on both days radically altered on both days of the weekend. and it's understood match of the day two will be reduced to just 14 minutes tonight with no presenter , pundits or presenter, pundits or commentary. former bbc executive roger bolton says the controversy is diverting attention from the real issue. it's this argument about what is impartiality and who must be impartiality and who must be impartial . impartiality and who must be impartial. that impartiality and who must be impartial . that is a wider impartial. that is a wider question of course. the other thing that's happening is the political parties, particularly the government, government parties, see as a wonderful parties, see this as a wonderful opportunity in the culture wars to create trouble and divert attention from the fundamental issue here, which is illegal immigration , which is immigration, which is extraordinarily difficult to deal with the prime minister is flying to california to discuss the august defence deal between the august defence deal between the uk, us and australia. rishi sunak will meet his american and australian counterparts. joe biden and anthony albanese , biden and anthony albanese, dunng biden and anthony albanese, during which a deal to supply british nuclear powered submarines to australia will be confirmed. the aim of the august

pact, which was signed two years ago, is to boost the country's defences and counter china's threat in the indo—pacific region . the government says it region. the government says it will do everything it can to protect uk tech companies caught up in the collapse of silicon valley bank, the companies could start to experience difficulties on monday morning, but the chancellor, jeremy hunt says the treasury is working to minimise damage to what he's described as some of our most promising companies in the uk. last some of our most promising companies in the uk . last friday companies in the uk. last friday as the bea's american parent company became the biggest failure of the us bank since the financial crash in 2008. it is now under us government control . the health secretary has criticised junior doctors for not calling off their strike on monday . writing in the monday. writing in the telegraph, steve barclay has described the 72 hour walkout as incredibly disappointing. the british medical association has described mr. barclay's recent offer to negotiate as , in their

offer to negotiate as, in their words, a feeble attempt to stall us. it's expected to affect many services, including a&e and cancer and maternity as well , services, including a&e and cancer and maternity as well, on everything everywhere all at once is the favourite to win best picture at the oscars, which gets under way later in hollywood. although it will face stiff competition from the banshees of inishowen, which has an irish record, nine nominations and all quiet on the western front. bill nighy is up for best actor for his role in the film loving and andrea riseborough received a best actress nomination for her role in two. leslie all gets under way around midnight . we'll keep way around midnight. we'll keep an eye on that for you. tv, onune an eye on that for you. tv, online and dab+ radio. this is gb news is. and it's time now for free speech nation . for free speech nation. the gary lineker ferrari rumbles on.the the gary lineker ferrari rumbles on. the snp is poised to select

a new leader and time's up for statues of old white men in wales. this is free speech nafion wales. this is free speech nation . welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. welcome to free speech nation. with me, andrew doyle. so on tonight's show i'm going to be speaking to judi bindal from the lesbian project, a group created champion uk group created to champion uk women are same sex attracted women who are same sex attracted . and we'll be getting into a story that of course has dominated headlines dominated the headlines this week. bbc's decision week. that's the bbc's decision to lineker to step to ask a gary lineker to step back match day. and back from match of the day. and i'm to be discussing with i'm going to be discussing with elena survivor. i'll i'm going to be discussing with elena survivor . i'll check elena as a survivor. i'll check the suspected poisonings of iranian schoolgirls across the country. very disturbing story . country. very disturbing story. but on a lighter note, my lovely studio tonight studio guests tonight are comedians kearse and bruce comedians leo kearse and bruce devlin . talking about the you devlin. talking about the you have a good week. yeah, it's nice. yeah thanks. is that all you've got to say.7 yeah you should have had a prepared anecdote. well, i brought some brie and a bottle loads . it was brie and a bottle loads. it was

on yellow sticker offer and waited a month because it took a month to eat it all. that's the best. you've got a lot. a break i feel a bit. oh yeah. great. i'm sure you can top that very carefully. did you buy the pre marks suspense across the road.7 oh going to let the show oh i'm not going to let the show become brie. sorry. become about brie. i'm sorry. i'm going to have that. i'm not going to have that. we've more important things we've got more important things to on. this is your to get on. bruce, this is your first time on the show. thank you me. i'm quite you for having me. i'm quite i'm quite delighted we're quite delighted because we're going about going to be talking about scotland bit. me scottish scotland in a bit. me scottish panellists hope be locking horns this anyway, this year. one, two. anyway, we're to start with some we're going to start with some questions audience. questions from the audience. our first julie. first question is from julie. where hi, julie. oh where is julie? hi, julie. oh yeah. what's your question? should free speech absolutists defending gary lineker? yeah. and been on twitter and he's been raging on twitter for stupid enough who are for those stupid enough who are on twitter. tried to stay off on twitter. i tried to stay off at moment, but as we know at the moment, but as we know this the bbc to gary this week the bbc asked to gary lineker match the day lineker match of the day presenter back because presenter to step back because he tweet which was he wrote a tweet which was intended the intended to criticise the government's boats government's new small boats bill. he did was he, he bill. but what he did was he, he likened language used the likened the language used in the asylum to that used in

asylum policy to that used in 19305 asylum policy to that used in 1930s german and this is what they call a technical breach of impartiality rules. and i've seen lots of people saying, well, where are the free speech absolutist? why aren't you saying lineker needs saying that gary lineker needs to be defended? it's a reasonable there. yeah, reasonable point there. yeah, well, i've seen some free speech absolutist defending by defend myself. i prefer it when people are express their are free to express their opinion. can see how opinion. so i can see how ridiculous stupid their ridiculous and stupid their opinions gary opinions are. i mean, gary lineker comparing tories to lineker comparing the tories to 19305 lineker comparing the tories to 1930s germany, that's those ridiculous and is hugely offensive to. the air are into being evil and probably wouldn't like being compared to a multi—racial government . there's multi—racial government. there's really quite a centrist and left leaning. it's very strange thing. suella braverman who obviously is you know is the daughter of immigrants and she wrote this statement saying that she tackle the problem she wanted to tackle the problem of illegal immigration and yet retain the capacity to take in people who are fleeing from war and kind thing. this and that kind thing. this doesn't very third doesn't sound very third reich to honest. was she to me, if i'm honest. was she the woman that sacked and the woman that got sacked and then reinstated ? that is then reinstated? that is correct, yes . for a security

correct, yes. for a security breach? that's correct . lisa breach? that's correct. lisa bruce here to bring up the bruce is here to bring up the old dirt. whoa feet. same. i think it's so relevant, though . think it's so relevant, though. i mean, does she know for our job? is this week coming ? i job? is this week coming? i think she's possible three. we don't know . we don't know don't know. we don't know whether she's bought brie. we know she's left us intelligence . the thing is about this, though, should lineker able though, should gary lineker able to mean, here's my to say it? i mean, here's my issue on this. when you sign a contract the you do contract with the bbc, you do have to sign a thing saying, i am not going to make any political statements about the government. and that's part of the contract. he's getting the contract. and he's getting over salary. yeah, over £1,000,000 salary. yeah, well, 3 million. is it free well, 3 million. is it a free speech? that's as much as speech? that's almost as much as he from qatar for income . he got from qatar for income. oh, so he's happy to. he's happy to take money from nefarious regimes when it suits him . and regimes when it suits him. and also, he was being chased by hmrc for nearly £5 million of unpaid tax and his political was used as an excuse by his lawyer to say, look , freelance because to say, look, freelance because he's breaching the bbc's tariff. yes, but he has been rapped on

the knuckles about this before. so it has clarified that he is not meant to do that. according to the contract, the impartiality contract? and did he the i'll i wouldn't he pay the tax? i'll i wouldn't have to ask him, but i mean, i think there is something very interesting because interesting about this because a lot people have said to me, lot of people have said to me, you why you you know, why aren't you defending gary because defending gary lineker? because i free speech i consider myself a free speech absolutist. i think there absolutist. but i think there is absolutist. but i think there is a big difference between someone being tweet, which a big difference between someone bthink tweet, which a big difference between someone bthink shouldn't tweet, which a big difference between someone bthink shouldn't happen, which a big difference between someone bthink shouldn't happen, and:h i think shouldn't happen, and someone signing a contract and agreeing not tweet about agreeing not to tweet about certain doing so anyway, certain things doing so anyway, and for breach and then being sacked for breach of contract. i don't think that's issue. well that's a free speech issue. well i very i think it's very, very different. has been sacked? different. has he been sacked? well, asked he wasn't well, he was asked to. he wasn't on last match of the day and on the last match of the day and he'll be back next week when he starts from from one starts to stand from from one episode. far as understand episode. as far as i understand it. i the bbc shouldn't it. but i mean the bbc shouldn't exist as a state broadcaster as well. i mean, do we need people like eastenders? why do we can move the bbc to subscription service instead of having this enforced tax, which is incredibly regressive ? so you've incredibly regressive? so you've got like, you know, old wembley

ladies on pensions, you have to pay ladies on pensions, you have to pay the same amount as a millionaire. oh i hear your sister. my mother is an advocate of that. she's a foul mood of that. she's in a foul mood and will not pay in one lump and she will not pay in one lump sum. wants make them wait sum. she wants to make them wait so in instalments. so it doesn't in instalments. well enough. i mean well that's fair enough. i mean i subscription service i think the subscription service quite you if the bbc quite a good idea you if the bbc is as good as it claims. yeah i should probably it shouldn't have problem with anyway. have a problem with it anyway. make going to make more money. we're going to move to. the next move on now to. the next question, this one's from john. where is john? john, are where is john? hi, john, how are you? evening. you? good evening. good evening. my you? good evening. good evening. my is about the bbc do my question is about the bbc do you approve of the bbc's self—censoring? oh, yes. this you approve of the bbc's self—ceinteresting1, yes. this you approve of the bbc's self—ceinteresting story. this you approve of the bbc's self—ceinteresting story thiss was an interesting story this week. this report , week. there was this report, there's this big story saying that bbc weren't going to that the bbc weren't going to broadcast final new broadcast the final of the new david attenborough series . now david attenborough series. now the and i read this article the ask and i read this article it explicitly there were fears of wing backlash from press of a wing backlash from press and politicians because of and tory politicians because of this particular episode . focus this particular episode. focus on the destruction of nature and rewilding projects, which is where you truck a few buffalo into like milton keynes or something. yeah so what i think this is a bit of a nonsense,

don't you. i mean, this is like is there any still playing the episode on the iplayer. yeah, it's just one of those things where they're holding on back. so you get a bit a bonus, so you get a bit of a bonus, right? and it sort feels like right? and it sort of feels like gary thing. it sort of gary lineker thing. it sort of feels they've concocted feels like they've concocted this was they this like nobody was really they could gary lineker host could have let gary lineker host match day could have match of the day they could have this of the tv. i think this episode of the tv. i think brochure or whatever it's called go i don't think is actually called attenborough called that. david attenborough if feel quite unimaginative it was have done it. was but they could have done it. but oh no, but instead they'll say, oh no, we do it because right we can't do it because right people are stopping so people are stopping us. so they're foment which they're really to foment which right are upset right wing people are upset about. attenborough none right wing people are upset abthem. attenborough none right wing people are upset abthem. nonettenborough none right wing people are upset abthem. none my|borough none right wing people are upset abthem. none my|bor0lwingone of them. none my right wing friends have that to me. friends have said that to me. i i'm a fan of dickie. yeah, i'm a huge fan of dickie. yeah, i'm a huge fan of dickie. yeah, i think fabulous good for i think fabulous and good for him. but did they not him. yeah, so. but did they not keep an episode of line of duty? they this. you see the abc they do this. you see the abc making something. isn't this bread? phrase. it's bread? that's the phrase. it's the going to did the ones just going back to did you business buffalo in you say business buffalo in milton a milton keynes? is there a difference? well, i think that a concrete are concrete concrete cows there are concrete cows. yes, yes. but don't cows. yes, yes, yes. but don't think that classifies as

