hello there at 6:00 michelle dewberry. and this is dewbs& co. have you ever been called far right .7 do you think that term is right.7 do you think that term is thrown around too easily, too quickly? listen to the let's call this . call a spade a spade. call this. call a spade a spade. some of those outside are part of the far right . i've got to of the far right. i've got to say, i've got to be honest. i got called a spade far right frequently. do you? and this is my question to you tonight, that insuh my question to you tonight, that insult gets thrown around like confetti for absolutely everything. so it seems you hide it then from the mayor of london

in response to people criticising his ulez scheme . i criticising his ulez scheme. i mean, come on now. what is far right even mean anymore, do you know? i don't. and i'm not a minority groups over represented on television , yes or no. and on television, yes or no. and have you seen the drag acts performing for babies ? what on performing for babies? what on earth is that about? performing for babies? what on earth is that about ? also, earth is that about? also, there's a labour shortage in this country, as we know, but the answer? what is it? could it perhaps be to use prisoners ? perhaps be to use prisoners? should we be getting those people out and about? i don't know. perhaps they could be picking crops for us. if you're shouting gas at your television, do you think they should be paid for give for their efforts as well? give me thoughts . but before we me your thoughts. but before we get into all of that, let's bfing get into all of that, let's bring speed, bring ourselves up to speed, shall tonight's latest shall we, with tonight's latest headunes. shall we, with tonight's latest headlines . hi there . it's our headlines. hi there. it's our own armstrong here in the gb newsroom. it's 6:01. a very good evening to you. we'll start with bofis evening to you. we'll start with boris johnson because he may

have misled the house of commons at least four times. that is according to amp. he's investigating his conduct over partygate the commons privileges committee says breaches of coronavirus rules in downing street would have been obvious to boris johnson at the time. the former prime minister repeatedly that rules repeatedly denied that rules were broken at number 10. when he asked about that in the he was asked about that in the commons, says it's his belief commons, he says it's his belief or guidance. have been followed. the reason there's no evidence to show that i must have known. i must have believed that illegal events were taking places because i didn't and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of our ability in very difficult circumstances . in very difficult circumstances. in number 10, in the cabinet office , night and day. number 10, in the cabinet office , night and day . and i believe , night and day. and i believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations so that is why i said what i said in, in parliament. well, boris johnson says he would have queried sue grey's independence before appointing her to investigate

partygate if he'd known she would join labour. the senior civil servant has been appointed sir keir starmer's, new chief of staff, widespread and rule staff, found widespread and rule breaking had taken place in government buildings. mr. johnson was fined by police as a result. labour say mr. johnson's using the appointment to vindicate himself after being ousted over a series of scandals. but conservative mp jacob rees—mogg is calling for a proper inquiry into her appointment . major ambulance appointment. major ambulance strikes in england and wales, scheduled for next week, have been suspended after the government agreed to discuss pay for this year. tens of thousands of key workers had been due to walk out on monday and wednesday next week. the gmb and unite unions though, say this marks a huge shift in the government's position . the unions, though, position. the unions, though, say they will continue discussions with the government and there's been no decision yet about calling off further strike action meanwhile, teachers in action. meanwhile, teachers in scotland have received a new pay offer . the proposal scotland have received a new pay offer. the proposal is offering a 7% rise backdated to april

last year, a further 5% from this april and another 2% from next year. the educational institute of scotland plans 20 days of rolling strikes targeting every local authority north of the border between march and april . constance march and april. constance marten and mark gordon have been remanded in custody after the remains of a baby were found on wednesday . the remains of a baby were found on wednesday. the pair remains of a baby were found on wednesday . the pair were charged wednesday. the pair were charged with manslaughter , sir, with manslaughter, sir, concealing the birth of a child and perverting course of and perverting the course of justice at crawley magistrates court . the remains of the baby court. the remains of the baby named in court documents as victoria were found in a shed in brighton following a major search. the pair will appear at the old bailey at the end of the month. reality tv stars been sentenced to 21 months in prison for sharing online a private video of himself having sex with his girlfriend . stephen bear was his girlfriend. stephen bear was accused of circular dating footage of him and george harrison having sex in his garden in august 2020. miss harrison, who has waived her right down anonymity, said she demanded the clip never be

shared. bear who denied all charges, was found guilty of voyeurism as well as disclosing private films with intent to cause distress. ms. harrison says she's relieved it's over . says she's relieved it's over. today's centre is a vindication of what i've been put through and sends a clear message that the police and the courts take this matter very seriously. i want to let all other victims of this crime know that i stand in solidarity with them. and i have absolutely no regrets of waiving my anonymity . i hope that this my anonymity. i hope that this puts anyone off committing this sort of crime. and i hope for anyone else who's been victim of that, it gives them some sort of justice. mourners have lined the streets to pay respects to leah croucher , whose body was found croucher, whose body was found at a house in milton keynes four years after she disappeared . years after she disappeared. cortege for the 19 year old passed through thurston in a pubuc passed through thurston in a public funeral procession. thames valley police find human remains at a property last october following a tip off from

the public. this creature was last seen walking to work in february 2019. neil maxwell was found dead two months after her disappearance and he remains the only suspect in the case. finally, the king and queen consort will make their first state visits to france and germany at the end of the month. buckingham palace says the six day trip will celebrate britain's relationship with both countries, marking shared histories , culture and values. histories, culture and values. the royal couple will travel to paris and then on to berlin . tv, paris and then on to berlin. tv, onune paris and then on to berlin. tv, online and dab radio. this is gb news. but now it's back to dewbs & co . & co. thanks for that . well, i'm & co. thanks for that. well, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me . i've got the alongside me. i've got the rights and the broadcaster paul embery the chair of embery and the chair of oxfordshire conservatives,

