welcome to will be a very busy mark dolan tonight in my big opinion following the fierce debate around gary lineker , the debate around gary lineker, the message is a clear one. what's the point in having borders if you don't police them? it's time to sort out this issue once and for all in the big question. and when come joins me to discuss whether jeremy hunt should splash the cash next week's budget. has he got should he look after working brits should he cut taxes. all of that with an widdicombe shortly. plus, in the news agenda i'm asking is keir right to back gary lineker and he might take a ten as people borrowed money for private operations and pay to tutor their kids at home. the

pubuc tutor their kids at home. the public sector isn't working loss to get through. my big opinion and my last final thoughts on gary lineker. but first, the headunes. gary lineker. but first, the headlines . karen armstrong . hi headlines. karen armstrong. hi there. very good evening to you. let's get you up to date with the latest from newsroom. and we do start gary lineker. some breaking news between the presenter and the bbc are thought to be moving in the right direction following second day of disrupted sport coverage . the broadcaster there are . the broadcaster says there are hopes a resolution soon, but hopes of a resolution soon, but that not all issues have been fully resolved. mr. lineker dodged questions from reporters regarding his future. we know the match of the day, too, will run for just 15 the match of the day, too, will run forjust 15 minutes tonight run for just 15 minutes tonight without putting it to a commentary as fellow presenters continue to show solidarity with mr. lineker. five live radio sport coverage is radically altered on both days this weekend and former bbc executive roger bolton says the controversy is diverting attention away from the real

issue. it's this argument about what is impartiality and, who must be impartial. what is impartiality and, who must be impartial . that is a must be impartial. that is a wider question, of course the other thing that's happening here is the political, particularly the government governing parties see this as wonderful opportunity in the culture wars to create trouble and attention from the fundamental issue here, which is illegal immigration, which is extreme or difficult to deal with . the prime minister is with. the prime minister is currently flying to confirm plans to australia with nuclear powered amid concern about the growing threat from china. a rishi sunak will meet his australia counterpart, anthony and the us. president joe biden to flesh out a major defence deal as part of the 2021 orcas pact. mr. is expected to unveil a new review defence and foreign policy as well , which will set policy as well, which will set out the uk's approach to threats from moscow . a consortium of from moscow. a consortium of investor is led by the start up

bank. investor is led by the start up bank . london has submitted bank. london has submitted a formal proposal for the uk arm of the silicon valley bank . the of the silicon valley bank. the bank's uk subsidiary will be put into insolvency this evening . into insolvency this evening. the government says it will do everything it can to protect uk tech firms . companies, though, tech firms. companies, though, could start to experience difficulties on monday morning . difficulties on monday morning. the chancellor jeremy hunt says the treasury is working to make sure they don't run out of cash is the biggest failure of a us bank since thousand and eight and now us governmental and it is now us governmental control . the health secretary's control. the health secretary's criticised junior doctors for failing to call off their strike action tomorrow . writing in the action tomorrow. writing in the telegraph, steve barclay described the 72 hour walk out as incredibly disappointing. the british medical association has described his comments as why his recent offer to negotiate as a feeble attempt to stall proceedings. it is expected to affect many services , including affect many services, including a&e, cancer , maternity care and a&e, cancer, maternity care and everything everywhere all at once is the favourite to win

best picture at the oscars, which underway shortly in hollywood . they will face stiff hollywood. they will face stiff competition from the banshees of inisherin, which has an irish record , nine nominations and all record, nine nominations and all quiet on the western front. nye is up for the best actor award for his role in the living, an andrea riseborough , a best andrea riseborough, a best actress nomination for the film. to lesley. ceremony gets underway at midnight was it for the moment. tv online and dab plus radio. this is gb news. now back to the great mark dolan tonight . tonight. my tonight. my thanks to aaron armstrong who returns in hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight. a cracker of a show tonight coming up in my big opinion , following the my big opinion, following the fierce debate around gary lineker, the message is a clear . what's the point in having .what's the point in having borders if you don't police them? my final thoughts in what

has been a sorry affair is the big question. should jeremy hunt splash the cash in next week's budget ? i'll splash the cash in next week's budget? i'll be debating that with former conservative minister and tv personality ann widdecombe and rishi sunak's. local authority has upgrade the national just to accommodate his heated swimming pool. will wealth lose him? the next election? do you have a problem with rich politicians ? my mop with rich politicians? my mop meets guest is the maverick former labour mp and jeremy corbyn critic , the man who corbyn critic, the man who helped expose the rochdale grooming gangs simon dunkirk. he's live in the studio . what he's live in the studio. what does he think of keir starmer ? does he think of keir starmer? can starmer win next election ? can starmer win next election? it might take a as people money for private operations and pay extra to tutor their kids at home and with some now using private police think the public sector isn't . it's time that sector isn't. it's time that taxpayer has got some bang for their buck . we've got tomorrow's

their buck. we've got tomorrow's papers exactly 1030 sharp with full panel reaction and in the news agenda with labour councillor brendan chilton i'll be asking was cast on the right to back gary lineker reacting to those stories and to many more. my those stories and to many more. my all star panel of journalist and political consultant emma burnell historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolt and conservative mp and now political commentator and consultant neil parish . as consultant neil parish. as always, i want to hear from you throughout the show. mark gbnews.uk the best bit of the show is when you get touch and look, it's 9:00, so hopefully the kids are in bed. you might want to crack open bottle of something cold and fizzy, all fire the kettle. either way, lots to get . 2 hours of big lots to get. 2 hours of big debates. big guests and always big opinions. debates. big guests and always big opinions . let's start with big opinions. let's start with this . one what

big opinions. let's start with this. one what a big opinions. let's start with this . one what a bonkers week big opinions. let's start with this. one what a bonkers week as a major us bank collapses , a major us bank collapses, provoking fears of another credit crunch as brits struggle with a cost of living crisis with a cost of living crisis with . inflation through the with. inflation through the roof. with a pivotal budget coming up this week, which will seal the fate of the economy for the next few years. and with a war to rage in the east having an ongoing impact on western supplies, we're talking about ex—footballer crisp salesman gary lineker . ex—footballer crisp salesman gary lineker. he's had his chips . now, at first glance, it's a trivial story, but in reality it's , anything but because it it's, anything but because it revealed how fractured the national conversation is on many issues . and it's a drama which issues. and it's a drama which has severely tested the reputation of our state broadcaster, the bbc . why? well, broadcaster, the bbc. why? well, for all of its strengths and weaknesses and, i think there are plenty of great radio and tv programmes that it produces . the

programmes that it produces. the foundation of the bbc must be impartiality. the beeb marks and spencer costa coffee and british must be a service for all. we can debate . the rights and can debate. the rights and wrongs of rishi sunak's migrant , but for one of the organisation's biggest stars to create this incredible political row has created a nightmare , a row has created a nightmare, a headache, and an existential crisis for his employer the beeb. and i'm not sure that helps anyone, given the fact the bbc is revered footprints and its outstanding legacy of television radio online output film production is peerless . a film production is peerless. a talented guy . he film production is peerless. a talented guy. he is ratings for match of the day actually soared by half a million last night and the brilliant patrick christie's and myself nicked a good few thousand viewers off him as well. patrick the and i put the programme together in an afternoon it was the alternative

match of the day and it was made on a budget of 11 pe. here are some highlights . good evening. some highlights. good evening. it's 10:00 some highlights. good evening. it's10:00 and tonight we make history . this is the alternative history. this is the alternative match of the day live on gb news is with me, mark dolan and patrick christys. patrick, go easy these ahead tonight minutes of the best of football reaction and the finest analysis . our top and the finest analysis. our top commentary team . eamonn, first commentary team. eamonn, first of all, we're making tv and history. it is the alternative match of the day. your reaction as a broadcasting legend ? i fell as a broadcasting legend? i fell . i will keep you keep out it, lads. keep on. yes. well, it does appear that this thing is working. no is no good. okay. well, i will tell you, leftovers . great. i mean, it was absolutely back . beautiful. i'll absolutely back. beautiful. i'll see you at the. let me put it to you straight. i gary lineker is

a pre ring narcissist whose political pronouncements exist only to signal what a lovely guy he , except that his he, except that his participation in the world cup qatar at stadia built by slaves 6000 of whom died in the 40 degree heat and his battle hmrc to get his tax bill down by millions of pounds sends quite a different message and don't think that lineker gives two figures about the bbc , which is figures about the bbc, which is why he has time and again flouted the very important impartiality guidelines . you impartiality guidelines. you just can't force people to pay a pubuc just can't force people to pay a public tax, which is what the licence fee is for presenters on the public payroll . to then wag the public payroll. to then wag their fingers, takes on a complex and divisive like migration and effectively demonise half the population who want something as a bunch of heartless racists. it's my view that we must accept people who

need refuge. we always have and we should have a healthy debate about how many. but also in my view, the illegal crossings are humanitarian, economic and national security. disaster which cost lives impact local communities and unscrupulous internet criminals . a knee jerk internet criminals. a knee jerk reaction and an impulse to do the right thing and be nice in relation to the migrant crisis is really tipping your hat to the idea of an open borders policy with no thought of the long term consequences , long term consequences, particularly in relation to enforced housing. school places and nhs already on its knees. in end, democracy will save and this difficult issue will be settled at the next election. when sunak goes to the country. now lineker has his supporters , now lineker has his supporters, but history is a harsh teaching

teacher and the climate's a do the right thing and b during the pandemic saw the country locked down on and off for two and a half years as we paid perfectly healthy people to stay at home wrecking the economy borrowing half a trillion pounds and cranking up national debt to 2.1 trillion. in my view, people were needlessly locked , masked were needlessly locked, masked and subjected vaccine tyranny. all in the name of doing the right thing and being nice . right thing and being nice. wrecking the economy feel like the right thing now? does and a waiting list of 7 million people in the nhs isn't very nice, is it ? on the national radio and it? on the national radio and television airwaves? i pushed back on what i considered a damaging and hysterical reaction to a potentially dangerous but largely mild season . no largely mild season. no respiratory virus . well, we're respiratory virus. well, we're seeing the same emotive clamour now in relation to the migrant crisis . again, virtue signalling

