must that illegal events what i must that illegal events were taking place is because i didn't . and i thought we were didn't. and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of our ability in very difficult circumstances . in our ability in very difficult circumstances. in number 10, in the cabinet night and day. and i believe what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations. so that is why i said what i said in, in parliament. well, mr. johnson says he would have queried sue grey's before appointing her to investigate partygate if he'd known she would join labour . the known she would join labour. the senior civil servant who's appointed sir keir starmer's, new chief of staff, found widespread rule breaking had taken place in government buildings and mr. johnson fined by police as a result, labour say boris johnson's the appointment to vindicate himself after he was ousted over a series of scandals . major series of scandals. major ambulance strikes in england and wales have been called off after what the unions have described as a huge shift in the

government's position . tens of government's position. tens of thousands of key workers in england had to walk out england had been due to walk out on monday and wednesday next week. unison and gmb have week. well, unison and gmb have suspended the industrial action following an agreement by ministers to reopen pay talks for both this and next year. strikes in wales and scotland have also been paused for talks with the respective governments governments . scotland's largest governments. scotland's largest teaching union has recommended its members accept latest pay offer from the scottish government . the office has government. the office has suspended all planned strike action and will ballot its on the new deal which would see teachers pay rise by £5,200 in april and would bring an end more than 12 months of dispute concerns marched in a mock gordon have been remanded in custody after the remains of a baby were found on wednesday. parrikar with manslaughter concealing the birth of a child and perverting the court course of justice at crawley magistrates court. the remains of the baby named in court

documents as victoria were found in a shed in brighton following a major search. the pair will appear at the old bailey at the end of the month . the disgraced end of the month. the disgraced american lawyer murdoch has been sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his wife and son. the jury took less than 3 hours on thursday before convicting murdoch of shooting his wife and son on their family estate in south carolina in 2021. prosecutors argued successfully it was an attempt to distract from him stealing millions of dollars from clients to feed his drug habit habit . to feed his drug habit habit. tv, online and dab+ radio . this tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news, but now it's back to mark dolan. tonight. my mark dolan. tonight. my thanks to aaron, who returns in an hour's time. this is mark dolan tonight before nine. we'll be speaking to former ukip, a

member of the parliament, and godfrey bloom will be asking whether the civil service has a left wing bias. author, columnist and broadcaster gary bushell is with me. after that, we'll be discussing the bbc getting rid of the huge talent thatis getting rid of the huge talent that is ken bruce . getting rid of the huge talent that is ken bruce. is he just too male , pale and stale for the too male, pale and stale for the organisation? reality tv sensation sandy bhogle of course, from gogglebox and celebrity big is joining us later in the hour is reality tv making us stupid plots ? spoiler making us stupid plots? spoiler yes, it is. at nine, in my big opinion , the sensational opinion, the sensational lockdown files prove what we feared along the covid response was about politics, not science, and the powers that be were laughing at us throughout . in laughing at us throughout. in the big question is too young to get married and any might take it ten as top bureaucrats joins the labour party as that chief

of staff does the civil service have a problem with impartiality ? so this is mark dolan tonight something cold and fizzy in the fridge. after all, it's friday night. you've just put the kids to bed. why don't we have some fun and a big debate along the way . now, as you'll have heard way. now, as you'll have heard this week, sue gray is to be appointed as keir starmer , as appointed as keir starmer, as chief of staff, direct polishing off a report that down a prime minister with a huge mandate from the public was the partygate inquiry a stitch up? the question has to be asked does the civil service have an issue with impartiality ? who issue with impartiality? who better to ask than ? the man better to ask than? the man himself? a former ukip mep godfrey bloom. hi godfrey . i'm godfrey bloom. hi godfrey. i'm off that evening too. good to have you on the programme. first of all, what do you make of sue grey's defection to the labour party ? well, i think it's party? well, i think it's probably not quite as simple as

all that. you know, this left wing , right wing business is wing, right wing business is really not quite on the mark, in my view . why is it with civil my view. why is it with civil servants? they are a different species and i worked on various matters , decided to regulate matters, decided to regulate that i had one myself and would say he was also out by the sort of self—serving people. let me just interrupt you, godfrey, because the sound is pretty wretched. i'd love to hear what you've got to say. so, team, can we please turn godfrey up? maybe ten pea in the meta i really do want to debate this at o'clock. it's the topic of my take at ten sue gray. who's appointed to look at the partygate allegations? we're told whiter than white, squeaky clean , more than white, squeaky clean, more balanced than an on a stool at the circus . and yet she now the circus. and yet she now

takes over as the labour party's chief of staff. surely this plays into the public's worst nightmares about how impartial or not impartial the civil service may actually be. it's got to be a concern . do you have got to be a concern. do you have issues around whether think the civil service is impartial ? by civil service is impartial? by the way, it's not only left right as godfrey points out, but remain thus is brexiteer. right as godfrey points out, but remain thus is brexiteer . we remain thus is brexiteer. we know that the civil service known as the blob are often correct as having foot on the brake when it comes to the potential of brexit. so whether it's a left leaning bias, whether it's supporting public sector workers who are constantly on, or whether it's stopping brexit, i wonder whether the good old civil service are to blame. we'll debate that later. we'll try to get the line back. godfrey bloom but now let's talk about radio star ken bruce , who hosted his star ken bruce, who hosted his much bbc radio two show for the final time today before he heads off to commercial rival greatest

hits radio . off to commercial rival greatest hits radio. his off to commercial rival greatest hits radio . his show off to commercial rival greatest hits radio. his show is the most listened to radio programme in britain with eight and a half million listeners week. so why is he gone ? is he too pale? male is he gone? is he too pale? male stale for the bbc ? let's speak stale for the bbc? let's speak to best selling author and one of britain's most fearless and entertaining journalists, gary bushell . gary, great to have you bushell. gary, great to have you in the studio to say good to be here and lovely to have on the program. look bbc will not let this guy go. he was on a reported £400,000 a year, which by radio two standards is a modest salary . zoe ball just modest salary. zoe ball just south of a million. so why is he going? it's partly what you say is partly ageism. and for that reason, i thank you very for having me. and i'm not someone younger. mean you might be pale, but you're stale. thank you much. i mean, he's part. he's seen. he's chosen to go. he's seen. he's chosen to go. he's seen people being forced out over the year for that reason. because they're quite great people. it the end and vanessa

feltz, simon you're a bit of a for vanessa but yeah i mean simon left steve right steve showed what a talent bill can write people like fantastic people and a strategy is they feel that they can replace these people and attract a different audience. a young group, which is all there'll be a sacrifice on the altar of this younger audience who probably don't exist, because what younger audiences there are not audiences are there are not looking . for radio they're looking. for radio two, they're looking. for radio two, they're looking what if i play looking for this. what if i play this? you know, this is not what they're after. but the problem is baby's on a hiding is that the baby's on a hiding to seeking these young to nothing, seeking these young viewers listeners, viewers and young listeners, aren't mean, aren't they? because i mean, i've got 70 year old and a 13 i've got a 70 year old and a 13 year and when i explain my year old. and when i explain my 17 about the licence 17 year old about the licence fee, he laughed. i said, why would you play that? and he'd be the go to jail to not the first to go to jail to not pay, the first to go to jail to not pay, but feel as well, pay, but to not feel as well, though younger people aren't quite people our age quite like so people of our age aren't going to make, but we tend to grow up with our genres. we in of as we were

we were in a way of as we were now, glam with punk or now, glam rock or with punk or whatever sixties . i. i find that whatever sixties. i. i find that younger people now are much more open minded about it. they listen to all sorts of music. my youngest kids listen to foreigner. i've never listened so and fleetwood mac and people like that. they're not really interested in stormzy per say. well, you're so right. my, my 30 year old is obsessed with gibb and the bee gees. you go . and and the bee gees. you go. and he's young enough to hit those high notes lucky him. but i think the issue is, you know, you mentioned we talk ken bruce's eight and a half million listeners a week now you you know been reporting on on know you've been reporting on on the media and entertainment showbiz decades . just give the media and entertainment sh0'a)iz decades . just give the media and entertainment shoa sense decades . just give the media and entertainment shoa sense of:ades . just give the media and entertainment shoa sense of how; . just give the media and entertainment shoa sense of how successiive the media and entertainment shoa sense of how success for me a sense of how success for his and now his show actually was and now he's leaving. why would they let him leave if they any brains him leave if they had any brains are interested gets eight and are so interested gets eight and are so interested gets eight and a listeners a week. a half million listeners a week. no it's incredible. anyone no no it's incredible. anyone would because but would let that go because but they strategy working they see their strategy working when it isn't working. you've already that i think commercial radio 51% yield it's now radio gets 51% yield it's now 51. the listeners , they're 51. the listeners, they're losing them. they're not going

to win them in the strategy because the people they replace see legends with are see these legends with are not in of same you wouldn't in of the same you wouldn't trust. i'm not going to you know, meet names , gary. come on. know, meet names, gary. come on. but in military, bob's i'll coming up make it fine to his degree but it's not not replacement for paula great easy. well i'll i'll plead the fifth amendment on that one. but let's have a listen to ken bruce is sign off from radio two. and i would just like to say thank you particularly to phil and janine. miles smith to the only two in the production team. what a fabulous pair they have been. and to the bbc. i've been here for a long time. apart from the occasional vagaries , it is still occasional vagaries, it is still the finest broadcasting organisation in the world. i thought about the song to finish and one that comes to an end. i might be the end . and what a might be the end. and what a class act, by the way . they class act, by the way. they don't make them like that anymore. ken bruce they don't. they really don't achieve what

they should treasured. and you can't just replace with who's well known on tv. you know, it doesn't work. oh, so can we just talk about this discrepancy now ? got no personal ? look, i've got no personal issue with zoe ball. she's obviously got a good agent. she has few listeners than ken bruce. yes but she's on double the money. how that work, i guess it's perception . i guess i guess it's perception. i guess i see you as being a younger face. right. but they're not driving. people should the to people should market to the to the radio station. it's a flawed, deeply flawed strategy. and i think, you know , there's and i think, you know, there's more chance of seeing a tax cut in the budget than there is of any of this working. yeah. don't don't your breath. what's going to happen to the beeb because i've been reading columns at various newspapers since i was a kid and that includes bushell on the box quite right iconic column that was in the sun wasn't it. bushell the box is in the sun. it's in the daily star now. it's been about. there you go. well i say, you know go. yeah well i say, you know you, go to the highest you, you go to the highest bidder you. but some

bidder don't you. but some you've obviously written about shows the beeb decades shows on the beeb for decades there have some great shows there have been some great shows there have been some great shows there been some great there have been some great things like wildlife at one the attenborough stuff the attenborough stuff some the dramas fools horses the dramas only fools and horses the office but . what's happening to office but. what's happening to the beeb now? where's it ? well, the beeb now? where's it? well, i think they're in tune i don't think they're in tune with the majority audience anymore. i don't think they're trying to if you look at trying to be so if you look at the comedy, comedy over christmas a disgrace. look christmas was a disgrace. look at bbc radio at radio comedy. bbc radio comedy a must comedy used to be a real must listen to treat. yeah i'm not i got nothing you want to listen to? i don't know. we've we we've gone from this absurd decision now we get people i know of people who've done one gig have gone straight into television one gig. i also know if people have done 30 years of gigs and come get a campbell newman and it just seems like a perverse issue to have a what about this ageism at the beeb is unfair given the fact that the beeb do have plenty of old stars on their channel. are we being unfair on the beeb with the label of ageism. no, because

they're turning their back on those people. and by turning their back on those big old stars, they're also turning their back on significant numbers of their listeners who will in turn turn their will then in turn turn their back on them, because they owe them duty to these people them a duty to these people being their fee. being lonely, paying their fee. they've listening. they've been listening. they they ken bruce they see someone like ken bruce as friend . you can't replace as a friend. you can't replace that sort of wit and warmth with something like being a celebrity no. two. right let's get your your golden balls, your your kind of clairvoyant on for a moment. what do you think is the long term future for the beeb ? long term future for the beeb? long will we have the licence fee? and how long will we have on to altogether? see, this is where never because where you never know because popular stations about this popular stations lie about this all time. tony blair all the time. i asked tony blair the stories in 2000 and blair said to me , the licence fee, oh, said to me, the licence fee, oh, that's going soon. and i like annuity. i believed in this. no, i can't you because all the time the governments are conned into keeping licence fee. they'll carry on as they are. what they needis carry on as they are. what they need is a complete reboot because obviously gb news exist

because obviously gb news exist because the bbc can't be bothered to give us a balanced news agenda obviously. but things like this are . well, i'm things like this are. well, i'm so excited because talking to great things, we are joined in the studio by a total legend of fleet street, one of britain's most fearless and entertaining columnists , gary bushell, now columnists, gary bushell, now we're going to talk to gary after the break about what he thinks of rishi sunak should we bnng thinks of rishi sunak should we bring back boris? what does he make of keir starmer as well? plus, the line for glastonbury has been announced. we'll cover that with the big man . lots to that with the big man. lots to get through. don't go anywhere .

at 9:00. in my big opinion , the at 9:00. in my big opinion, the lockdown files revealed , what we lockdown files revealed, what we thought all along the were making it up off hoof they were following politics not the science we'll get to that at

