well a very good afternoon, everybody patrick christys here with you from three until 6 pm. here's what's on the menu. in the first hour, we react. the conservative party's latest attempt to stop the small boats crisis . it centres around attempt to stop the small boats crisis. it centres around being able to deport all people and put a cap on the number of refugees we accept every single yeah refugees we accept every single year. very angry about year. labour very angry about the thing, i'm joined the whole thing, but i'm joined conservative tim loughton. conservative mp tim loughton. he's got sell those frankly. he's got to sell those frankly. why all rather why we should all be rather happy it. also going happy about it. i'm also going to former chairman of to be joined former chairman of the conservative jake the conservative party, sir jake barry, once hancock dragged barry, who once hancock dragged back parliament to account back to parliament to account for the allegation that he held disabled children ransom in order to secure votes for his

lockdown's . i will also be lockdown's. i will also be asking how much money do you have to earn before lose the right to strike? because supposedly nhs are about to go on strike and they earn between 80 and £130,000 a year. any sympathy for them? no, not really. and course it's very nearly that time of year. again isn't it? your revision, everybody got, the tinsel out, you sparkly dresses, whatever do. i'm going to be talking to a lady who's waited over a decade to try get our hands on those famous tickets and see her beloved eurovision once successful. to successful. well, you have to find i've all for find out. i've got it all for you, ladies and gentlemen, get stuck . okay, so email me you, ladies and gentlemen, get stuck. okay, so email me , stuck. okay, so email me, gbviews@gbnews.uk. and me know if we do puts a cap . the number if we do puts a cap. the number of refugees allowed into britain single year. what should that number be? gbviews@gbnews.uk. but right now if you had lice .

but right now if you had lice. get i'm tamsin roberts in the here's the latest . well, we can here's the latest. well, we can start with some breaking news in this last hour. start with some breaking news in this last hour . the london fire this last hour. the london fire bngade this last hour. the london fire brigade says , a child has died brigade says, a child has died after a fire broke out in a flat in barking this morning to. adults and two children were also taken to hospital. six fire engines and around 40 firefighters were at the scene. but the cause of the blaze is still under investigation. so that breaking news just in the london fire brigade saying that a child has died after , a fire a child has died after, a fire at a flat in barking this morning . the home secretary told morning. the home secretary told mps that it would betray british voters, not to tackle the waves of illegal breaching the border . speaking in the house of commons , suella braverman has commons, suella braverman has outlined details of the new illegal migration bill which would remove and ban who enter the uk . this bill enables

the uk. this bill enables detention of illegal arrivals without bail or judicial review within the first 28 days of detention until they can be removed . it puts a duty on, the removed. it puts a duty on, the home secretary, to remove entrants and will radically narrow the number of challenges and appeals that can suspend removal only those under 18 medically unfit to fly or at a real risk of serious and irreversible harm and. exceedingly high ball in the country. we are removing them to will be able to delay their removal. any other claims will be heard remotely after removal . stuart mcdonald from the scottish national party says no seekers are illegal. believe that all who seek and seek refugee status a fair hearing and we are 100% behind a clear statement from . the united statement from. the united nafions statement from. the united nations high commissioner for refugees that there is no such

thing an illegal asylum seeker. mr. speaker, despite the dreary dog whistle rhetoric , horrible dog whistle rhetoric, horrible will not so much lay a solitary finger on people smugglers or people trafficked . but it will people trafficked. but it will cause serious and devastating harm for people who have already endured incredible suffering . endured incredible suffering. leaked whatsapp messages suggest . former health secretary matt hancock withholding funding for a learning disability centre to pressure an mp to back new covid restrictions. the obtained by the daily telegraph , mr. hancock the daily telegraph, mr. hancock and an aide discussed warning mp james daily that the centre would be off the table if he rebelled. spokesperson for matt hancock says . what is being hancock says. what is being accused never happened and that the leaked message exchanges a partial account of the conversation . the trial of the conversation. the trial of the man accused of murdering olivia pratt corbell has heard that she was shot after running downstairs, screaming to mother that she was scared . nine year

that she was scared. nine year old olivia died after a gunman fired into home in liverpool last august . manchester crown last august. manchester crown court has been told the suspect, thomas had been lying in wait for his intended target on evening of the shooting. he murder . the evening of the shooting. he murder. the gender pay gap in the uk has widened with men now paid 14.4% more than women. the accountancy firm pwc report puts the increase down to a sharp rise in childcare , which has rise in childcare, which has pnced rise in childcare, which has priced many women out of work altogether . it's warned at the altogether. it's warned at the rate pay gap is closing. it will now take more than 50 years to reach gender pay parity . cancer reach gender pay parity. cancer research . uk estimates around research. uk estimates around 5000 gp appointments would be freed up every if people stopped smoking in england. the charity says smoking the biggest cause of cancer related deaths and is

urging government to do more to prevent young people from picking up the habit and to help current smokers quit . thousands current smokers quit. thousands of uk travellers have been hit by the disruption caused by general strike in france. dozens of flights and trains cancelled and ferries were delayed due to french workers walking in protest at president macron's plan to raise the pension age from 62 to 64. the king queen consort are in colchester to celebrate its new city. colchester awarded the city title during , the queen's title during, the queen's platinum jubilee celebrations last year. the couple were due visit city zoo and castle as well as colchester library , well as colchester library, where they'll join charities , uk where they'll join charities, uk and the silver line for tea with local volunteers . this is gb local volunteers. this is gb news for me shortly. now back .

news for me shortly. now back. patrick and is enough. we must stop the boats that is the message from the home secretary today suella braverman unveiled plans to detain almost all asylum seekers who arrive on small boats before deporting them to a safe country. speaking the house of commons, she outlined the scale of the problem, saying it was costing britain £3 billion a year. costing britain £3 billion a year . let's be clear costing britain £3 billion a year. let's be clear , costing britain £3 billion a year . let's be clear , they are year. let's be clear, they are coming here. we've seen a 500. we've seen a 500% increase in small boat crossings two years. and this , mr. speaker, is the and this, mr. speaker, is the crucial point of this bill. they will not stop coming here until the world knows that if you enter illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed .

detained and swiftly removed. removed back to your country. is it safe or to a safe country , a it safe or to a safe country, a safe third country like rwanda ? safe third country like rwanda? and that is precisely what this bill will do . that is how we bill will do. that is how we will the boats. well, tough talk from the home secretary, but of the bill say it would flout international law and will be at odds with britain's obligations under the european on human rights . and frankly we've heard rights. and frankly we've heard a lot of this before haven't we? well, earlier on, speaking to gb news, former brexit news, the former brexit secretary, davis , out how secretary, david davis, out how other deal with other countries deal with illegal migration. most countries in europe apart from france and italy i think most countries in europe have a zero acceptance rate for albanian refugees and in france i mean has many, many more than we do and turns down 90 something% of them we accept 55. that's that's

where these things start. you can declare a country, a safe country , but right then you you country, but right then you you can create a law which allows you to turn around like that. no appeals . now, why do i say that appeals. now, why do i say that ? because sweden have already done it. sweden you know, social democratic , civilised, you know, democratic, civilised, you know, nice upright. sweden has done it . how do they do it? they looked at the international court. so why? this is all funny in the papers when i looked at the international court case and designed the law around it, and if we just copied sweden's law, we guarantee that european we could guarantee that european court wouldn't court of human rights wouldn't interfere. we interfere. okay, well, then we go home. and security editor mark white joins us from outside the office now. mark, thank the home office now. mark, thank you just on the you very much. i'm just on the really centres around being really this centres around being able and then able to deport people and then putting cap on forward. putting a cap on going forward. what is the. yes, well, what else is the. yes, well, that mean is key to it. they want to get the number of asylum seekers in the system at the moment reduced very significantly to get rid that

backlog once at that stage once they're very significantly the backlog, then they'll look at a cap so a non you'll figure for the number of refugees that the uk will accept there will be the introduction of more safe and legal routes. according to the government and indeed will be a reaction as they have done in the past to world. so if you have a war like ukraine or , the have a war like ukraine or, the fall of afghani stone to the taliban, then have the possibility of a and legal route from that particular country to help with those who want to claim refugee status. so that's the theory . the difficulty will the theory. the difficulty will be really getting those third party agreements place and through courts to ensure that the likes of rwanda other countries that were told like rwanda that are interested in

partnering with the uk to take some of these asylum seekers to ensure that are all up and running . otherwise the whole running. otherwise the whole process really down before it's even begun because then you're relying on returning people to their home countries . relying on returning people to their home countries. but if you've got a country iran there is no agreement with there is no agreement with afghanistan. these people cannot be returned to those countries. so then you need that third party like or another country involved in this. so as i say, as a matter of urgency now the government really needs the rwanda to get final approval in the courts, but it's still being litigated. and every time it finds in favour of the government, as it has done previously, then there is a further appeal. and we have still many months to go. patrick

before are at a position where rwanda is finally settled one way or the other. yeah indeed. look, mark, thank you very, very much. mark white there are homeland security added to outside the home office. i'm going bring now going to bring in now tim loughton, member of the loughton, who's a member of the home affairs select committee. he actually spoke believe immediately at cooper he actually spoke believe imtheiiately at cooper he actually spoke believe imthe commons at cooper he actually spoke believe imthe commons earlier cooper he actually spoke believe imthe commons earlier on>per he actually spoke believe imthe commons earlier on he' in the commons earlier on he joins us from westminster joins us now from westminster tim thank you much to tim look thank you very much to great the show. one thing great you on the show. one thing that me was some that stood out for me was some soil a problem and said about 100 people essentially 100 million people essentially ready and waiting here ready and waiting to come here under rules under our current laws and rules and rest. these aren't true . and rest. these aren't true. well, i think if you at what's going on globally and if you look big displacements which are happening in africa where there millions of refugees living outside of their own country and also the prospect of climb it change having a big impact on people moving away from , viable people moving away from, viable economies closer to the equator . in the future, there is substantial numbers of people

who are on the on the move. so we've got to make sure that we have a robust system that . we've have a robust system that. we've got the appropriate people genuinely fleeing danger and persecution who we can offer safe haven to the uk and we're not our generosity completely abused by people the system or coming in because their economic migrants are not genuine asylum seekers as is happening the moment i'm afraid what do we currently have returns agreements . well, we have agreements. well, we have britain's agreements with countries like but not enough are being sent back to albania swiftly enough because the whole court appeals procedure drags it on for months and in some cases years . that's just crazy. we years. that's just crazy. we need more returns. agreements with a wider range of countries as well. but there are some countries who just not take back any people who've left their and appued any people who've left their and applied for asylum elsewhere,

particularly iran. and that doesn't just apply to uk, it appues doesn't just apply to uk, it applies to france other european countries as as well. so we've got to have a shared solution to how we deal with people like they don't have a case to come . they don't have a case to come. the uk obviously i don't . the uk yeah, obviously i don't. it will as a massive it will come as a massive surprise to people to that there are several countries out there who don't particularly to who don't particularly want to accept think accept people back and think people sympathetic people will be very sympathetic towards, i am to towards, that but i am keen to drill bit where we drill down bit on where we already have agreements with so albania doesn't appear to albania that doesn't appear to be where else do be working well. where else do we have these we currently have these agreements? it's not agreements? because if it's not really anywhere, we're going to have go and get them and have to go and get them and i don't quite understand how we do that. well, we did returns that. well, we did have returns agreements the so you agreements with the eu so you look at the last year when we were full members of the eu under dublin convention, which governs way people come to within the eu and apply for asylum . we endeavoured to return asylum. we endeavoured to return just over eight and a half thousand people to eu countries from where they had come , under

from where they had come, under which under eu law they should have taken them back . they have taken them back. they actually took about 102. it was less than one and a half % so less than one and a half% so those returns agreements with the eu itself were not actually evenin the eu itself were not actually even in those heady days where we were full members of the eu . we were full members of the eu. so we need to have arrangements with countries gerwyn and the home is looking at other countries potentially to have arrangements like rwanda where people can be transferred and their asylum claims will be assessed there. and if they don't want to end up in rwanda, other countries that have been designated, then you shouldn't . designated, then you shouldn't. across the channel this is just for people coming across channel. yeah, but most just the most inappropriate way of trying get into the uk whatever your views on what asylum seekers or what we be taking that's the problem. the growing can you understand those same can you understand those same can you understand those same can you understand those and why people might be slightly about this actually working because it does

rely on us getting new returns agreements with countries that we previously had agreements with that weren't being adhered to anyway and being able to deport people to countries rwanda coming out of the rwanda without coming out of the legal framework that is currently stopping us taking people to . so think people people to. so i think people might thinking this doesn't might be thinking this doesn't work . it relies on a number of work. it relies on a number of things firstly it relies on having a where we can people to places like rwanda. so if they choose to come across channel in a boat, it will be a lottery as whether they end up in a hotel in kent , whether they end up whether they end up in a hotel in kent, whether they end up on a plane back to rwanda. but also need to have a proper deterrent when we announced around the scheme, i was in calais with the home affairs select committee a few weeks ago. i mentioned this again morning in in the again morning in the in the house commons when we house of commons when we announced the end of scheme was announced the end of scheme was a big surge in migrants in france who'd been trying the france who'd been trying to the uk approached french uk approached the french authorities can we authorities to say how can we stay france because don't stay in france because we don't know getting through. and

stay in france because we don't knithat getting through. and stay in france because we don't knithat message] through. and stay in france because we don't knithat message got ough. and stay in france because we don't knithat message got out. . and stay in france because we don't knithat message got out. that so that message got out. that was deterrent was a very real deterrent effect. the problem is that no planes have left yet taken off so that scheme is not seen as a deterrent at the at the moment with the measures within this legislation you will not legislation which you will not get asylum claims granted if you come across the channel in the way and you will not be allowed to come back to the uk again in the in the future, that is a very message. don't try and get across the channel a boat. there are other safe legal routes which are an important of this bill today, which they do have a genuine asylum claim that. what they should use not across paying they should use not across paying to money smugglers and i yes i know you feel quite strongly about the fact you don't believe that labour have particularly a plan and that they are shouting there's no plan in your view whatsoever . plan in your view whatsoever. it's a complete , completely it's a complete, completely dishonest to try and say to the public, oh, labour's got plan about this. everything they've mentioned is about better law enforcement . well great, but

enforcement. well great, but we're already subsidising the french police force , the tune of french police force, the tune of £53 million a year. they're intercepting people, but more people are trying to get across and the french do not arrest them. so surprise, surprise they come back the following night with a new boat and try again. come back the following night with isnew boat and try again. come back the following night with is not boat and try again. come back the following night with is not thet and try again. come back the following night with is not the solution again. come back the following night with is not the solution .igain. come back the following night with is not the solution . okay. that is not the solution. okay. thank you very, very much. tonight that who is a member of the home affairs select just reacting to what we heard in the house commons a little house of commons a little earlier on suella braverman unveiling the conservative party's attempt. party's latest attempt. try to stop small boats crisis. stop the small boats crisis. there are massive issues with . there are massive issues with. it course, as we've it though, of course, as we've just addressed, there such as we do have to get more return agreements with countries you possibly have possibly don't want to have return with and return agreements with us, and we do have to able get we do have to be able to get planes off the ground to planes taking off the ground to people an people despite being in an existing legal framework that wants us that. so, wants stop us doing that. so, yes, at mill, ladies and yes, trouble at mill, ladies and gentlemen, have gentlemen, but moving. we have lots the legal lots more on the legal immigration. now matt immigration. but now to matt hancock whatsapp messages and hancock to whatsapp messages and this is quite a specific one. this conservative james daly says are pulled and says these are pulled and disgusted , these latest

disgusted, these latest revelations and now suggested that matt hancock discussed withholding funding for a learning disability centre . learning disability centre. daly's constituency of bury nonh daly's constituency of bury north a red wall seat to pressure him to not rebel against the covid restrictions. now with me now is sirjake barry. he's the conservative mp for rossendale and darwen , of for rossendale and darwen, of course, chairman of the conservative party. thank you very, very much. you all very angry about all of this? because on it looks as though matt hancock was holding disabled children to ransom to get his covid rules and regs through. is that right and fair ? well, i that right and fair? well, i think it's fair minded sort of person would conclude that from the messages as we've seen them. i know matt says that isn't accurate. the reflect the picture that was going on at the time. but you know, i've been in parliament 13 years. i'm more than aware that sort of arm twisting and wrangling takes place in the corridors of the house of commons in of parliamentary business. but i do

think that if approved to be correct, i've got no reason to see why. if someone tweet messages back saying 100% yes in terms of proposal that, it wouldn't be correct . it proved wouldn't be correct. it proved to be correct. i think has crossed the line. i don't think it's acceptable as a father of a child with additional needs myself actually being adjoining the constituency of james daily , barry north, i think this is completely wrong . that's why completely wrong. that's why i've called for matt hancock to be dragged or brought in front of the house of commons. we can cross question him on this very . did you vote for those particular measures . i did particular measures. i did support largely the government measures in relation to . i was measures in relation to. i was quite critical of them at the time. i've been named as one of the red list, but who was giving them a time about. and that wasn't because i to give the government a hard time it was of you just i'm interested . okay so you just i'm interested. okay so would you a vote you have would you a vote would you have voted for them if you'd have known that this kind of quote unquote boy tactic was

