channel good afternoon. welcome to real britain with me emily carver on tv online digital radio. now we have lots to come on the show this afternoon for boris johnson has blasted partygate investigation as a cynical stitch up . he says there is no stitch up. he says there is no evidence at all. he misled parliament, but report seems to suggest otherwise . is he right suggest otherwise. is he right or is he a bit deluded? has he fallen victim to, in his words, a kangaroo court or ? is it game a kangaroo court or? is it game over for boris's political comeback? that mayor of london's khan has described, anthony ulez as, guess what, far right covid deniers and tories. with pressure mounting , deniers and tories. with pressure mounting, is this a sign of desperation . and sign of desperation. and conservative mp miriam cates has

called on the prime minister to consider an urgent review . age, consider an urgent review. age, inappropriate sex education in schools. do you want your children learning about gender fluidity, trans identification and that babies are assigned at birth? all of that to come. but first, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . emily, thank tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you very much. good afternoon. it's 2:01. i'm tatiana sanchez is the latest from the gb newsroom new messages involving former health secretary. show him to footage of him and colleague gina collard caught embracing during lockdown. the leaked whatsapp reading how bad are the photos were sent by matt hancock hours after he discovered pictures him breaching social distancing rules had been published. the messages show him discussing covid guidance in place at the time and how he should respond . time and how he should respond. the media, the correspondence is among more than 100,000 messages

obtained by the daily telegraph .bons obtained by the daily telegraph . boris is facing fresh pressure . a report suggests breaches covid rules in downing street would have been obvious to him at time. the commons privileges committee investigating his conduct . partygate believes the conduct. partygate believes the former prime minister, may have misled at least four times. mr. says it was his belief all had been followed and there's no evidence he knowingly or recklessly misled mps . former recklessly misled mps. former special adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley told us partygate is still as a distraction for the government who be focusing on what really . the government who be focusing on what really. this is why on back of the inquiry that published that report yesterday on the back of messages that we're seeing leaked at the telegraph that involved the former health secretary and the appointment of sue gray to the labour party as chief of staff to you, sir keir starmer, i think this why labour will be for the country to be talking

about partygate again because . about partygate again because. it is a distraction from allowing the government to tell the public and to deliver on really matters to people and in the health service it's stopping the health service it's stopping the small boats, it's getting the small boats, it's getting the economy back on. the government's expected to announce new laws next week to crack down on small boats crossing the channel it's thought the new legislation will involve disallowing asylum claims from those who travel to the on small boats , as well as the on small boats, as well as banning migrants from returning . once removed, the prime has vowed to stop the boats as one of his five priorities . next of his five priorities. next week's ambulance strikes in. england and wales have been suspended it after the government have agreed to halt over pay. tens of thousands of gmb and workers had been due to walk out on monday and wednesday but the unions have called off the action after saying ministers had offered potential pay ministers had offered potential pay rises for this year and next

year charity age uk has urged the government to in as it says thousands of elderly people have died as a result of not getting proper care. figures from nhs england show almost 29,000 and requests for people aged 65 and over to be given support . requests for people aged 65 and over to be given support. in 2021 to 2022 were in fact a recorded as having died without any services being provided. the charity said the figures amount to over 500 deaths per week . the to over 500 deaths per week. the health department says it's providing up to seven and a half billion pounds funding over the next two years to support adults social care . the ministry social care. the ministry defence says ukrainian forces defending bakhmut are facing further from russia with intense fighting in and around the city. military intelligence said resupply routes out of the town are increasingly limited , with are increasingly limited, with two key bridges in bakhmut destroyed in the last 36 hours. the mod tweeted whilst ukraine's

defence reinforcing the area, the russian and private military group wagner have made further advances into bakhmut northern suburbs . the uk is in for cold suburbs. the uk is in for cold snap next week with . snap next week with. temperatures expected to drop to below monday and tuesday will lows of minus three in scotland and minus two in the northwest east of england. yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are also in place from early monday to late on tuesday across northern scotland and northeast england. the met says the conditions are likely to cause some disruption to travel. as well as power outages , the oil well as power outages, the oil used to anoint the king, the coronation , the sixth may has coronation, the sixth may has been made safe fred. a ceremony took place. yes today with the chrism oil consecrated in jerusalem . it was carried out in jerusalem. it was carried out in one of the city's holiest christians , the church of the christians, the church of the holy sepulchre. the queen consort will also be anointed with holy oil and crowned . this

with holy oil and crowned. this is gb news. we'll bring you more news as it happens. now it's back to real britain with . back to real britain with. welcome real britain. so here's what's coming up on the show. did boris johnson allow to be bullied and manipulated , bullied and manipulated, interlocking our country down? leaked whatsapp messages suggest some some decisions were based on false data. public opinion than science and even a bit ego. have lockdown sceptics now been vindicated ? then sadiq khan has vindicated? then sadiq khan has come under fire for calling some of his ulez opponents far right and covid deniers . the london and covid deniers. the london mayor has said he was only reacting to the vile messages on display outside people's question time event in ealing. but is this language a sign of a desperate politician ? and later desperate politician? and later on, some tory mp have expressed their outrage that partygate

investigator sue gray has been offered a job as sir keir starmer's chief of staff. labour has insisted it did not approach her until after it published. bofis her until after it published. boris says , though it raises boris says, though it raises questions over the conclusions over her inquiry. but now the privileges committee says new evidence mr. johnson may have repeatedly misled commons over partygate. what on earth is on? we'll discuss that in a bit so that's what we're talking about for the next hour. always. i'd love to know your thoughts on topics. please do tweet me at gb news or you can email me on at gbnews.uk . you can also watch us gbnews.uk. you can also watch us onune gbnews.uk. you can also watch us online on youtube . i'll be back online on youtube. i'll be back in a second . welcome to real in a second. welcome to real britain in 2023, a place where our home secretary is forced to come and remind the public that we do not in fact have blasphemy laws in this country , but laws in this country, but offending someone's religion or system is in fact a crime that

schools and the police have a duty to prioritise physical safety of children over the hurt feelings of adults yet. so this is the exact opposite of what we seen in the cathedral city of wakefield in west yorkshire . in wakefield in west yorkshire. in my view, this is without a doubt the biggest story of the week . the biggest story of the week. we now live in a country where. four students can be suspended , four students can be suspended, allegedly damaging a holy where dropping a copy of the koran in a school in west can be recorded as a non crime hate incident where a 14 year old autistic child involved can be on the receiving end of death threats while a boy who sent the death threats is only given words of advice . a police officer . how advice. a police officer. how can that be equality before law? i don't suppose . we'd see the i don't suppose. we'd see the same reaction if a school had damaged a holy bible to me. the very fact that the police were even involved in such an incident is shocking , though incident is shocking, though perhaps not all that surprising after all has been highlighted

in her article in the times today, a teacher from batley is still in hiding after he dared to show his students a charlie hebdo cartoon son of the prophet mohammed during a religious education class . we cannot boil education class. we cannot boil down to religious and bigotry for fear of offending. i think the shame be on the school. the council is a community leaders and police have all played a role in this shame , not an role in this shame, not an autistic child allegedly slightly damaged koran suella braverman is right to come out strongly on this. we cannot continue to indulge those who for blasphemy to be a crime . for blasphemy to be a crime. this country people say that a child was immature to . bring child was immature to. bring a copy of the koran into school. but it's not this child who needs to grow up i say is the fully grown men who have chosen to be so offended by what should be considered trivial matter. we cannot live in fear of causing offence , i'll say it to them. offence, i'll say it to them. grow up . let me know if you

grow up. let me know if you agree that that is the biggest story of the week. it is quite incredible that we seem to have blasphemy in this country running alongside it. our own law . me know what you think law. me know what you think about that one will be discussing that later with some brilliant guests . stay tuned for brilliant guests. stay tuned for that. but first, the journalist who leaked matt hancock's whatsapp messages to the telegraph alleged they show a libertarian boris johnson was manipulated , supporting covid manipulated, supporting covid lockdowns by hancock. they also reveal a more lockdown sceptic rishi sunak who disagreed with hancock over the extent lockdown measures during the pandemic. so i'm asking how have lockdown sceptics now been vindicated in light of these messages, and do they portray boris in a good light , actually? now joining they portray boris in a good light, actually? now joining me , a former labour mp and minister europe, dennis macshane. thank you much, dennis. and director of the academy of ideas, think tank baroness claire fox . claire, i baroness claire fox. claire, i want to get your thoughts first on whether you think it's that

these private communications were in the way that they were i. i think that we can all have qualms about journalistic ethics, whether , you know, ethics, whether, you know, things given in confidence can be handed over , whether there's be handed over, whether there's a breach of trust. but i that is about oakeshott has made a good case for this bringing the pubuc case for this bringing the public interest and i would like to that i had qualms about a lot of the informal action that was put in the public square. for example, and all of the partygate and so on were leaked. when i somebody and they were in place sent to journalists and they then revealed them and at they then revealed them and at the time nobody said, oh, isn't that breaching private trust . in that breaching private trust. in other words, i think that the more information we have, the better and because of the slowness of getting an inquiry the ground i can why despite reservations this in the end is in the public interest. dennis, what do you think on that really

agreed powell a little bit of the news , of course, of the sue the news, of course, of the sue gray story johnson was tony's chief staff, but from a very different diplomatic he's hard really for his ford as much as bad managerial management and he just said to me once dennis is an mp a minister nothing is off record there's no question of trusting journalists. you talked to journalists but always assume that anything you say anything give them will be could appear somewhere maybe not to your credit. so just astonished about how i never thought he was very bright. i thought he was personable, but not very bright to give 100,000. and what now worse twitter we gavel and gobble on whatsapp like nobody's business it's i do worry though that you know spad politicians ministers at the heart of a crisis probably shouldn't have to worry about their whatsapp messages being leaked. but then again as you say hancock was the

well numpty, frankly, for doing . so i would say to someone who is known as being a scoop journalist or is looking for a new story , claire, do you think new story, claire, do you think it's fair to that? boris johnson came out reasonably well from these leaked messages in so far as he was at least trying or at least expressing the view that perhaps it wasn't a good idea to at least go into that second long lockdown . i think what was long lockdown. i think what was most revealing , emily, is that most revealing, emily, is that there were debates going on in those whatsapp groups, including bofis those whatsapp groups, including boris johnson as say rishi sunak all sorts of people, helen and wightlink raising questions. they were raising the kind of questions that many of us raised about do we really need to lockdown ? and what about lockdown? and what about families able to visit people in care homes ? they had all the care homes? they had all the questions, but i many of us had andifs questions, but i many of us had and it's not a question of whether they came well or badly