9:00. but with me in the studio to the big stories of the day , to the big stories of the day, one of britain's most fearless and journalists. it's bushell, who writes, of course, for the daily star sunday, sunday express, the mirror and the sunday mirror. he's got more jobs than have. gary, let's talk about glass . this line up has about glass. this line up has dropped and a few a, few golden oldies . dropped and a few a, few golden oldies. there's dropped and a few a, few golden oldies . there's always go note oldies. there's always go note isn't there a glastonbury at this probably some really obviously some really peak bands arctic monkeys and elton and the guns and roses people that said you could see the top the top acts. but there's complaints i know that they're all male for a start . and you think, well, okay start. and you think, well, okay , what female acts are they of that status ? they've got this that status? they've got this kate bush, but bush is going to do it . he's kate bush, but bush is going to do it. he's got madonna. you've got madonna , but they're not got madonna, but they're not americans. yeah lots of americans. yeah lots of americans. yeah lots of americans. yeah yeah. i mean, we've got lizzo, but we haven't got beyonce like beyonce. i did

it. i think in 2011 and was fantastic . but we've got adele, fantastic. but we've got adele, right? that's probably about it in terms of o in terms of the global stars . yeah. younger global stars. yeah. younger ones. i suppose. yeah. but ones. yeah i suppose. yeah. but i mean , of that stage of that i mean, of that stage of that stature and ones who could headune stature and ones who could headline that and make some special , i headline that and make some special, i think headline that and make some special , i think they headline that and make some special, i think they had . i special, i think they had. i mean, i don't think there's anything about glastonbury. it could be very the sort of people who've read the guardian they're going to be bending over backwards to have a mixed bill. much of a mixed bill as i can. but if they would have gone to everybody they would have gone to taylor swift as opposed to do it in 2020 they would have gone to these fantastic to all of these fantastic people. they've given people. yeah and they've given the katy perry and the stage to katy perry and plenty of yes yeah, plenty of others. yes yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, it's yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, it's an incredible at an incredible event at glastonbury is an event we should be proud of, isn't it? because it's potentially because it is it's potentially the greatest festival in the greatest music festival in the greatest music festival in the isn't it? i so. the world isn't it? i guess so. coachella is the other one. but i they're big, they're i mean they're big, they're massive. fantastic for massive. brazil's fantastic for at least. i mean, it's something

to be proud of. yeah, it's a great achievement. what? what what do you think of elton? because this will, i understand at glastonbury , last live at glastonbury, his last live gig in the uk on his tour. if you heard about that this . so he you heard about that this. so he finished his american tour at the dodger stadium and he finishes uk . i the dodger stadium and he finishes uk. i think good finishes in the uk. i think good . he's been fantastic. of course it's a fantastic legacy. he's probably right to stop you his isn't what it was. so why push it? he doesn't need to push it. i mean i've him play very intimate shows outside. he play big shows and he's obviously a magnificent pop icon. he put it probably this type of stuff . and probably this type of stuff. and guns n roses , i don't want to be guns n roses, i don't want to be because that would be hypocritical. i'll be a bit old for all that rock and roll rock and it. what about the stones ? i and it. what about the stones? i mean, you can't you can't get elton there. no, exactly. let's talk about politics now. do you rate rishi sunak? not at all. and i was really disappointed with most of the tv coverage of

ritchie's great windsor debacle because , you know, he came out because, you know, he came out with more spin . michael with more spin. michael mcintyre's the wheel . and when mcintyre's the wheel. and when you look at it at the substance of the hologram, you know, it's they had nothing to it and all they had nothing to it and all the he was making were contradicted on the quiet by the. are you so it's really it still comes down to his promises he sent us one thing and the reality part of the uk is still going to be subject to the court justice. yeah, why why is it we voted as a country to leave the eu don't you think there has to be some kind of compromise so we can end this madness, get on with our lives? i i just personally are just going the other one go nuclear and just walked away from them. i don't i think that was the problem. we can't really deal with them that too clever that's who shrewd they certainly they are negotiators you negotiators and they do you think a mistake to get think it was a mistake to get rid of boris? i think the tories are going to lose so

dramatically in the next election. they'll wishing they hadnt election. they'll wishing they hadn't because obviously whatever you about , hadn't because obviously whatever you about, boris, whatever you think about, boris, he a superb , highly popular he was a superb, highly popular figure. people him .you figure. people loved him. you know, bounce to him like kangaroo bounce, whatever you want to say. i mean , yeah, i want to say. i mean, yeah, i mean, i like boris as a person, but like all of these politicians, they say one thing and then they let you because, oh nowhere boris suddenly imposed this mad green agenda on us, which no one had voted for. but every i mean, what rishi overseas great. i mean, we had a keir starmer's rather infantile five point memorandum. the other day, but what's rishi's rush is i think is to say i'm going to be more by pushing up corporation tax , i'm going to corporation tax, i'm going to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration. you know , it's all immigration. you know, it's all very well for someone to say we want safer streets and police, but we want that. how are you going to eat? say, who's going to cost it is no. there was no

idea who was going to pay for it. how do you think? well, we can all dream. what we need is some action to stay on. all these things that people, these things that annoy people, including your kids including myself, if your kids as are going to as well, how are they going to get housing market? it's get on the housing market? it's great millions of great spending millions of pounds on people shouldn't be here there here because they aren't there with asylum seekers from with no asylum seekers from albania, there's war going on in albania. they are illegal immigrants who've come here as economic migrants and we're just we refuse wipe in all of that clean. it's madness. how they talk all the time and don't deliver and. that's why i think now you're going to see a vote for the reform uk, a big, big vote for the social democratic , vote for the social democratic, because people are looking for alternatives. indeed. but is that to work in our two that going to work in our two party system? is that a party system? is that not a wasted vote. two party wasted vote. the two party system sometimes comes under and don't liberal party don't forget the liberal party were and were massive and years ago and a great of liberal england great deal of liberal england was the superb book. are we seen the great death of conservative england? i think they want destroyed themselves. for i one i would you vote for them i mean would you vote for them now it would be hard it would be

hard. mean mike many of hard. i mean i like mike many of my viewers and listeners. i'm politically homeless. yes, i don't keir starmer as prime don't want keir starmer as prime minister but then again, this is a concern with government that have presided over the woke takeover of society and our takeover of our society and our institutions. they've over, i believe, a disaster covid response. we have soul destroying , the economy and in destroying, the economy and in my view, not any more lives and course economic damage and all the rest . i never say why we've the rest. i never say why we've got this, why got all this debt. you've caused it. however, there is one question which is would labour have been any better and is starmer really the is keir starmer really the answer? no and no. but i think he'll be an experiment, sir. i don't think labour because it just in reality is a paper thin difference between they be like in power . difference between they be like in power. i just think the labour party , a labour labour party, a labour government wouldn't even try adopt these poses , at least when adopt these poses, at least when look at starmer. what does he actually believe in? because we know he stood there. we win when

the 1970s. i know he's done something now , but he didn't say something now, but he didn't say anything then and. what's his vision ? blair had a vision. like vision? blair had a vision. like it or not, mrs. thatcher had a vision what if i go platitudes? it's just honestly. no substance whatsoever. and what do you make so—called wokeness or political correctness ? this idea of correctness? this idea of genden correctness? this idea of gender, ideology , which means gender, ideology, which means that a man is now a woman and we ignore biological sex critical race theory, which implies that if you're white you are racist and, all of the other woke stuff. what's your view that we see that i'm not bigoted in any way i if people want to change sex face up to them hate etcetera let's given that before we say anything else but this is just a degree of madness that we're tilting into when people are starting to say you say is the truth and what the truth is has to be ignored. and it's probably the same across the board. lots of other issues. you can't say something that haven't

happened and how feel and how you yeah i mean, it is you vote. yeah i mean, it is i think it's possibly to with social media, possibly to do with the furlough and the anxiety of the last few years. but it seems to be reaching a crescendo now of craziness . and crescendo now of craziness. and someone's got to be have the balls to say, no, we're not going to take this anymore. i'm not going to say that children have to have transgender toilets and nonsense like this, or maybe maybe toddlers going to perform ences of erotic drag artists . ences of erotic drag artists. well, there you go. i mean, i don't mind. lily savage was wonderful, but there's just seems to be a rush of everywhere you look. it's a it's now. and i just wonder why . and what about just wonder why. and what about your industry? the papers? how are things in the of fleet street. it's changed a lot in your time. well it's a losing perhaps, but i think there's a lot of good papers out there, a lot of good papers out there, a lot of good journalists out there. there still there. and there are still papers worth buying and largely full of columnists. yeah especially. and no, not not in

any way to the least extent. yours but what do you what do you make the telegraph dropping these whatsapp messages from matt hancock it's an ethical dilemma isn't it. isabel shaw has made a commitment. she's made a promise not to matt hancock a non—disclosure agreement . you i'll take agreement. you i'll take delivery of these messages and they will stay with me and alone she's reneges on that now revealed her sources. what do you think? yeah i never trust a journalist this is one of the maxims that you know, i mean, i think it was a bit naive not to have assigned some of non—disclosure agreement . if non—disclosure agreement. if you're going to share all this very damaging stuff, it's not damaging. is damaging. yeah so he was he made the mistake of handing over in the first place. yes. i mean, in a way, it's a dilemma because some journalists are said it's the wrong thing to do because. what's happened is that those that matt hancock and those other politicians have lost their freedom of speech . why their freedom of speech. why isn't private , private . he's

isn't a private, private. he's he shared it with her to write a book by doing that. he didn't. he made it under. he made it. not private . yeah. so i the not private. yeah. so i the fault lies with him . if you were fault lies with him. if you were in isobel's , would you have done in isobel's, would you have done the same? it's a great story, isn't it? i mean, it's a public interest story. yeah, surely can make that case because, you know , finding out things about the lockdown , they've been lockdown, they've been suppressed before . so you're suppressed before. so you're talking it ? we're talking talking about it? we're talking about it. the papers are talking about it. the papers are talking about shedding light on about it. it's shedding light on what on behind closed doors what goes on behind closed doors and that's always a good thing. brilliant take me through brilliant stuff. take me through all the star all your papers. the daily star sunday push on the box continues. and i think stepping down for this is be a 33rd year is the longest column fleet street brilliant not street just brilliant not longest and best gary grey thank you come back and see you very much come back and see us soon. bushell. us again soon. gary bushell. that worth and as we that always worth and as we found out worth listening to as well . now in found out worth listening to as well. now in my big opinion we're going to be debating those

whatsapp messages was it the right to do to reveal them to the public? the telegraph right to drop them so publicly ? i to drop them so publicly? i think they've done the right thing because it reveals the truth, which is that the government knew what they were doing all along everything that we feared came to light. it was politics, not science. it was covering your backside, not saving lives. we'll get to that in my big opinion. also after ten in my take it ten, i'll be deaung ten in my take it ten, i'll be dealing with sue gray who was a top civil servant. she was behind the partygate investigation. well it turns out she's not that politically neutral after all. she's now chief of staff for the labour party. so do the civil have a problem with impartiality are they suffering a left wing political bias? we'll all of that plus my all star and my more meets guest is the woman that was a high flyer in the worlds of jeans. one of the top jobs in america . and the woke jobs in america. and the woke mob got hold of her. they took

away her job, but they gave her her voice. she tells her amazing story. after ten lost to come to go anywhere .

it's time now for the gb news clips of the week. seven days of highs and lows on the people's channel. and we start with michelle, who is tough on politicians and even tougher on her regular panellists, including enforcing strict rules on studio hospitality. take a listen . we don't encourage listen. we don't encourage irresponsible on dewbs& co. i think once a week is the guidelines of responsible drinking. if i was do it five nights a week, that might be stretching a little bit too far us because on fridays . yes, but us because on fridays. yes, but that's because i like interesting, upbeat people on friday i like area people on the

monday i'll teach . yes. there monday i'll teach. yes. there you go . that's what's in our you go. that's what's in our box. yes so bring words there for michelle's alcohol free panel for michelle's alcohol free panel. staying on alcohol and our formidable southwest reporter jeff moody, clearly didn't get michelle's memo that it's booze during the week . it's booze during the week. patrick christys speaking to him after a day in the pub . patrick christys speaking to him after a day in the pub. i patrick christys speaking to him after a day in the pub . i have after a day in the pub. i have you know, i've been here since 10:00 this morning. i've been sampling this amazing ukrainian been sampling this amazing ukrainian beer. i'm about to have my second pint, third pint. second pint, third pint, 10th pint regulations that may vary . pint, third pint, 10th pint regulations that may vary. now i'm a big fan of esther and phil on friday and saturday mornings, and the brilliant esther mcvey knows a good story when she sees one. but on this occasion, you have to ask yourself whether really needed the guest at all queen the plot spoilers take

queen of the plot spoilers take it away . matt claims he has been it away. matt claims he has been able to save a staggering £35,000 by undertaking a diy extension project to his house by youtube and social media. joining us now is scott bagley to tell us the story . fantastic. to tell us the story. fantastic. as i understood it you wanted to do an extension and you asked builders to give you a quote they said 45 k and you must have thought , they said 45 k and you must have thought, well i can do it better than that. carry on the story from there, how did you do carry on the story from there. i think we've already heard what's next the titanic , an iceberg in the the titanic, an iceberg in the atlantic ocean and sinks not carry on the story from there in the agatha christie whodunit, it was the butler all at home not carry on the story from there and last but not least, snow white and the handsome prince live happily ever after. esther not carry on the story from there the brilliant esther einfeld will be back tomorrow at

10 am. always a brilliant watch and a brilliant listen now on my last week, i was lucky enough to get an interview with lady victoria hervey and it turns out. myself and her ex—boyfriend, prince are not the only ones who are very big fans of this royal insider eat special in the company of socialite aristocrat reality , socialite aristocrat reality, star, entrepreneur and model and its go no less . by the way i'm its go no less. by the way i'm currently i'm an it's boy so and if you believe that you'll believe anything lady victoria hervey hello , alice. despite the hervey hello, alice. despite the camera on, even when i'm talking, i don't blame him. he's a man of taste director alastair house. right. direct to alastair now, sadly single after his girlfriend watched last week's show, he's always trying to appearin show, he's always trying to appear in clips of the week because he's so desperate for us to show that old photo from times when he used to work a model. i can categorically assure you that we will never waste time showing that photo again . well, i guess we. who's

again. well, i guess we. who's directing the show tonight, alastair? moving swiftly on my marvellous colleagues. mark longhurst and soon to be deputy political , longhurst and soon to be deputy political, said tom harwood would by a background . as tom would by a background. as tom reported from parliament, take a look at the placard behind tom in westminster. boris johnson isn't a massive fan of the agreement . he's saying that it agreement. he's saying that it could in certain ways act as a drag uk regulatory diverge agents from the european . union agents from the european. union know the sign, read jesus will return soon. why not? anything is possible . however, the man is possible. however, the man waving that placard was later carried off to a secure mental unit after holding another sign , which said the tories will win the next election. tragic now let's talk about this one. it's dewbs & co again, and michelle dewbs& co again, and michelle seems to be distracting her viewers . she says, michelle, viewers. she says, michelle, i love your show, but please, can

you stop showing your lazy, undersized husband from cooking dinner ? well, i'm wearing the dinner? well, i'm wearing the same underwear. and let me tell you, it fits very well. now jacob rees—mogg has joined and he has made a fantastic start. everyone is loving the show . all everyone is loving the show. all wondered what it would be in the programme politics culture, maybe something we could imagine. this is the people's channel. so for our nightly edition of vox populi, vox day , edition of vox populi, vox day, we all see you . vox populi, vox we all see you. vox populi, vox de sounds naughty. jacob is not latin for something root . nicely latin for something root. nicely done. latin for something root. nicely done . we will finish on patrick done. we will finish on patrick christys . not literally. don't christys. not literally. don't panic. patrick has a unique bond with the regulars , his show. but with the regulars, his show. but i didn't realise was this close to former brexit party mep ben habib. he's going to go on the

hard salad and say, i'm going to enter ben for ben habib. it. run that by me again. patrick and ben . ben have even . patrick, ben. ben have even. patrick, i think you should check ben first. maybe get to know each other better. a candlelit dinner, perhaps couple of glasses of wine. but if it does work out, i do hope i'll be getting an invite to the wedding and. those your clips of the and. those are your clips of the week . well, there you go . lots week. well, there you go. lots to get through. we're going to be joined shortly by sandi bogle from gogglebox to answer a simple question, is it reality tv making britain stupid ? and tv making britain stupid? and don't forget, after nine, in my big opinion, i'll be dealing the whatsapp messages from matt hancock proving what we thought all along. they were following politics, the science. so you went to .

