reading. i'm going to standing in for nigel farage this evening on the programme tonight. boy, do i have an ofcom compliant show for you through the times back and forth from the lawyers. should treason laws be updated .7 should treason laws be updated? we'll debate that. meanwhile it's international women's day, but this is the easiest, momentous day, more important and needed than . and the latest and needed than. and the latest on matt hancock's leaky whatsapp messages . first, though, let's messages. first, though, let's bnng messages. first, though, let's bring you up to speed with what's going on in the world. it's news that polly middlehurst

. lawrence, thank you. good evening. the prime minister has accused the labour leader of being on the side of the people smugglers as the pair went head to head in the house commons today over the new illegal migration bill. rishi sunak defended the legislation which will remove those who enter the uk illegally and ban them from seeking asylum in future . but seeking asylum in future. but sir keir starmer cast doubt on the plan, saying attempts to tackle the number of channel crossings in the last decade have failed and numbers have actually gone up . the honourable actually gone up. the honourable gentleman been wrong gentleman has been on the wrong side this issue his entire side of this issue his entire career . he side of this issue his entire career. he did. he described all immigration law as racist. he said it was a mistake to control the migration and he has never, ever voted for tougher asylum laws . it is clear mr. speaker, laws. it is clear mr. speaker, while he's in hawk to the open border activists where on the side of the british people . mr.

side of the british people. mr. speaker , when i was in charge of speaker, when i was in charge of prosecutions i extradited countless rapists . i'm not countless rapists. i'm not cutting the conviction rate, but people smuggling was twice what it is today . i people smuggling was twice what it is today. i voted against this legislation last time because i said it wouldn't work. since it became law , the numbers since it became law, the numbers have gone up. he's proved me right . well, in other news right. well, in other news today, the reward for information about the shooting of a police officer in northern ireland last month has been increased to £150,000. detective chief inspector john caldwell was shot up to ten times at a sports centre in omagh after coaching his children's football match. he remains in a critical but stable condition in hospital rmt union members will vote tomorrow on a new pay offer from network rail aimed at resolving a long running dispute over pay, jobs and conditions. the suspended industrial action was

due to take place on the 16th and 17th of march. the union says the new pay offer involves extra money, but they say industrial action with 14 other rail companies will still go ahead later on this month . and ahead later on this month. and finally, dozens of flights have been disrupted in the south of england as snow continues to fall across the country tonight. that's after the coldest night of the year, far last night. the met office saying temperatures drop to minus 15.4 degrees in the scottish highlands. that's the scottish highlands. that's the lowest march temperature in more than a decade . and what's more than a decade. and what's on the way? well, more sleet, snow and subzero temperatures expected right across the uk until at least friday. that's all for me. i'm back in an hour. now back to laurence fox . now back to laurence fox. according to the oxford english

dictionary , the definition of a dictionary, the definition of a traitor is a person who betrays the trust of another a cause , the trust of another a cause, etc, a person who commits or is judged to be guilty of treason against his or her sovereign or country . all of us will remember country. all of us will remember the devastatingly sad images of her majesty the queen sat , her majesty the queen sat, wracked and crouched in fragile grief , needlessly muzzled, and grief, needlessly muzzled, and so alone on the pews of st george's chapel, windsor, without so much as a hand to comfort her following the loss of her lifelong love. she did this, as with everything else , this, as with everything else, with utter and stoic dignity, to remind the people that she was one of us, that these rules so deviously composed and then imposed on her people also appued imposed on her people also applied to her. all the while, as she sat head down in lonely despair , traitors stalked the despair, traitors stalked the halls of westminster or toasted

each other in carefree zest. secrets speak in downing street . those images of her majesty are etched onto so many minds because they were stark reflection of our own experiences during those dark times. a reflection of the unimaginable cruelty meted out on the population as the most sacred of liberties, rituals and, traditions were torn up in front of our horrified faces by scheming and banter ing men in whatsapp groups vain, gloriously drunk on power. the countless stories of those left to die alone in hospitals and care homes of vulnerable children's education taken and sanity shaken and of the silent and unheard , fists and blows unheard, fists and blows delivered to terrified spouses in locked down houses all the time. the bantering traitors in whatsapp groups giggled over

when to release the content variant of the virus . my own variant of the virus. my own rage . this is crystallised by my rage. this is crystallised by my dear mum's frail friends, saying that they still grieve properly as they never had a chance to say goodbye properly . my say goodbye properly. my siblings and i, in that cold, stood metres apart, unable to reach out a hand to our own father himself, stoic, had bowed and alone as they hurriedly lowered my mum into the ground because those were hancock's rules . meanwhile, across town, rules. meanwhile, across town, glasses clinked in downing street . i glasses clinked in downing street. i imagine glasses clinked in downing street . i imagine the former street. i imagine the former health secretary and the clapping cowards who applauded alongside it in parliament less the tireless campaigner for disability and mental health bnbed disability and mental health bribed them with the removal of their disability and mental health grants for voting against his tyranny . thought he was in his tyranny. thought he was in the clear , readying himself for the clear, readying himself for the clear, readying himself for the next chapter in his blessed life with £400,000 fees on celebrity tv and promises of

