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behaviour in an attempt to manage the crisis and save his career . hancock initially wanted career. hancock initially wanted to play . no rules were broken to play. no rules were broken before deciding to apologise for breaking lockdown guidance. almost two days later, he resigned . boris johnson is resigned. boris johnson is facing fresh pressure after a report suggests breaches of covid rules in downing would have been obvious to him at the time. the commons privileges committee investigating his conduct during partygate believe the former prime minister may have misled parliament at least four times. mr. johnson . it was four times. mr. johnson. it was his belief all guidance had been followed. former special adviser to michael gove, charlie told us partygate still a distraction for the government . he should be for the government. he should be focusing on what really .7 this is focusing on what really? this is why on the back of the inquiry that published that big report yesterday on the back of messages that we're seeing leaked to the telegraph that involved the former health secretary and the appointment of sue gray to the labour party as chief of staff. to you, sir keir

starmer. i think why labour starmer. i think is why labour be happy for the country to . be be happy for the country to. be talking about partygate again because it is a distraction from allowing the government to tell the public and to deliver on what really matters to people. and that's education in the health service. it's stopping the small boats, it's getting the small boats, it's getting the economy back on track on the subject of small boats, the government's expected to announce new next week to announce new laws next week to crack on those boats crossing channel. it's thought the new legislation will disallowing asylum claims from those who travel to the uk small boats as well as banning migrants from returning once removed . the returning once removed. the prime minister has vowed to stop boats as one of his five priorities . charity uk boats as one of his five priorities. charity uk has boats as one of his five priorities . charity uk has urged priorities. charity uk has urged the government to step , as it the government to step, as it says, thousands of elderly have died as a result of not receiving proper care . figures receiving proper care. figures from nhs england almost 29,000 request seats for people aged five and above to be given

support in 2021. the year 2021 to 22. they were in fact recorded as having died without any services being provided. the charity says the figures amount to over 500 deaths per week. the health department says it's providing to seven and a half billion pounds of over the next two years to support adult social ukrainian forces defending . bakhmut the eastern defending. bakhmut the eastern city are facing further pressure from russia with intense fighting in and around bakhmut. the ministry of defence says resupply routes out of the town are increasingly limited, with two key bridges in bakhmut destroyed over the last 36 hours. the mod says whilst ukraine's defences the area the russian alongside the wagner group of mercenary use have made further advances into the city's northern suburbs suburbs and the uk is in for a cold snap next week, with temperatures expected to below freezing monday and tuesday will see lows of minus three scotland and minus two in

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return to another. good afternoon. this is tv news , tv online and on digital radio . fast approaching 6 minutes after 4:00. i'm not a choir. is this what we've got to look forward to from our politicians 7 forward to from our politicians ? i find unacceptable , though, ? i find unacceptable, though, as some of those who've got the gist of objections, join hands with some of those outside who are part of a far right group, who are . some of those ? some of who are. some of those? some of those some of those outside outside . some of those. some of outside. some of those. some of those. let's be frank . let's those. let's be frank. let's call let's call a spade a spade. some of those outside are part of the far some some are deniers , some are vaccine deniers and some are tories. oh oh, yes.

sadiq khan calling people the pubuc sadiq khan calling people the public that he says far for disagreeing with his ulez plans . the contempt with which he holds public extraordinary and decisions like this don't scare starmer it has, in my view, ill judged, appointed whose words back in the covid days was seen as impartial to top job in the labour party , and as the labour party, and as the politicians from all sides punished amongst themselves to lay blame for the wrongdoings of the pandemic , many putting it the pandemic, many putting it firmly with , boris, they appear firmly with, boris, they appear to forgotten that it was in fact civil servants who attended these rule breaking gatherings. civil servants who led us to believe that they are impartial until the likes of sue gray , who until the likes of sue gray, who is also in charge of ethics , is also in charge of ethics, revealed her allegiance. shocking and instead of leaving like partygate, i believe , it like partygate, i believe, it belongs with public interest only when the results are known . and instead of focusing on the cost of energy, the food shortages, channel crossings , shortages, channel crossings, the contents of ricci's deal with the perceived underlying cat even sorry excuse me

sophisticated eyes just say, you know. oh, yes , and the know. oh, yes, and the self—induced pause poverty of net zero. which reminds us that neither party has a good enough solution. the political class is aided by the established media. james and journalist isabel oakeshott , who has never made oakeshott, who has never made a secret of her dislike of lockdowns, want to remind us of just how angry we should be over contempt with which the politicians , us, the general politicians, us, the general pubucin politicians, us, the general public in and treat this as though it a new discovery . well though it a new discovery. well i've got news for you to all politicians. the public are not stupid we are sick of this race to the bottom and absence of coherent policies is getting extreme tedious every time there appears to be some sort of progress we all get dragged back schoolyard bullying and childish party politics and fed up of listening to whether boris knowingly misled the house. i'm bored of it . knowingly misled the house. i'm bored of it. how can keir starmer believe he holds it any more like ground after the lies it was proven he told surrounding big eight. angela wasn't then she was. i've met

angela . you'll know she's there. angela. you'll know she's there. she's a force nature. and the one about a school impromptu gathering . and then they proved gathering. and then they proved otherwise . how he was cleared is otherwise. how he was cleared is beyond me . and now poaching the beyond me. and now poaching the inquiry . 50 shades of grey. soon inquiry. 50 shades of grey. soon his son is an active labour party. it's also been that the lawyer appointed to give legal advice called labour and ps who backed brexit mugs and accused the stories of serving up. and according to the daily, he posted an online message branded bofis posted an online message branded boris johnson a reckless, dangerous and in his post stated , if you trust johnson, you're a mug . if this is the , if you trust johnson, you're a mug. if this is the case why was a clear remains barrister given such a politically sensitive post. as interesting as all this is should not in my view it should not in my view hogged the spotlight. why is diesel so expensive ? what are ofgem doing? expensive? what are ofgem doing? what water companies? somewhere in the distraction was a story about drought. in the distraction was a story about drought . which is no doubt about drought. which is no doubt largely caused by leakages and

lack of investment. surely our very light source is more . but i very light source is more. but i know . let's talk about sue gray. know. let's talk about sue gray. what's up, etc? yes i get that people lost loved ones and the rules were a disgrace. but it's nothing that we didn't already know. by all means, punish those who have direct with malpractice. but can we please focus on what's important? the party is now over. i was going to say and so is my voice. right before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. the great british debate hour. i'm asking all hancock to leak in the all matt hancock to leak in the pubuc all matt hancock to leak in the public do care ? public interest. do you care? from to test residents from failing to test residents dunng from failing to test residents during pandemic to not during the pandemic to not scrambling to save his career after , the fire was exposed. and after, the fire was exposed. and today the revelation that he was highly of recently over highly critical of recently over 100,000 leaked whatsapp messages have highlighted issues with the way the government handled the pandemic. but do you care then ? pandemic. but do you care then? 450 as royal round up prince

former flame lady victoria v and royal biographer andrew lemon will be live in the studio to give all the latest from the palace walls. king charles has asked the duke duchess of asked the duke and duchess of sussex frogmore their sussex to vacate frogmore their residence the uk amid rumours residence in the uk amid rumours that property was offered to that the property was offered to the prince the disgraced prince andrew. then tuned . five this then stay tuned. five this week's difficult conversation . week's difficult conversation. i'll speaking to a woman i'll be speaking to a woman who survived violent attack by her partner, but her six year old son took life son tragically took his own life after the that's coming after the attack. that's coming up the next hour. as ever . up in the next hour. as ever. tell you think of tell me what you think of everything discussing. everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get me at. gb news. right. let's get started as well . come again to started as well. come again to my panel broadcast wing columnist lizzie cundy, and also of momentum and former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider. small times . james schneider. small times. james i'll start you, lizzie, so you can warm up. lizzie what do you

think? i'm bored hearing this, partygate. i don't want us go into that cycle. the vortex of nothingness. i don't want to hear about partygate. i'm partygate partygate. that's what kate kept saying, didn't kate starmer kept saying, didn't he? got so sick it and i'm he? i got so sick it and i'm sick of it now and it's just case thomas doing this. and i think the reason why he's he's got sue gray on board is to distract distract from allowing the government to deal with the real issues that are going the high cost of living educate asian immigration because he knows partygate is going to make everyone it all and bring the down. me what i? don't want to think about it anymore. i'm sick of about it and i think many people are as well. it's a response to james. well, i agree that most of what gets spoken in westminster most of what get spoke in the media has very little to do with people's real lives. and the things that we should be talking should actually be talking about. main what about. so the main of what you're saying, actually agree you're saying, i actually agree with should focussed with think we should be focussed should on the fact that should focus on the fact that this government has been in now for what 13 years. well over

300,000 people died through excess deaths linked to their policies. we've got the biggest fall in standard of living in the history of the uk . there's a the history of the uk. there's a whole litany of problems, some which you e read out about our rivers, our water. these things, of course, should be focus and westminster media don't really to talk about those things because they talk about those things only though you have to have solutions. and currently neither two parties have neither the two parties have this . the government this idea. the government should just these . they just be focusing on these. they don't have any policies to deal with any stuff. and keir with any of stuff. and keir starmer have any starmer doesn't have any policies with of policies to deal with any of that stuff. don't really that stuff. so they don't really want talk about it. the want to talk about it. and the reason when the media loves to talk partygate and this of talk partygate and this kind of bubbly nonsense is because people work in in politics, people who work in in politics, the in media, in politics they don't know about things the thing that they do know about if they've got the phone of someone else who works in politics. so they're very good at telling you this has done this

this personality has done this and like and this person doesn't like this basically this person but basically nothing about cost of living, austerity, housing much . any of austerity, housing much. any of your comments on austerity ? i your comments on austerity? i mean, the labour party did had a very, very bad situation to the conservative. let's, let's, let's be frank, but yeah i think so. yeah. because john brown something that gordon brown didn't say that and he said what was words. well you're thinking about liam who was wrong about liam byrne who was wrong who did say there's no money left. i still think. but i mean i'm i'm not you i'm not a huge defender of new labour either. you won't be surprised to hear. but austerity was of course completely counterproductive . i completely counterproductive. i saying it was bad for the economy , both a huge handouts to economy, both a huge handouts to two big businesses, massive tax for incorporation tax and the result was the economy didn't didn't living standards fell and the public services are cut. so now you look at where people now where most people now in the country after 13 years your pay is lower than it was a median

