6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs & c0 lots to 6:00 michelle dewberry and this is dewbs & co lots to get into is dewbs& co lots to get into tonight. the more five is basically come in for huge criticism because you will be aware that the investigation in manchester arena is produced its final slot today . and get this final slot today. and get this everyone significant opportunities were missed apparently when it comes to stopping that attack. you know, the drill. you know what they say. lessons will be learned, but rarely will. do you trust actually that lessons will be learnt, that things like this will never happen again and so

great. you remember her from partygate .7 well, she is now partygate.7 well, she is now being offered the job of chief of staff to sir keir starmer. many people in saying that this demonstrates civil service is not impartial , does it.7 or is it not impartial, does it.7 or is it just someone changing jobs, as many of us do.7 danny just someone changing jobs, as many of us do? danny your thoughts and do you have a pet, a cat, for example ? would you a cat, for example? would you kill it to stop the spread of covid 19? goodness gracious me. that was actually a service suggestion that was concerned by the government at one point dunng the government at one point during the pandemic endemic. can you imagine ? i mean, it all got you imagine? i mean, it all got out of hand, didn't it? that is today's instalment of the lockdown diaries. and listen . lockdown diaries. and listen. lee anderson says that poor people basic lee and not as resourceful as they used to be is. he writes that a divided opinion for sure whatever old phone book first up let's get ourselves up to speed, shall we? with tonight's latest headlines with middle . her michelle,

with polly middle. her michelle, thank you and good evening to you. our top story on gb news tonight, m15 as director general says he is profoundly sorry that the security agency did not prevent the manchester arena bombing following the inquiry into the attack . the report into the attack. the report found the security service failed to act on critical intelligence relating to the suicide bomber. salman abedi . it suicide bomber. salman abedi. it also found he could have been arrested at manchester airport four days before he went on to kill 22 people. the ariana grande concert . a lawyer for the grande concert. a lawyer for the family spoke outside the inquiry, saying the victims had been failed at every level. it is clear that salman abedi should have been referred to prevent . it is clear that the prevent. it is clear that the education system needs to be more vigilant in picking up signs of radicalisation . it is signs of radicalisation. it is clear that didsbury mosque turned a blind eye to extremism in its midst. sirjohn's report today contains many lessons we

must heed every one of them and make the necessary changes urgently . well, the security urgently. well, the security minister, tom tugendhat, says mi5 minister, tom tugendhat, says m15 has made changes since the attack. i know that all of us are working to make sure that the improvements that need to be made are made . already more than made are made. already more than 100 changes have been done and no doubt this report will highlight others . the home highlight others. the home secretary and i support m15 in making those changes. in other news today, police investigate the death of a missing baby who was found in brighton last night. say the newborn may have been dead for some time . the been dead for some time. the remains were found in woodland close to where constance marten and mark gordon were arrested on monday . the couple had evaded monday. the couple had evaded the authorities for more than seven weeks and refused to give any information on the location or welfare of their baby. they are currently being held on suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter. at suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter . at this suspicion of gross negligence, manslaughter. at this stage we

have not yet been able to confirm the baby's gender and a post—mortem examination has not yet taken place . despite this, yet taken place. despite this, based on our inquiry we've carried out so far , we believe carried out so far, we believe sadly , the baby may have been sadly, the baby may have been dead for some time before they were found . it's too early for were found. it's too early for to us provide a more specific date . politics now , and a labour date. politics now, and a labour source has told gb news that sue gray has been hired as sir keir starmer's new chief of staff. the senior civil servant led the investigation into partygate. it's understood she resigned her role at the cabinet office to take up the position in the labour party. a downing street spokesman said the resignation had been accepted with immediate effect and the labour leader is delighted . and john swinney has delighted. and john swinney has confirmed he'll step down as deputy first minister of scotland. sweeney's announcement follows the resignation of snp leader nicola sturgeon , the

leader nicola sturgeon, the longest serving scottish deputy first minister describes his 15 years in office as a privilege . years in office as a privilege. bofis years in office as a privilege. boris johnson has expressed concerns over rishi sunak axe new brexit deal for northern ireland. speaking in westminster , the former prime minister said he'd find it very difficult to vote for the windsor framework, saying it wasn't about the uk taking back control. the deal with the eu aims to fix post brexit trade problems in northern ireland. boris johnson also admitted he'd made mistakes in signing the northern ireland protocol that caused the dup to walk out of power sharing. i'm going to find it very difficult to vote for something myself because something like this myself, because i believed that we should have done something different . no matter how much different. no matter how much plaster came off the ceiling in brussels and i hope that it will work . and i also hope that if it work. and i also hope that if it

doesn't work , we will have the doesn't work, we will have the guts to deploy that bill again . guts to deploy that bill again. matt hancock has been saying today he's a victim of a massive betrayal after more than 100,000 of his whatsapp messages were leaked. the former health secretary handed over his text to journalist isabel oakeshott as they collaborated on his memoir . but as they collaborated on his memoir. but she didn't pass them on to the telegraph and the paper claims mr. hancock clashed with the then education secretary sir gavin williamson, over schools during the covid pandemic . matt hancock pandemic. matt hancock reportedly said he was mounting a rearguard action to close schools in december 2020 despite sir gavin fighting tooth and nail to keep them open . nail to keep them open. meanwhile, teachers in wales and the south of england have been on strike today in a dispute over pay. that's the third walkout by members of the national education union this week with previous industrial action taking place in the north of england and in the midlands.

