good evening . it's an honour and good evening. it's an honour and a privilege to have you with me. welcome along to nearly all of our life on gb news tv and on radio. tonight on the show, i'll be speaking to former presenter steve miller about his family's experience with government regulated care homes during the pandemic . we'll catch up with pandemic. we'll catch up with a 67 year old shop keeper who lost a shoplifter in his store. only to be told by police to release the crook or face prosecution himself . we'll find out how himself. we'll find out how a not in rejected by different homes ultimately managed to land himself a job saving lives is

now one of the most successful medical detection dogs in britain, sniffing out the likes of cancer, malaria and covid 19 for a viewpoint. all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from out in armstrong . hi. there are out in armstrong. hi. there are armstrong here in the gb newsroom. did you have sussex? says he was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder following princess diana's death . in a live streamed interview with trauma specialist dr. gabor mattei . the duke of sussex mattei. the duke of sussex discussed living with loss and personal healing. prince harry says he doesn't see himself as a victim and doesn't want sympathy . he has compared himself to princess diana in feeling different from the rest of the family and says he tries to constantly show love and affection to his children. in contrast to his father, king charles. new messages involving

matt hancock reveal how the former health secretary battled to save his job after footage of him embracing colleague gina, colin d'angelo emerged during lockdown. the picture has clearly showed hancock breaking social distancing rules. a string of messages published in the daily telegraph illustrate how hancock explored a series of explanations to justify his behaviour and attempt to manage the crisis and save his career. hancock initially wanted to claim no rules were broken , then claim no rules were broken, then decided to apologise for breaking lockdown guidance before tendering his resignation two days later . before tendering his resignation two days later. boris johnson may be facing a fight to save his political career following the findings of a report into partygate. the commons privileges committee investigating his conduct say there's significant new evidence that boris johnson misled mps over lockdown parties on several occasions. and it would have been obvious to him and his colleagues they were breaking the rules. mr. johnson says it was his belief all guidance had

been followed. charlie rowley, a former special adviser to michael gove , told us partygate michael gove, told us partygate is still a distraction for the government, who should be focusing on things that really matter. is why on the back matter. this is why on the back of the inquiry that published the report yesterday on the back of messages that we're seeing leaked to the telegraph that involved the former health secretary and the appointment of sue gray to the labour party as chief of staff. to you, sir keir starmer i think this is why labour will be happy for the country to be talking about partygate again , because it is a partygate again, because it is a distraction from allowing the government to tell the public and to deliver on what really matters to people. and that's education. and in the health service it's stopping the small boats, it's getting the economy back on track. new powers to crack down on small boats, crossing the are crossing the channel are expected announced by the expected to be announced by the government the government next week. the legislation is expected make legislation is expected to make asylum claims inadmissible from those who travel to the uk on small boats, as well as banning migrants from returning once

removed . and those arriving removed. and those arriving would be removed as soon as reasonably , practically reasonably, practically possible. that includes anyone arriving on a small boat should be moved to rwanda or a safe third country. the prime minister has vowed to stop the boats as one of his five priorities. thousands of elderly people have died as a result of not getting proper care. that's according to the charity age uk. it's deeply concerned by nhs figures which show almost 29,000 request cuts for people aged 65 and over to be given support in the air. 2021 to 22. where in fact recorded as them having died without any services being provided . the charity says the provided. the charity says the figures amount to more than 550 deaths per week or 79 per day. the health department says it's providing up to seven and a half billion pounds of funding over the next two years to support aduu the next two years to support adult social care . the number of adult social care. the number of people killed by a russian

strike in the southern ukrainian city of operation has risen to 11. emergency services say they recovered a woman's body in the debris. this morning. a child was amongst those killed in thursday's strike on a five storey residential building. the president, vladimir zelenskyy , president, vladimir zelenskyy, has vowed to hold moscow accountable , saying evil will accountable, saying evil will not reign in our land . the uk is not reign in our land. the uk is in for a cold snap next week with temperatures expected to drop below freezing . monday and drop below freezing. monday and tuesday will see lows of minus three in scotland and minus two in the north—west and east of england. a yellow weather warning for snow and ice will be in place from early monday to late tuesday across northern scotland and northeast england, the met office says the conditions are likely to cause some disruption to travel as well as power outages . tv online well as power outages. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to neil oliver live .

live. i'm telling you now , if live. i'm telling you now, if you're still getting your latest news from the traditional mainstream media, then it's not news. it's not investing nation in search of the truth as far as i'm concerned, it's a limp attempt by outfits compromised by complicity with years of misuse of the people desperate to find a quiet offramp from the road to hell. they've been enthusiastic . lee bottling along enthusiastic. lee bottling along , even though with everyone getting so excited , watching getting so excited, watching rats running for the lifeboats , rats running for the lifeboats, the mainstream media is still working within the same old narrative, still talking about masks for schoolchildren and testing for covid 19. still asking the questions. we already know the answers to. how can it be that after all this time , the be that after all this time, the mainstream media is still failing to ask the most important questions about so much? that happened after all this time? how can they still miss the open goal so completely ? a person might see it's down

to more of that good old wilful blindness. after all, for the vast majority of the mainstream media, they're looking at journalistic credibility as a vanishing in the rear—view vanishing dot in the rear—view mirror, having spent the past two and more years perform as unquestioning folk calls for the government narrative, the time for them to remember that the job of the fourth estate is to challenge authority is long, long never to be regained. long past. never to be regained. give the devil's of june. all those years , the years of the those years, the years of the bones from the hundreds of millions of pounds spent by the government and bill and government and bill gates and others to ensure a warm welcome and happy hosting for the official of lockdown official narrative of lockdown ends and masks saving lives of safe and effective medical procedures and all that jazz . procedures and all that jazz. while surely enough to leave many so—called news organisations punchdrunk and suffering double or even triple vision when it came to keeping a beady eye on pesky matter beady eye on that pesky matter of truth . and still, after of the truth. and still, after all, the damage to catastrophic harms of lockdown after all those lives and livelihoods ruined , all those dodgy ruined, all those dodgy contracts , the greatest transfer

contracts, the greatest transfer of wealth in history from the poor to the billionaires. the excess deaths mounting and as unexplained as ever. after all that, and in lieu of real investigation, we get speculation about whether matt hancock ordered enough tests before sending the elderly into care homes, about who did or didn't want to close schools . is didn't want to close schools. is that really the best they can do? let's once again once more and with feeling contempt, some of the list of questions so many journalists still won't ask the answers. we can only assume they simply don't care to hear if the politicians were so scared in the face of the images coming out of china in 2019, then why didn't they listen objectively and reasonably to all of the science ? what about the great science? what about the great barrington declaration ? instead barrington declaration? instead of ignoring all those experts and dismissing that appeal for another way of handling things late to not have been appropriate, to listen and ask questions . and what about the questions. and what about the doctors all around the world who examined the patients with covid 19, recognised as a risk prior

to the virus and quickly identified a cheap, readily available and effective ways to treat them during the first part of 2020. in the us and europe and in africa , doctors were and in africa, doctors were treating the patients in the way they're supposed to, which is to see looking at the person in front of them and addressing the symptoms with on label and off label medicines with tried and tested safety records and proof of efficacy , those doctors will of efficacy, those doctors will sharing information with anyone who would listen trying mostly in vain to publish scientific papers detailing the findings and supposedly serious medical journals about how the treatments were saving thousands of lives without hospital ization and in advance of any so—called vaccines . but instead so—called vaccines. but instead of listening to them, instead of taking them seriously, or at least asking questions. governments in those countries and around the world and the play and around the world and the play along mainstream media went out of the way to ridicule and ban those medicines to strike off those doctors, and to shut down and censor anyone at all from so as talking about

from so much as talking about them. was the telegraph newspaper and the rest of the mainstream media when all that was going on? we have lot questions about whether or not covid 19 was readily treatable with available drugs. what was on the front pages, then locked down and face masks for all. scott egg's one way path through and supermarkets and the rule of six the nonsense and fear that ruined us. that's what if governments and the mainstream media following the science , as media following the science, as they called it, were so desperate fight covid 19. desperate to fight covid 19. then this silence then why did this silence experienced and highly credentialed medical professionals potentially professionals with potentially lifesaving information to offer? why is it still to this day, close to forbidden to talk about drugs like ivermectin and hydroxycut ? while the vast hydroxycut? while the vast majority of the world's population is still kept in the dark about how many doctors so at once , apart from anything at once, apart from anything else, they were dealing with a respiratory virus and knew from the medical training . all the medical training. all doctors received that a hospital trip virus like covid 19 was to

be treated with available antiviral drugs, with anti—inflammatory drugs. and when things got more serious with antithrombotic drugs, why was that not a conversation on every front page on this show? i interviewed dr. shanker chetty from south africa, who personally treated thousands of covid patients with, among other avail , only covid patients with, among other avail, only able medicines, anti histamines and saved all those lives without hospitalisation . lives without hospitalisation. dr. charity was invited to malaysia to share his knowledge and doctors there following his protocol, saved many thousands more lives. he was the recipient of an award from the malaysian government for his efforts. why didn't we hear about him here? why weren't the mainstream media asking about his successful life saving efforts? i spoken at length with dr. pachauri , an length with dr. pachauri, an esteemed critical care physician in the us, one of many who advocated the use of off label medicines for covid 19. why was he bluntly shut down instead of being listened to quickly investigative journalists to

objectively investigate what he was seeing ? front pages and was seeing? front pages and chart are now about whether or not matt hancock bothered to ensure enough testing of the elderly before the end to care homes. that's not the question. the question is how? what if the elderly with covid actually treated in those care homes ? treated in those care homes? indeed. how exactly where people with covid treated in hospitals and elsewhere, was it the right treatment? that is a crucial question that still goes unasked . and why did so many people die here in this country when patients under the care of doctors like shane crocetti and pierre curti recover without the need of going to hospital ? why need of going to hospital? why don't we know more about all of this? another doctor or scientist might seek treatment with those off label and only label antiviral drugs, anti—inflammatories and antiserum , botox and antiserum, botox and antihistamines pose risks. maybe so . but risks were also posed by so. but risks were also posed by the so—called vaccines and other new products like remdesivir that were available later in the pandemic. research carried out

