism slavery and there is large kind of repercussions to that which means that there are people in the country believe in racial superiority that are very, very, very anti—immigration, etc, etc. and

that exists in different pockets . and the person who wrote this article in, the guardian, i believe he comes from the countryside, grew up in the countryside, grew up in the countryside, and he writing countryside, and he was writing about experience. never about own experience. he never said within article, the countryside worse than the countryside is worse than the urban areas. oliver said it so it's like, i think definitely when people are talking about their own lived experience and they grew up in a certain area that to do and allowed to that to do that and allowed to talk particulars of that, that to do that and allowed to t.think particulars of that, that to do that and allowed to t.think yeah,irticulars of that, that to do that and allowed to t.think yeah, we ulars of that, that to do that and allowed to t.think yeah, we should: that, that to do that and allowed to t.think yeah, we should always i think yeah, we should always be balanced about these things and we shouldn't make out like all farmers off all these rural farmers off their and everyone their a racist and everyone else's gets fair. look, thank you very much. both of you it's been great to have you both on the show, femi. now on to those acts and a writer, tim bonner is chief executive of the countryside alliance. great stuff going to be stuff that we are going to be returning our discussion a returning to our discussion a little bit on. but let's get more now a story that i more now on a story that i covered yesterday. king charles has on harry and has got his revenge on harry and meghan. checking out meghan. he's checking them out of cottage, was of frogmore cottage, which was given as a wedding gift given to them as a wedding gift from queen. according to from the queen. but according to reports, frogmore isn't to reports, frogmore isn't going to be because prince

be empty for long because prince andrew in now. harry andrew could move in now. harry and , their wedding and meghan, their wedding reception frogmore 18, but reception at frogmore in 18, but they've spent time there they've not spent time there since to california . since relocating to california. and supposedly they're absolutely so shocked, blindsided this. joining me now is the royal commentator, cole. michael, i believe you've been delving some of the history of frogmore cottage and also you've done research. talk me . done your research. talk to me. oh, is a right oh, absolutely. this is a right royal game of musical chairs , royal game of musical chairs, isn't it? patrick? well maybe it's some gilt edged monopoly with the pieces being moved around the board . yeah. what is around the board. yeah. what is happening, as you say rightly summarised it, is happening, as you say rightly summarised it , is that happening, as you say rightly summarised it, is that the sussexes have been given their nofice sussexes have been given their notice to quit frogmore cottage. now let's , be fair, they hardly now let's, be fair, they hardly live there. i think they've even unpacked the packing by the time they scooted off to canada with their young baby son archie. and of course, this recognised the reality that they are now committed to america. this is their last , shall we say,

their last, shall we say, property to this country and. we'll see how often or otherwise they ever come back here. but interesting thing and you've put your finger on it is the fact that the king now wants his younger brother to move out of royal. younger brother to move out of royal . now, royal lodge is an royal. now, royal lodge is an absolute beautiful house, a big white cake of a property set in 98 glorious acres of windsor great park . it's got 30 rooms. great park. it's got 30 rooms. now, if prince who has this rather strange manage with his ex—wife sarah duchess of york to years after their divorce they live together at royal lodge they will find it a bit of a squeeze getting into frogmore cottage which cottage which used to be a collection of rather ramshackle buildings used by members of the royal staff. there's only five bedrooms there. i don't know whether there. i don't know whether there be room for the there be any room for the servants, and i'm sure got servants. this is big switch servants. so this is big switch around. but what i think it's

really about and we want to be ahead of things on gb news is the fact that the king is swimming down the royal family and he wants suitably grand and prestigious property for his eldest son, prince william , the eldest son, prince william, the prince of wales and the princess of wales and their three children and royal lodge is a much loved royal residence . the much loved royal residence. the queen mother lives there and died there. indeed, in 2002 and her husband loved the place too . and of course it has one big advantage that it's very very is probably the easiest royal residence to protect a security point of view . it's set among point of view. it's set among trees amid the land. but i've got to ask michael if this is the case. you are you are right. i think to be of the curve, as you always are, when it comes to all royal. if do you think that what this really means is that king charles likes prince andrew more than he likes prince harry?

i think it's close at the moment to be with you. i really do. but i think what we're actually seeing and this is important is the swinging fist of majesty king charles white is 70 years to take the top job. this prince diana called it. now he's on the throne. he's certainly got absolute within his own family. and then sealing the draft from it. i be seen as anything other than personal demotion almost humiliation for andrew to be where he's going to live. he's always already lost his apartment. buckingham palace. and this is definitely his elder brother putting him in his place i tell you what i mean. if he feels too awful about it and he wants to give it up, i would happily live frogmore cottage. it is as i saying, not a cottage though. thank you very, very much, michael. all an absolute pleasure. the pleasure. michael cole, the royal his royal commentator, does his research say that we research it doesn't say that we go. we start to read go. so when we start to read stories about a time stories in about a week's time of prince william future of prince william our future king moving into king and family moving into royal you can tell your royal lodge, you can tell your friends you saw right here

friends you saw it right here first. but time for little first. but time for a little break. i think. one coming break. i think. got one coming our but in few our way now. but in a few minutes, i have more on minutes, i will have more on whatsapp messages and discuss damaging effects lockdown damaging effects that lockdown on children across on the health of children across . uk was children's health . the uk was children's health secondary secondary to him getting one over hancock . getting one over hancock. getting one over williamson. and is that shameful liam anderson gallagher this has a novel solution to the uk's labour shortage. i absolutely love this. thoughts prisoners to pick fruit and veg pop to work gb views and gbnews.uk seen a it. i'm jacob rees—mogg, the member parliament for north east somerset and a former government minister. for years i've walked the corridors power in both the corridors of power in both westminster and the of westminster and the city of london. i campaigned the largest democratic ireland the democratic vote in ireland the story. i know this country so much to be proud of. we need to have arguments, the have the arguments, the discussions on how make it discussions on how we make it better, wisdom of the nation better, the wisdom of the nation is people vox populi vox is in its people vox populi vox day . that's why is in its people vox populi vox day. that's why i'm joining the people's channel. join me monday and thursday at 8 pm. on gb

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channel is 4:00. here with me patrick christys on gb news. now teaching unions lazy backsides of human beings. you hate work now. no my word, not at all is the words matt hancock and gavin williamson , the latest round of williamson, the latest round of the lockdown hint at the idea hancock wanted to close the schools to get one over williamson kids are now thicker and more and healthier than before as a result but the bigger picture here is this how's hancock actually been betrayed the great british countryside . when we think about countryside. when we think about it, what do we say? we see lush meadows, rolling hills, gloriously. but did you know

that it's actually racist? that's right. people people think that too many white live in rural britain and something must done about that. so i am asking, is the countryside racist? we had one on racist? we had one debate on that last i've got more that last hour. i've got more coming way shortly. coming your way shortly. political a gift political correctness is a gift to islamist terrorism is according home secretary . on according to home secretary. on according to home secretary. on a note , i will be a similar note, i will be reacting to the manchester arena bombing inquiry, which has found that this sick, twisted terrorist, could and possibly should have been stopped. but he was really to blame here. is it mi5 was really to blame here. is it m15 or could it be? the bombers own family? get your emails coming in and fast. gbviews@gbnews.uk k. d0 coming in and fast. gbviews@gbnews.uk k. do you think hancock was betrayed or as i'm already seeing in the to the tune of hundreds if not thousands is the countryside racist it's call out you got now gbp a gbnews.uk but right is your headlines with the wonderful polly middlehurst . wonderful polly middlehurst. patrick thank you and good afternoon to you. our top story

on gb news today as you've been heanng on gb news today as you've been hearing an inquiry into the manchester arena terror attack has found m15 missed a significant offer that might have prevented the bombing. the report found the security service failed act on intelligence received the months before the attack in 2017. information relating to the suicide bomber salman abedi was assessed at the time as not terror related . it also found he terror related. it also found he could have been arrested . could have been arrested. manchester airport four days before he went on to kill 22 people at the ariana grande day concert. the home says she's committed to with m15 preventing any other attacks . a lawyer for any other attacks. a lawyer for the families has spoken outside the families has spoken outside the inquiry and say the victims have been failed at every level . it is clear that abedi should have been referred to prevent it is clear that the education system needs to be more vigilant in picking up signs of

radicalised action. it is clear that didsbury mosque turned a blind to eye extremism in its midst . sirjohn's report midst. sir john's report contains midst. sirjohn's report contains many lessons we must heed every one of them and make the necessary changes urgently . the necessary changes urgently. one another news today. police the death of a missing newborn baby who was found in brighton last night say the newborn may have been dead for some time. the remains were found in woodland close to where constance marten and, her partner mark gordon were arrested on monday. the couple had evaded authorities for more than seven weeks and refused to give any information on the location or the welfare of their baby. location or the welfare of their baby . they're currently being baby. they're currently being held on suspicion of child neglect, manslaughter . at this neglect, manslaughter. at this stage we have not yet been able to confirm the baby's gender and a post—mortem examination has not yet taken place , despite

not yet taken place, despite based on our enquiries we've carried out so far. based on our enquiries we've carried out so far . we believe carried out so far. we believe sadly the may have been dead for some time before they were found . it's too early for us to provide a more specific date . in provide a more specific date. in other news today, in the last reports are coming in that sue gray has been hired as. the keir starmer's new chief of staff. the senior civil servant led the investigation into . it's investigation into. it's understood she resigned her role in the cabinet office and take up a position in the labor party, bringing forward further detail on that. as soon as we get it now stay with politics bofis get it now stay with politics boris johnson has expressed concerns over rishi sunak's new brexit deal for northern ireland. speaking in westminster, the former prime minister said he'd find it very difficult to vote for the windsor framework . it wasn't windsor framework. it wasn't about the taking back control . about the taking back control. the deal aims with the eu to fix post—brexit trade problems in

northern ireland. boris johnson also admitted he'd made mistakes in signing his northern ireland protocol caused the dup to walk of power sharing . at. find it of power sharing. at. find it very difficult to vote for something myself because something myself because something like this myself. because i believed that should have done different. no matter how much plaster off the ceiling in brussels and i hope that it will work and i also hope that if it doesn't work , we will have if it doesn't work, we will have the guts to deploy that bill again . matt hancock says. he's again. matt hancock says. he's the victim of . a massive the victim of. a massive betrayal. after than 100,000 of his whatsapp messages were leaked, the former health secretary handed over his text to the journalist isabel oakeshott as they collaborated on his memoirs. oakeshott as they collaborated on his memoirs . she then, on his memoirs. she then, though, passed on to the telegraph newspaper. the paper claims mr. hancock clashed with

the then education secretary, gavin williamson, over schools dunng gavin williamson, over schools during the covid pandemic. hancock reportedly said he was mounting a rearguard action close schools in december 2020, despite sir gavin fighting tooth and nail to keep them open . and nail to keep them open. teachers in wales and the south of england have been strike today in a dispute over pay. it's the third walkout by members of the national education union this week with previous industrial taking place in the north of england and the midlands. the education secretary had invited teaching to take part in talks on the condition the strikes suspended, but they're demanding a better pay but they're demanding a better pay offer first. further, national strikes in england and wales are planned march the 15th and 16th . those are the latest and 16th. those are the latest news headlines. i'm back in an houn back news headlines. i'm back in an hour. back to .