william hall. good evening to both of you. good evening . oh, both of you. good evening. oh, gosh, guys watching that the headunes gosh, guys watching that the headlines just then they that reality tv story this oh i don't know have you followed it? i have said i've never watched the show in question nor do i really know the individuals involved. but i did see the clip tonight of that fella outside the court. i think he was. and it just made me of inside. me kind of wince inside. and i thought, this is of the thought, ooh, this is one of the things wrong in our things that's wrong in our society, isn't it? all these people over showing stuff, people over showing this stuff, the to and the girls going up to and begging selfies outside begging him for selfies outside the gracious me the court, goodness gracious me . the drill , . anyway, you know the drill, don't you, on dewbs& co? it's not just those three here not just about those three here in studio. very much in the studio. it's very much about at home as well. about you guys at home as well. what's tonight what's on your mind tonight getting such gb views that gbnews.uk is the email address getting such gb views that gb usual?k is the email address getting such gb views that gb usual? well,1e email address getting such gb views that gb usual? well,1e email tweetss getting such gb views that gb usual? well,1e email tweet me as usual? well, you can tweet me if that's your thing at gb news. lots for me to get into tonight, but i do want to touch briefly on this boris johnson thing. have that out there have you seen that out there today? been today? he reckons it's been vindicated basically a report vindicated basically by a report that's the privileges that's out from the privileges committee not committee about whether or not he misled lockdown, so—called

partygate . do you care about partygate. do you care about their what am i saying? the pubuc their what am i saying? the public have moved on. really. i mean, the whole inquiry is now is so completely muddied into a political brawl with sue gray joining labour , the person who joining labour, the person who was investigating it . joining labour, the person who was investigating it. i think people just want to get on with their lives. it was a very difficult time for everyone. individuals the country, everyone. i think it's best that this kind of political game playing moves aside. it's very clear from the report that didn't wouldn't you because didn't they wouldn't you because you a tory and it's good for you are a tory and it's good for you are a tory and it's good for you if it goes away? well, no. i'm also an individual who wants to, know, actually look at to, you know, actually look at the that matter. the real issues that matter. people going be looking people are going to be looking at costs to fill up at how much it costs to fill up their car. they be looking their car. they can be looking at russia's actions in ukraine. these things that actually these are things that actually people are interested in. i do genuinely most genuinely believe that most people will watching people at home will be watching this god, are this and thinking, oh, god, are we going on that? we still going on about that? are saying that at home? are you saying that at home? give me your thoughts. paul andrew, you? have andrew, what says you? i have quite with what quite a bit sympathy with what will says. i think people's priorities across the country

probably elsewhere the probably are elsewhere at the moment. middle of moment. we're in the middle of a cost of living crisis where people to pay people are struggling to pay their bills their mortgages and energy bills and suspect a lot of and so on. i suspect a lot of them probably think old them probably think this is old hat. why we still talking hat. why are we still talking about however you about this? however equally, you can't have a prime minister who misleads parliament. and if a prime minister has potentially misled parliament and the office accidentally misled them, well , accidentally misled them, well, i can't mislead i mean, you can't mislead parliament one way or the other. if you've done it accidentally. you still need to go back and apologise if it's been done deliberately and you know, the evidence what the evidence will be what the evidence will be what the evidence will be we'll evidence will be and we'll see that course. then that that in due course. then that strikes me, as is a serious offence and you know, there would to be some sort of would need to be some sort of sanction and large, sanction now, but by and large, i many people across the i suspect many people across the country are looking this now country are looking at this now as of a distraction and as a bit of a distraction and thinking there more thinking there are more important our lives important things in our lives and want government to focus and we want government to focus on to focus on those in parliament, to focus on those in parliament, to focus on indeed.so on those in parliament, to focus on indeed. so focus on those indeed. so let's focus on those indeed. so let's focus on something shall you on something else and shall you give me your thoughts about that johnson thing. you bothered johnson thing. are you bothered if what your if so, how? what are your thoughts? views that thoughts? gb views that

gbnews.uk you me. gbnews.uk is how you reach me. let you this. so you been let me ask you this. so you been called riots recently ? called fire riots recently? because it, if you because let's face it, if you disagree variety of disagree with a variety of things these days, which normally would be quite sensible a ago to disagree with a few years ago to disagree with them days. oh, no , you are them these days. oh, no, you are apparently kind in apparently some kind of in disguise disguise. disguise. in disguise. far right. name it. let's have a right. you name it. let's have a look at this most recent example of what i am talking about, what i unacceptable , though, is i find unacceptable, though, is some of those who have got the gist objections joined in gist of objections joined in hands with some of those outside who are part of a far right group, who are . some of those ? group, who are. some of those? some of those some of those outside . some of those . some of outside. some of those. some of those. let's be frank . let's those. let's be frank. let's call let's call a spade a spade. some of those outside are part of the far right. so some up some are coming deniers, some some are coming deniers, some some are coming deniers, some some are vaccine deniers and

some are vaccine deniers and some are vaccine deniers and some are tories. i mean, that's ridiculous . some are tories. i mean, that's ridiculous. in case you was not watching, you was wondering what was going on. that was sadiq khan. he was speaking the so—called people's questions on the issue in hand was around ulez, you know, the kind of emissions , clean air and emissions thing, clean air and all the rest of it . the response all the rest of it. the response that got then paul lambert's that he got then paul lambert's from people in the audience was quite reflect him of the sentiment from a lot of people i think because this whole tendency to kind of if you disagree with ulez for example, or anything or lockdowns, whatever your immediate only described as far right and to me is used as a tool just to silence people almost embarrassed people people embarrassed people shame people make think , oh gosh, make people think, oh gosh, i better not question or query that. what do you think to it? yeah, think been stripped yeah, i think it's been stripped , of all historical , frankly, of all historical meaning. once upon a time we knew and understood what far right meant. it meant the national front . it meant the national front. it meant the british national party. it meant people bomber jacket and doc people in bomberjacket and doc