terms and then in 2005 and the pubuc terms and then in 2005 and the public services are worse. what about the whole about you . all about the whole about you. all right. so now you want to talk about this case starmer wanting sue gray. what are the reasons? because want to? because he knows this is going spark a massive thing and this goes back what i'm saying to partygate. but what he's done is shot himself in the foot. he's so stupid because then i thought he was . because what stupid because then i thought he was. because what he's stupid because then i thought he was . because what he's done stupid because then i thought he was. because what he's done is shot himself in the foot. because everyone's thinking now this know, this is this is not you know, this is biased supposed be biased. she's supposed to be impartial. she's supposed be impartial. she's supposed to be neutral. civil neutral. that's what civil servants supposed be. she servants are supposed to be. she certainly isn't . and agree, certainly isn't. and i agree, which might be reasonable. which i might be reasonable. apparently, may . well, apparently, she she may. well, i'd say it's quite difficult for her do that because it seems her to do that because it seems her to do that because it seems her son is into the labour party which that wouldn't say. but then all of a sudden the best adviser is also somebody who writes the tories by all accounts, reports in accounts, the reports in the different papers mirror different papers like the mirror and the daily mail reported and also the daily mail reported , comments that are , that the comments that are apparently on

apparently made on things on twitter. it just seems twitter. yeah. so it just seems that, know, stacked that, you know, this was stacked . mean , exactly. . boris johnson i mean, exactly. and i'm sick of it and i'm sorry, i smell a rat here. i really do smell a rat. and jacob rees—mogg said something that i totally agree with. i be an inquiry so on their inquiry into so on their relationship . the one that i you relationship. the one that i you like about it but on the other hand you want to have another inquiry into the inquiry. no, no, no. because not fair. because. but my point about the inquiry so that you can do that. but doesn't take the highlight of press inquiries. you of all the press inquiries. you do i do want to do these things but i do want to focus on it so i want to hear about want to hear the about it i want to hear the results of partygate inquiries are done. you can tell me the results, meantime results, but in the meantime i want you to deal with the cost of living. i want you to deal with migrant crisis with the migrant crisis together. it's together. i want to stop. it's not going happen. not going to happen. unfortunately, i agree with you. it's not going happen because it's not going to happen because it's interests of the it's not in the interests of the editors of newspapers. keir starmer really the government starmer or really the government to any particular to focus on the any particular aspect of the crisis, it is in the government's interest

because it's made the is that we need to government will bring the tories down. keir starmer wants talking bringing their all together again because it's not it's a distraction from what is really going on in this country the real issues. yeah i just think also if you focus on the real issues it looks for the government, its record much worse boris johnson had worse than boris johnson had a few and then didn't few parties and then didn't tell the about in the truth about it in parliament. that is really not very deal in comparison to very big deal in comparison to the over 300,000 people access excess deaths from austerity. that's a real thing that really matters. yeah should he like it? did he lie did he go to parties? we should have done. was he making rules and then not following them? yes well, that's bad. but i'm saying if to bad. but i'm saying if want to focus real issues that focus on the real issues that would be so much worse for the government could do all government could do that on all governments. to say this governments. i have to say this government, tory is really totally let many down. totally let so many of us down. but tony blair. i mean but look at tony blair. i mean he took us to war in a lot of what about through all the governments of previous you know labour haven't been too good

either but these this is partygate starmer . he's just either but these this is partygate starmer. he's just a distraction. this is what it wants. it's what he's doing. but he shot himself in the foot. because now no one is believing this inquiry because it's totally true. what you just that he the on the one hand it's how he's going to win the because he's going to win the because he's going to bring the tories down and because shot himself down and because he shot himself in by bringing grey in the foot by bringing in grey because gray is supposed to because sue gray is supposed to because sue gray is supposed to be impartial and it's now making everyone question that the inquiry well the other side of it is in a way he's shot himself in the foot but then he kind of wants to distract from the fact that he has no policy. so it's fine. and then the tory party also to distract the fact that they have any real they don't have any real policies, they're not doing anything either. i'm anything either. and what i'm saying is we've actually had enough like to. enough of i would like them to. yeah your inquiries, yeah okay. do your inquiries, put one side where put them one side where they belong, but don't want the media to on anymore. to be focusing on this anymore. i've had enough, you know like the debate, we will discuss the next debate, we will discuss the next debate, we will discuss the messages. the the whatsapp messages. by the way. should way. yeah, you should have a look some of you . yeah yeah,

look at some of you. yeah yeah, it just goes i don't know what we can tell you . oh well, we can tell you. oh well, listen, stay tuned. you're with me. not okay. this is gb news on onune me. not okay. this is gb news on online and on digital radio. after the break, it's time for our great british this hour. i'm asking all matt hancock to leak messages in the public interest. over 100,000 leaked whatsapp messages have revealed the way the former health secretary landed of the pandemic. but do we have a right to know his private thoughts. i don't know whether i want to at five it's this fix difficult conversation. i'll be speaking to an absolutely inspirational woman who survived a violent attack by her partner and also lost her 16 year old son who tragically took his life after the attack . as his life after the attack. as even his life after the attack. as ever, i'd love to hear your thoughts and everything. we're discussing. you can email gb views at news .uk or tell me views at gb news .uk or tell me what you think you also tweet at gb i've got a pin up right gb news. i've got a pin up right now asking matt hancock to leak

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good afternoon . fast approaching good afternoon. fast approaching 24 minutes after 4:00. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm a square . digital radio. i'm a square. now, before the break, we're discussing all the drama behind partygate partygate body . good. partygate partygate body. good. let's have a look at what you've been. it says got a love you nana monologues are always say true, but it is a point thank you so much. at least it says all enough of this partygate business. there are more pressing matters. lynn said well said that you speak said not get in that you speak with majority people with the majority of the people up work. thank you . up the good work. thank you. thank you. right now it's time for our great british debate this and asking this hour. and i'm asking our matt hancock leaked messages matt hancock to leaked messages in interest now at in the public interest now at least 100,000 messages sent between the former health secretary matt hancock and

government figures during the height of the coronavirus pandemic have been made public . pandemic have been made public. now, from failing to testify , now, from failing to testify, residents from entering care homes to. those dreaded also called lockdowns . although some called lockdowns. although some people quite enjoyed. i know there's a couple of them at the beginning i didn't mind no more of his messages have been leaked specifically the 41 hour scramble to save his career after his affair was exposed . after his affair was exposed. the press. was also highly the press. he was also highly critical. the current prime minister, rishi sunak , and now minister, rishi sunak, and now the back it matt the spotlight is back on it matt hancock. these messages hancock. so do these messages your opinion of him or do you think that we have the right to know it's a great debate this asking leaked messages asking all the leaked messages in the interest so me to in the public interest so me to discuss this former labour adviser's comment. maguire former conservative minister mp and of 20 lewis perry and and former of 20 lewis perry and communications officer of the iea, reem ebrahim . right. want iea, reem ebrahim. right. want to start immediately you what do you think and do we need to know all this relevant . well what all this relevant. well what appals me is the way that it

came into the public domain . i came into the public domain. i mean it was given freely to somebody who was cooperating with him on a book and that person decided to make them public. now now, most of the controversies that are there. for example, care homes. we already know anyway . and i don't already know anyway. and i don't think we needed to his opinion of rishi sunak, i think most of us could have deduced that . but us could have deduced that. but to get all this through what was effectively a series of private exchanges is, is my mind is just plain dishonourable mean. we you know, when i say we shouldn't know, when i say we shouldn't know, i mean i want it all hush hush. i mean, i don't want it exposed this way. hmm let's go to you , perry . yeah, i must say, to you, perry. yeah, i must say, i do agree them with that. the way that these messages came out was. yeah it was a little bit naughty of , was. yeah it was a little bit naughty of, isabel was. yeah it was a little bit naughty of , isabel oakeshott, to naughty of, isabel oakeshott, to do that. obviously is a great degree of trust between biographer and the subject or

autobiography subject . but autobiography subject. but i think that they are in the pubuc.i think that they are in the public. i really do . i mean we public. i really do. i mean we now know that this nothing to do with science and everything to do with politics and i think the majority of people are actually concerned about the weight of the state terms of their impact. and in terms of their strength and what they're able do that they're able to take people's freedoms and liberties like that based on science, but actually based on science, but actually based on science, but actually based on on political expediency . and i think that's the scary thing. let's call it maguire . i thing. let's call it maguire. i mean there definitely in the pubuc mean there definitely in the public interest because i think we have a right to know exactly what was going on at the when we were when we were locked down when we were being given incredible rules. so incredible rules. what's so incredible rules. what's so incredible about today's revelation and i mean the others are bad enough is that somehow matt hancock thought that having an affair with with or with a

woman that he had hired some expelled taxpayers. we were for his lover to be and to be an anonymous active directed but would have helped he thought that was okay while masses and masses of people could not see their girlfriends and boyfriends right well absolutely a obeying the law it was a more it absolutely is that for them was one law for them and another for us maybe i didn't , i didn't us maybe i didn't, i didn't actually keep the rules . what do actually keep the rules. what do you think ? i didn't. i didn't you think? i didn't. i didn't know anything . can you give us know anything. can you give us capital? i get everything possible . listen to. i mean. possible. listen to. i mean. well i was a student at the time of lockdown, i'll be completely honest, until i can control the rules, because it's impossible to do so. i think that's what we saw. matt hancock but look, we have a right know what have a right to know what happened we're supposed know happened and we're supposed know through the £85 million taxpayer funded covid that we're supposed

to have the results of at some point we didn't. we didn't were probably the results. after all, these people are no in peace anyway, so they'll be a complete waste of each £5 million of taxpayer money and look, i think that we don't have a right to matt hancock to whatsapp messages . i matt hancock to whatsapp messages. i don't think that is in the public's interest. we haven't really learned anything new from text messages . we new from these text messages. we know that he was advised in different ways. every government minister chose minister is he chose a particular way , a way forward particular way, a way forward down with the with the care homes. he chose particular way forward or has different opinions on the teachers unions . but we didn't necessarily learn anything new. so i think it's a complete breach of his own privacy . and we have own privacy. and whilst we have a right to know what those decisions were when, they took our away for so, so our freedoms away for so, so long don't necessarily have a right to his whatsapp. well then look as you said, the inquiry costs millions and the inquiry is not the thing revealed the whatsapp messages and they won't know well well that's the thing so it's like a do you think that

this whole sort of inquiry into covid is actually valid for money for the taxpayer ? well, i money for the taxpayer? well, i think need it an inquiry into think we need it an inquiry into covid. i don't know that. we need all this nonsense now over. the messages, mean, the text messages, i mean, we had an know he broke had an affair, know he broke through. know all these through. we know all these things. new under the things. nothing new under the sun and these whatsapp messages . think in the cold . but i do think in the cold light of day we need to at whether we actually ever have had and i sent this at times it's not the wisdom of hindsight universal lockdowns . i mean, it's not the wisdom of hindsight universal lockdowns. i mean, i maintained from the start that we should lockdown the seriously vulnerable and we should tell everybody else it was their duty to keep the economy going. it was a nonsense to disrupt young people's education in the way that it was disrupted when they were the least likely to suffer from covid. and we should have all been treated as grown ups, and we should have been told your duty is, is, is to try and avoid spreading covid but not minutely prescribes ways that we should do that and i mean i'm of

