is that what we're living in.7 well, according to science, carolyn nikka apparently so . i carolyn nikka apparently so. i want you to make to him, by the way, is it time that he gets the boot from the bbc for expressing one too many opinions, which, quite frankly, are nowhere near being impartial? charles cur, is it gets free it time that everyone gets free access to it to get more women into work ? it is, after all, into work? it is, after all, international women's day. do you care about that at all? to be honest, i don't really. anyway energy, should it be nationalised? yes or no? and marlene goes there, whatever the

latest name is , that story has latest name is, that story has not gone away, apparently. sorry is not good enough. really give me your thoughts on all of the above. but first, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headlines with polly middlehurst . michelle, polly middlehurst. michelle, thanks very much indeed . will thanks very much indeed. will the top story on gb news tonight 7 the top story on gb news tonight ? the prime minister has accused the labour leader of being on the labour leader of being on the side people smugglers the side of the people smugglers as pair went head to head in as the pair went head to head in the house of commons over the new illegal migration bill today. rishi sunak defended the legislation which will remove those who enter the uk illegally and banned them from seeking asylum . sir keir starmer cast asylum. sir keir starmer cast doubt on the plan, saying attempts to tackle the number of channel crossings in the last decade have failed and the numbers have gone up . he says numbers have gone up. he says the conservatives have lost control of uk borders , which mr. control of uk borders, which mr. sunak countered , accusing the

sunak countered, accusing the opposition of supporting unlimited asylum . the honourable unlimited asylum. the honourable gentleman has been on the wrong side of this issue his entire career . he side of this issue his entire career. he did. he described all immigration law as racist. he said it was a mistake to control the migration and he has never, ever voted for tougher asylum laws. it is clear, mr. speaker, while he's in hawk to the open border, activists , we're on the border, activists, we're on the side of the british people . mr. side of the british people. mr. speaker , when i was in charge of speaker, when i was in charge of prosecute agents, i extradited countless rapists . i'm not countless rapists. i'm not convinced the conviction rate for people smuggling was twice what it is today. i voted against this legislation last time because i said it wouldn't work. since it became law , the work. since it became law, the numbers have gone up. he's proved me right. numbers have gone up. he's proved me right . well, the proved me right. well, the former home secretary, priti patel , says the migration bill

patel, says the migration bill still requires some work. the legislation has only just been published , has got to go through published, has got to go through parliament. we all want this to work. i think it's important to recognise that obviously it builds upon the previous work that's put in place. but we that's been put in place. but we do have legislation that only came this year. still came in this year. it still needs to be implemented and there's very important there's a very, very important message permit message there in permit what we've and build upon that we've got and build upon that going angela we look at going forward. angela we look at the work that was done through the work that was done through the plan for immigration. the new plan for immigration. there's one single solution there's no one single solution to this needs end to this at all. this needs end to this at all. this needs end to reform pretty priti to end reform pretty priti patel. now, in other news today , the reward for information about the shooting of a police officer in northern ireland last month has been increased to £150,000. detective chief inspector john caldwell was shot up to ten times at a sports centre in omagh after coaching his children's football match . his children's football match. he remains in a critical but stable condition in hospital. detective chief inspector eamonn corrigan says he believes two ford fiestas were used in the

attempted murder . a second ford attempted murder. a second ford fiesta vehicle was used in the attempted murder of dci caldwell . it is also a blue ford fiesta of a similar model. the second car had the registered number r, l , z, car had the registered number r, l , 2, nine it car had the registered number r, l, 2, nine it zero car had the registered number r, l , 2, nine it zero five car had the registered number r, l, 2, nine it zero five and was bought in the glengormley armley area of belfast towards the end of january . i believe this car of january. i believe this car travelled to belfast around this time . the duke of sussex will be time. the duke of sussex will be at the centre of a high court trial against mirror group newspapers over phone hacking allegations . and he's one of allegations. and he's one of several high profile celebrities bringing action against the publisher and tabloid newspapers contesting the claims, arguing that some have been brought to light. the trial , though, will light. the trial, though, will begin on the 9th of may and last for around seven weeks . rmt for around seven weeks. rmt union members will vote tomorrow on a new pay offer from network

rail aimed at resolving a long running dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. union members yesterday suspended the industrial action, which was due to take place on the 16th and 17th of march. the union says the new pay offer involves extra money, but they say industrial action with 14 other rail companies will still go ahead later this month . and dozens of later this month. and dozens of flights have been disrupted in the south of england as snow continues to fall across the country . and that's part of the country. and that's part of the coldest night of the year so far. the met office saying temperatures dropped to minus 15.4 degrees in the scottish highlands overnight. that's the lowest march temperature in more than a decade . and national than a decade. and national highways is warning drivers in the west midlands and the east of england not to travel unless their journey is absolutely essential. and what's on the way 7 essential. and what's on the way ? well, more sleet, snow and subzero temperatures expected across all four uk nations until at least . friday and lastly, the

at least. friday and lastly, the princess of wales has given first aid to a wounded soldier as part of a military exercise on salisbury plain. kate's also received mining training and viewed the weapons used by first battalion irish guards . this was battalion irish guards. this was the royals first visit to the troops since receiving her honorary appointment as role colonel last year. honorary appointment as role colonel last year . that's all colonel last year. that's all for me now. i'm back in an hour now. michelle dewberry . now. michelle dewberry. thanks for that, polly. well, i am michelle dewberry and i am keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening alongside me . i've got the alongside me. i've got the commentator joe phillips alongside me. i've got the commentatorjoe phillips and the commentator joe phillips and the political consultant alex dean. good evening. good evening . of good evening. good evening. of you. you know the drill as well, don't you? and how? it's not just those three. it is just about those three. it is very about you at home very much about you at home tonight. what's on your mind on