unquote bully boy tactic was being used to other meps to being used to get other meps to vote them. just think vote for them. well i just think if proven be correct, is if proven be correct, this is absolutely appalling. it is weapon raising money for disabled young people , the disabled young people, the north—west of england , as a way north—west of england, as a way of bullying people , who into of bullying people, who into voting for the tearing system in the north—west lots of north—west mp is including me have real reservations about this . let's not forget that as this. let's not forget that as soon as the tearing system was proposed in london, suddenly the government came forward with money for hospitality which hadnt money for hospitality which hadn't been in the north of england . i don't think anyone england. i don't think anyone can criticise northern whatever party that from the standing up for the people represent and this if correct it is absolutely showing that a good secretary of state was prepared to use the plight of children as a way of forcing through their will against mps raising concerns. i've not experienced anything like this in politics. i think

this is completely unacceptable the instalment of what's messages appears to show that . messages appears to show that. matt hancock did not do everything that he possibly could to preserve life in care homes, did not do everything he possibly could to preserve young children's education and now quite possibly did not do everything that he possibly could have done to help disabled children . i mean, at what point children. i mean, at what point doesit children. i mean, at what point does it turn into looking quite evil ? well, that would be for evil? well, that would be for others to say . i do think the others to say. i do think the great disadvantage we is that the covid inquiry , which is the covid inquiry, which is probably several years away from a conclusion , won't give us the a conclusion, won't give us the answers that we're seeking in any time frame. and that's why i'm calling for following the this mass leak of 100,000 text messages for us to get on with examining the evidence as we know it is. and if matt hancock believes that he is in some way being misrepresented through his

own words or through own messages and surely will come forward and justify his behaviour, but until showing to the contrary, i think this sort of bully boy tactic is absolutely unacceptable . and you absolutely unacceptable. and you know, i think shows matt hancock in an appalling light. and let us not forget whatever reasoning may be this new centre for disabled children to learn in has not been built and not been funded. we don't know why that is, but daley did vote against these tears and surprise, surprise , the centre doesn't surprise, the centre doesn't doesn't get funded now. i don't know why that is and i'd be very interested to hear from matt hancock whether. he followed through on what appears to be a threat made by us back the adviser in these messages . so in adviser in these messages. so in your view matt hancock to return to parliament immediately and be asked this directly that

question being is the reason why there is a centre for children with learning in the seat of north anything to do with the fact that the sitting mp for that seat did not vote for your measures correct and that's why i put in tweet last night that there is a fairly procedure where members of parliament can be draw . i know the people be draw. i know the people actually the last time happened was in the last century to a can be drawn the bar of the house of and asked by members of parliament there is no other way as far as i'm aware to for ordinary mps aren't on select committees to hold him to account for these messages . he's account for these messages. he's no longer a conservative mp. he's longer a serving government minister . he's longer a serving government minister. and that's why i that this arcane procedure which we haven't used this century maybe something this speaker looks to bnng something this speaker looks to bring back to enable these questions to be answered. i know you've got to go a second. so

just one more very, very quick one, if indeed it turns out that thatis one, if indeed it turns out that that is the reason why there isn't a centre for children. we disabilities i mean what disabilities that i mean what kind punishment he kind of punishment should he face. very limited face. well there is very limited punishment he can face, but punishment that he can face, but i'm views of gabby i'm sure that the views of gabby news britain's national news channel will ensure that in the court of public even if he never faces any the ports he loses court he loses. look thank you very much for fitting as and i know you're a busy and we really appreciate your time now sir just that is the conservative mp for rossendale and darwen and of course the former chairman of, the party, now matt the conservative party, now matt hancock this hancock spokesman said this as we've repeatedly seen last we've repeatedly seen this last week completely wrong week is it's completely wrong to take entirely partial week is it's completely wrong to take and irely partial week is it's completely wrong to take and write)artial week is it's completely wrong to take and write itrtial week is it's completely wrong to take and write it upl week is it's completely wrong to take and write it up as fact account and write it up as fact was being accused here never happened make pretty happened so make a pretty categorical from hancock's. categorical from a hancock's. coming very short coming up after a very short break, i'm going to return to top story. we are speaking to a human rights now. all of this relates to immigration plan can only can get around only happen if can get around the law. i want i want

solutions, not problems . can we solutions, not problems. can we get around the laws here? year

to welcome back. i'm going to give a reminder of some key points how the government is proposing to deal with illegal migrants. these were unveiled earlier in the house of commons. now under the house of commons. now under the proposals, those arriving on boats will be detained for 28 days without bail or judicial review. they'll be from using modern slavery laws to oppose the government's decision to. deport them. there'll be an annual on the number of people entering safe routes, which has to be set by parliament. and only who are under 18 risk or medically unfit to fly will, be able to lodge an appeal. deportees should look. this has come under fire. a lot of people are saying this doesn't actually comply with the current laws that we have. suella braverman could only muster that some the country's finest legal minds are working on this at the moment and you wouldn't get drawn into

and you wouldn't get drawn into a robust outline of the a more robust outline of the framework, shall we? cohen joins me now. he's a human rights lawyer. thank you very much. a lot people very lot of people are very sceptical. the legalities of this . i'm sceptical. the legalities of this. i'm going bring you in this. i'm going to bring you in now ask you think, if now and ask you, you think, if at all, we are going to be able to actually comply with the law that exists out the moment and still the other and still do. what's the other and actually to do , which actually wants us to do, which is, let's be honest with you. deporting more people and put a cap . the of refugees is cap. the number of refugees is that for us does not surprise me. yes, it is. there you go. you had all that crack on and. yes, so i'm sure it can be done. and i think one reason for that is, i mean obviously, other than the specific provisions in the bill, but obviously i mean, i think they've basically accepted it. and because as was in the newspapers today and as she confirmed in parliament they themselves are not able to confirm that to be understand this this law will be with the echr existing human laws. so i mean obviously numerous, you

know, dozens of times over the past we have insisted a law or a proposed bill is in compliance , proposed bill is in compliance, human rights law. and they just found not be. but in this case, even the government itself. the thing is, it's that it will be compliant . so i don't think that compliant. so i don't think that they can do this. what is interesting, what interesting is that suella braverman did quite clearly say that these laws were designed for time is not designed for a time is not compatible with the modern that we're seeing, which implies that there's to have to be some there's going to have to be some kind new laws could kind of new. what new laws could be in order to get what she wants , which is basically more wants, which is basically more deportations . third countries deportations. third countries also agreements with existing safe countries and ability to put a cap on the amounts of refugee we accept every single yeah refugee we accept every single year. i mean, so the laws would be i mean, like one of the npis today and within parliament in 2015 said it seems to be the fifth tory immigration act we've seen since then. so i mean obviously they're coming up with new laws all time. but the point

is, i mean, other how much it costs us the enough of it and how many of them actually comply with them. national law. so that's i mean, they that's the thing. i mean, they are about domestic law . are talking about domestic law. and then obviously of about to make a new law. talk about make a new law. let's talk about that law now . what that international law now. what are consequences of us are the consequences of us breaking international law? because is it just that people abroad might sneer at us and that it's not the done thing ? or that it's not the done thing? or is there some kind of more significant like a home secretary gets locked ? so secretary gets locked? so i think in terms of more significant i mean, i think that's significant enough as it is. so for instance, you know, as has said many times, obviously after the russian aggression recently, russia was suspended from the echr, kicked basically and been no other country that that's happened to. so for us to have to join that group i think would be pretty and shameful in itself. and but other is just i mean, obviously you just lose other countries respect. other countries don't in legal treaties with you. they won't want to have relations

with you when they you with you when they know you don't comply with your obligations. so mean i think, you know, i, i mean, yes, i mean, it's unlikely that the home secretary would be locked . home secretary would be locked. but i think that the even the consequences i spoke are consequences i spoke of are pretty reading . okay. i'm just pretty reading. okay. i'm just reading here now. now, this is from 2020, but this is from february 2020, but this is the countries with the highest number echr judgements that they decided to just ignore. okay and we've got azerbaijan, russia, as you've mentioned , longer a part you've mentioned, longer a part of it, hungary, ukraine, those . of it, hungary, ukraine, those. 63% for turkey, 67% for ukraine, for example. i mean , even for example. i mean, even germany and, according to amnesty into the top of the rankings of the most disciplined countries, germany ignored % of countries, germany ignored% of the judgements and that's germany . and they're regarded as germany. and they're regarded as a pretty straightforward. in france and norway, 18. i mean why can't we just be like that? well, there's a number of reasons for those statistics, mainly but firstly, the main

thing is that the uk is in fact found to be in breach and very rarely. so i think in the of last year there were only two judgements against the uk . so judgements against the uk. so that's the first thing that doesn't really usually against the government. so i mean if there's only two judgements a year and then the country decides to even ignore those , decides to even ignore those, then obviously i think that's pretty appalling really. so that's the one thing, you know , that's the one thing, you know, regardless of what the government pretends about, you know, these judges interfering in every small thing they're trying to do, in fact echr interference is very minimal in british laws and politics. but firstly, then secondly, obviously, i think it's just a matter of ignoring, but especially as we talk turkey and other countries, the problem there is a very slow implement nafion there is a very slow implement nation or enforcement of those judgements and we are currently the we are currently amongst the disciplined countries. again, these are just the figures that i'm reading here, which is that only apparently don't implement

around 9% of those. so do have some wiggle room there and we could maybe argue we're facing exceptional circumstances and a massive burden to the taxpayer. don't quickly show don't think just quickly show up. don't think so up. am don't think so necessarily. and the point is that we're not because if we even look at the number of asylum seekers that germany that's four, that's what three, four, five six number that we six times the number that we france, italy, greece , france, germany, italy, greece, everyone takes many, many more asylum seekers than make it. so obviously, those are the countries emergency countries that have an emergency , not us. okay. alright, schauble , look, thank you very schauble, look, thank you very much. i call that as a human rights just reacting to rights lawyer, just reacting to whether essentially will whether or not essentially will be flout be allowed to flout international what that international law and what that would there's loads more would mean. there's loads more still to come we now unfold. still to come as we now unfold. pm a survey of nhs consultants shows for strike shows a growing for strike action they want pay action saying they want a pay rise average supposedly rise but on average supposedly they 120 grand they paid around 120 grand a yeah they paid around 120 grand a year. should workers year. should public workers who earn of money be able to earn amounts of money be able to strike? and there's been a mad scramble tickets to see the eurovision song contest live shows liverpool. they out in shows in liverpool. they out in just 36 minutes. i'll be speaking to one fan. find out or

not. they missed out on the tickets . right now is your tickets. right now is your headunes tickets. right now is your headlines where tamsin roberts . headlines where tamsin roberts. patrick, thank you. it's 335. here's the latest . the gb here's the latest. the gb newsroom, the secretary's told mps that it would betray british voters to tackle the waves of migrants breaching the border . migrants breaching the border. speaking in the house of commons when liberal government outlined details of the new illegal migration bill, which would remove and ban people who enter the uk illegally. this bill enables detention of illegal arrivals without bail or judicial review within the first 28 days of detention until they can be removed . it puts a duty, can be removed. it puts a duty, the home secretary, to remove illegal entrants and will radically narrow the number of challenges and appeals that can suspend removal . only those suspend removal. only those under 18 medically unfit to fly or at a real risk of serious and

irreversible harm . an irreversible harm. an exceedingly high in the country we are removing to will be able to delay removal any other will be heard remotely after removal . leaked whatsapp messages suggest former health secretary matt hancock considered withholding for a learning disability centre to pressure an mp back new covid restrictions . mp back new covid restrictions. the messages obtained by daily telegraph showed mr. hancock , an telegraph showed mr. hancock, an aide, had discussed warning mp james daily that the centre be off the table if he rebelled . a off the table if he rebelled. a spokesperson for mr. hancock said says what is being accused? never happened . a court has never happened. a court has heard how olivia corbell was shot after running downstairs screaming to her mother that she was scared . nine year old olivia was scared. nine year old olivia died . a gunman fired into her died. a gunman fired into her home in liverpool last august. manchester crown court has been told that the suspect, thomas

cashman, had been lying in wait for his intended on the evening of the shooting . he denies of the shooting. he denies murder . the of the shooting. he denies murder. the gender pay gap in the uk has widened with men paid 14.4% more than women. the accountancy firm pwc report puts the increase to down a sharp rise in childcare costs , which rise in childcare costs, which has prised many women of work altogether . it's warned at the altogether. it's warned at the rate the pay gap closing, it will now take more 50 years to reach gender pay parity . tv reach gender pay parity. tv online and plus radio. this is gb views now back to . gb views now back to. patrick well, those of you been getting in touch with your on suella braverman unveiling plans detain almost asylum seekers who almost all asylum seekers who arrive on small boats before deporting third

deporting to a safe third country like rwanda . lesley says country like rwanda. lesley says prison a small island. our prison is a small island. our country is struggling in many areas. why should our own people keep suffering house keep suffering to house criminals to the criminals who choose to the illegal route into britain? france the stumbling block. france is the stumbling block. it's britain it's about time britain toughened one now. toughened up. one more now. david says clearly , do not look david says clearly, do not look for countries , but look for for safe countries, but look for the ones the best benefits. the ones with the best benefits. they economic they are clearly economic migrants, seeking migrants, not seeking safety. stop support and benefits stop the support and benefits for illegal asylum seekers and how people will look . those how many people will look. those are some of your views that. keep coming in. gb views keep those coming in. gb views at gb news but i'm moving at gb news uk. but i'm moving away from migration away from the old migration stuff come i'm asking stuff and when i come i'm asking whether not any trust whether or not any trust consultants, of whom earn consultants, many of whom earn over £100,000 a year should be allowed to go on strike. it's pretty straightforward . at what pretty straightforward. at what point? how rich do you have to be? basically, how rich do you have to before you lose the rights to strike? i will see

in okay. welcome back now. the british medical association is reporting that nhs consultants are ready to strike for consultative ballot showed for strike action. so consulted the consultants. the association warned that it will proceed to a formal ballot unless the government action to meet the pay government action to meet the pay demands by the 3rd of april. so what and i think just consulting strike mean for our health service and do they really have the right to strike given the that they earn an average according to reports of around hundred and £20,000 a yeah around hundred and £20,000 a year. with now is dr. mike bones who is a consultant neurologist. thank you very much, dr. mike. do you think the consultants have the right to strike? they sound quite rich . should they sound quite rich. should they strike? i don't think the actual level of income is relevant to striking . i think this country striking. i think this country has fought for the right to strike over 100 plus years. and i think it's important for any group to have the right to strike. now i realise that most strikes about low paid workers ,

strikes about low paid workers, but they are and but of course they are and probably the community probably in the community there's sympathy , there's probably less sympathy, higher they higher paid workers. but they can equally aggrieved about can be equally aggrieved about their terms , conditions of their terms, conditions of service, pension rights . i service, their pension rights. i think a right to think they deserve a right to strike. okay. i'm just looking at an article in the telegraph which says the nhs consultants were paid around a million quid for that work test and trace. so the may be that they suffered at the may be that they suffered at the hands of the coronavirus crisis, which is used, of course, by people like paramedics and nurses who are much lower down the pay scale than consultants possibly doesn't up for doesn't stock up for consultants. so what's so bad about the pay ? well, i think about the pay? well, i think this is not a strike as yet. it's a it's a consultation that might lead to a if the government doesn't listen. there's just about pay is about pay- there's just about pay is about pay. but the two other main issues are think the country ought to be worried about is the pension start with as many pension to start with as many consultants in their fifties who find it more financially attractive for them to go part time or simply retire at the

level of people leaving the nhs. a consultant has tripled since two thousandeight. that's got to be worrying for the country because we're losing good quality who are at the peak of their abilities and they're drifting off. either to retire into the private unnecessarily because of the pension difficulties they're the government can do something about that did that for judges they can do it for doctors. there's not just about right . there's not just about right. there's not just about right. the only thing is the what is the pension ? the pension varies the pension? the pension varies according how much you've been paid over the course of your life. so, again , it can be life. so, again, it can be generous, but the point i'm making is that the are leaving at a time when the nhs needs more consultants. many leaving because of the ridiculous situation with their pensions . situation with their pensions. we need to get that right and hopefully. but what percentage of your salary. so what percentage of that salary is a pension because people in the private sector for example, quite often and maybe have about 3% salary pension . okay, but in