. what have you. they asked perfectly rational, serious . the perfectly rational, serious. the problem was that when we in pubuc problem was that when we in public tried to ask those questions , we were immediately questions, we were immediately closed down and labelled as lockdowns high risk anti—science covid deniers. you know, all of things they said. and then raised questions like in the house of lords. and i actually found myself on a list on that by minister as a covid real smear attempt. so i'm gratified that they were asking the question what i really feel is being reveal too is that they didn't trust the to join in that conversation and when they brought the press conferences to was which they basically presented everything as definitive. the reason i alternative we have .to do the science shows that they didn't ever acknowledge that these were political choices they were making. i mean but it's gone on

like you. what was they implied there was no choice had to do it. but it is also the case that they used public to drive their policy . if these whatsapp policy. if these whatsapp messages are as they appear that they were thinking about lockdown and thinking about covid restrictions , but said covid restrictions, but said they didn't want to move too fast up because of public opinion there yet. so they were taking public opinion to decide in that way . but then the whole in that way. but then the whole it so oppressive at the time the whole public discourse around this and i blame some parts of the too . media well, as the too. media well, as ministers and politicians that those who weren't on board with the whole lockdown thing were silenced . i don't know if you're silenced. i don't know if you're referring to me, but i do actually think that the public were treated as a stage army in that regard, not taken seriously at all i mean is one thing saying public opinion with the point was there wasn't a public

discussion and we were actually mobilised remember well, not millions but hundreds of thousands of members of the pubuc thousands of members of the public at the beginning were willing volunteer , to offer willing to volunteer, to offer to help the most vulnerable , to help the most vulnerable, said they'd out and they'd said they'd go out and they'd put their names in all sorts of things, organise community help for people who were isolated and. they were basically just told in the end not to do anything, you know, the way that you have to do that based on me. and yet that created an atmosphere you were passively waiting for the latest news. people got frightened because they were isolated. they weren't even able have a chat with their mates about, what was going on and any attempt at asking those questions , as i say, was closed questions, as i say, was closed down, sends a ship, was deployed in terms of social we need that. yeah we know that idea and i think it's important to note that this was not just the government, but it was all sides , the political parties, i mean, sitting in the house of lords, outside the opposition benches were like a baying mob ,

were like a baying mob, demanding that lockdown was harder and more vicious than well claire. opening opinion denis on i'll bring in denis on on on this one it did feel at the time that to go against the grain it came to lockdown covid restrictions was not you felt a panah restrictions was not you felt a pariah in some ways if you were to call out the government's action on lockdown . do you agree action on lockdown. do you agree that that was the case? oh, look, to have lockdown sceptics now been vindicated by all this , anybody is sceptical and shouldn't need vindication because they're seeking to ask hard truths, just a personal straw. i've got a great german friend who offered me she loves britain, got a house here, about £6 billion worth of ppe. she had it and ready to go from beijing , highest german standards . i , highest german standards. i phoned everybody i knew for . phoned everybody i knew for. free for free. just fly it in here and nobody would. roy nobody would be interested in a free like that. and then i found that so many tory donors were in

there getting all the special access to sell a huge cost, some of it absolute the unusable ppe, but all the money on the on the well, the covid inquiry will find out that mean there was, if you like, a lockdown called sceptic claire that was rishi sunak reorganise his eat out to help out you remember that he stunts dressed up in waiters clothes like he goes to petrol stations to fill up his kills. you will the carers and he said eat out help out it cost £500 billion and covid cases went up by nearly 20% so maybe of the cult of sceptics stunt merchants were own worst enemies. i look at i looked at it across the whole of europe. i read each country a different approach is i completely agree that the moment i hear the science says i ducked for cover but the idea that we all should have been

like boris johnson and boozing sending out to tescos to bring the wide into all get sort of smashed in the i'm not sure that would have been much of a help to containing covid either. nobody does the job chinese had the most rigorous lockdown policy there had to relax it for economic reasons now and now they've got a huge rise in cases . but i think dentists that may but but claire with if it's the case that government decision policies that impacted. well the millions of people that live in this country were based on flawed data and that was not expressed to the public that is dumbing . do expressed to the public that is dumbing. do you expressed to the public that is dumbing . do you believe that the dumbing. do you believe that the pubuc dumbing. do you believe that the public inquiry would have looked into that ? were you concerned into that? were you concerned that the inquiry would have been a whitewash whitewash . oh, a whitewash whitewash. oh, sorry. you're asking me . yes, sorry. you're asking me. yes, sorry. you're asking me. yes, sorry. go look. what if it would just take too long? i'm i'm. i was listening to what janice was saying. i'm not saying that we

know exactly what policies we or could have done, but one thing i want to clarify that getting covid and cases were not as threatening for huge swathes of population as the policies there were people who were very, very vulnerable and they actually, ironically up getting neglected . this kind of treatment of one size fits all those people we should have been looking what we you know what exactly this was an 18 year old. so i just went and spoke at university did diana i was really struck the students how bitter they about how they were treated they were not vulnerable from covid but they actually had their lives destroyed in some ways. but three of them will go over it so thatis three of them will go over it so that is one of the problems with having a kind of there is no alternative approach. and that's way the government presented it . in fact, what i was saying was the only opposition that was very vocal with those who that you should do more to things down. what about this group. this this group. so what

this group. this group. so what we was a rational, we never had was a rational, sensible, open discussion . and sensible, open discussion. and what you have to do is trust the pubuc what you have to do is trust the public to take decisions . when public to take decisions. when you call people granny killers , you call people granny killers, it's so insulting. nobody to put the elderly at risk . the fact the elderly at risk. the fact that ordinary people were wandering around irresponsibly , wandering around irresponsibly, letting it rip, they would have taken precautions. but we were banned through the draconian spell . well, that's the thing spell. well, that's the thing that's that's the thing. we treated children and young people, especially vectors of a virus that they were least at risk of. and were treated as carriers of a virus and everything had to be closed . all everything had to be closed. all we've got time for, though, unfortunately. thank you much indeed. claire fox there and denis macshane , thank you very denis macshane, thank you very much indeed. so moving and plenty more to come this afternoon on real britain. after the break, sadiq khan has come under for calling some under fire for calling some of his ulez opponents far right and covid deniers. the london mayor has reacting to has said he was only reacting to

the messages on display the vile messages on display outside people's question outside the people's question time but argue his time in ealing. but argue his language is more right leaning people across the country. what do you think? does right even mean anything ? i think it makes mean anything? i think it makes the man look rather desperate myself . first, let's have a look myself. first, let's have a look at the weather . hello there. i'm at the weather. hello there. i'm craig. here's the latest forecast on the office as we go forecast on the office as we go for the next few days. although this weekend will be rather and dry, next week is certainly a good deal colder through the risk some stay. for some of us, though, at the moment we still got area high firmly in got this area of high firmly in charge across cold charge across the this cold front will be a focus of some showers across some eastern and northern parts of the uk. but for most of us we end saturday it's going to be dry but rather cloudy with the best of any clear skies across western scotland. later in the night we will start to see some wintry showers effect in the very far north of scotland. but for many, north of scotland. but for many, no real problems . the no real problems. the temperatures no lower than around to four degrees for a lot the country. so for england and

wales , very similar day to wales, very similar day to saturday, plenty cloud around risk of some showers across eastern parts of the country for scotland and northern ireland hopeful we will see a little bit more in the way of brightness compared to saturday but also the risk of some showers and these showers once again be wintry especially across the high temperatures on high ground temperatures on sunday at best around to nine degrees. but factor in wind, it will still be feeling pretty if you are out and about into sunday evening . across the sunday evening. across the north, an increase in of some showers, especially across scotland, where these will turn increasingly to sleet and snow even at lower levels with risk of some ice to so do take some extra care if are out and about early on monday could just see some disruption courtesy of that snow further south. a colder night than saturday night, maybe a touch of frost in few spots where we do see skies remain clearest . and then as we go into clearest. and then as we go into tuesday and wednesday, it turns even still across the uk , risk

even still across the uk, risk of some snow, chiefly across high ground. at first. but as go into the middle of the week we may even see some snow moving the south too. but you can keep an eye on all the information through the warnings on the met office here on gb news live. we'll be keeping you in the picture, finding out what's happening the country and finding out why matters to you. we'll have the facts fast with our team of reporters and, specialist correspondents, wherever it's happening, we'll be there in 12 noon on tv radio and online. gb news is the people's channel. britain's news

channel right? the london mayor has said some protesters are against ultra low emission in london, a far right covid or deniers?

here's a clip . state khan's here's a clip. state khan's comments at people's question time event where demonstrators gathered . i find unacceptable, gathered. i find unacceptable, though some of who have legitimate objections joining hands with of those outside who are part of a far right group who are . some of those ? some of who are. some of those? some of those some of those outside . those some of those outside. some those some of those. let's be frank. let's call let's call a spade a spade . some of those a spade a spade. some of those outside are part of the far right . some up some are deniers right. some up some are deniers , some are vaccine deniers. and some are tories. , some are vaccine deniers. and some are tories . vaccine deniers some are tories. vaccine deniers and tories in the same sentence, charming . so is khan right? charming. so is khan right? i don't think so . or is this an don't think so. or is this an unfair characterisation ? the unfair characterisation? the protesters? joining me is london

assembly member susan hall, who is the leader of the city hall, conservatives. now i've got on season today because she has been very vocal about city khan's frank well an outburst really what do you make of it all. well i mean this is a new low for him isn't it? i was 31 along from he was absolutely furious that anybody should what he was saying and what he doing but to resort to calling as a far right and he lumped the tories in with that which was unacceptable but people there justifiably complaining about the ulez . i've been out justifiably complaining about the ulez. i've been out on justifiably complaining about the ulez . i've been out on the the ulez. i've been out on the doorsteps today talking to people and people are almost in because they cannot afford to replace cars. and i live in harrow so we're right on the outskirts of london and they just don't know what they're going to do. and he just doesn't listen. he he's not interested. what anybody says , as you know, what anybody says, as you know, he did a consultation, which

that people didn't want it, but actually ordered the cameras before the consultation the finished . so you know it was finished. so you know it was a predetermination i mean it was really had whatever happened susan i think it sounds like he's getting more and that's why he's getting more and that's why he's throwing around these kind of accusations for the purpose of accusations for the purpose of balance. can you tell me that there weren't any far right protest is there that there weren't any covered vaccine deniers at this protest ? weren't any covered vaccine deniers at this protest? i didn't see any . the hall i got didn't see any. the hall i got to the long before it . i was to the long before it. i was there at six and there were some people milling around outside when colleagues came and later i said, is there anybody ? and said, is there anybody? and somebody was saying that they were making vehicles home. they weren't because they agreed with them that the ulez should be stopped . so i didn't actually stopped. so i didn't actually see any of that. it may have been couple. i honestly don't know. i was , but that's the know. i was, but that's the thing. the purpose of what he said, in my opinion, was

blanket. anyone who disagreed with him with the same brush tar everyone with the same brush . everyone with the same brush. but this is a trend that we're seeing in politics, general, isn't it? i mean, nicholas has said similar things about people who disagreed with her about her gender reforms , gender gender reforms, gender recognition reform bill. is this just a way for people with progressive politics, so left wing politics to discredit who disagrees with them ? well, i disagrees with them? well, i think it is. i mean, it's very unfortunate . we've seen angela unfortunate. we've seen angela referred to tories as scum . and referred to tories as scum. and apparently that's that's quite common to i remember, one, delivering leaflets and said it no scum tory here i can honestly say i've never heard any of my use any of those words people that are in other parts is there's no need. we've got different political and we have every right to say them. but i get on just as well with the leaders of the other groups in the city hall as i do with my