crisis. again, virtue signalling media types and politicians screaming their heads off for a more relaxed border policy , more relaxed border policy, which would have serious implications for this country in the years ahead . fair play to the years ahead. fair play to all, gary , though he has at all, gary, though he has at least got us this important national conversation , but it's national conversation, but it's one that should be had on this programme . and programmes like programme. and programmes like question time not match of the day . what do you think? do you day. what do you think? do you agree to disagree? let me know. many would argue that gary lineker been consistent in his humanity sharing views. he has taken refugees and uses his platform to give a voice to those who have none. in the course of this tumultuous week. he has enjoyed a massive outpouring of public support. well, as from his colleagues and the public . there are plenty of the public. there are plenty of top lawyers also who argue that the new migrant plan is cruel, unworkable and morally wrong . so

unworkable and morally wrong. so what's your view, mark, at gbnews.uk reacting to that and the big of the day historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolts . former oldroyd bolts. former conservative mp neil parish and journalist and political consultant emma burnell. emma, can i start with you? what do you think about this issue of nice doing the right thing but thinking through the consequences . not necessarily consequences. not necessarily thought through the consequences? he has a different opinion how we should be treating migrants. that doesn't mean that he hasn't thought that we should be investing more in the systems that that. he the systems that manage that. he one tweet and then one response tweet . you're not going to put tweet. you're not going to put whole policy into that. but that doesn't mean that he hasn't done the reading and actually has a view. you may or may not agree with that view, but not to say that he's a he didn't really start this conversation , john. start this conversation, john. first of all, the government started it by footing the bill for what did they wanted to have

this conversation. and that's they put the bill forward. that their and the way their conversation and the way they wanted have it has been they wanted to have it has been completely derailed an completely derailed by an argument bbc is a argument over the bbc is a question of their management. but yeah that's when the conversations . gary lineker as conversations. gary lineker as citizen joined in that conversation . that's his perfect conversation. that's his perfect right to do so. okay david oldroyd bolt , what are your oldroyd bolt, what are your thoughts about this? i feel there are parallel between the clamour for lockdowns during the pandemic because that was the nice thing to do. and i think we're all suffering now because of virtue signalling in of that virtue signalling in masking and all the rest of it and think are parallels and think there are parallels now that and calling for an now with that and calling for an effective open borders policy in relation channel you're relation to the channel you're right, people who take as right, it's people who take as their mantra be nice because they never have to suffer the consequences of not being nice in this instance just as those who during the lockdown for ever stricter lockdowns ever stricter measures and by and large did not have to suffer consequences. ihave not have to suffer consequences. i have to disagree with emma

that mr. lineker has a right to express issue. he doesn't. he is funded his career by a poll tax . you have no option but to pay for it. and the trade off of that that he is accepted by signing his contract is that while he is taking the bbc coin, he not express political views party political views of this nature . it was , in the first nature. it was, in the first instance, crass . it was instance, crass. it was historically illiterate. the comparison made. so i would suggest that is if it was any reading at all, it was rather shallow. but in the second instance, he simply shouldn't have made. it is not yet the best of my knowledge. apologise for what he said, which was , as for what he said, which was, as we crass , and we say, historically crass, and he not have made it in he should not have made it in first place. he's paid an enormous by you and by enormous amount by you and by all your views have televisions because they are by law pay because they are by law to pay him. he should accept with grace if he wants to go and campaign and he's his instincts may well be laudable they may well be humanitarian , they may well be humanitarian, they may well be moral . but he does not have the moral. but he does not have the right to use his platform to

espouse them. he should go the private sector into politics. if that's what he wants to do and use the many millions he's made from the taxpayer to put good from the taxpayer to put to good end neil parish , great end in that. neil parish, great to have you back on the show . to have you back on the show. gary lineker sends a tweet. he gets to prop up his brand as a really nice guy without any thought for the real world consequences of illegal migration into this country. i'm talking about towns and villages , migrant hotels . it's turned , migrant hotels. it's turned many people's lives upside down. yeah, i mean, what offends me most with his is when he relates it back to germany and what happened know the holocaust and everything that happened germany that was just over egging the pudding now he can have a view i'm not so worked up in having a view against the policy the is bringing in but of course you know there's many people out there who are, as you say, very concern around about what's happening also, you know, i mean, these criminal are putting people in boats and they're

drowning on the way the channel. so we got to send a very strong message . yes, the language is message. yes, the language is quite tough and sometimes one feels uncomfortable with . but in feels uncomfortable with. but in the end, we got to try and stop those boats. and i think what we doing now is helping. i think are concerned with with their both their schooling, you know, housing, everything is under pressure at the moment. so i think it's to just say that can't do anything about it . and can't do anything about it. and if you do talk about the migrants, then you are wrong. and i think gary lineker, as is being said , is employed by the being said, is employed by the bbc albeit on some sort of private contract , he probably private contract, he probably reduces his tax bill. but at the end of the day he is bound by that and he shouldn't be. and it's a style . and the way he it's a style. and the way he tweeted it and then he doesn't he doesn't back does it, you see. he just keeps going and when people ask him because see he's beyond he's so he's so

popular he feels and he's indispensable now . many of us in indispensable now. many of us in both politics and the media have considered perhaps ourselves indispensable . so one thing you indispensable. so one thing you can be certain of is we are not indispensable . and that is that indispensable. and that is that is i think , where we're getting is i think, where we're getting very dangerous and yes, his supporters will definitely say, yes, carry on, gary because, of course, you know, they they are following the social media, but it doesn't make it right. what he's doing . there's many other he's doing. there's many other people out there don't people out there that don't agree okay. well, we agree with him. okay. well, we do have a developing story, which is sources suggesting which is sources are suggesting that this issue between the bbc and gary lineker will be resolved within the next 24 hours, amicably is what we're hearing. therefore money is on gary lineker to return as host match of the day next saturday. your reaction market gb news dot uk it looks like the comeback is on. lots more to get through at

10:00 in my take it ten people are now paying to chew to their kids at home. people using private security to police the streets and they're paying for operations privately . the public operations privately. the public sector isn't . we'll debate that sector isn't. we'll debate that at ten, but coming up has rishi sunak's local council to update its electricity just to accommodate heated pool. will his lose him the next election ? his lose him the next election? do you have a problem with rich politicians ? but next up, politicians? but next up, looking forward to this debate. should jeremy hunt splash the cash in next week's budget? we'll debate that with politics legend ann widdecombe. see you .

a email from jack. hi mark ace show is always lockdown cost me a heart attack . i will probably a heart attack. i will probably die in the next few years as a result of that policy . jack, i

result of that policy. jack, i hope that's not the case. i'm very glad that you were you were and kicking and able to send me email do stay in touch market. keep your chin up big guy you will you'll fine. how about this from colin? mark, what is this nonsense ? the tv licence being nonsense? the tv licence being an unavoidable tax. i haven't had a tv for three years. like millions of others, i stream everything including gb news on youtube fb. the beeb is doomed . youtube fb. the beeb is doomed. charles says. what one, especially on the left, mentions , is that these asylum seekers are fleeing a safe country , are fleeing a safe country, namely france. richard mark, regarding your big opinion, when the bbc reinstate gary lineker, it will give the be nice elites , an extra feeling of self—importance and make them even more vicious and bold in their reign of hatred upon all of us that disagree them. it's a depressing victory for the nasty people. thank goodness the gb news and the people's channel. last but not least, bruce says,

hi, mark, i'm struggling to pay my rent electric food at cetera. so if illegal immigration is no longer illegal, can i now squat in gary's house with no consequences ? well put, bruce. consequences? well put, bruce. thank you for that . on a point thank you for that. on a point of order. and we like to make sure that we stick to the facts here on mark dolan tonight. gary lineker did not talk about. he said some of the language in what the home secretary suella braverman said had echoes of germany in the 1930s. and it's important to make that distinction now. it's time for this . wednesday sees a pivotal this. wednesday sees a pivotal for the near term fate of the british economy. in other words, your and mine or let's be more accurate your debt and my debts. yes, it's jeremy march budget . yes, it's jeremy march budget. although the country is still counting cost of the pandemic response and suffering stubborn wave of inflation which is

affecting most western economies better than expected economic growth at the end of 2022 and into 2023. and the possible avoidance of a technical recession this year, suggests the chancellor may have some physical headroom, some fiscal headroom which to support hard up brits or even deliver tax cuts . so what do we think that's cuts. so what do we think that's tonight's big question. is it safe at first next week or jeremy hunt splash the cash. let's get the views . the always let's get the views. the always fiscally prudent former conservative government minister, best author and television personality to ann widdecombe. good evening on. good evening, mark. and should hunt splash the cash next week's budget . well he should certainly budget. well he should certainly spendin budget. well he should certainly spend in the interests of future growth and i think what he should be spending is money on tax cuts because without tax

cuts we, call them stimulate the economy and without stimulating the economy , growth is going to the economy, growth is going to remain sluggish , is going to remain sluggish, is going to remain sluggish, is going to remain with . and so we do need remain with. and so we do need to stimulate the economy . we to stimulate the economy. we also need to become very competitive as a result of brexit and take full advantage of brexit. so i would say that he should taxes both personal taxes and business particularly , but generally abandon plans to raise corporation tax which shouldn't be driving out. i mean we already have some driven to ireland because the view is that this is not a business friendly environment so he should be prepared do all those things. now i don't think he should go mad. i don't think he should produce a liz truss type budget. i don't think he should go. absolutely mad, but i he absolutely mad, but i think he should by the should be guided by the principle that britain will only thrive if it's competitive and won't be competitive unless tax levels are lower than its rivals

now. and this program we've both spoken of the need for wage restraint in the public sector given inflation and the budget deficit however is calling for tax cuts not therefore contradictory. the country's is either broke or it isn't . well, either broke or it isn't. well, i didn't think that is wise to spend money on wage settlements which fuel inflation and that thatis which fuel inflation and that that is the crucial thing. fuel inflation. and if you have inflation. and if you have inflation pay rises then you create the well—known wage price spiral whereby people can't live faced with a sudden hike in the cost of living. so they won't. the price is raised and then people can't live, etc. so that the it is not a contradiction to say we can spend money tax cuts, but we really can't spend money on fuelling inflation. that is the point. i don't begrudge anybody a pay rise is when that pay anybody a pay rise is when that