welcome back to mark dowland tonight after 9:00 in my big opinion i'll be talking those whatsapp messages and we'll get reaction to tomorrow's big stories with my all star. but now has reality tv made us stupid ? we are going to stupid? we are going to delighted to welcome a big star of reality tv herself from to big brother and everything in between. sandi bogle . hi, sandi between. sandi bogle. hi, sandi . hi sandi. great to have you on the show. can tell me through the show. can tell me through the various reality you've done, you've done gogglebox , which is you've done gogglebox, which is basically a tv show in which people are filmed watching telly . celebrity big brother . what . celebrity big brother. what else have you? celebrity big brother. famous advice cry hundred percent hotter celeb on

the farm. egg heads . i mean, i the farm. egg heads. i mean, i could go on and on why control the lorraine show right? what makes you do these sandi . makes you do these sandi. because this reality is real life and i love reality . i can life and i love reality. i can be myself . i don't have to put be myself. i don't have to put on tho airs and graces. what you see is what you get and that's how it's supposed to be. that's what reality tv is supposed to be like . you being you not be like. you being you not faking it open. anybody else . faking it open. anybody else. thatis faking it open. anybody else. that is reality . sandi, is there that is reality. sandi, is there good money in it? it depends. like, i mean , there's always like, i mean, there's always this controversy of how far you are in ladder, how far up and down or , whatever thing. but, down or, whatever thing. but, you know , at the end of the day, you know, at the end of the day, if you if you just be yourself and you you connect with people, then can make as much money as you can. you know, it's you just got to be you. your famous. now, how do you handle that sandi ? to

how do you handle that sandi? to me, being real. being me . how do you handle that sandi? to me, being real. being me. no airs and graces . if i me, being real. being me. no airs and graces. if i did me, being real. being me. no airs and graces . if i did change airs and graces. if i did change my family would actually say what you doing? this is not you. so what you see is what you get. and you can ask anybody, is me like old? are you getting stopped in the street? or you go into tesco and you're trying to do the weekly shop and you pestered for selfies and all the rest it. yes, i do that to be, you know, get to be able to finish shopping. but i mean it's just the smiles on everybody's faces and you know, when people are like they run up to the or the other day actually it was yesterday actually somebody actually said that it was my i was talking my brother and they just said to me it was my voice they recognised and then my nails and then my hair. but is my voice actually and my laugh. my giggle . i do think that's

my giggle. i do think that's shows like gogglebox are entertaining it was a surprise hit, wasn't it . gogglebox and hit, wasn't it. gogglebox and credit to channel 4 for rolling the dice creatively like that . the dice creatively like that. who knew that the british public would want to watch themselves watching? nobody. the six words. it was amazing the concept to whoever thought it because even when we approached it was like we could no didn't understand the people watching tv, watching us watching tv. you know, it didn't actually calculate straight away . but the concept straight away. but the concept is , yeah, it works amazing and is, yeah, it works amazing and it's still going. so you know it must be there must be do something correct how does it work how many hours do they film for? oh it can be long. it could be short. you can't really put any hours onto it because anything could happen, because reality is what it is. so if anything happens straight away, then obviously you have to be able to be able to film it and

people will see the reaction. so you know, it changes up and down. you know, as i said, you know, it could be it could be any any amount of time. i do think gogglebox is one of the more innovative , smart formats. more innovative, smart formats. but do you think that reality tv especially shows like love island and big brother are making us more stupid ? well, making us more stupid? well, i mean, as i said , keep it 100. mean, as i said, keep it 100. when reality started years ago . when reality started years ago. i believe that that was real to reality . yeah. now oh i mean, reality. yeah. now oh i mean, i'm talking about like big brother back in today's x factor . obviously gogglebox but they were real that . was real. now were real that. was real. now contrived could i say i mean. oh i don't deal with scripts . it's i don't deal with scripts. it's them people being what to do or people told what to say is not

the same as it used to be, as as i'm concerned , i only deal with i'm concerned, i only deal with reality tv shows not which not shows that people have to be told and shown what do and what told and shown what do and what to say . yeah. it's is that to say. yeah. it's is that that's not reality to me? that's my opinion. but, you know , i'm my opinion. but, you know, i'm going to say, as people know me ikeep going to say, as people know me i keep it 100 to keep it real. that's not reality for me is plant it's is contrived contrived . the reality are two contrived. the reality are two different things you gogglebox is reality is what you see is what you get . so yeah people what you get. so yeah people make not believe me or not want to agree me but that's their opinion. we're all that type of opinion. we're all that type of opinion and my opinion is some of contrived and i sound . 90 is

of contrived and i sound. 90 is reality. i wouldn't want disagree with you. i'm not that brave. lovely to have you on the programme and we'll catch up soon as you ask. you ask me any look, you know me and else we send. we'll just keep it. keep it real. and i'm saying what i believe is happening now . believe is happening now. lester, what a treat . you've put lester, what a treat. you've put a smile on all our faces. lester, what a treat. you've put a smile on all our faces . sadly, a smile on all our faces. sadly, betty, the star of gogglebox , betty, the star of gogglebox, celebrity big brother, a much more we'll catch up soon. now, listen, we spoke earlier to godfrey bloom, former ukip mep , godfrey bloom, former ukip mep, of course, and we lost the line, unfortunately. don't worry, he hasn't been censored or cancelled i believe that godfrey joins us now. we've put a pound in the metre . sorry we lost you in the metre. sorry we lost you earlier, godfrey can we move the conversation on to the politically homeless because you've been equally excoriated about the conservative the labour party you even pretty

sniffy about reform uk will there ever be a home for the politically homeless ? it doesn't politically homeless? it doesn't seem in the immediate future that that's going to be the case and of course the original question was does civil service have a left wing bias? and i would argue that politicians right the board have a left wing . we now have relatively new socialist government, which isn't conservative at all. and the opposition is pure socialists. so it's a bit like a bit like curry. you can have a prawn curry or a lamb curry, but it's still curry and people want 999 it's still curry and people want egg and chips. it's still curry and people want egg and chips . and that's the egg and chips. and that's the long and short of it, i'm afraid . no, i don't think we're ever going to go to a parliament and who actually reflects the will of ordinary people . and that's of ordinary people. and that's really been shown by brexit, voted massively for brexit and we haven't got it, have we? we

haven't got it . and it seems to haven't got it. and it seems to me that things now are passing by parliament. the world health organisation now is going to make our decisions , the future make our decisions, the future for our health treatments. the imf , the wef, all people. imf, the wef, all people. parliament really doesn't have much to do with the way we governed anymore, does it ? it governed anymore, does it? it would seem not. do you think the problem is our electoral? is it is it first past the post? would help proportional representation and could that allow a small lower party to rise up the ranks and ultimately prevail prevail ? and ultimately prevail prevail? well, it certainly worked for ukip and the word i got on the street when we were having a referendum for ukip . ukip was referendum for ukip. ukip was doing it under proportional representation which so many people said to me that they haven't voted for years because it was a waste of time voting , it was a waste of time voting, red or voting blue? it's really a waste of time. and then they said i'm going to vote on this because my vote actually count.

they're going to count it. and they count . of course, they did count. of course, brexit was voted through , but brexit was voted through, but the house of lords, the house of commons civil service commons and the civil service have stalled. it didn't want it and it was negotiated by theresa may and the civil service who did their best to sabotage it and. it still sabotaged , yes. and. it still sabotaged, yes. proportional representation . but proportional representation. but i because i would go than that, mark, i wouldn't allow political parties at all as i said on your programme before , i believe you programme before, i believe you to stand at the hustings on the election and say, my name is fred and i believe in this . no fred and i believe in this. no rosettes, no reg blues, no greens. it's this is me, this is what i stand . and people in your what i stand. and people in your constituency vote. i would get elected to parliament on that bafis elected to parliament on that basis and so many others who stand up for the ordinary working well. i think that's an interesting point. i've always thought party membership is a bad idea. thought party membership is a badidea.a thought party membership is a bad idea. a party is a strange idea because i would never want to be allied to one political grouping . my opinion changes ,

grouping. my opinion changes, you know, intermittently . it's you know, intermittently. it's organic and you learn about life and your views change. and can i ask you about ukip, do you think they are still force in politics now? i don't . so because you now? i don't. so because you know, they had their chance basically and they blew it. they did a wonderful in getting the referendum and winning by helping to win the referendum all that was marvellous and some wonderful patriotic. but what we need now is to step into a new dimension. we want a one trick pony. we could have. what we really is . a is an old really want is. a is an old fashioned conservative party as the lord salisbury saw it, the most successful conservative administration , and that is very administration, and that is very low , very low taxation . and low, very low taxation. and let's get rid of the 6 million civil servants, whether left wing or not, 6 million. let's have a good look at the 6 million people who seem to be on the dole when people are crying out for workers. let's have a look at that and get back to the

country that we should have, which is low regulation and is the way forward for any economy, not just britain, any economy low, tax and low regulation . so low, tax and low regulation. so we can expand the economy . we can expand the economy. godfrey i'm glad we caught up in the end. worth the wait. godfrey a blame for me ukip mep political comments and dropper of truth bombs at 9:00. in my big opinion, the sensation of lockdown files prove what feared the covid response was about not science and the powers to be were laughing at us through out in the big question is 18 too young to get married ? in my take young to get married? in my take it ten as top bureaucrat sue gray joins the labour party as their of staff. is it proof that our civil service is not impartial about lots to get through? don't go anywhere anywhere .

it's coming up to 9:00 on market poland tonight in big opinion the sensational lockdown files prove what we feared the covid response about politics, not science and the powers that be when at us threw out my mop meets guest is woman who was destined to become the boss of fashion giant levi's before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob here jennifer stays incredible story after ten in the big question the legal age of marriage to 18 will ask is that still too young to get married is the right age in which to tie the knot. plus my take at ten on these sue grey's story. hi of course by labour. i'll be to that. we've got the papers at 1030 sharp as well. lots to get through including

that big opinion monologue, by the way, i've got the sue gray. i'll be reacting that as well. first, the headline . so whilst first, the headline. so whilst that's happening, i'll be reading whatsapp from matt hancock . hi there. hancock. hi there. i'm armstrong. the gb newsroom. bofis armstrong. the gb newsroom. boris johnson may have misled the house commons at least four times, according to mps. his conduct over party eight. the commons privileges committee says breaches of coronavirus rules in downing street would have been obvious to johnson at the time. the former prime minister repeatedly denies rules were broken at number 10. when asked about it in the commons. mr. johnson says it was his belief all guidance had been followed. the reason there's no to show that . i must have known to show that. i must have known why i must believe that illegal were taking place. it's because i didn't . and i thought we were i didn't. and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of

our in very difficult circumstances is in number 10 in the cabinet office night and day . and i believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations. so thatis with the covid regulations. so that is why i said what i said in in parliament. well, boris johnson also says he would have quened johnson also says he would have queried sue gray in dependants before appointing her investigate partygate if he'd known she joined labour , the known she joined labour, the senior civil servant who's been appointed , keir starmer's, new appointed, keir starmer's, new chief of staff , found widespread chief of staff, found widespread rule had taken place in government . mr. johnson was government. mr. johnson was fined police as a result. labour say boris johnson is using the appointment to vindicate himself after he was ousted over a series of scandals major ambulance strikes in england and wales have been off after what's being described as a huge shift in the government's position over pay. the staff were to walk out on and wednesday next. well unison and gmb they've been assured there's additional for

pay assured there's additional for pay rises outside the current budget. however, 3000 members of unite the smallest ambulance union will walk out on monday after rejecting offer of pay talks . teachers in scotland, talks. teachers in scotland, meanwhile , are set to suspend meanwhile, are set to suspend their planned strikes, an improved offer which amounts a pay improved offer which amounts a pay rise of 14.6% over 28 months. unions will consult their members, but they have recommend . did their members recommend. did their members accept what the scottish government's call the largest pay government's call the largest pay package in over 20 years? the disgraced american lawyer, alex murdaugh has been sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his wife and son. the jury took less than 3 hours on thursday before convict in the murder of shooting his wife and son on their family estate in carolina in 2021. prosecute argued successfully. it was an attempt to distract him from stealing millions of dollars from clients to feed drug habit . and the us president joe biden's been a clean bill of health after , having surgery to health after, having surgery to remove cancer last month. the

white house has confirmed a lesion removed from his chest was a common form of skin and no further treatment will be required. mr. biden is expected to launch a bid for re—election in the coming weeks. to launch a bid for re—election in the coming weeks . tv online in the coming weeks. tv online and dab+ radio this is gb news. now it's back to market open . now it's back to market open. thanks hour . we'll see you at thanks hour. we'll see you at ten. welcome to in my big opinion, the sensational lockdown files proved what feared the covid response was about politics, not science and the powers that be were laughing at us throughout. it might take ten as top bureaucrats. sue gray joins the labour party as their chief of staff . proof if you chief of staff. proof if you needed it , that our civil needed it, that our civil service is far from impartial. by meat's guest is the woman who

was destined to become the boss of a fashion levi's. one of the biggest jobs in fashion before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob . here jennifer sees the woke mob. here jennifer sees incredible after ten. in the big question after the legal age of marriage rises 18. we'll be asking is that too young to get married ? what is the right age married? what is the right age to get married? we're still waiting for mike parry . get waiting for mike parry. get married. i wouldn't hold my breath . we got to start today's breath. we got to start today's papers . well, at 1030 sharp with papers. well, at 1030 sharp with a full panel reaction. and in the news agenda, i'll be speaking to former head of royal protection di on whether woke policing is making us less. reacting to tonight's stories, all my fantastic of the aforementioned bachelor very eligible let me tell you journalist and broadcaster mike porky parry put a ring on it mike brilliant please go and social commentator lizzie zita and the face of sport two and

politics on gb broadcaster and writer aidan magee now want to hear from you throughout the show market. gbnews.uk this show has a golden rule. we don't do bonng. has a golden rule. we don't do boring . not on my watch. i just boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. do you stick around for my take a ten. but i'll be dealing with sue grey's report you know where you can stick it. lots to get through. big debates, big guests and, always big opinions. let's start with this one . what's up with with this one. what's up with government by whatsapp ? because government by whatsapp? because the stunning lockdown files of released messages from the then health secretary matt hancock demonstrates . what we feared all demonstrates. what we feared all along , that this government was along, that this government was trapped in terrifying and undemocratic groupthink in which headunes undemocratic groupthink in which headlines being seen to act and avoiding battles with political rivals is what shaped the pandemic response . covid pandemic response. covid measures, masks lockdowns,

school closures , those pathetic school closures, those pathetic plastics in shops and arrows in supermarkets, which i consider nothing more than covid theatre were nothing to do with public health and everything to do with . masks are the perfect example. they covered our faces to protect their i'm talking about the politicians . no overwhelming the politicians. no overwhelming , compelling evidence that these environmentally damaging and socially harmful devices which are now rotting in landfill and clogging up our oceans , would clogging up our oceans, would make a blind bit of difference . make a blind bit of difference. stop the spread in full. let us be seen to do something mode. the outgoing scottish first minister, nicola sturgeon chose to mask at kids schools, some as young 11, sat in the classroom all day long, their faces covered according to these messages on. whatsapp. the then prime minister, boris johnson's response was that we'd better

mask kids in england in order to avoid a battle with sturgeon . avoid a battle with sturgeon. did they even think for a moment for a second, what impact this might have kids on their mental health, their physical and wellbeing of and their education, as well as comparing that had mask mandates those that had mask mandates those that didn't the most recent review the most authorised study to date suggests that during the pandemic masks nothing but without compelling data backing them up. all of these measures rolled on courtesy of whatsapp governments. the pinged back and forth doubt fuelled on occasion by taxpayer funded red wine . by taxpayer funded red wine. this vain and shallow opera was played out as our lives, our economy , our society were economy, our society were egregious damaged. it's journalism from the telegraph newspaper and sheer courage from their reporter, isabel, who was