own members. clearly policy disagree but you know behaviour like this from khan was dreadful and he was furious because he was being shouted at and he just doesn't like that. he's very sneaky and it seems that sadiq likes to exaggerate. he was on another radio station last week talking about the fact that no one can get their hands on tomatoes in this country. and i believe he was blaming brexit for that. it does seem as though he's getting perhaps a little more extreme in his rhetoric . more extreme in his rhetoric. you think he's starting to get a bit worried about the next election ? i think he's suddenly election? i think he's suddenly well, i think people around are telling him that this this brexit, i beg your pardon, this ulez could be the sort of margaret thatcher's poll tax. i think, you know, there's a total denial from him that people as against it as they are and i assure you, they live the outskirts of london and. people are desperate. the because they

don't know how they're going to manage. people are angry a furious because they've bothered to fill in the forms to say, no, don't do it. and he's just not listening to well, i know it's going to cost people hundreds of pounds a month just essentially get into car and drive get into their car and drive anywhere for many, many people. thank you very much for joining us discuss that season . the us to discuss that season. the whole the leader the whole who is the leader of the city conservatives the city hall conservatives at the london very london assembly. thank very much for time. reached to for your time. now we reached to siddiq for a comment, but he available, however, a spokesperson for the mayor of london mayor stands, by london said the mayor stands, by his to call out the his decision to call out the vile messages outside vile messages display outside the . those who the event in ealing. those who came protest included people came to protest included people displaying symbols and spreading vaccine conspiracy theories . vaccine conspiracy theories. unfortunately, there was a small group who appear to have latched on to ulez expansion to try to play on to ulez expansion to try to play people's and play on people's concerns and push their own agenda. the mayor urges londoners to look at the facts about us to read the evidence about the damage air pollution is doing to people's health, to be cautious about health, and to be cautious about those are clearly

those who are clearly scaremongering and spreading misinformation, in misinformation, whether in london or in any other part of the country dangerous conspiracy theories and abhorrent right theories and abhorrent far right activity should always be condemned the strongest condemned in the strongest possible terms . well, there you possible terms. well, there you go. let me know what you think about khan's comments. i think he was he was essentially calling people who were against ulez all of these nasty names. and each i don't think that's on. but let me know what think you're with gb news on tv and dab radio after the break. some tory have expressed their outrage that partygate investigator has been investigator sue gray has been offered job as the case down as chief staff. labour has chief of staff. labour has insisted did not her until insisted it did not her until after it was . but boris says it after it was. but boris says it raises questions over the conclusions in her inquiry. but now the privileges committee says new evidence shows mr. johnson may have repeatedly misled commons over partygate. do you think johnson was stitched up , or do you think johnson was stitched up, or is he only a victim of his own actions ? we'll victim of his own actions? we'll get stuck into that. but first, let's get a check on the news headunes let's get a check on the news headlines with tatiana sanchez .

headlines with tatiana sanchez. emily, thank you. good afternoon. this the latest from the gb newsroom new messages involving . the former health involving. the former health secretary show him to footage of him and colleague gina d'angelo caught embracing during lockdown . the leaked whatsapp message . . the leaked whatsapp message. how bad are the photos sent by matt hancock hours after he discovered pictures of him breaching social distancing had been published, the messages also show him discussing covid guidance in place at the time and how he should respond to . and how he should respond to. the media, the correspondence is among more than 100,000 messages obtained . the daily telegraph . obtained. the daily telegraph. bofis obtained. the daily telegraph. boris johnson is facing fresh pressure after a report suggests breaches covid rules in downing street . what have been obvious street. what have been obvious to him at time, the commons privileges committee investigating his conduct heanng investigating his conduct hearing partygate believes the former prime minister may have

misled parliament at least four times. mr. johnson says it was his belief all guidance had been followed and that there's no evidence he knowingly or recklessly misled mps mps . the recklessly misled mps mps. the government expected to announce new laws next week crack down on small boats . the channel it's small boats. the channel it's thought the new legislation will involve disallowing asylum claims from those who travel to the uk on small boats , as well the uk on small boats, as well as batting migrants from returning once removed . the returning once removed. the prime minister has vowed to stop the boats as one as one of his five priorities and the highly oiled used to annoy the king dunng oiled used to annoy the king during his coronation in may is vegan friendly. it's during his coronation in may is vegan friendly . it's been during his coronation in may is vegan friendly. it's been made with olives and scented , rose with olives and scented, rose and cinnamon with no animal ingredients. it's also been made sacred in a ceremony in jerusalem. the anointing the new monarch will take place under a canopy at westminster abbey on the 6th of may, along with a coronation ceremony where the king will be crowned online and

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gb news. welcome back. this is real britain on on tv, online and radio. so boris johnson , he's radio. so boris johnson, he's been a victim of a stitch up . been a victim of a stitch up. parliamentary sources have reportedly told the times that bofis reportedly told the times that boris johnson could be suspended from the commons for more than a month if the inquiry into whether misled parliament over partygate finds against him. johnson says the inquiry has found absolutely evidence to suggest he knew the rules were being broken . the reason there's being broken. the reason there's no evidence to show that i must have known what i believe that illegal events were taking place is because i didn't. and i thought we were fighting covid to the best of our ability in

very difficult circumstances . in very difficult circumstances. in number 10, in the office , night number 10, in the office, night and day and i believe that what we were doing was in conformity with the covid regulations . that with the covid regulations. that is why i said what i said in. parliament so that's what boris johnson has say. but the cross—party privileges said the commons may have been misled multiple times . johnson said it multiple times. johnson said it was quite surreal . discover that was quite surreal. discover that the committee proposes to rely on evidence culled and orchestrated by sue gray, who has just been appointed chief of staff to the leader of the labour party. so i'm asking can we trust to grace inquiry and has the former prime minister been stitched up. now joining me is my political panel, political commentator emma webb and editor in chief of about time magazine , angelica marlin. so do you think we can trust grey's inquiry or boris right to say it's been a bit a cynical stitch up ? well i what i saw is at this

up? well i what i saw is at this point would have been made. i couldn't quite believe it because it is. and i think boris is right to say, as jacob rees—mogg to point out , this rees—mogg to point out, this appointment stinks. i think it really brings into question her impartiality and that she would go from writing this this sue gray report to being to such a senior position within the labour party. so quickly i think bnngs labour party. so quickly i think brings into question how, you know whether the entire process is actually quite part design. and that's not to say that there hasn't been any wrongdoing. i think before employees make any decision about what action should be taken against boris johnson. there needs be, as jacob rees—mogg has proposed an inquiry into sue gray , to see inquiry into sue gray, to see for how long the negotiations have been taking place to put her in this as chief of staff to keir because as we saw keir starmer was extremely evasive when he was questioned about how long these discussions had been taking. that are some taking. so i think that are some serious questions that need to be asked so that the whole issue

can be seen in the round. because i think this has become a partisan issue in we need to take a step and we need to assess what has actually gone on here. the long and short of this is , in my opinion, the problem is, in my opinion, the problem is, in my opinion, the problem is the rules. the problem with the rules in the first place, not whether or not boris johnson broke them. well, yes, we're repeating same arguments repeating the same arguments that throughout that we were having throughout course pandemic, really course of the pandemic, really on, this one. angelica, do you take different view? do you not agree with emma that this appointment , the that sue appointment, the fact that sue gray , a top civil servant, has gray, a top civil servant, has now moved to a position, a highly political with keir starmer , although she led the starmer, although she led the partygate investigate . i mean partygate investigate. i mean i think sue gray his decision to make this move is her own career choice here. and i actually don't think that this impacts evidence that's come up in this like facts of facts or not. you agree with what the rules at the time. the fact is that rules

were broken quite with photographic evidence with whatsapp communications saying i don't think this is within the rules number 10 staff themselves. none of it none of it to me is acceptable, especially given the general pubuc especially given the general public was sacrificing at that time. people were sticking the rules, not saying loved ones, all the things we know and the government needs to be accountable to that. so the these things like whether or not johnson has a political future for me, like he shouldn't he shouldn't. he he lied to the british public , misled british public, misled parliament and just it's just not okay . but angelica, if it not okay. but angelica, if it was if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the case that a senior civil servant in a labour government house suddenly took on a highly political with a labour with a conservative opposition. it does smack so ever so slightly of corruption. would you not agree ? not even would you not agree? not even the slightest. with of

corruption . i think corruption corruption. i think corruption is a bit saw and i think that it just from the evidence that has come up in this inquiry and i think it's an easy to hang on, say, well, see you guys go into laboun say, well, see you guys go into labour. so that means that none of this like no one should be accountable for any of these of the lockdown rules. and i don't it's as simple as that. at all. i think the government i think that the government still needs to be accountable i think that the government stilthe eds to be accountable i think that the government stilthe rules» be accountable i think that the government stilthe rules that accountable i think that the government stilthe rules that theyintable i think that the government stilthe rules that they brokee i think that the government stilthe rules that they broke at for the rules that they broke at the and what that did to the time and what that did to the time and what that did to the public and how the british public and how unfair was given the unfair that was given the sacrifice regard of sue sacrifice and regard of what sue gray do now. this gray decides to do now. this inquiry stands. inquiry still stands. well, that's . there has been that's true. there has been evidence that boris johnson went to parties where alcohol was offered , where alcohol was offered, where alcohol was drunk. it wasn't the civil servant sue gray who did that? surely this is just a he only has his own actions to blame rather than sue gray ? of course, rather than sue gray? of course, you know, i think this is enormously hypocritical . what it

enormously hypocritical. what it doesisit enormously hypocritical. what it does is it points out the problem, the rules in the first place, which is that the british pubuc place, which is that the british public were held to a higher standard of obedience to these . standard of obedience to these. and they were obviously able to be interpreted loopholes and so on.the be interpreted loopholes and so on. the government clearly number 10 didn't stick with the spirit of those laws and boris johnson's argument. so seems to have essentially been his understanding of the laws , his understanding of the laws, his interpretation of them in a workplace setting was that this wasn't a party and this wasn't breaking the rules. so i just this just goes to show how when a government gives itself this much power to rule people's lives in terms of keeping them indoors , not allowing them to indoors, not allowing them to see their loved ones, that those rules can be used and abused. and i think that that fundamentally is the problem is, of course, sue gray not for of course, sue gray is not for bofis of course, sue gray is not for boris johnson's actions , but i boris johnson's actions, but i think that it does really seriously into question her ability really to carry out the that she did. that's quite serious , quite a serious if she

serious, quite a serious if she was in discussions the labour party and may have been and jacob rees—mogg was pointed out her son is actually involved with the labour party in northern ireland. the legal advice that she received was from a case who's been overtly in support of remain highly critical of boris johnson, actually encouraged to join the labour party. so i think that there are a lot of issues that are mashed up together here. but the point really is that the british public are very happy to and media also to be trigger and the media also to be trigger happy with accusations of corruption when it's against the conservative. but actually, as you said , does smack of you said, does smack of corruption. and i think that you know, we were liberal with the term in some respects and then not in others. so really it's not in others. so really it's not just boris johnson is being hypocritical here. well lastly, angelica, i'll go to you just to finish on on on topic. people on the left left wing commentators . it's not just conservatives or right or right wing media

