dewbs& c0 now talk dewbs& co now talk about going from 0 to 100. junior doctors are in disputes with the government over what else pay and what are they asking for .7 and what are they asking for.7 just a mere 55% pay rise and twice the government's arm. they've gone on strike. get this for three days. they're out of the cancer wars, out of maternity units and out of accident and emergency. should it be allowed? i've got a sneaking suspicion tonight that our guest will definitely disagree on that. and ever since brexit, britain is on the hunt for trade deals. but at what cost? well, the trade minister for the united arab emirates says if you want to trade with us, then you got a bottleneck about human rights. so if we want to win people over round the world, should we basically stop lecturing them about their human rights records ? and home human rights records? and home secretary suella braverman is on the march again. she's telling the march again. she's telling the police to stop recording the

names of people accused of non crime. her incidents . police crime. her incidents. police should be protecting free speech, she says, and she singled out the case of the teenagerin singled out the case of the teenager in wakefield, who was added to the police files after scoffing a copy of the koran. how suella got it right. we'll have all of that to comment and more. but before we do that. yes sorry, yes, sorry . i sorry about sorry, yes, sorry. i sorry about that. anyway as i was just pondering, we have indeed got a lot to get through tonight. you've got to. fantastic guests alongside me and we'll be getting into other things as well, such as, for example, gary lineker. what absolute jerk lineker. what an absolute jerk that has all been house. and of course, everyone downing tools, wondering, offering solidarity over the weekend, having lots of sports issued and basically silent mess. what did you made to it all? ratings were apparently up for match of the day, which i found quite hilarious, albeit perhaps perhaps curiosity perhaps just a morbid curiosity . and did you also see the

goings on in wales? apparently children of primary school age can be, get this mixed berry gender fluid muffin as you walk off is going on in this. well sometimes honestly i do despair but maybe i'm out of touch i don't know you tell me. get in touch with me because, as always, tonight is not just about us three. it's very much about us three. it's very much about you at home as well. get in touch with us on email gb views gbnews.uk . or you can views at gbnews.uk. or you can tweet me if that's your thing at gb news. but before we get into all of it, should we just take a moment to bring us up to speed? what's a latest headlines . what's a nice latest headlines. michelle thank you. the top story on gb news tonight . the story on gb news tonight. the prime minister has said it's the right thing to do to take steps that are necessary to protect ourselves against the likes of china . rishi rishi sunak made china. rishi rishi sunak made the comments in san diego after the comments in san diego after the government pledged £5 billion over two years to the armed forces. he also met his

australian counterpart, anthony albanese , ahead of unveiling albanese, ahead of unveiling a major new us defence pact between the uk, the united states and australia plans to be announced with president joe biden include supply going nuclear powered subs to australia and ahead of that meeting , mr. australia and ahead of that meeting, mr. sunak praised the current relationship between the united kingdom and america. china is a country that does have different values to us. it poses a systemic challenge and its behaviour is concerning. more authoritarian at home, more assertive overseas and in light of that, it's right that we take the steps that are necessary to protect ourselves, our relationship with america economically is very strong. our exports are growing massively anyway, and we are concluding agreements with states. remember, many americans states are as big as both countries and actually increasing our economic ties at a state level. it's something that can be really good britain and good for good for britain and good for jobs. so getting on jobs. and so we're getting on and well . a lot of and doing that well. a lot of news here at home. three people have been taken to hospital

after a suspected explode after a suspected gas explode asian wales with one asian in south wales with one person unaccounted for. emergency services are at the scene in swansea after being called to the morriston area this morning. called to the morriston area this morning . police say two this morning. police say two properties have been extensively damaged and neighbouring buildings have also been affected. they've set up a cordon and are asking the public to avoid the area . local council to avoid the area. local council leader rob stewart told gb news teams are working hard to secure the site . you're in the street the site. you're in the street here. you can certainly smell gas in terms of, you know, the remnants of the explosion . and remnants of the explosion. and it's also disturbed the electricity supply in the area . electricity supply in the area. this looks like a localised incident and you know , certainly incident and you know, certainly the area of morriston is a modern area and there's no suggestion of any sort of infrastructural issues at the present time as you've been hearing. tv presenter gary lineker has been reinstated to presenting much the day after reaching an agreement with the

bbc. that's after he was taken off air over a tweet on the government's illegal migration bill. the bbc director general has apparently apologised and said the corporation is launching an independent review of its social media guidelines . of its social media guidelines. the board has welcomed the move , saying impartiality is a cornerstone of the bbc . speaking cornerstone of the bbc. speaking to the bbc , director general tim to the bbc, director general tim davie said he took proportionate action . i've always said we need action. i've always said we need to take proportionate action to some people. by the way, we've taken to severe action. david others think we're being too lenient . one of the joys of this lenient. one of the joys of this affair is that never been easy solution. but asking gary to step back off air was, i think , step back off air was, i think, a significant thing. and now we look forward with this agreement moving forward to resolve things and get back to business as usual. and get back to business as usual . julia doctors have staged usual. julia doctors have staged their first of three days of industrial action as they mounted picket lines outside the hospitals. the british medical