altruistic charitable donations, which turned out to be pocket change. percentages of his takings in the end. he kept most of the dough eager perhaps to squeeze down bottom again, this time on a moonlit beach in front of a boutique hotel somewhere warm and expensive, having betrayed his own wife, his own rules , his queen, and his rules, his queen, and his country like some weak chin and sadistic dictator, he wilfully and joyfully lead at the abuses of his people . he declared of his people. he declared himself and his follow the fear tactics. sovereign over us all. he controlled us with confected variants to scare us into submission, confused ing and destroying our ability to inform our own consent, or to quench his thirst for power. he vast plea overegged the severity the possibly lab cooked bug to the point that his own chief medical officer was reluctant to endorse

the hastily assembled alchemy of an hour and a witchcraft for a virus of this severity. he demanded that we cover our faces in betrayal of the science. he was so brutal to ensure everyone else followed , but not him . a else followed, but not him. a job which whether the regime will admit it or not, has killed and will continue to kill the dutifully innocent for years to come . as for hancock as come. as for hancock as shakespeare said now, does he feel his title hanging loose about him like a giant's robe upon it, to oarfish fish ? i am upon it, to oarfish fish? i am not a supporter of the death penalty, however heinous , wrong penalty, however heinous, wrong committed that after witnessing the crimes against humanity those in high office of partaken in these last years. my stance on the matter is now under close review . well, it's fun and games

review. well, it's fun and games at gb news hq today as the back and forth between the production team, myself and lawyers over what i can and can't say the delightful matthew has gathered pace. we've come to an agreement and the lawyers for my own good would you that has would me to remind you that has not committed treason or any other crimes except breaking all the rules he made up while confinement, free speech, which definitely doesn't only work in one direction. i'm going to read a lovely matthew statement now. the stolen messages have been doctored to create a false story that not not rejected clinical advice on care and testing. this is flat wrong. these imply matt simply have a rule clinical advice that is categorically untrue. he went as far as possible, as fast as possible to expand testing and save lives . expand testing and save lives. this story categorically shows that the right place for this analysis of what happened in the pandemic is in the inquiry. now i've been wondering today about

whether our treason laws should be significantly expanded to punish politicians , commit punish politicians, commit crimes . seeing as these laws crimes. seeing as these laws have been in place for almost years, i think it might be time that you upgrade. in fact, the last person be convicted of high treason under the 1351 treason act was william joyce, a.k.a. lord hall , act was william joyce, a.k.a. lord hall, who was found to have collaborated the during world war ii and hanged. yep for his crimes very recently, the government been planning on updating the treason law to be modernised and give more powers to target threats to the uk , to target threats to the uk, domestically and overseas. yet there are concerns that it could actually do harm than good . so actually do harm than good. so while talk with me about this, i'm joined by historian mystic. good evening, martin. good evening. 700 years is quite a long time. what changes or should be to treason law ? well,

should be to treason law? well, you're absolutely right. the treason law that we now have dates back to. it's been amended since the treason act of 1351. that was under edward the third. and originally the aim was to stop people plotting the death of the sovereign or dealt true with the sovereign's consort with the sovereign's consort with the sovereign's eldest daughter or with the wife of the heir to the throne, waging war against the sovereign, a sister in the sovereign's enemies attempting to undermine the lawful established line of succession . and it could be succession. and it could be very, very severely punished. members of my own family in 1685, in somerset were hanged, drawn and, quartered for treason . if you were lucky, you were dead before they pulled your insides out and set fire to it. if you were unlucky , you would. if you were unlucky, you would. if you were unlucky, you would. if you were unlucky, you would. if you see what i mean in the end, it developed to mean not just threatening the life of the sovereign. it came to mean threatening the sovereign's. thenit threatening the sovereign's. then it all starts to get very woolly because it could be misused parliament could find somebody of treason and you

couldn't appeal . favourites of couldn't appeal. favourites of rulers could be dragged before the courts when powerful rivals control parnham . or it could hit control parnham. or it could hit people never intended . the people never intended. the execution of charles. the first in 1649 or two, brought it could include counterfeiting coins or saying that the king is not the sovereign of a supreme head of the church of england. it could even be stretched to include a welshman stealing cattle or to commit murder murder by poison. so over years, treason has become increasingly difficult to apply. people talk about traitors. they talk about trees then. but the simple matter is that treason has a very specific legal application. and in fact , legal application. and in fact, since the 19th century, it has proved increasingly difficult to get convictions for treason because it is so complicated. so, for example , you rightly so, for example, you rightly said the last person who was convicted for high treason was william joyce. lord hall in the second world war, executed by

hanging in 1946. many many people will be surprised to know the death. actually, technically remained for treason until was completely abolished in 1998. extraordinary. even though it had been abolished across the uk , part from northern ireland in 1969. it's sometimes still brought out . for example, just brought out. for example, just want change, which charged under the treason 1842. one of the many revisions of the 1352 act and i believe convicted as recently as february 20, 23, would that technically is shortly that is not treasonous. nobody understood treason really difficult to make work so into. in regards to the fact that we you know a very beautifully laid out that the history treason and the complexity of it that there are obviously will be many people in this country certainly in regards to things like the murder of rigby or the