the education secretary had ianed the education secretary had invited ed teaching unions to take part in talks on the condition the strikes were suspended . but they are suspended. but they are demanding a pay offer that is better. first. further, national strikes in england and wales are planned for march the 15th and 16/8. that's your latest news on back in an hour. more now from. michelle thanks for that. follow along, michelle dewberry. and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, i've got martin daubney , the former brexit party daubney, the former brexit party mep , and aaron boustani, the mep, and aaron boustani, the founder of novara media. good evening. welcome gents. you both looking very smart tonight . looking very smart tonight. thank you much. appreciate thank you very much. appreciate it. that's the it for it. that's the making it for everyone, you at home. and everyone, for you at home. and speaking of you at home, what's on mind tonight? getting on your mind tonight? getting in touch with me. gbviews@gbnews.uk case. reach me . case. how you can reach me. twitter thing. you can

twitter is your thing. you can tweet me at gb news. lots tweet me there at gb news. lots of stuff to get into tonight. lots of you already getting in contact. you'll be aware that the final tranche of the report into the manchester arena arena bombing has been released today . we'll get into that in just .we'll get into that in just a sec. but carol says, michelle, sorry , it's just not good enough sorry, it's just not good enough for manchester victims. when will we ever, ever learn ? i've will we ever, ever learn? i've got to say, carol, i hate to be the burden of bad news, but i worry that we won't learn. we hear this phrase, don't we? lessons learn all the time across all different areas. and we don't really seem to learn them, do we? but if you just kind of playing catch up wondering what's going on, i wondering what's going on, as i said, the and final part said, the third and final part now has been released today and has and i quote , that has found, and i quote, that there a significant missed there was a significant missed opportunity prevent opportunity to prevent this attack. chair of the attack. the chair of the inquiry, sir john saunders attack. the chair of the inquiry, sirjohn saunders , said inquiry, sirjohn saunders, said that there was a realistic possibility that investigators could stopped the bombing could have stopped the bombing if had acted on two

if they had acted on two important pieces of evidence back in 2017. by the way, it also found that the bombers family held significant responsibility for is extremist beliefs bought. we'll come on to that because they were kind of outside the remit and didn't contribute to the inquiry at all. but martin daubney , your all. but martin daubney, your thoughts on that? well, you're right to say that it wasn't the first time. so ten years ago, i worked on a case of a man called junaid hussain, who was an islamist hacker who escaped britain on bail and became a key target in syria. he ended up being eviscerated by a drone. i would say rot in hell. and he was openly recruiting british muslims on facebook, radicalising them online in full, plain sight . and we were full, plain sight. and we were phoning m15 will phoning top cop and saying, look at this. i went to the king's college international centre for radicalisation and i spoke to them in i said, what are them in person. i said, what are you doing about this guy? and the answer was nothing. and now we history and they said,

we see history and they said, you said what we do and they said nothing. what he was on there. he was on their radar, but tough. he escaped by left the country and became a significant of the islamic significant part of the islamic state to eradicate state and he wanted to eradicate our of life. the same with our way of life. the same with abedi. now we're not talking about a guy here who sends about a guy here who who sends a few tweets. he few malicious tweets. he actively participated in a war in libya in 2011. he photographed himself with a with a giant submachine gun taken from a jeep and came from a family. a background of terrorist had a deep hatred of our way of life. this is some guy who was just being nasty on the facebook and then he was downloading recipes of how to make bombs and he could have been intercepted. now as for prevent could prevent have prevented this , i would say the prevented this, i would say the shawcross report recently showed that the prevent mechanism is completely fit for purpose . completely fit for purpose. people are slipping through the cracks. there's a terror . i cracks. there's a terror. i believe all of being called racist or islamophobic , too big.

racist or islamophobic, too big. and i wonder who we pursue and how people like this get through the net. it's a disgrace. and i want to come back to that point in a minute. but for now, where do you stand on this report out today? well, martin makes a very convincing case, but i think the biggest story here is in biggest story here is that in the case of salman abedi, m15 biggest story here is that in the m16 of salman abedi, m15 biggest story here is that in the m16 were lman abedi, m15 biggest story here is that in the m16 were actinglbedi, m15 biggest story here is that in the m16 were acting at�*di, m15 biggest story here is that in the m16 were acting at odds15 biggest story here is that in the m16 were acting at odds with and m16 were acting at odds with one and m15's is one another, and m15's job is domestically safe . domestically to keep us safe. mi6 about external affairs. mi6 is about external affairs. it's james bond spy agency . it's the james bond spy agency. and what know in 2016, 17 and and what we know in 2016, 17 and many years before that is that control orders on terror suspects precisely like salman abedi , were lifted. they were abedi, were lifted. they were allowed to travel with impunity, without any restrictions to war zones like libya and syria. why because it suited the foreign or the perceived foreign policy interest of this country and mi6 said, well, we don't like bashar al—assad, we don't like gadhafi, send as many extreme mists and radicals as you like. now, that may have helped to overthrow those two men, certainly those two men, but it certainly wasn't in this wasn't keeping people in this country that, to me, country safe. and that, to me, is big story, which this third

is a big story, which this third part of the report doesn't really discuss. and m15. yes of course, they failed to do their job. absolutely but why on earth is mi6 allowing people, young men, like about 618 to fight in libya and then come back and have like nothing has happened? it's all i find it extraordinary. so what you're asking, should i know what should have been kept in libya or what? well, think they or what? well, i think they should a control should have been a control order. i don't think people should been allowed to should have been allowed to travel particularly 16 travel to libya, particularly 16 year think year old boys. and i think clearly been i think clearly that's been and i think this probably what has this is probably what has happened there an absence happened is there was an absence of conversation of meaningful conversation between about between an m15 and mi6 about precisely they should precisely who they should be keeping on. and keeping tabs on. and it's clearly of people clearly have a list of people who highly dangerous because who are highly dangerous because they literally allowed them to travel war zone. so travel into this war zone. so we're a lot about m15 we're hearing a lot about m15 today. think should also be today. i think we should also be heanng today. i think we should also be hearing something my hearing something about my six. we're not because think we're not because i think actually anger people actually that will anger people even might no even more, but that might no sense to you say we're sense to me. you say that we're not hearing about it we not hearing about it because we don't overly infuriate don't want to overly infuriate and upset people. surely if

you've just seen the whole kind of shamima back, i'm i'm not saying it's the same, but it's similar in ways surely, though, thatis similar in ways surely, though, that is in the public interest to be out. i think it was outside of the scope this outside of the scope of this inquiry in the house, which is why we don't the level of why we don't have the level of detail you're perhaps detail that you're perhaps suggesting but suggesting that we should. but what should happen what do you think should happen then? into that then? another inquiry into that component peter a component of what peter aborn, a great conservative, wrote great peace conservative, wrote a this in the a great piece about this in the madden 2017, and he said the m15 does their best to keep us safe. it's failed this instance, it's failed in this instance, of course. he the mi6 with course. and he said the mi6 with this policy this interventionist policy of allowing to travel allowing extremists to travel abroad just because they're fighting people, don't fighting people, we don't particularly like are actually endangenng particularly like are actually endangering of people endangering the safety of people in country. that's what he in this country. that's what he said. think that clearly said. so i think that clearly needs rethink with needs to be a rethink with regard my point here is regard to mi6. my point here is just generally it's far more complicated than what we're heanng complicated than what we're hearing it isn't just hearing right now. it isn't just that asleep at the that my five were asleep at the wheel. i six have a policy wheel. am i six have a policy which some would argue which some people would argue included that people in included means that people in this safe not this country might less safe not more. pick up on this more. let's pick up on this political point that political correctness point that you just whereas mosques do think interesting