3% salary pension. okay, but in the public sector quite often 20 odd% i think people would odd% and i think people would that generous. i'm just that as quite generous. i'm just to understand why the taxpayer should be made to pay for people who've been on 100 grand a year plus for considerable amount of their working . yeah, i take the their working. yeah, i take the point of those many people across the political spectrum would agree with you, but my personal . oh, no, no. all right. personal. oh, no, no. all right. we'll try and reload him up, but we go. that was dr. mike barnes. hopefully we can get him back. but yes, just to fill you in. so some the facts and figures about this initial to see if we can strike as a consultant. they've consulted around consulted the consultants around 86% of the 17,000 senior hospital doctors consultants that said they that were balloted said they wanted to strike. i was a 1% turnout. look, i suspect that there is possibly limited sympathy for people out in case you couldn't tell us what was going people who be going out for people who may be on around £120,000 a on an average around £120,000 a yeah on an average around £120,000 a year. i understand of course there is a cost of living crisis, but i do wonder whether or not the taxpayer would feel

that just a use of that that it was just a use of that money and increase the money to go and increase the pensions increase pay pensions and increase the pay for people to who have frankly been on quantity and amount of money very long time. and money for a very long time. and we've also got emails coming in on this gb views gb news don't uk here we go. yeah, uk look but here we go. yeah, it's absolutely peter been it's absolutely peter has been on to say now i have absolutely no for councils as no sympathy for the councils as they job but i don't they do a great job but i don't think that they are deserving of a pay think that they are deserving of a pay rise at this particular moment yes. and rather moment in time. yes. and rather a of coming your way as a lot of this coming your way as well. consultants partnership a lot of this coming your way as well. consults nts partnership a lot of this coming your way as well. consults or partnership a lot of this coming your way as well. consults or maybe �*ship a lot of this coming your way as well. consults or maybe owns mark consults or maybe owns 100 grand two days a week grand a year for two days a week in hospital and works in the nhs hospital and works into private hospitals into the private hospitals dunng into the private hospitals during the week as well that's from andrew's. just from john andrew's. i'll just when to the consultants when it come to the consultants could you make case that could you make the case that potentially an potentially advantage of an already nhs already beleaguered nhs and potentially holding patients to ransom saying well we will ransom by saying well we will leave or go on strike a lot of people to be fair whatever line of work you're in don't necessarily have option to necessarily have the option to just retire or just go and work a few days a week. i believe that doctor mike is back. back

again . mark, thank you very again. mark, thank you very much. apologies about that. yes i you were answering why i believe you were answering why the taxpayer fork out for the taxpayer should fork out for people who are on 100 grand a year plus to have a better pension but emphasis was on keeping doctors in the nhs . we keeping doctors in the nhs. we all that at the moment the all know that at the moment the real crisis the nhs look at the striking nurses, the strike, ambulance strike, they don't drive us. we need to keep people images when there's a huge need for those doctors to be there we need them to stay and in view the pension is one reason they're leaving. so let's put they're leaving. so let's put the pension right so they can stay and help people in that. yes the other thing is the doctors always and other groups will subject to independent pay review body review that an independent body you sat down and said what what is a fair rate of for this is a fair rate of pay for this group that was signed everyone accepted now the accepted that but now the government been interfering government has been interfering with those recommendations. and i all the want the i think all the want is the review of the pension and review of the independent people. are they are they are holding time at a time when nurses

paramedics, ambulance driver ers and nhs call handlers may be earn an average around 30 grand a year are going on strike because they are in some cases saying that they are struggling between heating and eating. i am relatively sceptical about the old food banks argument but that keeps being made about them. go to banks, etc. with respect to food banks, etc. with respect consultants are not feeling the pinch when it comes to the cost of living crisis and anything like nurses i see views like the nurses that i see views of the life on picket lines there and you know, maybe surely, surely if they care that much about the nhs they would actually maybe even forgo a pay rise and give that to nurses wouldn't they i think i understand that argument entirely and have great sympathy with it but nevertheless at a time when the nhs is clearly in crisis and that's unarguable we need to keep the good scene in the holding patients to ransom doctor are they this is the thing that i find it difficult to get into. and it just wasn't in crisis. would consultants

really be asking for a pay rise and a better pension is the answer. are doing it answer. and they are doing it because a window of because they see a window of opportunity not bound opportunity and not not bound for well if that for patients. cath well if that was true it would be bad for patient's care would like to differ that they're not taking advantage of the timing. i mean look all stuff ambulance look at all the stuff ambulance staff, staff, junior staff, nursing staff, junior doctors as well. shouldn't doctors as well. we shouldn't forget all reflecting the fact that the just is a bit of a poor shape at the moment and need to do something about. it i don't think generally speaking the doctors are taking advantage of the situation you be the situation or would you be going strike doctor mike no. going on strike doctor mike no. as i've retired . oh i don't know as i've retired. oh i don't know if that would make it all sounds. he might. we might need you back in you go. look. all right , dr. you back in you go. look. all right, dr. mike. look, i really enjoyed the back of it. thank you to my you very much. talking to my bones a former because bones is a former because those neurologists. there you go anyway. then. now anyway. right. okay then. now we're now. this is we're moving on now. this is very a gear this nice very a gear change this nice gentleman a very deeply distressing i'm serious story because man because the trial of the man accused nine year accused of murdering nine year old corbo has got

old olivia corbo has got underway tonight. olivia was shot inside her home in liverpool , august and liverpool last, august and thomas cashman is charged with murder . i'm thomas cashman is charged with murder. i'm going to go live now to manchester crown court where our north—west reporter sophie reaper is. sophie you very much. what's the latest place ? well, what's the latest place? well, patrick, this afternoon prosecutor began telling the jury prosecutor began telling the jury about what crime scene investigators had found at the house of olivia corbell night back in august last year. they were shown an image of a bullet lodged in the front door and they were also had a one of the shots described to them. now that shot went through the front doorit that shot went through the front door it went cheryl cole bell's wrist and went through olivia bell's chest. that would be the bullets that ultimately proved fatal to the nine year old the jury fatal to the nine year old the jury were also shown some images , clothing that was recovered , , clothing that was recovered, two separate addresses . one was two separate addresses. one was a pair of navy tracksuit bottoms. they were recovered and excuse me, at the house where

the prosecution believe thomas cashman fled to after the incident. a further two items were then recovered from thomas cashman sister's the matching navy blue tracksuit jacket. see those tracksuit bottoms and t—shirt? the jury were told that after forensic analysis thomas cashman's had been found int shirt and that residue that matched to the scene of the crime had been found. the tracksuit bottoms they were finally told about circumstances of thomas cashman's original arrest back on the 4th of september of last year. he was interviewed that day when he denied involvement. he said , denied involvement. he said, i've got no involvement at all. any of these crimes that you're posing forward towards me, nothing whatsoever. i live in the area brought up in the area , whatever the reasons i've been ran the area, but i haven't committed no offence . mr. committed no offence. mr. mclaughlin then concluded the

opening statement for the prosecution, telling jury that it's their job to keep emotion out of their deliberations and instead it's their job to do based on the evidence that they are given to determine whether or not. the gunman in this incident was thomas cashman. now courts concluded for the day it's going to resume tomorrow morning and we're going to be bringing you updates on this case as we get them over the next few weeks . yes, indeed. so next few weeks. yes, indeed. so if look, thank you very much for bringing us that out. so poor, of course, who's been outside manchester crown court for us in the latest of that trial in the case of olivia pratt cop out. well, moving on from that now, though, ladies and gentlemen because they went long hot cakes. yes. out in just 36 cakes. yes. sold out in just 36 minutes. that's right. fans of the song contest were the eurovision song contest were desperate their hands . desperate to get their hands. the in town to the hottest ticket in town to see the no, no knowing line shows the only way you learn something new every day in liverpool in may, around 6000 were up for grabs for each show

, but it wasn't plain sailing for those queuing online with lots of fans reporting error . lots of fans reporting error. and there's been outrage at this for everybody who apparently wants to go see that knowing eurovision shows that you can't have thing, have too much of a good thing, apparently. well, joined oh apparently. well, i'm joined oh by of the fans who missed by one of the fans who missed out richards. i mean can out emma richards. i mean can i say it was immediately obvious to me is that you have a fabulous hat specifically designed for eurovision . i mean, designed for eurovision. i mean, it is remarkable stuff. well done ticket based on that alone. actually, i'm not my tie . right. actually, i'm not my tie. right. so you you've been standing . so so you you've been standing. so what was it like? what was it like when you were trying to get on and get your ticket stuff? it was awful. so myself, some of us might have three appliances where we were all on ticketmaster trying to get on kept coming up with an error message . so then we'd have message. so then we'd have reboot it and start all over. and then it said join the waiting room. and then from the waiting room. and then from the waiting room. and then from the waiting room , a waiting list and waiting room, a waiting list and from the waiting list was the

queue and. then the queue was to buy and it was endless and i'd 2000, but then what would happen is you then get chucked out of that , so then is you then get chucked out of that, so then you'd have to restart the process all over again. so think myself and my best mate, ron fox and own 45 minute. so the fact that it was sold out within 36 minutes. yeah we still sat there for an hour trying to get them so. yeah. why do you care so much about eurovision ? what is it for you eurovision? what is it for you that does it for you? it's tradition there. i may not be much in my stints. oh my moment of my in the 70. you know, going back to brotherhood of man and it's an annual competition that we just celebrated and that's continued my family and now best mate comes round so you know we have food from the country more or less alcoholic drinks if we can. i'm trying to sell it and just make a full celebration .

just make a full celebration. and i have to tell you, my family don't know. they spent last year it was a family do and i said i couldn't go because i was polar. right. i mean, if you a one that you all to live on television all year it's gone. i thought you were ill . well, thought you were ill. well, yeah, i was . so i tried to make yeah, i was. so i tried to make myself feel better by watching eurovision . oh, there you go . eurovision. oh, there you go. but what are you going to be doing this? i didn't realise there were nine shows. i mean, if goodness gracious me. so you haven't been able to get a ticket for you. there's got to be another way you can get a ticket. can we put a plea out now? actually, so anybody who's watching got watching this? he's got a ticket. i should clearly ticket. okay i should clearly give i'm what give it. so i'm going. what would you to someone who's would you say to someone who's watching got a watching this now? who's got a ticket? oh oh, i am desperate. desperate. time i had desperate. the last time i had it years ago, and it was 25 years ago, and i couldn't get tickets but couldn't get tickets that but now was a boom and another now was a boom and it's another 25 i'll probably be dead 25 years. i'll probably be dead so i would just like a chance. i mean, we won't even in for the

final show. we were happy to just participate in any so we didn't go for the grand final because we knew that tickets are going to be extortionate. i mean, it was £500 for one ticket andifs mean, it was £500 for one ticket and it's just no . so be staying and it's just no. so be staying alone . we're never going to get alone. we're never going to get there so our only opportunity might be tickets which would be nearer the occasion but other than that there's nowhere and yeah everything. well good luck . you know, you seem like a positive person , seem like positive person, seem like you're full of life. i think there's every chance that something might just come your way. hopefully so. hopefully there's some soul out there who's watching. that would be amazing. yes absolutely amazing . well, if anyone's got a ticket , can you can email us here and obviously have your details because managed to get into the venue. so if we do manage to get in touch with anyone, then we'll make sure we send it your way. just one very quick one. can i just is there a happy just say, is there a happy birthday behind that birthday banner behind you that somewhere? yes. so that's mine and our and my son's. we share our

birthday ten and i was birthday. he was ten and i was 21. when yesterday. yesterday happy birthday. happy to you. and your son as well . i, of and your son as well. i, of course, you know, far too young have a ten year old son that we get. and thank you very, very much. all right. good emma richardson. eurovision richardson. it was a eurovision fan from manchester. you love. say it now after the break. we will have the full story after home secretary to reveal the government's plans to end the illegal migration crisis. we'll hear from braverman and get the verdict of a senior conservative. save and pay. i will see you very shortly. ladies and gentlemen, just remember as well, i want you to email and gbviews@gbnews.uk. this plan centres around essentially deporting more people and also as well, putting a cap on the number of refugees. so gbviews@gbnews.uk say after the there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit,

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i've got coming your way. this houh i've got coming your way. this hour. we are, of course, leading with government's latest attempt to stop the small boats crisis essentially two main points for that. they want to deport more people a cap on the amount people but a cap on the amount of refugees that we accept single year. labour angry single year. labour quite angry it understandably it the tories understandably saying that we should all be very happy about i am also very happy about it. i am also going be discussing the going to be discussing the latest revelations from matt hancock. has been accused of hancock. he has been accused of holding children to holding disabled children to ransom in order to get meps to vote for his lockdown measures. they are they are shameful and he quite literally he should be quite literally dragged back to parliament. other news though as well , the other news though as well, the police essentially have been accused of racism. why well, because supposedly anyway, they tend to find more white people . tend to find more white people. they are missing ethnic minorities. what's really going on there ? on a slightly on there? on a slightly different one, i think to finish houh different one, i think to finish hour, and gentlemen, it hour, ladies and gentlemen, it looks baby are at looks as the baby boomers are at it rabbits. that's right. it like rabbits. that's right. apparently, is apparently, casual sex is booming with the boomers . who booming with the boomers. who knew? anyway, all of that coming your more like .

your way. much, much more like. in yeah. keep your e—mails coming in. legs and gbviews@gbnews.uk . i want to gbviews@gbnews.uk. i want to know from you, if we do put a cap , the amount of refugees we cap, the amount of refugees we accept as a nation every single yeah accept as a nation every single year. what should that number be? gb views. gb news. .uk. but right now it's your headlines. the polly middlehurst the wonderful polly middlehurst . patrick, thank and good evening to you. our story on gb news today, the prime says the initiatives to tackle illegal migration have started to bear fruit and need to be implemented on a larger scale. visiting a home office joint control centre in, dover, rishi sunak, told staff the plans to prevent small boat crossings need to have a deterrent effect. the minister was shown a surveillance drone taken into a van, used to monitor movements at sea . in the monitor movements at sea. in the house of commons. the secretary

suella braverman we outlined details of new illegal migration bill which would remove and ban people who enter the uk illegal . this bill enables detention of illegal arrivals without bail or judicial review within the first 28 days of detention until they can be removed . it puts a duty, can be removed. it puts a duty, the home secretary, to remove illegal entrants and will radically narrow the number of challenges appeals that can suspend removal . only those suspend removal. only those under 18 medically unfit fly or at a real risk , serious and at a real risk, serious and irreversible harm . an irreversible harm. an exceedingly high in the country we are removing to will be able to delay their removal any claims will be heard remotely . claims will be heard remotely. after removal . now more leaked after removal. now more leaked whatsapp messages suggest the former health secretary, matt hancock , considered withholding hancock, considered withholding for learning disability in order

to pressure an mp into backing newco with restrictions. the messages by the daily telegraph show mr. hancock and an aide had discussed warning the mp james daley that the centre would be off the table if he rebelled. a spokesman for matt hancock says what is being alleged never happened and leaked message exchange is only a partial account of the conversation . now account of the conversation. now as you've been hearing, account of the conversation. now as you've been hearing , the as you've been hearing, the trial of the man accused of murdering corbell has heard that she was shot after running downstairs screaming to her mum, that she was scared . nine year that she was scared. nine year old olivia died after. a gunman fired into her home in liverpool last august. manchester crown court has been told that the suspect, thomas cashman , had suspect, thomas cashman, had been lying in wait for his intended target on the evening of the shooting . he denies of the shooting. he denies murder murder the gender pay gap in the uk has widened with men

now paid 14.4% more than women. the accounting firm pwc report puts increase down to a sharp rise in childcare costs , which rise in childcare costs, which is priced many women out of work altogether. it's warned at the rate the pay gap is closing . rate the pay gap is closing. it'll now take more than 50 is to reach gender pay parity . to reach gender pay parity. thousands of uk travellers have been hit by disruption caused by a general strike in france . a general strike in france. dozens of flights and trains have been cancelled and ferries have been cancelled and ferries have been cancelled and ferries have been delayed. french workers are walking out in protest . president macron's plan protest. president macron's plan to the pension age from 62 to 64. and here cancer uk estimates around . 75,000 gp appointments around. 75,000 gp appointments would be freed up every month if people stopped in england. the says smoking remains the biggest of cancer related deaths and is urging the government to do more

to prevent young people from picking up the habit and to help current smokers quit. but simon clark , director of the smokers clark, director of the smokers group forest , asks where the group forest, asks where the line will drawn. smoking issues tend to be multifactorial. in other words , they can be caused other words, they can be caused by a whole of issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with that smoking. i mean, there's obviously group of people of which i'm member, which are people who obese. so is the next step going to be to try and end the obesity so that we save our lives . more gp appointments . now lives. more gp appointments. now parts of northern england scotland have been blanketed pure white snow at the start of a cold spell with temperatures forecast to drop to —15 in some parts of the country , more than parts of the country, more than four inches of snow have fallen in northern and around eight inches are forecast for later this week. tonight is expected to be the coldest night the year with snow warnings remaining in

place until weekend . and just place until weekend. and just lastly, the king and queen consort are in colchester to celebrate its new city status . celebrate its new city status. colchester was awarded the city title during the queen's platinum jubilee celebrations last year . the couple are due to last year. the couple are due to visit the city's zoo and castle, as well as colchester library, where they'll join charity age uk and the silver line for tea with local . we'll bring you with local. we'll bring you details of that , no doubt. but details of that, no doubt. but in the meantime, back to . patrick okay. so there has been some tough talking by the home secretary today in spelling out how the government plans to crack down on people crossing the to enter uk. suella the channel to enter uk. suella braverman unveiled plans to detain all asylum seekers detain almost all asylum seekers who arrive on small boats , who arrive on small boats, deporting them a safe third

deporting them to a safe third country. speaking in the house of commons, she outlined the scale of the problem, saying that costing britain that it was costing britain 3 billion quid. it let's be clear . they are coming here. we've seen. . they are coming here. we've seen . a 500. we've seen 500% seen. a 500. we've seen 500% increase in small boats, crossings in two years. and this , mr. speaker, is the crucial point of this bill. they will not stop coming until the world knows that if you enter britain illegally , you will be detained illegally, you will be detained and, swiftly removed . and and, swiftly removed. and removed back to your country . is removed back to your country. is it safe or to a safe country, a safe third country like rwanda rwanda ? and that is precisely rwanda? and that is precisely what this will do. that is how we will stop the well, that would go. but critics of the bill say that it would flout international law and will be at

