well, a day of very brief pronouncements from the home secretary and the prime minister and new legislation to stop the boats do they really believe in it or are they just playing a game of politics.7 the budget is coming up next week. is there any that we stop the any hope that we can stop the chancellor up chancellor putting up corporation tax by a staggering 30? well corporation tax by a staggering 30.7 well ukraine bakhmut a salient all the ukraine is right to be defending that position . to be defending that position. and joining me on talking points , duncan larcombe, former royal editor of the sun newspaper and a man who befriended harry. i'm going to ask him. what on earth has gone wrong .7 could it be the has gone wrong? could it be the drugs.7 i has gone wrong? could it be the drugs? i don't know . but before

drugs? i don't know. but before all of that, let's get money. is with polly middlehurst . nigel. with polly middlehurst. nigel. thank you and good evening to you.the thank you and good evening to you. the top stories tonight on gb news. the prime minister has addressed potential migrants to the uk by saying you come here illegally, you can't claim asylum or stay in the uk . rishi asylum or stay in the uk. rishi sunak says the government should be the one who decides who should enter the country, not the criminal gangs. and the home secretary suella braverman earlier admitted it's likely the illegal migration bill may be incompatible with the european convention on human rights. well, at a news conference , gb well, at a news conference, gb news tom harwood asked the prime minister if he's ready for any legal challenges . already legal challenges. already legions of lawyers are preparing to tackle you over this legislation . firstly, are you up legislation. firstly, are you up for the fight? and second, what's plan b if they win? well

of course we're up for the fight and we'll be standing here if we want. but actually, we're confident that we will win. there's absolutely nothing improper or on precedent about pursuing bills with a 19 one b statement. it absolutely does not mean that the bill is unlawful. we believe that it is lawful, that we are acting in compliance with our international obligations. compliance with our international obligations . and international obligations. and we are also meeting our obugafions we are also meeting our obligations to the british pubucin obligations to the british public in fact, speaking earlier. well, sir graham, the chairman of the 1922 committee, has said today that he's going to stand down at the next election. sir graham, who'd been conservative mp for altrincham and sale west since 1997, said in a statement representing my home town in the house of commons has been an immense privilege for which i'll always be grateful . in other news be grateful. in other news today, the trial of the monarchy used of murdering olivia corbell has been told she was shot after

running downstairs to her mother because she was scared . nine because she was scared. nine year old olivia died after a gunman fired into her home in liverpool last august. manchester crown court heard today that the defendant, thomas cashman , had been lying in wait cashman, had been lying in wait for his intended target on the evening of the shooting . he evening of the shooting. he denies murder. evening of the shooting. he denies murder . and finally, denies murder. and finally, parts of northern england and scotland have been hit by a sudden cold snap with temperatures forecast to drop to even —15 in some regions of the uk . more than four inches of uk. more than four inches of snow fell this morning in northern scotland and around eight inches are forecast for later this week. a yellow weather warning for snow and ice remains in place for most of the uk with tonight expected to be the coldest night of the year so far. wrap up warm . that's it for far. wrap up warm. that's it for me. i'm back in an hour. now his fat .

fat. good evening. a big day as prime minister sunak goes down to the coastal command centre , dover. coastal command centre, dover. and in the house of commons, the home secretary outlines new legislation. and then the pm has a press conference in number 10 at 530 this evening. the message is clear. the new legislation going to very clearly say if you come to this country illegally with only a very few exceptions , you are going to be anyone who comes after today . you are going comes after today. you are going to be detained . they've got to be detained. they've got ex—army camps and rdf bases with thousands of young men will be kept and you will then be deported and never allowed to re—enter this country again. they're going to put a cap on the number of refugees that come into the united kingdom every single year and as far as the modern slavery act is concerned, that will not apply if you've come to the country illegally.

now what's my response to that? what i was saying this three years ago , there i was in april years ago, there i was in april or may of 2020 when a small trickle of boats were coming over the english channel. and i said it seemed very clear to me that you might as well put a sign on the white cliffs of dover saying everybody is welcome because we deport welcome because we won't deport any of you. so in a way, i should be welcoming what the government is saying. but i don't, because they even admit it as they put this legislation forward that they are pushing the limits of international law by which they mean a variety of conventions that we've been signed up to with the united nations. but more importantly, the european convention on human rights backed up by that court in strasbourg. and this is the most important part that i don't think anyone has talked about across british media today. the fact is that british judges have always , always interpreted that always, always interpreted that law in favour as they see it of

the original echr our treaty. i don't think any of this is going to work , but i'll tell you what to work, but i'll tell you what i really think . i really think i really think. i really think what the conservatives are trying to do is to expose laboun trying to do is to expose labour. now, the labour response to this was, well, we're enough. are you going to deport people, too? if you haven't got any agreements? it was a reasonable point. they also pointed out that the last labour administration did actually deport tens of thousands of people who were here illegally, something the tories haven't done. but having look, have a listen. this short video put out by conservative central office this afternoon , at least 430 this afternoon, at least 430 migrant across the english channels in the uk. yes. deport number or some stay 828 either being rescued. a thousand migrants have crossed the channel to the uk. in just one day. the home secretary and i have studied every aspect of this issue in detail and we can

