welcome to mark dolan tonight night. we kick off the evening with the people's in which you, the british public centre stage this is the where we discuss the big topics the day tonight as the british public keep getting pred the british public keep getting ripped off by rail firms. is it time for public ownership? and as two in three britons want a new political party, would you vote a new party that takes on the tories and labour? are you politically homeless ? also, politically homeless? also, there's been a 300% rise in drag shows in schools. this is men dressed up as women with breasts out to here and showing their in libraries and churches what's going on. should children be

watching drag show. it's also as lee anderson, the tory mp, calls this more controversy or as i would put it, speaks common sense . is he right that sense. is he right that prisoners be put to work to help the economy? all of that and much more. a busy 3 hours time to get after nine. my big opinion monologue in which i'll be dealing with johnson who risks giving a labour government and he might take it ten. another great for king charles. lots to get through. but first, the king of news . aaron the king of news. aaron armstrong . yes, thank you, mark. armstrong. yes, thank you, mark. i'm out . armstrong in the gb i'm out. armstrong in the gb news romance . speaking of news romance. speaking of royalty, we'll start with the duke of sussex who says some british soldiers were not nasa's eerily supportive of military efforts in afghanistan. in a live streamed interview with a former specialist, dr. gabor motty prince harry says he did not align with the west during the conflict and his memoir, the duke of sussex, described

killing 25 taliban fighters in afghanistan than as chess pieces off the board. one of the reasons why certainly so many in the united kingdom were not supportive of our troops was because they assumed that everybody that was serving was for the war. but no . and once for the war. but no. and once you sign up, you do what you're told to do . so there was a lot told to do. so there was a lot of us that didn't necessarily agree or disagree. but you were doing what you were trained to do, you're doing what you were sent to do. new whatsapp messages involving matt hancock reveal how the former health secretary battled to save his job after footage of him embracing . a colleague, gina embracing. a colleague, gina colin d'angelo , emerged during colin d'angelo, emerged during lockdown. a string of messages published in the daily telegraph illustrate hancock tried to illustrate how hancock tried to find exceptions to rules to justify his behaviour . find exceptions to rules to justify his behaviour. he initially wanted to claim no rules were broken, then decided to apologise guys for breaking lockdown guidance before finally

tendering resignation. two days later , boris johnson may be later, boris johnson may be fighting to save his political following the findings of a report into partygate . the report into partygate. the commons privileges committee say their new evidence, johnson mps over lockdown parties on several occasions and it would have been obvious to him and his colleagues. they were breaking the rules. mr. johnson says was his belief all guidance had been followed . new powers to crack followed. new powers to crack down on small boats crossing the channel are expected to be announced by the government next week. the legislation is expected to make asylum claims inward visible from those who travel to the uk on small boats. the home office would be required to remove those migrants to rwanda or a safe third country, and they'd be banned from returning to the uk . the number of people killed by a russian strike in the southern ukrainian city of operation has risen to ii. ukrainian city of operation has risen to 11. emergency services say they recovered a woman's

bodyin say they recovered a woman's body in the debris this morning. a child was amongst those killed in thursday strike on a five storey residential apartment block on the uk's looking like it's in for a cold snap next, with temperatures expected to drop freezing monday, then tuesday will see lows of minus three in scotland and minus two in the northwest and the east of england . yellow weather warnings england. yellow weather warnings for and ice will be in place from early on monday to late on tuesday . that's across northern tuesday. that's across northern scotland and northeast england . scotland and northeast england. tv and duvet plus radio. this is gb news no back to mark dolan tonight tonight. love having arron on the show . love having arron on the show. two irishmen in 3 hours. what's not to like? welcome to market ireland tonight we start with the people's hour in, which i'll

be taking your video calls on the big stories of the day tonight. the stars of the show are last in windsor. norma in the canary islands. she's just polished off her second sangria. zachary is in the fine east midlands city of leicester. amanda bathing in east sussex and andrew last but least, rocking those shades in essex are lots of stories to get through tonight's topics as the british public keep being ripped off by rail firms. is it time for public ownership ? is rail for public ownership? is rail travel still the money? also do we need a new political party to challenge labour and the tories . where's your vote going next? should children be watching drag shows and is lee anderson right? when he says that prisoners should be able to work to help the get them digging and fruit? that's what anderson says , do that's what anderson says, do you think? my saturday sidekick for the first hour of the show

is his and i'm political commentator from his trip to nairobi david oldroyd bolts off tonight. in my big opinion, i'm bofis tonight. in my big opinion, i'm boris johnson. to off, he needs to keep his aura out and let sunak get on with the job. because at the moment he's anfics because at the moment he's antics are risking a labour government in the big question should makeup be allowed in schools or is it time for girls to go make up free and concentrate on their studies . concentrate on their studies. lots to get through. this is mark dolan . it's saturday night mark dolan. it's saturday night so . let's have a debate. let's so. let's have a debate. let's have a bit of fire. let's have a few sparks. but let's have fun along the way . put something along the way. put something cold fizzy in the fridge or cold and fizzy in the fridge or fire up the kettle and let's get to work. it's time for the people's hour. to work. it's time for the people's hour . and i'm coming in people's hour. and i'm coming in hot now . regulated ticket prices hot now. regulated ticket prices are set to increase by 5.9% dunng are set to increase by 5.9% during a cost of living crisis. train companies pocketed during the pandemic.

train companies pocketed during the pandemic . and when was the the pandemic. and when was the last time a train ran on time ? last time a train ran on time? couple that with the ongoing strikes , the deteriorating strikes, the deteriorating infrastructure and all great british railway kids look like they're in need of drastic . but they're in need of drastic. but as the british public keep being pred as the british public keep being ripped off by rail companies, is it time for public ownership? what is the answer? and it's rail travel still worth the money, which you rather be in your car . money, which you rather be in your car. let's speak to david oldroyd bolt before we get to my video calls . david, what do you video calls. david, what do you think? it's nationalisation and the answer that much of the rail infrastructure already is in government hands. yes and that's a problem . nationalisation a problem. nationalisation doesn't work because you strip out competition . all you end up out competition. all you end up with is a monolith that has no reason to be any better because there's nobody there saying, well work, so come to us. well, don't work, so come to us. it's never worked. it's never ever resulted in better service of people will with you about telecoms, about airways, all those british gas, those industries british gas, successful privatisations under

the premiership of margaret thatcher. but would argue that rail privatisation even under john major was a privatisation too. the problem was it didn't far enough because you had this half half system where some of the tracks were put out to tenderis the tracks were put out to tender is to say that the running of the services were. but railtrack kept hold of the maintenance. so that's never going to work because it just means that the nationalised body which most which is doing the most important which is making important thing, which is making sure that the trains can actually on tracks, is actually run on the tracks, is neven actually run on the tracks, is never, held to never, ever being held to account who's going account because who's going to kick out? who's going kick them out? who's who's going say, this, i'm say, i don't like this, i'm going go over there and use going to go over there and use that line. if the only or rather the only company which has a tender the state, it just tender is the state, it just doesn't result in better service. come on, you service. i mean, come on, you remember rail? just remember british rail? i'm just by sound which is would by the sound which is would nearly and the trains nearly kill you and the trains weren't not on time, they weren't just not on time, they weren't just not on time, they were non—existent. yeah. and when i was growing up in yorkshire, the 1990 and even yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the early 2000, there was still yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the eethe 2000, there was still yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the eethe rolling:here was still yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the eethe rolling stock, as still yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the eethe rolling stock, whichl yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the ebus rolling stock, whichl yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the ebus carriages ock, whichl yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the ebus carriages put whichl yorkshire, in the 1990 and even the ebus carriages put on|ichl were bus carriages put on onto ships is to run on rails. they

were just a pathetic remnant of an essentially soviet system . an essentially soviet system. what we really need is proper competition and what we really, really need is for there to be competition to reopen those rails, rail lines that can be reopened of the beeching cuts to get rail services to those areas that don't have them now. so as we move into what seems inevitably the post carbon people can actually use trains rather than having to drive 15 or 20 miles to a station and rather than being tied to only a one operator in one area with one operator in one area with one price, which is far, far too expensive before. we get to andrew in essex. yes or no scrap hs2 ? yes, without question. you hs2? yes, without question. you go answer to a straight question. that's how like to do it on mark dolan tonight. let's speak to andrew in essex a regular caller to mark dolan tonight and the people's hour. andrew, to great see you. you've got a shadow on your face. it looks like a flowing beard, but i can see you're actually clean shaven. how are you tonight? i'm good, and you? yeah very good, thanks. and you? yeah very well. excited about this well. very excited about this

topic . do think the rail topic. do you think the rail travel is still worth the money? it's not. as a disabled person and, a disability rights advocate , i find it very advocate, i find it very frustrating . quite often there's frustrating. quite often there's not enough people available at the station to support people as well . and so this increase of, well. and so this increase of, you know, the 6, they're taking more money. there's no extra serve . and also in terms of now, serve. and also in terms of now, obviously, most people can work remotely and, you know, but put in the increase up. i know some of my colleagues who were visiting our clients rugby face to face are actually going to revert to doing everything onune revert to doing everything online and also in sector. some universities don't actually provide brooms to support workers like myself to actually go in on site premises. so now we're going to end up with a generation , have everything generation, have everything onune. generation, have everything online . and you know, i feel online. and you know, i feel that actually having an increase with no extra is not very good.

you we're not getting any value and even last night so i went out to meet my team in liverpool street. there was no one around me. my dog , you know, i, you me. my dog, you know, i, you know, i know my way around. so it wasn't a major. but if there was someone who was in a wheelchair, there's no staff on a friday night. wheelchair, there's no staff on a friday night . all also you in a friday night. all also you in terms of the i think it obviously that there's no staff actually at the train stations as well. so harlow mill, which is the naval station where i live, there's only machine . live, there's only machine. where's the staff? if money was being put back into the station. yes, i would say it's worth it this time at harlow town there's only one councillor they used to be more than one councillor open . we're paying an increase for .we're paying an increase for wall and you know so for me to travel more easily i'm having do a 20 minute call just a to go to

epping and get the tube but the train there every 2 to 3 minutes in harlow where i live the trains are ten every 1015 minutes and then you know you're talking about an £8 car parking to go into london as well . so to go into london as well. so people are being kind of put a position where, you know, if we do online, it's easier but you're always going to be able to do certain certain jobs, you know, online and i mean rail an offer a scheme for disabled people but even with the discount it would cost someone such as myself nearly £20 to go into london from here. and yet if i from where i live, i'd have to get to get it. i can get it half the trip i drive into epping . why am i more often when epping. why am i more often when i you know it's only 20 minutes so what. i'm paying more double what i can beat these . great. what i can beat these. great. yeah i've got family on the continent andrew and i seem to

be, you know, italy, germany, france , a lot more staff around france, a lot more staff around and better service and by the way, lower ticket prices stay there, andrew, because i'd like to bring zachary into this conversation . so zachary is conversation. so zachary is going to contribute to this conversation. zach whereabouts are you in the uk ? i'm in are you in the uk? i'm in leicester . oh, you are the east leicester. oh, you are the east midlands . well actually that's midlands. well actually that's quite a rail hub. what do you think? what's your reaction to this debate about . whether, this debate about. whether, whether the trains, whether the rail should go into national hands. right. rail should go into national hands . right. well firstly no hands. right. well firstly no andifs hands. right. well firstly no and it's a great privilege to follow david and andrew and david's style to my to some extent by putting it so beautifully as to why we shouldn't privatise so nationalised the renationalise the railways i'm here speaking to you tonight mark to the wonder of east midlands railway who brought me back from sheffield on the 1800s, leicester . i walked to produce leicester. i walked to produce the cattle that i might be like,

but it was never in doubt. a wonderful service and i reject the notion that we're being pred the notion that we're being ripped off . i've just travelled ripped off. i've just travelled to sheffield and back £9.50 there. first class, £5 on the way back, standard class advance purchase admitted it would be £32 for the return. if i turned up on the day . £32 for the return. if i turned up on the day. but i remember when i was child. the days of british rail. i think only covered on the train once when i was a child. it had to be the coach of the wise and yet now i find it we reliable not afford cable. it's distressing to hear of andrew's experiences, which seem rather less favourable than mine . and you're right, mark, mine. and you're right, mark, east midlands is a bit of a rail hook and i'm very lucky. i think leicester is my local station where i can go up to sheffield and down to london and hour each way system , we way. but the whole system, we should treasure it. we're very lucky to have you think how lucky to have it. you think how small country is, how many small the country is, how many thousands of trains are travelling around the country all few accidents all the time. very few accidents that we have an air of unease.

23 years ago, we had grotesque chaos of stations being patrolled by police , trying to patrolled by police, trying to stop people using the trains for the system to recover , as it the system to recover, as it has, admittedly, with some government subsidy, is remarkable . i can never accept remarkable. i can never accept the notion of a state monopoly. why is it that monopolies are only tolerated if it's a state doing it? the state is the worst possible entity to be running a monopoly system is . i take your monopoly system is. i take your point and. i believe in competition too, and i think of the privatisations were a triumph of very much the golden era for this country in the eighties when we took the loss making companies like british leyland and flogged them . leyland and flogged them. however do we not with regards to rail to have that in public because it is a it is sort of infra structure and it should therefore be subject to democrat check accountability . well, to check accountability. well, to an extent i believe parts of it are in public hands, but don't feel any particular joy in

having in my in my hands, if use the rail services i want to use it for the best and safest and value service whether it's in my hands as a member of the public or in private companies hands and for reasons again that may be put very i think my interest as a passenger are best served by companies and competition. so know that when the next round of deals are being put through the who's going to run it, the with the best offer is likely to have it. let's bring andrew back into this conversation and david oldroyd bolt, my saturday sidekick and political commentator , and david, how do commentator, and david, how do you respond to what you've heard there from zachary and andrew? i mean, really, it's a tale of two rail service is, isn't it? you know , and zachary has argued know, and zachary has argued that actually. he's had a good experience in the midlands that the service is pretty good value if you book in advance and

reliable zachary's experience . reliable zachary's experience. this is clearly what we should expect of all rail services in this country . and andrew's is, this country. and andrew's is, i fear , what far too many of us do fear, what far too many of us do actually experience. and his point that there are too few staff is absolutely one that should be made over and over and over again. where is this extra money going? well, we know where it's going into the pockets of under and under under employed and under utilised staff sitting at the front , the trains not doing very front, the trains not doing very much at all, whereas people who actually need staff the actually need staff on the platforms the platforms and up and down the train, down the train to train, up and down the train to ward off antisocial behaviour, to people to stop playing to ask people to stop playing the noxious music out loud and to stop putting their feet on the seats and all this totally discu this behaviour that those of us who use the trains are far too familiar with where are these people who we're paying more and more and money in a time recession. they're not. time of recession. they're not. they're there to they're they're not there to help disabled on the help the disabled on the platforms. totally agree. and platforms. i totally agree. and this seems to me be symptomatic of the way are run of the way services are run across country. that

across the country. now that more are expected to more and more we are expected to do jobs ourselves book do the jobs ourselves to book our own tickets to to our own train tickets to pay to put through our own put through and bag our own shopping, do as much as shopping, to do as much as possible ourselves and the company there and company simply sit there and charge for it. briefly, briefly. david how can you have competition there's set competition if there's one set of that issue with of track? isn't that issue with privatisation the rail? it's privatisation of the rail? it's just dysfunctional. it doesn't work well, it does work because evenin work well, it does work because even in the really good privatised systems of , the world privatised systems of, the world that exist now and that existed in the past there were stringent targets. and if those targets are not met, the franchise was immediately removed and out to tenden immediately removed and out to tender. someone else would come in it. the problem is in and do it. the problem is that the model rail that the model of rail franchising that we have at the moment nowhere strict moment is nowhere near strict enough, targets enough, nor are the targets harsh enough . these people harsh enough. so these people who run these companies who will run these companies that run the train services to such detriment aren't really being penalised for their poor performance . and just to come performance. and just to come back to this point, which i think must be made, if we have a nationalised rail, which is what so many people seem to, we will

be again at the mercy of the unions. we already are to a extent at the mercy of railway unions, which is some of the powerful unions in the country. if there is no industry left whatsoever in the sector, how do we think that's to be any better? how do we, as democratic uses of this service and essentially a paymasters, how do we get value for money? how do we get value for money? how do we stop ourselves being held a barrel for more and more and more? we can't a lot more to come in the people's hour before 9:00 should children . and 9:00 should children. and toddlers be watching provocative drag acts at school, in libraries, in church halls, cavorting , throwing their cavorting, throwing their backsides around and chucking their legs in the air. is that appropriate for children? discuss that also is lee , the discuss that also is lee, the tory mp right suggesting that we should put prisoners to work to help the british economy? should they be digging for vegetables and fruit given we've got labour shortages ? but next up, would

shortages? but next up, would you vote for a new political party to take on labour and tories. that's .