martin boots and skinheads marching through often areas with high numbers of ethnic minorities and trying to intimidate people with violence. it meant some sort of affinity for the third reich and hitler and so on, and that was people's general understanding of what far right meant . nowadays, far right meant. nowadays, people use it in terms of abuse against people who, for example , voted for brexit or people in america who voted for donald trump or people who fly the st george's flag from their house, or people who believe the, you know, biological sex is immutable and men can't become women . and these people are women. and these people are being labelled by a tiny minority of people who are trying to capture our language . trying to capture our language. they're being labelled as far right and they're being labelled as and so on. as fascists. and so on. and i think what it's about is about demonising anybody who doesn't hold , if you like, liberal views hold, if you like, liberal views that the kind of radical progressive views that seems to infect much of our elites, our political and cultural elites,

anybody who doesn't hold those views is demonised as being on the far right. any kind of small c conservative view is deemed as being an extreme. this that's what we do . we present it as far what we do. we present it as far right. we say it's not mainstream, it's not orthodox . mainstream, it's not orthodox. and i think we have to push back against that actually, because this kind of language is being promoted by what is ultimately a tiny, albeit vocal, but a tiny minority. we shouldn't allow them to capture a language. we shouldn't allow this sort of word inflation. we shouldn't allow them to reinvent it's own far right and to wrench it from its historical meaning. and we need challenge phillips need to challenge them. phillips says far right means says to him. far right means that you're blessed with more than average common sense. that's one interpretation about what do you want? what says you? well, i mean, mayor well, i mean, the mayor obviously was either misspeaking. he didn't know what he or was he was saying or he was intentionally trying to dismiss valid concerns of people he is meant to represent by labelling something something which which is basically offensive on a policy that has nothing to do

with any kind of far right issue . when i was a university , a . when i was a university, a bunch of students got together and protested outside a remembrance sunday parade because said it was far because they said it was far right to for a moment of right to stand for a moment of silence , remember fallen silence, to remember fallen soldiers protect our soldiers who protect our country. absolutely country. this is absolutely about trying to stop people from saying genuinely sensible things in public discourse and say that if i don't agree with you, you must somehow be evil. that is bad for public discourse . it's bad for public discourse. it's not worthy of an elected representative at representative either. look at what when keir starmer what happened when keir starmer when he became the leader of the labour party, started to give press conferences in statements labour party, started to give pr

particular terminology, the idea that someone who is aspiring to be the prime minister of the country standing front country simply standing in front of flag when giving of the national flag when giving a by a statement is demonised by elements own party as elements of his own party as being pandering to the far right, i think is absolutely ridiculous. and just be clear, by way, he didn't misspeak. by the way, he didn't misspeak. he doubled down on it. so when he his first like little he made his first like little oh, right outside oh, you know, far right outside and were heckling him. he and people were heckling him. he was wait for the pause and was you wait for the pause and then i've just paid was then the clip i've just paid was obviously second response obviously the second response to that. so he doubled down on it and issued a statement as and he's issued a statement as well. the mayor stands well. he says the mayor stands by decision call out the by his decision to call out the vile on display. vile messages on display. he's talking symbols spreading talking about symbols spreading vaccine, conspiracy theory. i mean , really, how many people mean, really, how many people was sit outside of that people's question time displaying symbols? i mean guilt by association, isn't it? what you said is the people, the legitimate people who are opposing the low emission zone scheme . he said, you're in scheme. he said, you're in coalition with the far right now

that suggests by saying you're in coalition, it suggests that you have voluntarily entered into some sort of alliance with these people rather than them just kind of hanging on to your calls. i think the problem is when you use that argument by saying because you happen saying that, because you happen to the same side as to be on the same side as someone in a particular cause and that you therefore must be supporting them, where does that end example, british end? for example, the british national party opposed the iraq war millions of war in 2003. millions of ordinary, decent people in this country oppose the iraq war in 2003. does that mean that they were in coalition with the bnp on of course it on that issue? of course it doesn't mean, but just doesn't mean, but this is just very much, isn't it? tell me if you william, you think i'm wrong, william, that about what support that it's all about what support guessing people's thought process. because, you know , a process. because, you know, a lot people i mean, to be lot of people i mean, to be honest, this channel, for example, get cold, hard, example, will get cold, hard, right? right. i will get right? far right. i will get called far right . it right? far right. i will get called far right. it just right? far right. i will get called far right . it just loses called far right. it just loses its kind impact, called far right. it just loses its kind impact , really. what its kind of impact, really. what if you're an average joe? that's not kind of i don't know. you just might say i want to agree with extra with having to pay an extra £12.50 town and then

£12.50 to go to town and then someone turns around to you because you know, you're an because you know, if you're an average joe, you're going to go, oh, , okay. and then that's oh, okay, okay. and then that's it.then oh, okay, okay. and then that's it. then you are your cost, you work, criticise that comment again is it that's that's driving this do you think or is there something more well there something more to it. well i probably also i think he's probably also trying play political trying to play a political game, which if he says which is that if he says something parliamentary like something in parliamentary like that, have to debate that, he doesn't have to debate the actual policy. so to a certain extent, it's little certain extent, it's a little bit the political tactics . bit of the political tactics. but dismisses the valid but when he dismisses the valid concerns of people he's meant to represent, he is being a level of arrogance that i think is pretty appalling for a politician. i mean, you . exactly politician. i mean, you. exactly right. he's basically saying, no, can't have that debate . no, we can't have that debate. we can't have that discussion. your are not worthy of your views are not worthy of being aired. your views in the world me having he's world and me having them. he's the not a dictator. the mayor. he's not a dictator. and to used to and he needs to get used to that. reminds me of that. it reminds me of a criticism i don't if anyone criticism i don't know if anyone knows who the commentator owen jones's, he posted something on twitter. be honest, twitter. and i got to be honest, it made laugh. posted it it made me laugh. he posted it when i was holiday, actually when i was on holiday, actually a ago, and he

a couple of weeks ago, and he was saying, you know, here's the truth. gb news is hard, right? and then he was comparing it as to what he calls novara media, which is what he calls a set up by intellectual left leaning people. and i saw that. i thought you absolute pillar, not least because the founder of novara media is a regular on the show. in fact, actually he was on last night a very decent chappy is too is just absolute nonsense and it's not just far right and all these labels, by the way kept you'll the way it won't kept you'll nofice the way it won't kept you'll notice for example, if you notice that, for example, if you dare audacity to dare to have the audacity to stand for people have been stand up for people have been harmed by the vaccine, you get called an anti—vaxxer and i sit down, i think, are you daft down, i think, are you fit daft because that very definition the people been people that have been i experience side effects from the vaccine they've literally taken the vaccine can they be the vaccine so how can they be anti—vax . it shows an utter anti—vax. it shows an utter contempt by some of these people, some of these political elites and cultural elites who most of them kind of reside in london. so they see the rest of

