is over. i think the key career is over. i think the key thing is, is that he is a councillor himself in front of an inquiry . it councillor himself in front of an inquiry. it comes back to this point, isn't it.7 why we need this inquiry to take place quickly a lot of people lost their lives. there's a lot of people who think that the way in which lockdowns operated has had long term implications on all kinds of fronts, everybody wants an inquiry because everybody wants to be able to put see the evidence, to be able to debate it properly and calmly . and it's it properly and calmly. and it's why we need to get on with it. but in a separate leaked conversation with matt hancock, the uk's top civil servant described boris johnson as a nationally distrusted figure. he feared he would be ignored by the public if the then prime minister introduced lockdown rules. simon case was appointed cabinet secretary by boris in september 2020. a spokesperson for mr. johnson has declined to comment. summary air passenger

season tickets have gone up by hundreds of pounds today in the largest in train fares for more than a decade. ticket prices across england and wales are rising by an average 5.9. but despite strikes and cancellations , the rail minister cancellations, the rail minister hugh merriman says the increase is below inflation. however labour has described it as savage . next week's remaining savage. next week's remaining ambulance strikes in england have been called off. the unite union, which represents 3000 workers, has entered paid talks with the government . unite's with the government. unite's joined unison and gmb , which say joined unison and gmb, which say there's been a huge shift in the government's position. the strikes were to take place tomorrow and wednesday to two men arrested following the shooting of a police officer in northern ireland. have been released. detective chief inspector john caldwell , who was inspector john caldwell, who was shot several times in omagh last month and he remains in a critical but stable condition in hospital . six other men who are

hospital. six other men who are arrested and questioned as part of the investigation have also been previously released and the duke and duchess of sussex have received an invitation to king charles coronation. a spokesman for harry and meghan told the times a decision on their attendance will not be disclosed attendance will not be disclosed at the present time. the announcement follows prince harry's interview with a trauma expert yesterday . he said in the expert yesterday. he said in the interview he always felt different to the rest of his family, just like his mother, princess diana. the coronation will take place on the 6th of may. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now it's time for free speech nation . for free speech nation. your train never turns up, but you've

got to pay more for it anyway. it's okay to air your dirty laundry in public if you're from a broken home and everyone in the uk is deleted. their whatsapp history. this free whatsapp history. this is free speech nation . speech nation. tonight's show i'll be speaking to a top media lawyer who is actually asked to act for the man himself, matt hancock, about whether releasing those whatsapps was indeed in the public interest and we're in for some feisty debate on whether or not it's okay to take children and babies to drag shows. plus, we'll meet the founder of initiative who's called on producers of love island to make sure male contestants aren't treated as the female. the badly by the female islanders. and after a man was left in tears on screen when his partner went off with another contestant, you can't please, isn't it.7 well, my studio guests this evening on leo kearse and louis schaefer .

leo kearse and louis schaefer. had on how to use his free speech in this comedy in a manner probably threatens free speech. so let's get some questions from the audience. our first question comes paul . first question comes from paul. hi. okay to blame your hi. is ever okay to blame your own family for your own terrible decisions .7 okay. so i guess this decisions? okay. so i guess this is about prince harry's back again somehow. he's the man who seems to have been interviewed on various things. is the web stream. he just can't seem to let it rest that a live stream. prince harry claimed that he'd never for sympathy and isn't a victim, saying that he's never one of the royal family to get therapy . louis, one of the royal family to get therapy. louis, i'll one of the royal family to get therapy . louis, i'll start with therapy. louis, i'll start with you on this one, because if ever there's someone who needs to blame others. yeah. who do you blame? well, blaming your parents is really good because they're. they're close by. you may be able to exact revenge, which is basically what prince harry prince harry did. which is basically what prince harry prince harry did . and harry prince harry did. and that's what makes this i mean, you shouldn't start with me

because i'm telling you, this is the most this is one of the most horrific stories today, because poor prince harry is basically trying to kill his own father and basically destroy the monarchy and destroy and destroy his dad. why because his mother was a bit angry at the father. justified for a second. that was right. i shouldn't have started with you. you should not have told me where that was going. but you actually could have saved . well, i mean, the whole saved. well, i mean, the whole point of therapy is that you don't burden your friends and family with all your boring sales for and whining about how everything is everybody else's fault and instead, prince harry seems to have burned and burdened this all with it. the entire world. he's like constantly whining on. he's got like for some reason more paying money him to it. it's money for him to do it. it's like the opposite . there's like like the opposite. there's like therapy therapist like the opposite. there's like theraneah. therapist like the opposite. there's like theraneah. he therapist like the opposite. there's like theraneah. he also 1erapist like the opposite. there's like theraneah. he also saysist like the opposite. there's like theraneah. he also says in the pays. yeah. he also says in the article about how he he learned article about how he he learned a different language through therapy and his family didn't speak so they

speak that language, so they couldn't communicate . let me couldn't communicate. let me just the language that they just use the language that they can understand. spanish it's i dunno what it is. something reflexive. i mean, it's the thing about having therapy though do tell everyone though is you do tell everyone in life and have in your life to go and have therapy. i think that's therapy. yeah, i think that's how marketing works. i how the marketing works. can i stay is going to end sorry stay is going to end up. sorry no going. stay in san no going. can i stay in san diego for. i stand up for prince harry. i feel so horrible. horrible the because horrible for the guy because i know there's movie. i what know there's a movie. i what movie is where guy has movie it is where the guy has been programmed to go into the and murder someone. and that's what i think is the manchurian candidate. but halfway through halfway through you change channel to a time travel the manchurian candidate and i think i think what happened and this is a horrible thought but i've been there is that poor diana she felt so mistreated by this man who left her to go out with that woman. and so she was furious. and the child was left with her and planted the seed in his head. get your dad. get your

dad . so it's like, no, that dad. so it's like, no, that wasn't the other one. the other one. get them. yeah, well, that could have that could add to it. so the end of the end of the day, princess diana was a horrible mother to so many bits in that i should have cut you off, but somehow let you get to the end. well, let's move on swiftly. our next question is from ryan. hello. good evening. is it time, trump to come back and make america great again? again? is it time for trump to come back and make america great again? again? well, donald trump turn back clock to the darkest elements of his presidency on saturday with a fiery address that showed the threat to american democracy is far from oven american democracy is far from over. these aren't my words. these from a newspaper? well so trump offered to launch his white house bid with a display of demagoguery that framed his 2024 election as the final battle for america. i think i've got to go, louis, first on that, because i guess. well, you sound

american. you very rarely mention it. so i'm not sure. but all you american, i am an american. if you can call a new york jew, an american. and there were many there are many people in new york town didn't consider us didn't us americans. they didn't consider new yorkers. americans, believe or not, because we believe it or not, because we were different the rest were so different from the rest of country and bet the world of the country and bet the world trade that when trade centre when that when they, know , that went they, you know, when that went down. oh so you managed to get that so far, diane. the 911. that in so far, diane. the 911. they have to like me now. but but here's the problem . the but here's the problem. the problem donald trump is a problem is donald trump is a great man and he says exactly what needed to be said for years ago or six or eight years ago. we moved on. basically, it's my own feeling and i think the people he's he's he is even though i'm going to say this i think the guy is one of the greatest americans i say that with no i know it's to believe but i don't think it's ironic at all. he calls a spade a spade to use that term. and he it like

one of the things he said was he said why should america be paying said why should america be paying for europe's defence when they're killing us economically ? and yeah, could you have can you argue with how can you you argue with that how can you argue putting a wall on the argue with putting a wall on the border? can't with any border? you can't argue with any of stuff but you know peop of this stuff but you know peop a lot of people do not like him. they don't know why don't like him, they don't like him him, but they don't like him kind me. such cross kind of like me. such a cross for trying argue for balance, trying to argue with liberal in the right with that liberal in the right person. what do you think of trump ideas is missed the way he says china some so far says china like some so far nothing trump you know he's incredibly he's got he's an entertaining president and you know the president's going to be on tv a lot. so why wouldn't you vote for an entertaining one instead of one? he's just barely animated. so yeah. know and also people criticise donald trump. they're a they're like, oh, he's a demagogue, a populist, a popular . they're nicely criticising him for are for saying things that are popular voters. that's slur popular with voters. that's slur for politicians . oh, heaven for politicians. oh, heaven forbid a politician should do something that the voters want instead of just ramming this like agenda down their throats,

like agenda down their throats, like making them eat bugs and not own a car and living up to 15 minutes, see? yeah can i say that i totally agree with him. i agree with you, though. of course you can. anybody disagree? yeah do you think donald trump is the man to be doing it, though? no. rick desantis whatever called. but doing it, though? no. rick deit?ntis whatever called. but doing it, though? no. rick deit? rick whatever called. but doing it, though? no. rick deit? rick decidesver called. but doing it, though? no. rick deit? rick decides to called. but doing it, though? no. rick deit? rick decides to run.ed. but is it? rick decides to run. decide to yeah. i always decide to run? yeah. i always get with the and get mixed with the rick and morty, which you can vote for as well in one way. but you. yeah. and even though you think he's like the greatest american has his time been and gone? and you now want to go for now think want to go for a different. well, the problem is now think want to go for a dlook nt. well, the problem is now think want to go for a dlook at well, the problem is now think want to go for a dlook at someone, problem is now think want to go for a dlook at someone, rick,.em is now think want to go for a dlook at someone, rick, theys i look at someone, rick, they say this ron desantis great cartoon and he's and he seems amazing . but because this state amazing. but because this state is so deep because i don't trust anybody anymore . and you can't anybody anymore. and you can't trust anybody anymore, i'm thinking to myself, why is ron desantis being pumped like this? is he as good as say he is? i don't know. they basically undermined every one's belief in reality. can you trust yourself

anymore ? unfortunately, i trust anymore? unfortunately, i trust myself more when i one day you're in a bad state. yeah that is bad because i never trusted myself. and i think to myself when i see an expert, i think they're an idiot . are you sure ? they're an idiot. are you sure? not a robot. have you ever actually opened yourself up ? actually opened yourself up? because i could. i could talk you into doing this live on tv? whenever someone this room has got a knife. so that's entertainment. we might move on, i suppose. oh, next. the audience doesn't know what you're talking about in the tv. they don't. they don't see the point. that context. that's it. it's. it's a funny, funny comment . our next question it's. it's a funny, funny comment. our next question is from daryl if i know my is why are british women attracted to red faced fatma men? well, let's not be mean about fat man. i have some skin in this game, but this is because jeremy clarkson has been crowned uk's sexiest man as ladies can't resist his bad boy farm vibe, which is a