next that's got a press play on the old video tape recorder there . old video tape recorder there. welcome back to mark dolan tonight. i could have flossed my teeth now at a but there you go. look, the people's hour in look, it's the people's hour in which taking your video which i'm taking your video calls. don't forget from nine, all favourite of mark all of your favourite of mark dolan the big opinion dolan tonight the big opinion monologue. johnson monologue. why boris johnson risks guaranteeing a labour government's and in my take it ten why king charles has had a great week , but let's get back great week, but let's get back to your video calls our next big topic and i really want to get into this one the conservatives hiked up taxes and spent billions wasted billions during the course of the pandemic like , some kind of tinpot socialist regime labour have gone full. blair 2.0 and triangulated their

way to absolutely with a leader who doesn't know a woman is so does the need a change would ? does the need a change would? you vote for a new political party to take on labour and the tories. let's speak to david old roy bolton, who's my saturday sidekick . before i get to your sidekick. before i get to your calls, what do you think? there seems to be some momentum . seems to be some momentum. smaller parties like reform uk led by richard tice. do you think that ultimately new political force could ultimately replace the or labour? i think it's exceptionally unlikely . the it's exceptionally unlikely. the only party that has come nothing into government in the past century is and labour replace the liberals. it's and what was that in the 1920s. well yes they made gains throughout the period up to the first world war and then you had the first labour administration in the 1920s. it only lasted a very short time. then you had a labour administration in cahoots with

the tories throughout the 1930s in the national government. but the essentially themselves the essentially did themselves out of a job by allowing their to party over rule before to party over home rule before this . so the to party over home rule before this. so the argument is actually that didn't so much beat the liberals as the liberals beat themselves into oblivion came oblivion and then labour came through. idea say reform through. the idea say reform would through . people would come through. people thought about ukip and they thought this about ukip and they neven thought this about ukip and they never, ever, ever managed to win a seat. yes, they a parliamentary seat. yes, they won european parliament won the european parliament three seats and they did in local elections times. but local elections at times. but just couldn't break through at westminster. the system gets against think is a against it, which i think is a rather thing because now rather good thing because now this a desperately unpopular this is a desperately unpopular point. i think system works well with two main parties and a third party there to in ways it's chase the others and i hear what you're saying but it's not good for many of my viewers and listeners mark dolan tonight who feel politically . so here's the feel politically. so here's the answer join feel politically. so here's the answerjoin political party and change it . we have to really change it. we have to really parties. you may not like them either of them i'm not a member of either and i don't particularly like either of

them. but you can go join it and you can change it from within that the way to actually make political change tony blair did in with labour in the nineties with labour yet it's tories did in the it's what the tories did in the 19805 it's what the tories did in the 1980s extremely successfully a lot of the people are in lot of the people who are in parliament today came conservative politics in the 19805 conservative politics in the 1980s 1990s. conservative politics in the 19805 19905. if you want to 19805 and 19905. if you want to change this country, change things in this country, that your route doing it, that is your route to doing it, joining a party reform like joining a party reform or like the brexit or any a number of richard tice is another people's small well pressure small things. well pressure groups not really groups they're not really political and i political parties and i just don't think that they can they can there an outlet for can work there an outlet for anger is fine. yeah some anger which is fine. yeah some people need an outlet for anger, but they're not political movement. this isn't the first time the have been time that the tories have been controlled left of their controlled by the left of their party. it was margaret thatcher had to face down the tory wets in the early eighties. yes, indeed. forget yes, indeed. like on your point about oh, they one of us is what she is. well this is a point tories have is a point the tories have drifted the left because they drifted to the left because they would thought they had to go there win the election. let's there to win the election. let's not of thinking not make the mistake of thinking

that starmer is some kind that keir starmer is some kind of bland, he's not. of bland, centrist. he's not. he's left wing. he he's very, very left wing. he was a supporter of jeremy corbyn. he's a marxist. he's a dangerous and we mustn't dangerous man and we mustn't marxist. marxist. marxist. he's he's a marxist. i think if you look at keir starmer's history and he was the editor of a marxist magazine his twenties the fact twenties and look at the fact that corbyn right that he supported corbyn right until it looked like corbyn was going sink the labour party going to sink the labour party forever. this is not man to be trusted, this is not a centrist, is not tony blair marxist. i'm going disagree that. going to disagree you on that. but look, you but you go, well, look, are you ready a bit of dolan, ofcom ready for a bit of dolan, ofcom ? of course , would argue ? because of course, would argue that he's ahead the polls and that he's ahead the polls and that must be because he's attractive to voters but what do you think , mark gbnews.uk , let's you think, mark gbnews.uk, let's be to amanda in eighth sussex. amanda great to have you back on the show. what's happening this saturday ? hi, mark. nice saturday night? hi, mark. nice to see you again. it's great to have you back on the show. what do you think? are you politically homeless? would you like party vote for? i'm like new party to vote for? i'm definitely finished here. homeless and. i am at a loss to

be honest as to who i would vote for. i mean, i always voted conservative in the past and i have been a conservative person and i was raised by parents who always voted conservative. and i believe in conservative values. but i don't feel that we have the path at the moment to even offer conservative values anymore . that, i think, is what anymore. that, i think, is what anymore. that, i think, is what a lot of people the country are feeling. and many of us are very, very frustrated because we know that , for instance , is the know that, for instance, is the only other alternative in terms of small parties is at the moment that anywhere in the polls. they're not going to be able to do enough to garner any huge amount in the next election . so the is it feels very like to a lot of us about what we do to a lot of us about what we do to get some kind of conservative

policy going in this country again and to save the country because i do think if labour get in if we think we've got it bad just wait till keir starmer is in power because i agree with what your guest said . keir what your guest said. keir starmer is a dangerous politician and he's not a centrist. he's definitely more of a hard radical who left best. and that really, really frightens me for the country. so i'm i'm at a loss as to who would vote for in the next election . i mean starmer election. i mean starmer certainly was rather keen on corbynite type policies, but he argued recently , amanda, that argued recently, amanda, that things have we've had a pandemic. the country's got more debt and he's promising to actually be very careful with pubuc actually be very careful with public spending, balancing books and focusing on growth . are you and focusing on growth. are you not buying that ? not no. no, not buying that? not no. no, he's not going to fool me . he he's not going to fool me. he will say whatever he needs to

say. mark to get elected and he feels that now the momentum is on his side, which clearly by the polls, it seems to be. but i think once gets into power we will have tony blair in the background running the government and that's what scares me the i think we'll have another rendition of tony days i want to remind you about tony blair's influence influence i find him very frightening. he is a with digital and that the may would be the final nail in the coffin. i would literally want to leave the country if we went down that road i live in a totalitarian and that's what digital leads to totally . i digital leads to totally. i agree with you we had a taste of that during the pandemic and it was dystopian hell wasn't it amanda we talked about on this show you and i talked about it on my old radio show as. well,

you've been very consistent on that and. i think, amanda, history will judge, you kindly don't go anywhere. let's bring zachary back . zachary, of zachary back. zachary, of course, the east midlands , course, in the east midlands, which of my favourite which is one of my favourite parts , country, zachary what parts, the country, zachary what do you think about this? a brand new political party? is it reform uk or is it a party that we haven't even heard of yet and a leader that we don't know ? it a leader that we don't know? it could be mark and i would welcome that and incidentally, i have are not politically homeless. i have a very warm and loving home and i feel sad when amanda and others say that they do feel particularly homeless . do feel particularly homeless. i'm almost one of the worst people to ask about this because . i'm as likely to change my political parties and my football team. i will always vote for the same party, no matter what. and am i allowed to ask which party would be zachary ? oh, you're wrong of me to say live on the air. okay. okay but you have your you have your loyalty . is that because? loyalty. is that because? because when i go into the

voting booth, every four or five years, i always have a thing, right? who should we go for? this time. is that not your thought process? no. and maybe i should open my mind the possibilities. but i suppose it's just i. possibilities. but i suppose it'sjust i. i got hope. possibilities. but i suppose it's just i. i got hope. too youngin it's just i. i got hope. too young in a particular party and i stuck them and i was about to say , you know, that could be a say, you know, that could be a zachary party committed to delivering for zachary and i wouldn't vote for them even. it'5 wouldn't vote for them even. it's just the way i am. but would very much welcome as many political parties as want to start . and i know we talked start. and i know we talked about reform uk. what about our good friend reclaim of course, which is which is the laurence fox is party there's also the heritage party which is led by david kirton . there's the sdp david kirton. there's the sdp who i think are pretty i think economically on the left , but economically on the left, but culturally they're on the right. they're more conservative. and then of course know you've got then of course know you've got the greens and god knows what

else i mean. let's bring amanda and david in as well if i can, zachary, to widen this converse . david, what would you say to my viewers who ? email me every my viewers who? email me every time on air that they're praying for reform uk to do well in the next election that they will be voting for richard tice who is i think probably the most compelling alternative voice to the conservatives as we have it and they just want change and they won't buy your idea changing the conservative party . they think the tories are a woke now and so design by the way there's an argument there and is one of the reasons that i don't like the tory party much myself, despite having voted predominantly it over years predominantly for it over years in which i've been able to vote. and the past, having and indeed in the past, having been a member and a campaigner. the problem is that our political system does not mitigate a new to party through. and if enough people vote and what if enough people vote for tice? they're going for richard tice? they're going to too just too distributed

to be too just too distributed the country unless . every single the country unless. every single person who wants to vote for richard having been part richard thyssen having been part of same of moves to the same constituency kind of constituency in some kind of previously unheralded aspect of or attitude towards voting, and they could well do this if they were so minded. it's just not going to happen. i understand the frustration entirely i share frustration, but i think unfortunate really the only way that we can recover conservatism in this country is through the conservative. it's a 400 year old beast that knows how to survive and knows how to win power. and when you look at history, you have to actually accept that there there are times learn from it. times when you learn from it. this is one of those times margaret thatcher and others who took conservative party from took the conservative party from the towards being the left back towards being a truly party in the truly conservative party in the late seventies and eighties and nineties so from within , if nineties did so from within, if you want to effect change in country of a political nature, the way to do it is through one of the main parties. now you could go and join the liberal democrats really democrats if. you really embraced irrelevance. but let's say are serious about

say that you are serious about power. then you have a stark choice. it's labour or the conservatives. like conservatives. you may not like it, that's your choice. it, but that's your choice. that's you've to of that's what you've got to do. of course, forget the dems course, don't forget the dems were in but i do were in power in 2010, but i do take your point. the clock's against us. but i think is your swan you're going to talk swan song. you're going to talk about you? yes about acts later on. you? yes no. amanda, what about proportional say proportional representation? say that count . yeah, that your vote does count. yeah, yeah.i that your vote does count. yeah, yeah. i like idea. i think that would be, you know, a fair way , would be, you know, a fair way, but , you know, i would be, you know, a fair way, but, you know, i think would be, you know, a fair way, but , you know, i think the but, you know, i think the concept party now , don, for the concept party now, don, for the foreseeable future and that is the thing that scares me the most because it's like how many years are we going to have these crazy woke policies , forced upon crazy woke policies, forced upon us? because that's what's coming down the tracks via a labour government. i don't disagree, amanda. we'll catch later to talk about drag shows and zachary thank you for another brilliant first rate contribution. next on the programme we be asking whether children and toddlers should be

going to drag shows men dressed as women with the decolletage hanging out throwing their backside in the air and the legs are all over the place. legs akimbo, no x—rated stuff . do you akimbo, no x—rated stuff. do you really want kids to watch that ? really want kids to watch that? and also, is lee anderson right that we should be getting prisoners to work in order to the economy ? a lot to get the economy? a lot to get through and after this, i will give you the results. our twitter poll, would you for a new political party that took on labour and the tories. all of thatis labour and the tories. all of that is .

