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life tough new strategy stop small boats crossing the channel but will it work? is it enough to ? deter those who wish to to? deter those who wish to enter illegally? we're going to be talking in the next hour to nigel farage. he'll give us his considered verdict. it turns out that matt hancock was too worried about his reputation change. official advice on covid rules. the disgraced former health secretary ignored scientific facts from chris whitty to cut covid quarantine , whitty to cut covid quarantine, instead, joking with aides on whatsapp about travellers locked up in hotels. this morning, jacob rees—mogg joins us live for a frank conversation about what happened king charles he's ianed what happened king charles he's invited harry and meghan to that coronation i mean but will they accept . so far they're refusing accept. so far they're refusing to say so. they'd been evicted, of course, from their windsor home, frogmore house. harry's done. just another bombshell . done. just another bombshell. the snooze fest interview . so is the snooze fest interview. so is there any place for the duke and duchess of sussex alongside the other working royals . don't
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other working royals. don't forget and don't forget. we want to hear from you so you can get in touch at gb news at gb views dot uk. but first we're going to get the headlines with . and get the headlines with. and andrew, thank good morning it's 930 to i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom. thousands of asylum seekers will be left permanently in limbo under a proposed government plans to tackle small boats crossing the channel. the legislation would mean those who arrive on small boats would be prevented from claiming asylum and would be banned from returning to the uk. the refugee council warns . the plans could council warns. the plans could shatter the uk's commitments under the un refugee convention to give people fair hearing regardless of their to the country. the government says it's getting a grip on illegal migrants and promised more safe routes for asylum seekers . routes for asylum seekers. police wales searching for five
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people who went missing after a night out, say they found three bodies. gwent police say two others have been taken to hospital with serious injuries. they were last in cardiff in the early hours of saturday night before being reported missing . before being reported missing. police say the vehicle they travelling in was involved in a road collision and came off the. the identities of those who died have not yet been released released . peers and employees released. peers and employees warning the prime minister's strike bill is likely in breach of the european convention on human rights. the proposals aim to ensure minimum working standards during industrial action across six sectors, including health and transport. but a report by the cross—party joint committee on human rights called on the government to reconsider the legislation . reconsider the legislation. today is expected to be the coldest day of the year, so far as freezing arctic sweeps the uk temperature hours will plummet to lows of minus three in scotland and minus two in the
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north—west and east of england today and tomorrow. the yellow warnings in place are for snow and ice. warnings in place are for snow andice.the warnings in place are for snow and ice. the met office says conditions are likely to cause some travel disruption as well as some power outages . tv, as some power outages. tv, onune as some power outages. tv, online and dab plus radio. this is gb news now is back to beth and andrew . and andrew. well, welcome back . this is to well, welcome back. this is to the point on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. still to come in the next hour, we're going to be joined gb news presenter nigel farage give his take on the lockdown files . but take on the lockdown files. but first our main story today. first to our main story today. the minister is finally the prime minister is finally announcing to ban people announcing new to ban people arriving in britain by small boats across , the channel. the boats across, the channel. the government is expected put government is expected to put forward a £3 billion plan and a bill that will enable home bill that will enable the home secretary remove anyone secretary to remove anyone using routes uk as soon as
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routes into the uk as soon as practical to a safe country. meanwhile, a human brake could be used to . stop lawyers from be used to. stop lawyers from interfering with deportation flights. well joining us in the studio for more is gb news, very own deputy political editor, tom harwood. good morning. priti patel, who's the former home secretary already said this isn't gonna work. it's interesting. there were sources close to priti patel over the weekend was putting out reservations around this, although it has to be said , although it has to be said, patel herself has rolled back a little on that this morning . so little on that this morning. so clearly some behind the scenes conversations going on there, perhaps the comments over the weekend were closer to what priti actually believes priti patel actually believes and have strong and there may have some strong arming. sure . i'm not arming. i'm not sure. i'm not one speculate, but the clear one to speculate, but the clear thing that the government is putting forward in some briefings that it's already made, although won't see the made, although we won't see the full the legislation until full of the legislation until tomorrow . this full of the legislation until tomorrow. this is about making sure that who apply or who get into the country by irregular routes, by illegal small boats and the like, that they will not
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be able to settle in this country, that they will be swiftly deported and swiftly is key here, but also not be able to return if they've been deported for a lifetime, not be to visit on holiday or claim citizen in this country and going to taken to safe countries like rwanda. and another what's the what's the other safe? we haven't managed to get one single plane rwanda since that policy was announced last summer. we haven't there is legal processes going on and although the latest round of legal battles was won by the government, this is still a very long road to go. however there are some returns agreements that the uk government has negotiated with other countries. they'll be looking to create more of those . but of course those sort of ideas that have been put forward are not yet influential in many, many countries around the world. the crucial thing that the uk government will be trying to do is not just the harsh rules for
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those who are coming here, but also speeding up the processing of those who have arrived illegally are currently over 160,000 people waiting for claims to be assessed and we think about the numbers that came across last year, 45,000 illegally. clearly, these people are waiting years and years to even have that assessment . even have that assessment. speeding that up and getting those deportations done fast , those deportations done fast, that will make the system go more rationally . and this is in more rationally. and this is in concert with also creating new legal routes, because for some people claiming asylum from some parts of the world, they feel like there's no way to get to the united kingdom legally without making these dangerous journeys. and so it's a sort of two pronged approach, making sure that there is legal way to do it . but for those that sure that there is legal way to do it. but for those that break the rules , circumvent that legal the rules, circumvent that legal way that they are dealt with properly , you not you need an
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properly, you not you need an ambulance plan for this week tom called off now. why? well i think this is all to do with the budgets, which we're expecting in just a couple weeks time. clearly there is going to be some more money found for these different public sector. so maybe a lump sum, do you think, rather than an increase in the bafic rather than an increase in the basic pay, a lump sum? well, it's a really difficult thing to judge because, of course , that judge because, of course, that happenedin judge because, of course, that happened in scotland and that did some success in cooling did have some success in cooling off strikes. the off some of those strikes. the uk has until this uk government has until this point always spoken about the 2023, 2024 pay round, whereas the unions have wanted to talk about what went on in 2020 223, backdated pay. now how do you achieve that is a big question and up until now, the government has not been wanting to talk about how to do backdated pay. however of course, £30 billion was found down the back of a sofa just a couple of weeks ago by off calculations, by the obe are higher than expected tax
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receipts and lower than expected cost of the energy price guarantee as international energy prices have come down. that money, i think , would be that money, i think, would be very, very surprise thing if it were not put forward to civil to resolving some of these employment disputes . news this employment disputes. news this morning about, stanley johnson , morning about, stanley johnson, that his son has nominated him for a knighthood. yes go on to give us the background to this. well, whenever a prime minister leaves office, they get what are called resignation honours . now called resignation honours. now for david cameron, he nominated around 60 people who could who became peers, who got knighthoods and the rest of its members . the knighthoods and the rest of its members. the same was knighthoods and the rest of its members . the same was true of members. the same was true of theresa may around 60. we are heanng theresa may around 60. we are hearing that boris johnson has nominated around 100 individuals to get these gongs . nominated around 100 individuals to get these gongs. in his resignation honours and currently they're going through a cabinet office process of making sure that they're all right and proper. and that means
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that we're getting some leaks . that we're getting some leaks. one of them, one of those hundred individuals, is the prime minister's father , who is prime minister's father, who is said to be getting a night hit. now, of course, the prime minister's father stanley johnson is a figure in his own right. he's been on i'm a celebrity he is quite often in the media tend to get you a knighthood going on. i'm a celebrity. this is this is true. i think what will likely be the cause this knighthood is cause of this knighthood is services or services to the environment or something because of something similar because of course he is he is a patron of the environment. is the conservative environment. is it boris it sustainable because boris johnson's already put his brother the house of brotherjoe in the house of lords, caused fight lords, which caused huge fight last because he stood down last time because he stood down in parliament, put in the in parliament, put him in the house because he felt house of lords because he felt guilty. his guilty. now i'm giving his brother, father, brother, his father, a knighthood. he going to give brother, his father, a kni�*sisterid. he going to give brother, his father, a kni�*sister rachele going to give brother, his father, a kni�*sister rachel somethingjive brother, his father, a kni�*sister rachel something to; his sister rachel something to be sent for the whole family. well, are four johnson well, there are four johnson siblings of stanley, siblings and of course, stanley, as as i it's is interesting as well as i it's is interesting because boris johnson's office is saying we do not comment on on resignation the process and to some extent we only taking
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what these leaks are saying at face value just to see about it doesn't it? it does. and this is this is a tricky point for boris johnson, of course, as of course, we're expecting this parliamentary investigation into whether or not he misled parliament to come about in parliament to come about in parliament in the next couple of weeks as well. this mood music around the propriety of boris johnson is certainly a challenge and if we're to believe all of this speculation that boris johnson fancies , another go at johnson fancies, another go at the top job, he might want to think about a more fulsome answers than the no comments that we're currently getting. yeah, it's just horribly out of touch with the public . a time touch with the public. a time when conservative party just when the conservative party just in the, quote , gambia of in the, quote, gambia of allegations about nepotism , the allegations about nepotism, the covid times , too, to nominate covid times, too, to nominate your father for a knighthood. people might say that david cameron nominated his hairdresser for a similar they'd be right to but it was only as
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it a tissue almost and it was i heard it was but i think i think the same problem point stands whenever prime leave office there is sort of this sort of almost silly round of gongs that are giving it out to people to them. the famous one was harold wilson and it was called the lavender because his private secretary masterful can wrote all gongs and they have all these gongs and they have all these gongs and they have all sorts weird and wonderful all sorts of weird and wonderful and it was effectively a rewarding donors in like boris's honours it sounds like it could be a rival the lavender list. well i think we will look with with great anticipation i'm not sure it's too soon because it's go it's only a matter of time. no, no, no. i'm definite on it. of course we only we've only got dnps of course we only we've only got drips and drabs so far. no, i don't want to be a part of around. thank you. you shall know. join the likes of tony blair. yeah, but then she hasn't organised year old member organised a 29 year old member of team is in there, is of his team is in there, is going to go to the house of lords. apparently he's 29. baroness kempson , ross kemp. so baroness kempson, ross kemp. so this is going to a parrot? yes
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at 29. well he is a distinguished journalist . distinguished journalist. journalist. before he went into number 10 and was that distinguished at 29. distinguish no such thing. yeah well to some extent are people who argue the house of lords is too old, too stuffy. perhaps there should be some fresh blood in there, but also goals is to close it down and think of something else . and think of something else. it's really full of some weird and, wonderful. and i go in there sometimes and i say, oh, who are you visiting? they say, no a member that how did no i'm a member that how did they here. yeah. all they get in here. yeah. all prime are as bad prime ministers are as bad eye today. prime ministers are as bad eye today . if we look back to the today. if we look back to the 1700s, of course, the house of lords of people of sort lords was full of people of sort of 19, 20. the house of of 18, 19, 20. the house of commons had a prime minister at the i wonder if he's the the age 26. i wonder if he's the first former prime minister to nominate dad, i can't nominate his dad, though i can't to to think so. yeah, nominate his dad, though i can't t
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around for that. can talk around for that. can we talk about sue just for a moment about sue gray just for a moment 7 about sue gray just for a moment ? so it's a bit of a disaster, isn't it? if people haven't caught this story over weekend, what's happened? well sue gray, the senior civil servant, has been poached by the leader of the labour party to become his chief staff. now, this hasn't happened yet. there's process that now needs to take, but there are some big, big questions about this appointment. namely, how close has sue gray been to the labour party , particularly while she party, particularly while she was carrying out that famous investigation into ? boris investigation into? boris johnson one of the things that brought him down. to what extent was she related to the labour party while this was going on? and there are big, big questions now the labour party has not yet answered in terms of when did converse ations between sue gray and sir keir starmer's team did they begin while that report was being written ? i was watching being written? i was watching george osborne talking this yesterday and he was saying that she's not a particularly party, party political person . she's
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party political person. she's not very she doesn't feel that visceral loyalty to any particular party. so that's probably okay, isn't it? but he said , but then she's now joining said, but then she's now joining the like leader of the labour party, the most overtly political appointment. and it's very rare for senior civil servant to be allowed to go straight a job that straight into a job that political. when she was political. in fact when she was in of civil service in charge of civil service ethics propriety stopped ethics and propriety stopped a woman from the number 10 honours unit going to the house of lords for a year because she said, it looked too uncomfortable . looked too uncomfortable. there's a fascinating letter in there's a fascinating letter in the today lord the times today from lord renwick, ambassador renwick, former ambassador to washington, the washington, who said the appointment and appointment is a mistake and i think he's right. and a lot of labour that, that's labour think that, tom. that's certainly seen a lot certainly true. we've seen a lot of were closer to of people that were closer to the corbyn's sphere of the sort of corbyn's sphere of labour politics saying that this is this doesn't is in proper, this doesn't pass the test, that if you're the smell test, that if you're trying offer a government of trying to offer a government of integrity and clean politics doing this with very, very murky details in terms of when these conversations began is not a good look at the very least.
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it's also a gift in isn't it? it gives boris and his people a chance to say, see the sue gray investigation was stitch up. and that's what they're saying. absolutely thank you, tom. more from you later. okay. police in wales searching for three women and two men have now found three of them dead and two seriously injured. five people reported missing after a night in cardiff over the weekend. the authorities say two of them have gone to hospital with injuries. authorities say two of them have g0|joining>spital with injuries. authorities say two of them have g0|joining us tal with injuries. authorities say two of them have g0|joining us now/ith injuries. authorities say two of them have g0|joining us now is] injuries. authorities say two of them have g0|joining us now is oururies. so joining us now is our homeland security editor, mark weiss. good morning, mark. went to bed last night. i saw this headune to bed last night. i saw this headline that these three girls were as the mother of were missing as the mother of teenagers. heart is your teenagers. your heart is your mouth. your children go out mouth. when your children go out the night out. i woke the door on a night out. i woke up this morning to say that very, very suddenly. their bodies had been found awful. yeah, an absolutely shocker. and a and really for a big question and really for the authorities here, because it's clear now that these people were lying fatally or seriously injured in that vehicle for two days. and the families , rightly, days. and the families, rightly, of those who died will probably be asking the question if they
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had been found a day or so earlier, could that have made a difference? could they have been saved? so presumably it's a car that's gone off the road. they in wales. you have a lot of country with those steep banks. the car has disappeared to other people. two young men that were in that car. they're in hospital, i believe. well, we don't know if that's the case. i think one of those in hospital is actually one of the young women. we have the all women. so we don't have the all of the identified of those injured and dead as yet. that will come out later in the day. but this group had been in newport on friday night. they've been seen in the club. we're told that they travelled in a vehicle 45 miles down to porthcawl where they were seen at a caravan park in the town before then turning around they were back in cardiff until the hours of saturday morning . then hours of saturday morning. then they headed back out of cardiff , we're told, and then just
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disappeared off the radar completely , went completely dark completely, went completely dark and no messages on social media, phone calls to family, anything like that. and of course , like that. and of course, members of their family were extra concerned, alerted to . but extra concerned, alerted to. but we know no days before actually any trace of them was found. and thatis any trace of them was found. and that is the key question. that's why gwent police , who was the why gwent police, who was the force that was alerted to these missing people initially , has missing people initially, has now referred itself to the independent office for police conduct to see whether more could have been done to try to find this vehicle in a and a more to because one of the mothers has been saying the police weren't taking her concern seriously and she was trying to say this isn't normal she doesn't just go out clubbing on the weekend and not come home for this length of time. so the mother in and drove mother got in the car and drove the trying to find them. the roads trying to find them. yeah, vehicle vehicle yeah, the vehicle the vehicle was on the or off the a48 was found on the or off the a48 just outside cardiff . it clearly
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just outside cardiff. it clearly had to some extent gone off had been to some extent gone off the road . so not, you know, had the road. so not, you know, had it been visible. members of the pubuc it been visible. members of the public have called in. however of course, this mother seeing my concerns were not taken seriously. there's all kinds of things the police can do with anpr , the automatic number plate anpr, the automatic number plate recognition cameras, normal cctv cameras. they can ping phones to get a geographical location of where those phones were. they presumably still switched on and walking because, you know , the walking because, you know, the those on board wouldn't have had time to switch the phones off. so they would have been able potentially to have had a geographic location of which they could have then begun a search because that would have showed them actually the phones not moving . it started off this not moving. it started off this location . we know just about location. we know just about anything about the condition of the two in hospital seriously injured we're told injured is what we're told and you expect that to be the you would expect that to be the case if they've been lying out in open subzero in the open in subzero temperatures the past two
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temperatures for the past two nights? and as say , the key nights? and as i say, the key question the families of question that the families of those who have died will have , those who have died will have, is, look, know, two days is, look, you know, two days past loved have been saved. past my loved have been saved. if the emergency services had got to them a day , almost two got to them a day, almost two days earlier. all right. thank mark. awful story now the most notorious prisoner in britain. he's called charles bronson , he's called charles bronson, you've probably heard. and there's been a film about him, will appear before a parole board as he makes his latest bid to win freedom after 49 years behind bars . to win freedom after 49 years behind bars. the inmate who became renowned his violence in prison becomes the second person in uk legal history to have his case heard in public. well, joining us for more is gb news london reporter lisa hartle. good morning, lisa. what more do we know and is he going to actually he's going to actually appearin. actually he's going to actually appear in . self no he's going to appear in. self no he's going to be appearing via video link from prison . so he won't be here prison. so he won't be here actually himself himself . but he actually himself himself. but he was originally given a seven
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year sentence for armed robbery over time that sentence has been increased after several different violent episodes in prison. whether been against other inmates or staff . prison. whether been against other inmates or staff. in prison. whether been against other inmates or staff . in 1999, other inmates or staff. in 1999, he held an art teacher, hostage for two days in a whole prison , for two days in a whole prison, and whilst he didn't physically harm him, the teacher was left so traumatised, never been able to to work. but he's so. to return to work. but he's so. he's had many parole bids in the past. they've all been turned down because of his violent behaviour in prison. his lawyers are going to argue that it's eight since last eight years since his last conviction years since conviction and four years since he displayed any of the signs of violence. the parole board will be hearing from all i'm hearing all of the different things that bronson has done over the years, heanng bronson has done over the years, hearing from that he works hearing from staff that he works with in prison and also hearing from bronson himself, his currently assessed as a medium to staff and inmates , but still to staff and inmates, but still a category. a prisoner held. it would help prison . and milton would help prison. and milton keynes at the hearing is expected to last three days. and a decision made in two weeks.