pay rise fuels inflation that clobbers the entire country. although time . yeah and not to although time. yeah and not to you but but some would suggest that tax cuts are inflationary too because they stimulate the economy and therefore they heat in the economy and that could be inflationary . no, in the economy and that could be inflationary. no, i don't believe that that is the case because what tax cuts actually do is they provide to enterprise . they provide incentives for business and of course, i mean, people could just simply spend the money that tax cuts generate , but also it enables them to stay within the inflation that there is at moment. now, if you look at margaret thatcher, you know, she cut taxes and cut inflation at the same time . and inflation at the same time. and what about those junior doctors and what about those junior doctors, some of whom are, i believe, being paid less now than sandwich makers at pret a manger. these are the people who are charged with keeping us alive . indeed actually, doctors

alive. indeed actually, doctors pay alive. indeed actually, doctors pay is extremely reasonable . pay is extremely reasonable. junior doctors pay has always a source of argument. but you actually look at it, doctors junior doctors particularly now work less hours than they did . work less hours than they did. you know, only years ago. and therefore and gp are mainly part time these days and i do mean mainly part time most of them all full time rather full time. thatis all full time rather full time. that is a statistical fact. so i'm not going to be that sympathetic . putting all the sympathetic. putting all the people dangerjust as a result their pay rise. but i would say this i fully understand that pay has fallen behind . it prices and has fallen behind. it prices and i fully understand people do expect at some point to get back on at least an even keel but you can't do it while the country in the grip of inflation because if you do all you end up is pushing

inflation out. that is the whole point of large public pay rises. private sector can only give pay rises . the productivity is there rises. the productivity is there when the money's coming in, then they can. we don't . but the they can. we don't. but the pubuc they can. we don't. but the public sector is giving it from all money, from all taxes and it can't to do it at a level that pushes up inflation. i'm terribly sorry that that is just a rather grim fact of economic life. well that's the issue is that pay rises in the public sector is effectively an arms race with inflation and i ask you about this a proposed increase corporation tax from 19% to 25. do you think a u—turn is coming and if not, what could the political consequences be? especially on those tory backbenchers ? well, first of backbenchers? well, first of all, i hope a u—turn coming this all, i hope a u—turn coming this all is simply not implement eating a rise rather than cutting from the base that you

are not so it should be manageable . but crucially, if manageable. but crucially, if corporation tax goes up like that to the level that they've got in this country will not be competitive. we won't attract inward investment. we won't enterprise , we won't do any of enterprise, we won't do any of those things. if we put business taxes on. and i can't understand why i can government of all things doesn't understand that. so i think if the rise goes ahead or even if some of the rise goes ahead, which i suspect would be a sort of compromise , would be a sort of compromise, even if some of the rise goes , even if some of the rise goes, it will make britain less competitive and sound is what it is. surely the chancellor that we will only get growth , will we will only get growth, will only hit inflation when only stimulate the economy , will only stimulate the economy, will only be better off if we, the country are competitive and at the moment they're doing that level best to make sure that we're not

competitive and so we lose we lose big industry to other countries and. we missed you last week. great to have you back on the show and we to come that you'll to what the former conservative government minister ann widdecombe has had to say. she's hoping for a u—turn in relation to that corporation tax rise. what would you like to see from wednesday's budget market? gbnews.uk lots more to. come, let me tell you that we've my morning meets guest looking forward to the maverick former labour and jeremy corbyn who helped expose the rochdale grooming gangs so simon danczuk. he's live in the studio we've got the papers at 1030 with full panel reaction but next, a fascinating conversation . rishi fascinating conversation. rishi sunak's, local council have had to upgrade the electricity network just to accommodate his heated swimming . will his money heated swimming. will his money lose the next election? do you have problem with rich politicians? we'll discuss that

next well, a big reaction to my big opinion, which you can now find on twitter at gb news news. this from roberts . hello. good from roberts. hello. good evening, malcolm . to the budget. evening, malcolm. to the budget. i can't see the government splashing the cash soon. it's going to america tomorrow . who going to america tomorrow. who knows how much money he's going to spend there? he keeps giving money to others. what about the taxpayer and the british people ? gregory says , hi, mark, great ? gregory says, hi, mark, great show as ever. regarding the clarification that gary lineker did not use the word in his tweets, we can only assume he was referring to the weimar repubuc was referring to the weimar republic as that was the only preceding government in 1930s germany a fairer court. greg, thank you for that . everyone thank you for that. everyone gets a right of reply on this show . talk about the prime show. talk about the prime minister's wealth. kath says hi mark. i don't have a problem the pm being rich but do have a

problem with his links to the economic forum. no should be anywhere near the levers of power from that group and have any links with this sinister globalist organisation . and globalist organisation. and while i do think that's a conversation that we should be having , just these organisations having, just these organisations these groups, these global events in which all leaders meet up and discuss our future without us being democratically engaged. without us being democratically engaged . that's certainly an engaged. that's certainly an important topic, but talk about the pm's wealth . rishi sunak's the pm's wealth. rishi sunak's new private heated swimming pool uses so much energy . the local uses so much energy. the local electricity network had to be upgraded by the council to meet its power demands . it costs on its power demands. it costs on average between 20 and £40,000 a year to heat a swimming pool. and sunak has estimated net worth between and his mrs. of . worth between and his mrs. of. £730 million. i would say by the way, i think the bulk that is his wife. so he's a lucky man

but it begs the question, is wealth problem for politicians? doesit wealth problem for politicians? does it mean that by definition they are out of touch or should rich celebrated for rich leaders be celebrated for having made a success of their lives? it cuts both ways. doesn't in america super wealthy like donald trump have used their bank balance as a selling point here in britain, particularly in the midst of a cost of living crisis. could rishi sunak's millions lose him? millions of votes? neil i think he will, because i think the end of the day, not only he has wealthy wife, he's also actually been very good in business and. he's made money and he's a bright man. and that's what we actually need as prime minister we need actually somebody who can make the decisions. i actually think he has hit the ground running since being prime minister. will minister. so yes, people will will at wealth. and will knock at the wealth. and i understand and people are understand that. and people are struggling, lots struggling, but basically lots people out there are wealthy. so do politicians mean politicians have to represent everybody? so therefore why can't there be some wealthy politicians? there can be some poor politicians.

they have a whole mixture of politicians. i think that is politicians. and i think that is the issue. and i think that rishi will actually come through and think that, you know what the issue is to make sure that the issue is to make sure that the taxpayer is not paying for any of cabling, any of the electric, but provided is actually paying it himself then i think you know, he's fortunate to be able to do it, but there's many out there that can i suppose what people will ask is a man that's not wealthy. can he understand how the poorest in society are living ? but i think society are living? but i think he can. but i think it is an issue for him. so, yes people will take notice of that. but i think it is a great shame, a way that we've come to a sort of politics of envy if we're not careful what you've you've canvassed in a couple of elections, including 2010, when you entered parliament, you know, the mentality of the british public, of the voters. do you think they have a problem with a rich prime minister? is

it a turn off for voters ? well, it a turn off for voters? well, what the british public don't like is money being, you what the british public don't like is money being , you know, like is money being, you know, wealth being thrown around and flouted i think provided, you know, mean as a farmer, i always pretend i've got no money at all, which is increasingly true, increasingly true. but also, you know, people always say, you know, people always say, you know what, they don't like, i don't think is people bragging their wealth and throwing it around. i think sometimes, you know, perhaps in dare i say it in some parts of the city of london, it's slightly different but countryside, but in the countryside, definitely people don't like well, but but i think they accept that there are wealthy people there are those that people and there are those that are not as wealthy. and i what rishi sunak and the concern the party have to prove is not party will have to prove is not whether they are wealthy or , not whether they are wealthy or, not can look after those that can they look after those that are struggling. and i think as long can actually get to long as he can actually get to do that, i think it should do that, i don't think it should matter what his personal wealth . and i would personally say that i'm quite happy for the sultan of brunei be prime minister as long as he or she

can fix the country's . i don't can fix the country's. i don't think we're ever going to get a female of brunei to break female sultan of brunei to break that team. i was trying to be a bit pc and look of many, many reasons. i think is likely to lose the next election. i don't think his wealth is in my top ten although labour will leverage it won't they ? i leverage it won't they? i suspect they will, but they should learn better actually, because quite often labour's tried to do this and it's really rebounded in their faces. i remember a by—election in cairo when they were going after the. yeah simpson and it was it was crass and it didn't work and it completely rebounded and evidence of that really interesting and very humanitaire ian amp he's not of my political beliefs , but he gets the stuff beliefs, but he gets the stuff he does, he puts his money where his mouth is and that's actually what matters . i don't

his mouth is and that's actually what matters. i don't think she's wealth is the problem i do think he's a bit out of touch but that can be true of with considerably less when you become cosseted and bubbled into very very very small i don't think he understands the people he represents well and so that's why when he's talking to us, he can come across as either some sort of weird tech bro or a playschool presenter or a horrible mixture of , the two. horrible mixture of, the two. and it just feels very natural missing. now you can be very, very patronise him without being very, very rich when you're both that be a bit of an issue what do you think because the issue david is that if we judge the british people to have a problem with this and that's very patronising viewers and patronising to my viewers and listeners. idea that listeners. it's the idea that we've got a on your we've all got a chip on your shoulder about been shoulder about that's been successful i'm not sure successful in a i'm not sure that case rich prime that is the case had rich prime ministers had poor ministers we've had poor ministers at this point i do think that labour could be led by and a captain pugwash by a man and a captain pugwash uniform win the next

uniform are still win the next because the tories are so consistently in polls consistently behind in the polls 20% for months , months 20% behind for months, months and i'm not sure and months. now i'm not sure that is the that mr. sunak wealth is the reason he appears out of touch. that i'm afraid he's to his schooling. he went a school schooling. he went to a school where brought up, where you were brought up, brought to believe that brought along to believe that you're the cleverest man in every room and he is unfortunately suppress unfortunately unable to suppress it. and that belief he across as though of us are though the rest of us are encouraged, be sick, and he has to everything. the to explain everything. the simplest using simplest possible terms using the language. and it the most basic language. and it just people's backs go up and, the shackles rise . i think there the shackles rise. i think there is perhaps a slight animus against people who are very rich in the country, but always been the case which is a sort of tall poppy the case which is a sort of tall poppy syndrome. but then you look at some of our great prime ministers like stanley baldwin in 1920s and thirties, who in the 1920s and thirties, who famously proportion of famously gave a proportion of his own wealth the first his own wealth after the first world a proportion of his world war, a proportion of his personal wealth nation personal wealth to the nation help after the help with reparations after the war and wrote a letter to the times suggesting that others did the . you know, margaret the same. you know, margaret thatcher was well off thatcher was pretty well off because husband, denis, because of her husband, denis,