brought opprobrium on herself for breaking her silence and sharing these messages . sharing these messages. astonished only rather than receiving praise fellow journalists. she was harangued this week by the likes of the today programme on the bbc . a today programme on the bbc. a surprise as they grilled her about sharing these messages. my responsibilities having finished that book with him are now to the public interest . that book with him are now to the public interest. did you write the brilliant press . i write the brilliant press. i mean that's a matter of public record. and did the telegraph former were important the public interest is far more important. the telegraph paper and messaging journalist . so they messaging journalist. so they did pay you for this? i'm a working journalist. it did not pay working journalist. it did not pay me for the messages . so why pay me for the messages. so why all these establishment figures so critical? oakeshott's decision to all of these massive cases? could it be because they want the public to know the truth? you tell me. given the fact course that it was

establishment media like the babe sky and others who peddled the narrative that we had to lockdown , save lives. and given lockdown, save lives. and given the fact that they piled pressure on politicians , roll pressure on politicians, roll out these measures. perhaps they don't want to look back at what actually happened. and it was these establishment media, many big stars on tv and radio, who belittled, attacked and gaslit figures from the world. science, politics and ordinary members of the public who looked at the pandemic response masking people, closing schools and shutting the economy down and off for two and a half years and said it was madness. we were all granny killers and right wing. apparently how does that work? well, here we are with a wrecked economy , a national debt of over economy, a national debt of over £2 trillion, with half a trillion having been borrowed to pay trillion having been borrowed to pay healthy people to stay at home and improve their banana recipe. beyond that we also have diminished kids a sadder, angnen diminished kids a sadder, angrier, poorer sicker and more

divided society . don't forget divided society. don't forget part of these covid measures, which, in my view about making headunes which, in my view about making headlines , saw the nhs headlines, saw the nhs effectively going on strike, focusing on the elimination of one virus at the expense everything else. the legacy . a everything else. the legacy. a waiting list of over 7 million people. but about your health. and these whatsapp messages demonstrate . the cavalier and demonstrate. the cavalier and unaccountable in which all pubuc unaccountable in which all public figures on power rolled the dice in such a dangerous way . on one occasion, a top adviser joked with matt hancock about locking up visitors to . the uk locking up visitors to. the uk in hotel lol . be clear, all of in hotel lol. be clear, all of these measures were a gamble. they were a punt. the danger oversold the public were treated like children and the reaction was truly catastrophic . i've was truly catastrophic. i've been worried about this potential stitch up of a public inquiry which may fall into the intellectual trap of asking why didn't lock down faster and

harder. luckily the release of these whatsapp messages this inquiry will be forced to take into account the non evidence based approach that underpinned all of these measures . i believe all of these measures. i believe that history will that we had too many of these measures to not view leaving the rest of us pick up the pieces. from this disastrous failed experiment inspired. don't forget by the communist party of china the lockdown files reveal our worst fears . none of it was science . fears. none of it was science. it was all politics. and whether it was parties at ten or hilarious on whatsapp, they laughing at us all along . laughing at us all along. lockdowns a up and now have it in black and white. message from these messages is very clear. we a terrible mistake . never again a terrible mistake. never again

. what do you think? now the government will argue that without the covid measures. lockdown means face coverings and other many lives have been lost. and they would argue that these measures, including masking were carried out by countries across world, and that ensuring the nhs didn't become overwhelmed was their priority. something they would argue. these measures achieved. that's not my view . but what's yours? not my view. but what's yours? this is the home of free speech. gbnews.uk. get emails in reacting to my big opinion all broadcast journalist mike parry political and social commentator lizzie zita, sports writer and broadcast to aidan magee . broadcast to aidan magee. lizzie, let's start with you. great to have you back on the show. these lockdown files, prove what we thought all along it was political, not scientific . it was about saving their backside kids, not our health. yeah, i would agree with . but i

yeah, i would agree with. but i also think was a certain element that nobody knew what was going on mark. nobody knew they did it in italy. they did it all the world. they locked down because they didn't have a better plan . they didn't have a better plan. now, at the time, i was to people who were involved in a.i, artificial intelligence , and artificial intelligence, and they were saying to me, look we should not be locking down, we should not be locking down, we should be doing x, y and z. the government are not taking any nofice government are not taking any notice us. now who would want to govern the or anywhere at that point? because was so difficult. on the other hand, i do think i mean, some of these text messages are just disgusting, frankly . and the decision not to frankly. and the decision not to test people as they were going into care homes is just appalling . absolutely appalling appalling. absolutely appalling , indeed. i mean, mike parry , my , indeed. i mean, mike parry, my concern is that it illustrates what we feared all along, concern is that it illustrates what we feared all along , that what we feared all along, that this was not evidence based . you this was not evidence based. you know, this was not a sort of a weight data that that backs

these measures. and it strikes me from the tone of these messages, mike, it was a punt. well look, rosie just made the point that nobody knew what was happening at the start. now, i was a big supporter of the first lockdown. okay. i thought it sounds scary . yes. china sounds very scary. yes. china were almost certain that we had lied about . the were almost certain that we had lied about. the origin of this terrible pandemic where it was coming from , where it was going coming from, where it was going to go to. so were paralysed with fear. so i grew up the first lockdown after that . i wanted an lockdown after that. i wanted an evaluation , what it was all evaluation, what it was all about. and once decided not to follow bird instinct because it was talking about italy and all that kind of stuff. okay. and to stand on their own two feet and independently assess how their society would respond to lockdown, we should also of had the courage and the ability and the courage and the ability and the foresight to look into . i the foresight to look into. i think it took about 40 years after the second world war to pay after the second world war to pay off the debt of what happenedin

pay off the debt of what happened in those days. this is going to take just as long because we've paralysed the country. final and certainly we are in such terrible debt but the only thing that politicians can think about to get us out of it is to tax us to all or to borrow more. why aren't we getting more messages through that? it should have been the start of a new drive to reinvest in the country to try and get growth in the economy. that's the way we've got to face it now. otherwise we're doomed for the next four decades. aidan magee the government will argue they following scientific advice . chief medical officer. you've got chris, you've got patrick vallance . in the end it was vallance. in the end it was really sage that would dictate these policies and all they trying to do is save lives . trying to do is save lives. yeah, possibly . but trying to do is save lives. yeah, possibly. but i think the one thing that whatsapp messages have revealed in the last few daysis have revealed in the last few days is that that wasn't the case.it days is that that wasn't the case. it was about politics. it was about saving the government.

they a 90 or 80 seat they had a 90 c or 80 seat majority. they should have been confident and confident in their own skin and doing the right now, to be honest. yes i did sympathise at the didn't know myself the time i didn't know myself which things go. we which way things going to go. we didn't natural locking didn't feel natural locking down, didn't . the down, but we didn't. the messages in the last couple of days almost like an days mean it's almost like an episode apprentice. it's episode of the apprentice. it's half protagonist around half a dozen protagonist around a bluffing the way through a table bluffing the way through , something don't , something they just don't understand . and the upshot of understand. and the upshot of thatis understand. and the upshot of that is that, as mike said, we're be for we're going to be famous for decades decades. i don't decades upon decades. i don't believe would acted believe labour would have acted any . don't believe any differently. i don't believe the have done. the lib dems would have done. i believe labour take labour believe labour will take labour or if they go in or even the dems if they go in as part of a coalition would take the narrative any different at any in any other different direction years to come direction in in years to come ehhen direction in in years to come either. mean, the either. but yeah, i mean, the message again, matt message is once again, matt hancock of it absolutely hancock comes of it absolutely terribly. anyone terribly. i don't think anyone anyone pandemic than anyone had a worse pandemic than that bloke. i interviewed him six years about cricket. and six years ago about cricket. and he way through that he bluffed his way through that interview good interview and i wasn't good enough in the room. enough to get in the room. i thought, know what, this thought, you know what, this guys in politics guys can have a in politics because he got out of the school

we interviewed him as quickly as possible thought possible and i thought he's going for labour i think going to go for labour i think would made last longer would have made it last longer and the other thing and i think the other thing which all know now how on which we all know now how on earth do you run government through whatsapp messages? when earth do you run government throthey whatsapp messages? when earth do you run government throthey eversapp messages? when earth do you run government throthey ever sit p messages? when earth do you run government throthey ever sit around ages? when earth do you run government throthey ever sit around a es? when earth do you run government throthey ever sit around a table'hen did they ever sit around a table and now let's get some and say now let's get some constructive advice, let's get something , set it on the table. something, set it on the table. so on the table nothing comes in on table. what's upping each other ? you know, sandwich other? you know, sandwich drinking wine in the cold, sending a message to each other, saying all the teachers, a bunch and all this kind of stuff. let me that's not really the way to run country . me that's not really the way to run country. it me that's not really the way to run country . it was me that's not really the way to run country. it was appalling run a country. it was appalling political control of something that was out of control but should have been brought back under control. it was set. nobodyin under control. it was set. nobody in charge. it was more was it was reckless. it was mistake. we're going to return to this conversation in at 1030 with the papers because this story is over the papers. story is all over the papers. i know that is itching to know that zita is itching to contribute to that, so we will return with papers at 1030, but later hour in news agenda later hour in the news agenda with my panel and former of

royal protection dai davies woke policing making us less safe. that's the view of suella braverman. the home secretary . braverman. the home secretary. but next in the big question is a teen too young to get married. see you .

in three in response your big opinion says all this shows to me a terrible vamanos attitude out of the ruling class. is despicable arrogance and utter disdain for the public . these messages the public. these messages expose and entitled boozy of touch regime that runs in the presidential style , a bloated presidential style, a bloated machine that is number 10. the mask has finally slipped, and now the party is over. very elegantly . he puts a flood of elegantly. he puts a flood of emails coming in left, right and

centre . how about this from centre. how about this from mahmud's mark? you can rant and rave as much as you like about how the government should handled covid 19. no one really handled covid19. no one really had any full proof knowledge as to how to deal with it. from the government to the road sweeper , government to the road sweeper, the government did what it could with knowledge its with the knowledge to them, its history . it's time to move on. history. it's time to move on. mahmood thank for that. keep those emails coming. market gbnews.uk . those emails coming. market gbnews.uk. it's time for this. it's time for the big question in which we tackle a major news story of the day. a new law came into force this week which increased legal age of marriage to 18 in england and wales , to 18 in england and wales, people could get married at 16 or 17 if they had parental. people could get married at 16 or 17 if they had parental . the or 17 if they had parental. the government said the would help protect vulnerable children being forced into marriage. well all of this begs a wider question . young people getting question. young people getting married too hastily altogether .

married too hastily altogether. is even 18, too young to tie the knot? to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome writer at conservativehome student campaigner and all round good 999 campaigner and all round good egg chloe dobbs. campaigner and all round good egg chloe dobbs . chloe, how are egg chloe dobbs. chloe, how are you? i'm good, thank you. how are you? very well. great to have you back in the studio. what do you think? 18 is too young to tie the knot. i that it is young to not to tie the is too young to not to tie the knot. i don't think that the knot. but i don't think that the state should decide that it's too to tie the knot. too young to tie the knot. i think that it was for them to put legislation to move put in the legislation to move it 18. but shouldn't move it it to 18. but shouldn't move it any higher. why is 18 too young? i'm i think, know, i'm i think, you know, especially from my experience, 22 in the past of 22 and even just in the past of years, i've changed massively as a twenties the a person, your twenties of the years really changed years where you really changed not personal and even not just your personal and even dating change standards dating you change your standards of are . and to dating you change your standards of the are . and to dating you change your standards of the people are . and to dating you change your standards of the people thatare . and to dating you change your standards of the people that ie . and to dating you change your standards of the people that i fanciedto dating you change your standards of the people that i fancied at me, the people that i fancied at 18, if i was with them now, be miserable. i don't think you're in a great place to make a good at that age. yeah. and actually, isuppose at that age. yeah. and actually, i suppose the other issue with with 18 year getting

with even 18 year olds getting married that still married is that still impressionable and 18 year old could be bullied and cajoled into , getting married, marrying into, getting married, marrying someone they don't want . so someone they don't want. so there could still be an of forced marriage if you weren't careful. good luck forcing the marriage someone that 40 or marriage on someone that 40 or 50, right? exactly. exactly have a much better backbone. i definitely was far more impressionable when i was 18 years old, only a years ago, years old, only a few years ago, and it is awful if you're in a situation that is very difficult, get out of, especially if you're 18, you don't have probably are not very rich. you have much money to get the legal help that you need to have divorce if that's you have a divorce if that's you need families. i think are advantageous to society they create social cohesion. it's good for the economy. it's good for crime. i think most data proves that . what should the proves that. what should the government messaging be about when the best time to get married? is there a perfect age? i say there's a perfect age. i don't think i would get married until 30. i think people are very different. people 30 compared 20. i understand compared to 20. i understand that people who want

that there are people who want to a family younger and to start a family younger and thatis to start a family younger and that is fine. but if you want to have a strong family and, children are for. children that are cared for. well, want be with the well, you want to be with the right who's going care right person who's going to care for yourself. for your child and yourself. well, child's not going to well, the child's not going to be in a good environment if you choose wrong person, there's no need and if you're with need to rush. and if you're with someone 18 you is someone at 18 who you think is amazing and are the right amazing and they are the right person they still person for you, they will still be with you at 25, 30. i didn't want to wait till i was 30 because i worried i'd lose because i was worried i'd lose my i think that's my looks. i think that's something on something that's always on my shoulders always let's shoulders and always will. let's get the views of dr. arthur cassidy. presenter and social media celebrity media and celebrity psychologist. cassidy to psychologist. dr. cassidy to mark dolan tonight. hi mark. are you with . what do you think you with. what do you think about 18? is it too young to married? of course it is, yes. we know from evidence research in developmental psychology that thatis in developmental psychology that that is that you're just moving out identity exploration of who you are and who you might want to be. and so it's crossing our barrier from from childhood and

perhaps through through to early adolescence and through late adolescence and through late adolescence into early adulthood . so the person at 18 or 19 years of age, even 20 years of age and have the necessary range , self—perception and confidence just to understand the emotional regulation, emotional regulation, emotional regulation, more , it's very regulation, more, it's very important ingredient in a commitment to a long term marriage for many, many years . marriage for many, many years. and so that doesn't come till around age of 25, 26 years of age. so it takes the brain of any young person you know up to the age of 25 to accommodate their range of emotional regulation and competencies to deal with stress and to deal with who they are in the big world of work and employment. and so i an advocate basically that this is far too young. it should be 21. to give people the breathing space and the security because they're still very much who on parents and guardians that age and so we need to be felt that they are secure within

themselves their secure in their identity and that will only come and once we move through the from privacy rights needs of 14, 15, 30, 1920 where they are then beginning to negotiate that massive change at university life and academia where those are the priorities . getting a are the priorities. getting a good job getting security they don't have the finance to set up and get married they can cope with those because i deal with these young people all the time and i said britain after brexit, britain in 17 eight, in 1920 rules the competence levels were not. well, i'll you're sounding very sensible. i mean first of all what about love what about. what about love at first sight? and also , if you look at the and also, if you look at the fifties and in particular was society not quite well by people getting married . at 18 they'd getting married. at 18 they'd had all of their kids by the time they were in their mid twenties. did that? did yes. that was a model . you know, the that was a model. you know, the big media and all of that. that's what was it. but it was