hour. back to. patrick oke yet again. a lot to go out, ladies and gentlemen, when it comes the locked down files and the journalists responsible for revealing matt hancock's whatsapp messages. isabella has insisted that the leaks in the pubuc insisted that the leaks in the public interest now. this is key point has hancock been betrayed ? or is this in the public interest exchanges between ? the interest exchanges between? the former health secretary and other senior officials have been published in the telegraph newspaper revealing rifts between senior cabinet ministers on public health policy during the. hancock's described the disclosure of the messages he handed to for the purpose of writing memoirs as a massive and a breach of trust. but just this afternoon, new tests were revealed this time former prime minister boris is involved. now they reveal the former pm was worried uk had blinked too soon by into a second national lockdown. and this is where i'm going to kick start this hour with because i that a lot of

people feel deeply frustrated about the idea of us raking up virus and lockdowns again and i get that i do feel quite get that and i do feel quite similarly well. but all this stuff is there now . and i stuff is out there now. and i think for lot of people think that for a lot of people who at the saying, don't who were at the saying, we don't really second lockdown. and really need second lockdown. and also, i'm not also, crucially said, i'm not sure i 100% trust the and the predictions and all of that were being given. well this actually, i think, is some ways in some ways a bit of a vindication for some of these people, because the messages that have come out appear to suggest that boris johnson was told actually the data might be a bit squishy and maybe we have. yes, quote, bunked maybe we have. yes, quote, blinked to see on a second national lockdown and annoyingly for lots of people annoyingly , for lots of people annoyingly, they decided to go ahead with it anyway because potentially the opfics anyway because potentially the optics would have looked bad. so were we put in a second national lockdown based on the fact that the government thought it might like thing to do, not like the right thing to do, not actually the right thing to actually be the right thing to do? joining me now is our political catherine who political catherine forster, who is westminster for us. can

is in westminster for us. can you just explain us really a bit? i think about the latest lines that are coming out in these lockdown files . sure. these lockdown files. sure. coming thick and fast. these revelations aren't , they. so revelations aren't, they. so this is concerning boris johnson and the timing of lockdown, specifically the second lockdown that lasted a month in began november of 2020. now the day after the lockdown had been announced, boris johnson expressed concern that maybe he had blinked soon and that possibly the data that the scientists gave him might have been wrong. now, of course, throughout the pandemic we were told, weren't we, again and again , we're following the again, we're following the science. we're following science as if the science was , some as if the science was, some definitive thing that could be measured. but of course, different scientists , different different scientists, different projections, different forecasts, different estimates and threw out this and clearly it shows now that behind the scenes, behind the outward unity, there were lots of

concerns , there were lots of concerns, there were lots of doubts. and also at the end of the first lockdown, boris johnson had been asking whether could bring britain out of the first lockdown. sooner and was advised by his advisors at the time that the public weren't ready to come out of lockdown that the were too frightened that the were too frightened that that wasn't the right approach. so being guided effectively by public opinion rather the science. so a fascinating picture. and of course , this is only day two course, this is only day two from these 100,000 and whatsapp message orders that have been leaked. we've had all these really damaging revelations today about boris johnson showing , just how human, i guess showing, just how human, i guess everybody in was and? gavin williamson now in hot water, what he said about the teaching unions and who knows what tomorrow will bring? well, indeed we will just have to wait and see. thank very much, catherine catherine forster, thatis catherine catherine forster, that is our political reporter in westminster for us. so the

first thing to go in this particular hour, exactly what we've which particular hour, exactly what wewhether which particular hour, exactly what wewhether or which particular hour, exactly what wewhether or not which particular hour, exactly what wewhether or not we which particular hour, exactly what wewhether or not we were vhich particular hour, exactly what wewhether or not we were held is whether or not we were held the lockdown too long and the first lockdown too long and then second lockdown, not then puts a second lockdown, not on science, despite the fact that we were all being told we were following the science based actually on potentially flawed science on the grounds of science and on the grounds of what people, the public opinion was. would also question was. i would also question pubuc was. i would also question public opinion. the government was listening to their was listening to and their advisers, were they listening to the likes of you usual media time she was standing in front of every day, shouting at of them every day, shouting at them the public. it's them to the public. it's terrifying. all need to be terrifying. we all need to be locked away. what? i know a fact that there a huge section that there were a huge section of british population who of the british population who did to be and about allowed did want to be and about allowed to to work were more to go back to work and were more worried consequences worried about the consequences of than actually of lockdown than actually getting isn't getting covid itself. isn't it also that boris also interesting that boris johnson it would appear anyway was very keen to get out without first lockdown as quickly as possible and to not put us into the second one, but did of course crucially and something he can't get away. unfortunately

for is this just for boris is this he just ploughed it anyway . but ploughed on with it anyway. but was forcing all was public opinion forcing all into lockdowns and nothing more than that? because if so , well, than that? because if so, well, we're all still paying the price for its own. this nation is still paying the price for. and if that was done based on, well, government's not government's optics and, not actual i that makes actual facts, i think that makes it more rub, doesn't it all even more rub, doesn't it? but what the effect of actually closing the schools on children's was line children's health, that was line when were certainly planning when we were certainly planning to this morning which is to show this morning which is the page there was some kind of row williamson. he row between gavin williamson. he was secretary at the was education secretary at the time, is quite good job time, which is quite a good job actually, he does act actually, because he does at act rather professor rather a lot like professor snape of harry potter. so he snape out of harry potter. so he was in charge of the schools he supposedly to keep them open and cox wanted to keep cox supposedly wanted to keep them williamson them closed. williamson initially . and initially won that round. and then the health then matt hancock, the health secretary lobbied keep secretary lobbied hard to keep the closed . where are we the schools closed. where are we now? have got a generation of now? have we got a generation of covidiot kids who are covidiot woke kids who are basically struggling to even do their shoelaces? people they were given over inflated a—level results on a results and have gone on a university way above their

station, only to out and station, only to drop out and fall at the first hurdle. from a younger years development as well concerning out about well concerning coming out about children are struggling to speak and even walk but what have the overall effects being . joining overall effects being. joining me now is carl hannigan, who's professor of evidence based medicine. now, that's something i a professor of evidence based medicine that a clinical epidemiologist look. thank you very much. you've actually named by boris johnson in the latest batch of tax release saying that you would advise him that certain death modelling he'd seen was very wrong. can you talk about that phrase? yeah certainly. we worked very hard to try and get the other side of the story. what you're showing here, the government going for most of 2020 was presented with one side of the story which was based around fair. and coming into november, we saw position where we was looking at the data and just noting the social issues like they're out of date by three weeks and the real data very different to the models and

the prime minister's getting up and one thing and actually the truth is far from what he's saying so in the numbers, he would say with fourfold greater than the actual data. we worked hard some of the advisers at that point wanting to present a different side , the story to different side, the story to inform debate not just with the best available evidence. this is just might not have been wrong. the data was wrong and in the story about five days later that data admit we made mistakes and. they said it was an honest mistake. but by it was too late. we were already lockdown. the policy had been and it been based this problem of fear selling the policy . so is it selling the policy. so is it fair to say that if you had chris whitty, then kids would have been in school and. our economy might not have been as much of a mess as it is now. so i think there are two different things going here. the important job do is to help inform the decision. ultimately, minister

does have to be in charge of the decision. but what i think was happening , a lot of advisers, it happening, a lot of advisers, it made their policies and decided what needed to happen and then retrofitting the data to suit their policy and once you out there's going to be 4000 deaths a day is almost a done deal but if you suddenly come around and say, well, actually the number is going to be 5 to 800. and actually some of that is what we expect. see, i mean, you make a different. so i was saying that's the message going to come in here because that is that is a vital point, which appear to be hinting the idea that they'd come up with a policy which was down kids off school and they been presented with some, in your view completely flawed evidence to say that this is the amount of people who will die and then when were confronted with the fact that that evidence was wrong , they decided that in was wrong, they decided that in order not look bad they would just carry on scaring the living

heck out of was in keeping us all locked down in the kids off school and i think that's the reality and we'll press ahead again and in doing so you're right we are going to close schools again which had schools again which is had catastrophic which catastrophic consequences which will be felt for years to come and i think this is the issue if you're being just given one side of the story . our job was to try of the story. our job was to try and present the old turnitin and say, look, actually , minister, say, look, actually, minister, prime minister, look at the data, the real actual data , the data, the real actual data, the evidence based data, if you like , it's very different. but the problem is it was at going at such a pace by then by the saturday night it was a done deal saturday night it was a done deal. it was almost two to late to unravel a problem that had been coming for weeks before. and i have to say, the to data which i saw throughout that first year of the pandemic so poorit first year of the pandemic so poor it doesn't surprise me that ministers made bad erroneous many times throughout but hang on a minute this time yesterday we were talking about why is it that relatives of elderly dying

people in care homes couldn't hold their hand as they took that vinyl breath, we were wondering why people had to die alone for a ring of steel, which it would appear it did not exist around . care homes. and now what around. care homes. and now what you apparently telling me is that people had their businesses closed and their children's early years shattered in a way that might affect them for the rest of their lives. i might go into the fact that parents economically, for the rest of their lives based again on no real reason , no justification, real reason, no justification, is what you're saying. is that right or not? well, i think you have to set policy, but when you set policy the wrong data, you basically will come to bad policies . what happened in the policies. what happened in the midst of that? people were fearful, so anxious that it's right to say, even when we pointed that out in the telegraph, generally ignored it and just went , well, we're going and just went, well, we're going to go in lockdown anyhow because we so scared is only now in the light of when people are

emerging and gaining their confidence. people starting to ask the serious questions . ask the serious questions. what's happened with these whatsapp message is, is we starting to realise that the decisions were made at pace the hoof and just were not informed by high quality evidence and accurate data and to honest here, when you look at this in the light of day of the inquiry, they're going to say, no wonder we had bad. yeah indeed. and i can't really get my head around how many suffered potentially anyway just so that politicians didn't contradict themselves on the tally, even though they obviously massively went on to do. and it might also imply as to why so many of them were pictured without masks. a of events that it was a g7 or something that. i mean, you something like that. i mean, you know, people one day, know, people saying one day, i want to meet this a lot, particularly it. particularly scared about it. i remember a time actually say, now come to think it when now i've come to think it when bofis now i've come to think it when boris got covid which he had covid people did and covid quite a few people did and it emerged been it emerged they've been having meetings non meetings in quite close non socially distant rooms.

meanwhile shaken meanwhile we were all shaken chuckle to metaphorically at least chris was his radiator were look knock. get were we. but look knock. get out. going to to out. we're going to have to leave i'm afraid. leave you there, i'm afraid. thank very much, carl. great thank you very much, carl. great stuff. i to hope speak to you can the kind of good that can see the kind of good that he's professor of evidence based medicine and clinical epidemiologist wasn't medicine and clinical epifrom ologist wasn't medicine and clinical epifrom theiist wasn't medicine and clinical epifrom the bloke wasn't medicine and clinical epifrom the bloke who wasn't medicine and clinical epifrom the bloke who was sn't medicine and clinical epifrom the bloke who was named it, from the bloke who was named in round of these in the latest round of these files, latest round of files, the latest round of whatsapp messages. was the whatsapp messages. that was the chat. named those who chat. who was named in those who was the people who were was telling the people who were making the decisions that the data was flawed and that there was no need for us to be doing what we were doing. the government appeared be aware government appeared to be aware of then decided of that and then decided allegedly optics of allegedly that the optics of that would be bad. and so we all had to endure something as a result it would appear anyway of having made a decision that they didn't want back on just didn't want to go back on just in it looked a bit squishy. in case it looked a bit squishy. however matt hancock has released and. we released a statement and. we can bnng released a statement and. we can bring at least bring that to you now. at least part it said, i'm hugely part of it said, i'm hugely disappointed in sound of the massive and breach massive betrayal and breach trust oakeshott. there trust by isabel oakeshott. there is. absolutely no public interest this interest case for this huge breach the materials in the

breach. all the materials in the book already been made available to inquiry which is the to the inquiry which is the right place for right and only place for everything be considered properly to be properly and the right to be learned. we have seen learned. as we have seen releasing them in this way gives a biased account to suit a partial biased account to suit and anti—lockdown agenda. does interesting. that's my comments . we could not have time to any better than having the chap on who was named in those whatsapp messages just earlier give it's fair to say a radical a different view than the one in matt hancock statement that both sides of the coin here on gb news moving away from that now that the and final that because the third and final report the manchester arena report into the manchester arena bombing released earlier bombing was released earlier this makes for this afternoon. now it makes for morbidly fascinating lots of different things identified here the inquiry found that the attack might have been prevented it if m15 had acted on some key intelligence that was received intelligence that was received in the months leading up to the attack. there is much more to it. we'll pick our way through the details show progresses including as well some serious concerns about the mosque in disarray why salman abedi and

attended to but just for now let's cross the line to our gb news north—west england reporter sophie raper , who's been at the sophie raper, who's been at the inquiry for us. sophie thank you very much. take it away. what's the latest ? good afternoon to the latest? good afternoon to you, patrick. well, in the last hour or so, we've various statements from members who lost, loved ones in the manchester arena attack. first we heard a statement on behalf of the family of chloe and liam curry, the boyfriend girlfriend couple who were killed . the couple who were killed. the attack , they said forgiveness attack, they said forgiveness will never be enough for such evil and we will always believe you all. a part in the murder of children. then we heard a statement on behalf of 11 of the families, a combined statement you will. they said that they trust the recommendations that sir saunders made will be implement said and that their loved ones had every right to feel safe , protected, but they feel safe, protected, but they were failed every level. finally heard from the mother of martin