such business. blair did such as business. tony blair did perfectly . you know, think the perfectly. you know, i think the trend because of the social class from most class from which most politicians drawn have been politicians drawn or have been until , they'll be until recently, that they'll be ficher until recently, that they'll be richer person richer than the average person to of mr. sunak to have someone of mr. sunak incalculable by most end as well as is unusual. but i don't as is quite unusual. but i don't think he's unpopular. think why he's unpopular. i think why he's unpopular. i think that's because comes across preening and across as a preening and arrogant like arrogant man who doesn't like the he represents . so the people he represents. so you're to have to off you're going to have to get off that fence at some. i don't think that's the case at all. i he represents the people in his yorkshire constituency very well and i think actually very much like . i labour would like him. i think labour would be unwise to target his wealth because i mean there are some labour politicians that are quite wealthy , so you know, one quite wealthy, so you know, one has to be careful, including keir starmer i understand to keir starmer who i understand to be on paper a millionaire. well, i'd be surprising if he weren't going to be in house in. no, going to be in the house in. no, but almost certainly and he but he's almost certainly and he was a top lawyer. his barrister is now i mean, didn't have is now i mean, he didn't have the money for too many poor barristers. and i spent some time in the criminal bar. and

you will. there you go. overzealous because they're not paid that much. i that's that's a point. for a very fair point. looking for a pay a very fair point. looking for a pay like everyone. listen, pay rise like everyone. listen, i add, by way, that i should add, by the way, that although local authority had although the local authority had to relation to mr. to do this in relation to mr. sunak's property, mr. sunak is fronting the full cost. so go. he's paying his way folks. fronting the full cost. so go. he's paying his way folks . but he's paying his way folks. but let's not get out the small violins . lots more to come at violins. lots more to come at 10:00 in my take at ten people are now paying to have their children privately tutored. they're borrowing money for operations . the nhs waiting list operations. the nhs waiting list is so long in some communities are using private police forces . the public sector isn't working. we'll talk about that in my take at ten my more meets guest is maverick former labour mp and jeremy corbyn critic, a man who helped expose the rochdale grooming gangs. simon dann should live in the studio. what does he think about keir starmer and can he win the next election ? lots to get through election? lots to get through folks , but next up, we'll talk folks, but next up, we'll talk to another well—known voice from labour about whether keir starmer was right to support

gary lineker week. we'll discuss that.

next alan has said it's not it's not rishi sunak wealth . that's the rishi sunak wealth. that's the issue. it's envy love to know blair and brown's wealth made from politics at the expense of working men . let's return to working men. let's return to that conversation after 10:00. sir keir starmer, this week defended gary lineker's right to make comments about government's new asylum up. the labour leader claimed . the ministers were claimed. the ministers were looking for other people to blame. starmer said that although he wouldn't have chosen lineker's words referencing german in the 1930s, he lineker's right to say them and has argued that this is a crisis of the government's making. so is starmer to back gary

intervention on this issue ? to intervention on this issue? to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome a good friend of the show, labour council, a former head of brexit group labour leave , the ceo of the independ leave, the ceo of the independ business network, brendan chilton hi brendan. good evening, mark. good to see you . evening, mark. good to see you. good to have you on the show. it's been a divisive issue . was it's been a divisive issue. was keir starmer right to take sides 7 keir starmer right to take sides ? well, i've come at this from the starting point believe in total free speech and so the that someone should be dismissed for expressing a view whether you agree with it or not. i don't with. so i think keir starmer was right to defend gary lineker and again i think compare since with 1930s germany are far too common and they're never very . but don't think he never very. but don't think he should have been dismissed for just simply expressing the view and. what about the political aspect of this mean? keir

starmer's playing to the base. isn't he by supporting the spirits of what? of what? of gary lineker has said because , gary lineker has said because, you know, he's used these remarks by lineker to say that this is a crisis of the government is making so he has labour urged it to his own political ends . labour urged it to his own political ends. i think the majority of labour members mps and activists would have great sympathy with what gary lineker said. i also think actually keir starmer's right to out that this is a problem of the government making the government been in power now for 13 years. the migration crisis and we all know this bill been put to parliament. the idea is to deal with the problem in channel specifically . it's not going to specifically. it's not going to go away this bill is not going to stop people trying to make that crossing across the channel and we all know that even if the bill passes , the chances that bill passes, the chances that it's its intention is going

through to their ultimate conclusion, namely flying to a third party. the chances of that are about as equal as aliens landing from the moon , because landing from the moon, because you've got to get the consent of the third country and no one's going to agree that. it's committee. it's clearly complex, brendan and it's seems that sunak's approach is, is pronged. there's no one silver bullet. i mean you could argue all rubber bullets, but what would you say to many of my viewers and listeners to mark dolan tonight who are ex labour voters in the wall who want to stop the boats? and as far as they can see, that's what rishi sunak is trying to do. and as far as they can see, keir starmer is trying to block this policy by backing gary lineker. well, i think first thing to say is of course rishi has been prime minister for a few months. we've successive tory ministers have claimed they're going to stop the boats that have failed. i think the way we need to deal with this, i think both parties need to stop using this as a

political football and say where is this problem ? outsourcing? is this problem? outsourcing? and starting in norfolk . in and it's starting in norfolk. in the of africa, people are the whole of africa, people are fleeing region coming fleeing that region and coming to the uk, mostly men because the area is impoverished there's drought, etc. we also the europeans are not doing their job to stop them crossing the med. european nations are , not med. european nations are, not stopping them in their own countries. so frankly got it with they've got free movement got the schengen which is exactly is it which is of course why you found they believe because you are a brexiteer. i'm just very short moment to bring my panel in. david both neil pansh my panel in. david both neil parish and emma. brief my panel in. david both neil parish and emma . brief comments parish and emma. brief comments from each of you, starting with you. david oldroyd bolt well in this drama, in this great debate. keir starmer has picked a side and he's picked lineker. can one help but be cynical and detect a trace of hypocrisy in mr. starmer's comments? i think had mr. lineker come out and said send in the mediterranean fleet and put a gunboat there,

anybody tries to come across into middle in the channel into the middle in the channel should shot where they stand. should be shot where they stand. i think perhaps mr. starmer might have been little slower might have been a little slower to leap to his defence and perhaps also many of his bbc colleagues. simple fact is colleagues. the simple fact is that has nothing with that this has nothing to do with the substance of mr. lineker's remarks do . remarks and everything to do. the his employment the conditions of his employment as a contractor of the bbc, he shouldn't have said it. he shouldn't have said it. he should apologise and starmer's being hypocritical in saying anything admirable . anything otherwise admirable. you shaking your head. you you are shaking your head. you want got lots of want a labour? i've got lots of and listeners to this show who are previous labour voters who backed boris in 2019 because they wanted to get brexit. they want to stop the boats . they want to stop the boats. they think it's a national security and humanitarian disaster. and basically, keir starmer is calling them racists by backing gary lineker no , really, really gary lineker no, really, really isn't. and let's be very, very clear. your view is he feel that they are not racist. there is a perfectly reasonable position to be taken about wanting to stop

the boats, wanting to break the business model of the people traffickers, but also being favour of us being an open and welcoming country for refugees . welcoming country for refugees. those are not in combat. but what we have is a system that is not managing to deliver that . not managing to deliver that. what gary lineker said is that we have a system that is absolutely fundamentally failing to be compassionate and fair and workable . gary lineker is workable. gary lineker is supposed to be impartial in, his job, not on his twitter account . and also, i'm not being funny but i happen. look, i know nothing about football really. very, very . and i know that gary very, very. and i know that gary lineker is a massive supporter of leicester. i know that ian wright's a big arsenal fan. so they are talking on impartially about the things that they are there to professionally talk about all the time. and we've never had a problem with it. okay, come on. okay. all right fair enough. look, feelings are running high. fair enough. look, feelings are running high . brendan, great to running high. brendan, great to see you. come and see us. the studio be great to have

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armstrong. hi there i'm alan armstrong. hi there i'm alan armstrong in the gb newsroom talks between gary lineker and the bbc are moving the right direction following a second day of disrupted sport coverage. there are hopes of a resolution soon, but not all issues fully resolved at this stage is according to bbc news football coverage on tv . radio was hit coverage on tv. radio was hit across the weekend as pundits walked out in solidarity with lineker after he was taken off after criticising easing government asylum plans . government asylum plans. sunday's edition of match of the day will run for just 15 minutes without commentary or . analysis. without commentary or. analysis. former bbc executive roger bolton says the controversy is diverting attention away the real issue. it's this argument about what is impartiality and who must be impartial. that is a wider question. of course, the other things happening is the political parties , particularly political parties, particularly the government governing parties . see, this is a wonderful opportunity, the culture wars, to create and divert attention from the fundamental issue here, which is illegal immigration is

extraordinarily difficult to with . the prime minister is on with. the prime minister is on his way to california to confirm plans to supply australia with nuclear powered submarines amid concerns the growing threat from china. rishi sunak will meet his australia counterpart, anthony and the us president biden to flesh out a major deal. it's part of the 2021 orcas pact. mr. sunakis part of the 2021 orcas pact. mr. sunak is expected to unveil a new review of defence and foreign policy, which will set out the uk's approach to threats from moscow . a consortium of from moscow. a consortium of investors led by the start up of bank london has submitted a formal proposal for the uk arm of the collapsed silicon valley bank, with the bank's uk subsidiary will go into unsolved see this evening. the government says. see this evening. the government says . it will do everything it says. it will do everything it can to protect uk firms, but warns the companies could start to experience . on monday to experience. on monday morning, however, the chancellor jeremy hunt says treasury is working hard to make sure they