think is an interesting and important and i think it important one. and i think it was in the first part of the report because obviously three parts. part, one of parts. the first part, one of the that out was the things that came out was that fellow was kind that this fellow was kind of loitering around his loitering around with his backpack. looked out of place backpack. he looked out of place and the guys didn't radio through and kind of flagged this because he didn't want to be regarded as a potential racist and rest of it. how much and all the rest of it. how much of a part do you think all of that played the goings on that played in the goings on here? i think plays a here? i think it plays a significant part it also did significant part and it also did in rotherham grooming gangs in the rotherham grooming gangs got did in got in the who also did in the design i mentioned the design case i mentioned the facts of facts. when look facts of the facts. when we look at deaths and terror at terror deaths and terror arrests on british soil, at terror deaths and terror arrests on british soil , the arrests on british soil, the overriding majority is of muslim men. now that's not to say that all muslim men do that. of course not. but 56% of all terror arrests are muslim men , terror arrests are muslim men, versus 6.5% of the population . versus 6.5% of the population. those are just the facts . if we those are just the facts. if we can just see through the perceptions of racism and islamophobia and deal with the truth , we might get somewhere truth, we might get somewhere a 40. we can . and so aaron's point

40. we can. and so aaron's point of mind is allowing people to kind of wander out of the countries to fight wars . that countries to fight wars. that goes contrary to what janet is saying, that he jumped bail. he first went to turkey. they went over the borders. same with shamima begum. i think you're right to bring case up right to bring that case up because isn't it funny how we're saying shouldn't be saying that we shouldn't be allowing back from from allowing people back from from war zones into the uk because there's much higher risk of them committing atrocities? of committing terror atrocities? of course a stands to course there is a stands to reason. they fought an arena reason. they fought in an arena of alongside islamic state. of war alongside islamic state. yet saying shamima begum yet we all saying shamima begum took the left took it from the liberal left should allowed come back. should be allowed to come back. and we have have a no and i think we have to have a no holds barred conversation about the realities of the risks versus this fear of being called racist. and that's first irony. well, i would say shamima begum should stand trial. she should face british justice just like the did after the second. she might get away with it, though, because. separate, separate. but i think a valid point. i i think that's a valid point. i don't i dispute that. but don't i don't dispute that. but it's view is you've it's my view is she you've committed crime. should committed a crime. you should face in british justice face a court in british justice

just view and i think the just my view and i think the same should happen with abedi the is i six was the point is am i six was allowing like him to allowing people like him to travel out of the travel freely in and out of the country. he should have been arrested the minute he was back in country because he in this country because he was aiding abetting terrorist aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation. and organisation. i would agree. and yet actually he's part yet actually he's he's part of the while you're fighting the plan. while you're fighting bashar you bashar al—assad, fine. well, you know , we'll give you a free know, we'll give you a free pass. not good enough. what pass. not good enough. and what do this whole do you think about this whole political, know, the political, you know, the political, you know, the political crack, not wanting to call things out and all the rest of it for fear of being called racist do think that's racist. do you think that's contributed situation ? i contributed to the situation? i don't . i don't what's don't know. i don't know what's going these gentlemen says, going on. these gentlemen says, look, they're security guards that event 2017. that have major event in 2017. this kind of attack has happened before . it stands to reason you before. it stands to reason you should do your job and probably should do yourjob and probably stop the guy entering if he's got a massive backpack on. i, i find it somewhat surreal that this this did happen. i think many have obviously seen video footage it looks that footage of it looks strange that he managed even enter he managed to even enter the building. so yes. so there's clearly many failures . i don't

clearly many failures. i don't know what was going on in their heads, or not they were heads, whether or not they were worried called worried about being called racists some white, racists from some he's white, brown if they walk brown or black. if they walk around backpack in around with a giant backpack in an that. i think an area like that. i think charles concert you should work with them. yeah i absolute think that this situation that there is this situation where people are frightened to get involved because they don't wanna names. and it wanna be called names. and it helps. for me, i think 2016 helps. but for me, i think 2016 again in manchester, the trafford centre, it's always stuck in my head is this they did a rehearsal so an overnight rehearsal in the trafford centre to pre—empt a terror attack and make sure that everyone knew what they were doing, rehearsed their to it. and at the their response to it. and at the start of the role play that they were doing, basically was that someone went into the shopping centre himself up. so centre and blew himself up. so at the start of this role play they shouted the phrase allahu akbar and it was they were huge criticised for it and people then came out. so i've got some of the quotes here. so the, the assistant chief constable at the time came out and said an apology , we apologise for the

apology, we apologise for the offence that's been called the greater crime greater manchester police crime commissioner came well commissioner came out as well and said it was ill judged, unnecessary. annexe table unnecessary. an annexe table decision for those to be playing the part of terrorists who shout did that phrase before setting up fake bomb as well? i up their fake bomb as well? i would say it was an unnecessary and ill judged and all the rest of it. it was actually a probability that that would have been the threat that they faced at time, and therefore are at the time, and therefore are an essential of their role an essential part of their role play. yet they end up play. but yet they end up apologising for well, you're apologising for it. well, you're clearly model clearly trying to model a situation which to situation in which you want to prevent. and prevent. right. and so i personally have no issue with that. i'm maybe i'm a bad that. maybe i'm maybe i'm a bad leftist. i have issue leftist. i mean, i have no issue with if were trying to with it. if you were trying to model a far right terrorist, you'd do something similar, right? something right? you would have something like mann said, like what thomas mann said, which cox. so which killed jo cox. so simulating what you're trying to prevent seems a very fair and reasonable thing to do. if they came criticism that, came in for criticism for that, i that's unreasonable. and i think that's unreasonable. and when at the latest when you look at the latest data, terrorism great data, the terrorism in great britain, commons britain, house of commons library last year library poll from last year showed terror deaths in showed of 93 terror deaths in britain on british soil. two