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thank you so much, lisa, we will keep you posted with that. of course, here on gb news island. reporter lisa hartzell there . i reporter lisa hartzell there. i saw that film on on tom hardy. it was horrible. he's a really repulsive, monstrous person . not repulsive, monstrous person. not tom hardy that mr. miyagi . but tom hardy that mr. miyagi. but just to be clear, charles, he was played by tom hardy. he was played by tom hardy and he got into character very well. but i mean, he's just just violent. yeah i i sort it's yeah yeah. i mean, i sort it's very naive, perhaps, but i sort of the authorities at this point to whether people should be to know whether people should be allowed or only they can allowed out or only they can know. i guess i'm not sure i would trust and i rememberjohn worboys, they helped the taxi rapist. let out. rapist. they will let him out. yeah. it a there was yeah. and it was a there was a backlash . people raised money backlash. people raised money and was a judicial review and there was a judicial review and there was a judicial review and blocked. carrie jock and it was blocked. carrie jock carrie was, of course, carrie johnson was, of course, involved that. he was one of involved in that. he was one of her victims . carrie johnson her victims. carrie johnson yeah, in his cab. bobby yeah, she in his cab. bobby still says, yeah was drugged by him . she doesn't think he him. she doesn't think he actually assaulted , but she actually assaulted, but she waived her right to anonymity to
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take on to make sure he did take him on to make sure he did not know that. yeah, yeah. let us know what you think about all the stories we're talking about today. gb views. gb news. dot uk and we've got jacob rees—mogg still to come on the show this morning. nigel farage is going to be popping in here as well. and david davis. david davis, former secretary, former brexit secretary, he'll have to say, of have quite a lot to say, of course, about the winds, the framework, the new deal book put forward by and talking of windsor, which is to be something where whether prince harry and meghan markle will accept to accept the invitation to charles's coronation . we'll see charles's coronation. we'll see in a minute . charles's coronation. we'll see in a minute. hello charles's coronation. we'll see in a minute . hello there. charles's coronation. we'll see in a minute. hello there. i'm greg hurst. welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office . the week ahead. well, office. the week ahead. well, it's looking cold for many of us. we will see some snow, particularly in the north, but quite widely frost and ice . so quite widely frost and ice. so looking at the bigger picture, we normally winds being we have normally winds being introduced arctic right introduced from the arctic right across so it feel across the uk. so it will feel cold next few days with cold over the next few days with the risk of snow in places too. this morning it is a chilly
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start across many areas . quite a start across many areas. quite a lot of class of showery outbreaks of rain across england and wales . outbreaks of rain across england and wales. sunny outbreaks of rain across england and wales . sunny spells and wales. sunny spells elsewhere , but already snow elsewhere, but already snow showers moving across parts of scotland met warning for snow and ice. scotland met warning for snow andice.so scotland met warning for snow and ice. so some cheeky travelling conditions over the next few days here. cold feeling afternoon, particularly across the half of the uk here temperatures struggling 2 to 5 celsius further south, 7 to 9, perhaps ten in the far south of england initially, but even here, temperatures will slipping away later on into the evening time under the clearer skies, temperatures quickly falling below freezing this evening further snow showers across scotland , northern ireland and scotland, northern ireland and north—east england, too. the risk of some patchy rain and snow also moving into southern parts of wales, southern england but there's a bit of uncertainty this as do stay tuned to the forecast temperatures widely below freezing so some icy stretches to us into tuesday morning early rain and snow
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across seven counties should start to push away elsewhere. cold as sunny , frosty, icy, cold as sunny, frosty, icy, start to the day further snow showers through tuesday across northern scotland into northern ireland and northeast england . ireland and northeast england. but plenty of sunny spells to . but plenty of sunny spells to. and with that northerly wind, it will be a cold feeling day for everyone. 2 to celsius everyone. 2 to 5 celsius generally for many over the next few days. it does stay very chilly. we will continue to see the risk of snow, particularly across northern and eastern parts of the uk. there are signs , as we get to friday, just start turn little bit less start to turn a little bit less cold well . a start to cold as well. a system start to move from the atlantic i'll move in from the atlantic i'll see again soon. i'm jacob see you again soon. i'm jacob rees—mogg , the member of rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset , a parliament for north east somerset, a former government minister. years walked the minister. for years walked the corridors of power in westminster and the city of london i campaigned in the london. i campaigned in the largest democratic vote in ireland story. i know this country has so much to be proud of. we need to have the arguments to on how we make it better. wisdom of the nation better. the wisdom of the nation is its. populi. vox is in its. vox populi. vox that's why i'm joining the
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very good morning. it's 10:00 very good morning. it's10:00 on monday, the 6th of march. this is to the point with andrew pierce. i'm bev turner. coming up , those illegal migrants up, those illegal migrants banned from the uk for life rishi sunak tough new strategy to stop small boats crossing the channel to stop small boats crossing the channel, but will it work? we're going to be to talking nigel farage to get his reaction. also, david davis, the former brexit secretary. it turns out that matt hancock was too worried about his reputation to change official advice on covid rules . the disgraced former rules. the disgraced former health secretary ignored scientific facts and chris whitty to cut covid quarantine , whitty to cut covid quarantine, instead, joking with aides on whatsapp about travellers being locked up in hotels. this morning, jacob rees—mogg joins us live for a frank conversation on what happened and the carnage in king charles has invited harry and meghan. of course he has. but they've refused to say so far if they're going to turn up. we know they've been evicted
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from their windsor home and harry's snooze harry's done yet another snooze fest interview. so is there any place for the duke and duchess of netflix alongside the working royals . all of that and a lot royals. all of that and a lot more. send us your views as well , vaiews@gbnews.uk. but first of all, here is the news with tamsin roberts . there. thank you tamsin roberts. there. thank you and good morning. from the gb newsroom, it's 10:01. thousands newsroom, it's10:01. thousands of asylum seekers will be left permanently in limbo under new proposed government plans to tackle small boats crossing the channel the new legislation would mean those who arrive on boats would be prevented from claiming asylum and would be banned from returning to the uk. the refugee council has warned the plans could shatter the uk's commitments under the un refugee convention . to give people convention. to give people a fair hearing regardless of their
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route to the country , the route to the country, the government says it's getting a grip on illegal migration and promised more safe routes for asylum seekers. immigration lawyer skylar mackey says there will be challenges with the new legislation . individuals must legislation. individuals must not be left in limbo while waiting for third countries to agree to admit them. so we could potentially see issues here with uk arrives being left in limbo , uk arrives being left in limbo, waiting for safe third countries to admit them . it's a positive to admit them. it's a positive step forward on the prime minister's part. he's committed to clearing the initial asylum decision backlog , but it's decision backlog, but it's potentially going to be very problematic because it may very well be incompatible with international laws . police in international laws. police in wales searching for five people who went missing after a night out say they found three bodies. gwent police say two people have been taken to hospital with serious injuries. they were last seen in cardiff in the early hours of saturday night before
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being reported missing. police also say the vehicle they were travelling in was involved in a collision . the identities of collision. the identities of those who have died have not yet been confirmed . head of news at been confirmed. head of news at wales online, karen jones says it was out of character for the group to go off grid. last seen in the sun aydin area of the city in the early hours of saturday morning, then from about 2 am. on saturday. there's just no further contacts, no social media activity, no correspondence with family, friends, loved ones. and obviously over the weekend, those family and friends and loved ones have been understandably very, very concerned. it's entirely out of character, they say. so for these five people to kind of go entirely off grid, if you like , entirely off grid, if you like, piers and mps are warning the prime minister's strike bill is likely in breach of the european convention on human rights. the proposal is aimed to ensure minimum working standards during industrial action across six sectors, including health and transport. boxer report by the
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cross—party joint committee on human rights has called on the government to reconsider the legislation . the warning comes legislation. the warning comes as the unite union has called off the latest upcoming ambulance strikes in england in order to hold pay talks with the government. the industrial action had been due to take place today and wednesday . place today and wednesday. former met police officer wayne cousins will be sent later today for indecent exposure. the 50 year old is already serving a whole life sentence for the murder of marketing executive sarah everard in 2021. he'll be sentenced today for three incidents of flashing , which incidents of flashing, which took place before he killed ms. everard, to which he pleaded guilty last month . boris johnson guilty last month. boris johnson has reportedly put his father forward for a knighthood as part of his resignation. honours list. the times newspaper reports stanley johnson has been nominated for the honour. the appointment raises questions after the former prime minister's nominated his brother
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joe johnson, for a period in 2020. but the science secretary michelle donelan clay, called the claims speculation and said there were bigger fish to fry . there were bigger fish to fry. the duke and duchess of sussex have received an official invitation to king charles's coronation . it's understood coronation. it's understood they've been in email correspondence with the king's office over whether they will attend or not, following the release of prince harry's controversial memoir, spare. it's been unclear whether or not the couple would be invited to the couple would be invited to the ceremony. the coronation will take place at westminster abbey on the 6th of may . novak abbey on the 6th of may. novak djokovic has been forced to withdraw from the indian wells tennis tournament in california after failing to get special permission to enter the united states due to his vaccination status . international visitors status. international visitors are required to have received two jabs against coronavirus. but the world number one is on vaccinated . the country's vaccinated. the country's restrictions are due to end next month, and the tennis star had
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been hoping for a special exemption as the tournament starts on wednesday . today is starts on wednesday. today is expected to be the coldest day of the year so far as freezing arctic air sweeps. the uk . arctic air sweeps. the uk. temperatures will plummet to lows of minus three and scots earned a minus two with the northwest and east of england today and tomorrow . the yellow today and tomorrow. the yellow warnings in place are also for snow and ice . the met office snow and ice. the met office says the conditions are likely to cause some travel disruption as well as some power outages. this is gb news. more for me shortly. now, though, it's back to andrew and beth . to andrew and beth. still to come this morning, we will be joined live in the studio with jacob rees—mogg to speak about everything from sue gray to matt hancock to boris johnson's stanley. johnson's dad, stanley. apparently , too. apparently being knighted, too. to story today, of
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to our main story today, of course , the prime minister is course, the prime minister is set announce if we can get it set to announce if we can get it as tomorrow. this big as early as tomorrow. this big plan to finally the plan now to finally kerb the fleets of small boats crossing the illegal the channel with illegal migrants. already migrants. tom, already human rights saying it's rights lawyers are saying it's unworkable. source who is close to priti patel sources goes to which we suspect is priti patel. usually a do usually is saying much the same . usually a do usually is saying much the same. is this much different in this plan to what we've heard before? well, there are some crucial differences , are some crucial differences, mainly in the big thing that will be trumpeted by the government will be this lifetime ban on people who arrive by illegal means into the country from from being able to do so again. these there are going to be swifter processing and deportations to countries whereby we have agreements . so whereby we have agreements. so the most notable one is rwanda, although that scheme has not got off the ground yet, the government is still pursuing it in courts, but also of in the courts, but also of course the uk has returns agreements with countries like
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albania . so being able to albania. so being able to expedite that process of getting people out . and then a lifetime people out. and then a lifetime ban on people who have been deported from even visiting the country again or trying to gain citizenship. the processing will. why? why hasn't it been swift before ? it is remarkable. swift before? it is remarkable. the backlog that we have in the system, 160,000 individuals. now, given that we had 45,000 people arriving illegally last yean people arriving illegally last year, and that was a record high itself. it gives us a sense of how many years sometimes people have been awaiting processing and when people are awaiting processing one way or the other, they are living off taxpayer money because there's this statutory ban on people from working or supporting themselves that while they're awaiting their claim , that means that their claim, that means that we've got an enormous hotel bill. millions spent every day, and of course, all the rest of it. so it is a big problem . but it. so it is a big problem. but of course the prime minister has promised to slash that backlog. that's something that is being
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worked through at the moment. the government has already announced a couple of things to speed that process, ditching speed up that process, ditching in—person and interviews for some of those people with the highest success rate countries and clearly this is high on the government's agenda. it's one of the prime minister's top five priorities. if the government don't get this right, if the numbers continue to rise , if the numbers continue to rise, if the government looks like it's lost control of this crucial route into the country , it's very into the country, it's very unlikely that the conservative party could come anywhere close to winning. i think what the crux of it and that was the story last week tom was taking away in—person interviews and said, you did ten page application and that's about five countries with a majority of people. about 95% of them will get the green light from these particular five countries. that's about 12,000 people, which number of which is a huge number of people. it doesn't really people. but it doesn't really start problem in start to solve the problem in any or form because any way, shape or form because i'm saying. we should i'm just saying. but we should bnngin i'm just saying. but we should bring in a lawyer, haji singh bengaus bring in a lawyer, haji singh
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bengalis also here this morning when you're listening this when you're listening to this plan, what is what is plan, hijab, what is what is your take on it as an immigration lawyer? where are the defences going to be that they're going to have to jump over? right. okay. so the problem seems to be the small bugs , there's nothing it to bugs, there's nothing in it to tackle small boats. so it's tackle the small boats. so it's about a deterrent policy . you're about a deterrent policy. you're hoping you can people hoping that you can deter people who are beings who are paying to come by gangs and not come over by gangs and not actually talking about the gangs stopping again. it's almost akin to we're going to punish to saying we're going to punish the users hope that the drug users and hope that drug dealing stops. but the gangs have got to be stopped. so and these gangs on you, they've been using the same route. we know where they come from. you know where they come from. you know they from. they know where they come from. they come the traffic come from calais and the traffic to coast of kent. so they're to the coast of kent. so they're trying years and we can't trying two years and we can't catch gangs. so prime catch these gangs. so the prime minister is to see macron, minister is going to see macron, the french president on friday. he's going france is he's going to france and this is going be talked about. you going to be talked about. you have no confidence that's going to at all. at all. to be none at all. none at all. this is just pandering to the pubuc this is just pandering to the public and
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public promise and selling a dream the public and the dream to the public and the viewers. we know not viewers. and we know it's not going to the logic then is going to work. the logic then is in a long term, a longer term process, doesn't have process, it doesn't have long. the to be at the election is going to be at some point next year and a longer term process of the message out the human message gets out via the human traffickers to the people that are over, well, i can are bringing over, well, i can take boat, but you're take you on the boat, but you're never to be allowed never going to be allowed to stay. and never going to stay. and you're never going to be to go back and apply be allowed to go back and apply for status to be here. for the full status to be here. again, that's the logic behind it of it being a it in terms of it being a deterrence. when it like deterrence. when you put it like that, it does seem rather ludicrous. well, guess unless ludicrous. well, i guess unless they people won't get in they think people won't get in they think people won't get in the i think they get the boats, i think when they get there, could end being there, they could end up being deported to a safe country. now, we know rwanda's nothing's happened sunak happened there, but rishi sunak is about other safe is talking about other safe countries. maybe going countries. maybe they're going to those when to reveal those tomorrow when the talks to the the home secretary talks to the house need be house where they need to be loud. currently, about loud. currently, there's about 6 to yeah we've return to 8. yeah we've got return agreements. can't just pick agreements. you can't just pick up and dump them in up people and dump them in countries. the country has to accept them. so why would countries accept them? of countries accept them? first of all, where's incentive for all, where's the incentive for that? have to spend
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that? we'd have to spend billions . already sent billions. we've already sent millions rwanda for this for millions to rwanda for this for 200 spaces. and in a leaked home office document office internal document yesterday, the home office, despite winning the case of admitted that they're not going to a flight before march to be a flight before march 2024. so that's because people like you are not stopping these flights. but if you want you brandishing your human rights, human rights lawyers have been around a year. and here's the key, andrew , which a lot of key, andrew, which a lot of people don't really perhaps realise under labour in 2009 we were sending back 60,000 people a year. how that dwindled down to 5000 people in 2015 under the current government and is now less than 2000. they're coming in, they won't, they lorries, boats . however, they were boats. however, they were getting here. they were coming here illegally. they weren't coming here. so what changed? what's is the home what's changed is the home office is broken. we know that it's for purpose. every it's not fit for purpose. every year a group of mps called the home affairs select committee get together and tell us for the last ten years that this machinery not fit for the
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machinery is not fit for the purpose want to use it purpose that you want to use it for do do? we paper over for what do we do? we paper over the cracks and resell it to the pubuc the cracks and resell it to the public and say, oh, we've got we've got brand new machinery. we've got a brand new machinery. now, whole foundations now, the whole foundations of your building, is no your building, a broken is no point a new roof on it. point putting a new roof on it. and what happens. the and this is what happens. the machine, haven't got skilled machine, we haven't got skilled enough staff. we're employing x supermarket workers to decide cases. takes two years to cases. it takes two years to decide a case which a skilled person can decide . but the person can decide. but the government have failed to explain why that might explain them, why have taken out them, why they have taken out them, why they have taken out the in person interviews. they will say this going to be will say this is going to be a data tech driven revolution to send people it's not going send people home. it's not going to were having and to work. we were having and i know because i was on the scheme in 2002 and 2003 at harmondsworth, they used to be a fast track system. if an asylum seeker came in on friday, on monday he'd be detained. on monday he'd be detained. on monday they'd be interviewed on wednesday to a decision on friday, appeal would be friday, an appeal would be lodged the court was lodged and the court was actually in the detention centre. judge used sit centre. a judge used to sit there. he'd listen to the appeal in days. your whole case was
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in 15 days. your whole case was finished the 17th, 18th day finished in the 17th, 18th day you'd be sent back. but the number of migrants that have been and famine been displaced by war and famine and climate change is dramatically higher than back then. 2002, 2003. and many of then. in 2002, 2003. and many of them are ending inexorably for britain. so make your machinery better to deal with it , rather better to deal with it, rather than saying, okay , what are we than saying, okay, what are we giving up? catching the gangs we've given up? you doing a fast track system. we've given up doing face to face interviews. well, what are we actually going to do? a face to face interview is the best way to determine somebody's claim and the genuineness of that claim you're giving up all of they're selling a to the public. what that a dream to the public. what that self form is going to end up in is going to end up in a closet amnesty. what's going to everyone who's calling out that form be granted form is going to be granted asylum. and amnesty given asylum. and amnesty was given just weeks two just a few weeks ago, two 12,000. so tom, this surely 12,000. so but tom, this surely rishi sunak the home office . rishi sunak the home office. they must know this stuff that we hear from someone like haja . we hear from someone like haja. what are they playing at?