outlets that have talked about the fact this looks fishy that it should be called out, that it should be investigated . this should be investigated. this appointment , left wing appointment, left wing commentators, left wing journalists have been saying the very same would you at least welcome an inquiry when discussions started between sue gray and castel . so i don't gray and castel. so i don't yeah.i gray and castel. so i don't yeah. i don't have an issue with an investigation into this appointment. however, i think it's really important that it doesn't overshadow the main inquiry going on and i think it's an easy thing to distract from and it's to the point before that these rules open to interpretation and they clearly weren't that clever as far as kids because johnson kids not understands he broke them. i don't believe that. i think they were clear and i think he thought he was above the rules and that he could get away with it and wouldn't be held accountable. they could have these not socially these obviously not socially distanced gatherings that involved and involved alcohol and celebrations, etc. we all had

birthdays. none of us celebrated them. so i think that that's a really important thing that there's not overshadow that even if there is a different separate inquiry, of inquiry, the appointment of super we will wait and see super well we will wait and see to see if this has his political comeback is that boris comeback is clear that boris johnson see johnson would like to see himself back in number 10, but perhaps himself perhaps he will find himself suspended instead . thank you suspended instead. thank you very much. emma political very much. emma webb, political commentator we'll commentator angelica lim. we'll be back you in just one moment. but a lot of you have been sending in your thoughts on the topics we have discussing today on state comms on those on state comms comments on those who expansion. alison. who protested expansion. alison. alison says, i am disgusted with the manner in which sadiq khan has approached ulez has approached entire ulez matter particularly his matter and particularly his apparent disinterest in londoners expressing their views both consultation and in both in the consultation and in the ealing meeting . very rude of the ealing meeting. very rude of him and confirms his of statesmanship. i can't disagree with there on whether with you there on whether lockdown sceptics been lockdown sceptics have been vindicated. patricia has to say i don't know anyone who didn't support lockdown. i because we were afraid but to keep us locked for so long

locked down for so long was a mistake and think we would have been locked down for longer if it were left to stop. emma well, the that the evidence does suggest that that my monologue. brian that true on my monologue. brian standing up for our rights as citizen of a so—called free country for and freedom of speech. well done, emily that was, course, me about was, of course, me talking about what wakefield with what happened. wakefield with boys being suspended and recorded a non hate incident recorded as a non hate incident for slightly damaging a koran in a school. let me know what you think about that. but thank as ever for sending in your views. now to our next story, rishi sunakis now to our next story, rishi sunak is reportedly considering an urgent review of sex education materials in schools which have been called age inappropriate . the evidence inappropriate. the evidence presented to the prime minister was the social was collected. the new social covenant unit , was collected. the new social covenant unit, unit was collected. the new social covenant unit , unit two was collected. the new social covenant unit, unit two think tank. it alleges that children are exposed to unsuitable sexually explicit resources and contested ideology, which is presented facts. so i'm asking should there be an inquiry and should there be an inquiry and should sorts of things be taught to children? so back with me to debate. this is my political panel debate. this is my political

panel, political commentator emma webb and the editor in of about time magazine angelica. angelica you think it's appropriate for schools to be teaching things like gender trans action or gender fluidity or that your gender is assigned at birth too young well, i think it's a very nuanced , difficult it's a very nuanced, difficult topic. and there's a lot of detail within it. i think what should be done is an independent thatis should be done is an independent that is charged with coming into schools and delivering sex education, which is backed by research and campaigns and understanding of objectives. and i think it should be consistent among schools and not varied or varied curriculum between different and i think more thought needs to go into it. and it's not just teachers who are tired at the end of the day delivering these classes, but independent body that can deliver them. i think that would be very important . and also be very important. and also a review . so one of the things review. so one of the things that was flagged in this story in the story was that it was

from the ages of eight and nine, which perhaps is too young to be teaching this kind of content. so i think a review into what kind of age appropriate to kind of age is appropriate to start education, start teaching sex education, but . it's important but i do think. it's important to have a well—rounded and balanced approach with these things. and for children to understand the reality of the world that they're living in and understanding of people's different ideologies. emma it's not just a case of one school doing teaching essentially , doing teaching essentially, ideology is fact or gender ideology is fact or gender ideology as fact. there seem to be every day there seems to be another story about a school where inappropriate teachings going on. what you think. is it time for a inquiry ? well, this time for a inquiry? well, this is a that has been made many, many times going back years, even kemi badenoch made this point in relation to critical race theory being taught in schools that. schools are teaching contested ideology as

fact and that obviously this is the case within has become the gender debate or the trans gendered debate. i think this research from new social covenant unit is hugely welcome. i think that it would be absolutely right for this to be subject to some kind of public inquiry. but i also think that while such an inquiry is taking place, they need to halt whatever is taught currently because is actually safeguarding concern . and that's the concern. and that's the fundamental point of this research. and miriam cates mp, i think is absolutely right and calling on rishi sunak to do something about this and i think he needs to act on this because as i say this a safeguarding concern . one of the in the concern. one of the in the telegraph report on this one of the these age inappropriate lessons included teaching nine year old students about and we've seen a story in this last week in the isle of man a trend of a drag queen students this uncontested and some people

would probably say mad idea that there are 73 genders so there is a lot going on at the moment within schools within the with the teaching of these on content of contested ideologies . and i of contested ideologies. and i think we need to seriously at the way that external providers are also being brought in on this . so the issue is actually this. so the issue is actually and this is mary kate's point that the department for education cannot be the people who investigate this because actually problem is with their 2019 guidance itself . so i think 2019 guidance itself. so i think this needs to be looked at extremely urgently . i mean, extremely urgently. i mean, angelica, i mean, i certainly agree with you, emma, that it should be at urgently if this sort of thing is now commonplace, which seems to be angelica. i a lot of parents watching now or grandparents watching now or grandparents watching now or grandparents watching now would be horrified if knew that their children were going to and having a queen come in and teach their kids. there are 73 genders. i mean , it has are 73 genders. i mean, it has gone too far. surely this isn't progressive anymore. this is

radical. i think we have to careful of that being one example of something within school that happened and. parents would distress about and taking that and saying this is happening all over the country. we should take this urgent action and, getting people, whipping people into a frenzy and these stories are often and few between and not instance don't want to comment personally on what i think about but the parents are unhappy that should be dealt with independently. but i being careful that we're i think being careful that we're not saying this is some kind of agenda language that agenda and the language that we're using around this kind of education, that is a place that is more compassionate and understanding is important . understanding and is important. the world that we're living in and how children going out into that world, the kind of people that world, the kind of people that are going interact with. so i think having balanced sex education, i know when i was at school that was a very lacking sex education. it was barely taboo at all and it was a kind headin taboo at all and it was a kind

head in the sand approach that i don't think is any better. so i agree. i think an investigation is important and then an independent . and i there's independent. and i think there's also a space where parents have also a space where parents have a say in the curriculum as well and how that's so i think a lot of parents prefer a sort of back to basics this birds and the bees kind sex education and for everything else be left to parents know their children best but i could see i can see your argument there angelica. but thank you very much for, both of you, for joining thank you very much for, both of you, forjoining me thank you very much for, both of you, for joining me today for today's panel and the political commentator madan, who commentator angelica madan, who is chief about is the editor in chief at about time magazine . thank you time magazine. thank you very much indeed. got much indeed. now we've got a comment a department comment from a department education spokesman spokesman who has said we have made relationship sex and health education a part of the school curriculum to help young people to make informed about their wellbeing, health and relations . schools must make sure all content they use is factual and age appropriate and engage with parents. they are aware of what their children are being taught and dame rachel de souza, the

children's commissioner said, there is no doubt that duty to protect children from harmful or inappropriate content, both onune inappropriate content, both online and is of paramount importance . but it online and is of paramount importance. but it is just as important . they are given the important. they are given the knowledge and skills need to navigate the world around them and sensible, informed judgements . that's why must judgements. that's why we must put views voices at the put the views voices at the heart of how s h e is taught, while also making sure that parents and carers are given about what they are learning . about what they are learning. well, i think a lot of parents watching this would like to would like to know what their children are being taught and whether they can have a say in it. you're going to sexual it. you're going to make sexual education you have education compulsory. you have to make applicable to all. to make it applicable to all. i think anyway. well this is real britain news on tv, online britain on gb news on tv, online digital well, digital radio printing. well, coming today's coming up on today's show. first, to the weather . first, we'll go to the weather. hello craig stone. hello there. i'm craig stone. hazel this is forecast on the met office as we go for the next few although this will be few days although this will be rather cloudy and dry, week is certainly a good deal certainly turning a good deal with some snow for with the risk of some snow for

some though, at moment some us though, at the moment still area of high still got this area of high pressure firmly charge across the country. this cold front will a focus of some will just be a focus of some showers some eastern and showers across some eastern and northern parts of uk . but northern parts of the uk. but for most of us as we end saturday, it's going to be dry. but rather cloudy the best but rather cloudy with the best of any clear skies up across western scotland. later on in the night we will start to see some wintry showers affecting very far north of scotland . but very far north of scotland. but for that , no real very far north of scotland. but for that, no real problems for many that, no real problems with temperatures, no . than with temperatures, no. than around 3 to 4 degrees for a lot of the country. so sunday, england and wales, a very similar to saturday, plenty of cloud risk of some showers across parts of the country for scotland and northern ireland. i'm hopeful we will see a little bit more in the way of brightness compared to saturday but also the risk of some showers and these showers once again will be wintry, especially across high ground temperatures on sunday at best around 8 to 9 degrees. but factor the wind, it will still be feeling pretty if you are out and about into

sunday evening . across the sunday evening. across the north, an increase risk of some showers, especially across scotland where these will turn increasingly sleet and snow even at lower levels . the risk of at lower levels. the risk of some ice to so do take some extra care if you are out and about early on monday could just see some disruption courtesy of that snow further a colder night then saturday night maybe a touch frost in a few spots where we do see the skies remain and then as we go into monday, tuesday and wednesday turns even colder still across the uk, risk of some snow across the high ground at first. but as we go into the middle of the week, we may even see some snow moving into south too. but you can keep an eye on all the information through the warnings on the met office website . i'm jacob office website. i'm jacob rees—mogg , the member of rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset , a parliament for north east somerset, a former government minister. for years i've walked the corridors of power in, both westminster and the city of

london. i campaigned in the largest democratic vote in ireland i know country ireland story. i know country has so much to be proud of. we need to have the arguments , need to have the arguments, discussions we make it discussions on how we make it better . the wisdom the nation better. the wisdom of the nation is its people. populi. is in its people. vox populi. vox that's why i'm joining the people's. join me monday and thursday at 8 pm. on gb news, britain's news .