very much more biological and psychological. so it was a little facile and it still is love at first sight. and don't mention it. yes, but look, many people today and believe that she is beautifully in his and there's instant attraction . you there's instant attraction. you know, and there is that whole sexual traction. that's what dominates our media nowadays. it's not about the emotions , i it's not about the emotions, i think, of a commitment in loving relationship. it is , you know, relationship. it is, you know, but we know from research more. that's going back to what we had then in the sixties and seventies. you know , was, as you seventies. you know, was, as you rightly said and still is, it's about that interpersonal attraction, the whole science love the science of as all dnven love the science of as all driven by biology of the brain . driven by biology of the brain. today it's , more complicated. we today it's, more complicated. we live in a more complex world than we did in the sixties, 70 century media. and so we social media has a lot to contribute in a very negative way that the brain development many young people and can destroy many brain very good relationships. well, there you go. let's let's bnng well, there you go. let's let's bring chloe into the

conversation and chloe daubs. what do you think about dr. cassidy's suggestion ? actually, cassidy's suggestion? actually, marriage have a minimum age of one. i mean, i think that that is more reasonable than moving up to 2530, which is what i think is probably a better time to get. yeah, well, i'll be honest. if you wait till 30, you'll never bother. because then you'll have tasted freedom. well, maybe , but i think that well, maybe, but i think that the best way to go about this , the best way to go about this, to win the argument to , explain to win the argument to, explain to win the argument to, explain to people that is too young, not for the state to put in a law thatis for the state to put in a law that is not to win the minds of people. people are still going to make bad decisions at 21 who aren't ready yet. we need to tell people wait until they tell people to wait until they are ready emotionally and they figured themselves out to know who is best for them before they decide to . that's the best way decide to. that's the best way to it. and you to go about it. and you suggested you might wait till your 30. do you think the divorce would be lower ? we divorce rates would be lower? we waited . yes, i think that waited longer. yes, i think that they would be i think people

would have more of a chance to discover themselves and really choose the person who is right for them, who meets their standards, meets their needs. thatis standards, meets their needs. that is inevitably going to result in lower divorce rates. if there aren't people who making silly decisions also , i making silly decisions also, i got married when i was 26. it's worked out well, but just in case, what's the best age to get remarried? well you're right. 26 to 32 and that just costed it in. the north american european literature mark. so you've got to write a book. so many people do. but right. i mean, it is how we have accommodated. we're more secure in the studies with our career. we have learned the bafic career. we have learned the basic foundations and. we are then in a better frame of mind to mix and discriminate what we want in terms of cultural expectations. i know where mark, i was just thinking as we introduce the programme and, i'm beginning to think this new legislation is that inclusive of

all ethnic groups because i've had students when i taught university, i had many students who told me stories of their sisters and brothers married at 13, 15, 14, and in other countries . so i'm beginning to countries. so i'm beginning to think more about the cultural aspects that of the legislation , whether or not our new legislation will incorporate all of those groupings, but not. yeah. tell you what the mind boggung yeah. tell you what the mind boggling , doesn't it? my thanks boggling, doesn't it? my thanks to dr. arthur cassidy, presenter and social and celebrity psychologist and writer at conservativehome , a broadcaster conservativehome, a broadcaster and student and entrepreneur, it turns out chloe . dobbs your turns out chloe. dobbs your reaction market? gbnews.uk very about my mark meets guest who is the woman who was destined to become the boss of fashion giant levi's before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob. here, the incredible story of jennifer say after ten we got the papers 1030 with full panel reaction .

1030 with full panel reaction. next. should the benefits of truancy and kids lose benefits, should we rewrite that sentence folks should parents who have truancy and kids lose their benefits and also is streaming of football as bad organised crime lots to get through our news agenda .

big response to big opinion which you can now see on twitter at gb news says whatever the tories , whatever mess they made tories, whatever mess they made of it, why why is nobody mentioning that keir starmer and his ilk , labour said covid was his ilk, labour said covid was a gift for the labour party because the conservatives had to struggle their way through a pandemic of an unknown disease , pandemic of an unknown disease, not them. they could sit on the sideline and criticise. well, i'd add to that , simon says. i'd add to that, simon says. labour wanted more lockdowns, so

god forbid that sir keir starmer would have been in charge . would have been in charge. reacting to the big stories of the day. we have my all star panel broadcaster and journalist mike porky parry, political and social commentator lizzie zita and sports writer and broadcaster and someone that has torn out the soul a wardrobe. it is like mickey , we're going to is like mickey, we're going to spin through three news agenda topics now. that's right. it's all big three. and michael gove has suggested the parents who failed to ensure their children attend school could have their child benefit payments stopped. the secretary of state for levelling up housing and communities hasn't you that such penalties would restore ethic of responsibility . lizzie what responsibility. lizzie what about that parents of trenton kids lose their benefits. look it's a really difficult thing it's a really difficult thing it's nuanced it's complex . why it's nuanced it's complex. why are they in saying why you can't just talk you got hang on a second now it's not why kate it get your kid dressed in uniform. give them breakfast, send them

to school, which we've been doing for decades. but we now no, i don't think it's as easy as that. and i don't think that people, michael have ever people, michael gove have ever been situation where been in a situation where they're at they're extremely pressure at home they the spit on home and they feel the spit on the through their shoes the road through their shoes because afford. a new because they can't afford. a new pair. is extremely well—off pair. he is extremely well—off and i don't think that he understands the struggles that some people go through on the other kids need to be in they need to be in school in particular. the girls need to be in school. i'm very pro girls getting an education and we don't know any of the demographic of these is it more girls not going and we need to know more information you can't just immediately take away their benefits when these families are struggling anyway as a last resort possibly but not immediately. no, i don't we have always had grinding poverty and yet were already always able get their kids to school. poverty is relative , right? poverty is relative, right? poverty is relative. it's changed over the

decades. okay, now i understand what lizzie saying , but if what lizzie saying, but if a child is suffering home, that child is suffering home, that child would rather be at school. do you see? i mean, because school is safe haven, isn't it, if having a bad time at home. so the minute child doesn't turn up then we've to have a system where the school finds out why the child is not at school. right. we've got to have a system like that in scandal in countries when a child is off school, they send the best friend round to house rather than an official something like that to try and detect what the problem is because children will talk to other children rather than talk to adults. so we've got to have some of a system like that. but the point i'm making is this once again, we're not strict enough in this country and in enforcing discipline of all wonderful society and once you let the rules of our society is the most civilised in the world to drift away anything could happen. so you've got to jump on it immediately. no children have to

be in school for so many reasons obviously to learn but also to acquire all social skills they need to get on in life and they don't do that by either a being kept off or not going to school for reasons that they have not explained . got to find those explained. got to find those reasons. okay. ain't colonel truancy is huge problem. did you know this that children in school don't actually go to their lessons now that's something that you can cope with in school, but you've got to extend up beyond the gate and get back to the homes. and i support michael gove and say, make punishable for parents not to ensure they everything they can to get their children to school because if they don't they are damaging developing lives. oh okay yeah. well, amen to that. now say that people who illegally stream channels like sky tv are basically organised criminals. this is after

concerns about the impact of illegal streaming . police raided illegal streaming. police raided homes in london, stoke glasgow and edinburgh to shut down a service allegedly selling the streaming devices so and other people who try and watch a 3 pm. kick off really comparable p.m. kick off really comparable so you don't need to archive well don corleone no not quite but the big companies have brought this on themselves, unfortunately , i was quoted unfortunately, i was quoted a renewal i think last year, 195a month for an all singing, all dancing sky pack, £195 a month. yeah. yeah, it would be lot. it would. yeah. and so would i pay. well yeah exactly mean that would include things babe station mike you know to my knowledge but i've sorted out playstation hd it gets paid to get paid for filming on that as well know look it's a by product of the commercial strategy of the big the big rights holders mean pop in the it costs point £1 billion just for sky to show premier league matches. so the cost has to then be passed on to

the customer. now i worked at sky for ten years. it was a real blow when we lost the champions league to beattie back in 2013. now the issue there that we didn't miss it at first, but overall there was a cumulative effect of subscribers drifting away that really affects the subscriber model . and so when subscriber model. and so when you lessen and reduce so this is probably the year actually from 2003 they realised the rights and made it, they made it and they'd made it, they made it illegal for one company to have all the rights portfolio. even a no actually unhappy with no one was actually unhappy with that. they were happy with the one you what it one stop shop. you know what it meant. they diluted the, meant. it they diluted the, the diluted holders. it diluted the rights holders. it meant that like you and meant that people like you and i had to or three had to buy two or three different subscriptions when no corporate you corporate name there was, you set the place a bashing set them in the place a bashing on doors . you have to send an on doors. you have to send an email when there is a crime in this . yeah, that's nonsensical. this. yeah, that's nonsensical. well, you it's just crazy. i'm not really this is happening anywhere. i read i read about it in the sun about three or four weeks ago. i don't believe it's happening. but when you when you

reduce the quality of the of the service and increase the prices, people inevitably different people inevitably seek different streams to watch that. but it is theft. it mean you know we theft. isn't it mean you know we criticise the police for not cracking down on this cracking down on crime this theft on threat scale of theft on the threat scale of millions millions of pounds millions and millions of pounds of blackout help either of blackout doesn't help either because irrespective the because irrespective of the rights portfolio and who owns what and who can show what you show four kick offs on show three or four kick offs on a and people will do a saturday and people will do anything. see game? they it anything. see that game? they it was in sweden you can watch was like in sweden you can watch in on the saturday. yeah. in sweden on the saturday. yeah. the question on jim davidson supporters in dublin, the supporters club in dublin, the isle have not the isle of wight have no not the onune isle of wight have no not the online of the drop of me because they to watch it 3:00 in the afternoon like on but once again it was the europeans year so yeah when you were at sky you only have to pay for your sky subscription in and you got all the money unhappy with that the money was unhappy with that mark hufflepuff mark nobody was on hufflepuff on that this is a that they said oh this is a monopoly we've got to bring competition and as happens then you've got pay bgt. you've got to pay for bgt. i'm scottish sometimes came scottish and sometimes it came initially it espn was initially cope with it espn was was great news for you which is

great news this free i play on my on the radio if you're my way on the radio if you're joining the show if you're enjoying the channel tell your friends tell family and let's change together now change the world together now mike, i've got 60 seconds on this. yes, sir. story and i got three a partially sighted pedestrian has been jailed for three years for the manslaughter . cyclist who was . an elderly cyclist who was riding on the pavement who heard that? oriel excuse me, oriel that? oriel and excuse me, oriel grey swore and gestured at 77 year old clear waters . they year old clear waters. they passed each other on a shared path by. a busy road in cambridgeshire, mrs. ward tragically fell off her bike and into the path. a car. she lost her life. yes was it manslaughter? no this is a very tragic case. the lady on the bike 77 years age. okay. bike was 77 years of age. okay. she on a pavement now the last i remember looking at the way we run society pavements are actually for pedestrians. okay i don't think this was a route. you know, sometimes i live down on the south coast and there's bikes her pedestrian there i think it was just an eight foot wide pipe was a dual use it was

a do but it wasn't marked on the on the floor. you saw it. i mean, it wasn't clear to the who were walking was in a cycle lane on the page. it didn't look like a cycle. and the pavement to me the pictures i saw now i've had plenty i don't know about too, but plenty of problems plenty i don't know about too, but cyclists plenty of problems plenty i don't know about too, but cyclists hurtlingf problems plenty i don't know about too, but cyclists hurtling towards ns with cyclists hurtling towards me. i'm on pavements, bikes and scooters . spikes and scooters. scooters. spikes and scooters. yeah it's a lycra . it's sure you yeah it's a lycra. it's sure you like from. i always stand out of the way for two reasons. i don't want to get hurt and be you know full well likely to be an aggressive confrontation between you and the person on the bike because. that was once that was on a fight aragon so. cyclist i agree that was a cyclist should they get of my way? they should an edge plates , plates. there an edge plates, plates. there you go. all right. an edge plates, plates. there you go. all right . insurance you go. all right. insurance away and tragic story and very, very sad for the family of lady involved in take a ten is the civil service institutionally left wing will debate that it might take it ten and i'm not

pulling my punches off the sue gray invested gates the government over partygate then joins the labour party. you couldn't make it up. next is couldn't make it up. but next is work policing making us less safe or speak to the former head of royal protection died abc shortly .

did mark says jillian i love it when . you have mike on your when. you have mike on your panel and aidan to your best wishes. jillian, thank so much for that . plenty love coming in for that. plenty love coming in for that. plenty love coming in for lizzie zita as well. we do have the best political commentators on mark dolan tonight home secretary suella braverman made a noteworthy speech as counter extremism conference this week in which she said was concerned political correctness had created a blind spot which allowed islamic extremists to operate under the radar and said there can be no place for political correctness

in our national. in fact, i'd like banish it all together . so like banish it all together. so is woke policing making us less safe. here to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome dai davies , former head of royal protection for the metropolitan police. good evening . hello, police. good evening. hello, mark nice to see you again at does mrs. braverman have a point. is woke police thing making us less safe . well, they making us less safe. well, they certainly if you listen to the chairman views he made 34 recommendations and probably the answer yes. the problem we have 43 chief constables and their minions in country, some of them undoubtedly are woke and they are governed or , held to are governed or, held to account. i 43 amateurs and that's problem. we have nobody really holding some of these chief constables and the metropolitan police properly to

account and without a doubt the prevent which is what she was talking has let the side down incredibly and we've concentrated so much on so—called right wing where with greatest respect in my half a century of policing and being involved in security . the number involved in security. the number of attacks by so—called right wingers you can on two hands whereas the number of attacks by islamic terrorists you go into many hundreds almost all the plots are on equally so we have about 10,000 so—called islamic supporters in this country which we are not doing enough to target. so, yes , she is right. target. so, yes, she is right. what i'm sad about is 12 years on mike reid, who was then home secretary , said the home office secretary, said the home office wasn't for purpose. well, it's fit for purpose because they're in charge this prevent and they're far woke by so many

definitions . they're far woke by so many definitions. in my opinion . definitions. in my opinion. let's bring my panel into this conversation . and if we can di , conversation. and if we can di, i think that seems to be very aspects of woke within police force. you've west yorkshire police grovelling . to the police grovelling. to the islamic over a damaged copy of the koran clearly offence was caused and that's regrettable but you've got a teenage boy with autism and who's receiving death threats . well a top cop death threats. well a top cop from west yorkshire police doesn't condemn that you've got coppers engaged with extinction rebellion and insulate brits and of glutamine to the m25 and the coppers are saying would you like cup of tea would you like a sandwich? what has happened to the culture of policing ? well, the culture of policing? well, sorry, are referring that to me. i agree with you, don. i simply i agree with you, don. i simply i simply don't understand . we i simply don't understand. we don't follow the principles as

laid down in 1829. you know, our job or the police's job is to prevent crime and detect those who committed, but they are aided and abetted some of these woke chief and indeed commissioners in, the met assistant commissioners particularly lee, who've come out with incredibly woke statements of late . they are statements of late. they are aiding and abetting of these nonsense by some of their comments there. so petrified of upsetting people you shouldn't be as a cop. you should be strong. you should obey the law, direct the law appropriately. but they often lay down by the courts . and let's face it, if courts. and let's face it, if you were running an organisation. now the success rate of so many constables and commissioners in the met 1.5 people who put before the courts or the success rate is 1.5. of those who are accused of rape knife crimes, only 38% go to prison. i could go and on with statistics if . you were running