hats was also killed in the attack. feig murray she said that today about moving forward , but that terrorism continues to plague our society. here's a little bit more of what she had to say . all three volumes, point to say. all three volumes, point to say. all three volumes, point to an abundance of mistake and failures by a raft of different organisations , services and organisations, services and people . we need more cohesion people. we need more cohesion and more between our services . and more between our services. we need a more efficient system place to ensure the different pieces of the jigsaw come together . we are not here to together. we are not here to point fingers. the bottom line everyone who made mistakes service that was lacking on the night. every organisation missed something in the lead up to . the something in the lead up to. the attack is now of out of failings . well, this afternoon the third and final volume of manchester arena inquiry has been published and a key point that was mention , was that if m15 had acted on key intelligence that was

received in the months before the attack might have been to prevented what we can bring in now that in the last few minutes m15 director general ken mccallum has said that he's profoundly sorry that m15 did not prevent the and that he also deeply that such intelligence was not obtained. we've heard this afternoon from home secretary she said she's committing to working with bodies such as m15 in order to implement those recommendations that have been made today and previously by john saunders as part of that arena inquiry. now the inquiry has now been heard in full. that's now in effect over but what's not is the grief that the loved ones , those 22 that the loved ones, those 22 people who were killed will have to live with for the rest of their lives. yes look, sophy, thank you very much . sophy, thank you very much. sophy, report there on northwest of england, a reporter who is at inquiry has been at this inquiry in, manchester. lots of different factors come out of that. so have obviously

identified a few of them. another one that i'm quite keen to discuss a little bit later on is the mosque question is is about the mosque question is the mosque ? and now it's the mosque? and now it's important to know this is not an active factor or cause the radicalisation of suicide bomber salmond but but, but, but did say that there was a wilful blindness to a highly charged debate the libya conflict. and it raises question is enough being done at a community level when it comes to combating radicalisation you know some of the literature in some of these places of the people that they have to talk not just in mosque by the way, in a variety of by the way, but in a variety of different as but in different areas as well. but in the context of, of course, mosques, so that we go as political correctness allows islamist extremism flourish political correctness allows islthe st extremism flourish political correctness allows islthe uthremism flourish political correctness allows islthe uk .tremism flourish political correctness allows islthe uk . so nism flourish political correctness allows islthe uk . so we're flourish political correctness allows islthe uk . so we're linkingsh political correctness allows islthe uk . so we're linking on in the uk. so we're linking on to this now the whole thinks that that political that she that political correctness has basically been a shot in the arm for radical islamism. we'll discuss that shortly i'll see you in a bit.

yes welcome back. look, some serious news to this particular segment of the show. police today confirmed that they believe the remains of a baby found near brighton following the arrest constance marten the arrest of constance marten and gordon may have and mark gordon may have been dead some time . we can speak dead for some time. we can speak to gb news, his national theo chikomba, brighton for us? chikomba, who's brighton for us? theo thank you. so what can you tell us? yes. good afternoon . tell us? yes. good afternoon. earlier this afternoon, the police who are questioning constance marten and mark gordon confirmed that the baby whose remains were found in the here in brighton has been dead for some time . they haven't yet been some time. they haven't yet been able to confirm . the gender of able to confirm. the gender of the baby following the post mortem which took now they also mentioned there are still some unknown questions and investigations are continuing dunng

investigations are continuing during press conference. we understand that officers from the metropolitan police will remain in this and some of them are still here this afternoon. and of course, sussex police also confirmed that they will be drawing back some of their officers who've, been part of the large scale search which has been taking place here, the allotments and the woodland behind me. now, they also confirm that the couple who had been missing days, who been missing for 53 days, who avoiding contact with with anybody and the police were searching for them. constance marten and mark gordon have have been arrested on suspicion of gross negligence , manslaughter. gross negligence, manslaughter. they remain in custody now , they remain in custody now, there was a police cordon in this area , as i mentioned, a this area, as i mentioned, a police will be drawn back from here. there is still some neighbourhood police who are here. so if members of the pubuc here. so if members of the public do have any questions or they do have any concerns, they can speak to them as the investigation is continuing and

will here for the latest updates . all right. look, see, i thank you very much theo chikomba. thatis you very much theo chikomba. that is gb news is national reporter in brighton. the latest on that deeply, deeply disturbing case. now later this hounl disturbing case. now later this hour, i am going be talking about the local council who was born male but now claims being he or him is bullying. so there's a lot to go out there. we've even got a last little video clip for you . i have been video clip for you. i have been getting a lot of your emails as well, by the way. gb views gb news uk about whether or not the countryside is racist. i'm going to be delving into the terrifying world inbox terrifying world of my inbox shortly. i'm guessing your thoughts the thoughts on this. basically the angle that that someone angle on that is that someone thinks there are far many thinks that there are far many white middle class people in the countryside and that we should do about but your do something about that but your views that it's out views but before that it's out of headlines. we're polly of your headlines. we're polly middlehurst . patrick you the top middlehurst. patrick you the top story this afternoon mi5 director general says he's profoundly sorry that m15 did

not prevent the attack following the inquiry into the manchester arena bombing. the report found security service failed to act information relating to suicide bomber salman abedi, which the time was not assessed terror related. it also found abedi could have been arrested at manchester airport four days before he went on to kill 22 people at the ariana concert. the home secretary says she's committed to working with m15 and will everything possible to prevent another attack. a lawyer for the families has spoken outside . the inquiry saying the outside. the inquiry saying the victims have been failed at every level . it is clear that every level. it is clear that salman abedi should have been referred to prevent . it is clear referred to prevent. it is clear that the education needs to be more vigilant in picking up signs of radicalised zation is clear that didsbury mosque turned a blind eye to extreme in its midst . turned a blind eye to extreme in

its midst. sirjohn's report today. its midst. sirjohn's report today . many lessons we must today. many lessons we must heed. every one of them and make the necessary urgently . police the necessary urgently. police investigating the death of a missing who was found in brighton last night say the newborn may have been dead for some, the remains were found in woodland close to where constance and mark gordon were arrested on monday. the couple had evaded for more than seven weeks and refused to give any information on the location welfare of their baby. they are currently being held on suspicion , child neglect, suspicion, child neglect, manslaughter , a labour source manslaughter, a labour source has told gb news that sue gray been hired as the keir starmer's chief of staff. the senior civil servant led the investigation into . partygate. it's understood into. partygate. it's understood resign her role in the cabinet office to take up a position in labour party. a downing street says the resignation has been accepted with immediate effect. those are your latest news

headlines. i'm back in half an houn headlines. i'm back in half an hour. see you then . hour. see you then. okay. welcome back. well, it is that time of the year again. why the guardian likes to claim pretty much everything is racist. this time it's the countryside and lots. you've been getting in with your been getting in touch with your thoughts countryside thoughts on the countryside being . and case you're being. and in case you're wondering why banging wondering why i'm banging on about because i'm bit about this is because i'm a bit sick actually, every sick of it. actually, every single month . so appears single month. so there appears to some about the to be some article about the fact countryside in britain fact the countryside in britain appears be majority white. appears to be majority white. well, i've got latest in well, i've got the latest in front here. at 82% of front of me here. at 82% of people in england and wales white, 18% belong to black, asian or other ethnic groups . so asian or other ethnic groups. so would it not be quite surprising if the countryside was anything other than mostly? but allen says countryside not racist says the countryside not racist at all. it safer than most at all. it is safer than most towns and cities . okay. laura towns and cities. okay. laura says if a minority wishes to live in the countryside , then

live in the countryside, then they can go. no one is stopping them. the woke just likes to play them. the woke just likes to play the race card at every possible. now, how did debate on this in last hour? i'm also going to return to it in next hours. just emails on this hours. just your emails on this for but keep coming in for now, but keep them coming in because discussion here is because the discussion here is about or not genuinely about whether or not genuinely the countryside excludes about whether or not genuinely the couof yside excludes about whether or not genuinely the couofyside minorityes about whether or not genuinely the couof yside minority by people of ethnic minority by virtue of the that it might be expensive get to. so there's that side of tony that's a bit patronising bit condescending. it's also actually genuinely that expensive to get to. is it 7 that expensive to get to. is it ? and certainly in the case of going from to cumbria, for example pretty cheap. okay so there's that, there's also the idea that the people who live in the countryside deliberately exclude other people by virtue of simply being white, the nofion of simply being white, the notion as well of london owners blocking off and ring fencing land. two points on that. if the land. two points on that. if the land is ring fenced, then white people walk on it. either, i suppose. but also as well. what is wrong with people owning and then a fence around it? then putting a fence around it? i'm not sure there's too much wrong with that. caroline the

countryside anyone countryside is free. anyone can go they wish . strong go there if they wish. strong views the countryside? quite views on the countryside? quite categoric far you're categoric, as far as you're concerned. not being racist . but concerned. not being racist. but we to that we will return to that particular very particular debate very, very shortly . now, though, it's shortly. now, though, it's political correctness getting in the way of combating islamist extremism because home extremism because the home secretary says that she thinks it is . and we're delving into it is. and we're delving into that, especially in light of the fact it's just been latest fact that it's just been latest inquiry, inquiry into inquiry, the final inquiry into the manchester arena bombing as well. do you think that political correctness is actually not just getting in the way of tackling islamist extremism , maybe some extremism, but maybe in some ways helping to promote it? i'll be on that very shortly . i'm be on that very shortly. i'm jacob rees—mogg, the member parliament for north east somerset and former government minister. for years, i've walked the corridors of power in both and the city of london. i campaigned in the largest democratic vote in ireland story. i know this country has so much be proud of. we need to have the arguments , the have the arguments, the discussions on how we make it better the wisdom of the nation in people. vox populi . vox

in its people. vox populi. vox day. that's why i'm joining the people's join me monday people's channel. join me monday , thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's .

channel thafs channel that's got stuck in because suella braverman home secretary has reportedly said the political correctness is creating a blind spot in which islamist extremists operate under the radar. now, according the times, the home secretary told a counter conference that there can be no place for political correctness in our national security . and it comes national security. and it comes as the final report of the manchester arena bombing inquiry revealed the attack might have been prevented . m15 had acted on been prevented. m15 had acted on key intelligence received in the months before . it's also worth months before. it's also worth noting the mosque in question mosque also came in for some criticism as a result of this in

the past hours. while the problem has said she is committed to working m15 and the police do everything possible to prevent a repeat of horrifying attack. look to discuss this about whether or not woken political correct behaviour is actually not just preventing us from dealing islamist terrorism but actually may be aiding and. i am joined by social policy analyst is dr. akiba sun. dr. hakim thank you very much. do think that political is actually encouraging extremism islamist extremism ? well, i think that extremism? well, i think that some of our public are paranoid by the forces of racial and religious identity politics which may hinder our counter extremism operations . we've had extremism operations. we've had previous discussions about how there is the risk of public bodies who are part of the broader prevent structure , how broader prevent structure, how they may because of those racial

and religious sensitivity or the fear of being accused of being racist, how they may be more reluctant to report suspected forms of islamist related radicalisation . and it's radicalisation. and it's something that we really talk when i do certainly agree with the home secretary when she says that she like to see that she would like to see political banished political correctness banished when it comes to this fear of national security and indeed i am concerned about whether not things can often start within a community and people too afraid sometimes to go into that community and try to do something about it. and i am not talking about didsbury mosque, which was attended by the bomber, salman abedi now it's important to say that the mosque not deemed to have been an active factor or cause the radicalisation of suicide bomber salman abedi and his accomplice brother hashem. however it did also go on to say that he believed that the mosque had a wilful blindness to a highly charged debate about . libya. and charged debate about. libya. and there was a statement read out