those who use my own judgement throughout and i used it very carefully i didn't just obey the rule because i wanted to be bolshie and i didn't stick to them because i wanted to do everything that's fine. i'm i must say i knew my judgement and i couldn't agree more . but we i couldn't agree more. but we have learnt some things from the whatsapp messages for example. we learnt that the main reason they masked our children , which they masked our children, which is that had children back so much in terms of their academic and personal and emotional and psychological development . and psychological development. and that's just if that was so as not to cause a row with nicholas sturgeon, i mean that's come in the whatsapp messages it's come in the whatsapp messages that even the scientists and boris signed to matt hancock . you signed to matt hancock. you know, people had a choice between a tiny percentage chance of dying. and then i'm talking about the elderly or the economy or being able to hug loved ones that they would have gone for,

you know, this very small . so it you know, this very small. so it has come that as much as don't think the way that it did come out is correct, i think it was a bit duplicitous of her to do it the way she did. we have a lot from these texts, but i think it's i got about 30 seconds. i think it shows actually the people at the top were holding rest of us in contempt. and i and they i mean, i don't think anybody obeyed all the rules . i anybody obeyed all the rules. i caught covid at my mother's funeral , but caught covid at my mother's funeral, but i. i do think it's really important that that we remember that they they put in rules that don't obey while they put in rules that were ridiculous and actually, i think we're in to obey scotland . thank we're in to obey scotland. thank you very much for joining me we're in to obey scotland. thank you very much forjoining me. you very much for joining me. lois parry, nice to talk to you and welcome. and also read abraham . thanks so thank abraham. thanks so much. thank you much . this is it is you so much. this is edge. it is on online , on digital radio. on tv, online, on digital radio. in statement , mr. hancock said in a statement, mr. hancock said this i am hugely, hugely disappointed gutted and sad at

the massive of a mighty that's not, in our view , disappointed not, in our view, disappointed and sad at the massive betrayal and sad at the massive betrayal and breach of trust by isabel oakeshott . isabel oakeshott i am oakeshott. isabel oakeshott i am also sorry for the impact on the very many people, political colleagues , civil servants and colleagues, civil servants and friends who worked hard with me to get through the pandemic and save lives . there's absolutely save lives. there's absolutely no public interest case for this huge breach. all the materials for the book have already been made to inquiry, which made available to inquiry, which is the right and place for everything be considered everything to be considered properly right lessons properly and the right lessons to learned. we have seen to be learned. as we have seen releasing them this gives releasing them in this way gives a partial biased account to suit an anti—lockdown agenda . well, an anti—lockdown agenda. well, you're me on that. and of course this is gb news on tv, online and on digital right after the break. we'll continue with great british debate this hour. i'm asking , matt hancock to leak asking, oh, matt hancock to leak messages the interest. you'll messages in the interest. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel of broadcaster columnist lizzie broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. found cundy. i don't think i found a and to jeremy

and former adviser to jeremy corbyn. but first, let's get the latest news headlines . latest news headlines. it's 4:32. i'm out. armstrong the gb newsroom new messages involving . the former health involving. the former health secretary matt hancock show him reacting to footage of him and his colleague gina, colin angelo caught embracing during lockdown. the leaked whatsapp messages reading how bad are the photos were sent by matt hancock hours after he discovered pictures of him breaching social distancing rules have been published . the messages also published. the messages also show him covid guidance in place at time and how he should respond to the media as he scrambled to try and save career. the correspondence is among more than 100,000 messages obtained by the daily telegraph .bons obtained by the daily telegraph . borisjohnson obtained by the daily telegraph . boris johnson may be a fight to save his political career following the findings of a report into partygate. the commons privileges investigating his conduct say there's significant new evidence that

johnson misled mps over parties on several occasions and it would have been obvious that to him and his colleagues that they were breaking the rules. mr. johnson says it was his belief or guidance had been followed . or guidance had been followed. the government is expected to announce new laws next week to crack down on small boats crossing the channel it's thought the new legislation would involve disallowing asylum claims from those who to travel the uk on small boats as well as banning migrants from returning once removed . the prime once removed. the prime minister's vow to stop the boats . one of his five priorities and the holy oil used to anoint the king during. his coronation in may will vegan friendly. it has been made with olives and scented with and cinnamon with animal ingredients. it's also been made sacred in a ceremony in jerusalem lamb. the anointing of the new monarch take place at westminster abbey on may the sixth, along with a coronation ceremony during which the queen will be crowned . tv online on will be crowned. tv online on

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good afternoon . fast approaching good afternoon. fast approaching 39 minutes after 4:00. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm not a queen. now it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking all matt hancock to leak messages in the public interest. now, at least a hundred things messages between . the former health secretary and figures during the and senior figures during the height the coronavirus have height of the coronavirus have been public , courtesy of

been made public, courtesy of isabel oakeshott and now more of his messages have been revealed, specifically the 41 hour scramble to save career after his affair exposed. now the spotlight on matt hancock once again. do these messages think affect your opinion of him? was it so low that it couldn't have sunk lower? or perhaps you didn't really care in the first instance? was we wrong to scrutinise the game after this is going on years ago? so for the great british debate hour, i'm asking, oh, matt hancock leaked messages in the public interest. let's see what my panel of that. joining me, broadcaster columnist cundy, broadcaster and columnist cundy, co—founder momentum , former co—founder of momentum, former adviser to jeremy corbyn, james schneider . james you said he schneider. james you said he said i can say that, james. what do think then this is. do we get is it in our interests to know about this. definitely. the stuff about care, homes, government contracts and that's totally in the public and that's extremely good that that's out there. i don't care about stuff to do with relationship with

former aides and the you know how he to save his career or whatever not particularly interested in that that stuff. and also his proximity to george and getting osborne to put what he wanted on the front page of , he wanted on the front page of, the evening standard. that is definitely public interest. it allows people to see what people are doing on their behalf, people in power and. that is a good thing. what do you think? well, it's like dumber and dumber when you just don't think the hang call could get any more . i mean, really handy. all your whatsapp messages over to a journalist. oh, hello . well, she journalist. oh, hello. well, she did sign an nda. she but it was a bog standard one that wasn't worth the paper. it was written on. apparently, according to isabel and literally, i really know many journalists who would have all of that information that would just say, okay, i'll keep it to myself. i mean , oh my keep it to myself. i mean, oh my word, how stupid is this, man? i'm really . word, how stupid is this, man? i'm really. matt word, how stupid is this, man? i'm really . matt hancock. word, how stupid is this, man? i'm really. matt hancock. i'm absolutely. but you know what? i

do think it's in the public interest. i think it's in the pubuc interest. i think it's in the public interest for us to know quite how stupid is this? well, it is. it is. and he was comforting us. i mean, he was controlling through the pandemic. i mean, i remember walking hampstead walking through hampstead heath with on a bench with a friend sitting on a bench and the covered cops and and the covered cops came and told was like, do sit on told us. i was like, do sit on the bench. but they rise above it. he said, go in the hall, and if you look at the messages which absolutely and it does which are absolutely and it does pull curtain on what goes on pull the curtain on what goes on with the mp . throughout all of with the mp. throughout all of this and i do think it's in the pubuc this and i do think it's in the public interest as we just heard look what happened education look what happened education look what happened education look what happened. but of all people isabel oakeshott and i mean that is what makes it even more isabel oakeshott has a record of working with somebody and then later working against them so it really shouldn't be a huge surprise. let's say two months ago or three months ago when if it was she was there with matt hancock at the launch of the book. here we are smiling photos taken together and he's

absolutely knifing . there's absolutely knifing. there's a track record because vicky pryce, who was chris hughton's husband, she she worked with her. and then there was and then that was part of the story of vicky pryce ended up in prison and.then vicky pryce ended up in prison and. then also she did the bad boys of brexit. and that was something with arron banks and the former ambassador to the us and some of that ended in the press as well. so you think , am press as well. so you think, am i going to give all of my to a journalist? no do that. i'm only then going to give it to someone who with a track record of doing sort of thing who disagrees with my basic, honest, utterly would cut the snake always buys how stupid are you, matt? i mean, unbelievable . but he's pulling unbelievable. but he's pulling everyone down with the only one that has come out of kind of good out. this is boris johnson, who is actually, you know, saying, do we have to do these lockdowns ? i was questioning it.

lockdowns? i was questioning it. if look through that. what if you look through that. what bofis if you look through that. what boris he didn't boris also said that he didn't think he was breaking think that he was breaking the rules, though, because he wasn't really sure what the rules were. in suppose i suspect in a way he i suppose i suspect that it is a bit that was it is a bit embarrassing. prime minister even and i think it is even did it and i think it is because remember the rule of six, you have six people six, you can have six people from households from different households meeting you at pub but meeting you at the pub then but then come back then those six people come back into then you into your and then but then you have to have then you know , have to have then you know, remember the one the one where somebody could bring you drink with a mask and everything when it came for the money. yeah it was all. no, the that is that stuff is all about very that was a little difficult to follow. so, but then why you set up the rules like that and he is that he was the prime minister and hancock was the health secretary, they all for the rules of making and rules of making rules and breaking them. sadly matt breaking them. and sadly matt hancock, you didn't like hancock, i know you didn't like europe bothered about him in the clink . yeah, i am because i was clink. yeah, i am because i was an i wasn't allowed to do that. we we would none we were told we would but none of clearly knew the rules. of them clearly knew the rules.

and sensible like or i, and if sensible like you or i, if you broke the ones that were obviously stupid, like, for example to, support people, you can have people in support people. my support bubble was massive. i'm going go i'm massive. yeah, i'm going go i'm going to go back your opening going to go back to your opening because with it and say because i really with it and say the thing that we should be focusing again is not the rules. it's not these complex data things of who was exactly doing what what but the what at what time, but the key things we already things which we already knew basically more now basically and we know more now from funny is what steps from the funny is what steps care were left. unbelievably people weren't tested . and people weren't tested. and despite that being the medical advice, we knew that something should. but i'm saying we should focus on because deliberate government policy led to the avoidable of tens of thousands of people , which is sorry of people, which is sorry there's that which we focus on. that's something that we should learn because we should like there might another public health we're just saying health and we're just saying let's is let's to be like this is nonsense so you can listen to people we know we need to learn is be by an is not be governed by an egotistical plonker but but the problem is we don't realise they

are they prove they are that until they prove they are that until they prove they are . it's only when these two are. it's only when these two i think can expose that. we realise the is realise that the bottom is whilst they're into whilst they're pushing into plain we keep looking plain sight. so we keep looking something already something that we mostly already know , things like rishi sunak know, things like rishi sunak still sort of underline still with us sort of underline somebody going the detail. somebody going to the detail. now to of the now i want to part of the detail, you know , are they detail, you know, what are they going regard to the going to do with regard to the tunnel the migrants tunnel and the migrants crossing? would to keep crossing? i would like to keep focussed on you know, what focussed on that. you know, what about the fact that this company so finished doing so i'm not finished doing i haven't actually really paid much wouldn't much of the tax cycle wouldn't full that's what i want full tax that's what i want to talk about the real estate issues what its actual issues what are its actual policies? not talking policies? they're not talking about book at all. it doesn't always the fence. don't always sit on the fence. don't know real policies, do we. know his real policies, do we. i'm sorry. don't. and i'm really sorry. we don't. and i'm really sorry. we don't. and i think this is all playing i just think this is all playing his hands because this what his hands because this is what he wants distraction from he he wants a distraction from the are going on. the real that are going on. he wants this. it will bring down the i do that things the tories. i do that things like the illegal contracts. matt hancock to be an issue hancock was found to be an issue in contracts against the law and they there was no real they you know, there was no real issue was taken up with them. we already know that the opposition