2003 to 2193. total so only two were put down to the fall riots and even then one of them was just not associated with anybody else. the vast, vast majority of deaths on british soil have been caused by islamist terrorists . caused by islamist terrorists. this is the reality and to put it through a filter of being afraid to apprehend and in case it offends is actually part of the problem. well, yeah, but it doesn't help. as i said, i'll always keep harping about some sample in 2016 because i just think you absolute pillow x you know why you apology your know why would you apology your eyes that was eyes for something that was quite realistic and an essential part of what it is that you were trying to do. and when you come out and you do ridiculous out and you do these ridiculous apologies, actually apologies, then you actually enable these kind of things to keep going on. because then people think all about, not people think all about, i'm not saying that because it saying do that because it is wrong, says this inquiry wrong, rachel says this inquiry will not solve any thing. you're saying one of the challenges is people just simply do not want to offend others, patricia says

. michelle, why does everyone expect these people to be able to catch everybody? it's such a shame in this country that we have a blame game . these people have a blame game. these people have a blame game. these people have stopped so many attacks. they are brave men and women who work quietly in the shadows to keep us all safe. she thinks that they deserve praise. not chris says. and what's your thoughts on not getting such gbviews@gbnews.uk ? is my email gbviews@gbnews.uk? is my email address going to take a quick break. when i come back , have break. when i come back, have you heard the news today? i laughed because sometimes i just think some things in this country, they are just laughable, frankly. but laughable, quite frankly. but anyway, service anyway, the senior civil service servant the partygate servant behind the partygate report that some would say brought johnson down has brought boris johnson down has now been offered the job as a chief of staff to sir keir starmer over in the labour party . what do you make to that? give me your thoughts i'll see me your thoughts and i'll see you .

in three. hello there michelle dewberry. keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me, martin daubney is the former brexit party mep and our own boustani is the founder of novara media. welcome back everybody. we just been talking about the final parts of the report into the manchester arena bombing that has been published today. ken says, forget me . five the says, forget me. five the security on the night was appalling . how did this guy get appalling. how did this guy get into the arena with such a big backpack ? worry not by the way, backpack? worry not by the way, ken, because the security on the night that in for a of night that came in for a bit of a kicking well in part one of a kicking as well in part one of the report, this is part three. part two focussed a lot on the emergency services and lack emergency services and the lack of up response. the mike of joined up response. the mike echoing sentiment, it was echoing that sentiment, it was too late once he got in that arena with his backpack on, bernard says hindsight a bernard says hindsight is a wonderful michel, but wonderful thing, michel, but people perfect in life people are not perfect in life is not perfect. it's sad what's happened. is not perfect. it's sad what's happened . but guys have happened. but these guys have more than one potential terrorist place. yes i think

it's more than sad what happened, quite frankly. but you wouldn't be suggesting that you don't think we should be doing these reports stuff, would these reports and stuff, would you, me know your you, bernard? let me know your thoughts that loss of thoughts on that loss of support, by the way, coming through for m15 and my six and all the rest of it for keeping us safe, because unfortunately, we hear about the attacks that do happen way many, of do happen the way many, of course prevented. let's course, are prevented. now let's move on to remember the partygate debacle. well, the lady that brought all of that kind of to a head. lady that brought all of that kind of to a head . so great many kind of to a head. so great many of you where will we call her? she guess what? she's got a new job or been offered one. at least she's going over to join job or been offered one. at leas starmer's ng over to join job or been offered one. at leas starmer's labour' to join job or been offered one. at leas starmer's labour party.n job or been offered one. at leas starmer's labour party. if keir starmer's labour party. if that gets approved , that appointment gets approved, you will remember boris johnson called this a stitch up worse than bailouts tapestry. this than the bailouts tapestry. this has opinion. i remember has divided opinion. i remember sunny , some people saying so sunny, some people saying so wall people move jobs all the time. what's your problem? older people are saying, whoa, that's how i got this demonstrate is that there was an agenda after all, a civil service are not

unbiased. where do you stand on it? i it's awful news and it? i think it's awful news and i think it's fundamentally bad because it undermines the perception of neutrality and impartiality in the civil service . and that's service. and that's hugely important . you've already seen a important. you've already seen a tweet from rees—mogg tweet from jacob rees—mogg saying, all along saying, look, we knew all along this wasn't a fair process. saying, look, we knew all along this wasn't a fair process . now, this wasn't a fair process. now, some people agree, some people disagree . some people agree, some people disagree. i'm some people agree, some people disagree . i'm not some people agree, some people disagree. i'm not impugning sue grey's reputation. i've never met the woman. i have no idea about what goes on in her mind . about what goes on in her mind. but clearly, i think it's inappropriate for somebody who wrote let's be real . the wrote let's be real. the partygate report was the sword of damocles over boris johnson's head. of damocles over boris johnson's head . this isn't just any old head. this isn't just any old civil servant . and i think, civil servant. and i think, frankly, she should be putting the reputation neutrality of the civil service above her own personal career ambitions. she hasn't . i think that's bad , hasn't. i think that's bad, let's say. i mean, rishi sunak still has in his power potentially to stop it . but i potentially to stop it. but i think i think it's very bad and i think the people that sort of respond to say, well, what's the problem? is normal. the problem? this is normal. the civil service is meant to be

super seemly apolitical. and this just one more one more this is just one more one more sort of slash and frankly, a beleaguered institution. and it matters to all of us, whether you're a conservative, labour, liberal democrat, it matters to all of us to have an effective civil service. this doesn't help that. martin your thoughts on that? at some that? well, i'm hoping at some point something to point we'll find something to disagree completely disagree on because i completely agree i'll put agree with that, except i'll put it the other way around. and that for anybody who has that is for anybody who has followed service or is followed the civil service or is or or about with or is pals or knocks about with conservative mp, as i do, or even labour mp. it's very , very even labour mp. it's very, very obvious and has been for ages . obvious and has been for ages. the civil service is not apolitical . it's been accused apolitical. it's been accused quite rightly , i think, of, for quite rightly, i think, of, for example, laying down stumbling blocks to legislation on on brexit. they're very anti—brexit in the civil service. they're very of a mind set politically. so much more of a metropolitan bbc mindset than an electoral representative mind set. so it comes as no surprise to me that