by pfizer made plain the company was well aware in advance of the roll out of the risk of adverse effects related to the so—called vaccines . and yet, governments vaccines. and yet, governments around the world indemnified those makers , which is to say those makers, which is to say those makers, which is to say those governments accepted if any harm was done to people , any harm was done to people, resulting in the need for compensation, then the taxpayers would fit the bill. why so ready to take risks with so—called vaccines and to wash the hands of the makers in advance? when it came to experimental gene therapies label this vaccines but an outright ban on using existing drugs with decades of proven safety and efficacy. why and most importantly right now , and most importantly right now, in the context of supposed revelations about what went on in care homes. why are so many journalists still not asking those same straightforward questions ? why were elderly questions? why were elderly people in care homes suffering with covid and having breathing difficulties ? given opiates and difficulties? given opiates and benzo diazepam? those patients had a respiratory virus, mainly not have got better if treated

with other drugs and here's another question for the mainstream media. the so—called vaccines are quietly being withdrawn as well. have you noticed? why is that? when, according to a headline in the lancet on the 14th of january this year, the covid pandemic is far from over. if this year, the covid pandemic is far from over . if the this year, the covid pandemic is far from over. if the pandemic is far from over and the so—called vaccines are the best answer, as we are told over and oven answer, as we are told over and over, beware of those products going. and why not investigate none of that by journalists? if they are safe and effective for they are safe and effective for the under 50 a few weeks and months ago, why are they no longer available for that age group now? surely that's an interesting development. why aren't it? aren't we hearing more about it? seems to me we're being prescribed something else now. a giant dose of amnesia after three years of catastrophic harms , the ways of life. two harms, the ways of life. two economies to children apart. it's no time to forget so much of what happened, or at least to consign it all to history. after all, nowadays we've got war, climate crisis and 50 minutes cities and drag queens to return

to contemplate on a round the clock basis, just about covid inquiry. of course there is. i wonder which company will get the contract for all the whitewash. what's happening now is spectacularly unedited . all is spectacularly unedited. all manner of characters suddenly keen to talk about matt hancock and tests and face masks , not to and tests and face masks, not to mention millions of words of whatsapp. messages are the same ones that for months on end bellowed about locking down and let harder and for longer. the same ones that wanted a mask on every face, including those of children and infants. they seem that wanted mandated injections with new medical products, with those new medical products, the same ones that celebrated the same ones that celebrated the to cancel christmas the need to cancel christmas before jetting to enjoy before jetting off to enjoy their holidays in antigua or the met. the same ones that took to writing miles of newspaper columns how those law columns about how those law abiding tax paying , fellow abiding tax paying, fellow citizens was the citizens preferring as was the right not to receive those medical products, should face all manner of punishment, consequences and retribution. those same characters in print and on screen are suddenly positioning themselves to

celebrate the downfall of the very people whose draconian , very people whose draconian, unlawful, shameful actions as they were such hearty cheerleaders for just 5 minutes ago. if they've got selective memories, then thankfully millions of us do not. we remember every word tweet on moment of time. better yet, we kept the receipts as every bug eyed, white lipped call for lockdown. every feverish demand to see the so—called covidiots granny killers, covid deniers and antifa access locked up on what? it's all still there. a permanent record i would describe as the most shameful dereliction of duty by any generation of so—called journalists. it's well known and admitted that the population of this country was subjected to propaganda and psychologic manipulation. let's have some questions about why that happened. in my opinion, lockdowns caused until damage and got a mystique . we know now and got a mystique. we know now that the masks were pointless. even much vaunted n95, why even the much vaunted n95, why aren't we asking questions about that? who decided the people should be stifled ? are questions

should be stifled? are questions and dissent silenced and brainwashed instead ? we must brainwashed instead? we must remember that that's what happened and demand to know why . and here's the thing. if we were manipulated, signed, silence , then sane, to stop us silence, then sane, to stop us asking questions about covid 19. why should we think for one minute that those same characters are telling us the truth about anything else, about the war in ukraine, about climate , about digital ids and climate, about digital ids and central bank digital currencies, about the compromised world health organisation . will we go health organisation. will we go along with plans to let the w.h.o. along with plans to let the who. call the next pandemic w.h.o. call the next pandemic and lay down the laws? we'll all be ordered to obey? is that another so called conspiracy theory ? you know, the sort of theory? you know, the sort of conspiracy theory that comes true like so many true eventually like so many others. why aren't they asking questions of this? questions about all of this? because we are as the saying goes, after all. fool me once . goes, after all. fool me once. shame on you. fool me twice . shame on you. fool me twice. shame on you. fool me twice. shame on you. fool me twice. shame on me . that's my opinion.

shame on me. that's my opinion. of course , as. and you're free of course, as. and you're free to disagree with me. keep your tweets and emails coming all through the show. you can email gb views at gbnews.uk and you can tweet me as well at gb news. and i'll try to get to some of your comments later in the show. i'm joined by filmmaker and director of the education charity world, right, carrie dingle and podcast star and education specialist. compute welcome both. always good to see both of you. kerry why did so many people become so compliant, so unquestioning ? well, it's so unquestioning? well, it's interesting , actually, because, interesting, actually, because, you know, people like it. and i start talking about a covid inquiry. but we've seen this before. you know, hillsborough , before. you know, hillsborough, the lies about hillsborough, it took 20 years for an inquiry to tell us what we already knew. and i think we are seeing what we already new lockdown was carnage in so many ways . but i carnage in so many ways. but i think there's a broader problem of conformism and fear of questioning things. and i think

we should be careful to not not to just blame the messenger. you know, you talk about mainstream media. well, gb news is part of mainstream media. i would find questions it will ask, but that's the great thing about gb news is you can ask questions and people like you are on there. people like me are on there. people like me are on there. i think even youtube has joined mainstream media on so many ways. facebook, the kind when i made a film called spreaders about the, you know, vilified nation of young people as spreaders . every time that as spreaders. every time that trailer went up, you'd get a covid health warning with it. every time i questioned climate change, i'd call to a denier and a redirection to a government site on climate change comes up. so there is a culture of conformism. everyone looks over their shoulder , ofcom. there is their shoulder, ofcom. there is fear . people their shoulder, ofcom. there is fear. people do get cancelled and i understand that. but i think where we can, we have to ask big questions and you do that. having said that, i'm i

don't think that there was some great prejudice against ripa saying existing cheap drugs like ivermectin couldn't mention the names. no you couldn't. as it came to a certain point where that was vilified, too. and it's very weird and i'm interested to know why . why was something like know why. why was something like argument over in something that on one side those who are very sceptical rightly sceptical of lockdown suddenly latched on to ivermectin as a big cure. and on the other side, those of the government policy ivermectin was the demon that couldn't be spoken about . so it's spoken about. so it's interesting that a drug become a political focal point . and i political focal point. and i don't think it i don't think either had the answers . and it either had the answers. and it certainly should have been discussed unconnected to the fact that because ivermectin was beyond patent restrictions and could be produced cheaply by any genetic manufacturer, of course, if ivermectin cost $2 for the world health organisation

remdesivir , which was brought in remdesivir, which was brought in as a kind of either raked in 2.0, which has its own questionable hanging over about safety is $3,000 a course? no, i see. follow the money. whether you ask the question. five was one shut down and the other was promoted. well, we have got with the aids drugs, though, we had that patent and that being challenged, tom, people were but and i don't think we should just assume cheap is good although you're not wrong. you know some of the drugs are ludicrous pricing . but of the drugs are ludicrous pricing. but i of the drugs are ludicrous pricing . but i don't think we pricing. but i don't think we should assume that cheap and available to necessarily work. how do we inspire you? education you're a very positive , forward you're a very positive, forward looking person. how do we inspire people to that? they have the power and the obligation, the response , obligation, the response, ability to ask questions . it's ability to ask questions. it's a positive thing to do . positive thing to do. absolutely. say it's great to see kerry providing the challenge. back to your monologue. this evening, you save me the job. the look of the exocet missile of truth. tonight

neil, in your monologue actually is the dangers of groupthink. i mean, you seeing it in spades when you look at these whatsapp messages, i think i'll avoid for now, talk about the cesspit of narcissism that runs like a golden thread through a lot of it. but i think the danger here and we've all got to accept this, that , you know, this virus this, that, you know, this virus breaks out in just so happens in authoritarian china. interestingly, the cia now have come out and said that the likely leak for this virus came from the national virology centre in wuhan. remember anyone who suggested that was put up in lights as a conspiracy theorist? now we've got the central intelligence agency saying that's why, you know, refer to your monologue as a exocet missile of truth, because i think what you're exposing here this evening and we all need to anyone is involved in the anyone who is involved in the media, in public policy, in positions of leadership. look, i have this as an education is having to deal with the

department for education around the of exams. the cancellation of exams. my instinct was actually given that, ireland went that, for example, ireland went ahead physical ahead with physical examinations. actually, some parts of germany went ahead with some physical examinations. i push back on that at the time with some of the big decision makers , but it was made very makers, but it was made very clear to me that when dealing with the department for education and with number ten, that was not the accepted narrative wouldn't be narrative that that wouldn't be a career hunting move a particular career hunting move for buick and i think we've for tom buick and i think we've all got caught up in the maelstrom, frankly, of that kind of groupthink. and that's something we need to challenge going forward. so i'm being told that we're already minutes behind how fast behind schedule. that's how fast that so we've got that happens to be. so we've got a coming after which a break coming now, after which i'll to the former i'll be speaking to the former presenter miller about presenter stephen miller about his recent personal his family's recent and personal experience of care home visiting guidelines during the pandemic.