manchester bombings . obviously, manchester bombings. obviously, you that case it's you know, in that case it's different. the bomber died with the victims, people will the victims, but people will vote . things updated . you think vote. things updated. you think that's possible? and to such a great crime against the country will exist as a crime and some parts of it are very clear cut in law attempting to assassinate the monarch for example other areas betrayal of country become much more difficult . so areas betrayal of country become much more difficult. so i'm against existence of the treason laws . i'm not against revising laws. i'm not against revising them. but the problem is , them. but the problem is, treason is very difficult to because it's a very, very specific , strong enough that we specific, strong enough that we have laws . but it is. sb have laws. but it is. sb knowledge and of contravention of the official secrets act, for example . there's a strong example. there's a strong argument favourable to the is pretty much objective much more the problem is best cut tightly

focussed for protection of the monarch and possibly overthrowing the state, but overthrowing the state, but overthrowing the state in law is a very, very complicated as well. my feeling is that treason is probably kept best kept as being something very , very being something very, very specific. and we're better to using these other laws. the are on the statute book and believe me, those other laws are there and that's what the government rarely tries for. treason martin it's fascinating and thank you for a short, but really important history lesson in treason . thank you so much, for treason. thank you so much, for martin, joining me. that was martin, joining me. that was martin whittaker, historian , martin whittaker, historian, right. i mean, where are we going? coming up. oh, yes coming up. since woman's day and you'll agree with me that it to be recognised more never nowadays . recognised more never nowadays. back.

in three happy international women's day. i'm amazed that that's still a thing . perhaps next year it thing. perhaps next year it should be renamed international adult human female day. in the interest of linguistic probity. i was going to make some bad jokes about what a year been for women in the pool on the cycling track , and in weightlifting . but track, and in weightlifting. but then the girls in the team asked me why i would choose this day of all days to mock a bunch of blokes . couldn't be other blokes blokes. couldn't be other blokes in competition, so they decided to pop on the swimming capital women's costume rub women's swimming costume and rub actual chance to take the actual have a chance to take the top spot the podium . so much top spot on the podium. so much as fan of as i'm not a fan of international anything days or woke i think should woke holy months, i think should be and celebrated , be honoured and celebrated, especially when their private spaces are being invaded and removed and their very existence is deleted . so areas is being deleted. so many areas of public the health

of public life from the health and people . the and birthing people. the aforementioned sports debacle . aforementioned sports debacle. women need our protection. the only people and the greater attack are pale , straight males. attack are pale, straight males. so here's to international women's day 2023. i'm looking forward to the inaugural international straight, white day 2024. let me know what you think. is there still a need for international women's day? you can email me at gbviews@gbnews.uk or treat me a lot of folks with me to discuss is dragons den entrepreneur rachael and journalist rachael watkin and journalist broadcaster peter lloyd . peter, broadcaster peter lloyd. peter, you're obviously celebrating all day . oh, i'm you're obviously celebrating all day. oh, i'm exhausted. i've been partying all day. what were how how did you mark this momentous day? well doing nothing. no, i mean, i have to say, i'm not a fan of international day for anything or anyone, but especially not for this . as far as i can tell. for this. as far as i can tell. it's just an opportunity for people to politically in public. it's like i equipment as much as the next guy puts seriously ladies in a room. we don't need to see this all the time. i'm

besides, i know. have to apologise for your language. please give me a 7:00. i usually have to apologise by an image. right. katie just shut have to apologise by an image. righ up. katie just shut have to apologise by an image. righup. no, katie just shut have to apologise by an image. righ up. no, just atie just shut have to apologise by an image. righup. no, just let just shut have to apologise by an image. righup. no, just let met shut have to apologise by an image. righup. no, just let me just.t him up. no, just let me just. let me just. just say, it's not even about women, right? it's certainly not about the girls in the room who were raped by pakistani grooming gangs. what is really about? you have to remember that international women's was started the women's day was started by the socialist america in socialist party of america in 1909 and is now just used to propagate a feminist propaganda and trust men. but i don't know . i don't know. let me before we come. you, rachel, it's women who are under absolute , direct who are under absolute, direct threat from the whole trans madness , apparently. rachel, madness, apparently. rachel, what do think about international women's day and youri international women's day and your i think your miss it but never mind calling it. your i think your miss it but never mind calling it . want to never mind calling it. want to give me a break? and for a start, it's international men's day on the 19th of november. so you know, feel free to celebrate routinely ignored by feminists and derided . it's not about it's

and derided. it's not about it's certainly not picked up by the mainstream media that carrying the uk wide you like international women's day. it's not being a feminist. not about being a feminist. i would never class myself a feminist. it is about equity and rights, fairness , equity and rights, fairness, equity and equality . equity, equity as in equality. equity, equity as in fair. because i told you, as i told know how how it right. i had a conversation with a woman today , a fantastic woman . she is today, a fantastic woman. she is a ceo of a c of seriously large tech company. her husband is the ceo of a very large company. she was the first woman to float a multiple billion pound company. and yet throughout her career, she has 20% less than her husband . now how is that fair ? husband. now how is that fair? well, it's an argument to say that men are more bullish in the contract negotiation and also that women take more time off to have is that that's did have babies. is that that's did she take time off her children? she took time off to have to, you because it was the you know, because it was the time before she even had