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because they've got to get this right. and if the first the first people if this is going to even be enacted in any shape or form in a year's time, it's going to be too late. whenever you ask the government about how they're to solve this they're going to solve this issue, say there not one issue, they say there is not one solution. they need to be a whole set of measures and acting in concert. so part of it is the deterrence. and we've been discussing a now, discussing that a lot now, but also part it is going after also part of it is going after the gangs. no doubt the criminal gangs. and no doubt we'll about that on we'll hear more about that on friday the prime minister friday when the prime minister goes sees mr. goes off to paris, sees mr. macron likely yet again macron and likely yet again steps up these patrols, which do stop some of the boats. but they're not as comprehensive as they're not as comprehensive as they could be, but also something that we've completely ignored conversation ignored in this conversation so far and legal routes far is the safe and legal routes that will be created for people coming from countries that currently have no routes to legally claim asylum there by people who have a legitimate claim in this country cannot do it. the legal way, feel forced to do it. the illegal way, which costs us so much more and costs
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them so much more. so more legal routes to do things properly, perhaps offshore processing of that would be another big part of it and i expect the government will say more on that as well that utilise embassies and consulates abroad. well one of big questions is why of the big questions is why don't they doing that now? and the problem is that if you open up embassy as a as a up every embassy as a as a centre, might get an centre, you might get an overwhelming number of people coming we that the coming in. we know that the problems many people problems of too many people coming our processing coming to our processing centres as things get some but as things stand to get some but if did in from they could get if we did in from they could get the application process there and embassy and say and then in the embassy and say yay nay and then in the embassy and say yay nay a form of that would yay or nay a form of that would be a very wise thing to do. we did in france for the did it in france for the ukrainian refugees coming across and in in and we had processing in in a consular us over there that seemed to work fairly well. so clearly there are ways to do this and i know the government is looking at these safe and legal routes. however of course the headline is always going to be deterrence because they be about deterrence because they think better the think that works better on the doorstep . will it work better? doorstep. will it work better?
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what might work better as a voter, but as you say, not voter, but as you say, it's not going to for those people going to work for those people who to over. how how who want to come over. how how realistic that that realistic is it that that message gets through people? message gets through to people? you're not going to be allowed to stay? i don't it will to stay? i don't think it will matter and i don't think it matters to gangs who are matters to the gangs who are selling product. they're selling a product. they're not going it a usp going to highlight it as a usp in respect. theirjob in that respect. their job or what they're to do is take what they're going to do is take money. there's money. remember there's more money. remember there's more money in people smuggling money made in people smuggling than there is in drug smuggling. you about on you always hear about a war on drugs. we've hearing about drugs. we've been hearing about it. go and get osama bin it. we can go and get osama bin laden up somewhere. we can laden holed up somewhere. we can get in get saddam hussein in a stronghold and go and put him on trial. can't these trial. we can't catch these gangs. operating from gangs. we've been operating from the that's almost the same place. that's almost like a driver like saying there's a bus driver has been driving the same bus, same route, same people 20 same route, same people for 20 years. government no years. and the government has no control . you see, your suspicion control. you see, your suspicion is that because the french police think who cares if they go across the channel, gets them out hair? i there's out of our hair? i think there's a political will to do a lack of political will to do with this. this is the hot potato, if you want to finish your career politics, you your career in politics, you take immigration job and you
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take on immigration job and you take on immigration job and you take on immigration job and you take on home office . we've take on the home office. we've seen not something seen this. it's not something people are successful at or want to no seems to have to do and no one seems to have an answer because there's no specialist knowledge on the subject. it's tom said, subject. it's like tom said, there's of things there's a combination of things that need to be done, and it's a combination of factors, the pull factors factors and factors, the push factors and the lack of legal safe routes that will make some sort of a difference. but even when we provide route, say , for provide a safe route, say, for the scheme, saw the ukrainian scheme, we saw how messed there were messed up that was. there were two there eating a two people there eating a pack of crisps who were telling people to go back to ukraine to apply ask when, apply for asylum. you ask when, how you're here, let me how while you're here, let me ask you a question from one of our viewers, brian, in new south gate this new in gate has said this new law in the planning those the planning to stop those arriving from claiming a arriving by boat from claiming a settlement, it going be settlement, is it going to be retrospect legislation? will retrospect to legislation? will it who are it apply to those who are already no, won't be already here? no, it won't be retrospective. it'll be something from new coming in. but what have to but i think what we have got to deal with to get this right deal with is to get this right is processing , deal with is to get this right is processing, making is faster processing, making decisions right. remember, 50% of are of decisions appealed are overturned by judges because
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they've made the wrong decision. the office and we've got to the home office and we've got to get our borders secure in that respect and deploy. why can't we deploy the sas or special services or mi5 to catch these gangs? surely, surely it's a simple solution. tom, one last question on this, tom. politically this is hugely important for the prime minister and the tory government because i think if they don't get it right by saying they'll be crushed deserve crushed and deserve it in the next election, labour will will vote against this and the tories will then have clear water. will then have clear blue water. they'll we're trying they'll say, look, we're trying to and labour to stop it and labour doing nothing and labour say that it's an ineffective policy, that it's just a reheated version of the nationality and borders bill that passed last year. nationality and borders bill that passed last year . the that was passed last year. the government is true to say that there are some differences , there are some differences, although clearly what the government is really trying to do here is say that this isn't a magic solution. they want to under—promise over deliver under—promise and over deliver and what they are saying , and what they are saying, politicians and what they're saying is that this is part of a multifaith hearted approach. this is one of the big strands.
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but there are lots of other strands as well . i suppose we'll strands as well. i suppose we'll have to wait for tomorrow to hearif have to wait for tomorrow to hear if they're more comprehensive on these other parts, too. yeah. okay thank you both tom harwood and hardeep singh thank you. good to singh bengal. thank you. good to see guys. now still to come, see you guys. now still to come, the uk is preparing to take over from germany leeds later from germany and leeds later mission which pushes from germany and leeds later mis borders which pushes from germany and leeds later mis borders russia. which pushes from germany and leeds later mis borders russia. but:h pushes from germany and leeds later mis borders russia. but how1shes from germany and leeds later mis borders russia. but how much the borders russia. but how much more we stretch our military more can we stretch our military in for ukraine? we'll in a support for ukraine? we'll find in a bit. and
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good morning . it's 1022. good morning . it's1022. this is good morning. it's1022. this is the point with bev turner and andrew pierce. now british pilots are set to work alongside german counterparts in a live integrate trade mission in estonia for the first time. this is, of course, as britain prepares to take over from germany to lead the nato mission in estonia, which of course borders russia . so i'm delighted borders russia. so i'm delighted to are now joined in to say that we are now joined in the studio by security expert will geddes will explain this to
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me. so at the moment, me. okay. so at the moment, we're obviously somewhat committed to the ukraine conflict as to have america and we have to partner with our partners to shine a solid and unified front. this is a new initiative which is fundamentally a saw royal air force operating alongside the estonian air force in running exercises shall we call them around the estonian borders? and this is triggered somewhat, one believes, by the concerns of putin's potential mission creep beyond ukraine into other neighbouring no toe partner countries. what are we doing that we're training them? well it's a bit of both. it's actually going to be running exercises, it's going to be controlling skies above controlling the skies above estonia and basically lacking around those areas, sending a very strong show of force to the russian forces that they should not even consider trying to encroach into those territories . so we've been there for a while or since the invasion. well, this is quite a this is a new initiative. so this has been
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kept somewhat under wraps. there has always been this ongoing debate about a no fly zone being invoked across obviously above the ukraine. the concern with that is, obviously, ukraine doesn't have enough pilots, they don't have enough aircraft, nor don't have enough aircraft, nor do we ordered, nor do we want. andrew's a bridge. he's got not enough tanks, not enough soldiers, not enough aircraft carriers, not enough air planes to put on the aircraft. so what are we doing? committing even more resources to another country. okay, so. so this is a really point. so one of really valid point. so one of the concerns that there has been right from the get go in the outset was what resource is do we have to spare? what can we offer a country like ukraine in terms of armaments, in terms of weaponry, in terms of tanks, even ? and the americans have even? and the americans have a far, far huge budget than we do. and there's been concerns , and there's been concerns, obviously, about the mod constantly cutting budgets for the british army and for various other military units. now there is always going to be that surplus there. there is always going to be an ordering process
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where some of those weapons, some of that armament will have be coming to its expiry period . be coming to its expiry period. so getting rid of so it's about getting rid of that surplus. so as as brave and as magnanimous a gesture, it might also a case of might be. it is also a case of clearing out the stores before the new orders arrive and we have this with the challenger 2 tank and people were talking very much about, oh, my goodness, we're offering that. well the challenger three is already they haven't already out. so they haven't been down there. we're been sent down there. but we're getting point exhaustion getting to a point of exhaustion . this is exhaustion . and i think this is exhaustion on a number of levels, but most especially terms of what especially in terms of what equipment to give equipment we're prepared to give and mind the problems and bearing in mind the problems we're here we're experiencing here in the united kingdom, of united kingdom, the cost of living, crisis, increasing fuel bills, are going to be bills, people are going to be asking questions, particularly within general to within the general party, to say, hang on a second, when are we to start reinvesting in we going to start reinvesting in ourselves? and why we ourselves? and why are we constantly when constantly investing when possibly afford it ? and possibly we can't afford it? and people getting to a people could be getting to a point i we love point soon. i think we love zelenskyy and we hate what's been happening ukraine, but been happening in ukraine, but people fatigued by people are getting fatigued by it they are not committed. it. they are not committed. we've spent £7 billion zelenskyy
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as far as can throw him. i as far as i can throw him. i trust him more than i trust putin. 7 billion we've given already. yeah i mean, there is this point of exhaustion. there is the original is this that the original question and the original objective mission objective was we don't want putin potentially to spread his power or invade other neighbouring countries and threaten other neighbours partners. but having said that, we're looking at the concentration obviously of the conflict within ukraine and particularly to east of particularly to the east of ukraine. so there has to be a an assessment as to the viability . assessment as to the viability. however, this new news of obviously this joint collaborative operation with estonia and with the air force has to raise questions as to is there new intelligence to lead us to believe that putin's mission is to potentially creep into those other countries ? and into those other countries? and we see evidence of that we need to see evidence of that because will round ukraine because they will round ukraine on zelenskyy was roundly recognised as being the most corrupt regime in europe until putin invaded, and that was already rumbling on for eight
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years prior. anyway, on the east of the country, wasn't it? and i'm not i think it's important to draw a distinction between the poor ukrainian people, the lives lost, the families disseminated, lies disseminated, the lies absolutely destroyed. i want to know exactly where all that money is going. i want to know. i want to know what it is. how many bombs as he bought with us? i want to know, do we have any sort of transport suggesting he's pinching you he's pinching stuff out? you i think we have to be genuine. we have to ask questions as to what what is considered to be pinching and where pinching the money and where they spending it at war they are spending it is at war in regime that was man the in a regime that was man of the air. but did you think that before putin invaded? no. i thought he a city of stand thought he was a city of stand up salesman who stand comic. up salesman who stand up comic. he president by mistake, he became president by mistake, but proved is but he's proved himself is a great leader . i but he's proved himself is a great leader. i think you've great war leader. i think you've got two points. two points. i'd love jump in on. the first of love to jump in on. the first of which think is the audit which i think is the audit trail. having in trail. and having operated in a number conflict zones around number of conflict zones around the going the world. there is always going to of money that goes to be seepage of money that goes to be seepage of money that goes to places where it perhaps shouldn't exactly . the second shouldn't exactly. the second side of it with zelenskyy . as
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side of it with zelenskyy. as much as i admire him, i think we're now into a battle of egos and this is the greatest concern we have. putin's ego on one side, we have zelenskyy ego on the other side. i've spoken to another ukrainians who another number of ukrainians who aren't biggest fans of aren't the biggest fans of zelenskyy , i the zelenskyy, and i think the concern is where does he step down? what happens when the conflict actually ends? he was zelenskyy then still be that or is to be on his world is he going to be on his world books? do you decide how books? and how do you decide how you've the you've won? because the incidents to he's got incidents keys to win, he's got to the russians every bit of to get the russians every bit of land, including the land they enjoyed 2014, by the way, in enjoyed in 2014, by the way, in crimea. i don't crimea. absolutely. and i don't think much chance think there's much chance of that, the police, the that, including the police, the donbas area, where predominantly russian people were living already you know to me already. and do you know to me so yeah. i mean, i can't help but think, well, you know, i don't know. i'm not military expert . but putin don't know. i'm not military expert. but putin said i'm expert. but when putin said i'm going in there to protect the russian people in donbas russian people in the donbas region, and that's what i want. that's all i want. part of me thought, let have the thought, just let him have the predominant question predominant the question everywhere russian everywhere they all russian speakers. will speakers. yeah, but you will both will and
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both of you will sit there and say you're incredibly naive and that's good. no, that's not very good. no, i disagree. i agree with you. i think i think the biggest challenge where the challenge is where is the concession based concession going to be based exactly? is it going to be that the russian have to be the russian forces have to be pushed the out of ukraine pushed into the out of ukraine and going to and crimea is never going to happen? agree you, happen? i agree with you, andrew. thing is , andrew. the second thing is, where stop? how where will zelenskyy stop? how much as he prepared to concede, has he allowed ego, for lack has he allowed his ego, for lack of a better words, write of a better words, to write checks he can't cash? and checks that he can't cash? and he's in position where he's now in a position where needs self. and so can fundamentally come to some agreement point and good agreement point and any good negotiation has to end up with both sides feeling that they've won something. yeah do you think he's after the nobel prize? is that cynical? oh, think that too cynical? oh, i think he's had the vogue cover, so i think that's in the pipeline. they gave that the nobel prize to obama two as to obama after two years as president. joke . yeah, president. it was a joke. yeah, i remember. yeah. the peace services peace something services to peace or something embarrassing. i think what really blood boil was really made my blood boil was when came out and he when zelenskyy came out and he said, i will not negotiate at all. will and he'd given all. i will not. and he'd given up on any sort of diplomatic