sentence is shouldn't exist. the 62 year old broadcaster was the surprise winner in the poll by elicit encounters which bills itself as best online dating site for people. yeah. delightful so what do you think about that? you look at jeremy clarkson and realise that statistically we are less attractive than that. yeah, it's doesn't it . yeah. kind of. but doesn't it. yeah. kind of. but you got to realise, i mean, this is this british women, they want a like them but also a who looks like them but also this this is they pull this is illicit encounters these for people having a having affairs so they want somebody who's attainable and is going to be quick. yeah delightful. yeah lewis. yeah it doesn't hurt you to realise that you didn't place in the top ten. well i'm not fat. that's why? i look. i look amazing because. i'm on an all meat diet. and jeremy clarkson, he's just reeks of diabetes and gout. he's just reeks of diabetes and gout . and i mean, you look at gout. and i mean, you look at the guy's stomach sticking out, which a sign of fatty liver

disease , probably alcoholic disease, probably alcoholic based. i think the women want somewhere to rest , cruciate somewhere to rest, cruciate said. well english libido. the reason he was chosen is because he has he probably has an amazing set of car keys and they go to these stripper events. so they like base the car keys or they like base the car keys or they pull the car key out of the i don't you're talking i don't know you're talking about want to hear as it's about i want to hear as it's just how do you know this i this happens you go to swinging happens when you go to swinging parties. all car parties. they put all the car keys in a bowl and pull the keys in a bowl and they pull the car he's going to get it. car keys. he's going to get it. but these car keys like that, they you amount keys once they you amount of keys once i go to valet parking so yeah go to have valet parking so yeah and at the fact is i mean i mean women i'm not young yet carry on i think there's ofcom regulation . well our final question for the moment is from nas. is glastonbury sexist and racist ? glastonbury sexist and racist? is glastonbury sexist and racist 7 is glastonbury sexist and racist ? this is an all male, all white glastonbury headline. line—up has been revealed . emily eavis

has been revealed. emily eavis calls it a pipeline problem. the arctic monkeys, guns and elton john are all in this year's headlines. i mean, i know that you commonly on social media find things that are racist. yeah. and i think you've had everything. yeah, everything is racist so far this week with the horse riding helmets and glastonbury. glastonbury it is definitely racist because they don't have an all black line—up. have you seen an ad break? everything supposed to look like that? supposed be that? it's supposed to be entirely transgender mixed entirely a transgender mixed race. couples roller skating and pride flags . and if it's not, pride flags. and if it's not, then you're a far right. but this is music and, they say, and they couldn't find a of colour . they couldn't find a of colour. yeah.i they couldn't find a of colour. yeah. i mean, a lot of the musical genres might have been invented by those communities and somehow surely you could name some this surely. but it's not as if the only musicians available to you are guns n roses and elton. they've made more musicians since then. they have made more. in fact the line up of glastonbury 43% non—white,

which is , you know, a much which is, you know, a much higher proportion than than the actual population. i think 17% of the population of the uk is non—white. well, the official population can be. so glastonbury is not racist . the glastonbury is not racist. the headune glastonbury is not racist. the headline stages the headlines , headline stages the headlines, the ages, which, you know, back in the seventies when we were developing these headliners in the eighties like guns n roses are from eighties, alan are from the eighties, alan jones probably the sixties. jones from probably the sixties. so you know, when they were getting big and also elton john, i mean , he can't wait for this i mean, he can't wait for this wave of wokeness to end. so he can headline because he did can headline it because he did cocaine for like 40 years. he's going to dead very soon. going to be dead very soon. yeah. you going to yeah. oh are you going to glastonbury ? no, because it's glastonbury? no, because it's racist . and it's racist because racist. and it's racist because it charges over £300 for a weekend ticket. so that that keeps people like me out base . i keeps people like me out base. i mean is it, is it racist ? i hope mean is it, is it racist? i hope it i mean is it, is it racist? i hope iti hope mean is it, is it racist? i hope it i hope that that they put the worst talent. and just for that

quota system , just to punish quota system, just to punish those people for being successful and good looking. because i've seen the era and the tv, they look amazing and i'm going to be home. so i didn't make my point clear enough. didn't make my point clear enough . i just hope the people enough. i just hope the people who go there die . well after the who go there die. well after the break, on free speech nation to shut down the children, to be able to contact their biological parents before they're 18. more on that after the .

break welcome back . later in the show, welcome back. later in the show, i'll be turning agony. uncle, with the help of my panel , leo with the help of my panel, leo kearse and lewis faber to help you deal with it. dilemmas, emailers. gb views. gb news uk. and we'll try to answer your

issue now. a bit of an ethical dilemma for you now actually. should donor children be able contact their biological parents before they're 18? under new proposals , this could be a proposals, this could be a reality. joining me to discuss this is director of the donor conception network charity , nina conception network charity, nina barnsley and dad of two sperm donation children , danny donation children, danny brothers thanking you for being . so i'll come to you first because you you know you're talking about this. tell us about your two sons and not graphically detailed what happened and how well graphically isn't actually that interesting because it was really a medical procedure . my really a medical procedure. my oldest is 20 and my youngest is 18. both boys, i said to my children , they're young men now children, they're young men now and they're both born through sperm donation . i pretty much sperm donation. i pretty much told from day one about their genetic origins. i took my oldest son when he was a week . oldest son when he was a week. he's not the next albert

einstein or anything like that . einstein or anything like that. it's a great way to get away with it. mention it, young so they can remember they practised. try it out, you know. and if being honest with you, part of that about me getting used the words them used to saying the words them and i probably didn't feel that comfortable at the beginning . i comfortable at the beginning. i feel very comfortable now. what here in front this audience talking it so i want to say. quite a journey over the years so how would it how would you have felt if they'd have been able to contact the biological parents earlier? it's interesting term your use interesting that term your use interesting that term your use in parent, but it's in biological parent, but it's kind given term. but kind of the given term. but i know. well, yeah. mean i would know. well, yeah. i mean i would always donor i think my always say donor and i think my children would say donor parent for who changes for me is the person who changes in nappy and you know i was there for you on sports day or whatever that's very much a parent for me. okay for me to refer to them dna supply, i refer to them as dna supply, i technically they are absolutely. look and face it, i'm only here today because it has an importance . obviously they

importance. obviously they pretty much known from day one, really . as i said, they've kind really. as i said, they've kind of grown up with the information both of them are born prior to 2005, which means in reality, they're probably not going to be able to find out the information because it was 2005 where at the end of anonymity they happened . end of anonymity they happened. we have those started dna testing myself because , i never testing myself because, i never knew my father left when i was three. and we can't. but my oldest son and i thought it'd, be really good idea to go out and see if there's any information out there. we information out there. so we have that. okay. have done that. okay. any results from that you want results from that that you want to i actually found to mention? i actually found first cousin, first cousin named florida 25% portuguese, which i didn't know about that supported england. the world cup number, but which was great. my youngest son found nothing really. oh, my oldest son. so i found nothing. but recently, a couple of weeks , he found a second cousin who lives in wisconsin , america and

lives in wisconsin, america and he's trying to trace some, find out some information and to be honest, at the time , i thought honest, at the time, i thought that donor was a bit of a threat to me. i don't feel that now. and if i met him, i'd probably like shake his hand and say thank, you, because, you know, my son said that the best thing that's ever happened in life that's ever happened in my life , right? yeah. we all , right? yeah. although we all know done that know what he's done with that hand. know my. i like. hand. well, the know my. i like. oh, yeah, i know. but so the possible changes to these laws would this be a good move and if so why is it happened before . it so why is it happened before. it would be a good move. i think at least to give that as an option people. so under the current framework has done he said the law in 2005 so since then no donor be anonymous they have to agree to be identifiable . a agree to be identifiable. a child reaches 18 but what's happenedis child reaches 18 but what's happened is those families are actually curious. earlier than 18. so some of the children are , very curious parents can be. i imagine that the donors are also cunous imagine that the donors are also curious about what's happened to

their donation and you know, what's how this are hoping that they'll be like danny's lovely sons so and i think it's hard to picture the time in 2005 it was pretty prevalent and we actually the move to ending anonymity that was a massive and so is not surprising that there were limits put on that and i think just as it's unfold over the years, it's clear that that actually people would like a little bit more flexible ity and the current framework doesn't allow any flexibility. it's 18 or pursue it on or nothing or you pursue it on a dna testing route, which is kind of not has been agreed, let's say . yeah, now we've not gone say. yeah, now we've not gone into the details in the of this story, but some people might be it and thinking somehow it means you could be tracked down there's a lot of agreement on all sides for this to actually happenisnt all sides for this to actually happen isn't that it. yeah. it's all consensual. the donor all consensual. so the donor would be counsel would be made it made clear to them as they are now . so now they're told,

are now. so now they're told, you know, when you're 18 sorry, when the child reaches 18, they may be interested and may ask for contact information . they for contact information. they may not. so, yes, under the new proposal , may not. so, yes, under the new proposal, all donors would be alerted to the fact that that contact might be much sooner . so contact might be much sooner. so if these if this was available to you earlier, would you think you might have pursued it? because it was interesting. you said that originally you might have considered donor to be have considered the donor to be a but then you realise a threat, but then you realise it's actually threat it's not actually a threat stage. did that happen in your mind when you made your peace with then would you with that and then would you have actually have pursued trying to actually track used that phrase track down and used that phrase even it's not what this even though it's not what this would been it's would have been about, it's about finding contact with that donon about finding contact with that donor. for me it donor. i mean, it's for me it was never about me. it's always going to be about my children and as i said, i've got two kids with very different views. the oldest one would love to find out. the youngest one has no interest whatsoever whatsoever . interest whatsoever whatsoever. isuppose interest whatsoever whatsoever. i suppose i've always been encouraged saying to them to try

and find out more information if they wanted to. and i suppose it's really important for me that i looked as though i was happy. that i looked as though i was happy . well, not just lots. happy. well, not just lots. i was happy with that process. i i don't know if there was like a day where suddenly it wasn't. all right . and the next day it all right. and the next day it was, oh , this is all fine. it's was, oh, this is all fine. it's just been a gradual process over the years, to be honest . so, the years, to be honest. so, yeah , today i'm fine. yeah. and yeah, today i'm fine. yeah. and even though i totally get the point that , it would be about point that, it would be about the child's wants and they have the child's wants and they have the desire . but what they answer the desire. but what they answer any questions in your mind, because you must also wonder, even it's not about your even though it's not about your desire to find out, you have a desire to find out, you have a desire to find out, you have a desire to find out information . desire to find out information. i do but i think it always has to be child centred, but not that i think i said i don't know my biological father for want of a better term. he left when i was three and i have a desire. i mean, my mum ripped up the photos of him unfortunately so i didn't even know what he looks

and i would love it actually if one day i could meet him and just a conversation . and you just a conversation. and you know, if i have that kind of desire, but why shouldn't my children that for if it was natural you know and i want to be there and help them in that process if that happens. yeah and then i don't know how many people know i'm phrasing this badly . how many children? badly. how many children? a donor would end up donating to. in a sense, i don't know what kind of stats your person who partakes of this do they end up having? would they lie 18 years from now, suddenly get 26 people getting in touch. 26 is unlikely. so when the law changed. not only did donors have to agree to be identifiable , but also limits were placed . , but also limits were placed. how many times that donation could be used. so there is currently in the uk a ten family limit. so it's possible that in those families there might be more than one child, but that's probably unlike to be maybe maybe more than 50 children born