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. as i said in my monologue , i . as i said in my monologue, i maintain that questions remain to be asked about what actually happened to people in care homes with covid 19. i believe we are obuged with covid 19. i believe we are obliged to ask questions if we are properly to understand what happened to them by learn from mistakes and make sure no such things happen again in the future . my next guest tonight is future. my next guest tonight is stephen miller, broadcaster and commentator who says the condition of his own mum, a care home resident, the terrier rated severely because of the covid policies. good evening, stephen. hello . neil to policies. good evening, stephen. hello. neil to join policies. good evening, stephen. hello . neil to join you policies. good evening, stephen. hello. neil to join you . policies. good evening, stephen. hello . neil to join you . thanks hello. neil to join you. thanks for being here. tell me about your mum and what you saw happen to her. reliving this whole experience today as i was preparing for this interview was quite it brings all the emotion back and usually i'm a very forthright individual as many people know. so what i did, i did the timeline i had to do it

so i could recall it. and in 2019, my mum went into a care home with mid—stage dementia. we visited every single day as a family. we're very close and we wanted to see my mum. then the pandemic hit and we it was suddenly lockdown. so we were completely cut off. the care home. who, who are great at the time actually they were terrified. they were absolutely terrified, as were the staff. so my mum had gone from this contact with her family and she still at that time knew to suddenly no contact at all. so she was becoming star blvd of any contact but emotionally starved of any contact with me , starved of any contact with me, my sister and my dad . now, as my sister and my dad. now, as time went on, of course , then we time went on, of course, then we had that time where it was, you know, if you need to go into a care home, it will still admit you to a care home. and the testing wasn't being done or

whatever. and at that point , i whatever. and at that point, i freely say that i had a mini breakdown. i mean, it just affected me so badly. the good news for me, though, i was one of the lucky wants because the care home director was very responsible and decided no admissions. so no further admissions. so no further admissions. he didn't allow any further admissions from march until august. so i was lucky . until august. so i was lucky. but during that time, as as hard as the care home staff and the carers worked, my mum was denied access to her family and i would say photos and i would look at her and i'd think she's fading hair and it was just horrendous to say she was, she was losing weight . the face, i could just weight. the face, i could just see it and she was just fading away and i thought, you know what? my mum could die and i'm not going to be able to say goodbye to her. it was a rendus .then goodbye to her. it was a rendus . then of course, what happened along this journey? i was very lucky because my partner took over and. and the i was one of

the ones. i say this the lucky ones. i say this because of care homes did because a lot of care homes did not responsibly either . but not act responsibly either. but my and mum's care home did. so what happened was i was a it was agreed that my partner would call the care home every single day and they would give my partner an update and they would diamond's in the way they did that. it really saved me about time. what i decided to do, i had to fight back. i thought, this is wrong. this is wrong. and i had to fight back and set up my own mini campaign. and it was kind of like very therapeutic for me. and then i started to hear from all the families and some of the stories that were just horrendous. and at fast track a little bit even when the residents in some care homes were jumped and the with the ppe was available in the testing was available . even then testing was available. even then , it wasn't good enough for some care homes. so you had families that were sort of saying, look, i've done everything up in

japanese. i've done everything up in japanese . i've i've had a test, japanese. i've i've had a test, i'm clear. i'll wear the ppe and all that sort of stuff. what about and what about stephen? what about see your things as simple as vitamin d , which we've simple as vitamin d, which we've always known boosts health boosts immune systems. what about some of the you know, what was your mother able to be out in the i don't know what the circumstances were out of the care home. was that any of that simple care going on when you're talking about the care home secretary generally or medicine generally, it's about keys and trolley . the medicine trolley trolley. the medicine trolley rules . so when you're talking rules. so when you're talking about some like vitamin d, of course, you and i know that that helps. and to be fair to mother, to my mom , when she could , i did to my mom, when she could, i did take her out. but she was she was fine. my mum was fading and she if actually became bedbound . but i was i was looking. but one of the key things here that

really annoys me is that matt hancock's so called, you know, going on telly and families will be reunited with their loved ones and all of this sort of stuff was absolute. well, i, i can't say what i feel about it because it's not the watershed, but it was just nonsense . it but it was just nonsense. it wasn't happening right across the care sector and as i say, i was one of the lucky ones. so i don't want to not the care home. my mum's in, but what happen neil as well was there were families that were breaking. they would break in. their hearts were breaking and because some of the families some families would question care homes they care homes were threatening to evict the residents . so if a threatening to evict the residents. so if a family was if a family was saying, i really concern look, i'm just i'm clear, i'll test. don't wear whatever you want. no no, no, no. still not good enough in many care homes. but then you've got matt hancock telling

everybody and helen whiteley , everybody and helen whiteley, right? oh, yes. it's all great because everything's coming together now and people can go in and see their loved ones and we're bringing people together again. we can , stephen. we again. we can, stephen. we can't. we can't. being told that it was a fast moving situation and you know, and therefore the system had to keep on changing its ideas and changing its regulations to suit you. do you buy that? is that what you saw happening in the case of your specific care, who you like ? do specific care, who you like? do i? absolutely not. let me repeat . if someone if a family member is jabbed , they have tested is jabbed, they have tested negative , they're wearing ppe negative, they're wearing ppe and they're still having to do they still have to do a window visit. what we did in this country , in many parts of the country, in many parts of the care system, we emotionally starved our elderly. that's what happened. starved our elderly. that's what happened . and when people are happened. and when people are living with dementia back

contact with their family is essential and care homes were terrified . i don't just i'm not terrified. i don't just i'm not into blaming the care homes because they were terrified. what matt hancock and helen whiteley did not do, in my opinion , was be more bold and opinion, was be more bold and you only needed to say was if a relative is negative , if they're relative is negative, if they're jabbed, they're wearing ppe , jabbed, they're wearing ppe, they go through the door , they they go through the door, they hold their hand of their loved one, and that's what he should have done and that's what helen whiteley should have done as well. i didn't. they us well. i didn't. they failed us and failed thousands of and they failed thousands of people , thousands of care people, thousands of care residents . sadly many of whom residents. sadly many of whom died not of covid. they died of a broken heart. they died of emotional starvation . they were emotional starvation. they were losing weight. they would becoming ill. they're becoming proud. the photo that i've seen. it's heartbreaking . it's heartbreaking. unfortunately, i will never , unfortunately, i will never, ever be able to forgive matt hancock and helen white for that. steven terry, i've got kerry dingle in the studio here.

we'd like to ask you a question yourself, steven i'm very sympathetic to your experience , sympathetic to your experience, which is obviously true for very, very many people. but i want to do you think i mean, obviously we've seen with the whatsapp messages, you know, hancock , etc, drunk on the hancock, etc, drunk on the tyranny of power and authoritarianism . but do you authoritarianism. but do you think there is a broader culture of age ism that is problematic here and in your view, have we come to a situation in where care homes , which is supposed to care homes, which is supposed to be a home where you've got extra care because people can't manage with a family member, for example , or why have they become example, or why have they become places you go and die ? well, you places you go and die? well, you are. you're absolutely okay . are. you're absolutely okay. you're home. should not be god's waiting room. it shouldn't just seen as that and coming back to matt hancock and helen whiteley, they just failed families. why i

don't know. maybe the power went to their heads and maybe they were terrified as well. but the one thing i resent massively is well , as many one thing i resent massively is well, as many things. but the one thing i resent with matt hancock and helen whiteley is all of kind of you were all of this kind of you were bringing families and reuniting them with their loved ones into care homes. again it was absolute codswallop that was not happening. and when poor families were begging care, homes , they were begging care homes, they were begging care homes, they were begging care homes to in and see their loved one because they thought they could no get that the job that they tested negative and all of that some care homes out there were threatened to evict i.e. throw out their loved one throw out their loved one, shame on them as well. broadcaster and commentator stephen miller is at heart felt passionate testament. and i'm sure if what you're seeing tonight will resonate in thousands and thousands of homes up the country. thank up and down the country. thank you so much your time been you so much for your time been in touch with care england who said available for

said nobody was available for interview us the interview but sent us the following statement. homes interview but sent us the follorong statement. homes interview but sent us the folloron the atement. homes interview but sent us the folloron the frontent. homes interview but sent us the folloron the front line homes interview but sent us the folloron the front line of homes interview but sent us the folloron the front line of the mes were on the front line of the covid and tragically, covid pandemic and tragically, thousands people died without thousands of people died without their and ones their relatives and loved ones being to be with them at being able to be with them at the end their lives. care the end of their lives. care homes required by to homes are required by law to down did this . but in down and they did this. but in order to protect the vulnerable people, they support support . people, they support support. tom, how do you respond that? i mean, i've got a lot of empathy with that from the point of view of what we do know about covid is that the most vulnerable group near the average age of a covid death was, i think, 82, although most of those are years old. most of those go back will survive. but the point is, this was a very vulnerable group. and actually, i when inquiry actually, i when the inquiry just eventually underway, just eventually got underway, i hope focuses actually hope it really focuses actually what around the whole what happened around the whole ppe scandal , the fact that we ppe scandal, the fact that we had people being released from hospital into care homes. but i'll just say this and it was i do think some of that's not come up in this important discussion so at the time, the polling so far at the time, the polling showed the public were

showed that the public were behind stricter behind arguably stricter lockdowns. just had a poll lockdowns. we've just had a poll that's come from yougov , that's come out from yougov, which has actually said that about a third in hindsight think we weren't strict enough with lockdown . so you've got to ask lockdown. so you've got to ask this question. were the politicians to some extent just following the polls as opposed to leading issue? another to leading on the issue? another break is upon us. so it was time of chasing here. after that, we'll be discussing the drugs used the very early stages used in the very early stages of, don't go of, the pandemic. don't go anywhere .