children , you know, that before children, you know, that before the whole is all right. women are more agreeable on the scales that jordan peterson thing that the jordan peterson thing of greater ability and stuff of a greater ability and stuff like it's shown like that you know it's shown that women are more likely to take a lower offer and benefits agreeable say you offer a man and he's going to he's not going to it. yes. so know, to take it. yes. so you know, and combined the baby and combined with the baby thing. the fact you're thing. yeah. the fact you're going period of your going to take a period of your life raise some children, life out to raise some children, wouldn't 20% wouldn't that account for 20% pay wouldn't that account for 20% pay not really, no. pay a lot? not really, no. because if women didn't have babies, we would have a very serious with the serious problem with the population . you know, and population. you know, men and women have share that responsibility . yeah. so why responsibility. yeah. so why should a woman be paid a list? you . and as we progress , you know. and as we progress, hopefully in society, men should be to have time off to celebrate the child as well. i take a lot of time celebrate my children. but if you've got a 20% pay cut for it, i did talk about dropping rachel . if the woman dropping rachel. if the woman you cite is the ceo of company, she's getting paid 20% less by her own company. she's a and she

shouldn't be the ceo of her own company. but i'll see you talk about fathers enjoying time with children. i think it's a bit galling, really, that feminists say, oh, men should spend more time their children time raising their children at home. you what? if are home. you know what? if men are equal rights, equal parenting rights, maybe they say . they should. they i didn't say. they should. it's not about that . it's not it's not about that. it's not about point. you know, the thing about point. you know, the thing about oh man good at this. no, no, no, no, no. because do know there is like only one in three entrepreneurs is a woman . if entrepreneurs is a woman. if women were running businesses the same as men, it would add £250 billion to the uk economy compared as i know from the rose report. so in which case men would benefit as well because there would be money in from both parents, rachel, allowing men to have more freedom with the children will less pressure. the world economic forum showed that women are 50% of all start ups for 2021. not in the uk. women are already not an equal

partners when it comes starting businesses not in the uk . do you businesses not in the uk. do you think it's a noble job for a woman to be a mother and nothing else? if that it's about choice? yeah, it's about . you're saying yeah, it's about. you're saying that. yeah, i agree with that in 2023, a lot of the young women , 2023, a lot of the young women, i mean, they have this sense that to be a mother is in some way disgusting. absolutely so do you think that we should whilst on journey towards equity. yeah we should be going all are equal mothers and ceos . if women want mothers and ceos. if women want to stay home and look after their children , that is their their children, that is their choice. but they should be able to have that choice and not be disrespected for it. so you do have that choice a lot of the time. they don't have to think well. so what do you mean by the fact they don't have the financial choice? because you know especially mothers, know especially single mothers, you have a you if they don't have a partner, helping fund partner, that's helping to fund it becomes really difficult, especially uk childcare especially with the uk childcare situation . to be able to stay at

situation. to be able to stay at home, you know, and be able to support the right. okay, just such a three, three quick things that if a man isn't providing the child support agency, which has been in the seventies, has been in since the seventies, that's very effective the second point is that you you were saying that women are penalised for taking time off. that's just not true. if women choose to have a child, no one is forcing them to have a child. no no, no. they don't choose to have a child. the both couples choose to have a child. it's not the woman on her. okay. well, then you know, it needs a man as well. find my point. my well. find the from my point. my third point single third point is most single mothers struggling. mothers are not struggling. that's why there are so many of them. state is largely them. the state is largely bankrolled by men , and yet it's bankrolled by men, and yet it's women who take out the most money from the public purse . but money from the public purse. but it be husbands , but it wouldn't be husbands, but only for the it would not be bankrolled if women had the same opportunities to earn your money so they don't have the same thing. is there anything in law

which that women don't have the same opportunities? is there any i mean there's, you know is there any legislation that says, by the way, women you've got to earn 20% less than men? no, absolutely not is society , absolutely not is society, especially the uk society and men within that society . and you men within that society. and you know, perhaps international women's day, a good stance on it would be to ask men, you know, if you don't think it's fair, please raise it within companies to make sure that women i was having the twitter discussion with somebody before a feminist and she lambasted me for getting involved in international women's that's women's day. apparently, that's a men are a safe space that men are ianed. a safe space that men are invited . there's a of invited. there's a bit of inconsistency there . but, you inconsistency there. but, you know, don't agree you are know, i don't agree that you are huge successful. you've run a huge be successful. you've run a multi—million business, you are living proof that women can do no wrong. 20% business or you're simply successful. i'm not paid 20% less, but you know, i won you won international. wonderful. congratulations what's the significance . okay, what's the significance. okay, look, let's try and steal each other's arguments here. give me

a good reason for international women's day. go on. the best reason you can come up with you can do it. you system fully means come on, big. no. come on, pete . you know, we're living in pete. you know, we're living in a world where. okay, and it's going to take away the best argument . i haven't seen that argument. i haven't seen that yet, but a good reason for international women's day would be if it raise the profiles and, address the issues affected by working class girls, specifically those who are affected gangs in affected by grooming gangs in this there you that's this country. there you that's yeah you agree which at yeah but you agree which at moment talking that was moment we're talking that was something was something that was that was important and relevant international this international women's day this year absolutely we year i would say absolutely we are funded we're funding are we're funded we're funding criminality go to you know one in three women in the world have experienced or physical experienced sexual or physical abuse their partners you abuse by their partners you know. yeah okay men also get punished. yeah. they just they go to just to say men don't talk about it either. go to just to say men don't talk about it either . they don't. about it either. they don't. it's a great undiscussed is that okay as we sort of break it to a