on the steps of the inquiry afterwards that was very, very about mosque. what i am intrigued by that the mosques response to a lot of this to be to say that they are being demonised eased and that this is a right and it's been lapped up by the usual types who will say the are more mosque the headlines are more mosque defends actually defends itself are not actually things well what's the things like well what's the report about the mosque is report said about the mosque is that political correctness getting in the way of us having a discussion what is and a discussion about what is and isn't and some mosques in isn't said and some mosques in the country . i think we the country. well i think we should give credit to places of worship that do fantastic work when comes to interfaith dialogue and such cohesion. but we should also be free to question places , worship and question places, worship and religious associations . they may religious associations. they may not be doing particularly well when it comes to social cohesion. and indeed, if is a risk that there are divisive narratives which are being we particular places of worship and religious associations , then

religious associations, then that needs to be talked about and that's very important to challenge that from counter—extremism perspective and the reality that when it comes to counter extremism and extremism, what i would say that some that we've seen to be part of the solution are in fact part of the solution are in fact part of the solution are in fact part of the problem . okay. just of the problem. okay. just elaborate that slightly for me then. do you think that some people are instead of part of the solution part of the problem, what you talk about? well, i think that there is concerns that prevent related funding was being allocate . to funding was being allocate. to two organisation tions, which are found to be peddling divisive narratives. now, one of the things reported that the taliban the air carrier precisely so i that we need to take these kind of problems very seriously, especially when it comes more robust due diligence diligence when also looking at

what the processes behind the allocation such funding. because i tell you all in the middle of a cost of living crisis, you certainly don't want i would working people's taxes being allocated to charities . the work allocated to charities. the work is exactly what that funding is meant to be. therefore, do you think honestly kyiv sometimes there is a genuine about whether or not someone going to be an islamist terrorist and instead people looking into that properly they don't because they are worried about being called a racist . well, i think that racist. well, i think that people are worried of it in terms of being accused of islamophobia . are they they're islamophobia. are they they're also worried about being accused of , also worried about being accused of, undermining religious. i'll i would make the point that when it comes to counter extremism, there's simply no space for those kinds of concerns . now, of those kinds of concerns. now, of course we want we're very much against the assault. why it grand sweeping generalisations

but actually behaving like this . and we essentially undermine the influence of anti islamist british muslims very concerned about forms of extremism within their own local communities and i think we should really be wary in terms of weakening their hand . yeah, indeed. thank you very much . as a social policy much. as a social policy analyst. dr. kyiv aslan giving his views on what the home said earlier, which is the views anywhere in political correctness gets in the way of us tackling don't just gets in the way actually can in some ways actively help promote radical islamist terrorism that is in light of latest manchester arena bombing inquiry and the last month's arena bombing inquiry as well but i'm moving on now to another tory another tory grandee . is he a grandee, tory grandee. is he a grandee, would you say, deputy conservative party chairman ? lee conservative party chairman? lee anderson. yes. now he has said that prisoners should made to pick fruit and veg to solve the uk's agriculture labour

shortages. the mp for ashfield argued that those languishing in jail could help tackle the lack of seasonal farm workers . they of seasonal farm workers. they also claim the food banks being abused by people who actually need them. so we've kind of got to for one buy one, get one free on lee anderson today . with me on lee anderson today. with me now is benjamin. now he's a research fellow at the bo group. look you much. should look thank you very much. should we prisoners work ? yeah, we put prisoners work? yeah, absolutely. at the moment, cost an enormous amount just to keep people in prison. it's about 40 grand a year per prisoner. so it'd be good to get some money back for the taxpayer. so they're not entirely a burden on pubuc they're not entirely a burden on public funds, but also we've got this sort of pamby idea this sort of namby pamby idea that prisoners about to be that prisoners are about to be to be made better rather than to be punished. and i think sort of work this sort of labour would actually bring bring us back to actually bring bring us back to actually punishing prisoners rather than seeing them. as, you know, these hard cases. we know, these hard up cases. we just need try to get better almost a kind of a psychiatric way, you know. we do need to get

back to idea of there being some punishment. but on the flip side, there is a big problem in places america prisons for places like america prisons for profit. this that if you profit. now, this that if you incarcerate as many people as possible and get them on these long terms, it actually benefits people. it drives i think there needs to be a line drawn so that you don't run into the problem that america has. but there's absolutely shouldn't absolutely no we shouldn't have people prisoners being put to work . and it would also stop all work. and it would also stop all of these seasonal work visas that people would end up overstaying , become illegal overstaying, become illegal migrants in this country off the back of it would also help get rid of problem. yeah. so you think sell quite think it actually sell quite a few problems to the taxpayer because get a better because they'll get a better bang we've got bang for their buck. we've got these locked might these people locked up, we might as to work. also, as well put them to work. also, crucially, we wouldn't have a tomato shortage potentially, although i understand that was weather might weather related, but we might not like that. so we not have stuff like that. so we could actually see you. i don't know. people in an orange jumpsuit who's almost like shackled fruit shackled to other picking fruit and you could brand and veg. i mean, you could brand some of boutique veg shop some kind of boutique veg shop in shoreditch . you. yeah

in shoreditch. you. yeah absolutely. i think it's a totally sense there this whole thing that a tory government with 13 years in power and a nice seat majority should be doing and. i'm not sure why they haven't done it yet. i think lee anderson is absolutely correct. he's really in touch with what the country want to the people the country want to say. finally see say. i'm glad to finally see some sensible decisions some sensible policy decisions being put on the table by this party. okay. right. but do party. okay. all right. but do you there is another you not think there is another they now, they really understand now, which tory party which is that the tory party won't him because won't listen to him because actually may be a bit too actually he may be a bit too normal. yeah, i do think there is the danger of him being given as of a an offering to the pubuc as of a an offering to the public to say look , got what if public to say look, got what if you're not in, you know, job but we're not actually going listen to you saying things that you want to but we're not going to implement any but and there is a danger of that but i think, you know, be a great move know, it would be a great move for turned around for rishi if he turned around and we're going to deal and said, we're going to deal with the seasonal the with the seasonal what the situation going to deal situation we're going to deal with we have fruit with the problem we have a fruit picking. going to start picking. we're going to start bringing people from places like

right bulgaria who then right major bulgaria who then overstay their visas. that will be solved. also going be solved. we're also going to start, know, giving start, you know, giving something to our farming communities. can communities. so i think you can only there's no good reason only win. there's no good reason for to this for the party to pursue this policy. i think people use london if they're willing to consent have a load of consent to have a load of condoms picking the fruit and condoms on picking the fruit and vegetables, then what's the problem really? some problem with it, really? some people would argue, though, about, it's about, i suppose, that it's slave but as i slave labour. yeah, but as i said, you know, these are people in prison that is, you know, they're going to be given they're not going to be given same wages as everyone else, but it's already slave labour because in works is that because the way in works is that these flown and they these people are flown and they get a minimum way. you see, get paid a minimum way. you see, you know, minimum wage in you know, the minimum wage we in this then they have this country. but then they have pay this country. but then they have pay accommodation and pay for their accommodation and to provide that accommodation , to provide that accommodation, the who run the farms. the people who run the farms. and get half of that money and so get half of that money back or in the accommodation that provide the workers that they provide to the workers so they up the take home pay ends being below ends up being far below the minimum . ends up being far below the minimum. it's ends up being far below the minimum . it's already slave minimum. it's already slave labour class. i think it makes a lot more sense to pay people to go to hire people who are in prison for that sort of work

rather people who've done nothing wrong. i would actually quite like to see people's heads implode when they're talking about you about the idea that. now you can't possibly you can't possibly someone is possibly have someone who is serving 20 murder serving 20 years for murder getting this particular potato out of the ground. alright, well , bloke over from , we'll fly this bloke over from albania we him albania, shall we make him living and make live utter living and make live in utter squalor farm . well squalor in a farm. well hopefully what i'll his visa 1 mean it doesn't make any sense. benjamin thank you very. as even benjamin thank you very. as ever. dannatt, ever. benjamin lord dannatt, who's fellow the who's a research fellow at the biography the biography fascinating stuff, the latest from anderson, latest offering from anderson, which that basically we which is that basically we should, his view, get should, in his view, get prisoners to do like go prisoners to do things like go out pick fruit veg. well, i out and pick fruit veg. well, i know we've got a labour shortage. they could go and do it. and it also might teach them a of community a hard a bit of community and a hard graft. know. what you graft. i don't know. what do you think? touch gb views. think? got in touch gb views. gbnews.uk k. now much gbnews.uk k. now i've got much time in this hour, but time left in this hour, but i really wanted to get to this. here's a question for you. what is the a local councillor is the job of a local councillor now? if you that to make sure now? if you me that to make sure our got them up our bins got them set up potholes get fixed and places like sports centres

like libraries sports centres are there for the local community. basically it's their job to make our lives just a little better. it is not a councillors job to spit that dummy and flounce out of a meeting because horror of horrors they've been misgendered. but that is exactly what danny. kayleigh who you won't be surprised to learn, is a green party politician and did monday night. kayleigh now uses the pronouns they them wasn't happy when council chairman winston misgendered them , he winston misgendered them, he decided to walk off . so decided to walk off. so unfortunately when vaughan apologised , he still couldn't apologised, he still couldn't quite get it right. i'm just going to play you believe a little clip now of what happened when vaughan tried desperately to apologise a misrepresenting the councillors name should have said the rather than he so . i do said the rather than he so. i do apologise for that and think that's what's affected him is it

. it's a there that's . that's . it's a there that's. that's yes so my apologies to him for misquoting again for them sorry thank you very much i've obviously called anyway he got up and walked out danny caitlyn said i'm just enough of famous gendered claims that it's bullying . so joining me now to bullying. so joining me now to discuss this is caroline fiske is a founder of conservatives for women and is a former conservative councillor. karl, i thank you very much. is this really where we've sunk to now is that a councillor walking out supposedly of council meetings based on the fact that somebody is misgendered them . well in is misgendered them. well in this one instance it is . and i this one instance it is. and i guess what i'm sad about is that the other councillor apologised. we just can't go on with education. we've got very serious work to undertaken and local councils . and it's local councils. and it's

disrupted by this sort of pettiness . so i hope and that pettiness. so i hope and that they have a think and they decide not to apologise in future . we've got to be allowed future. we've got to be allowed to use english language as it's civil and we've got to have freedom of speech and to address people as they always have done . and this extremely serious work to be undertaken. and councils , they manage so much of councils, they manage so much of their lives, as you've alluded, they got to be able to get on with it. do you think that there's a massive element of selfishness when ? it comes to selfishness when? it comes to some people. we've had brit awards being changed as a result of someone not wanting to be hey anymore and. now we've had council business interrupted because . someone felt offended because. someone felt offended about being misjudged . i mean, about being misjudged. i mean, there will be people in that council ward who have got issues in their lives and probably would rather that was raised council meetings. what right does this particular individual have to take the focus away ?

have to take the focus away? needy people . they don't have needy people. they don't have the right and i think that if you step up into public life you've got do that with a sense of public duty. so i mean there's there will be people in that council's ward have got serious problems a social housing there'll be anti—social behaviour there'll potholes if you've said there'll be major planning decisions , there'll be, planning decisions, there'll be, you know, low traffic signs coming in when you step up pubuc coming in when you step up public life, you've got to take these seriously and other people's problems seriously. so that isn't play. so that sort self indulgence and it is selfishness and so i think as a society we've got to stand up to it and not begin and doubting it . i mean , i worry that that ship . i mean, i worry that that ship has sailed. what would you say to danny keeling, who's the councillor in question here, who decided to walk out and spit in a dummy out as a result of somebody say that, oh, well, there believe our tv

there we go. i believe our tv viewers will be able to see the individual there . so that was individual there. so that i was thinking . individual there. so that i was thinking. but individual there. so that i was thinking . but what would you say thinking. but what would you say to danny keeling, left to danny keeling, who left newham council after being misgendered . i think if sorry, misgendered. i think if sorry, if i'm being repetitive , i would if i'm being repetitive, i would i would say, listen, if you step into public life , firstly, into public life, firstly, actually, i can add you've to be robust this week for this island . got to find ways to live together. we disagree about many things. so you step up into pubuc things. so you step up into public and you've got to be ready for robust . so you've got ready for robust. so you've got to robust and it's to be sort of like that. i a really strong think about what why you are there with your plan for yourself or whether there for other people and you know as a council of there for other people and that's what you need to focus on. it does indicate doesn't say something that i think is typical of why the society now, which is a lot of selfish and a lot of

self—obsession and the idea now that the self trumps everything else not just that but that everybody else has to make way for you. and if anyone thinks that there's something patently ridiculous it they're wrong ridiculous it then they're wrong and they're the biggest and we're all the problem but there we're all the problem but there we go. caroline, thank you very much. i could talk to all much. i could talk to you all day, but we're out of time. caroline festa, who's a founder of women and of conservatives for women and a former conservative. yes, that clip. that. you clip. we will play that. see you again end of the show again before the end of the show is absolutely hilarious, isn't it? up it turns out it? but up next, it turns out that matt hancock isn't big that matt hancock isn't a big fan to say the fan of teaching, to say the least. he made a rather disparaging them. we disparaging claim about them. we will. comments after will. his fruity comments after the i understand i the break. as i understand it, i might actually that might actually at that particular point the show particular point in the show be allowed say. the allowed to say. it is the countryside. that's one guardian writer has claimed . let me know writer has claimed. let me know what you think. loads of you have doing unbelievable amounts. you're getting very worked up about whether or not think about whether or not you think that the countryside has too many it and something many people in it and something be that. gb views gb be done about that. gb views gb news dot you k. i will see you