now set out five new steps today .labour now set out five new steps today . labour will stop this policy. we will campaign to stop it now. we will campaign to stop it now. we would . we would reverse . you we would. we would reverse. you see, this is all about politics. they know this policy isn't going to work. but rishi sunak tells you how impossible the situation is. it doesn't take any responsibility for it doesn't accept that many of us have been screaming at them over the course of the last three years to do something about it. doesn't accept for a moment that, of course, boris johnson said , if you come here said, if you come here illegally, you won't stay. david cameron said, if come here cameron said, if you come here illegally, won't stay. now illegally, you won't stay. now this projecting forward . this is all projecting forward. we are on your side . that is we are on your side. that is what sunak is saying . labour what sunak is saying. labour will not be able to match this in any way at all and that's because there's a significant minority within labour party minority within the labour party who frankly believe open who frankly believe in open borders, believe we are all

global citizens . and i'll bet global citizens. and i'll bet you , i'll bet you every penny in you, i'll bet you every penny in lombard street to an orange that this is all about the next general election. and the tories will fight election saying we're going to leave the echr or we're going to leave the echr or we're going to leave the echr or we're going to give you a referendum on the aca . we're all supposed on the aca. we're all supposed to believe them. when you tell me . do you agree with me? is me. do you agree with me? is this really just all about politics? farage at gb news is .uk. please give me your responses . while i'm very responses. while i'm very pleased to say i'm joined by alexander downer, former australian foreign minister. but more significantly , an adviser more significantly, an adviser to the government on immigration policy . based, i think alexander policy. based, i think alexander the previous successes of the australians in dealing with this problem and in good time come to that to begin do you honestly truthfully think that we're going to scoop up thousands of young men from the and from these dinghies in the channel

and detain them for 28 days in full army camps around the country, not allowing them to leave the premises, not allowing them to apply for any legal aid. can you imagine the who how that would take place in this country from mainstream media? the fact that the human act echr would be invoked very, very . i mean, invoked very, very. i mean, look, i'd love it to work, but you really think it can? well, i think it can . so let me explain think it can. so let me explain why i think it can that you have a situation where the has an agreement with rwanda . and once agreement with rwanda. and once they start the process of spending sending people to rwanda, then the people traffickers won't be able to sell their tickets their passengers any longer to people to come across the channel because they'll know that if they come across the channel, they'll be said to rwanda. so they'll be said to rwanda. so they'll stay in france. that was to happen. so of course. of

course. if that was so, why would that and the legislation i mean , had a quick look at the mean, had a quick look at the legislation . i mean, i can't say legislation. i mean, i can't say i've read every word it but i've had a quick at the legislation i think the only problem it's called the legacy and the only problem going to be this whole which you allude to this whole question of what the european court of human rights does. so the government , court of human rights does. so the government, as a first court of human rights does. so the government , as a first step, the government, as a first step, is going to engage in discussions with them. that's fair enough . they should have fair enough. they should have done that long ago , but they're done that long ago, but they're going to engage in discussions with them to explain their position . in extreme us, position. but in extreme us, they can legislate , right, to they can legislate, right, to say that they, under british law, in these particular circumstances , they will not be circumstances, they will not be guided by european court. they could do that . let me pick up on could do that. let me pick up on that. yes, let me pick up on both those points. number one, rwanda, who are prepared to take

a few hundred people from us, know rwanda have just know that rwanda have just checked this afternoon with checked this this afternoon with the office . rwanda not the home office. rwanda have not put limit on the number of put a limit on the number of people they would take and they could take a large number of people, but they argument here, which is a good argument that this from from my own this goes from from my own experience dealing the little island of nauru when we in australia send people once the people traffickers know they can't get people into the uk that they'll just be sent to rwanda , the flood will turn into rwanda, the flood will turn into a trickle that i say you won't need long. take tanzania sessions of people that accept. but the last time we looked this rwanda were prepared to take a few and there was clause in the agreement that in return we would have to people from rwanda into our country. so i'm not you know, if rwanda want to take 10,000, you know , 10,000 would 10,000, you know, 10,000 would stop it. you know , probably stop it. you know, probably 10,000 would stop it. i'm not convinced. well, as i have not put let me make this absolutely

clear to the viewers. rwanda have not put a ceiling on the number of people they would take five. and then the idea that british legislation can override echr . the fact is we're part of echr. the fact is we're part of echr. the fact is we're part of echr on an international binding treaty . and my experience of treaty. and my experience of british judges is they will always rule in favour international law over domestic law. yeah, i think this is this is a huge problem and it goes , is a huge problem and it goes, goes back many years to the whole notion that the british parliament has decided that foreign judges can have the ultimate say. over british law there'll be a heck of a battle. it is it is. it's potentially a battle . so the question here, battle. so the question here, this is week you and i don't know the answer to this. the question is to what extent will the european court decide take on the british and in effect