next now earlier the show, i asked whether you would vote for a new political to take on labour and the tories. that's the subject of our text poll as well on

twitter at gbnews.uk. well the results in the people's poll has found that 83.2% said yes, they would vote for a new party that challenged labour in the tories 16.8% say no . now you won't 16.8% say no. now you won't believe . this next story there believe. this next story there has been a 300% rise in drag shows being performed in uk schools libraries and churches . schools libraries and churches. you heard me right. cross—dressing cabaret have been a pillar of british culture for decades. a pillar of british culture for decades . less doors and always decades. less doors and always look brilliant in stockings. but drag shows are sexualised performances . it's what it's all performances. it's what it's all about. it can be fun, but should children watching these kinds of . let's speak to andrew in essex again andrew , what do you think again andrew, what do you think about the idea drag artists cavort sing throwing their backsides in the air legs akimbo in front of small children . as in front of small children. as an uncle, i actually say no in

terms in principle, the idea of drag, you know, is like when i'm in a polo gradi dressed as lily savage , something like that, savage, something like that, someone just doing the impersonation . i'm all i've got impersonation. i'm all i've got now. it's as an art form that's puffery . but obviously the puffery. but obviously the problem is that schools may be struggle learning strategies in terms of going inclusion and diversity and sort of raising . i diversity and sort of raising. i would say that lgbt history month was last month . maybe it month was last month. maybe it was of those things that happened during that six months. but, you know, as sex is way for children perhaps if it was like the sixth form when 6 to 18 or or you know they do but there is events at universities where i've supported students that's because people are , you know, because people are, you know, able to consent. and so but in terms of children, no , i it's terms of children, no, i it's not something that i would want any of my nephews, the youngest one will be four in, you know,

in may and the oldest will be 11. and in my so, you know, i, i just think there's a time and a place and also the appropriateness , you know, appropriateness, you know, depending on the audience. so i mean, i'm not against that i'm, you know, i like , you know, lily you know, i like, you know, lily savage, you know, i'm 40 this year and, you know, in terms of kind of when she was on telly but i was it wasn't particularly but i was it wasn't particularly but there was no kind of sexualised it well it's lily lily played by the brilliant comedian paul o'grady was incredibly witty very glamorous but there was no sexual innuendo there was innuendo but you get, you know, bombs , boobs and all you know, bombs, boobs and all the rest of it. i mean, let's bnng the rest of it. i mean, let's bring amanda into , east sussex bring amanda into, east sussex on that subject of bums and boobs and. amanda, i just wondered whether there's a slightly darker agenda at play here. i think that in some circles this is grooming this is

normalising this kind of stuff for the next generation, absolute lutely this subject makes me so mad. i really absolute lutely this subject makes me so mad . i really have makes me so mad. i really have to take a deep breath before i start speaking about it . because start speaking about it. because for me, this one of the most immoral abhorrent agendas that has ever been perpetuated in this country. and they base from america because and it's only our country so far in europe seems to doing this because i've just come back from a weekend in rome last weekend and you what i didn't see any sort or any sound of any of this going on over there . i don't know why our there. i don't know why our country is copying america in terms of this woke ness because the transgender is all part of the transgender is all part of the woke agenda and just i was leaving america when i was living there before the pandemic as . i was leaving to come back as. i was leaving to come back to england. i had a feeling that

this was going to over to the uk and it has most definitely followed me because i cannot believe how much it's taken a grip of society in. this country. it is so disturbing me. it is so morally wrong . children it is so morally wrong. children should not be exposed to this in any shape or form. it is adult entertainment. it should remain in drag clubs that adults normally go to, which is how it always used to be. why do they think it's , okay, to put this in think it's, okay, to put this in front of children? i'm even babies? just recently at a club in london or a place london where. yeah, this guy hanging ropes in the ceiling, wearing to nothing in front mothers with their babies . what is wrong with their babies. what is wrong with their babies. what is wrong with the parents? for another matter, why would you take your young or your baby to something like that because it's immoral? because think they're naive and stupid and do realise they're being played at david ball let's let's

keep amanda and andrew and bring my saturday sidekick into briefly if you can david. i don't think this is an accident i think it's by design. i think that the country is being brainwash and groomed and they're starting with our abhorrent is a word your previous guest used . i would use previous guest used. i would use as well. i would also say it's deviant this is quite clearly not the same thing as les dawson , as the two ronnies, as lily savage , that it's just not end savage, that it's just not end of the humour we all associate with pantomime . this is with pantomime. this is hypersexual ized. it is propagandistic and embody taking their children to this , i should their children to this, i should say, is worthy of some kind of questioning, if not investigation. but those those schools, those publicly funded institutions who are pushing this on children should investigated and they should revived. i really struggle maintain my composure with this because think it is absolutely perverse . and the lack of perverse. and the lack of judgement in this is

questionable and some cases i think it verges verges on abuse. frankly, i think the a—word is acceptable here and i'm not interested in any pushback that because i'm deeply worried children not being exposed to , children not being exposed to, an inclusive message that's a great thing that can be done through conversation. they shouldn't be looking at sexual dancing and shouldn't be exposed to borderline nudity. crazy world, clown world, if you like . can i thank amanda and andrew 7 . can i thank amanda and andrew ? a brilliant contribution tonight call. wait have you back on the show soon and next up. should prisoners be put to work to help the economy go anywhere

britain's jails are full and our economy isn't as fast as it should be. but deputy chairman of the conservative, a man always making lee anderson had a novel and potentially game

changing idea. he suggested prisoners could be put to work to help out with our flailing econo . so should prisoners get econo. so should prisoners get to work? should they be in the fields digging vegetables and fruits to help with labour shortages ? speak to norma, who shortages? speak to norma, who is sunning it in the canary islands . hi, is sunning it in the canary islands. hi, norma . hi it's islands. hi, norma. hi it's great to have you back on the show. sure you don't get eaten by that plant? you what do you think about the idea of prisoners working and helping with a lot of things that this country needs, including picking vegetables and fruit . in one, vegetables and fruit. in one, the punitive action ? i mean, i the punitive action? i mean, i think that not only should they be picking fruit and vegetables, but i think many should be in chain gangs and digging mines and all of but, you know, it's all very well being punitive . we all very well being punitive. we need prisoners , you know, need prisoners, you know, release prisoners , be

release prisoners, be rehabilitated as well so, although i feel very vindictive towards certain crimes and certain criminals and i want to punish them . on the other hand, punish them. on the other hand, you know, we need to have a safe and secure. well, i agree. i don't i don't think they should be flogged employed, norma. i don't think they should be flogged with whips or in a chain gang necessarily. but work is not punishment is it isn't work a good use of their time and what it is and they do need contribute in my in my to their keep in prison and i do need to help the economy and in to come out into society they need to do need employment anyway sound domestic conditions and the prison service should enter into commercial contracts to provide in prisons. so the prisoners can develop skills and significantly more than they do it possible. i think they can still do a little

bit of the moment of you say, i think it would be probably too expensive to administration . but expensive to administration. but with respect to deducting from their wages and lodging, even though i'd like , you know , there though i'd like, you know, there are ways around that. i mean we could have a like, for instance, a reparation tax in the form of a reparation tax in the form of a compulsory payment of victims for based on some kind of agri business plan . the organisation business plan. the organisation all or prisoners might be required just to save a large part of their earnings for instead of buying non—essential goods inside and, maybe we can deduct from their wages . that's deduct from their wages. that's something the work that those voluntary groups support wives and families who currently struggle to maintain family ties . so in essence, yeah, they be obuged . so in essence, yeah, they be obliged to work not allowed to work. absolutely let's bring laws in. do where you are, norma

laws is in windsor which let's be honest, has been the news for the last few days . the good old the last few days. the good old windsor framework. i'm sure you've , only sobered up from you've, only sobered up from celebrating that one loss. and i believe that the silver bullet for our society is the work ethic . why not start in prisons ethic. why not start in prisons 7 ethic. why not start in prisons ? i think you can start in prisons , but you can't you can't prisons, but you can't you can't allow all to work . you know, if allow all to work. you know, if you've got a category prisoners working, they're quite offenders. so if you if you limited to cafe category b in category c prisoners, then it would work . i actually think would work. i actually think they should be allowed to work . they should be allowed to work. they can use they can earn minimum which goes towards the commissary and then anything over above minimum wage i think should be should be paid back as compensation to the victims of their crimes. that's a really interesting and creative idea.

let's let's bring if we can norma back into this and david oldroyd bolte let's pick up on that point that we just just having a bit of trouble that we're just getting the line back to one of our viewers. but david so we go face to face on this one, faye, because david, let's let's conclude this conversation about prisons . what do you think about prisons. what do you think of norma? she raises good point, doesn't she? which is there's a fine line between punishment and rehabilitation . and there is rehabilitation. and there is a perfectly understandable modus for the prisoners of harm society . it's about time that society. it's about time that they got their justice out so they got their justice out so the prisoners do work, the as part of their rehabilitation prison, as part of the debt to society do work. they're not paid very much at all. a couple of pounds an hour and this tends to go, as your previous guest said into a small pot. the idea that to work on the that can be put to work on the land, i think is fanciful belongs in the 19th century. i don't think, frankly there are enough have the enough of them who have the physical to get to

physical ability to get to work on do what needs to on the land and do what needs to be done. besides, which are logistics it would be logistics so it would be impossible. so while i applaud the sentiment that prisoners should during time should during their time society, be useful, i think there probably more there are probably more applicable ways doing this. you just look at what they're doing already, which is mostly very, very low skilled stuff . what very low skilled stuff. what they could be doing is learning skills in prison to produce for society or for companies that are brought in as your guest suggested, or on contractual bafis suggested, or on contractual basis with the prisons . that basis with the prisons. that also gives them the skills , also gives them the skills, gives them the ability once they leave prison , not fall back into leave prison, not fall back into a life of crime. so you're killing two with one stone killing two birds with one stone here. sounds like an here. that sounds like an excellent plan. i'm pleased to say got everyone say that we've got everyone back. picture back. back in the picture final thoughts, from norma, thoughts, please from norma, gorgeous. norma, do want to close out this conversation from your point of view . well you your point of view. well you know, at the beginning of my career as a lecturer, i did some work in prisons . and with work in prisons. and with respect to the really serious

criminal , the ones that have criminal, the ones that have murdered us and things like that i worked in an open prison and these people , you know, all what these people, you know, all what play these people, you know, all what play is going to be released into the community at some point or and therefore a bridge has got to be built between in them and. ordinary life, society . and. ordinary life, society. when we you know, i talk i talk subjects like creating from creative writing to how to build a nuclear weapon. i mean, what goodis a nuclear weapon. i mean, what good is that? i mean, i it's absolutely ridiculous , you know, absolutely ridiculous, you know, these things. i mean, you've got to have have some kind of way i hate to interrupt you, but what? got a couple of seconds. final why don't you give me 10 seconds? let's in windsor. i know i you called the probation service and that's what the probation service is that you go bndge probation service is that you go bridge between . and release bridge between. and release words , wisdom. we'll do longer

words, wisdom. we'll do longer next time. last november. brilliant debate. next up, my big opinion why boris johnson is trouble for this country .

pieces taken the board. reasons why certainly so many people the united kingdom were not supportive of troops was because they assumed that everybody that was serving was for the war in. but no. and once you sign up, you do what you're told to do. and so there was a lot of us

that didn't necessarily agree or disagree. but you doing what you were trained to do, you're doing what you were supposed to do . what you were supposed to do. new whatsapp messages involving matt hancock reveal how the former health secretary scrambled to save his job after footage emerged of him embracing colleague gina colin deangelo dunng. colleague gina colin deangelo during . a string of messages during. a string of messages published in the daily telegraph illustrate how hancock tried to find exceptions to the rules to justify behaviour. he initially wanted to claim no rules were broken, then to apologise for breaking lockdown guidance before finally tendering his resignation. two days later , new resignation. two days later, new powers to crack down on small boats crossing the channel expected to be announced by the government next week. the legislation is expected to make asylum claims inadmissible all from those who travel to the uk on small boats. the home office would be required to remove migrants to rwanda or a safe third party and they'd be banned from returning the uk . the

from returning the uk. the number of people killed by a russian strike in the southern ukraine in city of operation has risen to. emergency services say they recovered a woman's body in they recovered a woman's body in the debris this morning. a child was killed amongst those killed in thursday's strike, a five storey residential building . storey residential building. meanwhile, ukrainian forces defending bakhmut are facing further pressure from russia with intense in and around the eastern city. the ministry of defence says resupply routes out of the town are increasingly with two key bridges in the city destroyed over the last two days. the mod says ukraine's defence is reinforcing the area. however the russian army alongside , the wagner group of alongside, the wagner group of mercenaries have made further advances into suburbs . the uk mercenaries have made further advances into suburbs. the uk is in for a cold snap next week with temperatures expected to drop below freezing by tuesday will see lows of minus in scotland, minus two in the northwest and east of england .

northwest and east of england. yellow weather warnings for snow andice yellow weather warnings for snow and ice are in place from early monday to late tuesday. across northern scotland and north—east england . that is it for the england. that is it for the moment. now it is back to mark dolan tonight. thanks hour and we'll see you at ten. welcome a very busy mark dolan tonight. in my big opinion. borisjohnson dolan tonight. in my big opinion. boris johnson criticism of rishi sunak will achieve only one thing a labour government. do us all a favour boris and pipe do us all a favour boris and pipe down. the big question tonight i'll be asking makeup be allowed in schools or should girls go makeup and concentrate on their studies ? later this on their studies? later this houn on their studies? later this hour, more prince harry revelations will get live. reaction from the of us showbiz some royal political reporting. kinsey schofield in the news

agendain kinsey schofield in the news agenda in wake of the explosive lockdown files is it wrong to make private text messages pubuc make private text messages public ? also, tomorrow's sunday public? also, tomorrow's sunday papers. hot off the press, right until 11 with full reaction from my top team of commentators. i want hear from you throughout the show. market this show has a golden rule. we don't boring. not on my watch i just won't have it . so for the next 2 hours have it. so for the next 2 hours big debates, big guests and, always big opinions. it's saturday night. so let's spend the evening together. you've probably put the kids to bed by now. hopefully you've got something cold and bubbly in the fridge. or you could just fire up the kettle. either way. let's cracking . who the hell does cracking. who the hell does bofis cracking. who the hell does boris johnson think he is ? boris johnson think he is? cashing in on his taxpayer funded stint at number 10, this ex—prime is jetting around

world, commanding six figure fees, sniping about the current government. and in doing so helping the cervix . free leader helping the cervix. free leader of the opposition keir into number 10. he swanning around the place with his famous blonde trying to show the public they're missing like a shiny speedboat on bullseye that you could have won. well, none of what i've heard from this guy lately is bullseye. absolutely it'5 lately is bullseye. absolutely it's the other ball. and as he continues to defend this disaster and in my view, failed of lockdowns, it's easy to forget it all on his watch . it's forget it all on his watch. it's his fault now . i will give boris his fault now. i will give boris due credit . he did not want due credit. he did not want these measures and the leaked whatsapp messages with matt hancock prove that his lockdown sceptic instincts were real . he sceptic instincts were real. he did not want to lock down, but he did it anyway . it was all he did it anyway. it was all overis he did it anyway. it was all over is me. alas i've got to

lock you in your homes. over is me. alas i've got to lock you in your homes . alas, lock you in your homes. alas, i've got to stop you meeting your family. alas, i've got to the economy and close viable businesses and destroy children's lives. alas, alas , children's lives. alas, alas, alas. well back to me, faye. come on. back on a fat lot of good. his remorse did us an arsonist that burns down your house but didn't want to is no comfort as you watch the dying embers of your home. meanwhile have written evidence from these whatsapp messages that the current prime minister rishi sunak was profoundly against lockdowns. of course he was chancellor and could see the colossal economic damage happening in slow motion . happening in slow motion. perhaps unlike boris rishi, was a proper . conservative the a proper. conservative the whatsapp messages show sunak battled with prize numpty. matt hancock to reopen the economy . hancock to reopen the economy. hancock to reopen the economy. hancock mocked sue, saying that sunak was the spread of the