this international women's day? i'm not one, actually, who goes around the pink and high fiving myself today. does eight international women's day mean anything to you? i wonder, by the way, how much longer this day will exist , because if day will even exist, because if some that the some people are that way, the women access anyway. do you women want access anyway. do you care? do you celebrate? i don't . and i'm afraid it's like so many it's been by many things. it's been by corporates ridiculous corporates and ridiculous marketing . i think in marketing campaigns. i think in the beginning it was it was quite a good idea and it does allow all suggests that, you know, you can focus on it. and certainly in schools and places like that it's been quite useful. but i think it's time has probably come. i disagree for the reasons that you've said , michelle. i used to share your cynicism about about it and the way it's been used, but now when you certainly in america , people you certainly in america, people are accused of asking an offensive question, if they say can you say what a woman is? it seems to me there is use in having international women's having an international women's day a woman is day and saying that a woman is a an adult human female. and that's thing to

that's a useful thing to reinforce . why don't call it reinforce. why don't we call it aduu reinforce. why don't we call it adult international, adult human female day, then , so that it female day, then, so that it can't get and is on. can't get and everyone is on. i just have to say, bringing to it that does that. i'll be honest on that one. right. gary lineker saying lineker, to saying gary lineker, to according some he seems to think is anyway, he's trouble again is anyway, he's in trouble again today. this is, of course, about rishi sunak asylum policy that was announced yesterday , as he was announced yesterday, as he frequently , by the way. frequently does, by the way. he's been sending tweets out on this subject. i shall try and bnng this subject. i shall try and bring it up to you, if i may, on the screen. but what he was basically saying is there is now a we take far fewer a huge influx. we take far fewer refugees other major refugees than any other major european countries. this is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed the most vulnerable directed at the most vulnerable people language that is not people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by germany in the thirties. dissimilar to that used by germany in the thirties . alex, germany in the thirties. alex, you are a passionate historian. i do a podcast on this subject. you've written a book about it. before we delve into this, you just give my viewers just a flavour of some of the kind of

pieces of 1930 germany that gary is perhaps suggesting that we are similar to it. sure. with the caveat that i'm at that most engush the caveat that i'm at that most english of things, the amateur enthuses, rather than a professional, it's the best word. well, quite . is the word. well, well, quite. is the word. well, well, quite. is the word passionate? indeed the 19305 word passionate? indeed the 1930s in germany gave birth to the and therefore to the world war and the holocaust that they promulgated. it was a time of the advance of theories of racial purity , whereas of course racial purity, whereas of course in the united kingdom we live in a multicultural society in which, for example, we have the most cabinet right now most diverse cabinet right now that had. was that we've ever had. it was a time of increased marginalisation of minorities from to homosexuals to from the roma to homosexuals to the jews, most especially when we have, of course, racial discrimination laws that are robust and it would be career ending if an accusation of racism was upheld against anyone in public life. so to me , it in public life. so to me, it seems the comparison is at its most generously interpreted in apt and apt . share your apt and apt. share your thoughts. i think gary lineker

is a fantastic football pundit and a great commentator, and he was a really good football player. i think the fact that he presents a football programme and was given sanctioned by the bbc to present the world cup coverage from qatar and allowed to talk about human rights issues around qatar and the fact that that was such a controversial world cup event . controversial world cup event. if he was a news presenter , i if he was a news presenter, i think it would be a different matter altogether. i mean, here we are on a station that apparently promotes and applauds free speech. he's speaking in a personal capacity. he's not speaking on match of the day, but is he's in a strictly indexed to the i almost. that's a gb news but to bbc so you can tell where am i alongside islamic. but it is inextricably index very high profile. so many people and this has been one of the criticisms before when he said and done stuff that actually the impartiality is different people at

different for non—us people at the bbc, but there is a slight blurring of line because his blurring of the line because his profile because of the profile and because of the association. well i would argue that inextricably linked that he's inextricably linked to football . and i don't think he football. and i don't think he is using his platform as i say, on the on the bbc. he's using his platform on a personal capacity. you know, whether or not you agree with him, i think there are some real issues. and actually, i was very interested to see the clip of priti patel that there in the news when that just there in the news when she's talking about, you know, we implement what's we need to implement what's there . i think that there already. i think that tells you quite a lot about, you know, whether the government has got a plan that whatever your feelings about it is even practical or work . so on the practical or work. so on the lineker issue , whilst lineker issue, whilst i understand your position, you regard them as separate. that's not how the bbc interprets it because it can't have been clearer when he was disciplined last year for breaching the guidelines for what he'd said on twitter alleged russian parties alleged russian donations returning money to donations and returning money to the russian donors. they made it

clear guidance clear, one, that the guidance does to lineker, whether does apply to lineker, whether whether not think he whether or not you think he should, shouldn't should, that he shouldn't because sports presenter. because he's a sports presenter. they made it clear that guidance does him and that he does apply to him and that he breached with party breached them with party political they breached them with party politicit they breached them with party politicit clear they breached them with party politicit clear that they breached them with party politicit clear that their|ey made it clear that their presenters should not indulge in party political issues and debates , and that they should debates, and that they should avoid political controversies , avoid political controversies, and personal accounts and that your personal accounts , whether you them as , whether you regard them as personal not, inextricably personal or not, inextricably unked personal or not, inextricably linked to your position as a bbc presenter. the so he couldn't have been fairly warned by have been more fairly warned by them year. and that, of them last year. and that, of course is a debate that course in turn is a debate that goes post brexit goes back to the post brexit penod goes back to the post brexit period he was told that he period when he was told that he shouldn't be tweeting about brexit the he was. and brexit the way he was. and jonathan the cricket jonathan agnew, the cricket commentator, jonathan agnew, the cricket com should or, jonathan agnew, the cricket com should stick to to the you should stick to the to the guidelines i did what you guidelines and if i did what you did, i would be fired. the biggest is very seldom. i feel sorry for director general, sorry for a director general, but feel really sorry for but i feel really sorry for the headache got because, headache he's got here because, you lineker in many you know, gary lineker in many ways, reasons ways, for the reasons you've described, to the described, is an asset to the corporation. the trouble is, corporation. but the trouble is, if can't enforce the if they can't enforce the guidelines, having already told him to him, if they him they apply to him, if they can't the guidelines