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it's o'clock. where? live at five? you're with me patrick christys on gb news. lots of it in this hour. so let's get cracking. we've got the latest round of explosive revelations from matt hancock's messages dropped journalist isabel oakeshott in the telegraph texts published as part of the locked files show. now that boris johnson was worried the uk too soon by going into a second national lockdown where we led into lockdown based a fear about pubuc into lockdown based a fear about public opinion and not facts. but for his part, hancock made an insulting comments about unions. and we are going to

debate that a little later on. i'm going to ask whether or not do you think teaching unions are indeed human and the great countryside, lush meadows, rolling hills, glorious landscapes. did you actually know this is . that's right. know this is. that's right. people too many white people live in rural britain and something it says, well, that is. but something must be done about that. i'm is the countryside racist . get your countryside racist. get your emails coming in thick and gbviews@gbnews.uk . do you think gbviews@gbnews.uk. do you think matt hancock was betrayed ? but matt hancock was betrayed? but i think maybe more interestingly. do you think the countryside is racist? vaiews@gbnews.uk now though, it's your headlines with polly middlehurst . patrick, polly middlehurst. patrick, thanks very much indeed. good evening to you. and our top story today on gb news, m15 director general says he's profoundly that that m15 didn't the attack following the inquiry into the manchester arena bombing . the report found the

bombing. the report found the security failed to act on intelligence in the months before the attack which happened in 2017. information relating to suicide bomber salman abedi was assessed at the time as not terror related . it also found he terror related. it also found he could have been arrested at manchester airport four days before he went to kill 22 people at the ariana concert. the home secretary says she's committed now to working m15 and preventing another attack. a lawyer for the families spoke outside the inquiry. the victims had been failed at every level . had been failed at every level. it is clear that salman abedi should have been referred to prevent. it is clear that the education system needs to be more vigilant in picking up signs of radicalised zation. is clear that didsbury mosque turned a blind eye to extreme in its midst . turned a blind eye to extreme in its midst. sirjohn's report today. its midst. sirjohn's report today . many lessons . we must

today. many lessons. we must heed every one of them and make the necessary urgently . one the necessary urgently. one another news today, police investigating death of a missing baby who was found in brighton in last night say the newborn may have been dead for some time. the remains were found in woodland close to where constance marten and gordon were arrested on monday. the couple had evaded authorities for more than seven weeks and refused to give any information on the location. welfare of their baby . they're currently being held on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter . at negligence, manslaughter. at this stage have not yet been able to confirm the baby's gender and a postmortem examination has not yet taken place despite this, based on our enquiries we've carried out so far we believe sadly the baby may have been dead for some time before they were found . it's too before they were found. it's too early for us to provide a more

specific date . a labour source specific date. a labour source has told gb news that sue gray has told gb news that sue gray has been hired as the keir starmer's new chief of staff. the senior civil servant led the investigation into . it's investigation into. it's understood she resigned her role in the cabinet office to take up the position in the labour . a the position in the labour. a downing street spokesman says the resignation has been accepted with immediate effect and john swinney step down as deputy first minister of scotland . he'll leave the scotland. he'll leave the scottish government after working in cabinet for almost six years under both alex salmond and nicola sturgeon . mr. salmond and nicola sturgeon. mr. swinney is the longest in the role of deputy first minister, but he'll leave now with first minister nicola sturgeon . boris minister nicola sturgeon. boris has expressed his concern over rishi sunak's new brexit for northern ireland. speaking in westminster, the former prime minister said he'd find it very difficult to vote for the windsor framework , saying it windsor framework, saying it wasn't about taking uk. taking

the uk out, about the uk, taking control, rather the deal with the eu aims to fix trade problems in northern ireland. bofis problems in northern ireland. boris johnson admitting he'd made mistakes in signing his northern ireland protocol that caused the dup to walk out of powersharing . and i find it very powersharing. and i find it very difficult vote for something myself because there's something like this myself because believed that we should have done something different no matter how much came off the ceiling in brussels and. i hope that it will work and i also hope that if it doesn't work , we hope that if it doesn't work, we will have the guts to deploy that bill again. will have the guts to deploy that bill again . matt hancock that bill again. matt hancock says he's a victim of a massive betrayal after more than 100,000 of his whatsapp messages were leaked. the former health handed over his text to the journalist

isabel oakeshott as they collaborated on his memoir. she though pass them on to the telegraph. the paper claims hancock clashed with the then education secretary, gavin williamson, over schools during covid pandemic. hancock reportedly said he was mounting rare garde action to close schools in december 20, 20 despite sir gavin fighting tooth and nail to them. open there's the latest news headlines. i'm back in half an hour. see them . back in half an hour. see them. an eclectic mix for this final houn an eclectic mix for this final hour. ladies and gentlemen, we're going try and hit it all. we've got the lockdown files. we're asking the bigger question as well as to whether or not. matt hancock has been betrayed by of these files. his by virtue of these files. his whatsapp getting out there, going. loads of going. we talk about loads of other topics as well. the star

has been accused of being racist. we doing when it racist. how are we doing when it comes tackling comes to tackling radical islamist terrorism? all islamist terrorism? that's all to hour. we're going to go at this hour. we're going to go at this hour. we're going to the story as usual, to with the top story as usual, be if we do else. be weird if we do anything else. matt hancock the government's matt hancock on the government's handung matt hancock on the government's handling covid because handling of the covid because revelations far include the revelations so far include the former health secretary making disparaging about disparaging comments about teaching boris worrying teaching unions. boris worrying that his government plunged the uk into a second lockdown too soon. gavin williamson battling to keep schools open against pesky teachers who apparently and i'm now just hate. pesky teachers who apparently and i'm now just hate . it's and i'm now just hate. it's worth noting as well that my uncle did also use a rather disparaging term to describe the unions, but the woman behind all of this is journalist isabel oakeshott and she's defended leaking the whatsapp exchanges, referencing the national interest. she said i did this, i did this because the national interest. but matt hancock says he's hugely disappointed and sat at the massive betrayal and breach of trust by his ghost—writer too. so has matt hancock been betrayed? with me now to give his insights into of

this is paul baldwin is the head of comment at the express a man who has been trapped using the pavements of fleet street for general shows. paul, what's been going on here, do you think? do you think that my uncle has got a to feel betrayed after doing that? yeah, 100. it goes without saying , isabel oakeshott, that saying, isabel oakeshott, that the journalist who co—wrote not only bestselling book that matt has just put on the shelves signed a non—disclosure and nda specifically to prevent this happening. and of course she has done exact opposite. so it's impossible to say he hasn't been betrayed . the bigger question betrayed. the bigger question for me is what on earth was matt hancock doing getting in bed with the attractive blonde journalist isabel oakeshott in the first place? so expound on that for me. do you think that it was do you think dare i say that might have been a bit thick. that well, she has usp as a journalist her whole you know

her skill as a journalist is stiffing politicians. that's she does and she does it really and she's got a fantastic budget blog. who could forget ? in 2015, blog. who could forget? in 2015, she released her biography on david cameron and who could forget the story david cameron doing unspeakable things with a pig's doing unspeakable things with a pig's head because he was a great tabloid news story. the truth of it , even isabel great tabloid news story. the truth of it, even isabel is a bit sketchy about whether actually happened or not. we'll never know . but i do quite like never know. but i do quite like the way the telegraph has pulled this whole thing. the lockdown file was the kind of x—files where, you know, the truth is out there. we're just not quite sure where is at the moment. yes, it is. and that now. i can't believe i this on national television. i have to say that david cameron vehemently denies that a thing on with a pig so that a thing on with a pig so that we go through that record and that's important to that across to the nation. paul it would a shame, obviously, if

anyone thought otherwise. but yes, do you think this is yes, so do you think this is maybe bad thing , though, in maybe a bad thing, though, in the round for journalism maybe a bad thing, though, in the round forjournalism because people. i was going to say people. well, i was going to say don't trust as they are to don't trust as they are going to be anyway. if anyone wants be anyway. but if anyone wants to have autobiography to go and have an autobiography written or tell a source something is supposed to be done on of confidentiality on the basis of confidentiality and i mean, on the basis of confidentiality and is i mean, on the basis of confidentiality and is oakeshott i mean, on the basis of confidentiality and is oakeshott actuallynean, on the basis of confidentiality and is oakeshott actually broken how is oakeshott actually broken one of the key tenets of journalism ? she has and again journalism? she has and again she does have form for this. again it hasn't come as a shock to any us. i was briefly back in day isabel's boss at the evening standard and have to say that even back then i mean i was very much her boss. i was the desk and she was kind of the most junior junior reporter. and she was kind of the most juniorjunior reporter. but i just tell you how even then she scared the pants me. she was there was something about isabel that makes a very, very good journalist, a formidable journalist, a formidable journalist . journalist, a formidable journalist. but journalist, a formidable journalist . but she seems journalist, a formidable

journalist. but she seems kind of untouchable , old with the of untouchable, old with the morality the rest of us struggle with a little bit as journalists , we all have a fluid grasp of morality . but my line in the morality. but my line in the sand and there's my in the sand, which is right in front of me and seems to be a long way off in the father extends somewhere, you know, she just seems untroubled she's not amoral. she's not a bad person . she's she's not a bad person. she's just she's kind of amoral. i felt this age, know, years felt this age, you know, years ago, she she just wasn't troubled herself so much with morality because there's a story to got and she will get the and isupposeiti to got and she will get the and i suppose it i suppose in this in this sense as well she could and probably would argue that she's maybe dealing with people here who struggle with here who also struggle with morality, i.e. the politicians involved here, and that she clearly did not feel as though the truth or this particular version , the truth would ever version, the truth would ever come out and therefore it was justified the public interest justified in the public interest for to us know all of this information. if you as a as an

edhon information. if you as a as an editor, would you have run this 7 editor, would you have run this ? yes, i think her point about the public interest is valid. it's closest the line than you might think, but it is valid. it's absolutely right and proper that the people who vote, these people in know as much about them as as we can. and if that means behind scene stuff, it really does mean behind the scenes stuff more than the kind of stage managed stuff that we get spoon fed , you know, day get spoon fed, you know, day after day. so i am with isabel that that there really a public interest defence here. the only thing is at the end of the day, all we've discovered is that the government were headless chickens at the start of the covid crisis , and we kind of covid crisis, and we kind of knew that already . i did covid crisis, and we kind of knew that already. i did a great deal detail and it has. but the bigger picture that we didn't know government didn't know any more than we did what was going on with this covid these

horrible covid thing and much to that, but so but i think she was there a public interest defence and i'm sure if she has to she will use it . yeah. look, paul, will use it. yeah. look, paul, thank you very, very much. stuff that paul bobin the head of comments at the express, says it is possible to scare the pants off somehow . very off paul bull, but somehow. very much . it's like off paul bull, but somehow. very much. it's like a off paul bull, but somehow. very much . it's like a right now. much. it's like a right now. matt hancock has released a statement and we can bring that to you now. he 1 am hugely disappointed and sound at the massive betrayal and breach trust by isabel oakeshott. there is absolutely public interest case for this huge . all the case for this huge. all the materials the book have materials for the book have already been made available to the inquiry, which is the right and for everything to be and only for everything to be considered and for the considered properly and for the right lessons learned. right lessons to be learned. 1 think could memorise this now? think i could memorise this now? very we have seen very so many as we have seen releasing in this way gives a partial biased account to see. it's anti—lockdown agenda. partial biased account to see. it's youi—lockdown agenda. partial biased account to see. it's you very kdown agenda. partial biased account to see. it's you very much, agenda. partial biased account to see. it's you very much, matt. a. partial biased account to see. it's you very much, matt. now thank you very much, matt. now lots getting in lots of you've been getting in touch your thoughts touch with your thoughts on hancock a of hancock saying he's a victim of a massive after 100,000 of his whatsapp messages were leaked. now, don from ringwood says of

course this is a betrayal if these texts were being hidden then it would be in the public interest. but their words is a typical journalists typical example. journalists feathering and feathering their own nest and creating when, not because it creating an when, not because it is still subject to an independent inquiry. i think the question there is really well all i got might have handed this stuff over to the inquiry . any stuff over to the inquiry. any of it have seen the light of day. can trust an inquiry and beanng day. can trust an inquiry and bearing mind. and this is from the other side , the coin, the other side, the coin, the story that's today and story that's broken today and i will be talking about this later . dan wootton cheek . i cover for dan wootton cheek little plug i'll be i'm not sure that about sue gray who was in charge of the inquiry into partygate well she's just got to start work at labour party apparently so . would you even apparently so. would you even trust this particular trust that this particular wouldn't covered up well? wouldn't be covered up as well? kevin folkestone says it in kevin folkestone says is it in the public interest to know that there were disagreements at the highest level that we're dealing with the most difficult situation times? and situation in modern times? and there bound a conflict of there bound to be a conflict of opinion. get that. opinion. i get that. i understand you're saying.