don't run out of cash. is the biggest failure of a us bank since 2008 and is now under us government control ? the health government control? the health secretary has criticised junior doctors for failing to call off this week's strike action. writing in the telegraph, steve barclay described the two hour walkout as incredibly disappointing. members of the british medical association in england will launch a three day strike on monday . the england will launch a three day strike on monday. the union england will launch a three day strike on monday . the union says strike on monday. the union says junior doctors england have suffered a 26% real terms cut their pay since 2009 and everything everywhere all at once is the favourite to win best picture at the oscars, which gets underway shortly in hollywood. the film though will face competition from the banshees of initial groan, which has earned an irish record , nine has earned an irish record, nine nominations and all quiet on the western front. bill nighy is up for best actor for his role in the movie living and. andrea riseborough has received a best nomination for her role in the film. to leslie. that's it for

moment here on gbh. now back to mark dolan . mark dolan. my thanks to. the brilliant aaron armstrong. one day he will tell me how he gets his hair like that. welcome to mark dolan tonight it 10:05 and we've got a lot to get through. my mop meets guest is the maverick former labour mp and jeremy corbyn critic , a man who helped expose critic, a man who helped expose the rochdale grooming gangs. simon dunne shook. the rochdale grooming gangs. simon dunne shook . we'll hear simon dunne shook. we'll hear from simon very shortly. plus, tomorrow's papers exactly 1030 sharp with full panel reaction. but first, my it. ten sharp with full panel reaction. but first, my it . ten the sharp with full panel reaction. but first, my it. ten the public sector isn't . following a report sector isn't. following a report by the excellent social mobility group the sutton trust it that private tutoring is now adding

to the class socioeconomic divide . here is the devastating divide. here is the devastating of educational author and consultant joe nutt , who said consultant joe nutt, who said this week people are flooding to pay this week people are flooding to pay for private tutoring and mental ring because between them the teaching unions and the state demonstrated just how dissent arrested in and in capable they are of educated eating children during the pandemic . more and more parents pandemic. more and more parents now know this but it's not just faced with a waiting list of 7 million people. thanks to the delightful policy of lockdowns. members of the public are now dipping into savings and, even borrowing money to operations. the nhs say are non—urgent. borrowing money to operations. the nhs say are non—urgent . all the nhs say are non—urgent. all will have to wait . well, if it's will have to wait. well, if it's affecting your work or quality of life, it sounds pretty urgent to me. so the public are resorting to the private sector and therefore effectively paying twice for the treatment that

they need. some neighbourhoods are now employing private police forces because . there just forces because. there just aren't enough bobbies on the beat to keep the area safe. the list goes on. expensively tasked with providing public service . with providing public service. the public sector is all too often not delivering bang for its massive buck , and i fear for its massive buck, and i fear for the relationship between citizen and states which has already had and states which has already had a kicking during the pandemic. thanks to government's illiberal covid. whether it's health service policing or , education, service policing or, education, i worry that these once great institutions will become like the bbc something we all have to pay the bbc something we all have to pay for, but which only a portion of the population use. the of the state is enormous . the of the state is enormous. inflated. of course. by covid. that set the tone. the template for a bloated government response suitable for every aspect of life costing you a small fortune with the second highest taxes since . the war.

highest taxes since. the war. all for service which gets more expensive but worse by the day . expensive but worse by the day. the cost goes up. the goes down. the cost goes up. the goes down. the public sector isn't working . i want my money back . now, . i want my money back. now, what do you think would argue that the public sector suffered decades of underinvestment . and decades of underinvestment. and the chickens came home to roost dunng the chickens came home to roost during the pandemic. many in education. and the nhs argue that poor pay means that recruitment and even hanging on to staff is all impossible. so is it to down lack of investment or is there structural issue at play? mark at gb news .uk reacting to that. i'm delighted to welcome historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolt , former oldroyd bolt, former conservative mp neil parish and conservative assume she's definitely not conservative. she's a gutless political consultant . she's a proper consultant. she's a proper lefty. it's emma now, neil pansh. lefty. it's emma now, neil parish . the states is too big

parish. the states is too big and.the parish. the states is too big and. the public sector isn't working . i think as far as the working. i think as far as the health service is concerned, we are spending nearly 50% on administration . that's what we administration. that's what we have really got wrong . have really got wrong. successive governments got that wrong and this conservative government's got it wrong. and so therefore is making sure that you do actually get the, the, the actual staff and the pay out to the shop end. and that's where we do really have a problem and people are actually voting with their feet. they actually going further private sector and why shouldn't they . sector and why shouldn't they. if the state can't provide. but of course what we mustn't do is abandon the state, abandon the systems and we've got , you know, systems and we've got, you know, very many good teachers. we've got many, many good doctors and, nurses. but the systems we've got in place are letting down actually, as well as letting the pubuc actually, as well as letting the public down. so i think that is the issue for me. and i think we can actually do a lot better but we are living is interesting, although have a conservative

government we are actually living in a socialist time. and what i mean by that is the state will provide whatever now the state provides and the trouble is the state could provide if it was from taxes, but it provides is mainly from borrowing or not mainly from borrowing, a lot from borrowing and i think that's a real issue for us and we've got to get to grips with what we're and also deliver a service. and i am worried private police forces in particular, you know, that's over egging the pudding. but i that can actually get really out of hand. but as far as people having their you know, i've got a for instance that needs doing i'll probably have to cough up for that because otherwise , you for that because otherwise, you know, i'll be sort of crawling around the ground before the health service will actually do it. so you know, those are the sort of things that people will take those decisions . are they take those decisions. are they wrong them ? i don't wrong to take them? i don't think they are. so we've think they are. so what we've got to, be careful as a society is that we don't then sort of

turn on people because they're going care, going for private health care, but really do have sort but we really do have to sort out the system and the out the state system and the government sorted it out government hasn't sorted it out and there's much more to be done. emma we love our doctors and nurses. they do a great a lot of goodwill a lot of hard work. and of course , very work. and of course, very skilled. but it's the infrastructure around our nurses , doctors, the infrastructure around our teachers, the infrastructure within policing . infrastructure within policing. i just worry that as more and more people resort to the private sector, it brings the pubuc private sector, it brings the public sector into disarray . public sector into disarray. huge. you know, it becomes like the beeb . you're paying for the beeb. you're paying for service. you don't actually use. well would dispute the pay being in disrepute although it's in a slight disarray at the moment certainly. well emma, just just on a point of order, a of people have to pay for the beeb who don't watch it or listen to it now. yes and no we all the knock on of good good entertainment programs is felt by people who aren't sitting down to watch

them . how does that happen? them. how does that happen? osmosis, yes in many ways, actually good , journalism actually good, journalism informs us all and informs political debate that we have , political debate that we have, whether we're watching it on the channel or whether we just feel the benefit of that debate being had.so the benefit of that debate being had. so don't have to have watched newsnight to see the impact it might have. watched newsnight to see the impact it might have . the bbc is impact it might have. the bbc is good for you, even if you don't watch it or listen to. yes pubuc watch it or listen to. yes public broadcaster public service broadcaster is great all of and really great for all of us and really vital and we know this because we've seen what happens in america only before we get to the to the events . neal, you the to the events. neal, you don't look happy. no because i think that the trouble is with the bbc is that the younger generation just aren't watching it. and so therefore sort of getting a sort smaller and smaller corps of people watching the bbc. and it's great to have but it's an institution but it's not an institution that's actually as broad as we think it is and that is the real problem, you know, i talk about, you know, i children and certainly grandchildren coming

on. they don't actually watch the bbc go onto their computer. they go on to their that's how they get their news as very rarely the bbc that they're watching and i think you know, the bbc does have to be careful to make sure that it's relevant as it goes forward. i'm not against the bbc. i think in many ways they a good job, but ways they do a good job, but they the generations . i they losing the generations. i don't know what they do about okay. am, you okay. and so really am, you know, wider point know, the wider point and i acknowledge you about acknowledge what you said about the ecosystem the media and the ecosystem of the media and the ecosystem of the media and the is contribution that i the bbc is contribution that i understand do have a legacy understand they do have a legacy of broadcasting i of great broadcasting i mentioned big opinion mentioned that in my big opinion but just think that it could go that way when it comes to the nhs that yes, we love the nurses and doctors, but if not many people borrowing money on a credit to get a new knee, people will get disaffected with the nhs and they will hold it in, in a dim light . nhs and they will hold it in, in a dim light. i don't think that we're in danger that at the moment we talked earlier about whether rishi sunak's wealth is

going to be what loses in the next election. a 7 million waiting list for the nhs is going to be what least is seen at the next election. if he can't get a grip on that, then they are in really, really trouble. i think the public have maintained their love of teachers and nurses , doctors and teachers and nurses, doctors and pubuc teachers and nurses, doctors and public sector workers . we are public sector workers. we are a country that believes in state provision of a lot of things . we provision of a lot of things. we argue around the margins of that myself and neil and david will have very different opinions about where the margins of that are. but we in agree are. but we in general agree with state provision of things when that provision is being so badly run. that's when politicians lose their grip and that i think is where the biggest danger for the conservatives okay we'll look at the issue is, david, that lots of people paying twice now for pubuc of people paying twice now for public services once through the state, through taxes and again through the sector. this doesn't end . well, no. and some point end. well, no. and some point we've got to get over on national delusion that the

antiquated and unfit for purpose national health service in any way going to sustain an ever growing nation with ever more complicated health problems . complicated health problems. look, we have to make a decision . we a country which will have health provision or are we country that exists to fund the national service? i would prefer that we have the form and that we look to other countries around the for world functional models of where public and private health systems cooperate to provide the very best care for its citizens at the very lowest price and the results in the greatest health. we're not doing that at the moment. the greatest health. we're not doing that at the moment . we doing that at the moment. we either end up in this tedious, dichotomous debate about, well, it's this america or it's either this or america or we refuse to talk about at we just refuse to talk about at all. and the latter is particularly problem. we're afraid to neil of elected afraid to say to neil of elected politicians who run from politicians who run scared from it a very large it because it's a very large question with unpleasant david david ask you whether labour david can ask you whether labour did a betterjob under new labourin did a betterjob under new labour in tony blair because that, would argue, was the that, many would argue, was the golden era of public sector golden era of the public sector on precedented investment in the

nhs and in education education. education whether you call it investment, i call it split merging. and we didn't get better results in education over the course of the new labour government, the schools down. we are a badly educated country. we are a badly educated country. we are bad a country in poor health. the state provision that have clearly does not work and either we act like a sensible and have a debate about how far the limits of public provision can go with the amount that we're willing to be taxed or we do what we've done for the past. i don't know, 70 years and stick our heads in the sand and hope that someone else comes along and it better magically. and makes it better magically. it's my is deserve it's not. my view is deserve better. forgive me better. so forgive me to interrupt live in the interrupt you live in the studio. mark means is studio. next to my mark means is maverick labour mp and maverick former labour mp and jeremy critic , a man who jeremy corbyn critic, a man who helped expose the rochdale grooming gangs. what a guy what a character. live in the a character. he's live in the studio dan shook his .