from one person's donation and significantly fewer if it was 999 significantly fewer if it was egg donation . mm. and do you egg donation. mm. and do you think there's any group that would disagree with potential change of legislation . yes, change of legislation. yes, i think , you know, it's possible think, you know, it's possible that there will be some people who would like much. it does blur the boundary. i think jordan is hinted at it that a lot of people, if they're having to go down route is it's often not first choice and it can be quite difficult to contemplate the idea of using a sperm donor or an egg donor and that contemplation may be made even more complicated if you're thinking , more complicated if you're thinking, okay, this is not going to be a person who could arrive in my family's life at any point, whereas at least the 18 you sort of can put a nice boundary and say, okay, i've got i've got a long time to wait before i need to really sort of think about this person. but then even so, under the age of 18, even if it's the child who wants to find out more, would you still require the parents

approval to? actually, yeah, it would be parent led under the new model because obviously they would all be children. so it would all be children. so it would be to parents to decide would be up to parents to decide when wanted to find out when they wanted to find out more information about donor and what that would look like whether that would just be maybe some information information, whether that would actually meeting i mean, this sort of all uncharted territory and it will be interesting to see what unfolds. i mean difficult, be interesting to see what unfolds. i mean difficult , to unfolds. i mean difficult, to say no, you weren't in this situation, but we can kind of put our heads that you have the right to say, no, let's not make contact yet. but could you have said no if your children were actually asking for that information? i suspect , actually asking for that information? i suspect, i would have just been left by what my kids want. i mean, look, you know, i said there are 20 in the ranked team by ranking them both and said, is it okay if i come on tonight? well, because on this tonight? well, because it's affecting it's it's not just affecting me, it's affecting them . it know, and affecting them. it you know, and i mean, my son, the fact that his picture is going to be on

telly. so he was very happy. he you know, to me now, you know, i think it really has to be led by them. whatever my views are people talk about it being a see saw and kind of starts with the information shouldn't be led by the parent but eventually yeah yeah that seesaw tips and balance the kids i don't know what you mean you got to be nice to your kids they're the ones who pick the care home, so that'll be nice. and thank you very and anthony . after very much. and anthony. after the break, the gift that keeps on giving. it's the story made the entire uk clear that what's our history? this week we'll be asking a top media lawyer whether it is indeed in the pubuc whether it is indeed in the public interest for us to pore over hancock's whatsapp messages . also have my own say on . i'll also have my own say on the so don't go away . go.

to well. welcome back . how do we well. welcome back. how do we have the right to read someone else's whatsapp messages ? so you else's whatsapp messages? so you better hope so because that's what we'll be doing in the news for at least the next two months. and when i read someone's messages, someone's whatsapp messages, i don't over don't mean leaning over someone's on bus so someone's shoulder on the bus so you can they go off with you can see who they go off with on friday night. course you're allowed to do that. how else you want the time. i am, of want to pass the time. i am, of course, referring to matt

course, referring to the matt hancock mess eight in a hancock mess part eight in a series things you could call series of things you could call that mess. the that matt hancock mess. the telegraph printing on telegraph is printing stories on 100,000 their 100,000 messages. they got their hands was the leak ? the hands on who was the leak? the mole, the rat on the inside it was someone called matt hancock . i always knew he couldn't be trusted. these leaked . he gave trusted. these leaked. he gave to a journalist. isabel oakeshott. now well get in a book written for him. she was the ghost—writer , not an actual the ghost—writer, not an actual ghost, although probably has ghost, although he probably has been making been responsive before making some those . matt, his some of those. matt, for his part , thinks that we shouldn't part, thinks that we shouldn't be seeing these whatsapp messages . first, he claimed that messages. first, he claimed that they'd been stolen in the same way that your family message family members commit larceny at christmas birthdays and then christmas and birthdays and then matt claimed that they we shouldn't to the shouldn't pay attention to the details messages shouldn't pay attention to the detai been messages shouldn't pay attention to the detai been doctored. messages shouldn't pay attention to the detai been doctored. and.ages shouldn't pay attention to the detai been doctored. andagever have been doctored. and if ever there's man who doesn't do have been doctored. and if ever therewith man who doesn't do have been doctored. and if ever therewith doctorso doesn't do have been doctored. and if ever therewith doctors , doesn't do have been doctored. and if ever therewith doctors , it's�*sn't do have been doctored. and if ever therewith doctors , it's hard do have been doctored. and if ever therewith doctors , it's hard to well with doctors, it's hard to feel sorry for matt in general, but especially in this case, journalist he worked with had previous is valid convinced economist vicky price to go on record about taking her husband and christine's speeding points

back in the day. it was good advice apart from the month jail term, she got free, she co—authored call me dave, the book that made claims about david a pig, which david cameron and a pig, which as that image as funny as that mental image is, there's real for it. no is, there's no real for it. no confessions , not even the pig confessions, not even the pig squealed . but with all of that squealed. but with all of that on a cv, matt should have known. he probably should have handed the messages as well, saying, now promise me you won't do in his on this, the argument for publishing these the public interest. and a lot of times that's wrongly people say that's used wrongly people say that's used wrongly people say that about a footballer having that a about a footballer having an affair is the public an affair is in the public interest i mean it's not a footballer. we just assume that they're affair. they're having an affair. i fight it now. i had relatives in a care home during the pandemic. so as part public , i so as part of the public, i would to know if i can would like to know if i can trust the systems in place and our government and the use of whatsapp is a problem here as well. whatsapp well. it's where hide whatsapp messages end messages have end to end encryption and we all know what kind of end. matt hancock , he's kind of end. matt hancock, he's the person who could eat a kangaroo's watch, say it and the kangaroo's watch, say it and the

kangaroo feels sullied . but when kangaroo feels sullied. but when a journalist files a freedom of information request, it can include whatsapp messages. but do you know which messages you're asking for ? and they you're asking for? and if they magically there's magically get deleted, there's nothing be done about nothing that can be done about it. where they hide. so it. it's where they hide. so this tells us that this government is being run like a parents whatsapp now, parents whatsapp group. now, people telegraph people worry that the telegraph will messages fit will spin these messages to fit agenda. yeah they probably will. of they will, because of course they will, because they're every they're biased. like every newspaper do it. our job newspaper they'd do it. ourjob as a discerning reader is to try and the bias, adjust it and spot the bias, adjust for it if you to. but there's one if you want to. but there's one man can one man who man who can help, one man who can correct the bias, one man who publish all of the who could publish all of the messages so know really messages so we know what really happened. one man that could free information and shine free the information and shine a light what i'm saying light on truth. what i'm saying is need matt hancock and is we need matt hancock and that's going badly before that's never going badly before as it . joining me as it. joining me to discuss this thing is none other than media in crisis pr lawyer jonathan code, who was actually

recently asked to act for matt hancock. thank you for joining me . yes i have to say , that's me. yes i have to say, that's disappointing because i made it absolutely clear to your programme . i asked them not programme. i asked them not disclose that . and that is very disclose that. and that is very very poor journalism disclose that. and that is very very poorjournalism . okay. very poor journalism. okay. well, i seems like i mean, are you okay to carry on or is that the kind of thing that means you don't want to carry on? no. going to apologise doesn't mean in the right because i disagree with all lot say. but you with all lot of you say. but you stood in of a paying stood there in front of a paying audience throwing poo left, right and centre matt hancock , right and centre matt hancock, when your own television station has engaged in correspondence with me , i explained that one, with me, i explained that one, you know, i'm in position to able to comment on this and mentioned that i'd been approached by matt hancock. i asked you not to mention that. well he was anybody anybody is

tempted to take seriously or your programme seriously . here's your programme seriously. here's a good reason in this i can apologise for including the information and i just need to know are of course, and i would love to know your account as to any points that i made if you would like to make them and i apologise. yeah, well i will. the difficulty is, is where begin. okay. so first of all, you've asked the wrong question. no, inevitably looked at this as a clear year. and since there was a non—disclosure agreement and we all by laws and doubtless includes non—disclosure agreements and it's employment and therefore has no problem them in principle . the question them in principle. the question fundamentally is , was it right fundamentally is, was it right for this lady to instead you mentioned she had four. we didn't mention the whole of the four. she did exactly the same thing to aaron banks when she was asked to ghostwrite book about brexit just to jump in my

heart feels like we agree on that point where i was saying she had full i didn't mention all of the points that you would like to mention and you all you were taking up. i she had food and i just thought for the audience sake but the most direct form is that she she broke an agreement in the ghostwriting agreement . now i've ghostwriting agreement. now i've seen and drafted a number of these every single has and on disclosure agreements. so just the way the question you're going to interrupt me you can let me finish. i'm trying to work out what? yeah. and you're saying we're asking the wrong question. love to know what the right question. i'm now going to explain why interrupted me by saying you apparently me . saying you apparently agree me. so how do you not interrupt me. i would have got to the end of the answer. okay can i ask the answer. okay so can i ask again, what is the theme that i should asked? so all right. should be asked? so all right. so i'm by a covid entry allergy obugafion so i'm by a covid entry allergy obligation , both contractually

obligation, both contractually and the lawyer . now, obligation, both contractually and the lawyer. now, i ask you rhetorically , you come to me . rhetorically, you come to me. some marital problem and you say all sorts of things in confidence . me about confidence. me about difficulties of your families your children . and then for some your children. and then for some reason you're in the public the pubuc reason you're in the public the public arena for some reason i think a couple of months later, you know what? i didn't like that man. he was on television and he said, duff things all. you know, i don't like his political views or whatever you know what, i'm going to disclose everything that this gentleman said me on a unilateral decision of my own . now that a hell need of my own. now that a hell need to understand this , the point is to understand this, the point is she was bound by a contract. so as a matter of law, there are two tests. the first test is generally speaking confidential information . you balance the information. you balance the rights of people , know the right

rights of people, know the right confidentiality. but what the law says in terms of a contract , the law says there to be a much higher test because someone has entered into a contract for payment. remember, she was paid she entered a contract for payment. so was there sufficient pubuc payment. so was there sufficient public interest for her to breach that contract? now, i can tell you that as a matter of law, the answer to that is no. okay but do you? so can i join in, partake of a conversation ? in, partake of a conversation? your exams are about me talking about my private life would have no public interest. i suddenly became an mp where i was telling people how to live their marital lives. so your example doesn't have that public interest in and i let's, let's, let's pick that up . so you think that if you up. so you think that if you became mp because this is an extraordinary thing to say but let's let's split out to so it show idiotic is so you think that if you became an mp where you had an obligation to speak