virus by resisting these ruinous measures . well, old sunak's been measures. well, old sunak's been proved the mail on sunday newspaper reported in january of last year that it was rishi sunak along with lord and my good friend rees—mogg, who stopped cancelling christmas with another yuletide lockdown . with another yuletide lockdown. that's right old rishi sunak saved christmas. that was the 30th of january 2022, when that story came out. and on this program at that moment, i called for sunak to become prime minister. and now he's in downing street's aided and abetted by starmer boris johnson alongside hancock, owns all of current economic and societal damage. boris decided mask kids at school . he damage. boris decided mask kids at school. he didn't want a fight with nicola sturgeon . fight with nicola sturgeon. well, i want to fight with him now as his negativity and egomania sees pursue a childish vendetta against rishi sunak

blame ming, the current pm for his exit from office. sorry you are responsible for own downfall as you limped from one self—inflicted crisis to another whilst in office . and whilst in office. and predictably this week, boris has a bucket of cold, sick over sunak's brexit because it's in his political interest to keep brexit as an wound within the tory party , sunak's deal isn't . tory party, sunak's deal isn't. but it allows us to put a. to the issues in northern ireland and allows us to pursue brexit with enthuse , chasm and zeal. it with enthuse, chasm and zeal. it allows us to move on. arch brexiteers steve baker has given it the seal of approval, which is a clue that sunak may still get this agreement across. the line with his own backbenchers and possibly dare to dream even the deep boris wokeness because bad news for number 10 is his currency . but as sunak improves

currency. but as sunak improves in the job making brexit work and hopefully stopping the boats, johnson's political bank balance shrinks the day. let's look at his record in office . look at his record in office. what did boris do about northern ireland protocol that he negotiated ? what did boris do negotiated? what did boris do about the boats? he didn't stop them . what did boris do about them. what did boris do about them. what did boris do about the woke takeover of our institutions ? what did boris do institutions? what did boris do about out of control public spending and the ever growing eco agenda damaging it? boris drank not just red wine at number 10, but the net zero kool—aid as well now boris has his strengths and in keeping jeremy corbyn out of number 10 with that amazing election victory in 2019 and by getting brexit done in the first place, he will remain a hero. boris will occupy the history books and he deserves. our thanks . but and he deserves. our thanks. but ultimately this spineless narcissist who has an intimate

relationship with the truth is shallow and opportunist he even wrote two articles about brexit. brexit happened one in support and one against the boris brexit did not come from principle , as did not come from principle, as it did for the likes of rees—mogg steve baker. it was polite expediency . he's no team polite expediency. he's no team player and i'm even sure he's really a tory. boris only votes for boris and one will thank him if his pathological political ambitions see him continue to be ambitions see him continue to be a thorn . the side of all current a thorn. the side of all current governments. why? because his disloyal and self—serve thing actions are likely to teach . actions are likely to teach. chief, just one thing. what will they achieve five years of a hellish labour government bog ? hellish labour government bog? bojo you've had your time . the bojo you've had your time. the sun . what do you think? do you sun. what do you think? do you agree ? do you disagree? mark at

agree? do you disagree? mark at gb news uk lots of boris fans out there. so do put me straight if . you take the opposite view . if. you take the opposite view. get the reaction of my guests tonight. the political commentators , the country commentators, the country olympian and broadcaster. you see radio and tv presenter neil fox and political alice grant . fox and political alice grant. alice, is it time for boris to bog ? well, it's very interesting bog? well, it's very interesting i mean, mark, you pointed out so many in your monologue, especially the fact that we have to remember, we have an 80 seat majority an opportunity to majority and an opportunity to implement many of the implement so many of the promises he which he made promises which he which he made to us at the general election of 2019, and he truly did fail , 2019, and he truly did fail, especially in terms actually implementing a conservative agenda. implementing a conservative agenda . and it's interesting agenda. and it's interesting that now when he can speak freely and he's prime minister, he is finally able to criticise rishi sunak the northern irish protocol. but of he didn't exactly anything to help that situation . he himself was in situation. he himself was in power. so i think his motives are very dubious and his criticism of the government

right now does seem a little just very, very sinister , i just very, very sinister, i think. well, yeah, i mean, chris i could be see, i've got lots of viewers and listeners to this show who love boris, but his current interventions are only going achieve one thing, and thatis going achieve one thing, and that is five years of keir starmer i don't think bosses intervention is going to be going to achieve. i think that's sort of on the cards anyway. i think that the past of half dozen years i've told you i know they've been in for longer has not really made the party sort of glamorous people to elect i think policies for boys you know boys boys obviously was for himself he's you said in your monologue politically expedient he's keep himself relatively relevant . you know say on the relevant. you know say on the front pages you see him jetting off to the ukraine to be involved in the photo shoots there . now he's getting fat. he there. now he's getting fat. he shoots now . so he's you know,

shoots now. so he's you know, he's never really been had a courage of conviction and from his office, you know, he's got a lovely, lucrative speaking career now over the other side of the atlantic and he's to keep himself up in the papers for that as well and yeah, i think if he can give richie sunak a couple of blows to the side , couple of blows to the side, he's happy to do that. but we in the scheme of things , he's not the scheme of things, he's not going to be responsible for keir stomach. and then i think it's the way the conservatives have led the country over last sort of dozen years. it's going to do that neil fox should bojo butt out . yeah, i think he should out. yeah, i think he should because you know what good it do although it's kind of interest thing for all of us to enjoy here what boris thinks of maybe what happens with the, you know , with the new northern ireland protocol on, what's happening over there? it's not to make any difference to what's going on

because hopefully that will get through. and as you in your through. and as you said in your monologue can actually put a monologue we can actually put a . behind this and move on now that the people of northern and they once again in a they can feel once again in a way they are of the united way they are part of the united kingdom proper than kingdom proper rather than having divide having this strange divide that was i think boris, was on. and yeah, i think boris, as you also in your as you said also in your monologue, boris very much monologue, boris is very much for boris and he's always shown that fact he sort of that the very fact he sort of was pro—british as against brexit and then he saw me pro—brexit realised that's pro—brexit he realised that's where it looked vote where it looked like the vote was i look i one thing was going. i look i one thing i would say to what i said on yeah you had this amazing 80 seat majority and of course along came covid and covid. one wanted covid and one could quite imagine what the impact of covid was. i think to start with we know he was against lockdowns as come out and then of course for whatever reason they changed and they decided no they had to sort of do what everyone else is doing and we ended up locking and has been a disaster. and and it has been a disaster. and i the years go on, i think as the years go on, we'll really realise why we we'll really realise why, why we force lockdown was

force the lockdown it was crazy in a we're all brainwashed in a way. we're all brainwashed as a nation. we all are terrified by the sort of messaging that was given to us and was scary. think the and it was scary. i think the last years has really scared last few years has really scared me because there's much me because there's been so much from having parties and telling everyone not have parties. everyone not to have parties. it'5 everyone not to have parties. it's actually all the really annoying things that have happened when could have happened when they could have just know what, i'm just said, you know what, i'm sorry, never one he sorry, they never one thing he never seems be able to or never seems to be able to do or any politicians at the moment is just go, i'm really sorry we cocked up here and we got it wrong. let's move on. but no, they keep lying. lying and i think that's what's really irritating people. we've got into now, rishi into this mess now, rishi actually since he came, it seems have he's not the most dynamic, charismatic crazy guy boris charismatic crazy guy like boris is was but he seems to be a safe pair of hands and he's got a lot things under control. he has got this northern ireland thing sorted out and. actually, i really hope for his sake and the politics sake, boris can't just 90, politics sake, boris can't just go, know. i'm going to go, you know. all i'm going to do irritate people and do is irritate people and probably and probably give keir some and labour hand . another

labour a helping hand. another helping hand . maybe i should helping hand. maybe i should just out. i it'd be a good just butt out. i it'd be a good idea. mark dolan tonight boasts the commentator is on the the best commentator is on the airwaves . back later with a airwaves. back later with a fascinating debate . should the fascinating debate. should the text messages ever be made ? but text messages ever be made? but next in the big question should makeup be allowed in schools or should girls go makeup free and concentrate on their studies? that's .

next a big reaction to my big opinion, which you can catch shortly on twitter at gb news. i think that's boris's disloyalty risks. only one thing, and that's a labour government. you are split down the middle on this one. how about this from richard? mark, the whole i'm sorry demeanour from boris does wash. it's not genuine it never

wash. it's not genuine it never was behind that . act was a weak was behind that. act was a weak leader that allowed a collapse in the discipline of governments and an 80 seat majority that was taken for granted. he blew it. it's that . except it says it's that. except it says richard . well, that richard is richard. well, that richard is the view of his biographer tom bower, who i spoke to on this program just last weekend. mark, thank you for being brave to put johnson back in his box says, colin, we need to investigate covid role in appointing fake companies. i don't know that one, colin, but thank you for drawing. it's my attention. how about this though? because this program is about diverse opinion, jones says that was a load of rubbish that you've just spouted the new protocol deal will keep us all under the eu justice system. boris wasn't given chance to sort the rest out because of covid then starmer wouldn't let partygate go because he didn't have solutions either. joan, they're giving me slap on the wrist. joan happy? how about this from sean? if it wasn't for boris , sean? if it wasn't for boris, labour would be in power now. he

won the election . last but not won the election. last but not least, lesley. still, boris bashing says lesley boring. it will. come back and bite you on bum. well, lesley, i've got a tiny bump. you'll have to find it first. it's time for this. yes, it's time for the question in which we tackle a major news of the day tonight, a secondary school in worcester has caused a stir after replacing in the toilets with posters urging the students to stop wearing makeup with one stating the makeup is a harmful drug. the decision has led to a furious backlash from parents and the public with accusations of language. so on the back of this explosive row , the back of this explosive row, i'm asking, should makeup be allowed in schools or should girls go makeup free and consent on charles dickens and chaucer. geography. chemistry equations

and that stuff. well, let's debate this with a couple of very brilliant people in including broadcaster and political commentator precious precious great to have you back on mark i listen i see you've gone makeup free tonight. no i've got my coupons and just very little okay less is more less is more. what do you think ? this mainly relates to girls . ? this mainly relates to girls. i guess some boys wear makeup, but predominantly it's girls. should they makeup free and concentrate on studying ? i agree concentrate on studying? i agree that they should go makeup. i feel like at the moment the children in school should focussed on the education and it's down to the parents to implement these because they are allowing their to go to school with the makeup on. yeah, the school is doing their to like actually have these in place but they're coming from home. so at they're coming from home. so at the end of the day it's the parents decision to make their children either wear the makeup or not although doesn't it give the girls a bit of self—conscious turns you know in the way that i would imagine you

enjoy wearing makeup. why can't a 15 year old do that? i think that you're too young to be wearing makeup? this is the problem. it's the fact that this instant crime has become this huge , massive phenomenon . girls huge, massive phenomenon. girls do makeup, you know , before and do makeup, you know, before and afters. and those videos are actually causing bad mental health. right because the girls that can't necessarily look like the girls on the videos get depressed first and it causes more more issues than necessary . if we understand as an adult, we have to do these things, obviously. do your career , obviously. do your career, movies, tv or even go to your regular job. movies, tv or even go to your regularjob. children are not supposed to look like adults. that's the difference. you're supposed to go to school to learn and adults, go to work and maybe on hair and makeup and do and look fabulous. and that is the one i'm a little different. yeah, i put two, i put on hair and i put i need is and it is a very scary world out there because we can't we cannot stop a from thinking the things that

they think and we cannot stop they think and we cannot stop the predators from violating or to harm our children. but we as parents i'm not a parent but parents i'm not a parent but parents can control the from home before . i get to jane home before. i get to jane cunningham how old were you when you first started wearing makeup? did you wear makeup at school? i never wore makeup until i was years old and i was never to flower in my head because my hair was very naturally curly and i never allowed flatten hair allowed to flatten my hair until i was 16 because my parents believed it made me look like an aduu believed it made me look like an adult . well, i tell you what, adult. well, i tell you what, we've got a fantastic line up of contributors to this conversation. with is conversation. with us now is renowned content . jane renowned beauty content. jane cunningham . jane, renowned beauty content. jane cunningham .jane, great renowned beauty content. jane cunningham . jane, great to renowned beauty content. jane cunningham .jane, great to have cunningham. jane, great to have you on show. is makeup a good or a bad thing ? young girls ? well, a bad thing? young girls? well, i think there is just such a big spectrum here because you know how young are we talking? i would say for an eight year old, it's completely inappropriate . it's completely inappropriate. but for an 18 year old, it's not

it's not inappropriate . do such it's not inappropriate. do such a huge spectrum. and one of the things that i would say actually point eight is be there's no of boys because boy, do i make t is that it's not it's not like it's just girl thing it just isn't any more it's just across the genders . but also to any more it's just across the genders. but also to think about people a skin because they hide or something like that and it behaves like an invisible farmer nobody's talking about looking like kim kardashian yet and i to and award ceremony we're just talking basic yeah invisible armour i think . yes i suppose i armour i think. yes i suppose i mean i'm not the expert as you're probably noticed, jane. facti you're probably noticed, jane. fact i could do with you here before the show every but foundation and right. so just a little bit of colour in the skin and smooth it out cover some spots i would that as completely acceptable if that's what it takes to get somebody here is i

mean acne is just such a terrible comfort saka i mean it's very common it's very normal but it it can really reduce an otherwise very confident child into somebody who's not quite themselves . who's not quite themselves. they, they, you know, your is the first thing that you see. so i would immediately say foundation should be okay across the board it's completely fine if you have something you need to cover to be yourself, then that should be absolutely fine . that should be absolutely fine. faye, can you can you put precious one of these boxes? because i'd like to bring her back into the conversation. i alongside jane. if i can. there you go. so just little bit of face covering, a little bit of foundation and what's the problem, lip maybe. i think lip gloss is fine, too. maybe a 14 year old, 15 year old or 16 year old. but anything like a 12 year old. but anything like a 12 year old should not be wearing any form makeup, anything that looks like it could be in intentionally trying to make that child look like an adult. there has to be a line between

children and adults. and i feel like what's going on in society right now, the lines are blurred consistently and need to be making sure that children are safe and making your child go out of the house during monday to friday school in a full face of hair and makeup. is inappropriate and the child needs because we can't control the world but we can make sure our children as a child needs because men and ability because you are intentionally trying to receive that attention and that you shouldn't be guessing at 12 years old. yes i do understand you can get actual cream foundations where you can cover your blemishes . that is totally your blemishes. that is totally different than . getting a full different than. getting a full face of makeup and going to school. i went to catholic school. i went to catholic school . you have rules and school. you have rules and regulations that. well, rules and regulations a right reasons. i mean, obviously i'm an adult. i mean, obviously i'm an adult. i do worry about that. mark but

not to the child. yeah. as a child, you need those rules in place. okay, so you can't just let your child to school however they want to go. okay, jane, come back , if you could. yeah come back, if you could. yeah will. because it's a very naive assumption to assume that girls or any any people are wearing makeup to attract the male gaze. but they do do intentionally. but they do do intentionally. but that's what happened that jane jane, speak. let's let's kiss and make up. but they are copying tiktok. they are copying . instagram's very dangerous it's not perfect. it's like an art form. it's actually not dangerous unless put it into a context . you're you're i mean a context. you're you're i mean a lot these girls are doing it and they're not doing it. this is and if you think that some if your perception is that all makeup is to attract attention then you're very wrong because you're presenting yourself in a way that is an adult.