rewilding. i that the rewilding. i think that the thing have to have a pulse. thing is have to have a pulse. i think although they didn't bison in i believe. they. in kent i believe. did they. very to do. very very bold thing to do. a very bold apparently the bold thing. but apparently the bison have been sort of charging the through forests, opening the way through forests, opening up other up all these avenues for other animals. it's a wonderful thing. up all these avenues for other anithe s. it's a wonderful thing. up all these avenues for other anithe green a wonderful thing. up all these avenues for other anithe green forest, erful thing. up all these avenues for other anithe green forest, basically,g. so the green forest, basically, it's when it happens it's a to find when it happens in amazon, it's good in the amazon, but it's good when and can i know when it happens and can i know i'd like to see bison round my way. oh, they the madonna of cattle they're trailblazers for other it's a lovely other species. oh, it's a lovely way of putting it. let's move on to we've got to another question. we've got one roger. where rocky? one from roger. where is rocky? hi is it one horse hi roger. hello. is it one horse race the snp leadership? oh, race for the snp leadership? oh, so ugly. so i've so this could get ugly. so i've got obviously scottish got two too. obviously scottish people have scottish in people have scottish people in the scottish in the the audience. scottish in the audience. said on arrival, audience. as i said on arrival, what you it's quite what could you do? it's quite vicious. each vicious. you can smell each other. you she spotted this. where do you from? and i thought, oh, no , yeah. relax thought, oh, no, yeah. relax relax . and it could get quite relax. and it could get quite ugly because you know obviously the politics scotland i've i've been there i've just avoided the

subject because people get very upset either way they stand. but this is now the snp leadership obviously since nicola sturgeon's down now the sturgeon's too down now the deputy minister john deputy first minister john swinney humza yousaf and swinney backing humza yousaf and i thought swinney was going for himself, wasn't it, because i mean to be leader, he mean he used to be leader, he used the leader. but used to be the leader. but i think the it used to be think the key is it used to be used to be i don't think the vote to bring him back from the days where the us regan who's the kind of she's third in the kind of she's third wheel in this. how the fifth this. yes you know how the fifth in character in the city in character in sex and the city was manhattan is no one's ever had to really but talking of coming back from the she's ready the dead people are going to be voting. did you not see that? no, i supposed to do this is the health scotland that health crisis in scotland that bad beastly zombies going to be voting? i think it was something the lines of something to do with the documents that had been i imagine it's forgery from idea that the corpses would actually turn up at the ballot, i hope. no, i'm drawing of people, no, i'm drawing a lot of people, including nice. including my mother. nice. i mean, be tell in mean, it could be to tell in certain parts glasgow. certain parts of glasgow. exactly yeah. what do you.

exactly yeah. so what do you. i mean, who do want to be? the mean, who do you want to be? the leader the snp. i want humza leader of the snp. i want humza yousaf to be the next leader of the. because he'd be terrible. he's he's the cons in unity he's the he's the cons in unity candidate. and swinney candidate. the and swinney wants it and he would it one to take over and he would continue being absolutely dreadful great dreadful and would you be great for can make fun of for me because i can make fun of it. you run against him? i did, yeah.i it. you run against him? i did, yeah. i didn't win, thankfully, but drafted this but yeah, he he drafted this authoritarian crime bill. authoritarian hate crime bill. he's incredibly he's got incredibly authoritarian . he's always authoritarian. he's always making know, beating the making you know, beating the race drum . and you accused his race drum. and you accused his this nursery of racist against against him because he's, you know, because of his or whatever. right. and then it turned out that the nursery was actually run by an asian person you know they probably well that was probably internalised racism something i mean humza yousaf it does terrify me a little bit because he's you know hate crime bill was one of the most draconian pieces of legislation i've ever seen. i mean, he was talking about how he need clamp down the performance down on the public performance of because might get of a play because might get together and put on a bit of

amateur dramatics to sort of radicalise people. what was the play? see it. play? well, i want to see it. i mean, just see, i don't have. time for hitler. could have been out. what you make of out. so what do you make of that? i mean, he's he does pretty militant to pretty extreme, you know, in some ways but many ways think they all but in many ways think they all seem ignore liberal seem pretty to ignore as liberal as what i find as nicola is was what i find i do feel sorry. i don't know if you've watching it. i you've been watching it. but i do feel for kate because do feel sorry for kate because she's been hauled over the coals because of her religious beliefs, i don't think are beliefs, which i don't think are necessarily like necessarily thought that like no one say how they're going one has, say how they're going to i'm do to fill a pothole. i'm i do anything the economy and all that kind of thing we'll tackle the drugs problem, the drugs problem that stuff as problem and all that stuff as well. don't understand well. but i don't understand them why they haven't hold him over coals he's a over the coals because he's a fairly conservative too religious believe him and he voted against gay marriage he voted against gay marriage he vote against as far as i'm he didn't vote in the bill i'm word on the street and again i don't know if this is true. it was it was pressure his mosque. whether thatis was pressure his mosque. whether that is true or not that was

said by an snp mp. that is true or not that was said by an snp mp . so angus neil said by an snp mp. so angus neil alex neil sorry said you know said so it's not it's not just a rumour it isn't openly stated by an mp but isn't concern with kate forbes that she would allow her religious convictions to get away way when it comes to away get in way when it comes to policy formation that kind of thing. now she's claiming she absolutely wouldn't thing. now she's claiming she absolutelywouldn't that. thing. now she's claiming she absolishe'snouldn't that. thing. now she's claiming she absolishe'snochristian. that. thing. now she's claiming she absolishe'snochristian. you're well, she's a christian. you're allowed that allowed to say stuff like that about whereas humza, about christians, whereas humza, i a muslim. so you i believe, is a muslim. so you can't see like you're your can't see you'd like you're your religion. when religion. get in the way when you get to be being you get just to be being islamophobic, which is you islamophobic, which is bad. you can be as mean as you like a bit christians. but isn't it the case really it shouldn't case that really it shouldn't matter? private matter? people's private beliefs are politics as they are in politics so long as they don't it to inform. don't allow it to inform. no i completely. but i don't understand why a lot of gay people, funnily enough, know in scotland. idea why scotland. i have no idea why they there are one box they did to. there are one box and i was cut off and they saying things like, oh, if kate was in power seven or eight years ago, we wouldn't been able to get money. wasn't to get money. she wasn't empowered eight years ago. so empowered or eight years ago. so you weren't to get money. you still weren't to get money. so like you know, she hasn't

said that she's going regress said that she's going to regress any she sees as equal any of what she sees as equal rights. human rights? yeah. just i took a lesson i don't they took a lesson saying tim farron saying it's a bit the tim farron debate we had that he was debate we had that when he was leader the lib dems and he leader of the lib dems and he said that he agree gay said that he didn't agree gay marriage kind of thing marriage and that kind of thing because christian because of his christian beliefs. he i would beliefs. but he said i would never impose that onto the party. don't think you can. party. i don't think you can. and fully trust somebody and can you fully trust somebody is who's got like is somebody who's got like really beliefs. really fervently held beliefs. like a haircut from like if you got a haircut from a, you might be thinking, well, this know he's just going to cut my hair. not. but then you my hair. he's not. but then you get there's a swastika get home, there's a swastika carved of your head. carved in the back of your head. you know, things you know, these things can happen happened to you. happen as that happened to you. it a personal. it sounds like a personal. i think that my excuse. yeah think that is my excuse. yeah wouldn't you aware would. wouldn't you be aware you would. you a terrible you know, it is a terrible analogy. think it's terrible especially at the end of especially because at the end of the elements, i feel like that you believe you you still believe and you probably yes, it looks probably said yes, it looks fine, but swastika is fine, but the swastika is the wrong because in wrong way around because it's in a and ifs wrong way around because it's in a and it's the a mirror and means it's the hindu symbol of love. yeah then it's okay to use excuses. and let's a question now. this let's get a question now. this is question from this is our final question from this section. is from rick.

section. this is from rick. where rick? rick. hello. where is rick? hi, rick. hello. there white men there are old white men offensive. terrible. there's offensive. yes terrible. there's been an audit into welsh monuments. this is well, you know, obviously, all of this is in the wake of the black lives matter movement. we've had it in london with the mayor of london, that kind of thing. and they decided statues of decided that statues of historical white men, such historical old white men, such as nelson, be as lord nelson, should be removed from view. and removed from public view. and the government say they the welsh government say they want right historical want to set right the historical narrative, set narrative, an actual quote set right. like right. that sounds like historical revisionism me. historical revisionism to me. also had one arm. also lord nelson had one arm. i you know, he's a bit ablest . you know, he's a bit ablest. yeah, it is undeniable . yeah. he yeah, it is undeniable. yeah. he was falling apart. he should be a statue. yeah. i need to get disability benefits as well. some of this revisionism is so is so offensive to judge from hundreds of years ago by the standards of today. and like tito the statue because they didn't have pronouns in their twitter bio they didn't have twitter bio they didn't have twitter because it was the 1800s there is what are they going to do with some of these people?

there's saying they haven't done any of them particularly wrong by modern standards , but they by modern standards, but they will could people will make they could make people from , other cultures feel m.i.a from, other cultures feel m.i.a because there's too many old white men, even though, you know, if you go back hundred several years, that pretty much was white men running this course. this course. isn't this a bit patronising people of other patronising to people of other ethnic suppose they ethnic groups, too? suppose they don't the don't understand that the history that the history of wales that the predominantly main figures predominantly the main figures were i mean were were white men. i mean i just don't understand why you and i get people feeling comfortable and the things moving on and stuff, but i don't understand by everything has to be expunged to the history vaults. gain vaults. yeah and started to gain surely not you know pay surely can we not you know pay credence to not credence but credence to the not credence but pay credence to the not credence but pay to unlearned from pay attention to unlearned from it that we make the same it so that we not make the same mistakes again so wipe his. mistakes again so wipe out his. but that seems a bit odd. he's old as well the welsh old as well for the welsh government they're always government and they're always this always playing catch up like else already like everyone else has already been of thing been doing this sort of thing and sort of coming as and they're sort of coming as well and say they're going to do it. they've specifically said they some the they might even destroy some the monuments, a bit monuments, which seemed a bit extreme me the quite extreme extreme to me the quite extreme there yeah yeah.

there aren't they. yeah yeah. it's taliban and the it's like the taliban and the taliban blew up my arguments and blew up, blow statues. yeah. taliban blew up my arguments and bmean), blow statues. yeah. taliban blew up my arguments and bmean i blow statues. yeah. taliban blew up my arguments and bmean i don't statues. yeah. taliban blew up my arguments and bmean i don't think|tues. yeah. taliban blew up my arguments and bmean i don't think the ;. yeah. taliban blew up my arguments and bmean i don't think the welsh. i mean i don't think the welsh government is quite as as government is quite as bad as the the point the taliban, but i the point that is a precedent that there is a precedent they live valleys. a lot live in valleys. there's a lot of similarity. nobody can understand they're seeing. that was showing on tv was a very good showing on tv either they it. they said, either they dress it. they said, oh they thought that was oh no, they thought that was wants show the valleys on wants the show the valleys on this look at catherine zeta this you look at catherine zeta do you see her in rocks? i don't think. a statue of think. well put a statue of catherine zeta—jones instead think. well put a statue of ca lord 1e zeta—jones instead think. well put a statue of ca lord nelson.-jones instead think. well put a statue of ca lord nelson. isnes instead think. well put a statue of ca lord nelson. is she instead think. well put a statue of ca lord nelson. is she a instead think. well put a statue of ca lord nelson. is she a whitead of lord nelson. is she a white man? no, no. she can say she can have it. and shirley bassey, why not? why not? tom jones. not? why not? not tom jones. he's cancelled, hasn't he? he's been cancelled, hasn't he? anyway, free anyway, after the break on free speech nation, i'm going be speech nation, i'm going to be speaking to feminist speaking to the feminist campaigner and julie tindall about launch the lesbian about the launch the lesbian project. in a few .