close, is there any need for any international anything gays and some weeks and years it doesn't give us a reason to up this disagreement. well, we could you say we honour, respect and protect and love every day. you know i would love to not need an international day or an international day or an international men's academy voter. i, i have been tasked to help raise awareness that anything is needed. the women deserve to have the same treatment as men let go. impossible to have the same treatment because we're totally different we're not sexes. we're not asking for equality as somebody they want equity. that's spooky . as a woman said that's spooky. as a woman said to me today, we don't want to use urinals. you know, we're not asking for the same some of the bikes. do you like. yeah, but. but what we're asking, would you give them equity? depends on give them equity? it depends on the . okay. and it's just the man. okay. and it's just about fairness, you know , if you about fairness, you know, if you have a daughter and daughter

isn't allowed to play football in school, even though the lionesses have you know, raised the profile massively . is that the profile massively. is that fair? i can't. the profile massively. is that fair? i can't . you're worried fair? i can't. you're worried about football in school when boys are the worst performing group in schools across the country and, you know, like men 7 country and, you know, like men ? does it do you know why have you done any research as to why? one woman explained it to me, rachel oh, come on, let's be nice . so according to a bbc nice. so according to a bbc survey , the reason boys are survey, the reason boys are performing worse in a—levels to go to university is because they don't feel the same need for education and therefore they do. an hour's less study. was it a day or a week? i can't remember, but they do less study than women because they don't need it. but there is an absolute argument as well being a parent of younger boys, that school is just not designed for boys on any level . they, you know, it's any level. they, you know, it's very much built around the female shakespeare science. and because girls are so much more content than boys, boys are just

redheads running around bumping into each other. they don't go to they still to university, but they still end earning more money end up earning more money overall are women. we have dropout . i overall are women. we have dropout. i think make very dropout. i think we make very reasonable. pretty sure you're getting money, rachel getting plenty of money, rachel . , i've been very lucky. . i mean, i've been very lucky. i think international women's day understanding my people. anyway, i would like just like rachel. what can peter lloyd coming up after the break i will be joined by journalist angela epstein to discuss my what the fox of the week you won't want to miss this i will see you.

in three. hello again . three. hello again. i three. hello again . i asked you earlier hello again. i asked you earlier in the show, is there any point in the show, is there any point in international women's day and marian says, why not in from twitter said no . why do we need twitter said no. why do we need it specifically for ? anything it specifically for? anything aside religious aside from religious celebrations ? dickie says when

celebrations? dickie says when are being attacked in their safe spaces are being threatened then? absolutely. yes which i kind of agree with. you know, we all are obliterating from real life and. you know, no one seems to be standing up for them. so, yeah, i'm kind of i'm a bit going a bit woke. it's worrying. michelle twitter. absolutely. there are still many disenfranchised women who need recognition. another twitter user says there's no need for day or any other fatuous labelled day. that was me . but labelled day. that was me. but it's not anymore . anyway the it's not anymore. anyway the cheesy cheshire cat , chris cheesy cheshire cat, chris batman's got into hot water again for his clumsy comments, and this time even the beeb appeared to be slightly perturbed. oh judges, a.k.a. gary lineker , tweeted about the gary lineker, tweeted about the government's new asylum plan, saying there is no huge influx. we take far fewer refugees in other major european countries. this is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable of people in language that is not dissimilar

to that used by the germany. by germany in the 1930s. and i'm out of order. question mark. the bbc says lineker is being spoken to about it his impartiality responsibilities otherwise as pats on the back by everyone at the bbc while the home secretary suella braverman says she disappointed by the comments. joining me to discuss this is journalist angela epstein. angela, what do you think of gary lineker's comments? i think they were crass. they were completely inappropriate and have no real understanding of . have no real understanding of. what 1930. germany was all about . i think we can all agree that the crisis surrounding illegal migration is something that needs to be sorted, not least because innocent people every day are losing their lives. and are being ruthlessly exploited by a all the that are sorting out the crossings on these small boats. but setting that aside, germany this was a this was a

state which which committed murder government sponsored industrialised murder women. babies. children. men all ages. former war heroes . fought for former war heroes. fought for germany. people right across europe were rounded up, deported and thrown into gas chambers , and thrown into gas chambers, predominantly because they were jewish. 6 million jews were murdered, but also there were people who were murdered because their political persuasion. people were murdered for their sexuality . this is not this sexuality. this is not this isn't entirely different conversation. and what lineker has done is, apart from showing his appalling lack of knowledge about human history. he's demonstrated is just demonstrated that this is just the master of the soundbite and in the process, what he does is he the conversation he devalues the conversation surrounding immigration, because everybody up in arms everybody has been up in arms about his choice of words about the his choice of words and whether he should have said anything. and he hugely anything. and he also hugely devalues insults whose devalues and insults whose families and who we still have survivors of the holocaust who went through those terrible penods went through those terrible periods and are somehow being