odds with britain's obligations under the european convention on human well earlier speaking human well earlier on. speaking to the former brexit secretary david davis pointed out how other countries deal with illegal migration . most illegal migration. most countries in europe, apart from france , italy, i think most france, italy, i think most countries in europe have a zero acceptance rate for albanian refugees and in france, i mean, france has many, many more than we do. and turns down 90 something% of them. we accept 55. that's that's where these things start. you can declare a country, a safe country . but country, a safe country. but right then you can create a law which allows you to turn around like that. no nothing. now, why do i say that? because sweden have already it. sweden? you know, social, civilised, you know, social, civilised, you know , nice upright. sweden has know, nice upright. sweden has done it. and how do they do it? they looked at the international court. so as to why this is all funny in the papers. when they

looked the international court case law and designed their law around, and just copied around, it and if we just copied sweden's we could guarantee sweden's law, we could guarantee that the european of human rights interfere . rights wouldn't interfere. although we go maybe , we should although we go maybe, we should just copy sweden but while just copy sweden that. but while the outlining the the secretary was outlining the government's the government's plans to tackle the migration crisis , rishi sunak migration crisis, rishi sunak has border force has been with border force officials in dover. now the prime minister is expected to hold a press conference little bit timings have bit later today. timings have not yet to be confirmed, but let's a editor darren let's speak to a editor darren mccaffrey, who me now from mccaffrey, who joins me now from . westminster. dan, thank you very much . now, suella braverman very much. now, suella braverman was pretty clear about it. she seemed be claiming that 100 seemed to be claiming that 100 million people might be heading directly britain we directly for britain unless we change law . yes, very heated change the law. yes, very heated , pretty passionate debate in the commons . , pretty passionate debate in the commons. the home secretary's wanted this speech for quite a long time. no one suella braverman she sees this as our key mission, as home secretary to try and quell small boats crisis. it's clearly politically very important for the government as it has made a

vote of is five key tests you like to judge them by the end of this year. patrick so in ways the government cannot fail on this, a very conservative mp is all pleased that at least they've got a plan and they are pretty tough and they think that this will act as a deterrent . this will act as a deterrent. those crossing the english channel. as for the labour party though, they're too pleased in the sense that they think the rhetoric around this is too harsh, it's too provocative , harsh, it's too provocative, that it could prove incendiary, but also they simply don't think the practicalities of this going to work and it was he said that that was actually shared by some of even conservative members to who support this. we heard from some of who are concerned some of them who are concerned about where migrants might about where these migrants might be is concerned about be detained is concerned about the use of old army bases, for example , and the idea that their example, and the idea that their local constituents not like that. it was to go on for a that. if it was to go on for a very long period of time. i think the big question for the government on of though, government on all of though, patrick, the end this patrick, or in the end this genuinely as deterrent if

genuinely act as a deterrent if these people so desperate to these people are so desperate to get the uk will these get to the uk will these measures really actually stop them from doing so and second of all we're all these migrants going to go to in theory as you just heard there from the home secretary , they're going to go secretary, they're going to go to a third country. now, the only deal got is with rwanda , only deal got is with rwanda, and they've already said that they're prepared to take some people the allow it. people if the courts allow it. but talking about hundreds but we're talking about hundreds of . 47,000 here last of people. 47,000 came here last year. of people. 47,000 came here last year . so it's not entirely clear year. so it's not entirely clear how government are going to get through backlog. and this through that backlog. and this adds there's already adds to the fact there's already an backlog in system an enormous backlog in system that the government has failed to clear having only processed 3% of last year. to clear having only processed 3% of last year . yeah. 3% of claims last year. yeah. darren, thank you very, very much. darren mccaffrey there, our political editor just outside joining me outside westminster joining me is conservative mp for south l.a. is conservative mp for south la. is craig mckinley. craig thank you. now i understand that your seat, of course, on your seat, of course, bang on the coalface . it were the the coalface. it were of the migrant crisis into britain at the moment suella braverman they're talking to people will i

think be forgiven for thinking that maybe this is just a bit more hot. you believe that more hot. do you believe that when she says that 100 million people might be dying regularly on their way to britain unless do something now ? well, i'm sure do something now? well, i'm sure we wouldn't get 100 million. but i think the point was making is that there are 180, 200 million displaced people through , war, displaced people through, war, dreadful regimes , everything dreadful regimes, everything else that under any interpretation of 1951 conventional refugees could potentially have a claim here. should they come here now, whichever way you look at it, 100 million people is not an amount of at the uk or frankly western europe or anywhere else could actually with. but i'm very pleased today that suella has really turned things on the head.i has really turned things on the head. i think this is the important thing is that the home secretary have a duty to remove and that's really, really instructive rather than the position that we've been in up to now of . people come and then

to now of. people come and then we go through rather arcane process , a rather poor process. process, a rather poor process. i must that we should have been doing much better under and 40,000 people still in in the queue and processing and long term in hotels expensive hotels costing 3 billion a year. so this is a change i think obviously will it get through ? obviously will it get through? you've already heard labour moaning and shouting about it, but that's nothing new that i just don't know what they do want from the britons immigration system. and i expect some lords will have some in the lords will have something just as well. but this is robust stuff. it could work well. i want it to work. i think everyone wants it to work. absolutely hundred% but when she was asked really or offered how on earth this is going square itself with the existing the only thing she could muster was that we have some of the best legal minds in the country working on it, which does mean, doesn't it, craig, that this legislation hasn't actually been written . well, look at it. written. well, look at it. people always say, oh, this will

conflict with international law. well, international law is rather vague. let's be very honest. the only law that i think is really important is the democratic law that's going through the house of commons by its representative has been really international law . it was really international law. it was the same argument so those put a guy in australia who went up a pretty tough route of making sure boats didn't land and people were returned to indonesia and elsewhere. they haven't cast out. was international prize nor should we. and was very instructive what david davis saying on one of your your show earlier on today that there are many countries that do tougher things and they're not cast out as international pariahs. now, you know, we can a debate about the rights afghanis and everyone else at 100 million the potentially have a claim here but there are certain what i call the low hanging fruit albania certainly has to be i mean there were millions so the people have about the absolute is about returns agreements okay now yeah okay supposedly got a

returns agreement with albania. ianyone returns agreement with albania. i anyone with eyes in that head and is on the side of the eye will be able to see that doesn't appear to be working at the moment we clearly need returns agreements other countries we apparently other apparently have them with other eu but they weren't eu nations but they weren't working so this does working either. so this does only work doesn't if only really work doesn't see if we proper returns. we get proper returns. agreements other nations agreements with other nations andifs agreements with other nations and it's not really going to happen. and it's not really going to happen . well i believe there is happen. well i believe there is one in place for nigeria as well, but that's when the end of it comes in. yes. so, i mean, i've been critical of the rwanda policy because . i think it's policy because. i think it's been a you know an odd tool in the box. you are short of the box. when you are short of tools, reach might tools, you reach on that might work. now let me tell you very plainly, patrick and i discussed you before up in you on here before up in chatting about of in the chatting about of blue in the face. of these face. every one of these migrants have launched from a french beach . now, if the french french beach. now, if the french government and the french army have been able normalise mali have been able to normalise mali in africa , normalise the in west africa, normalise the entire country , the thought that entire country, the thought that they can't patrol three miles, plus or minus calais, frankly,

is a little bit unbelievable. now, the . french oh, oh, i lost now, the. french oh, oh, i lost craig. that will to bring him back up. but look , lots of back up. but look, lots of unanswered questions when it comes to this. i must admit that something that really did stand out me when suella out to me was when suella braverman said some of the braverman said that some of the greatest in country greatest legal in the country are working this are currently working on this did me that did implied to me that potentially she was putting potentially what she was putting forward written, forward hadn't yet been written, which be which i think should be a concern. people, i believe we might be able to bring craig back now. craig, thank you very much. i get gist of what you much. i get the gist of what you were everyone so were saying that everyone so i'll just on slightly, i'll just move it on slightly, if right, because if that's all right, because let's say that all of this let's just say that all of this comes into fruition and it works. the end goal would to be put cap on the of put a cap on the number of refugees that great britain accepts to an annual accepts on a down to an annual basis. cap that basis. what would you cap that number well mean, the number up? well i mean, at the moment we've got 45,000 irregular last year probably a few more that even few more that were not even detected at all. and many people would go for nought . no, this would go for nought. no, this country's got a great, proud tradition of making sure that those in need are provided for.

we've done that for centuries now. what this whole procedure is trying to do is to find that holy grail of sorting out the genuine migrants from , the genuine migrants from, the economic migrants and can blame them, giving it a go money in their pocket. 76% of those who came in last year on boats were young men. this is trying to sort out in colloquial terms , sort out in colloquial terms, the wheat from the chaff. and if it can do that so we can actually identify those properly requiring from those who are not then got to be a step forward. but i like all this patrick, to say france is patently a son of country. you should not be risking your life paying people to come across the channel that is patent nonsense. and we've got a lunatic system. it can't continue . and this legislation, continue. and this legislation, ihope continue. and this legislation, i hope long overdue will so but we've been here before it doesn't cease to amaze me. craig, when you do see people up in calais interviewing , people in calais interviewing, people there who in the jungle, all

these camps and saying, oh, so desperate, come over here. and then they told them about their epic journey the epic journey across the continents countries. continents of safe countries. and think, well, hang on and you do think, well, hang on a minute. you the obvious a minute. you know, the obvious arguments themselves arguments make themselves that but it the but look when it comes the labour statements in response what suella braverman said yvette cooper made the point that the human trafficking themselves will tell you that they a lot of them based right here in britain because the conservative party won't be doing more to tackle them and cut the head of the snake. well there's lots i mean, the prime minister , the end of the year minister, the end of the year laid out a number of new measures that didn't need any new legislation that could actually be, taking the actually be, you say, taking the head snake. and is head of snake. and that is beanng head of snake. and that is bearing down on underground working think we have a particular problem with that the underground market in the uk where people are working for cash.i where people are working for cash. i think we have to be blind not to on most blind not to see it on most streets there's a hangover from covid where data was being shared with banks to prevent those don't have a right to those who don't have a right to be here having a bank

be here from having a bank account went to a site account that went to a site dunng account that went to a site during the covid. so another covid hangover the that that the fact we put people in hotels for over a year while they're waiting processing processing could be a year 18 months even more that is a downside of our processes and the mere fact that those in the home office who do this processing seem to be not doing very many on a weekly basis. so there's lots we can do for ourselves about, you know, we perhaps do need this legislation , make it that much legislation, make it that much tougher. come back again tougher. i'll come back again to france single one of those france every single one of those getting to the uk have launched from a french beach and that can be stopped later on in this very show. actually, i'm going to be having a little look at the role of some of the so—called charities that are stationed in the sorry. they're the front. sorry. they're certainly not doing anything to stop here. and if stop people coming here. and if i human trafficker, i was a human trafficker, i certainly would be rather happy that essentially that there was essentially a large holding there under large holding pen there under the of charity that could the name of a charity that could allow to hold people waiting

allow me to hold people waiting for me to coin into the tune of millions, to millions, for them to a potentially deadly journey across the. and i think that an area well that maybe area frankly as well that maybe the party be the conservative party could be getting just getting involved we can't just ask you think ask craig well do you think actually realistically suella braverman should have stood up or an option up or you see an option stand up and uncomfortable thing, and say an uncomfortable thing, but true thing that unless but the true thing that unless we decide we're to we decide that we're going to ignore some echr rulings like , a ignore some echr rulings like, a lot of other countries do , then lot of other countries do, then we're not going to be able to get this off ground. and so therefore, that's what we're going and i've got going to do. and again, i've got some here. the uk is some figures here. the uk is pretty good when it comes. it's one the most disciplined one of the most disciplined countries under echr know. countries under the echr know. is it about time that we said this exceptional circumstances we're to flout of these we're to flout some of these rules regs by foreign judges rules and regs by foreign judges in night and we're in the dead of night and we're going do what we think is for going to do what we think is for best own citizens. and if you want make us international pariahs, we don't pariahs, then do so. we don't think will. i've got think you will. well, i've got some on that this rather some figures on that this rather peculiar rule 39, which is used by the echr . this is an by the echr. this is an international law. this is an additional piece of

jurisprudence that the echr is attached to itself without reference to anybody. now look at the rule under policy. last yeah at the rule under policy. last year, people sitting that plane ready to go. many of willing it to go . there was a judge in to go. there was a judge in chambers in strasbourg, name unknown , written submissions unknown, written submissions only , and that was overturned. only, and that was overturned. and we're now in the process . and we're now in the process. they passed . oh, i was craig they passed. oh, i was craig mckinley there. thank very, very much. serge mp for south thanet mckinley just reacting of course to the latest when it comes to the conservative decision anyway attempts to control the boats crisis. right. coming up, lives here. gentlemen, i will tell you why boomers think casual sex more acceptable than ever before . yes, that's right. baby boomers anti like . apparently, boomers anti like. apparently, you don't want to miss out, do you? we'll reveal all for want of a phrase in just a couple of minutes .

while a one night stand, a fling or , even a conquest, there are or, even a conquest, there are a number of ways of naming it regardless. casual is often seen as something for the younger generations, but according a new study, nearly a third of baby boomers now approve of no attached encounters . data from attached encounters. data from the policy institute at king's college london show that attitudes , casual sex are attitudes, casual sex are changing. we've research. just concluding that when it comes to casual intimacy, the social norm has changed and. the boomers have just followed that . joining have just followed that. joining me now is kate mackenzie , who is me now is kate mackenzie, who is a love coach and a sex relationship therapist. kate thank you very much, guys. great to have on this show. now, does it as a shock you that it come as a shock to you that baby boomers appear on baby boomers appear to on not just embracing norm, but just embracing the norm, but embracing ? at all, embracing each other? at all, patrick? not at all. i mean, if you grown and learned your life, then one possible benefit is

that you might now have more ideas about what you'd like and you might be better navigating how to connect with or how to have a more casual, casual encounter. you might know what your yes. and your know is. and as i say, a great are made , not as i say, a great are made, not born and often good lovers have say cellular out because they know much about who they are . know much about who they are. oh, okay. there you go. well, i've got some facts. sarah polley. so in 2009, just 8% of baby boomers who are born , the baby boomers who are born, the baby boomers who are born, the baby boomers who are born, the baby boomers are people born between 1946, 1964, apparently they casual sex justifiable. so that was 8% but by 2022 this had jumped to 30. so there you go , jumped to 30. so there you go, quite an increase. why do you think people previously had shunned casual sex also of what does casual sex really mean i mean, does it mean knuckle one night stand? is that what that it could all kinds of things. it could mean a play date with

someone. it could mean staying the night with someone. it could be having some kind of connection, a date or flare to the club. it could mean all kinds things. and if you look at our society it's much easier to go on apps now to meet someone there are many more ways of clubs and meetups to meet different people different ways. so this many more options and older people are accessing that just like younger people . do you just like younger people. do you think there was a perception perhaps , maybe once hit perhaps, maybe once people hit a certain age that they like certain age that they were like out pasture and then now out to pasture and then now people think . well, that's not people think. well, that's not the case. it's i still got. the case. it's all i still got. needs absolutely got updated a bit . as you probably know that bit. as you probably know that not long ago if women presenters hit their forties it was thought that by five they're not going to be employable . a court case to be employable. a court case with the bbc changed and you seeing all kinds of women presenters who are over 45 doing all kinds of things same with sex. there was a lot of assumptions that over a certain age because they had sex right.