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nafion welcome back to free speech nation this week saw the launch of a not for profit organisation which is said to be dedicated to the understanding and enhancement of lesbian lives in the uk . the lesbian project is the uk. the lesbian project is the uk. the lesbian project is the brainchild tennis great martina navratilova . former martina navratilova. former university lecturer kathleen stock and feminist campaigner and writer julie pinto. and i am and writerjulie pinto. and i am delighted to say julie's here with me now. welcome to so the lesbian project. what's the of this why did it start what were you thinking? well, i was thinking a couple of years ago. why is that the word lesbian , why is that the word lesbian, gay, those terms lesbian and gay have become all one word. and then, of course , we'd been then, of course, we'd been subsumed within what has been known as more like a unbreakable code than a useful acronym of lgbtq. q i plus no to spirit to as well as to spirit. yes, exactly and nobody knows what the extra q is. nobody cares, quite frankly . i thought to quite frankly. i thought to myself, well, you know, when came out as a lesbian in the 19705, it was a it was a dirty

word. it was a word i had to get used to saying. i would call myself gay or say i was bisexual or because lesbian was really terrible. there were no good role at all for lesbians. role models at all for lesbians. there were some gay men that weren't exactly positive, but there were not grotesque . yes. there were not grotesque. yes. so we were portrayed as sexual butchers . hell, so you could butchers. hell, so you could donate to a sperm bank? i mean, grim stuff and. and now where are we? where is this more pressure from young women? or rather on young women to identify as queer, which is their choice . but women have their choice. but women have told me that they like the word lesbian, but they've been told in their university, lgbtq+ groups , usually headed by some groups, usually headed by some man that that the word lesbian is sola season. it's really interesting that that's become either a dirty word again fashionable in some way because that long acronym, whatever we want to call it, lgbt q plus or

whatever some of the coming out of, for instance, america is suggesting that a significant proportion, to 40% of young proportion, up to 40% of young people are identifying into that category. them category. yes, most of them statistically be straight. statistically must be straight. that's right. so problem that's right. and so the problem that have as a lesbian isn't that i have as a lesbian isn't that i have as a lesbian isn't that other people want to identify as asexual , identify as queer, as asexual, to say pansexual, as romantic as all of this, of the ridiculous, quite frankly, the groups that suggest that they have some kind of oppression. i mean, for example , ruth hunt from example, ruth hunt from stonewall took time some some years ago when she was still director to say that there were groups that weren't being passive served within the rainbow coalition and pointed out , romantics. well out asexuals, romantics. well who loses their flat? who loses their family for not actually wanting to fall in love, for example? but but what what was happening with young women being told that lesbian was a dirty word, was it? they were, of course. therefore for identifying out of that category. and when we have research such as that, that you

cited where 40% of all people in a particular age group say that they're part of this big rainbow coalition. obviously that doesn't mean that they're either lesbian or gay. it means that they can be straight people identifying as so what we want to know and why i went to kathleen stark and then martina navratilova with the idea, which they were thrilled about, is where are the lesbians ? what is where are the lesbians? what is the research about lesbian life of which there's very little and hasn't been since the 19705 or eighties. what happens example when we mario divorce happens to our children when we lesbians what about interviews and relationships what about violence from external forces in other words anti lesbian violence? you'll note that the phobia is used to cover us as well. yes. and actually that means anti—gay violence . where's means anti—gay violence. where's the research on? our employment opportunities on discriminate action, on our health and we're women. so we can't possibly usefully be lumped in with gay

men when it comes to those issues. so why are you saying that the proliferation, these various identity groups has actually muddied waters and actually muddied the waters and made lesbians to, made it harder for lesbians to, you know, work together and be activists? yes. so i absolutely fully support the right of anyone to have an identity, whatever they choose . i don't, whatever they choose. i don't, as a lesbian, want to lumped in with my new attracted persons , with my new attracted persons, which is the latest addition to this rainbow coalition, which means abuses. yes. i don't want to be lumped in with kingston's. in other words , that like in other words, that like strangling women during sex that isn't an oppression, that is not a sexual identity , that has any a sexual identity, that has any meaning. so as a lesbian. what i want to know is how do we navigate our way through lives in a happy in a way that's positive for us? and how do we come out? what happens to us when we come out? what about our health issues that's distinct from some gay men and other groups without saying that we don't want those other groups to have their research and have

their own identity . and that's their own identity. and that's very interesting because obviously the history of lesbianism involves , a specific lesbianism involves, a specific history of a certain type of oppression, and it seems to trivialise it if you bring it i mean, stonewall did a thing about awareness week and then about a awareness week and then about a awareness week and then a is someone just a romantic is someone who just doesn't like flowers on valentine's day walks by valentine's day or walks by a romantic . well, okay, but that's romantic. well, okay, but that's not an oppressed group it's ever been , you know, kicked through been, you know, kicked through the streets for being a romantic. and, you know romantic. exactly. and, you know , a i see very , as a lesbian, i see very clearly i support my gay brothers and i want to march alongside my brothers when there's legislation or issues that faces both both groups together. and i always do that. and i have many gay male friends, of course and it's through to talking that through to talking gay men that we understand that we have very different needs in, lifestyle choices and our health issues are different. and of course, we all coerced into heterosexual marriage way more than our gay men think about lesbians living within communities such as religious communities, working

class communities such as the one that i was from minority ethnic communities where it's much harder to say, i'm a lesbian and i don't wish to marry a man and i don't wish to have children with men. now, of course, for gay men, that can be difficult. but there are very few i know that have been few gay i know of that have been forced into or coerced into marriage . yes, it's much easier marriage. yes, it's much easier for to come out than it is for men to come out than it is for men to come out than it is for lesbians. that's not to for lesbians. and that's not to say want to be say we don't want it to be easier for gay men. gay have easier for gay men. gay men have an oppression. called an oppression. it's called homophobe for lesbians homophobe view. but for lesbians we are punishment raped . we are we are punishment raped. we are told that we are only lesbians because we are to obliterate. i mean, i can't tell you the number of times been told i'm only a lesbian because man will have me. so i was thinking i might as well form a rock band called too ugly to rape. i mean, it's absolute misogyny and that's what lesbians have to put up with on a daily. but they're also now having to put up with this new wave of oppress coming from that from gender because we've had nancy kelly say that women who don't want to sleep

with individuals who have penises akin to sexual penises are akin to sexual racist. well had lucy masood on the programme before who is former firefighter who was part of the grenfell inquiry. she's black lesbian who's now a lawyer and she was on a dating site and saw that there were many men who were identifying trans women who they were lesbians and went complained and said in fact she didn't even complain in the first instance. what she said was she was interested in, you know, you can take i mean, too i'm old to have been on online dating but anyway she was on they never told you that's true. anyway she was on this and she was asked what her preferences were. and of course it's love going to the cinema, like going for walks the countryside. for walks in the countryside. and said, i actually like and she said, i actually like female only. yes, same attracts same sex attracted. yeah and she was kicked off the dating site for that and so the lesbians were very very clear that

lesbians are female and that we have very nicely of course rejected sexual relationships and romantic with men and that we should be able to have our own identity. that is a proud identity where we don't have to apologise to people for it and we don't have to pretend that we're just making do with women because we couldn't find the right man . all of those old right man. all of those old tropes are coming back to haunt us and that's why we us now, and that's why we research advocacy . and we need research advocacy. and we need some proper about how many there are how many have children , are how many have children, what's happening when we divorce . is there any violence within our own relationships? what issues do we have to face in the workplace and example? people watching will be astonished . watching will be astonished. they almost won't believe the idea a lesbian being kicked idea of a lesbian being kicked off a lesbian dating site for being a lesbian sounds so ridiculous, there this ridiculous, but there is this new of people who new kind of shame. people who are attracted exclusively to members own i members of their own sex. i spoke kavanagh the gay spoke to kavanagh of the gay men's who that men's network who said that there similar there have been similar

experiences men. this is experiences with men. this is a new thing that going to have to deal with, but will get flak deal with, but you will get flak from people saying you're being bigoted, something like this. so we flak back the we used to have flak back the seventies and eighties from very vicious anti lesbian bigots , vicious anti lesbian bigots, would say, you know, you should be locked up. you can't be near our children. there's something wrong with you it and i wrong with you, you it and i came through all that as a feminist, as a lesbian. i got through that with my sisters. i got through that with some help from those gay men that and we went all of those pain went through all of those pain barriers and here we are today being told that it's bigoted to speak out on behalf of a particular group, which is lesbians. and i refuse to accept because we're not taking anything away from anyone else. what we're saying is our needs have been ignored for a long time, that we proper research on our lives, on our opportunities , is on the challenges that we face. and we are not saying to other people they don't have a right to do exactly this, but we

are the forgotten letter in the long list of lg, blah blah blah . well, we don't have any time. it could you just quickly let us know where we can find out more information about the lesbian project? have a website on project? yes have a website on it. project underscore lesbian and. you'll find us on twitter and. you'll find us on twitter and you'll find if you search google for the websites i'm sure and of you can have a look and see if kathleen's talking i tweeted anything from the website account i'm sure you can find so fantastic. julie bendell, thanks very much for joining me . we have to break on joining me. we have to break on free speech nation. we'll be discussing the rule of the week that's gary lineker's enforced step back from match of the day after tweeting his thoughts on the moment .

welcome back to free speech nation. so later in show, i'm going to be turning agony. uncle with the help of my beautiful panel with the help of my beautiful panel. leo kearse and bruce devlin. we're going to help deal with unfiltered dilemmas . with your unfiltered dilemmas. so sitting at home so if you're sitting at home weeping on the carpet, you've got problems. just email us at gb at gb news. .uk. we gb views at gb news. .uk. we will do our level best to answer your issues. so now on to a story that's dominated headlines all week. bbc's row with all week. the bbc's row with gary kicking off with a gary lineker kicking off with a tweet by lineker reference to

rishi sunak's new small bill lineker wrote this is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by germany in the 1930 19305. and i'm out of . but 1930 19305. and i'm out of. but is he well discuss this with me i a lawyer, writer and legal editor for spike's online luke ghattas and historian and journalist nigel, thank you both to join me . journalist nigel, thank you both to join me. i'm going to come to you first, nigel, is this a freedom of speech ? should gary freedom of speech? should gary lineker be able to say whatever he wants on his own private twitter feed ? well, freedom of twitter feed? well, freedom of speech never you can't say, speech is never you can't say, oh, you shout fire in a crowded theatre. but as far as i understand it, lineker has broken the rules , the guidance broken the rules, the guidance rules that the bbc sets to ensure its own impartiality on this occasion, as he has several times in the past. so this is really a contractual issue. luke it'5 really a contractual issue. luke it's not not a fair point that the gary lineker is paid an

awful lot of money by. the bbc, he signed a contract saying he will preserve impartiality on his social media presence . why his social media presence. why is it that people are now saying that free speech absolutists ought defend? well, i think ought to defend? well, i think on the one hand, he was a he was subject to a contract with our national broadcaster . and what national broadcaster. and what he said was unbelievably stupid. it was a foolish thing to say, but i can understand the bbc has concerns and even if you are a free speech absolutist, as like to think of myself as we would never argue that free speech is completely without consequence . completely without consequence. and that's why free speech matters. you stand by what you say and what you say is up against you. you have to defend it in the public sphere. and the fact is that what gary lineker said was in i think he should be allowed to say it, but he can't be expected it to proceed with absolutely no consequence arising he's saying. arising from what he's saying. bbc take an unusual decision. i mean, i think it is said on mean, i think it is i said on thursday on another podcast, if they would ever i think we're

losing luke there. let's bring nigel in. can i ask you, nigel, about this idea of, you know, what he actually said? why is it so offensive ? it is extremely so offensive? it is extremely offensive to particularly to the victims of and the holocaust to compare a democratically elected government such as we have in this country with hitler's government in the that is just crass, completely ignorant historically ignorant and, offensive. but is there a difference? could it not be the case of what we should do therefore is criticise him? nigel rather than just just try and get him sacked? i don't think he should be automatically sat for that and i did criticise him in an article and people have criticised him . i'm not have criticised him. i'm not going to take a view on whether the bbc should sack him or not but this isn't a first offence, is frequently gone out of order and broken bbc rules on impartiality and whether he's a bbc employee or is a freelancer on a contract . then i. then the

on a contract. then i. then the bbc must decide for themselves whether he goes or stays . so whether he goes or stays. so let's talk about this idea of the bbc impartiality. you clause. is it right that they should have that? i mean, shouldn't it be the case that the bbc say you know, obviously on air presenters should be impartial but in their private twitter very free twitter that would be very free need to be one person on air another completely another person and your social media profiles. that's ridiculous . profiles. that's ridiculous. know you are an integrated one single person with your views and we all know now what lineker's views are yes he's welcome to say that to his however many followers. millions of followers he's got. but he is the face or one of the faces of the face or one of the faces of the bbc and he should be more responsible and even one of his own close friends , i believe own close friends, i believe andrew castle, said this morning that he knows lineker regretted making this remark about. yes comparing with our government,

but i don't think he will go pubuc but i don't think he will go public , admit that he was wrong. public, admit that he was wrong. well, i suppose lot of people would say, well, he's a football commentator, too. so, you know, we don't look to him for political prowess, you know, we're not really worried about what about policy that what he thinks about policy that would would go to would be fine if i would go to him for advice on football. but but he shouldn't speak but he he shouldn't speak publicly and so influence initially about a subject that he clearly knows nothing about, i.e. the history of the third reich. i mean, that's clear it. but he doesn't i mean, this this comparison was absolutely absurd . offensive and . it's also offensive and insulting to the two politicians who are pushing this measure to try reduce or control illegal immigration, which sunak and home secretary suella braverman because i'm not sure but the lineker's notice they are both the children of immigrants will be immigrants. yes, he seems not to have made this distinction which suella braverman was very clear in making in terms of the distinction between the illegal