somebody like sue gray would be, if you like, the premium products of that background. and it's absolutely no surprise to me that the woman responsible for the report, the board and boris, is been heralded by the labour party as a hugely significant appointment to bring great credit to their party. i think there's no surprise whatsoever the civil service is biased, it's woke, is riddled with anti—brexit. they're trying to stop ruthanne , the trans of to stop ruthanne, the trans of all sorts things of the electorate want, and they think it's for the lawyers to stop, to wander into. but with all those guys ' wander into. but with all those guys , well, they won't even guys, well, they won't even return to work. and when jacob rees—mogg says, well, no , get rees—mogg says, well, no, get back to your desk, they won't even do that. so, so i think there's surprise whatsoever there's no surprise whatsoever that civil service is biased that the civil service is biased against conservatives, you know, and i'm an echo you were just saying about the perception of neutrality in the civil service and what this will do to damage. do it's realist stick do you think it's realist stick to have this vision that actually people are neutral because you call it perception which i would call it a bit of a

delusion because in real life who actually in the real world is neutral? honestly joe so in the media, i think it's useful to be honest about your political views personally. so for instance, i say i'm on the left, and so when i say that the recipient of the information knows i'm coming from in knows where i'm coming from in the website, i don't have the bbc website, i don't have any i any political views. mind, i don't think right. as a don't think that's right. as a journalist. i do think that journalist. but i do think that civil servants at least civil servants should at least try serve the public interest try to serve the public interest and of course, perfect neutrality in objectivity . neutrality in objectivity. you're right, it's inhuman. it's very hard to do. but that should be aspiration. john. be an aspiration. john. and going martin's point about going on martin's point about the civil service trying to obstruct tory legislation since 2000, a certain extent, of 2000, 19 to a certain extent, of course that's true. i would argue even if you had a argue that even if you had a corbyn government, would corbyn government, they would have done something quite similar. an analysis similar. there is an analysis and is we and maybe this is where we disagree, where civil disagree, where the civil service big service really doesn't like big structural change because, you know, large bureaucracies are like, satanic. it like, you know, satanic. it takes very long to turn. takes a very long time to turn. the is the 21st century, the problem is the 21st century, we all have icebergs around. you

don't them. so i think don't hit them. so i think that's a broader criticism to be made of the of the civil made here of the of the civil service. the left wing. service. and just the left wing. i don't it's necessarily i don't think it's necessarily true because there would true because i think there would have problems. also have been many problems. also for government for corbyn government or any sort wing. i don't think sort of left wing. i don't think some will be a left wing government coming from the civil service. this has to service. martin this has got to be a stamp, essentially be a rubber stamp, essentially approved this appointment by committee that ultimately decided rishi sunak. do you decided by rishi sunak. do you think should approve this think he should approve this appointment? i think it will get approved , but he should . but i'm approved, but he should. but i'm all for the free market, to be honest. and i think if this is a free market appointment, the labour policy of you know, i think yeah, put it through and make of that what you will the very fact it's been very fact that it's been suggested think by the labour suggested i think by the labour party and that's great presumably is receptive to this shows that the intent and the will is there to be biased. so to block it i think becomes then political it this may political by by the controls when they block it they're making a more of a deal about it rather than

letting it go through and actually just fighting the election on the issues that really matter. and really who's in charge of keir starmer's chief of staff is very interesting to journalists and politico is on the doorstep . no politico is on the doorstep. no one's give a monkey's. one's going to give a monkey's. well, said well, frances is just said starmer's hypocrisy . he knows no starmer's hypocrisy. he knows no bounds denied his own party. bounds is denied his own party. i you're on that i think you're on about that dnnk i think you're on about that drink the that was drink the beer that was photographed for the window in durham bizarre . yeah. because photographed for the window in du asm bizarre . yeah. because photographed for the window in du as you'reizarre . yeah. because photographed for the window in du as you're saying,yeah. because photographed for the window in du as you're saying, he's because photographed for the window in du as you're saying, he's backed e by as you're saying, he's backed corbyn and then a second referendum flip flops all over. what this for keir what is in this for keir starmer? i run this appointment. well, about government. and well, it's about government. and clearly, want clearly, if you want to run a government, you want senior government, you want a senior civil servant at the top of the organisation in the labour party organisation in the labour party or take a straight into number 10 and you know, into presumably should special adviser to should be a special adviser to the number 10 and you have a really understanding of the really good understanding of the machinery get machinery of government. i get that. there's an that. i think there's an argument i don't think argument for it. i don't think that servant should be that no civil servant should be able go and work for able to go and work for political parties. i think it's generally quite bad, but i think with person who with sue gray, the person who defends ahead,

defends straight ahead, a conservative prime minister, i think it's particularly bad . so think it's particularly bad. so i the rationale for i can see the rationale for civil course, civil servant. of course, jonathan was senior jonathan powell was a senior civil servant for working for tony blair in a similar role. but i think the political optics of this are quite and what of this are quite bad. and what matters nobody caring, matters about nobody caring, i mean , boris johnson was removed mean, boris johnson was removed without a democratic election and the central figure in that is now working for the opposition political party. well, think will care well, i think people will care about throw out to about that. let's throw out to you at home. do you care? you can be the judge. get in touch. tell me, do you care about this appointment do you think appointment or not? do you think as it should happen because as well it should happen because it have be rubberstamped it does have to be rubberstamped and approved? i reckon and approved? so i reckon rishi should to not. i'm should give the nod to not. i'm going to take a quick break. when back , liam said he when i come back, liam said he has been in trouble again for days upsetting people. days with upsetting people. apparently what he's saying is that people are financially struggling . perhaps one of the struggling. perhaps one of the reasons is that they're not as resourceful as they should be. and indeed , as people used to and indeed, as people used to be. because he writes, give me your examples and i'll see you .