used, sort of kicked around as as a kind of , used, sort of kicked around as as a kind of, neat sort of armchair criticism . and it is armchair criticism. and it is just entirely inappropriate . just entirely inappropriate. what do you think, motor names, people like gary lineker to annoy the hell out of everybody else with his pathetic virtues signalling. i mean, much as i defend his right to do it. what's he trying to achieve ? what's he trying to achieve? well, i think possibly i'm not gary lineker , as you can see, gary lineker, as you can see, but i am sure it is international women's day. well, we've never been seen in the same room at the same time, so i couldn't possibly comment. but the point is that he is somebody who has a huge platform because he has a massive following. he was a world class football , the was a world class football, the stuarts match of the day has millions of viewers. he's got a massive following on social media. so but a lot of those things are energised and given horsepower by the fact that he's on bbc's payroll now because on the bbc's payroll now because he's bbc payroll . he's he's on the bbc payroll. he's obuged he's on the bbc payroll. he's obliged subscribe to the obliged to subscribe to the values of so—called lack of bias

that the corporation maintains it adopts . and you can't have it it adopts. and you can't have it both ways . you know, you can't both ways. you know, you can't say that i've got the right to free speech. we've got the right to free speech because we're not funded by the state broadcaster he is. and that's what he has to think what doing. and think what he's doing. and i think what he's doing. and i think sometimes people i think there are two points here. first of all, maybe he thinks he's invincible , that he's invincible, that he's so valuable away with valuable he can get away with doing it and he's also just not thinking anything other the thinking anything other than the fact gary lineker. i fact that i'm gary lineker. i can say what i like. i'm not denying that he feels it. the immigration crisis the immigration crisis and the illegal immigrants the illegal immigrants and the plights are caught plights of those who are caught up this. i'm sure he's up in this. i'm sure he's absolutely in but absolutely sincere in that. but but think, you know, he has to step step from either bbc step step from either his bbc fat wage packet or he has to step away from the debate . yeah. step away from the debate. yeah. i mean , that's not covered. i i mean, that's not covered. i mean, i also i admire and celebrate right to free speech and keyboard warrior that he does. but is it now time that people can go to prison for not

paying people can go to prison for not paying the tv licence ? it not paying the tv licence? it not time to get gary lineker and boost the bbc who are laughably partial about these matters. well i think if it is clear that he's broken the laws of and this is not first time that he's done it , then serious conversations it, then serious conversations in a wrap over the knuckles is not really enough. i mean, it's for him to kind of conflate the crisis surrounding the illegal immigrants . and the 1930s immigrants. and the 1930s germany, which is, of course, the prologue to the holocaust is giving fantastic fuel to all those who would downplay the impact of the holocaust. and i'm not overstay baiting the case here. this was the blackest moment in human history. something from which we all have so much to because it so much to learn, because it shows hatred , evil were not shows how hatred, evil were not challenged , enforced by the challenged, enforced by the state can have devastating consequences. it's not something to be moved around as part of a kind of chess game in soundbites on social media. so i think

where lineker is concerned, really, i think he's overstepped the this time . he has been the mark this time. he has been told before he's done it before and i think the bbc now have to either say one strike and you're out , know if they're going to out, know if they're going to slay the golden or they're going to say this is your on a final warning . i would i would i would warning. i would i would i would imagine it will be nigh. i imagine it will be nigh. i imagine it will be nigh. i imagine it will be neither. and gary be left to virtue signal to the end of time. andrew epstein, thank you. the bbc have issued a statement . the bbc thank you. the bbc have issued a statement. the bbc has thank you. the bbc have issued a statement . the bbc has the statement. the bbc has the social media guidance which published. individuals who work for us are aware of their responsibilities to social media. we have appropriate internal processes in place if required . i love reading these required. i love reading these bbc impartiality. required. i love reading these bbc impartiality . nyt from the bbc impartiality. nyt from the after break. i will be talking to pharmacist and reality star now, so grab a drink and see you

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in three. now for the best part of the show where i talk to some of the biggest names, showbiz and politics, and i'm enjoying this evening by nicki. superfan and reality star. so i thought. so i was joined by nicki minaj. i was like, oh, let's this prize a reality star. never. he told who made his tv debut on the apprentice in 2018, where he was hoping to get that 250 grand investment from lord sugar , the investment from lord sugar, the pharmacist and reality star joins me now in the studio now. welcome to the show. thank you. lauren gingery is here. we're still water now. are you still water? does agentes still water tape? no, not. are you familiar with the american podcast? steven crowder ? i have no clue, steven crowder? i have no clue, to be honest . so he has this to be honest. so he has this thing called change my. okay. and you have said that you're about. and you have said that you're about . yes, i am . there's no

about. yes, i am. there's no such thing as bisexual. bisexual. change my mind . bisexual. change my mind. bisexual. change my mind. bisexual your mind? i mean , try bisexual your mind? i mean, try to see what bisexuality doesn't change my mind. oh but you know what? well, you know what? it's good to have a 5050 and have a bit of physique. or is it greedy? you know what? you have to experiment in life, lawrence? i mean, we just never i about we live once . it's like, you know, live once. it's like, you know, why not just try , you know? you why not just try, you know? you know. yeah. you only go exac . know. yeah. you only go exac. well, good for you. but you haven't changed my mind so far to say yes to me. so you wouldn't you say you're saying that we need to we need to increase and raise awareness in pharmacies now in there in community. right lawrence. so, obviously, to me , yeah. i spoke obviously, to me, yeah. i spoke to you with social media platform. i'm trying to kind of make more of an awareness in terms of what the role of the pharmacy is, what pharmacies do , and really kind of like what do they do? i mean , if you're