channel welcome back to real britain me emily carver on tv online , emily carver on tv online, digital radio and now plenty more coming up this hour. i want to know whether suella braverman was right to . suggest political was right to. suggest political correctness has allowed islamist terrorism to flourish. also it's world obesity day. before we get stuck into that, let's get the

news with sanchez . emily, thank news with sanchez. emily, thank you . good afternoon. it's 3:00. you. good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the from the gb newsroom new messages involving the health secretary show him reacting to footage of him . his reacting to footage of him. his colleague gina collard caught embracing during the leaked whatsapp message reading how bad are the photos were sent by matt hancock hours after he discovered pictures him breaching social distancing had been published . the messages been published. the messages also show him discussing guidance in place at the time and how he should respond to the media. the correspondent is more than 100,000 messages as obtained by the daily telegraph .bons obtained by the daily telegraph . borisjohnson obtained by the daily telegraph . boris johnson is facing fresh pressure after . a . boris johnson is facing fresh pressure after. a report suggests breaches of covid in downing street would have been obvious to him at the time . the obvious to him at the time. the commons privileges committee , commons privileges committee, his conduct during believes the former minister may have misled

parliament at least four times. mr. johnson says it was his belief all guidance had been followed and there's no he knowingly or recklessly mps. former adviser to michael gove rowley told us partygate , is rowley told us partygate, is still a distraction for the government who should be focusing on what matters. this is why on the back of the inquiry that published that big report yesterday on the back of messages that we're seeing leaked to the telegraph that involved the former health secretary and the appointment of sue gray to the labour party as chief staff. to you, sir keir starmer, i think this labour starmer, i think this why labour will be for the country to be talking about partygate again because. it is a distraction from allowing the government to tell the public and to deliver on really matters to people and that's education in the health service. it's stopping the small boats, it's getting the economy back on track. the government's to announce new laws next to

crack down on small boats crossing the channel. it's thought the new legislation will involve disallow asylum claims from those travel to the uk on small as well as banning migrants from returning once removed. the prime minister has vowed to stop the boats as one of his five priorities. is next week's ambulance strikes in england and wales been suspended after the government have agreed to hold talks over pay . tens of to hold talks over pay. tens of thousands of gmb and unison workers had been due to walk out on monday and wednesday, but the unions have called off the action after saying ministers had offered potential pay rises for this year and next year. charity age uk has urged the government to step in. as it says thousands of elderly people have died as a result of not getting proper. figures from nhs england show almost 29,000 requests for people aged 65 and over to be given support 2021 and 2020 to were in fact

recorded as having died without any service being provided whatsoever. the charity said the figures amount to over 500 deaths per week. the health department says it's providing up seven and a half billion pounds of funding over the next two years to support social care . the ministry defence says ukrainian forces defending bakhmut are facing further from russia within tense fighting in and around the city. military intelligence has said resupply routes out of the town are increasingly limited , with two increasingly limited, with two key bridges in bakhmut in the last 36 hours. mod tweeted whilst ukraine's defence is reinforcing the area the russian army and private military , army and private military, wagner have made further advances into bakhmut northern suburbs . the uk is in for a cold suburbs. the uk is in for a cold snap next week with temperatures expected to drop below freezing monday and tuesday will see lows of minus three in and minus two

in northwest and east of england . yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are also in place from early to late on tuesday across northern scotland and england. the met office says the conditions are likely to cause travel disruption as well as power outages . and holy oil used power outages. and holy oil used to anoint the king during his coronation in may. vegan friendly. it's been made with olives and scented with rose and cinnamon with no animal ingredients . it's also been made ingredients. it's also been made sacred in a ceremony in jerusalem . the anointing of the jerusalem. the anointing of the new monarch will take place under a canopy at. westminster abbey on the 6th of may, along with a coronation ceremony where the king will be crowned . this the king will be crowned. this is a gb news bring you more news as it happens now it's back to real britain with .

real britain with. emily yes, welcome back to real britain . here's what's coming yes, welcome back to real britain. here's what's coming up on the show this hour. the home secretary is under fire. the saying political correctness has islamist terrorism flourish . the islamist terrorism flourish. the uk problem and said a highly coordinated islamist network had been largely unchallenged as it spread propaganda and warped , spread propaganda and warped, claiming that political has created a blind spot which extremists have operated under our radar . extremists have operated under our radar. but does she have a point? i think so. then the duke and duchess of sussex have asked to vacate their base of frogmore cottage. that's the couple's spokesperson has said , for the spokesperson has said, for the home march of a new resident . home march of a new resident. soon, reports seem to suggest that none other than prince andrew has been offered the cottage by brother , the cottage keys by his brother, the king. are your thoughts on king. what are your thoughts on that? it's world that? and later, it's world obesity day , but what's obesity day, but what's the point having day that point of having a day that celebrates? an epidemic celebrates? it's an epidemic that can to major that can lead to some major health problems, including heart that can lead to some major healdiabetes.ns, including heart that can lead to some major healdiabetes. so including heart that can lead to some major healdiabetes. so we luding heart that can lead to some major healdiabetes. so we need; heart that can lead to some major healdiabetes. so we need a1eart that can lead to some major healdiabetes. so we need a taxt and diabetes. so we need a tax and diabetes. so we need a tax and family to there. and i'll be

joined by former presenter of fat family steve miller and christopher snowdon from the two discuss . that's what we're discuss that. that's what we're talking about for the next hour. i'd love know your thoughts on today's as always, you today's topics. as always, you can gb or you can tweet me at gb news or you can tweet me at gb news or you can me on can email me on gbviews@gbnews.uk. you can watch us online on youtube course back in the tick . all right. us online on youtube course back in the tick . all right . suella in the tick. all right. suella braverman has been talking tough . this week, she's warned that political correctness has created a blind spot for islamic terrorism to flourish . it comes terrorism to flourish. it comes after a review of the government's counter extremism program prevent which found islamist radicalisation had not been tackled effectively . she been tackled effectively. she also wrote in the telegraph today in the times, i believe that she was appalled at the of police recording a non crime hate incident an autistic hate incident after an autistic teenage boy at a wakefield school dropped koran that had been damaged . so does she have been damaged. so does she have a point? is political correctness blinding police and our blinding our police and our blasphemy laws back blasphemy laws creeping back

into country by back door into country by the back door through those who take offence ? through those who take offence? joining me is former metropolitan detective peter blakesley and author and broadcaster rebecca reid . we'll broadcaster rebecca reid. we'll take this one by one and she'll shall we? peter talking about islamic terrorism . adam suella islamic terrorism. adam suella braverman was at fisk a conference this counter conference. she suggested that political correctness is allowing islamic to flourish even if it's not violent extremism , non—violent extremism extremism, non—violent extremism . well correctness, of course, coming many different things to many people and to some people , many people and to some people, the mere mention of the expression is toxic. however suella braverman perhaps clumsily , as got the point here, clumsily, as got the point here, because i prefer to use the expression afraid tell the truth is , creating a blind spot. is, creating a blind spot. because we've seen also so many

occasions no enforce , but occasions no enforce, but because of the colour of somebody's skin or because of somebody's skin or because of somebody face being afraid . yes. somebody face being afraid. yes. afraid to act without fear or favour to . act properly to favour to. act properly to arrest, perpetrate parties and to prevent crime . so it comes as to prevent crime. so it comes as no surprise me that this might be seeping into counter—terrorism work . rebecca, counter—terrorism work. rebecca, thank you for us this afternoon. do you think that suella braverman peter there have a point that sometimes are afraid to call a spade a spade and this can prevent us from dealing extremism and then go on to violent extremism . i think the violent extremism. i think the issue is there are there are people who are afraid to be perceived racist. but there is also an endemic issue with racism in policing . and the racism in policing. and the problem remains when people are profiled on the colour of their skin by people who are in positions of authority, that creates a distrust for the police of the police, which i think is in thailand's. the same

distrust i a lot of women given the circumstances with the of the circumstances with the of the met being under investigation for sexual impropriety. so do understand that i'm white person i hate the idea of saying the wrong thing. i put my foot in my mouth trying not to accidentally say something racist before. but at the token , police need the same token, the police need to to navigate that to be able to navigate that difficult between not being difficult gap between not being a racist, but also i understand not being perceived as not being perceived as being . peter think perceived as being. peter think when it comes to islamism, islam , we do have a special case. i mean, suella braverman man has come out as well in the times today very strongly to say that no , do not have blasphemy laws no, do not have blasphemy laws in this country. this, of course, refers the case in wakefield . a boy allegedly wakefield. a boy allegedly dropped a koran . it got lightly dropped a koran. it got lightly scuffed and all hell broke loose . and the mother was brought to what one could say was a sharia style trial with a police officer present at a counsellor prison and community leaders

present. surely the police should be prioritising the safety of children . the boy has safety of children. the boy has been given death as a result of this rather than a of people are offended because their religion may have been offended in their view . i may have been offended in their view. i saw some of may have been offended in their view . i saw some of the clip the view. i saw some of the clip the stills as well from from that meeting and to be perfectly frank i was rather horrified because it cuts really to the malays is at the heart of so much policing these days and thatis much policing these days and that is the fluffy 21st century police service that tried to be friends to everybody. it has this phrase community engagement andifs this phrase community engagement and it's reached out with every group campaign , group, special group campaign, group, special interest group. you can imagine, while largely forgetting the overwhelming of people there were law abiding sit somewhere round about the centre and would like to know the name of their

neighbourhood cop. if police continue to pander whilst forgetting the law abiding majority then they are just going to continue to go down this fluffy route where they failed so many and trust in policing as it is now is plummeting . i mean rebecca it is plummeting. i mean rebecca it is extraordinary that this situation incident if you can call it that i think it's more trivial than an incident was recorded by the police as a non hate incident . what on earth is hate incident. what on earth is that about ? yeah. i mean, look, that about? yeah. i mean, look, i've israel to burn a koran. i think about a bible, a page with a torah . i think about a bible, a page with a torah. i think if you if think about a bible, a page with a torah . i think if you if you a torah. i think if you if you paid for the jewels , you go to paid for the jewels, you go to do whatever you want with it. it's a book. if you don't believe in the religion, it's literally a i this literally a book. i found this uncomfortable to my wallet. what dislike that it's dislike about it is that it's being as a backdoor. people being used as a backdoor. people who just genuinely don't like islam how much it islam talk about how much it multicoloured has failed. this is really experience and i too is a really experience and i too

found watching that sort of a thing really uncomfortable , thing really uncomfortable, especially the fact that she covered her hair and she's not somebody who covers her religiously for. i hated that. yeah, but that doesn't mean that we can suddenly use that as a stick to beat up. to beat back the examples . stick to beat up. to beat back the examples. i stick to beat up. to beat back the examples . i get your stick to beat up. to beat back the examples. i get your point. itake the examples. i get your point. i take your point. but examples are mounting up mean there is a teacher suella braverman said there is a teacher still in hiding in batley or wherever gone because he showed a picture of the prophet muhammad in a religious studies class. i mean it and the police the police you know , there are angry protests know, there are angry protests the police are seen to not do much. you have self—appointed community leaders talking how offended they are and. it does seem to me and to a lot of the public, i'm sure that we seem to indulge this nonsense. i mean, i think part of the problem is that these stories unusual and shocking, which is why hear so much about them. that's the nature news, right? we always talk about the thing that's