statistics if. you were running an organisation now's chief constables and others in leadership positions are would be sacked tomorrow yet put up with it as a nation and i'm filled with despair at what's going on at the moment. nobody is showing any kind of leadership . there are leadership. there are exceptions, but there are very and even mr. cook, the new haytham ai, he can't tell chief constables what to do, he can make recommendations. so constables what to do, he can make recommendations . so there make recommendations. so there needs to be a royal commission into the police in this country. so we start getting things right. the public , you and i are right. the public, you and i are being let down and we're paying for this nonsense . we're paying for this nonsense. we're paying through our tax dollars, but we're paying through being victims of crime as well. lizzie zita i mean, this woke policing, it permeates , so many aspects of it permeates, so many aspects of civil including the grooming . civil including the grooming. well, absolutely i was listening to your report and i'm thinking about the young girls and the women that have been really badly let down. look, when

somebody breaks a law seeks to harm somebody , they should be harm somebody, they should be punished . it doesn't matter if punished. it doesn't matter if they're black or blue or what they're black or blue or what they believe in. they should be punished . if you stop that , the punished. if you stop that, the whole of society starts to crumble. and that is what has in that fantastic that gb news did in rotherham. i mean, it was appalling what's happened there . i read a father manchester is having the same problems, but his daughter is being abused. why aren't the going after these guys ? it's appalling and i think guys? it's appalling and i think that i think that this whole woke thing , people are getting woke thing, people are getting really sick of it and. i think it's over really apart from the shouting, because it doesn't make any sense. it doesn't up and it doesn't have its feet in morality and good common sense . morality and good common sense. that's what i think. and especially these things. i've got a young daughter , i'm very got a young daughter, i'm very protective of her and it

horrifies me that to think that the police aren't there to protect her, it is a terrible thought. i davies the big problem with the clock against us is public confidence must be at an all time low . well, i tend at an all time low. well, i tend to agree with you. sad factor is there are so many good cops to do their job in. there is an do theirjob in. there is an excellent woman, detective constable, but wasn't listened to. that's the problem we have somehow in a state where we have those in command who realise that woke is wrong, those in command who realise that woke is wrong , then not that woke is wrong, then not realising that job to command and lead and direct the law against those who break it. i simply don't understand why we tolerate such a low level of tackling criminality . and it's tackling criminality. and it's not middle classes. it's people in lower class that normally get if only did davies was leading of britain's thank you di . next

of britain's thank you di. next up is the civil service institutionally left wing .

it's 10:00 it's10:00 and this is mark dolan's night in my take ten in just a moment as top bureaucrat sue greyjoy the labour party as their chief of staff. proof if you needed it that our civil service is far from impartial. my mark guest is the woman who was destined to become the boss of fashion giant levi's before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob. here jennifer sees incredible in just a few minutes . plus tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 sharp. but first, the headlines with karen armstrong . hi there. karen

armstrong. hi there. karen armstrong. hi there. karen armstrong here in the gb newsroom. borisjohnson armstrong here in the gb newsroom. boris johnson believes he'll be vindicated by an mps report despite it finding breaches of coronavirus rules and downing street would have been obvious to him at the time. the commons privileges committee investigate his conduct during partygate believes the former prime minister may have misled parliament at least four times. mr. johnson it was his belief all guidance been followed and there's no evidence he knowingly or recklessly misled employees. the reason there's never evidence to show that i must have known. i must have believed that illegal events were taking place is because i didn't. that illegal events were taking place is because i didn't . and i place is because i didn't. and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of ability in very difficult circumstance is in number 10, in the cabinet office night and day and believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations . so that conformity with the covid regulations. so that is

conformity with the covid regulations . so that is why regulations. so that is why i said what i in in parliament. well, mr. johnson also says he would have queried independence before her to investigate party eight if he'd known she joined labour. eight if he'd known she joined labour . the eight if he'd known she joined labour. the senior civil servant who's been appointed sir keir starmer's, new chief of staff found widespread rule breaking had taken place in government buildings. mr. johnson was fined by police as a result . labour by police as a result. labour say mr. johnson's using the appointment to vindicate himself after being ousted over a series scandals . major ambulance scandals. major ambulance strikes in england and wales have been called off after what's been described as a huge shift in the government's position . pay tens of thousands position. pay tens of thousands of were scheduled to walk out on monday and wednesday week. unison and gmb say they've been assured there is additional money for pay rises the current budget. however 3000 members of unite the smallest ambulance union will walk out on monday after the offer of talks . after the offer of talks. meanwhile, teachers in scotland

set to suspend their planned strikes , an improved offer which strikes, an improved offer which will amount to a pay rise of 14.6% over 28 months. unions will now consult their members, but they've recommended members accept what the scottish government called the largest pay government called the largest pay packet in over 20 years. the disgraced american lawyer, alex has been sentenced to life prison without parole for murdering his wife and son. the jury murdering his wife and son. the jury less than 3 hours on thursday before convicting murdoch of shooting his family , murdoch of shooting his family, their family estate in south carolina in 2021. prosecutors argued successfully it was an attempt to distract from him stealing millions of dollars clients to feed his drug . the us clients to feed his drug. the us president joe biden's given a clean bill of health, having surgery to remove cancer last month. the white house confirmed a lesion removed from . his chest a lesion removed from. his chest was a common form of skin cancer and no further treatment will be required. mr. biden is to launch

a bid for re—election in the coming weeks. a bid for re—election in the coming weeks . tv online and dab+ coming weeks. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back. mark my thanks to our man who returns in hour's time. welcome to . my in hour's time. welcome to. my mark meats guest is the woman who was destined to become the boss of giant levi's. before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob here, jennifer , woke mob here, jennifer, incredible story. that's up in just a few minutes . plus, we got just a few minutes. plus, we got tomorrow's papers at 1030 sharp with full panel reaction . with full panel reaction. speaking of which, with me until 11 broadcast star and journalist mike haughey parry, political social commentator lizzie zita and the face of sport and politics on gb news broadcaster and writer aidan magee . lots to and writer aidan magee. lots to

get through. but first, my take it . ten the sue gray report now it. ten the sue gray report now a bit greyer than meets the eye. this experienced civil servant was seemingly the trusted neutral figure we needed to lead the investigation into so—called partygate and unauthorised social activity is within government. during pandemic she's why to them why they said squeaky clean even non—partisan balanced than an standing on a stool at the circus. well the elephant in the room is that has now signed up to the labour cause. hiding in plain sight. grey has played key roles in several departments, has shown her cards and joined the cervix free leader of the opposition, kissed in becoming labour's of

staff. surely this renders the partygate investigation which i've got to copy of here, completely null and void. now the prime minister rishi sunak the prime minister rishi sunak the opportunity to block this appointment, at least for a couple of years. but i don't think should, because this is an own goal. and it's not just by grey who is partygate investigation now less credible than a nadine zahawi tax return . but it's an own goal by starmer who can no longer deny the civil service is institute suddenly left leaning . yes, suddenly left leaning. yes, every being has an opinion and, a political view. but it's the civil service. his job to serve the elected government of the day, whatever their colour and with her decision to head up labour's war machine. sue gray , labour's war machine. sue gray, in my view, brought the civil service into disrepute , or at service into disrepute, or at the very least damaged its reputation for impartial

reality. between now and the next election, this formerly neutral civil servant will doing everything in her power to achieve a labour government doesn't sound very impartial to me. and for the record here is my copy of. the partygate into a weighty tome and. it will be very useful next time i run out of loo roll . it's time flush out of loo roll. it's time flush out our partisan civil service . our partisan civil service. i'll have to clean up that later. now let's get your views on this sue gray argue that leading an investigation into partygate is a completely different role to running the labour party and that her approach was in no way adulterated or compromised by her political leanings and the civil service would argue that they employ thousands of people from all backgrounds , they've

from all backgrounds, they've got a broad and diverse range of views, none of which colour the work they do. they would also point civil servants who have gone on to work for the tory party but what do you think is the service institutionally wing? does the partygate investigate and still have credibility ? mark at gb news. credibility? mark at gb news. don't you? well, it's already a big response . stuart has emailed big response. stuart has emailed mark. i've been in the civil service for nearly 40 years whilst. individuals hold all sorts of views. the woke career gender identity and other idiotic diktats that come from the are definitely all left wing. steve of course, the civil service is left wing. do you think ferguson , whitty and think ferguson, whitty and vallance are any different from sue gray? they're all communists . at least susan michie is honest about it. time to clean house. well, steve, thank for that. keep those emails coming, especially if you'd like to speak up for our civil servants. reacting to my take to end my

all star panel of broadcast and journalist mike porky parry, political commentator and author lizzie zita , sports broadcaster lizzie zita, sports broadcaster and presenter. lizzie zita, sports broadcaster and presenter . ayton. what's and presenter. ayton. what's what's your reaction to sue gray working for the labour party ? i working for the labour party? i don't think it's a great look for the civil service. no it's not. but then know of key tories at the very top of party who recruited their own people and employed civil servants employed them as civil servants . we look at the civil service as a whole. would reject any as a whole. i would reject any suggestion is actually left. suggestion it is actually left. it's left of centre is a it's more left of centre is a subtle difference if we consider bbc, for example, as a comparison they can recruit from the same kind of metropolitan pool and its left of centre. it's more, it's more really but it goes kind of left but you know what that this has been perpetuates by policy politics that's because that's caused problem because just like a premier league football manager want to football manager they want to bnng football manager they want to bring to bring everything back to football. a minister football. but when a minister into department average into a department the average tenure would tenure is probably, i would imagine about 13 months. so no permanence there. there's no scope to actually affect any

long term meaningful change. if we think to the era of yes, minister back in the 1990, as i remember jim hacker played by rememberjim hacker played by the late great paul eddington, he was head of the fictional he was the head of the fictional . it was a department of administrative affairs. was administrative affairs. he was in humphrey next in charge. but humphrey next to him played with him, him he played along with him, but they just had but he just knew they just had to where jim to ride out that where jim hacker in charge before, hacker was in charge before, they could get back to doing what they were going to do. unless have ministers unless we have ministers that are going be in control for are going to be in control for five, years to effect change five, six years to effect change or than that, or probably less than that, because we have because obviously we have to look a parliamentary. we're look at a parliamentary. we're not difference. not going to see any difference. but don't the wing, but i don't think the left wing, they left of centre subtle they are left of centre subtle difference. mike tyrie no, i don't with. very good don't agree with. my very good colleague here from the colleague aidan here from the moment that tony got in moment that tony blair got in was yes, to 97. he had was up 97. yes, to 97. he had the most able community working for him. alastair campbell and peter mandelson. okay on i am absolutely certain and i know ali very well, i've known alastair campbell for 30 years working in fleet street him but they started an absolutely

specific plan to make sure that the communique eaters in their government were going to communicate the message that they wanted to go out. that meant that the chief press officers in every were going to sing from same hymn sheet, that there permeated, in my view, right way through the civil . but right way through the civil. but it's not that's not no no no no left of centre. no it's not it's not it is left wing because the labour party essentially are left wing labour but new labour unions are left. do you was only a cover labour if you saw it. i mean it just a cover they put on it but but it's now labour now where i the tories have gone so badly is that when david cameron got in 2010 the head of the coalition government right. he might say well i was a bit hamstrung. i couldn't, you know clear out the civil service still going to thousands of people . of course you are. but people. of course you are. but now had they've now how many years since ten. 13 years to

still in the sort of people represent their own message they've only got themselves to blame are you believe the civil service is institutionally left wing and the people who join it from universities and the young people want to get into politics right now it's not new and i civil service new labour unions so we know the conservative party social democrats they think the same way we know the civil service. we know academic here in this country has been drift in left wing for the last 25 years. longer, yet longer , 25 years. longer, yet longer, probably since the second world war. right. since i was born. yeah, that's right. and that means that those young people, they see a ways into politics. can't be an mp , get into the can't be an mp, get into the civil service and they've brought their left wing leanings from university campuses , these from university campuses, these into the civil service . it needs into the civil service. it needs a root and branch is reorganisation but it's too late now okay let's easy to win the

clock against us this from david bofis clock against us this from david boris was stitched up by the civil service and investigated by the civil service , half of by the civil service, half of whom have joined the labour party. corrupt, says david, you'll reaction. lizzy, look , my you'll reaction. lizzy, look, my reaction is this that i read as much as i could over that party. great, great probe. and i thought was very, very measured . she did not go to attack boris . she did not go to attack boris . she was very methodical in her reporting . and i thought it was reporting. and i thought it was very, very fair the way she she did for ps guilty you said in line to party. yeah i mean and you know he is guilty it was a very stressful time. i pose and we think that we report way too much on all these parties because i think there are bigger issues at stake there are really and i think we should draw a line underneath it . yes. he's a line underneath it. yes. he's a lawyer. you should not have done it because we were all locked,

etc, etc. but is enough already. okay oh, well, look, i tell you what, a couple of very illuminating emails have come . illuminating emails have come. fascinating what you said there , lizzy, how about this for an idea, folks from david, we should do as they do in america. the government of the day should pick the civil servants on their left wing. that is why the tories cannot get anything done. then of course, that's before you get to brexit. many you even get to brexit. many think blob had been working you even get to brexit. many think that. b had been working you even get to brexit. many think that. b hadpeople/orking you even get to brexit. many think that. b hadpeople inking you even get to brexit. many think that. b hadpeople in the against that. most people in the tory even brexit to tory party even want brexit to happen. okay , jeremy says. happen. well, okay, jeremy says. also noting , the police also worth noting, the police and crime commissioner darren, who investigated starmer and reign gate, a labour reign big gate, is a labour candidate . no wonder he was so candidate. no wonder he was so confident about getting off. thanks your emails. them thanks for your emails. them coming up . looking forward coming next up. looking forward to my more meets guest . it's to my more meets guest. it's jennifer. say the woman who was destined to become the boss. a fashion giant. levi eyes before she gave it all up to take on the woke mob . an incredible the woke mob. an incredible story. she's .