association says junior doctors in the uk have suffered a 26% rate pay cuts since 2008. the union saying newly qualified medics earned just over £14 an houn medics earned just over £14 an hour. that's less , they say, hour. that's less, they say, than some barristers in coffee shops. the health secretary steve barclay, says the demands of a 35% rise are unaffordable . of a 35% rise are unaffordable. now king charles and other members of the royal family have attended a service celebrating commonwealth day at westminster abbey . abbey. his majesty focussed his speech on the theme of forging a sustainable and peaceful common future. the annual reception is now being held at buckingham palace , king charles said a palace, king charles said a commitment to peace, progress and opportunity t will sustain the commonwealth. let hours be a

commonwealth that not only stands together , but strives stands together, but strives together in restless and practical pursuits of the global , common good . moody's in an , common good. moody's in an hour now, more from michel . hour now, more from michel. thanks for that. well, i am michelle dewberry and i am keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me , charlotte pickles alongside me, charlotte pickles is the director of the reforms think tank at our investment is the founder of novara media . the founder of novara media. welcome, both of you. the confusing me tonight ladies and gents at home because i've got the person that would normally lean left sitting on my right. so that would perhaps so the person that would perhaps lean my left, lean right sitting on my left, maybe might give me maybe you might give me interesting opinions because there least one topic there is at least one topic tonight when i tonight and sometimes when i think he or thinks or

think i bet he or she thinks or thinks there's at least thinks this, there's at least one i'm aware of one topic that i'm aware of where actually very much where actually the very much confused surprise me with where actually the very much convaiews. surprise me with where actually the very much convaiews. it surprise me with where actually the very much convaiews. it makese me with where actually the very much convaiews. it makes me e with where actually the very much convaiews. it makes me wonder their views. it makes me wonder whether the whole kind of whether or not the whole kind of traditional left or right thing is even as much of an issue or a thing as it was once upon a time, or was life moved on from all that? in touch with all of that? get in touch with me. let know thoughts. me. let me know your thoughts. you drill anyway. the you know the drill anyway. the usual way is email and twitter. i pondenng usual way is email and twitter. i pondering the of i was pondering at the start of the program whether or not i was losing my mind or if the world is going mad. cave has in is going mad. cave has been in such not losing my such saying i'm not losing my mind the is going mad mind and the world is going mad and with me. makes and he's with me. and that makes me happy. because as long me happy. cave because as long as you all there, at least you know, if there's more more, know, if there's more and more, not me, i'll never be not just me, i'll never be alone. that's nice. is alone. so that's nice. is that right? into our top right? let's get into our top story shall we? because story then, shall we? because you might have noticed junior doctors are on strike and it's all a little bit nasty, i all caught a little bit nasty, i have they're have to say, because they're down this morning for down tools this morning for three now . if you missed three days now. if you missed the start of program, you're the start of the program, you're not aware of the story. you're sitting there. i think it was all about, answer

all about, well, the answer is pay- all about, well, the answer is pay. though i get pay. how much pay, though i get it's not five or ten or 15. i know they want a fair 85% pay rise. you did hear that, correct? it's 55% in order to get it and to convince the government of their argument, erin, they've withdrawn themselves from lots of the emergency care that they would have, perhaps in previous strikes have provided cover for. where do you stand on the whole thing? well, i feel that junior doctors in particular have had a very bad deal with regards to pubuc very bad deal with regards to public service wages falling over the last 13 years. so as as perhaps your audience has heard or seen , the average junior or seen, the average junior doctor now is adding in their first year on £14 an hour, obviously incredibly low. and if you're living in a major city like london, manchester, renting very high costs , we're in very high costs, we're in a situation now where many junior doctors living conditions actually would be, frankly, beneath a university student. and it's deeply concerning. so

they're asking for 35. there's not that many of them. so the context there is that would cost around £2 billion. so that's what's on the table. now, bear in mind, all 2 billion what we've just did you say with the book, we've just given the french 500 million, you know, so what do you say, a billion with a bit, i might say with a. yeah. so it is a significant amount of money, but why do you think we've just increased defence spending billion the spending by 5 billion given the french million. there's french 500 million. there's clearly around. and clearly money to go around. and of we out last of course we found out last month actually got 30 month actually we've got 30 billion we realised in billion more than we realised in tax the tax receipts ahead of the budget. so is money to budget. so there is money to play budget. so there is money to play i lots of people play with. i know lots of people want that money, but there is money to play and i think money to play with and i think frankly doctors and frankly junior doctors and i must i think should must say nurses i think should be the front the queue be at the front of the queue when comes to actually when it comes to actually looking after some people. this i mean, a lot. i can pick up i mean, a lot. so i can pick up on that. just a quick on that. but just a quick question, about your question, just about your economic viewpoint. you economic viewpoint. so when you sort at surplus ends, sort of at the surplus ends, i agree you, the government agree with you, the government have receipts that they were have got receipts that they were perhaps expecting. i would perhaps expecting. so i would think right thing