about family issues that that would entitle me to go to the telegraph and say you know what final years ago you instructed me let me finish on the issues of marital confidence and because he's now an mp he all these are all things that you told me. do you think that's right? so i here's an example then let's take it more i'd ridiculous the i to you you have no question do you think that's right. yes in specific example i'm to you do. okay. i'm about to say you do. okay. well then don't god help you if you really that obligations are covered a worth that little. i believe you. i give you that it's my case. is there any case when there be a time that you could break a confidence, a non—disclosure agreement because of public interest, because it seems like you're describing no possible outcome when that would be correct. i would saying that there has to be a very high circumstances for that now. i don't think there is because

that's going to be your next question. so the interesting point is that this is the covid crisis was was the first that any government faced for 100 years. so that we discover that mistakes were made during the covid crisis. i know how extreme it is that i'm also quite is a luxury to learn from from those that the government made mistakes it could just talk about this can you i've just been given the actual that you send to my producer which they'd me to read out as a courtesy. the lady who approached me to for matt hancock i would be grateful if it was mentioned that he asked me to act for him. oh, oh. so it seems that you are, that you're actually that it's my mistake. i missed the. no, i take all of that fact and my apologies . oh who writes that my apologies. oh who writes that i'm wrong ? my apologies. oh who writes that i'm wrong? you

my apologies. oh who writes that i'm wrong ? you not my apologies. oh who writes that i'm wrong? you not said my apologies. oh who writes that i'm wrong ? you not said use. i'm wrong? you not said use. i should be wrong about that. my apologies i think will leave it there but thank you very much partaking in that conversation and best wishes jonathan cohn , and best wishes jonathan cohn, thank you for joining and best wishes jonathan cohn, thank you forjoining us. after thank you for joining us. after the break on face the nation, things are about to get a bit heated. wow well, we will debate whether it's okay to take children and babies to drag shows, move a muscle,

well welcome back to free speech nation. and here's a subject thatis nation. and here's a subject that is sure to divide the room. is it okay to take your child or baby to a drag show? there's been a rise in the popularity of coven been a rise in the popularity of cover, papa. it's a show which has sparked outrage for its raunchy contents, including one dancer bouncing upside down on the chair while wearing nothing but stilettos and a thong. others though, see it as a fun day out for the parents and a form of sensory class. to debate this, i'm joined by columnist dominique and dominique samuels and broadcaster social broadcaster and social media commentator kaur. broadcaster and social media commentator kaur . all commentator narinder kaur. all so my first question would be, where do you stand on this? and i'm presuming it's not upside down on the chick. well, i think you'd be right. i i was completely horrified . firstly, completely horrified. firstly, when i was directed to the

incident at the oklahoma location where there was a drag queenin location where there was a drag queen in a mini skirt and pvc boots bunching of her skirt , boots bunching of her skirt, doing the splits, gyrating on the floor whilst a confused young girl watched on. and the parents were guffawing and hooting with glee. and then once i posted that, i was directed by several people to come up. ababa raised that instagram page. i was actually blocked, which is funny, but i asked people to send me screen recordings and screenshots of what could only be described as highly sexualised themes that belong in a strip club. you know, the question isn't whether or not the kids necessarily know what's going on, although at a certain point your brain is literally like a sponge and you can absorb what's going on around you and become desensitised, that sort of behaviour. most of behaviour. but the most important question is why would you as an adult, as a grown man or woman, want to perform in nothing but thongs, gyrate and doing the splits in front of babies? that's a really, really important question. why would

you want to be nothing but nipple tassels, holding toddlers? you telling me i'm asking the wrong question? because had enough because that's i've had enough of you want to be know to of that. you want to be know to get to that point highly sexualised content does not seem appropriate with this highly sexualised content . with with sexualised content. with with singers. with dancers . you know, singers. with dancers. you know, i'm a mother . and when my kids i'm a mother. and when my kids were babies and if madonna came on to tell you beyonce, it was something sexual, i think running to switch it off because that baby is and i think it's bonkers that you're pushing this narrative , this extreme right narrative, this extreme right wing narrative . but actually, wing narrative. but actually, your team analysing the lgbt community issue, all your demonising them because you're trying to make a that they're somehow going to do something to children . what are they going to children. what are they going to do to children? is there any evidence when you're watching these the clips of these these videos, the clips of these videos add, was that videos may i just add, was that any real danger to children that dominique. well, was there dominique. well, was that there has been several other videos of separate you haven't seen the

whole video of separate events with these drag queens age appropriate age appropriate age appropriate. how is a man doing appropriate. how is a man doing a handstand and nothing but a thong? because somehow suspend and another man suspended on this , he's got out of bondage this, he's got out of bondage gear and stripper heels. no you probably shouldn't. and you ought deluded. i'm a video , you ought deluded. i'm a video, you see. you know the videos of these drag queens shows. you have girls dancing, but you have nothing provocatively with paris and all the bills, children. you've got to get into children hosting events with, you know , hosting events with, you know, without broadcasting stereo. it's one channel i've got to take it. one look at the video. is that the kind of thing you'd be okay with? well, my kids went to circus shows and so things i bought, i took them to a fire show because can see that show because you can see that the and the show. yes, the moms show and the show. yes, fire eaters are doing all of our babies. my kids finish homeless world. it's all me. danger to

all. they're doing something to children , right? do you? don't children, right? do you? don't you ? are you saying you're you? are you saying you're pushing a narrative? oh, you know what i saw? as much as as much as we're all friends here, it's got to be one at a time. otherwise we. yeah, we missed the. an interruption. no the, the, the that's all a comparison. yeah, it's you do see things that are, you know, attractive things attractive people doing things like is the like that. so what is the difference for you between said solely that we just solely on the clip that we just saw, differences. are saw, the differences. we are talking a company that talking about a company that calls itself a baby cabaret. it's specifically targeted calls itself a baby cabaret. it'children. iecifically targeted calls itself a baby cabaret. it'children. that'slly targeted calls itself a baby cabaret. it'children. that's whyirgeted calls itself a baby cabaret. it'children. that's why thered at children. that's why there are children there in the pictures from the website, you can see babies, toddlers in nothing but a nappy. while all this sort of activities go on, it's raw. you know, it's wrong . it's raw. you know, it's wrong. and you are desensitising children to highly sexualised themes . this this isn't the only themes. this this isn't the only event worth thing this evening. it does not before. and it's never should not be possible. the thing is with people, why are you why you targeting drag queens? why are you specifically targeting queer communities, targeting the queer communities, the drag queens targeting the

children, the moms? why do you want to. dad loves donald trump , anything like that. how dare moms going out with a baby that doesit moms going out with a baby that does it ? no, the question not does it? no, the question not that i'm saying you're asking the question. the question the wrong question. the question the wrong question. the question the dominic saying the question that dominic saying that other art form would that is the other art form would have sexualised madonna have a sexualised madonna concerts don't just do baby versions . no. is that a point versions. no. is that a point that you might think, okay, there's a question this all comes up for to 2 know these comes up for 0 to 2 know these these are appropriate. they these are age appropriate. they may on the let's with now i'm not sure if you're it's not age i'm just not sure this is a routine can you see any girls they are going to they're going to do some the children are in close proximity to children doing the splits with bellies peeung doing the splits with bellies peeling . let's work out what the peeling. let's work out what the complaint is. if the complaint is about normalisation, it's not necessarily proximity or anything like that. your point would be that children of that age shouldn't be seeing this thing. exactly. it's not. and look, abuse and desensitisation isn't just about physically touching a child . anyone with

touching a child. anyone with any knowledge ? different phones any knowledge? different phones go through the neck. i'm sorry. that's just wild. you would think a whole knowledge you create in your emails more to do with the reply . i'm. create in your emails more to do with the reply. i'm. i'm exaggerating. this can only be described as grooming. i've spoken to numerous . oh my spoken to numerous. oh my goodness. so you get to the end of who i've spoken to numerous people with expertise in child safeguarding. they have said to me there are clear safeguarding concerns with these sorts of events. as i've said events. and as i've said numerous times, this is just one of many examples of highly sexualised themes being presented to children , you know, presented to children, you know, doing mock stripper shows where they're throwing dollar bills at children, as you say about this , we're not to say don't make are you really trying to say that drag queens in these drag shows that they're a danger to children all show is any children? all they show is any evidence . have you got any evidence. have you got any stuff? for instance , is you to stuff? for instance, is you to follow in church? is there something says of using this new

culture of let's have highly so queens are they ? i didn't say queens are they? i didn't say that but you want the several cases you want this thing that you are ignoring. you, you, you also have church is supposed to be safe. god, but that wasn't safe. what you're trying to do lots of things in trying to do is you're doing you're playing what in order to what about rape in order to distract you're demonising one community, wrong community, which is quite wrong . so sorry what i say to you . so i'm sorry what i say to you that, brett, because demonising them, i would say to you that what you've just suggested there is homophobic is actually pretty homophobic because you're using people or queer people if you like. you just do not want to be associated men in thongs, associated with men in thongs, twerking for kids. you got to take you got to take a lesson out. gay people are not sensitive about . i think they do sensitive about. i think they do that a lot of shows. my kids have been to five shows. they've been to circuses. and there's a lot of these scantily clad in all of that. it doesn't mean my children are suddenly something's going to happen to them. doesn't i would

them. it doesn't mean i would appropriate. but it's not a dangen appropriate. but it's not a danger. you said it's not danger. you just said it's not for . i just. we can all agree for me. i just. we can all agree . we agree that it's not appropriate . so the debate is appropriate. so the debate is a danger to children to leave it there . thank you to both there. thank you to both dominique samuels and narinder kaun dominique samuels and narinder kaur, i'm sure say more about well , we have been kaur, i'm sure say more about well, we have been in touch kaur, i'm sure say more about well , we have been in touch with well, we have been in touch with the festival. his program , cabo the festival. his program, cabo ababa rave, is part of and they said the cabaret show is designed for parents with sensory movements for babies and is a fun and welcoming space for parents with young babies. we stand against the inexcusable threats of against threats of violence, against assaults , assault against our assaults, assault against our program, artists , our staff, and program, artists, our staff, and directed at the lgbtq a—plus community and are supporting the affected artists. that was their statement . so, hey, it's time statement. so, hey, it's time now for a break. but don't go anywhere because there's lots more to come between now and nine, eight. you'll see it. we'll see you in a few minutes.