people still knew and they did but the assumptions our societal values, i think, have changed yet. do you think that a lot of people may be shackled themselves to someone quite early and maybe had kids and early on and maybe had kids and they were with that person for 15, 20 years or something? and then the kids move out and they think, actually, i hate the way you breathe and they got a divorce and then after that they have like i'm going say have like i'm going to say a second absolute live. second coming absolute live. absolutely. and why not. and because it's so much information we're in the age of information really aren't we. you know there there is a lot out for people to go and do all kinds of things have a massage be sexy underwear sex shops on a high street boots so old sex toys. you know we never had this , you know, 15 never had this, you know, 15 years ago, even boots that so things are much more commonplace, much more . and commonplace, much more. and there's all kinds ways to engage. plus is all this stuff

with people , it's not okay to be with people, it's not okay to be prejudiced. so that's including ageism. that's all it's all changing . so what would your changing. so what would your advice be now to people . look, advice be now to people. look, i'm not going to name the individuals in my inbox here because of confidentiality reasons but this particular lady says that her sexual days have gone and that she prefers a good cup of tea instead. what you say to her? well, that's fair enough . oh, there's nothing with that. i mean, it's all choices . it's i mean, it's all choices. it's what? it's whatever you want . what? it's whatever you want. but if you if you felt like you wanted more of a choice, maybe start with thinking about what might be fun. it might be a cup of tea. it might dressing up it might be going. does she if she would just like the cup of tea. there's nothing wrong with that it's whatever the wants it's really whatever the wants and just just one last one because i think body confidence maybe plays part in it potentially dare i say it and i'm not trying to be know in any way insulting to anyone here whatsoever. i mean, the bodies,

the i've been rocking dad the thing i've been rocking dad bod, a number years bod, i have a number of years now annoyance of my now much the annoyance of my films and women as well. you know maybe they've had couple of kids and like that as kids and things like that as well. they feel less well. maybe they feel less confident own. but confident in their own. but would you say that people shouldn't feel less confident? they should just embrace it. well, the thing is, body confidence . it's like anything confidence. it's like anything is something you can you can work on and start to you know, you know, the idea you if you're if you give some water and some sunlight to plant, it'll grow. same with your own. you can kind start to treat yourself whatever size or weight, ability have. start to be nice yourself and your body. and. start to what you've got . and that's the you've got. and that's the beautiful thing about some people is they work with what they've got that's why some older people are great lovers. you're not expecting like old men , older men, they don't have men, older men, they don't have such an easy time with erections. maybe but some of them learn how to be really

great lovers. and that might be a really different lover than someone who can have quick intercourse , their twenties. it intercourse, their twenties. it might be really different as people grow and move different ways. it's great stuff. okay. thank you very much as ever. always a pleasure and enlightening and revealing as well. nick mckenzie , the love well. nick mckenzie, the love coach on sex relationship therapist, reacting to the news today that apparently baby boomers are well , virulence boomers are well, virulence anyway. there's more still to come. i between now and 5:00, i will discuss the new report that claims missing black and asian people are less likely to be found by police than white people. it opens up a massive debate this. forest doesn't say it sees our police racism debate. do you think that's genuine actually is genuine racism or actually is there to it? be there more to it? it will be finding about that. and the nhs is pressure to using is under pressure to stop using the when they are the word woman when they are talking women. the full talking about women. the full story is coming up. find out why. i'm going to why. but first, i'm going to throw over now the latest headunes throw over now the latest

headlines with . patrick. thank headlines with. patrick. thank you.the headlines with. patrick. thank you. the headline is just after half full the prime minister is saying initiatives to tackle illegal migration have started to bear fruit . visiting a home to bear fruit. visiting a home office join control centre in dover , rishi sunak told staff dover, rishi sunak told staff plans prevent small boat crossings must as a deterrent and need be implemented on a much larger scale. he was shown a surveillance drone and taken into a vehicle used to track movements at sea in the commons. the home secretary suella braverman outlined details of the new illegal migration bill. this bill enables detention of illegal arrivals without bail or judicial within the first 28 days of detention until they can be removed . it puts a duty on be removed. it puts a duty on home secretary to remove illegal entrants and will radically narrow the number of challenges appeals that can suspend only

under 18 medically unfit to fly , or at a real risk of serious and irreversible harm and. exceedingly high ball in the country. we are removing them to will be able to delay their . the will be able to delay their. the trial of a man accused of murdering olivia pratt corbell has heard that she was shot after running downstairs to her mother because she was scared . mother because she was scared. the nine year old died after a gunman fired into her home in liverpool last august. manchester court heard the defendant thomas cashman, had been lying wait for his intended target . he been lying wait for his intended target. he denies murder and parts of england and scotland have been blanketed in snow today with temperatures forecast today with temperatures forecast to drop to —55 in some uk regions . more than four inches regions. more than four inches fell in northern scotland and around eight inches are forecast for later on this week. a yellow weather warning for snow and ice remains in place for the area

with tonight expected be the coldest night of the year. far that's all for me. i'm back in half now. yes. got a lot coming way. i'm going to tell you what that is. but before that, i'm going to delve into the sometimes world of inbox. gb views and of my inbox. gb views and gbnews.uk. i've been asking what kind of number you would put on the camp that the the refugee camp that the government implement government wants to implement and are reacting and of course we are reacting together to what suella braverman say. the house braverman have to say. the house of earlier, the latest of commons earlier, the latest tory to , trying to stop all tory plan to, trying to stop all things going on in the channel. david says if france the david says if france took the migrants back from our migrants straight back from our country, well, country, the boats stop. well, yes, will, they're not yes, it will, but they're not going that. all that going to do that. all that anyway. might not want to anyway. macron might not want to do it, i'm sure that we do it, but i'm sure that we could try to him to. oh, could try to force him to. oh, well, i mean. okay. it's bold war with france says war with france part says what we is from the echr. no

we need is from the echr. no countries being invaded the way that we and they need to be. we can't afford it any longer. i think is becoming increasingly obvious to a lot of people that lot of other countries do just ignore. the echr with insignia and more level of regularity we do. and for those people who say well, if we pulled out the echr, we'd be like russia and belarus. yeah, okay. that be right in the sense that they're not opponents of it, but there lot of of it, but there are lot of countries who members , the countries who are members, the echr, who just ignore a lot more than we do. and they are not complete the total complete enough. the total international i imagine international pariahs. i imagine that could be made that the argument could be made people of course would indeed be very about it, that very angry about it, but that might that the tory might be something that the tory party bear if it party has grin and bear if it actually to get these boats stopped. one more now robert says there is no way that human rights going rights lawyers are going to allow this and stop that allow this law and stop that gravy train. robert, you alluded to the legal wranglings that seem take place whenever anyone is scheduled for deportation and am inclined to agree with you. the human rights lawyers clearly

would not want to take place. but like i earlier, maybe there could be ways that law. i'm going to squeeze another one. chris the uk does care chris says the uk does care about numbers. the country's master agenda. is to flood master agenda. wow is to flood labour market with cheap workers now . i do take labour market with cheap workers now. i do take your point labour market with cheap workers now . i do take your point there, now. i do take your point there, but i think chris would make bit more sense for me if we allowed , the asylum seekers who we've currently going hotels to work were essentially are were not so essentially they are just a result of the just taking as a result of the taxpayer are working. but taxpayer are not working. but yes understand point that yes i do understand point that you making now little bit you are making now a little bit later the show, we will later on in the show, we will debate whether we should put a cap on this number of refugees to the country. but to stay in the country. but next, i'm going discuss new next, i'm going to discuss new report people from report that claims people from ethnic missing for ethnic minorities go missing for longer than one people. and are less likely to be found by police. is this evidence of racism or is there more to it? i'm very keen to drill into this. i'll see you shortly. i'm jacob rees—mogg, the member of parliament for north east somerset former somerset and, a former government for years government minister. for years i've corridors of i've walked the corridors of power and city of power in both and the city of london . i campaigned

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channel okay, so welcome back . now the okay, so welcome back. now the charity . oh, sorry. just quickly charity. oh, sorry. just quickly before i got started actually. yes, i just need to tell you that we are going be bringing you a news conference from rishi sunak at 530, and that is in relation to we've talking relation to what we've talking about vast majority of about for the vast majority of this, is, course, the this, which is, of course, the tories attempts to stop tories latest attempts to stop the boats crisis. the small boats crisis. make sure stay tuned. that's at sure you stay tuned. that's at 530 or be bringing you a news conference hopefully live, including sunak so we including rishi sunak so that we go right on the missing people has published a report suggesting black asian

suggesting that black and asian people likely to be people are less likely to be found police their white found by police than their white counterparts . the report also counterparts. the report also found that black and asian children likely to children are likely to be missing for longer with black children% less likely to be found by than children . found by than white children. well, this poses some interesting question, isn't it? is this another example , is this another example, entrenched bias in our police system, or does it point to a deeper problem? joining me now is mike neville, who's a former detective at scotland detective inspector at scotland yard . mike, thank you very much. yard. mike, thank you very much. now a lot of the time when there are cases and there are big person cases and there are big person cases and there are a couple of obvious examples , spring to mind if the missing person is white, it does sometimes appear to go and more media attention . and i wonder if media attention. and i wonder if that's got something to do with it and what you think that's about. it and what you think that's about . well, i run the missing about. well, i run the missing persons unit at lambeth as a detective inspection, and i have to say that some of this race was never an in all this. and i've looked to guardian report and you've got to differentiate

between 14 and 20% over 40. i was not. if you look at the long missing people in this country , missing people in this country, the ones who have absolutely vanished without trace, the madeleine claudia lawrence , madeleine claudia lawrence, andrew gosden, they're all white. and if we see the recent tragedy in south wales and, the obviously with nicola bulley up in lancashire , there were some in lancashire, there were some failings there and all people are white. so i do fear that there's a delving into politics in which guardian of course looked at what was and i think the police and i've been unduly criticised there. and of course if you're missing it depends whether you want to be found all no , no. of course there's some no, no. of course there's some issues of trust , the mistrust of issues of trust, the mistrust of the police and also the black community. and so that might be the case. but when you talk the asian population, the figures are very much similar to the white population. so i really do

think a story has been made out and nothing. okay. interesting because i suppose the implication would be that in our police force, if they're presented a series of missing persons , that they would be persons, that they would be actively out of their way to prioritise missing white people. you just think that exists ? i'm you just think that exists? i'm just saying that's absolute nonsense. it's absolute rubbish. people don't operate in that way the way that somebody would say it, though. so we'll look for the white well, not the black one. there's absolutely. there are course failings. and we see failings with the black mission , as we do with white missing people and here often people. and i'm on here often criticise , guys in the police criticise, guys in the police because they fail to do the detect crime or they focus on some woke nonsense rather than investigating burglaries which affects everybody black, white and asian . but i have to say and asian. but i have to say here that can't find criticism of the police that have matched up on cases but that seems to be just ups and not nothing to do with people's race. yeah i. mean

look i've just got some facts and figures here again. so this report found that 20% of incidents related to black children that went on for longer than 48 hours. this obviously trying missing black trying to find missing black children 14% for asian children compared 14% for asian children, 13% for white children. so as you rightly said, the difference between asian children is asian and white children is basically nothing. there basically nothing. and there is around a 7% increase, of course, when it gets to black children . when it gets to black children. do you think there's sometimes it's fashionable to try to identify race issues, why maybe they don't exist ? of course, they don't exist? of course, race , because there's money to race, because there's money to be made in, as we've seen with everything in this world from from covid to anything . as long from covid to anything. as long as you follow the money and the guardian, there's just cause. and i think terrible charges . and i think terrible charges. i've been involved in youth work ininner i've been involved in youth work in inner for many, many years. and yes, there is some issues with young black men in particular with regards to crime and regards to trusting in the. but i don't think that there's missing again, if you're missing

, what do you want to be found? and if they been found after 40, i was then thank the lord for that and safe because if you look if you search google right now which i do show me the long term missing people i simply vanished in england they're nearly all white and so the police failing in that respect as well . they're not because as well. they're not because these people may have vanished of their own choice. also wicked deal has been done. so the cart found. but yes , police deserve found. but yes, police deserve criticism for many things. but all this i just think it's a game being played by the guardian interests . alright, guardian interests. alright, look, thank you very, very much . she's been great to have you on the show as ever. that is all, of course , monk neville, all, of course, monk neville, who is former detective chief inspector scotland yard, reacting to ultimate report that came out, say anyway, which appeared to suggest you were much less likely to be found in a shorter period time as you a shorter period of time as you happen, a member an ethnic happen, be a member of an ethnic minority he has kind minority community. he has kind of that of poured cold water on that somewhat but moving on somewhat but we'll moving on because of man accused because the trial of man accused

of murdering old of murdering nine year old olivia corbell got underway olivia corbell has got underway today everyone will remember today. everyone will remember this shot inside this case. olivia shot inside her home in liverpool last august. now, thomas cashman is charged with murder. let's go live to manchester court now where our north—west reporter ripper is. sophie, thank you . ripper is. sophie, thank you. what's the latest, please ? well what's the latest, please? well afternoon, patrick. the prosecution's the members of the jury prosecution's the members of the jury exactly what crime scene investigators found that night at kings heath avenue after a shooting had taken place . they shooting had taken place. they were shown images. one of which showed a bullet lodged in the front door of olivia cole bell's home. they also had described to them a shot that went through them a shot that went through the front door. went through cheryl cole. bell's hand . and cheryl cole. bell's hand. and ultimately went through olivia cole bell's chest . that would be cole bell's chest. that would be the bullet that killed the nine year old girl. the jury also shown images of some of the clothing that was from two separate addresses is one was a

pair of navy blue bottoms. they were found house where. the prosecution say thomas cashman fled to after the incident taken place. a further two items were also recovered from thomas cashman sister's house matching navy blue tracksuit jackets , navy blue tracksuit jackets, those tracksuit bottoms and a t—shirt the prosecution told the court that on the t—shirts forensic specialists had thomas cashman's blood and on those tracksuit bottoms . they'd tracksuit bottoms. they'd managed to find a small of gunshot residue that matched the gunshot residue that matched the gunshot residue that was found at the scene of the crime. finally the jury were told about the of thomas cashman's all the way back in september of last year , of course. thomas cashman year, of course. thomas cashman denies , all of the charges that denies, all of the charges that he's facing that day when he was interviewed , he said, i've got interviewed, he said, i've got no involvement at all in any of these crimes that you're putting forward towards. nothing whatsoever. i live in the area,

brought up in the area. whatever the reasons , i've been around the reasons, i've been around the reasons, i've been around the area. but i haven't. no offence . mr. mclaughlin then offence. mr. mclaughlin then concludes the opening statements for the prosecution , putting to for the prosecution, putting to the jury that it was their responsibility to keep emotion and out of it and instead it was their job to and out of it and instead it was theirjob to use and out of it and instead it was their job to use the evidence that they've been given to deter . whether or not the gunman that night was thomas cashman now courts has concluded it for today but it's going to resume tomorrow morning at approximately 10 am. so we're going to be bringing you updates on that as we get them. yes, sophie thank you very, very much. as always sophie reaper there on north—west reporter is outside manchester. crown and will us up to date with . will keep us up to date with. the that really the latest on that really horrendous case. well, moving on from that now and sir graeme brady, chairman of the powerful 22 committee of tory backbenchers, has announced that he will stand down the next general election. this, i believe, is news. the mp for altrincham sale west in greater manchester says 97, said he was

bringing this fascinating and chapter of my life . a close with chapter of my life. a close with me now react to these developments is olivia rutledge political reporter so stepping down as what chairman an mp stepping down as an mp be standing as an mp in the next election. obviously graham brady has a sort of mythical reputation in parliament he's overseen the demise of three prime ministers and he is the man who gets in those letters no confidence which all too as we've seen in recent years begin , heralds the departure of prime minister as it was, lots of interest around him when a prime minister starts becoming bit unpopular. what's really interesting this is that graham brady has a majority of just over 6000, which is relative slim. but in normal times you would expect someone with sort of majority to be able to hold it quite comfortable. obviously it quite comfortable. obviously it feels now though, the tories are going to be losing seats with majorities of around 6000, which is quite bad news for the

tories for example, that graham brady seat is the 75th on labour's hit list and if an mp stands down it tends to mean that they think that their seat is going to go the other way. so really we can read this as sort of temperature test of how mps inside parliament feel that the next election is going to go. it's caveat that because of the boundary changes there will be some seats which were tory which are going to fall to labour just because of technical to the boundaries. but yes, a if we read it a sort of bellwether read it as a sort of bellwether of what's going on, it's not good the conservatives good news for the conservatives who's years old. so you who's 55 years old. so you imagine he more than a few imagine he has more than a few years him if he decided years left in him if he decided that really wanted to do it that he really wanted to do it quite ? this is it. no. for which quite? this is it. no. for which you see an uncle, the tories in the sense you've got the chairman of the 1922 committee. he's basically saying, lot. he's basically saying, i'm lot. well it's in that it well i think it's in that it suggests graeme brady believes and obviously graham brady is a very sound political minds, very

respected in the party. it graham brady clearly believes that the conservative all augur well almost believes the conservatives are going to lose the next election quite badly. thatis the next election quite badly. that is almost ethnically why he's standing down. he believes his is going to go labour his seat is going to go labour and would rather jump before and he would ratherjump before . he's pushed essentially. i that's that's the best way to read it it probably isn't necessarily a sort of vote of no confidence as it were in rishi sunak itself. it's just it would be a bit rich if it was given the way that johnson was ousted and then liz truss was ousted and then liz truss was ousted and then liz truss was ousted and then rishi sunak was imposed on many people. and then if graham that he graham brady decides that he doesn't want to doesn't necessarily want to fight electoral success, i fight for electoral success, i think many people might be quite annoyed about that perhaps. yeah, yeah. but really blame him with that majority just with that majority of just thousand current climate thousand in the current climate very olivia really very much. olivia. olivia really that political reporter that good political reporter just you breaking just bringing you that breaking news, brady is news, this agreeing brady is going step down. okay. all going to step down. okay. all right. moving on from that now. i'm to go. yes. this i'm going to go. yes. this story, which is around 1200, i think just half, have called on

the service to reinstate the health service to reinstate the health service to reinstate the woman onto its website. the word woman onto its website. the nhs uses words like you and people instead of woman and advice on subjects , the advice on subjects, the menopause and childbirth, which is think we can all agree a bit bonkers really. but a large number of doctors, nurses, health practitioners have now asked for the nhs to make the change back to. i'm joined now by williams , who's the by joanna williams, who's the head education and culture , head of education and culture, the exchange. joanna the policy exchange. joanna bnng the policy exchange. joanna bring women back up . absolutely. bring women back up. absolutely. i think what's really shocking. is that the word woman ever taken off all these websites in the first place? whoever thought this was a good idea clearly needs to go back to medical school because it didn't anything about basic and what it actually means to be female, to be a woman . they also don't know be a woman. they also don't know anything about language because you're dealing with medical situations it's actually quite dangerous. i think to remove the word woman because it alienates people . i mean you said the word