in three. how hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got martin daubney, the former brexit party mep and our ambassador andy, the founder of novara media. there's lots of love coming in for you too tonight. people the debate. we like that . there's also we like that. there's also apparently lots of feedback coming in, like this one from angela. she says , michelle, i angela. she says, michelle, i love your show, but please , can love your show, but please, can you stop showing your less underwear is distracting my husband from cooking dinner? well, i'll say two things to that, angela. first things first. why was this? how great. ihave first. why was this? how great. i have a husband that cooks dinner. a piece dinner. i wouldn't mind a piece of quite frankly, that's of that. quite frankly, that's wonderful. this not my wonderful. secondly, this not my bra. many people have been writing in apparently about this exact topic. i wouldn't exact same topic. i wouldn't come on national television with

my bra hanging out and nor am i bosom. so big. they require anything pretty much up to my neck. so rest assured , angela's neck. so rest assured, angela's husband , you're not sitting husband, you're not sitting there saying my on this, right? so let's move on, shall we? by the way, i asked you if you cared about the sue gray appointment. it seems like. guess do . and you're having guess you do. and you're having none the way, ian's none of it. by the way, ian's says, michelle, if looks , says, michelle, if it looks, moves and smells like a fish , moves and smells like a fish, it's a fish. the sue gray appointment is and that sentiment , i have to say, is sentiment, i have to say, is echoed a lot . many of you saying echoed a lot. many of you saying this just demonstrates that the civil service are basically biased . i was asking you, biased. i was asking you, though, how realistic is they actually to imagine that they're not? is anyone really neutral ? not? is anyone really neutral? your thoughts? keep them coming in. but for now, let's move on. lee anderson , the tory mp , of lee anderson, the tory mp, of course, you'll be familiar with him. he's been speaking out today saying that he believes that one of the reasons that people are struggling so much is basically as basically they're not as resourceful as perhaps they could people once way

could be. and as people once way talks about his former life, his earlier life and his talks about many aspects, actually, marty gives loads of different examples. people used to grow food. people used to take on extra they used all manner extra work. they used all manner of things. do you of different things. what do you make he said? i think make of what he said? i think lee anderson's appointment as deputy chair of the conservatives been inspired conservatives has been inspired because help because people cannot help themselves but react to everything says. know, he everything he says. you know, he makes people's heads rotate on the side of the chamber. the other side of the chamber. the media can't. the other side of the chamber. the media can't . so the liberal media can't. so leave him alone. and i think he's an excellent point. so he's got an excellent point. so again, said, full again, as aaron said, know full disclosure, i stood against lee anderson in asheville , bonham's anderson in asheville, bonham's lived anderson in asheville, bonham's uved 25 anderson in asheville, bonham's lived 25 years. i'm lived there for 25 years. i'm from same part of the world from the same part of the world of was a coal miner. my of same. he was a coal miner. my dad miner. he talks about dad was a miner. he talks about going to caravan holidays in skegness. that's i spent my skegness. that's how i spent my childhood my and his childhood and my father and his grandfather and all of us grew vegetables and we got by because we from an era of genuine we came from an era of genuine poverty, post—war poverty , where poverty, post—war poverty, where the country was on its knees and so sustenance was a virtue . and so sustenance was a virtue. and also we were taught at school

how to cook my was a home economics teacher. we were taught house of how to make good and mend, how to get by. and we certainly weren't a community that was for work then for those who wanted it who depended on benefits . and we have a society benefits. and we have a society so flip on its head of that situation now. and i think lee has got a point to live in denial of the fact that people use foodbanks while also buying mcdonald's. as he says here is to be in denial of reality. it just does happen. now, that doesn't mean that people are a scrounging and taking the mickey out of the system. it just it just does happen. and i think he's got a very good point. we should be teaching when he says, let's cook meals for 30 p he school 30 p lee and this all this all sex bogdanov as they call but jack monroe call him. but when jack monroe says it on the she's says it on the left, she's a hero of the working classes. and i think this comes down to something fundamental, and something quite fundamental, and that liberal left cannot that is the liberal left cannot stand a conservative sticking up for working classes for the for the working classes and truth. aron right.

and talking truth. aron right. strong words . you know, i think strong words. you know, i think of my mum , she's passed away of my mum, she's passed away now, but i think my mum when i see anderson because she was, she working class she was a working class conservative she would have conservative and she would have loved what he says. the loved a lot of what he says. the videos how to up gets videos about how to do up gets high she should have high polish. she should have loved that, but when he says loved all that, but when he says that nurses don't really need food probably food banks, i think she probably would don't think that's would have. i don't think that's quite i a lot the quite right. i think a lot the opposite stuff, the theatre, he's very good and i agree he's opposite stuff, the theatre, he'inspired)od and i agree he's opposite stuff, the theatre, he'inspired)od an(foragree he's opposite stuff, the theatre, he'inspired)od an(for deputyz's an inspired choice for deputy chair in terms of this about the vegetables thing. look firstly, it presumes a garden, vegetables thing. look firstly, it presand s a garden, vegetables thing. look firstly, it presand newham a garden, vegetables thing. look firstly, it presand newham ehackney or okay? and newham or hackney or islington, we have really high child those people live islington, we have really high ch flats. those people live islington, we have really high ch flats. there'siose people live islington, we have really high ch flats. there's just people live islington, we have really high ch flats. there's just azople live islington, we have really high ch flats. there's just a and; live in flats. there's just a and it's very inefficient to grow your own vegetables. right. so as anybody who gardens, i am a very poor gardener, as anyone who gardens knows, it's a lot of time and the return on time spentis time and the return on time spent is not very effective. you should just really working . should just really be working. what? happy to see what? i am really happy to see is lee anderson defending 1970s social democracy . now! this social democracy. now! this country was a better place . country was a better place. higher rates of union

unionisation you could get on the housing ladder when it was cheap and we had a upwardly mobile society that's all been lost over the last 50 years. and i think i would be interested to see why lee anderson thinks that is. well i would counter that . is. well i would counter that. that's due to the ripping all of the industrial heartlands of england and the midlands in the north. i mean, the areas he's talking about, we have basically full employment now. there was work if he wanted work and it was a source of great shame to be on benefits back in the day, back in the sessions, it just was like nobody was on benefits unless they really genuinely needed it. and if when that was the of course society the case, of course society should there as safety net. should be there as a safety net. i think what he's trying to say now and evidence is clear in now and the evidence is clear in places like ashfield that the incentive to work is less when you much money on the you can get as much money on the benefits culture and is what he is saying it pays to be in benefits often times the same kind of money he's he hears it all the time for his

constituents constituencies constituents constituencies constituents and i do too. living and coming from that part of britain it's simply the case that have a benefits that we have a benefits dependent culture . and the dependent culture. and the reason that exists is because the industrial heartlands will never replace with meaningful work and so therefore these groups fault was that, well, the mines were shut down, they were inefficient, more mines were shut under the labour party than margaret thatcher, of course, and conservative. and i'm no conservative. i might. with the coal might. that worked with the coal strike. you know we come from that part of the world. but the point the fact of the matter is it starts with thatcher. well, now it started way before that. harold wilson down pits and harold wilson shut down pits and then thatcher was then thatcher. but thatcher was then thatcher. but thatcher was the strong ization. the end game as strong ization. it that john. it starts with that john. i agree it gets very bad in the blair business with thatcher. yeah, also started under yeah, but it also started under blair in of mass blair in terms of mass immigration, borders, and immigration, open borders, and that's thing the that's another thing the goalposts. no. i'm just goalposts. no, no, no. i'm just saying industrialisation, saying the industrialisation, we can talk about that as well. but you with industrial you start with the industrial giant, thatcher. giant, it starts with thatcher. but replaced it? the answer but what replaced it? the answer is and what failed that is nothing. and what failed that chasm was benefits, culture and what was was a lack