well, there's plenty more still to come on. free speech nation, including whether love island has become a breeding ground for toxic femininity. that's up next. first, though, the news with own armstrong . hi there. with own armstrong. hi there. i'm our armstrong in the gb newsroom. let's get you up to

date with the headlines. the former health secretary wanted to, quote, frighten the pants off everyone to insure public comply ends with constantly changing covid rules. the comply ends with constantly changing covid rules . the latest changing covid rules. the latest leaked whatsapp messages in the sunday telegraph show matt hancock on his team discussing how to utilise fear and guilt to make people obey lockdown, including using a new strain of the virus to scare the public. the shadow work and pensions secretary jonathan ashworth told us mr. hancock's political career is over. i think the key thing is, is that he is a councillor himself in front of an inquiry. it comes back to this point, isn't it, why we need this inquiry to take place quickly? a lot of people lost their lives. there's a lot of people who think that the way in which lockdowns operated has had long term implications on all kinds of fronts. everybody wants an inquiry because everybody wants to be able to see the evidence, to be able to debate it properly and calmly and it's

why we need to get on with it. a separate set of leaked message is the uk's top civil servant described boris johnson as a nationally distrusted figure that he feared would be ignored by the public if the then prime minister introduced new lockdown rules. simon case was appointed cabinet secretary by boris johnson in september 2020. a spokesman for the former prime minister's declined to comment . minister's declined to comment. next week's remaining ambulance strikes in england have been called off. the unite union, which represents 3000 workers, has entered pay talks with the government . so they have joined government. so they have joined unison and the gmb unions , which unison and the gmb unions, which say there's been a huge shift in the government's position. the strikes were to take place tomorrow and wednesday . two men tomorrow and wednesday. two men arrested following the shooting of a police officer in northern ireland have been released. detective chief inspector john caldwell was shot several times in omagh last month. he remains in omagh last month. he remains in a critical but stable condition in hospital . six other condition in hospital. six other men who were arrested and questioned as part of the

investigation have previously been .the investigation have previously been . the duke and been released. the duke and duchess of sussex, however , duchess of sussex, however, saved an invitation, an official one, to king charles coronation. a spokesperson for meghan and harry told gb news a decision on their attendance would not be disclosed at the present time . disclosed at the present time. the coronation itself will take place on may the sixth and liverpool broke manchester united's hearts on a host of records with red, historic and humiliating seven nil win against their arch rivals at anfield. mo salah scored twice to become liverpool's record premier league goal scorer cody gakpo apo and darwin nunez added two each as liverpool scored six goals in the second half. it is their greatest win ever against manchester united and it's united's heaviest defeat against any team since 1931. tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news. now a back to free speech nation

. welcome back to the free speech nation. let's get some more questions from the audience. our first question, this section comes from you and either should we bring back bofis either should we bring back boris to make britain great again? again should we bring back boris to make britain great again? again. so there's this is the evidence that the house of commons may have misled boris, but been less been misled by bofis but been less been misled by boris johnson. sorry, i think that word is rather key there. it's been an interesting time for us with all of the various things that have been going on. leo watson , to do you want leo watson, to you. do you want to even more johnson to see even more boris johnson back well, i mean, back again? well, i mean, i guess from the tories point of view, the good thing about boris johnson people know who johnson is that people know who he for him, he is, unlike voting for him, which other tory leaders have, haven't shown, demonstrate that same ability. so i think from a from an electoral, electoral

point of view, it'd be good for the tories, but given that everything else is bad for the tories electorally , i mean tories electorally, i mean i don't think there's much point coming, but i think, i think, you know, a clean slate. ricky's honestly been doing all right, but nobody seems to seems to know about i mean, he got know about it. i mean, he got rid nicola sturgeon june. he rid of nicola sturgeon june. he he already putting he which we're already putting up statues of rishi in glasgow . up statues of rishi in glasgow. and he's, he's sorted out the northern ireland protocol. he's, he's got tanks into, into ukraine. so yeah, he's, he's doing great. but nobody, nobody seems to appreciate that at all. lewis, what do you think? he's not moving the darling. i know this is not turning into a conversation. it's meant to be boris, but why is. why is not rishi? because it's because it's british politics. because it has nothing to do . because it's so nothing to do. because it's so far removed from the average person and they don't they don't trust what's going on. and i think the main thing actually , think the main thing actually, now about it , the now that i think about it, the main thing is, is that is that the tories are so far cooked

that they're they're done, that there's no point in like having any hope or even caring about rishi or any or any tories. it doesn't matter what the balls comes back, they're, they're donein comes back, they're, they're done in the minds of the people. the lead is so handsome man to vote for labour. so why should weavers? it's like. it's like a race where the guy is, like, ten laps behind the now he's nine laps behind the now he's nine laps behind the now he's nine laps behind you know, when he gets these things. do you think this is just the natural swing? it tends to be a decade of one, a decade of another . yeah. i a decade of another. yeah. i mean. well that's what you hope. but normally when you've got a terrible economy, soaring crime and no border control, you can vote tory to fix it. and this time we don't because we've just said we've had about 30 years of labour government just sometimes they call themselves tories. yeah well our next question is from paul . yes. should we from paul. yes. should we benefit ? sorry, should we benefit? sorry, should we legalise drugs if it benefits our mental health? should we legalise drugs if it benefits our mental health? well, prince

harry reveals that drugs were a comfort to help deal with the trauma of the duke of sussex. said that psychedelics gave him a comfort and a release, comfort and lightness. and one of the fundamental parts of his life and the way it would chase it also not a fan of cocaine, apparently . i also not a fan of cocaine, apparently. i don't also not a fan of cocaine, apparently . i don't know what apparently. i don't know what i'm going you as an expert on i'm going to you as an expert on this but. well, this one, lewis, but. well, drugs . this one, lewis, but. well, drugs. drugs, i like 99% drugs. drugs, i mean, like 99% of all the drugs are prescription drugs . so it's like prescription drugs. so it's like you're talking about elite . it's you're talking about elite. it's the ones that are illegal, but there's no difference in the illegal drugs and the prescription drugs. yes, there's a difference between legal drugs. one is illegal and drugs. yeah. one is illegal and one is legal. but he's a very poor one and nobody's performed a sex act to get paracetamol. yeah but i've been to that once . i'll make a case for this. yeah but i've been to that once . i'll make a case for this . i . i'll make a case for this. i don't. i don't trust the medical profession . so why should they profession. so why should they have a monopoly on handing out drugs that we think will help? they hand out drugs that hurt us, that they basically force us

to take like statins , you know? to take like statins, you know? so can't we have free, free so why can't we have free, free rein to decide what drugs we are going to take? i'm in total for in favour of legalisation of everything i'm an i'm a free speech libertarian absolutist, free, free speech, free drugs. yeah. love well, i think it should be free, right ? what's should be free, right? what's your take on this then? do you think the country would be better off if we had more drugs? that's all i totally disagree with with lewis. i mean, harry's come and he's like, oh, come out and he's like, oh, drugs, drugs help me deal with my trauma. and you don't me my trauma. and you don't give me this lightness this sense of lightness and stuff. why don't you show stuff. well, why don't you show it? yeah, do you always cry it? yeah, why do you always cry and your trauma? and moaning about your trauma? i mean, he needs more drugs. mean, maybe he needs more drugs. yes why i'm in yes well, that's why i'm in favour legalising it. you favour of legalising it. so you look him and you think this look at him and you think this guy's plonker, he's taking guy's a plonker, he's taking drugs. maybe shouldn't be drugs. maybe i shouldn't be taking drugs . there be taking drugs. there should be openness. is free speech, openness. this is free speech, steven. free speech. it's about. it's about letting people make decisions on their own. that's

having the government bureaucracy tell us we can and what we can and cannot do. do you think we should be able to give alcohol to five year olds? that's something different. is that something ? it's free. this that something? it's free. this is free speech. this is free. without the government telling me what i can do with my five year old. well, do you want to know something? okay i will have to say yes. which if the parent wants to give their children drugs , do you have to say yes drugs, do you have to say yes because you mean it? because i've painted that. you i've painted you into that. you painted a that doesn't painted me into a that doesn't mean it isn't right. it isn't right. sometimes we have to make the hard decision, which is to let a five year old go to this off licence and buy drugs and buy come buy alcohol. prince harry's come out, let our drugs help out, he said, let our drugs help me. and i felt good when i was taking the drugs. yeah, yeah, the drugs, of course. when you're drugs, harry, you're taking the drugs, harry, that's do. yes. so i that's what drugs do. yes. so i know. i thought i thought my point was perfectly well made. which is which is, if you give people the ability to choose, do you think every single person

would smoke pot ? no, it's legal would smoke pot? no, it's legal now. but most people don't spend a lot of time smoking pot because made a decision not because they made a decision not to do it. they have they don't. we no longer have to rely in the states telling us not to do it. i to tell you, smoking pot i got to tell you, smoking pot is not no you've got to is not legal. no you've got to get yourself in trouble . oh, get yourself in trouble. oh, quit . got to say. well, yeah . i quit. got to say. well, yeah. i mean, i think the government is going to decriminalise and legalise pot like cbd is already. yeah decriminalised and i think the government likes it because it keeps you placid. yeah it keeps you just sitting there playing your police station instead of instead of getting angry. and if the people want to give in to the government, if they to government, if they want to basically and be be basically bow down and be be slaves like the government wants us to be, we'll smoke pot. but if we want to not be slaves, we won't smoke pot. you know what? i don't trust the government . i i don't trust the government. i don't trust the government . don't trust the government. something called the lewis shaefer effect is that the person who's an idiot? no. is

more than the then. then the government and drug . drug government and drug. drug dealers. drug dealers are a lot like government. i remember when i was a teenager, i went to buy a modigliani of an ounce of a drug and then i realised that to get like a quarter, i'd like a team for a 16th of an ounce for my brother. so the drug dealer took the give me, put it down, cut a bit off and he's like, yo, there's your 16th as well. so that was that was basically when the government rose. he did that right in front of it. it's like, look, i've given you, i've given you some free stuff. yeah. by making it smaller for your brother. so it's like they don't have some of these have a standard. some of these they next they listen it. our next question is sandra. hi question is from sandra. hi susan. get paid menstrual susan. women get paid menstrual leave. women get paid leave. should women get paid menstrual leave? this is spain as improvements, relief the first country in europe to do so.the first country in europe to do so. the new bill gives women the opfion so. the new bill gives women the option to call in sick in case of incapacitating menstruation. i don't know which way look i don't know which way to look here up with the least

here to end up with the least offensive . oh my word , leon, offensive. oh my word, leon, what is your take on this? what is a woman ? oh it's someone who is a woman? oh it's someone who menstruate so many women. but that's you know, it's not to say that's you know, it's not to say that i'm okay. i'm a woman and i demand to go on leave for four days a month. yeah because i need to be at home with my feelings . so. yeah, no, this is feelings. so. yeah, no, this is ridiculous. nobody's. nobody wants to employ women anyway, but know that they also get that they're not even going to turn off because they go. so they're going menstrie. it's like, going to menstrie. it's like, come on, we can deal. men can deal with all kinds. it's come on, we can deal. men can deal with all kinds . it's the deal with all kinds. it's the way we deal with flu. yeah. way we deal with man flu. yeah. so should gone louis so we should have gone to louis first. oh let's see if this is any better . what do you first. oh let's see if this is any better. what do you think about women? think what? you about women? i think what? you know what i think about women is that that, you know, if you that is that, you know, if you give to take off for give them time to take off for menstruating which menstruating, which is legitimate, if legitimate, you know what? if what shouldn't be able what if, shouldn't they be able to off the after to take time off the day after they see their best friend wearing the same dress and