migration and those are trafficked here. yes and those who are fleeing war and persecution, which she explicitly said in a statement she wanted to help those . i she wanted to help those. i don't the ever that don't remember the ever that kind of. no, no. i mean, there is absolutely no compassion and. suella braverman has not called illegal immigrants and compared them to rats like the did to the jews. for example . yes. suella jews. for example. yes. suella braverman is also, i believe , to braverman is also, i believe, to a jewish husband and this that just adds to the offence that lineker caused. yes, i believe we've got to us back now down the line . so maybe if i could the line. so maybe if i could just ask luke, where do you stand on what lineker actually said? and you know , you said said? and you know, you said that it was an indefensible thing , but what's so wrong with thing, but what's so wrong with someone on their own private twitter kind of twitter saying that kind of thing? because as i to thing? because as i said to nigel, this is a football commentator, a political commentator, not a political commentator, not a political commentator. commentator, not a political commentator . well, that's true. commentator. well, that's true. but he is a football commentator on, our national broadcaster. and i think that has to be taken into account. i also think it's a shame that we've spent this

week talking. gary lineker when week talking. gary lineker when we a real problem in the we do a real problem in the channel and i think it would be useful to talk about the of this issue whether issue and whether suella braverman plan does fix the problem because i think oddly it fits both sides that the way we deal with this problem at the moment, both sides are happy for this to be a culture war issue that ends up being unresolved. the tories legislative plan is not going to solve the problem. celebrate it herself, said this plan , a 50 50% chance of being plan, a 50 50% chance of being stopped by the courts this is the second of their legislative proposal that they proceeded with knowing that it's not going to work. witness, for example the rwanda partner if that was held in european on a previous occasion . so neither side want occasion. so neither side want to solve this problem and both sides are very happy for it to be around in this political way . i think really we need to recognise that the small boats are a problem . the tories plans

are a problem. the tories plans are a problem. the tories plans are objectionable. lineker is right to raise the fact that they are wrong. they go against a number of key tenets of our legal system , detaining people legal system, detaining people without representation, subject them to summary deportation . them to summary deportation. these are things that within our engush these are things that within our english justice system we are not used to . we should not not used to. we should not welcome. but that's not to say that we should adopt. the opposite view, which has seen reams of human rights over the last week, getting dangerously to using things like the refugee convention and the european convention and the european convention on human rights to defend the absolutely appalling trade in human misery , which is trade in human misery, which is the human trafficking which takes across the channel. we've got to find a practical solution to the boat problem and neither side seem interested in doing . side seem interested in doing. so short on time. so so we're just short on time. so i'm bring nigel jones. i'm going bring in nigel jones. i'm going bring in nigel jones. i to ask, what you make i just to ask, what do you make luke gates's view there that this a distraction this is actually a distraction and conversation and actually all of conversation about lineker tweet has about gary lineker tweet has effectively trivialise what is a very significant debate we need to having . yes, that's true .

to be having. yes, that's true. but that's just the consequence of our celebrity culture in which we give the views of celebrities , albeit in this celebrities, albeit in this case, completely and ill informed views of perhaps more weight than . they deserve a very weight than. they deserve a very well put. well, thanks both for joining me. luke and nigel jones, really appreciate that . jones, really appreciate that. and after the break, on free speech nation, i am going to be speaking with l.a. boucek about the suspected of iranian schoolgirl girls. don't go anywhere .

welcome to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle . while the with me, andrew doyle. while the west is celebrated, international women's day this week, news emerged from iran that more than a thousand girls in schools across the country appear to have suffered suffered mild attacks since mild poison attacks since november. some observe us say it could be part of an extremist, perhaps even state endorsed to the protests led by women and girls since the death of masada meaney in september. so to discuss this, i'm joined from california by alana saba boucek , a journalist who lived in iran for 28 years. alice, thanks very much for joining for 28 years. alice, thanks very much forjoining me today. so much for joining me today. so i'd like to ask you to begin with, what do you think for having now? thank you for coming on. now, under the current regime in iran, women in

education is not an unusual thing. apparently, since 2011, women have outnumbered men on university campuses. so why would they be now seen as a potential target and by whom ? i potential target and by whom? i honestly don't think there are there are targeting women in education. i think this is a tactical act by. some people in the government to scare people from from coming to protest because as you might have know beside the side the people in the street. we have many students , high school students, students, high school students, middle schoolers and university students that were in the front line of the protest. they're in the street. they're there was many videos of students in their schools taking off their scarves , tearing down the of the supreme leader , their books, supreme leader, their books, walking them. the islamic repubuc walking them. the islamic republic for many years have iranians walk on the flag of the uk and the us and kind of returning and saying we actually

don't want this. and you got to realise that these are the students who grew up on their islamic republic. they've been they tried to brainwash those people and now these same students , some of them as young students, some of them as young as 12, coming and saying, we don't want this regime, we don't want this forced to job, we don't want to be brainwashed. and they want out . so i feel and they want out. so i feel this is more like a tactic to scare the students , to take to scare the students, to take to scare the students, to take to scare their family , let the scare their family, let the students do that kind of stuff as opposed like, oh, we don't want the girls to get more education. and i think it's really important to reiterate, you all this came about you know, all of this came about because what happened because of what happened to masami was killed in masami oni, who was killed in custody with morality custody with the morality police. learning more police. and we're learning more more that, you know, more about this that, you know, they that she was beaten. and then the morality police failed to the emergency to contact the emergency services , 45 minutes. all of services, 45 minutes. and all of this obviously sparked this is obviously sparked at this is obviously sparked at this led largely by this protest led largely by young iranian women. and they obviously put themselves in the firing line, don't they, when they do this against this kind

of regime's very risky, isn't it? oh, it is. like the people have so the government shot at people with live ammunition guns mostly in kurdistan and baluchistan provinces. they shot at people with pellets, guns with led bullets and, you know, they they aimed at the people's faces. so have many people who have lost their sight because of this. and you know, they they did this in the protests and then they would arrest people who go to the hospitals. so you didn't have a chance to get a medical attention right after you being attacked by a brutal force. and people have been beaten. the people who have been arrested during these protests have been tortured really badly. the cnn how detailed report of like rape using as a weapon against these people and we have seen long sentences to these people like this some got about i think about. people like this some got about i think about . amnesty i think about. amnesty international said about 20 people were in the risk of execution and in november and four people actually have been

executed for participating in the protests . one of them what the protests. one of them what they did they have blocked the street and they had a cold weapon that resulted in fatal accident and still were executed. so harsh punishment for all this. and i see that as a continuation of trying to put a continuation of trying to put a damper on these protests and we should say, when it comes to the poisoning, we do not know for sure who is doing this, why, why they are doing this, but it's not helped is it that the iranian regime really just clamp down on investigative journalism reporting the bottom reporting to get to the bottom of going to be easy, of this is not going to be easy, is it no. have arrested is it? no. they have arrested a blogger. they've arrested a journalist . they are trying to journalist. they are trying to control their formation as much as they can. and, you know, lots what's they you know last what's funny, they you know last week there was a video of a four or five girls dancing with the song calm down and in a neighbourhood in tehran and they have already looked at the cameras around the area to try to find these girls who have

done nothing except dancing . but done nothing except dancing. but this poisoning has been going on for three months. they have about have been happening in 103 cities across 29 provinces. so widespread is not just a single . some cities say that about 300 schools or have been affected by this. so is a this is a big action this is not a small and they they were quiet three months first said, oh, this is not happening. and then they said, oh, this is you. i mass hysteria. this is a true thing. so they tried to do everything as opposed to like looking to the to the to investigate . and the to the to investigate. and then i think few days ago they said, oh, we are said they arrested about 100 people. they showed that we don't know who these people are. there's no details about how how they did this . they showed a forced this. they showed a forced confession of two of these people on tv . and these are you

people on tv. and these are you know, i'm going to explain this confession. this is a girl. so the accused of five of these accused are student . her father accused are student. her father and, couple of her friends. and you're talking about a teenage girl who are they are planning this and. they show a confession and she's sitting with her back to the camera with a hair cover. so pretty much don't know who's talking. and she goes like, yeah i you know, i called my friend and asked, hey, do you have gas? as opposed like they are not buying fire books. this is like a natural gas you're talking about. a natural gas you're talking about . and so the girl likes about. and so the girl likes things like i called my friend , things like i called my friend, they called their friend and oh yeah they had gas so we got it. it's, it's such an a ridiculous show put in display and you know, and the interviewer goes like, well , who's know, and the interviewer goes like, well, who's this flame? who was this person you got the gas from reza. who's reza? there is no qualification, no detail whatsoever about like , you know whatsoever about like, you know , no real investigative

journalism about who did this. and they are trying to already blame some people that the man they actually blamed works in they actually blamed works in the hospital. they caught him recording the film about when the girls were taken to the hospital, which is, you know, could be used as an evidence against the regime. so they have arrested them and they're this this person , about others. this person, about 100 others. but no more information but there is no more information about yeah, we don't have about this. yeah, we don't have transparency. we don't have accountability. very . then accountability. very, very. then do you feel that since the has tried to ignore all of this , tried to ignore all of this, there have a sharp rise in there have been a sharp rise in executions ? are the protests executions? are the protests going to quieten if you going to quieten down? if you could answer very could just answer that very quickly, we're of time. quickly, because we're of time. so weekly protest so there's weekly protest happening in iran . people gather happening in iran. people gather at night and they chant deselect in the middle of the night and rooftops. and there was some marches during and i'm sorry, we have to stop it there. we are out of time. but it's good to hear that the are coming not that would gripe. don't go away. a lot more now to come between

nine and the end of the show, including a woman in germany who is in love with a boeing 737. so in a few minutes.

there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week. but let's get a news update first from aaron

armstrong . hi there. let's get armstrong. hi there. let's get you up to date with the headunes you up to date with the headlines from the gb newsroom. match of the day will run for just 14 minutes tonight as fellow presenters continue to show solidarity with gary lineker his suspension lineker after his suspension seen by the bbc. mr. lineker dodged questions from reporters regarding his future earlier , regarding his future earlier, however, his eldest son says he thinks the presenter will return to match of the day but won't ever back down. the six nations coverage went as scheduled earlier, but five live radio sport was radically altered for both days of the weekend and match of the day to have no presenter pundits or commentary. former bbc executive roger bolton says the controversies diverting attention away from the real issue. it's this argument about what is impartiality and who must be impartiality and who must be impartial . impartiality and who must be impartial. that impartiality and who must be impartial . that is a wider impartial. that is a wider question, of course, other thing that's happening here is the political parties, particularly the government governing

parties, see this as wonderful opportunity in the culture wars to create trouble and attention from the fundamental issue here, which is illegal immigration, which is illegal immigration, which is illegal immigration, which is extreme or difficult to deal with . the prime flying to deal with. the prime flying to california right now to discuss the august defence deal between the august defence deal between the uk, the us and australia . it the uk, the us and australia. it is hoped that a deal to supply british nuclear power submarines to australia be confirmed following a meeting between sunak and his american and australian counterparts . and mr. australian counterparts. and mr. senex also expected to a new review of defence and foreign policy, which will set out the uk'5 policy, which will set out the uk's approach to threats from moscow and an increasingly assertive china. the start up bank of london has submitted a formal proposal for the uk arm of the collapsed silicon bank. the bank's uk subsidy theory will be put into insolvency this evening. the government says it will do everything it can to protect uk tech companies caught

up in the collapse of the bank. the company could start experience difficulties with cash on monday morning, but cash flow on monday morning, but the chancellor jeremy hunt, says the chancellorjeremy hunt, says the treasury's working hard to make sure don't run out of money. it is the biggest failure of a us bank since 2008 and is now under us government control . the health secretary criticised junior doctors for failing to call off their strike action starts on monday. writing in the telegraph, steve barclay described 72 hour walkout as incredibly disappointing . the incredibly disappointing. the british medical association , you british medical association, you know, has dubbed mr. barclay's recent offer to negotiate as a feeble attempt to stall. they also point out he did show up to talks on friday. it's expected to affect many services, including a&e cancer and maternity care and everything everywhere all at once is the favourite to win the best picture at the oscars, which get underway in hollywood a little bit later. and that film , bit later. and that film, though, will face stiff