what failed that was was a lack of self—reliance make an of self—reliance and make an increase reliance. increase in state reliance. that, i think is the problem. let quickly, if let me pick you up quickly, if i may. at point. you say may. at this point. you say about and food banks about nurses and food banks and all the rest of it. i think what lee anderson's point was. and do you agree with this? the notion of go to food of people having to go to food banks they're earning 30 banks when they're earning 30 plus pounds a year , it plus thousand pounds a year, it is become this wheeled is almost become this wheeled out kind of nasa's need food banks, firemen need food banks and really how many nurses what are their circumstance says that's i think what is getting out. do you disagree with that ? out. do you disagree with that? yes, i do disagree with it. if you look at friends, the call centre worker earns around 19, £20,000 a year. if you have a child you on that much money child and you on that much money and raising the child by and you're raising the child by yourself, he's saying yourself, i mean, he's saying that nurses and i think that what nurses do and i think what elderly. no i'm just what the elderly. no no i'm just saying you know he sees saying what if you you can't raise what if you if you can't raise children have them he raised children and have them he raised good by the way good for him by the way he raised three children by himself and he about if you don't and he talks about if you don't you if you don't have then you know if you don't have then you know if you don't have then you need. the cash will

you won't need. the cash will actually benefit. this actually child benefit. this country was introduced, i believe, i believe in believe, by labour. i believe in the 19 1940s. it's been the 19 late 1940s. so it's been around a long time. sure around for a long time. i'm sure he benefited it. many he benefited from it. many people food banks. people do need food banks. somebody instance, is somebody who, for instance, is an know, i think an apprentice, you know, i think the minimum wage for friends in this country, for £5 an hour. so many do them. okay many people do need them. okay the how high does the question is, how high does that most apprentices most that go? most apprentices most not you can go up not all, because you can go up to at whatever age. most to world at whatever age. most of young kids that live of them are young kids that live with dad. when that with the mom, dad. when that not, of but not, of course, all of them, but they're. and should be paid they're. and they should be paid more. they should. i would out an apprenticeship. won't take an apprenticeship. i won't take you all way to my to you all the way back to my to give be here all give because i'll be here all day already a couple of day and already got a couple of at apprenticeship. i got at an apprenticeship. i got about 50 quid a week and i managed to live, rent a car, save a deposit for a house by doing extra work and doing extra part time work and all rest of it. guess with all the rest of it. i guess with me, i just worry a little bit that this food bank usage is being weaponised bit being weaponised a little bit and as political bash of and used as a political bash of course, i do concede some course, i do concede that some people need food banks and i think that's wrong this country. but it, the but the overuse of it, the confetti like where the sentence

is doesn't really sit is used, it doesn't really sit well does it? you give well with me, does it? you give me anyway. was you me your thoughts anyway. was you watching yesterday? and me your thoughts anyway. was you w'you ng yesterday? and me your thoughts anyway. was you w'you where yesterday? and me your thoughts anyway. was you w'you where were yesterday? and me your thoughts anyway. was you w'you where were you?3rday? and me your thoughts anyway. was you w'you where were you? one ? and me your thoughts anyway. was you w'you where were you? one oflnd if you where were you? one of those that kept shouting those people that kept shouting at me, move on, stop talking about covid lockdown. well about covid and lockdown. well guess never guess what? today and never get this. everyone it apparently this. everyone it was apparently considered albeit that considered brief be albeit that maybe cats were responsible, possibly responsive for transmitting covid. there was a suggestion floated that maybe people might need to kill their animals . really? please do you animals. really? please do you see the lunacy of what was going on in these days? do you still think we need to move on from it? even now, the revelation that come out today about schools, etc. tell me i'll schools, etc. tell me and i'll see you into .

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investor who's the founder of novara media. i'll echo again lots of appreciate and for you to coming in on my session media on the inbox so thank you for that. we've just been talking about lee anderson. is he right? basically when he says people are resourceful these are not resourceful enough these days to helping days when it comes to helping themselves? says, of themselves? gary says, of course, is right. michel and course, lee is right. michel and to make it worse, the pandemic as compounded many people's expectations , is state expectations, is that the state should bail them out of any difficulties . i've got to say, difficulties. i've got to say, i agree with you on that. graham says food banks should always be means tested . i have to say, means tested. i have to say, many of them, you do need to get a referral. i mean, how stringent those are federal. so i'll that to you to i'll leave that up to you to guess, tom, says. lee anderson is usual on the money people is as usual on the money people gets used to a very high level of comfort . it's and then they of comfort. it's and then they fall pieces when they're left fall to pieces when they're left to try and out how to to try and figure out how to deal with rough times. is there anyone that disagrees with him? is there anyone out there that thinks actually he's talking absolute tripe, getting sort of

gbviews@gbnews.uk writes, did you watch yesterday ? we did the you watch yesterday? we did the first part of the so—called lockdown files all over the daily telegraph sold by the journalist isabel oakeshott, criticised by some actually, by the way, for sharing not all information anyway . the information anyway. the instalments they it's all focussed on teachers basically and whether or not hancock overruled the advice when it came to shutting schools for and how long, etc, to keep them. shultz also there was a conversation that was featured among these kind of leaks and it really pricks my eyes up. so it did because i think it was, quite frankly, bizarre. it was all about press spread the disease and what it was saying are and you'll be familiar with it, is it was saying that actually they considered looking at whether or not people should be kill, example, be asked to kill, for example, their to stop the spread of their cats to stop the spread of covid. obviously didn't happen. your cats safe . don't worry your cats are safe. don't worry if watching with if they're watching this with you me, it you now. but to me, it highlights the lunacy of some of