surprising about surprising we don't talk about things that aren't surprising. and soi things that aren't surprising. and so i don't think that and i but so i don't think that this is significant scale of this is the significant scale of problem people talking problem that people are talking about it is. i think about it as if it is. i think it's that we get more upset about because is shocking about it because it is shocking . the first person to . but i'm the first person to say i think policing is say that i think policing is failing. you know, i go on the channel every single and channel every single week and say defund the police. say a, defund the police. i think failing. think policing is failing. i disagree that it's because it's too fluffy. i agree. i it's more too fluffy. i agree. i it's more to do i think, fluffy to do with i think, fluffy across those whatsapp groups talking using talking about, you know, using racial about racial slurs, looking about raping women . but i it's raping women. but i think it's interesting that on both sides of the debate, we both that policing working and. if policing is working and. if people really are on side, if i'm saying it, then surely that's going to be true. but people peter, rebecca says these these these incidents a few and far between are because we've been reading for years sharia style trials in this country we've seen protests over cartoons and over depictions of the prophet . we've seen the prophet. we've seen

counsellors indulging this . this counsellors indulging this. this isn't just a tiny fringe issue, isn't just a tiny fringe issue, is it ? this is police pandering is it? this is police pandering and when police pander to the needs or the special sensibilities of every single minority in dress group, there is rather rather than focusing on what the public want. this is the route we go down. this is what comfort fencing the police stumbles . because when they say stumbles. because when they say all these being put into things that quite frankly is not of huge concern to many millions of people who don't want money wasted on police cars being paid to give rainbow colours. for example , the public say, well, example, the public say, well, wherever police for me i have my costs doubled in my house. but while i was alive my but my friend my family member go subject investigations are closed down within a matter of hours but quite frankly nothing

done about it until policing gets back to the basics , which gets back to the basics, which is keeping the streets safe , is keeping the streets safe, preventing crime. investigate rising crime promptly and swiftly . it happens then the swiftly. it happens then the pubuc swiftly. it happens then the public are just going to shake their heads and really the plummeting of trust and confidence the police is utterly catches dropping. yes, i'm sure there are many burglaries in. west yorkshire and in wakefield , but people would prefer a police officers to get stuck into and handle. thank you very much, both of you. rebecca reed, author , broadcaster, and peter author, broadcaster, and peter bexley, former police detective. some suffering from an agreement . the head teacher of kettle thorpe high school, where the current incident true to griffiths in a statement we would like to reassure all our community that the holy book fully intact and that our and that our initial inquiries there was no malicious intent those involved. however we have made it very clear that their actions did not treat the koran with the

respect it have. so those involved have been and we will be working with them to ensure they understand why their actions unacceptable. i goodness gracious me. that does sound a little like we have some little bit like we have some kind blasphemy law in this kind of blasphemy law in this country. times are country. anyway, the times are reporting that the prime minister, his home secretary, will legislation will reveal legislation that will reveal legislation that will asylum claims from will make all asylum claims from those who come to uk small those who come to the uk small boats inadmissible . facing boats inadmissible. facing a duty on braverman to remove as soon reasonably practise soon as reasonably practise a couple currently asylum seekers have the right to remain in the country to have case heard. but under these new plans, they will be barred claiming asylum be barred from claiming asylum while uk and once removed while the uk and once removed they will be permanently banned from returning. joining me is former ukip mep stephen wolf. stephen, i'm sure you've got strong views on this. thank you for joining me. can you just forjoining me. can you just talk me through what's what's changed is this signal, changed here? is this a signal, a development ? well, in some it a development? well, in some it is a significant development. there is legislation we've got amongst the myriad of

immigration laws that enables the government to be able to remove people from the country to other nation states assessment of their asylum . and, assessment of their asylum. and, of course, we've had the rwanda case that it was successful on behalf of the home office in defeating those challenges from the trade unions and non—governmental organisations like care for calais, who tried prevent the scheme. what is significant here is that it's allowing the government and of we've got to wait till we see the actual legislation itself. i'm trying to find out behind the scenes exactly what the type of legislation is and everyone is very strong about it, which goodin is very strong about it, which good in some ways is really how they plan to remove people from this country without breaching a the un refugee convention of which we are signatories of , be which we are signatories of, be the european court of human and the european court of human and the human rights act and the ability therefore , of lawyers ability therefore, of lawyers representing those asylum

applicants from challenging the courts in the various immigration appeals, particularly that from the embarkation fields first tribunal. do you think that absence really every person who crosses the channel in a boat to arrive here should be allowed to claim asylum. you would have thought that in the boats would be some people may have a very genuine case. or would you that. no.and genuine case. or would you that. no. and let's make it clear from the outset of my campaigning research search of legislation on immigration. i've always stated that it is very important that this nation has a very clear route for genuine asylum seekers to come into this country and make the claim. the question here is whether the claims should be made in the united kingdom or it can be made elsewhere. my second main point was there is a recognition that we now acknowledge that there

are many people who come to different countries and claim asylum , economic migrants , they asylum, economic migrants, they are not the same type of people and should be distinctly treated differently. now what i see from this legislation and what i hear from those in government and mps who are following this closely is that there is no intention from this government prevent people who genuinely need the help of this for state fleeing asylum, particularly the un convention for refugee is that they should be denied asylum. the only question is whether they should be assessed here in they should be assessed here in the united kingdom , we have the united kingdom, we have significant problems over housing and backlogs , making housing and backlogs, making delays really extensive or whether they can be held elsewhere . and i think that elsewhere. and i think that beanng elsewhere. and i think that bearing in mind the influx that we've had over the past years, it goes beyond thousand and 18. it's a build up, a long period of time being able to assess people genuinely outside of the

country in other areas is a significant move forward . this significant move forward. this legislation hopefully enables the government to that whilst maintaining our rights to look after those who seek genuine asylum. i mean, the problem is just lastly, very quickly, the problem is, is that the government seems to me anyway, as someone who observes this of course every day what's going is that every time the government comes up with a plan it is immediately demonise it. the lawyers come out, the activists come out, the charity groups come out, the charity groups come and say, no, you cannot do this. do you think it's actually possible for our government to stop the small boats coming across ? because it's reached across? because it's reached a point where it just seems unfeasible for it to continue . unfeasible for it to continue. it's always possible for a to completely stop the boats coming across. there are a number of ways that they can achieve it. they could return. the boats under the laws of the sea and face an international but can really. they could do anything but they won't. what this is to

do is disrupt the people smuggling model by putting fear into the of them by saying that we can't sell deal anymore. that you get directly to the united kingdom , you're now being moved kingdom, you're now being moved to a different country for assessment. and there you may be turned down and never allowed to come in. that becomes a really significant element . people who significant element. people who are looking to put around 12 to £15000 to travel from, say, afghani state, iran, iraq, somalia to get to the united kingdom and then have to pay it off under the kind of lending model that people smugglers do . model that people smugglers do. so that's where this really important and very key . and if important and very key. and if they manage to achieve this and i do ask sometimes that those who genuinely believe in but they shouldn't be claiming the government does is simply trying to prevent people of different colours, all nationalities from coming in that is not the case they should also recognise that this is a very distinct issue

between genuine economic migrants and those seeking to break the and to work together . break the and to work together. this would be a much friendly environment to achieve. thank you very much , stephen, for you very much, stephen, for talking us through that that was, of course, stephen woolfe, former ukip , discussing the former ukip, discussing the latest on the small boats. now plenty more to come this afternoon on real britain after the break. it's been estimated the break. it's been estimated the that the duke and the mailonline that the duke and duchess sussex, harry and meghan have more than £100 have earned more than £100 million since they quit the firm and moved the states. has it and moved to the states. has it all worth it them? i'll all been worth it for them? i'll be to one of my be speaking to one of my favourite royal commentators. just first, let's just one tick. but first, let's have a short. i don't gb news because i was sick and tired of not hearing views being represented. not just mine, but so many people that knew spoke so many people that i knew spoke to. just couldn't get voice to. i just couldn't get my voice out i couldn't say out there. i couldn't say anything. anything. anything. i couldn't anything. whatever of whatever the narrative was, i of had follow it. gb news is had to follow it. gb news is there to provide a voice for those who have been ignored by the establishment media? we think things got think different things got a different style. gb news is here

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evicting the sussexes from uk home of frogmore cottage. the property was given to the couple by the queen as a wedding present. harry and meghan are reported to be shocked at the development though other reports actually about actually say they're okay about leaving if leaving the cottage and say if we need to move out. we will get ourselves. it's been reported prince move into prince andrew will move into frogmore and in news but frogmore and in other news but related the has estimated today the pair have racked up £100 million in earnings since they quit the firm and to the states. so joining me is former bbc correspondent michael cole. michael, thank you very indeed for joining us this afternoon on real britain so . where should we real britain so. where should we start? i'd like to start i may with this amount of money that they seem to have accrued being in the states, they don't really need the frogmore cottage anymore, do they ? do you think anymore, do they? do you think they'll still consider this a snub and a slight to? their egos about what a week it has been ? about what a week it has been? emily a right royal gave us royal monopoly or perhaps that's musical houses as you say,

meghan and harry have been given nofice meghan and harry have been given notice quit but that actually really recognises the reality of the situation and the reality is that they are now committed to america. they're not coming back here but this is their last property link to this country. and as you say , don't think and as you say, don't think they're going to be too fussed about that. they live in a hilltop . costing £11 million out hilltop. costing £11 million out of montecito , vito. and as you of montecito, vito. and as you also indicated, they've turned into the montecito money machine . the estimate is that they are now worth more than £100 million. now, how is that up? well, £81 million for net flicks. we all the six part mona thorn, harry and meghan just before christmas i covered it with you and with the other stars of gb news £25 million from spotify fine and then £60

million from penguin random house for a full book. and that actually looks quite for the publisher because spare the autobiography that he wrote or . autobiography that he wrote or. in fact, an american journalist wrote forehand has been selling well for him for a non—fiction book. it's broken a lot of records and of course, it was after one day after that was published on the 10th of january that the king said, enough is enough , and they were given enough, and they were given nofice enough, and they were given notice to quit. what is that? what is it they say about is a dish best eaten ? well, even dish best eaten? well, even royal porridge is probably best eaten cold very . good, very eaten cold very. good, very good. but so they've made or they're making all this cash but is worth the cost perhaps that they can achieve that . that's they can achieve that. that's absolutely the point i mean let's just look at it very

coldly what are they to sell their royal connections if their name were mr. or mrs. harold mountbatten—windsor would we care would americans care. and there is a strong evidence that there is a strong evidence that the americans are getting a bit fed up with them. will certainly interest and there are approval ratings in his case down to —11 in her case down to —17. and the great thing about america is that they always want the new thing they want novelty. this the home of nostalgia. this is where the old stars come and appearin where the old stars come and appear in pantomime and we cherish , those people in america cherish, those people in america they said well he's had that that's old hat that's as old as i bought boots. what's next and the thing is next for them all they've got to do is peddle their royal connections well after a while it becomes yawn a song and at that stage they're