understand what you're saying. i will just add to that by saying that it does appear as well, though, it wasn't just though, that it wasn't just disagreements being disagreements they were being told the scientific told that maybe the scientific they using was flawed and they were using was flawed and that possibly they jumped the when it came to actually put it into a second lockdown and they possibly shouldn't have done that. possibly shouldn't have done that . and essentially we've that. and so essentially we've been lied to. and was there a psychodrama playing out behind the scenes as to whether or not we should be sending kids to we should be sending the kids to or it e go that was or not? was it e go that was ruling policy as opposed to evidence? can i just ask politely well, if you do, politely as well, if you do, emmalin, do you actually care about this matt hancock stuff and gb news dot uk just purely because i've got a that i'm going to end up having to talk about this possibly for days on end and. it would be nice for me to know whether or not you give a hoot. connie says my uncle feels betrayed. poor thing. well, what we, public, well, guess what we, the public, feel welcome to our feel by him. welcome to our world, would get us world, matt. okay would get us enough of that. now, moving on. i do want to talk a lot about this particular story because . this particular story because. this actually opens up, i think,

a really fascinating wider discussion about the way we deal with or don't with terrorism in the community and potential radicalisation of people at mosques. now third and final report into the 2017 manchester bombing has been released and the inquiry found that the security service m15 missed a chance to take action that might have prevented the attack which killed 22 people. now speaking out the inquiry chairman sir john saunders stated the officers should have acted more quickly . information came officers should have acted more quickly. information came in but couldn't to a conclusion as to whether would have prevented the attack. let's look and listen to this show it have found a significant missed opportunity to take action that might prevented the attack . it is not prevented the attack. it is not possible reach any conclusion on the balance of probabilities or to other evidential standard as to other evidential standard as to whether the attack would have prevented. however there was a

real possibility that intelligence could have been obtained which might led to action preventing . the attack . action preventing. the attack. right. so the mother of victim martin hatt also spoke out following the findings , the following the findings, the report, and she said that more cohesion communication between all emergency services would be needed to make total. nothing like this happens again. now this is the security elements of it. it's important to say that our secret services and our intelligence services keep us safe single day, more safe every single day, more times more than we will times in more ways than we will ever. times in more ways than we will ever . course, things ever. of course, some things supped ever. of course, some things slipped through the net. but when you have a look at the package of misgivings really about this particular individual, libya, came individual, he to libya, he came back anyway. let's just listen to what she had to say now and then we'll go to a wanted discussion about all of this. all three volumes point to an abundance of mistake and failures by a raft . different failures by a raft. different organisations , services and organisations, services and people we need more cohesion and

communication between our service is we need a more efficient system in place to ensure the different pieces of the jigsaw . together they are the jigsaw. together they are here to point fingers . the here to point fingers. the bottom line is everyone who made mistakes. every service that lacking on the night, every organisation who missed something in the lead up to the attack is now about their failings . attack is now about their failings. okay so attack is now about their failings . okay so undoubtedly failings. okay so undoubtedly there were security failings and we know that because a bomb went off in an arena full of children and 22 people died. so yes , and 22 people died. so yes, clearly security failings but are also other failings here. and these are not being given , i and these are not being given, i would argue, as much prominence as maybe they should be. and in fact, some would say on the same day this is, well, a problem in our home secretaries out and said that political correctness getting the way of tackling getting in the way of tackling radical islam in fact in radical islam and in fact in some ways promoting it on the same is that we are seeing same day is that we are seeing evidence being given us an inquiry that didsbury mosque, which was attended by, the arena

bomber, was guilty of, quote, wilful blindness to highly charged debate about libya. now, the have said it's not an active cause. these radicalisation. but then the families and representatives of the families still on the steps outside the inquest really did hammer inquest and really did hammer that particular mosque say what was going on in that was not right. what i am reading is a lot headlines about mosque defends itself. i just wonder whether or not that's a bit of a skewed way of looking at things because the mosque does defend itself. we're also hearing reports and i'm some now reports and i'm reading some now about that the about the fact that the manchester inquiry claims manchester arena inquiry claims that abedi is bomber, that salman abedi is the bomber, that salman abedi is the bomber, that family significant that his family had significant responsibility for radicalisation. in radicalisation. so we've got in the in the community the home and in the community here should not be more of a here should not not be more of a concern do concern for people. i do understand, that understand, of course, that there are security failings as well. be quite keen to drill well. but be quite keen to drill down on earth. this is down into why on earth. this is happening a cellular happening almost as a cellular both the family and in the both in the family and in the community is isn't community and why more is isn't being this because being about this because i suspect there's potentially down to people being to to people maybe being afraid to actually things but in the actually raise things but in the past m15 general ken

past our m15 general ken mccallum has said he is profoundly sorry that m15 did not prevent the attack adding that he deeply regrets that such intelligence was obtained right . we're going to talk about that .we're going to talk about that a second or two, because i have just been delivered some breaking news for you. so let's have it, shall confirmation of the break. confirmation of the breaking news does make it breaking news does not make it double news? i brought breaking news does not make it douiae news? i brought breaking news does not make it douia little news? i brought breaking news does not make it douia little bit news? i brought breaking news does not make it douia little bit earlier,’ i brought breaking news does not make it douia little bit earlier, labourjht you a little bit earlier, labour say keir starmer is say that, sir keir starmer is delighted intends delighted that. sue gray intends to take on the role of his chief of staff . sue gray led the of staff. sue gray led the inquiry into politics and this is what's important actually genuinely can't believe this is happening so sue gray led the inquiry into policy and clearly absolutely has hammered boris johnson on several of the people who allegedly actually were hammered which is part of the problem of partygate wasn't it? and it confirmed today that and it was confirmed today that she resigned her job in she has resigned from herjob in the cabinet office and a labour spokesman and it's now said that labour offered sue the labour has offered sue gray the role to the

role of chief staff to the leader of the opposition. so sue gray could well now be keir starmer's chief of staff. they go on to say they understand she hopes to accept the role subject to the normal procedures. i wonder what they are. but yes, i mean , this right is this fact mean, this right is this fact just this complete the on demand policy, is it completely undermines the reasons undermines some of the reasons why johnson does it why boris johnson does it completely the completely undermine the attitudes of boris johnson and show frankly, maybe there was big left wing backing core behind was going on when it came to what boris johnson allegedly described as the greatest stitch up since that by a tapestry which is of course policy kate do you think he should be allowed the sue grey's fronted it gate has now gone and supposedly anyway he's going to be chief of staff for sir keir starmer. i actually think that's quite a bad for the labour party , but i would go no doubt this will rumble on that's the breaking news that sue gray who sounds like a librarian or maybe an assistant teacher but was actually the cabinet office actually in the cabinet office is for labour. so

is going to work for labour. so again, coming classes, again, coming up art classes, knitting gardening probably knitting and gardening probably all the things that you'd all of the things that you'd want by the want to be prescribed by the doctor. but activities like this could take the place of paracetamol, non propofol soon. so if you've got a headache , go so if you've got a headache, go out in chicago and do some gardening . but unless you gardening. but unless you gardens in the countryside because if you are listening earlier you will have learned that countryside is now that the countryside is now racist. .

next okay, people, i've got loads coming. your way. apparently the british countryside , not just british countryside, not just a nice peaceful place of daffodils and whatever else , it is and whatever else, it is obviously a hotbed of racism and something must be done about it. yes, this the latest interaction from the guardian . said from the guardian. he said that the countryside essentially is full many white people. full of too many white people. now you what now we've been asking you what you about all of this and

you think about all of this and lots of you have responded in kind. countryside kind. patrick, the countryside is racist. it's nice. people is not racist. it's nice. people can to see racism can choose to see racism anywhere they want and anywhere if they want to. and that keith. thank very that is from keith. thank very much, big question is much, keith. the big question is around this as to whether or not accessibility the countryside accessibility of the countryside aid to people who are of ethnic minority demographics is indeed a thing. well i mean a lot of people have taken to the inbox to point out that the countryside does tend to be quite a wide open space. people can walk in. and so shouldn't be too much of a problem there. the other a lot you've been other thing a lot of you've been emailing matt hancock emailing about is matt hancock saying he's a victim of a massive betrayal, 100,000 whatsapp messages released. diana he's been diana he has been he's been betrayed. big time she says although believe that although i don't believe that she's it for the sake the she's done it for the sake the country. she's just a self—serving, untrustworthy individual, a strong stuff. that is course, saying that is what, of course, saying that she's it for the public she's done it for the public interest, bob says rightly, or how she might view hancock. she not have disclosed private messages . not have disclosed private messages. i'm going to get a few of your responses before i go to

a guest in a second on the breaking news that we just brought which that brought you, which is that the labour chief staff is, labour new chief of staff is, apparently gray and might apparently sue gray and might remember that name because sue gray partygate, isn't gray is off of partygate, isn't she ? boris johnson describe she? boris johnson did describe it the greatest up since the it as the greatest up since the by a tapestry. well, how do you feel about fact that the feel about the fact that the lady that has just jumped lady behind that has just jumped ship and gone to the labour party? don't think not cast the whole thing into doubt. is this not mean that boris johnson maybe has a case now to think, well, this whole report me well, was this whole report me actually quite biased the actually quite biased from the start it done by someone who start was it done by someone who was an allegiance the labour was an allegiance to the labour party. of course to party. sue gray of course yet to respond have to get respond so we'll have to get more on that more information on all of that a lot you very angry about it a lot of you very angry about it what are very very angry what are you very very angry about it that so—called civil servant sue gray christine thinks a traitor , which of thinks she's a traitor, which of course you'd sue gray. one would imagine, would vehemently you know, be shunned know, she should be shunned by everyone is everyone in. gosh, this is christine is casting sue grey out. i really like the fact that sue gray has got such a normal sounding name and i think that

makes it innocent really doesn't it. but said that we go yes, like i said i'm going to be talking the breaking talking about the breaking news. i'm going to be talking about whether not countryside whether or not the countryside is going to is racist and i'm also going to be talking the very latest when it comes matt hancock and it comes to matt hancock and indeed, lockdown files . indeed, these lockdown files. and a lot of people a lot of people getting in touch about that.1s people getting in touch about that. is he right to criticise teaching unions as well? this the other thing because basically matt hancock and gavin williamson between them managed to call the teaching unions quite names and say that they were work shy now i wonder whether or not there's any truth that i'll get your views coming in before we have a debate on this because was that, do you think a case that the teachers actually had it really good dunng actually had it really good during pandemic? unions during the pandemic? the unions seem they wanted was seem to get what they wanted was for to out of for the kids to stay out of school from where i'm sitting. and got not really and they then got to not really do exams. the teachers do their exams. the teachers could mark own homework, they could mark own homework, so they could mark own homework, so they could the kids could basically give the kids the then they the grades and then they presumably to that presumably got to hit that target . then they're out target. and then now they're out on lines. they can

