soon and good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online as i've got a question for the next few hours me and my panel are taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headlines right now . this show is all about opinion . mine is this and of course, it's yours . we'll be debating

it's yours. we'll be debating discussing it at times. we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled today is cancelled to joining me today is broadcast and author christine hamilton and also she is here. christine hamilton is here. yes there is no no no picture there she is also a journalist and broadcaster, danni kelley , broadcaster, danni kelley, that's good. before we get let's get your latest news . good get your latest news. good afternoon . it's just past 4:00. afternoon. it's just past 4:00. our arms show in the gb newsroom. the former health secretary wanted to, quote, frighten the pants off. everyone to ensure public compliance with , constantly changing covid rules . the latest leaked rules. the latest leaked whatsapp in the sunday telegraph show matt hancock and his team discussing how to utilise fear and guilt to make people obey lockdown . that included using a lockdown. that included using a new strain of the virus to scare the public . shadow work and the public. shadow work and pensions secretary jonathan told us mr. political career is over

. i think the key thing is that he is account for himself in front of an inquiry. it comes back to this point, isn't it.7 why we need this inquiry to take place quickly. a of people lost their lives. there's a lot of people who think that the way in which lockdowns operated has had long term implications on kinds of fronts. everybody wants an inquiry because everybody to be able to put see the evidence, to be able debate it properly and calmly , and it's why we need to calmly, and it's why we need to get on with it. well, some rail passengers season tickets will have gone by hundreds of pounds today. have gone by hundreds of pounds today . and the largest train today. and the largest train fare hike for more than a decade. ticket prices . england decade. ticket prices. england and wales are rising by an average point 9, despite strikes cancellations that have brought parts the uk to a standstill . parts the uk to a standstill. rail minister hugh merriman says the increase is below inflation, but labour has it savage. travel

editor at the sun, lisa minnow told us the government needs to justify the price hike by more investment in the network. got this. one of the oldest railway systems in the world. but on of that, not a huge amount of investment has been put into it over the years and there's decades worth of investment that needs to be put into them. get the services far more reliable that are actually to that people are actually able to rely system and use rely on railway system and use and feel they can use it without about ever getting to that point of destination . prince harry has of destination. prince harry has defended his previous use of drugs, saying some of them helped him mentally. during an interview, he spoke to a trauma dr. gabor matter , who diagnosed dr. gabor matter, who diagnosed him with attention disorder among conditions. in his memoir, spare admitted taking drugs on a regular basis saying he used marijuana in 2015 while living in the grounds of kensington palace palace . covaxin vaccine palace palace. covaxin vaccine manufacturer moderna announced its new base will be built .

its new base will be built. oxfordshire the moderna innovation and technology centre be based in harwell to help develop m.r. a vaccines for respiratory diseases, including future of covid. the move is set , create hundreds of jobs and as well as within the manufacturing facility which is expected open in 2025. a large fire that broke out at a refugee camp in bangladesh today has thousands of shelters and a primary health care centre . social media care centre. social media footage shows the camp in the south—east of the country ablaze with thick black clouds , smoke with thick black clouds, smoke filling the air. the camp houses , more than a million rohingya refugees who fled a military led crackdown in myanmar in 2017. the fire has now been brought under control. police the cause of the blaze is unclear but no casualties have been a clashes have broken in athens between police and demonstrators over the train crash that killed 57 people. protesters hurled

objects including petrol bombs while police responded with gas and hand grenades following protests . over the past three protests. over the past three days, thousands of university students and railway workers to the streets to voice their anger over standards on the rail network. more than 350 people were on board the train when . it were on board the train when. it crashed head on into a freight train tuesday. it's the deadliest crash in greece's history and the government has vowed to and improve rail safety . the notorious prisoner, charles bronson, will make another bid to get out of jail this week in a public hearing. he's been behind bars for most of the last 50 years for crimes such as hostage taking . an armed such as hostage taking. an armed robbery or proceedings will be live on wednesday with a final heanng live on wednesday with a final hearing behind closed doors on friday. bronson he wants to be released to enjoy what's left of his life . with 100 nations have his life. with 100 nations have completed an historic pact to protect the world's oceans. the

legally binding high seas treaty aims to put 30% of the seas into protected areas by 2030. very little of the high seas are subject to any protections. with pollution and overfishing posing a growing threat. environmental say the agreement will help to reverse marine losses and to ensure sustainable development . ensure sustainable development. gb views. we'll bring you more as . it happens. now it's over to as. it happens. now it's over to good afternoon. it's pastor approaching 7 minutes after 4:00. this is gb views tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana a queer. and on digital radio. i'm nana a queer . now what witnessing now queer. now what witnessing now are the dregs of the month to see toad barrel finally being scraped in prince harry's livestream whinge fest yesterday

at 5 pm. uk time at the cost of about £17, plus a copy of his book, which he has loads to spare. you too could pay for the privilege to watch the couple time, which i think that's how you said a toxic trauma expert and bestselling author of four books published in 30 languages. sit down with prince harry for what was, in my view, an hour long whinge fest . gabor also an long whinge fest. gabor also an renowned speaker and sought after for his expertise as an addiction trauma charter development and the relationship of stress and illness. so i guess he's not told prince harry that after reading the book, i with adhd , he said that he saw with adhd, he said that he saw it as a normal response to normal stress. he told harry, i know there were great moments , know there were great moments, but there were also a lot of trauma and suffering. and harry responds with isn't that the same for most people . yes,

same for most people. yes, harry, it is . that's life . it's harry, it is. that's life. it's perfectly normal . but most perfectly normal. but most people aren't royal can't afford esteemed positions . help them esteemed positions. help them get through it . dr. esteemed positions. help them get through it. dr. martin discussed the reaction to spare and how critics accused harry of wallowing in his own sense of victimhood and. harry responds i don't see myself as a victim yet he goes on to claim that his father put his own interests before him. sounds a bit like victim to me when . intrusive victim to me when. intrusive reports are to be believed . reports are to be believed. diana was picked so she could provide the royal family with as which when charles had to put aside his feelings for the woman he loved, camilla. so diana could bear him some sons. now, as cruel that might, charles as cruel as that might, charles sacrificed love of a woman sacrificed his love of a woman for the monarchy . now is a very for the monarchy. now is a very tragic what happened to diana. but that doesn't negate the reality. charles put his sons and the monarchy first. harry's bunded and the monarchy first. harry's blinded by his own self—pity . blinded by his own self—pity. see this? harry goes on about parents not arguing in of the

children saying do you know what these disagreements arguments whatever it is. luckily my wife i don't have those as if he would tell us if he did. but it's a lot easier when you have a mansion and nannies to avoid arguing front of the kids. and most couples argue about money usually the lack of it, which i don't suppose that he's had to be too concerned about. the duke spoke in detail about the death of mother again . and whilst of his mother again. and whilst i a lot sympathy for him i have a lot of sympathy for him on subject, harry doesn't on this subject, harry doesn't have on loss of have a monopoly on loss of a parent . but people can't parent. but most people can't monetise it, which is exactly what i believe is happening here. doesn't have the here. harry doesn't have the monopoly on loss of parent monopoly on loss of a parent parent , so he monopoly on loss of a parent parent, so he said that dad didn't give him as much affection as he would have liked to join the club. there's a long queue at least you still have one. i'm quite. he goes on about how cocaine didn't do anything for him. alcohol was more of a social thing. complaining the peer pressure surrounding it. but marijuana, he says , is but marijuana, he says, is different. that actually did

really help me, he says. and he explains he takes mind altering drugs regularly and that they are part of his life. he's an addict and encourages his family to seek therapy as well. he's the perfect advert not to go . the perfect advert not to go. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking what lockdown's the abuse of the covid particularly of power, the covid particularly the we know in a the only ones we know in a series leaked whatsapps series of leaked whatsapps telegraph have revealed that the former matt former health secretary, matt hancock , to deploy the private hancock, to deploy the private variant at the right time to , variant at the right time to, frighten the pants off. and these are the words on whatsapp to the people so that they would comply the lockdown. now with these rules having a negative impact on people's mental health and disregard and showing a total disregard the you follow the the public. did you follow the lockdown rules. i know i follow of them and the ones i thought were absolutely ridiculous. so i think simple. and think it's quite simple. and let's see what you make of this.

hancock appears getting hancock appears to be getting emotional morning over emotional on good morning over the it's it's you the vaccine. it's just it's you know it's been such a tough year for so many people and that's william shakespeare putting . it william shakespeare putting. it simply for everybody either, you know, we can get on with our lives . i mean, is he laughing ? lives. i mean, is he laughing? crying? he's apparently crying. he's crying because piers , the he's crying because piers, the conversation with this very emotional for you, then a full 50 it's world view i'll getting all the latest on ukraine as well as heading stateside. former president donald trump in order make an impression. well in, just one day if he was back in, just one day if he was back in then at five it's this week's song that he's got the hands on the buttons today are very glamorous mystery guest she runs shoulders with a—list celebrities and as recently published a book revealing all her secrets about the red carpet. can you guess who she might stay at five. might be? stay tuned at five. that's up the next that's coming up the next hour. tell what think . tell me what you think. everything discussing, everything we're discussing, email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right let's get

me at. gb news. right let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, author and broadcaster hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kennedy. welcome you. it's so nice. thank you . great to be here. good. you. great to be here. good. a little married couple because you've been partying for days . you've been partying for days. well she has. i'm not feeling too good this morning. i know, but there we are. never mind. it was great fun. too much partying, too sleep, too much alcohol. hey you're only young once. see, showed up at some once. see, i showed up at some of. i stay minutes. i see of. i stay for 5 minutes. i see you. i saw you on thought it. even if i did, i wouldn't have gotten. i've seen it by exactly. but were very professional but you were very professional on night was it five that on friday night was it five that you left early because you had your already? i i wasn't your voice already? i i wasn't on the panel then . you don't on the panel then. you don't have a show on friday. what do you think of this guy he is doing his best pay to view this thing. i didn't know had inhaled it. it's snorted the old devil's

dandruff . it. it's snorted the old devil's dandruff. didn't realise he was the devil's . he was dandruff. didn't realise he was the devil's. he was a coke. i've never he never said he was a coke , but he said he's partaken coke, but he said he's partaken in the columbia marching crowd at the news me one thing i disagree with all of the i'm no fan of harris in fact i what he's done to the royal family but one thing that i just can't go along with is commentators always bring in the montecito mansion and the tens of millions of pounds that doesn't make him happy. look at all the 89. is this news? that's why not relevant. see, it's often used leverage. well, i didn't use it as leverage. well, montecito was mentioned . yeah, but that's not mentioned. yeah, but that's not the hotel. all right . oh, okay. the hotel. all right. oh, okay. well, i thought i apologise, but a lot of times people say, oh, look at him crying in his 15 bedroom mansion in montecito. i think that's irrelevant. one thing, i hate what he's done . thing, i hate what he's done. he's almost said that the rest of royal family need of the royal family need therapy. that yes. therapy. i did say that yes. that's disgraceful . that's that's disgraceful. that's basically saying that that up in the head i said sickly . that's the head i said sickly. that's just awful thing to like. not

just an awful thing to like. not if you need therapy. it's disgrace , disgusting and disgrace, it's disgusting and it's true because you do. it's not true because you do. and i think it's such a slur, after to have punch in after all, to have a punch in face. to say that face. that's to say that publicly, it's like publicly, it's almost like saying somebody else is ill saying that somebody else is ill or calling them the things like crazy. imagine if we don't sort of say to people. but what you're what you're implying is that a screw up it's that they have a screw up it's awful. i mean, i found that i watch it. i mean, goodness watch it. i mean, for goodness sake. tell you what did sake. i'll tell you what did notice. i because notice. and i because didn't watch it. i can't say if this is true the way through, but it seemed me that fire that was seemed to me that fire that was flickering was a fake as flickering away was a fake as harry it's a fire. the harry it's not a real fire. the same was going like this same flame was going like this all time and on and on. all the time on and on and on. we see sick of all this nonsense, utterly sick. i enjoy it all. i do tell you to do because it whines so many people i want them to come to the king's coronation. i really do . king's coronation. i really do. because that be like a because that would be like a mexican . they blink first. mexican. they will blink first. they'll be such great detail. it would it would be very would be it would be very interesting to see. now let's just put this out there that therapy good for most therapy is a good thing for most