people. i mean you said the word woman is being replaced by. you people . i find that actually people. i find that actually preferable to other examples i've seen where the word woman's replaced with things like uterus. however or vagina owner , which are incredibly insulting terms and people for whom engushis terms and people for whom english is not their first language. you might not even that. this is something that's referring to you. but isn't it dehumanising ? that's the thing. dehumanising? that's the thing. i mean, women are much more than just i can't believe i'm saying this uterus hoppers. oh, they absolutely . it's this uterus hoppers. oh, they absolutely. it's dehumanising. it's insulting . i mean, for me, it's insulting. i mean, for me, the worst one in the examples, these websites, it's been picked up is referring to women have suffered a miscarriage , which is suffered a miscarriage, which is one of the hardest things that a woman can ever go through in her life. and the idea that even of that, the word is removed . and that, the word is removed. and it now talks about people who have suffered a miscarriage mean that that's just insulting the extreme that anybody sat there

and thought that this was a good idea. but that was the point. sorry, because when you look at what cultural, whatever the heck this infiltrating things on school and children being brought up with this told from the age of about four. and then you think maybe maybe the medical where sound medical fact will at least be would not do like this but clearly someone who's i dare say may be on a 100 gram plus a year who sits as diversity tsar or whatever they are in the nhs at the taxpayers expense, has somehow managed to say , well, it's offensive to say, well, it's offensive to people if we decide to call them a woman pretty much on their medical records and just been allowed to happen and i mean joanne and i think she'll be massive concern to women everywhere turns joanna that everywhere it turns joanna that maybe to say this maybe and i hate to say this it's quite easy to erase women . it's quite easy to erase women. well absolutely . and given that well absolutely. and given that it's international women's tomorrow , we'll all be being tomorrow, we'll all be being told to go out and kind of

celebrate that . you know, this celebrate that. you know, this just just so, so insulting . but, just just so, so insulting. but, you know, i do think there is a little bit of a good news story in this as well. and for me, good news is that a thousand doctors and nurses have written the letter have about this and have on the nhs this case. they've set, they're not prepared this and prepared to put up with this and they word woman they want the word woman reinstated. now my guess is that a year that might not have a year ago that might not have been that might not been the case, that might not have happened it seem have happened and it does seem positive that more people do feel prepared, confident now to be able to speak back and challenge this. so i think you're absolutely it should neveh you're absolutely it should never, ever have happened in the first place. totally disgusting that is good that it did. but i think is good that it did. but i think is good that people are challenging it. it's definitely pushback it's definitely been a pushback and know from you what and i want to know from you what you happened because, you think has happened because, i significant period i think for a significant period of were scared by words of time were scared off by words like for. and i actually like turf for. and i actually think there's been a bit of a line in the sand drawer for reason or another. and a lot of women saying, no, i am a woman and i'm going to stand up for

this. why do you think been this shift ? yeah, i this. why do you think been this shift? yeah, i think it's this. why do you think been this shift ? yeah, i think it's really shift? yeah, i think it's really important to acknowledge that that's taken place. and i think it's thanks to some really brave women who are in the public eye people like j.k. rowling. my for starters staff have a chance women who've taken a hell of a lot of on social media. i mean, rowling famously has received death threats, she says, to be to paper her entire house, which i'm sure is quite a big house as well. so i'm but i think it's thanks to women like that who really are at risk of undermining the of what we're talking about here with balls. i would say is really put them on the line and really be able to push back. and i think they've opened the space for other people to be able to join them and stick their above the parapet to i think to often these works. let's away with it because they assume everybody else is going to have moral cowardice and not dare to speak out. i thank you very, very much. you certainly will not be silenced. joanna williams, who

is that of education and culture at the policy exchange willingly both sounds like the last tick box that you get to have see box that you get to have to see on an form. look reminder on an nhs form. look a reminder that half past five i will that at half past five i will bnng that at half past five i will bring news conference live bring you a news conference live with rishi sunak and that going to on government's new to be on the government's new plan the migrant crisis. plan to end the migrant crisis. bold. but anyway, the bold. but anyway, after the break, we a debate on break, we will a debate on whether government should break, we will a debate on wheaier government should break, we will a debate on whea cap government should break, we will a debate on whea cap the |overnment should break, we will a debate on whea cap the amountznt should break, we will a debate on whea cap the amount of should put a cap on the amount of refugees settle into the refugees last settle into the country. well, because they country. why? well, because they want you in a few.

hello everybody is patrick christys is right here on gb news with you for the next hour. and he's going to be a big hour because earlier on today heard live from suella braverman, the home secretary in the house of commons she loud outlined it commons she out loud outlined it easy for me to say the tory party plan to stop the small boats crisis essentially means they want deport more people they want to deport more people and put a cap the number of

and put a cap on the number of refugees. massive questions refugees. but massive questions and going to be and they are going to be answered hopefully by this man rishi sunak going to give rishi sunak who is going to give a press conference live right on gb news very very shortly in about half an hour's time. we're also to be hearing from also going to be hearing from a former health secretary as well , slamming matt , who basically is slamming matt hancock. why? what? because he's of holding disabled children ransom in order to get mps to vote for his lockdowns. all that coming your way and much, much more. make sure, you stay tuned to me. patrick christys right here on . gb news. get those here on. gb news. get those emails coming in in just thick and fast. gb views at gbnews.uk i've been asking you throughout the course of the show we do put a cap on the amount of refugees allowed into britain every single year. what should that number be gb views our gbnews.uk. but right now is your advice. we're polly middlehurst

. patrick thank , you and good . patrick thank, you and good evening to you. our top story on gb news tonight the. prime minister says initiatives tackle illegal migration have started to bear fruit visiting a home office joint control centre in dover , rishi sunak told staff dover, rishi sunak told staff plans to prevent small crossings must serve as a deterrent and need be implemented on a larger . he was shown a surveillance drone and taken to a monitoring vehicle used to track movements at sea and in the house of commons today, the home secretary suella braverman outlined of the new illegal migration bill. this bill enables detention of illegal arrivals without bail or judicial review within the first 28 days of detention until they can be removed . it puts a duty can be removed. it puts a duty on the home secretary to . remove on the home secretary to. remove illegal entrants and radically narrow the number, challenges and appeals that consist spend

removal only those under 18 medically unfit to fly or at a real risk of serious irreversible harm and exceeding high ball in the country are removing them to will be able to delay their removal . any other delay their removal. any other claims will heard remotely after removal . the chairman of the removal. the chairman of the 1922 committee has announced he'll down at the next election . sir graham brady has been the conservative mp for altrincham and sale west since 1997. in a statement he said representing my home town in the house of commons has been an immense privilege for which i will always be grateful . he promised always be grateful. he promised to continue campaigning locally and nationally for the return of and nationally for the return of a conservative government . in a conservative government. in other news today, the trial of the man accused of murdering olivia corbell has been told she was shot after running downstairs to her mother because she was scared . nine year old she was scared. nine year old olivia died after. a gunman

fired into her home in liverpool last august . manchester crown last august. manchester crown court heard the defendant thomas cashman had been in wait for his intended target on the evening of the shooting . he denies of the shooting. he denies murder . the of the shooting. he denies murder. the gender gap in the uk has widened with men now paid point 4% more than women . the point 4% more than women. the accountancy firm p.w. sea's report puts the increase down to a sharp rise in childcare costs, which is priced many women out of the workplace altogether . of the workplace altogether. it's also warned at the rate the pay gap is it's also warned at the rate the pay gap is closing, it's also warned at the rate the pay gap is closing , it'll now pay gap is closing, it'll now take more than 50 years to reach gender pay parity . thousands of gender pay parity. thousands of uk travellers have been hit by the disruption caused a general strike in france . dozens of strike in france. dozens of flights and trains had to be cancelled and ferries have been delayed. french workers walking out in protest at president macron's plan to raise the age in the country from . 62 to 64.

in the country from. 62 to 64. and here in the uk cancer research estimates around 75,000 gp appointment s would be up every month if people stopped smoking in england. the charity says smoking remains biggest cause of cancer related deaths and is urging the government to do more to prevent young people from picking up the habit to and current smokers. quit but simon clark, director the smokers group forest, asked where the line would be drawn . smoking line would be drawn. smoking related issues tend to be multifactorial . in other words, multifactorial. in other words, they could be caused by a whole range of issues may have nothing whatsoever to do with their smoking. i mean, there's another group of people of i'm a member which are who are obese. so is the next step going to be to try and end obesity that we save our lives gp appointments . whether lives gp appointments. whether now and parts of northern england and scotland been hit by

a sudden cold snap with temperatures forecast to drop to —15 in some regions. more than four inches of snow have fallen in northern and around eight inches are forecast later this week. a yellow weather warning for snow and ice remains in place with tonight expected to be the coldest night of the year so far . and be the coldest night of the year so far. and it's march now. be the coldest night of the year so far . and it's march now. the so far. and it's march now. the king and queen consort have been in colchester a day to celebrate its new city status. it was awarded the title during the queen's platinum jubilee celebrations last year. the couple visited the city zoo and castle as well as colchester library, where they joined charities aid uk and the silver for tea with local volunteers . for tea with local volunteers. that's it for me. i'm back in half an hour . half an hour. okay ladies and gents, lots to

get through this hour. but we start with our top story today. and of course suella braverman has unveiled plans to detain almost all asylum who arrive on small boats before them to a safe third country. the home secretary told employees it would betray british voters not to tackle the waves of illegal migrants breaching our borders. speaking in the house of commons, she outlined the scale of the problem reiterating that they will not stop coming until they will not stop coming until the world knows they will be detained and sent indefinitely . detained and sent indefinitely. let's be clear , they are coming let's be clear, they are coming here. we've seen . a 521. we've here. we've seen. a 521. we've seen a 500% increase in small boat crossings in two years. and this , mr. speaker, is the this, mr. speaker, is the crucial point of this bill. they will not stop coming here until the world that if you enter britain illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed .

detained and swiftly removed. graham moved back to york country. is it safe or to a safe country. is it safe or to a safe country ? safe third country like country? safe third country like . and that is precisely what this bill will do . that is how this bill will do. that is how we will stop the boats. was worth while noting that she also that she believed that around 100 million people could be eligible come to the uk under the current and regs that we have, which is a shockingly number. and also worth noting that in about 20 minutes time, we're going to be going live to a news conference with the prime minister rishi sunak, who we imagine going to elaborate imagine is going to elaborate a bit what's suella bit more on what's suella braverman that in that. but braverman said that in that. but this new also the this new bill also the government power to an government the power to set an annual the number annual cap on the number refugees into the refugees accepted into the country with local authorities currently being consulted on how many numbers they can take. so we cap the number of refugees allow into the uk or will do more to harm than good. joining

me now , the director of the me now, the director of the centre for migration and economic prosperity, stephen wolf. i am also joined by independent statistician and political commentator jamie jenkins , thank you very much, jenkins, thank you very much, both of you. stephen you just told me about this and do you think we should have a cap on the amount refugees we take every year? i think it's really a reasonable thing to do. you suggest we do have cap. we suggest we do have a cap. we should a cap on a lot of should have a cap on a lot of things, really? because as saw very in clip from very clearly in that clip from swellable the swellable braverman, the recognition that the numbers of people coming in claiming asylum both legal genuine both are legal and genuine and are spending £7 are huge and we're spending £7 million a day on housing 10 billion for four year control and over the course of the year £8 billion is an estimates of what it cost the uk exchequer to cover immigration and then asylum in this country. so holding a cap is a good idea. and let me just say about today suella braverman and rishi sunak have managed to achieve something that many home secretaries and prime ministers haven't , which is use haven't, which is use legislation then to sideswipe

those in the immigration legal industry. it's a positive for them and there's plenty in this to be challenged. but i think of it will will we find it very difficult for those challenging them . and also it's an them. and also it's an incredible bully bad day for the people smugglers who will see their model being today. okay. well, that's a positive take on the situation. going to get you to elaborate that in just a matter of moments. but i'll bnng matter of moments. but i'll bring jenkins bring in now. jamie jenkins independence statistician and political commentator. do you think we should a cap on the think we should put a cap on the number of refugees that we welcome britain ? yeah. good welcome into britain? yeah. good afternoon, patrick. so i think what stephen's saying is pretty much spot on in terms of the refugee of things because remember, you know, why do we need immigration coming into the country all? if you country at all? well, if you look the population look at the population projections for the next 20 years, partly because we're having fewer births to the total fertility rate is on the so we're not having enough births to replace people who will die. we'll actually lose a million people the population

people in the population by 2040. need to have more 2040. so you need to have more wider immigration which is you would classed as the kind of the more immigration ensure more legal immigration to ensure you've people of you've got enough people of the working moment working age at the moment because fertility that's because of the fertility that's declined over the last ten or 20 years. so you need some numbers there, but the challenge with there, but the challenge with the kind of the refugees patrick is they can't come in when is that they can't come in when they cost them they work they cost them actually to they can't come actually 14 to they can't come to to the economy and to contribute to the economy and i to go to like i think stephen's to go to like 7 million people today the numbers looking numbers i'm looking at is probably to £10 million probably closer to £10 million a day overall. you can't day overall. and you can't continue this kind huge continue with this kind huge bill say, three a half bill of, say, three and a half billion pounds a year. so i think a on refugees is think a cap on refugees is important, you've got to important, but you've got to look the wider look at the more wider immigration kind birth of immigration and kind of birth of policy the country over the policy for the country over the ten or 20 years, because that's just critical as sorting this out. okay. alright, now, stephen, understand that. bear stephen, i understand that. bear in we are about to hear in mind we are about to hear from sunak supposedly in from rishi sunak supposedly in about time a news about 20 minutes time as a news conference. a lot of the conference. and a lot of the question marks this. well question marks about this. well well, a minute. any well, hang on a minute. is any of actually to be of this actually going to be legal stephen, you might

of this actually going to be legala stephen, you might of this actually going to be legala little tephen, you might of this actually going to be legala little bithen, you might of this actually going to be legala little bit of], you might of this actually going to be legala little bit of insight1ight of this actually going to be legala little bit of insight for|t have a little bit of insight for us. well, i talked to us. yeah, well, i talked to people in the home office, they've been giving out to the press other people over the press and other people over the course and is course of the day. and what is very to is three very clear to me is three significant elements. the first of is the legal rights on of those is the legal rights on the home home secretary to actually have these provisions place illegal migrants place to remove illegal migrants . that's crucial because that's the first time that's ever been done. h the first time that's ever been done. it forces the home done. and it forces the home office, government, be office, the government, to be able ensure they have policies and procedures to them. secondly they recognise that there will be legal , but they recognise that there will be legal, but they put a really high . they're saying that you high. they're saying that you can still claim asylum, but it doesn't have be in this country. you can take to rwanda and what is very clear to us and what they make very clear us is that, yes, at the moment whilst this is going through parliament, you will them in future of will hear from them in future of the deals pipeline , but the deals in the pipeline, but they tell us which they can't tell us which countries and where. and thirdly what's really crucial about is the way that they've really superbly been able to use law to

prevent the slip modern slavery laws . european court of human laws. european court of human rights and still enable us to be within them yet prevent people from being able to use them in. the first tier tribunal, which is crucial . so they've done this is crucial. so they've done this brilliantly and would say that looking through this is very positive. there will be still issues. i'm certain that the those involved in the other side of the argument will challenge, but i there's a lot of positives here. and i'm for one who's been monitoring this for many, many. just to clarify on that, stephen before i go out to jamie, so it's along lines it's something along the lines the that they the further correctly that they will still be able to to the will still be able to say to the courts, are these people, courts, we are these people, asylum, just here? that's correct. so don't have to offer them the asylum process in the uk. they're you can take them as you saw if we suella braverman in rwanda. but i believe that there will be other countries that they can take them to. secondly there's bar of secondly there's a high bar of got to be like severe reasons of

why you're you want to stay here for example health. but as we know 80% roughly of all of them are coming over young men. so that's fit and healthy . so they that's fit and healthy. so they will no longer be able to comply with section eight of the human rights act so, again the rights act or. so, again the clamping down on that and they'll be clamping on family requirements, too. so they're going to minimise the number of people generally claim people could generally claim asylum here within 28 days. asylum here within the 28 days. well that is fascinating, jamie. just going go to you now. just going go back to you now. do think that more people do you think that more people should at the should be looking at the picture, as population picture, such as population growth and birth rates from what you were saying? and essentially we should that saying we should be that saying refugees because we need refugees welcome because we need we need more . is that right? we need more. is that right? well, no, i'd probably say what you've got is because the kind of the facility you raised, i remember my gration policy over the last 20 years will have an impact because we've had such an influx migration over the last 20 years. that was a huge on services. we've seen house pnces services. we've seen house prices go up to the region. some families having fewer children