can't enforce the guidelines on their most high their one of their most high profile people and certainly their highly person , their most highly paid person, then presumably guidelines then presumably the guidelines that really to anybody that really apply to anybody know and we move on from saint lineker. teflon lineker , whose lineker. teflon lineker, whose blocked me, by the way , he blocked me, by the way, he blocked me, by the way, he blocked me, by the way, he blocked me on twitter, which did make me chuckle. anyway, let's move on him a little bit move on from him a little bit and let's broaden this out into this whole kind of concepts, because view i just because one of my view is i just got touch and said the you got in touch and said the you know, the focus here shouldn't be. here we go, graeme. his comments problematic comments are not problematic because links to the bbc, because of his links to the bbc, but simply because they are offensive and this whole notion, this smear, if you like, of far right , all of this smear, if you like, of far right, all of us, it's this smear, if you like, of far right , all of us, it's become so right, all of us, it's become so common place now when basically what you mean is, i just don't like what you're doing. i disagree with it. and that works in both sides of the argument. i mean, you know, we've now got a liberal government having to say, i didn't sign off the letter that went out to tory supporters and mps in her name and signed by her where she

referred to the blob of lawyers as civil servants and labour. so in one fell swoop, this bloke she's. yeah she's attacked civil servants, she's now had to double, double down and apologise on it. now she says she didn't see that she didn't sign it off. well you know she's the home secretary and she's beenin the home secretary and she's been in problems like this before . the trouble is, with before. the trouble is, with this debate and, you know, we've had this discussion before, michel, it is so it is so emotionally fraught that whatever your side, you're on the other side is always going to say either you're, you know, a bleeding heart liberal who will open the doors to everybody or you're right wing to that. or you're a right wing to that. that's not true, because that's not how you speak to me, and it's not how i speak to. and one should be able to civil should be able to still be civil today. what she says by you, be on well, at least in on your back. well, at least in my but should be able my face. but we should be able to forget about these. but that's good. and i i agree

that's good. and i and i agree with but the problem is that with it. but the problem is that when into this mud when you get into this mud slinging that so slinging that becomes so offensive many you offensive to so many people, you lose the real issues lose sight of the real issues and the real issue is actually, can this work? i don't think there's thinks there's anybody today who thinks it would be a good idea to let these boats keep coming across these boats keep coming across the people risking the channel with people risking their making their lives, people making absolute of money and ripping people off and pushing them out, you know , i mean, it's bitterly you know, i mean, it's bitterly cold out there. i live in kent . cold out there. i live in kent. we've done a programme. we did , we've done a programme. we did, you know, if anybody is travelling in these conditions with children and insufficient safety gear, they're desperate . safety gear, they're desperate. but the people who are on the middle, guys, you do well, some are in somewhat. but my point is that they mainly guys, but they are you can see that they the children and women are few and far between. there are some. there are, but they are mainly guys, are they? but, you know, some of them may not. you can say men. say that they're mainly men. they mainly men but but they are mainly men, but but that mean to say that that doesn't mean to say that they mainly , you know ,

they are mainly, you know, people that don't have a right to claim asylum. i think the problem is that we've got, you know, nobody wants that to carry on because of the risk to life and limb and the fact that the, you know, the criminal gangs are making a fortune at it and making a fortune at it and making a fortune at it and making a fortune. we have given millions to france over the last goodness knows how many years i think this has been ill thought through by the government . through by the government. france, it really you see next meeting president macron on friday for the first bilateral summit since he became prime minister there is obviously a much better a more cordial relationship between britain and france since he became prime minister. it would have been sent sible to have that conversation . but we've poured conversation. but we've poured millions into france with nothing happening . nothing's nothing happening. nothing's happened with rwanda and we've still got a back. and then here we are, the policy of last resort. i just want to have a go answering the question that you asked, joe, about whether the rhetoric is helpful. and my answer no. definitely answer is no. it's definitely not have rhetoric

not helpful to have rhetoric like we should like this because we should always able to agree to always be able to agree to disagree and we should always be able to conduct our discussions civilly especially when civilly even or especially when the topics are passionately held . and i passionately want to stop the boats coming over the channel for the reasons that joe accurately describes . and i accurately describes. and i therefore find myself largely supporting the government as it happensin supporting the government as it happens in a debate about public policy, a position for which , policy, a position for which, courtesy of someone we've already been discussing, i and others who hold my view, have been wildly slurred and called and so forth online today because someone with 8 million views went out and said made this comparison with the 1930s and therefore people who are so tolerance regard themselves as being tolerant that they being so tolerant that they simply tolerate another simply cannot tolerate another point view being aired . i point of view being aired. i feel completely liberated to call people anything they call other people anything they like the and i just like under the sun, and i just think that's deeply unhelpful. like under the sun, and i just thinveryit's deeply unhelpful. like under the sun, and i just thinvery true eeply unhelpful. like under the sun, and i just thinvery true inply unhelpful. like under the sun, and i just thinvery true in denmarkpful. like under the sun, and i just thinvery true in denmark they it's very true in denmark they have what people refer to as a jewellery law and what that means is that when people go into their country, they take

all they have the opportunity to take items , jewellery, etc. from take items, jewellery, etc. from these people by way of almost paying these people by way of almost paying mints for the processing fees . so i have to say that fees. so i have to say that makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable. that kind of thing makes me think of 19th system in selling diamonds into the coats and so forth. yeah, yeah.i the coats and so forth. yeah, yeah. i just, the coats and so forth. yeah, yeah. ijust, i the coats and so forth. yeah, yeah. i just, i feel that kind of thing is well and i would say the people who've, you know, they've probably sold all their jewellery or given it to the people smugglers who are pushing them to some worst them to some of the worst criminals and criminals in the world. yeah and i was because i was i was i was because i was looking to today other countries and what they're doing and actually you look other actually when you look at other countries members of countries that are members of the you know , they to the echr, you know, they seem to be boundaries a lot more be pushing boundaries a lot more than the uk, whether response to it being minimal. than the uk, whether response to it being minimal . but the it being minimal. but the trouble is, and i think it's maybe what jay and i do disagree, the trouble is that when people say that, well, international law says that you don't apply to the first don't have to apply to the first safe go to and so safe nation, you go to and so forth. are all