you're presenting yourself in a way that is an adult . and when way that is an adult. and when you're a child, you're supposed to be focussed on your education and going to school. now, i didn't say jane let let pressure speak. now, i'm not saying that let's have a precious minute. i'm not saying that children should wear makeup as in at home when they're playing with their friends on the weekends with their parents in a safe space. but when you leave your home you do not want your child in a full face of makeup, walking to school in. the public where there is predators around and people that could to harm them. this is the reason we have to control certain things for things never happen. and that's why somebody some you just got to stop thinking like the world is like, you know, happy go lucky we have to put these rules place and a 12 year old should not be wearing a full face of makeup it's just it shouldn't happen. that's all my opinion. it'5 happen. that's all my opinion. it's just fine , but not like, it's just fine, but not like, okay, you . you've made your okay, you. you've made your point very eloquently, precious jane, it's over to you all. this is such a broad subject . if

is such a broad subject. if we're talking about 12 year olds, that's one thing, if we're talking about 16 year olds, that's maybe thing. if we're talking about eight year olds, that's another thing. but you don't them of record. don't see them as a of record. now, nobody live like it's now, nobody can live like it's just . but also don't just impossible. but also don't assume that it's not something creative and. it's not something that people can feel passionate about and that they can home in the beauty industry . i the beauty industry. i understand. i totally preface my if they can, then take on to a career. it's autistic . we have a career. it's autistic. we have a british beauty council because the beauty industry so much money to this country and they are desperate for people to creative in it. so just to bring it to down some might look at you when you go to school it's just so and it's just not really the point . okay well jane, you the point. okay well jane, you all as the british beauty blogger, do you check out jane's work ? brilliant to have you on work? brilliant to have you on the show with that first

appearance. let's do it again soon. and my thanks to a good friend. the show precious mule . friend. the show precious mule. quite there. what's quite a debate there. what's your mark? to gb news. your view, mark? add to gb news. .uk now coming up next, a developing story in relation the telegraph and those what messages we're going to discuss that next. but quite a big story . you won't want to go anywhere

you're watching mark holland tonight. and this is a live news channel. we've got the most outrageous political that's breaking. it's a developing story and it comes from tomorrow's sunday telegraph. it'5 tomorrow's sunday telegraph. it's in relation to the lockdown files. those whatsapp messages that were released by the isabel oakeshott . she wrote a book with oakeshott. she wrote a book with matt hancock and he handed over all of his whatsapp messages throughout the pandemic. she decided to break a non—disclosure agreement in the

pubuc non—disclosure agreement in the public and oh boy, is this in the public interest because the telegraph are reporting that matt hancock wanted to and i quote, deploy a new covid variant to frighten pants off the british public and ensure they complied lockdowns. this to , according as i say, leaked messages from those whatsapp groups seen by the telegraph in another message, simon case, the cabinet secretary for top her figure within said that the fear guilt factor was vital in ramping up the messaging during the third national lockdown in january 2021. now what these allegations what these alleged messages tell us is that the health secretary and perhaps other figures in government leveraging fear and panic in order to get us to comply with worked and have proved to be controversial. covid

restrictions as it goes on. matt hancock the previous month appeared to suggest in one message that a new strain of covid that had recently emerged would be helpful in preparing the ground for the looming lockdown by scare people into compliance yes, we frighten the pants off everyone with the new strain is a direct quote from hancock from tweets his colleague damon poole, one of hancock's media advisers , said, hancock's media advisers, said, yep' hancock's media advisers, said, yep, that's what we'll get. proper behaviour change. those are the messages you've . got it. are the messages you've. got it. folks in black and white. this is a story . folks in black and white. this is a story. it's going to dominate the political conversation far beyond the next 24 hours. but we wanted to get that you straight a away at the moment that we've received it. let's get reaction now . our let's get reaction now. our excellent commentators on tonight's show we have olympian chris broadcaster neil fox and political commentator alice alice, this looks to be a

shocker . matt hancock when do we shocker. matt hancock when do we deploy the new variants ? it's deploy the new variants? it's unbelievable. i think they're exposed as exactly what many of us suspected during the whole lockdown process , such as much lockdown process, such as much of this was purposefully kind of engineered and orchestrated by the government in order to make us panic, in order to create fear and chaos and suffering within the population that within the population so that could comply under these many tyrannical enforcement of lockdown. and to be honest , i'm lockdown. and to be honest, i'm horrified by for so many reasons, but also knowing as well that that was one of the most cruel and inhumane policies ever implemented. britain and, you know, even the home policy with all elderly or most vulnerable society , suffering vulnerable in society, suffering and dying alone in care , the and dying alone in care, the fact that that was even allowed to in our nation and fact to happen in our nation and fact that it was basically a kind of social propaganda stunt by our leaders is absolutely horrifying and i must be held to account for this so much for following the science. neil fox well, exactly. i mean, my goodness, five, 10 minutes ago when we

were talking about your monologue, was is a story monologue, i was this is a story that's to unfold, isn't. that's going to unfold, isn't. you're i we you're right. and i think we have 10 later we're have 10 minutes later we're talking about it. i mean, it's great scoop for the sunday telegraph. i think what's actually i think actually quite scary, i think is the is when actually the word is when you actually see written in black see that are written in black and white, go, okay, these and white, you go, okay, these are words. these are saying. are the words. these are saying. people have always said, oh, come you're just conspiracy. come on, you're just conspiracy. you when all of you remember during when all of this was going on? any were anyone who said anything again, just the vaccination or lockdown and they were anti—vaxxer , and they were anti—vaxxer, right? they weren't anti—vaxxers . they make this covid denier silenced and they may have just been going, yeah , like favourite been going, yeah, like favourite far rights. what was this, all of things . you couldn't of those things. you couldn't just go, well, hang i've just go, well, hang on, i've just go, well, hang on, i've just healthy scepticism. just gone as healthy scepticism. do i want get anything do i just want to get anything into maybe just into me? maybe i'll just to think about me and my think about it for me and my kids and now it's coming out that actually let's deploy this new now, i'm not saying new one. now, i'm not saying they up the new strain. no, they made up the new strain. no, they made up the new strain. no, they saying leverage. they made up the new strain. no, they a;aying leverage. they made up the new strain. no, they a new; leverage. they made up the new strain. no, they a new strain'age. they made up the new strain. no, they a new strain ofe. leverage a new strain of political ends for political ends to people comply. ends to make people comply. i mean terrifying. i to

mean it's terrifying. i hate to say what the did say, but this is what the did pre—war you see is what we i think what's similar is just the fact that we see people in positions power who are just so totally by that power who are just desperate to wield this very tyrannical and authoritarian grip over the population for political purposes, for control, which is just and you remember those posters, the scary posters look into their eyes tell them, into their eyes and tell them, you you broke the you know, why you broke the rules. mean, all of that, rules. i mean, all of that, clearly, they vulnerable clearly, they were vulnerable people protect, but people we had to protect, but also have to think about the also we have to think about the mental well as the mental health as well as the population the time. population at the time. and i think one of the most frightening things is that obviously this was obviously all this fear was causing suffering, causing so much suffering, especially people at the especially young people at the time, scared to time, who felt so scared to go out scared to their out too scared to hug their relatives with fear that they would and for causing would be blamed and for causing deaths the most deaths or whatever was the most insane think amount insane i think amount of propaganda with such propaganda we've seen with such detrimental health. detrimental to mental health. you know it's my job to balance every that we have chris on bbc and of course matt hancock is not here to defend would not here to defend he would argue himself the

argue that himself the government strove get everyone tested to get people vaccinated it to save lives . the government it to save lives. the government would argue that many more people would have lost their lives. if we hadn't had these measures. well a lockdown sceptic. i'm not so sure, particularly given that we now black evidence. but black and white evidence. but they leveraged fear around covid even if they were not a particularly game changing threat . yeah, i mean, it doesn't threat. yeah, i mean, it doesn't me defending the stuff is here. it's actually quite shocking when it if you think was actually transpiring here it's quite shocker and there's a lot of people who felt coerced into taking the intervention the vaccine the intervention and when they see this and you know they were pointing at people like myself who was most kept a little more cautious and hang on ineed little more cautious and hang on i need more evidence especially because you are an athlete you look after your body, you're always care for about what goes in 100. one under the sun. and i just think of the betrayal of

some people who really believed the felt following the the science felt following the science, betrayal of this is science, the betrayal of this is about oakeshott deserves a better you know to be it to have come out and come out against this like this to against the nda which must have been a massive thing for me but wow what a bombshell this is a wonderful way to put it as well. i think the betrayal. because how many of us were so obedient at that time? because we wanted it? people wanted it? you know, many people wanted follow many, many follow the rules. many, many british households really felt as playing their part and as though playing their part and the we were being so the whole time we were being so utterly betrayed our utterly betrayed by our political thinking , one person political thinking, one person in was arguably in particular who was arguably being saved. if you being saved. because if you can't trust the politicians, people up in power. we're people end up in power. we're all lost , people end up in power. we're all lost, mate. we all lost. people end up in power. we're all lost, mate. we all lost . the all lost, mate. we all lost. the arrogance of let's grant, when do we the new variants and this will frighten the pants off the public. they talk about us like we're children. that is direct quote from my friday big opinion in which i said we were treated like children. and again, as i

we now have the evidence. we have documentary evidence to prove it. what should happen i think? it's beyond wicked, really i think that obviously i'm very all these messages are in the public interest and it's wonderful they've been exposed for all to see. i think that doesn't they should be some sort of invitation . so i've been of invitation. so i've been worried for a long time that has about this inquiry, which think could be an act covering and the narrative up till now , certainly narrative up till now, certainly from establishment media, perhaps establishment science as is that in fact we should have locked down sooner and people i mean order matt hancock right now has just been on know i'm a celebrity get me out of here he's he's in the public like he's he's in the public like he's just a going to have to eat some humble pie now nobody's like he's just go yeah he's just been welcomed back into public life like nothing's wrong . like life like nothing's wrong. like he didn't cause so much suffering. so many people in this country, like you didn't actually really, you know , so

actually really, you know, so many many people took many lives. many people took their life during and during this whole lockdown policy because of how depressed and how scared could i hancock scared they could i hancock another on this one neil another bone on this one neil because he wasn't the only health minister to rolled out these policies and to have fear. we saw it across continental europe. we saw it in the united states. luckily not not some of the more rational states like florida and texas, but california, new york , beyond, california, new york, beyond, yeah. across europe. matt hancock wasn't alone. now, he wasn't alone . and to start with, wasn't alone. and to start with, of course, i we were going

measures which i believe have aged terribly in my take it ten, we will get a brief light relief by talking about a very famous pubuc by talking about a very famous public figure who's up for the chop. find out who that is shortly. plus for his papers . shortly. plus for his papers. and they are going to be full of matt hancock. i'm sorry. there's nothing we can do about that. lots more on to come. don't lots more on this to come. don't go anywhere.

well on friday. in my big opinion, i said following the release of these lockdown files, whatsapp messages . matt hancock whatsapp messages. matt hancock dunng whatsapp messages. matt hancock during the pandemic to his colleagues i said everything we feared but thought has been right that they were laughing at dunng right that they were laughing at during the pandemic. they were following politics, not the science . well, if you're just science. well, if you're just joining us, we've got a massive developing story . joining us, we've got a massive developing story. this is a huge political bombshell, not just for matt hancock, but the wider government at the time, including prime minister boris johnson, the telegraph tomorrow's sunday telegraph reveal that matt hancock wanted to deploy loi a new covid variant to frighten the pants off the public. that's a direct quote from of his messages and ensure the public complied with lockdown this according to those messages seen by the telegraph in another message simon case, the then cabinet said the fear guilt factor was vital in

ramping up the messaging . the ramping up the messaging. the third national lockdown in 2021 lockdowns that i think we should never have had. where's science? i can't see that they were following . but that headline, following. but that headline, matt hancock when do we deploy the new variants? now cynical and terrifying, we'll debate that the papers at 1030 with my fantastic commentators. but it's time now for news with the queen of us, showbiz, royal and political reporting, kinsey schofield . old kinsey , prince schofield. old kinsey, prince harry. back in the news with a rather troubling diagnosis. pretty sad. tell me more , mark. pretty sad. tell me more, mark. itook pretty sad. tell me more, mark. i took all of these notes for you as i watched prince harry do this live q&a with a doctor who he's a toxic trauma expert dr. mackay . he said that it was mackay. he said that it was a great weight off of his shoulders when he left the royal family although he kept that title so , did his wife. he also title so, did his wife. he also said of his critics, the more

they criticise, the more feels they criticise, the more feels the need to share mark. so we better prepare for. and then he said that his therapist once said that his therapist once said him we're dealing with 12 year old harry here during one of his sessions so , you know, he of his sessions so, you know, he also says he has ptsd talked about how both him and princess never really felt like they belonged within the royal fold . belonged within the royal fold. you've got a great video i'm told when he discusses afghanistan . you know and again afghanistan. you know and again this is i think that we'll go into the video but he says he wasn't quite convinced he had to do it because that's what job was. yes. let's take listen. one of the reasons why certainly so many people in the united kingdom were not supportive of our troops was because they assumed that everybody was serving, was the war. yeah but no. and once you sign up, you do what you're told to do and so there was a lot of us that

didn't necessarily agree or disagree, but you were doing you were trained to do. you're doing what we were sent to do . as he what we were sent to do. as he thrown his former colleagues under the bus, kinsey , i mean , i under the bus, kinsey, i mean, i think so. i'm always to talk his way out of things. it a strange conversation and if we're being harry had some great book sales initially but the reality is there are warehouses full of boxes and boxes of his book that's all this chat was was a way for them to sell more . you way for them to sell more. you got a free copy of the book. you wanted to watch the chat live, and that's really what this was. but i think it's disrespectful to do so close to the to do it so close to the coronation i think that the that everybody should kind of keep it keep their mouth . and if we've keep their mouth. and if we've got the fergie story got time for the fergie story i've plenty of for i've got plenty of stories for you there and she you there over here. and she won't stop talking. i will come to fergie in just second. but you would have thought that harry quiet about his harry would stay quiet about his military given the fact military past, given the fact that has risked lives of