the country from a very london centric viewpoint. they don't really understand the world outside the m25. they don't understand provincial britain, small town britain . and they small town britain. and they just assume that surely these places are infested with people with reactionary , hard right with reactionary, hard right views . now, i think the truth is views. now, i think the truth is actually that the social and cultural norms in this country are changing at such a rapid rate that it's allowing them to get away with libel in what, just a few years ago were perfectly mainstream and acceptable views as being far right and it shows, i think, an elite that really doesn't understand the world beyond the that their own metropolis. one of my view as glenn was just beenin of my view as glenn was just been in total he says, michelle, i am a gay man. and there was once time when being a bigot once a time when being a bigot or was basically meant or far right was basically meant as are an enemy to the gay as you are an enemy to the gay community. suddenly, glenn community. suddenly, says glenn , appear just , it would appear that just because support sadiq because i don't support sadiq khan his policies or, for khan or his policies or, for example, drag queens, entertaining that entertaining young children that glenn that he feels like

glenn says that he feels like he's suddenly become the birth of he says , i don't of the above. he says, i don't care other people think, care what other people think, but you couldn't make all of this up, could you? by the way, that story, i'll be that drag queen story, i'll be touching before end touching on that before the end of show. have you seen it of the show. have you seen it grown men thongs and bondage grown men in thongs and bondage get gyrating to babe face. get up gyrating to babe face. honestly, i promise you, i think this world gone mad this world has gone mad sometimes . this world has gone mad sometimes. so i do. and we'll touch on that before the end of the show. i'm going to the show. but i'm going to take a quick when i come back, a quick break when i come back, i'll some thoughts. i'll have some of your thoughts. and want you to ponder and also i want you to ponder this during the break and tell me what you think. we've got a labour haven't we, in labour shortage, haven't we, in this country is the answer. they poison out, get poison us, get them out, get them for example, them working. for example, picking what make picking crops. what do you make of give all thoughts of that? give me all thoughts and see you into .

on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, the lockdown files prove what we always feared. the covid response was about

politics, not science , and the politics, not science, and the powers that be were laughing at us throughout as top bureaucrat, sue gray joins the labour party as their chief of staff prove if you needed it that our civil service is not impartial. my mark meets guest is the woman who is destined to become the boss of fashion giant levi's before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob. plus, my panel and tomorrow's papers. we're live from . we're live from. eight hello , i'm michelle dewberry and hello, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight. and by the way, if you're sitting there thinking, shall i watch tubes or shall i go to the pub, guess what? you can do both because we are on on your radio as well. in case you've not enjoyed is that you've not enjoyed it. is that where lost? that's how where debbie lost? that's how you can listen to it. so if you went in to go out and about on this friday night, you can take me with you. what a treat. and

i'll tell you. well, she can take with you as the rights take with you as well the rights and broadcast of paul embery and the chair of oxfordshire conservatives, william hall. good to everybody. let's good evening to everybody. let's let me just at what you let me just look at what you guys have been saying, because we about being we were just talking about being called it's those on called far right. it's those on the left. you use it all the time describe people who time to describe people who don't with ideology, don't agree with their ideology, says . i completely agree, says angela. i completely agree, alan says. it seems that anyone who is left of centre accuses anyone who disagrees with them as being of the far right. by the way, i think you'd say you're left of centre are you. don't use kind of celebrity don't use that kind of celebrity or so. i don't everyone or so. i don't know. everyone no, often used against me no, it's often used against me if used against if anything it's used against you. well the term for i mean i wrote a book two years ago which some colleagues use this term loosely on the left, immediately dismissed right tract dismissed as a far right tract before was even published, before it was even published, before it was even published, before even it, before they even read it, because it kind of espoused those old labour, old school values, sort of values that once upon a time the labour party welcomed the sort of views that

still resonate very much in provincial britain and england beyond the fashionable cities and university towns . but. but and university towns. but. but that gets dismissed as far right now by these by these people who themselves are cranks. judith says. can i say how refreshing your debate is tonight, michelle? loving your panel and your vanguard lookalike is playing a blind to this evening with blunt with common sense, blunt speaking for speaking and sticking up for your normal, average person. i think i think think she means you that i think she might. right. so let's move on, shall we? because unless you know , unless you've your know, unless you've had your head sand for goodness head in the sand for goodness knows long you might have knows how long you might have noticed, some staff noticed, we've got some staff shortages everywhere shortages pretty much everywhere , there's , quite frankly. now there's been some solutions as to how we fix it. don't worry, it's not returning back into the eu so you can breathe easy instead , it you can breathe easy instead, it is to look to places like prison zones and get those guys out and about, particularly in places like this fields, for example, get them picking fruit. william is that the answer to our shortages of staff in this country to get the prisoners to do it? well i think there are probably some underlying

problems. we saw first by getting immigration system getting the immigration system sorted that people can come sorted so that people can come to this country if they if they're going do a decent they're going to do a decent job. that's to take job. but that's going to take a long time. i'm talking about a here and now. yeah and for that and for the thousand and for the few thousand prisoners prisons who we prisoners in open prisons who we can to conduct can rely upon to conduct themselves fairly, themselves safely and fairly, then probably bad then that's probably not a bad idea. as long as they're employed in a reasonable way. and know, force and it's not, you know, force labour nothing. but i think and it's not, you know, force l.would nothing. but i think and it's not, you know, force l.would be iothing. but i think and it's not, you know, force l.would be very,|g. but i think and it's not, you know, force l.would be very, verth i think and it's not, you know, force l.would be very, very reticent< i would be very, very reticent to start having people who are serving longer term sentences , serving longer term sentences, go the community and go out into the community and undertake work. because actually for me, prison isn't a holiday. it's to remove dangerous people from the streets and society and keep us safe. and i have to say, sometimes the rehabilitation movement goes awfully long, way too in view. so, so if too far, in my view. so, so if someone not a to someone is not a threat to society, then fine. but if they are they're in a long are if they're in for a long time, which is what some people advocate, want advocate, then i didn't want them families and them anywhere near families and people living out in the community. so object a risk community. so object to a risk assessment. you wouldn't be opposed and think opposed to it. and you think that should be