do they do? i mean, if you're sick. yes if you're feeling rubbish, right? yeah. sick. yes if you're feeling rubbish, right ? yeah. okay. so rubbish, right? yeah. okay. so you've got beginnings of a bug, which you don't like fight pharmacy or doctor pharmacy, darling . pharmacy, pharmacy, darling. pharmacy, pharmacy, pharmacy . i would love it if you pharmacy. i would love it if you were my pharmacist. you know what it is, lawrence, as well. is that what people not aware of is that i'm also like prescribe prescribers, a pharmacist . can prescribers, a pharmacist. can you prescribe prescribed? sure. he took to the show but he took off to the show but depending obviously on is but it's just got i'm on the end of it's just got i'm on the end of it i'm it's just it's more basically my clinical competence but it's more like if they need antibiotics or blood can use the antibiotics. yes of course. yeah, i'm qualified to do that. i'm i'm a prescribe and that's that's we pulled up. yeah. and that's we pulled up. yeah. and that's is that people are not aware of and it's just always what's really frustrating, lawrence, is that people i need to go to my doctors . i'm like, to go to my doctors. i'm like, no, my darling, you need to come me. i can examine you, diagnose you, and give you the

appropriate treatment modelling and don't waste the time. how do you do that? yeah, of course i don't. so so if i feel like, you know, when you get like a strep throat or something. yeah that really. yeah . and you know in really. oh yeah. and you know in my mother's case she just turned around. i've done think it's viral, darling. you do viral, darling. something you do about was a severe about it. but if it was a severe bacterial infection , you can. bacterial infection, you can. i could come to you and you give me one of those new antibiotic jobs in the. what's it called that one in the big packet. the what? you mean the everyday amoxicillin . yeah, the amoxicillin. yeah, the amoxicillin. yeah, the amoxicillin. you could . you amoxicillin. you could. you could exactly. but obviously be honest they got that the thing. but the thing is i'll be asking a lot of questions though, in the sense of questions. what the culture, what you want to know, like in the cell wasn't there oh didn't touch the guy. no. like in the sense of what colour your sputum is for example, if it's green it could be a sign of bacterial but also green it could be a sign of bactetol but also green it could be a sign of bacteto just but also green it could be a sign of bacteto just make but also green it could be a sign of bacteto just make sure also green it could be a sign of bacteto just make sure ilso green it could be a sign of bacteto just make sure i do some have to just make sure i do some physical checking your physical checks checking your blood pressure. so i have to do the check. so basically the food check. so basically

what a doctor really, but what a doctor does really, but it be done a community it can be done a community setting. that's such a great setting. so that's such a great service to the community. i mean, i literally didn't know yesterday exact what else can pharmacies do that the audience might know? i mean honestly, might not know? i mean honestly, laurence, just laurence, people think we just grabbed the shelf grabbed medicine from the shelf . we're . we give it. but we're obviously expert when comes obviously expert when it comes to medicine in. so anything to do with medical interactions we deprived. so you need to ask us and unfortunately would gp's then not really like an expert in medicine . then not really like an expert in medicine. it's then not really like an expert in medicine . it's not in medicine. it's not a reference to any doctors out saying it turns out to gp is on expert see medicine change my because honestly laurence there's so many mistakes that gp's make on the prescription when it comes to the medicine medication , the dose, the medication, the dose, the strength and it's like we have to correct them . but to correct them. but unfortunately doctors do get off when we correct . they're like, when we correct. they're like, oh but we're gp allowed household pharmacists. i'd say the heat off for it on oh sorry . oh sorry. i do that. okay i

want to know about the apprentice. right with people and why . so just to be safe in and why. so just to be safe in the beginning, when did you decide? i'm out of the pharmacy for a bit you prescribe the end of politics. so i mean, with the apprentice i was like, you know what i'm i mean i do come from a business family. so like, business family. so it's like, you and dad are you know, my mum and dad are both entrepreneurs and i was like the apprentice , a great like the apprentice, a great show for me to actually see what the is about and if i if i the show is about and if i if i can potentially win the 250 k investment with lord sugar himself. and do you enjoy your time on it? you know what, laurence? if i'm being transparent , it was a really transparent, it was a really tough process and, you know, it's is a tv show at the end of the day. and you know, it just it was disappointing but you know, it did open a lot of doors for me and i was really grateful for me and i was really grateful for that. and you learn something. you learn valuable lessons. what was my little trick that was intimidating after the lord sugar was definitely intimidating in the

sense whenever you're in that boardroom and you're like sat in front of lord sugar, you're like, oh my gosh, like your heart just pounds as is brother in me . don't know, like, can you in me. don't know, like, can you do that lawrence? can you imagine what you do? like the apprentice? no, no, i did terrible. i be really bad. it. it's like i've got a totally different way of doing this, and no one else would really be fired on day one. and so what. so your passions are pharmacy. yes drawing. what about celebrity dating ? yes, exactly. celebrity dating? yes, exactly. so how did that go? a few months? yes. after got booked to do celebs go dating and obviously unfortunately were you dating. well i was actually dating. well i was actually dating a variety of both male and female really. so greedy. well you know was you have to experiment what you like i mean laurence and with me i'm not beenin laurence and with me i'm not been in a relationship before . i been in a relationship before. i was really confused in a sense . was really confused in a sense. what is it that i like and who am i? i was always confused because i never i never came to