people. a lot good. people. it does a lot of good. yes but what to me, he's is telling other that they telling other people that they need which is not the need therapy, which is not the answer. if you do, you need therapy. you go when you feel you it. it's not even you need it. so it's not even helpful tell the working helpful to tell the working members, family members, the royal family who are there their job are out there doing, their job day they need therapy . day in and they need therapy. william and catherine and that family idea that it's family mean the idea that it's utterly utterly and utterly utterly laughable and i have never i've read about it i didn't watch it . i've read lot didn't watch it. i've read a lot about because i knew we were about it because i knew we were going to be talking about it, talk about psychobabble coming from it's from that fellow. i mean, it's just ridiculous. i mean, the man to just get a grip. gross bulls and get on with life wherever he happens to live. i think the tide is turning against them. i really do. i think in america are made up in america , are made up in america, therefore, even more out of love. there's a section about chris rock, i think, going to the famous american commit. we're towards the we're going to play towards the end show. and he just end of the show. and he just turns into this really public opinion, was the worst opinion, it was the worst decision. she definitely decision. no, she definitely wears about wears trousers total about growing verbals . she growing a big verbals. she definitely trousers in definitely wears the trousers in

the . she's the relationship. she's something like minus the something like minus 17 in the states. minus she's —17. states. he's minus she's —17. thatis states. he's minus she's —17. that is not their game plan was they thought this was going to cement them as american royalty. yeah, that's right . really yeah, that's right. really backfired. don't also . and backfired. they don't also. and also the fact that he wants to talk about therapy and tell talk about his therapy and tell everybody therapy everybody about his therapy just shut don't know whether shut up. you don't know whether of family having of the royal family are having therapy anyway so emotionally so to say they need it just to then say they need it just because more and because they're more private and they're prepared to tell they're not prepared to tell everybody have everybody everything people have therapy in different ways he has his might to carry his way might be to carry talking telling everybody my talking and telling everybody my way. i was going to have way. if i was going to have therapy, nobody know about therapy, nobody would know about it fight to get you to it you the fight to get you to someone that they're mentally ill. he's qualified ill. well he's not qualified and he goes on and on and on about my father never hugged me. well, i'm if his father never i'm sorry if his father never hugged him, don't hugged him, which i don't believe a moment. if his believe for a moment. if his father his father never came, his presumably hugged presumably never hugged william. well hurt well doesn't seem to have hurt william same way. william in the same way. i should his father was should think his father was hugging this picture's out there. masses pictures out there. masses of pictures out there. masses of pictures out there. hugging harry may there. charles hugging harry may be because of how be rubbish maybe because of how loving happened to

loving, but what happened to remember was a lot younger when his died. so would his mother died. so he would have lot of that, you have missed a lot of that, you know, really need lot of know, boys really need a lot of cuddles things when get cuddles and things when they get to the age where they're not interested anymore and i think the he still the age that he was, he still needed a lot of that nurturing. so what's that's so that's probably what's that's clearly missing. clearly what he's missing. but that that then you that doesn't mean that then you then throw everybody under the bus the family have bus because of the family have clearly their best. we clearly done their best. we don't it right. and don't all get it right. and a lot of the time get it wrong, but do our best. he's blessed but we do our best. he's blessed with so much money, so much privilege. they spend his time winching i told winching the body again. i told you. it was going to creep into this conversation. what's been so well, it's better so much money? well, it's better than let's not cry in than we. let's not rather cry in a in a well, it's not a post in a well, it's not important. yes, it is important. at you couldn't at the beginning you couldn't make difference got make a difference if you've got money are kids out there make a difference if you've got mon lost are kids out there make a difference if you've got mon lost their re kids out there make a difference if you've got mon lost their parents)ut there make a difference if you've got mon lost their parents at there make a difference if you've got mon lost their parents at the re who lost their parents at the same age lost both their parents never mind lost just their mother to manage mother and they've to manage they've get a grip on. they've had to get a grip on. they've had without the advantages mention advantages you have to mention the you have to have the advantage you have to have because have say whatever because you have to say whatever talking have to it talking about you have to set it into he is

into context. and he is struggling with with struggling with this with luxury, frankly of having all the money be a montecito doctor, diplomat is not cheap, is it? that long before the market compiled all the all the things that he's made and experimented with how you deal with the things that the real world that a lot of us can connect with. you know, you you can afford you know, you can you can afford as much of that swipe as you like. have as the like. you can have as much the marijuana want. you can marijuana as you want. you can have much the whatever was have as much as the whatever was psilocybin what have these psilocybin or what have these models help you models for drugs to help you through. you can employ through. and you can employ couple who's one of the couple mattei, who's one of the most people the most esteemed people in the world, witness world, and to witness intellectual hang on it on top of that, you can charge people towards it is £17. they are also just introduced to this how cash he talks about cannabis. just introduced to this how cash he talks about cannabis . when he talks about cannabis. when i was at the bbc in the i interviewed a guy whose son was so heavily addicted to cannabis and that it was a gateway drug to heroin that he's doing like multiple life sentences for actually murdering pensioners .

actually murdering pensioners. and the gateway drug was cannabis . i don't think people cannabis. i don't think people like harry should be so casual about it. should i do that? that was a little bit casual. a bit glib. but say what you did with the afghan deaths as well but lesley is encouraging people to take drugs. well yes in a way people see it that way but people might see it that way but what do think get get your what do you think get get your thoughts and you're with me. i'm nana this is a good use on nana akua this is a good use on tv and on digital radio. tv online and on digital radio. now british now for the great british debate. this asking, were debate. this i'm asking, were covid abuse of covid lockdowns an abuse of power? shockingly, the power? now, shockingly, the series of leaked whatsapp messages. all messages. i mean, well, we all knew, these ones today, the knew, but these ones today, the former secretary former health secretary matt hancock, frighten , hancock, wanted to frighten, pants i mean, the pants off people. i mean, the terminology in there is disgusting so that we'd comply with the lockdowns with these regulations a detrimental regulations having a detrimental on people. do these messages a total disregard for the public then and finally it's this week's outside my celebrity guest used to be friends meghan markle she was a show reporter for kttv . do you think she is? for kttv. do you think she is? can anyone guess. she's very glamorous . send me your glamorous. send me your

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it is this coming up to 24 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned. where have you been? it's okay. you've got him about 20 minutes. i'm nana akua is gb news. we are the people's channel. now, before the break, i was discussing prince harry's sit with trauma. sit down with trauma. toxic trauma might add. and so trauma expert might add. and so we look at what you've been saying. ross says, hi. now i find hard to believe find incredibly hard to believe harry hugged by father. harry was hugged by his father. exactly oscar says. i don't think going to. therapy is a great and it has had a very positive on people. it is decision to talk about it if he chooses you shouldn't advise it it is it. he's not. he's what? he's not. he's not qualified as

he chooses. i, i love the monologue. it seems harry is on the winds again. yes is. he's always on the way. thank you very much. your thoughts. right? it's time now our great it's time now for our great debate hour. and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, were covid lockdowns an abuse now telegraph abuse power? now the telegraph revealed that former health revealed that the former health secretary, hancock, secretary, matt hancock, discussed with senior officials about when to reveal the existence of the kent covid variant . now, existence of the kent covid variant. now, i remember that. i remember that it was scary the way they talked about it. they said to it at said he wanted to deploy it at the time to frighten the the right time to frighten the pants people. and i can pants of people. and i can remember at the delta remember i wasn't at the delta variant. the delta one, it variant. so the delta one, it was very very scary. this is to ensure the public complied with lockdown and lockdown regulations and moreover, head of the civil moreover, the head of the civil service simon case mrs. hancock explaining it was important to incorporate the fear guilt factor in the government's covid messaging . they're all at it messaging. they're all at it irrespective of what party they're on, because i hear that case may be slightly left leaning now, that science journalist isabel oakeshott, who leaked the whatsapp , pointed out leaked the whatsapp, pointed out that those lockdowns had a

negative on people's negative effect on people's mental health. so far, more than 100,000 messages have been made pubucin 100,000 messages have been made public in the tens of people has had devastating and so did the government total disregard for the public . so what do you think the public. so what do you think of this clip? have a look hancock appearing to be getting emotional is what piers morgan says he says that you're getting emotional. this on good emotional. this is him on good morning britain . the vaccine morning britain. the vaccine it's just it's you know it's been such a tough for 70 people and there's william shakespeare putting a simply for everybody that you know we can get on with our lives now interestingly because we didn't have time because we didn't have time because we didn't have time because we only show you a certain amount of time and that the first lead into that was piers morgan saying that you seem getting seem to be getting very emotional about now, if emotional about that. now, if you didn't hear that, would you think hancock was laughing? think matt hancock was laughing? crying? work it crying? i was talking, work it out. for great british out. so for the great british this what covid this i'm asking what covid lockdowns, power. i'm lockdowns, abuse of power. i'm joined by commentator and campaigner mcgovern , dennis campaigner and mcgovern, dennis macshane, labour and

macshane, former labour and minister for europe . susan minister for europe. susan evans, former ukip deputy chair, political commentator , and dr. political commentator, and dr. david lloyd , nhs gp thank you david lloyd, nhs gp thank you very much . joining me. i'm going very much. joining me. i'm going to start with you, david lloyd. you're an nhs gp, the covid lockdowns in your view were the necessary in the way were or do you feel they were an abuse of power ? i'm absolutely in favour power? i'm absolutely in favour of it the data the scientific overwhelmingly says that they do work and that we in fact too slow and too media. we should have done more comparing ourselves to countries like new zealand, australia . we did zealand, australia. we did a much poorerjob of locking down much poorer job of locking down and stopping this virus effectively. at the beginning . effectively. at the beginning. but what about hearing the messages, david? i mean , the messages, david? i mean, the messages, david? i mean, the message appear to be trying to scare people. do you approve that kind of tactic to get the job done? but i'm obviously i do. i'm i'm sorry i left wing so i don't subscribe the telegraph so i can't get beyond the paywall if you like but from

what i'm reading today in the newspapers you've taken these messages out of messages slightly out of context, you said you realised was a very nasty bug coming along and they wanted to know how best to people staying how best to get people staying at home and wearing masks . and at home and wearing masks. and so they thought that scaring would be one of the ways of doing it. so they were they were using it as a tool to reduce the r rates. they weren't it to take fun of us or do something wrong. they were actually trying to use that tactic. just as every that as a tactic. just as every government uses tactics to try and get us to do things at once do. if a partner to get you do. but if a partner to get you to do something using tactics, some would call that abuse ana. yes, and i think that yes, absolutely and i think that what they've done is absolutely criminal and we should never have down cave in have locked down the cave in itself. it was a 0.0% fatal risk . and they laughed in our faces . well, we were following the rules as they told us, and none of them comply the same way . and of them comply the same way. and i think the whatsapp messages , i think the whatsapp messages, they're completely and. it was a

complete farce and a big joke for them. so i absolutely agree that it's a completely of power and they should be facing criminal charges. dennis macshane gosh, to say to a doctor was facing criminal charges . he doctor was facing criminal charges. he tries to doctor was facing criminal charges . he tries to save your charges. he tries to save your life . well, no, it's not that life. well, no, it's not that girl. she's not talking about the doctors. not the doctors. it's about government officials acting on doctors most. i think with and hindsight is very wonderful thing. there's something wrong could it be done better ? i look at all the other better? i look at all the other countries in europe had a so lockdown no lockdown but had a worse death rate . norway which worse death rate. norway which had a hard lockdown so generally britain is in the of the pack. we're not the worst. we're not the best. i'm not good buyer of a bike hankook. i think he's a frivolous sort of unserious person. but are these whatsapp messages so absolutely. i think confirmed that belief. but him a