the, british chief? i think they be only to the light. and let's just remind people, i had a chat with tony abbott overnight, the australian prime minister who finally good man. finally cracked very good man. i taught how it first cracked it by the way, and then it went wrong it all went wrong. wrong and it all went wrong. then abbott came in, he then tony abbott came in, he fixed abbott it fixed it, but abbott made it clear to that in the end only clear to me that in the end only and tried putting on people and you tried putting on people on island and all the rest on the island and all the rest of in the end you simply of it, but in the end you simply towed the boats back to indonesia. there no indonesia. there was no agreement with indonesia there was condemnation. agreement with indonesia there was screamed condemnation. agreement with indonesia there was screamed andiemnation. agreement with indonesia there was screamed and shouted,1. agreement with indonesia there was screamed and shouted, but people screamed and shouted, but guess happened? boat guess what happened? the boat stopped coming to shore and then and this is the argument that if you an agreement with all you needis you an agreement with all you need is president macron when he meets with rishi sunak on friday to say to rishi sunak at rishi sunak bidding. i will to say to rishi sunak at rishi sunak bidding . i will agree to sunak bidding. i will agree to you just returning these people to france and the whole thing would be finished by sunday yes. but before the whole thing can be ready by so chances of that aren't very high. no, but but,

but let me just say nobody here makes the argument about this. i think this is a really issue. it's not in interests as well as the uk is interests that people are getting on and making these dangerous journeys . drowning in dangerous journeys. drowning in the english channel. the french should be and they surely are totally to this. and the best way to stop it is to agree to boat. way to stop it is to agree to boat . but if you do it boat. but if you do it unilaterally , the boat unilaterally, the boat turnarounds have to happen in international waterways . well, international waterways. well, the royal marines could pick people up on 12 mile line and simply take them back to france. well, there. but no international water. france and the other . there is a international water. france and the other. there is a small separation zone, but it's a pretty narrow strip of water. finally, alexander today a step in the right direction. today is a big step in the right direction . yes. another it's direction. yes. another it's not. yes, yet another is. be so

cynical. well, i'm sorry . hope cynical. well, i'm sorry. hope the borders bill. i was told that would solve everything . that would solve everything. yeah, i do think you make a very good point that let us let's be realistic about this. the labour party has opposed these measures all the way through and. if labour becomes everybody says they're going to become the next government then it'll be a free all across the channel. what is no doubt about that? it's been looking like one over the last three years is how i would respond to that alexander downer. thank you. what you've toughened up government in toughened up the government in their at least, which their rhetoric at least, which is but believe, folks, is a start. but believe, folks, this politics than this is more about politics than anything else. i've to anything else. i've got to take anything else. i've got to take a short after that, i'll a short break. after that, i'll get your reactions .

so your thoughts , is it just so your thoughts, is it just politics? one viewer says, of

course it is. more window dressing from the tories. keith says, yes , just politics and says, yes, just politics and nothing be done. as always , hot nothing be done. as always, hot air and lies. oh, keith , you're air and lies. oh, keith, you're even more cynical than me . peter even more cynical than me. peter says this is the only way that they can limit the damage at the next election , maybe even get next election, maybe even get a victory . starmer has no answer victory. starmer has no answer to this subject. well, peter , to this subject. well, peter, thatis to this subject. well, peter, that is absolutely correct. but i'm not sure this conservative government has the courage to do it either . government has the courage to do it either. and i think for brexit voters , some may remember brexit voters, some may remember i stood in of a poster of a column of young men coming in to europe. i was called all names under the sun, but i could see. i could see as millions were crossing mediterranean into crossing the mediterranean into europe unless we got back control our borders , that control of our borders, that flood come to us. flood would start come to us. and indeed that's what's happening . i don't believe i happening. i don't believe i don't believe sovereign country bows down to a court in strasbourg staffed by people who aren't even they're jurists .

aren't even they're jurists. weird european concept . now we weird european concept. now we tomorrow it is budget day and liam halligan our economics editor and i have been right feeling like it's reasonable to straighten railing against this proposed increase in corporation tax . it's proposed increase in corporation tax. it's going up by 30. it is the most incredible signal for a country that's just broken free of the european union that wants to become pro—business. the most incredible as ever, of course it's the little guys and girls that really get hurt this and yet something very interesting liam has happened over the last couple of weeks we're beginning to get bigger business voices objecting we are we had beat the old british telecom telling the government straight we really think you should be raising corporation by six percentage points from 19 to 25. the first rise in corporation tax in the uk if it happens in 51 years. nigel even the cbi that most

herbivore chris of lobby groups don't agree the charge to the knighthood . oh boy and even they knighthood. oh boy and even they are saying we really don't think you should do this. and yet the treasury's wedded to orthodoxy. it thinks it needs raise corporation tax to convince financial markets that it can plug financial markets that it can plug a hole in the fiscal accounts of this country . i accounts of this country. i don't think anyone trading gilts in the city of london thinks that raising corporation tax will raise more money. certainly everyone i in the markets thinks that raising the corporation tax will cost exchequer because of the impact on investment and therefore astrazeneca and astrazeneca about two. but £3,000,000,030 million into a plant in there of the republic of ireland . and remind us what of ireland. and remind us what the corporation tax in the repubuc the corporation tax in the republic of ireland. i think you'll find half of what we're about to pay exactly 12 and a half % yes, 12 and a half% how do half% yes, 12 and a half% how do you feel about? northern ireland, just over the border corporation tax rate will be half half of what it is in northern and indeed northern ireland and indeed across jeremy hunt , the