looking ? think could be looking? i think that could be very , very horrible. you know ? i very, very horrible. you know? i know. i know. leah will come up with many more of these kind of examples because he's a professional and i'm just professional comic and i'm just a person now that he is . but professional comic and i'm just a person now that he is. but i'm against women working, period. so i know it's not a joke. i'm against women working because because i'm against everyone working. i think women, while they're menstruating. and what i mean why they're menstruating, say 13 to 50 or 60, whatever the age limit, they should not work because they don't like working . no, no, no , no. i should have . no, no, no, no. i should have stayed with leo all my working because. no one likes working. honestly, you might like going to the office and being flirted with some older guy, you know, and nature or something. but you don't like working. nobody loves. they do . they like going loves. they do. they like going to work forming cliques and to work and forming cliques and being judgemental. that's not work. that is not work . but i'm work. that is not work. but i'm with the public sector , so it is

with the public sector, so it is attempt to try and, you know, save all of careers . would save all of our careers. would you take people can have sick time off if you're too ill to work. yeah. like physics , lee, work. yeah. like physics, lee, you've got a feeling that means you've got a feeling that means you work but come you can't work then. but come on, menstruation know i've seen a documentary many documentaries called and women called tampax adverts and women can rule us, they can climb ladders , see, they can win a lot ladders, see, they can win a lot of white leggings. it's you know, they can do anything a man can do, right? and then they're complaining that that the period pads cost so much money and they're like 49 pee at in an old dear little would you not be slightly miffed if you were paying slightly miffed if you were paying value added tax on something which therefore is technically a luxury and you think, well, this is a luxury , think, well, this is a luxury, is it not? i don't know how to describe it in a way that's not tv appropriate. yeah, we try try paying tv appropriate. yeah, we try try paying dinner. yeah it's paying for dinner. yeah it's a lot more than p you know. lot more than 49 p you know. i mean it's about which is mean it's about 1199, which is what have to pay after these what you have to pay after these women go . on the i know always

women go. on the i know always you say to me, i should stop it before you go too far, but i never do because i want to see where it ends up. ends up in an ofcom complaint. yeah. so i'll final question is from nick in la talking about going to work. i like the revelation that train fares are about to rise by up to 5.9, which i gather is the largest increase in ten years. should the whole of the country get a 5.9% pay rise so they won't be able to afford it? oh yeah. with the rail fares going up you will get a 5.9% pay rise. a regulated rail fares in england and wales are set to rise by 5.9, as campaigners call for reform due to unreliable services. louis what's your do you use the trains a lot? i do, because i have a special card that enables me. so which is quite good about this country. and i feel sorry for everybody else. but at the end of the day , the this is called in—flight asian. i've lived through i'm old enough to remember for the last time. if you're over a

certain major, you remember the last time there was inflation, everything goes up. if they give everyone a pay rise, where are they going to get the money from number two, to just number one and two, to just create inflation, which create more inflation, which means they're have to means they're going to have to raise already , mean they raise prices already, mean they raise prices already, mean they raise prices already, mean they raise prices even more than the 5.9. what they need to do is they should present they shouldn't have done this in the first place. they shouldn't have done we shouldn't have spent at inflation. they shouldn't have basically given the covid basically given in to the covid panic and just told people to stay home and then just printed money. and so roads end up there. although this is not about roads, about rails. yeah, well, this call comes down to it comes down to all of this. how how is there inflation? but we're in this situation. i mean, people saying inflation was people were saying inflation was coming not meant coming down the track, not meant to it for a while, but to be upon it for a while, but the way it sets up is that the fares go up based on like july is inflation whatever it is, is inflation or whatever it is, and then you pay for it in january. we've just hit it really badly that was really badly that there was a spike these

spike in inflation. when these figures are going to be used. yeah. so we're even being ripped off factor inflation off even if you factor inflation into trend of into it. but also the trend of claw back some of money that claw back some of the money that was the transport was pumped into the transport networks during during covid when was you know, buying when nobody was you know, buying tickets. so we're seeing the same tfl . we're seeing the same with tfl. we're seeing the same with tfl. we're seeing the same london. so you know, same in london. so you know, sadiq wants expand the sadiq khan wants to expand the low zone. no because low emission zone. no because there's high emissions in the suburbs and the outskirts of london. there isn't the emissions are only a problem in the london. he just the central london. he just wants people for money. wants to gouge people for money. we'll have notes on next question is from melanie . well, question is from melanie. well, what the party met him, quote susan sue gray executive we bored of living in rome hoping what we've party gave matt hancock and sue gray back again . we're bored of living in .we're bored of living in groundhog day . yeah interesting. groundhog day. yeah interesting. i me also boris johnson. brexit sue gray . matt hancock. donald sue gray. matt hancock. donald trump . all they're all the trump. all they're all the classics are back. i mean, is this good, leo, because we can just trot out the same old jokes again or is it time for life to

move mean, that is the bad move on? i mean, that is the bad thing being a comedian. if thing about being a comedian. if you you write a joke, this you if you write a joke, this this topical, then you know, you can't the things can't you can't do the things not the news anymore. i'm not in the news anymore. so i'm going guess it's good from going to guess it's good from that of view. but yeah, that point of view. but yeah, everybody's bored the path to everybody's bored of the path to get bored well, get to this. bored party. well, the parties hopping the the parties were hopping the people party were bored people at the party were bored of the party. it was an absolutely to still be absolutely nonsense to still be digging oh. starmer digging in. oh oh. keir starmer had beer at a quorum and had a beer at a quorum and boris, he the same room boris, he was in the same room as a kick. it's like, no, nobody cares. the whole thing was a fraud. we that now is fraud. we know that now is all is a tool. first it was all concocted. there's like 27 scientists paid by lab to scientists were paid by a lab to sign a letter and then we all it to in our mum's. i think to live in our mum's. i think for a few years, except for the smart people we just ignored all the and just went about the rules and just went about their and there's their lives. and then there's loads spaces in the and loads of spaces in the tree. and so sort what people are so it's sort of what people are complaining. anyway, anybody so it's sort of what people are costilliining. anyway, anybody so it's sort of what people are costill mourning anyway, anybody so it's sort of what people are costill mourning aboutay, anybody so it's sort of what people are co still mourning about covidbody is still mourning about covid and anything is and partying and anything is basically a total you know, annoyed the way that politics annoyed by the way that politics works, that if something happens, there'll question happens, there'll be a question

about launch an about it. but they launch an inquiry don't have to inquiry so they don't have to answer during the answer the questions during the heat phase. the heat goes out of it. the inquiry comes up with something. the result it. the inquiry comes up with sorthey ng. the result it. the inquiry comes up with sorthey say the result it. the inquiry comes up with sorthey say calmly, the result it. the inquiry comes up with sorthey say calmly, the stillt is, they say calmly, we're still talking this. yeah, yeah, talking about this. yeah, yeah, exactly. they choose. exactly. and then they choose. and that's what one of the bad exactly. and then they choose. and th about1at one of the bad exactly. and then they choose. and th about the )ne of the bad exactly. and then they choose. and th about the british :he bad exactly. and then they choose. and th about the british british things about the british british political is. they they political system is. they they having that investigation, having this that investigation, which one which is bad. they have one person the person leading the investigation, that investigation, which means that that becomes suspect investigation, which means that that can becomes suspect investigation, which means that that can be becomes suspect investigation, which means that that can be it becomes suspect investigation, which means that that can be it caniecomes suspect investigation, which means that that can be it can be>mes suspect investigation, which means that that can be it can be denounced.t and can be it can be denounced. so that's what happened. sue gray they just say, oh, she's gray so they just say, oh, she's not just she's not she's biased because working because she's working with the labour yeah, but labour party now. yeah, but wasn't given wasn't she immediately given i mean as soon as the inquiry closed was immediately given closed she was immediately given a position as a, as a a prime position as a, as a reward almost . it was a labour reward almost. it was a labour party which if they had, if they have a commission or investigate asian, have like, like the asian, you have like, like the warren commission with kennedy's death multiple people death they had multiple people on that. so they couldn't just give at one. they a broad is give at one. they had a broad is better because you to better because you have to broaden people i love how broaden more people i love how you if that's democracy broad references topical then our

final question is from ash is technology becoming a bit too creepy? is technology becoming a bit too creepy? well, this would be the remote kissing device that lets long distance lovers share a silicon smooch on the remote kiss devices. i mean, it's it seems gross. i don't if you've seen any pictures of this, but lewis, is this how you do it ? i this, but lewis, is this how you do it? i couldn't i couldn't afford the $31. that's how much , of course. i mean, it's like a blow up doll or something. it's just it's just a continuation of technology . it's like the technology. it's like the telephone is having sex on the phone, having sex over the internet. it'sjust phone, having sex over the internet. it's just one more way for men to get their rocks off . for men to get their rocks off. but women, unfortunately , only but women, unfortunately, only want to be like men nowadays , so want to be like men nowadays, so they're becoming just as creepy as us. looking forward to the world of kissing over the internet and getting a good review on lip advisor . that's review on lip advisor. that's right . best. review on lip advisor. that's right. best. i review on lip advisor. that's right . best. i saw review on lip advisor. that's

right. best. i saw a review on lip advisor. that's right . best. i saw a video of right. best. i saw a video of this thing. it's like robot lips. it's like the terminator. or if they just made it's lips and just got to be honest, i know they're silly. oh, you can. you can kiss your partner over the internet. nobody's nobody's putting their lips in that thing . everybody . well, after . well, everybody. well, after the break, we'll be speaking to the break, we'll be speaking to the founder of mankind initiative about why men on love island need to treated the island need to be treated the same the girls. we'll see you same as the girls. we'll see you in a few minutes.