well to new all over life. we're talking about covid again. and for me, one of the crucial questions was just how were people treated in care homes and elsewhere? what were they treated with? doctors around the world wanted to talk about the positive effects that seen with cheap available drugs, including but not limited either but not limited to either medicine hydroxychloroquine medicine and hydroxychloroquine . joining me now to tell his own story is dr. edmund fordham ,

story is dr. edmund fordham, physicist and engineer. good evening, edwin. thanks for joining us. good evening, neil. can you hear me? i can indeed. i can , indeed. now, as someone who can, indeed. now, as someone who had to survive cancer at what was your feeling when covid arrived on the scene? what was your gut reaction ? well you your gut reaction? well you know, neil, when it first hit, i took most of the stuff that we were being fed in the media at face value, more or less. and i said to myself, hey , i'm said to myself, hey, i'm supposed to be a vulnerable person here. i'm male. i'm the wrong side of 65. or if i'm to survive, to have a major immune system, cancer, what do i do if i actually get thing? and it wasn't very long, however, before i discovered that there was an awful lot that i could do. and you know, looking after my immune health support with vitamins , zinc and so on. and vitamins, zinc and so on. and very quickly, i turned up some of the early work on the

hydroxycut raquin and. i said, well, okay, you know there's a whole load of stuff i can do. i don't really need to be that scared of it . why aren't we scared of it. why aren't we using these things ? so that was using these things? so that was my that was my initial reaction because my, my feeling about all of that was because those drugs like ivermectin and like hydroxychloroquine, had proved and track records of safety that for many people, if they wanted , take them perhaps the worst that might happen would be that they would get no beneficial effect but no harm. so i could not understand why people were simply option to give simply given the option to give it a try. know, at that it a try. you know, at that point when supposedly we didn't know we were know enough and we were floundering dark, you floundering in the dark, you know , use whatever tools are know, you use whatever tools are available . absolutely available. absolutely i completely agree with that, neil. and that was what i assumed , you know, hey, it might assumed, you know, hey, it might not work, but you're not going to come to any harm if it's a proven to be safe medicine . and proven to be safe medicine. and instead , what we did was the

instead, what we did was the opposite somewhere on god, there was , you know, a notice that was, you know, a notice that said, oh , hydroxychloroquine said, oh, hydroxychloroquine must not be used except in clinical trials. and we had even junior doctors were on to the bbc to say that this was a dangerous medicine and it was highly toxic and, you know, you've got to be very careful about it. now one bit about my background is that i was brought up in eastern africa and i first took chloroquine, the older variant of hydroxychloroquine, i think at the age of eight years old as an anti malaria prophylactic . so this was a prophylactic. so this was a medicine that was dished out routinely to children . and then routinely to children. and then we had doctors on the bbc saying it was a dangerous and toxic drug. rubbish this was complete nonsense . so there was obviously nonsense. so there was obviously a lot of blunt league propaganda that was going on behind this and that got me worried. there was a lot of fuss made with hydroxychloroquine about the

so—called q t problem man hydroxychloroquine about the so—called qt problem man q hydroxychloroquine about the so—called q t problem man qt hydroxychloroquine about the so—called q t problem man q t is basically the interval between one part of an electrocardiogram and another. it's the length of the heartbeat, and it does tend to lengthen the heartbeat . and to lengthen the heartbeat. and of course, if you've got some complicated heart condition, then it might be contraindicated for you . but your doctor would for you. but your doctor would know about that. so the safety issues around hydroxycut were quite, i thought massively overblown. and but i did shift my own attention later on to ivermectin because i could see that hydroxychloroquine , at that hydroxychloroquine, at least in the uk, was politically tainted in a way that was not going to lead to it. it's mainstream acceptance , so and mainstream acceptance, so and ivermectin course is an even safer drug with an absolutely , safer drug with an absolutely, you know, stellar safety record over literally billions of doses. billions not no , doses. billions not no, millions, billions and so, you

know, you can look these things up.the know, you can look these things up. the who. has pharmacovigilance database and it's very, very safe . so let's it's very, very safe. so let's not argue about the quantitative metrics of how effective it is. why don't we giving patients the opportunity to access these medicines? that's the question . medicines? that's the question. i'm very pushed for time tonight. dr. edmund fordham, physicist and engineer , but physicist and engineer, but thank you very much for that vital insight into your own personal experience. thank you for me. i i should see forjoining me. i i should see a there have been large scale trials of over two and obliged to read the following a large randomised controlled trial published in october 2022 in the journal jama network found no significant difference between patients treated with and placebo and was described by yale medical professor perry wilson as the final nail in the coffin for ivermectin as a treatment for covid. that's a statement that i'm obliged to read out as i see. joining me

next to continue the debate is dr. roland salman, former director of communicable diseases for public health wales . good evening and thank you very much . good evening. you very much. good evening. you know , my previous guest know, my previous guest mentioned over and other off label drugs had lots of hydroxychloroquine for covid. what is your reaction to that ? i what is your reaction to that? i think we both hoped we'd all hope that both of these drugs would, if you like, represent magic bullets. as you point out , they were already licenced for other use . and the safety record other use. and the safety record certainly of ivermectin was very good of hydroxychloroquine. i thought your previous guest was a bit optimistic really. and i tookit a bit optimistic really. and i took it as an anti—malarial, as well and it tastes disgusting and you have to have your eyes checked from time time. checked from time to time. however, leaving that aside, clinical been clinical trials have been conducted. that's the gold standard way of looking at actually all these things going to not. maybe being to work or not. maybe being unwelcome diversion. i think it's pretty clear because it was in the recovery trial that hydroxychloroquine doesn't work.

never all the political never mind all the political noise around it that was carried out. and it doesn't . so i think out. and it doesn't. so i think we have to say, unfortunately, that isn't the case. in that isn't the case. bear in mind same trial had found mind that same trial had found that dexamethasone did work. so it to me being done in an it seems to me being done in an open minded fashion. ivermectin, i is more i think is a bit more complicated. the earlier a meta analysis were quite promising . analysis were quite promising. but as more and more data has been added to the metro analysis , the effects have got less and less . so if we , the effects have got less and less. so if we think of , the effects have got less and less . so if we think of metro less. so if we think of metro analysis of the way of approaching these problems , this approaching these problems, this is always a bad sign . and indeed is always a bad sign. and indeed it's when they were looking at cardiac rhythm drugs in the 19805 cardiac rhythm drugs in the 1980s and finding things they thought were wonderful, things were actually nothing of the sort and indeed that sort and indeed dangerous that this whole method came into use . i can, i can. i wrote eventually . you go, neil. you eventually. you go, neil. you want to say you can read. i can readily counter you. you see you see that the you know, the jury's back in and the ivermectin doesn't work. you know, i think i can. i can i can

really catch that out from ivermectin. and i'd like to see what the principle trial comes up with. what was the i can six with university organised one which as far as i know has reported i can count, i can countin reported i can count, i can count in 2021. satoshi omura who was one of the he was one of the two scientists who came up with ivermectin . he's an is a nobel ivermectin. he's an is a nobel prize for medicine winner. and in a statement in the japanese journal for antibiotics in march 2021, he said that there were many tests that had absolutely demonstrated the efficacy of either method. and in relation to treating covid as an early treatment and a prophylaxis , he treatment and a prophylaxis, he said was based on a on 42 said it was based on a on 42 tests and he said this is the guy that invented the drug . but guy that invented the drug. but in such a comprehensive review , in such a comprehensive review, the chances of an error either finding that ivermectin was effective , the chances of an effective, the chances of an error, what, one in 4 trillion know you and i can confess for about contrasting and conflict in data. i would simply say that the question of whether or not

ivermectin works is not settled. and if we are to act as a science dictate switches with sceptical interrogation at all times, we have to remain open minded until further notice at the very least . yeah, i mean, i the very least. yeah, i mean, i don't disagree with any of that. i would say you're invoking the japanese scientist is a bit like sort of my experts bigger than your expert . so perhaps it isn't your expert. so perhaps it isn't a very driven way of a very data driven way of looking the problem with with looking at the problem with with all but my own view all respect, but my own view about ivermectin is it's in the principle trial that's being by the scientists at oxford it's global. we ought to see what reports , as i say, it has an reports, as i say, it has an admirable safety record and i would be delighted to find that it was effective. i think it's a couple of things. perhaps to bearin couple of things. perhaps to bear in mind to here it may be effective in some measure if it was a miracle drug that have showed up by now, because the work that has been done would have demonstrated very high measurable effects. and i think we perhaps ought to keep that at the back of our minds. so if we're waiting, we're probably

not losing a lot. but on that, are credible, reasonable tests from highly credentialed professionals that the efficacy of ivermectin and others but ivermectin specifically anywhere between 50 and high it is% effective early treatment and prophylaxis times against it. again former director of communicable diseases for public wales dr. alan sum thank you so much for taking part this both of you how do you feel listening to that carry you know one person says oh it doesn't work and then there's conflicting data that says quite the contrary, we are we. well, i actually thought that the last doctor was , you know, very doctor was, you know, very honest , very doctor was, you know, very honest, very clear. i mean, they both were obviously . but the both were obviously. but the last one, the point about, for example , the principle trial, example, the principle trial, i mean , my only query would be why mean, my only query would be why hasn't the principal trial reported when it on three of the other drugs that it's tested. but having said so maybe you know he's right they're going to

come out they have over 42,000 have undertaken ivermectin tests . so let's have hope we find out efficacy one way or the other, which would be a good i don't think there's a huge prejudice against this drug. well, i think over endowing it with i think i would say don't get carried away that we found a golden bullet . that we found a golden bullet. tom, do you not remember the mere mention of the word ivan and was verboten and still is when so when katie says there was no prejudice against that , was no prejudice against that, surely that was. and i refer you again to the fact that because it was beyond patent, it was $2 a course, $2 a treatment compared to $3,000 a course for remdesivir . it isn't obvious why remdesivir. it isn't obvious why merck and the other pharmaceuticals were so keen to get ivermectin away from everybody's attention. reach well, that's all we have. the phrase big pharma. and again, i think we need to understand some of those forces. but as a layperson, i'm not a clinician. i think as a member of the

public, you have to put some in these clinicians to go through these clinicians to go through these trials, to report these trials faithfully and the relevant medical journals and for the policy makers to respond accordingly . it's i think it's accordingly. it's i think it's difficult to ask the public to intervene in a debate that there are a nobel laureate scientist, one of the two that invented the drug when he had nothing more financially to gain from it, was able to see that the kind of tests that had demonstrated the efficacy of ivermectin in treating covid 19 that the chances of error in this test, the 42 tests that he was aware of was one in 4 trillion. now, i would say that that means that he has very strong scientific data to support the absolute efficacy of ivermectin . but it efficacy of ivermectin. but it would be the first time a nobel prize winners think about economists who disagree with each other have different hypotheses. so i actually hypotheses. so i think actually the you raised the central point you raised there with the clinician was this issue about should this issue about we should remain the science remain sceptical. the science isn't about the promotion of a monoculture and really what perhaps should happen, maybe patients should be given the

choice, the associated choice, but the associated risks of treatments that of the different treatments that are available and i'm going to have because we're up have to get it because we're up against again. against time again. so very quickly, quickly, there . quickly, very quickly, there. all point about it, not being all my point about it, not being necessarily prejudiced against ivermectin was a because there were 16 different trials that were 16 different trials that were referred to , 13 were were referred to, 13 were accepted, three would set as dodgy and there was not proven efficacy . there are now seven efficacy. there are now seven drugs available on the nhs and in the community that are being used.i in the community that are being used. i can't see why they ditch either acting just in favour of a super expensive one unless you think all driven by the costs going to have to put enough people to the loads more to come in 2 minutes or maybe