across the uk. jeremy hunt, the chancellor, when he when he campaigned to be conservative leader and indeed minister just leader and indeed ministerjust last summer, he didn't get many votes, but he did say that corporation tax should be 15. his previous failed tory leadership and he said corporation tax should be 12 and a half% you now have the chancellor saying must raise it to 25. it's actually lower . to 25. it's actually lower. rishi sunak announced this would happen this time last year. it's set to go up in april, as you say , they're really big say, they're really big companies. they can offset they can move money between , various can move money between, various jurisdictions, if you're running, you know, a plumbing business with 50 people. this is going take 6% of your margin many many companies will fold . many many companies will fold. unfortunately with this huge rise in corporation tax companies that the states just spent billions of pounds keeping it alive during lockdown. it makes no sense . and with voices makes no sense. and with voices like james dyson , one of the like james dyson, one of the most respected business figures, the world's leading inventors, is saying this is a huge mistake. do you think they might change mind? certainly change the mind? i'm certainly detecting signs . they are

detecting signs. they are thinking about it. it's not i've been i've been writing about this literally since christmas pretty much every week, hammering away at miley sunak hammering away at miley sunak hammer leaves of railings here. nigel in my sunday telegraph column , this just makes no sense column, this just makes no sense whatsoever . academics now the whatsoever. academics now the national institute the most august think tank in the land , august think tank in the land, know almost a sort of annexe of the treasury. they're even now saying there will be a big impact on investment. if we raise corporation tax, they don't want to raise it because they after liz truss was they after that, liz truss was right. that's partly what's going on now. what's going well that that that well we will be that evening 15th of march the budget. liam and i will be with a live audience, a business audience in doncaster yorkshire's let's hope yorkshire's finest. let's hope we have some news on top of we have some good news on top of that. we've, course, got that. we've, of course, got these taxes that these additional levy taxes that have put on oil have been put on gas, oil already north sea . we're already in the north sea. we're seeing consequences seeing disastrous consequences with a long time, oil with well, for a long time, oil companies and gas companies exploring the north sea have exploring in the north sea have paid additional corporation tax

and, then a supplementary levy with the windfall tax that rishi sunak introduced last spring, now paying 75% on their profits and again , it's not the big guys and again, it's not the big guys that are exploring in the north sea. it's much, much smaller companies that do not operate internationally . and to put huge internationally. and to put huge levies on their profits means they'll just pack up their bags and go home. that's what's happening in harbour harbour energy already have . look, we energy already have. look, we can't live with harbour energy , can't live with harbour energy, a major kind of medium sized player in the north sea. this is part of a broader trend, nigel. we're losing business because of our tax environment . now, we've our tax environment. now, we've just seen the mighty softbank , just seen the mighty softbank, the new owners of arm , the new owners of arm, incredible microchip manufacture incredible microchip manufacture in cambridge. born and bred in cambridge and massive silicon fen success story cutting edge technology despite rishi sunak personally lobbying them, they're about list in new york. we don't begrudge our american friends and cousins , of course, friends and cousins, of course, but that company of all

companies should be listing in london to now is raising like one or 2% of the world's new eqtu one or 2% of the world's new equity finance . ten years ago, equity finance. ten years ago, it was % so the stock market is it was% so the stock market is becoming a less attractive place indeed, lest energy companies decide they can't because you pay decide they can't because you pay 75% tax on profits. but if you lose money, well, that's just tough, right? and you lose money and there are going to be millions of small businesses with a 30% rise in tax next week. i mean, here we in brexit britain, which was supposed be about people a bit of an about giving people a bit of an even break, do you see any prospects of this conservative party once again being about entrepreneurship , well, the uk entrepreneurship, well, the uk is nothing if it's not an entrepreneur or dynamic relatively low tax environment. that's what we in and we have for generation and generations. but there is now sort of growing consensus among the davos man, among people in treasury and evenin among people in treasury and even in the house of commons at the top of the conservative party , that we have to kind of

party, that we have to kind of punish ourselves. high taxes already , nigel, as we go into already, nigel, as we go into this budget next, we the this budget next, we have the highest burden in this highest tax burden in this country. tax revenue as a share of since clement of national income since clement atlee since just after the second world war. yeah that can't be good for business. and it strikes me that the conservative party is going to complete reinvent itself. here's a little scoop of the weekend. i went to see a guy called nigel lawson, and i'll be playing his interview with on my planet normal podcast , the telegraph on normal podcast, the telegraph on thursday . and nigella lawson thursday. and nigella lawson says he doesn't think rishi sunakis says he doesn't think rishi sunak is going to make his name is a tax cuts and the conservative party now has to completely reinvent itself . liam completely reinvent itself. liam halligan thank you strong yes, the conservative party must reinvent on tax, on immigration . it's a list as long as your arm. hey, in a moment, we're going to talk about bakhmut. there's a salient being created in that front . the ukrainians in that front. the ukrainians are determined to hold it. are they making the right decision as many, many thousands die every week .