that these people should be paid? i wouldn't. paid? god, no, i wouldn't. i wouldn't dream enforcing wouldn't dream of enforcing the risk and anyone let risk assessment and anyone let let a prisoner. but let let alone a prisoner. but i think people are in open think people who are in open prisons are already categorised as reasonably safe. but they as reasonably safe. but if they are then they are going to work, then they should paid a wage, should be paid a fair wage, because a wage? because what's a fair wage? well, i think it be reasonable for them to employed in the for them to be employed in the same anyone in same terms as anyone else in society mean, you are society. i mean, if you are going to try and bring them into the community by giving them a job, it's only that job, then it's only fair that they get reasonable idea that they get a reasonable idea that there a number restaurants there is a number of restaurants who employee prisoners to produce to learn produce food and to learn a trade and skill. now i'm all trade and a skill. now i'm all for that. but i would first of all, like our education system to good enough to give people to be good enough to give people who prisoners these life who aren't prisoners these life chances i much chances as well. and i very much worry few thousand people worry that a few thousand people are a better set of life are getting a better set of life chances than most people out working a way. so they working in a normal way. so they should a normal wage, i.e. should get a normal wage, i.e. minimum wage and above and all the it. what the the rest of it. what about the fact get their bored fact that they get their bored and lodgings for? well and lodgings paid for? well perhaps i think perhaps we can. yeah, i think so. that's a good idea. i think. paul so. that's a good idea. i think. paul, your thoughts ? i think paul, your thoughts? i think potentially a way of

potentially it's a good way of reintegrating people into society given then, you know , society given then, you know, the work ethic, the skills that will be necessary to them when they're eventually released . i they're eventually released. i agree they should be paid for. if you're going to have a situation where private companies are going to use the advantage of prison labour, and that could mean, by the way, private companies setting up workshops within prison workshops within the prison space rather than rather space itself rather than rather than prisoners always going beyond the walls of the prison . beyond the walls of the prison. but if private companies are going to get the benefit of that, you , then absolutely. the that, you, then absolutely. the prison issue should be paid. i think they should be given workers in that workers rights in the way that anybody be paid anybody else would be paid taxpayer national insurance by country pension contributions and the rest of it. and you and all the rest of it. and you never know. some of them might. then they're released, then when they're released, stay in the in that job, have the opportunity have continuing opportunity to have continuing in job once they're in that job once they're actually what actually released. what you can't situation, can't have is a situation, i think, where private companies exploit labour because not exploit that labour because not only would it be fair and unfair , rather on the individuals

themselves , how would they not themselves, how would they not play themselves, how would they not play in them, for example, and just say, look, we want we want your labour, but we're not going to pay you or we're not going to pay decent rate because pay you a decent rate because not only would that be your substitution to the institution of opposed to of the prison as opposed to the individual. it individual. well, i mean, it needs to fair. well, if it needs to be fair. well, if it whatever the solution it whatever the solution is, it needs be a fair one for the needs to be a fair one for the individual. i think we need to stand against the principle that the private companies set up the private companies can set up inside and exploit cheap inside prisons and exploit cheap laboun inside prisons and exploit cheap labour, essentially, not pay labour, essentially, and not pay people any because not people any wages because not only that, not only would it be unfair to those individuals, but it give those private it would also give those private companies the opportunity to hold for normal hold down wages for their normal employees the their non employees for for the their non prison employees. if you suddenly an employer suddenly have as an employer a much greater, let's say, a reserve army of labour available to you and you're not paying anything for that or you're only paying anything for that or you're only paying a pittance for it, then it allows you to hold down wages for your normal employees because whenever wage demands come just say, well, why come in, you just say, well, why should you that? because

should i give you that? because i've all these people who i've got all these people who are well, you've read the mind of of my viewers either of one of my viewers either because literally second because literally the second that it, he was that you said it, he was emailing as saying, emailing in as well, saying, what factories what about setting up factories within michel? that within prisons, michel? that would us an economic would give us an economic output, but it would also, to your keep people safe. your point, keep people safe. win win says ivor andrews said, yes, we should get prisoners to go to work and they could start by repairing all the potholes in britain's road. someone wrote in about sir paul hulls just yesterday, and i suppose to do an entire debate on them, for that matter, says. i think that matter, sally says. i think it's great idea for prisoners it's a great idea for prisoners to used for labour, to be used for labour, especially for picking crops. but they should not be paid for it. it cost the taxpayer a fortune to keep them inside, so this would be their way, basically paying the cost back to the country, the punishment for the prisoner is having your liberty taken away. that is the punishment . you don't have your punishment. you don't have your freedom. you have your freedom. you don't have your liberty. would be an liberty. it would be an extra punishment, to say, punishment, in my view, to say, oh, the way, you're going to oh, by the way, you're going to work a 42 hour week and we're

not going to pay you for it. you're to be doing manual you're going to be doing manual laboun you're going to be doing manual labour. going to pay labour. we're not going to pay you. i think that would be an addition. in addition to addition. maybe in addition to the that the sentence in that that prisoner in court of prisoner received in a court of law a judge. so, you know, law from a judge. so, you know, if to want if if you're going to want if you're to to work you're going to ask them to work and you've got to change your view, it makes an excellent point. while what i say people point. while i what i say people should paid work like a should be paid to work like a normal when it comes to normal job when it comes to giving the community giving back to the community that violated food, that they have violated food, their . i'm all their criminality. see, i'm all for people beep, beep, for having people beep, beep, beep be required to do things like spray a paint over graffiti or fill in potholes that absolutely should be happening. there's no reason why if someone gets a custodial sentence, they shouldn't also be given a mandate to community volunteering work to do so if they're in an open prison, i'm all for using them to sort out the bits and bobs that need doing in the local community in a safe way. and i don't think they should be paid a penny for that because they have gone that because if they have gone and the community's and violated the community's ability they ability to feel safe, then they should should make