porsche you're a fan of boris he tells lies like i could have a cup of tea, but he's not alone in telling lies. impossible set decisions to take this. no that's perfect out of this. and to go round with you know this brilliant hindsight. let's let's have this big, big inquiry into it. find out the. okay, so schools and i know that we find out the lessons we can did that susan evans former ukip deputy chair what do you think? i'm absolutely appalled . these absolutely appalled. these whatsapp messages i was appalled by matt hancock's behaviour throughout the lockdowns and throughout the lockdowns and throughout the lockdowns and throughout the covid pandemic. i've been around politicians and in politics for quite some time and when you go through a most politicians get to older, they look they look stressed look tired, they look stressed every one those interminable every one of those interminable press conferences that matt hancock he looked younger more he was drunk on the power he was loving it and now we know why he was not as somebody else was happening at the same time susan just finish and i have to say

i'm also appalled by what dr. david lloyd said earlier. the problem with the whole attitude to lockdowns and the whole response to the pandemic was there were absolutely no impact assessments on such a massive intervention public life, no impact whatsoever. when i was a local councillor, we had to do an impact assessment if we wanted to move the water cooler foot across the room. there was nothing whatsoever done on the impact we're now, you know, thousands, tens of thousands of excess deaths . nhs waiting list excess deaths. nhs waiting list of 7 million huge backlogs a country that's in a mental health crisis because of the fear mongering we told you about new variants we were told read stay home or we are going to kill people. well let's get i'd like dr. david lloyd respond on the comment that made and david lloyd . so lest we forget, lloyd. so lest we forget, 219,000 people have died covid

so far . they 219,000 people have died covid so far. they died with 219,000 people have died covid so far . they died with how 219,000 people have died covid so far. they died with how many people actually of covid because in which it was counted. okay carry on. all right, fine . well, carry on. all right, fine. well, what about that tweet? the 19th thousand people who died in australia and the 2500 people who died in new zealand ? they who died in new zealand? they all went to a rule much stricter . can can you let them finish? can let him finish his answers on on. can you let him finish? please i thought he had. i do . please i thought he had. i do. david. sorry but if you want economic studies, it shows that we would have been £60 billion better off because . we've better off because. we've entered into lockdown. and if you compare the 11 countries in the european union, which i'm sure you don't want to do, they've done the analysis of lockdown. it's saved 3 million lives. i know. i mean, that's you can have the who chose the policy doing the analysis of the

poll died just a ridiculous to say okay let's have you both speak you go to england all that proves to me is that lockdowns didn't because yes people did die in australia or new zealand and they had the toughest , most and they had the toughest, most brutal, lockdowns in of brutal, arguably lockdowns in of . okay, well, i want to get on a couple of things . can you couple of things. can you respond and denis. couple of things. can you respond and denis . well, i was respond and denis. well, i was just going to say absolutely i agree, and i think it's quite telling as well. those that got the covid vaccine , for example, the covid vaccine, for example, then got covid. and again, there was some people that got about three. but that with the vaccine, necessary vaccine, that's not necessary and course seconds and then it's of course seconds to context of the lockdown to the context of the lockdown not final. and alas, lockdown didn't teach us not to talk over other programs this . but other on programs like this. but in general, i go back to point look across the world we've got tonnes of controls in other countries. well it don't have to be europe if you like. be europe if you don't like. europe and everywhere our people responded . by tried to responded sense. by tried to avoid getting the disease and

well not everywhere not everyone's but in what are called social distancing wearing a mask . okay, now can i get the a mask. okay, now can i get the final word today? but lloyd, i'm going to give david the final word uninterrupted, please. dr. david, final word to you . i david, final word to you. i think forgetting we're think we're forgetting we're we're forgetting selectively forgetting how dreadful kind it was. we forget the people that we lost who died of covid. and we're saying that the culture of lockdown are greater than dying of covid. it's just not true. all right. thank you very much . all right. thank you very much. dr. david lloyd, thank you so much for joining dr. david lloyd, thank you so much forjoining me. also, adam much for joining me. also, adam mcgovern, dennis mcshane and susan , lovely to talk to you susan, lovely to talk to you all. well, in a statement, mr. hancock said this, i am hugely disappointed sad at the disappointed and sad at the massive betrayal and breach of trust by and trust isabel trust by isabel and trust isabel oakeshott. i am only sorry for the impact the very many the impact on the very many people political colleagues, civil and friends who civil servants and friends who worked hard with me to get through the pandemic and save lives. absolutely lives. there's absolutely no pubuc lives. there's absolutely no public interest case. there's obviously no public interest case for this breach. all the

materials for the book have already been made available to . already been made available to. the which is the right the inquiry, which is the right and place everything to be and place for everything to be considered properly and the right lessons learned. as right lessons to be learned. as we seen them in this way, we have seen them in this way, gives partial biased account gives a partial biased account to suit an anti—lockdown agenda. interesting while you're with me, i'm not sure this is gb news on tv, online and on radio. after the break, we'll continue our great british debate then asking world covid lockdowns an abuse power. you'll hear the abuse of power. you'll hear the thoughts panel of thoughts of my panel of broadcaster columnist christine hamilton and broadcasting journalist kelly. first, journalist danny kelly. first, let's your latest headlines let's get your latest headlines . it's 4:34 arabs throwing the gb newsroom. well, as you've been hearing, the former health secretary wanted to, quote, frighten the pants off everyone to ensure public compliance , to ensure public compliance, constantly changing covid rules. the latest leaked whatsapp messages in the sunday telegraph show matt hancock and his team how to utilise fear and guilt to

make people obey the restrictions that included using a new strain of the virus to scare public. shadow work and pensions secretary jonathan ashworth has told mr. hancock's political career is over. i think the thing is, is that he is a councillor himself in front of an inquiry . is a councillor himself in front of an inquiry. it comes back to this point isn't why we need this point isn't why we need this inquiry take place quickly. a lot of people lost their lives. there's a lot of people who think that the way in which lockdowns operate it has had long term implications on all kinds of fronts. everybody wants an inquiry because everybody wants to be able to see the evidence , to be able to debate evidence, to be able to debate it properly , calmly. and it's it properly, calmly. and it's why we need to get on with it. some rail passenger season tickets have gone up by hundreds of pounds today in the largest increase in train fares for more than a decade. ticket prices across england, wales are rising by average 5.9, despite strikes and cancellations that have

brought parts the uk to a standstill. the rail hugh merriman says the increase is inflation. however, labour's call it a savage increase . call it a savage increase. travel editor at the sun, lisa told us the government must invest just in the network to justify the price hike. got it . justify the price hike. got it. one of the oldest railway systems in the world. but on of that, you know, not a huge amount of investment has been put into over the years and put into it over the years and there's decades worth of investment that needs to be put into get the services far into them get the services far more reliable that people are actually on the actually able to rely on the railway and use feel railway system and use and feel they it without about they can use it without about ever to that point of ever getting to that point of destination . clashes have broken destination. clashes have broken out in athens between police and demonstrators over train crash that killed 57 people. thousands of university students and railway workers took to the streets to voice their anger over the safety standards of the rail network there. more than 350 people were on board the train when crashed head on into a freight train last tuesday. it is the deadliest train crash in

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debate this hour. i'm asking what debate this hour. i'm asking what covid debate this hour. i'm asking what covid lockdown is an abuse of power. the telegraph has revealed former health secretary matt hancock discussed with a senior official about when to reveal the existence of covid variant. now he wanted to deploy at the right time to frighten pants off. and these are the words that were used on people to ensure that they obeyed lockdown regulations. moreover, to ensure that they obeyed lothead regulations. moreover, to ensure that they obeyed lothead of gulations. moreover, to ensure that they obeyed lothead of the itions. moreover, to ensure that they obeyed lothead of the civil. moreover, to ensure that they obeyed lothead of the civil service ver, to ensure that they obeyed lothead of the civil service inr, the head of the civil service in case messages message explaining that it was important incorporate the fear factor in the government's covid messaging. so far than 100,000 messages have been made public . messages have been made public. that's a lot of messages. for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking over lockdown. an abuse of power. and it comes straight christine. do straight to you, christine. do you they were an you think that they were an abuse did they abuse of power? did did they sort in your view, mean it? sort of in your view, mean it? they in your view, is it that they were busy? i thought it was an abuse power at the time. it simply wasn't. lots of people were saying that time that we were saying that time that we were all told, you have to follow the science. there was this science. it was absolute rubbish. know,

rubbish. we had, you know, doctor grim and dr. and doctor dr. grim and dr. grim and dr. raper , whatever they were dr. raper, whatever they were called, and on, on the called, going on and on, on the balance of , say, there was no balance of, say, there was no science. we weren't following the science, we were following the science, we were following the patterns of people mean it was these hancock complaining that isabel oakeshott has betrayed him. well dear god, first of all, if you are stupid enough to give all those whatsapp messages , don't forget whatsapp messages, don't forget it's not just his whatsapp messages, but everybody else just well if you are stupid just as well if you are stupid enough give to a journalist, enough to give to a journalist, what expect? well isabel what do you expect? well isabel oakeshott particular oakeshott in particular and she says she's on this. says she's got full on this. she's got a phone but i mean he stupid enough to do that and how he of betrayal he he accuse her of betrayal he betrayed entire by betrayed the entire country by the handled lockdown. the way he handled lockdown. i mean, it's absolute . people were mean, it's absolute. people were frightened. i mean, it was a success. people were to stop. they were frightened of covid because of all this rubbish , we because of all this rubbish, we were told. and apparently there's a lot more to come out. i think this is going to run and run and some people would argue and i mean, look, i was listening to david lloyd listening to what david lloyd

said, david that said, dr. david lloyd, that he was basically that what was basically saying that what the tactics that they employed might been the best and might have been not the best and not most favourable. well, not the most favourable. well, they were dishonourable, the they were dishonourable, but the actual the thing actual event itself, the thing that the lockdown that they did the lockdown was necessary needed. do necessary and needed. what do you oh christine is you think? oh christine is speaking with the benefits of for two. no, no . lot of for the last two. no, no. lot of people spoke, including husband, of course, about. yes about saying right from the start about unnecessary. no, no, no, no you said it was unscientific approach was yes. but at the time it was a scientific approach. and nobody at the time then said those two scientists are wrong . they did the tests. are wrong. they did the tests. two or three of other scientists saying it right at the time. and i think any time when we were having number 10 briefings at, the time we accepted it because they were scientists, we were told to stay away. we all told to stay away. we didn't all accept it . voices as you said accept it. voices as you said that, you know, they were wrong to give that advice. well that's in 2023. you look and i agree with you to the extent, but at the they were right to give that

advice because they wanted to they wanted not to catch covid 19. so stay two metres away from each other, wash hands, all of that sort of stuff, which i agree with you. now, looking back two three years ago, i back two or three years ago, i think was mostly think that it was mostly unnecessary. but was honest unnecessary. but what was honest is well. that the is very well. i think that the lockdown shouldn't been lockdown shouldn't have been severe. i think older people with difficulties, with breathing difficulties, they told, you they should been told, look, you need behind closed need to stay behind closed doors, the world doors, but the rest the world don't know, schools? don't don't you know, schools? don't you that also you think that you're also acting hindsight acting on the benefit hindsight yourself whole point of yourself and the whole point of the was to was to the lockdown was to it was to find the virus is about. of find what the virus is about. of course, you don't know what course, if you don't know what something is because imagine if it had the other way round it had been the other way round and turned out and this virus that turned out to something as bad as ebola to be something as bad as ebola , then have been very , then you'd have been very thankful. the i was thankful. i was the way i was looking. think they erring looking. so i think they erring on side of caution. on the side of caution. i looking historically and with the benefits of hindsight i said maybe look after older people but you but they but to get back to you but they even sure as to the actual infectiousness at all but there was a lot of the benefits of hindsight as as those those words start that rhetoric on the