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solution. and i thought, i'm so sorry, but when we are giving you so much of our taxpayers money, you are in a position money, you are not in a position to you will not negotiate at to say you will not negotiate at all. somebody has to do it on your your ego is too your behalf. if your ego is too big do it. well, i mean, big to do it. well, i mean, that's headlines it that's the headlines it generates taking that very generates by taking that very robust strong stance. robust and strong stance. however, involved however, having been involved in the negotiation the number negotiation actions myself evil myself against somewhat evil people, you never people, i know that you never are resolute to say we will are that resolute to say we will never negotiate. i mean, even governments we don't governments who say we don't negotiate with terrorists or, you know, kidnappers , i you know, with kidnappers, i think know what goes on think we all know what goes on behind the scenes. look at the memos. even mrs. thatcher had very informal length very informal arm's length approaches ira and they approaches with the ira and they tried to murder. yeah, yeah, of course that has to be some of that whatsapp . well, have we got that whatsapp. well, have we got time? i wanted to ask will about the about say we the thinking about say we haven't it high. well let's haven't got it high. well let's come back. we all get you feel good about it in rest of the good about it in the rest of the show is over. i want to talk about whatsapp messages that about the whatsapp messages that broke over the weekend. obviously, covid broke over the weekend. otfiles;ly, covid broke over the weekend. otfiles from covid broke over the weekend. otfiles from the covid broke over the weekend. otfiles from the daily covid of files from the daily telegraph we're going be
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telegraph. we're going to be discussing with nigel discussing this with nigel farage lots more life to farage and lots more life to your morning's news becomes. in there. thanks very much. good morning. from the gb newsroom, it's 1030. thousands morning. from the gb newsroom, it's1030. thousands of asylum seekers will be left permanently in limbo under new proposed government plans to tackle small boats crossing the channel. the new legislation would mean those who arrive on boats would be prevented from claiming asylum and would be banned from returning to the uk. the refugee council has warned the plans could shatter the uk's commitments under the un refugee convention to give people a fair heanng convention to give people a fair hearing regardless of their route to the country . the route to the country. the government says it's getting a grip on illegal migration and promised more safe routes for asylum seekers . police in wales asylum seekers. police in wales searching for five people who went missing after a night out, say they found three bodies. gwent police say two people have been taken to hospital with
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serious injuries. they were last seen in cardiff in the early hours of saturday night before being reported missing. police also say the vehicle they were travelling in was involved in a collision . piers and mps collision. piers and mps are warning the prime minister's strike bill is likely in breach of the european convention on human rights. the proposals aim to ensure minimum working standards during industrial action across six actors, including health and transport, but to report by the cross—party joint committee on human rights has called on the government to reconsider the legislation . reconsider the legislation. today is expected to be the coldest day of the year so far as freezing arctic air sweeps across the uk. temperatures will plummet to lows of minus three in scotland and minus two in the northwest and east of england. that's today and tomorrow. the met office says the conditions
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this is to the point on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. so more whatsapp leaks from former health secretary matt hancock of phone were revealed over the weekend as he plotted to oust the nhs. england chief sir simon stevens before 2020 lockdown. the latest batch of messages reveal that hancock conspired with dominic cummings. remember him ? he was boris remember him? he was boris johnson's key adviser to try to get rid of simon stevens, but
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they don't reveal why the minister and number ten were planning to do so . so joining us planning to do so. so joining us now for this is gb news now for more on this is gb news presenter, nigel farage. nigel good to see you all. so glad to see that they didn't manage to put you behind bars, which is one the whatsapp messages for one of the whatsapp messages for being a pub hooligan. how did you feel when you saw that message? called message? well, i've been called many things over years, but many things over the years, but hoougans many things over the years, but hooligans brand new, so i've now got as my new twitter handle got it as my new twitter handle and very pleased to say you look amazing , isn't it? the 14 days , amazing, isn't it? the 14 days, this is the 14 day rule and the argument was and i fully in a 14 day and they say no, it could have been 13 days and 12 bouts. what we've learned this morning is that 14 days wasn't based on science . 14 days actually . chris science. 14 days actually. chris whitty ordered it to down five days or seven days. so this is matt hancock playing politics, doing his utmost to skirt the
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whole thing is great. it really is. i mean, neil very tapped into this this crowd. nigel, you will know how people are feeling about all these messages, all this still. mp these who are terrified, who are wondering what is going to come out next. what did they say? which is going to get them into trouble ? going to get them into trouble? yes, of course. i spoke to a couple over the weekend . it's couple over the weekend. it's been suggested to me that the telegraph has got enough to keep this going with . three months if this going with. three months if they want to. it seems ironic in one way that one of the most strongly conservative newspapers is putting all this out. but they've got to go on doing it. and we all know that awful lot up. you know, we're learning, you know, the things we see in this morning, how this is a win for hancock, as if the whole thing sort of thing was just some sort of universal game about who comes out with the best political reputation and i think perhaps the most damaging thing so far is the admission that they deliberately tried to terrify the population into. what does
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that say about a free society ? that say about a free society? what does it say about our culture ? we could, even in culture? we could, even in wartime , if we treat people like wartime, if we treat people like this . i wartime, if we treat people like this. i have to say wartime, if we treat people like this . i have to say the this. i have to say the conclusion i think we draw is a conservative party is simply not fit for office. it wasn't just the scaring people, nigel, was it? and that was the language they used and that put the fear of god into them. it was the way they weaponized the police to act against people. we never forget the two ladies it was sat on a bench and got a fine on a park bench and got a fine that fine eventually that fine was eventually withdrawn . but. but they under withdrawn. but. but they under strict political instructions, the were doing the job of the police were doing the job of matt hancock in enforcing these lockdown rules. many of which we now see were a waste time. well, absolutely , andrew. the police absolutely, andrew. the police knocked on my door three times dunng knocked on my door three times during 20, 23 times. you know , a during 20, 23 times. you know, a police car arrived here a couple of officers threatening me . so of officers threatening me. so i think somebody had taken a video of me out and about what was i really doing? and i just thought, what a colossal waste
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of time and money that they were to frighten me. but generally the population were from cab . i the population were from cab. i wasn't real , but on time. so the wasn't real, but on time. so the quality away in downing street really is . it really is. i can't really is. it really is. i can't think of anything in my life more about our political . i more about our political. i think it's even more than the expenses. think it's even more than the expenses . yeah and you know , expenses. yeah and you know, isabel oakeshott has come under a huge amounts of focus over weekend. so many pieces written about her, so many interviews conducted in which she is considered to be the problem. i sent her a hamper yesterday. i sent her a hamper yesterday. i sent her a hamper yesterday. i sent her a hamper to say thank you. i think she's probably in need of a drink because well, after the week she's had and, you know , because for me, she's you know, because for me, she's a hero . she's it's the greatest a hero. she's it's the greatest act of public service i've seen in lifetime. i can't lie. in my lifetime. i can't lie. that's well and good, but that's all well and good, but i don't have any private conversations with the because you may find they will appear in
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newspapers very shortly thereafter . and if you go back thereafter. and if you go back and look the previous time this happened was when she wrote a book for arron banks a handful of years ago in which our banks gave her a load of emails which by cummings it's all finished off with the guardian with some pretty tenuous links to the russian embassy . and of course, russian embassy. and of course, i was in the middle of all of that. so you just funded by russia. so all well and good it of course very important that we learn this information . but the learn this information. but the fact given that track record going back to hugh's that she's getting a bit of stick, don't be surprised by that. no, i'm not surprised by that. no, i'm not surprised by that. no, i'm not surprised by it. but especially from the media who she exposed as for land, for the as having for land, for the lies, for over two years. but nigel, you must be pleased that she's released this. surely this goes some way towards doing the job that the covid inquiry into baroness hallett simply not do. oh look, there is no question.
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there is no question that these leaks are a matter of public interest. no question about that. there is no question that us knowing all of these things is very important. i doubt any official government kovalenko diary would have given us this depth knowledge. so now those . depth knowledge. so now those. of course, i'm pleased that it's out . and you know what? we must out. and you know what? we must conclude from this? this must never be allowed to happen again. but you see what was when the coronavirus went through parliament, i think david davis and three others said we shouldn't be doing this, we shouldn't be doing this, we shouldn't be doing this, we shouldn't be getting ministers, the powers of a medical k without accountability . but we without accountability. but we know through human history , if know through human history, if you give people too much power , you give people too much power, guess what? they use it. i was just going to ask you, just finally on that night, who do you think, god forbid, there is ever another pandemic that affects country, that a affects this country, that if a government any political government of any political persuasion enforce persuasion tried to enforce a similar that the similar lockdown, that the country would go because country would go along because i think would be civil think there would be civil
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resistance . but i'll be honest, resistance. but i'll be honest, andrew , towards the end of all andrew, towards the end of all of that, i was ignoring the rules completely. you know, if laws become enemies of men, men become enemies of laws, and if they try it again, i will ignore them from day one. yes, you're quite right. millions of people would with this. we would just sign up with this. we will put a government will not put a government we've signed a world health organisation's pandemic preparedness treaty. it won't be up to our government. they will effectively then be de facto leaders of this country, and we will have to do what they say. and that's not a world want to and that's not a world i want to live i mean, there's big live in. i mean, there's a big problem here. that because problem here. isn't that because we brexit out to back we voted brexit out to get back our independence? just made our independence? you just made that joe that comment about whether joe wants go on the same day that wants to go on the same day that james dyson points out if james dyson points out that if rishi sunak signs us up to an agreement on corporation tax , we agreement on corporation tax, we take that ability away from voters and parliament. so, you know, i think we need to really almost redefine why this country voted brexit, by the way. but
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equally applies to what the government's talking today on immigration. government's talking today on immigration . we're coming here immigration. we're coming here illegally . immigration. we're coming here illegally. i'm not sure any of that actually will come to pass because of the job and other declarations . so maybe we need declarations. so maybe we need to debate once again. we actually want to be self—governing . mm all right. self—governing. mm all right. nigel farage, by the way, nigel, i would definitely come and visit you in prison and thank you . all right. thanks, nigel. you. all right. thanks, nigel. right. we've got in the in the studio, so i'm just going to come to you. liam. how are you? i'm not that weekend, and not too bad good, but let's talk about journalistic activities that will be revealed in the days to come. i can't say too much. so you to really but you didn't you spend some time with sort of brexit secretary in response to nigel that yeah oh building on what he said really. i sat down with sort of brave men. gave me her sit men. she gave me her first sit down interview as home secretary and we talked a lot about small boats. and i think her comments
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on small boats kind of got lost because she talks about lots of other things as well in which she resigned. wouldn't she resigned? kind resigned? she gave a kind of veiled threat. in that veiled threat. but in that interview was here on interview with that was here on gb you can still watch it gb news, you can still watch it on the gb news youtube channel. she was absolutely insistent with this new legislation coming through she , of course, is through which she, of course, is presenting to the house of commons. she's the minister in charge, secretary state . charge, the secretary of state. she said , we're trying to do and she said, we're trying to do and she's trying to do something which a whitehall source later described to me as pushing the legal boundaries of the law as far as it will go, what they're trying to do with this legislation within the european convention on human rights, not leaving the european convention on human rights is make it so. if arrive, they can be if people arrive, they can be immediately deported while they are appealing to the european convention in of human rights. indeed that court in strasbourg that's the legal brief so they try and overcome it immediately and immediately say, well, within hours of landing on
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british soil, they can be out the door, will certainly that have to be questioned and process and then turned around but wouldn't be allowed but they wouldn't be allowed to go hotels they wouldn't be go to hotels they wouldn't be allowed to if you like allowed to be free if you like and this is the thing because we don't have identity cards in this country because the benefit system as a universal benefit system as a universal benefit system in many ways is quite lax compared othercountries system in many ways is quite lax compared other countries . compared to other countries. people disappear. this is what happens with people who are spending their asylum. where will they go then? having their application process in that short term? sure, there will be some kind of holding, said some kind of holding centre awful phrase, i'm sure the phrase, but i'm sure the vocabulary will be will be worked on. there'll be some kind of holding centre which is secure, right. which is secure in way a hotel is an. and in the way a hotel is an. and then they will be removed from then they will be removed from the country and placed in a safe third country, be it rwanda or someone else. but the key point is british government's is the british government's trying legislation which trying to pass legislation which it other countries have it claims other countries have passed who are signatory the passed who are signatory to the aca. course, these are aca. of course, these are
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british lawyers and mps wrote this in the aftermath of this thing in the aftermath of the war. we were the second world war. we were the second world war. we were the country to it. the first country to ratify it. in 1951, the optics of leaving it, the legal establishment were absolutely ballistic. the impulse on media class to go nuts , all the more reason to do nuts, all the more reason to do so. rishi doesn't so. she's rishi sunak doesn't want leave the hhr because of want to leave the hhr because of that. they're trying to present legislation, which means you can remove people while they're asylum claims are looked at, even if they're appealing to the child. the strasbourg court with our kind of, you know, legal aid cottage industry , helping them . cottage industry, helping them. but suella braverman was absolutely insistent in this interview . leaving the ecj interview. leaving the ecj remains on the table, leaving the ecj remains on the table, she said. a two or three times and there was a kind of parallel in her mind between keeping the opfion in her mind between keeping the option to leave the aca on the table in order to get bill through the commons and ending the lords, which will massively resist that. and at the time , resist that. and at the time, this is a couple of weeks ago
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for , the government to push for, the government to push through the northern ireland protocol bill, through the lords , which allows if they , which allows them, if they want, unilateral early leave, want, a unilateral early leave, this arrangement they've this new arrangement they've made the european made with the european commission and the broader eu and rishi sunak did not go for keeping the northern ireland protocol bill there as a kind of stopgap as as a kind of threat. he didn't do that. so is he still going to leave on the table? that is the really without it political part of where we are now. this you wrote in the paper over the weekend, liam, you, as usual, have stuck your neck out. you can't just go with the crowd can you? you can't just along with the can't just go along with the crowd, you? you're the one crowd, are you? you're the one every going to every time. we're not going to have recession. wonderful have a recession. wonderful news. if makes me news. and you know, if makes me i don't know be wrong you know i'd rather be unpopular. love the maverick. i'd the father. you're maverick. i'd rather unpopular. wrong. rather be unpopular. wrong. so what i did my sunday telegraph column this weekend is i renewed my call which i first made months ago. a of people are months ago. a lot of people are jumping the bandwagon for the jumping on the bandwagon for the government to raise