next okay, handsome a—lister. let's do it . problem with director do it. problem with director a—lister spends too long looking the mirror. but if i looked like that, i would t welcome to mark dolan tonight this for marc mates in which i speak the biggest names in the world of politics, sports and beyond . one politics, sports and beyond. one of the most successful corporate executives of her generation , executives of her generation, jennifer say, a former national athletics champion. as who as one of the senior figures at levi's was tipped to take over as ceo of one of the most famous brands in the world. so what went wrong? just a few innocent tweets early in pandemic questioning the need for school closures. there a social media pile and pressure from her

employers not to comment further on the issue, notwithstanding her huge talents and ambitions as a business leader was not willing to stay silent on issue of the welfare of children . as of the welfare of children. as a mother and a human being with empathy , a conscience, empathy, a conscience, astonishing . although her astonishing. although her objections to covid measures were hardly controversial . this were hardly controversial. this sorry drama ended in jennifer's departure from the company . departure from the company. however, it has led to a bestselling levi's un unbuttoned the woke mob took my job, but gave my voice and having a massive social media following and considerable support for the stand she has jennifer been far from silence ever since . and i'm from silence ever since. and i'm delighted to say that she's going to be very noisy right now. jennifer, say welcome to mark dolan tonight eyes . hi, mark dolan tonight eyes. hi, mark. nice to meet you. thanks having me. it's a great privilege to have you on the show. let's back to early in the

pandemic jennifer, you're one of the most senior people at famous, of course, for their jeans and fashion where you were brand press what was your terrible crime initially . at the terrible crime initially. at the very beginning, i was the chief marketing officer and amidst my contrarianism, i actually promoted to brand president. you're which is next in line for ceo so that says something about my performance i was very outspoken from the very beginning march 30th, 2020 in asking questions and challenging restrictions . children closed, restrictions. children closed, schools , playgrounds, masking of schools, playgrounds, masking of we mask two year olds in the united states year olds. i mean that's right i focussed my advocacy on children because i thought that was a bridge that could kind of find some common ground that nobody would want to harm . but boy, was i wrong . you harm. but boy, was i wrong. you say these views weren't , but say these views weren't, but they were incredibly where i

lived in san francisco . so you lived in san francisco. so you had to embrace stay home forever, lock yourself at home, lock your kids in their room and it dangerous the isolation if you dared mention learning you were a horrible racist and i persisted in outspoken about it for two years. i led rallies . i for two years. i led rallies. i was on local news and eventually , you know, i was cajoled to stop repeatedly for years. and i refused . and eventually i was refused. and eventually i was told, was no place for me at the company anymore. i was offered $1,000,000 in severance to stay quiet and sign a non—disclosure agreement and, walk away quietly, which i refused to because wanted to be able to speak out on the censorship, because without this kind censorship, we would have had a societal conversation about the harms being done . if people like harms being done. if people like me who asked questions weren't demonised, we could have talked about this and come to a better answer . i about this and come to a better answer. i mean, you guys came to

answer. i mean, you guys came to a better answer schools were closed for to two years in closed for close to two years in the i mean, it was imperfect, sure. but the schools did open and the us lost their mind. and blue states and cities. 18 months of school closures, a full two and a half years of disrupted schooling for children. and this did left versus right you were called right wing except that really you were a traditional liberal as the americans put it you are historically a sort of democrat . you're a lefty , but somehow . you're a lefty, but somehow the left have left. you well, yeah.i the left have left. you well, yeah. i mean, i was a lefty. i wouldn't identify as such anymore. i would i'm unaffiliated. i i am true to principle party. and you know the way the american left operates right now. it's completely ideological and if you don't support every aspect of the narrative then you will be called evil and you be called every single horrible name that makes you unemployable. in the book and you'll be banished .

book and you'll be banished. it's completely ideological. truth has nothing to do with anything and have to uphold every single of the platform . or every single of the platform. or you have to go . you're you're you have to go. you're you're dangerous. and you're evil, and you're a racist . let's go you're a racist. let's go through those different tenets do you make of the so—called woke movement , i do you make of the so—called woke movement, i think it's fair to say, comes from the progressive left . what do you progressive left. what do you think of gender, ideology ? says think of gender, ideology? says a man is a woman. think of gender, ideology? says a man is a woman . the basic a man is a woman. the basic facts of biologic sex. what do you think of critical race theory which effectively you are racist if you are whites ? yeah, racist if you are whites? yeah, i mean, i can go through the list one by one gender ideology have to believe in a lie , which have to believe in a lie, which is that there is no thing as biological . there is. i won't biological. there is. i won't further that lie. i am inclusive and i will discriminate against trans people , but i will not trans people, but i will not further a lie . there is such a further a lie. there is such a thing as biological sex body is

another welcome movement. you have to further the that you can be healthy at any size and that food is neutral there are no bad foods, there are only good. you cannot be healthy in any size. obesity is a serious problem in the united states that is part of the world movement as well. and if you challenge that, you are called a fat phobe, which i was called for suggesting that the centres for disease control should do a get healthy campaign because people that were suffering and having poor outcomes from covid were very often people who are . i mean, often people who are. i mean, the list goes and on and on and i will not further you . the lie i will not further you. the lie of covid was that everyone was at equal risk that children were filthy vectors of and that closed schools weren't harmful because kids were resilient. none of. that was true. none of that was true. you were very person. you've had an amazing career as a national gymnastic

champion and then a top corporate leader. you that the woke mob went you and you paid the price, which was your career. and i would imagine a huge financial price as well . huge financial price as well. can you tell me what you've been through emotionally, jennifer ? through emotionally, jennifer? you that's really the hardest part because as my life is unravelling from what it was before i worked levi's for 23 years. you know, this was not, you know, i this was my life my entire adult life had been spent there. i had friends for two decades. i've lost of my friends because take issue with my and my outspokenness . there have my outspokenness. there have been family ruptures that are not yet repaired and i don't know that they will be and i don't have a job and i think i'm still considered a little bit too mouthy and dangerous for corporate america because i say what i think and, you know, i speak in my own words. don't wait for talking points to be given to me. and even though

i've been proven correct on every counts that closed schools were harmful to children, and we're seeing impacts of that now. mental health learning loss. and of course those harms the most were the ones that i said be which were the low income children. black children, all of it. it doesn't matter that i was right, because it's scary to have somebody in your thatis scary to have somebody in your that is not going to instructions and is going to stand up and take a stand for what she believes. then they don't want that. and so, you know , it's uncertain what's next know, it's uncertain what's next for me. and that's scary, but i'll be fine. i know i'll be fine. well a hero to me and i've got no so many of my viewers and listeners challenging the narrative, whether it's bonkers, woke ideology or crazy covid measures . i woke ideology or crazy covid measures. i mentioned your life and your career. former national gymnastics champion and then your glittering corporate career , then a bestselling book. i mean, everything touch does turn to gold. it used to turn to denim, of course . do you have

denim, of course. do you have anyidea denim, of course. do you have any idea what you would like to do next? i mean can you imagine returning to the corporate or starting your own business, or will you just stick with campaigning ? would you like to campaigning? would you like to do well, i'm not going to let this issue go , so i will. i this issue go, so i will. i i won't sacrifice my voice , return won't sacrifice my voice, return to corporate america . i would to corporate america. i would say that because i want accountability incredible and harm was committed under the guise of sort of virtuous ness . guise of sort of virtuous ness. it was virtuous people in their homes and isolate children. and it wasn't was evil and it was cruel and. people made these policies politicians left democratic politicians made these policies that harmed children and harmed low income people. so i'm not going to stop talking about that, even though people tell me to i am making a documentary film right now . the documentary film right now. the harms to children from the problems closures. that's problems closures. so that's where energy and attention where my energy and attention is right now you will always have a platform here in the uk on gb

news don't forget jennifer this is a global show a global channel. many people are watching in the united states and, north america on youtube and, north america on youtube and do look forward to your and i do look forward to your return your book return to the program your book is out now it's called levi's the woke mob took my job but gave me my voice and what a voice that is my thanks to you jennifer. say we've got the papers next hour, of course, with full panel reaction and some amazing headlines, including more from the whatsapp messages drop and good old matt hancock. see you shortly .

welcome to mark dolan tonight. it's just gone 1030. so it's time for this. it's just gone 1030. so it's time for this . yes, we got time for this. yes, we got tomorrow's papers hot off the

and we start with the paper. they lead with the following . they lead with the following. bofis they lead with the following. boris johnson come in peril. after texts from own staff, a series of whatsapp messages from his advisers cast doubt on johnson's version of events . and johnson's version of events. and he's called to parliament in two weeks to give evidence about his conduct. senior number 10 staff thought there was a great gaping hole in his denials about illegal parties illegal lockdown parties as inquiry misleading the house of commons gathers pace former pm attacks process and faces possible suspension from parliament. the daily mail next a boris not a shred of evidence . i misled mps and charles's coronation oil will be vegan . of coronation oil will be vegan. of course it will. daily mirror next to mps johnson verdict parties. he knew because he was there. partygate rule breaking would have been obvious to boris johnson. a report said today , johnson. a report said today, probing whether the ex—pm lights parliament confirmed he did attend bashes as news slapped snaps of him. lockdown drinks emerged . he faces a commons

emerged. he faces a commons quiz. daily telegraph hancock's battle with sunak over covid rules . ministers sought to rules. ministers sought to enlist the cabinet secretary as he tried to force through tougher kerbs on the public . tougher kerbs on the public. interesting story that proving my theory about sunak which is that he was a lockdown sceptic and the lockdown files seeming seem to be standing that story up also revealed lockdown lovers, frantic search for an excuse. this of course, the romance romantic clenched between his partner, gina and himself caught on cctv tv in i think it was health department. and one of the corridors there. and one of the corridors there. and they frantically search for an excuse for their misbehaviour . the times mps could punish johnson and the queen queen camilla. we have to get used her new title we joined fiona bruce at the eden projects cornwall for a special episode of the antiques roadshow , the guardian antiques roadshow, the guardian partygate fresh johnson misled msps . also, medical students

msps. also, medical students asked to step up in doctors strike and guns n roses to headune strike and guns n roses to headline the glastonbury festival alongside elton john. the great gaping hole in boris's partygate defence and the daily star . how partygate defence and the daily star. how about this news that shock absolutely nobody pinocchio is a feather rule at number 10 during lockdown would have been obvious to ex—pm and he may have misled for parliament times say the who are calling him bozo pinocchio johnson. those are your front pages. johnson. those are your front pages . let's get reaction now pages. let's get reaction now from mike lizzie, zita , aidan from mike lizzie, zita, aidan magee and aidan magee . the halo magee and aidan magee. the halo has slipped for boris. do you think that any hopes of a political comeback are now dwindling? he said in a way, he didn't say that he couldn't see himself back in frontline politics any soon. i don't know. i mean, the he wins elections, you know, he you look back you know, he was you look back at the it was a real achievement

back in 2008, him winning the mayorship because that mayorship in london because that thatis mayorship in london because that that is a that's a labour roll because labour is london is a labour city. and so he he showed and he that he can win and he showed that he can win elections. sort of elections. he has that sort of midas that . not many midas touch that. not many politicians really have actually. david cameron couldn't quite part of quite get it. he was part of a coalition, wasn't he? of course, theresa over theresa may couldn't get over the in and won the line. boris came in and won elections the conservative elections for the conservative party. so do i he'll be party. so do i think he'll be back? i right back some back? yeah, i right back in some form. otherwise he will be denying so vociferously. denying this so vociferously. but think public but you think the public care about right? the about this, right? given the fact view. is and fact that my view. is and listeners are struggling to heat their homes in cars. get their homes in their cars. get a gp appointments. keep job. mortgage the lot. you know mortgage rates the lot. you know why are the media establishment so obsessed with boris johnson and this blinking ? i have got no and this blinking? i have got no idea . but it bores me to be idea. but it bores me to be quite honest with you . and i quite honest with you. and i think another thing as well, that we're after 10:00 on wave, i can say go for it. i think the rishi sunak should strap his balls and say to boris , box out

balls and say to boris, box out him . also, liz truss , what are him. also, liz truss, what are they doing? strong around on the world stage going the ukraine. he's not a prime minister anymore. he was lawyer. we got rid of him . but that's okay with rid of him. but that's okay with liz. that's many. he does want to return to the front. well maybe he does want to return to the front and is a liar. so, of course you say that's he's also he's amoral. why doesn't he just go to america and write books and go on to talking to because he's got to do the ego he was he were a democrat he received a five year mandate to run the country and it was cruelly robbed of him. yeah, he wasn't going to make. you can make that case he's still got an 80 seat majority. look, i think majority. look, i don't think he'll back and i tell he'll come back now. and i tell you i think sunak has you why? i think rishi sunak has started to develop his own political credibility . no, political credibility. no, actually, i would much rishi sunak have solved the problem of people in little boats coming the channel rather than the

northern ireland protocol because nobody actually really about the northern ireland protocol well the irish i. i do but it's you know it's about 1% of all trade dictates but in this country like yeah well i'm hoping i'm hoping that rishi sunakis hoping i'm hoping that rishi sunak is now gathered such political momentum does look like a winner has proved that he can push the big ones through. yeah will come next. so we come back to civil service again. but he's definitely picking up political momentum . and boris, political momentum. and boris, now he's just too much of a liability. again, i you can't have another prime minister between now and the next election, which is what, 18 months like this is why i'm saying she should just say to him no bulk well, i think he will wait. i think he will think it. he said, no, he's 72. he must last time when he was he was the chancellor and sort of listen when he was the chancellor he said, boris, i'm

sorry, i'm not with you anymore. i'm off. that was end of boris johnson. so he's already got a track record of putting in his place. and i think he can do it again. and i think because all this is blown up again now. i mean, no policies on the television. a few hours ago. so of course didn't know the of course i didn't know the party's on. i've got party's going on. well i've got some sympathy that because some sympathy for that because at if you read the at the time. if you read the detail of these allegations detail of all these allegations happened when he got out of his official car , walked through official car, walked through the doom official car, walked through the door, street, and door, ten downing street, and walked into a situation was walked into a situation that was taking place . he didn't taking place. he didn't initiate. say to everybody, initiate. he say to everybody, come to my office now, have a glass of wine, a piece of cake. he say to anybody , why he didn't say to anybody, why don't have a celebration? don't we all have a celebration? it's night. literally it's friday night. he literally walked these situations . you walked these situations. you should have walked straight out again . he didn't because he again. he didn't because he said, you've all done very well. and that's why he's been doing it. lot of it's been very it. a lot of it's been very unfair. to campbell after the unfair. as to campbell after the 2015 election, i remember him saying this clearly the saying this clearly on the radio. a real lack radio. he said there a real lack of talent within politics. i think is worse think situation is even worse now place. while the

now that's in place. while the case, boris johnson will always have a chance. but reason have a chance. but the reason why talent in why there's a lack of talent in who would go into politics, pay them, look at the they're them, look at the way they're not they get up , they not paid, be they get up, they pred not paid, be they get up, they ripped to pieces , all of them ripped to pieces, all of them social media in, especially social media in, especially social media, is appalling . it's social media, is appalling. it's a vicious and. it has this really big voice and people pay too much attention to it. if people go into politics as like power and they like hold on to power, i sign everything that they have, a chauffeur driven. they drive around on the minister. i'm on television every day. ministers, maybe people now. yeah that's on them. so no, not by benchers, no. but people want to be cabinet and glorify themselves law and a lot of people, particularly in this tory government now have actually made fortunes in business, then got into politics as a kind afterthought. you show it to me because something i mean, rishi sunak's a perfect is yeah, he didn't need go into politics sajid javid and people like that didn't need to the

opfics like that didn't need to the optics most of the cabinet absolutely off so they're not toffs are wealthy and they are sajid javid was the son of a bus driver so he's not a tough it he's a man who pulled himself up by his bootstraps and made something of himself good luck. yeah, yeah. an awful lot of people are the top strata of our society have gone through eton they've gone oxford. they've gone through . i'm not a force in gone through. i'm not a force in the labour, however , that's true the labour, however, that's true of boris johnson, who was a very conservative prime minister many people listening to and watching this show will see these headunes this show will see these headlines and they'll just think, there you go, it's the media and the politicians who effectively performed a coup . effectively performed a coup. bofis effectively performed a coup. boris johnson. and he's not his job. he had his chance . he blew job. he had his chance. he blew it. he could be back . well, he it. he could be back. well, he could be back . can we storyboard could be back. can we storyboard the circumstances by which returns? is there a cuts hell chance of him coming back to fight the next election? it have

to be then really? because i can't see they're going to get the hiding if i'm predicting they will get of 1997. i don't think he's going to come back as an opposition leader. he doesn't want do five, you know, and want to do five, you know, and i also don't think there's any sound of them sound any vestige of ten of them remain a electrical remain after a electrical electrical electoral defeat will not be around same as in 97. we saw after i left the set. yeah howard left the set all the have already announced they're leaving the senate. they're running already. yeah. no, no, i think, i think his only chance now rescue something out of his political career is to be kingmaker. so can now do deals , kingmaker. so can now do deals, get behind people. you show it to . yeah. yeah. that won't give to. yeah. yeah. that won't give him anything like the occasion that he was. i've seen it for him. mike. yeah what's in it for him. mike. yeah what's in it for him is that he does not want to be seen to be a malicious and punitive character? yeah because he needs about or 15 million quid. boris needs lots of money.