on picket lines. they can we have to how hard we have a pay rise to how hard we worked during pandemic. i'm not sure that makes too sense. gb views gb don't make sure views or gb news don't make sure you of those coming and you keep all of those coming and see sue grades popping up are going be box. it's going to be in box. it's a foregone conclusion. boris was hung dry by sue gray it's hung out to dry by sue gray it's inevitable harriet harman hung out to dry by sue gray it's inev dorle harriet harman hung out to dry by sue gray it's inev do same. harriet harman hung out to dry by sue gray it's inev do same. goodiet harman hung out to dry by sue gray it's inev do same. good grief. rman hung out to dry by sue gray it's inev do same. good grief. yes.| will do same. good grief. yes. so of course, very, so lots of you, of course, very, very angry about that breaking news that just brought you, news that we just brought you, which sue gray now which is sue gray has now decided join the decided to go and join the labour party. well, look, like i said, back, we're said, when we come back, we're going to delve into the world of whether teaching unions whether or not teaching unions are. it's a we're are. indeed, it's a we're beginning will beginning with that which i will reserve the news reserve for after the news headunes reserve for after the news headlines whether or not headlines and whether or not they're . that appears to be they're lazy. that appears to be what and gavin what matt hancock and gavin williamson i'm also williamson have said. i'm also going be returning to that going to be returning to that story whether or not story about whether or not countryside actually racist. countryside is actually racist. do that it is should do you think that it is should all be done to try to entice people ethnic minority people of ethnic minority backgrounds into the countryside or ? is it just hear me out on or? is it just hear me out on this, people. could it possibly just be that in the latest census , 2% of the population

census, 2% of the population happens to be white and in rural areas that happens to be fewer ethnic minority communities dare 7 ethnic minority communities dare ? i say it. could that just be the reason why the countryside is majority ? we're going to talk is majority? we're going to talk about all of this in just a matter of moments. but first, i'll come with you over now's your latest headlines with polly middlehurst . at 530, these are middlehurst. at 530, these are the latest news headlines from the latest news headlines from the and m15 director general says he is profoundly sorry that his security agency did not prevent the attack following the inquiry into the manchester arena bombing. the report found the security service failed to act on information relating the suicide bomber, salman abedi , suicide bomber, salman abedi, which at the time was not assessed as terror related . it assessed as terror related. it also found obeidi could have been arrested at manchester airport just four days before he went on to kill 22 people at the ariana grande concert. security

minister tom tugendhat says m15 , has made changes since the attack . i know that all of us attack. i know that all of us are working to make sure that the improvements that need to be made are made. already more , made are made. already more, than 100 changes have been done . and no doubt this report will highlight others . the home highlight others. the home secretary and i support m15 in making those . and police making those. and police investigating the death of a missing baby who was found brighton in sussex last night. the newborn may have been dead for some time. the remains were in woodland, close to where constance martin and mark gordon were arrested monday. the couple had evaded for more than seven weeks and refused to any information on the location or welfare of their baby. they are currently being held on suspicion of , gross neglect . and suspicion of, gross neglect. and laboun suspicion of, gross neglect. and labour, sources told gb news sue gray has been hired as a keir starmer chief of staff. as you've been hearing, the senior

civil servant, let the into partygate . it's understood she partygate. it's understood she resigned her role in the office to take up the position in the labour party. a downing street says the resignation has been accepted with immediate effect . accepted with immediate effect. those are your latest news headlines. i'm in half an hour. see them . see them. okay, people, it's very nearly the in the song. certainly i've been waiting for the lockdown files have revealed the man gavin williamson used choice language to describe teaching unions . they called them and i'm unions. they called them and i'm going be having a debate as to whether or not indeed they are. don't go anywhere. jacob don't go anywhere. i'm jacob rees—mogg , member of parliament rees—mogg, member of parliament for north east somerset , a for north east somerset, a former minister. for former government minister. for years corridors of years walked the corridors of power in both westminster and the city of london. i campaigned in the democratic vote in the largest democratic vote in the largest democratic vote in story. i know this in ireland story. i know this country has so much to proud of. we need to have the arguments , we need to have the arguments,

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channel welcome back. now a warning . a welcome back. now a warning. a warning that matt hancock and gavin are not the biggest of teaching unions. apparently and that some choice language was used to describe them. with the former health calling them absolute loose teachers furious. but now sir gavin laid into them even further. according to him, they just hate to work . as they just hate to work. as teachers go on this month, demanding fully pay rises, i'm asking ,

demanding fully pay rises, i'm asking, aren't teaching unions? indeed. asking, aren't teaching unions? indeed . with me now socialist indeed. with me now socialist party industrial organiser and trade unionist rob williams and political commentator peter bowers . thank political commentator peter bowers. thank you very political commentator peter bowers . thank you very much, bowers. thank you very much, peter. teachers unions. no, i don't think they are, but i do i don't think they are, but i do i do rather enjoy this great moral izing that's coming out of trade unions and teachers the moment? it's just. are you telling me the trade unions have said nothing about nothing disparaging about gavin williamson hancock and williamson or matt hancock and in this entire kerfuffle been going on, it's just one of these stories where all been stories where it's all been blown proportion because blown out of proportion because everybody they're everybody likes to think they're a they are. a person than they really are. and for that's all and that's for me, that's all this is. i'll throw it over to you. you are indeed a trade unionist, rob even ask . well, as unionist, rob even ask. well, as others need to say. i mean, listen , you know, sir gavin and listen, you know, sir gavin and matt hancock , i mean, honestly, matt hancock, 1 mean, honestly, you know , i think parents would you know, i think parents would be looking at those two and they will be looking teachers. i'll tell you what i know. we parents

will be supporting new parents. trust issue. it is isn't is the results of these about enough shows? i think they really think the issue is that teachers pubuc the issue is that teachers public sector where we all work. it's the contempt and disrespect they've been shown by the government in a cost of living squeeze. that's the issue, isn't it ? okay. well, does this show , it? okay. well, does this show, do you think, peter, a contempt for teachers unions? because 1 gavin williamson would argue he was desperate to try to keep the schools open. and he clearly felt that was some self—serving resistance yeah i think resistance there. yeah i think there's a point to that but we also have to remember that these what's happened within a context happened the within within covid. obviously, this was a pressure on both sides of this. and, you know , obviously, people and, you know, obviously, people say in what's messages say things in what's messages that they don't to be that they don't expect to be leaked you know, leaked to press. you know, everybody has frustrations. and some just to and some people just like to and these be taken these comments be taken completely out context again and like i say , this great like i say, this great moralising is unlike i'd love to

see some of the whatsapp . of the see some of the whatsapp. of the teachers unions see whether anything disparaging has been said in their because i bet there has been and it's one of those things that yeah parents might be annoyed with matt hancock but hancock so. gavin williamson but let's, also be honest let's, let's also be honest that, you know, support for teachers unions is up and down all the time. so one of those things around about things i think if i went through your phone now i find some i shouldn't say thing you call me you know mean i wouldn't like you know i mean i wouldn't like to believe that what, you know is just whatsapp messages. it doesn't really heat of the moment . no, but look , moment stuff. no, but look, let's put out a salute. let's at the context it's in because the context like what was taking place at that time was that teachers forget teachers did work covid, the schools open because it was deemed essential to keep key workers in and you don't think it was tens. to keep key workers in and you don't think it was tens . that don't think it was tens. that was the point i'm making it was that those teachers teachers did

stay in work, at least a significant number of them , and significant number of them, and they risked lives. some of them lost lives. and of course not, just teachers, but other public sector workers . so, you know , we sector workers. so, you know, we all know the catalyst cut the way this government with covid. we know about way that some of them bent and you know, actually , you know, disobeyed the rules that they that were set on covid, but actually the people they attacked other who were in they attacked other who were in the frontline . okay. i'll let the frontline. okay. i'll let you come on that then, peter. i mean , you think that in the mean, you think that in the light of the fact that teachers i light of the fact that teachers 1 were teachers unions qualified i were teachers unions qualified that were reluctant. i think it's fair to say to get the schools open exams, for example, in particularly take place. and now we do appear to see teachers out on strike wanting more money for their efforts during the coronavirus you have coronavirus crisis. do you have sympathy matt hancock sympathy for what matt hancock and williamson saying, and gavin williamson was saying, it's just one of those things. i think teachers did a great job throughout think throughout covid. i think everybody best that

everybody tried the best that they could. like, like you said, there's public there's lots of different public sector lots of sector workers and lots of people in the private sector as well that often overlooked well that are often overlooked that continue to work that have to continue to work through it's one through our covid. so it's one of things you're of those things where you're saying lives risk. saying put their lives at risk. a people put their lives a lot of people put their lives at risk this isn't a unique thing and it's also i think you just made really important just made a really important point a distinction between comments union comments about the trade union comment about teachers themselves. this themselves. this is a this is a really important distinction that, not like that, you know, it's not like he's a go at every single he's had a go at every single teacher he's talking about about trade and kind trade unions. and they're kind of opposition least of rather opposition or at least their unwillingness times to their unwillingness at times to work the work constructively with the government, whether government, which seen whether it kind of medical trade it be any kind of medical trade union to teachers union or union or to teachers union or any at the moment there any union at the moment there the automatic the pushback is the automatic response and there's been a sudden somewhat a lack of sudden somewhat of a lack of constructive together. constructive working together. i think. i do think i'm we're going to have to wrap this up now. but robert, do you think that you make quite a good point, which is the point, actually which is the idea gavin williamson on idea that gavin williamson on matt would any way matt hancock would in any way have as inherently have come across as inherently more likeable about the trade

unionists. difficult a unionists. it difficult is a tough pick it , to see tough pick isn't it, to see which of political which side of the political you'd actually prefer? it's about a bad time with abela. thank very much you and thank you very much both you and i appreciate good natured thank you very much both you and i apprewhich good natured thank you very much both you and i apprewhich that)od natured thank you very much both you and i apprewhich that debate jred thank you very much both you and i apprewhich that debate was way in which that debate was done as well. and apologies for my loaded question earlier, especially a policy decision organiser, is rob organiser, a trade is rob williams and politico peter barnes. matt hancock has barnes. now matt hancock has released a statement yes , released a statement which yes, i i could probably resign i think i could probably resign from i've it often, from now. i've read it often, but he said hugely disappointed from now. i've read it often, but sadaid hugely disappointed from now. i've read it often, but sad and1ugely disappointed from now. i've read it often, but sad and agely disappointed from now. i've read it often, but sad and a massive ppointed from now. i've read it often, but sad and a massive betrayal and sad and a massive betrayal and. breach of trust by isabel oakeshott there. absolutely no pubuc oakeshott there. absolutely no public interest case for this huge breach. all the materials for that book have already be made available to the inquiry, which is the right and only place for everything to be considered properly and the right. to be learned right. lessons to be learned concrete. as we have seen releasing in this way is partial bias account to susan anti—lockdown agenda . you very anti—lockdown agenda. you very much, matt . now, is our much, matt. now, is our countryside a racist ? some countryside a racist? some campaigners seem think so. activists say more must be done to open up spaces to those of

difference backgrounds or ethnicity . i struggle to get ethnicity. i struggle to get that because the countryside by definition is an open space. but are people genuinely excluded . are people genuinely excluded. outside of britain's urban areas. and should we paint village dwellers with the same big racist brush. with me is gareth wyn jones, a welsh farmer? gareth, thank you very . farmer? gareth, thank you very. great to have you on the show. i can see you are clearly standing somewhere deeply racist now because you in the countryside. gareth is the countryside racist . gosh by a long way. not racist. the soil , . gosh by a long way. not racist. the soil, you . gosh by a long way. not racist. the soil , you know. it's racist. the soil, you know. it's fantastic to get people out to you. just go down the road just. down the road, a place called berkeley and great good as a beautiful area. people come from all over the country to visit. it's got a lovely waterfall . it's got a lovely waterfall. and, you know , lot of the people and, you know, lot of the people we meet there and go up to the mountain gates. a lot of them are asian and they love coming