that he has risked the lives of current former by saying current and former by saying that he killed the taliban pleasure picking them off like chess pieces on, a board . well, chess pieces on, a board. well, not only did he put those people in jeopardy, mark, but he's suing your government because he wants police protection over there. i mean, he's putting in jeopardy. he's putting his his own family in jeopardy. jeopardy. he's putting his his own family in jeopardy . let's own family in jeopardy. let's talk about sarah ferguson now . talk about sarah ferguson now. course, she used be married to prince andrew . what she'd been prince andrew. what she'd been up to , but still very much in up to, but still very much in the royal fold. king charles ianed the royal fold. king charles invited her to christmas. this past year. she's been back a little bit closer. the family since the death of queen elizabeth in america right now promoting a book the king charles might be rethinking of that that situation . she has that that situation. she has told an american that she believes the queen is haunting the corgis, that she now has that the corgis at nothing interesting there . you know, interesting there. you know, she's also said that she's never she's also said that she's never

she doesn't know meghan markle she doesn't know meghan markle she said she's never met meghan markle when meghan markle has told us multiple times about fergie teaching her how curtsy. we also know fergie was at meghan's wedding . they were meghan's wedding. they were together at the funeral . queen together at the funeral. queen elizabeth ii. so it looks like fergie might be going to the harry and meghan's school of fergie pies mark. well exactly it sounds like it. and what joe biden he may not make king charles iii coronation. yes his now his may schedule not been solidified it's not released but people at the white house sources are saying they don't anticipate . he'll go. mark, i anticipate. he'll go. mark, i didn't realise there's beef with the biden and the english they're they're they're irish—americans apparently have some real beef there with the engush some real beef there with the english and his mother once allegedly refused to sleep in a bed because queen elizabeth had slept in there before. i think probably old age for the he won't come or maybe it's because he didn't like his seat at queen

elizabeth's funeral , because he elizabeth's funeral, because he was kind of put in. he was further than harry and meghan but perhaps he might not be attending the would any of us him. i don't know. but i'm not sure we would many of my viewers and listeners will not recognise the name. but ron desantis could be the next us president. who is he? and tell me more . oh, they he? and tell me more. oh, they will recognise the name because like kinsey and mark are in the ron desantis fan club . that's ron desantis fan club. that's true. you know , while he's true. you know, while he's talking about ron a lot, he's the governor of florida and he's really of trump's biggest competitors when it comes to the 2024 presidential season . we're 2024 presidential season. we're going to see him go head to head with trump. he trump him, ron sanctimony . yes. he's got a sanctimony. yes. he's got a couple of nicknames him. he's already throwing punches . but already throwing punches. but you know, ron desantis, i think is a pretty strong candidate for president in 2024 because he is

anti—woke and very tough on you know, he's very tough on crime. he's tough on that is common sense that seems to be lacking in some of the democratic states here in america, pro—freedom brexit's an american that believes in america. he's the man and one of the one of the first states that was like we're done with lockdowns, we're done with masks. and what was crazy, mark, was all of the democrats were criticising him, but guess where they vacation owning where they were vacation owning without masks inches away without their masks inches away from their friends and shaking their booties on the dance floor saw aoc and all those democrats rush to florida when it came to vacation time because there were no lockdown and there was freedom in the state of florida. rondais freedom in the state of florida. ronda is my hero a close number two to my ultimate heroine it is you kinsey schofield check out kinsey's brilliant website to die for daily her marvellous soon be award winning podcast of the same name. next up in my

take at ten which public figure is for the chop. find out after this .

it'5 10:00 it's10:00 and this is mark dolan tonight and a brand new hour might take it ten king charles iii gets his houses in order by evicting both meghan and harry. disgraced prince andrew from their royal residences . find out why residences. find out why i admire all king so much for his actions this week and we've got tomorrow morning's sunday papers, including that extortion . three new development codes of tomorrow's sunday telegraph , tomorrow's sunday telegraph, whatsapp messages from hancock when do we deploy the new variant is a direct quote from the health secretary reaction to that in the papers lots to get through be talking about king

charles next you won't want to miss it. harry and meghan and andrew have had their just desserts lots to get through a busy our first the headlines with our anne armstrong . hi with our anne armstrong. hi there let's get you up to date with the top lines from the gb. the duke of sussex says. some british soldiers were not necessarily supportive of military efforts in afghanistan . in a live streamed interview , . in a live streamed interview, the trauma therapist, dr. gabor motty. prince harry, he did not augn motty. prince harry, he did not align with the west the conflict. in his memoir , duke of conflict. in his memoir, duke of sussex describes killing 25 taliban fighters in afghanistan as chess pieces taken off the board . the reasons why certainly board. the reasons why certainly so many people the united kingdom were not supportive of . kingdom were not supportive of. our troops was because they assumed that everybody that was serving was for the war in. but no wants to sign up. you do what

you're told to do. and so there was a lot of us that didn't necessarily agree or disagree, but you were doing you were trained to do. you're doing what you were sent to do . new you were sent to do. new whatsapp messages involving hancock reveal how the former secretary battled to save his job after footage of him embracing his colleague, gina collins . angelo emerged during collins. angelo emerged during lockdown . a string of messages lockdown. a string of messages published the daily telegraph illustrate hancock tried to find exception to the rules to justify his behaviour. initially wanted to claim no rules were broken, then to apologise for breaking lockdown guidance before finally tendering his resignation. two days later , new resignation. two days later, new powers to crack on small boats crossing the channel are expected to be announced by the government next week . the government next week. the legislation is expected to make asylum claims inadmissible from those who travel to the uk on small boats. the home office would be required to remove those to rwanda or a safe third

country, and they'd be from returning to the uk . protest returning to the uk. protest have broken out in several cities across iran over the suspected of hundreds of schoolgirls in recent months. concerned have taken part in anti—government in the capital tehran following an escalation in cases this week. iran's interior minister says investigators have found suspicious samples more than a thousand iranian students across 31 provinces, mostly schoolgirls have fallen ill over the past three months. fierce fighting continues in and around eastern ukrainian city of bakhmut , but ukrainian city of bakhmut, but russian forces have not yet taken control of it. ukraine's forces say they've reinforced area with elite units to hold off repeated attempts by the russian army with the foreigner mercenary group to surround the city. less than 4000 civilians remain in bakhmut , which has remain in bakhmut, which has seen months of intense fighting as russia attempts to take a first major prize and a costly winter offensive . temperatures

winter offensive. temperatures are expected to drop below next week with snow. ice and cold winds predicted for parts the uk. yellow warnings place for northern and eastern scotland as well as the northeast of england and that's throughout monday and tuesday. severe weather means affected areas are likely to experience power outages, travel, travel delays and some rural communities be cut off . rural communities be cut off. thatisit rural communities be cut off. that is it for the moment. but now it is back to mark dolan tonight . tonight. welcome to market poland tonight. my take at ten. what week for king charles who looks to have evicted both harry and meghan and prince andrew from their lavish royal homes . plus, their lavish royal homes. plus, tomorrow's papers live and uninterrupted right through until 11 with reaction from my top commentators. i want to hear

from you throughout the show, mark, at gbnews.uk . and there's mark, at gbnews.uk. and there's only one story in town and it the developing story courtesy of tomorrow's sunday telegraph . tomorrow's sunday telegraph. you're just joining us. according to the lockdown files , these dropped whatsapp messages from matt hancock, former health secretary during the pandemic. matt former health secretary during the pandemic . matt hancock the pandemic. matt hancock wanted to a new covid which was on the horizon too and i quote frighten the pants off the pubuc frighten the pants off the public and ensure that they complied with lockdown earlier in pandemic. matt hancock the then health secretary, appeared to suggest in one message that a news strain of covid that had recently emerged would be helpful . that's right. helpful helpful. that's right. helpful in the ground for the looming by scaring people into compliance. an absolute scandal. we'll deal with that in just a few minutes. but first, my take it .

with that in just a few minutes. but first, my take it. ten it couldn't happen to two nicer people. privacy obsessed , self people. privacy obsessed, self publicists, harry and meghan have been evicted from frogmore by our wonderfully decisive new king who seems to be getting his house and all of the royal houses order to see entitled self—indulgent pair thrown out of frogmore. had made leaping for joy . these spineless for joy. these spineless amphibians will have to find another pad to jump on. i'm with envy. the saga of frogmore cottage tells you everything you need to know about this couple. they were gifted. this stunning after their wedding and almost two and a half million pounds to make their forever home, but which they only inhabited for a matter of months . why? because matter of months. why? because nothing will ever be good enough for the and princess of hollywood . for yoko ono markle, hollywood. for yoko ono markle, the woman who split up the royal

beatles and professional sulk . beatles and professional sulk. prince harry, the world's least happy. prince harry, the world's least happy . now in prince harry, the world's least happy. now in the end, the couple repaid those taxpayer renovations. but only because they knew they were off to la la land if they'd stayed in britain, mark my words, they would have clung to their cash, enjoying this lavishly decorated mansion , you and i picked up the mansion, you and i picked up the bill. meanwhile, poor old randy and prince andrew , a man who and prince andrew, a man who claimed in a newsnight interview that he can't sweat , is now that he can't sweat, is now sweating big time as he faces eviction from the royal lodge . a eviction from the royal lodge. a £30 million, 30 bedroom house, £30 million, 30 bedroom house, £30 million, 30 bedrooms. that's £1,000,000 per room and even 30 bedrooms isn't enough to contain his massive ego. in a hilarious in his fortunes older andy may get shoved into frogmore instead. the habitat for this slim toad all of this paints a

picture of a king that's getting things done . picture of a king that's getting things done. his picture of a king that's getting things done . his coronation will things done. his coronation will be a glorious affair. as charles seeks to choreograph an event that shows britain off on the world stage but does not break the bank. as hard pressed brits struggle with higher mortgage costs, exclusive rent, energy bills, the cost of travel and ever growing food price inflation. let me tell you , i inflation. let me tell you, i was in co—op the other day. i'm a big fan of co—op. do you like co—op? i think they're great, but i wanted to buy a packet. shortbread, biscuits own brand to 55. what the hell is going on? so people are struggling , on? so people are struggling, knows that. and rightly wants to slim down the whole operation, which is why it's rumoured that andrew will lose his quarter of £1,000,000 a5 andrew will lose his quarter of £1,000,000 as salary and be demoted to more modest accommodation . flanked by his accommodation. flanked by his dignified and beautiful wife, queen camilla charles is

slimming down the monarchy, cutting off obscure royals that and i have never heard of and sure that this still lavish monarchy gives the great british pubuc monarchy gives the great british public some bang for their buck for all care, prince andrew could see his days in a premier in. he could bunk up with lenny henry , although for me, even henry, although for me, even a premier is too classy for this man that has embarrassed the royal family to such an extent , royal family to such an extent, i'd say shove him in the hotel california where you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave . and as for can never leave. and as for harry and meghan, they'll just have to continue to rough it in their montecito mansion, which we're told boasts 65 bathrooms, perfect for amount of crap they spouts . well done to king spouts. well done to king charles, flushing out these useless . they've gone from home useless. they've gone from home sweet home to sweet f.a. you .

sweet home to sweet f.a. you. i'm going to have to get off that fence at some point. what's your view? would you like to defend andrew and indeed harry and meghan? it unfair they and meghan? is it unfair they have collectively been turfed out of their digs let me no market gb news dot uk have i been too hard on the sussexes i'll get to your emails shortly but reacting my take at ten my wonderful top commentators , wonderful top commentators, olympian and broadcaster chris abc radio tv presenter neil, fox and political commentator grant chris tucker boozy meghan and harry have been shown their marching orders out of frogmore well done, king charles. so we're still about meghan and harry won't let it go . it's harry won't let it go. it's a good news story . yeah, look, i good news story. yeah, look, i mean, look, i mean, as you said, you know, king charles is getting his house in order and, you know, it should be a public affair. but a clean it is a pubuc affair. but a clean it is a public interest. affair. but a clean it is a public interest . you wonder

public interest. you wonder who's going to move into this house. he's i think that you can duchess sussex if they're living in america don't need the house anyway and let's move on i mean i'm not interested in it all. you you live in montecito. you've got your 60 bathrooms. you've got your 60 bathrooms. you can have . well, no you can you can have. well, no you can probably, you know, sing a for film twice a month and crack on, you know , you don't need you know, you don't need football while talking about the why why . well well, i think why why. well well, i think actually it is a positive story because neil normally we're critical of this couple. actually, this will be received with a great sense of satisfaction from british taxpayers who are no longer going to be banks . prince andrew going to be banks. prince andrew , a £30 million, 30 bedroom house and harry and meghan are separated from, frankly , separated from, frankly, cottage. they probably never deserve to have . yeah i think it deserve to have. yeah i think it since i was going to say since prince charles became king

charles is certainly seems have got cracking in a way trying to work out what his monarchy is going to be like. you know, he's he's letting his house in order. absolutely is royal house in order? you know, his mother was an incredible woman. follow and how you follow in her how could you follow in her shoes? he's obviously going shoes? but he's obviously going to own. there are to do it in his own. there are some things here that clearly he didn't you know, didn't agree. you know, she was a mother was looking a mother and so was looking after her kids and her grandchildren. he's come in and gone, we're going to gone, look, if we're going to slim down, should taken slim down, this should be taken seriously things seriously here are some things that to do instantly that we need to do instantly that we need to do instantly that i think public will that i think the public will take and i'm sure a take seriously. and i'm sure a lot of no one's going to be and saying no, they should still have frogmore i think have frogmore and no, i think prince should still have have frogmore and no, i think prirthree should still have have frogmore and no, i think prirthree bedroom uld still have have frogmore and no, i think prirthree bedroom house.l have have frogmore and no, i think prirthree bedroom house. ihave have frogmore and no, i think prirthree bedroom house. i think his three bedroom house. i think people will be going people most people will be going seems a pretty move where seems a pretty smart move where they there's a family they go look there's a family they go look there's a family they look after family, they can look after own family, but the public but not through the public purse. think that to purse. so i think that seems to be a very good move. and be in a very good move. and obviously we probably want one thing. we are going have thing. we are going to have a whip round you some new whip round and, get you some new shortbread a little whip round and, get you some new showorried a little whip round and, get you some new showorried about a little whip round and, get you some new showorried about that. ittle whip round and, get you some new showorried about that. pounds bit worried about that. pounds 55. i know. it's