forth. they are right. all right. so the government is in a tncky right. so the government is in a tricky position and the government shouldn't, in my view, itself saying we view, bind itself to saying we will be following our will definitely be following our obugafions obligations under the echr because my people because in my view, people coming across an entire safe continent of countries which continent of countries in which they have applied for they could have applied for asylum to to the asylum in order to come to the uk and that being okay under the system makes of system makes a mockery of international law. and if we can't tweak it and if we can't change it, if we can't have a new system that complies with it, then we should keep the opfion it, then we should keep the option of the echr. option open of leaving the echr. yeah america as well. yeah but it's america as well. there's many places because there's so many places because we this debate night we was on this debate last night and saying, and people are saying, what's the uk? and the uk is like filled with all these awful people that trying to kind people that are trying to kind of all of poor of restrict all of these poor innocents actually, innocents souls. but actually, when globally now, so when you look globally now, so many countries sitting when you look globally now, so manlooking countries sitting when you look globally now, so manlooking at countries sitting when you look globally now, so manlooking at howdries sitting when you look globally now, so manlooking at how does sitting and looking at how do we strengthen borders, do strengthen our borders, how do we our borders, how we tighten our borders, and how do actually your do you actually keep your internal if internal citizens safe if because actually, when let because actually, when you let a lot people in who lot of people in who quite frankly don't know who they are, you risking things? well, yes. and more difficult if you and it is more difficult if you are small island with very

are a small island with a very small, narrow crossing between the largest continent and your new neighbour. but in some ways, you would think, actually, because island, it because we're a small island, it would have easier to do would have been easier to do this there needs to be this properly. there needs to be a root and branch a much better root and branch reform and everything. so far has failed. and i think this to will you divided our home will you guys divided our home pizza , gary has the pizza, says gary lineker has the same as everybody same right as everybody to express opinion , provided express his opinion, provided they not express while they are not express while presenting programme presenting a sports programme for bbc . even though he says for the bbc. even though he says i don't agree with him, cameron says should have been says lineker should have been sacked a very long time ago. we pay sacked a very long time ago. we pay wages so he should pay his wages so he should basically up and that is basically shut up and that is reflected throughout my inbox . i reflected throughout my inbox. i have to say lots of division , have to say lots of division, typical champagne lefty who lives in a beautiful home away from problems. he should stick to play with his balls right ? from problems. he should stick to play with his balls right? i get. yes okay. if lineker is not guilty, then surely matt hancock is innocent . his tweets and is innocent. his tweets and emails, etc. were private and isn't law . so they are innocent

isn't law. so they are innocent . you're obviously talking about matt hancock there and the leaks that we've seen the so now so—called lockdown files. jeremy clarkson says stewart has lost his contract for writing personal views on meghan markle. surely the same should apply to lineker . yeah, but jeremy lineker. yeah, but jeremy clarkson wasn't employed by the bbc . of clarkson wasn't employed by the bbc. of course lineker is clarkson wasn't employed by the bbc . of course lineker is. clarkson wasn't employed by the bbc. of course lineker is . keep bbc. of course lineker is. keep your thoughts coming in. gb views a gbnews.uk is how you can reach me tonight. twitter if that's your thing, you can get me on that too. now do you have kids? if not, do you think you should help from the channel kev, everybody else is bad at one my view is a straight off one of my view is a straight off the he's been in touch the mark. he's been in touch saying plea. i'm saying absolute plea. not i'm asking you , is it for free asking you, is it time for free childcare, for all? give me your thoughts and i'll see you into .

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dewberry and i'm keeping you company till seven alongside major phillips , the political major phillips, the political commentator on the political consultant, alex dean. welcome back , everybody. peter my view back, everybody. peter my view is, as michelle, if you cannot afford a child, then you should not breed. you should not expect others to pay for your ignorance, nor free childcare . ignorance, nor free childcare. as peter not mixing, not his words, the elite would not because it is international women's day and we're talking about work and moms get this the survey showed that two thirds of uk women said that childcare dufies uk women said that childcare duties are affecting their career progression. now there's been so many kind of reports, consultations , rally cries from consultations, rally cries from everyone, really on different sides of the fence that childcare in this country is too expensive . it prohibits women expensive. it prohibits women from going back to work and something should be done about it. one proposal is that actually free childcare for all all parents. you have your child internationally to go for free.

would you support that, joe? well, i think , you know, nobody well, i think, you know, nobody likes it or it's always had a means tested . benefit is a mean means tested. benefit is a mean benefit . and there would be benefit. and there would be people who would say , actually, people who would say, actually, that's ridiculous. there are plenty of people who could afford bit of the afford it. and it's a bit of the old argument about family allowance. rich people use it for their of child shoddy a for their sort of child shoddy a fund poor people use it to fund while poor people use it to struggle make meet. but struggle to make ends meet. but actually, know , the loss to actually, you know, the loss to the of working the economy of working predominantly women , it's not predominantly women, it's not always women, but working parents is huge. £90 billion of gross value added to the economy every year. and you've got people who are unable to work or who can't work. the hours . who can't work. the hours. there's various points on this for people who are working but are claiming universal credit because of the cap on the child care support element of that benefit, in—work benefit . it benefit, in—work benefit. it actually means that someone on a minimum wage , it's uneconomical minimum wage, it's uneconomical for them to work more than 26