looking around and of course £100 million. wouldn't we all like to, have it? not bad for a boy who left eton. one of the best schools in the world with two a—levels i think was a b and a d in art and geography. so he's done pretty well. but if you've got round the clock security perhaps eight man detail all the time. well that's to burn through a lot of money, at least million pounds a year. it's estimated. and there are other expenses as so they'll have to look out for the income streams . but have to look out for the income streams. but i have to look out for the income streams . but i don't think that streams. but i don't think that you and i emily, will be weeping for them . they're very lucky for them. they're very lucky that good looking people, they've got beautiful children, healthy children . they've got healthy children. they've got all the money in the world and they've got all these people saying to them, that doesn't happen. saying to them, that doesn't happen . you, me, emily, it happen. you, me, emily, it doesn't it doesn't. what we do we do see a lot with celebrities that they they get all this income , but they spend it very income, but they spend it very quickly , burn through it very quickly, burn through it very quickly, burn through it very

quickly indeed . and i'm sure, as quickly indeed. and i'm sure, as you say, they've got huge outgoings. so they'll have to find something else to peddle to make money from. anyway, thank you very much, michael. michael former with us former bbc correspondent with us to the latest from the to discuss the latest from the royals you with gb news on tv and dab radio after the break is world a best day to celebrate. what's the point of having this day at all. how do you think we can well combat obesity. it seems that taxing more and banning more doesn't seem to be helping. but perhaps by my panellists will disagree in just one moment. steve miller of families and christopher snowdon from the iea . but first let's from the iea. but first let's get a check on the news headlines. karen armstrong . hi headlines. karen armstrong. hi there. it's 3:30 now. just after it, i'm out. armstrong in the gb news at new messages involving former health secretary matt hancock show him reacting to footage of him and his colleague

gina colin deangelo caught embracing during and the leaked whatsapp message reading how bad are the photos were sent by hancock hours after he discovered of him breaching social distancing rules have been published on the messages also show him discussing covid guidance in place at the time and how he should respond to the media. the correspondence is among more than 100,000 messages obtained by the daily telegraph .bons obtained by the daily telegraph . borisjohnson obtained by the daily telegraph . boris johnson is facing fresh pressure after report suggests breaches of covid in downing street would have been obvious to him at the time. the commons privileges committee investigate . his conduct during partygate believes the former prime minister may have misled parliament at least four times. mr. johnson says . it was his mr. johnson says. it was his belief or guidance had been followed and there's evidence he knowingly , recklessly misled knowingly, recklessly misled employees . the government is employees. the government is expected to announce new laws next week to crack down on small crossing the channel. it's

thought the new legislation will involve disallowing asylum claims from . those who travel to claims from. those who travel to the uk on small boats as well as banning migrants from returning once removed , the prime once removed, the prime minister's vowed to stop the boats . one of his five boats. one of his five priorities, the holly oil used to anoint the king during his coronation in may, will be vegan friendly. it's made with olives and scented with rose and cinnamon with no ottoman . it's cinnamon with no ottoman. it's also been made sacred in a ceremony in jerusalem , the ceremony in jerusalem, the anointing of the new monarch take place under a canopy at westminster abbey on the 6th of may, along the coronation ceremony, where the king will be crowned on tv online and dab+ radio. this is going , but don't radio. this is going, but don't go anywhere and real britain is back in just a moment.

welcome back. this is real britain on the news now today , britain on the news now today, believe it or not, it is world obesity day. and in the uk there's much been worrying about apparently levels of obesity in the uk are expected to reach 64% by 2035. it's on the globally and efforts address it are challenging perhaps due to misconceptions around obesity and the role it can play in a person's health. so i want to know how do we tackle the ever growing issue of obesity ? it growing issue of obesity? it seems on the one hand we want to celebrate bodies, but on the other we want to tax inbound people into adopting a healthy lifestyle doesn't sense lifestyle. it doesn't make sense to but joining me is, the to me but joining me now is, the former presenter fat family former presenter of fat family miller of lifestyle miller and head of lifestyle economics iea, economics at the iea, christopher stone. and so, steve, we do have this conundrum at the moment. we want to celebrate people of all bodies, big and slim . but then we also big and slim. but then we also seem want to tax and ban people submission. so what's the answer to this problem of . well, it was

to this problem of. well, it was interesting . earlier, you talked interesting. earlier, you talked about political correctness . and about political correctness. and there is no doubt that over the last i don't know , ten years, last i don't know, ten years, political correctness made us more chubby . you know, you're more chubby. you know, you're not allowed to use the word fat apparently, although that might changing now. and if you i mean, what's what's weird about this day is today is about being really concerned about obesity . really concerned about obesity. tomorrow, though, if people start saying, oh, it is wrong , start saying, oh, it is wrong, be fat, they will be called a fat . like i'm called quite often fat. like i'm called quite often the reality here, let's look at the reality here, let's look at the numbers. two thirds of the uk is too fat already. half of the world is going to be overweight by 2035. child obesity predicted to increase by 100, yet apparently you should love your curves. i your chunky bodies and you should not be using the word fat. it'll upset people. i'd say nonsense to that . i think we have to be stronger . we have to, of course, give out the love, but we also have

to get at that stake as well . to get at that stake as well. start saying to people fat is wrong if you're fat, sort it out. it will probably kill you. you know what? if you're a parent of a fat child, be ashamed because you are responsible for your child. we've to get that sort of message out there. well, there you go. chris, steve, to bring back a bit of shaming and a bit of personal responsibility when it comes to being obese or stopping people from being obese. but you've looked the evidence on all of this. you are an state expert . firstly, are we an state expert. firstly, are we getting fatter? is this a crisis 7 getting fatter? is this a crisis ? and secondly , does taxing more ? and secondly, does taxing more taxing sugary products, does banning marketing, etc, does that work ? well, a few that work? well, a few questions. and i mean, first one is, is it basically going up? yes is generally speaking and, not necessarily most children, but amongst adults it takes up. it always goes much slower. it always goes up much slower. the predictions and the purpose of world yesterday, far as i of world of yesterday, far as i can tell, is allow people to

come up with risible come up with some risible forecasts about how obesity is going to every few years, what they've always been massively wrong forecasts is wrong in these forecasts is that is basically straight line is basically a straight line through the charts through the through the charts and will eventually and they will eventually everybody be beast everybody is going to be a beast which won't be. what which tells you won't be. what should about i it's should we do about it? i it's not a crisis, i would when not a crisis, i would say when you the crisis i'd like to think that i you the crisis i'd like to think thati can you the crisis i'd like to think that i can think of more important issues now. i think if you wrote a list the you if i wrote a list the biggest issues facing united kingdom obesity day kingdom or the world obesity day would on aids. it's would not be on aids. it's not that a quite frankly that big a deal, quite frankly it's matter for individuals. it's a matter for individuals. yes it is linked to various yes, it linked to type diabetes it is linked to type diabetes with type two diabetes like obesity is reversible . you don't obesity is reversible. you don't need drugs for it. you can just change diet and lose weight. so it's down to people whether they want to be overweight or obese or not. and i would say for a lot of people, it's a perfectly rational thing to do, actually. just get a bit of the beer, if you like, there if you like eating fruit. not everybody is that how look, that bothered about how look, you know, every once in while you know, every once in a while in health in meals, you see every health risk like this, like smoking

risk and like this, like smoking or well, you go, or alcohol. well, there you go, steve. you just said steve. i think you just said aids trying to male. listen we know the evidence is clear that would evidence again that being true we becoming too fat. i used to be fat myself. i was like a pig to be fat myself. i was like a pig in a blanket. i was right. and i to do something about it, i had to up and start to stop stop dodging the salad . there's stop dodging the salad. there's nothing like a reformed sinner is the steve obesity thing the nhs literally we have got to do something about it. i have to say . and world obesity day say. and world obesity day you're the contributor is right it's about graphs it's all about academic all of that i'm the guy that and that's 20 years his rolled his sleeves up and thousands of people to lose weight and that one of the things we have to get out there and this is important is to actually saying to people losing weight possible because what i've all of i've read online today all of these so—called academic experts i've read online today all of the�*saying:alled academic experts i've read online today all of the�*saying thisd academic experts i've read online today all of the�*saying this isicademic experts i've read online today all of the�*saying this is the emic experts i've read online today all of the�*saying this is the reason.perts are saying this is the reason why you can't lose weight. oh,

there are environmental factors . there's this factor. does that factor how inspiring? is that when is desperately wanting to lose weight? we have to start getting the message out there to people actually being fast, too wrong and. yes, you are too gorgeous to be fat. and that's the sort of language we need to start using. never all this academic claptrap but it's true academic claptrap but it's true a lot of the a company material to world obesity day seems to talk about people who are living with obesity. chris and that it is consequence of anyone and anyone and anything but themselves. chris that a lot of themselves. chris that a lot of the materials as well talk about the materials as well talk about the fact we need more tax on sugar and fat the fact that we need to clamp down on marketing . yeah i mean it's interesting, isn't it, living with obesity, this is a new politically correct word for it. rather than calling fat or obese, which i have no problem and i wouldn't do it to their faces. but i think in general journalism is

very reasonable. talk about obese people. people get a bum, bum. purpose of bum. that's the whole purpose of it, , make seem it, really, to make this seem like it's something that happens to rather than something to people rather than something is consequence of their is a consequence of their actions or indeed their inaction very often. and that then leads to the next stage , which is, to the next stage, which is, well, the government's got to do something about it because the people can't do anything about it and trapped in this obesogenic environment that they call help ourselves call it, we can't help ourselves from, picking up from, you know, picking up every, chocolate every, every chocolate bar we see. the to in some see. so we need the to in some way move the chocolate to a different shelf in, the supermarket, put the of supermarket, to put the price of chocolate bars on the fizzy chocolate bars up on the fizzy drinks. obviously have a sugar tax already. none these have tax already. none of these have been to anywhere. been shown to work anywhere. the sugar shown to work sugar tax has been shown to work in country. people are in this country. people are pretty, will pretty, you know, they will sacrifice lot of things in the household shopping before they change a diet . fundamentally, change a diet. fundamentally, you people who want you need people who want to change your, doctor. you need people to able to cook as people to be able to cook as well. a whole range of well. there are a whole range of things the government things that the government can't do about, but it's do a great deal about, but it's going to keep on trying. i find it frustrating when what

it very frustrating when what evidence ? a few times. evidence mention? a few times. where the evidence that any where is the evidence that any of stuff works? we of this stuff works? well, we tried of these tried quite few of these policies soon. got policies out very soon. got a so—called junk food advertising. we're the products in the supermarket is we're banning the font let's assess in font options. let's assess it in a years time . and if obesity a few years time. and if obesity has come down, i will come on this show i was wrong this show and say i was wrong about it. but if it's continued up, a the same rate. is it up, a much the same rate. is it always repeal that and always let's repeal that and rethink to this and rethink our approach to this and i'll steve i've been i'll steve been i've been looking at some of the magazines and the depiction of people with larger bodies and it seem like they are being but others would argue they're just being represented surely it's not good for people overall wellbeing and mental health to constantly feel they are some of lesser being for being bit overweight . oh, for being bit overweight. oh, there's no doubt. listen, we've gone from the catwalk to the catwalk in the united kingdom. i mean, everything is all about, you know , as i said earlier,