really it at all. some really go over it at all. some said resign. the said he shouldn't resign. the media really go for him. said he shouldn't resign. the me(not really go for him. said he shouldn't resign. the me(not sayingeally go for him. said he shouldn't resign. the me(not saying this go for him. said he shouldn't resign. the me(not saying this is» for him. said he shouldn't resign. the me(not saying this is newhim. i'm not saying this is new because of the what sense, but if we're going be looking at this what went this period of, what went terribly wrong because. we are living aftermath now. living in the aftermath of now. you we have handed you know, should we have handed out £700 billion to out basically £700 billion to two rich people? no, we probably . and should the bank of england, the duncans to be saying the way it did a former bank governor bank of england says no, i would say not because of how much it increased wealth inequality. it was a bad policy these things that we should these are things that we should talk . yeah all feels like talk. yeah but it all feels like they're all in cahoots. that's what it feels so the more what it feels like. so the more you read it, irrespective of what they're are all what party they're in, are all vested all over. and vested interests all over. and the is, go away. the lesson is, don't go away. you what's up messages to isabel. okay. anyway, right. there's in there's nothing without you in your welcome. your visits welcome. a great british your british voice is your opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and us what you think about and tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing . the topics we're discussing. i've got today. let's start i've got four today. let's start with harris bristol. with lee harris from bristol. lee think? what do lee what do you think? what do you ? name something you think? oh, name something like lisa. you usually not. she

thought the journalistic ethics techniques are false . i can name techniques are false. i can name myself back . it's just something myself back. it's just something to tone it down. your computer , to tone it down. your computer, turn it down. i'm not sure it's me. actually, i haven't any sound on. it's good. it's good. now okay. go for it. yeah, good. okay initially, initially thought it was a bang out of order from a journalist ethics point of view. but after some of the, you know, some of the messages his extreme glee hard not to view them in the public interest. so on balance and irrespective of her personal motives i think isabel oakeshott right. | motives i think isabel oakeshott right. i think something this magnitude needs is much is possible and i want and hope these whatsapp messages directly influence the inquiry and help explain why they made the decisions they did without spin. but it does is the company being heavily influenced by public opinion and quite a bit of dodgy

modelling and boris was desperate not to lock us down, unlike hancock, who comes out of this debacle even worse than he already did. you know, this is why i believe it's in the public interest. but you know, seeing it play out on whatsapp, it makes even angry now makes me even more angry now that the majority of msm were constantly for harder longer lockdown ends and restrictions which had impact on the decision making . yeah, they were making. yeah, they were absolutely no rational questions being asked by the media and those on the sidelines that day were called lockdown deniers and covid sceptics. you know, it's a diabolical situation from start to well agree with that, to finish. well agree with that, right? let's go to balme. he's sorry in watford. david are your thoughts . david parties should thoughts. david parties should most of the slasher of a picnic when it comes intelligence because allow a journalist to say your private messages . say your private messages. a 100% lockdown agenda . yeah you

100% lockdown agenda. yeah you can't go into these things but it also it has so important that we suddenly we realise it was everything that was being done was being driven by public debate and then by knowledge he was screaming about masks because of the scientific fact and we now need to make sure that lessons really learned and the things moving forward if this ever happens again , they this ever happens again, they say, hold a minute, stop what the used stop right there. let's go to jonathan jones of ferguson tv . jonathan, what's your view? tv. jonathan, what's your view? you've got about 30 seconds now. i think it's a great news for the telegraph. i hope that sales are booming when we first grew in this country 20 years ago, the daily telegraph carried , a the daily telegraph carried, a story on the front page every 75 days.i story on the front page every 75 days. i hope they do brilliantly . the story , i think is . the story, i think is brilliant . transparency is what brilliant. transparency is what we need . all right, jonathan we need. all right, jonathan jones, thank you so much you're

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hello. good afternoon . this is hello. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online on digital radio. i'm nana akua we are the people's channel now. there is always something going on in the royal household. and this week there's been a different prince harry is set to speak to a trauma on livestream and that's asking charles is asked the duke and duchess of sussex to vacate

frogmore their residence in the uk. that's amid that the property was offered to andrew and william , kate and william and william, kate and william and william, kate and william and kate took place in a furious competition between one another and every saturday. i love to give you a rundown who better to do that than royal biographer angela levin and also socialite lady victoria ivy. wow. so what do we start? let's start with prince harry's lives dream. come i'm going to start with you on that. well people have said that he's making a big mistake to speak to . this man, his 79, and speak to. this man, his 79, and he often believes in giving addicts masses amount of illegal drugs because that brings it all out and helps them. he's also one of those jewish anti semitism so we should know that we have to be careful making allegations that somebody is not what many people have called him thatis what many people have called him that is no help defend himself they're that from the they're okay stop that from the record drive from the rest record drive that from the rest not to defend. okay. and he

not here to defend. okay. and he is he's got some very odd ways of helping but the thing is to see if prince harry sort of moans yet again and attacks his father and even more now they've asked him and meghan to leave frogmore cottage they should go. i mean, i don't know that to be true. do you have any thoughts on what do i think about iowa ? on what do i think about iowa? because that would be like a cottage. look, i mean, i think it's sort of obvious so, you know, first about know, the first thing about royal lodge. lodge is only royal lodge. royal lodge is only about ten bedrooms and there is no swimming pool. so only three bedrooms. and that's but no, but every newspaper always said like every newspaper always said like every newspaper always said like every newspaper i've ever it says it's got 30 rooms and a sizeable so i don't know where they're getting them that they're getting them from that is completely incorrect i think sort also quite obvious that sort of also quite obvious that this is prince william wanting the house. do you think, though, of course so that , you know, of course so that, you know, that's a pretty obvious one, but at the end of the day, this is a conversation between king and

the duke of york . and it's the duke of york. and it's hasn't it got a lot damp. and that's why he it needs to be deau that's why he it needs to be dealt with. and he he can't stay there. this is nothing to do with budgets. this is william, the big house. he's not happy , the big house. he's not happy, the big house. he's not happy, the small one. and you know, for prince andrew, like this house is very you know, he's he's been up for 20 years. it was his grandmother's very sentimental , grandmother's very sentimental, but it's on him. and why should he move? it is that most people whose children leave and establish own lives and have their own children, nearly all of them downsize as well. but he has his daughters and their kids . he has like a lot of family at the they don't live there. but then he's got the queen's dogs. i mean, look, this is the queen's dying wishes with a him to stay in the house. you know, they've got her dogs like well, so prince charles just wants to, like, boot him out. well, well, maybe you can do it for the dogs. i don't think. you can

keep him let him stay there. i'm not saying keep the house just for the dog, but you know. but yeah, but maybe queen of yeah, but maybe the queen of baltimore. don't know. baltimore. i don't know. i think, you know, obviously, they they've really on they've been really tough on harry. sure. he was expecting some sort of something to happen as a result. but maybe he was supposed to not release the book. maybe had some sort of deal and he broke the maybe he did . no, it's sad that will no did. no, it's sad that will no longer have a home in england. you know . well he wouldn't have you know. well he wouldn't have a bed deep base and that means that he can't possibly stay as a counsellor state. this is a person steps in for the monarch if they're ill or if they're away so. he can't possibly do that. away so. he can't possibly do that . and i think that's right that. and i think that's right if he lives mainly in america is of no use to do that. and in any case, you couldn't give it him. it would be inappropriate . now, it would be inappropriate. now, that'd be the end of the monarchy. yeah, we'll just forget it. we're not going to fund no. what about

fund this. no. what about camilla? well. well she camilla? well. well camilla, she has a kept her word that she would stay with the charities that are very important for her. and so she doing an awful lot about reading again and literature, which a very one of her main things. literature, which a very one of her main things . and there's her main things. and there's going to be a big festival in later this year where there's going to be authors and books . going to be authors and books. people can come and talk to those authors, some of whom they must admire hugely and. i think it's very good that she is working incredibly hard as. soon as she felt a bit better having covid, she's back working hard and doing as much as she can for the country. and i think it's very impressive . and i think very impressive. and i think people are getting used to the fact that we don't have to call her queen consort all the time. i asking angela about that with, you know, the differences so do you know, the differences so do you think the reason that

frogmore been taken away is it because camilla was called the evil stepmother ? do you think evil stepmother? do you think that was? well, yes, i think we nailed we knew that there was a red line and i think most of us can somehow take about ourselves . but as someone we love, it's much harder and i think that to call her a and that she would leave people on the street and all those things also saying that you know he pleaded with his father to not marry her. well you know would he if people said i pleaded with him to marry meghan? i think most kids, though, you know , want their though, you know, want their parent to be remarried. i know when they're 38. no no, no, no, i know. but i mean, just like, you know, it hasn't to me, my mother, you know? i know. but i'm just saying, 38 young guys, i'm just saying, 38 young guys, i think him he's just he's very young. i think him he's just he's very young . he needs to grow up and young. he needs to grow up and he does need to grow up. yeah. so i to write and also paper and

stuff which is good that he is at 11 royal biographer thank you very much native be lovely to talk to you stay with me. talk to you to stay with me. this is gb news more to come in the next hour . the next hour. good afternoon. you're with me. i'm not aware this. is the gb news on tv online and on digital radio for the next hour and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headunes the big topics, hitting the headlines right at five. i'll be speaking. rachael williams an inspirational abuse, inspirational survivor of abuse, you want to miss her story then the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking is it time to stop normalising obesity? but first, let's get your latest news headlines headlines . good news headlines headlines. good afternoon to you. it's 5:00. i'm karen armstrong in the gb newsroom. new messages , matt newsroom. new messages, matt hancock reveal how the former secretary battled to save his job after footage of him

embracing colleague gina collins. angelo during lockdown. the clearly showed hancock breaking social distancing rules. a string of messages published in the daily telegraph illustrate how hancock explored series of excellent actions to justify his behaviour in an attempt to manage the crisis and save his career. hancock initially wanted to claim . no initially wanted to claim. no rules were broken before deciding apologise for breaking lockdown guidance. almost two days later, he tendered his resignation . boris johnson may resignation. boris johnson may be facing fight to save his political career following findings of a report into partygate the commons privileges committee investigating his conduct say there's significant new. johnson misled mps over lockdown parties on several and it would been obvious that he his colleagues were breaking the rules. mr. johnson says it was his belief guidance was followed with . charlie rowley, a former