on mark dolan tonight or is johnson one power with three magic words get brexit done. rishi sunak can do the same with three new ones. stop the boats? in my opinion , the leaked in my opinion, the leaked whatsapp messages from matt hancock proved what we feared all along . they laughed as they all along. they laughed as they locked us down. is there an argument for an independent england? my marr meets guest is robin tilbrook , leader of the

robin tilbrook, leader of the engush robin tilbrook, leader of the english democrat party plus political firebrand ann widdecombe and tomorrow's papers, see you . papers, see you. at welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation toxic masculinity has become a very common phrase but do we need to consider what happens when women display so—called toxic traits? the domestic abuse charity mankind initiative is voiced concerns after a male contestant was left in tears when his on screen partner went off with someone else. the founder of the charity, mark brooks, joins me now. thanks so much for being. and can you tell us what happened? first of all, so we know what we're talking about. well, couple of well, just over a couple of weekends there was weekends ago, there was a situation where three of the contestants, female on love island , were seen to be island, were seen to be manipulating and gaslighting and really being quite offensive to

the three of the male contestants. and it seemed to be quite coordinated by them . and quite coordinated by them. and obviously, what they then was those men in tears and really upset and actually quite kind of psychologically harmed by what was going on. so that's the kind ofissue was going on. so that's the kind of issue that came up. and it's been a regular of many of those love island series. so is we using the right phrase, though? because is that toxic femininity or is it toxic behaviour? and we don't need to slap a gender on the end of it. well it's toxic behaviour. i mean we and other charities don't like phrase toxic masculinity because we find offensive . we also find it quite offensive. we also think much blames men think it very much blames men who who have got problems in who are who have got problems in their lives and it gives excuses for people not to talk . support for people not to talk. support those men. so we wouldn't agree with toxic feminine here either. you've got toxic men and you've got toxic women . but there's got toxic women. but there's nothing particular about a gender or sex when it comes to being toxic. so some people,

certainly online , would use certainly online, would use phrases like toxic masculinity and therefore, one would presume toxic femininity to say that it's those traits taken so far as to be toxic . but i guess was as to be toxic. but i guess was that what saw on the show of a. isuppose that what saw on the show of a. i suppose what i'm asking is ganging up. is that a naturally feminine trait or is it just a bad trait? it's a bad trait. i would i would never try and label any particular sex, for example, of having certain bad traits . because, again, when traits. because, again, when you're looking things, you have to look at what the individual person is going through and also the individual who is actually committing any type of abuse against them. and if you put label shoes on, actually, you start move away about thinking about what that individual actually needs. so labels aren't good. so we should in some ways pay good. so we should in some ways pay less attention. the person doing it and more of the effect it has on the victim . is that it has on the victim. is that okay too? are we saying victim was that a word? that's yeah. well in those occasions, yeah. there would be a victim when

people come out of the and start to move on with their lives when they become a survivor. but yes, we need to always focus on the victims. i mean, that that is where the focus on these issues has to be. we are living in has to be. but we are living in a year when the response to this on tv was loads of newspapers saying that behaviour was they may used the phrase that may have used the phrase that we've disproved , but at we've just disproved, but at least it was called out. are we in a better place in of in a better place in terms of deaung in a better place in terms of dealing these , you know, if dealing with these, you know, if bad things happen to men, are we less likely to receive the message why the phrase is the message of why the phrase is the man show up about it, man up the show up about it, those kind of things. it's getting. but we're a long way behind. you know, you get behind. you know, you still get issues men issues where, for example, men are ignored. we looked at figures this a rough figures this week in a rough sleepers about 17 out of 20 men who sleep rough are people you sleep rough are men. but when it came to the reporting of that issue , the word men was hardly issue, the word men was hardly mentioned. you got three quarters of people take their own lives. some men, boys and

behind girls. every single stage of education. so more people, the general public , are more the general public, are more aware of these issues . but aware of these issues. but politicians , the people who run politicians, the people who run westminster from whitehall, politicians, the people who run westminster from whitehall , for westminster from whitehall, for example, not doing enough to sort out issues which affect men. it'sjust sort out issues which affect men. it's just seem to ignore them. and our view certainly my view is that that's because they're men rather than actually they're men rather than actually they're issues that don't want to be. so why is that? and why having the word men in a sentence would elicit a different response from someone? well would start to well i think it would start to trigger the fact that these types of issues really do affect men, because at the moment, when they're discussed , they people they're discussed, they people are thinking, well there's are not thinking, well there's so many of these men who have got problems. we've got kind of narrative, i suppose, society narrative, i suppose, in society , but basically have , but basically women have problems. men are problem boys. and therefore that those problems that men do face seem to get swept under under the carpet when it comes to actually politicians talking about those issues, government action . and issues, government action. and

also public bodies really taking issues which really are concerning men at the moment, we are not doing anything to resolve the fact the boys are behind girls at every stage of education. should we had 20,000 more men die of covid than women. there is in a men's health strategy. there is a women's health strategy which is good , and also all victims of good, and also all victims of domestic abuse or male victims are actually called victims of violence against women and girls. so the government announced some big measures a couple of weeks ago on domestic abuse and they just about it. so it's an issue that affects women and girls. right. so are you saying we need specific pointed help for men or we just need to widen the help to include men rather than for some reason exclude them? yes. we need to widen the help . but there are widen the help. but there are some issues where in some ways you can tackle things which actually particularly help men. so that's why charities like ours and others, which are domestic abuse charities and we support men that obviously we

want charities to support women because sometimes there are particular barriers in issues that affect men, which are different to those that affect . different to those that affect. is it good to have things like this happen on tv then it raises the profile you say here today because of some nastiness on love island? oh, absolutely. because what it means is that the public are far more aware about issues like this affecting men . we will see more calls come men. we will see more calls come our helpline and other charities will do. and also it will. my men feel that there more likely to be believed and then come forward to the police or friends and family and others . so, you and family and others. so, you know, in the round the spotlight on these issues is a good thing . but at the same time, you have the newspapers having those headunes the newspapers having those headlines calling out that behaviour is bad, maybe using the phrase toxic femininity , but the phrase toxic femininity, but the phrase toxic femininity, but the help you're after seems to be more policy based or at least changing the way that these things are dealt with through politics because it seems to be

skewed and you want it more fair. is that going to happen? because we're going to have all the people saying, oh, men can talk about things now. but at the same if domestic abuse the same time, if domestic abuse is called violence is simply called violence against and girls, against women and girls, it's you're going shut you're still going to be shut down as man that well, in down as a man that well, in terms of local services is great local services for male victims and local police forces. so this is an issue and national level which really needs to change. and men's men's wellbeing issues needs to be higher up. the political gender agenda now than they've ever been before because they've ever been before because the issues getting worse for men and that being ignored and we need change at a national level. okay. thank you very much for that. that's marc. the record of a man this now an itv spokesperson gave us a statement and said there is a welfare team solely dedicated to the islanders both during the show and after, and all of the islanders are therefore fully supported by the professional on

site by their friends . the site and by their friends. the villa after the break on free speech nation have teachers totally lost control of their students ? don't go away . when students? don't go away. when people .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation it seems pupils are following their teachers lead in striking from a lesson or two. reportedly it's a school in oxfordshire. pupils demonstrate in opposition to the introduction of gender neutral uniforms . meanwhile, in uniforms. meanwhile, in merseyside , pupils protested merseyside, pupils protested against skirt length inspections and even in leafy cornwall when children flipped tables and chanted while shaking fences over the introduction of stricter rules on toilet breaks. the rebellion is being widely circulated on tiktok. joining me to explain why it's going on is

the head of education and cultural policy exchange . joanne cultural policy exchange. joanne williams, thank you for joining me. what's going on? and i mean this just a tick tock thing. are we seeing a massive problem with protesting kids ? i think it's protesting kids? i think it's actually both. i think children are protesting in schools up and down the country. it's far more than a handful of schools right now, but it's also something that they are circulating on tiktok and it's becoming a bit of a craze. it seems and these aren't just strikes, as you or i might understand the word . but might understand the word. but but in some instances , it seems but in some instances, it seems more akin to too many riots with urine being thrown around , urine being thrown around, overturned children and organising stampedes out of corridors and, you know, you don't want to overreact. you don't want to overreact. you don't want to cause a panic about these things. but i think it does seem to me to be a sign

that that teachers in suburbs go suddenly are have lost control of what's going if children of what's going on. if children are behaving in that way. obviously, on one level, great that they can organise anything but i mean, what do schools do to get control back? because i remember being at school and we never would have away with never would have got away with that. the difference? that. so what's the difference? well, think one thing is well, i think one thing is actually the robot actually to look at the robot adults applying nowadays and encouraging of encouraging this kind of behaviour . encouraging this kind of behaviour. so most famous behaviour. so the most famous example i can think of is brett attenberg. when she organised the school strikes for climate change. many head teachers seemed to take it upon themselves to write letters home to parents, essentially saying that we think this is an important issue and if your child does decide to take the day off, well hey, that's fine with us. and almost to the point where they took on the air of a school trip, in some instances , school trip, in some instances, as with teachers helping children kind of draw the placards. so i think children have seen that this is an accepted thing to do. if you're

got something you want to protest about , then missing protest about, then missing lessons is an acceptable way to behave. a few years before that, we had parents putting even the youngest children out of schools because they didn't like the form of assessment that was taking place . i think that's taking place. i think that's a terrible message to send to young children. if you don't like being taught, if you don't like being taught, if you don't like having a to do, then you just take the day off a bone coughing is okay. your mum thinks it's alright and i think children also at the moment are clearly seeing their own teachers on strike outside schools and much of that seems to me too to have the air of a social media publicity stunt more than a kind of picture to make your case to people who might be walking past. but i take the point that maybe slowly the children have been taught a lesson about protesting, but as soon as one of them first some yeah soon as one of them first some year. and i think you'd probably change youtube and tell them to stop. why does that moment not

count? know no, think it count? know no, i think it absolutely does . and this is why absolutely does. and this is why teachers have completely lost control. i think the control. but i think the important when you you important point is when you you go so far in saying this is okay , this is okay, and if you have a problem you know, we'll listen to you , but we'll act on to you, but we'll act on whatever you say. it then becomes very difficult to demarcate that point at which you're going to say, stop. i mean, i think there's all kinds of reasons here. i mean, for a long time now, many schools have had to describe as non—existent behavioural policies or very soft, very lenient behavioural policies where. the emphasis on is on trying to understand what the child is trying to tell you when they behave badly , rather when they behave badly, rather than just saying stop it, when they behave badly, rather than just saying stop it , that's than just saying stop it, that's not acceptable. sit down, shut up. listen to me . you know that up. listen to me. you know that that kind of thing, which i would suggest would be properly behaviour, it if by a teacher , behaviour, it if by a teacher, if you're faced with a child who's being completely out of order , is seen as being order, is seen as being authority area and kind of might

damage the child's mental health much better to be all kind of touchy feely nice about not touchy feely nice about not touchy feely nice about not touchy feely that's to all inappropriate things but i think you know you should be kind to nice and listen to the child rather than just telling them you know, for i'm i'm telling you know, for i'm i'm telling you to sit down and the end of it. so i think that kind of behaviour policy's been place behaviour policy's been in place a long time and obviously we've had lockdown, two of had lockdown, two years of lockdown closed lockdown with schools closed often for long periods of time . often for long periods of time. many children have come back to the classroom. at one point there was talk of 100,000 ghost children who just disappeared from rows . obviously if from rows. obviously if teachers, schools are not authoritative enough to even get children into the classroom in the first place, again, it calls into question their behaviour actually enforce discipline. once children are there. okay we can see some video now of one of the protests that was on tiktok . i mean, it's easy for us to talk about these recent causes, but is there a more gradual graph to plots about behaviour