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government not to raise corporate tax from 19 to 25. it's a misguided policy. even the likes of the national institute for economic and social research are the most august oldest british economic think tank . august oldest british economic think tank. it's august oldest british economic think tank . it's basically, august oldest british economic think tank. it's basically, you know, sort of annexe of the treasury, the staff won't like me for saying that, but it's very, very closely connected to why even the national institute , which do not frighten the horses, they're saying if we raise corporation tax , it will raise corporation tax, it will materially affect investment . materially affect investment. i've been saying for some months, if we raise corporation tax rather than helping to fix the public finances raising the public finances by raising money, actually cost us money, it will actually cost us money, it will actually cost us money because the impact will incentives and growth . look at incentives and growth. look at astrazeneca. they've gone to ireland. they've gone to ireland. they've gone to ireland. and he can't sit that in in the budget. who's not ireland. and he can't sit that in say in the budget. who's not ireland. and he can't sit that in say theye budget. who's not ireland. and he can't sit that in say they haven'tt. who's not ireland. and he can't sit that in say they haven't signed s not ireland. and he can't sit that in say they haven't signed on ot to say they haven't signed on the line? we're bringing the dotted line? we're bringing the dotted line? we're bringing the to britain. the factory back to britain. absolute it's not a tax cut absolute and it's not a tax cut is keeping tax where it is is keeping the tax where it is it will like a tax cut. i it will feel like a tax cut. i remember hunt his rememberjeremy hunt and his tory leadership last tory leadership campaign last when he got 20 votes. yeah, pathetic . he said he would cut
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pathetic. he said he would cut it straight. these are the cut. the corporation tax by 5. he's now going to put it he says now going to put it up. he says he it from 19 to 15. before he cut it from 19 to 15. before that, he said he wanted cut it to 12. he did in order to match the irish. but that was just part they call column because it was a fun pack call inbev as you it's of column was it's most of the column was actually saying look we're too gloomy survey gloomy there are some survey data out not gdp numbers official numbers that survey data from what's called the data out from what's called the pmi the purchasing pmi index, the purchasing managers index. very managers index. these are very detailed, authoritative surveys of bosses, not just big of company bosses, not just big corporate bosses, people running plumbing shops and retail flows. and the pmi numbers are now showing a significant uptick in business confidence because business confidence because business feels inflate is coming down. interest rates may have peaked. maybe the tories might have a brainwave and not raise corporation tax any more . this corporation tax any more. this would be the first rise in corporation tax by the way. for 50 years. yeah, for one years. unbelievable. so i actually think and i have stuck my neck out. i think we're being too
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gloomy. i the bank of gloomy. i think the bank of england's gloomy. of england's being too gloomy. of course, the living course, the cost of living crisis goes on. a lot of companies are suffering, not least bills more. least with energy bills more. but green shoots but there are some green shoots . should . good, . let's not should. good, thankfully. right still to come, we're going to be looking into more of today's biggest stories. we've got the papers a section with kevin maguire and amanda patel. see you
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in two. danny johnson, welcome back. now we're pleased to be joined by associate editor at the daily mirror, kevin maguire, and daily mail columnist amanda patel. what do you want to talk about first, andrew pierce. i think we should talk the appalling should talk about the appalling idea of boris johnson knighting his father having already put his father having already put his brother the house of lords. it's just unbelievable . i just it's just unbelievable. i just literally could not believe it . literally could not believe it. i else is he going i thought, who else is he going to more to put in there? more knighthoods than anybody else? him. just thinking him. and then i'm just thinking who got some ideas who else? kevin's got some ideas about that and i just thought , about that and i just thought, well, god he's not
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well, thank god he's not lighting of his mistresses. lighting all of his mistresses. oh, be a 200 list. it oh, it would be a 200 list. it still shameless. it is utterly shameless . what if his sister, shameless. what if his sister, rachel's going to get hurt? i don't know. she'd have to turn it down. i'm sure, but would like how it is. we turn it . and like how it is. we turn it. and it is sickening, though, because there is no reason you can come up with to give a knighthood to stanley johnson. was that that he was the prime minister's father. and then you've got to go with the fact that he is accused breaking his wife's accused of breaking his wife's nose abuse case. nose in a domestic abuse case. he's steward of sexually he's a steward of sexually assaulting, denies assaulting, which he denies a caroline nokes, a conservative mp, when she was a young woman looking to be a candidate, slapping a button look , his slapping a button look, his brother on the house of lords , brother on the house of lords, who hadn't had a stellar distinguished cabinet career. i think joe johnson even got into the and basically and the cabinet and basically and then and then he quit politics, didn't so and what didn't he? yeah. so and what possible reason can there be for stanley johnson? what was an mep or something? mp 5000 years or something? an mp 5000 years ago. i know. or something? an mp 5000 years ago. i know . and also, he ago. i know. and also, wasn't he dunng ago. i know. and also, wasn't he during lockdowns as well, going
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out very was out to his greek very was a bulgaria he was finding ways of breaking all the rules. some people might say that was rather ingenious. son is ingenious. but when your son is the prime minister, you should be following those . they're be following those. they're rather run in the family. kevin oh, in the getting oh, just run in the getting around rules. you said it around the rules. you said it was out there to, to make sure the rental property was up to standard, the rental property was up to stanaard, the rental property was up to stana different to normal? this a different to normal? because the prime minister who's who's quit is indulged a little. this to be much. this is going to be too much. and to have 100 names, and he seems to have 100 names, lots peerages cameron may lots of peerages to cameron may had about 60 i don't think blair and brown had resignation honours list so i think they didn't get the 29 year old is getting a peerage. yeah. why do you think boris johnson is now in terms of his political career down fast ? i still think that down fast? i still think that there's a chance that he'll come back, but i think that he's he's lot look, it's not my choice. i think that he's a lot of thinking. let rishi sink, let the party get completely destroyed. wait until it's rebuilt itself slightly, then come in halfway through labour's
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term. so freddie , i mean, it's term. so freddie, i mean, it's just like the freddy krueger movies where you think , oh, he's movies where you think, oh, he's got the horrors over and then he's but still he's. it's very i think that is incredibly myopic. if you are the retiring resigning prime minister and you're not going to go back into politics, you always going to be there in the periphery. but don't actually want the job again. you can't take these again. then you can't take these shame he becomes shame attacks. if he becomes prime again, says prime minister again, he says he thinks different roles apply to him. he always has shots that he absolutely believes he'll be back as prime minister. yeah, he does it's exciting. does think that. it's exciting. i he will be. but he's i think he will be. but he's served him well, always lying, be brazen , breaking the be brazen, breaking the rules and go on the bible. even hold a seat at the general election because he's facing the investigation in the first place, chaired by harriet harman, a very harman, who's not a very impartial because impartial chairman, because she's to get it. she's already going to get it. she said on the record, he's a liar and he's misled the parliament chairing parliament and she's chairing the inquiry . parliament and she's chairing the inquiry. tory dominated charity inquiry scandal. charity inquiry is a scandal. then move on, actually to then as we move on, actually to the matt hancock thing, how do
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you come out you think johnson has come out of what's the leaked of the what's the leaked messages , amanda? because in messages, amanda? because in fact he seems to be the one that occasionally is asking them, was asking the sensible question . asking the sensible question. one of them this is what we've been told all along, that that bofis been told all along, that that boris anti—lockdown boris was anti—lockdown a libertarian. yeah. you know, he does not believe in the state interfering in people's and he was against so many of these things. and turn up. things. and then we turn up. matt was the dirty rat . matt hancock was the dirty rat. actually, kevin's got a really funny in his column, but funny thing in his column, but you boris doesn't you see, boris johnson doesn't come for me in that, come off lightly for me in that, because genuinely because if you've genuinely believed you believed this, you push it, you would the minister, you would the prime minister, you had the choice. come on. he was obviously i said he was. don't obviously i said he was. i don't think spin. i think think it's about spin. i think that all had such that they all had such conflicting information. don't forget, really ill and he forget, he got really ill and he was that. he was ill before that. he was a b covid before he was hospital wise. don't think his wise. i don't think his judgement 1% read judgement was 1% can't be read out as better. kevin's joke in israel, that's kevin maguire. stay. he says it's funny for change. it's really funny. so i want you to find it in my good
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good my good voice. so it's a picture of matt hancock. i'm from i'm a celebrity. get me out of here with the toad on his head, it says the toad filmed on matt hancock said should seek a super injunction when whatsapp messages link to him is messages mean a link to him is toxic. no one wants to be linked toxic. no one wants to be linked to hancock. really could join to hancock. i really could join that, of course. yeah well, i mean, you could laugh a little bit. i mean , even if one of bit. i mean, even if one of those background ten and then. oh, well i don't know it was a bit leaden the joke actually. oh sorry . only rude . not you ignore sorry. only rude. not you ignore him saying this is my best read. it was very funny on monday. it was okay . yeah. okay. i feel was okay. yeah. okay. i feel this isn't really allowed to be frank . like people like me spent frank. like people like me spent two years being absolutely vilified, ostracised , criticised vilified, ostracised, criticised in the press, called crazy anti—vaxxers and crazy. and so it turns out, guess what? we were right all along and the only way you're right all along we were right all along in these the policy decisions were not
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based on scientific that they had access to that we did not accept the need for some lockdowns. the first one. absolutely. i was as scared as everybody else. the first one, i was washing my hands out the back of car with minimal back of the car with minimal water. mean, all insanity when water. i mean, all insanity when you look back now, second one. no. my question with these no. so my question with these with come i knew with this is how come i knew stuff they didn't know how stuff that they didn't know how there of us who knew there was some of us who knew they lying us? no. well, they were lying to us? no. well, you see the way you could see all the way through. they say they through. they would say they followed guidance followed the scientific guidance and times they would say and other times they would say they guided it. there they were guided by it. there was that contradiction. was always that contradiction. it quite quickly. it was exposed quite quickly. shortages exposed shortages in ppe quite exposed very quickly. what was happening in care work homes, the basic, the cleaning we put a protective arm around to remember protective, which which comes out the worst it is. these are whatsapp messages but we don't know what the telegraph haven't yet run what they have because they've got their own agenda and what they've written. it's an anti—lockdown. their anti—lockdown. they've run their haven't they haven't been on lockdown they haven't been on lockdown they have they have for some while now the telegraph sorry about
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now the telegraph it sorry about throughout the hancock revelations and he had his own personal political agenda that's what's become clear. yeah he would block anything that made his former decisions look bad and that's what's so cynical and awful about it she says i need to get the credit. yeah, got it. the fact that it's going to be, well i suppose to making people well i suppose to making people well if you find it safe to isolate for only a week rather than two weeks, should say than two weeks, you should say hurrah. got. yeah, we've , hurrah. we've got. yeah, we've, we've we've looked at we've discovered we've looked at the virus, how it moves now that we transmits you have to isolate half as long. that's, that's good news because he didn't want to that he thought to do that because he thought people say, well, why were people will say, well, why were you weeks before? you isolating two weeks before? quite can resent quite right. people can resent that. nevertheless, you've that. but nevertheless, you've got is news. we got to see is good news. we should been a tribe. we're should have been a tribe. we're going from days. you going down from 14 days. you have isolate two, five have got to isolate two, five days. but he thought, that days. but he thought, no, that means we were wrong means people think we were wrong in three. all in the first three. it's all about what people thought. yeah, but was also about the fact but it was also about the fact that he was absolutely high, positively the amount positively aroused by the amount of this little man,
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of power that this little man, thin skinned egomaniac , suddenly thin skinned egomaniac, suddenly felt power beyond his wildest dreams. and that that message from 20th january 2020, when one of his aides says to him offensively says, i am paraphrasing it, it happened to me a pandemic would be great for your career when he said this could move you to the next level of politics. now, don't tell me that did not have that. that man did not have that. instead making moved instead when he was making moved him a jungle, that was the him into a jungle, that was the time where the toed on. he said his ambition was always been great and his ability. yeah i mean he's always been utterly shameless. so it's always been about him, always about number one. and he's been found out now. and that's why i think you can you can say, but it was he might have been might be a stab in the back, but it's in the pubuc in the back, but it's in the public interest. quite clear. oh, i think think oh, i think i think it's wonderful. fan of wonderful. you you are a fan of the show has done this so you in support the fact we've got though yes yeah yeah yeah yeah amanda she the amanda yeah, yeah she did the right the right right thing to do. the right thing. yeah but no charge. just make it that nobody is going to trust far they. well,
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trust you as far as they. well, they shouldn't trust her in the first place because she's got form. that most form. but i think that most people who care about what happenedin people who care about what happened in covid, which is almost country, think almost all the country, think that done is actually that what she's done is actually in public's interest. what in the public's interest. what was doing, all these was not doing, given all these personal so it was like personal matters. so it was like it be it takes chance to be untouchable, right . that's the untouchable, right. that's the end first the next end of our first hour. the next few moments, we'll be looking at. so which is next plan to at. so which is the next plan to crack on channel migrants crack down on channel migrants in while? don't go in just a little while? don't go anywhere. deakin here with anywhere. alex deakin here with your latest weather updates. it's a wintry week. it's going to be a wintry week. snow across northern snow showers across northern scotland we going scotland already. we are going to further snow. of course, to see further snow. of course, other the country other parts of the country dunng other parts of the country during days. the air during the coming days. the air is coming down from the arctic this area low pressure has this area of low pressure has introduced some moisture and therefore that combination of wet and cold mean snow showers are packing in. of course, northern scotland. this weather front is mostly rain at front itself is mostly rain at stage, but some rain is likely over northern england spreading into midlands wales and into the midlands wales and pushing parts of southern pushing into parts of southern this afternoon. further north though, snow showers continue to come northern scotland and
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come in to northern scotland and as you can imagine, we do have met office yellow warnings in place. going to be a cold place. it's going to be a cold day across the north. temperatures three or temperatures only three or four celsius. on that it celsius. add on that wind and it feels much colder further south. we might get up to nine for a time. it's going to feel cold as these rain showers trickle southwards. we could southwards. and then we could start to see little start overnight to see a little bit the way of sleet and bit more in the way of sleet and snow the midlands. parts snow across the midlands. parts of southern england. of wales and southern england. further for further snow showers for northern northeast further snow showers for northern northern heast further snow showers for northern northern andt further snow showers for northern northern and eastern england and northern and eastern scotland . so again, and ice scotland. so again, snow and ice warning in place here further south. so it's more of going to be a mixture of rain and snow. but you could wake up to a covering over parts of the midlands, south wales and south—east england, snow south—east england, the snow showers things slippery. showers making things slippery. first morning, first thing in the morning, plenty on tuesday plenty of sunshine on tuesday across northwest across south scotland, northwest england in the a quite england in the south. a quite a grey day with continued mixture of rain, sleet and some snow . of rain, sleet and some snow. the snow showers also continuing across northern scotland, perhaps easing, though, for northern ireland and northeast england. another cold, warm up wherever you are, as cold day
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across the south tomorrow compared to today and as more wet weather comes into the southwest, there is then the here some snow as we go here of some snow as we go through tuesday night and into that could scoot across other southern counties during wednesday. so as i said a wintry week stays cold throughout snow possible in the south on wednesday that snow risk moving north later in the week. goodbye i'm jacob rees—mogg. the member of parliament for north east somerset and a former government minister. for years i've walked the corridors of power both the corridors of power in both westminster city of westminster and the city of london . campaigned in the london. i campaigned in the largest democratic vote in ireland i know this ireland story. i know this country has so much to be proud of. we need to have the arguments, the discussions on how it better. the how we make it better. the wisdom the nation is in its wisdom of the nation is in its people. populi. vox day. people. vox populi. vox day. that's why i'm joining the people's channel. join me monday and thursday at on gb and thursday at 8 pm. on gb news. britain's news . channel news. britain's news. channel very , very good morning. it is