with. charlie rowley, a former adviser to michael gove , told us adviser to michael gove, told us partygate is still a distraction for the government . he should be for the government. he should be focusing on what really matters 7 focusing on what really matters ? this is why on the back the inquiry that published that report on the back of messages that we're seeing leaked at the telegraph that involved the former health secretary the appointment of sue gray to the labour party as chief of staff to you, sir keir starmer, i think this is why labour will be happy for the country to be talking partygate again because is a distraction from allowing the government to tell the pubuc the government to tell the public and to deliver on what really matters to people and educate women. the health service is stopping the small boats, getting the economy back on track. new powers crack down on track. new powers crack down on small boats crossing the channel are expected to be announced by the government week. the legislation is expected to make asylum claims from those who to the uk on small boats as well as banning migrants from returning once removed. those arriving on small

boats would be removed as soon as reasonably practicable . to or as reasonably practicable. to or to a safe third country. the prime minister has vowed to stop the boats as one of his five priorities . thousands of elderly priorities. thousands of elderly people have died as a result of not getting proper care, according to the charity age uk . it says it's deeply concerned nhs figures which show almost 9000 requests for aged 65 and over to be given support in 2021 to 22 were recorded as them having died without those services provided. the charity says those figures amount to almost 550 deaths per week or , almost 550 deaths per week or, 79 per day. the health department says it's providing up to seven and a half billion pounds of funding over the next two years to support adult social care . ukrainian forces social care. ukrainian forces defending bakhmut are facing pressure from russia with

intense fighting in and around the eastern city, the ministry of defence in the uk says resupplying routes of the town are increasingly limited, with two key bridges in bakhmut been destroyed in the last 36 hours. the has tweeted that while ukraine's defence is reinforcing the area, the russian army , the area, the russian army, alongside the wagner group of mercenaries , have made further mercenaries, have made further into bakhmut northern suburbs . into bakhmut northern suburbs. the uk is in for a cold snap next week with temperatures to drop below freezing . monday and drop below freezing. monday and tuesday will see lows of three in scotland and, minus two in the northwest east of england. yellow weather warnings for snow andice yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are in place early monday to late on tuesday across northern scotland and north—east england. the met office says the conditions are likely to cause disruption travel as well as power outages and the wholly oil use to anoint the king during

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columnist lizzie cundy, also co—founder momentum , james co—founder of momentum, james schneider. to come, it's schneider. still to come, it's my difficult conversation . my difficult conversation. rachel williams will be joining me live studio to talking me live in the studio to talking us through her experience at the hands, her husband of being sought by more than a decade ago. she now uses the fame to help spread awareness to others, going through the same situation . there's the great british debate this hour. i'm is it time to stop normalising obesity? nearly 1 billion of the earth's population currently suffer with at least according to reports, half the world is on track to be obese by 2035. that's according to a study . with the media to a study. with the media seeing the surge of body movements, should we be praising or normalising these people when their weight could be actively affecting health? email your thoughts gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me . gb news. and now it's tweet me. gb news. and now it's time for this week's difficult conversation . rachael williams

conversation. rachael williams is a leading advocate in the campaign against domestic violence. she endured 18 years of abuse in 2011. she's trying leave her husband and six weeks later he shot her at a workplace. her husband died by suicide . she then spent six suicide. she then spent six weeks in hospital recovering from her injuries. but three days after rachael was discharged from hospital a 16 year old son, jake took his own life. rachael now the founder of stand up to abuse. and it's changed the sector. spreading awareness, sharing resources and stories to help those in need . stories to help those in need. and some of the images that you may see during this segment may be somewhat distressing. one of these joined the these to say that i'm joined the studio by the founder of stand up studio by the founder of stand up domestic rachael up to domestic abuse. rachael williams, so much for williams, thank you so much for joining me. c looking at you now , no one would have any idea of the sort journey that you've the sort of journey that you've been . can tell me been through. can you tell me a bit your story? yeah, i bit about your story? yeah, i think sadly society got a sort of blinkered view of what a victim should look like. you know, somebody from a lower demographic , you know, somebody

demographic, you know, somebody couldn't in a possibly couldn't be in a possibly powerful or, you know, powerful position or, you know, working nine till five. so if i was with a perpetrator of abuse, not realising he was a perpetrator , abuse and i say, perpetrator, abuse and i say, you know, if somebody slapped on the face that you certainly would go back for a second. hmm. and i was groomed by my ended in a relationship with him and realised he had a bit of a temper . realised he had a bit of a temper. violent on the face time. i can recall that was i was seven months pregnant and. he lifted me off the floor by my throat and he let me go when my lips turned. and that was actually his words after. and how into the relationship did show these sort of tendencies . i show these sort of tendencies. i would probably say ten months in really . yeah. and because he really. yeah. and because he always to speak about his childhood , he came from an childhood, he came from an abusive which is well documented in the reports. i did feel sorry for him and i thought, you know, i could help him and basically

he changing and i think that's what a lot of victims and survivors do that they can actually help their perpetrator with these problems and we with all these problems and we can fix them. when was the first time they set? about nine months. but what it that he months. but what was it that he did that made you think, hang on a minute. it was a way used to speak to me. and sometimes, you know, see food for know, you'd see real food for a meal. he didn't show up, you meal. and he didn't show up, you know, these little red flags know, all these little red flags that more now because that i more aware of now because i in the sector. at the i work in the sector. but at the time wasn't aware of it. and time i wasn't aware of it. and then, like i said, this moment for the abuse, for me was when i was pregnant, seven months pregnant with his child. how long pregnant being long were you pregnant being with i was with . this is with him? i was with. this is this is quite funny actually because perpetrators of abuse tend to do that tend to sort get you their clutches . so i was you in their clutches. so i was probably with him only about a year before i fell pregnant that jack. wow. and so , of course, jack. wow. and so, of course, you had a son. yes. during your pregnancy. what was that like . pregnancy. what was that like. it was all right. it was hard. go sometimes. cause i had a two

year old as well who wasn't darren's , you know, darren darren's, you know, darren always sort of after darren and things that he wanted to do you know he school training five times a week, you know, when nothing changed for him. you know, i was getting up doing the night and he was still go night feeds and he was still go and train doing the things and train and doing the things wanted to do. we on the wanted to do. we worked on the door things for darren door and so things for darren didn't you it didn't change. you know, it became hard work because became very hard work because basically three children. basically i had three children. wow so talk to me about situation that led to you being shot. situation that led to you being shot . so i built up the courage shot. so i built up the courage to finally him. and this was after he'd strangled and then he slit his race in front of i was 16 year old then and that was when the fear of staying within became greater than the fear of leaving him. so i finally decided you know, enough's enough. iowa is new there's going would be a consequence of seven descriptors and because used to me there's only used to say to me there's only one for you and that's one way out for you and that's in a wooden box. use the right things cats we're going things in cats that we're going to in this life, in

to be together in this life, in next. very dark, sinister cats. so leave him file for so i did leave him file for divorce the week period divorce for the six week period before shooting . he stalked before the shooting. he stalked interest which picked up by interest me, which picked up by my police forces stalking , you my police forces stalking, you know. he was hung in my know. and he was hung in my place of work, you know when one time he phoned me 34 times in a day with a text and it was horrendous . and then i remember horrendous. and then i remember then he got for common assault for the strangulation , hence why for the strangulation, hence why i pushed to get non—fatal as a standalone and he was charged with common assault. the league matches states lifted all the bail restrictions the day before the shooting. no way . it was all the shooting. no way. it was all on file. a serial on file. he was a serial perpetrator. he threatened to kill he already conviction kill me. he already a conviction for firearms . so all the was for firearms. so all all the was there for those dealing with the case and. yet they still failed us miserably. and then i went to work on the 19th of august 2011. i just finished cutting the lady's hair. the went really dark . and as i looked to the dark. and as i looked to the door to see what was blocking

the sunlight and darren was six foot 722 stone a 60 inch chest he was a big guy. and i was i looked to the door down his walking into the salon and he was doing this and pulling out a bag again. later bag he was carrying . and i rememberjust carrying. and i rememberjust running towards him and grappling with him for the gun he hit me on the head with a bit of the gun and take the reception desk over . and it of the gun and take the reception desk over. and it was only the fact that i had presence of mind to pull my knees up and my chin stood four feet away from me, told me, loved me, pulled the trigger my left leg , took the first blast left leg, took the first blast and.the left leg, took the first blast and. the second blast skimmed past my ear. he then put the gun day and i believe to reload and i remember grabbing the gun. and at that point i had some sort of supernatural strength. and you couldn't retrieve the gun from. me he absolutely me so he just absolutely pounded. kicks, punches pounded. me with kicks, punches , everything. then the next thing was and then i was thing he was and then i was taken to hospital . i got told taken to hospital. i got told later on in the evening that

they'd found him. he'd taken his own life and which a blessing. you know, i'm not going to say anything other than it was a blessing because i would have to be witness all be in witness protection all my life because . there was no way life because. there was no way he'd let me go. and then, as you said , know, i committed hospital said, know, i committed hospital on the 23rd of september 2011, on the 23rd of september 2011, on the 23rd of september 2011, on the friday and jack took his life on the monday evening. now i don't even know how you go through i mean, your own journey and what you've been to then find out that your son taken his own life what does that do to you you it did destroy me you know. but then as time on time is a healer , you don't get over is a healer, you don't get over it. you learn to live with it. and i think the fire in my belly is to make change to the system , because constantly victims , , because constantly victims, survivors of domestic abuse and, violence are being failed miserably by the system. hence why , i've got all these why, i've got all these petitions going at the moment around, you know, family court .