you know, as i said earlier, loving those curves and using these wonderful euphemism arms, that actually means it's in we should not we actually one of the solutions strategically by the solutions strategically by the government i'm not into nanny state however i'll it would be banning anything to do with the normal ization of obesity especially when i hear today that child obesity is going to increase . by 100. that going to increase. by 100. that is worrying . so chris is shaking is worrying. so chris is shaking . steve, steve, chris is his head. he doesn't believe these figures . you know , it won't of figures. you know, it won't of happily put serious amount of money on it, whether these are based on nothing, they have idea what causes obesity the first place these people they just look at something a trend and go what we think is going to everything is going right. everything is going to right. well, that well, do promise you that if these projections are right, then about half us would then about half of us would would already be obese. the actual so got actual figure is. so i've got a minute. i'm a minute. where's your saying your evidence for saying that, mr. academic? come on. well off

as much as dislikes. what's it called? it they help survey for england, i believe it's you know you're projecting into the future. are you saying they projected into the future and today's numbers are wrong . well today's numbers are wrong. well all the predictions in the past have been wrong and we're not on track for the projections made for 2030. so i'm going to say these ones are probably wrong. you know, it's not been a great couple of for public couple of years for public health and these are health modelling and these are based lastly based injections of this. lastly if we don't agree with well mostly i think all three of us probably agree that we don't really want heavy handed nanny state into attention. but chris, just quickly then i'll ask you, steve, if you were to give a sort of world obesity manifesto of how to get people to not be obese , not be overweight, obese, not be overweight, because by large, it is a bad thing for people, be grossly over weight. what would you suggest that the government should be doing ? exercise more should be doing? exercise more and eat less, you know, and

whatever you find easy or relatively to cut, to abstain from doing that, you know, i love eating cheese , i loving love eating cheese, i loving chocolate. i tend not to do very much of it because if i did, i get far and it's is really a very simple off for people harder for other people i accept and there's some people who have, you know, genetic problems and there's some people who have, ymedication enetic problems and there's some people who have, ymedication and c problems and there's some people who have, ymedication and or)roblems are on medication and or addiction food. i think we are we shouldn't be stigmatising. there's been other thing. we should be stigmatising anyone. well, there go. a bit of an well, there you go. a bit of an education campaign than education campaign rather than stigmatisation tax is stigmatisation or more tax is steve you asking me? yes yes. well i would say to people, there are three things. number one, stop making excuses, because most of them are absolutely trap. number two, start living 80. 20, don't do rigid diets, eat 80. well, 20% of what you fancy. and the third thing i wrote down here was infuse your mind rather than infuse use your mind rather than your stomach when that's out, the shrinks . well, imagine there the shrinks. well, imagine there are lots of people at home this who perhaps have a packet

biscuits next to them, but maybe they should only have one or two. thank you very much indeed. steve miller, presenter former presenter of fat families, head of lifestyle economics at the iea. very much iea. nolan, thank you very much indeed. now, a lot of you have been sending in thoughts on been sending in your thoughts on the been discussing the topics we've been discussing today plan channel today on, cnn plan for channel migrants anyone who migrants says i think anyone who comes here illegally should not citizenship and should be removed well straight to the point that on the boris johnson inquiry greg partygate shouldn't be ignored . it mocked the be ignored. it mocked the population also highlighted population but also highlighted that my opinion, the weren't that in my opinion, the weren't neededin that in my opinion, the weren't needed in the first place because if they were needed, those involved partygate those involved in partygate would for would have headed straight for the that's true. the panic. well, that's true. and that's what webb and that's what emma webb earlier this really earlier saying, that this really highlights how highlights most just how ridiculous rules were at ridiculous the rules were at time. see the time. i don't see the cons comments dave says. khan comments. dave says. mr. khan obviously doesn't a about obviously doesn't a clue about the boat revealing where live calling out the far right in an area with ethnic minorities area with many ethnic minorities area with many ethnic minorities a think if there a bit rich. i think if there were gathering any kind of were a gathering of any kind of people do not agree with people that do not agree with him, will be likewise him, they will be likewise accused, irrespective of

background. be right background. you might be right this he be right there this he might be right there now. you much. now. thank you very much. sending your we're sending in your views. we're moving very different moving on to a very different topic venue which hosted a cabaret style event for parents of young children, has vowed to continue hosting shows despite a growing campaign against them. despite criticism , the cover up despite criticism, the cover up cabaret show run by volt festival will continue after organisers a statement explaining its target and condemning inexcusable threats of violence and against the artists wider lgbt plus community. joining me to discuss this is , political commentator this is, political commentator dominique samuels. he's been looking into this quite a bit. dominique, thank you very much indeed for joining this afternoon on britain . so afternoon on real britain. so what's latest this show , what's the latest this show, which has babies and drag queens going to go ahead . yeah, it's going to go ahead. yeah, it's going to go ahead. yeah, it's going to go ahead. yeah, it's going to go ahead . and instead going to go ahead. and instead of actually taking account for the many para fans and just normal people who can see what's wrong with it they've, instead decided to blame the response on

media harassment and online trolls, they postponed a few of their shows previously they announced because of the backlash and i think rightly so . and i think what's interesting is they've tried to frame this being about homophobia and quite frankly by making sure it talks about quinn as it talks about lgbtq and i would say i think that's pretty homophobic in itself because what we're talking here is highly sexualised themes being targeted children this is a baby cabaret on their instagram . they on their instagram. they referred to it as baby sensory in that target audience for children though 0 to 2 years old. so we know it's at children. why does that need to be associated with gayness , with be associated with gayness, with queerness? there's many gay people many queer if you like. i don't really get that term that would not be comfortable performing virtually naked for children. there are many that wouldn't. so why are we making

this ? i would say transphobia this? i would say transphobia they say presumably that this is all a harmless bit fun. the babies won't really know what's going on. it's all okay , you going on. it's all okay, you know, stop being such a small bigot. what do you say to that ? bigot. what do you say to that? well, i think that's absolute nonsense because children's brains are literally like sponges. i've had child psychologists. i've people that are trained in child safeguarding so they know what they're talking. more than a few weirdos on the internet. they've said that there are real safeguarding concerns here and it would actually be considered grooming that sort of behaviour because they are desensitising children to highly sexualised themes and who is to say that of those children because it's not just babies actually there's pictures on their website again posted by them on facebook of toddlers in nappies that know going on because they absorb it who's to say that one of those kids don't then mimic the that

they've seen in the playground there are real concerns and they can't be brushed under the carpet and i'm sure they would dominique sure they dominique i'm sure they would dispute grooming i do dispute term grooming but i do completely understand where you're coming it seem you're coming from. it does seem rather perverse whole thing. rather perverse the whole thing. i think most people at home will agree with that, too. thank you very tony. that's all very much, tony. that's all we've got time. all not one. but i'm you'll keeping an i'm sure you'll be keeping an eye on it, too, for us. so we know what's going on out there. thank much, indeed. we thank you much, indeed. so we reached volt reached out to the volt festival. organisers the festival. the organisers of the drug in they gave drug show in question. they gave this response some of the criticism they have received. we are of comments social are aware of comments on social media at cab about the media directed at cab about the rave of 2023 volt rave part of the 2023 volt festival programme, cabaret festival programme, the cabaret is with is designed for parents with moments and and moments for babies and a fun and welcoming space parents with welcoming space for parents with . volt festival . young babies volt festival exists to support live performance and talent and is proud platform events that are welcoming and for all with audience safety always a top priority , we stand against the priority, we stand against the inexcusable threats of violence and assault against all programmed our staff and

directed at lgbtq community and are supporting effective artists so that you go. that's what they have to say now to end the show something a little bit different . my team have scoured local newspapers for three fun local stories brighten up your day. this is real britain at three residents of a street in liverpool have been left without post for nearly months after royal suspended deliveries following of its workers being bitten by dog. residents of ashville , the wavertree area of ashville, the wavertree area of the city that the decision has caused them to miss important including cancer results and hospital appointment notification. so there you go of bitten post officer now at two a pregnant cow at a nature reserve in county durham has been rescued by the tyne and wear fire rescue service working the farmer and a local that they were able free the animal from the thick . so this is a good the thick. so this is a good news story i think according to reports was tricky due to reports it was a tricky due to the pregnancy . but after 3 the cows pregnancy. but after 3 hours, she and her unborn or at

least without harm, it's not lovely. local news. and lastly , lovely. local news. and lastly, number one, animal rebellion campaigners occupied the egg isle of a sainsbury's in nottingham three individuals from the climate animal group peacefully protest protested in the shop and held placards for the shop and held placards for the uk to adopt a safer and sustainable plant based food system free from animal suffering climate breakdown and food shortages . sainsbury's was food shortages. sainsbury's was targeted as the group claimed they sell more than 50% of rspca assured in the uk . so these are assured in the uk. so these are the kind of stories that don't make it to the national press. there are often, but they are in all local newspapers. so if you want to support local news please do send in your stories next week. send them to on gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. there are so many wonderful stories out there , a wonderful stories out there, a lot of them quite humorous. and there's paper. do let there's local paper. so do let me you have, of course, me know. you have, of course, watching with me. watching real britain with me. emily you very much emily carver thank you very much indeed your company. indeed for your company. this afternoon. on every afternoon. the show is on every at 2 pm, so please do tune in

next week. but for now i'll leave you the weather. leave you with the weather. hello there , i'm craig stone. hello there, i'm craig stone. here's the latest forecast from the office. well, as go the met office. well, as we go for the few days, although for the next few days, although this weekend will be rather and dry, certainly dry, next week is certainly turning a good deal for turning a good deal colder for the risk of some stay for some of us though moment we of us though at the moment we still area of high still got this area of high pressure in charge across pressure firmly in charge across the this cold front the country. this cold front will be focus some will just be focus of some showers eastern and showers across some eastern and northern the uk. but northern parts of the uk. but for of us, as we end for most of us, as we end saturday, going to be dry , saturday, it's going to be dry, rather cloudy with the best of any clear skies up across western scotland later on in the night. we will start to see some wintry showers affecting very far scotland . but for far north of scotland. but for many that no real problems with temperatures no lower than around 3 to 4 degrees for a lot the country. so sunday england and wales a very similar to saturday plenty of cloud around risk of some showers across eastern parts of the country for scotland and, northern ireland. i'm hopeful we will see a little bit more in the way of brightness compared to saturday,

but also the risk of some showers. these showers once showers. and these showers once again wintry, especially again will be wintry, especially across temperatures across high ground temperatures on sunday at around 8 to 9 degrees. but factor in the it will still be feeling pretty cold if you are out and about into sunday evening . across the into sunday evening. across the north, an increase in risk of some showers, especially across scotland where these will turn increasingly sleet and snow even at lower levels with risk of some ice to so do take some extra care if are out and about early on monday could just see some disruption courtesy of that snow further south. a colder night than saturday night, maybe a touch of frost in few spots where we do see skies remain clearest . and then as we go into clearest. and then as we go into monday tuesday and wednesday, it turns even colder still across the uk , risk of some snow, the uk, risk of some snow, chiefly across the high ground at first. but as go into the middle of the week, we even see some snow moving into the south too. but you can keep an eye on all the information through the warnings on the met office

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