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country . we'll catch up with country. we'll catch up with a 67 year old jockey. puckish, what a shoplifter in his store. only to be told by police to release the trick or face prosecution. we'll find out how a naughty spaniel rejected by the four corners managed to land himself a job lives is himself a job saving lives is now one of the most successful medical detection in medical detection dogs in britain. of and more coming britain. all of and more coming up. but first, update on the up. but first, an update on the latest from armstrong latest news from an armstrong armstrong . armstrong. good evening to you. let's get you up to date with the latest from gb newsroom. the duke of sussex says some british soldiers were not necessarily supportive of military efforts in afghanistan . live streamed in afghanistan. live streamed interview with trauma therapist dr. gabor. marty prince harry says he didn't align the west dunng says he didn't align the west during the conflict . in his during the conflict. in his memoir, the duke of sussex described killing 25 taliban fighters in afghanistan as chess pieces. take it off the board.

one of the reasons why certainly so many people in the united kingdom were not supportive of our troops was because they assumed that everybody that was serving was for the war. but no , once you sign up, you do what you're told to do. and so there was a lot of us that didn't necessarily agree or disagree. but you were doing what you were trained to do. you're doing what you were sent to do . new you were sent to do. new messages involving matt hancock reveal how the former health secretary battled to save his job after footage of him embracing colleague gina colin d'angelo emerged during lockdown . a string of messages published in the daily telegraph illustrate how hancock tried to find exception to the rules to justify his behaviour . hancock justify his behaviour. hancock initially wanted to claim no rules were broken, then decided to apologise for breaking lockdown guidance before finally tendering his resignation two days later . tendering his resignation two days later. boris johnson may be

facing a fight to save his political career following the findings of a report into partygate. the commons privileges committee say there's significant new evidence that johnson misled mps over lockdown parties on several occasions and it would have been obvious to him and his colleagues they were breaking the rules. mr. johnson says it was his belief all guidance had been followed . new guidance had been followed. new powers to crack down, small boats crossing the channel are expected to be announced by the government next week. the legislation is expected to make asylum claims inadmissible from those who travel to the uk on small boats . the home office small boats. the home office would then be required to remove those migrants to rwanda or a safe country, and they'd be banned from returning to the uk . the number of people killed by a russian strike in the southern ukrainian city of operation has risen to 11. emergency services there say they recovered a woman's body in the debris this morning. a child was amongst those killed in thursday's strike on the five storey

residential building the uk is in for a cold snap next week with temperatures expected to drop below freezing . monday and drop below freezing. monday and tuesday will see lows of minus three in scotland , minus two in three in scotland, minus two in the northwest and east of england. yellow weather warnings will be in place for snow and ice from early on monday to late on tuesday. that's across northern scotland and northeast england . tv, online and dab+ england. tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's back to neil oliver live . back to neil oliver live. and yet another welcome back to neil over life . like great neil over life. like great britain tonight has a story to tell of love and loss and also of perseverance and hope. i would say we always need to be reminded of light, the darkness and carl and mayling is undoubtedly worth listening to

with that in mind. caitlin joins me now. thanks for coming out to the tell me about your daughter , rosie. my daughter, she was she was the age. she was bright . she was talented. and we had a pretty much perfect life, really . when she was 11. and she had an older sister as well. it was 14. and when she was 11 and she was actually rehearsing a pantomime, she was a young performer, live on a theatre school in maidenhead and she got suddenly very sick. she was just rehearsing panto and she had to come off the show. it just come manifested itself like a chest infection and then it took hold and it didn't get better. and then eventually she had to. she came off the show and, she was diagnosed eventually after several months with vasculitis . several months with vasculitis. and how long then was that? was

the process of up and next process of what happened next. so from the time that she started getting ill, it was about three and a half, four months and then eventually she had a ct scan and she was told we were told that we had to get her up to oxford very, very quickly, blue lighted, because she had pulmonary embolisms on the on the arteries going into her lungs . she up at her lungs. so she was up at oxford and from being a perfectly child, had perfectly normal child, had never life, she was never been in in a life, she was suddenly we were suddenly kind of thrust into this hospital environment with a lot of very six didn't know six children. and we didn't know what happening it's, you what was happening. it's, as you describe , a perfect life that describe, a perfect life that went before . how how do cope went before. how how do cope when you're suddenly out, a trap door opens and you're and you fall into a completely different reality? we were sort of in this kind of in this very strange space.it kind of in this very strange space. it was like a normal life kind of existence. i thought outside the hospital walls and we were kind of living this kind

of it was like an existence measured by medical procedures, really. and we just kind of coping day to day during the hospital time . and then we were hospital time. and then we were told that rosie would have to have an operation to see what was going on. we thought it might be cancer. it turned out it wasn't. and so we were kind of rejoicing. but then they said, cancer , said, well, it's not cancer, it's blood clot. and we were thinking , it's blood clot. and we were thinking, god for that. it's just blood clot. they can get it out. but within three days, two days, the blood clots came back and then they started to wonder what on earth was going on. and that was when they actually discovered that she had vasculitis not only a disease vasculitis is not only a disease which affects the blood vessels and then things took the ultimate the worse. ultimate turn for the worse. yeah. so she was in hospital a long time and she was eventually discharged . i'm heavily discharged. i'm heavily medicated , desperate to get back medicated, desperate to get back to school. she was a performer. she was desperate to get back to her friends. she home for six days. she wasn't well . and then days. she wasn't well. and then

one morning she got up and she went i'm just going downstairs and we play on the computer and we heard her coughing. and then suddenly she went, mummy, mummy i'm coughing up blood. and we, we basically rushed her up to the john ratcliffe at oxford . the john ratcliffe at oxford. she had a cardiac arrest, she had a pulmonary haemorrhage , and had a pulmonary haemorrhage, and she went straight into intensive , spent nine days on a ventilator and then gradually over the nine days, we know they lost hope and. they said that she was brainstem dead and we had to turn the machine off. how did you move through that quagmire that that you then find yourself. and so we that's myself, my ex—husband . we went myself, my ex—husband. we went home. we just we were kind of sent off. there was no kind of proper support at that time, the parents like us. so we were kind of sent off with a pile of papers saying how to register the death of a child, sent back home and went, now my husband

had two days had a heart attack two days after died from stress after rosie died from the stress of the few months and. and of the last few months and. and then we were this horrendous then we were in this horrendous of he came out of it and of void. he came out of it and we got through the funeral and then we went. now what? i said, something good has to come out of this. so, in fact, on the on the afternoon of her funeral , we the afternoon of her funeral, we had a celebration of her life at. a we've got a theatre over in ascot now, the celebration of her life and all her friends were there reading poems. and so on. you felt almost right on. and you felt almost right away in the book you away this in the in the book you have you've written about this. you know, the future is rosy and you felt a spiritual connection to rosie completely wrote that. so rosie loved coloured stripes . she was very kind of vivacious, vivid, the child and she loved to wear rainbow stripes on the afternoon of the celebration , i said, i said to celebration, i said, i said to a friend who was standing by the theatre, i said, we've got to we've got to do something. so, you know, so that her life wasn't for nothing and. i looked up outside theatre

up outside the theatre and there's double over there's this double rainbow over there's this double rainbow over the the theatre. and the top of the theatre. and i said, that's it. as roses rainbow. so we set up roses rainbow fund, which is a charity, provides music therapy , children in hospital , very sick children in hospital . but you felt did you know there message rosie? there was a message from rosie? what should come next about what after that? yes yes, yes. so we had this awful void , our life, had this awful void, our life, and we didn't know what to do. and then one day i heard her voice in my head and i saw picture of a baby. and i heard her voice going, you can do this, mummy. you can do this go and do and this picture of and do it. and this picture of this wouldn't away . and this baby wouldn't go away. and i got to have i thought, i've got to have another it wasn't to another baby. it wasn't to replace rosie nothing replace rosie because nothing replace rosie because nothing replace our child who was actually by everybody . actually adored by everybody. but we you know, a life but we thought you know, a life is better than no life . and is better than no life. and actually, if we can have , actually, if we can have, something that will give us a future. and we need to we need to and go down this route. but i was at the time . and was very old at the time. and the solution that presented that. so was this the solution

that. so was this the solution that presented itself ivf. so we went down the ivf route , went down the ivf route, although i was nearly 50. so we had we actually did . to two had we actually did. to two cycles with my sister's eggs, which actually didn't work and. theni which actually didn't work and. then i turned 50 and i kind of knew that it was going to happen. i felt i just felt it was preordained. and so i had to keep going and then eventually found a clinic in street that would treat women over 50. so i said, right we'll do that then. so the clinic said, yes, we can do this, but there's a three year waiting list or you can go to cyprus. so i said, alright, do that. so so we had , we found do that. so so we had, we found an egg donor who was actually from moldova , had the treatment from moldova, had the treatment in london , flew out to cyprus , in london, flew out to cyprus, which was the sister hospital of this london clinic , and had the this london clinic, and had the embryo transfer her and the guy who was doing the transplant said, you know, this is going to

work. and i went, don't say that. after this rollercoaster, we we'd have 45 years like we we'd have 45 years of like hell no, no, no, hell. and he said, no, no, no, i think this is going to work. and lo and behold he said, go home, do a pregnancy test in nine days and i was pregnant and no, you do you have in your life. so now ihave do you have in your life. so now i have this gorgeous little boy not little negative anymore called dominic. he was born when i was 54 and he is amazing. he's 40 now and he's taller than me. he's six foot shorter at that picture, which is there is you've written about this the because i'm frightened to read books like this because of the unthinkable. that's the unthinkable. that's the unthinkable. that's the unthinkable. that's between the pages. but there's also so more as well. there is . what is your as well. there is. what is your message to the world? well, in my book, i kind of tried to make it like an inspiring message so that people don't give up, so that, you know, so that despite devastating trauma, whatever happens , them, you know, you can