around, you know, family court. family court, which is horrendous . family court, which is horrendous. us i was fortunate to give that petition into theresa and that's got 220 odd phase signatures . but it's not phase signatures. but it's not just the signatures of nana it's the horror stories that go it. people have put their own of family court . a lady contacted family court. a lady contacted me. the other week and she told me. the other week and she told me that the magistrate and family court told her she could not possibly strangled not have possibly strangled because she was still here you know, you've got comments being said that. the other one is said like that. the other one is around taken domestic seriously in . this is i sat this in in court. this is i sat this in march 2017 he's got 321,000 signatures on and i started that on the back of a judgement. he had a case in his court and. the victim was hit with a cricket bat and the perpetrator tried to make a drink. bleach the judge told him she wasn't deemed vulnerable enough because she had a degree in a network of friends . he didn't give the friends. he didn't give the perpetrator sentence because he had a promising career ahead of him was just so that was in 2017

and i relaunched it last year on the back of all comments that is still being said court is the purpose and where are you going go with this i want i want all judges the magistrates to have mandatory specialist consistent training they absolutely desperately need it. i've got a friend who's a magistrate and thankfully she knows everything about domestic abuse and violence . she nearly stepped violence. she nearly stepped down near the week court because her two colleagues on the bench wanted a bail, a really dangerous perpetrator. and she said, if you do , said, i will be said, if you do, said, i will be overseeing it . a homicide said overseeing it. a homicide said this will be a homicide so i know that they need the training. now, do you think that this doesn't to be taken that seriously? i mean, you know, it seems to be, you all seems to be, yeah. you all right? it's not that. it just you it's not really going you know, it's not really going to do anything. it's usually to do anything. and it's usually men. yeah, right. yeah, yeah, yeah. we know march 20, 21 yeah. we know in march 20, 21 that of defendants in that 92% of defendants in domestic in court, in domestic in criminal court, in domestic in criminal court, in domestic cases . so, you domestic abuse cases. so, you know, men have the problem. know, men, men have the problem. you know, do know that do get

you know, we do know that do get you know , abused by this as well you know, abused by this as well . you know megan, these predominantly men but. . you know megan, these predominantly men but . yeah. i predominantly men but. yeah. i just think is training i just this a lack of knowledge? a lack of training. know the government keep saying you know they play this money into this that any you if at three you know if at three appointments made the appointments made to the home secretary petitions in secretary to these petitions in to priti patel which were cancelled when we suella braverman again on the 14th of february, the day before i was post clip to london you know bnng post clip to london you know bring up it was cancelled just shows me that they've got they've got the latest okay so something really needs to be done about this because this is not acceptable. he said, no, it's so it's your it's not. so it's become your life's mission say yes to me life's mission to say yes to me about , you know, other children about, you know, other children then, you've got to then, because you've got to other children. no, just one of the not a child, the children. when not a child, he's he's so yeah he's an adult. he's 32. so yeah . so he's sort of sort of . so he's he's sort of sort of keeps out of it and he's getting on with life . he was scarred by on with life. he was scarred by obviously living with in that toxic environment and but

thankfully, you know, darren, his father . but you know, we his father. but you know, we miss jack every day. but, you know, for me , this is my mission know, for me, this is my mission now until i an end to domestic abuse violence. i'm going to keep on keeping on and your injuries as well from the shooting. yeah you still dealing with them all so i've got 20 guns with a titanium in leg the hospital did want to take it off, which would have been an amputation above the knee and i told them absolutely no way i 39 you know who wants to lose a limb at 39 if there's a possibility you saving it. possibility of you saving it. i mean the surgeons in swansea were and they did manage mean the surgeons in swansea wesave and they did manage mean the surgeons in swansea wesave my and they did manage mean the surgeons in swansea wesave my leg nd they did manage mean the surgeons in swansea wesave my leg and hey did manage mean the surgeons in swansea wesave my leg and thatiid manage mean the surgeons in swansea wesave my leg and that yeah,inage to save my leg and that yeah, you've just got to get on with it. you can't pitiful and powerful. you've to, you've powerful. you've got to, you've got to choose a and know got to choose a path and i know that of, love and that you me of, love and powerful you have to choose a party rachel thank you so much for me. if want forjoining me. if people want to more or or get to find out more or or get involved petitions, do involved with your petitions, do you somewhere they can go you have somewhere they can go on my website ww w sue to stand up everything's up to abuse org everything's onune up to abuse org everything's online want online and rachel you want absolute inspiration you absolute inspiration thank you so much. thank you. that of

course williams. she's course is williams. she's the founder stand up to domestic founder of stand up to domestic abuse. having abuse. now, if you're having difficulty difficult difficulty or having a difficult time, the time, you can contact the samaritans. day or night, 265 days a year. you can call them for free on 1161, two, three and email them at at joe at samaritans or dot org or visit w dot samaritans .org to find your nearest bronx. the details at, the bottom of the screen . so the bottom of the screen. so coming up, it's the great british debate. so i'm asking, is it time to normalising obesity? today is world d day , obesity? today is world d day, nearly 1 billion of the earth's population currently suffer with obesity. and according to reports half of the world, is on track to. obese by 2035. and track to. be obese by 2035. and with the media seeing a surge in positive positivity movements , positive positivity movements, should be praising and should we be praising and normalising obese when normalising obese people when their weight could be actively affecting their health? see you shortly. .

good afternoon is fast approaching 22 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for our great british debate this i'm asking, is it time to stop, normalise obesity? not a day will to this day. an event designed to ensure happier, healthier and longer for everybody. nearly 1 billion of the earth's population currently suffer with obesity and to reports half of the world is on track to be obese by. 2035. and thatis track to be obese by. 2035. and that is as doctors warned that older and overweight are making it more difficult to clear the backlog of surgeries , the backlog of surgeries, the complex nature of their procedures . and with the media procedures. and with the media seeing a surge of positive positivity movements such itv's body stories and, a surplus of plus size models. body stories and, a surplus of plus size models . should we be plus size models. should we be praising and normalise obese people when their weight could be actively affecting their health? so the great british debate hour, i'm asking, is it time to stop normalising obesity? joining now is fitness

instructor and former presenter of the big breakfast, jodie , of the big breakfast, jodie, author of fast food at 30 lean on alli and personality narinder kaur wright sorry i posted your name right. so little little known light on little little. thank very much. all right. so let's start with you, jodie. the author of fast food 30. yeah. spoke to me . so, yeah, i used to spoke to me. so, yeah, i used to £31. i used be a fitness instructor . you know, i was the instructor. you know, i was the was body positive , i was fat and was body positive, i was fat and i was fit . so i think it's i was fit. so i think it's really hard to say. it's hard not glamorise being , overweight, not glamorise being, overweight, but also you've got to champion these people that are trying to do something about being overweight without you just pushing them into a corner and say mean glamorising it if they're, you know, eating loud and saying that's a great thing no, that's not a bad thing. but

as long as they're doing something in a good in a positive way trying to improve their health, trying to try to improve their life. and i think should be championed. do you think a lot this body think a lot of this body positive stuff is that like, you know, i know there's know, some i know there's a company that had some big models like not just plus size, a very big model . and it's sort of big model. and it's sort of showing the clothes on, the models, obviously models, saying that obviously this bigger people, not this is for bigger people, not as fine, but a way sort of as fine, but in a way sort of seems to contradiction of seems to be a contradiction of terms do you think? well, terms what do you think? well, i don't think quite obesity don't think it's quite obesity i think it's about treating people with respect no matter how they look . and i think there's a lot look. and i think there's a lot of talk about health tokens as if people really care whether enormous people live or die , enormous people live or die, think it's just a smokescreen for bullying. it's fat shaming and. it's bullying. and research has shown time and time again that actually fat shaming and not recognise it or , normalising not recognise it or, normalising people who are overweight does the opposite effect. it's not. we're going to start to . okay. we're going to start to. okay. let what do you think i to be

obese about a year and i lost more than 25 kilograms. it's like more luggage that can go in a suitcase and put into the whole when i go on holiday it kind of crept up on me it creeps up on people through their habhs up on people through their habits and the choices that they make over time . habits and the choices that they make overtime. i think habits and the choices that they make over time . i think obesity make over time. i think obesity treated as a disease by a lot of people and. i think the whole the existence of world obesity day it's backed by companies that are trying to get people onto and being treat the disease is the opposite of what should happen to obesity obesity is actually when somebody is carrying too much stored energy on their body it's pretty simple . we need to get people to learn how to access that and get rid of it more. for me, i feel so much healthier having it. i was , i was one of those people having health problems because. i accidentally became obese . i accidentally became obese. but, you know, it's not in the

drug interest to get everybody healthy because if healthy, they don't a business. and but don't have a business. and but that does not to this creep that does not to be this creep of a sort of. being big is beautiful. being big as might beautiful. being big as it might be. it can also be quite dangerous. do you think that pathway not pushing that pathway to not pushing that message jodie ? i think i don't message, jodie? i think i don't know . saw laser on the brits know. saw laser on the brits when she you know she is morbidly obese and she had 20 or 30 tea dances which also morbidly obese . this was a great morbidly obese. this was a great example of body positivity . and example of body positivity. and not only those girls were dancing amazing, but were morbidly obese. so i think seeing more represent notation like that is good but just in more of a maybe fairer way, a fair represent nation, not an extreme . mhm. yes i did see that extreme. mhm. yes i did see that and i thought they looked fabulous and all. but ultimately it's quite an unhealthy to be is it's quite an unhealthy to be is it not. narinder i mean you know if you are obese that manner you

said it's unhealthy fat, people can be healthy, they're not the size of how you it's not an indicator of your health. health care professionals actually many other indicators that blood pressure cholesterol levels that people can be healthy who's asking people how they can be smokers and drinkers want me to judge. i just it's cruel and it's health concern . like it's health concern. like i said, it's a smoke forjust bullying people who don't look . bullying people who don't look. you people come in all and sizes and that's not respected . and and that's not respected. and let's stop in a little bit. also interesting that it should be referred to as bullying when actually in reality , what you're actually in reality, what you're what you're actually doing is explaining that actually if you are overweight, all your organs have to work a lot harder, your joints and muscles are under a lot more pressure , including the lot more pressure, including the systems within your body as well and the fat around the organs is quite important. sorry, sorry , quite important. sorry, sorry, sorry. excuse that is. sorry. excuse me. that is. excuse me. i'm finished. i listen to you till the end. so

if you the same for me. thank you.so if you the same for me. thank you. so the is that promoting as some of these things seem to show a positive level of body image because for those who are obese it could it be it could have negative impacts is what what we're asking are we right to be promoting almost? no, it's a positive thing. listen, what do you think and i think you can get away with quite lot when you're younger but you get to a certain age and you wear your system at the is actually having too much weight on you being obese. does this been that so much research fact leads to all sorts of diseases cardiovascular diseases tied to cancer. i work with now hundreds of people who are overweight . i work with are overweight. i work with celebrities who are overweight and are being told, look, you've got be careful not to lose too much weight. and my message to them is how long you'll be working for. you've got think working for. you've got to think about certain age your your about at a certain age your your body's holding on to the energy,

but it's actually it's stressing your system. i having too much sugar your blood which happens to most of us by eating the wrong kind of foods actually what it's doing is it's out your insulin system and you don't you've worn out until you've worn then too late to worn by then it's too late to type diabetes is something that we talk nowadays it's the other name for alzheimer's as well. it's based on, you know, it's just based on, you know, people being allowed to do whatever they want with food or being whatever they want to being told whatever they want to . whatever they can . they can do whatever they can food. but for me , the choices food. but for me, the choices that you make, every single you've got to be told, look, i'm being fat, certain age isn't going to be good for, you know, just thinking ahead. i mean, these are all facts. this is not bullying. well, i just it's a bit cruel. and i think that you could say that about a smoker, a drinker. there's lots of people who make choices that wrong for the wrong for that. the health and wrong for that. and in the and it's just a bridge in the why are we picking on just people? why who we do people? why why are who we do say you've got stop doing say you've got to stop doing this. stop doing that.

this. you must stop doing that. why we people no one why should we let people no one of them, nobody's saying that you're saying that there is sort of normalising jodie , the of normalising jodie, the problem is, you know, i was from a fat family all my family and friends were and these people don't realise they all putting so much stress on their heart and all their body , you know, and all their body, you know, without being they do need to be told and they do need some guidance and the gp's are doing it not not in the work but the truth. i think they know the people who will fight morbidity. they know that they do need you. all them telling them you will fight to you . they feel it's fight to you. they feel it's unhelpful. it's an inflammatory conversation . but do they also conversation. but do they also need a positive of images that sort of encourage them to carry on in that direction ? because on in that direction? because that's kind of the guiding encouraging they need to be guided of it and they need guided out of it and they need to be guided out of it the way a lot people seeing company going. i'm guiding out of anything. i'm not guiding out of anything. i'm not guiding out of anything. i blame either .