next let' s next let's have a look at some of those emails was keir starmer right support gary lineker this week in those migrant comments. margaret says he was not right. lineker is too for his boots and has had his day sack, you might say, says margaret . rosie say, says margaret. rosie duffield, the labour mp, was harassed by her own mps for stating that only women can have a cervix. and keir starmer said she wrong in that assumption. so he stands by lineker on free speech, won't stand by his own mp. thank you, george and on the economy, what do you from the chancellor next week ? well, how chancellor next week? well, how about this? a simple from glenn which i think speaks for many. make sure you are always better off by working. it's not so the moment. glenn, thank you for that. it's time now for this . that. it's time now for this. yes time for mark mates, in

which i speak to. the biggest names in the world of politics, sports, showbiz and beyond. tonight, former labour mp and bestselling author simon dunkirk. simon grew up lancashire, where he began his working at the age of 16 in a factory making gas, fire before going back to education as a mature student there followed a glittering career in research pubuc glittering career in research public affairs and communications before he entered the house of commons in 2010. famously, he won the seat of rochdale despite a microphone picking up the then prime minister gordon brown calling rochdale resident gillian duffy a bigoted woman. you remember that when he still won his seat. simon was very success in that constituency, taking majority of just under 900 in 2010 to 12 and a half thousand . five years a half thousand. five years later, the financial described simon jeremy corbyn's most outspoken internal critic, and simon gained admiration for his work and his book expose child sexual abuse committed by former

rochdale mp cyril smith. he also helped expose the rochdale grooming gangs who had been operating years in the area following a bit of a barney with labour. following a bit of a barney with labour . he following a bit of a barney with labour. he resigned from the party in 2017, after which he began a new career as a political commentator and author . his latest book is called scandal at dofe in square. it is non—fiction but reads like a political thriller. it's winning rave reviews and it's out now. simon dunne, welcome. mark dolan tonight thank you. it's nice to be. why politics? you're far too talented for that. well, i enjoy having an impact in helping people and i've been a local councillor. i was a councillor in blackburn for a number of years. i got a taste for helping people and. the natural progression was to go into parliament in 2010 and interesting time to enter the house of commons in rochdale . house of commons in rochdale. what was your early experience of life in parliament? oh, it's

an unusual place. i didn't take to it to. well, actually. so for a working class guy like myself to enter that place, it is an unusual place . so it took some. unusual place. so it took some. does anyone show you ropes? well, they do an induction programme, but it's inadequate, i would say, but nevertheless it's a fascinating place and you can have a real impact for the first or maybe 28, 48 hours. you know, you've this seat, which is a triumph for you personally, but you're thinking is there going to be a labour government that gordon brown was holed up number 10 in a stakeouts trying to broker some of deal a minority agreement . it to broker some of deal a minority agreement. it didn't happen so that must have been a strange way for you to start your your parliamentary career not knowing whether it's going to labour or a coalition to be a labour or a coalition government. yeah, that's right. and remember jack straw and i rememberjack straw ringing he was ringing ringing me up. he was ringing round labour mps they round labour mps to see they wanted into a coalition, wanted to go into a coalition, the democrats and i'd the liberal democrats and i'd just fighting the liberal just been fighting the liberal democrats and nail in democrats tooth and nail in rochdale managed beat them. rochdale and managed beat them. so i wasn't enthusiastic . a so i wasn't enthusiastic. a coalition the liberal at

coalition with the liberal at all and i think it was right decision not to go with that indeed you fell out with the man that will leader later jeremy . that will leader later jeremy. what's your appraisal the damage he did to the labour cause . oh, he did to the labour cause. oh, massive. i mean, it's incredible. the amount of damage did to the labour cause i've always i was always a traditional labour mp. traditional values . traditional traditional values. traditional labour values like a so—called like a red wall sort of labour mp . yeah exactly. that would be mp. yeah exactly. that would be my take on it. and what we've got now with kiya is and it's been replicated years gone by really. but keir who is a nice person, a good person. but he's what i would describe as soft left . and so he's soft on left. and so he's soft on illegal immigration , soft on illegal immigration, soft on dodgy benefit claimants , is soft dodgy benefit claimants, is soft on law order. and what he really will promote and this is mark turn and it follows on from this sort of north london view of the world where corbyn is, where you live, perhaps a bit woke well

and they perpetuate keir will perpetuate that of agenda and we've we've now got the left wing establishment infiltrating pubuc wing establishment infiltrating public institutions , public public institutions, public services and pushing this particular woke agenda . and that particular woke agenda. and that gives me real concern because . i gives me real concern because. i have a worry that if keir wins the next general action, then he will perpetuate that view. it will perpetuate that view. it will be a flag bearer for the for the soft left for the left wing establishment that currently exists. yes this is, you know, obviously, he is god is his is gifts he's ahead in the polls . and he certainly got the polls. and he certainly got on top the antisemitism scandal . the labour party is evictee jeremy corbyn, which i'm sure you'll support. jeremy corbyn, which i'm sure you'll support . but he also you'll support. but he also cannot define on camera what a woman . he cannot define on camera what a woman. he said that cannot define on camera what a woman . he said that saying that woman. he said that saying that only women have a cervix is something you shouldn't say. i thought it was quite weak in his defence of support of rosie duffield, who who has simply

been vilified by in the labour movement for pointing out there is a difference between the two biological sexes . yeah. and this biological sexes. yeah. and this is concern . he has a work is my concern. he has a work agenda and that will be perpetuated should he win the general election. so people need to be really careful about what decisions come the decisions they make come the next general election. who would you who would your you who would you tell your constituents to vote for? i haven't decided i will vote in the next election , but i think i the next election, but i think i will be struggling to vote for keir for and first. could you could you go and i'm not going to compare you directly, don't worry. but could you go on a sort of on a parallel journey to someone like lee anderson who was supporter for was a labour supporter for decades is now who is decades and who is now who is now midlands? as now in the midlands? as a conservative mp, i have a of conservative mp, i have a lot of admiration for lee anderson and. i did a tweet just a few weeks ago. people were being critical i did a tweet just a few weeks ag himeople were being critical i did a tweet just a few weeks ag him being vere being critical i did a tweet just a few weeks ag him being vice being critical i did a tweet just a few weeks ag him being vice chairmanical i did a tweet just a few weeks ag him being vice chairman ofl of him being vice chairman of the conservative but the conservative party. but i put a tweet saying whilst put out a tweet saying whilst i haven't decided i'm going to vote becoming the vice vote him becoming the vice chairman of the conservative party, it makes me more likely to vote them, not less likely to

vote for them. we need working people have a real representation in parliament and we just don't get that from from the labour party at the moment . the labour party at the moment. know you're really busy writing your which your next book, which is fiction, which looking fiction, which i'm looking forward to. would you consider , forward to. would you consider, would you countenance a return to ta ta politics and possibly a run it to run getting into parliament again i haven't really considered it it's not something that's on my immediate agenda for sure. right. so do you feel like you've achieved those ambitions and you're ready for new challenges? yeah yes. never say never, though. well, you say never, do you? because you say never, do you? because you know how life turns you don't know how life turns out. yeah i do. i just wonder whether the party manages that the conservative conservative association will be, you know , a association will be, you know, a central we're watching central office. we're watching this . right. this now going. right. we better reach dan chock . well, i reach out to dan chock. well, i love feather cap . love you feather in all cap. yeah, let you know if yeah, well, i'll let you know if they but haven't had they do, but i haven't had a phone call. could they. could they caught your they potentially caught your interest . oh well sympathise interest. oh well i sympathise with lot of what the

with a lot of what the conservative party stands for now. i think they need to toughen up a little bit as well there are some people in the conservative party who are having the small having doubts about the small boats. i just don't get that. there to more forthright there need to be more forthright in of pushing in terms of pushing a conservative agenda . what is conservative agenda. what is your appraisal of the deal with emmanuel macron? it's going to cost us a half a billion over the next couple of years and. of course, legislation which will mean anybody that enters the country is not granted asylum . country is not granted asylum. yeah. what's your take that? i support the legislation . think support the legislation. think it's a comprehensive . i think it's a comprehensive. i think suella braverman should credited with what she's doing in terms of the legislation there has to be a solution labour don't offering any solutions and i'm in no doubt that if we have labour government at the next general election then they will be soft on illegal immigration and that's just not acceptable we have to have a solution. the idea of sending people to rwanda country i know very well is an excellent policy and if this

legislation enables the government to be able to do that , then i think it should be welcome. do think that's a leader with values will be coming any time soon? you know, i can see a scenario actually where rishi sunak is a little bit like john major where he wins the next general election by a whisker . a whisker, by a whisker. a whisker, absolutely. but there are various factors at play in that? i think he could win it retain power for the conservatives and then it would be for labour to change from a neil kinnock type figure in in keir starmer to somebody who's new labour. okay and you're writing a book so yes it's fiction . you give me a it's fiction. you give me a flavour of the subject matter. it's all about politics and power and sex in the north of england, it's purely fictitious. yeah, well, it's true. it'll be right, because i had a little go .been right, because i had a little go . been so busy having a chance to read all of your latest book because we had you on a few weeks ago when you were plugging it, you've had a colourful private life and you've been a

pubuc private life and you've been a public figure, a politician , a public figure, a politician, a famous girlfriend that became a wife. your ex but wife. she's your ex now, but you're splashed all over you're both splashed all over the that for the papers. was that hard for you? personal level, it was you? on a personal level, it was at times, yeah. and suffer at times, yeah. and i suffer from some depression from it. but eventually recovered but then eventually recovered and you know of a healthy, healthy now. but yeah, it can be difficult to deal with. well let me tell you you are the picture health and i know you've got four lovely kids to show for as well. so i wish you well and the family come back. see you soon. thank you. go, simon. they're very the current very critical of the current labour incumbent. watch this space. lots more to come. the papers .