hours outside of london and more than 20 hours in london because of the costs of childcare. so that's actually stopping people that's actually stopping people that we need to get back to work to boost the economy. so i think , you know, it is one of the things actually is one of the few things that liz truss was quite good at campaigning about when she was briefly prime minister . when she was briefly prime minister. but i think, you know, 44 days of it was it. yeah, exactly. but, you know, this is a survey from the british chambers of commerce. they represent sorts of represent all sorts of businesses. i think it is businesses. and i think it is fair to say from what they've said that there needs to be more support. it doesn't need necessarily have to be financial support, but it's about flexible working. the do i mean, after some of these companies they conduct solely surveys telling the state actually that they should pay more for childcare . should pay more for childcare. and you look at and actually when you look at some these organised some of these huge organised actions, of one actions, i'm thinking of one i was involved with and not that long ago. you've got your hairdressers on site, your post office, supermarket it's

office, your supermarket, it's your on your everything's button on site crash. are actually a lot crash. there are actually a lot of businesses comprises of these businesses comprises what could what they preach and they could make available for make facilities available for their indeed they were their staff if indeed they were that bothered. alex we have amongst the expensive amongst the most expensive childcare in the developed world and not just by a bit but by a lot. and so my view on this is, is somewhat akin to the discussion about supporting higher education. not everyone goes into higher education just as not everyone has children. i don't have any any children, but i'm completely open to the nofion i'm completely open to the notion that all of us should do something to support those who do all, they produce the do after all, they produce the next are going on next generation who are going on to the next people to become the next people in britain . hopefully they'll britain. and hopefully they'll support age, even support us in our old age, even if not directly. they'll if it's not us directly. they'll support working whilst support us by working whilst we are so is are pensioners. so there is a selfish interest in this as much as else. but also as anything else. but i also agree with point, joe is agree with the point, joe is making about this stymieing an otherwise potentially very economically productive part of the which is women. the population which is women. he wants to go back to the workplace but find that they can't they can get can't very often if they can get over hurdle of getting over the hurdle of getting back in first in their

in the first place in their career, it continues as it would have done had they not had children or without the big gap they then they go they wind up having then they go on more senior positions and on to more senior positions and higher and pay more tax higher earnings and pay more tax . state has a big . so the state has a big self—interest too. but the self—interest in it too. but the reason i make comparison reason i make the comparison with higher education is that just as with people who go on to do a degree, i believe that we communally should contribute something to support it. i don't believe childcare free believe in making childcare free for everybody, but i do believe in making it that bit in making it just that bit easier and people don't want everything on plate . people everything on a plate. people accept the responsibility of parenthood of the great parenthood as one of the great missions and missions in life. right. and they don't expect everything to be but we be completely easy. but if we can them little bit, i can help them a little bit, i think we should. and it's the state just something state doing just something on it. would go long way. it. i think would go a long way. you at home, i'm going to you guys at home, i'm going to be you're quite be quite blunt. you're quite a harsh bunch , philip says . harsh bunch, philip says. michelle. free childcare, free meals, family allowance, etc. perhaps the government should just take the child straight from the maternity ward and bnng from the maternity ward and bring up themselves. bring it up themselves. can i just say something on then? just say something on that then?

there free market there is also a free market point on this, which also strangles the provision of childcare, not state, but childcare, not by the state, but in private sector. because in the private sector. because i requirements childcare requirements on childcare providers, whether be the providers, whether it be the qualifications we need them to have the number of children have or the number of children they can look after are prohibitive for number of prohibitive for a number of people otherwise quite people who are otherwise quite happily look happily childless. sit and look after for few hours after some kids for a few hours and think that's another thing and i think that's another thing is that, you know, if you are fortunate enough to have a network of family or friends around you you probably around you, you can probably juggle around you, you can probably juggle because it's not just the hours that you're working , it's hours that you're working, it's not 9 to 5. it's the not just 9 to 5. it's the wraparound that wraparound care that grandparents. so often do when somebody sent home from school because don't feel very because they don't feel very well got to taken well or they've got to be taken to some afterschool club or something like that. and i think you're alex. you're absolutely right, alex. it's doing a little to it's about doing a little bit to help because the other thing is that circumstances that people's circumstances change. you know, people might be okay. they might have got granny helping partners , granny helping both partners, both a couple of members of a couple working. it's fine. all of a sudden, granny falls ill,

somebody is made redundant and everything goes up in the air. and i just think the pressure on people to on mortgages and rent and childcare, it's almost impossible as it is. and you guys, you are you're not words. you're not mucking around and you're not pulling any punches . you're not pulling any punches. the sense that i'm getting from you guys at home is if you want kids, firstly, you should pay for them yourselves. and secondly, there's quite a suggestion actually that if you want children, mums want children, the mums shouldn't go to work. well, you were saying why would you see this coming from men. yeah, well, yeah. and also some women. it's not just the men and she's got a radical solution. she's saying, well, why not, michel? if this is all about money, why don't you pay women to stay at home with their children? it's the best job in the world. and it is the most important . that's it is the most important. that's an interesting. well, i remember an interesting. well, i remember a campaign a long time ago called wages for housework. we used have a allowance. used to have a family allowance. the proper family. there's a

story i think it's a woman in spain actually. she just got a payout from her husband or ex. that's right. yeah. i slapped it. it paid for all the housework that she's done over the years. that really made me laugh that do it. but i'm a working mum. i've got a little boy and i love him more than anything in the well and put my identity doesn't start an end just with being somebody's mum on my own person and on my own individual and actually i would suspect that i'm a much more rounded person for having the balance in my life between work and my home life. but nash phase , i mean, what, £2,000 a month i pay l , i mean, what, £2,000 a month i pay i think in nash phase it is absolute well , it's is it's the absolute well, it's is it's the same as a mortgage . it absolute well, it's is it's the same as a mortgage. it is many many people are or more in some cases. and of course the problem is for the childcare providers they have to know how much they've got coming in. so you can't be flexible and say , oh, can't be flexible and say, oh, can't be flexible and say, oh, can i come in next wednesday or that exactly. lisa that day? yeah, exactly. lisa