happens, them, you know, you can actually achieve something that actually achieve something that actually give you actually is going to give you a future. and that is quite a story , is it? no, it's pretty story, is it? no, it's pretty traumatic . story, is it? no, it's pretty traumatic. but i story, is it? no, it's pretty traumatic . but i love the traumatic. but i love the optimism and the hope that you end up with and it's so great that older women can have babies actually. and not just older blokes . so actually. and not just older blokes. so all in the book mean i sit with with great britain's we do many times yeah they're all different but story of the possibility hope out of darkness is what is uplifting and of course we're both fathers as well. i mean, i'll be celebrating actually my daughter's 13th celebrating actually my daughter's13th birthday, so it's just unimaginable . all even it's just unimaginable. all even the of losing a child the thoughts of losing a child and you know was listening to you there and you're holding book and i will have a look at that later i didn't detect any bitterness in what you were describing . you know, you describing. you know, you didn't, for example, say that perhaps clinicians could have done more save rosie, a sense done more to save rosie, a sense that , you know, you've obviously that, you know, you've obviously been journey of processing been on a journey of processing that but you've turned

that trauma, but you've turned that trauma, but you've turned that into something that trauma into something positive . dominic, obviously positive. dominic, obviously a beautiful teenage age, just a few years younger than my eldest teenage son. so it's just a fantastic story and you know, when we talk about great britain's here, what really makes them great, i think, is that that sense of , whatever has that that sense of, whatever has happenedin that that sense of, whatever has happened in your life you don't have to become the victim you can move forward. thank you for that. so we're running out of time . i can listen to so much time. i can listen to so much more of this author and founder of rosie's rainbow fund, carolyn mailing , thank you so much. mailing, thank you so much. you're a great britain . you you're a great britain. you embody the spirit. yeah, absolutely thank you. after break, we'll meet two members of the charity hospital she clean eat has so far over 80 emergency vehicles and over half a million poundsin vehicles and over half a million pounds in medical aid to the war torn country .

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year now, soldiers uncivil have been dying in ukraine. people from all walks of life and all around the world have and motivated to get involved, offering any help they can . my offering any help they can. my next guests up a charity to swiftly provide aid particularly ambulance and other emergency vehicles . justin hughes, an vehicles. justin hughes, an expert raf and biotech ceo . alex expert raf and biotech ceo. alex pottery guru, pronounced that adequately founder of hospital of ukraine aid. join me now. welcome both. welcome tell me about the charity hospitals and what it does. charity hospitals. it's volunteers, civil people from all walks of life in ukraine who have joined together to provide medical assistance on the front lines in ukraine. at the front lines in ukraine. at the moment we have over 600 volunteers who operate across the whole front line starting from the north—east and south in in the midst of a war situation

with so much so many moving parts , so much help need. how parts, so much help need. how did you go about pinpointing for help? that was you felt was required and that you might be in a position to help provide ? i in a position to help provide? i mean, when the war started like myself, because i'm ukrainian originally , but i live in the uk originally, but i live in the uk for quite a long. i have lived in the uk for quite a long time. when the war started, i was complete shock. like many, many other people and i started to think, how can best help and think, how can i best help and support country? and support my country? and i started to look for supporting various organisations and i did a little bit of research on ukraine and. then i came across this group of volunteer paramedics that's a civil people or civil professions, any profession you can think of different ages , different different ages, different backgrounds , who came together backgrounds, who came together to undergo a very, very short first aid training so they can go on the front lines , start go on the front lines, start saving lives of people, soldiers, you name it. and then the main challenge those people

was funding because those people are not part of the government, not part of the army. they just like you and me and just coming and jumping in the car and, driving away and they had a lot of challenge in finding money, but not on the money finding aid equipment, a equipment and cars in particular. and this is why i thought like instead of like trying to help i'll just start focusing on the particular task . just how did you two know each other ? how did you come to be other? how did you come to be together in this endeavour? so we were a business school together a long time ago now, and i, we, i hadn't spoken alex quite a while . and after all quite a while. and after all this started, i rang him up to check in with him and sort of say, you know, how's your family was? is there anything i can do? what's going on? and he was telling me that he'd already started to send these ambulances and vehicles and. i said, can i do anything? he said, do do anything? and he said, do know we're and got

know we're okay? and we've got drivers he sort of drivers and then he sort of randomly only randomly said the only real problem have the problem we have is the ambulances, because you to have ac1 ambulances, because you to have ad on your licence. so while talked to on the phone, i sort of my, my wallet out. i'm of got my, my wallet out. i'm looking licence like, looking at my licence like, well, i've to one. and well, i've got to see one. and he's yeah, that's because he's like, yeah, that's because you're really you're british and you really old know, they used to give that away free of driving away for free of the driving test he said, well, i said, test and he said, well, i said, well, you? and he well, can i help you? and he said, well, would to said, well, would you like to drive? ahmed said, we could go either or wow. either tomorrow or friday. wow. i was sort of like, yeah i probably should just speak to my wife first, but we she was hugely supportive. and so we did it. it went from your life to driving an ambulance in a warzone? no, because we drove the idea to drive it to ukraine and literally just drop it off just over to alex. it doesn't need lots these convoys. it was the first time for me to into the first time for me to into the into the country. yeah. as it turned out, we dropped them off in poland and we got this message about meeting these guys and this sort of random car park

outside warsaw and it's funny, we pitched up there and this group, guys like bunch of have to be honest and i was like, this could be interesting. and when i opened door and a guy comes gives a big hug comes out, gives me a big hug and thank you for bringing and said, thank you for bringing the and i said to me, are the kids. and i said to me, are you polish? in poland. you polish? you were in poland. he said, no, i'm ukrainian, but ihave he said, no, i'm ukrainian, but i have to live here now. and he pulled up his trouser leg and up i have to live here now. and he puthen jp his trouser leg and up i have to live here now. and he puthen here; trouser leg and up i have to live here now. and he puthen here theyiser leg and up i have to live here now. and he puthen here theyiser friendsi up i have to live here now. and he puthen here theyiser friends ofp to then here they all friends of the go to this amazing the army go to this amazing thing. the reality for me is it was kind of just road trip across europe. yes, it dangerous. it wasn't that big a deal was almost bit an deal it was almost a bit an adventure. then he pulled adventure. but then he pulled up his leg he had his his trouser leg and he had his prosthetic and he's like, prosthetic limb and he's like, you know, i got blown up. and it was that to realisation was that moment to realisation and thing led to and then one thing led to another you in order another and you know, in order to provide longevity, to sort of provide longevity, alex talking the alex was talking about the charity point and charity at that point and i didn't really say so when i was a bit like, this is really swinging the way of ukraine, i was like, we're not going to meet know, going meet this. you know, it's going to long but has and to last long enough, but has and so we set up the charity so over we set up the charity and how many and the rest have

you been able to provide them? i mean is eight. can you mean over 80? is eight. can you can you tell me? alex what's like for the people on the ground, the hospitals? are actually they doing it? what kind of story do they have to tell what and what's tell what seeing and what's happening to them? i mean this is quite quite a their is quite quite a moving their stories because like as said stories because like as i said to you just year ago, all them to you just a year ago, all them were people. and my were ordinary people. and my georgian of knew georgian never none of knew anything about, you know providing first aid as such . and providing first aid as such. and then they had to undergo all this transformation within, like, two weeks. just like what? what what what happened was that they sent for the very they were sent for the very short training to three weeks. and after three weeks, you're the frontlines saving lives. and then you can be like 19, 20 years, girl you know, who was just a student yesterday? and it's very, very sad stories, very awesome because we do we do lose people because enemy targets in or targeting medical people a lot and we have some

tragic accidents as well because . for example, there are certain i mean, you've been on you've been talking about bakhmut today. i've found the news. we have crews operating in those areas and there are certain areas and there are certain areas where you cannot injured person during the daylight. you need to wait for four, four or now you know situation to get dark and then when you look at person in the you can put your lights on so you have to drive you have to drive your vehicle you have to drive your vehicle you know without lights. because if you drive your vehicle with the lights, you're easy targets. and unfortunate and we had an unfortunate collisions where you would hit you know the tank because the tank would be crossing road tank would be crossing the road and it's really just how and so on. it's really just how do you feel , you know, your life do you feel, you know, your life has been , you know, has been, you know, significantly altered by this, by re—establishing connection with alex. what's the you just feel i mean , the actual feel i mean, the actual practical commitment for me, it doesn't ask much of me in terms

of time or anything, and it's the door has opened into another. yeah. you just feel there's a small opportunity to do something here. the you know, i'm just a tiny part of in a much bigger picture but to actually help to make a little of a difference and do meaningful in a positive way, you know , you notice that when you know, you notice that when this first all started and people were, you know, opening the doors for people to come and live with them. and obviously we were just doing what we call all these things get normalised and, you know, people, they lose that urgency . and so, you know, you urgency. and so, you know, you talk to alex and his friends and people in ukraine, they all think it's going to a lot worse before it gets better. and i guess the thing for is, we guess the thing for us is, we were able to aid to the point of need directly , quickly in a very need directly, quickly in a very agile way with no sort of central management or overhead or anything . so if we can carry or anything. so if we can carry on doing that and you know, it's almost like the bob geldof moment, we need to keep the money coming in. what can be

people who are watching this, people who are watching this, people who are watching this, people who get people who who want to get involved. what i can help i mean, financially because mean, your financially because we together we have put together some website hospitals .org .uk and there information on that there is information on that website. so people bring website. so some people bring donations in. so we have a collection in london where we collection in london where we collect medical supplies because we are looking after paramedics. we are focusing on medical aid mostly at the moment, our necessities are armoured vehicles because, you know, things are getting really really bad.the things are getting really really bad. the fighting is really getting to the very very next terrible stage . we used to use terrible stage. we used to use ordinary pickup cars collect just to give you a little bit of background how the vocation takes place. so we have a pick up cars which drive to the frontline, collect injured person and drive away maybe 15 miles, maximum where the bigger ambulance is waiting . so we move ambulance is waiting. so we move injured person to the bigger ambulances depending on the condition we may need to