should they should make recompense but when recompense for that. but when it comes actual work, i.e. comes to actual work, i.e. competing with the people out in the then fair enough. we the world, then fair enough. we need to do the things need to we need to do the things that police about. that police talking about. i think it's lot of advantages think it's a lot of advantages to isn't not least the to this isn't not least the obvious the economy, but obvious one to the economy, but also to your point to the individuals, because at the end of day, you know, if someone of the day, you know, if someone is a and they're in is a wrong'un and they're in prison for whatever is prison and for whatever it is that done, you want that they've done, you want to try break cycle, don't try and break that cycle, don't use the don't just come try and break that cycle, don't use withinthe don't just come try and break that cycle, don't use within 5e don't just come try and break that cycle, don't use within 5 seconds ust come try and break that cycle, don't use within 5 seconds to come try and break that cycle, don't use within 5 seconds to do me out within 5 seconds to do something wrong and get something wrong again and get back you can break it. back inside. you can break it. and i think we're pretty rubbish at moment actually at it at the moment actually when you look at when you look at prisoners, you at prisoners, most of them, you know, i think work know, don't work. i think work is quite sporadic in prisons, people generally a people are generally paid a pittance that doesn't seem to be much because of much of a work ethic because of that, there isn't any that, because there isn't any reward labour to them. reward in labour given to them. but actually give them but if you actually give them a proper job, but if you actually give them a properjob, it's a pay tax, national insurance, you give them it would them that work. i think it would be every incentive be a really every incentive focusing lot on the rights, focusing a lot on the rights, the prison. and what about the rights the victim who's in rights of the victim who's in prison is just there to give prison is not just there to give

people when get people chances when they get out. to punish out. it's also there to punish community so i would community safe. so i would like to more a focus on people to see more of a focus on people having have the time sat in having to have the time sat in the cell thinking about what they've done, thinking the they've done, thinking about the harm and i'm harm they've caused. and i'm very we into very concerned when we come into these debates, people these kinds of debates, people spend lot of time spend an awful lot of time thinking what's thinking about what's the prisoners do they prisoners going to do when they leave, not the victim's leave, not what the victim's going through whilst that person. no, i, i completely agree. i mean, certainly not agree. i mean, i'm certainly not someone liberal when someone i'm not a liberal when it prison i can it comes to prison policy. i can assure of that. but at the assure you of that. but at the same time, i think it's reasonable say, look, if you reasonable to say, look, if you can of reintegrating can find a way of reintegrating people into society by people back into society by giving them rewarding work, and it's if it's not as if, it's not as if it's not as if, you know, your your your your giving sort of huge giving them some sort of huge bonus. giving pay. bonus. you're giving them pay. yes. they've got to for it, yes. but they've got to for it, as they will when they're as they will do when they're released. don't think released. i don't think those two are incompatible two positions are incompatible with policy, with tough prison policy, but give opportunities give people opportunities for when out. elizabeth when they come out. elizabeth says to work on a says michelle going to work on a fruit is labour. you fruit farm is slave labour. you see, find this trade very see, i find this trade very interesting, because interesting, elizabeth, because it ago when it wasn't that long ago when actually it was brits that used to fruit picking. remember

to do fruit picking. i remember my picked up in my siblings getting picked up in a corner of the a minibus at the corner of the street off they went to the street and off they went to the fields. and it was just what you did you school holidays and did and you school holidays and all of it. but then the all the rest of it. but then the attitudes that job. i find attitudes are that job. i find really interesting. almost really interesting. it's almost like is beneath like people think it is beneath us these days. i would pick fruit if i literally had no other of pay my bills. would other way of pay my bills. would you? would you think is you? what would you think is beneath you? andrew says michelle stick all the prisoners into any into parliament. couldn't be any worse, i'll leave you worse, could it? i'll leave you to that. it's that so to ponder that. it's that so right? take a quick right? i will take a quick break. i come back, i'm break. when i come back, i'm pondefing break. when i come back, i'm pondering this. do you think minority groups are overrepresented on tv? a survey that has been conducted by yougov says a half of people insist they feel that yes, they are . are you one of them? give are. are you one of them? give me your thoughts and i'll see you .

in two. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me, i've got the writer and broadcaster paul embry on the chair of the ox, which conservatives? william hall. good evening, gentlemen . hall. good evening, gentlemen. welcome all of you guys welcome back to all of you guys .bfian welcome back to all of you guys . brian says as an ex governor of champagne , please, can i of champagne, please, can i remind you that this whole thing about prisoners working is nothing new? prisons like latymer house and others where resettlement prisons. but most have been stopped now. interesting insight there, brian , by the way, do get back in touch with me. what do you think? so the notion that prisons i personally think they're too soft these days, they're too soft these days, they focus too much on the enjoyment and comfort of prisoners as opposed to the punishment think punishment which is what i think should the primary reason should be the primary reason that there. do that you're in there. what do you too? one of my you think, too? that's one of my fears that just being in such name. please can you thank at the chap this just raised victim and that they and they're saying that they feel victims are almost feel that the victims are almost always when comes always overlooked when it comes to crime and to talking about crime and

punishment rest of punishment and all the rest of it. you to you from it. so thank you to you from that and now another day that view. and now another day and survey. but get this and another survey. but get this one right. this is a yougov poll basically. and what is it saying half of believe half of brit half of us believe half of brit studies believe that ethnic minority cis and lgbt communities are over represented on tv . right. communities are over represented on tv. right. let's just cut to the chase and waffle around it for ages. let's just get to the point. do you agree with that? and if so, is it a problem ? i do and if so, is it a problem? i do agree because i think it's blatantly obvious to anybody who watches tv that there is an overrepresented portion of people for a minority . and i get people for a minority. and i get the sense that people in this country feel watching tv dramas and adverts and whatever is becoming a bit of a moral lecture, almost like a relentless moral lecture. i think that the people responsible tv executives, advertising executives seem to think that the whole country is like islington and it like islington . and i think partly