next simon daniel, what a fascinating interview. an ex labour mp not happy with keir starmer says that essentially the current administration are irredeemably woke . he said that if there is a

woke. he said that if there is a labour government they will not stop the boats . he dropped a few stop the boats. he dropped a few truth bombs . tory party central truth bombs. tory party central office are you watching market gbnews.uk is the email keep your feedback coming it's for this . feedback coming it's for this. yes indeed. tomorrow's front pages. it is the papers with panel reaction. we start with the telegraph. they lead with you guessed it it's gary lineker . lineker is set to return as bbc boss. he's back down. the corporation is expected to announce . it's reviewing its announce. it's reviewing its guidelines on the of social media in the wake of the controversy in return it's believed that lineker will to be more careful about how and he tweets may also some form of tweets he may also some form of apology . tweets he may also some form of apology. sunak tweets he may also some form of apology . sunak gives tweets he may also some form of apology. sunak gives military a £5 billion boost to face down russia . the prime minister will russia. the prime minister will tomorrow to boost military funding to two and a half% of gdp in the long term as well. significant less than the 3% that was offered and promised by

liz . okay. next up, let's go to liz. okay. next up, let's go to the metro now. so headlines to look at folks that let me you where we are swimming in news tonight lineker muscled for now outspoken match of the day host refuses talk cut down football show gets more viewers but there you the mood music is that it looks like looks like lineker will be back on match of the day on saturday the guardian bbc bossis on saturday the guardian bbc boss is in race to end stand off and avoid staff rebellion. silicon valley bank push to save uk start—ups. the government was trying to secure an emergency support package tonight to protect britain's tech and life sciences sectors from major losses after the collapse of the silicon valley bank in the united states. as financial markets braced for volatility following , the biggest bank following, the biggest bank failure since 2008 pm upgrades power grid to two heats up is his private pool . another story

his private pool. another story chloe she to get next daily now will bbc do linick a deal today to send tv excuse me to will the bbc do a political deal today to end tv stand ? that's the end tv stand? that's the question . is it fun at? the question. is it fun at? the oscars, lily of course it is. say the daily mail at the independent now has pledges help for uk tech firms at risk after collapse of top bank bbc urgent with lineker to prevent another of chaos and revealed . the £1 of chaos and revealed. the £1 billion apprenticeship rip off more than £1,000,000,000 worth of taxpayers money has been used to fund thousands of courses for top executives that are equivalent to a masters degree, but based as a rebadged, as. the can reveal, more than 55,000 executive from hundreds of companies have received 100% funding to take postgraduate apprenticeship standard courses. llega basically what they're is

fat cat bosses are getting a free education, but calling it an apprenticeship . last but not an apprenticeship. last but not least for now, the daily star school halls hit white easter snow day. all weather is not snow. thanks. a new polar blast is threatening to bring a white freeze to god. let's do some heavy lifting to get that time to ask the easter bunny for a chalk ice. there you go. it's going to be a freezing easter, folks. we'll need more easter eggs to make us happy. okay. those your front pages. let's get reaction now from my fantastic i'm delighted to have with me the wonderful emma burnell political consultant neil parish, former tory mp and david oldroyd bolt historian , david oldroyd bolt historian, political commentator . let's political commentator. let's have a look at this . slightly have a look at this. slightly worried about it. neil parish . worried about it. neil parish. this bank that's collapsed in the united states, it to be very tied in with the tech industry, the tech in this country all

we're looking at credit crunch 2.0. yeah, we've got to be careful because one of the things i've being a farmer you said always said we've never we don't lend we lend money on collateral and a lot of these companies don't get the money they need. and therefore, you know, high tech companies need a particular type of bank . we've particular type of bank. we've got to actually get more out to those developing businesses that will really help growth in the economy. so it's not just this bank. we've got to look at many others actually the get others and actually get the get banks lending. so that, you know, there is a certain their risk adverse banks by their very nature and i understand and this is the problem and so therefore, you know, these companies people will not be paid naturally . you know, these companies people will not be paid naturally. this particular bank is not helped. but it is wider than this. and we've got to hope that this and don't forget , interest rates don't forget, interest rates start to rise . they've already start to rise. they've already risen. you when we had interest, i can remember interest rates of 1012 15% and everybody sort of throws their hands up in horror. but what you to remember

but what you got to remember then the amount of capital we were borrowing was much less. and so therefore now there's a ratcheting think, ratcheting process. and i think, you is a wakeup to you know, this is a wakeup to make sure the banks, one, are solid. but two can actually lend and actually we get the economy going . so it'll be interesting going. so it'll be interesting to see what the chancellor says about this in budget, because this is one of my old chestnuts. this is i really do feel that banks don't do their in this country. indeed. are you about this banking collapse it could it be a repeat of the credit crunch time? i'm worried it will. it will set once the desperate precedent that if a bank collapses, the state should bail it out, which is already what's happening in the states, afraid. the whole point of the system we have the way it functions is there is functions best is when there is risk the reward that you risk for the reward that you would and you start would gain and if you start saying every bank that saying that every bank that fails will be bailed out by the state because, other companies are be hurt a are going to be hurt as a consequence, you away the consequence, you take away the whole of system whole moral hazard of the system of capitalism against of capitalism deeply against this idea. all it tells me that people play fast and loose in

the us treasury has a very the us treasury has got a very poor this sense 28 i'm poor record. this sense 28 i'm afraid own treasury an afraid our own treasury has an equally the people equally poor record. the people lend in this instance know precisely the risks were that lending has gone wrong. they should be prepared to take that hit and unfortunately if there's a knock on effect within the sector, well then you should teach of the sector to teach the rest of the sector to be a little more cautious. i agree with neil that there needs to specialist sorts of to be specialist sorts of investment should come investment here that should come from equity. from things like private equity. it banks that it shouldn't be from banks that are the taxpayer. i are backed. the taxpayer. i am. here's story will warm here's the story that will warm the cockpit of many people's hearts. are barred hearts. police are to be barred from recording crime hate from recording non crime hate incidents just because someone's offended under plans offended this under plans announced by suella braverman, the home secretary has endorsed new guidance that requires officers to prioritise freedom officers to prioritise freedom of expression over offensive controversial order or treat language. your reaction ? yeah, i language. your reaction? yeah, i mean, i'm very , very, very mean, i'm very, very, very rarely say , but i think suella rarely say, but i think suella braverman is probably right because you're an as well you a

playwright and you appreciate freedom of expression and i told you a filthy joke in the break so it was seen and i'll never repeat it. well, only on my last day here a vega and i i've really, really come to the opinion criminalising is doesn't change minds and actually we need to do to combat racism, sexism, homophobia is change minds and hearts largely we have there's been polling recently says we one of the most liberal countries in the world. you know we really we've seen progress in the course of our own lifetime. you're younger than me, but we're vintage. and it's we're similar vintage. and it's true seventies, eighties. true. seventies, eighties. i mean, what it meant be in mean, what it meant be gay in the eighties is worlds apart from without without from no absolute without without legislation and that's not to say that there is no homophobia. it is significantly lessened and without without coppers turning at your front door. i just don't see how that changes . ultimate see how that changes. ultimate problem, which is the homophobe

phobia a it it doesn't change hearts and minds and it does fact hardened attitudes . yeah. fact hardened attitudes. yeah. and i think all too often we've resorted to legal polities rather than doing the hard work of , rather than doing the hard work of, campaigning and changing minds. yeah. what do you think about this? a victory for freedom of. oh, absolutely. and without question , glad without question, very glad to see a conservative up see a conservative standing up for the for something that the conservatives supposed conservatives are supposed to believe an believe in. this is an unmitigated this something we unmitigated this is something we should all celebrate. let's see if it's actually as great in in the actuality as it is in talk. is this neil and you've you've left the commons now but is this a tory party got it's got its mojo we've got a deal with macron to stop the boats it may or may not work plus legislation the nerves of the financial markets have been settled and i'm sure they'll welcome what what jeremy hunt has to say next week if businesses there's sort of clear anti woke agenda in stories like this freedom of speech one so do they have

momentum ? i think beginning to momentum? i think beginning to and i think what i want to see their next is going to be a huge fight for the tory party. but i actually to see them get pull their selves together to make a fight it because then you see the then comes back on keir starmer to actually show what he's made and where his policy is. if you think it it's been a seismic three weeks because we also had the framework that's right and you sent me into less a calendar month you know and in everybody thought that would be sort of blown to pieces in the it out it wasn't and of it came out but it wasn't and of course the democratic unionist were wrong footed by it were sort of wrong footed by it because they've got to because they they they've got to have platform on. and have a platform to stand on. and that about the only platform that was about the only platform they and of a sudden they had. and all of a sudden they had. and all of a sudden the almost sawn off. they're the was almost sawn off. they're not going to say very much until probably after the may election. yes. that's the key yes. but you see, that's the key to if you the dup and, to it, if you see the dup and, the erg will hold their and support the windsor framework. i think they are will because you got of several members who have said something and others are

quiet . the said something and others are quiet. the dup the trouble said something and others are quiet . the dup the trouble the quiet. the dup the trouble the dup have got and i can be quite blunt about this they've got the wrong side of the argument in, northern ireland and so therefore they need something politically to hold on to during election vote for us. and you know, we have lost support to the because you see that. well, it you see i mean, rightly or wrongly they they were the wrong side of the argument northern ireland over over over brexit and they were fighting for the integrity of the united . i know integrity of the united. i know but see that's what fight but you see that's what fight for and they fight for that alone you've got many alone and you've got many unionists now in northern ireland that don't just vote for the union flag they want other policies as well and that's where the democratic unionist got themselves out of step because they were actually sort of shall i dare i say it a little bit more mainstream name instead of just concentrating on wave ing the union flag, i you'll find because you see a lot of businesses northern ireland actually welcome this