there go again. this is just there we go again. this is just another tax we squeezed out of all those people who chose all of those people who chose not children because not to have children because they it. they couldn't afford it. christine says this is a ridiculous idea as usual, i'm not really getting any support there , but i don't think i've there, but i don't think i've seen anyone, quite frankly, that thinks that everyone should get free, probably because most of the who are doing it are the people who are doing it are putting the kids to bed, helping with the homework as with the homework or acting as mum taxes. yes, that mum and dad. taxes. yes, that might be case. might might be the case. you might even listening. actually on even be listening. actually on the while doing all the radio while you're doing all of if you are getting of the above. if you are getting searched, me your thoughts searched, tell me your thoughts on bills. too on your child care bills. too much that just par for the much or is that just par for the course of being a working parent? give me your thoughts. going to quick break. going to take a quick break. when i come back, energy, we all know the roof. know going through the roof. what be about it? what should be done about it? nationalisation, do you reckon? is second you see this is that the second you see this government to government that seems to be making hash a lot of making that hash of a lot of things, quite frankly, making a more successful job of running an give me an energy company? give me a thought. see you into .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry, keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside major phillips and alex dean. welcome back, everybody . i welcome back, everybody. i stayed at home for ten years with my children. michelle it was some of the best years of my life and my kids gone on to be well—rounded, happy, adult, as my did start and end with my life did start and end with my life did start and end with my children. there is no need for anyone to have free childcare. should live childcare. you should all live within your means, says one of my view is , well, that debate my view is, well, that debate will run along the fault. so let's move on, shall we? energy we all know prices have pretty out of hand in some places. what is the answer ? the lots of talk is the answer? the lots of talk about price caps and all the rest of it. bullets get this, the case is being made. i laugh a chocolate because we do go around the circles about this, aren't we? but apparently a publicly owned electorate

electricity generates. i could save british consumers around £21 billion a year. that is about hundred and 50 or so quid per household. alex dean cut to the chase, nationalised energy. is it time for it? no and it won't happen. and therefore the person creates the biggest problem for us. keir starmer because the gap between his relative bully compared to that moderate and centrist position is on the one hand and intervention in the market because he wants to create one new company will, in the tradition of the day, the great british power company or something like that, that will draw on renewable and draw on renewable energy and offer subsidised energy to some households . the gap between his households. the gap between his position and the let's call it the further left position set out by commonwealth for a clever name, this, this think tank means that he'll never satisfy the people to the left of him, whereas his desire intervene whereas his desire to intervene in market means he'll turn in the market means he'll turn a lot businesses lot of businesses and dissatisfied people who dissatisfied a lot of people who are in commerce. so are involved in commerce. so this again leaves starmer this once again leaves starmer betwixt and between . and if you

betwixt and between. and if you really want in a labour government, which frankly i imagine common does, then you wouldn't set out a position like this explicitly criticises this which explicitly criticises the position as well as the starmer position as well as makes it more difficult for him to one over the line. to get his one over the line. well i've have read this well i've i have read this completely differently to you, alex, i my understanding alex, because i my understanding from the commonwealth is from the commonwealth report is that they are talking about an intervention , not about intervention, not about nationalisation or on keir starmer's already ruled that out that they're saying this would be about a publicly owned clean energy. in other words , energy. in other words, reforming it by bye bye ing out assets such as wind, solar and biomass generators on older contracts and running them on a non—profit basis. so i don't think that is completely i'll tell you why i think it's maybe the difference between us is when read that they wanted to do in energy a national program as profound as the creation of the nhs, which is the comparison they make. that feels to me like a you know, of course we had

many private hospitals in this country that were folded into the over time after it was the nhs over time after it was started, that is precisely started, and that is precisely the of parallel the kind of parallel that they're consciously making . doc, they're consciously making. doc, one viewers, which has one of my viewers, which has been michelle, been in touch saying, michelle, the you've got to the point that you've got to focus on here is if these kind of things went back public of things went back into public sector you know , that sector ownership, you know, that would strikes . the would mean more strikes. the unions being able to create even more strike chaos . yeah, but more strike chaos. yeah, but we're not talking about re—enact analysing the energy companies, which are people would like to. well a lot of people but i mean that's not that's not what is being proposed here. i mean, at the moment we've got 40% of the uk's offshore wind generation capacity is publicly owned by overseas national entities. so they're actually getting the benefit rather than us. but this is the government actually try to get some of these companies who are operating low carbon generators, including nuclear power plants, to switch to contracts for difference. that sounds a bit , contracts for difference. that sounds a bit, but it means

outside profits flow back to taxpayers . but but then they taxpayers. but but then they went instead for the electricity generator levy but i think this is quite a good idea and it's worth exploring because would actually stop the arguments about windfall tax because it would actually plough money back into investment in this what we need which is much more green clean energy so that we can become more selfless efficient. well, i mean, if government hadnt well, i mean, if government hadn't gone for wind in the policy environment of the day, if government hadn't announced windfall taxes or levies, i think they would have been severely criticised. so, you know, think the government did know, i think the government did what right. of what they thought was right. of course the companies were also basically openly inviting them to take levies on them. it to to, take levies on them. it seems to me inevitable that we were going to have a tory. governments have had windfall taxes the past you see taxes in the past when you see this of profit loss because this kind of profit loss because there's been no i don't know, i you higher taxes i think the government's things government's getting things about least because about right not least because the of gas is tumbling and the price of gas is tumbling and wholesale. i mean and the