on the whatsapp message. i agree you know with mostly a nation of rule breakers and if we needed to be told white lie in order to get to behave to protect the nhs save lives and whatever third part of that mantra was that i don't think that's inappropriate or otherwise people would just be breaking the rules. now or otherwise people would just be breaking the rules . now with be breaking the rules. now with hindsight, we can say were those rules right? and i all of that but at the time, if someone if you leave the house, you're going die. and it wasn't that going to die. and it wasn't that then wouldn't leave the then you wouldn't leave the house you. well, a of house would you. well, a lot of old people are frightened. they like wouldn't like my mum, wouldn't come out of house they still are. of the house and they still are. so the rhetoric that she used whilst, as say, we are whilst, as you say, we are all breaks in country. the breaks in this country. the rhetoric he used was very rhetoric that he used was very damaging actually in the telegraph, isabel x points a story about a man who was story about a young man who was when lockdown started he when the lockdown started and he actually life when actually took his life when he was he before all of was 16. he was before all of this of a thing. he was this kind of a thing. he was really public, energised, and then football. and then then he loved football. and then because play because he couldn't play football, couldn't get out of football, he couldn't get out of his. in the end, became his. in the end, he became very depressed mother depressed and she, the mother directly lockdowns as

directly implicated lockdowns as a the fines a business wants to the fines for risk but he was none of it he scared. he was petrified he was scared. he was petrified undiscovered language. they had he was scared. he was petrified untright'ered language. they had he was scared. he was petrified untright'eretakenguage. they had he was scared. he was petrified untright'eretake away e. they had he was scared. he was petrified untright'eretake away ourhey had he was scared. he was petrified untright'eretake away our livesad no right to take away our lives and to look what and to i mean, look what lockdown done. look what it's done economy the price done to the economy at the price people now. look people are paying now. look at the price that young people paid was the you only get one shot at education. if lose a couple education. and if lose a couple of whether you're at of years, whether you're at universal or whatever universal or a—level or whatever they're stage. they're called now stage. i mean, price was by mean, the price was paid by certain sections community certain sections of community mean the people mean not to mention the people care absolutely care homes was absolutely horrendous they they were horrendous and they they were laughing it and worrying about who for whose position. who was for whose position. i mean . hancock i disagree mean. hancock i disagree actually with someone. one of your panel said that they thought hancock looking younger and went on. and younger as it went on. i don't think so. i don't agree i think hancock at times looked really strained with it all. and he really so you saw the he really tired. so you saw the crying the crocodile tears. crying and the crocodile tears. i crocodile . then i saw the crocodile. and then the that rushing the fact that he went rushing off jungle, that is the off into the jungle, that is the other stuff that i think was appalling. but look, i think that's not a perfect as that's not a perfect job as a member of parliament. well look, you me and when i look

you know, to me and when i look at this, i think that the lockdowns may been lockdowns there may have been a level beginning where level at the beginning where they necessary to find out they were necessary to find out what the thing is. and then once you what if you know you know what it is, if you know that not as it is, then that not as bad as it is, then you start releasing things. it depends what they knew. with regard disease, the very regard to the disease, the very first think people first one, i think most people of course exposed. but if of course was exposed. but if they later on by they knew later on like by lockdown this was not lockdown three that this was not something was quite serious something that was quite serious and deadly then i'm not really comfortable the they're comfortable with the way they're speaking about the british pubuc speaking about the british public they're public and the fact that they're trying people, that trying to scare people, that they're you know, in china, they're now, you know, in china, they're now, you know, in china, they in china, they were for mugs. in china, they were for mugs. in china, they like spraying open they were like spraying open basically pavements and things. i that. yeah, that's great. i saw that. yeah, that's great. people just completely unnecessary because, you know, you spray you don't need to spray a handrail. i think that would handrail. i think that we would rely what the chinese rely too much what the chinese were telling us and. i think there's been some reports recently to the chinese deliberately the deliberately flooded the internet. what's up, for example, these horrific example, with these horrific videos that was. yeah, but there's evidence that there's no evidence suggest that that look, that isn't true. look, i remember i do remember remember that. i do remember those rumours that the fact is that you could never verify whether true. and whether they were true. and actually of the

actually the state, a lot of the hospitals a lot of hospitals and a lot of hospitals, this country was terrible. if you were in terrible. and if you were in hospital with that disease that affect the negative affect you in the negative manner it was actually manner that, it was actually quite that quite serious. i know that you're that the you're saying that the proportion who are proportion of people who are likely might been likely to die might have been less. be honest here. less. but let's be honest here. for who have that bit for those who have that the bit in it where it went bad for them, it was not good to say. but you know, when you mentioned this who was 14. yeah. this poor lad who was 14. yeah. okay would just throw it okay but i would just throw it back you that the back at you that of the thousands of lives that were saved because of lockdown. what about loss. know, about the massive loss. i know, but not really talking but what i'm not really talking about that. talking about about that. i'm talking about the put in people the fear that was put in people as a result. so the language that was used made people fearful, opening their fearful, even opening their doors that might doors and whilst that might have been some for been effective, some people for others mental others actually sparked mental health what health issues. that that's what i'm you, closing i'm saying with you, closing down was absurd, down schools was absurd, lutely intolerable. wasn't intolerable. it wasn't justified. it justified. and yet they did it and they it. what have they and they have it. what have they done chances of done to the life chances of thousands thousands of thousands and thousands of young? is a young? well, hindsight is a great thing. i don't know how much it plays in this, but the show without you and show is nothing without you and your says welcome a great

your views says welcome a great british voice is your opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and tell us what you really think the when think about the topics when discussing. let's to discussing. let's head to kidman's have a chat kidman's tour. let's have a chat with john it was nice with john. john reid it was nice to john get him instead. to see john get him instead. it's think? hello, it's what do you think? hello, nana. hello danny. danny, you're of order. christine, i'm 101% with you were your question nana is john cage of power ? yes, it is john cage of power? yes, it certainly was led the chief abusen certainly was led the chief abuser, a bloke called , boris, abuser, a bloke called, boris, somebody i can't remember now , somebody i can't remember now, but they're just a bunch of idiots , aren't they? and all idiots, aren't they? and all this happening is that they're thinking they can just ride over the public , everybody else. and the public, everybody else. and the public, everybody else. and the simple fact the matter is they can't . people will see they can't. people will see through them sooner or later , through them sooner or later, sooner or that what went on in covid i can understand to some extent taking the care that they did , but did they really take did, but did they really take care? and that's hanka. well i wish she was still the jungle. you know the people will be saying that they're being paid, but although we will say ambrose's defence, he didn't really this locked down. i mean

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it is on and ukrainian civilians had to flee bakhmut after. the city was surrounded by russian forces and one of the putin's top propagandists have claimed the root of all the russian evil has come within the uk . expert has come within the uk. expert diane strong joins me . let's go diane strong joins me. let's go over and have a chat with danny . right, danny. talk to me about the fighting. the fighting in bakhmut. is that right. the fighting. the fighting in bakhmut. is that right . yeah. bakhmut. is that right. yeah. it's bakhmut or at your mosque as it is in russia somewhere russian patriots still know it as that name. refuse to, call it bakhmut. what's happening ? the bakhmut. what's happening? the moment is it looks like a ukrainian withdrawal. two defensive positions further in the west of ukraine. yevgeny prigozhin, who is the head ? if prigozhin, who is the head? if you missed me , which is russia, you missed me, which is russia, is essentially russia's private army , has said that a pincer army, has said that a pincer movement has pretty much encircled the city and that ukrainian troops are withdrawing. is sent a message

to vladimir zelenskyy saying that you need to retreat, you need to withdraw troops. but ukraine is of course said that they will put up a fight, but it is looking like they are withdrawing to those defensive positions in the west. of course, as we can't forget, the russian objective is to defend those russians and ethnic russians , donbas region that's russians, donbas region that's come down from the nato fighting and demilitarising ukrainian that will about the best of the bloodiest and longest battle in this war is looking like . it's this war is looking like. it's coming to an end, but it's looking like a russian settlement. and then you've got about like 35 seconds left. what putin's propaganda he's claiming that the uk have caused the russian . well yeah this all goes russian. well yeah this all goes back to the russian mentality that they need to defend from the west of course a lot of higher ups and a lot of that propaganda. so in russia, this corruption, it was said that the uk is the brain of the enemy of russia and that relates back to

uk's foreign aid given over to you ukraine and also the. but he said that the uk is actually the brain and is actually who is driving sort of this and it relates back to the fact that russia is at war with the west and the uk the us. so it and the uk and the us. so it looks like it isn't a to send bombs over to london to kill that brain. it's just basically backing up that rhetoric that the is a driving force behind the uk is a driving force behind bush's sort sort of enemy in the west . for almost bush's sort sort of enemy in the west. for almost any bush's sort sort of enemy in the west . for almost any commentator west. for almost any commentator , let's talk travelling to america and. let's have a chat with paul .uk, the host of the politics people podcast. paul duddridge. to me about duddridge. talk to me about donald trump and his bid to win the election in 2024 really course , yeah. no really, really. course, yeah. no really, really. look it never went away . he's look it never went away. he's definitely back. he was giving a speech yesterday, 2 hours speech. see if biden do that, too. i was speech at the cpac conserved the political action conference yesterday and he gave to a speech and we might lose like the war in ukraine said he

is uniquely able to stop the war in ukraine in one day and he alone amongst potential candidates can prevent world war iii. so this was jam packed . now iii. so this was jam packed. now the thing is he has all he ever read is about how he's now busted flush and how it's all oven he busted flush and how it's all over. he got 60% support yesterday from a straw poll at cpac . dissent is only 20. so no cpac. dissent is only 20. so no matter how times in this movement that , trump gets movement that, trump gets written off and how much time many times maga is derided, he is still riding high amongst likely voters for him. so got a very i think he's almost 100% going to be the nominee the 2024 beat thing whoever the democrat candidate is going to be a job for him. but he is very, very popular with conservative voters as evidenced yesterday what about inside cpac. what does that mean mean ? cpac is the

that mean mean? cpac is the conservative political conference. it's basically like i woodstock. it's woodstock for conservative is. so it's largely republicans are go but it's not solely so it's not the congress. it's just all conservatives . and it's just all conservatives. and so they all convene, which kind of interesting because a lot of the polls you get what would trump do with republican voters this all conservative voters and he's 60% 62% actually and the sentence is at 20. so i it's a better snapshot of where he he's standing in popularity amongst conservatives . i just want to conservatives. i just want to squeeze in somehow meghan stuff just out of interest what's going on there are getting popular. they get less popular. the latest . oh popular. no it's the latest. oh popular. no it's like now i mean everybody have seen the chris rock routines by now . well i haven't seen it yet. now. well i haven't seen it yet. now i'm looking forward to it. oh, it's so good. it's so good he's just like, say no, that wasn't racism. that was some in—law stuff . know, he said like

in—law stuff. know, he said like black people are interested in how the baby is going to how brown the baby is going to be. in—laws it's just i be. that's in—laws it's just i can't justice obviously can't it justice obviously because rock but because i'm no chris rock but yes just everybody's yes they are just everybody's lampooning them everybody's lampooning them everybody's lampooning them everybody's lampooning them it is it is harry and meghan season it's what you wish for she wanted to be the most talked about woman in the world she is not quite the agenda she was hoping for all of them pulled out thank you so much to pull that advice to the politics people podcast always a pleasure to talk to you. forget, stay you. and don't forget, stay towards end the towards the end of the show because we well be able to because we might well be able to sneak that little chris rock sneak in that little chris rock for which you can enjoy, for you, which you can enjoy, but maybe take the end. but maybe take that to the end. if just joining if you're just joining me, welcome board. is dvds. welcome on board. this is dvds. we're tv online and in we're live on tv online and in digital media. you can stream the on youtube or the show live on youtube or download news app. we are download the news app. we are the people's more to the people's channel. more to come next hour . come in the next hour. so it's just coming up to 5:00. this is a music. just join me.