islington. and i think partly it's because of virtue signalling as well. they want to sort of flaunt their progressive credentials with these tv companies and advertisers and so on. but what they end up doing is ultimately creating what is a bogus reality and what is a reality that simply does not resonate large parts of britain . and we can all be in favour of fair representation. and i'm absolutely in favour of fair representation and but it's gone well beyond that . what we've got well beyond that. what we've got is a kind of politically motivated hyper diversity , where motivated hyper diversity, where i think i think tv producers are almost petrified now of having, you know, just three or three or four white faces all in the same scene together without a person of colour being there as well . of colour being there as well. and as i say, when you when think that there are large parts of this country that are not particularly touched by multiculturalism , they probably multiculturalism, they probably look at this stuff and think, look, why? why are you just imposing this upon me? why you just this sort of just promoting this sort of hyper diverse the whole

hyper diverse agenda the whole time? doesn't resonate with time? it doesn't resonate with me become a bit of a me and it's become a bit of a lecture and i'm going to come back to you on that in a sec. but william, your thoughts? i mean, paul's conflated three totally things totally separate things the representation of people from ethnic television ethnic minorities on television , of people's , the representation of people's political views on television , political views on television, and the diversity of islington . and the diversity of islington. ihave and the diversity of islington. i have to say i disagree on on two of those. i think that i think i think that broadcast broadcasters want the same argument , that broadcasters want argument, that broadcasters want to reflect the country that they are trying to serve. and when it comes to representation of people, i think minorities in that is a really thing that that is a really good thing where totally agree is where i do totally agree is that, you know, for brexit, for all these issues, the mainstream media has of course had a complete inherent bias towards metropolitan areas. i'm from a basically a rural community out in the countryside for me watching tv , watching the bbc, watching tv, watching the bbc, it's been like a different planet. but i cannot agree that it is somehow into twined the political bias with the

background of the person on the television in the edit. yeah. the editorial decisions are made by people up in the gallery. they're not made by the person talking the show and those editorial decisions have but only been made by the kind institutional lifers , the media institutional lifers, the media who staffing who have been staffing organisations at the bbc for decades. organisations at the bbc for decades . that's where the decades. that's where the problem lies. not the fact problem lies. not in the fact that there's an overrepresentation or whatever you want to say of people, minorities television. minorities on television. i think conflating two think conflating those two things dangerous things is quite dangerous because that we don't because it means that we don't see real problem, which is see the real problem, which is that who live in cities that people who live in cities have a very limited understanding, by large, of understanding, by and large, of what like for most what life is like for most people in small towns people out in the small towns like i come from. i'm not sure we disagree, actually. mean, we disagree, actually. i mean, i'm i understood your i'm not sure i understood your point about conflation point about the conflation between political and the between the political and the decision makers . between the political and the decision makers. i mean, the truth is, i think they are intertwined. think if you have intertwined. i think if you have people who are insistent in the higher echelons of tv and advertising , higher echelons of tv and advertising, as in who are insistent the whole time on virtue signalling on fronts in their progressive credentials ,

their progressive credentials, then they will make decisions that actually are in keeping with their own particular bias and that was flaunting figures of virtue. what does that look like ? tell me exactly what like? tell me exactly what i said at the beginning, which is constantly depicted in the uk as a whole , as if it were a whole, as if it were islington. i mean, most adverts these days and most tv dramas look as though they're actually set in islington. when you look at demographic at the demographic of the people, mean example , people, i mean for example, there remake last year by there was a remake last year by itv of the larkins, which was a spin off of the darling buds of may, was set in 1950s. may, which was set in 1950s. rural kent . and when you look at rural kent. and when you look at the list , it could have the cast list, it could have been any in a london borough . been any in a london borough. now, i repeat, i stressed before that when you say in a london , that when you say in a london, do you mean that the demographics the ethnicities of the people . yeah. and it's just the people. yeah. and it's just it just insults people's as i said, i'm absolutely in favour of fair representation, if you don't mind me saying, the don't mind me saying, by the way, you're a mixed race way, you're in a mixed race marriage well. right. marriage as well. that's right. you don't mind me saying that because people will be

because many people will be writing well, writing into this as well, because for example, when because it's for example, when you advert, let's just you watch an advert, let's just say cereal say it's a breakfast cereal advert, your bottom advert, you can bet your bottom dollar that the family advertised in that product will be a mixed family be a mixed race. family absolutely with absolutely nothing wrong with that you that whatsoever. but when you see single advert, the see every single advert, the family, there is will family, the reason there is will be mixed race family. and then be a mixed race family. and then for sense that for people, the sense that people giving on survey and people giving on this survey and in as well is no in my inbox as well is no problem with that. but it's not representative of the demographic that's the key demographic and that's the key point. unless not point. i mean, unless let's not forget, way, if you went forget, by the way, if you went back or 30 is the opposite back 20 or 30 is the opposite was actually people of was true actually people of colour, from minority colour, people from minority groups were under represented on tv and in tv commercials and so on.and tv and in tv commercials and so on. and it was absolutely right and that addressed and proper that that addressed because as whatever because people acted as whatever would not get in their fair shot at and the view that people at it. and the view that people saw from their television sets was not reflective of britain when they were under—represented. but now the pendulum gone so far. the pendulum has gone so far. the other way that, as you said, you can now, you can look at any advert now, you look any tv drama, and it look at any tv drama, and it doesn't really reflect the reality britain insults

reality of britain insults people's intelligence and i think it shows really how the elites are just removed from ordinary people across provincial britain small provincial britain and small town britain. in april, it was anthony's comment alluding anthony's comment i was alluding to got in touch. to that he just got in touch. and he's saying is , michel, and what he's saying is, michel, it is you just look at the adverts virtually every single one that involves family. one that involves a family. it is a mixed race is mainly always a mixed race couple. what happened to true reflective representation and keep your thoughts in vaiews@gbnews.uk is the email address when we come back. it's friday, so i just want to look at a couple of bits that, quite frankly, are utterly bizarre drag acts for babies, for example. it'sjust drag acts for babies, for example. it's just one of those things. and there are all those anyway. and i'll see you into .