competition from the banshees of inishowen, which has a record , inishowen, which has a record, nine nominations, a record for an irish film and all quiet on western front. bill nighy is up for best actor. andrea riseborough is up for the best actress for her role in the movie, too. lesley it gets underway at midnight tv online and dab+ radio. this is gb news now it's back . andrew and free now it's back. andrew and free speech nation . speech nation. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. so let's get some questions from our audience. our first question is from john. where is john? hello. and i have the organisers of the oscars lost the plot . of the oscars lost the plot. well, yes. so the winner of this year's oscar for best actress could be the last because the industry is moving towards neutrality and there's lots of pressure on the oscars now to follow other people like the

grammys. i think the brits did it because sam smith said they should. do you think this is a wise. yeah, i think it's great because create. another because it will create. another car let the brits win car crash let the brits win gender neutral because sam smith kicked first suit. but i'm kicked up first suit. but i'm non—binary even though he's obviously bloke, like, obviously a bloke, he's like, oh, worry because you oh, no, don't worry because you 90, oh, no, don't worry because you go, i like to dress like go, i like to dress up like a plump chicken. so they said, okay, will make it non—binary, will you? happy, whatever. will make you? happy, whatever. and made non—binary and and they made non—binary and then all the nominations were women and then owen—jones popped up. big look , we need separate up. big look, we need separate categories for because there are no representatives that's what you had when are you people going to be happy? will you ever stop so but stop moaning about stuff so but there is a case here, isn't there, when it comes to acting you see i understand in sports you see i understand in sports you to divide sex because, you need to divide sex because, you need to divide sex because, you run than and you know, men run than women and lift my sporting lift more. that's my sporting knowledge . okay yeah. but when knowledge. okay yeah. but when it comes to you for that. yeah it's a that's my biology. it comes to you for that. yeah it's a that's my biology . you it's a that's my biology. you should . but what about when it should. but what about when it comes to acting because surely

there's no real difference between a man and a woman acting. shouldn't be lumped acting. shouldn't they be lumped together? dame together? i think it was dame joanna. i'd say she i don't know the word she finds it to be regrettable was. but she felt that if women were up against men in a category the main which they went to the top of, you see. well, that's what happened in the brits, she felt. but then was he on the one show? sorry. but then on the one show i'm saying was they wanted saying that he was they wanted to official then official to be official then official them. yes he does talk them. yes. yes he does talk gibberish. he's known to do that . yes. it was a hard jump, but we'll move on. joanna was was that she feels that she has more of a chance swimming in a female category. yes. and she does a mixed category that includes some men. so it's kind of like one of thoughts how you feel them , what's the point? and why them, what's the point? and why not create new category so we can have multiple categories? can we get countries by height? i mean just go the full hog. just every person could be in their own category. and that you definitely get a yeah. what definitely get a win. yeah. what

is all this is striving for is what all this is striving for you got hate them. but tom you got to hate them. but tom cruise his own category, cruise being his own category, he the lifetime he was of the lifetime achievement he would, but achievement award. he would, but he height normally stands he the height he normally stands on box those people can't on the box those people can't notice, does not? a soap box, notice, does he not? a soap box, who i i he doesn't who knows? i i hope he doesn't see for that. like we're see me for that. like we're going on another going to move to. on another question now. this one is from richard hi, richard. hello, richard. hi, richard. hello, andrew. a andrew. see, you're wearing a trumpian tie evening. i but trumpian tie evening. i am. but do think ? the donald is past do you think? the donald is past his sell by date. interesting. now that the ties into reference to trump . it was the last time i to trump. it was the last time i left my show. honest, but left on my show. be honest, but i only took a shot of the maga hat as well. that's true. but you told not to wear that, you told me not to wear that, which very cool. so which is very cool. yeah. so this well it's interesting this is. well it's interesting because we now have ron desantis . pleased . he's . he's sort of pleased. he's saying he's probably going to a lot of people are thinking that he's run, but that's he's going to run, but that's going be very interesting going to be very interesting because, know, has because, you know, donald has such gop as such support with the gop as such support with the gop as such such clout. but the such power, such clout. but the truth is, you get someone truth is, if you get someone that has so much more that desantis has so much more energy it, it's energy and let's face it, it's just yeah, he's younger just younger. yeah, he's younger . up against yeah

. put him up against biden. yeah can that's going to can you imagine? that's going to be a car crash. it'd be an absolute, absolute landslide for ron also ron desantis absolute, absolute landslide for ron a also ron desantis absolute, absolute landslide for ron a track also ron desantis absolute, absolute landslide for ron a track in also ron desantis absolute, absolute landslide for ron a track in winning] desantis absolute, absolute landslide for ron a track in winning elections; has a track in winning elections , which trump doesn't won one election and the of the time he's not really done that well and he would say he won two elections fighting about everything then you've got to like make it actually in real life. yeah but yeah i mean trump really energises the hardcore base. really energises the hardcore base . yes. so i think he was base. yes. so i think he was talking he was talking about i'm going to love trump. it's just so funny because talking about instituting a public guillotines, which i thought, you know, i i'd go for that just to see what happens this again excuse me. i'm i'm with he is funny and miss him on funny and i do miss him on twitter you it kind sort of twitter you it kind of sort of appeal the majority whereas appeal to the majority whereas ron desantis could. well this is the isn't yet although the point isn't it yet although trump energise a lot of trump does energise a lot of people, he alienates twice people, he also alienates twice as doesn't he? even from as many, doesn't he? even from his side. so really, i mean, his own side. so really, i mean, if republicans thinking if the republicans are thinking carefully about this, ron desantis, got a great track desantis, he's got a great track record of turning florida

around. it's huge around. i mean, it's a huge success story that he can actually govern. yeah i agree with think is big with you. i think his is a big part of as well because they part of it as well because they are to having their you are so used to having their you know, leaders are much older know, leaders are so much older than the people that we have here, we like or here, whether we like them or not. but he is what is 47, not. but he is what is he, 47, 40? something like that, baby. he's a man . i 40? something like that, baby. he's a man. i mean, he's he's a young man. i mean, he's a child comparison to he's a child in comparison to bowie. he's an embryo compared to viner grandchild . biden to brian viner grandchild. biden can't talk. i mean , that's also can't talk. i mean, that's also an issue. really? yeah. yeah he's struggling, isn't he? just sort a string grown son. is sort of a string grown son. is this so that biden this so young that biden actually to sniff his hair? actually like to sniff his hair? okay, let's see what okay, well, let's see what happens on this . i'm not going happens on this. i'm not going there anyway . let's get another there anyway. let's get another question from laura wise . hi, question from laura wise. hi, laura. so my question is, does appear to work when you have kids. yes jeremy hunt has vowed to help reduce the cost of childcare at wednesday's budget as part of a wider drive to help people into work. and this the chance saying the high cost is stopping parents taking a job. he did, however, suggest there's

no scope for tax. i mean, bruce, is this is just him trying to win votes. is that basically it's pretty smart think. yeah i think it's a populist i mean obviously i can't have children my insides it wrong so it's my insides it all wrong so it's not nice. so sorry to hear that it's me. no, it's fine. i've dean it's me. no, it's fine. i've dealt with years, but dealt with it many years, but the of the matter is, the fact of the matter is, i think it's a smart thing, and i think it's a smart thing, and i think he's seen being a bit more kind parental friendly kind of parental friendly because it genuinely is. because i think it genuinely is. yeah, it's a body of a yeah, you know, it's a body of a lot of people, but it is. i mean, in france, pay a lot of money to help you look after you because you've got a new because i mean, you've got a new baby. you do the new baby. i'm really looking forward to the tories on this tories coming through on this and childcare. it's and paying for childcare. it's very uk and in very expensive in the uk and in germany france and other germany and france and other european countries. the amount you much you spend in child care is much less, i mean, a while less, but i mean, for a while now we've a problem and the now we've had a problem and the uk and other western countries, people enough kids uk and other western countries, pe replace enough kids uk and other western countries, pe replace the enough kids uk and other western countries, pe replace the population.gh kids to replace the population. i mean, are fertility is about 1.5 to 1.7 and it needs to be around 2.1 to maintain a stable population. have population. so politicians have looked immigration and looked at mass immigration and to sort up top up the

to sort of top up top up the population. but i mean, you know, me fashioned. know, call me old fashioned. i think route for immigration think the route for immigration into be through into the uk should be through women's canals and think women's birth canals and i think it's it's to it's good. it's good to encourage a lot of people aren't having because they can't having kids because they can't afford childcare, they can't afford childcare, they can't afford i think if we afford a house and i think if we if we some of that, we if we reset some of that, we would need not not having would need not just not having kids kids are annoying kids because kids are annoying and really expensive, but i don't know that those things could gains. yeah, i know could afford gains. yeah, i know those kids. i've got loads. i think other people's kids are very annoying, but when you actually own kid. actually have your own kid. you'd not you'd be amazed. they're not that annoying. really yeah, very interesting. okay, we're going that annoying. really yeah, very intmove1g. okay, we're going that annoying. really yeah, very intmove on.z)kay, we're going that annoying. really yeah, very intmove on. another're going that annoying. really yeah, very intmove on. another question. to move on. another question. this pete. where's pete? this is from pete. where's pete? hi. yeah junior doctors hi. yeah should junior doctors poor coffee for a living instead? yeah so junior doctor leaders. so they've started this advertising campaign , and this advertising campaign, and this is ahead of another strike. and this is a strike over pay, obviously. and they say that some they claiming that some they they are claiming that some they they are claiming that some could earn more serving some nhs could earn more serving coffee and they actually specify a manger have a pret a manger to have particularly anyway , particularly good wages anyway, there's to be this three there's going to be this three day monday the bma is

day walkout on monday the bma is bma that newly qualified, bma saying that newly qualified, qualified earning just qualified medics earning just over £14 an hour. so apparently they are paying you 14, ten and as a junior doctor you get 14, nine. okay so it's not that much of a difference. no but i would imagine being a barista at pret is easier than being a junior. doctors and it's less stressful. i would have thought. i don't think so. i think people in coffee shops are very rude and actually think the idea actually it is. i think the idea that could doctors that three could be doctors then. just know it's then. well just you know it's i think it's difficult to get the phone just right but i still i still stand by this that i think junior doctors more because it's a tough job and we do need them. that's true but they did choose to do that job they is i think anyone made i'm not speaking out against them i'm just you know but the patient is vocation. you know, they have a they have a to help people help the sick keep going , you know, just help people help the sick keep going, you know, just being sentimental. also career progression. i mean, if you're if you're working in prep, what is your progression working on

working greggs you're working in greggs? if you're a junior you're junior doctor, you're progressing. mature progressing. being a mature doctor , whatever the cold, you doctor, whatever the cold, you know, get paid a lot more. know, they get paid a lot more. i drugs be a step i think drugs would be a step down. i agree. i agree. i've seen that document and i've seen what's been swept up. well, the thing with the thing with chris is subscription is they've got this subscription service get like five service where you get like five coffees. you're filling these coffees. so you're filling these cups of coffee for all these people who are basically getting free coffee. but you're dedicated to the strikes anyway, aren't oh, nobody aren't you? oh, yeah. nobody should strike. mean. should ever go on strike. mean. just job. oh maybe the just quit your job. oh maybe the government should pay the nhs properly. maybe we should properly. or maybe we should replace with sort replace the nhs with some sort of works where of system that works where people paid. i mean, people get paid. i mean, you don't see doctors america don't see doctors in america complaining don't get paid. complaining they don't get paid. no, people in no, because poor people in america decent. america getting decent. yeah. there's upsides we there's a lot of upsides we could replace the we could replace the with , the bbc, replace the nhs with, the bbc, we do that . yeah. why is we could do that. yeah. why is no one thought of that before. i don't know. it's not being a doctor since vhs. very good. okay we're going to go on now to a question from one of our viewers home, neil neil asks, viewers at home, neil neil asks,

should sitting mp be more should a sitting mp be more careful about what they say onune careful about what they say online and he's alluding here to a recent by mp andrew bridgen in which he claims that some look , which he claims that some look, he says i can confirm that dunng he says i can confirm that during my visit to washington dc last christmas new year, i was informed that the us dod were responsible for both the virus and the vaccines for detrick. detrick was named also a facility in canada , now, he facility in canada, now, he says. so andrew bridgen, who had the whip taken away from, as we all know, we covered that story. he's now making claim this massive claim that the both the virus and vaccine are effectively bioweapons from now call me old fashioned, but i'd like to see some evidence for that. what do you think, liam? yeah, i mean, it doesn't look like he's to rehabilitate like he's trying to rehabilitate his as a conspiracy his image as a conspiracy theorist much. but i. theorist very much. but then i. we don't know we just saw the lab theory. no the fbi have lab leak theory. no the fbi have come and said, yeah, it come out and said, yeah, it probably from the probably did come from the coronavirus, probably come coronavirus, probably did come from we're from the lab. and we're got previously was far—right previously that was a far—right conspiracy maybe next conspiracy theory. so maybe next week that actually. week we'll see that actually.