deal because they've got you know the goods will go northern ireland from britain which are going to be sold in northern ireland, any checks. and then they other is sort of like milk for instance is very often processed all around ireland that can around through the that can move around through the through the single market into , through the single market into, the european union. i actually think northern ireland are economically they will do very well in the future and it will be great if it does because, you know, it is lagging behind the rest the uk for many many years hope they government backing hope they get government backing stallman possible. emma, stallman soon as possible. emma, what do? tories what do you think do? the tories have momentum momentum . i think have momentum momentum. i think they're mad scramble back woods has been stalled a little . i has been stalled a little. i think that's as far as i'd go. they're stalled if they stop the bleeding, they may have just staunched the bleeding, but they're probably missing several limbs . and i just better scratch limbs. and i just better scratch , as i just said, as you . well, , as i just said, as you. well, great metaphors. what will be the challenge is will they hold their nerve after the local

elections. if they hold their nerve and which will be which will be a bloodletting, which i suspect now if they turn on themselves , they're toast. right themselves, they're toast. right if they hold their nerve and come together, they can make a fight of it. i think it's going to be a hell of a fight and i think labour has got the chance of winning. but but if they actually pull themselves together. you see, it being politics is a seesaw at the politics is like a seesaw at the moment, you know, they're right on keir starmer has on the and all keir starmer has got to do is sit on the top and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do it all differently, but what he all differently, but what is he going actually do at end going to actually do at the end of day? know, on the on of the day? you know, on the on the migrant crisis, all of the migrant crisis, on all of these things, on economy, all of these things, on economy, all of these no real these things, there's no real policy. there's real meat. policy. there's no real meat. you the green. yes. well, you know, the green. yes. well, we can all we've built more turbines can put some turbines and we can put some more solar. you know, more solar. but, you know, seriously, the seriously, what is the alternative? think when alternative? and i think when you start to analyse you actually start to analyse what policies our what are the policies of our labour government, then think the polls will start to the opinion polls will start to tighten and think. but if they if the tories tear themselves to

shreds and keep on shooting each other down, which are very good at then , i think we will be at then, i think we will be toast. well, there you go. never underestimate the ability of the tory start a fight with tory party to start a fight with itself in a locked room. and this why keir starmer doesn't this is why keir starmer doesn't to policies why he to elucidate policies is why he doesn't be explicit doesn't have to be explicit because every i because is every likelihood i think inevitable think that after inevitable bloodbath elections bloodbath of the may elections bofis bloodbath of the may elections boris johnson and his allies will to stage a comeback will attempt to stage a comeback soon either be put to soon that will either be put to the test or be booted out. the test or will be booted out. the tories will look more the tories will look even more ridiculous the public eye than they would they do already. that would be fatal, it the way to fatal, and it paves the way to keir starmer's winning the next race bottom. there you race to the bottom. there you go. more to come, including go. lots more to come, including times also has times newspaper next. also has britain a rude country britain become a rude country and nightmare of trying and the nightmare of trying to pay and the nightmare of trying to pay parking your phone? pay parking with your phone? have it it doesn't work. have you it it doesn't work. we'll discuss that next .

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tonight. and we've got more front pages. let's have a look at the tomorrow's times newspaper. and they lead with particular headline, bbc bosses seek truce to get lineker back on side . also, m15 will help on side. also, m15 will help firms fend off chinese russian spies and. treasury scrambles to protect tech firms after bank collapse . look, we're going to collapse. look, we're going to keep it a lineker free zone for the rest of the show. karate of that man. but let's get reaction to other stories of the day from historian and political commentator david oldroyd bolt, former tory mp neil parish and journalist and political consultant and of very rude jokes . he consultant and of very rude jokes. he hasn't told us or nothing. does this irritate you as much as it irritates pay as you go? parking machines are being removed from city streets in the uk. brits now have to juggle in the uk. brits now have to juggle 30 different parking on their phone . simply to pay for

their phone. simply to pay for parking. is progress or the highway to hell. nice work . highway to hell. nice work. whoever wrote that pay rise . whoever wrote that pay rise. david, have you for parking with your phone before? yes and i must say, i haven't found it terribly difficult to science. i don't think it is the degree you just put in the number you get. what i really dislike about it is that it's yet another step down. the towards the fact down. the road towards the fact that have to do everything that we have to do everything for ourselves the time in for ourselves all the time in the better service. and the name of better service. and i just think please have some i just think we please have some aspect customer that aspect of customer service that in fact serves us that is not us serving companies that we go serving the companies that we go to goods and services. to for the goods and services. i mean, it's not that difficulty download app and of with download an app and most of with one after like a groovy one after another like a groovy i'm i'm a total i'm really not i'm a total luddhei i'm really not i'm a total luddite i despise technology's interference in every of interference in every aspect of our life but this one isn't too bad. what i do dislike about it is it is the imposition it has on those who perhaps don't have smartphones those who perhaps don't them. there don't want to have them. there should an analogue should remain an analogue choice. not just even i've choice. but not just even i've got a smartphone internet. yes yes. and you go to

yes. and when you go to a different bar or county, you find the ringo app doesn't work and you to get paid by phone. no, no, it's different one. yeah, that's right. and then you've know, of you've got, you know, parts of the where you've got the rural areas where you've got cut. well i mean the cut. yeah. well i mean the whole, whole thing's crazy. we are doing away with cash are also doing away with cash all the and so therefore, all the time. and so therefore, you mean i'm all right. you know, mean i'm all right. yes, i don't like yes, i'm older and i don't like these you you these things. and, you know, you land up sort of either paying the wrong or , not paying the wrong amount or, not paying anything at all, and the is it will the older generation. will hit the older generation. and if we're not careful, we'll all fined because all start getting fined because we for parking we haven't paid for our parking and i think it will become a real issue. and i think you know, we technology is a marvellous provided everybody signed up to it but a lot of aren't and i think they've got to be. well i like the simplicity of pound coin. yes. in the machine piece . i mean i in the machine piece. i mean i never carry cash anymore so i'm quite happy with it. but king charles very me and king charles are completely like the exact same person . and i, i do find

same person. and i, i do find the fact that it's a different app the fact that it's a different app at every carpark annoying but i also do want to just say something about older people both my parents are in their seventies. they've both had smartphones for at least a decade.i smartphones for at least a decade. i think we tend to sell older people won't be using these people who are still driving are extremely likely to a mobile phone a smartphone . i a mobile phone a smartphone. i think we can be overly patronised into the elderly at times on the on some of this stuff . agree with that. yeah. stuff. agree with that. yeah. but it's not just about the elderly. it's about those who for whatever, choose not to use this technology. exactly because they rather mean , i they would rather i mean, i think another role think you have another role there . think they are just there. i think they are just silly really. bins for car where it's pay by phone where there is and also it's a shame that if it always is with different rules time you've got to pay when you leave front. right leave to pay up front. right i expect you know masked bandits just to take what i mean. i mean, went to the royal devon and exeter hospital to see a friend and, you know, on way friend and, you know, on the way out there, actually got out there, you've actually got to way out. then you

to pay the way out. and then you put in your number. it works out, you know, in in know it's registered your your number another time you go to register as you go in they are not all the same and i'm not patronising older people there is just some older people there is just some older people there is just some older people can't do it and won't be able to do it and like i said won't necessarily have the coverage. and i think, you know, we just got to be careful. we're making everything. so you perform, you know, know none perform, you know, we know none nobody more nobody can be different any more . to do it this . everybody's got to do it this way . i think wrong. yes way. i think that's wrong. yes it's technocrats, isn't it really ? you know, we are slaves really? you know, we are slaves to the march of the cashless society, digital device. yeah, that's the problem all in the name of convenience. now, a worker was rolling his eyes, huffing as a woman and her child a cafe whilst he was a work call. she the temerity to take her child a cafe? why we become so rude and impatient in recent years have we become a less tolerant country? what do you

think about that, emma? we got ruder. no, i don't think so. i mean, that guy's rude, but i'm when i'm in a cafe and, there's a kid there. i'm up. peekaboo you know, i take them off. i mean, i sketch children anyway, but only when his . yeah, that's but only when his. yeah, that's right. no mean i think we we're not a ruder country . i right. no mean i think we we're not a ruder country. i think there's a lot of dismissal of modern britain is really unfair and unfortunate . you know we are and unfortunate. you know we are the we make ourselves made ourselves horribly rude don't think when you take public transport it is to me in the ten years i've been in london an absolute that it is not true to that people much more discourteous at the instance of anti—social behaviour or more noticeable no longer contained the night hours at daily, just the night hours at daily, just the absolute discourtesy with which people treat staff in shops seems to be much more apparent than it used be. i think there this really hard edge to people now that didn't used to be there quite so much. i think this was exacerbated the

effect of lockdowns and of people being withdrawn from or rather being made to withdraw from society and coming back into it, not feeling quite so comfortable, it's just seems comfortable, but it's just seems to me a much less friendly and a much less open. i think it's a light and lovely. i think i think it's mixed think when it comes to children i think actually we're much more tolerant of children work. i mean, i travel a lot the continent and you know, the hauans continent and you know, the italians and others love children and they they can do what like. i the brits are what they like. i the brits are better on that. but think there is especially in actually sometimes when you're travelling there is there is a problem but you know, i think people i think just i think what lockdown did is it shut everybody and they weren't able to communicate . weren't able to communicate. yeah and i think you know we got to get back to actually living with each but i don't with each other. but i don't think we a particularly rude think we are a particularly rude country. but i there were there were one or two individual perhaps could dare i say it need to be little bit later on this to be a little bit later on this have a more polite panel tonight

they were too polite to use and then a few accompany all weekend headliners is next and i'm back on friday to see that

welcome back. i'm howard armstrong in the gb news from talks between gary lineker and the bbc are moving in the right following a second day of disrupted coverage. the broadcaster there are hopes of a resolution soon but not all issues are fully resolved at this stage . football coverage on this stage. football coverage on tv and radio has hit across the weekend as pundits walked in solidarity with lineker . he was solidarity with lineker. he was taken off the air for criticising government's asylum plans . sunday's edition of match plans. sunday's edition of match of the day ran for just 15 minutes without commentary or analysis. former bbc executive roger bolton says the controversy diverting attention away from real issue. it's this argument about what is impartiality and who must be