thank you. i'm a and for the next hour me and my panel we'll be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. we may have a special celebrity guest for you later on in outside. joining us to talk about her life in the spotlight coming the great debate this coming up, the great debate this i'm asking , should migrants who i'm asking, should migrants who cross illegally be sent back? but let's get latest news but first, let's get latest news headunes. but first, let's get latest news headlines . hi it but first, let's get latest news headlines. hi it is just but first, let's get latest news headlines . hi it is just after headlines. hi it is just after 5:00. i'm out. armstrong in the gb newsroom. the former health wanted to, quote, frighten the pants off everyone to ensure pubuc pants off everyone to ensure public with constantly changing covid rules. the latest leaked whatsapp messages in the sunday telegraph show that matt hancock and his team discussed how to utilise fear and guilt to make people have lockdown. that included a new strain of the virus to scare public the shadow work and pensions secretary jonathan ashworth told us mr. hancock's political is over. think i think the key thing is

that he is a councillor himself in front of an inquiry so it comes back to this point it why we need this inquiry to take place quickly . a lot of people place quickly. a lot of people lost their lives there's a lot of people who think that the way in which lockdowns operate it has had long term implications on all kinds of fronts . on all kinds of fronts. everybody wants an inquiry. everybody wants an inquiry. everybody wants an inquiry. everybody wants to be able to see the evidence to be able to debate it properly , calmly. and debate it properly, calmly. and it's why we need to get on with it's why we need to get on with it . when another leaked whatsapp it. when another leaked whatsapp conversation , the uk's top civil conversation, the uk's top civil servant described johnson as a nationally distrusted he feared would be ignored by the public if the then prime minister introduced new lockdown rules. comments by. simon case, who was appointed cabinet by mr. johnson in september 2020, appear to form part of a conversation with matt hancock about capability. a spokesman for boris johnson has declined to comment . summary

declined to comment. summary passenger season tickets have gone up by hundreds of pounds today in the largest increase in train fares for more than a decade. train fares for more than a decade . ticket prices across decade. ticket prices across england and wales are rising by an average 5.9, despite it strikes and cancellations that have brought parts of the uk to a standstill. rail minister hugh merriman says the increase is below inflation. labour has called it savage . the travel called it savage. the travel editor at sun, lisa minot , called it savage. the travel editor at sun, lisa minot, us. the government must invest in the network to justify the price . got it. one of the oldest railway systems in the world. but on top of that, you know, not a huge amount of investment has been put into it over the years and there's decades worth of needs be of investment that needs to be put into them to get the services far more reliable that people are actually able to rely on railway system on the railway system and use and they use it without and feel they can use it without worrying ever getting to worrying about ever getting to that destination . that point of destination. prince harry has defended his previous use of drugs, saying some of them helped him mentally dunng. some of them helped him mentally during . he spoke to trauma dr. during. he spoke to trauma dr. gabor matter diagnosed him with

attention deficit disorder in his memoir spare how he admitted taking drugs on a regular basis saying he used marijuana in 2015 while living in the grounds of kensington palace the covid vaccine manufacturer maddern has announced its new base will be built in oxford . the modern built in oxford. the modern innovation and technology centre will be based harwell to help develop rna vaccines for respiratory diseases, including variants of covid. the move is set to create hundreds of jobs. construction as well . the construction as well. the manufacturing facility , which is manufacturing facility, which is expected to open in 2025 . large expected to open in 2025. large fire that has broken out at a refugee camp in bangladesh earlier today has destroyed thousands of shelters and a primary health centre. social media footage shows the camp in the south east of the country ablaze with thick black cloud filling air. the camp houses more than a million rohingya refugees who fled a military led

crackdown in myanmar in 2017. the fire now been brought under control . police say the cause of control. police say the cause of the fire is unclear. no casualty have been reported . clashes have have been reported. clashes have broken out in athens between police and demonstrators over the train crash that killed 57 people. a university students and railway workers have voiced their anger over the safety standards standards on the network. more than 350 people on board the train were there when it crashed. head on into a freight train last tuesday . it's freight train last tuesday. it's the deadliest train crash in greece's history. the government in greece has vowed to investigate and improve rail safety . and arctic air is set to safety. and arctic air is set to bnng safety. and arctic air is set to bring snow and freezing temperatures to. scotland and northern england . with northern england. with forecasters warning the coldest weather so far this year, the met office says to ten centimetres of snow is expected on higher ground, causing travel disruption and power outages . on higher ground, causing travel disruption and power outages. uk health security agency has

issued a level three alert for northern england, warning of a 90% chance of severely cold. so look after yourself if you are out and about. this is gb news more of course it happens. but now back to nana . now back to nana. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online on digital radio. it's just coming up to 6 minutes after 5:00. i am nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics, hitting the headunes the big topics, hitting the headlines right now . this show headlines right now. this show is opinion. it's and is all about opinion. it's and of course, it's yours we'll be debating discussing the times . debating discussing the times. we disagree. but no one we will disagree. but no one will cancelled . so joining me will be cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. still to come , each kelly. still to come, each sunday, i am joined by celebrity

or former mp or someone does have an extremely interesting career and a look at life after the job. we talk and lows and lessons learnt and what next on the outside and today my mystery guest hit the tv scene after marrying a premier league footballer . now she marrying a premier league footballer. now she has marrying a premier league footballer . now she has since footballer. now she has since become a force of nature in their own right, appearing the agatha christie documentary and rubbing shoulders with a—list by mr. guest of friends with meghan markle at one point. but then she was ghosted like most friends now she's written a book tales from the red carpet . so tales from the red carpet. so who do you think she is for the great british debate this hour i'm asking, should migrants across illegally be sent back ? across illegally be sent back? prime minister rishi sunak has vowed to crack down on the migrant crisis. vowed to crack down on the migrant crisis . so anyone who migrant crisis. so anyone who enters on small boat from seeking asylum with over 3000 people already making the across the channel this year alone is just is this just one more bit of hot air from our politicians

or do you think. email me your thoughts and, gbviews@gbnews.uk . you actually even enforce that or send me a tweet at . gb news. or send me a tweet at. gb news. now, before my mystery arrives, i wanted to go on about a story that caught my eye. according to us reports , president joe biden us reports, president joe biden might not attend the king's coronation in may , a senior coronation in may, a senior official suggested a delegate be sent in his place to represent the white house. but there are talks that biden, keen to visit ireland april the 25th ireland in late april the 25th anniversary of the good friday agreement, reported. the agreement, been reported. the biden's mother, who was of irish heritage, refused sleep in a bed.the heritage, refused sleep in a bed. the queen at once slept in due to the dislike of england . due to the dislike of england. so with this relations between the two nations, i've got my wonderful panellists to discuss christine hamilton and also danny. what do you make of that ? well, i mean, honestly i was once very proud to sleep in a bed the duke of edinburgh bed that the duke of edinburgh had that's

had slept in. that's extraordinary his mother refused to sleep in bed that the queen to sleep in a bed that the queen had slept in. for heaven's sake. do you know i'm tempted to say, who cares whether he comes? he doesn't. think doesn't. but i think it's extraordinary he allows his extraordinary if. he allows his i he's massive irish file i mean, he's massive irish file or , whatever you call it, or, whatever you call it, somebody who's in favour of what you them. irish islanders you call them. irish islanders and and he is patrick and all that. and he is patrick can't cross the atlantic twice in a few weeks because he's going to die he's going going to die ireland. he's going to this that and the to do all this that and the other. can't then fly other. and he can't then fly home then fly again. mean, home and then fly again. i mean, for the appalling for heaven's sake, the appalling thing that if he doesn't, thing is that if he doesn't, we're going to end up with kamala harris. good, good. regardless. mean, hope regardless. i mean, hope to goodness course goodness he does come. of course he be there. this hasn't he should be there. this hasn't happened years. it's happened 70 years. it's certainly happen certainly not going to happen again lifetime . he again in biden's lifetime. he ought be absolutely honoured ought to be absolutely honoured to be there. and let's hope it is . let's to be there. and let's hope it is. let's hope he makes it till then. maybe two transatlantic flights is going to happen in his lifetime. either sleepy joe, i think two transatlantic flights is a lot for an office, though. i think he's fairly irrelevant to a lot of people in

this country. yeah, i think he's borrowed time, so who cares ? borrowed time, so who cares? stay in bed, sleeping, get . yes. stay in bed, sleeping, get. yes. right. well, thank you very much . i suppose to see you very shortly, if you just welcome on board. it'sjust shortly, if you just welcome on board. it's just coming shortly, if you just welcome on board. it'sjust coming up shortly, if you just welcome on board. it's just coming up to 9 minutes after 5:00. now it's time for week's outside my. very special guest is known as the of tabloids. she was one of the very first wags to hit our tv screens and was married to a footballer who played for chelsea and tottenham mysteries used to host a tv show wags world and was on many other programmes , including my shirley programmes, including my shirley valentine . he as she escaped to valentine. he as she escaped to the greek island of naxos when she and several other celebrities, including aggie mackenzie was on last week. you may remember maggie . she was may remember maggie. she was here on outside last week, and ingnd here on outside last week, and ingrid tarrant lived under the roof to find love. she even starred as the lead wagging wag the musical . really? well, i

the musical. really? well, i didn't know that i was considered to be a friend of the one and only meghan markle before. she was ghosted then before. she was ghosted then before also was involved, embarked on a relationship with prince. please roll out the red carpet of favourite carpet for of my favourite superstar panellists . it is of superstar panellists. it is of course, lizzie cundy who does a fabulous design. cute darling, good to see you . thank you very good to see you. thank you very much for joining good to see you. thank you very much forjoining me. now, thing much for joining me. now, thing is, a lot of people see you on the show, but people really know much about you. so about much about you. so talk about your where were you your life and where were you born. we'll see. oh, well, yeah. i was put in richmond. sorry and my father was an art director. i think that's where i got my love of kind of politics. he did the advert for labour wasn't working back in the day for margaret thatcher and it was funny because my mum was liberal, my dad was conservative, he's chased up a side on one side of the window. he'd have his thinking of . but yeah it was, it thinking of. but yeah it was, it was a very sort of colourful i'll upbringing really without, you know , lots of different you know, lots of different

people in and out the he was a photographer so there's david bailey duffy of and i think that's why i got being sociable because i at a very young age was mixing with all these so adults and i never you know i was by what anyone was or what they did for a living you were surrounded by stars pretty much from the get go. i yes, indeed. yes. it and i think that's what made me want to what i wanted to do really until now. but i just always a love politics. so always had a love politics. so that's why i love being your show. working you want to show. nana i working you want to have a go so let's just let's talk about your your childhood then because i know you told me yesterday, which i didn't know about you, that you've been through disorders things through disorders and things like yeah. with all like that. i mean yeah. with all of things, of these things, lots of wonderful, positive energy around how did you find around you. how did you find yourself in that sort of situation? i i well, i was doing modelling from a young age , but modelling from a young age, but i struggling all the things i was struggling all the things that weren't working out in my life. i wasn't that happy with the school. i was i wanted to do like drama, which i loved and go

to this drama school. my mum and, dad worked very hard. i hardly them. mum was hardly saw them. my mum was i had a vague my father was the head of you know, of saatchi saatchi was away a filming adverts so forth so i think it was a way i said on the show, yes they're controlling own life and it was kind of i control other things but i controlled food and i don't think you ever get over it having but i've learnt to control it and i'm happy with where i am and with my food i can sometimes feel it. come back if there's something awful happening in my. but i'm able to work it and get through it and sadly is one of those diseases that never kind of leaves and that show those viewers that have gone through it. but in a very happy place and happy with my eating and drinking as you know , the drinking as you know, the drinking as you know, the drinking i like this. they told me about football because you ended up you married a footballer. yes. you were one of