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go out with you on the radio . go out with you on the radio. you can listen to me, paul embery, who is the writer and broadcaster and the chair of alt switch, a conservative, is william hall. welcome back, everybody. well it's that time of the night. we have a cheeky little drink. cheers to your friday night. evidently, i cannot be trusted. i've got a plastic glass. i should probably just in case one of you to infuriate me with your views and go straight to your head. apparently, just hope it's. apparently, you just hope it's. yeah, wouldn't that. of yeah, i wouldn't do that. of course, a sensible course, i'm a sensible individual. right, let's get individual. all right, let's get into couple shall we? into a couple of bits, shall we? that assembled. if you ask me that i assembled. if you ask me if the mat. have you if the welcome mat. have you seen the press week the seen in the press this week the following going to put following i'm going to put imagery on the tv. if imagery up on the on the tv. if you're watching if you're listening, i'll just describe it to you. now, is a grown man to you. now, it is a grown man wearing leather, thigh high boots outfit boots and a bondage outfit swinging around on a harness, teamed with another guy in a thong doing the splits and general gyrating , all for an general gyrating, all for an audience, not of adults on a

friday night in a nightclub. no, my friends, it is for babies. yes. you hate me. what is going on? is this acceptable, baby? it's tame. william. no, this is . this is this. something's clearly gone. they're either wrong here. i mean, it doesn't matter . whatever the gender, the matter. whatever the gender, the person doing is this weird, creepy sexualization of childhood . and, you know, it's childhood. and, you know, it's like the companies that are advertising to kids as well and using kind of sexual imagery. it's bizarre . don't understand it's bizarre. don't understand why we started letting this kind of thing go without challenged andifs of thing go without challenged and it's because it goes back to your point earlier. if you if we this evening say that that is an unacceptable thing do to a child. we will be accused of being ourselves bigots despite the fact this is so clearly wrong . a sherlock actress . i've wrong. a sherlock actress. i've never seen an episode of sherlock in my life. what's amanda abbington? she called this out on twitter and she is received a of abuse, saying that she is a transfer and all the rest of it. i would say she's just quite a sensible

individual, quite frankly . paul, individual, quite frankly. paul, what do you make for. oh, i tend to agree , william. i mean, what to agree, william. i mean, what strikes me, michel, is actually there are things that happen in in today's society and things that parents allowing their kids to be exposed to, which 15, 20 years ago would probably have warranted a knock on the door from social services and rightly, rightly . but now it's rightly, rightly. but now it's seen as just you know, a bit of fun or progressive or enlightened . and actually, i enlightened. and actually, i find it really deeply disturbing. i mean , you know, disturbing. i mean, you know, even if you were to say that, you know, as as a father, i've got a daughter and i would not like someone who's a biological man, regardless of how he identified to be in a women's only toilet. i mean , that seems only toilet. i mean, that seems to me a perfectly normal , to me a perfectly normal, natural thing for a father to say. and seven, 15 years ago would have been five years ago would have been five years ago would been entirely would have been entirely uncontrolled say uncontrolled. urschel but say that now and as you said, when

youiane that now and as you said, when you invite accusations of bigotry and all sorts of phobias andifs bigotry and all sorts of phobias and it's disturbing and the truth is actually there are not enough people who are brave enough people who are brave enough to push back against this stuff publicly. we should see politicians speaking out. we should see media commentators speaking they don't speaking out, but they don't because petrified because they're petrified of being names on being called nasty names on twitter and it is the group, being called nasty names on twitter and it is the group , the twitter and it is the group, the company involved kappa bhabha rev. i'm not sure if i pronounce that properly. they say they've turned profile social turned their profile on social media because they've media private because they've been a horrific been subject to a horrific trolling attack. they're saying that trolls specifically that the trolls specifically have a problem with drug access and non—binary performers performing for children. they're saying that they're so sure it was for a baby and not for all that children . well, i can't get that children. well, i can't get my head around in all of this is as grown man. why do you want as a grown man. why do you want to spend your spare time sexually gyrating in front of a child of any age and then with a straight face, tell me that that is entertainment. there is this gradual creep. is one of you

just alluded to you see the fashion houses. you've seen balenciaga and gucci in trouble in recent times. they put in teddy bears in bondage gear , the teddy bears in bondage gear, the roughing paperwork relating to paedophilia or whatever it was, something like that. in the background, you had harry styles propped up against a toddler match . yes, it's weird , but i match. yes, it's weird, but i find as well, i mean, shall we say it's a real paradox because as a society now we are so kind of health and safety conscious when it comes to kids. we put them masks, we don't let them climb trees, all of this sort of thing. and yet we expose them to this. go mad for health this. so we go mad for health and on the hand, but and safety on the one hand, but expose to all of this kind expose them to all of this kind of on the other. of unseemly stuff on the other. and i think it's completely contradictory. yeah, it's very peculiar. someone, by peculiar. if you ask someone, by the they just take your the way, they just take your baby to these of and baby to these kind of things and thinks, do thinks, that's fantastic. do get in touch and tell me why i'm fascinated and see your insight anyway. secondary anyway. moving out of secondary school, a fascinating school, this is a fascinating story, interesting story, really interesting fact. a story short, a school, long story short, because time it because look at the time it flies having fun.

flies when you're having fun. the time i was down in the second time i was down in the girls toilets and instead they've stuck up these kind of posters motivation posters giving motivation quotes, instead saying basically, makeup, quotes, instead saying basical rest makeup, quotes, instead saying basical rest of makeup, quotes, instead saying basical rest of it, makeup, quotes, instead saying basical rest of it, it makeup, quotes, instead saying basical rest of it, it goes

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