companies that produce energy are not the same companies that then supply to our homes and so then supply to our homes and so the margins for those some of those companies be much smaller. and then the margins and one of the reasons some of them are going out of business, which significantly disrupts people's and when have higher and when you have higher windfall currently , windfall taxes than currently, i'd like to see more money be ploughed back into whether it's through or whether it's through tax or whether it's through tax or whether it's through a sort a forced through a sort of a forced investment , because i think it's investment, because i think it's reduced investment in what? well into something like this where you're buying up old contracts or you're investing in exist setting infrastructure. i mean, what you don't want is big loads . people, i think who have been struggling this winter to pay their energy bills and are worried about the cost of it. they they do understand but they probably can't work out the difference between as you've just said, alex, the difference between a company that makes an absolute fortune for producing the energy rather than the

company that is supply. the energy rather than the company that is supply . and company that is supply. and what's coming out of your cooker or your radiator. yeah. and that's part of the problem, that there's no linkage and there's no way that you can change it under existing competition rules. yeah. to call all these calls for extra windfall tax is quite perplexing . some of these quite perplexing. some of these organisations some of their organisations and some of their profits and therefore about profits and therefore it's about 75. what is it you want 75. i mean what is it you want them to do? you won't pay 100, make no profit at all completely. disincentivise any form of investments or business in this country. you give me thoughts. lots of you. so getting in touch on that childcare situation . and i have childcare situation. and i have to say had about three or four of the similar ones , which is of the similar ones, which is people telling me their stories that they desperately wanted children struggling to get children struggling to get children and find it quite hurtful actually, that they could potentially be then responsible for paying the responsible for paying for the childcare for other children, but to not disagree with paying for state education. well, i'll just about say i understand it and my heart goes out to you if you've not managed to conceive,

if that was your and your wish and but at the same and your goal. but at the same time, society policy kind of does we do does move on and we do contribute to lots of different things, perhaps things, albeit perhaps things that are directly that our lives are not directly impacted by. tony says michelle, i believe that would i cannot believe that you would just laughing at a guy getting paid , being made to pay his paid, being made to pay his wife, ex—wife money for housework. he was probably busting his bits so that she could stay at home doing the housework. this is just another example of a man getting done over women victim . over whilst women claim victim. god forgive me, tony, but i. and last time i checked, it wasn't yet illegal or outlawed to find things amusing. and i can't help. it did. it made me laugh. but it's lovely. he's celebrating international women's he's probably women's day. why? he's probably still thinks this international men's day might still be what it is for the other 364 days of the yeah is for the other 364 days of the year. mainly thanks to people like that attitude. like that and that attitude. well, told you, didn't it? well, that told you, didn't it? actually told. you've actually that told. so you've just told tony but carers just ask me to tell you because he's just said joe phillips has just

made a stereotypical comment . made a stereotypical comment. can you tell her please. she just said when granny gets ill. just for the record, i have just gotten looking after my gotten from looking after my grandson, is one old, grandson, who is one year old, so daughter and her so that my daughter and her husband go work. husband can both go to work. i am a granddad , he says. i've am a granddad, he says. i've just done a ten and a half hour day. so go, you know, i am day. so they go, you know, i am just thompson agree? and just thompson do you agree? and i at the beginning that i did say at the beginning that it wasn't just mums, but i was. i stand corrected. you did this grand parents and aunties and uncles friends all around uncles and friends all around takes village to raise a takes a village to raise a child. so it does. i'm going to take a break when i come back and then i have a lot more. your reaction to some of those stories. so don't go anywhere. but also want to talk to you but i also want to talk to you about ngozi remember about ngozi fulani remember marlene or whatever marlene headley or whatever a name different name is, a few different names there was lots of kind of criticism and all the rest of it about goings on where she about the goings on where she get because is really get this because it is really offensive. she was asked everyone ready, where are you from ? i know, i know, i know. from? i know, i know, i know. i might need to be seated to receive that. but that's what she was asked and caused an she was asked and it caused an

outrage. love that because outrage. well, love that because it and it it hasn't gone away. and it didn't there, though, with didn't end there, though, with more on that just minutes. more on that in just 2 minutes. don't anywhere .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. so alongside me, the political commentator joe phillips , and the political phillips, and the political consultant alex dean. welcome back, everybody . i still haven't back, everybody. i still haven't actually managed to find anyone who thinks absolutely everyone should get absolutely all of that for free. if that childcare for free. if you're out, do exist. tell you're out, they do exist. tell me. want to hear your me. i want to hear your thoughts. divided opinions on whether or not the government should be more involved or less when it comes to of energy . when it comes to of energy. really divided. you are tonight ? yes. yes yes, says nigel. it should in public ownership. i mean. but what about the points that people were making? because

i think what you're talking aboutis i think what you're talking about is basically like nationalising the whole thing. you governments these days you know, governments these days that watched strong that i've watched the strong track they? so track record, do they? so i think giving them more responsibility essential responsibility for essential services perhaps ring services perhaps would ring alarm certainly for me alarm bells, certainly for me anyway, ngozi fulani , anyway, rights ngozi fulani, marlene headley, whatever it is that you refer to this lady as. remember her? she was the person that got all complaint and didn't she? she was invited to an event and then made a complaint because get this, everyone warning. so if you're easily offended, just mute. now bots . guess what? she was asked bots. guess what? she was asked and it is offensive. i do warn you.she and it is offensive. i do warn you. she was asked where she was from . i think i can carry on. from. i think i can carry on. right. she was asked where she was from and then it proceeded to where is she really from . and to where is she really from. and i think we all know the story, don't we? she said the name of the organisation. so then she said, which kind of place? and it went on and on. there was a huge outcry. she then went into buckingham had sit buckingham palace. she had a sit down with the lady in waiting in