the you were probably the first even the you were probably the first ever. would you all know that was when i she was trying to take us. well they call me the original like she said rather old the original wag. yes. so i married very young. we got married jason very young. we got to dancing country. jason to dance dancing country. jason candy's and met a nightclub candy's and met in a nightclub in richmond i saw him. i thought, oh my goodness. never seen anyone like that with seen anyone dance like that with a high five but his a is so high five but his training ground was round the corner for me. he was a i think he was an apprentice. he hadn't been properly signed by and he used to wait outside my house every day. he was like, oh god , every day. he was like, oh god, i got to think. you just wait for me. and he got round me in the end and yeah, it was, we hit it off, he made me laugh and we had two lovely kids. so though the marriage didn't work out, it was it was a terrible divorce, i have to say. i wouldn't wish on. but had 17. you long years . but we had 17. you long years. years you say. a long years. was it was it good marriage? what was what can you tell us because well keep things well i love the

football world and don't get me wrong but you'll you'll you'll partner it's not with you wanting to feel sorry for wanting you to feel sorry for me. but then never with you through christmas know birthdays, special occasions. it's forget what it's away. and don't forget what it's like being married to a footballer. you've got to watch everyone around you and sadly for , it's very tough for football, it's very tough when you know a footballer to 30, it's the end of their career and. jason had a lot of injuries and. jason had a lot of injuries and he also had testicular cancer. and he also had testicular cancer . so in and he also had testicular cancer. so in year or three of us getting married , having us getting married, having a baby, i lost my best. i think jason , the age of 27, had cancer jason, the age of 27, had cancer , so it was a hell of a year was it was quite tough, but you know, we coped amazingly and we kind of thought out this bad thing. what can we do that's good? so we started up charity and that's how i kind of got into the events because i thought, i'm quite good at organising events and we organising these events and we did great event this did a great event for this charity set out to raise charity we set out to raise loads of money and got loads of awareness for men's cancers because i tried for going

because when i tried for going to doctors, as we know. to the doctors, it's as we know. yeah. so yeah. was quite yeah. so yeah. it was quite a tough time and jason sadly was injured a lot and he don't want to be married to an injured footballer. it was rough very tough, but you know, it is a tough, but you know, it is a tough game. it's great at the top. you know, people always think, wow, you know, looking at all the flash cards houses, you know, not every footballer that sort of like david sort of money like david beckham's john terry's beckham's in the john terry's and you know, if you're injured or you're not liked it can be very if the manager doesn't want to give and it can have a real on your wellbeing. i can imagine that would be very quite devastating, especially if you all could be injured. you cannot to your best of ability to it. and if maybe don't and then if maybe they don't like as well, that's why. like you as well, that's why. well like, know, things well it's like, you know, things . all right. now, i remember jason saying, i'm going to grow this beard till the manager talks. think it was all talks. to me, i think it was all dailies the time at tottenham dailies at the time at tottenham and all he was looking for. and it's all he was looking for. and was like, he's never going and i was like, he's never going to talk is a tough game

football. it's a cruel it can be a cruel as well as the beautiful game. but i'm very still involved, still friends. a lot of the players and the players wives. but i became this kind of back in the old days. yes. so we football there's always a lot of , you know, things going on and footballers doing wrong things, being on the front of the pages for the wrong reasons. i became a of whack deal like they a sort of whack deal like they call me phil for the for the wives. yes, but the wives. and, you i was very to go to you know, i was very to go to two of the world cups , you know, two of the world cups, you know, when i was there and, i'm presenting for itv and, very lucky. but nelson mandela first said to me was, where are the wags in south africa was like everyone was obsessed with him. and i can't tell you what it was like, was like the beatles had come to town. everyone wanted to know them. wow. yeah, that's quite an experience . yeah, but quite an experience. yeah, but you didn't. you knew about the agatha scenario as well agatha christie scenario as well . what's happened that? . what's happened with that? now, is going well, doesn't now, this is going well, doesn't it? it's over. and

it? oh, yeah, it's over. and killing one. and so she should have won because what she didn't have won because what she didn't have the evidence of and i have to say it's sad , should never to say it's sad, should never have gone to court and it was a huge waste of money but clean had tried to try and stop it and sadly it continued. but it made all the front pages yet again . all the front pages yet again. so people say all the works are over but look they got every front page and it went global. i was getting calls from australia america wanting to talk about it went everywhere . i know, i know. went everywhere. i know, i know. barty mean when she said about her phone disappeared all this and i pay up and sort of disappeared into the yeah when i say oh no there's not a good start but look i you know, that's given the blacks a bit of a bad name. there are lots of great girls that married for such a great work do loads charity work and know for me i made a living out of it. i did a book, i did a musical wag the musical. yeah. can you believe the book about your life as? i

have in my day. i need to. yes need to bring you a copy. i need to bring me a copy. signed one. i'll do for you. yeah. oh, yeah. i'll do for you. yeah. oh, yeah. i'll it. it's a funny read and it is really about my life which is a carry on film is like is like a carry on film is like carry on candy and i don't know how amount of people i know how the amount of people i know in this world, but i've in this showbiz world, but i've been very blessed. i had itv, the movies where i got to fly to la, meet big stars, l.a, meet all the big stars, a—list is like, you know, tom cruise , i want be like, is he cruise, i want to be like, is he really people? he's really short as people? he's quite but he's very, very quite short, but he's very, very nice. you know , was so nice. i knew, you know, was so mad. saw again on the red mad. i saw him again on the red carpet and he remembered. and then afterwards i was my son. i said, don't want to watch this movie. out, went into a movie. we snuck out, went into a restaurant. sitting restaurant. he was sitting there. it was walk me over. i went, come leslie, come and went, come on, leslie, come and join my son came to look join us. and my son came to look for me. waste mob, would you sing with tom cruise? it was of like was one of the like man, but he was one of the loveliest. yeah lot people loveliest. yeah a lot of people say he's nice. yeah would say he's really nice. yeah would you also met meghan markle, didn't you? yeah, i. i was didn't you? well, yeah, i. i was friends with mike for a while. i

really got on with her and i was asked by a friend to look after her a charity event . and i her at a charity event. and i thought . who is this woman? thought. who is this woman? i don't know who she is. want to sit with my friends. you know, when you go to a venue, you said you're in that corner was like, i don't want didn't i don't want to, but didn't know what was. one actually what suits was. no one actually knew. but she was right and she had the pleasure of sitting next to but she asking really to me. but she was asking really well, know, she a well, you know, she wanted a boyfriend she wanted get boyfriend. she wanted to get onto the showbiz scene and wanted a job in in british tv. she wanted to be made in chelsea. actually, the show . so chelsea. actually, the show. so i said, look, if i can help , i i said, look, if i can help, i will, which i tried to do . and will, which i tried to do. and i tried to grow up with the goal actually was . but when chelsea actually was. but when chelsea play actually was. but when chelsea play it , wasn't it not it's actually was. but when chelsea play it, wasn't it not it's time for you thought she wanted cheryl cheryl cole you just said with him but now said i'll to china come up with a few few guys you know she wanted to stay in britain she wanted a british boyfriend so she got one lady

and won the lottery she did . and won the lottery she did. that's a lottery then. yeah so i don't know. yeah exactly but yeah it has eventful life and got some great friends from it. i mean obviously there's a downside to this celebrity world with trolls and, people writing stuff that isn't true and you know, we know on social media which i'd like to be more controlled, be honest, but it is it's fantastic . and i've been it's fantastic. and i've been very blessed and lucky to do what i do but i've had to fight for it because think people think, you know all footballer's wife. she's a bimbo i had to really prove especially for itv at the movies that i could do the job because i'm afraid people to judge a book by the cover and as a woman in a very male authoritative business. it was quite tough . well, speaking was quite tough. well, speaking of our books, the madness is the name of the book. my favourite o tells of the red carpet. yes. it out there. it's actually doing better than harry's books back believe . so we'll come face.

believe. so we'll come face. yeah. really. oh yes . well it is yeah. really. oh yes. well it is and i think how is this going down to $1 half price now. i think well he's giving it away now he's giving it away . yeah. now he's giving it away. yeah. but it has been very, very blessed with lovely friends and like itself and it's a career change. i've reinvented myself now i'm love doing all of this and working with you know now well that, is the fabulous lizzie lizzie, you lizzie cundy. lizzie, thank you so much for your lovely to see you and the lizzie and the tv personality broadcaster author as well, up, it's as well. well, coming up, it's the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. asking, should hour. i'm asking, should migrants channel migrants cross the channel illegally sent back? prime illegally be sent back? prime minister sunak has vowed minister rishi sunak has vowed to crack down on the migrant crisis stop anyone who crisis and stop anyone who enters a small from seeking enters a small boat from seeking asylum . but how many times have asylum. but how many times have you had can we see really you had this? can we see really solve this don't go solve this crisis? don't go anywhere .

it's coming up to 25 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel where live on tv, online . on digital live on tv, online. on digital radio. i'm going to acquire. live on tv, online. on digital radio. i'm going to acquire . now radio. i'm going to acquire. now it's radio. i'm going to acquire. now wsfime radio. i'm going to acquire. now it's time for our great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should migrants the channel illegally be straight back? prime minister rishi sunak has vowed to crack down on the migrant crisis and stop anyone who enters on a small boat from seeking now comes after seeking asylum. now comes after sunak pledged to stop boats as one of his five key priorities. remember that it was at the beginning of this year and last yean beginning of this year and last year. let us not forget , over year. let us not forget, over 40,000 migrants crossed the channel and just under 3000 have crossed this year alone. so we're not even into we've just started march, which is quite a lot really . and it's currently lot really. and it's currently migrants who reach the british shores claim asylum and simply stay in this country to have their case heard. and as you know, the majority of them end up staying. sunak's new legislation axe this process entirely for illegal migrants. but is this just more smoke and

mirrors for the wait for this debate? this i'm asking, should migrants across the channel illegally be sent ? migrants across the channel illegally be sent? i'm joined now former mp steven pound . now by former mp steven pound. beunda now by former mp steven pound. belinda italy is the former brexit mep and director , the brexit mep and director, the centre for migration economic , centre for migration economic, steven wolf and. hardeep singh i never get this hearted sorry logic simple bengal, bangalore, bangalore me be talking over bengal uk immigration lawyer all right now rj, i'm going to start with you because . is it even with you because. is it even possible legally for this to happen ? probably not. depends happen? probably not. depends how the legislation is brought out will definitely try to attempt it . but let's have a attempt it. but let's have a look at attempts in past. i don't think you can literally cut off every single route for someone to claim asylum and only say, right, if you're this country, you can claim this country, you can claim this country, you can claim this country, you can claim it. we currently have no safe routes to claim asylum, hence why people will have to get here and claim

it . and if you're not saying it. and if you're not saying right, if you do get here, not allowed to claim it, then you sort of are breaking international law. it'll probably be challenged like probably be challenged just like the scheme has been the rwanda scheme has been challenged and you know, and probably another thing we're going to be promised and yet won't see come to fruition . hmm. won't see come to fruition. hmm. well, well, let's think well, no. well, let's think about breaking international law , but linda delisi, what do you think even possible ? well, i think is even possible? well, i mean, as as we've said many times, the conservative are great on rhetoric and spin and tough talk about the boats . we tough talk about the boats. we had boris johnson three years ago also saying exactly the same thing as rishi. rishi who comes here illegally, will sent back . here illegally, will sent back. not one person has been sent back to rwanda yet. and you over 72% of mostly men who come from safe country trips to the uk claim asylum, get asylum claims are proved 72% in europe. the average is 34. so i think we really to look much stronger at

how the uk such a soft touch for anyone who wants to come here as soon as their foot touches our soil . they know full well it's soil. they know full well it's high . they will ever get high. they will ever get deported . i don't think with deported. i don't think with international law yet we can deport them and yet it's interesting because back in 2000 and well pre 2019, we went we sent back about 40,000 illegal immigrants year including criminals we deported them that has decrease to under 20,000 a year since 2019. so does this country government making choices to be a very soft touch . they keep dangling the carrot. it doesn't what rishi says or the agreements he has with from the agreements he has with from the as much as they'll still come and try and get here even if they get deported, come back again and again because we give them a lot of money and an way to claim citizenship. well, let's a chat to stephen let's have a chat to stephen wolf the director for the wolf. he's the director for the centre for migration and economic prosperity . stephen