stabilise this person. if it's if it's okay to drive this person further , we drive this person further, we drive this person further, we drive this person further, we drive this person further to the field hospital and then from the his field, we have a special bus , field, we have a special bus, medical bus which can take up to the six very, very heavy injured people in land to the proper hospital. so it's a three stage process and at the moment, our cars, our pick up cars are not able to get to the certain areas of the frontline for two reasons, because, first of all, easy target road of mines in area in only only an hour or in bakhmut . you know the amount of bakhmut. you know the amount of shelling it's . unbelievable. shelling it's. unbelievable. it's unbelievable . much, much it's unbelievable. much, much worse to what we had in the beginning of the war. and we risk our paramedics , civilian risk our paramedics, civilian people risked their lives and our main priority now getting armoured cars at least we can protect them from , from being protect them from, from being being hit by mines or shelling. you make it frighteningly real, you make it frighteningly real

with your testimony. alex to just use . i wish you all the just use. i wish you all the very best of luck with what you're doing so important. thank you're doing so important. thank you for joining you're doing so important. thank you forjoining me you're doing so important. thank you for joining me this evening. thank you. thank you . after the thank you. thank you. after the break, i'll be joined by the 67 year old shopkeeper we look for shoplifter in store only to be told by police to release the crook or face prosecution himself . see crook or face prosecution himself. see you in 3 minutes

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schofield and tomorrow's sunday papers with all panel reaction. see you . at eight. hello again. see you. at eight. hello again. lovely people will like hear about have—a—go heroes don't stepping in to stop crying . but stepping in to stop crying. but what happens when a have—a—go shopkeeper finds himself threatened with prosecution himself ? threatened with prosecution himself? that's threatened with prosecution himself ? that's exactly what himself? that's exactly what happened to 67 year old journalist at 12 at his off licence in derby. take a look at this cctv footage footage . watching there, watching someone leaving along the aisles in the off licence . i go shoulder .

off licence. i go shoulder. there we go . item taken under . there we go. item taken under. john singh atwell joins us now . john singh atwell joins us now. exactly what are we looking at there? so what was actually happening and what was your reaction ? as i said, hangman, reaction? as i said, hangman, that somebody stole this stuff. i followed him, grabbed him outside the shop, brought him back in the shop , locked the back in the shop, locked the door , the place , tore down door, the place, tore down everything on. if you can send somebody to a resting place , somebody to a resting place, police reaction . if i to let police reaction. if i to let them go, i will be arrested . now them go, i will be arrested. now what did the. what did the police see when you called them them ? no. nobody came after? no.

them? no. nobody came after? no. didn't know what he got and talked to me after i told i had to let him go . police orders to let him go. police orders since then no reaction . from since then no reaction. from police at all. and what was that? what was the reaction of the customers in the shop with all of this? you know, because it wasn't just the two of you in the shop when this was happening . i'm running shop for years. they are the loyal customers . they are the loyal customers. they are the loyal customers. they are the loyal customers. they are their steward. and to assist , to help me , if you do assist, to help me, if you do anything to me . they even told anything to me. they even told if you touch me. they put him down. so they don't trapped in the shop. they were here to help me . do you feel the police know me. do you feel the police know where you are? more on the side of criminals than on the victims of criminals than on the victims of crime. you . will please get

of crime. you. will please get in touch with them. they haven't . do you experience a lot of crime this . you know. happened crime this. you know. happened so many times in the past. crime this. you know. happened so many times in the past . and so many times in the past. and the police assistant was brilliant . i the police assistant was brilliant. i don't the police assistant was brilliant . i don't know what brilliant. i don't know what happened. brilliant. i don't know what happened . time. i never expected happened. time. i never expected to that . and are you concerned to that. and are you concerned that this individual is out there? has had this experience with you and presumably is at liberty to come back to the shop ? i never seen him before. now, if time he came in the shop, how has it changed? you know, you see been a shopkeeper there for 30 years. you know what what what change in the community. have you seen , you know, my have you seen, you know, my customer? we are like family are so supportive, so anybody, a stranger like army or kyiv the iron them and happen very often

what we to do happen sometimes but it must it must undermine your faith you know when ultimately when you are a victim of this kind of criminality you fall back on the police as a matter of course. and when you're when you're handled in this way and made feel like the villain yourself , your faith and villain yourself, your faith and it must be severely compromised . in the reaction i got, it must be severely compromised . in the reaction i got , because . in the reaction i got, because police want to say any tips come in, help yourself. nobody will touch you . tom, how do you feel touch you. tom, how do you feel reacting to that? this is an everyman story in a sense , mr. everyman story in a sense, mr. singh. well, experiencing this and this is how he was treated by the can stop. well it's just this culture of impunity for these so—called low level crimes. i mean, i've read accounts of police forces issuing guidance officers to not even go to the scene of a alleged shoplifting incident. and we saw it there. i mean,

again, it's also this sort of sense that you can't even make a citizen's arrest any more because there's a worry that somehow, in this case, you know, the assailant will turn on, presumably the shopkeeper. i mean, you know, to give some credit, perhaps to the police , credit, perhaps to the police, maybe that's what the controller was worried when call was worried about when the call went through somehow . that went through that somehow. that could a violent could turn into a very violent situation. but the it sounds to me that there's been no follow up.and me that there's been no follow up. and importantly , that person up. and importantly, that person is out there thinking, well, that's potentially a soft touch in the future to go back to store. and that, of course, gets around , doesn't amongst the around, doesn't it, amongst the criminal fraternity does criminal fraternity? what does it terry , about the world it see, terry, about the world that we're living in, that even a direct victim of a crime tries to tackle the situation himself and going to help going for help to the police for help is turned away and told if he doesn't let the criminal go , you'll be the criminal go, you'll be charged. unfortunately, i think we're seeing more and more of

this. and i think we have to ask major questions. this. and i think we have to ask major questions . you know, he's major questions. you know, he's basically being accused of being a vigilant rather than seen as a hero, which he is . yes when i hero, which he is. yes when i read the story earlier , there read the story earlier, there was a concern that this guy had threatened to burn the shop down. but as your man says, you have everyone there in the shop on his side, wholly supportive. the police did not even turn up and have not up since. so what is it they're so busy doing ? you is it they're so busy doing? you know, we have now these two ramshackle, endless guideline of the police. you know, during covid stop being parties of arrest people, elderly people for something they've said on twitter . they can't turn up to a twitter. they can't turn up to a real crime. and then , you know , real crime. and then, you know, outrageously threaten to criminalise someone for taking matters into their own hands. i've always thought that we the trust needs to on us. we need to

be trust it to deal with the situation because we will have to deal with them better than the law . but at least you expect the law. but at least you expect the law. but at least you expect the law. but at least you expect the law to there to back you up . mr. singh well, if you're still there with me, has changed the way that you'll handle this situation in the future . you situation in the future. you know, what do you do? because know, what do you do? because know, you see, it doesn't happen so often, but you no doubt be in this situation again. what do you do to protect your to protect yourself ? well, i'll do protect yourself? well, i'll do the same. what i've done, i'm not scared. i have to. i have to save my stock . i can't let save my stock. i can't let everybody help themselves. i know . getting any kind of know. getting any kind of reassurance from the police, all that there will you know, that there will continue to look into this for you or if they just wash their hands of it. the only police station in the back yard on my shop walking distance . on my shop walking distance. they're not part . and back on my they're not part. and back on my shoulder . well, i

they're not part. and back on my shoulder. well, i think all and i don't understand , mr. singh, i don't understand, mr. singh, it's a very depressing , very, it's a very depressing, very, you know, a story that just takes away the heart from local communities when they feel that they're left adrift in a situation like this , there's situation like this, there's crime. they expect to be able turn to police and can't . turn to the police and can't. thank you so much for bringing that us and i hope you have that to us and i hope you have better luck with the with with the client pass through the client tell pass through your shop in future . your shop in the future. highlighting that i have a spokesperson from derbyshire police on a statement from scene which reads the call it explained that the man was allegedly making threats to harm those inside by fire to the shop due to those threats and the risk that was posed to the other customers, the caller was told that the door should be unlocked since the incident officers have spoken with the owner the shop in order to request cctv , in in order to request cctv, in order to try and the man involved . 30. it's just not good involved. 30. it's just not good enough though , is it? neil it

enough though, is it? neil it really is. and i mean, when you also when also read these stories about, police also when also read these stories about , police officers stories about, police officers going around , individuals who going around, individuals who tweeted something and you comments like we're here to check on you thinking mr. or mrs. so—and—so, we know during pandemic we saw that she would derbyshire police and i do believe with the drone if you remember that was just overlook two individuals just taking a walk and checking them in terms of covid restrictions . i mean, walk and checking them in terms of covid restrictions. i mean, i do think we've got this layer now and we have these so—called democratically elected police commissioners. democratically elected police commissioners . they need to be, commissioners. they need to be, frankly, doing a betterjob holding our police to account, because when public confidence disappears like this in the system, then we've longer got, you know, the police or the public. and the public are the police coming ? we've got a police coming? we've got a break. after which , how did a break. after which, how did a naughty spaniel rejected by eight different homes become one of the best detective noses in in 3 minutes

welcome back, everyone. we're on the last lap . this episode of the last lap. this episode of neil oliver live . and finally , neil oliver live. and finally, this is usher , the cocker this is usher, the cocker spaniel . this is usher, the cocker spaniel. usher was a rescue puppy spaniel. usher was a rescue puppy and was so well not is the what i keep on being told about usher it was rejected by eight different owners and it looked like this have been a very tragic end and but the moment dr. clifford guest met, the troublesome hound she knew he was a keeper and she was certainly right. she trained to retrain usher and he is now a lifesaver the four year old dog has the ability to detect smell of human diseases and to save lives . and gemma from medical lives. and gemma from medical detection dogs joins me now . detection dogs joins me now. gemma this is amazing. thank you for joining with this story. so tell me about tell me, about ushen tell me about tell me, about usher. first of all, why he so hard to human, do you think