and discipline in schools ? oh, and discipline in schools? oh, absolutely . i and discipline in schools? oh, absolutely. i mean, i was a teacher myself . i'm 20 years ago teacher myself. i'm 20 years ago now . i know a huge teacher myself. i'm 20 years ago now. i know a huge problems teacher myself. i'm 20 years ago now . i know a huge problems with now. i know a huge problems with behaviour in some schools then and although the policy is about kind of not discipline children who would behave badly but trying to psychologically understand what was causing that behaviour . i understand what was causing that behaviour. i mean suddenly those kind of ideas were really coming to the fore even at that point and other things that really undermined the authority of the teacher. i think it's been a long time since teachers have thought that when they go into the classroom, they can be fully authoritative . so i think all of authoritative. so i think all of these things mount up. know, these things mount up. you know, i think some of the rules i do think some of the rules that are being enforced around toilets , that they are quite toilets, that they are quite great. i if i was a 13, 14 year old girl, i wouldn't want to have gender neutral toilets. i wouldn't want to have gender neutral school uniforms. you know. so i think some of these rules seem petty and, you

rules do seem petty and, you know, to be politically , even in know, to be politically, even in some instances . but i think the some instances. but i think the problem is teachers have not have have gone so far down the line often of being in favour of these kind of overtly political policies that again, they are then unable to have a proper conversation with parents or with children about how such things can be changed through kind of official ways, if you like, without the children have had to resort to striking . but i had to resort to striking. but i do think again in terms of what's new, i think tick tock and social media is a massive influence on this. what children are seeing that this what is are seeing that this is what is happening other schools. and happening to other schools. and then know, the then the premise, you know, the starting point becomes let's have a protest. and then let's look second, let's look for a reason to justify our protest. what do you think ? if this was what do you think? if this was children really having an issue, it would be the issue that would stop first. and then how can we get the school to change them on this particular point? okay.

thanks for that. former head of education and culture policy , education and culture policy, john williams . thank you very john williams. thank you very much. we'll turn to the panel this . show much. we'll turn to the panel this. show me. you can do both. you could have a way of being understanding of the children's and also saying stop throwing that bottle away with me. yeah, i mean, i think a lot of protests get infiltrated by a few a few and that's what that's what's happening with the urine throwing. and we're seeing we're seeing this, you know, other protest, you know, a whole protest, you know, a whole protest gets destroyed in the media's eyes, in the public's if somebody turns up waving the wrong . so. so, yeah , that's wrong. so. so, yeah, that's that's what's happening in the far right. too far left infiltrating schools and pretending to be a schoolchild to get in on this protest. no, i'm i'm saying that there's always going to protests always going to be protests attract crazy people who want to show . so you see you're always show. so you see you're always going to get some crazy people who want to show and throw some urine a swastika.

urine and wave a swastika. you're going to get few you're always going to get a few of turning up to a protest. of them turning up to a protest. you're crazy you're teaming up nicely. crazy people to shout loose . people who want to shout loose. when's your next protest ? i mean when's your next protest? i mean , like this is news. when's your next protest? i mean , like this is news . they're , like this is news. they're teenagers . they're teenagers. teenagers. they're teenagers. they're acting like a bunch of teenagers. that's what teenagers do. they're sort of in between. they in between line between an aduu they in between line between an adult and a child . and what are adult and a child. and what are we adults doing? adults are protest looks like a protest thing. it looks like a lot fun. a lot of fun. lot of fun. it is a lot of fun. i was a teenager in the early 1970s. it's hard to believe, but. was a teenager back but. but i was a teenager back then during the war. and then during the vietnam war. and we used to go to we just we used to go to moratoriums and protests. we spent half the time not in school bomb scares . school because of bomb scares. so we're in a time of tumult. you can't blame tick tock or anything. this would have happened. if there's nothing going on. okay, well , after some going on. okay, well, after some cooking videos , if you're if cooking videos, if you're if you're after some cooking videos, we found something for you and they went viral this week. don't go anywhere .

i will dedicate this part of the show to the world of social media and often the stories are threatening to cancel someone or something. first up, tick tock. the worst chinese invention since covid is here is one jab, gen z. tick tock . as i insist on gen z. tick tock. as i insist on saying i'm not z. yeah, being annoying . let's take a look. annoying. let's take a look. okay right. well, can i call you a million because you're in the show . you could see the, you show. you could see the, you know . yeah, guys, no one wants know. yeah, guys, no one wants to see, you know. well, no, i agree. you know what i know. i'll tell you, following jesus .

i'll tell you, following jesus. oh, yeah. the followers . oh, my oh, yeah. the followers. oh, my god. oh yeah. i'm going to want to see him. stop that. and what sort of fitness program is it all in my go. oh you want a it. yeah, i gets it . well then . but yeah, i gets it. well then. but enjoying that on radio, i wasn't quite sure what was happening. it was a video someone's trying to film a fitness video and guys on a park bench wouldn't move. i think call him the hero of think we call him the hero of the leo, you're taking the piece. leo, you're taking this? yeah. i mean, this is this is the sort of a repressive force of a young tech talker meeting the immovable object of some guy who doesn't care , some guy who doesn't care, beautiful to see. yeah. lewis do you enjoy his work, or you were more of a team, huh? i felt his pain. i felt his pain because he's like some old dude. the girls pay no attention to the guy. this is what happens, you know? older, we just know? men get older, we just sort become invisible and, sort of become invisible and, you know, it happens every it's

a horrible story. she got what she deserved. she should have flirted with the guy for a second. oh, look at the fellow she was. ah. oh, we got to move on before you finish the end of this well, up next, this story. well, up next, phillip schofield eating phillip schofield was eating meat itv squirrel meat. meat live on itv squirrel meat. thatis meat live on itv squirrel meat. that is , and got people talking, that is, and got people talking, which is now in my head. but the point being is it's a wild organic meat wash. you know, like i eat do venison. i, i hear you , but my god, please , it's you, but my god, please, it's so. oh, wow. so say you, chewy . so. oh, wow. so say you, chewy. so they were eating schoolmates, making doughnuts. lewis, would you like it? um as long as it's not an american squirrel , the. not an american squirrel, the. the and the great. the grey squirrel is just that. now, i know you're saying you want to eat the precious endangered red. both sets . it's local. i don't both sets. it's local. i don't like to have imported products in my diet, and i'll this. i'll say this. we need to eat meat. i

eat meat, i move more and more to a 100% raw meat and animal products you can we've actually that's c we can see your lunch. yeah it is that squirrel . that's yeah it is that squirrel. that's what i like . talk us through it. what i like. talk us through it. lewis, what were you about to eat there and then bring up straight after? that's just basically what i do is i take the eggs and i remove the yolk, not the most of the egg whites. and then i just just slice up and then i just i just slice up raw , raw steak and raw steak. raw, raw steak and raw steak. now, going to cooking is all i know. it destroys the nutrients. i saw a youtube video and i believe this to be true . it believe this to be true. it destroys the nutrients. it's way more easy to eat meat that's cooked is dehydrating, which is why you need to drink water with it. but i saw another video that said when you drink water, it's actually dehydrating. so you just go, you just freeze. i'm pretty sure drinking water isn't dehydrated. yeah yeah, yeah. that's what the scientists scientists claim. is it not true that water can dehydrate you

your skin ? well, yeah. well, your skin? well, yeah. well, i can tell you, if you drink pure water, leaches the minerals out of you . but no one's drinking of you. but no one's drinking distilled water. so right. okay. the minerals out of it. i dunno. yeah let's move on now to the part of the show where we talking through the unfiltered dilemmas . talking through the unfiltered dilemmas. our talking through the unfiltered dilemmas . our first dilemma is dilemmas. our first dilemma is from leo in west yorkshire. i recently broke up with my girlfriend and she has a compromise photo of me. she isn't the most stable person and i'm worried she might share it onune i'm worried she might share it online having to be nice to her and pretend we're still friends even though she's bonkers. what do i do? yeah. fellow name saint leo. what's your advice? i'd say yeah, don't. don't worry. but if she pulls the online, then, you know, say no, it doesn't know, you can say no, it doesn't look like that. show look like that. and then show them much better picture of it them a much better picture of it . and yeah , i mean, if she does, . and yeah, i mean, if she does, then she's committing a crime. so you can you can report to the policeman sue or for damage . policeman sue or for damage. yeah. and lose that case and the police won't do anything either . so know you this is, this is

the advice you have to be nice. you have to always maintain friendships. this is just the tip of the iceberg. but women are capable of anything . that's are capable of anything. that's only the most pro woman thing you've ever said . just you got. you've ever said. just you got. you've got to be nice. there's no harm. and there is some harm. but you don't. you've got to be nice. it's like it's like andrew tate. why is the andrew tate in prison? because some girl because see i this is one of those things where i think i really need to down this rabbit hole and never work again. well thank you for joining hole and never work again. well thank you forjoining us hole and never work again. well thank you for joining us for free speech nation. this was the week when we learnt that it's okay to air your dirty laundry in if you're from in public if you're from a broken home and every one in the uk deleted their whatsapp history. thank you to my panel. leo kearse and louis schaefer and my. and if you and to all of my. and if you want to join us live in the studio and be part of our wonderful audience, can wonderful audience, you can please dot as are our

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some clear spells. south east england time across england for a time across northern scotland and northern ireland, scotland and we'll falling we'll see temperatures falling close not below freezing close to, if not below freezing snow showers across northern scotland and eastern scotland . scotland and eastern scotland. risk of ice to start monday morning, 2 to 5 centimetres possible , even to some lower possible, even to some lower level. so cheeky conditions level. so some cheeky conditions here. first thing monday morning, elsewhere fairly cloudy, this cloud and cloudy, but this cloud and patchy rain will push southwards through day into send colder through the day into send colder air the north. this pushes air from the north. this pushes into ireland, northern into northern ireland, northern england, the midlands later on in the day so the highest in the day too. so the highest temperatures the south, nine temperatures in the south, nine or ten degrees, but turning colder the north, seven or colder from the north, seven or eight very best. first eight at the very best. first thing, but falling to three thing, but falling just to three or by the afternoon into or four by the afternoon into the evening time monday. the evening time on monday. further showers further heavy snow showers across northern scotland drifting into north—east drifting down into north—east england, metservice england, too. metservice warnings continue to be in force here. icy conditions , it's here. icy conditions, it's developing widely and then developing quite widely and then perhaps later on the early hours of tuesday morning, some rain and some patchy snow across southern parts of england. temperatures, well below freezing clear skies, freezing under the clear skies, —5 to —8, possibly even a little

lower since tuesday . an icy lower since tuesday. an icy start for many snow across northern scotland . these northern scotland. these filtering their way southwards around coastal areas into northern ireland and northern england. patchy rain and snow still possible across the seven counties. this will move away cold feeling day for everyone remaining cold over the next few days, but perhaps just signs of something a little milder by .