economic prosperity. stephen well , i think economic prosperity. stephen well, i think what economic prosperity. stephen well , i think what we've got to well, i think what we've got to analyse this in two particular ways, hardeep is correct in the sense that at the moment because of our membership of the un convention on refugees it makes and the membership of the european court of human rights, it makes it incredibly difficult for any government to try and remove somebody that arrives in this country illegally once they claim asylum. we must make it clear , everybody who enters the clear, everybody who enters the country without a proper visa or right to enter the nation is illegal . everybody on those illegal. everybody on those boats are illegal until they make that claim for asylum. so that's where the important point comes in. what is it that rishi sunak. because suddenly conjuring up out of his sleeve that he's able to say to that he can pick these people up an immediately, remove them to another where they can claim asylum and where that stepping stone comes from is the case in rwanda and the and the court of heanng rwanda and the and the court of hearing that enables the government to try and transform

to remove into different countries and. that's where i think this legislation is going to go. we're going to be looking at something where they say we can take people out of the country and assess elsewhere. how do figure again, it's going to correct . we see to be correct. we will see massive challenges . we saw that massive challenges. we saw that with the trade unions and non—governmental organisations challenging over the rwanda rwanda issue but be very, very clear . this rwanda issue but be very, very clear. this is rishi sunak very important chance and suella braverman opportunity to try and close the gap. and i think that they found something and on tuesday they announced this i believe that there will be something that we will be pounng something that we will be pouring and say yeah they might have it this time but it will be challenged . all right. let's go challenged. all right. let's go to stephen. stephen hello, dan . to stephen. stephen hello, dan. hello. it's got a couple of things. absolutely about this. first of all, if you had to sit down and design a system that absolutely the worst possible way of dealing with every single aspect of it, you'd come up with

something what we've something pretty to what we've got. have present got. what we have at present time nonsense , a fantasy, time is a nonsense, a fantasy, a sort of new text pipe dream about rwanda is ain't going to happen.the about rwanda is ain't going to happen. the israelis did it ten years ago. they sent 4000 people to rwanda. guess what. they disappeared and turned up back again in israel. that's not going happen . what to going to happen. what we need to do simply at the reason do is quite simply at the reason why people come here. there's push pull . and one of the push and pull. and one of the reasons that they get pushed here life in their own here because life in their own country is so absolutely, utterly intolerable in case we should, see them should, where we see them extend the friendship, the hand of friendship, just being just. oh, being and noble and just. oh, come on. sorry. sorry. there are no, you know, nobody . you might no, you know, nobody. you might be saying we've got in a country , but there's people coming from places . there isn't a problem. places. there isn't a problem. you know , i'm going to say and you know, i'm going to say and then i coming onto them, i'm sure. but there's also the pool factor. we're one of the very few countries in europe which doesn't have cards and we don't have system people are have a system whereby people are assessed what we assessed on arrival. what we need do is people first who come to country, they actually

to this country, they actually assist assessment centre. assist in an assessment centre. they're fingerprinted , they're they're fingerprinted, they're given identification cards . how given identification cards. how about do not get into the into the black economy if how about just sending them straight back? let's which side? so just as quickly within taliban, you're going to say the taliban. but if you get that, it's more about the route that you're taking if you come an illegal route. you come via an illegal route. should be straight should they be sent straight back ? yes. well, that's the most back? yes. well, that's the most interventionist. asking . interventionist. i'm asking. interesting. i'm so sorry this country cannot take care of the world's poor. we have we have to put the british people first. this is absolutely crazy violent on a street with starving children and had a loaf of bread. i'd be giving to my neighbours the children on neighbours and the children on the street, not sending it off to another country feed its to another country to feed its poon to another country to feed its poor. fortunate . feel very poor. i'm fortunate. feel very sorry people who coming from sorry for people who coming from poverty. is not up to the poverty. but it is not up to the british taxpayer to fund every single person wants to leave their home for a better life. it isn't and it's not fair. secondly, there's 100 million displaced people the world, displaced people in the world, 37 million of them. the un says

a genuine refugees. they would all right to to all have the right to come to the uk these these laws the uk under these these laws that have at the moment we that we have at the moment we are we're running out of time. that was a or but that was a yes or but i appreciate it. i know a no. if you want illegal immigrants, come here. you believe in open , come here. you believe in open, which extreme policy . a which is an extreme policy. a dangerous policy. or no, should should we send yes or no? should we turn people straight back? if we turn people straight back? if we not, what we should do. it's about what we can do. and at the moment we can't do it. and i can't see it happening in foreseeable future. the home own internal guidance today. foreseeable future. the home own internal guidance today . there internal guidance today. there was a leak in one of the newspapers that says a rwanda, according to the home office, even they've won the case is not going get out before march going to get out before march 2024. okay that's out that we haven't got the infrastructure. we haven't got a home office. it's not going to. stephen moore if i've got about 10 seconds and ten for stephen. so stephen moore stunned to go moore should be stunned to go back away. no. back straight away. yes or no. the option should be there for governments be to away governments to be to turn away illegal immigrants. we

illegal immigrants. whilst we have important have a very important asylum process for those who process in place for those who are genuine asylum seekers. stephen pan, seconds. albania stephen pan, 10 seconds. albania absolutely right. but we do not negotiate with the taliban. we can't negotiate with the leaders in tehran . we can simply, in in tehran. we can simply, in some cases is just not possible. where it is possible . we must do where it is possible. we must do it. but we to assess it. but we need to assess properly humanely. thank properly and humanely. thank very much, stephen. and when you get as a former get to talk to you as a former labour mp, but internally see former party mep director former brexit party mep director former brexit party mep director for the centre for migration, economic prosperity, stephen wolf and. heart saying wolf and. heart out saying bengal wolf and. heart out saying bengal. yes uk immigration lawyer. i knew i'd get in the end.thank lawyer. i knew i'd get in the end. thank you so much for joining me and. any of you spotted naughty picture that spotted a naughty picture that we you're we apologise for that you're with record. this is with me on the record. this is dvds tv, online on dvds on tv, online and on digital radio on the way. we'll continue that great debate. this houn continue that great debate. this hour. i'm asking, should migrants across channel illegally back migrants across channel ilwe'lly back migrants across channel ilwe'll hear back migrants across channel ilwe'll hear the back migrants across channel ilwe'll hear the thoughts3ack migrants across channel ilwe'll hear the thoughts of:k migrants across channel ilwe'll hear the thoughts of my ? we'll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcaster and panel of broadcaster and christine and also christine hamilton and also broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. let's get your kelly. but first, let's get your latest news headlines . hi there.

latest news headlines. hi there. it's 530 for marianne armstrong in the gb newsroom ambulance . in the gb newsroom ambulance. worker strike's due to take place on and wednesday in england have been called off after the union entered pay talks with the government the unite union says talks now take place in the coming week but insists any deal must new and not affect staff . it comes after not affect staff. it comes after the said money was available . the said money was available. potential pay rises covering this year and so unite joining gmb and unison as i mentioned the strikes originally due to take place tomorrow and on wednesday the former health secretary matt hancock wanted to quote, frighten the pants off everyone to ensure a public comply its with constantly changing covid rules. the latest leaked whatsapp messages in the sun telegraph show hancock his team discussing how to utilise fear guilt to make people obey lockdown the shadow work and pensions secretary jonathan ashworth has told us mr. hancock's political career is

over.i hancock's political career is over . i think hancock's political career is over. i think the key thing is, is that he is a counsellor himself front of an inquiry. so it comes back to this point, isn't it, why we this inquiry to take place quickly a lot of people their lives there's a lot of people who think that the way in which lockdowns operated has had long term implications on all kinds fronts. everybody wants an inquiry because everybody wants to be able to the evidence to be able to debate it properly and calmly and. it's why we need to get on with it. some rail season tickets have gone up today by hundreds pounds in the largest increase in train fares for more than a decade . ticket prices than a decade. ticket prices across england and wales are rising by an average 5.9, despite strikes and cancellations that have at times parts of the uk to a standstill . the rail minister hugh marion's pointed out the increases below inflation. labour has called it savage savage . clashes have broken out

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41 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. welcome on board if you've just tuned in, you've missed most of the show, but it's fine. you've got about 90 minutes left. i'm nana akua when live on tv online on digital radio. of course it's time for our great british debate this houn our great british debate this hour. asking, should hour. i'm asking, should migrants channel migrants cross the channel and cross channel illegally be sent straight minister straight back? prime minister rishi has vowed to crack rishi sunak has vowed to crack down on migrant crisis by stopping anyone who enters on a small boat from claiming asylum. and is , once you claim and that is, once you claim asylum, then you get all rights until that point. as pointed out, you are illegal. so that is an interesting thing. so he's trying to stop that from happening now. year over 40,000 migrants crossed the channel and just under 3000 have crossed this alone . now we're just this year alone. now we're just into march is quite a lot. so if you consider that multiply by 12

and that's just the beginning . i and that's just the beginning. i think we're looking for looking at a huge figure this year and as it currently stands, migrants who britain's shores who reach britain's shores actually asylum and, then actually claim asylum and, then stay the country have stay in the country to have their sunak's new their case. sunak's new legislation would this legislation would axe this price entirely for those who cross it via the channel. but is this just more and mirrors? can he actually do it? so for the great british debate hour, i'm asking, should my country , the channel, should my country, the channel, illegally be sent straight back? let's what my panel make of let's see what my panel make of that. again to my panel. that. welcome again to my panel. also from broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist dan kenny. so interest that the aim of the next idea is to stop from claiming asylum. therefore this is an illegal so they can be sent back. but would they go how how's it going to do it obviously pre 2019 we had the dubun obviously pre 2019 we had the dublin agreement pre—brexit. it was interesting learn that 40,000 a year was sent back as beunda 40,000 a year was sent back as belinda de lucy reminded us all we need to renegotiate something with french version of i'm

delayed . whatever. david she delayed. whatever. david she seemed to get on smooching with rishi sunak , so hopefully he rishi sunak, so hopefully he can. it's a while you're shaking your head. well, she's taking it because, say, tweet, i said, and you're literally saying it now. i'm basically i've plagiarised every i said every word, every other i said every word, two word for literally . how are two word for literally. how are you going to do it? i don't know. christine. christine. well rishi and ursula, since you that dynamic, do they have just sold us down the river, but that's another issue. what i want to know is i know she's only been there for a few months. it is there for a few months. it is the tories been in power since 2010. what the hell? they done something before now all something before now it's all very the don't have very well. the tories don't have the do it. we've had all the to will do it. we've had all these upland sunshine these sort of upland sunshine and promises from them and uplands promises from them and uplands promises from them and they failed to it. 60% of and they failed to do it. 60% of the people who fail their claims to stay in this country. they claim all these rights thing. one of them even claim that he couldn't be because he had a pet act. i have to happily have to tell you that that failed but