i'm not guiding out of anything. i blame either. but, i don't blame them either. but, you i mean, look, you know, i mean, look, ultimately look at this, it ultimately we look at this, it is d day. it's is part of d day. so it's important that we talk about it because lot of the world are affected it. and it's affected by it. and it's important that put forward important that we put forward different perspectives on it. dodi what would to dodi what would you say to somebody you somebody who's watching now, you know, kind of overweight and to do about getting do something about getting getting you're author fast getting you're an author of fast food know that's letting food 30. i know that's letting that dodi very often big that sit and dodi very often big breakfast. talk to me. what do you advice is all about you think advice is all about lifestyle changes and doing small things to slow improve how you feel . one of the biggest you feel. one of the biggest things fell me and my clients is all about you know if you're not feeling a good place mentally it's an impulse able to choose the right foods and actually go out and exercise so actually focusing on lifestyle is the first step and then look , first step and then look, exercise, then look at food . but exercise, then look at food. but again, it's about the bigger picture and we mentioned earlier as well about it's so easy just to change your lifestyle . it's to change your lifestyle. it's actually not that easy to

actually not that easy to actually a sticking to a plan of getting up at a certain time or eating the right foods is hard we've got temptations all around . we've got a tv ad everywhere . . we've got a tv ad everywhere. they're everywhere. listen, i've got 20 seconds. i want to get the fun word list on because he's got a book and stuff so just give us just ten. second thing of how you can encourage people if they're looking to fat or weight or whatever , it's or lose weight or whatever, it's all learning to navigate all about learning to navigate the world. fast food, 30 was an experiment . i the world. fast food, 30 was an experiment. i ate the world. fast food, 30 was an experiment . i ate nothing but experiment. i ate nothing but fast food and i still four kilograms and my cholesterol drop. you can learn to make the right choices for your body . you right choices for your body. you have to be conscientiously engaged your body to do so and you have to really want to make a change and believe that actually the fat in my cells isn't good for me long term is going to lead me to world getting the kind of diseases that all trying avoid. that we're all trying avoid. thank listen, ali, he's the thank you. listen, ali, he's the author fast food, a 30 or so author of fast food, a 30 or so dirty fountain fitness fitness instructor, and narinder instructor, and also narinder kaur tv .

instructor, and also narinder kaur tv. thank you so much for joining me right here with me. i'm not quite the city that is on online and, on digital on tv, online and, on digital radio. coming continue radio. coming up, we'll continue that great debate this hour. i'm asking, it to stop asking, is it to stop normalising obesity a normalising obesity with a thought my former thought to my panel? former advisor jeremy corbyn, jane schneider, columnist advisor jeremy corbyn, jane schne cundy columnist advisor jeremy corbyn, jane schne cundy . columnist advisor jeremy corbyn, jane schne cundy . but columnist advisor jeremy corbyn, jane schne cundy . but first,:olumnist advisor jeremy corbyn, jane schne cundy . but first, let's|nist lizzie cundy. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. hi, there it is. 533 karen armstrong in the gb newsroom. new messages involving the former health secretary hancock show him reacting footage of him and his colleague gina colin deangelo caught embracing during lockdown. the leaked whatsapp message reading how are the photos was sent by matt hancock after he discovered pictures of him breaching social distancing have been published . the have been published. the messages also show him discussing guidance in place , discussing guidance in place, the time and how he should respond to the media. the correspondence among more than

100,000 messages obtained by the daily telegraph . boris johnson, daily telegraph. boris johnson, may be fighting to save his political career following the findings of a report into the commons privileges committee investigating his conduct say. there's significant new evidence that johnson misled mps over lockdown parties on several occasions and it would have been obvious to him and his colleagues that they were breaking the rules. mr. johnson says was his belief all says it was his belief all guidance had been followed . guidance had been followed. government is expected to announce new laws next week to crack down on small boats the channel. the legislation is expected to make asylum claims it from those who travel to the uk on small boats as as banning migrants from returning once been removed. in addition , been removed. in addition, arriving on small boats would be removed as soon as reasonably practical to rwanda or a safe third country. the prime minister's vowed to the boats as one of his five priorities.

ukraine officials say 11 people are now known to have died after are now known to have died after a woman's body was found this morning following thursday's russian missile in the southern ukrainian city, zakariya. one child was amongst those killed in the early morning attack . a in the early morning attack. a five storey residential building and the president vladimir zelenskyy has vowed to hold moscow , saying evil will not in moscow, saying evil will not in our land tv, online and dab radio. this is gb news now is back to nana . good afternoon back to nana. good afternoon course. stay with us here at gb news. i'm not a crab i've got a great two british debates on the way we'll be discussing loads of stuff. can i have a fast pace through the events of the week with my panel now quickfire quiz all of that on the way after this

get news coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for our great british debate this out. i'm asking, is it time to stop normalising obesity ? nearly normalising obesity? nearly 1 billion of its population currently suffer with and according to reports half of the world is on track to be obese by 2035. and that's as doctors have that the older and overweight patients are making it more difficult to clear the backlog of surgeries due to the complex nature of the procedures and with the media seeing a surge in both body positivity movement such as body stories and such as these body stories and a of plus—size models. such as these body stories and a of plus—size models . should we of plus—size models. should we be praising and normalising these people when their weight actually be affecting their health? some of the great british debate this hour. i'm asking it time to stop. normalising obesity . so, of normalising obesity. so, of course, obesity as course, world obesity day as well. what my panel well. so let's see what my panel will make that. joined by will make of that. i'm joined by broadcast lizzie broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy and co—founder the cundy and also co—founder the moment former adviser to moment and former adviser to jeremy james schneider. right.

lizzie cundy normalising , lizzie cundy normalising, obesity? are we being cruel and disapproving cruel? well, we're not being cruel. the 64% are overweight in this country. 29% are obese. and it's putting massive, massive strain on. the nhs brilliant. 6 billion and they look looking like it could be up to 9.5 billion in the next coming years. what we're doing is not educating people about health properly . really. it's health properly. really. it's about the well isn't looking at the mental health that go with it . now look the mental health that go with it. now look i'm the mental health that go with it . now look i'm someone that's it. now look i'm someone that's had an eating yet . yeah, i did. had an eating yet. yeah, i did. i suffered and. people didn't look at the mental side. they just watch what you eat all in one case. what i didn't eat and it's the mental concerns and thatis it's the mental concerns and that is where the money should be put into looking at the mental issues why . people are mental issues why. people are obese.i mental issues why. people are obese. i know there are many reasons, mostly genetics, but with obesity you have a lot of knock on other illnesses from

it, from heart disease, diabetes cancen it, from heart disease, diabetes cancer. and it is real huge worry. plus it's a massive strain on our nhs. worry. plus it's a massive strain on our nhs . james i'd strain on our nhs. james i'd obesity is obesity is a big it's a problem for people's health. exactly so saying but isn't going up because the itv has a show called body positivity or whatever it's going up because we're not specifically saying to normalise it in a. well the thing that to the thing that's normalised is our food system which stuffs some people with unhealthy and it starves about one in ten of them with its hands what do they feed themselves. so if somebody is putting food in the mouth, it's okay, fine. but if you if you're offered if the system creates foods, then people will be and they will eat better. if you're offered unhealthy food, then you're more likely to be unhealthy. so food is more likely to be processed with high fructose syrup and all of this stuff which makes which is very

unhealthy. depends what food you buy. right. but that is so that is what is making the obesity numbers go up. the reason is going up is because people are eating unhealthy food because the majority of food that is on offer to people is unhealthy . we offer to people is unhealthy. we have. offer to people is unhealthy. we have . this content of food is have. this content of food is decreasing. yes unhealthy. james. james sadly unhealthy food is cheaper to eat and that is what people think. and that's why they go for the options. but i do think like on fast food, they should actually have fat and what it can do cheaper and somewhat not, but they don't they could do it on fast food. people really think that we need do more and we need to at the mental issues people are obese that that's more the point but people don't care if something that it's a thousand calories don't even look at the calories i at that it's good i love i look at that it's good i love that. i think if people saw the dangers in their life, you know, you will it's could lose you will it's you could lose your being obese. it's

your life from being obese. it's a danger and it's costing the nhs. what about the normalisation? because obviously there's and there's body positivity and things love as big as things like that. love as big as is anything wrong with saying love yourself, but do you think by of kind normalising, by sort of kind of normalising, that's dangerous that's actually quite dangerous for can yes. but for people. it can be, yes. but just because you're overweight, fat i'm healthy. fat doesn't mean i'm healthy. i would be really skinny and people still unhealthy . it's people and still unhealthy. it's a shame that that . i do think is a shame that that. i do think is that i just don't the way we think it's some trend suddenly and everyone saying oh it's so cool to be obese. no it's not actually your health is in dangen actually your health is in danger. and as we said, massive strain on the nhs, 29% of people in this country are obese . in this country are obese. people saying it's cool to be obese though. is that well, isn't there on the front of vogue we've just talked about the pop star who's, as you know and everyone was you know extremely overweight with a say obese not but i think if we want to reduce obesity which i we all do and that is a good thing i

don't think particularly focusing on you know what the how positive people view of obesity because i think overwhelming majority of people don't think that it's a good thing but there are and we should be looking at what government policies would make people's lives healthier. we're talking about health. obesity is a health problem. it has negative health impacts like diabetes , heart disease, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, all the stuff that you were you were talking about. so we should be talking about government policies will make people have healthier will make healthier lives? what will make them do more health and do more exercise? have more time to cook and, cook healthy make and, cook healthy food, make good what what food good choices? what what food comes in you? no, that's laudable. and the government do stuff as well stuff like that at all as well but think that the sort but do you think that the sort campaigns see are campaigns that we see are actually helpful in promoting this sort of positive vision of obesity? because i see lots of things that are promoting. it's to overweight and you to great be overweight and you know don't i'm not know it's just i don't i'm not bothered whether someone is overweight slim it's not me overweight or slim it's not me to a personal judgement, to make a personal judgement,

but is very but reality of it is very different the reality of being overweight is actually the dangers for your health. exactly. we all come in exactly. and we all come in different shapes and sizes. that's makes world, you that's what makes world, you know, a fun place. we want will be same. but the fact is, be the same. but the fact is, health, lifestyle, self—worth and let's not promote someone thatis and let's not promote someone that is a base because isn't healthy can promote them of course. but just the notion the nofion course. but just the notion the notion that it is actually a healthy correct because of course with the pandemic as well that was a big one of the biggest i mean, i remember saying to one girl, you know, you should have was an you should have i was an advocate for the vaccine. so i suppose, know, got suppose, you know, you've got all there that could all the things there that could suggest may bad suggest that may be a bad candidate if you the disease and sure, there's nothing wrong this nothing she's nothing wrong with me. she's i've glad that she i've got this glad that she didn't see as an didn't even see as almost an illness. yeah which now it's really because we're not really hard because we're not allowed you allowed to say some words, you know, someone could say to know, like someone could say to me, i was too skinny, but i couldn't say, oh you're looking fat. we can't we say those fat. we can't we can't say those words people , you know, words because people, you know, we're worried offend we're so worried going to offend someone. think i say