the thought processes that were going on. people that say they don't this stuff is don't care about this stuff is beyond you stand on beyond me. where do you stand on that when saw the headline, that? when i saw the headline, i thought my dog would have been very unhappy if there were no cats cat. he would cats left. a bar cat. he would have gutted . it very have been gutted. it is a very strange headline for a number of reasons, what just reasons, but also what you just said there. i hadn't thought of it until now. the idea that the cats themselves have had cats owners themselves have had to how to implement this, i mean, how how do it? who do you how would you do it? who do you know who to been executed know who how to been executed quite there quite literally. but there have been, you know, the police going from door to door, searching people's houses. it people's houses. i mean, it sounds incredibly macabre. i would , look, if you have would say, look, if you have something like ebola , which something like ebola, which kills 30, 40% people, that kills 30, 40% of people, that gets it . okay. can talk about gets it. okay. we can talk about these of measures because these kinds of measures because it's going to kill a lot of people. clearly with covid things never that bad. things were never that bad. i was supporter of lockdown to was a supporter of lockdown to an think when you have an extent. i think when you have an extent. i think when you have a pathogen, you don't know a new pathogen, you don't know how is. i think it's how lethal it is. i think it's sensible cautious . but sensible to be cautious. but something this, i mean, something like this, i mean, killing of millions of killing tens of millions of animals just in case, i mean,

that's big step. it does that's a big step. and it does make think if that had make you think if that had happened, have been happened, what would have been next? the red next? you know, where's the red line i open question and line here? i open question and i'm sure your audience of many thoughts my audience will be thoughts in my audience will be shouting fact, i can shouting at me. in fact, i can almost hear you if you're doing what to me last what you were saying to me last night, be on fire night, my ears will be on fire in a minute because will be in a minute because i will be able hear you shout. some able to hear you shout. some people were not happy about this lockdown. are saying this lockdown. people are saying this is a hunt against is just a witch hunt against matt he's been proven matt hancock. he's been proven guilty he's even a guilty before. he's even got a fair move that was the fair trial move on. that was the sentiment was getting sentiment i was getting from people mean, people yesterday. yeah. i mean, there people that feel there are many people that feel that matt hancock should shouldn't be the jungle. he shouldn't be in the jungle. he shouldn't be in the jungle. he should jail. and people should be in jail. and people have on have very strong opinions on that matter. back that separate matter. but back to in politics, where to this story in politics, where you that stories this you said that stories only this one really takes the biscuit literally , the concept that literally, the concept that without any data to go off, without any data to go off, without any data to go off, without any evidence. so this is even something of substantial worth or merit. the idea that it's been discussed in one of these kind of boring cobra meetings, i think just shows us

the absurdity . i echo your point the absurdity. i echo your point there and of where we are, let's become a nation of cat killers. just staying case. and i told my kids this story this morning because i talked to my kids. they're eight and 13. i always got off. you got okay, we've got portugal , a got off. you got okay, we've got portugal, a traumatised got off. you got okay, we've got portugal , a traumatised poor portugal, a traumatised poor kid. no, i, i always talk about challenging power and being healthily kind of sceptical of politicians. i say having been one myself and this story fascinating breakfast chat. raphael told me household it is it is thought that this morning we talked about that the lockdown files and i always say some challenge authoritarianism not because it's the de facto position but but use data to cross—examine claims this claim you say that's your eight year old how old you are the 113. oh except for i was going to let you walk the only is mine tomorrow she's walking. let me don't so i think this is an example of how they collectively lost their tiny minds and she

thought this idea had merit they denying it was ever going to get implemented. but the fact it was on the table, only thing we would look back at the great covid psyche psychosis that envelops our political classes. and this i'm not i'm not laughing at you. i'm laughing at one of my view is there's just gotten so much and i don't mean to rude it does just make me to be rude it does just make me chuckle. you said, well, i've never had covid and i've got and i zero cats. so maybe after i have zero cats. so maybe after all there was some truth in it . all there was some truth in it. come on now, everybody. goodness gracious. may look at the time. absolutely it flies this lockdown file. it's not going to go anywhere any time soon. so i suspect there'll be lots of revelations coming out . i will revelations coming out. i will keep looking at it because i think that in life you've got to make sure that actions that affect your life, our life, all of our lives, a proportionate so we end up in that we never end up in that situation again. gentlemen, situation ever again. gentlemen, thank fantastic. thank you very much. fantastic. goodbye. much. goodbye. thanks very much. enjoyed it. i know you have at home. thank you your home. so thank you for your company have a fantastic company to have a fantastic steak everybody. see

steak night, everybody. i'll see you next is you tomorrow. and up next is nigel for us. good evening. my name's rachel as and welcome to your latest weather update from the met office. so is the go towards the end of the week there's not much change with it being another rather cloudy days more showers more with some light showers around is all due to around and this is all due to high pressure that we've seen dominating the uk weather over the so . it's not the last week or so. it's not going anywhere for another day . going anywhere for another day. but as we through the weekend but as we go through the weekend and next we might and into next week, we might just to see a change. but just start to see a change. but looking evening, looking through this evening, it's night with it's quite a cloudy night with plenty cloud around for plenty of cloud around for central and eastern and central and eastern areas and this spread south westwards this will spread south westwards through . so becoming through tonight. so becoming increasingly cloudy , but there increasingly cloudy, but there will be some clearer spells across scotland, west wales and southwest england where we could just see apache frost to start friday. so be a rather cloudy start for many to end the week. but we will start to see some sunniest spells developing down east and coast throughout the day, particularly as we get into the afternoon . so that will be

the afternoon. so that will be some sunny spells around for some, but, you know, thick bits of cloud. we might just see the odd light shower as well into tomorrow , but temperatures will tomorrow, but temperatures will be pretty pleasant in be feeling pretty pleasant in the sunshine and around average for of year and with for the time of year and with clearer spells to end the day on friday, we might just see a touch of frost forming quite early across some central and eastern areas. but cloud will swiftly move in from the east once again. so by the time we start saturday, frost will mostly be across scotland and higher ground over england and wales . so the patchy frost to wales. so the patchy frost to start the weekend there . start the weekend there. otherwise as we go into saturday, we draw attention to this band of showers to the northeast. it's going to bring showers down northern and eastern coast through saturday and these could be wintry over some higher ground as it marks a change to some more northerly winds bringing colder winds bringing some colder weather the of the weather across the whole of the uk. the time we through uk. by the time we get through to week . but for the rest to next week. but for the rest of the some sunny of the weekend, some sunny spells but wintry spells around, but wintry showers starting show showers starting to show their hand, temperatures

hand, too. and temperatures around average .

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