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very, very good morning. it is 11:00 on monday, the 6th of march. this is to the points with me bev turner and andrew pierce illegal migrants banned from the uk for life. that's rishi sunak tough new strategy to stop those small boats crossing the channel. but is it really enough to deter those who want to enter illegally? just a moment. we going to be talking to jacob rees—mogg of this parish, of get his parish, of course, get his reaction scared of being proved wrong. now disgrace. health secretary matt hancock is accused of ignoring advice to cut covid quarantine because he was worried about his own reputation despite life. medical advice to reduce isolation. this morning, more leaked messages appear to show the government used fear and guilt to control the public . and king charles, the public. and king charles, he's invited meghan and harry to the coronation. but guess what? they're not telling us yet? whether they intend to go. they've been evicted, of course, from the house on the windsor estate. also taken estate. harry has also taken part another booze, part in yet another booze, snooze, snooze fest in do not booze list. so is there any
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place for the duke and duchess of the working of netflix along the working royals? that's . the that and royals? that's. the that and loads more to come this morning. but first of all your news with tamsin roberts. but thanks very and good morning from the gb newsroom it's 1105. thousands of asylum seekers will be left permanently in limbo under a new proposed government plans to tackle small boats . the channel. tackle small boats. the channel. the new legislation would mean those who arrive on boat to be prevented claiming asylum and to be banned from returning to the uk. the refugee council has warned the plans could shatter the uk's commitments under the un refugee convention to give people a fair hearing regardless of their route to the country . of their route to the country. the government says it's getting a grip on illegal migration and promised more safe routes for asylum seekers. immigration
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lawyer skylar mckay says there will be challenges with the new. individuals must not be left in limbo while for third countries to agree to admit them. so we could potentially see issues here with uk arrives being left in limbo waiting for safe third countries to admit them . it's countries to admit them. it's a positive step forward on the prime minister's part. he's committed to clearing the initial asylum decision backlog , but it's potentially going to be very problematic because it may very well be incompatible with international laws . police with international laws. police in wales searching for five people who went missing after a night out say they found three bodies. gwent police say two people have been taken to hospital with serious injuries. they were last seen in cardiff in the early hours of saturday night before being reported missing. police also say the vehicle they were travelling in was involved in a collision . was involved in a collision. head of news at wales online , head of news at wales online, karen jones says it was out of
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character for the group to go off grid with last seen in the sun, an area of the city in the early hours of saturday morning, then from about 2 am. on saturday. there's just no further contacts, no social media activity, no correspondence with family, friends, loved ones. and obviously over the weekend, those family and friends and loved ones have been understandably very concerned. it's entirely out of character, they say. so for these five people to kind of go entirely off grid, if you like , the off grid, if you like, the strikes bell is likely breach to the eu convention of human rights, according to some employees and peers. the proposal aimed to ensure minimum working standards during industrial action across six sectors, including health and transport. but a report by the cross—party joint committee , cross—party joint committee, human rights, has called on the government to reconsider the legislate action. the warning comes as the unite union has called off the latest upcoming ambulance strikes england in
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order to hold pay talks with the government. the industrial action had been due to place today and wednesday . for former today and wednesday. for former met police officer . cousins will met police officer. cousins will be sentenced shortly for indecent exposure . the 50 year indecent exposure. the 50 year old is already serving a whole life sentence for the murder of marketing executive sarah everard in 2021. he'll be sentenced today for three incidents of flashing before he killed ms. everard he's pleaded guilty to all counts . boris guilty to all counts. boris johnson has reportedly put his father forward for a knighthood as part of his resignation, honours . the times newspaper honours. the times newspaper report. stanley johnson has been nominated for the honour. the appointment raises after the former prime minister's nominated his brother, joe johnson for a period in 2020. but the science michelle donelan called the claims speculation and said there were bigger fish to fry . the duke and duchess of
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to fry. the duke and duchess of sussex have received an official invitation to king charles's coronation . it's understood coronation. it's understood they've been in email correspondence with the king's office over, whether they will attend or not. following the release of prince harry's controversial memoir, spare , controversial memoir, spare, it's been unclear whether or not the couple would be invited to the couple would be invited to the ceremony. the coronation will take place at westminster abbey on the of may . novak abbey on the of may. novak djokovic been forced to withdraw from indian wells tennis tournament california after failing to get special permission to enter the us due to his vaccination status. international are required to have received two jabs against coronavirus . but the world coronavirus. but the world number one is on vaccine eight as the country's restrictions are due to end next month . and are due to end next month. and the tennis star had been hoping for a special exemption as the tournament starts on wednesday . tournament starts on wednesday. arctic air is expected . bring arctic air is expected. bring snow, cold winds and icy conditions to parts the uk this
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coming week . temperatures will coming week. temperatures will plummet to lows of minus three in scotland and minus two in the northwest east of england. that's today and tomorrow, the yellow warnings in place are also for snow ice. the met office says conditions are likely to cause some travel disruption as well as power outages . this is gb news. more outages. this is gb news. more for me shortly . now it's back to for me shortly. now it's back to bev and andrew . bev and andrew. thank you, tom sleigh. now still to come in this hour, we'll be speaking to jacob rees—mogg, who'll be talking to us in the studio about sue grey's proposed move join labour. but first, move to join labour. but first, more whatsapp leaks from former health secretary . hancock's health secretary. hancock's phone have been revealed . phone have been revealed. apparently he plotted to oust the boss of nhs england, sir simon case before the 2020 lockdown. so the latest batch of text messages reveal that
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hancock conspired to stomach dominic cummings to remove stevens, but did not reveal why the minister and number ten adviser were planning this move. so joining us now from westminster is gb news is political editor darren mccaffrey free. good morning , mccaffrey free. good morning, darren. more controversy for matt hancock to deal with over the weekend. what's the fallout of latest messages being of these latest messages being down at westminster ? yeah, maybe down at westminster? yeah, maybe not a surprise when you gave 100,000 whatsapp messages to a journalist that they will find a succession of stories day after day after day. it does feel a little bit like the mp expenses scandal 15 years ago when the daily telegraph, a leaked information out or reported on it in, a quick succession and yet we are again today, as you say with a series of whatsapp messages from matt hancock they don't necessarily present them in the best light aside from what been talking about what you just been talking about and suggestions he decided to keep the kind of quarantine , if keep the kind of quarantine, if you like, if you tested positive for coronavirus up to 40 days, even when scientists were
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suggesting some of the chief scientists that actually it could be lords to a much shorter time period. now, why would the health secretary to that? because feared, says that because he feared, he says that it give the wrong it would give the wrong impression impression it would give the wrong imprthey n impression it would give the wrong imprthey simply impression it would give the wrong imprthey simply might)ression it would give the wrong imprthey simply might haveon that they simply might have things wrong in the past, he said it sounded like a said that it sounded like a massive loosening was massive loosening this was reducing quarantine time and reducing the quarantine time and that make look like that it could make look like ministers had made mistake. also tried to claim that he was in charge of the vaccines. if you like that it was all his kind of grand plan saying that's in one of these messages that everyone knows i'm mr. vaccine and this is the route out so you know it is the route out so you know it is it inside a kind of example of how politics works . we know of how politics works. we know it works by whatsapp these days. it's still quite extraordinary to the curtain pull, if you like, and see the prime texting at ministers , other officials in at ministers, other officials in the government and some the replies that came through . matt replies that came through. matt hancock though we don't really heard much from him in reaction
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to all of this, clearly he's pretty angry with isabel oakeshott for leaking all of it, though suggested, is more though she suggested, is more and crucial things and more crucial things potentially to come. but in the end, what i would say, is it hasn't really changed, i think. i don't know whether you guys agree with me on this kind of some of the fundamentals haven't really shocking really learned anything shocking new. yes, there's been a bit of colour and there we've got colour and there and we've got a little insight into some decisions . but actually decisions made. but actually some of the big controversies at the actually really , we the time actually really, we kind of knew they were happening. whether that was arguments about eat arguments about how about to eat out, was arguments out, whether that was arguments of the failings around care homes , etc, all all right. thank homes, etc, all all right. thank you, daryn darren mccaffrey interesting as well, because when the public inquiry does star all those matt hancock whatsapps, we'll all have to be part of that inquiry. it's going to i think it's going to really force people who are managing that inquiry be much perhaps that inquiry to be much perhaps more might otherwise more open. they might otherwise have you think have been. what do you think they will? will she to they will? will she have to accept the things? i think she'll have to because 100,000
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220,000 we've read about and we want she can put them in want to bet she can put them in a context, which a political context, which matt hancock have not hancock would argue have not been inappropriately. well, been put inappropriately. well, i that if she's having i would say that if she's having matt hancock's whatsapp, she also to see boris johnson also needs to see boris johnson she should see chris witty, she should balance see jonathan van—tam, a lot of them and you know, to hide. you're know, nothing to hide. you're going in know where going to see the in know where she you know well bet that's she is you know well bet that's why it will take years and years. i remember iraq years. i remember the iraq inquiry finally reported, i think in ten years after think in 2013, ten years after war in iraq and sunday, 40 years later, ridiculous . and how many later, ridiculous. and how many millions of pounds worth of taxpayers money to get that report? it just needs to you know, i think her terms of reference is now need to be completely rewritten now that we have this information, this raises other questions which she has to answer to. so the terms of reference is a very narrow andifs of reference is a very narrow and it's very much the we should have locked down harder. we should down sooner. should have locked down sooner. we more we should have more restrictions, more vaccine mandate presumably they mandate, because presumably they were position were operating from a position of scientific analysis
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of informed scientific analysis . we now know that's not true . . we now know that's not true. yeah, so lady have it change your question. she's no fool. that's good . now, coming up, the that's good. now, coming up, the government is a go. it's course. you've been hearing about this, announcing to crack down announcing a plan to crack down on migration across the on illegal migration across the channel. the government is saying they will remove people when arrive on british soil when they arrive on british soil and they will receive lifetime ban they've arrived ban if they've arrived illegally. right. rishi illegally. that's right. rishi sunak will send sunak hopes it will send a strong message deter strong message and deter migrants crossing the migrants from crossing the channel illegally . well, joining channel illegally. well, joining us former chief us now is the former chief immigration officer of the uk border kevin if border force, saunders. kevin if i can use your first name, do you is there anything really substantial new in what you've read? so far that the prime minister is planning to the commons tomorrow ? well, yes. commons tomorrow? well, yes. mean the idea that he is that we're going to detain everybody that arrives illegally for 20 days and then remove them is incredibly all that's that's that's a new one. i don't know
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how they're going to do it, but i should wait with bated breath . well, that's it. that was the next question. if that's what they're planning to do , how they're planning to do, how would they do it when they've been woefully inadequate at processing application so far? what is the backlog? 160,000 people. well, these are the people. well, these are the people we're talking about now will not be able to claim asylum if they've arrived illegally , if they've arrived illegally, they won't be allowed to claim asylum . so that's that. so it's asylum. so that's that. so it's then just question of removing them . but i don't know how, them. but i don't know how, we're going to remove them because at the moment to remove somebody , you have to have somebody, you have to have a country that's willing to take them and they have to have a travel document or passport or something like that. and of course , these people will have course, these people will have got documents . they're all at got documents. they're all at the bottom of the travel because they're told to throw them away so that we don't that proper
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names have dates of birth and where they come from. kevin all immigration human rights lawyer that was in the studio in the first hour. he was saying that there's no chance this is going to get through and it really we still need to be funding the security services in france to the human traffickers . he is the human traffickers. he is baffled as to why we can't do that. baffled as to why we can't do that . you've worked down there. that. you've worked down there. you've worked in that area. why aren't they doing that, kevin? well, they're trying very, very to do that . national crime to do that. national crime agency and the french authorities are working hard to stop the human trafficking . it stop the human trafficking. it is very, very difficult because . the traffickers always seem to be one step ahead of the authorities in in france and of course, when boats are being launched from the beaches , it's
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launched from the beaches, it's reported that the charities are acting spotters. so that if the forces of law and order are seen, then the charities are warning boat people. kevin i understand you tell me . you tell understand you tell me. you tell us. it's very difficult to get these people smuggling gangs. why is it difficult? we've got we've got interpol. we've got the french police, british police. there's a lot of interesting finding them, arresting them and banging them up. so why are they difficult to pin down? well, we believe that they are based in turkey. a lot of them are based in turkey. and in fact apparently there is one street in turkey that you could be in ankara that you can actually down. it's a bit like a travel in the uk . you go into travel in the uk. you go into whichever shop you like and book crossing and that's the big
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problem. being able to shut these down and i know that an undercover journalist went in there and it incredibly difficult and that's what we're up against it is it is difficult and also infiltrating the gangs. that's the way to do it. but of course you that's not that's easier said da. it just seems crazy . kevin, thank you so much. crazy. kevin, thank you so much. kevin saunders, former border force control . it just seems force control. it just seems crazy . if you can go to the crazy. if you can go to the street , this has got to be just street, this has got to be just about manpower and will and the numbers on, the beat. i remember interviewing an immigration minister when i was on the daily telegraph and he told me it was damian told me damian green and he told me about street in indian about this street in an indian city you could buy, get city where you could buy, get your dodgy passports. you would dodgy and i said, well , dodgy visas. and i said, well, what, you've got a great relationship with the police. why get closed why don't you get it all closed down? straightforward down? not straightforward is that are, that if they where they are, it's straightforward . those
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it's straightforward. those charities. those charities. absolutely. those charities. absolutely. those charities the beach charities that are on the beach spotting the security spotting for the security forces. are then complicit forces. they are then complicit it in anybody that drowns during that crossing. children teenagers and then they'll blame heartless people like me and. you don't think they should be crossing the channel in the first place? yeah, well , i don't first place? yeah, well, i don't think be crossing think they should be crossing the channel in the first place. but, know, it's clearly but, you know, it's clearly a mess and seems to be able mess and nobody seems to be able to it. what think to solve it. what you think gbviews@gbnews.uk . still to gbviews@gbnews.uk. still to come, could joined by the come, we could be joined by the former minister, jacob former brexit minister, jacob rees—mogg of course, rees—mogg, who is, of course, now this parish. he's going now off this parish. he's going to through labour's to talk through labour's appointment. outrageous in my view. it's worth , sue view. for what it's worth, sue gray, servant who did gray, the civil servant who did the boris johnson party gate inquiry as keir starmer was chief of staff, no less than a minute .