55. well, i know, i know. it's clearly something that's really bothering i mean, maybe bothering you. i mean, maybe some there are the some of the thing there are the big problems we should big problems that we should discuss. i think discuss. no, but look, i think this very move from king this is a very move from king charles and so far. i would say him and queen consort have done nothing they've been nothing wrong. they've been fabulous. £2.55 alice fabulous. yeah. £2.55 alice grant, biscuits grant, the shortbread biscuits own way . they're own bread, by the way. they're cope. very good. but cope. they're very good. but £2.55. i'll take note that. well yeahi £2.55. i'll take note that. well yeah i mean you're a struggling student. you cannot dream of £2.55 for a packet of biscuits. yeah quite shocking. now, as you said , your monologue as well said, your monologue as well about the coronation ceremony, which you're forward to, i hope that it's still very much, you know , emphasises how important know, emphasises how important the monarchy is for britain and shows us as best as we can on the world. we're also, of course, taking into account the british households who are suffering so much right now due to lockdown policies and the to the lockdown policies and the economic upheaval, which we've seen . so, i mean, seen so recently. so, i mean, i tell you one necessarily, alice, to see prince andrew on the streets or anything like that but i don't think that in the

current climate it's under these economic circum that one prince should be living in a 30 bedroom house now especially, i think a much more scrutiny should be on prince , i think even far more so prince, i think even far more so than on harry and meghan simply because been involved in some things which so highly things which are so highly devious sinister . i things which are so highly devious sinister. i think he devious and sinister. i think he really should be someone who's scrutinised heavily by public and i think people i think this move will be very popular with the british of course are quite shocked about his connections with epstein so mark dolan tonight boasts the best commentators on the national airwaves. alice neil and chris will be back at 1030 for all of tomorrow's papers . but next up, tomorrow's papers. but next up, i'm going to speak to david maddox, who is the political editor of the express online line? and it's this extraordinary developing story potentially biggest political story of the year far. and it's those lockdown , an explosive those lockdown, an explosive revelations in tomorrow's about matt hancock. that's .

next we'll listen a big reaction to my take at ten. i've congratulated king charles for evicting harry and meghan and andrew from their plush royal properties. let's get some response to this. elizabeth says, mark the of york couldn't sweat for a while because been repeatedly flying his helicopter a decoy for the exocet missiles our friends the french had suppued our friends the french had supplied argentineans. this was the most adrenalin boosting activity . in my first ever tv activity. in my first ever tv sneeze . can i apologise? sneeze. can i apologise? everyone and i apologise to elizabeth for interrupting your email. that this was the most adrenaline activity you could think of and it upset the sweating mechanism . it doesn't sweating mechanism. it doesn't become you to sneer it. i bet you couldn't have done that, nor could most men? well, thank you

, elizabeth, for setting record straight. joseph would like to join that condemnation of my mocking of andrew joseph, says mark. i can't believe how disrespectful. everyone is being towards prince andrew. he's a royal war hero who has been smeared by false allegations. it'5 smeared by false allegations. it's crime being a friend and also gordon says mark, the royal lodge is a 30 room mansion , lodge is a 30 room mansion, seven bedrooms, not a 36 bedroom house. gordon, thank you . that. house. gordon, thank you. that. lots more emails that could reader your emails all night but we'll get to more of them later it's we'll get to more of them later wsfime we'll get to more of them later it's time now for this . first it's time now for this. first look at tomorrow's papers . we'll look at tomorrow's papers. we'll start with the sunday who have not just the story of the day, but potentially story of the year. but potentially story of the year . the lockdown files, year. the lockdown files, hancock's plan to frighten the pants off the public. matt hancock wanted to deploy a new covid variant to frighten the

pants off the public and ensure they complied with lockdown . he they complied with lockdown. he appeared to suggest in another message that a new strain of covid that had recently emerged would be helpful in preparing the ground for the lockdown by scaring people into complete . we scaring people into complete. we will frighten pants off everyone with the new strain , he said, with the new strain, he said, and his colleague , major adviser and his colleague, major adviser damon said yes, that will get proper behavioural change. and let's have a look at. the sun express prince harry's most revealing interview yet. i've beenin revealing interview yet. i've been in fight or flight mode since i was 12. i'd love to have more flight than fight, but there you go . i always felt there you go. i always felt different to the rest of family and cocaine . nothing but and cocaine. nothing but marijuana did help and rishi sunak will stop the migrant boats . pm vows to slam a brake boats. pm vows to slam a brake abuse of human rights laws to asylum . more of tomorrow's asylum. more of tomorrow's papers at exactly 1030 sharp. but let's get an early reaction

now from one of my favourite journalists. he is the political editor of the express online . editor of the express online. it'5 editor of the express online. it's david maddox. hi, david. but mark how are you? i'm very well and i want to give your paper sunday express plenty of a concentration of focus in a moment . can we talk about this moment. can we talk about this massive story in the sunday telegraph ? hancock's plan to telegraph? hancock's plan to frighten the pants off the pubuc frighten the pants off the public ? we thought it we feared public? we thought it we feared it all along . well, we were it all along. well, we were right. a lot of this politics and fear rather than science or our health. absolutely and actually, this is linked . my old actually, this is linked. my old gig at the sunday express as well because we were the one newspaper paper throughout that terrible period deny recent history. there were actually saying this was going on this was the tactic being used when . was the tactic being used when. people talk about the msm . we people talk about the msm. we were the one who stood out. you

were the one who stood out. you were . and it was. it was. you were. and it was. it was. you and it was your. your, your your colleagues, the editors . lucy colleagues, the editors. lucy johnson, the health editor. you who who's our editor. we johnson, the health editor. you who who's our editor . we took a who who's our editor. we took a lot of flak from it. we a lot of flak. and you knock from it as well. but we stood by it. lucy johnson. i'm going to give a shout out for her because she's the health editor of the sun and has been on for three years. for two years now. and do great work and difficult circumstances . but and difficult circumstances. but the sunday telegraph today emails, whatsapp messages prove we were right. all it is a disgraceful period in our history and i'm afraid it's still in some respects people still in some respects people still cannot accept it but this sort of thing went on i still want to justify the terrible tactics which were used to scare the population . they were

the population. they were literally using things developed by cia to terrify the population in into submission . and there is in into submission. and there is an awful lot more to come out suspect in deeds. can there be any defence made for the government? david could it be argued that the reason why they deployed fear is because they wanted people to follow the regulations so that the nhs wouldn't be and that lives could be saved? is that adequate defence? i think that that is a parcel defence and i've always thought it was a partial defence and i think they were getting a lot of conflicting messages . my lot of conflicting messages. my problem with it is that the further we went on we were lockdown and the further damage it was clearly doing to the rest society and the rest of the country, both on a social level mean my son was taking gcse at the time his generation that

school have their gcse and a—levels wrecked but you know who we look at we look at what's happened to the economy we look at the nhs waiting lists all the things which were warned about at the time were not heeded to frankly . you know, the family frankly. you know, the family went on with that . the less went on with that. the less justified lockdown you have to remember even at the end it took a rebellion of 100 conservative members to stop yet another one, which would have been utterly futile indeed. we could talk the, in my view, madness lockdowns. you all day long we could devote a show to it. david ipeer could devote a show to it. david i peer reviewed study peer reviewed study published in the spectator suggested that cases falling before each of the three national lockdowns professor of evidence based at oxford university, carl hennigan, said that that second lockdown, the numbers did not add up, happened to him vilified attacked and

demonised as a chronicle of literally locked out of downing street karl hennigan really was giving and i literally locked him out i mean it was a shocker really . i mean there were a lot really. i mean there were a lot of people not just in this country but around the world, especially the western world, who will a lot to answer for in the symbolic. very symbolic david that a professor of evidence medicine was not allowed to enter ten during the pandemic metaphoric. can we talk about number 10 and the sunday express what a cracking story got an exclusive david williamson and jonathan walker rishi i will stop migrant boats if you can do david maddox a game changer in his premiership ? i think so. it's one thing, but he needs to needs to do. i there are clearly manoeuvres against him boris johnson speech against him boris johnson speech a couple days ago on the is dale from northern ireland kind of

flagged that up really and there's a lot of concerns around now ran a story earlier in the week that suella braverman was telling employees in private meetings that it might take weeks for this legislation to come forward . can tell you they come forward. can tell you they were absolutely livid about it had been postponed at least twice as far as i know. had been postponed at least twice as far as i know . you're twice as far as i know. you're there. are you know, employees who have hotels crammed with illegal migrants , but there are illegal migrants, but there are , you know, problems all over, plans of a red wall, employees in particular, i think , are in particular, i think, are suffering from this and see no way out of way to victory without actually dealing this problem. and finally, finally having promised to in early january , getting round to it and january, getting round to it and good for him. and if he does it, it is a game changer. i can tell you that we've just run poll yesterday showed that the public

think he's a bit too slow about it . yes. get cracking, rishi it. yes. get cracking, rishi that looks like a brilliant addition of the paper. you've just put it to bed. a prince harry splash and also an exclusive save rishi. i will stop the migrant that's in tomorrow's sunday express . the tomorrow's sunday express. the political editor of the express onune political editor of the express online is david maddox. david, thanks. online is david maddox. david, thanks . catch up soon. pleasure. thanks. catch up soon. pleasure. pleasure brilliant stuff. lots more to come. and of course, there's only one story in town. could this be the biggest story of the year politically? it's the whatsapp files and the shocking revelation that matt wanted to deploy a covid variant to america , quote, frighten the to america, quote, frighten the pants off the public. more reaction after . pants off the public. more reaction after. this and all the tomorrow's papers. see you .

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that's not my style. but a big reaction to the co op because i'm a regular at the co—op supermarket. i it i think it's the people's supermarket i think they do a good job other supermarkets available sainsbury's is tesco but sainsbury's is good tesco but they these amazing shortbread they do these amazing shortbread biscuits own brands but like posh like taste the difference type anyway £2.55 for a packet so i had to stop buying them £2.55 which is an example of the horrific food price inflation. well, look, my lovely commentator's not happy that i'm eating these shortbread, but how about this from jonathan marc? the co—op? good. you're having a laugh? it's more expensive than waitrose. well, jonathan, you're right . i found the hard way. right. i found out the hard way. it's time for i guess. indeed, tomorrow's with thought reaction from the finest commentators , from the finest commentators, the national television and radio airwaves. we start with the telegraph how could we not? they've got the scoop of the century. hancock's plan to frighten the pants off the pubuc. frighten the pants off the public . you're just joining us.

public. you're just joining us. a massive massive story, matt hancock sought to leverage the arrival of a new variant saying we can we can weaponize this. we deploy this new variants to the pants off . the public government pants off. the public government didn't . how scare tactics would didn't. how scare tactics would scare tactics would affect the most that in a commentary from isabel oakeshott who is the journalist responsible for dropping those whatsapp messages and also tories accuse simon case of left wing bias over covid rules . next up, the case of left wing bias over covid rules. next up, the mail on sunday sunday. and this is a big story, rishi, make no mistake, i will deport channel migrants pm's to end the farce of asylum seekers abusing human rights laws to stay in the uk . rights laws to stay in the uk. and prince harry says cannabis his mental health as sunday express prince harry's most revealing interview . i've been revealing interview. i've been in fight or flight since i was 12. i always felt different to

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whatsapp message that he sent whilst he was health secretary it'5 whilst he was health secretary it's a series of messages that have been made public courtesy of the journalist isabel oakeshott and can i ask you how this crowd was? isabel oakeshott serving the national interest by dropping, dropping whatsapp messages because many argue that a private message should remain just that it was definitely in the national interest for these messages to be revealed. and i just think how dare matt hancock have stood a podium telling us to follow the science when he's talking, how to frighten the pants off the public and when to deploy about this totally unscientific egg. and it's so disgraceful and so shameful but that he was behaving this whilst lecture us almost every every week about how we are the ones to blame . it is our behaviour to blame. it is our behaviour that must change and how we must be obedient to these rules which were unscientific and which was simply used to just centralise more power, milk control to the

health minister. we're regular on on this program is laura dodson. good who, of course, wrote a state fair, which was all about how lawyers dealt with. it is all about how laura wrote about how the government deployed fear tactic in order to get people to comply. and she argued in the book that it's like letting the genie out of the lamp. because once you deploy fear tactics, you can do it for other things like making people scared about climate change. any number of any other so called emergencies that the government in these fear government ushered in these fear tactics because . it was for all tactics because. it was for all good. it was to save lives. does that justify it. no, not at all. and of course, it wasn't for the common good. how could scaring people into abysmal depression and suicide good for and suicide be a tool good for pubuc and suicide be a tool good for public health? it's laughable andifs public health? it's laughable and it's communist also the right make people of right to make people afraid of a disease in many cases disease that in many cases wasn't going kill now, wasn't going to kill them. now, of course, have 99% survival of course, we have 99% survival rate. it's the science, just the that very fact that you need to deploy to fight people tells how

limited the disease actually was because you would need fight me if i actually people dying in the streets being ripped out of their homes. but wouldn't need to fight me. i'll be doing well, but i'm going nowhere else. i'm doing none of this might sound very indelicate . well, i don't very indelicate. well, i don't care, because it's my show . but care, because it's my show. but if, god forbid, if hiv airborne, you would not have to enforce lockdowns. no, no. something i always thought as well. i'd happily isolate if i genuinely felt that that was an extreme out there, of course. i mean, isabel oakeshott, who obviously broke this story, says government didn't consider how scared would the scared tactics would affect the most vulnerable . like mum most vulnerable. and like my mum , the time was in sort of sheltered accommodation . she was sheltered accommodation. she was 91 i think when this all started and you know every day i'd call my mum but they weren't allowed enough to remember all those people are in homes. enough to remember all those people are in homes . they, they people are in homes. they, they weren't allowed to see anyone and no food was left at doors. it was like she said, i haven't

got much life left in my life but life i'm living now, but the life i'm living now, this my and i know i'm this is my life. and i know i'm locked out. so many people like that and terrified to go. i know so many people. and they so many older people. and they said, take my chances. said, i'll take my chances. that's exactly what my said. that's exactly what my mum said. well, see well, i want to see my grandchild. want see you grandchild. i want to see you guys. i just want to live because is going me. i'm because is going to get me. i'm old. i think a lot of people old. so i think a lot of people like that were saying, please let me get there and just live a bit because we come for home christmas. you this is, christmas. you know, this is, i've got left now. want to be i've got left now. i want to be with christmas. with my family christmas. you know, she said, know, it's so she said, something's got to get me. and it be this could be it could be this could be something be something else. could be pneumonia comes. faked. it was a joke. the is the infection fatality rate for older vulnerable it wasn't vulnerable people. it wasn't 100. you were unlucky if 100. you were still unlucky if covid i5 100. you were still unlucky if covid is a covid took you. there is a flipside, which is yes, flipside, though, which is yes, it's about whether or not, you know, the ends justified, the means. to nhs means. oh, in relation to nhs capacity ambulances capacity because what ambulances were away because were being turned away because oh . is that were being turned away because oh the . is that were being turned away because oh the silver . is that were being turned away because oh the silver bullet . is that were being turned away because oh the silver bullet argument. not the silver bullet argument. sorry for merely someone who can answer that , because while i is answer that, because while i is in my concern here is that

hancock is, is a very opportunist . hancock is, is a very opportunist. it's like a full god. no, no, that before the full guy because it's obvious the whipping boy. yeah, exactly. let's put it all on hancock. yeah him. you either can let him be the patsy, you know. yes course. it looks like a little bit of megalomania. hancock he can be accused of. not even to any hubris. but he is one. he is not the only one. there hundreds of matt hancock, whether it's so that was a cop out anthony fauci in america by the way i think this this show is the home of free speech. i think maybe calling matt hancock a psychopath is possibly like these messages to frightening these messages to frightening the public is like, well, so many people were facing the most dreadful consequences. i think it's fair to say that none of these measures are a tool. i think like normal in terms of like society behaviour. you just feel like you've been used. i mean when you these we've mean when you read these we've all suspected it, you just feel