question. a nice question. there was a nice little photoshoot was little photoshoot. there was a statement issue on yoga, but no. and guernsey been back in statement issue on yoga, but no. andpressnsey been back in statement issue on yoga, but no. andpress today been back in statement issue on yoga, but no. andpress today saying] back in statement issue on yoga, but no. andpress today saying that k in the press today saying that she's been absolutely abused. all rest of it. so such all the rest of it. so such a point she's having to temporarily back as ceo temporarily step back as the ceo of the charity and she's not happy with the apology she received was pretty convenient that this is all happened because i saw a number of allegations sisters bases, allegations about sisters bases, financial arrangements last yeah financial arrangements last year. so this this has all emerged at a very good time. if you were facing those things, the best thing to have happened, the best thing to have happened, the best thing to have happened, the be able to do the best thing to be able to do is to have a race row. that means the people won't focus on the things that they were previously talking about. your organisation can't remember organisation, i can't remember if ali or mike if it was muhammad ali or mike tyson said, hard for my tyson who said, it's hard for my opponent me with fists opponent to hit me with my fists in and say she's really in his face and say she's really going on the front foot and whether it's, you know, just a representative of the state who is convenient person to is the convenient person to serve as patsy in this, or serve as the patsy in this, or whether specifically having the buckingham palace imprimatur was so there's no doubt in

so useful? there's no doubt in my mind that this lady in waiting was a highly useful person at just the right time . person at just the right time. indeed well, i'm not entirely sure what she's asking for, because at the time, lady susan hussey, who is in her eighties and who'd for the royal household for many, many years, who probably should not have pushed it on. you know, it is one of the rules of good breeding that actually the last thing you do is to embarrass somebody. and i think certainly touching hair and touching somebody hair and moving it to look at their name, but which is is silly but which is alleged is silly but which is alleged is silly but know she left but you know she left immediately. there was a fulsome apology at the time there was a meeting between the two of them where a joint state ment was agreed and that it had been with warmth and understanding and that she had it and must follow and he had accepted lady susan apology. so what i'm not entirely sure why she's bringing i've got to ask now. i've got a few suspicions as to will you be

able to keep this? do you want to keep the story live, don't you? but if you recall at the time that this break the transcript of the conversation was was like a cool transcript. it was so specific and precise. one it was recorded. one wonders if it was recorded. it was all and you say, by it was all out. and you say, by the way, that you've got the way, that when you've got breed you're taught not to breed and you're taught not to embarrass this whole thing, don't because ngozi don't wash with me because ngozi fulani turned up to an event and nothing wrong with it is. fair enough. she was very proud of her heritage , proud of her her heritage, proud of her culture , origins, whatever the culture, origins, whatever the way it is, she visually made herself stand out in a nod to herself stand out in a nod to her heritage . and if you make her heritage. and if you make yourself visually stand out and then someone comes over to you literally whose job it is to ascertain who people are in the room so they can feed that information back so you get information back so that you get a warm welcome and you a nice warm welcome and you cannot be surprised. when she was sense, you try to was in that sense, you try to ruffle imagine if ruffle tribal dress. imagine if a gone to reception a scotsman had gone to reception in in africa wearing a kilt and quite naturally someone is someone who didn't recognise it would say, are you from? would say, where are you from? and the if it's such an awful

and by the if it's such an awful thing to push back, if, you know, if for whatever reason she should known better, i agree. none of us was there a pushbike or someone being a bit. or someone just being a bit. well, think you know well, whatever. i think you know lady susan hussey apparently carried on asking the questions, but as i say, none of us were there. i just think it's bonkers. well it didn't wash with me, that's for sure. it didn't at the time. it certainly does. now, if asking about your heritage is so insulting and offending, why on our own website, the on that she website, by the way, on that she has lines on her. about has four lines on her. about what single one what page. every single one reference because reference heritage because obviously you will remember that her charity only exclusively supports people from an african and caribbean heritage . i'll and caribbean heritage. i'll leave you to ponder that . that leave you to ponder that. that is all we've got time for. alex thank you, sir. thank you for your wonderful company. thank your wonderful company. thank you at home. you'll you for you at home. you'll leave as you've been going on, telling that if you don't , if telling me that if you don't, if you kids, you've got pay you want kids, you've got to pay for yourself. that's my for them yourself. that's my take from tonight's take away from tonight's show. have one. enjoy your have a good one. enjoy your evening and i'll be back

tomorrow. and i shall see you then aidan then. hello again. it's aidan magee ivan here from the met office there'll be further snow in places during the next 24 hours. the emphasis for snow hours. but the emphasis for snow shifts bit further north as shifts a bit further north as milder air returns to the far south associated with these weather fronts and the cold air hangs on across the rest of the uk as the weather fronts bring rain to the far south, the northern edge of them will result in snow mainly on wednesday evening . parts of wednesday evening. parts of wales, especially over higher parts as well as the midlands, where we're likely to see those spells of snow bring perhaps some disruption 5 to 10 centimetres in places that peters out by the end of the night and it stays dry with clear spells for scotland, northern ireland, northern england, temperatures well england, with temperatures well below freezing in places. a few snow flurries north of snow flurries for the north of scotland. otherwise, fine scotland. otherwise, mostly fine as thursday . showers as we go into thursday. showers of in the far south of of rain in the far south of england and south wales with temperatures here above freezing as day. gusty wind, as we begin the day. gusty wind, though in between though, continuing in between

for northern ireland, north wales, the north midlands and northern england. here we see an increasingly wintry scene during rain very lowest levels rain at the very lowest levels and drying coasts, but above 100 metres. the potential for disruptive snow, especially from the peak district north into the north pennines. that's where it's possible. we'll see 10 to 20 centimetres for even populated places like leeds, bradford, sheffield , wakefield bradford, sheffield, wakefield and for some of the most exposed spots 20 to 40 centimetres of snow, some significant disruption then for routes and that continues into friday morning. that's why there's an amber warning for this part of northern england and the north midlands. otherwise on friday will see those spells of snow tending to drift further south, perhaps returning some snowfall to mid—wales, the midlands and east anglia for a time on friday morning. eventually it peters out drier conditions, return from the north and the northwest with some sunshine, but it stays cold and it will be cold. as we start off saturday, fairly wide, another band of rain moves in

with some snow again over northern hills . there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner,

you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments.

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