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the war in ukraine? it's a very, very conflict with huge, huge casualties on sides. the eastern ukrainian town of bakhmut is now pretty much surrounded by russian forces. for those who are watching television , have are watching television, have a look at this map and what you see is basically that there is a salient yes, a salient means that the russians have almost surrounded ukrainian forces, that ukrainian forces can be fired on from three sides. those who know their history will know that from 1914 to 1918, the british held the eighth salient and a destructive and awful place it will be. but president

zelenskyy is at a meeting with his generals. they do not want to give an inch of ground and they argue that as the russians launch attack , attack. but the launch attack, attack. but the russians are taking bigger casualties than the ukrainians are . it is cold. it casualties than the ukrainians are. it is cold. it is casualties than the ukrainians are . it is cold. it is called are. it is cold. it is called a war of attrition. it is a pretty horrendous concept against that . the leader , the leader of the . the leader, the leader of the volga group has complained openly and bitterly over the weekend about moscow. and, you know, he's really what is going on here? why am i not getting the kit that i need? is it bureaucracy or is it betrayal ? bureaucracy or is it betrayal? and the rationale army is now being given tank reinforcements and these are tanks . this is and these are tanks. this is technology going back to the 19505. technology going back to the 1950s. so i don't know. i can't tell you whether the ukrainian generals are . right. to hold on generals are. right. to hold on to a salient and be virtually surrounded. maybe they're right.

maybe the russians are on the point of collapse. i just don't know. all i can say is it seems me from history holding on to a salient because of symbolism can be a very, very thing to do . be a very, very thing to do. well, joining me is the member of parliament for gravesham. he's a former army officer and we never know with adam holloway andindeed we never know with adam holloway and indeed the conservative party whips . i doubt they ever party whips. i doubt they ever know quite where adam is , but he know quite where adam is, but he joins me right live from cave as a good evening . it's wonderful a good evening. it's wonderful to get these reports from you as you're out on the road . i mean, you're out on the road. i mean, what you think as a former army man , this idea that the man, this idea that the generals, the ukrainian generals don't want to cede a single inch of ground, is that a wise thing when it comes to bakhmut, in your view ? my view is not very your view? my view is not very important. the view of people like , the ukrainian general who

like, the ukrainian general who i've just been with literally hundred metres ago before i came this , this, this back street . this, this, this back street. it's a view people like this man that counts and they say that's what's happening is a menu at best soldiers are being dying tonight in order to defend and hold destroy territory and destroy buildings . if he put it destroy buildings. if he put it like this, there are 148 million russians and there are 30 million ukrainians in a scene that requires us time and time again here is that putin with no for the people he's throwing forward is throwing forward convex he's throwing forward people way beyond the bubble of st petersburg and moscow into what's being described as a meat gfinder what's being described as a meat grinder and as the general many others have put it. what's

happening is they're destroying this night the flow of ukrainian youth as well . so this thing is youth as well. so this thing is really quite out of hand in that respects. and i think that within the ukrainian , the lower within the ukrainian, the lower ranks of the ukrainian army, what's happening in bakhmut , what's happening in bakhmut, which is in a no way sort of the key grounds , the territory is key grounds, the territory is probably going to turn out to be a big mistake. actually yeah. i have to say, adam, i'm very interested to hear you say that because it seems me it seems to me that almost holding onto bakhmut, which effective there isn't much of it left because it's been shall flat. it seems to me that it is very much a sort of show of a sort of show of pride and perhaps false pride and maybe straightening, malign might be a match and getting behind a defensive position might be a better thing to do. you've been to ukraine one of the one of the one of the principles that one would

observe in war is, you know, sometimes have to bypass things you probably should have done that amongst the casino. so it's not for me to second guess the ukrainian state fighting fight that the people fighting this war but certainly to the general i was with this evening this is a mistake . yeah. adam, final a mistake. yeah. adam, final thought from you. i've just come back from the big conservative cpac conference in america at american . conservatives are american. conservatives are really moving rapidly to the view that they can't just go on endlessly giving money, ammunition to ukraine. we ourselves are down to just a stockpile now of 6000 artillery shells in the whole of the united kingdom. do you sense a little bit of war weariness in of supporting zelazny creeping into the west ? i'll come to that into the west? i'll come to that into the west? i'll come to that in a minute. that is completely crazy . but ben wallace is crazy. but ben wallace is absolutely right . i mean, it's absolutely right. i mean, it's extraordinary, isn't it? that be giving up ammunition and so on

here, but not replacing it into own stock. i mean, that's completely crazy. and we all got to get behind ben wallace in this respect . but in terms of this respect. but in terms of waning support for this war, look, this is not the crazy invasion of iraq or the monstrous war in afghanistan , monstrous war in afghanistan, where we lost lots of lives and spent so much money. this is really different. this is a war in europe. a guy who does not respect the international rules based system . and we have got to based system. and we have got to whilst confining it to the borders of ukraine, we've got to give these people all the support we can . and you know support we can. and you know what? it's actually much easier because the americans do not have troops deployed within the borders here. we don't have troops deployed here. so it's much easier to stay for a long time because we're not losing people. we won't have a problem with public opinion, what we're