now, which you need the children to come through system to to come through the system to pay to come through the system to pay the pensioners because pay for the pensioners because we ageing as we are an ageing population as well so past migration has an impact the number of children people have. so it kind of perpetuates the problem. but we do need to kind of open our eyes in terms of our overall demographic in country demographic in this country because know, of because you know, the kind of the government's figures themselves know, themselves say that, you know, to maintain the percentage of the population, we're the working population, we're going hundred thousand going to need hundred thousand migrants the next 10 to 20 migrants over the next 10 to 20 years per year. and that's quite a number. this just adds a large number. this just adds to stocks services . just to the stocks and services. just i'm gonna ask to delve i'm just gonna ask you to delve a for me because i'll a bit more for me because i'll suspect that one of the reasons why people having as many children, as perhaps we could or should living should, is because the living conditions aren't necessarily great getting on housing ladder are a lot later . maybe they just are a lot later. maybe they just feel that are the public services equipped to deal with the people who were already in terms of school places , etc, and terms of school places, etc, and maybe mass immigration has had a part to play in that. so how

would introducing even more people to that situation it any better? well, that's the kind of the short term a long term solution, obviously, patrick is to try and get the birthrate up. but you hit nail on the head that because of the past 20 years of migration, having a big impact on the kind of wider demographic, the reason people are having children later, actually, is because of house prices. people aren't cohabit with a partner until much later, which obviously reduces number of children. you may have as well. so the government really needs to get a grip on. this this is a really important issue stopping the small boats. my big concern think with policy concern think with this policy patrick you know we're patrick is, you know we're talking potentially well talking the potentially well over 80,000 potentially over 60, 70, 80,000 potentially this get this year if they don't get everybody. we've got a huge backlog , 160,000 in the system. backlog, 160,000 in the system. and there's way a third and there's no way a third country going take them country is going to take them all so that's going to all of these. so that's going to be proof going to be in be the proof is going to be in the in terms of what they the put it in terms of what they can actually when they get some new laws place, i okay, new laws place, i think. okay, great. give you great. so stephen, just give you the on this, too you

the final word on this, too you just specifically because i know that you've had a bit of insight earlier to some of the earlier on as to some of the government's plans. they just just through why you are just run it through why you are happy this? because people happy about this? because people have been a doom gloom about have been a bit doom gloom about it. say it's little hot it. they say it's a little hot air, you are quite content air, but you are quite content with i've with you've heard. yes, i've been critical the over the been critical of the over the past three or four years on this policy. but what does do today is those people who is by saying those people who get a boat the get into a boat that from the 7th of when you arrive 7th of march, when you arrive our you will longer our shores, you will no longer be claim asylum here. be able to claim asylum here. and if you'll remove, you can be removed to a different country for assessment. you fail, for assessment. and if you fail, you never be able to you will never be able to have the right come back. now look the right to come back. now look at as an issue for at that as a as an issue for people smuggler who the people smuggler who over the past or four years has said as soon as you get to the uk you'll be able to get into a house, you'll to a hotel, you'll get you'll go to a hotel, you'll get health education. that health care, education. that model and the only way model has gone and the only way that it preserved is if those that it be preserved is if those who support as many those who support as many of those asylum boat people asylum and channel boat people coming over when in the course and why it's important. the second case is that the legal

teams or the home office have worked really to narrow down the to make claims in the courts. they've reduced the number opportunities for using different issues such as people and trafficking and also the echr and the human rights act and that's positive. and both those together we've future policies that we'll see coming through which is greater removals and detention numbers , removals and detention numbers, planes that are going to come out , places planes that are going to come out, places that planes that are going to come out , places that they're planes that are going to come out, places that they're going to be detained. and i believe greater numbers, countries that will take more more people . will take more and more people. i going to be very i think that's going to be very positive will positive. and rishi sunak will win in the polls certainly in the north if he manages to achieve this before the summer well, we're going to hearing well, we're going to be hearing live from , i understand it, in live from, i understand it, in about 10 minutes time. of about 10 minutes time. both of you, you very, very much. you, thank you very, very much. it of course, the direct it was, of course, the direct sale the centre for migration sale of the centre for migration and prosperity. stephen and economic prosperity. stephen woolf independent woolf on the independent statistics giant and politician political commentator. jamie jenkins political commentator. jamie jenkinthat. okay look, after all of that. okay look, after the break, a former health

secretary gives his verdict on the leaked messages from the latest leaked messages from hong i ask , how hong kong. and i will ask, how often do ministers really bully into voting how they want them ? into voting how they want them? make sure that you say shame because remember , in a matter of because remember, in a matter of moments, we will bring that as the amnesty for people. a news conference rishi sunak conference with rishi sunak and his questions about the government's to the government's plans to tackle the migrant we you migrant crisis. we gave you cracking preview it. i'll be cracking preview of it. i'll be back more

you a news you a news conference you a news conference rishi sunak from half past. he's going to be talking about the government's plans to tackle the migrant crisis. big new plan supposedly. so we'll bring that to you live but i think we've got time to sneak in a little bit of something else before then because hancock then because matt hancock supped then because matt hancock slipped messages i know slipped whatsapp messages i know okay fatigued okay people are a bit fatigued this actually is this but this actually is fascinating because conservatives james daly so he's banng conservatives james daly so he's baring that mp read woolsey that

he's appalled and disgusted by the latest revelations in a series of tweets and it's strongly suggested that hancock discussed withholding funds for a learning disability centre in daly's constituency of north to pressure him to not rebel against the coronavirus restrictions. so jane bury , restrictions. so jane bury, whose son does his differently abled , described the disclosure abled, described the disclosure as an absolute disgrace and call mr. hancock to be hold before the commons for questioning. it's worth noting that sir james he did vote against what my wanted him to vote for and that particular sense of approach we learned, has still not being built . learned, has still not being built. stephen learned, has still not being built . stephen doyle joins learned, has still not being built. stephen doyle joins me now. he's former health secretary. so he's relevant in this case because i want to know really first and foremost, whether or not you it isn't anything this although i doubt you tell me if he did but also how commonplace is stuff like this? if this is this is bully boy tactics of the highest order trying strong an mp into trying to strong an mp into voting for and potentially voting for you and potentially be disabled kids the

be using disabled kids as the bargaining . well, i agree bargaining chip. well, i agree with every word of that . it true with every word of that. it true that whips ministers apply pressure , mps support government pressure, mps support government policy when mps are reluctant . policy when mps are reluctant. of course it's true. and that's a persuasion process . but it a persuasion process. but it ought to be a persuasion with very clear . and i think the key very clear. and i think the key issue that comes out of this case with james daley is actually the same issue as comes out of quite a lot of the of these hancock whatsapp messages this inadequate process that the government ought to be ministers and whips will apply pressure to mps to support them. but that should be independent of the allocation of public resources is to deliver public and there should be proper process around that which is enforced by the civil service . have you ever

civil service. have you ever seen in your time as a politician any one say to an mp i will not build a facility for disabled children . you don't disabled children. you don't vote for what i you to vote for. no i do. you ever seen anything remotely that look? in fairness, i actually think this threat that was discussed in the whatsapp messages from what i understand never actually delivered. i believe james daley says he never knew this was promised so it could hardly be withdrawn. it hasn't been promised . that's that's not promised. that's that's not really the point, is it? the point is that it was being speculated this was a legitimate use of ministerial power ? it use of ministerial power? it plainly is not. no exactly. it does raise serious questions. i think about matt hancock as a black now from what we've seen in these whatsapp messages matt hancock does , they're selective, hancock does, they're selective, etc. i will be reading a statement from my uncle a little bit later on so there's that. but appear that he

but it would appear that he didn't really do everything he could to preserve lives of elderly people in care homes. it would appear that he didn't do everything he could to promote children's education. often it would appear that he didn't particularly everything he particularly do everything he could civil could to actually preserve civil liberties the liberties and freedoms. and the advice there , advice of the scientists there, everyone's off of that. now, he was willing to allow disabled children in bury to suffer in a sense . i mean at what point do sense. i mean at what point do you start to question whether or not he's quite evil . well not he's quite evil. well i don't believe matt hancock is an evil man and that comes you've asked me an issue a question about the principle at stake here and i've told you what i think is the right answer , the think is the right answer, the principles, which is that ministers and whips will seek to persuade to support them . but persuade to support them. but there are should be limits to that. there are should be limits to that . the allocation of public that. the allocation of public resources should be governed by proper governance process that i think those are the principles that are involved. but if you're

inviting me to, join a kind of witch hunt on matt hancock as an evil man, i'm going to say, no, i don't. i subscribe to that. i think there are some very unwise throwaway lines , these whatsapp throwaway lines, these whatsapp messages. i think , reveal messages. i think, reveal inadequate process. but i don't believe . they reveal an evil man believe. they reveal an evil man . yes. okay. now, look , the . yes. okay. now, look, the goings on behind the scenes in the games of human chess, that's a play in politics, all the stuff of legend, everyone saying things like the thick of it, and everyone's aware various everyone's aware of various different politicians, diaries. it no shock to it will come as no shock to anyone sometimes underhand anyone that. sometimes underhand tactics but your tactics are used. but in your view, if this has happened. and if the sense of the children with learning disabilities was not built in very north as a result of james daley not voting, whether we knew it or not, not voting for this, do you think that crosses a line? yes, i do think it crosses line. but if it were if a decision was made to undermine the quality of

pubuc made to undermine the quality of public services because an mp cast a vote one way rather than another, that's a legitimate use of ministerial discretion. but i don't think any evidence at all that that actually happened in this case. okay, steve, we look thank you very much. i always appreciate your stephen doyle, that former health secretary going to read matt hancock spokesperson's it spokesperson's statement. now it says, we repeatedly seen says, as we have repeatedly seen last is completely last week, it is completely wrong to take entirely wrong to take this entirely partial account and write it up as fact. what being accused here never happened . thus, i think we never happened. thus, i think we can all agree, is definitely that i'm going to delve that right? i'm going to delve my because like i've my inbox now because like i've said shortly, in fact, just in a matter of moments, we are hoping to our prime minister lie to take our prime minister lie as a big news conference . he's as a big news conference. he's going to elaborate, is going to stand that. going to stand that. he's going to elaborate on what suella braverman to in the braverman had to say in the house of commons earlier the government is launching he has again i know that solutions again i know that big solutions to crisis and to the migrant crisis and it essentially around being essentially centres around being to more people and then to deport more people and then capping number of refugees capping the number of refugees we accept. interesting from what

we accept. interesting from what we from stephen wolf earlier on that has insight from that who has an insight from home office sources about how they they might get around they think they might get around some the legal ramifications some of the legal ramifications to they want to . there were to what they want to. there were massive marks as to massive question marks as to okayif massive question marks as to okay if you want to do of these things like deport more people and maybe put a cap on legally as long as we are a member of the echr. oh, well you're not going to be to do it. well, going to be able to do it. well, we're in they might have found a loophole, which is that we are still technically going to be offering asylum, but that offering people asylum, but that asylum to be asylum is just not going to be in this country. could that be the legal boffins the suella the big legal boffins the suella braverman alluding to , had braverman was alluding to, had to i have been to say earlier, i have been asking you, of course, whether or you would put a cap on or not you would put a cap on refugees entering this country and of responding and lots of you of responding gbviews@gbnews.uk . david thinks gbviews@gbnews.uk. david thinks there should be a 95% cap on people coming over. i don't know whether it'll ask the 95% reduction, but that we go also, christine is said , i've been christine is said, i've been listening intently to your program today. thank you very much, christine. i only

much, christine. i can only apologise and heard both apologise and i've heard both going to happen to illegal immigrants. that's already hey, i heard what's going to i have not heard what's going to happen immigrants happen to illegal immigrants that are already here. yes, christine, concern is i christine, the concern is i think we all are that there might some kind amnesty. so might be some kind amnesty. so thank for all of thank you very much for all of your but before we go to your emails. but before we go to where she said it is supposedly going to take to that plinth at any moment in time. i'm joined by henry bolton, who is, of course , expert when it comes to course, expert when it comes to all things border security. henry, very just henry, thank you very much. just preview little bit for me what preview a little bit for me what you're expecting sident to say in just a matter of minutes. what i he's going to say what i think he's going to say much same. a problem much the same. that's a problem and house of commons and has in the house of commons today. think going to today. but i think he's going to add know, this is one of my add you know, this is one of my five promises and he's going to emphasise i he feels emphasise that i think he feels confident is going to confident that this is going to move forward. i think he wants to probably move a to also probably move agenda a little from the little bit away from the scrutiny agreement. the scrutiny of his agreement. the european he's had genuine european union, he's had genuine they serious but they have some serious but generally the to him now i'm sorry, sir i mean we're going to

downing street right now where we can listen to rishi sunak, i believe, discussing the latest when to these plans to when it comes to these plans to tackle the crisis. let's take it you decide who comes here and not criminal gangs. now the first step is understand the nature and scale of what we are deaung nature and scale of what we are dealing the number people entering the uk illegally in small boats has more than quadrupled in just the last two years. those crossing the channel are not directly fleeing a war torn country or persecuted or an imminent threat life. they have travelled through safe european countries. they are paying european countries. they are paying people smugglers huge to make this dangerous and sometimes tragic journey. now the that criminal gangs continue to bring small boats over here because they know that our system can be that once illegal migrants make a multitude of

asylum modern slavery and spunous asylum modern slavery and spurious human rights to frustrate their removal and the risk that those individuals just disappear into the black economy and that is the reality. we must deal with and with 100 million people displaced the world. if we do not deal with it now the city asian will just get worse and worse . people must know that and worse. people must know that if they come here illegally , it if they come here illegally, it will result in their detention and swift removal . once this and swift removal. once this happens and they know it will happen, they will not come. and the boats will stop . that is why the boats will stop. that is why today we are introducing legislation to make clear that if you come here illegally you can't claim asylum , you can't can't claim asylum, you can't benefit from our modern slavery protections . you can't make protections. you can't make spunous

protections. you can't make spurious human rights claims and you stay . we will detain those you stay. we will detain those who come here illegally and then them in weeks either to their own , if it is safe to do so, or own, if it is safe to do so, or to a safe third country like rwanda . and once you are removed rwanda. and once you are removed , you will be banned as. rwanda. and once you are removed , you will be banned as . you are , you will be banned as. you are in america and australia from ever re—entering our country. this is how we will break business model of the people smugglers. but this is how we will take back control of our borders. now this bill provides the legal framework needed to deliver this in a way that no other legislation has done before . this is tough , but it is before. this is tough, but it is necessary and it is fair. before. this is tough, but it is necessary and it is fair . and necessary and it is fair. and this legislation will be retrospective. if you on a small boat today , the measures in this boat today, the measures in this bill will apply you and this is just part of what we are doing.

i've always been clear that this a complex problem that can't be solved overnight and will require us to use every tool at our disposal. that is why i have already secured the largest ever small boats deal france and patrols on french beaches are already up 40. i also progress on enforcement and we've increased raids on illegal working by 50. i've also a new deal with albania which accounted for a third of all small boats arrivals and that's already we've returned hundred illegal migrants to albania and we are seeing far fewer come as a result . we are seeing far fewer come as a result. this we are seeing far fewer come as a result . this shows that there a result. this shows that there is nothing inevitable about illegal migration . deterrents illegal migration. deterrents works and with will and determination the government can get on top of it and we will. now this will always be a compact minute and generous

country . it is something that country. it is something that we're all rightly proud of . look we're all rightly proud of. look at how we've welcomed ukrainians. syrians from refugee camps and embraced hong congo's fleeing the chinese clampdown . fleeing the chinese clampdown. but the current situation is moral nor it cannot go on. it's completely unfair on the british people who have opened their homes to genuine but are now having to spend nearly £6 million a day to put up a illegal in hotels . it's unfair illegal in hotels. it's unfair on people who come to this country legally to see others skipping the queue and it's devastate unfair on those who most need our help but can't get it as our asylum system is being overwhelmed by those travelling across the channel if we can't , across the channel if we can't, the boats, our to help genuine

refugees in future will be constrained full control of our borders will allow us to decide who help and to provide safe and legal routes for those most in need. legal routes for those most in need . now i understand there need. now i understand there will be debate about the of these measures . all i can say is these measures. all i can say is we have tried it every other way and it has not worked . so i say and it has not worked. so i say again my policy is very simple . again my policy is very simple. it is this country and government who should decide comes here not criminal gangs and. i will do whatever is necessary to achieve that . thank necessary to achieve that. thank you . it would take some you. it would take some questions from the media if we could start with the bbc . thank could start with the bbc. thank you private sector space and bbc news . if by the time of the next news. if by the time of the next

general election you haven't stopped the boats, will you have failed ? thanks, chris. so look , failed? thanks, chris. so look, i wouldn't be standing here. i didn't think that i could deliver on this . beginning here, deliver on this. beginning here, i stood up in front of the british people , five promises, british people, five promises, and one of them was to stop the boats. and since i've had this job, i spent a lot of time thinking long and, hard about how to solve this problem. and i'm confident that the bill we're introducing today will help do that. it will mean help us do that. it will mean that for the first time we will have a system whereby if people come illegally , they won't come here illegally, they won't be stay. they'll be be able to stay. they'll be detained they'll be swiftly detained and they'll be swiftly removed we deliver on removed. and as we deliver on that , people will see that there that, people will see that there no point in coming here. we will have deterrence effect . but have that deterrence effect. but i've also been clear throughout that this is a complicated problem . there is no one silver problem. there is no one silver bullet and the legislation. of course, it's really important . course, it's really important. that's why today is important. but it's one of the many things we are doing we need to cooperate with allies

cooperate with our allies particularly the french, which is deal the home is why deal that the home secretary i worked on at the end of last year is so important . we of last year is so important. we hope to continue deepening and strengthening cooperation hope to continue deepening and strenthezning cooperation hope to continue deepening and strenthe french cooperation hope to continue deepening and strenthe french ccothertion with the french and other european why the european allies. it's why the deal announced with albania deal we announced with albania is important i think it is, so important and i think it just pulls on that for a second. albania accounted for over around a third of all illegal migrants last year, but because of the steps that we've put in place , new deal that we've place, new deal that we've announced , what we're seeing now announced, what we're seeing now is we're returning hundreds of people back to albania and we're seeing the numbers come down considerably . so that shows to considerably. so that shows to me that if we this right, it will make a. now we're in the early of it, but we've given it a long hard thought. and, you know, i at the beginning of the year that you know, i irony promise. well i believe i can deliver and i will absolutely deliver and i will absolutely deliver on what i promise . and deliver on what i promise. and that's what we're going to do today. don't stop the boats. we're stopping . yeah, but all of

we're stopping. yeah, but all of these things play their part is that no one thing is the answer to this question. right. and that the point. the that is the point. the legislation is absolutely critical. is no to critical. there is no way to stop the boats without this but stop the boats without this. but this on their own this legislation on their own won't do it. that's why? we need all the other things that i've talked about as well. all of those things will help achieve that of stopping the boats. that goal of stopping the boats. but i promise. i but as i said, i promise. i promise. what deliver. i promise. what can deliver. and i will deliver what i promise. and that's what we said we would do . what will do right . that's what we will do right next. got it . and prime next. we've got it. and prime minister , you talked about the minister, you talked about the importance of swift removal , importance of swift removal, more than two thirds of asylum seekers don't come from albania . how is it? compat able, with the british tradition sins of humanity and compare passion that you criminalising . that you criminalising. incarcerating for ten? surely for statelessness, homelessness