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pierce and bev turner new pairing from this morning. hope you're enjoying the show. we are, yeah . oh, you have a day. are, yeah. oh, you have a day. well, i, i, i am . well get that well, i, i, i am. well get that so i can arrange this. yeah. yeah. anyway, jacob rees—mogg is here. who we love. jacob rees—mogg got this parish . rees—mogg got this parish. jacob, the immigration is finally going to work. it jacob, the immigration is finally going to work . it really finally going to work. it really depends on the view that we take of the european convention on human rights, that if we pass a law, parliament is supreme, and that will be the law and it will be implied by our judges in the be implied by ourjudges in the post. baroness hale era, when the judge has got back to interpreting the law on inventing the law, which is preferable . if, however, we preferable. if, however, we still allow the supremacy of the european convention , then there european convention, then there will be a succession of legal cases and nothing much will happen until it's decided in strasbourg. well, suella braverman in that interview in the sun telegraph yesterday, i'm
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sure you read it with the liam halligan said it. nothing is off the table about the european convention. could would rishi sunak risk the opprobrium of all the human left wing lawyers and us out of it, bearing in mind the only other countries who have pulled out are countries like russia? i don't think there's a majority to do that in parliament. so even if he were willing, i doubt he would get it through. in commons. through. even in the commons. let lords i let alone, the lords what i think is a majority of four is behaving the way we did over prisoner voting rights. you may remember european said remember the european court said we allow the voting we had to allow the voting rights and we refused and. rights and we just refused and. we had votes in parliament and then after extended period we came to a compromise where if were on remand you were allowed to vote. that says some prisoners of a very small number now do votes which satisfied the court. and i think we should look at it that way. i think the full on explosive withdrawal is not a political reality. i still won't stop them challenging the laws under the will it. but if
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our law is clear right then our courts won't intervene pending anything going on. the european human rights court and we have to be clear that these injunctions is given by the european court are not valid, which is what stop the first round of flights . why are they round of flights. why are they not valid ? other countries don't not valid? other countries don't recognise them and it was a european decided to give itself this power . european decided to give itself this power. it was never given it by a treaty arrangement. okay, we've got limited time with you . you're on the telly with you. you're on the telly tonight on news. i've you tonight on gb news. i've you enjoying that? i love it. you're really good. i was surprised. i can't lie. i thought might can't lie. i thought you might be quite rubbish, but you're very, i came very, very good. i'm glad i came on morning, but it wasn't on this morning, but it wasn't much taller in real life. yeah so enormous. i had no idea television shrinks. people like tv in clearly in the chocolate factory . i seem to remember it factory. i seem to remember it was literally shot and became a very small mike tv. well, i think you were a wonderful addition to the channel. thank you. haven't escaped these whatsapp revelations do you. and
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your family also got dragged into how did you feel when there's a horrible sense to when you know that private correspondence has been given not only to somebody that you didn't send it to in the first place, but the nation . well, i place, but the nation. well, i don't if you're in don't know. i think if you're in pubuc don't know. i think if you're in public you must expect public life, you must expect things come into things about you come out into the public arena, you end up a pubuc the public arena, you end up a public life in in all ways. you can't say oh, that's private . so can't say oh, that's private. so on. i think public figures mustn't too squeamish about what's written about them. i'm very against the creeping privacy laws that we've got. actually another . thing from the actually another. thing from the human rights court courts because i believe in freedom of speech and if i've done something or i've said something, people should be entitled to reportage . and bear entitled to reportage. and bear in mind, politicians spend of their time, particularly if you look at the whatsapp things. matt hancock trying to get a good impression of themselves. it's fair that there's it's only fair that there's something pretty much printed . something pretty much printed. but come out we always but what's come out we always need. a preoccupied need. there's a preoccupied with employees in of their employees in terms of their appearance come
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appearance and how they come across to the public. but the volume was turned up on that particular ambition , that period particular ambition, that period of something which of time. it's something which exclusive to matt hancock more than the other politicians i think matt takes it to an extreme and my view in government is that if you do the right thing, if you do a good job, you will get good pr from us. and that is much more important than. painting yourself orange , as some yourself orange, as some politicians do, to try and pay good. when read these these good. when we read these these whatsapp jacob it reminds us all of how many extraordinary powers . a small group of men decided to take for themselves. it was called the quote, just remind myself michael gove the myself it was michael gove, the prime rishi prime minister, boris rishi sunak and matt hancock. parliament often had very little scrutiny . should that be allowed scrutiny. should that be allowed again? were not parliament the cabinet quite is i was in the cabinet at the time and i didn't know that chris whitty was saying that we could perfectly safely reduce the quarantining penod safely reduce the quarantining period to three days. no. otherwise i would have been
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saying well why aren't we doing this. i'm but how did you not know. i knew that like the information was there for anybody that. wanted to find it. that wasn't what was being briefed, the cabinet were getting that the decision had been made, that it was going remain or then it was finally reduce . it's under great reduce. it's under great pressure , but the excuse for pressure, but the excuse for locking people up was something that was not shared with the rest of the cabinet all the evidence. so what happens and if you fought back against that dunng you fought back against that during that period of time, if you really tried to make your voice heard to say this wrong, what we're doing here, we're going be paying the price for this. need a full cost this. we need a full cost benefit analysis. was looking benefit analysis. he was looking at of locking down the at the costs of locking down the nhs making a covid only nhs and making it a covid only service. was decided service. it was it was decided by and i think the by the court and i think the then chancellor rishi sunak was making case easing making the for case easing lockdowns . when i spoke to boris lockdowns. when i spoke to boris dunng lockdowns. when i spoke to boris during this period, i was inevitably making the case for easing lockdowns. but i wasn't
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in in the quad there were cabinet discussions . but by the cabinet discussions. but by the time we got to those discussions of the decisions had already been made. we had a pre cabinet briefing for those of us who weren't in the quad basically to tell us what had been decided, the result was apart from the issues of mental health and civil liberty, calamity this civil liberty, a calamity this impact jacob on the economy. i agree . i mean, we must never do agree. i mean, we must never do this again and that when it first started, i not in favour of emergency legislation and i was in favour of using the civil contingent size act, which has much greater parliamentary scrutiny and happens on a uk bafis scrutiny and happens on a uk basis rather than the devolved authorities that the devolved stuff was ridiculous. you couldn't you lived on the welsh border, you were at risk of going into wales and being arrested and caused great confusion . even travel confusion. even travel arrangements were separate . the arrangements were separate. the devolved authorities. it should have done a uk basis have been done a uk wide basis under the contingencies act and then it would have required very regular parliamentary votes,
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whereas we had six monthly votes to decide whether extend it or not it was myopic beyond belief that's what that's what stuns me to this day. why it was . but to this day. why it was. but there was a very strong feeling against it. i was the leader of the house of commons at the time and along with mr. speaker. we were very determined to keep open lots of people on all parties saying why are you making us take this risk? why why do you expecting people to come in and vote physically? that was huge opposition. and i was saying, look, democracy is worth taking a risk for. i pointed out that after black death parliament had been delayed. yeah we could do better than they've done . yeah. in than they've done. yeah. in whatever it is that in 48, 49. a lot more of this in your program tonight. yeah. oh yes. i expect there'll be lots more on this call. thanks nice to meet jake. right. still to come, harry and meghan invited to the meghan have been invited to the king's in may, but king's coronation in may, but will we'll out will they attend? we'll find out after morning's news with .
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after your morning's news with. tamsin bear. thank you. it's 1131. here are the headlines from the thousands . of asylum from the thousands. of asylum seekers will be left permanently in limbo under new proposed government plans to tackle small boats crossing the channel. the refugee has warned the plans could shatter the uk's commitment under the un refugee convention to give people a fair heanng convention to give people a fair hearing regardless of their route to the country. the new legislation would mean those who arrive on boats would be from claiming asylum and to be banned from returning to the uk. the government says . it's getting government says. it's getting a grip on illegal migration and promised more safe routes for asylum seekers . an investigation asylum seekers. an investigation is underway after a fatal car crash in wales that left three people dead and two seriously injured. police in wales say the group went missing after a night out on saturday. piers and employers are warning the prime minister strike bill is likely in breach of the european
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in two. welcome back to the point with burton and andrew pierce. the sussexes have been invited to charles coronation ceremony in may, but they are refusing to confirm whether they're going to be attending. they just love the drama, don't they? statement drama, don't they? a statement from they've from harry and confirms they've been the been emailed about the coronation official of coronation and an official of invitation will be sent later. so cameron walker is here to tell us more. so they've got an email , save tell us more. so they've got an email, save the tell us more. so they've got an email , save the because email, save the date, because i presume because that's not very royal, is it? your email. if i look i've been looking for a big embossed it with possibly a wax seal. kiss from camilla the seal. yeah kiss from camilla the works. they're got any of that yet? they don't, but nobody has any that my any of that yet, from my understanding, save the dates are trickle from are starting to trickle from buckingham through emails buckingham palace through emails and i'm sure other ways as well. but then the big fish or invitations, which you are talking about and not quite sure will be kept by the queen
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consort. but anyway, it does me . they'll be going out a few weeks before the itself. so actually relatively short notice. the fact that harry notice. but the fact that harry and meghan's team have decided to confirm that they are in email correspondence clearly suggests that they are very much invite . it's the fact they also invite. it's the fact they also made it very clear that harry and meghan and not decided if they are going to attend. i think speaks volumes because this of course comes off the back another statement back of another statement i received the sussexes received from the sussexes saying have asked to saying that they have asked to leave frogmore cottage the mail this morning is reporting that perhaps from frogmore cottage is being used as some kind of bargaining chip as to whether they will or will not attend the coronation . the reportedly coronation. the king reportedly for it? that's for them, isn't it? that's security issue. yeah. and that is the big thing here from harry meghan's perspective, the security of frogmore cottage is within the is perimeter within the guards is perimeter of windsor estate with police armed guards, etc. when they stood back as working members of the royal family, they lost their police their own personal police protection because they are not.
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there is some speculation that they get an in buckingham they might get an in buckingham palace. the only palace. they'd be the only royals because all moved royals because they've all moved out it's a building site, out cause it's a building site, as you know. yes. it's understood. andrew understood. prince andrew has moved apartment in moved out of that apartment in question because of the building work buckingham is work. buckingham palace is undergoing a ten year refurb payment . and reportedly payment program. and reportedly harry and meghan have been offered that to move into at the time of the coronation, which clearly would give them some security, water in heat security, some water in the heat . they've harry's . think they've got harry's fencing around the outside and a few down for them. what the best thing when he goes , harry goes thing when he goes, harry goes because it's his father . meghan because it's his father. meghan stays behind in america . stays behind in america. archie's fourth birthday. yeah, it was about . archie's fourth birthday. yeah, it was about. i'll say that. yeah, we have to remember that. it archie's fourth birthday. it is archie's fourth birthday. it is archie's fourth birthday. i imagine. of i cannot imagine. duchess of sussex want leave sussex would want to leave archie birthday, but archie on his birthday, but clearly it's a big historical occasion. the first we've occasion. the first time we've had coronation in years, we had a coronation in 70 years, we know the king still very much loves his son. prince but clearly there is a lot of public interest on whether will he or
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won't he attends . and the fair won't he attends. and the fair from buckingham palace and perhaps the king is that harry, going to be a big distraction? however, harry and meghan did attend queen's funeral. they did attend queen's funeral. they did attend the jubilee celebrations. i think perhaps they were a bit of a distraction, but didn't completely overshadow the entire thing set behind the duke and of gloucester. if they walked here that you can touch across. nobody would recognise. no, camilla could work with those. they behind working. they were behind working. anybody a working royals anybody who's a working royals would've prince would've been behind prince andrew. well, as us, the andrew. yes well, as us, the royal reports and covered answer that are here that question if they are here is that going be the first is that going to be the first thing you guys are looking. well, they it. well well, whether they make it. well are you going to be focussed on them? much? would the media them? how much? would the media focus them? all the focus on them? you all the media. lot of people always media. so a lot of people always ask do we focus so ask me that why do we focus so much duke and duchess of much on the duke and duchess of sussex harry in sussex and prince harry in particular. remains particular. the fact remains fifth in line to the throne like that. he is still a councillor states by law, so he could be asked deputise behalf of asked a deputise on behalf of the king if necessary, and he is
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the king if necessary, and he is the son, the second son of the king, who is the guy being crowned in westminster abbey? so unfortunately, there is a bit a pubuc unfortunately, there is a bit a public interest in this, whether or not it trumps the public interest of the king being crowned himself , because it's crowned himself, because it's also , isn't it? nobody also cameron, isn't it? nobody who saw the image of prince harry walking behind his mother's can ever forget mother's coffin can ever forget it the 11 year old boy it. the 11 year old boy vulnerable, heartbroken, but bravely , step by step and must bravely, step by step and must have been an incredible experience. think whole experience. and i think whole nafion experience. and i think whole nation it, took him under nation took it, took him under their wing and many people are now looking back at it, very disappointed about the way he's behaving. couldn't be disappointed, . i think a disappointed, perhaps. i think a lot of people are very sad as well. i think we've got a sense of sort of live stream. he of that sort of live stream. he took this weekend took part in this weekend speaking the therapists, speaking to the therapists, doctor little therapy doctor gave a little therapy session and broadcast live session and broadcast it live through 18 twitter thread. you don't know what we're talking about prince harry did a livestream online a counselling therapy session with with a famous kind of american psychotherapist to talk about everything to reflect upon his
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trauma , his drama and his trauma, his drama and his journey . if there is not any journey. if there is not any more private situation, i'll think of one more perhaps private situation wouldn't happen to us so. well but this is the most into merc's relationship between the therapy patient and he said , here we go patient and he said, here we go while saying, give me privacy , while saying, give me privacy, hugh, you could watch if . you hugh, you could watch if. you paid £18. yes well, £19 to get a free copy of the book. i didn't go to him did it. so well they wish he would have got the royalties from the book it this penguin random house. he set this livestream up which is the publisher prince memoir publisher prince harry's memoir in get to tickets, you in order to get to tickets, you need buy a of his book. need to buy a copy of his book. if is not monitored rising if that is not monitored rising his trauma, do not want it to his trauma, i do not want it to go united states. so he go to the united states. so he and wife their family and his wife and their family could private invading his could be private invading his privacy a vast of privacy again for a vast of money. so prince harry actually says in that live stream, because was asked his because he was asked about his critics the more critics and he said the more they criticise, the more i feel they criticise, the more i feel the need that's the need to share. that's a quote from. prince harry it was
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a lot about trauma from it a lot about the trauma from it from obviously losing from from obviously losing mother but the mother in an early age but the doctor and this is the doctor said and this is the quote from reading your book, i diagnose you with attention deficit disorder, i.e. not being diagnose you with attention deficit (concentrate not being diagnose you with attention deficit (concentrate the being able to concentrate the situations, but doing it on such a public platform . there are few a public platform. there are few mental health charity, so have voiced concerns about that, but prince harry is his own person . prince harry is his own person. he's longer a working member he's no longer a working member of to make his of the royal. he has to make his own income somehow. so perhaps this of doing lashing this is his way of doing lashing out. he's lashing out, but that's going to be his next thing now it's going to be thing now. now it's going to be all about he's going to become a campaigner deficit campaigner for attention deficit disorder. to constantly disorder. he's to constantly reinvent himself in order to stay relevant to the public , in stay relevant to the public, in order to keep monetising this his own life, netflix expects netflix expects he obviously had the netflix series then the memoir he was accused of, perhaps playing the victim. prince harry denies . in fact, he prince harry denies. in fact, he denied that in his live stream, says, i am not the victim in this. so perhaps you're right, bev. we will more of bev. maybe we will see a more of a towards trying to do
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a shift towards trying to do mental health work or indeed being an advocate for mental health to break health and trying to break the stigma he launched stigma he did when he launched heads together, brother, heads together, his brother, prince and catherine, prince william and catherine, then duchess of cambridge as well. that blast from the past that was well, i mean, of course if he is going to start jumping on bandwagon , that's on the bandwagon, that's a different age. that's not mental health need. maybe health as a learning need. maybe that's he's going to go that's where he's going to go next. oh, cameron, i'm glad you're to be to hold you're going to be there to hold our go by, work cut out our hands, go by, work cut out for you've got a year, for me. you've got a busy year, right? okay in case you missed us earlier, we spoke to nigel farage about the whatsapp leaks from former health secretary matt here's what had to matt hancock. here's what had to say . putting an awful lot of say. putting an awful lot of weight know we're learning. you know, they know i mean things we've seen morning this we've seen this morning this is a for hancock as the whole a win for hancock as the whole thing was just some sort of university about who comes out with the best political reputation . i think perhaps the reputation. i think perhaps the most damaging thing so far is the admission that they deliberately tried to terrify the population into what does