exactly own pocket. he's got a very expensive lifestyle. and remember , popularity is based on remember, popularity is based on the buffoonery . i don't. and so the buffoonery. i don't. and so if he if he stops being did that really well . did it really well. really well. did it really well. thank you. thank you. if stops being buffoonery turns out to be a rather malicious and underhanded man who brought down of a politician means he won't have the same public appeal. i could say. i could see a situation. i don't know. boris johnson. bob would imagine that he wants to be back in power, but i think it's very possible he hasn't actually worked out what he's going to do. oh yeah, interesting. it be to interesting. so it could be to avoid get him back avoid events that get him back into but might into number 10. but when might that would you like see that be would you like to see a return? boris johnson so do you think he should come back and say, i'll go with him? don't say, i'll go with him? i don't think view think so. but what's view market? gbnews.uk the market? gb news.uk after the break, saturday's break, we'll get saturday's final and it's the final front page and it's the express more stories from the papers. don't go anywhere .

now we've got tomorrow's as always between 1030 and 11 and we've got the express hot off the press and let's have a look at what they're leading with. well, there's only one story in town. and yes it is the blonde bombshell himself, boris johnson. boris blasts partygate probe as cynical up. also, ken bruce , a gracious farewell there bruce, a gracious farewell there goes the great ken bruce has left the bbc, even though he has the most to radio show in the country . in the world and in the country. in the world and in the world reacting to the big stories of the day, broadcaster and journalist mike parry, political and social commentator lizzie and sports writer and broadcaster aidan magee . now broadcaster aidan magee. now let's talk about another story . let's talk about another story. the papers, the best, worst cruise lines of 23 just been revealed by which magazine with noble caledonia the charts,

viking and saga were just behind as 11 categories from cabin quality to port excursions were rated, but is a nice relaxing cruise the best way to holiday in the stressful modern world is , cruising the best way to take a break? what do we think, lizzie are cruise? no, i'm absolutely against. i think no, i think they're really green. they go to these tiny places. they go to these tiny places. they all get off hundreds at that loads of people, get off . that loads of people, get off. there's rubbish. there's all sorts spread right sorts of things spread right then, know, in venice around then, you know, in venice around say in they really campaigned against them, seen incredible footage of, you know, like it's true boats coming in. they all campaigned. i don't think, and also personally ever been i cannot think of worse way to spend time because i feel really cooped up can't get away with say have you ever been on a boat there are enormous. no, no, no no. this is in your favour. there are enormous. no, no, no no. this is in your favour . so no. this is in your favour. so the only cruise ever went was on the only cruise ever went was on the qe two over the atlantic. okay and of course, being a

celebrity media figure, you know, i've got a great suite all. the problem is when go for dinner at night, everyone's bothering you. not that you're sitting at a table and you suddenly realise after minutes the other five people on the table in the silver restaurant are all crushing balls. but the problem is , you're going to be problem is, you're going to be dining with them for the next six because you're trapped . six because you're trapped. you're trapped. i'm the kiwi , you're trapped. i'm the kiwi, too. nick, you've been jumping . too. nick, you've been jumping. q2 wasn't a huge ship. it's only about half the size of the modern day cruise line did it come uk you couldn't get away from. i did a comedy set on the biggest cruise in the world, which is the harmony of the seas royal caribbean. won't get sued . me tell you. it's . let me tell you. it's a beautiful boat. yes had a great time, a pressure gig as time, but it's a pressure gig as a comedian, because if you don't go well, you've got a week with these so but at least these. so yeah, but at least ships are big enough to hide away from them. you couldn't on the kiwis . don't away from them. you couldn't on the kiwis. don't on a cruise. the kiwis. don't go on a cruise. i would. but i never i really would. but i never understood why they would never market people. it market to younger people. it

always when well, they market to younger people. it alwyand when well, they market to younger people. it alwyand then when well, they market to younger people. it alwyand then theyien well, they market to younger people. it alwyand then they became they market to younger people. it alwyand then they became likey did and then they became like booze. you said me. booze. cruise as you said to me. sure sure. think it's sure i'm sure. i think it's changing. yeah, it should be because i it seems like a because i mean it seems like a good way to see the world you get to go on i mean it's not as if you keep polluting you all you are keeps up you all keep top. are you also allowed? allowed out? run the allowed out? if i run out on the main practical main show, it's practical problem with cruising and i did have a great time on the harmony of seas. you have unlimited of the seas. you have unlimited food. you, it's food. yeah, i'll tell you, it's great this is a for but you great and this is a for but you never drink unlimited food and dnnks never drink unlimited food and drinks i just drinks you drink i shop just remember another cruise i remember i went another cruise i don't bowling the on the don't go bowling on the on the disney . we went to the disney. we went down to the bahamas on the first ever disney cruise line with . mickey mouse cruise line with. mickey mouse is on the side of the. yeah, yeah. oh you're absolutely right. because it was the first ball. everything was free i've seen them. i've seen them decent here and they offered fantastic ihave here and they offered fantastic i have to say yeah i think he remarks in it seems to me as if it was something for older people to do and they'd have to dress on. really. yeah. chintzy

clothing. well, lot of us like the kiwi too, the royal blue rinse. you in lot of rinse. and were you in a lot of to own heart that's what to my own heart that's what i would what people wearing would what are people wearing what have to when i was what do i have to when i was also performed on a piano ship and they sang hope, land of and they sang and hope, land of hope and glory night, hope and glory every night, which sorry, the which is very i'm sorry, the piano, the flag and all the rest of yeah. yeah. and a couple of it. yeah. yeah. and a couple of it. yeah. yeah. and a couple of it. yeah. yeah. and a couple of it didn't of mates mine were it didn't have a good doing the have such a good doing the comedy didn't go down that well with the crowd and the next they would sorrows. would drown their sorrows. they were the with and were in the with the bear. and one other passengers came one of the other passengers came up to them and said get out right, order them of the right, you order them out of the jacuzzi that. you've got no right here. may my right to be here. you may my mate yes, i mike mate mike osman. yes, i mike also a living out of doing also makes a living out of doing people jacuzzis . most of it's people jacuzzis. most of it's on. well he lives in southampton so he goes a hunter on all the cruise, you know. and you're absolutely right. if you upset somebody one night, you've got it them for the week. you do indeed. now listen , let's have indeed. now listen, let's have a look at our next story . after look at our next story. after rishi sunak wife was spotted in

a pair , £570, suede slippers. a pair, £570, suede slippers. psychologist emma kenney has revealed exactly what your slippers about you. she says the backless slippers show your unflappable and the fashionable boots slipper indicates that you are a procrastinator anita. but this evening i'd like to ask the panel what they think these slippers say about the individual brave enough to wear them. take a look at these wool . yes. five studies aidan magee. my wonderful now eight. and first of all i mean it's an x rated shot. there's a bit of sharon stone action going, yeah, yeah, that's it's part of a whole in some place. i wouldn't let her slippers without the keep going keep they all keep qpr slippers i offer the fisher from the club shop and fro and the dressing gown as well with a mug and the programme. the whole outfit goes together in pair , outfit goes together in a pair, qpr balls as well and i just bless my husband gifted me that like qpr and mcgee in the

dressing gown by the dressing gown and the mug and all the rest of it. oh well he's , you rest of it. oh well he's, you know, he came over seeing his family feminine side that a bit of thing. i think aidan magee is going to make slippers fashionable again. is it time to make slippers? great oh, i see you've written on fashion loads. iused you've written on fashion loads. i used to a fashion stylist. i used to be a fashion stylist. what you think of slippers ? i what do you think of slippers? i think keep your warm . think they keep your feet warm. nothing wrong. they have to be good to nice ones. good if you've got to nice ones. you have to have everything you do have to have everything that. william morris that. you have as william morris said, should never have said, you should never have anything don't anything in your that you don't consider to be or useful. the same applies to fashion. it's really important. so in my house except think of the country buy my slippers. do you all own slippers? i am more than slippers? i am more than slippers i own get slippers nobody gets across my front door with their shoes on they need the shoes outside. comes the shoes outside. nobody comes in shoes that have been walk in in shoes that have been walk on pavements on all of us because it going your house it is a bit like ely once you're in ihave is a bit like ely once you're in i have a similar similar rule

but i don't i haven't got the shoes thing going. i do shoes thing going. yes i do mine. no i'll, we'll keep you mine. no no i'll, we'll keep you all do andy all comfortable. i'll do andy carol footballer right. he carol the footballer right. he had 12 pairs of slippers lined next to his door. i'm sorry. he didn't wear them in matches . didn't wear them in matches. each of them better if you have them . but i somebody . but them. but i got somebody. but no, the point is , he made the no, the point is, he made the point. the one you painted something like £175 a square foot for your carpet . you don't foot for your carpet. you don't want anybody to walk on it. do you?in want anybody to walk on it. do you? in their in their shoes have that strict rule. no. outside footwear is ever walk on my carpets anywhere in any of my homes. strict search for gentlemen was the best look slip advice. well, i think you've nailed it there. i think that leather slippers are really good and a bit of embellishment backing rather wonderful . little backing rather wonderful. little bit of a how does your back end if you wear slip on slippers because body has to balance the fact that you've got to keep your feet those slippers. i'll tell you what i'll take you shopping. a stylist.

shopping. you're a stylist. trust okay well, i going trust me. okay well, i going moccasins. slippers. right nice. because, you know, they look like because, you know, they look uke had because, you know, they look like had moccasins on in a like you had moccasins on in a nut shop. yeah but what i'm saying is you've got to be very careful. i also have lifts in the back of my slippers to balance my spine. okay and it works perfectly . keep you works perfectly. keep you upright when you've had too many next to no. because i'm sitting down when i've had too many sharp six foot five when you're indoors and. yeah, that's right. you know. know what though? we're joking this business we're joking all this business about the way that things look i think it's presentation is really really and i was really sad to hear that savile row is struggling. oh yeah because of the same sad because people because of the pandemic people men wearing suits women , not men wearing suits women, not wearing suits. my dry cleaning office is closed down and it's sitting properly. so i give them a bad name. they because they used to do about three low loads in their machine every day and now they do three a week. yeah

but the thing is, our politicians should be championing all of these tailors and wearing suits. yeah, no, i'm you on that one for all the good advert, savile row. could we just do a quick came to an end when the beatles left. well now it's not that great concert on the top of that now moving on to the top of that now moving on to the kitchen item the nation and sun reporter lucy alderson . one sun reporter lucy alderson. one way to slash energy bills is to cook everything in an air fryer . a real pressure point by using the device to cook an english breakfast. research shows households , could save £260 a households, could save £260 a yean households, could save £260 a year, swapping ovens for air fryers . now, do any of you have fryers. now, do any of you have an air? no, i. i don't know what it would do for. me, really. but a friend of mine swears by using every single day. he's obsessed with it. producer george. george whips up miracles in his air fryer fry. it was the air fryer. fryer try. it'll be a different device. it'll last about three weeks. you'll remember. i mean, you may not be old enough , but i you may not be old enough, but i

am when we all got a sandwich maker. do you remember getting the sandwich ? yeah, yeah, yeah, the sandwich? yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, i'll time . yeah, yeah. i'll spare time. what you have to do is you have to get this under your foot. four pieces to put some and it close it, and all of a sudden the other baked beans sandwich that lasted about three weeks. do remember . that lasted about three weeks. do remember. yeah. butter on do you remember. yeah. butter on the that's right it the house. yes, that's right it was. took me up to the bread to stick to the two sides. that was another thing that's made up side and those were the days i replaced them with dolan . you're replaced them with dolan. you're a model now . how do i thank the a model now. how do i thank the brilliant lizzie zita aidan magee and mike parry? what a treat. brilliant panel and the emails confirm that i mean most importantly thank for your company listening perhaps you're working tonight perhaps your relaxing or indeed the relaxing at home or indeed the show enjoyed every minute we'll do it all again tomorrow and sunday to forget from eight we've got the people's out tomorrow and from nine big opinion take it ten. my all—star panel and tomorrow's papers so much next up the

much to get through next up the brilliant headliners see you tomorrow .

at eight. hi there tyron armstrong here in the newsroom. good evening to here from gb news. let's start with boris johnson . he has said with boris johnson. he has said that he believes he'll be vindicated by. an mp report despite and finding of coronavirus rules in downing street there would have been obvious to him at the time the commons privileges committee his conduct during partygate believes the former prime minister may have misled parliament at least four times. mr. johnson says it was his belief all had been followed and there's no evidence he knowingly or recklessly , mps the reason or recklessly, mps the reason those , no evidence to show that those, no evidence to show that . i must have known why i'm to

believe that illegal events were taking place is because i didn't . and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of . our covid to the best of. our ability in very difficult circles audiences in number 10, in cabinet office , night and day in cabinet office, night and day and believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations . that is why i covid regulations. that is why i said what i in in parliament. well, boris johnson's also questioned whether who investigated the partygate scandal last year may have had a political axe to grind the senior civil servant who has been appointed sir keir starmer's new of staff found widespread breaking took place in government and mr. johnson was by police. he says he would have queried sue gray as independence before appointing her to partygate if he'd known she joined labour a huge shift in the government's position . in the government's position. overpay has evaporated. major ambulance strikes due to take place next. tens of thousands of

staff in england and wales where scheduled to walk out on and wednesday unison and gmb say they've been assured there's additional money pay rises outside the current budget. however thousand members of unite two the smallest ambulance union will walk out on monday after , rejecting the offer of after, rejecting the offer of talks . teachers in scotland are talks. teachers in scotland are set to suspend their plans strikes after an improved offer which amounts to a pay rise 14.6% over 28 months. unions have recommend that their members accept what the scottish government's the largest pay package in over 20 years . package in over 20 years. constance marten and mark gordon have been in custody after the remains of a baby were found on wednesday . pair were charged wednesday. pair were charged with manslaughter , concealing with manslaughter, concealing the birth of a child and perverting course justice. perverting course of justice. the remains of the baby named in court documents as victoria were found in a shed in brighton following major search. the pair will appear old deal bailey at the end of the month . disgraced the end of the month. disgraced american lawyer alex murdaugh

has