terms with my sexuality, to be honest with you. i was a bit all over the place. what do you mean? so, like, is that is that from a from a childhood thing or is that what it was? yeah i think it's more of a my like a childhood thing and it's something where i've always been career and. i never career driven and. i never actually thought about relationship with relationship or being with someone. so i never like it was never a priority to me. so i thought by doing celebs go dating, it would be the perfect opportunity me experience opportunity me to experience what i like and just see where it takes me. but unfortunately it takes me. but unfortunately it came out single , you know, it came out single, you know, how can you be single? can you imagine? i don't if maybe you should one way or the other is l, should one way or the other is i, you know, i'm going to go. girls who? boys i maybe that would help but the thing is as it's also because i'm still a virgin as well, you know. so it's like i still don't know. i like really i don't know what to say, well , with the lovely two say, well, with the lovely two agents i had in the process who were helping with is pull those two agents on the show. they

were amazing, but they're very patient with me . so, you know, i patient with me. so, you know, i think maybe, maybe it's hard to track to a date or mate if you're not quite sure whether you're not quite sure whether you know which sex you want to be with. that's the thing i. mean, i was like know with me i want to go more for the personal data and really more about that person and just think it's more about the vibe and the energy really to see what i mean. you can get guys who are quite feminine, girls are quite masculine energy really. it does kind of boil down to which one you're into. that's the thing. i mean, if it's guy, i would definitely prefer a masculine vibe, not feminine, but you know, talking like must. know, you're talking like must. yeah it's you what i mean? yeah it's you know what i mean? masculine. have feeling masculine. i have a feeling i might i know which way might i might know which way this world you know, i mean, this is. world you know, i mean, laurence, but like, i mean, with female , i mean, it's more about female, i mean, it's more about the personality . i mean, female, i mean, it's more about the personality. i mean, keep the personality. i mean, i keep saying nicki minaj as an example, yeah , with example, but like, yeah, with that kind of character, someone who's strong, like, you know,

who's strong, like, you know, who you know, who doesn't love a strong, empowering woman. like, it's i think it's it's incredible. i think it's inspired she know inspired ing. i mean, she know what i mean and international women's day is usher was they definitely don't come out and international women's day and you know i mean what's next for you? what are you up to next? you know what the next for me is laurence is to really just continue to using my platform to just put out the pharmacy, pharmacy, pharmacy , really pharmacy, pharmacy, really educating people, but doing like quirky videos , education, quirky videos, education, education and fun . and i'm education and fun. and i'm hoping with the platform that i've done already this help and you teach people and open paths really i just feel like there's a lot with pharmacies and i want that voice i love it and thank you for telling me that i can now go to my own pharmacy and well, you can come to me. come to me, baby. you never know what would happen. oh, no, i'll look after you. i know you're. thank

you . so joining or occupy, you. so joining or occupy, right? coming up next is the lovely jacob rees—mogg first of the weather . hello again. it's the weather. hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from . the aidan mcgivern here from. the met office. there'll be further in places during the next 24 hours. but the emphasis for snow shifts a bit further north as milder air returns the far south associated with these weather fronts and. the cold air hangs on across the rest of the uk as the weather fronts bring rain to the weather fronts bring rain to the far south, the northern edge of them will result in snow mainly on wednesday evening . mainly on wednesday evening. parts of wales, especially over higher parts as well as the midlands, where we're likely to see those spells of bring perhaps some disruption to ten centimetres in places that peters out by the end of the night and it stays dry with clear spells for scotland, northern ireland, northern england, with temperatures below freezing . a few snow freezing in places. a few snow flurries north of flurries for the north of scotland. otherwise fine scotland. otherwise mostly fine as into thursday. showers as we go into thursday. showers of in the far south of of rain in the far south of england and south wales with

temperatures here above freezing as gusty wind though as we the day. gusty wind though continuing in between for northern ireland, north wales, the north and northern england. here we could see an increasingly wintry scene during thursday. rain at the very lowest levels and drying coasts. but above 100 metres. the potential disruptive snow, especially the peak district north into the north. that's where it's possible. we'll see 10 to 20 centimetres for even populated like leeds, bradford, sheffield , wakefield and for sheffield, wakefield and for some of the most exposed spots , some of the most exposed spots, 20 to 40 centimetres of snow, some significant disruption then for routes and that continues into friday morning. that's why there's an amber warning for this part of northern england and the north midlands. otherwise on friday we'll see those spells of snow tend to drift further south, perhaps returning some snowfall to mid—wales, the midlands and east anglia for a time on friday morning, eventually it peters out drier conditions return from the north and the northwest with some sunshine, but it stays cold

and it will be cold as we start saturday fairly wide the another band of rain moves in with some snow again over northern hills .

good evening. i'm jacob , state good evening. i'm jacob, state of the nation tonight , it's been of the nation tonight, it's been a record breaking night and day of plunging temperatures even in the perpetual sunshine in somerset. there's been a little bit of snow interrupting it. i must have missed the memo to say that global warming's been cancelled. anyway, i. amidst yesterday's of the new immigration legislation, i had a conversation with immigration minister robert jenrick earlier today. miriam is here after handing a dossier containing an abundance of disturbing material being taught to our children . being taught to our children. you won't want to miss it. being taught to our children. you won't want to miss it . and you won't want to miss it. and vox populi vox de we ask the people was gary linklater wrong to compare the migrant

legislation to germany? hesitate of what