to that area and they keep coming back. if you go into bangalore , you know, a bangalore, you know, a university city and a lot of the people that travel into the countryside to enjoy it . so countryside to enjoy it. so i don't know where some of these people get these ideas from, you know? well, i think it's just. yeah, very left wing. well joke, to be honest with . right. i'd to be honest with. right. i'd say next thursday that what you really think, gareth, but just on this , people are saying on this, people are saying there's an article that's been published again today, which is that the vast majority that because the vast majority of in the countryside who live there are white that that is in some way a problem and it can make people feel uncomfortable . make people feel uncomfortable. how would you respond to that ? how would you respond to that? well i don't want to use the word but it it starts with both and it finishes with something else. so we have a most of tours appear most two as people come from all the world, all

religions, all ethnicities. they come up here to visit my family's been on this farm 375 years. you know, this what we have been doing our lives on without these people , you know, without these people, you know, that come and visit and come and buy our food at the end of the day, farmers, you a lot of people are in the countryside on these people because . they're these people because. they're these people because. they're the ones that pay our bills because they're the ones that are buying up beef lamb our vegetables our fruits you know everything that we produce in the that's been bought by our consumers and customers on they'll be from every single day so i really think it's rubbish to be honest with you and if you go on a lot of these farms, there'll be different people from different parts of the world working that as well and it really won't be. it really worries that, you know, i'm 1 used to be blamed that i'm i'm white but but one thing in life

one thing that gets me gareth is this is the idea that in some way people are being priced out of living in the country. i don't think a lot of people have this image that the fact that everyone who lives in the countryside has got this massive plot of land and that actually there's a big house that and that they're very, very wealthy. now, might a big now, whilst that might be a big plot and there might plot of land and there might because the fact because the big house the fact is gareth the rural poverty a thing isn't it. so the notion that someone might be priced out of just to the of either just getting to the countryside or living there for example true, example is it's not really true, is. no the farmers have had to diversify diversify into to tourism, you know, and to put in caravans or glamping pods onto their farms so they can make a living, you know, and we need people to come and visit and money with wood that's in the wall to literally a lot of farmers are very rich. you know they'll have a lot of land that's worth a of money but they can never sell well they can do it . they just want to give up

it. they just want to give up the job or, get out with the job. but if they're always thinking the next generation, you know, have to look after it. well one of the things our family has always said, you know, that when have this land and when we pass it on, we're passing it on a way it's not. we're it. and that's really important . the countryside. so important. the countryside. so when we bring people onto these farms, onto our farms, immersive tourism, they go in a way with an understanding of what we do here and it's really really important that, you know that we're not plus the three because that's what these people are trying to do they're trying to divide the divide the countryside talking and that's not right we need to build better bridges so people an understanding of how food is reduced seasonality bringing them back into the circle of food and you know it's beginning to look like spring here it's warm the sun sets and it's beautiful and i my tourism season is just to start. i'm so

excited to be having people from all over the world for another summer of magic. i've said you've sold it. fantastic stuff, gareth. thank you very much gareth. thank you very much gareth wyn jones who is of course welsh. and just quickly, i was just quickly. sorry, where did you say that? local place was? around the from me was? around the corner from me there wales, the name of there in. wales, the name of it. i better going directed it. it's not just about the usual way, is it. yeah you can try somebody please and get go get it here winthrop. where santa cecilia go google that's only about 50 miles me. beautiful i'll miles from me. a beautiful i'll i'll pop . ambassador thank you i'll pop. ambassador thank you very much gareth great stuff right lots of you've been getting in search of thoughts on seniors . civil servant c grey seniors. civil servant c grey who investigated covid lockdown gatherings , downing street, no gatherings, downing street, no sewers , resigned and has been sewers, resigned and has been offered the job of labour leader sir keir starmer's , chief of sir keir starmer's, chief of staff. believe it or not. well, if whitland says, well if we needed confirmation , boris was needed confirmation, boris was set up this it no good saying

she was an impartial investigator when it's clear that she was batting for labour all the time. even a son is the of two labour organisations. well that is interesting. obviously i have to look into that, but i take your word that, but i will take your word for at this stage anyway. for it at this stage anyway. yeah so if you are joining yeah so if you are just joining us, this is the woman who is behind the partygate investigation, johnson, as behind the partygate irhave gation, johnson, as behind the partygate irhave said,1, johnson, as behind the partygate irhave said, claimed ohnson, as behind the partygate irhave said, claimed thaton, as behind the partygate irhave said, claimed that it, as behind the partygate irhave said, claimed that it was i have said, claimed that it was the greatest up since the the greatest stitch up since the by a tapestry, which is a fantastic that he fantastic line from bojo that he went to those people what people disgraced etc. how dare you all this big publicly. disgraced etc. how dare you all this big publicly . well why does this big publicly. well why does it turn out now that lady who is behind report off to be the behind that report off to be the chief of staff , the labour chief of staff, the labour party, does that not maybe undermine certain things ? how undermine certain things? how was the investigation, by the way, keir starmer having a way, into keir starmer having a corner and an affair in durham ? corner and an affair in durham? collins says it seems that it now appears a labour found the tory leader guilty of an independent inquiry. now so grave all his work was in a civil service. essentially she will, i imagine, claim she was

neutral and everything. does it mean that she's now nailing her political colours to the mast, or is she going to say. political colours to the mast, or is she going to say . well, or is she going to say. well, actually, i can do a job as a chief of staff, just simply as a job by political agencies. but it very fishy, doesn't it? mike's she was a senior civil servant . asked by boris johnson servant. asked by boris johnson to partygate, she wrote to report based on evidence available and off she's left cabinet office have to resigning so has every right take whatever job she wants or is offered. the job she wants or is offered. the job is keir chief of staff is subject to approval the advisory committee. well obviously they're to lma you either they're going to lma you either knows exactly where all the bodies are buried when it comes to politics. yeah come on in, please. david i can't see what the issue is. she was asked to investigate partygate after the event by then prime minister bofis event by then prime minister boris has a boris johnson. he has a very much that particular much to suggest that particular coin. get back now coin. okay let's get back now to a story i in the last hour. a story that i in the last hour. now, this is this is interesting so a green party councillor walked out important walked out of an important council meeting after he was

repeatedly now danny keeling who uses the pronouns they in them was very unhappy when new home council chairman winston vaughan misgendered them. and so walked off. but unfortunately when vaughan apologised he still couldn't get it right . and i couldn't get it right. and i happened to person i think it is quite funny. here's happened we've got we've got i believe we've got we've got i believe we've got we've got i believe we've got a video of we have this of this well bungled apology i miss representing the councillors name should have said the rather than he so i do apologise for that and i think that's what's affected him. is it so have this . yes. so my it so have this. yes. so my apologies to him for misquoting again for them sorry thank you very much . again for them sorry thank you very much. right. again for them sorry thank you very much . right. well there we

very much. right. well there we go. so that is that is basically the bungled apology, isn't it? but what is actually fascinating that we of course, we that in the last hour and we decided that we were just going to have a quick a quick look through the inbox and i got an email in here and it appears to be from the man danny keeling and man himself, danny keeling and it appears to be from the official email address. official official email address. so, so clearly this particular was watching the show and he decided to get in touch . that's decided to get in touch. that's him. in case you wanted to tell them. them. it's hard to tell, isn't is it? is you wouldn't know, would you ? you just know, would you? you just wouldn't know, he says , unsure wouldn't know, he says, unsure why my story is so important . why my story is so important. you. but i did wish to add some that the chair outside of these meetings a history of being disrespectful and also the borough i represent to the onus has the most amount of transgender residents . he does transgender residents. he does go on he says lgbt history month and etc, etc. so that go. all right so danny , how do you say

right so danny, how do you say thank you very much for getting in touch, danny. and you are, of course, welcome to come on the show you so wish. now next up show if you so wish. now next up is co with a wonderful is dewbs& co with a wonderful michelle dewberry michel. normally we rush but i'm normally we rush this, but i'm told we've got we've told that we've got we've got a couple of here. oh good couple of minutes here. oh good job. down a nice warm job. i've sat down a nice warm drink. self comfortable drink. yes, i'm self comfortable and indeed. you are and cosy indeed. you know, are you going bother to us? what you going to bother to us? what is coming up or are you going to basically say we're going to find out same thing find out the same thing to as what i say, which is if what i always say, which is if you to know going on you want to know what's going on in programme on in the best programme on television, got to tune in and watch it. yes okay. oh, so what do of that particular do you make of that particular individual, bungled apology, individual, the bungled apology, someone being misgendered and then because people then walking out because people are well that are saying, well hasn't that council fix council got potholes to fix rising people's houses, rising damp in people's houses, poverty need collecting. poverty bins need collecting. why are they even talking about. well, i'm not a massive fan of compel speech. i have to say, if somebody to take a common word that most people would associate plural collective , apply it to plural collective, apply it to themselves, that is their choice is a free country. but when you start saying that, you know, you

have to commit and have to commit this and otherwise i want apologies and, all so that's all the rest. so i think that's all the rest. so i think that's a stretch too far, although i have to say i've, a little have to say i've, got a little boy got long hair. right. boy that's got long hair. right. and i lose track of how many times people will say to me, i don't know , in a playground don't know, in a playground waiting to go on the slide and someone will say, oh, it's okay. well go down first. or, well let her go down first. or, you know, your little you know, do want your little girl go there and i'm like, girl to go there and i'm like, it's a boy is a do you tell them straight or do you want straight away or do you want take advantage of it? because that way, if you did decide to correct denying correct them, you are denying your chance to go first your son. the chance to go first down well my son is down the slide. well my son is a very polite boy and he knows you after you tend . we don't after where you tend. we don't pushin after where you tend. we don't push in based on genders. in my household can tell you we don't get female preference or anything got really long anything he's got really long hair does think is hair and everyone does think is a by the way boys can have a go by the way boys can have long hair too by the way, although if i had my way work done, black said, which is probably a bit much anyway. i was listening to your racism conversation about god you qualify that. yeah. i mean

qualify that. yeah. yeah. i mean come on we've come on now. we've got 3 seconds. he got 20 seconds. shoot it. i'll lose. i'll be done with it later on. say bye. goodbye afternoon, alex. deacon with your latest weather update from the met office, most will have a dry again tomorrow. brighter, darker much of the north, whereas in the south after quite a bit of sunshine today it will be cloudy. we've got this low edge area of high pressure continuing to dominate our . i say keeping most our weather. i say keeping most places dry , but with the breeze places dry, but with the breeze coming in from the east, we have seen a few showers coming into parts of southern and the chance of one or two still through the central belt and of southern scotland evening . they scotland into the evening. they should fading. i think should be fading. i think generally the old one for the east of northern as well, but most dry clear skies in most places dry clear skies in west wales, south—west and of course much of northern will allow a frost . most towns and allow a frost. most towns and cities and where it's cloudy will stay above , but will stay above, but nevertheless got a chilly on friday morning with a rather drab starts for sure. a bit of

breeze blowing across kent and, the breeze picking up across the northern islands where there may be a few showers from morning onwards. clouds enough over onwards. the clouds enough over the and eastern england the midlands and eastern england , for the odd light , maybe for the odd light shower. generally it'll be shower. but generally it'll be dry . some sunny spells dry. some sunny spells developing generally developing here and generally a sunny across much of central sunny day across much of central northern scotland to temperatures is around or even a touch below average in the sunshine. it won't feel bad at all, but where it's grey again, quite a cold feel , particularly quite a cold feel, particularly the breeze on some of these eastern coasts. i think as we go through friday evening, we'll see cloud breaking up a little bit more. so we'll see a few more places getting down to freezing as we head into the weekend. morning weekend. so saturday morning starting a certainly starting with a frost certainly across good part scotland across a good part of scotland northern general . northern england's general. again, a of clouds across again, a lot of clouds across south, but we should see some sunny spells over western parts scotland, northwest england and, down to the southwest as well but overall cloudy and a few more showers coming in perhaps to the east of england, certainly across northeast scotland saturday. but scotland during saturday. but apart from that of the

apart from that most of the weekend, dry, but it is weekend, looking dry, but it is going turn colder next week going to turn colder next week when there is the possibility of some .

6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs & co lots to get into is dewbs& co lots to get into tonight. the more five is basically come in for huge criticism because you will be aware that the investigation in manchester arena is produced its final slot today . and get this final slot today. and get this everyone significant opportunities were missed apparently when it comes to stopping that attack. you know, the drill. you know what they say. lessons will be learned, but rarely will. do you trust actually that lessons will be learnt, that things like this will never happen again and so

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