we've all been used and we've been so now and been manipur so badly now and yet you're quite right, it wasn't you know there an wasn't you know there was an awful time answer your yeah awful time to answer your yeah if the ambulances had been arriving and that was it let's you know space you know let's remember new york remember happened in new york where bodies piling where there were bodies piling up the street. was awful, up on the street. it was awful, actually. there times there. but they control that and they managed to control that and to was like what to start with, it was like what the hell's going on here once they it under control? they got it under control? i think measures all think measures we can all understand because you understand because what you know, what was know, we look to what was happening italy and it was happening in italy and it was scary we wondered whether scary and we wondered whether that that that was going to whether that was going happen. we could was going to happen. we could all three weeks all live with three weeks couldn't. yeah we, could. but then the second then it was like the second lockdown. and then thought lockdown. and then this thought of, it was all of, the third one, it was all insane because then we'd worked out vulnerable all out who was vulnerable and all you do was get the you needed to do was get the vaccine so whatever to people that vulnerable. the that were vulnerable. forget the rest country and locking rest of the country and locking down what happened the down what happened to the economy then everything else economy and then everything else your saying the your other guest was saying the express online editor, you express online editor, just, you know, to do with know, with everything to do with the to now the the economy to do with now the sort waiting list nhs, all

sort of waiting list nhs, all these effects, these other knock on effects, these other knock on effects, the said going to happen the said what going to happen and happened and sadly and they happened now and sadly this has come around now to literally smack them the yeah literally smack them in the yeah and mantra at the time and the big mantra at the time was this follow the was was follow this follow the science this is so science okay and this this is so and big scientific chiefs at and the big scientific chiefs at the were witty and. the moment were witty and. vallance correct. and all of a sudden we're not hearing from them. and it just so happened i googled, i googled a page . this googled, i googled a page. this is just this is actually guardian on the tweets in february , the government's two february, the government's two most senior advisers in will turn their attention to health inequalities and the state of the uk's and emerging technologies . well you know so technologies. well you know so they've moved away following the science the covid which science and the covid which justified a lot of this fear that had to do to now what about health inequalities and the state of the uk's air and energy that itself is worrying me anyway. but i want to just like whitty and vallance and, all the other people who stood there behind that podium and were telling us to do this and

another, another variant is coming and do this again and you know, basically the blame entirely on the public . they entirely on the public. they were the ones not following the science when we all knew that the science behind, things like masking or isolating was dubious. still, when you were made for decades, then we will find we must thrash out will benefit from indeed we were threatened criminal liability if we disobeyed the rules whilst . we disobeyed the rules whilst. our elderly was starving and isolated in care homes. that was wicked . is it therefore missing wicked. is it therefore missing the point to demonise matt hancock ? is it not just an hancock? is it not just an entire generation of not just politicians but senior medics , politicians but senior medics, scientists indeed media figures. well i think tv presenters who write every day on tv saying , write every day on tv saying, aren't we locking down journalists press conferences? i mean, i worked talkradio previously to hear you never could never an invitation to

those press conferences to be lockdown sceptic and say wait minute perhaps school closures will be really bad for children and won't save lives. of course. questions there have been broadcast us on air who did actually dare to question this and they lost their jobs. they lost they suddenly lost jobs. they suddenly lost their you know, their contracts you know, because of those because even a lot of those media organisations had to be following. i suppose that they didn't want to fall out the government. so you just keep saying it all can be. traced back to matt hancock, he was health minister at the time. these texts prove that he was the one who was orchestrating a lot of the crisis point that you'd she'd america you'd have thought she'd america and minister every and every health minister every and every health minister every and country and and every european country and suite but at the same time but there was also other countries like example who took a like japan example who took a more approach to the social effects of lockdown but point is we have an opportunity here, britain, to be different. we have we've been a freedom loving country for . and that that's country for. and that that's something which defines the british people. we have like our freedom for free pandemic plan

that was crafted by the uk in top uk scientists was dumped by us and deployed by the swiss , us and deployed by the swiss, the sweden's and in sweden . the sweden's and in sweden. sweden have had among the lowest excess deaths in europe since 2020. yeah so surely that is i mean, you mentioned you can't really compare countries well in the end, you know, they've got densely cities. they densely populated cities. they have over a million immigrants population. who are a health population. yep who are a health risk terms of metabolic risk in terms of metabolic syndrome things like syndrome and things like that. so actually we're so actually yeah, we're not sweden, wild how sweden, but it's not wild how different. and you would think given that sweden didn't have these they mask these measures. they didn't mask mandates lockdowns. would mandates or lockdowns. you would think, that think, wouldn't you, that there'll noticeable there'll be a noticeable difference. lockdowns difference. yeah, the lockdowns move not seeing move dial. well, i'm not seeing that. move dial. well, i'm not seeing that . not hotels i see all that. not hotels and i see all economy back much so that economy back much so that economy back much so that economy back way quicker because it wasn't open because it wasn't decimated like ours. yeah i think yeah , lockdown was the think yeah, lockdown was the easy option in. a way. it was the option, you know, just scare the option, you know, just scare the public. it was the option to enforce tyranny there was enforce tyranny when there was no and think that's no need for it. and think that's what really upset british what will really upset british pubuc what will really upset british public at the moment is knowing

that an opportunity do that have an opportunity to do things yet they things differently and yet they insisted with us authoritarianism dolan authoritarianism mark dolan tonight the best tonight and boasts the best commentators national commentators on the national television airwaves as television and radio airwaves as olympian chris akhigbe , the olympian chris akhigbe, the radio and tv legend neil fox , radio and tv legend neil fox, the brilliant political commentator, doing some great commentary just there. alice grant . you agreed, you disagree. grant. you agreed, you disagree. let know . gb don't you let me know. gb news don't you take? more from the papers next and some explosive stories. don't go anywhere anywhere .

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about prince harry's latest pubuchy about prince harry's latest publicity drive for his book. sorry, i mean, tell all interview. let's let's have a look now at some of the other papers and how about this from sun express rishi all stop migrant boats neil yeah . look migrant boats neil yeah. look something's got to be done about the problem with stopping the migrant boats. it's a bit like having a leaky and you just keep changing the buckets i mean what they've actually got to do is cause why there a leak? cause up. why is there a leak? and the leak is because there are some scumbags in france who are some scumbags in france who are five and ten grand of are taking five and ten grand of very vulnerable and they're putting a little dinghy. putting them in a little dinghy. what is deploy our what we need to do is deploy our forces. have of the best forces. we have some of the best in world. and the french in the world. and the french special out who the special forces find out who the scumbags are because people coming across europe can somehow these people can find these people then we can find them and let's eliminate them. let's take all out. and i'm let's take them all out. and i'm serious them out. they serious take them all out. they are people okay? once are scumbags. people okay? once they've , there'll be no they've gone, there'll be no route. then they can't . anything route. then they can't. anything is they can't get across. is then they can't get across. we that in crime, we right. you see that in crime, in community is where sometimes

if or , a family if an individual or, a family of criminals gets locked up suddenly crime just stops in suddenly the crime just stops in a area and there are a few a whole area and there are a few people who are making millions, making millions, some very vulnerable across. vulnerable people coming across. they're their they're happy to take their money. people risking money. these people are risking their mean, once their lives. i mean, once they're boats and they're they're the boats and they're coming treat coming across, we have to treat them dignity and respect. them with dignity and respect. once there. they're once they got there. they're human but stop the flow human beings, but stop the flow and the flows starts right there in that's fine. these in france. that's fine. these people are that begins, people are where that begins, that and let's that whole trail. and let's these people right? well, these people too, right? well, we'll be focusing whether we'll be focusing on whether rishi can stop the boats in tomorrow's mark dolan tonight. it's absolute an issue close to my heart and note to yours as well. i briefly the observer he's gone full trump alice grant tories turn on johnson over partygate this ties in with my big opinion , which i said that big opinion, which i said that bofis big opinion, which i said that boris johnson might think that he's enforcing brexit. all he's really going to do is usher in a labour government by being a pain in the backside and endlessly criticise rishi sunak. what's your view ? well, you what's your view? well, you know, i think obviously the

criticism to some extent is very healthy in a democracy. indeed healthy in a democracy. indeed he was in power and he was the one who couldn't solve the northern irish protocol and now he's pointing at rishi and criticising him himself criticising him when he himself had ample opportunity to try actually the promises actually deliver on the promises he the general election actually deliver on the promises he the :he general election actually deliver on the promises he the observeral election actually deliver on the promises he the observer ,. election actually deliver on the promises he the observer , it lection actually deliver on the promises he the observer , it seems, 2019. as the observer, it seems, of the cigars in there trying to keep party guy on top of mind because is the one thing that could well tell you what let's not give them the oxygen publicity. i know that you are sick to death of partygate. so let's talk letters . the price of let's talk letters. the price of a first class stamp is to rise to above pound in april from the 3rd of april, the first class stamps will increase by 15 pe to £1.10 and a second class stamp will rise by p to 75 p. so is this the end of love letters? are we being out of letter writing ? i mean, i mean, what writing? i mean, i mean, what can get for quid these days? not much . i'll can get for quid these days? not much. i'll get can get for quid these days? not much . i'll get a coffee. can you much. i'll get a coffee. can you and maybe greggs and. what sort of people write letters? these

well, this is it. and i just think it's a shame, alice. your generation why write letters? really so if you're old school . really so if you're old school. yeah. and those people. those people that just fix football and those people do write letters. i'm not going be worried about a pound to send it because recognise the intimacy of actually having your handwriting on a piece of paper sent to a loved one is more important liquid in your pocket . know what though? think of christmas. those times like mother's day, which is coming up, when you sort up, obviously, but when you sort of it's not just obviously mother's just one mother's day. it's just one mother, but, know, christmas mother, but, you know, christmas when have 20 cards when he might have like 20 cards you send out to friends you want to send out to friends and it's suddenly like, okay, and if it's suddenly like, okay, got to be 30 to go and got to be not 30 quit to go and buy stamps yes well as well buy the stamps yes well as well you very expensive and it's a shame if everything emails shame if everything just emails are and it's shame if everything just emails are very and it's shame if everything just emails are very easy and it's shame if everything just emails are very easy but and it's shame if everything just emails are very easy but it's and it's shame if everything just emails are very easy but it's very|d it's all very easy but it's very impersonal. it's lovely to get something does seem great. something that does seem great. so discriminant so you'd be more discriminant about it if the quid is going to give you that much you'll more discriminant about you discriminant about those who you it then maybe it's even

it to and then maybe it's even more valuable though i did spend £1.10 to send you the gorgeous a lovely love letter valentine's day letters. i mean, i've got relatives like to receive the phone bill in, the post so they can properly go through it's you know, they read it on a computer very good point that digitisation of practical everything credit card accounts you name it i nothing to do with time just nice of a piece paper. and they're all asking especially for elderly many especially for our elderly many of i mean have you know, of them i mean i have you know, even my who hold i still have to do a lot of that kind of you know admin for them just because it's difficult to and my feet tell honest need tell me and let's be honest need help so talk about else help so talk about someone else that needs . joe biden has that maybe needs. joe biden has sparked another debate not over government policy whether he's fit for office but due rigatoni with sausage ragu. it's revealed that the us president and his jill both order the same dish every time at their favourite . every time at their favourite. so should you stick what you like in a restaurant? neil this is such an insane story that

this is actually an insane story and talking about it in a way. it's like he goes out with his wife to the same restaurant. they love the same dish. it probably is easy. just order the same. then you can get on with chatting having to chatting rather than having to go and there go through the menu. and there are real opinions are people having real opinions about world is divided. about the world is divided. i mean, seriously get friggin mean, seriously get a friggin neil armstrong crazy. if he walks festival, what walks by this festival, what should you're should happen that if you're with a spouse? yes with a friend or a spouse? yes they should also order something different. and then what you can do is there a rule do is share. is there a rule about. have to realise about. well, you have to realise that if you and that by the way, if you and i went out for dinner and this invitation. thank you, you could have rigatoni. yes. and then have the rigatoni. yes. and then i ribeye i perhaps ordered the ribeye steak. you spit the steak, steak. okay. you spit the steak, i get some of your pasta. maybe we want rigatoni. we both want the rigatoni. i mean, really. but i'll mean, i don't really. but i'll bet think it's boring the bet you think it's boring the way, do you? don't think it's a slightly rude to order the same thing as. you were at thing as your as. you were at dinner. people have said that. rude. i've never rude. is it rude? i've never thought it just think thought of it as i just think i restaurant etiquette i just think with the united states america and most powerful

america and the most powerful man in the world i mean easily. a very. well, a little bit. not very. well, that's true . maybe this a little bit. not very. well, th a 's true . maybe this a little bit. not very. well, tha mistake true . maybe this a little bit. not very. well, tha mistake . true . maybe this a little bit. not very. well, tha mistake. he'sz . maybe this a little bit. not very. well, tha mistake . he's just.aybe this a little bit. not very. well, tha mistake. he's just he's this a little bit. not very. well, tha mistake. he's just he's hiss is a mistake. he's just he's his wife. what were you to say? what you said about what she's getting? what the type you were. sorry he order the same thing when you go out to a restaurant, if you've got a favourite restaurant, it the same dish every time. or do you go around the menu and there are a few dishes that that. i've dishes that like that. i've tried tested. yeah. so the tried and tested. yeah. so the sea bass always going to come every is the every now and again. clip is the best ten. i might have best one in ten. i might have a little bit of the fillets steak but you know i'll go we'll see but you know i'll go we'll see but for now is steak match. say i tried mix it up bit but i tried to mix it up a bit but my local curry house chicken tikka time. oh, it's tikka masala time. oh, it's delicious. that's now. so i'm so hungry lot gemma too much chocolate , you name it. well, chocolate, you name it. well, your body's a temple but what do your body's a temple but what do you think about ordering the same thing? some people have got

like a restaurant to do that you do you mix it up or you can it if i do mix it up, yeah. i like trendy things. but the problem is if you mix it up and you order like i enjoy it. i mean, well, that's the is it people is like stick to the stick to the thing you know otherwise that know you could you could try something the menu. can't something on the menu. you can't live dangerously live dangerously. dangerously dangerously. we've dangerously tonight i thank my fantastic tonight and i thank my fantastic panel of alice chris and neal they will return very soon and we'll be back tomorrow at nine if not for another mark dolan tonight thank for your company. it'5 tonight thank for your company. it's a couple of it's been a busy couple of nights saving our best nights but we're saving our best till tomorrow we will till last tomorrow we will be looking to stop looking at rishi plan to stop the boats can it work will it work. i think it will be game changer for his premiership. if he gets done he'll the first he gets it done he'll the first prime minister to be serious about in decades . could it about this in decades. could it be his thatcher? we're also going to that. it's astonishing. matt hancock story about the whatsapp messages and leveraging farewell we thought it all along so i'll see you tomorrow nine

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