yes, this is. that's yes, this is this is. but that's dangerous, isn't it? because i take that, you know, take your point that, you know, when things are sort of completely dismissed and turn out an element truth out to have an element of truth to people start to them, then people start mistrusting then mistrusting everything, but then people become even more credulous believing credulous and stop believing absolutely anything without evidence. to it evidence. and we need to have it surely when make claims that surely when you make claims that are it surely are this big, it is surely irresponsible not to present the evidence that you have. not just i heard from some bloke in america. that's bit america. well, that's a bit like saying pub last saying i was in the pub last night. you'll never guess what happened. mean, happened. so yeah, no. i mean, there's nothing that libellous can be arrested for that. can not be arrested for that. well that some bloke well for saying that some bloke in pub probably. in the pub probably. yeah. that's thing know that's the thing we don't know he like i say, i'm not he did. but like i say, i'm not the sort person who wants to the sort of person who wants to dismiss any theories. but i also want people to just jump to believing because believing any of thing because on flimsy is not even on the flimsy is not even evidence, hearsay posted on evidence, just hearsay posted on twitter. think think it's twitter. i think i think it's yeah. breaches previously you'd say a member parliament say well a member of parliament he's a man of good he's you know he's a man of good standing what he says standing i trust what he says but probably not any more. what's happening at the moment, though? be growing though? this seems to be growing more that people more generally is that people are you know, they're fed up of

being to. lots of people, being lied to. lots of people, lots are, like you lots of things are, like you say, wuhan, that whole thing was dismissed and then turned out probably true. and so probably to be true. and so people are just believing absolutely anything. and i think people we have to people need to don't we have to think critically about everything that everything we need to get that skill think, skill back again? i think, bruce, it's a lot of bruce, i think it's a lot of people are perhaps lazy. yeah. and to be seen as and they want to be seen as saying the thing and it saying the right thing and it makes you've heard that makes you you've heard that thing. i'm not really that intelligent. to intelligent. i know enough to get yes. so i think get by a part. yes. so i think a lot of people want to remain smart and look smart and be seen to be, you know, aligning themselves cause. themselves to the right cause. so they'll go with whatever so they'll just go with whatever the populist is, whether the populist thing is, whether that's conspiratorial is that's conspiratorial or not is it or is it just it just twitter or is it just the politicians just off twitter, i think twitter, maybe. i think politicians not be have politicians should not be have a recall. a long, hard thing recall. yeah a long, hard thing to themselves. the other one is whatsapp, know, politicians whatsapp, you know, politicians always go on whatsapp and always whatsapp, you know, politicians alw'these on whatsapp and always whatsapp, you know, politicians alw'these things. atsapp and always whatsapp, you know, politicians alw'these things. they) and always whatsapp, you know, politicians alw'these things. they must always whatsapp, you know, politicians alw'these things. they must know 5 say these things. they must know that are going to that these things are going to come but the thing with come out. but the key thing with whatsapp if a journalist whatsapp is if a journalist who has record of exposing has a track record of exposing asks for all whatsapp records, don't give him whatsapp . oh soon

don't give him whatsapp. oh soon as well . don't pop into the as well. don't pop into the jungle. yeah, well that's a separate issue but there's not but there's been a lot of politicians over the years that seem to well i think slightly different. but there is a lot of sitting mp that i think forgot that they were sitting peace. i ended up in the versace hotel and then the jungle and you think, know, are you think, oh, so you know, are you saying you would your saying you would like your employees to be parliament doing their rather than eating their job rather than eating bugs? of, yeah . yeah. i bugs? kind of, yeah. yeah. i don't know about that. mean, don't know about that. i mean, i quite doing george quite enjoyed doing george galloway brother. galloway was on big brother. i thought he did thought this was it. he did dressed a cop. he didn't dressed as a cop. he didn't dressed as a cop. he didn't dress cat. him personally dress as a cat. him personally to the right thing. and i think that's a lot more dignified. yeah. would you yeah. he you did ask would you like me to be the cat. he did he asked rule and then he did yes he is some of the best hair in showbiz hasn't she just. and on that note, we're going go to that note, we're going to go to a now. but after the a break now. but after the break, nation break, i'm free speech nation when sorry not enough. when is saying sorry not enough. i'm to asking a royal i'm going to be asking a royal at i was a more at the palace. i was a more apology to ngozi fulani . see you

apology to ngozi fulani. see you in 3 minutes .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle earlier this week and joseph alani who remember her revealed that she is temporarily stepping down as ceo of her charity sister space months after a former lady in waiting queen made unacceptable comments to her at a buckingham palace event. lady susan hussey asked forlani where do you come from and touched hair during the palace reception and stepping down ngozi fulani asked why it's been so hard for the palace to say sorry, saying an apology isn't an apology when have to ask for it. so joining me now to this is historian and royal rafe heydel—mankoo . oh, let me tell heydel—mankoo. oh, let me tell you . so for anyone who's you. so for anyone who's forgotten, could you perhaps

give us a rac of what happened with this case? yes. this is rather bizarre. just when the palace thought that this particular behind particular episode was behind them have them and forlani have been consigned to year's chip consigned to last year's chip papen consigned to last year's chip paper. she stormed back this week with this with this and with case. things seem to with this case. things seem to be going very badly for if she thought her new profile thought that her new profile would reap the benefits and she's not coming that way, she's just down as ceo of this charity, sister space, that she's created. she is blaming this on online abuse that she's received and she's blaming the palace for, not helping her with this online abuse, even though she's thanking them previously for helping her with this online abuse she's blaming them for abuse and she's blaming them for not apologising properly to which have to say, you know which you have to say, you know , how many apologies do you need? because this need? my because honestly this this woman has had three apologies at least the suit as soon as the hussy remarks were made prince william in the palace condemned them . they palace condemned them. they removed lady hussey from removed poor lady hussey from her office advisedly my her office and advisedly my opinion, they introduced training for equality and

inclusivity in the palace as well. and then they had a meeting at buckingham palace between forlani lady hussey, which was full of and understanding, we're told, where an apology was offered and, fully accepted. so she's had the apologies and his apology. yes. i mean far from the palace apologising to her i think most people will think she needs to apologise to the palace remember this is the woman who said that making sussex making duchess sussex had been a survivor. domestic at the survivor. domestic abuse at the hands her in—laws is hands of her in—laws which is a remarkable thing was quite libellous stated clearly when you violence you running a domestic violence charity . yes. and of course of charity. yes. and of course of all people lady hussey pointed out she deserves an apology for having her reputation traduced. a fine, noble of 60 years service loyalty , crown and service loyalty, crown and country who has thousands of people from all cultures over the years without a blemish on her record, not a racist bone her record, not a racist bone her body as you can just ask church she goes to every week which is majority . they all love which is majority. they all love her there and. then we find her herself in this in this

situation and she went onto all she did was also on whether from if you went onto social media last last year it looked as if she written the foreword to my income for the back for income for the woman back for kanye know, this kanye west. you know, this terrible her and terrible storm around her and undeserving. like undeserving. it does seem like massively overblown given that lady hussey's job was , of lady hussey's job was, of course, to find out information from people were from people as they were arriving the to , arriving at the palace to, convey information to the convey that information to the royal that's the royal family. that's part of the job, isn't that's a key part job, isn't it? that's a key part of her job is to go around, find of herjob is to go around, find interesting people, find out about their background who about their background and who they should member they are. so that should member of come, they of the royal family come, they can introduced to them. and can be introduced to them. and as i before, quite frankly, as i said before, quite frankly, if the palace if you arrive at the palace dressed an from dressed up like an extra from the lion don't be the lion king, don't be surprised if someone asks where you're from because wasn't wearing national dress. wearing any national dress. it was costume which she cobbled was a costume which she cobbled together from her from her wardrobe. knew was wardrobe. no one knew what was from you know, she's from and it's, you know, she's made entire of made an entire career of dressing her identity . and dressing about her identity. and it's very interesting that somebody devoted to somebody whose is devoted to their , who has their own identity, who has studied. as african studied. and so as african studies and says that africa is

actually her life, suddenly it doesn't want to talk about it. when somebody expresses an interest that's very interesting because she was obviously very proud her name to proud of it changed her name to have a more african name. i she was earrings the was wearing earrings in the shape africa at the event what she said also there's a couple of that one point too of coaches that at one point too but this book thing that but as this book the thing that the thing about is she also the thing about her is she also i would say needs to i would say she needs to apologise to people of apologise to the people of africa. this is a lady born in born in her parents are from the she doesn't where in africa she doesn't know where in africa she's worn ethiopian she's from she's worn ethiopian garb garb garb she's worn ugandan garb she's worn nigerian garb. she's got a name . there's also been got a name. there's also been culturally appropriated. if you lived by the work sword, i think you die work you should die by the work source and she needs to apologise all that. if she apologise for all that. if she had arrived a smart two had arrived wearing a smart two piece marks piece suit from marks and spencer her real name, spencer with her real name, martin none of this martin headley, none of this would up. i suppose martin headley, none of this w0lcounter up. i suppose martin headley, none of this w0lcounter argumenti suppose martin headley, none of this w0lcounter argument isuppose martin headley, none of this w0lcounter argument is that,;e the counter argument is that, you know, be very, very you know, it can be very, very annoying for people. it if someone asks where you're from and you you tell them and they keep is keep asking you, there is potential implication potential for an implication there believe what there that why they believe what

you're you're you're telling me that you're really else. really from somewhere else. sure. but the fact that this lady has, she has existed for 60 years this being years without this being a problem, her misfortune was problem, the her misfortune was to into fulani to bump into ngozi fulani a woman who racism . she goes woman who sees racism. she goes who for racism . she is. who looks for racism. she is. everything is seen through the prism it's prism of racism. so it's understandable someone like that will misinterpret it completely harmless things in a racist way. and overreact about that. so why have we reached this point? because obviously, when racism does occur. we need to be robust in challenging it. but when you have a situation like where the evidence all seem evidence would all seem to suggest there was no racist intent here at, all why would the then apologise and the palace then apologise and put place all measures to put in place all measures to deal with something which doesn't just say doesn't exist? why not just say actually , i'm afraid think actually, i'm afraid we think you mistaken here? why you were mistaken here? why not have strength that. have the strength to do that. you said i couldn't you might well said i couldn't possibly comment at the time that happened. have to that it happened. you have to remember, course, prince remember, of course, prince william catherine were william and catherine were actually in america on a tour, so timing couldn't been so the timing couldn't been worse. in fact, we thought worse. and in fact, we thought this had been deliberately managed, occur managed, stage managed to occur for damage and the

for maximum damage and the incident everything incident overshadowed everything was on their tour. so was happening on their tour. so there was a degree of damage limitation and i think they did. they they do realise now they did. they do realise now they acted too quickly and i think now know from this think they now know from this actually that there's no actually also to that there's no way can appease people way that you can appease people like this. the, the cancel culture champions will never be appeased. churchill appeased. you know, churchill famously feeding famously about appeasers feeding the and never be the crocodile and never be satisfied rather than apologising, you should just stand ground. jeremy stand your ground. jeremy clarkson found out, talking with his to . meghan markle his apology to. meghan markle that's right. mean, that's right. i mean, the apology things apology seems to make things a lot worse and sort of disincentivizes from disincentivizes people from apologising sometimes apologising sometimes apologising thing, apologising can be a good thing, right of respect. right? allegiance of respect. but in this era now but we live in this era now where soon as someone makes where as soon as someone makes an accusation they not the accuser, they become the victim. and you're a victim , and once you're a victim, attempt or to challenge attempt to rebut or to challenge that perception turns you into a victim , which complete no, victim, which is a complete no, no and also, if racism involved , then those people become elevated almost to the level of being civil rights activist. being a civil rights activist. and seen that with fulani, and you seen that with fulani, the radio , the today

the way that radio, the today programme, if she programme, treated her as if she was parks. you saw meghan programme, treated her as if she was goingzs. you saw meghan programme, treated her as if she was going quou saw meghan programme, treated her as if she was going up tor saw meghan programme, treated her as if she was going up to therv meghan programme, treated her as if she was going up to the duchess�*n markle going up to the duchess of sussex, going to receive this award for again as if she's a civil rights activist in both cases. civil rights activist in both cases . they're not rosa parks. cases. they're not rosa parks. they're more like jussie smollett would say, so what do we do then at this point when, you we have a situation, you know, we have a situation, she just back into the she can just come back into the news an apology now news for an apology again. now is the at which we should is the point at which we should just is enough life just say enough is enough life is surely, but will that is enough, surely, but will that happen. well the more coverage we to it, i don't this is we give to it, i don't this is a crazy world. we here and that's natural a soap. maybe natural a soap. so maybe the royal have an royal family just have an apology day for apology on a loop every day for the of their lives. that the rest of their lives. that might be the way to do it anyway. right. thanks very much for joining today. really forjoining us today. really appreciate. break appreciate. so after the break on my panel will on free nation, my panel will answering from viewers answering questions from viewers at home, including their thoughts who's thoughts on a german woman who's having relationship having a sexual relationship with aeroplane. don't go now with an aeroplane. don't go now