someone. i don't think i say that anybody anyway, that to anybody anyway, because i think that's a bit cruel. i just think that's a bit cruel. well, you're trying well, that but if you're trying to and trying to to help someone and trying to get you, go healthier life, you go about it a nice way like if you've got a friend is put lots of and you worry that of weight and you worry that they have impacts, they might have health impacts, you quiet word you might have like a quiet word and try to something healthy. you're not going to at you're not going to point at them say, well, no, i'm not them and say, well, no, i'm not going point of course i'm going to point of course i'm not. you're trying not. but if you're trying to help have healthier help and have a healthier lifestyle, but so advertise lifestyle, but not so advertise and being obese. and glamorise, being obese. well, used to be trainer and well, i used to be a trainer and i use to train people and also to well for me, i was too to go well for me, i was too honest. oh, right well, this is nothing you and your nothing without you and your views one of our great views as well. one of our great british your opportunity british voices. your opportunity to us what you to be the show. tell us what you think topics we're think about topics we're discussing, go discussing, where should we go to better number of at to get a better number of at least a parcel train? let's go to bedford lee webb. he has a perfect person to talk to about this episode. think. do you feel there's a lot of normalisation of obesity ? i think it's too of obesity? i think it's too much with obesity you know, it's a cool thing to be at the moment

we've got these magazines and fashion houses and that these people . now i'm happy if has people. now i'm happy if has a base and they're happy with being a base i've got no issue with that i'm not going to you know, sort like insult them or anything like that. but it does increase your risk from heart disease. it increases your risk for type two diabetes, also increases risk for certain cancers. and believe me, that's a journey that you don't want to go down is the cancer rate and also the mental health of also the mental health side of things physical health things and physical health supports good mental health years . you say healthy people years. you say healthy people normally got good mental health, but people don't tend to have good mental health. and so we're going to look at that as well. the mental health side of it. alongside when was the last time you an eight year old person you don't see them because they don't see them because they don't last that long life the life expectancy is just amazing . we've been hiding behind sofas .we've been hiding behind sofas with the covid pandemic for two years, saving doors protecting

everybody health and our own health suppliers to date. and yet we're not, as a nation doing anything to reduce the obesity levels in this country . well, levels in this country. well, thank you so much. he's a trainer as well, but trying to thank you so much for your thoughts as . it's world obesity thoughts as. it's world obesity day today. now, as we reported earlier this hour, prince harry has speaking with a trauma expert on a list and taking part in a q&a the public. let's discuss this with royal reporter cameron walker, who i believe may well be listening to it. cameron talk to me about it. what's he been saying now that, yes, i am indeed listening to it still it's been going on roughly 45 minutes so far, in over 15 minutes to go the best way i describe it is a bit of therapy session in itself. of course it is. prince duke of sussex on live stream in this living room like situation. for those listening radio and who haven't seen the pictures with a fireplace sofas speaking to a

doctor gabor mate and a lot of it centres around and this idea of prince harry's child says and how that has kind of affected him in later life prince harry at one point claims that he diagnosed with post—trauma stress by a therapist . i don't stress by a therapist. i don't believe we have heard before in quite so blunt terms. he also says the reason he had written his memoir spare, which is the whole point of this livestream in the first place to promote his book. if he wanted to take it for this livestream, he had to pay £17 for the privilege and get a copy of his book. he said the reason wrote the book he did didn't he does not and has looked for sympathy in writing this book. and while one of the great people of harry duke of sussex of a very wanted. that's how i feel. nina but he wanted an apology and that's. that's, you know, something? sorry. this is asking sympathy on you and just seems a bit of odd thing for him. it's interesting, isn't

it, yeah, within it, in the parade? yeah, within promotional interviews with promotional interviews with promotional interviews with promotional interviews he gave for this memoir , spare. he did for this memoir, spare. he did say he was kind of the ball was in the royal family's courts in terms of reaching out to perhaps apologise for the experiences had had growing up as members of the royal family. buckingham palace clearly having commented on that . but i will keep you on that. but i will keep you updated with the rest of the live stream and any more lines. i'll bring it straight to you. thank you so much, cameron. cameron walker there listening to whingeing. oh know to harry whingeing. oh know what? know it is, what? i don't know what it is, but wants you out of it. but he wants you out of it. anyway, stay us. this time anyway, stay with us. this time for quick pop this for the quick pop quiz. this week at the time of the part of the show where i test panel on some of other stories some of the other stories hitting headlines right hitting the headlines right now, i'm columnist lizzie i'm joined by columnist lizzie cundy. like co—founder of cundy. looks like co—founder of momentum adviser momentum and former adviser jeremy corbyn. snyder, jeremy corbyn. james snyder, lizzie joe was lizzie pressure, please. joe was a one. please go along at a lovely one. please go along at home a has caused quite a stir after making an appearance in a small chinese village . but why small chinese village. but why was it a don't have finished? he

was it a don't have finished? he was missing for 20 sb. he was actually thought to have been to see he was a celebrity from the 19 . i'm going to be looking for 19. i'm going to be looking for be what do you think? james yeah, it's b is it? i think the answer is b you have been committed a different body was misidentified does it seem to now go question it is it true oh i'm going to be faster. all right. britain's strictest pub as these five rules no smoking no credit cards no mobile phones, no cameras and no . hmm. phones, no cameras and no. hmm. when i say, well , he company. when i say, well, he company. yeah, it's always the one thing you do. even principles. sir james. well, okay. you know, i think. i wouldn't say no backpackers. i think i'd say the rest of the i serve the kind of man i'll under the strictest britain. james would you have a dnnk britain. james would you have a drink of that pub? yeah. no. fine. great way would i not a

phone. no no. but i said no phonesi phone. no no. but i said no phones i think a pub, no phone. sounds quite nice. you know, i love my phone at a pub instagramming pictures of myself . look, it might not be all right. question three the royal man has stopped to one street in liverpool. but why is it a spokesman was attacked by a dog. the street was filled with too much trash. i'll see the crime rate is too high on that street. james dog , which was a he said james dog, which was a he said i what do you think? i think it's safe because there's so much crime it's lawless. bridget at the minute it was actually all right. well james complained a policeman attacked by a dog really ? the street is considered really? the street is considered a safety risks and one man walkers want to enter that road. thought that way about go we thought that way about it. go we never use romance in any way, right? for woman in right? question for a woman in london it her mission london has made it her mission to eat scone at every national to eat a scone at every national trust in england northern trust in england and northern ireland. many that you ireland. but how many that you eat because causes don't wins. oh what's about hundred on that. no no going to be more 500

national trust. seriously yeah. there's no i think it's one so that did this by the way, she lost a sort of i said 100 witnesses, just 240. oh, yes, sir. john anthony taken over ten years. it's right. and final question. question five brooklyn back was this week for sharing his pasta recipe. but why was it he cooked it for way too long? b he used the wrong pasta and sauce and c, he used added sugar instead of salt. james c he added sugars herself . that's added sugars herself. that's civil, right ? no, no. added sugars herself. that's civil, right? no, no. i was going to say maybe. yeah yeah, yeah. going to say maybe. yeah yeah, yeah . no, it was it was soggy. yeah. no, it was it was soggy. you should be 20. you used the wrong pasta sauce and the so city know if he's my friend. he's very cross. he's on the phone. only i have used his so well . many people criticised him well. many people criticised him for getting the recipe completely wrong. what's your favourite cook, lizzie? favourite thing to cook, lizzie? oh, roast . i'm favourite thing to cook, lizzie? oh, roast. i'm very oh, i love a roast. i'm very good roasts and. a thai thai good at roasts and. a thai thai curry, you know a lot of green

card? yeah. what about i like chicken stuff. i say you. you're good at it. so you're saying that just i'm. i i can do that just i'm. i can. i can do that? fine. you bring some in. yeah, yeah, right. well, if wilkinson tupperware. it wilkinson tupperware. if it doesn't or isn't on today's show we've been asking oh my bangkok messages in the public and according to our twitter 71% say yes wow and only 29% of you say no because a huge thank you to my panel for lizzie candy, thank you very . and kwinana and also you very. and kwinana and also of amentum and former advisor jeremy corbyn, james schneider . jeremy corbyn, james schneider. thanks for having me. it wasn't that bad, was it? no, no. it's all right. race between two tombs, painting bonuses. all right. race between two tombs, painting bonuses . well, tombs, painting bonuses. well, listen, thank you so much for. you at home for your company as well? i'll be back tomorrow at 4 pm. to discuss the top stories and phone calls from christine hamilton. and hamilton. so broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. i'll leave with the weather . leave you with the weather. don't can also don't forget, you can also download show must download the show or story must live youtube . i'll see you

live on youtube. i'll see you soon. enjoy your day . tune in soon. enjoy your day. tune in tomorrow . hello there. i'm craig tomorrow. hello there. i'm craig stone. hazel focus on the met office as we for the next few days. although weekend will be rather cloudy and dry, next week is certainly turning a good deal colder through the risk of some stay for us there at the stay for of us there at the moment still this area of moment we still got this area of high pressure firmly charge high pressure firmly in charge across country. this cold across the country. this cold front focus front will just be a focus of. some showers across eastern some showers across some eastern and of the uk . and northern parts of the uk. but for most of us, as we end, it's going to be dry , rather it's going to be dry, rather cloudy the best. any clear cloudy with the best. any clear skies up across western scotland. later on in the night, we will start see some wintry showers affecting the very far north of scotland . but for many north of scotland. but for many that no real problems with temperatures no lower than around 3 to 4 degrees for a lot of the country. so sunday for england and wales a very similar day to saturday, plenty of cloud around risk of some showers across eastern of the country for scotland and ireland. i'm hopeful we will see a little more in the way of brightness

compared to saturday, but also the risk of some showers. and these showers again, be these showers again, will be wintry, across high wintry, especially across high ground temperatures on sunday at best around to nine degrees. but factor the wind, it will still be feeling pretty cold if you are out and about into sunday evening . across the north, an evening. across the north, an increase in of some showers, especially across scotland where these will turn increasingly to sleet and snow even at lower levels with. the risk of some ice to so do take some extra care if. you are out and about early on monday could just see some disruption courtesy of that snow further south. a colder night than saturday, maybe a touch of frost in. a few spots where we do see the skies remain clearest . and then as we go into clearest. and then as we go into monday , tuesday and wednesday, monday, tuesday and wednesday, it turns even colder across the uk. risk of some snow, chiefly across the high at first, but as we go into the middle of the week, we may even see some snow moving into the south too, but you can keep eye on all the information through the warnings

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