doing . as i said to you over a doing. as i said to you over a year ago, if you remember when was in the days immediately after you station when we spoke , what we're doing is we're giving these people the ability to do the fight themselves . in to do the fight themselves. in a sense, they are for us. and i think for us to diminish our support them would be crazy because it wouldn't help us. and frankly, we owe these people something because they're doing it. us at adam, i think given your words, let's hope chancellor jeremy your words, let's hope chancellorjeremy hunt is chancellor jeremy hunt is listening . we're going to have listening. we're going to have to up our industrial production even to up our industrial production ever. adam, very grateful to you for reporting to us live from ukraine. really interesting . the ukraine. really interesting. the farage moment for the first time yesterday in modern times . yes yesterday in modern times. yes the uk grid , we had to fire up the uk grid, we had to fire up a coal fired power station in west burton . otherwise there was burton. otherwise there was significant risk of the lights going out because the wind wasn't blowing and those

watching on tv can see the big billowing chimneys coming from coal being burnt to produce electricity in the uk. don't our politician talk the absolute load of old nonsense. it's the end of coal, we were told, and we are now having to burn it. madness what we could be producing all right. gas which of course lets off far less co2 , more of that. another day in, a minute talking points with duncan, man who tried to become a professional rugby player but finished as the royal editor on the sun . and he knows prince the sun. and he knows prince harry pretty . the sun. and he knows prince harry pretty. i'm going to ask him one of has gone wrong .

it's my favourite time of the day. yes, of course it's talking. i'm joined by doug. good luck. former royal editor of the sun news is. thank you.

welcome to the program now actually having me here duncan the young duncan who thought he might become a professional rugby player. tell us about that. yeah, that's how i started out, i did a politics, but in wales and ended up playing rugby for the for one of the clubs in the premiership in wales. get i reached the point where i realised that i may not make a very good journalist but i am not big enough. be a big bruising rugby player. i used to spend half my matches in wales as an english politics student whilst playing putting on a scottish accent . i wimpy is that scottish accent. i wimpy is that so? i was far too wimpy that it was a rough game. i was . it is was a rough game. i was. it is in the rhondda valley. yes where it's almost a religion . it's it's almost a religion. it's more than a religion. that's why life. yeah. and they said journalism one and after you know some local jobs in kent and sussex . it's the sun newspaper sussex. it's the sun newspaper and. when you join the sun, it's still mega, isn't it? yeah. i mean, into the sun building back

then to the newsroom there was a sign above the door saying tall you're entering sun country . it you're entering sun country. it was raining, was back down wapping. so the building shook as they printed every paper. the next every evening, if you like, shift and you know, it was just as a young reporter going britain's biggest and i believe that the world's biggest english speaking newspaper daily which at the time yeah not 9 million readers back then i, i started with 9 million readers and by the time i left in 2016, i think that dropped to down five. i don't think that was all we all thought. oh, i think this is great. but we still we still absorb journalists and we just do more of it online than we used to. and the whole point, of course, is that almost now with aniphone course, is that almost now with an iphone thinks they're a journalist you did defence there for a little bit. i was just chatting with adam holloway. yes, i saw. you saw ? yeah. i yes, i saw. you saw? yeah. i mean, defending a stadium . well, mean, defending a stadium. well, i mean, my time was in

afghanistan . and there we had afghanistan. and there we had a situation where between sort of 2008, 2009, 2010, all of a sudden was happening was wootton bassett , where they were bassett, where they were bringing the bodies back through. yeah. suddenly where it was maybe a dozen, it would suddenly be more than 100 a yeah suddenly be more than 100 a year. and i think at the height of the war the problem that we had at the sun was that the pubuc had at the sun was that the public readers really didn't feel like we at war. but of course we were . i think it was course we were. i think it was a it was a real privileged time do that. and to go out and spend time with the troops but to see what has happened to our forces since the conservatives took power in 2010, we just diminished in the most incredible the incredible way. it was the district strategic defence reviews at the time we called them out, we said this is cutting back way beyond. the military was saying this is cutting back too and of cutting back far too far. and of course , now, you know, i think course, now, you know, i think that that well but it's let's say touch wood that we won't come to regret that but think the the force the force of

the of the force the force of the of the force the force of the british military used to be is simply not it's not i think it's awful . it's as a royal it's awful. it's as a royal editor that you sort of make your name and it's really interesting the interesting duncan the relationship a royal relationship between a royal reporter and the royal family and from what i can see your relationship with william and kate was reasonably cordial it was and i have to say with harry as well i mean i enjoyed working alongside them i one of the first stories that i wrote was in 2005, and it was when harry wore that now. yeah, yeah. we've got the picture on the screen. not that i go on about. oh yeah that harry. yeah, but so you're writing , you're writing when writing, you're writing when there is a young harry there wearing a swastika bad luck kim's broken the story. how does he ever talk to you again? well what? i have to be honest, i was pleasantly surprised because only a weeks after we'd done the story , i found myself in