, destitution on asylum seekers, many of whom are , as you accept, many of whom are, as you accept, vulnerable and traumatised before you have in place agreements third countries to which you could move in a swift way, in your words , those asylum way, in your words, those asylum seekers this this is a country that has been open , that has been open, compassionate and generous to those in need just in the last few years, since 2015, we've welcomed almost half a million people to this country , a people to this country, a million from ukraine, from syria from afghanistan, from hong kong. that's all record. that's all compassion. and everyone should be incredibly proud that. oh, yeah, but what is not compassionate is to allow the current situation to persist. there is nothing about vulnerable people to perish in the channel. we had a stark of that just a few weeks ago . the

that just a few weeks ago. the coast of italy, when over 50 people died, including children right. people being exploited by criminal gangs and smugglers. i just at dover earlier today talking the teams that have to deal with this on the ground as the home secretary the immigration minister see almost every week. but there's nothing compassionate about that situation there's situation persisting and there's nothing compassion to offer about not being able to help about us not being able to help the truly emotive people around the truly emotive people around the world because our system is being overwhelmed by those who are jumping the queue and coming here illegally . and they are not here illegally. and they are not the most vulnerable. they are through multiple safe european countries. they are paying people thousands of pounds to get here. so i want to move to a system where we break that cycle . we deter people from coming here illegally jumping the queue . and actually we as a country can then make sure that we decide who come, who we bring here, how, and make sure that we target compassion, that generosity and support on the world's truly vulnerable people. and that's why the legislation

that we're announcing today, not only does the things that we needit only does the things that we need it to do to break cycle and give us the powers we need to send people back. but it also allows parliament to set a quota on how many people we welcome here on the safe and legal routes as we've done so brilliantly in the last four years. i think that's the type of system that would come on broad right and think broad support. right and i think that's the right thing that's not just the right thing to i think it's actually the to do. i think it's actually the and compassionate thing to do because current is because the current system is broken not fair on broken and it's not fair on anybody. sooner we put anybody. the sooner we can put anybody. the sooner we can put an and focus all support an end to and focus all support on most need it. i think on those most need it. i think the better off everyone will be. but if you expel yet, why but if you can't expel yet, why do you think small will do you think the small will stop? well, the legislation is a necessary step of being able to return either to their own country, where it's to do so or to a safe alternative like rwanda. and i'd we already are returning people. you've you've mentioned albania. albania accounted for a third of all illegal migrants last year because deal that we because of the deal that we struck and the new procedures we've put in place. we are now

returning hundreds of people back albania. that's back to albania. and that's right. right right. and that's the right thing do. we need to focus thing to do. we need to focus our resources, focus on generosity , compassion on the generosity, compassion on the world's truly vulnerable people. that's what i want do. i think that's what the volunteer to the country wants to do, too, at the moment, that's not possible because overwhelmed because we're overwhelmed with people queue, people who are jumping queue, breaking and that's breaking the laws, and that's right. that's what we're right. and that's what we're going change next. sky thank going to change next. sky thank you, prime minister. five years ago the then secretary, sajid javid, said was going to make this route unviable . since then, this route unviable. since then, we've know we've seen tens , we've know we've seen tens, thousands of people in the last five years where. do you think your predecessors went wrong? why are you different ? and can i why are you different? and can i also ask, what does success look like you? will you be setting a target for where you want the numbers for many years time? so this is not about dwelling on past because the situation has just got far worse . as i said in just got far worse. as i said in my remarks earlier in the last

two years, you talked about when sanjeev was home secretary just in the last few years, the of people crossing the channel illegally have than quadrupled . illegally have than quadrupled. right that is the scale of is happening and they're forecast get worse. and the other thing is not just us right. so anyone who thinks this is just a uk specific problem isn't being with this is happening with you. this is happening across like europe last across europe like europe last year something like 63% year or something like 63% increase in the numbers of illegal migrants. one of the highest numbers they've experienced in almost a decade. and globally this and that's because globally this is a challenge and it's only going to get worse unless we do something novel that we do bold to and stop it and that's to try and stop it and that's what our legislation today now in its success is a the boats success is having a system that people here illegally are returned back to their own country where it's safe or alternative. and if we can get that working, as i'm confident that working, as i'm confident that we will be able to, as we already are with albania, we will see the numbers come down

because people will see that it is not worth their while to risk their lives to pay gangs. thousands of pounds for something that ends up, not what they expect and that is the system that we're going to deliver. we've always said, deliver. now, we've always said, as questions earlier as said to the questions earlier , there's no one silver bullet to this . i said, only do we to this. i said, not only do we need legislation to be need the legislation to be implemented make sure that implemented and make sure that that we can implement that that that we can implement that as quickly as possible, also as quickly as possible, we also need with our need to cooperate with our allies we need to make sure that we keep signing returns. we need to we're doing on to step up what we're doing on immigration as. we immigration enforcement as. we are. are increasing are. and raids are increasing dramatically. there's all the dramatically. so there's all the different things that we need to do and we're going to do all them. we're firing on all cylinders to correct this problem and people can us our problem and people can us on our results. we've only been in this job months we're already job a few months we're already making and making i think more progress and we've a long and as we've made in a long and as a result of this legislation then i think we have something that is done anything is very we haven't done anything like before and it gives us like this before and it gives us the tool we need to implement the tool we need to implement the system described. and the system i described. and

we've further . anyone's we've gone further. anyone's gone it's right . we're gone before. it's right. we're doing because the situation doing that because the situation has it was has got far worse than it was just two years ago. but we're responding . we're responding responding. we're responding tough with tough measures. but they all responsible. they all and crucially, they're fair . but and crucially, they're fair. but you're not setting specific targets in of the numbers. i think you people will judge us on our results . and i said we're on our results. and i said we're already seeing the results illegal . migration rates up 50% illegal. migration rates up 50% since we announced the proposals to do that with robert at the end of last year. to do that with robert at the end of last year . already end of last year. already hundreds of people being returned to albania. we're getting the backlog down as well, down by 6000 just in the last couple of months, we've improved all the processes that you deal with the french at end of last year, hopefully further to come. we promised new i'm standing here today with the home secretary introducing it so we all we all continue to deliver the things that we said . i'm highly confident that as we keep moving forward, people will a difference on will see a big difference on

this . next the yorkshire and lbc this. next the yorkshire and lbc firstly minister you mean to the president emmanuel macron later this week, did accept that in order to be success with this policy you are going to need his fulsome cooperation. what are you prepared to offer him in return and, if i may, just very briefly on two grade, do you still have faith in the integrity of her reporting to participate on on sue gray? it's as know the cabinet office is reviewing the circumstances of her departure. i'm not going to pre—empt i'm not going to pre—empt. so i'm not going to comment on on that situation . comment on on that situation. with regard to the french, it, as you heard me say before, there's no one silver bullet to solving this problem. it's it is a complex problem and we need to use all the levers, all the tools at our disposal all and a crucial one of those is cooperate with not just the french but also with our other allies. i was really after

allies. so i was really after i became prime minister having spoken to president macron , we spoken to president macron, we managed to get the calais up and running. so out of the home secretary attend to that. that's because that's not just france. that's other northern european countries coming together to discuss issue the shared discuss this issue the shared challenge that we all face and how we can work together to solve it. well at that meeting happened actually some very happened and actually some very tangible things out of tangible things coming out of about sharing and about data sharing and cooperation. our enforcement agencies which is great specifically with the french, we announced a new deal, the biggest deal that we've had for more patrols on beaches up 40% significant and better cooperation and collaboration between our teams again i've just got back from dover talked to them about the benefit and the difference of that collaboration works and i'm very grateful actually i put on record my thanks as the home secretary i know she's been over there and spoken to them herself and grateful to the cooperation and grateful to the cooperation and collaboration and support, and collaboration of french teams on the of the french teams on the ground. they work very closely

with and because of with our teams and because of the work do. you know, the work that they do. you know, they intercept around about they help intercept around about half attempted half of all the attempted crossings . and number crossings. and that number varies. moment it's varies. and at the moment it's on way up, which is great on the way up, which is great news. but that's part of the conversation that we'll be having is we having on friday is how we strengthen and deepen and broaden cooperation. but broaden that cooperation. but this shared this is ultimately shared challenge you're challenge and actually you're seeing know, seeing across europe, you know, france looking at new laws to france is looking at new laws to tighten up their asylum regime. germany appointed a special germany has appointed a special commissioner on asylum italy is looking at new laws to talk about how they regulate search and rescue operations in. the mediterranean, because many are facing the same challenge . and facing the same challenge. and actually, if we work together, it's going be easier for us to deal with it, particularly on upstream cooperation of our law enforcement agencies is because the best thing we can do is, try and disrupt the gangs. you know , right the beginning, at , right at the beginning, at source end up arriving source before end up arriving here. and that's the kind of work that can do more and work that we can do more of and hopefully we'll having that hopefully we'll be having that conversation well. hopefully we'll be having that coml'mation well. hopefully we'll be having that coml'm very well. hopefully we'll be having that coml'm very grateful well. hopefully we'll be having that coml'm very grateful to well. hopefully we'll be having that coml'm very grateful to theell. but i'm very grateful to the teams for the support

teams in france for the support and cooperation that they have given because it really it does make right we got make a difference. right we got next gb news tom harwood to on face of the bill, home secretary says that she is unable to make the statement that the provisions this bill are compatible with , the human compatible with, the human rights, which, of course incorporated the echr into domestic law already legions . domestic law already legions. lawyers are preparing to tackle you over this legislation . you over this legislation. firstly, are you for the fight? and secondly , what's plan b? if and secondly, what's plan b? if they win ? well of course we're they win? well of course we're up for the fight. it won't be standing here if we want. but actually we're confident that we will win. and on the section 19 one b statement, i think it's really important for everyone to recognise this absolutely nothing improper or unprecedented about pursuing bills with the 91 b statement. it absolutely does not mean that

the bill is unlawful . we believe the bill is unlawful. we believe that it the bill is unlawful. we believe thatitis the bill is unlawful. we believe that it is lawful that we are acting in compliance with our international obligations and we are also meeting our obligations to the british public to make sure that we have control their borders and that it is them and their elected representatives who are deciding who comes here. but with regard to section 19 one b, as i say it, entirely in line with precedent in fact a previous labour government in 2003 used a section 91 b statement as they were passing a piece of legislation . we believe piece of legislation. we believe we are acting in compliance with international law , in compliance international law, in compliance with the echr and if challenged as you may be, you may well be right. and as we've seen in these matters, we do get challenged and we will fight hard because we believe that we're doing the right and it is compliance with our obligations . clear, no plan . i . but to be clear, no plan. i said we will suspend . we can't said we will suspend. we can't hear rishi sunak that tom harwood our very political reporter did just fire a

question at him and i believe i can still hear that going. no, we can't. okay good stuff. so just to summarise , they're not just to summarise, they're not saying that they've gone further than anyone's gone before. and the lawyers need a plan b because planning is to work. and he clearly feels as, though, the delivery of his new plan to stop the migrant crisis actually the migrant crisis is actually going to happen. i am joined by henry me in the henry bolton is with me in the studio right now is this border security expert ? henry yes. security expert? henry yes. the delivery going be the delivery here is going be the key he clearly feels , key one. he clearly feels, though, what he's proposing to stop the boats and, to be able to deport people and to be able to deport people and to be able to send them to third countries is legal . i to send them to third countries is legal. i think is indeed legal. i think actually , patrick, given all the actually, patrick, given all the raft of legislation and bills and so that we've seen go before i think this is the one that is credible . he's done his homework credible. he's done his homework here. suella braverman has done here. suella braverman has done her homework. in fact, you even on the albanians , you know, i on the albanians, you know, i think it was gb news really started pushing the albanian to started pushing the albanian to start with. i think they are

listening. that's point number one. point number two on the legislation. the big question really is whether or the immigration if you can say that the asylum laws are to get some sort of grip on this and the areas that they've been focusing on the past is really centred around two things. one is whether or not we comply with providing appropriate live conditions for people that are processing. and the second thing is, are we actually them? and if there's a problem either of those things, then they get a grip now this led into international law and being broad brush about this but those two things are important but it doesn't say where you have to process them and it doesn't say where have to provide them accommodation. so that's why is nicely done before though this is the thing because rishi sunak and i think it's fair to say gave them distinct of a man who is well across this brief actually indeed and clearly does actually indeed and clearly does actually indeed and clearly does actually in this . why actually believe in this. why wasn't done before? do you wasn't this done before? do you think just the other

think it was just the other politicians and prime ministers did not believe in this? i think they've not been listening. i think , you know, there have been think, you know, there have been those of us speaking on this channel and elsewhere and, you know, indeed, your your your your journalist correspondents and others have been saying that this is the sort of approach that needs to be taken. and i think finally started listening . and i think that has a lot to do with the character of suella braverman. anyway, she went into that of that brief. the secretary of state this in mind already state with this in mind already . so i think that's point number one. point number two, they have drafted in serious people some sort of brainpower from the ministry defence into the into the home office. and that i think has also helped them in terms of trying to work through the issues in a logical, concise manner. so we've got all that now. is it going to work? so now i'll them eight out of ten on this so far the crucial two out of ten is about the delivery and when i've helped other countries

to do similar work , legislation to do similar work, legislation has always been a crucial the review of it and so on was the right powers are there and so on and so forth. but you've got to think about the overall context . and when he's talking borders and i keep wanting to remind people this immigration is the upfront , visible issue that upfront, visible issue that concerns everybody. but we've also all of the cocaine and all of the heroin, 97% of the illegal firearms in this country are imported across borders. and patrick, if i may, so one final thing is that cooper in the house of commons it, an exercise of the deep hypocrisy she attacking the government , right. attacking the government, right. for not going after the people smuggling networks. it was the labour party under tony blair that pulled the plug on efforts transnationally to and disrupt people smuggling networks that needs to be brought back in have revolted. thank you very much. border security expert reacting to what we just heard from rishi

sunak much live here on gb sunak very much live here on gb news. well, what do you make of that lies in jasmine she get your views coming in gb views of gb news .uk do you reckon rishi sunak if he gets it right won just the next election or we massively, massively. the gun up next course is with michelle next of course is with michelle dewberry on a couch over dewberry who is on a couch over there yes, you what have there. yes, you are. what have you coming up? are know i'm you got coming up? are know i'm not and laid when not reclining and laid so when i analysed said couch ready analysed me on said couch ready poised to go enjoyed tom harwood question that's the promise that was very good. i wonder though, why is this government not let anything about not having plan anything about not having a plan b the background ? by the way, b in the background? by the way, the police are getting criticised again today. i ve that awful crash which yeah, all three alongside , three young people alongside, you people that passed away for 48 hours. what are the police doing? many say that they've got their priorities wrong. have they. their priorities wrong. have they . we'll look at that in a they. we'll look at that in a few minutes . all right, few minutes. all right, michelle, thank you very, very much. michelle gb, that james and co coming your way up next i'll be back on your screens at

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we've just been hearing from our prime minister that rishi sunak asked a question by our very own tom harwood , and he was asking tom harwood, and he was asking him, is there a plan b if this basically doesn't fly with the lawyers? the short answer to that was no. what do you make to all is this the answer all then? is this the answer that you've been waiting for that if you've been waiting for it is finally going to give you the solution? or is it all air? perhaps just a little bit of a ploy perhaps just a little bit of a ploy kick can further ploy to kick the can further down road? so the tories can down the road? so the tories can use that leverage at the next use that as leverage at the next election. thoughts, please. and energy through the roof. energy bills through the roof. yes, we know that by now , but yes, we know that by now, but what