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say about of british society , say about of british society, what does it say about our culture ? we, without even in culture? we, without even in fortnite , people treat people fortnite, people treat people like that. so i have to say the conclusion i think will draw is a conservative party is simply not fit for . so nigel will be on not fit for. so nigel will be on your telly tonight at 7:00 as always. of course are delighted now to be joined by daily mail columnist patel is back in the studio and we have a familiar face to the show at this time of the day the face been called many things are not always familiar. mp stephen pound right stephen we're going to get started hancock's leaked started on hancock's leaked messages . started on hancock's leaked messages. this just the started on hancock's leaked messages . this just the gift messages. this just the gift that keeps on giving this to me. well, i find this absolutely. and what really worries me about i mean, there's a certain humorous aspect to it because you guy's an ego you know, the guy's got an ego the size, the millennium dome. but what really worries is but what really worries me is the total withering the absolute total withering cynicism, contempt cynicism, frivolity and contempt that when he talked that he showed when he talked about mean. certain about the mean. there's certain words realised can't use about the mean. there's certain wo air, realised can't use about the mean. there's certain wo air, which ealised can't use about the mean. there's certain wo air, which heised can't use about the mean. there's certain wo air, which he described use about the mean. there's certain wo air, which he described the on air, which he described the teaching unions as just
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extraordinary. and then sir gavin williamson saying the teachers so lazy they'll do teachers are so lazy they'll do anything avoid back to. anything to avoid going back to. i meant the unions to i think he meant the unions to be fair and, there is some argue the unions were desperate to keep the teachers out of school. but what worries me is that there's a general perception there. and, you know, all three of, know, this than much of, you know, this than as much as anybody. we say in as anybody. but what we say in private politics is very private as politics is very different say in different to what we say in public. this absolutely reinforces and reinforces that divide. and i can people over this can hear people over this weekend, people is what weekend, people will say is what you think of us and you really think of us and worries me. i mean, hancock is a great deal that we can actually curse and his cruelty to curse in. and his cruelty to australian aborigines, aboriginal and bodies and aboriginal parts and bodies and things. and i think we can, we can deal with that after watching a of australia this watching a bit of australia this australian body part. amanda we talked to you earlier about let's tackle the channel migrants crisis . rishi sunak set migrants crisis. rishi sunak set out to solve a seemingly intractable problem , says all of intractable problem, says all of the newspapers . this the the newspapers. this the solution. it's desperate is what
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it is basically difficult. and as we know a year to try and win back some of especially the red bull people voted brexit to try and have some chance to not be annihilated and. they think this is going to do it for them. i think that the whole thing is fatally flawed because as they showed in australia the second reference aussie, the only reference to aussie, the only way you solve these is if you deter illegal immigrants . deter the illegal immigrants. it's not just turning the boats back, it just smoke and make back, it is just smoke and make it so impossible to get . it's it so impossible to get. it's all just mirrors saying you get rid of the gangs you get rid of the gangs. no, you stop people from wanting to come on the boats and that's the only way it which is what this is aimed to do . right. which is what this is aimed to do. right. think which is what this is aimed to do . right. think never be do. right. i think never be given the opportunity. that's meant. they haven't put up anything like it took australia about ten years to put up the infrastructure to actually close their borders, to deter people from coming and. they did from coming and. if they did manage get to australia, manage to get to australia, they're put into camps they're instantly put into camps . now that took ten years . okay, now that took ten years to set up. wow you got to build
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all the camps for a start. well, we keep talking putting we keep talking about putting people in pontoons and they're tired holiday camps. that's how it's set in in australia. i think we're basing it on the but one of the real problems here is the absolute total utter slur erotic incompetence of the home office by. i just don't think in all our 22 years in parliament and i think ever came across any department government which was less capable of doing them, didn't colleague reid didn't your colleague john reid say in home office , he say just in the home office, he said it wasn't coming and alan johnson to you can johnson said to me, you can hardly at night knowing hardly sleep at night knowing that every somebody somewhere in the doing something the home is doing something which a huge crisis. which will cause a huge crisis. but it's but look at the moment, it's a free hit. you come to this country to foot on the country to set one foot on the beach and. what happens is you get dispersed, disappear get dispersed, you disappear from you go and from the hotel. you go and work in a wash and. i think what in a car wash and. i think what we need to do is differentiate between different types between the different types of people this country, people coming to this country, the pool. the pool the pushing the pool. the pool factor, as exemplified by the albanians, is to come no albanians, is to come here. no id checking up. you id cards, no checking up. you can where want. and can work where you want. and after a few years marry
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after a few, a few years marry a local woman or a man, you hit what got. yes. forget what you've got. yes. forget cat, okay? i hadn't thought about that. told the family to stay. it does include the. yes agree with that. but the cat. anyway, the reality is you've got to move on from that. i think amanda. i'm i'm blushing genuinely and it is a true but the cat he said that that having a cat a feline steve having a feline owning one and looking after it in his home meant that he'd established his right to live here. it was an unusual case, but it is true . yeah, case, but it is true. yeah, exactly. but one of the problems we've got is that there are a number of these asylum seekers that absolutely totally genuine. and in the old days they have appued and in the old days they have applied to british high applied to the british high commission because i with commission because i dealt with hundreds, not thousands of them in and i soon got in my 22 years. and i soon got to a number of the people who. absolutely yes, i hear the five bob note and what happened to them. they still here. of them. they still here. most of them. they still here. most of them because in most cases them are, because in most cases
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i to the home i would keep writing to the home office. would actually office. i would actually give information office information to the home office information to the home office in cases, about chap in a couple of cases, about chap who had five different wives. you know, think that was you you know, i think that was just a appalling and you know, he's beating up. it was he's beating them up. it was just the home office just dreadful. the home office just dreadful. the home office just acknowledge just doesn't even acknowledge that. are some that. so but there are some occasionally meet someone occasionally i'd meet someone you i remember you know particularly i remember one family from one case, a family from afghanistan, whose afghanistan, a woman who whose husband had been murdered, whose children being threatened, children were being threatened, and a genuine case. and she was a genuine case. she'd everything. she'd pawned everything. she'd got here. and got to come over here. and i think a reputation of being think have a reputation of being decent people. we also have decent people. and we also have a in afghanistan. but a history in afghanistan. but the problem is compare that to some straight from coming some straight from who's coming across to , here you know, to across to, here you know, to work tax free and take advantage of benefit system. that's of our benefit system. that's the they're the problem because they're being with the same being tarred with the same brush. yeah let's move guys. brush. yeah let's move on, guys. a prescription charges for the over to be debated by mp over sixties to be debated by mp is today this i declare an interest we'll talk about the over 80 of the over eighties which are over sixties so what's what what's this about amanda ? what what's this about amanda? why are people calling for this
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now? there's a petition, isn't there ? well, i know from a very there? well, i know from a very good source in my local pharmacy that this is they've already been told it's going to happen . been told it's going to happen. so it basically means by the time at the moment you get your script free up until what is it up until 65. yeah. and then after that you have to pay or what do pay for some of them anyway . they're going to extend anyway. they're going to extend it up until 67, 68. so that's an even burden on the taxpayer. yeah, it will but that's the label that's what the pharmacies have been told by the government. yeah so this is this is like year ago yet there is, there is many people asking they stephen, that who are 60, stephen, that people who are 60, 61, 62 still working full time earning money not all they earning good money not all they get it. it's not old at why get it. it's not old at all. why are getting free. the silly thing here is that these the solution is that in plain sight at moment if you have at the moment if you have a chronic condition a long term chronic condition or a long term ongoing you free ongoing condition, you get free prescriptions yeah prescriptions anyway. yeah i mean, certain problem mean, i have a certain problem i don't wish discuss it. and don't wish to discuss on it. and you i get free you know, i get free prescriptions have done prescriptions and have done since was in my fifth. we know
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since i was in my fifth. we know what that problem is, which was many, i think we many, many years. i think we know that. can know all about that. stephen can we on? yes, i wish i could, we move on? yes, i wish i could, but amanda, i'm not declaring an interest being 60 or interest in being over 60 or not. i mean, we know of not. but i mean, we know lots of people are their early people are in their early sixties are getting free sixties who are getting free prescriptions can prescriptions options, who can easily pay for them. easily afford to pay for them. it's mad. one of them. it's mad. i'm one of them. yeah. and you get on the tube and you also get on the tube tefl, is london , which has tefl, which is london, which has got a deficit of 1.80. the other side sorry, 60 and i'm not, side i'm sorry, 60 and i'm not, i'm not ashamed to declare. i'm 65. i'm on the other side of that. 65. i'm on the other side of that . the fact that if i paid that. the fact that if i paid into the nhs all life there is that and i have hardly used it. i use private medical, i'm proud to do it, but it's a free up space for other people. i'm not. why shouldn't i be allowed to get free prescription and. i have got a long term illness . i have got a long term illness. i don't want any point even i don't want any point even i don't want any tweets on what my long term it's conditions long term but it's conditions like might be you know why shouldn't we and why should they be making it difficult? i used to be a bus conductor in and we
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have a called a toilet have a paper called a toilet because get on bus at because they'd get on the bus at night. i too early? because night. am i too early? because it's pass. and that was it's a free pass. and that was the these the trouble. so we had these seniors policies back in the, you know, a long time ago when i was on the buses. but don't forget it didn't live to 95 then. no, they can because then. it no, they can because that means your free was that means you get your free was at you're using it in at 60 you're still using it in 30 time fair point and 30 years time fair point and i think we should pay some being today why what all coaches be able to get the buses for making us a culture. i wasn't talking about you but look the moment about you but look at the moment forget they have actually reduced the time. used to be able to senior citizens able to use the senior citizens bus any time in the bus pass any time in the morning. i know. i know. morning. i know. 9:00. i know. that's right. and on some the that's right. and on some of the tfl is 930. right. so they are it like like it already it's like like they're extending they've change, they are shrinking the time. use bus. bus. time. you can use the bus. bus. yeah. fairytale yeah. yeah right. fairytale rewrite . we had roald all and rewrite. we had roald all and then we had camilla , the duchess then we had camilla, the duchess of wales no but quite quickly queen consort keep the titles of queen consort keep the titles of queen consort keep the titles of queen consort sort of waded into
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this kind of obliquely, didn't she? did she know exactly what she? did she know exactly what she was doing? press your imagination when you're writing. and now we are hearing the classic fairytale is it is snow white cinderella problematic white cinderella are problematic for sorts ideas white cinderella are problematic forimpress sorts ideas white cinderella are problematic forimpress noble sorts ideas white cinderella are problematic forimpress noble young ideas white cinderella are problematic forimpress noble young children to impress noble young children amanda do they a point it's a bit more sinister sinister than that because what they're saying is that you can't in scenes like cinderella when you format love with your prince you couldn't you can't you don't know what they're going to refer to themselves as in terms of their own gender. so you can't she he put the slipper on her shoe because she might be identifying as a trans or she identify as candace where and so you just think what is really ridiculous about this is one of the things they're objecting to is people swooning. now i think i think i speak for all of us at some stage we've seen people in their lives with absolutely full of head over heels but that doesn't often last overnight but you
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know with more to know it does start with more to come it's really shocking come for me it's really shocking when so good but look when you think the in the think of the stuff in the brothers never were brothers grimm and never were brothers, appropriately , brothers, more appropriately, aptly brothers aptly named on the brothers grimm you've people being grimm, you've got people being cooked babies eaten. cooked in ovens, babies eaten. you've most ghastly you've got the most ghastly things happening. mind things happening. never mind that all that well. but that pork all that well. but should somebody swoop in but now they're after because they're going after because they're going after because they're saying that they're that they're fascists because cinderella slim and cinderella is really slim and she's got a tiny , tiny waist, she's got a tiny, tiny waist, which is not a good role model for young girls . i mean, give us for young girls. i mean, give us a sense on stilts, kim, as a person of restricted growth, let us believe princesses before we realise that it's going to be a lot of toads out there. we're going to end kissing. well, they've also accused of they've also been accused of being jest because they're being a jest because they're saying are saying the good characters are always villains tend always young. the villains tend to old people, usually to be ugly. old people, usually women, which promotes, i think is the kids can see through this, think these people who come up with these, they presume that children are stupid and that children are stupid and that they're then going to presume that old person is presume that every old person is evil. think like, well, the
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evil. they think like, well, the number of young children who are going to be into a room going to be coming into a room and some aged crone and seeing some aged crone spinning wheel, either, you spinning on a wheel, either, you know, apple on one know, the poisoned apple on one side terrified a prick, side and terrified of a prick, and would send to and which would send them to sleep for 2000 years or something other you know, it's pretty i would have pretty minimal i would have thought. yeah it is. thought. yeah it is. it is. while you're waiting for the prince to come along way, every conversation with double conversation with a double entendre. this every entendre. oh he does this every week. mean i'm i went week. i mean i'm sure i went through the and if i see through the script and if i see any entendres i'll whip any double entendres i'll whip it love a bit of it out. i'll i love a bit of stephen pound can't lie that's stephen pound i can't lie that's all you'd get if there's an entendre to be had. stephen pound h entendre to be had. stephen pound it and i stephen pound has it and i stephen i want to you as well, boris want to ask you as well, boris johnson offering nominating his father for a knighthood . well, father for a knighthood. well, i'm wondering how many i'm just wondering how many members haven't members of the family haven't either offered a either ennobled offered for a knighthood. a great knighthood. oh, it's a great thing. think amanda you thing. i think amanda said, you know, your birthday, know, i forgot your birthday, dad, mind. he has dad, but never mind. he has a payback time. there's a lot of stuff in the in the commission that into things. that actually into these things. there's some some tricky stuff. i know , stanley i mean, you know, stanley johnson's excellent work she's
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yeah got longer with us yeah i've got longer with us made comments about made some pretty comments about his behaviour. so think his behaviour. so i think i think it's something like 100 names he's nominated . we thought names he's nominated. we thought that you know, for just conduct with the lavender list and then the damage was a massive indeed but 100 names on the resignation . and let's face it there've been so many prime ministers recently resigning that the house of lords is already bigger than the committee of the chinese communist going chinese communist. it's going to be bursting the bulkheads . be bursting the bulkheads. right? we have to on amount of tell stephen powell, thank you so much forjoining us on our first show. it is flowing by certainly has. coming up next is gb news live with mark longhurst . he'll be covering the sentencing of former met police officer cousins . this sentencing of former met police officer cousins. this is officer wayne cousins. this is to point with andrew and to the point with andrew and beth we'll be back tomorrow at 930. see then. alex 930. see you then. then alex deakin here your latest deakin here with your latest weather it's going to weather updates. it's going to be wintry snow showers be a wintry week, snow showers because scotland already we are going to see further snow because other of the country dunng because other of the country during the coming days the air is coming down from the arctic.
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this of low pressure has this area of low pressure has introduced some moisture and therefore that combination of and cold mean snow showers packing in across northern scotland . this weather front scotland. this weather front itself is mostly rain at this stage, but some rain is likely over northern england spreading into the midlands wales and pushing parts of southern england this afternoon. further north snow showers north though, snow showers continue come in northern continue to come in to northern skulk front. as can imagine, skulk front. as you can imagine, we have office yellow we do have met office yellow warnings place . it's going to warnings in place. it's going to be a cold across the north. be a cold day across the north. only or celsius. add only three or four celsius. add on wind and it feels much on that wind and it feels much colder further we might colder further south. we might get up to nine a time, but get up to nine for a time, but it's going to feel as it's going to feel colder as these rain showers trickle southwards we could southwards and then we could start overnight a little start overnight to see a little bit more the way of sleet and bit more in the way of sleet and snow across the midlands. parts of wales and southern england. further showers further snow showers for northern ireland, north—east england and eastern england and northern and eastern scotland. again, snow and ice scotland. so again, snow and ice in place here further south say it's more of going to be a mixture of rain and, snow, but it could wake up to a covering over parts of the midlands,
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south wales and south—east england. these showers england. these snow showers making things slippery. first thing plenty of thing in the morning, plenty of sunshine across sunshine on tuesday across south—west scotland , northwest south—west scotland, northwest england quite england in the south, a quite a grey with continued mixture grey day with continued mixture of rain, sleet and, some snow, the snow showers also continuing across northern scotland, perhaps easing, though, for northern ireland and northeast england. another cold, warm up wherever you are as cold day across the south tomorrow compared to today and as more wet weather comes into the southwest , is then the threat southwest, is then the threat here of some snow as we go through tuesday and into wednesday that could scoot across southern counties across other southern counties dunng across other southern counties during wednesday. so as i said, a wintry week, it stays throughout snow possible in the south wednesday. that snow risk moving north later in the week . moving north later in the week. goodbye tonight on . gb news at goodbye tonight on. gb news at six it's dbs income 7:00 farrow age at join jacob rees—mogg and at nine dan wootton tonight is followed by headliners .
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