bafic hard to human, do you think basic nature was part of why he's so good at what he does ? i he's so good at what he does? i think you're absolutely right. he was deemed on trainable . he he was deemed on trainable. he was just troubled. he hadn't quite found the right home. he needed to be busy. he needed to challenged, you know, he wasn't happy, just kind of sitting around doing nothing all day and relaxing like some dogs are. and he landed his paws he really landed on his paws when came to medical when he came to medical detection he became bio detection dogs. he became a bio detection dogs. he became a bio detection dog, which requires him his answer questions him to use his answer questions . all in all, in return a treat. and he just absolutely loved it. and he just absolutely loved it. and he's a completely different dog now. he was four years old when he joined us. and he's he's we think about ten now, obviously, because he's rescued dog difficult to know for dog it's difficult to know for sure spent his career sure and he's spent his career sniffing diseases and his work will have the potential to save millions of lives. how does this work? talk me through the scenario you. what is it actually? what the scenario is in this and the situations that

he actually in on and four paws. well our bio detection dogs working at training room near milton keynes and they learn the odour of a variety of different human diseases. so in ashes case he first of all started working on malaria project and we've tested his nose on parkinson disease and most recently been one of our covid 19 detection dogs. now these dogs enter our training room and they're given a range of samples to sniff, one of which will contain the odour of which will contain the odour of a human disease. and when find it and they alert us it, some will stand there and stare at someone, nudge it and when they make it really obvious that they make it really obvious that they found, they get a treat to them, it's a game to us. it's teaching us all time about the odour of disease and odour of human disease and leading us to a faster, more accurate and non—invasive diagnosis. and like i say, actually does all of this for a biscuit or a tennis ball. it's a win situation for him and probably an impossible question. but any way of but there any way of conceptualising what the disease might smell like? is it is it the case that the smell the

odouris the case that the smell the odour is just so implicit to us? but if it was magnified in some way, we would it too? potentially, yes. i mean , you potentially, yes. i mean, you know, we different human samples for different diseases so for example in the case of prostate cancen example in the case of prostate cancer, it's urine samples some diseases, it's breast samples or sweat samples. you're absolutely right. you or i could smell these all day long and not a clue which one has the disease. and it just just to put into some context how incredible dogs noses are . they have 350 million noses are. they have 350 million scent receptors compared to humans . you have about 5 humans. you have about 5 million. they can smell the equivalent of a teaspoon of sugar into olympic sized swimming pools. so their of smell completely incomparable smell is completely incomparable to ours and we'll never know what they know unless we continue doing this sort of research and development and get closer all the time to figuring out how we can use the odour of disease to lead to early diagnosis to some of the world's biggest killers. is there any is there any way in which, you

know, people have an untrained dog , a dog know, people have an untrained dog, a dog that's not know, people have an untrained dog , a dog that's not actually dog, a dog that's not actually been trained to do this, you know, is the behaviour that people would recognise in the pet spaniel might, pet spaniel that might, that might that the dog might cause them to that the dog is instinctively aware of something . well on the something amiss. well on the other side our charity we try and medical alert dogs. these are dogs that live with individuals that have complex health conditions such as type one diabetes or or drop attacks or non epileptic seizures. and we work very closely with clients to train dogs to be able to give them about a 5 to 10 minute warning when they're about to become seriously ill. now, there have been cases where clients come to and said, clients have come to and said, i've got a pet dog is actually showing signs of doing this already. we work with already. and then we work with them formalise that them to sort formalise that training easier for training and make it easier for them work on the public with them and work on the public with them and work on the public with the and things like that. so the dog and things like that. so there's been anecdotal evidence to that can detect to show that dogs can detect diseases without training for so many charity many years. in fact, our charity was founded shortly after i ran. i see claire guest her own dog and warned her that she had a

very deep seated breast cancer. so absolutely know all dogs have got the potential to do this. one of the questions we get asked the most often, which which you know, which dogs can do only labradors only do it. only labradors only spaniels, because those the spaniels, because those are the kind that you most often kind of dogs that you most often see this detection see doing this detection work. but actually, would say, but actually, we would say, although often dog breeds, although it is often dog breeds, it's any dog that wants to chase that tennis ball 100 times and isn't bored, wants to wear , isn't bored, wants to wear, wants please their owner has wants to please their owner has that fantastic goal. and that sort of fantastic goal. and so the possibility a dog's so the possibility of a dog's nose is, is endless. bear with me, jim, katie , does that not me, jim, katie, does that not blow your mind among ? you as blow your mind among? you as well as being guide dogs for the blind, you know, detection airports of , illicit substances airports of, illicit substances and explosives that dogs can actually go out there and detect the scent of illness. i it's absolutely fun. i have heard about it before. i think it's brilliant. i think the work of the charities being i think what blows mind is the idea that blows my mind is the idea that got 5 million scent sensors and

dogs have got 350 million, a new kind of thing. dogs have got 350 million, a new kind of thing . it must be really kind of thing. it must be really smelly if we have to talk about warplanes. it makes you wonder, doesn't tom, you know, or open your eyes to the idea other what other species live in? you know, we live in a world, of course, stimulus, a dog wouldn't. so is living in a world of scent. absolutely got our five senses. but i mean, it's just mind blowing, as you say there what jemma was describing . but jemma was describing. but actually a question i had for her, if she's still online is just whether or not working dogs can also be pet dogs or whether you have to have clear separation between the two. that's a good question .jemma, that's a good question. jemma, did you hear that? can a working dog also a pet or is it are they strictly a professionals . first strictly a professionals. first and foremost, they are working dogs are trained to be working dogs. but in the case of a dog like asha, for example, he comes into our training room, he puts his he knows he's his red on. he knows he's working he's work working he's in a work environment. he's with his

trainer. exactly what trainer. he knows exactly what is do. see asha is in there to do. i see asha when finished session in when he's finished session in the training room upside down the training room upside down the sofa in office all the sofa in claire's office all the sofa in claire's office all the having his belly the time, having his belly rubbed around on the rubbed and rolling around on the carpet. they lead carpet. so they absolutely lead the life almost of sort of very important pets when they're not at work, but first and foremost, they they working dogs. they are they are working dogs. but glad you asked but i'm really glad you asked that know, the sort that because, you know, the sort of and welfare of of the health and welfare of these dogs is obviously really important. have important. and my absolute have the that time. i'm of the free runs that time. i'm of course, they're absolutely adored by their clients as the as you would imagine. but when they put their red jacket on. they know there's something special. they know they're vips and that when they do and they know that when they do what asked do, what they're asked to do, they'll get treat and a reward they'll get a treat and a reward . you know what it makes me . do you know what it makes me think, know, think, gemma? you know, 30,000 years perhaps we had years or so ago, perhaps we had our relationship established with dogs. and how do we where to establish that kind of best friend relationship with canines? because look at the things they've been able to do for us. if they're treated correctly. and they're given the

love and the respect that they deserve. as i you know, they look at this, they can save life. it's as simple as that. and they do save the lives of our clients every single day. and they don't know how special, special they are. that's what syphons plastic, but actually got that he got absolutely no idea that he can detect three horrendous diseases , which something diseases, which is something that science do yet that the medical science do yet excellent . gemma butland from excellent. gemma butland from medical detection dogs , thank medical detection dogs, thank you so much for telling us about the wonderful all for me the wonderful that's all for me neil oliver live tonight thanks as always to my panel kenny dingle and tom buick. and i'll be back at 6:00 saturday. be back at 6:00 next saturday. next it's mark dolan next up, it's mark dolan tonight. mark, tell what's in store . neil what another store. neil what another brilliant and fantastic unmissable show . we'll do the unmissable show. we'll do the same for the next 3 hours. we kick off with the people's hour in which i'm taking your video calls. also in big opinion, why bofis calls. also in big opinion, why boris johnson's antics risk guaranteeing a labour government . be careful what you wish for and it might take it ten. harry and it might take it ten. harry and meghan and prince andrew evicted from their royal

residences. it's been a great for king charles. see you shortly . hello there . i'm craig shortly. hello there. i'm craig now and here is your latest forecast on the met office. well, as we go through the next few days, it's set to turn much colder across the uk with some of us seeing snow and ice at times there at the moment, no, we still got this of high we still got this area of high pressure keeping things relatively the relatively settled across the uk. would just uk. this weather would just be a focus of some as we end focus of some showers as we end saturday. but for most of the country we end the day on a rather cloudy , some breaks in rather cloudy, some breaks in the cloud , especially across the cloud, especially across western . and i western scotland. and i mentioned the risk of a few showers potentially becoming a little bit more widespread later on across the very far north of , the country, under the , the country, but under the cloud , real problems the cloud, real problems to the temperatures , not fully much temperatures, not fully much lower about 2 to 4 degrees, lower than about 2 to 4 degrees, maybe a of frost in the maybe a touch of frost in the far north scotland . and then far north scotland. and then sunday, we start off again on, the rather cloudy note there will be some breaks across scotland and they will sink their way southwards into parts of northern northern of northern ireland and northern england through the

england as we go through the course but further course of the day. but further south are generally south you are generally remaining cloudy side. remaining on the cloudy side. the of few, especially the risk of a few, especially for scotland , where some of for scotland, where some of these showers be turning to these showers will be turning to sleet especially sleet and snow, especially across high ground across the high ground temperatures on sunday, very similar to where are today, really. so range of between to nine degrees into the we start to see some colder air beginning to see some colder air beginning to move in across the very far north for scotland. so this will allow the showers to readily turn to sleet and snow even at lower. so risk of some ice come monday morning to here further south for patchy frost with a mixture of clear spells and few showers . and monday, a mixture showers. and monday, a mixture of sunshine travels across england and wales this area of rain and potentially heavy snow will think it's way southwards as we go through the course of the day. and then behind it, we're really into the colder air with some frequent showers with some frequent snow showers for later on for scotland. and then later on across parts of north eastern england, too. and that coffee will continue into tuesday and wednesday risk of some significant snow across the country. we'll keep you posted

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