story, i found myself in a nightclub in klosters in switzerland during the annual ski trip, the prince charles used to do. there was a very inebriated harry, a very animated william . i found myself animated william. i found myself in the i know. i tell you , i in the i know. i tell you, i have to complain about harry's intrusion into my privacy because i went upstairs at one point that evening and as i was flash went off and i was in the toilets using the urinal if that's okay. and i looked around there was prince harry laughing his head off. he snapped cameras and there were quite a lot of other people in the toilet. i turn around and leave me alone you pepper scum and he was really good fun he was no he was he harry prince harry always his heart on his sleeve and he never took himself too seriously. and you even played football with harry, but we got a of you playing football and we all if i wasn't a rugby player, i definitely am not a footballer. but you know , look, again, it's but you know, look, again, it's

a there's harry. he's being playful. he's being far he was one of the most loved royals they've ever been in this . i they've ever been in this. i agree. and now , i mean this agree. and now, i mean this mate, duncan, i the stuff at the weekend and it to me it's getting worse and worse and worse basically saying that you know smoking cannabis is great that this hallucinogenic drug is really improved his life , really improved his life, admitting to be big, being a fairly regular user of cocaine. and i wonder if is it the drugs that he doesn't look to me like a very good advert for someone taking drugs. i mean, he's lost family. he's he looks miserable the whole time i was going to say if he's if he's really that happy now he has tell his face because there's no sign of it what's happened the easy thing be to blame meghan, wouldn't it? but i think harry was always troubled all you know you could see the anger in him sometimes and you know when press photographers shutters went off the click click that used to you

could see him actually physically of so i mean i didn't just blast in and on harry's if we didn't give a monkey's i mean you could see there was an angry young before he joined the army frankly off the rails young prince harry the story . also, he prince harry the story. also, he punched a photographer . prince harry the story. also, he punched a photographer. he'd gone to celebrate end of a pefiod gone to celebrate end of a period with some friends. he had gone to a strip club, which wasn't really becoming of a third and third in line to the throne, but kind of young and soldiers and the public him that one guy every time we put one page one guy every time we put one page for the wrong reasons they would have loved him more. absolutely right. they'd forgive anything young lad that anything of that young lad that they as a 12 year old they remembered as a 12 year old walking along behind his mother's. but now how times mother's. but. but now how times have mean for year have changed. i mean for year after , harry was number two after year, harry was number two only behind the queen in the popularity stakes on those polls . now he's only above his physical prince andrew is self—destructing . i it's really

self—destructing. i it's really hard to say. i mean with prince harry, you see a guy who is so committed now? i mean, he's he's burned those bridges and. oh, yeah, his post at the royal marines is gone. all of this has gone. it's all gone. he's now even lost the grace and favour place the queen gave him as wedding present. the cottage frogs it exactly it. and that's that's the king biting back saying to some okay okay you want to carry on this course there are consequences so once you met him it's duncan you were there when the great journalistic scandal of the hacking at news of the world occurred. it then spread out to the sun newspaper. you finish up getting arrested , facing trial? getting arrested, facing trial? yeah accused, i guess you were accused of corruption. really, weren't you? was a very strange one. yes, we had an advert in the paper on page two, said we pay the paper on page two, said we pay cash for stories. we've had that for years and then all that that for years and then all of a sudden we were involved in

a quite a horrendous long, drawn out legal process where they were saying it was to pay public officials for stories i was paying officials for stories i was paying a soldier that had worked at santa est who would only give me positive stories about harry and william, who would only say look, they're not being mollycoddled . they're not coming mollycoddled. they're not coming through as an easy ride. in fact, they're under a lot more pressure than any the other pressure than any of the other cadets at the time. seven years later, eight policemen at my doom later, eight policemen at my door, six in the morning, raided my house, routed through my five year old daughter's bedroom, only knows what they were looking was a sort looking for, but that was a sort of off from the phone of spin off from the phone hacking. absolute . and it was hacking. so absolute. and it was an attempt, suppose to kind of an attempt, i suppose to kind of be seen least as a company, to be seen least as a company, to be different from how they had behaved perhaps. but of course, the news of the world get found not guilty great relief but we've had since then we've also had since then a leveson report etc. the relationship between the press , relationship between the press, politicians and public figures has changed is the balance right now . well, i saw it changed

now. well, i saw it changed because i started in 1997, just after tony blair had come into power. all of a sudden, when i first started, you'd go down as a local reporter and they pc or the soldier would open the book up and say, right chaps, what would you like over tea and biscuits? very transparent, very know, working with the police . know, working with the police. try and get the right messages out there. but then suddenly out there. but then you suddenly started the civil servants brought to in be press liaison officers . we'd never get to officers. we'd never get to speak to police . how many deal speak to police. how many deal through them . and i think that through them. and i think that that has over the years now and especially as you say with with the leveson inquiry. i mean what policemen in their right mind would, would want to blow the whistle. may i speak to you? getting the stories we used to get. that's the point i was making exactly. it's not. it isn't perhaps maybe isn't. no. people perhaps maybe don't realise how serious can be. but in future, when local newspapers and national newspapers and national newspapers are simply not getting to information. it's the taxpayer that's paying the money