60% of the people who fail, they not deported. we're not getting rid of the people that we already have said should go and. the most famous example and i've written is time to get it right was the nesta elliot, who was jamaican and. he had committed 17 crimes in this country of varying but pretty horrific. he claimed his right to family life and he was allowed to stay. he was , by all sorts of do gooders was, by all sorts of do gooders like naomi campbell and goodness knows who and he then murdered in 2020 he murdered a 25 year old in a knife attack london. now all the signs there that this man should not be left this country, he was allowed to stay. we are not enforcing what we already did. you mentioned that you get a great mentioned naomi campbell and that is she definitely somebody who supported him initially as opposed to. but there were others, obviously. yeah. others, obviously. yes. yeah. just to last, man to just to go back to last, man to my rights, you know, he he has wife and he has children and he feels this child. no, he feels this child. oh, no, no, he did go to lefty do did just go back to lefty do gooders. i really like stephen

pound or pound as i like to call it, we have this it, but if we have this christine and just a christine approach and just a disconnect, that's disconnect, kristie and that's why his words, not mine. why he said his words, not mine. yeah if we have this christine approach just allow everyone approach and just allow everyone to then we to that to come in, then we need to that culturally is going culturally our culture is going to . now, not to be eroded. now, i'm not saying that is being okay saying that that is being okay now if you come to certain in liverpool , the inner city areas, liverpool, the inner city areas, you know , the scouse, snus has you know, the scouse, snus has gone, you know, you go to the east end of london three no chirpy cockneys anymore eating pie in mash or whatever they eat in the building. you there are areas in birmingham where you don't really see any british people. if is so great then people. now if is so great then why don't you see great? why don't you see areas in small heath in balsall heath in birmingham all of these aston okay, which to be white working class brummie areas and it's no it's not predominately bangladeshi pakistani so if assimilation multiculturalism is such a success why of all the white people move. so we need to accept listen we need to accept if it's a if an open door

approach, then you need to accept that culturally it's going change. well, it should not be an open door approach and. okay, yes, of course, everybody wants to be christian, etc, it etc, etc. but it's i think it was belinda who said, we can't take in everybody from whole take in everybody from the whole world a tough time world who is having a tough time home. we can't. we're a small island, overcrowded island, home. we can't. we're a small island, can'tercrowded island, home. we can't. we're a small island, can't lookrvded island, home. we can't. we're a small island, can't look afterisland, home. we can't. we're a small island, can't look after our1d, home. we can't. we're a small island, can't look after our own. and we can't look after our own. for sake, how many have for goodness sake, how many have we going banks, etc. we got going to food banks, etc. etc? one lefty do gooders . i bet etc? one lefty do gooders. i bet you they speak from a very privileged position and if they did, they probably live. i don't know they of them know. but they most of them generally in white. and generally live in white. and it's easy for to say, bring them oven it's easy for to say, bring them over, jesus. well, yeah. and also the that a of the also the fact that a of the mainstream media establishment are now because we have become mainstream established mainstream at the established media report media don't continuously report it do so we continue to it like we do so we continue to keep and focus on it keep eyes and focus on it because know a general a slow because we know a general a slow erosion of our society in this manner is really acceptable. look, i had a mosque on every street corner and i, i have no problem with that as long as it's done in the correct way and everybody the locals are everybody and the locals are consulted everybody happy

consulted and everybody is happy about no problem with about it, i have no problem with that. also problem that. and i've also no problem with that the migration with the fact that the migration that had migration that we've had legal migration is it's over. it was over a is big, it's over. it was over a million. but know who those million. but we know who those are. agreed these people are. we agreed that these people can it shows that we can come in. so it shows that we are not behaving a racist are not behaving in a racist manner actually those people manner and actually those people come africa, come from places like africa, india than us india and rather than us choosing people who are white from europe. so no, what i policies is absolutely not on white people because it's not the eu . it not not at all. now the eu. it not not at all. now it's a completely multicolour show where i live in leamington there is great assimilation with indian communities, with the sikh community in the white community and, we just rub along fabulously . and that's because, fabulously. and that's because, in my the assimilate asian in my view, the assimilate asian is if there is not is easier if there is not a religious restriction on certain things . religious restriction on certain things. food, you religious restriction on certain things . food, you know, like things. food, you know, like like in islam you can't have a well i just think when in does the romans so if you're going to do your own do do your own thing then do anything but don't force everyone because everyone to join in because that's come right everyone to join in because that show come right everyone to join in because that show is come right everyone to join in because that show is nothing:ome right everyone to join in because that show is nothing without ht everyone to join in because that show is nothing without you this show is nothing without you and your views as welcome as some of our great british voices

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but i think part of the solution must be a better agreement between ourselves france in all of this. and i we need to have a more robust system in place in terms of determining genuine asylum seekers . but thank you asylum seekers. but thank you very much, very specifically . very much, very specifically. let's go to miranda richardson in northamptonshire now, the miranda richardson. miranda good afternoon. one thing we never talk about is the resources to support of this. it be marvellous, wouldn't it, for us to be able to sit down and look at all the illegal cases that are here, people that we need to see and people we to go in and actually go out and find and send back because they've overstayed or they're illegal. but we don't have the resources to that. and that's one of to do that. and that's one of the biggest issues when the biggest issues because when does under private you does that come under private you know, private funding. funding. we any money. so we don't have any money. so where's where's all that going to all very well to come from? it's all very well saying, we're going to saying, yeah, we're going to deal this. we're going to tackle 40,000, know, 3000 40,000, you know, 3000 a million. with what? with

million. however with what? with what and with loans that . what and with loans that. miranda with our money. certainly you've got about 30 seconds you there in milton keynes. what do you think? good afternoon , nana. thank you . yes, afternoon, nana. thank you. yes, i do think we should send them if it's legally allowed, if they should be sent back and more risk than benefits for them. it puts them in a vulnerable position, crossing over them at risk . other issues which we've risk. other issues which we've heard about these past months, but sunak and suella braverman have vowed to tackle this problem head on. and if this is allowed, yes, i think it should should happen. thank certainly very succinctly done. and alan, who's there in grimsby ? alan who's there in grimsby? alan mcnally, what do you think ? mcnally, what do you think? hello. another and i think if the government want to get this right now, i want the need to ensure is that excuse me either the criminal law takes precedence over any civil claims happened that way that could arrested on the boats that part

of the process needs to be dealt with before any of our claims are considered because at that point there still a legal and that's where we need to be stopping them as president he's right to it that way. alison brighton sorry. hold thank you very from london. northamptonshire. stephanie in milton keynes in lincolnshire. thank much for your thank you so much for your thoughts. it's thoughts. right now it's time for supplement sunday. i'll just bnng for supplement sunday. i'll just bring just talk that, by bring just talk about that, by the way, because he was absolutely right with regard to and he was due to and as to eliot, he was due to go abroad a home office go abroad on a home office flight and they actually flight in and they actually managed not on the flight managed to not go on the flight and did go on to murder and then he did go on to murder and then he did go on to murder and were celebrities like and there were celebrities like naomi and jeremy corbyn naomi campbell and jeremy corbyn who were backing supporting who were backing and supporting him then committed him before he then committed murder. not murder. right. it's not on sunday my tonight sunday with. my panel tonight discuss new stories discuss some of the new stories that caught i i'm joined by port christine and also christine hamilton and also customs and danny kenny, i shall start with you. danny, what you got you had brilliant. chris rock who is a very funny guy, i suppose, for the purpose of context. he's black comedian, context. he's a black comedian, an american who just

an american who is just lampooning meghan markle. remember time with the oprah interview when there was a big gasp of air when oprah said what? i want to know what colour child is. my god racist donald duck , whatever she said, duck, whatever she said, nobody's . i duck, whatever she said, nobody's. i know, i know. but for the purpose in a comedic context . okay well anyway chris context. okay well anyway chris brown has basically said even black people want to know how brown her child was going to be and he finishes like, who is this girl? meghan markle she seems like a nice lady. well, like she didn't the lottery. he can do better than you. but take a look at chris rock back to the everybody trying to be a victim like was his girl meghan markle . oh seem like a nice lady this was like that she hit light skinned lottery . like skin and skinned lottery. like skin and still going off complaining acting all dumb like she don't

know nothing going on oprah didn't know i had no idea. racist were just the royal family christine you got something? what you got? you got about 40 seconds. 40 seconds, right? well, mine is the brownies. i mean, there's nothing in this country we've had roald dom. they're now going for with us, etc. the for p6 with us, etc. the brownies have been dragged into a because the brownies were a row because the brownies were set up as a basically a christian organisation. they were motivated by their faith. baden—powell his and baden—powell and his sister and god was the one of the moving forces , the setting up of the forces, the setting up of the brownies. they are now that god has to taken out of it they has to be taken out of it they can no mention god , any can no longer mention god, any of etc. because it of their songs, etc. because it has be inclusive of all. for has to be inclusive of all. for goodness sake. if the brownies can't continue with brownies , we can't continue with brownies, we are doomed. what do i was kicked out of the brown. i'm not christine. no this is my self—loathing. according to a poll taken by 2000 women, jeremy clarkson has voted the sexiest

man alive . this comes after man alive. this comes after clarkson's problems with itv. guess who came second? gary lineker . i guess who came second? gary lineker. i don't believe it. no, not guilty that i don't i don't believe it. but it's true. that's there is a poll that mike tindall was third, ryan reynolds fourth, martin lewis, the dermot o'leary or dermot drury, if you see him on the telly six, idris elba, vladimir zelenskyy and mikel arteta, the arsenal manager. right. well, that's a full by number. charlie mullins oh button. i like charlie . he's oh button. i like charlie. he's a great lunch, he's a lovely, he's a lovely, i don't know. we carried out that survey not to mention it. well it's an i've got to say a huge thank on today's show. if you're asking whether lockdown is an abuse of power according to my power and according to my twitter 85% of you say, twitter poll, 85% of you say, yes and 15% of you say, no . yes and 15% of you say, no. thank you so much to my panel, author broadcaster christine author, broadcaster christine hamilton. very much. just hamilton. thank very much. just a pleasure. and also and journalist kelly. thank journalist danny kelly. thank you very much. thank you so much. and huge thank you for much. and a huge thank you for having you to you

having us. and thank you to you and company. it's always and your company. it's always great i'll be back great to see you. i'll be back as at four on saturday. enjoy your week. does it get stream of life youtube . i'll see life on youtube. i'll see you next week . hello there. i'm greg next week. hello there. i'm greg chu, host and to your latest broadcast from the met office. we have much colder air we do have some much colder air on way the next 24 on the way over the next 24 hours also increase the risk of snow but frost and ice . well, snow but frost and ice. well, looking at the bigger picture and we can see the darker blue is coming down from the arctic sweeping south through monday and tuesday , bringing very and into tuesday, bringing very cold air to the time of year, the start of spring, feeling more like winter again out there. this evening, though there. this this evening, though , will be clear spells, , will be some clear spells, typically across eastern parts of one or two mist and of england, one or two mist and fog, forming during the fog, patches forming during the early elsewhere, quite early hours. elsewhere, quite cloudy of some showers. cloudy the risk of some showers. so i was turning increasingly to snow parts of scotland snow across parts of scotland where ice will form to where some ice will form to temperatures falling close to if not below freezing here again, temperatures close to freezing, perhaps a patchy where skies remain clear to start monday morning but a lot of cloud across england wales some

showery outbreaks rain this weather here southwards weather system here southwards through the day behind turning much colder wintry showers, sleet and snow across scotland to some low levels leading to icy conditions in places, sunny spells . and here, temperatures spells. and here, temperatures dropping away, falling to one or two celsius across parts , two celsius across parts, perhaps highs just ahead of, two celsius across parts, perhaps highs just ahead of , the perhaps highs just ahead of, the frontal system of nine or ten degrees across the far south into the evening time . the into the evening time. the weather front will start to slow down parts of wales, the midlands into southern england and perhaps some longer spells of rain redeveloping here, some sleet and snow, hot perhaps, too, as we move into the early of tuesday. elsewhere will generally see clearing skies, snow showers around coastal areas, temperatures five to possibly near minus ten celsius across scotland to start tuesday morning. but a sunny start here cloud. we've outbreaks of rain, sleet and perhaps some snow. seven counties of england as well want to watch over the next 24 hours or so. but the ahead plenty of sunny spells of wintry

further north that stay similar over the next few days. temperatures remaining below average. see you again .

welcome to gloria means first stop. it's mp neil coyle on a year without alcohol . the point year without alcohol. the point i'm made the decision to stop. i didn't really feel i had a decision about stopping frankly, because it was out of control . because it was out of control. shadow cabinet minister preet coal. gill i could not believe that this person used their place of work. email to actually make that threat . he's been in make that threat. he's been in parliament for over three decades.labour parliament for over three decades. labour mp clive betts and a member of police superintendent coming to me knew