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some more questions. but this time it's from the audience at home. thanks for e—mailing in. this sent in this first question was sent in by lewis and lewis says, who asks with no good with goosebumps getting the ed treatment will assault on children's literature ever stop 7 children's literature ever stop ? so of course , this is off the ? so of course, this is off the back of the roald dahl story, but apparently r.l. stine , who but apparently r.l. stine, who writes these scary children's goosebumps stories, has revealed that his books have been edited so—called sensitivity . now we've so—called sensitivity. now we've talked about roald dahl on this program before leo. now they're going after the horror books. but the idea these books is they're meant a bit scary, they're meant to be a bit scary, chilling. know, the old chilling. you know, the old grimm's tales of quite grimm's fairy tales of quite scary them. scary stories. kids love them. they're terrifying. children they're terrifying. the children being witches. and also being cooked witches. and also some real, real as a visceral some is real, real as a visceral stuff. yeah, but yeah . if it's stuff. yeah, but yeah. if it's if it's a scary i mean to be i want to get a kid to just tell i mean it's bad but if it's a scary book surely it's supposed to be a bit challenging them. but also the author has said that he has not been consulted

about these changes. that's what's that what's interesting is that most with the sensitivity readers, they come they say to the they come in and they say to the author, what this is, this is what like to do. they what we'd like to do. they didn't consult roald either didn't consult roald dahl either because so, i mean, because he's dead. so, i mean, this good, is it? both he this isn't good, is it? both he could be in the snp leadership for all know. who knows? for all we know. who knows? that's a callback. that's what you call a callback. i'm is it? it goes i'm sorry, who is it? it goes around inclining stuff around inclining as to stuff a lot of publishers have what they call readers, right lot of publishers have what they call all readers, right lot of publishers have what they call all started readers, right lot of publishers have what they call all started withers, right lot of publishers have what they call all started with children's ? it all started with children's literature know, it's literature, you know, but it's actually creeping into adult literature so have literature as well. so i have a friend who writes books. he had a sensitivity who kept saying to him, keeps him, look, your villain keeps saying nasty things. you have cut out. i yeah, but cut that out. i said, yeah, but he's also cutting people copies of they're not of serial killer. they're not known pleasant. no. known for being pleasant. no. and they're not and the villain, they're not necessarily no necessarily light and frothy. no apparently, killer , apparently, if a serial killer, something that's a bit homophobic, than homophobic, that's worse than him his friends, him dismembering his friends, apparently has not been on netflix . i've watched that at netflix. i've watched that at some point. yeah he was jeffrey dahmer or something like that. he wasn't nasty. he was just angry . i he wasn't nasty. he was just angry. i don't know about he wasn't nasty. he was just angry . i don't know about that

he wasn't nasty. he was just angry. i don't know about that . angry. i don't know about that. was, you know, a killer what do you what was he, a? i'll do i'll just put to know this sensitivity. what are they going to put? and that's terrifying for the kids of today. are they going have somebody going to have somebody misgendered? i mean, it misgendered? well i mean, it could be something like that. i mean, say just leave the mean, i would say just leave the books alone you know, if books alone then, you know, if you're it, leave the you're going to it, leave the books your books. books alone or write your books. i just new works. i get a sensitivities , wrong words, sensitivities, wrong words, a genuine to read hello and not make it sycophantic. oh well you'd never you certainly that's the whole thing . that's what the whole thing. that's what it's about. okay, i've got another question. this from another question. this is from beverly. beverly says, beverly. and beverly says, would you to work , anika, you be scared to work, anika, right now . oh, they're living, right now. oh, they're living, you know , so there's going to be you know, so there's going to be this reboot of challenge. anika wait i mean, i've been looking forward to this for years, apparently ruffled feathers with the production staff the young production staff because set are because sources on the set are saying ms. rice is and saying that ms. rice is and abrasive and her approach to work and this is a prompted you know lots of the young employees working behind the scenes quite upset about that. but what do

you expect? she's there in a you expect? she's up there in a helicopter a tracksuit. helicopter in a tracksuit. she talks stiff stance talks it's a very stiff stance jumpsuit. probably a man jumpsuit. it's probably a man made fabric. and hammersley are uncomfortable, also uncomfortable, right? she's also a woman. the older than she was. so you know, there could be that as well. yes. and that was great, though. she looks fantastic. any gifted . fantastic. and if any gifted. yes, honestly do remember yes, i honestly do remember turning to the office, talking to you by they turned to you by the eyes. they turned out be a warm job. and out to be a warm up job. and i was employed by a friend of mine and friend had. hi, and this friend had. hi, princess, how are you? i they normally would and i said, hey, are that kind are you and all that kind of stuff and some ran up to me. but if you need to speak to each other i can take up. why? why? that's my friend . that's how that's my friend. that's how they it any of they address me. so is it any of your beeswax? they your beeswax? so they were assuming you time assuming them you pipe time someone calling princess was someone calling you princess was gendenng someone calling you princess was gendering not necessarily gendering you not necessarily misgendering maybe misgendering me and maybe thought homophobic. maybe thought it was homophobic. maybe it slight thought it was a slight i just thought it was a slight i just thought it and thought you it was funny and thought you really have time on your hands why people digging why are people digging for offence what's point why offence and what's point why i think because they have think because they do have a personality . but going back to

personality. but going back to the hair looks fantastic yeah she doesn't look as there are times touch too and that's very it's very your back me up this i too have along and not have any flyaways and she has succeeded so she should celebrated. she should be celebrated and in order to have that kind of immaculate look. you have be a bit abrasive and terse. i mean look thatcher, she look at margaret thatcher, she was of the whole the was always one of the whole the whole point here was fantastic, brilliant, whole rising brilliant, whole point of rising through in the media through the ranks in the media and you know, in and becoming, you know, in a position so that you position of power is so that you can throw a. cornish an underlings head yes. so you've done that here. yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. above station and yeah. i go above my station and then realise i was throwing an executive who was much more powerful than yeah, powerful than me. but yeah, well, i think the problem that annika from school annika comes from an old school television where television background where there lot of time, it was there wasn't lot of time, it was a or no yes, and she really a yes or no yes, and she really just wants to get get the just wants to get in and get the job done. but that's her job. job done. but that's herjob. i mean, a challenge and it's against the clock. stop the clock. yeah. so she's clock. yeah. so i mean, she's going a bit uptight right going to be a bit uptight right because there's a deadline

anyway, got question anyway, we've got a question now. a it's a bit of an now. this is a it's a bit of an odd sent in by jack jack says could imagine falling could you ever imagine falling love a plane? now you can love with a plane? now you can see photograph there. that's see the photograph there. that's the german woman who this the german woman who has this was daily mail this week. was in the daily mail this week. a name sarah rodo she's a she name is sarah rodo she's in relationship with in a sexual relationship with this 37. this plane. it's a boeing 37. i think it's a model of the plane. it'5 think it's a model of the plane. it's not a real plane. a real plane. but she unless she's really she could be really big. but travelled abroad 30 but she travelled abroad 30 times to spend time times last year to spend time with this other plane. so she's obviously got an issue of she likes planes generally. that's the thing. so what do you think about that ominous plane amorous? i think i think there's probably a word for it, yeah. do you judge people would you say live live , bruce? i say live and let live, bruce? i say live and let live, bruce? i say live and let live, bruce? i say live and let live, but feel to . live and let live, but feel to. free never come and visit me . free never come and visit me. i'm just at this. can the plane consent ? oh, my god. i never consent? oh, my god. i never thought. well, exactly. you really should go for the nobel peace prize. seriously, i've thought . about that. well, i

thought. about that. well, i don't know, because you remember with someone, i think it was on gmtv or jim at my age it was gmtv orjim at my age it was about guide dogs and they were upset because guide dogs hadn't been consented for training to help blind people. oh yeah. so you make a good point . has the you make a good point. has the plane been concerned how big is this plane? pretty guide dogs the resentful forced into this life of helping i think the whole point of but i do know that that plane if she's in a sexual relationship with already it's an easyjet . oh i don't know it's an easyjet. oh i don't know what's her but after the break of free speech nation the social sensations which this week includes a man who goes with the crane that he rescued. that's a bird, by the way . plus the best bird, by the way. plus the best of your unfiltered dilemmas. see you in a moment.

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle . nation with me, andrew doyle. every week we dedicate this part of the show to the of social media. but first up, we're going to be having, look at this, an unexpected bond has become unbreakable a crane and unbreakable between a crane and the man saved its life in, rural india. have a look at this. so last year, rf gurjar found this injured bleeding crane on his farmland and he bought the

crane into his home to help heal and that bird now never leaves his side . and you can see that his side. and you can see that from the footage. just follow and massive birds. i mean, and then massive birds. i mean, the wingspan. yeah. the six foot wingspan. yeah. you'd if that you'd be terrified if that was following your bike, but they're actually the closest of friends following your bike, but they're actuelt'sthe closest of friends following your bike, but they're actuelt's quite osest of friends following your bike, but they're actuelt's quite osest ofisn't1ds following your bike, but they're actuelt's quite osest ofisn't it? now. it's quite sweet, isn't it? yes nice. i mean, does yes really nice. i mean, does the crane do anything else for him? i don't believe i don't do household or anything. household chores or anything. i think a mate just think it's just a mate just hangs just around. hangs around, just around. right. be quite right. so it could be quite creepy. i think it's quite nice. it'5 creepy. i think it's quite nice. it's crane sleep i it's the crane sleep so i haven't enquired the sleeping haven't enquired to the sleeping arrangements the. you arrangements of the. are you implying no it'sjust implying something? no it's just asking. i'm not going with your deceased mind. i imagine he's had a thing built for the crane. a nice, like a large bird cage. like en suite for the sea. for the crane . well, he's very the crane. well, he's very sweet. i think it's lovely. i genuinely. i think that's really nice. i think it goes to show that we can so much more. we can, we, there's a lot to that but just sleep but we're just crane sleep i don't know very know it's one of those feel good shows let's move up now to liam liam up now to liam neeson. liam neeson was off his

neeson was court off his particular of skills as he particular set of skills as he enjoyed watching favourite enjoyed watching his favourite ice madison square ice team at madison square garden . let's take a look . garden. let's take a look. there is a problem. the reason that many celebrities become known for a particular like catchphrase thing that they do, and then they feel obliged to do it wherever i mean, it wherever they go. i mean, i remember hearing john bercow on the filmed was doing the bus being filmed was doing the bus being filmed was doing the thing because the odd, odd thing because that's his catchphrase. now, is he driving bus? he was not. he driving the bus? he was not. as happens, people said, do as it happens, people said, do your your catch. your thing, do your catch. right? right. neeson is constantly get this constantly going to get this with, find you with, you know, i will find you and will you. yeah. and and i will you. yeah. and considering he's done so much other stuff that was that was really i there's really good. i mean, there's some as well. there's some bad stuff as well. there's star, there some really star, but there are some really good just layer good stuff and you just layer that good. obviously, i that was good. obviously, i don't how it was full of don't know how it was full of these early works. hawke he befriended no him befriended a no follows him around bicycle. that's what around on a bicycle. that's what he yeah there