to have the spin doctors spin out the information . so you have out the information. so you have a completely different dynamic. and i think this yeah, i have to say it is very different. i don't know what the answer is. it's very difficult. we've had a fascinating career in journalism. what next? well, i here i am. i'm on the north, wherever next i'm here. look at the wind now regarded outside . the wind now regarded outside. he doesn't like it. thank you for doing that. vitamin you . for doing that. vitamin you. i have a seconds left on the show, which means it's to barrage the barrage what have you sent me on the menu today? kathleen asks what , is the the menu today? kathleen asks what, is the point of a government if it can't make national laws . why does the echr national laws. why does the echr super cede our laws? because we've signed up to a treaty . it we've signed up to a treaty. it is international law . and for is international law. and for many british judges is absolute gospel. and it really matter what the prime minister and

parliament say, and that is going to be the absolute battle royal that happens with this legislation over the course of what between. now, i guess i'm a next general election and i think conservatives will fight the next election saying vote for us, simple, scrap the echr. that's my view. i might ask a friend of mine about that in a moment. ryan asks, should conservative eyes get behind proportional representation? of course they should, but they never ever will or will be never, ever will or will be stuck with this outdated, first past the post system where it matters less and less. who matters less and less. now, who the the candidate the candidate is the candidate becomes irrelevant becomes almost irrelevant because we vote for or against national party leaders, which i think very sad indeed. think is very, very sad indeed. i must before i hand jacob. you know, it's a quite tough talk today from the government, but the echr is a problem, isn't it? it is, but parliament is sovereign now. we're outside the european union. echr judgements are not automatically effective in british law, unlike the european court of justice, the eu court which were and so has

with prisoner voting rights. we can, if we choose, ignore these are and i think that is what will happen now if they rule against our efforts to deport illegal immigrants our judiciary on our too but hey it's been interesting day. jacob, what have you got coming up? oh, well, we will be talking about the small boats and how effective that going to be. and we've matt ridley on talking about whether was a leak from we will hand that led to covid so lots of exciting things in store lots of exciting things in store lots of exciting things in store lots of exciting things i've just come back from america where of course trump is saying itold where of course trump is saying i told you so, i told you so. i'm isn't it? because i'm strange isn't it? because he's because he said it. everyone said it couldn't possibly be true . well, i think possibly be true. well, i think what's the hand what's coming out with the hand leaks and so on is that lots things that we were told definitely be true definitely couldn't be true turned to true. i turned out to be true. well, i think certainly. right. well i'm done the evening. i've as done for the evening. i've as i'm handing over now to , jake, i'm handing over now to, jake, it was far more entertaining, inadequate that i am. but before all that have look all of that better have a look at i'm told there's

at the weather. i'm told there's some snow on the way . alex some snow on the way. alex deakin here with your latest weather update. snow and ice warnings are in place for the rest of this issued by the met office . check out the met office office. check out the met office website for more details on those warnings. but here's what's happening? we go to weather fronts just brushing southern we go through southern areas as we go through tuesday night wednesday are tuesday night and wednesday are likely a mixture likely to provide a mixture of rain some places rain sleet and in some places some heavy snowfall over the next 24 hours. so a wet night across the south. snow showers, northern scotland, they'll be easing potentially icy in northern ireland as well, but also icy in the south as this wet weather comes in in between large chunks of the country , large chunks of the country, clear and cold minus four, minus five, even in towns and cities, maybe —50 through some rural parts. of course, scottish so cold, frosty start to wednesday , a wet start in the south covering snow. it's possible a centimetre two as you go through the day probably easing for a time across the southeast. but then we'll look at another pulse . wet weather coming into the

southwest could produce some heavy during wednesday heavy snow during wednesday afternoon into south wales. southwest england and scooting further east later on again for a good chunk of the country. tomorrow it's a sunny, cold tomorrow it's just a sunny, cold day, or five, high , not day, four or five, the high, not as showers in northern as many snow showers in northern scotland greater of scotland. a greater risk of seeing snow across south seeing some snow across south wales. south midlands, wales. the south midlands, southern counties of england dufing southern counties of england during wednesday evening, we could see five centimetres of snow in places, maybe in some spots, particularly high ground. it all starts pull away as we go through wednesday evening. one area where concerned about then but then another area as this next low comes in further north the potential for some heavy snow on thursday and into friday. parts of northern england north wales, england, north wales, northern ireland and scotland. much of scotland will dry bright on scotland will be dry bright on thursday. friday, could see thursday. it's friday, could see some snow here. but look at this wet weather wales, the midlands could see some snow on thursday pushing northern england pushing into northern england and day and northern ireland through day and northern ireland through day and southern in and eventually into southern in the by thursday it will the south. by thursday it will start to turn a little milder. so it's more likely we'll see

rain here. go back .

to good evening. i'm jacob rees—mogg state of the nation. tonight the government has announced new legislation promising to solve the migrant crisis. but does it cut the mustard? i'll giving my thoughts shortly and we'll be hearing from the mighty lee anderson. a free speech battle took place in parliament today. the right to protest is once again under threat. we will be speaking to someone who has fallen foul of this new policy which threatens our basic rights. plus do you have a spare £5,000 to fork out on flights for your yearly houday on flights for your yearly holiday to portugal? well, that might be your future flight plan to subsidise the green tag on your ticket if prices going to

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