he should be. yeah there is i mean some people like victor male drew it's not even his real name everybody just knows name but everybody just knows him drew, him as victor male drew, everybody just to him everybody just comes up to him in and says, you in the street and says, you know, the do the lane, you know, do the do the lane, you can believe it. yeah. or i can't believe it. or i have said that there was even a father, ted sketch about that, right. a father thinks says, oh father ted thinks it says, oh this would be an amazing thing. he's never heard this before. so it must an albatross around it must be an albatross around your although if your neck. i mean, although if the is something that the albatross is something that you've then he's you've healed and then he's following that's following it right? that's the latest. albatross sleeping. latest. the albatross sleeping. the sleeping arrangements of these just think these birds. but i just think it's what do you it's nice. now, what do you think of would you do you have a catchphrase for. no, no, no, no. probably that's my catchphrase. no receive any opinions on the. no, catchphrase. no, no, that's your catchphrase. but sick of it. but he must get sick of it. i mean i've under pressure mean i've never under pressure to that because i was at to do that because i was at madison square gardens. everyone's watching him got everyone's watching him he's got to irish to do is threatening irish brogue. yeah. yeah. do think brogue. yeah. yeah. do you think so? think do you think so? i think so. do you think it's same with the guy it's the same with the guy that's father of pig? i that's the father of pig? i don't about of peppa don't know about father of peppa pig. upon me. done. pig. well, he's upon me. done. he on the graham norton

he was on the graham norton show, and there was a guy is at the mandalorian. i can't remember the name of the remember what the name of the guy and want to do the guy is. and want him to do the voice the voices. and he says voice of the voices. and he says that it's that's that because it's a show that's for children. watch. for children. children watch. it'5 if for children. children watch. it's if he it's quite a breath. if he doesn't feel it's, you know, the best voice to do in the voice mails and answerphone messages, i'm tiresome. then he i'm tiresome. and then a girl he was was saying father was on he was saying her father is voice peppa pig. and is the voice peppa pig. and apparently he gets harangued all the he goes the time anyway he goes particularly the meat aisle particularly in the meat aisle of supermarket because you of a supermarket because you know when think it was know remember when think it was dunng know remember when think it was during lockdown and these are this is this pepper pig puzzle piece and it was waitrose essentials for medallions for kids . so you piece it together kids. so you piece it together and get pegged as peppa pig actually done advertising for bacon products and pork products. no. but finally , she's products. no. but finally, she's not and she's not very nice and she's a fattest . but she keeps calling fattest. but she keeps calling her it's all right. her dad fat. it's all right. well, she deserves to well, then she deserves to chopped russian. chopped up into russian. absolutely show me a crackling there . go. so finally, a bizarre there. go. so finally, a bizarre boast from the government this week that you come to the uk illegally, you'll be denied

access to the nation's modern slavery system . surely that's a slavery system. surely that's a good thing, isn't it? let's have look this. this was the there look at this. this was the there it access. so if you it is denied access. so if you come to the uk illegally you'll be denied access to the uk's modern slavery system . what on modern slavery system. what on earth are they thinking? who on earth are they thinking? who on earth has done that? well, the trouble systems processes trouble is the systems processes that we put in place to deal with genuine asylum seekers and refugees. the can then be gamed and exploited by people who just want to come to my gosh messaging isn't it because i mean that's implying that we have an official slavery system here. all right. oh, yeah , it's here. all right. oh, yeah, it's phrase. yeah, we're going to we're going junior we're going to your junior daughter pay £14.09 an daughter and only pay £14.09 an houn daughter and only pay £14.09 an hour. yeah no, i mean i mean , i hour. yeah no, i mean i mean, i think the government the government get a lot of flack for having deal some. that's for having to deal some. that's an absolutely intractable issue . and however you deal with it , . and however you deal with it, it's going be horrible. no, it's going to be horrible. no, that's true think it is that's true and i think it is something just needs to be something that just needs to be dean something that just needs to be dealt with. but i think they need to think through their advertising this

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fight breaks out on the stand, which it does if a which hopefully it does if a fire out, everybody turns fire breaks out, everybody turns and watches the fight because are if the if it's a are better if the if it's a boxing match and start boxing match and people start doing it is nobody turns doing keep up it is nobody turns and watches is that's and watches the keep is that's not there is it is a 100% not true there is it is a 100% riot fighting is much more interesting football. interesting than football. why do incorporated do they just incorporated like they hockey? the they do with ice hockey? the fight part of the fight is actually part of the show. that'd be great. yeah, yeah. bring that back. i saw an ice hockey game canada. ice hockey game in canada. did you? was terrible. you? yeah, it was terrible. i i was awful. why did you go? someone i should but it someone said i should go, but it was burly fighting was just burly fighting somebody, know? they somebody, you know? course they get off that wonky floors . i get up off that wonky floors. i do have one key flaw. we'll talk in discussion. now, the part of the show where we talk through your dilemmas. we've got a dilemma here which has been sent in. and by the way, i do think every week you do send in these these problems. i do these problems. and i do appreciate it. this is from rob. and rob has said, is it wrong? i preferred match day preferred match of the day without the bleeding without stating the bleeding obvious was already wrong. is it? think i think a lot of it? but i think i think a lot of people you were saying people because you were saying

earlier that this version of actually they got more ratings. so don't so actually people don't necessarily want to be what necessarily want to be told what gary about gary lineker thinks about exactly. save exactly. and the bbc can save much money their wage bill exactly. and the bbc can save mu notioney their wage bill exactly. and the bbc can save mu not having their wage bill exactly. and the bbc can save mu not having these eir wage bill exactly. and the bbc can save mu not having these overpaid bill by. not having these overpaid celebrities it also doing celebrities on it and also doing that will will help the that will will help close the gender gap because . a lot of gender pay gap because. a lot of them seem men like me. them seem to be men like me. that's know getting more that's they know getting more women onto this. yeah it's disgusting. they need more women women onto this. yeah it's disg more]. they need more women women onto this. yeah it's disg more morey need more women women onto this. yeah it's disg more more ethnic more women women onto this. yeah it's disg more more ethnic minorities en and more more ethnic minorities presenting match of the day by that what do you think of that person. yeah, that's. i never thought you'd say something that they're pushing for the diversity. right. but i think you make a very good point, if i can run the show without paying over million pounds for a particular presenter. what? what's what's the what's the point? what's the point exactly. point in having it exactly. a good gogglebox gogglebox good for gogglebox on gogglebox . you should do gogglebox instead. yes. and then you can tweet however you because tweet however you like because it's all right. it's on the bbc. all right. we've another dilemma now. we've got another dilemma now. this from rick in west this is from rick. rick in west london. i'm says last new year's , someone hacked my facebook and posted a status claiming i

didn't care what anyone i would definitely be. drink tonight. now i'm struggling to convince friends that i didn't can convince them for me please what's happened? the lady doth protest too much. i mean, i think i think if he's writing into a programme claiming he didn't, he probably did. is he. is he drunk? right no. he might be i believe be writing it. yes, i believe that's might case. i that's not might be the case. i mean the thing about this, i often hear this when people say something really online and they default i've been default thing is i've been hacked. you buy? no, of hacked. yeah. do you buy? no, of course. most cases they course. in most cases they haven't been hacked. it's just now just excuse to. this now it's just an excuse to. this is difficult to hack is quite difficult to hack a member twitter member parliament twitter account. times account. i've tried many times and know you have to factor and you know you have to factor authentication need authentication you know you need to phone as yes, to have the phone as well. yes, but plausible deniability, but it's plausible deniability, isn't it? i mean , they're trying isn't it? i mean, they're trying to but yeah. people that people say and it doesn't say all the time and it doesn't it well i mean, it doesn't wash. well i mean, i remember when i was a schoolteacher and this one boy sent email to the headmaster sent an email to the headmaster saying, want big saying, i really want you big boy something . and done boy or something. and he done that he claimed he'd been that and he claimed he'd been hacked. unfortunately for him, the the cctv cameras

the library had the cctv cameras that him sending it. did the that saw him sending it. did the headmaster write back saying , headmaster write back saying, are i mean , so he are you wearing i mean, so he did get suspended for that. but what was particularly good about it was this is one of the best kids in the school, like really diligent, nerdy, someone you would never expect to done would never expect to have done this. right. was a great this. right. it was a great thing do, but it just goes to thing to do, but it just goes to show that you be hacked. it show that you can be hacked. it can it happened to can happen as it happened to you. been hacked? you. bruce have you been hacked? no, no, no. is that because no one's interested to assume your identity? were a teacher? identity? so you were a teacher? i was a did you not? i i was a teacher. did you not? i lost my english drama, you lost my english in drama, you know, is this a be know, drama. is this a be fluids? make more sense . can't fluids? make more sense. can't you seem as a drama teacher? i used to do sort of in a tracksuit well yes because as a drama teacher you have to be quite limber. oh yeah and you have to also you can be a tree. a tree is one of the things that you might be, but you also have all sorts of things you might not be a teacher for. i mean, this isn't really the for me, just the thing is fascinated, genuinely interested. i was a teacher about ten years. you

teacher for about ten years. you know, i'm to google you as know, i'm going to google you as a not just a person. a teacher not just as a person. there all sorts of things there are all sorts of things about don't know. about me that you don't know. but you go are the gift but there you go are the gift that keeps giving. i am the that keeps on giving. i am the gift. didn't you used to be a teacher and i used work for teacher and i used to work for cyber crime intelligence. yeah. which thing say which the same thing you say analyst. actually analyst. yeah. you actually doing yeah. gave you doing that. yeah. yeah. gave you that job. they allowed you to do it. i work for the it. i don't work for the foreign. were always trying foreign. they were always trying to it really is to fire, but that's it really is really, actually really difficult fired by if difficult to get fired by if you're working for a corporation or in the public sector. it's difficult for people to fire you . amazing. even you. yeah i can't believe they let you do that job anyway. look we've run out of time. i talk about out of time. i could talk about this for ages, but. well, it's next week anyway. thanks for joining free speech joining us for free speech nafion joining us for free speech nation was the week when nation this was the week when the rapped knuckles. the bbc rapped the knuckles. gary children's gary lineker more children's books to protect books were censored to protect the well, who knows. the feelings of well, who knows. and in love with and a german woman in love with her while let her aeroplane while live and let live. that's i say. thank live. that's what i say. thank you to my lovely panel. leo kearse bruce devlin and my guests, julie bendell , nigel

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as we end this mild air coming in from the land tick . but in from the land tick. but dakota is always close by across the far north of the uk and as we go through the next few days that in fact sink its way back towards the south. but for the rest of sunday we've this band of rain working its way northwards as it bumps up into that cold air across far north, we see some sleet snow, we will see some sleet and snow, especially the high especially across the high ground the south. it ground and to the south. it increasingly windy, especially along southern counties, could see gales here come see some coastal gales here come the night. the end of the night. temperatures many miles , 10 temperatures for many miles, 10 to most towns and cities to 11 in most towns and cities across a touch of across the south, a touch of frost the far north. and frost of the very far north. and this cold air will its way this cold air will sink its way southwards we go through southwards as we go through monday. rain turning monday. so the rain turning increasingly to sleet and snow , increasingly to sleet and snow, even levels at times even at lower levels at times across . there across scotland. so there are warnings force could see some warnings in force could see some disruption throughout disruption here throughout the day mild but day. further south, mild but blustery risk of some rain , blustery risk of some rain, especially across northern england, wales , south—west england, wales, south—west england, wales, south—west england, highs reaching 14 to 15 degrees into evening. the kodak continues to transfer its way southwards. the risk some snow across northern ireland in england and eventually into

wales in the midlands again could see a covering of snow in places chiefly across the high ground as. we go through the course the night in cold course of the night and in cold behind could see some fairly behind it could see some fairly widespread come widespread icy stretches come tuesday tuesday tuesday morning. so tuesday morning could be a bit morning commute could be a bit tncky morning commute could be a bit tricky across northern and central again, expect tricky across northern and centra disrupt again, expect tricky across northern and centra disrupt action expect tricky across northern and centra disrupt action here.:t tricky across northern and centradisrupt action here. but some disrupt action here. but all in all, it's going to be a cold day for all of us once any early rain clears the very far southeast, a mixture of spells and wintry showers, even some sleet and snow possible across the far south, but chiefly the north. as we go through the course of the day and temperatures struggling compared to recent days , but that cold to recent days, but that cold thing doesn't last for too long. in the south, it has milder, but wetter. on wednesday .