think actually the right thing to with money is if to do with that money is if you've yourself into flat you've got yourself into a flat financial conundrum then you financial conundrum and then you end little of end up with a little bit of extra rather than extra income rather than splashing the cash wherever. i would actually it's more would actually think it's more fiscally responsible to sit there go, fantastic, i don't there and go, fantastic, i don't need to perhaps borrow so need to now. perhaps borrow so much get myself out the much to get myself out of the mess. i mean, i wouldn't be spending surplus. i'll be spending that surplus. i'll be keeping and not keeping hold of it and not borrowing do you agree? borrowing as much. do you agree? to an extent? i think you could do lot but then i do a lot with 30, but then i would say let's have temporary would say let's have a temporary time, limited cut to vat, for instance. but we have a major problem country. problem adopted in this country. and when nine or 10,000 and i think when nine or 10,000 doctors show have a big doctors show we have a big problem with recruitment and this interesting this is particularly interesting and the and it's bad because the taxpayer hundreds taxpayer spends hundreds of thousands not thousands of pounds, if not millions pounds, frankly, on millions of pounds, frankly, on a a doctor. end the a on a doctor. they end the profession. course, after ten profession. of course, after ten or in the profession, or 15 years in the profession, then money. nobody's then lots of money. nobody's saying don't saying that consultants don't and lots of money. but before then junior doctors, then that junior doctors, they have schedules. they have very tough schedules. they don't much and they don't earn very much and they have incentive to go to the have the incentive to go to the us, alia or us, australia, alia or elsewhere. so training elsewhere. so we're training people losing out on people and then losing out on them a big problem and

them and it's a big problem and them and it's a big problem and the government to have an the government has to have an answer it. again want to answer for it. again i want to come on some of the things, come back on some of the things, but i do, charlotte, your but before i do, charlotte, your thoughts? think thoughts? i think the i think walking out straight off the bat for three full days now , no for three full days now, no other striking sector has done this. the nurses started off with 12 hour strike. so to start off straight off the bat with three days, no emergency cover. michelle, as you said, no cover in maternity wards, all of these these these wards and areas that junior doctors are absolutely crucial to. i mean, something like half of the doctors in the nhs, our junior doctors. so this is a huge impact on the nhs, its ability to provide core health services. but let's just for one moment reflect on what they're walking out for. a 35% pay bump, 35, and how they got to that figure. they've used a measure called rpi , which is a measure called rpi, which is a measure of inflation, which our national

statistics agency in this country say is discredited and you shouldn't use. so actually, if you look at what the figure is, they would push back and say, yeah, but hang on, that's just politicking. because when it suits the government for things like audit and train fare increases, etc. they reckon the americans that the government do use for the government, that the government don't use. so it may be that that external and or bodies use it. the government does not use rpi. the government uses . and you were to uses cpi. and if you were to take cpi . yeah, junior take cpi. yeah, the junior doctors seen significant doctors have seen a significant real decrease in the value real terms decrease in the value of their salary, but nowhere close to 35. so i think it is irresponsible. irresponsible to say we want 35% and we're going to walk out for three days without providing cover unless you give us 35. i also do just want to say, if you look at cpi and you use that same stock, which takes about ten, 10 to 14, 16, i think it ranges range because you doctors the average

salary is again it's quite clever putting it in per hour. but the year one, the foundation year one which is what a junior doctor starts with the average amount they actually earn is about £37,000, which is more than the national average . and than the national average. and that's nhs data can give you that's nhs data can give you that the top end of the when you're still a junior doctor, which is several years a foundation born and then you do several years is about £63,000. and then after that you become a consultant. so not in that massive amount of times you think about how most people's earning potential goes and nhs consultants are in the top 2% earners in the country. so i think there'll be people sitting out there watching this tonight who are thinking, gosh, that sounds high salaries sounds like quite high salaries to me and hold on a minute, they want 35% in a cost of living crisis when actually this idea that there is 30 billion when, you know, when i was 30 billion, that's what in technical terms is called fiscal headroom. what does that mean? it just means you're going to borrow less than

30 you 30 billion. doesn't mean you have it's still have 30 billion. it's still magic money, tree money. it's not there. it was there for is there for defence spending. it's not for this. is not there for this. so it is there so , yes, there is money there so, yes, there is money and you always have to make trade offs within this. right. but the idea that there's a 30 billion pull that we can just chunk up and hand out to different services. so, okay, so we give 2 billion to junior doctors, actually is doctors, which actually is they're for immediately, they're asking for immediately, whereas over whereas defence is over a certain number of years, as is the 500 million to francis. my understanding that's over several . they're also several years. they're also i mean if you think about for defence and national security, i think most people would say given the geopolitics at the moment, that probably is a sensible case to be made that we need to increase the amount we're spending to keep the country is country safe, which is a disgrace, which is what the government would say. government would always say. well, immigration. well, illegal immigration. oh, no, you, procure no, i tell you, go procure human. it's terrible. no, no, we will definitely increase military increasing military spending, increasing military spending, increasing military spending, increasing military spending when the procurement awful . procurement is awful. no business accept if the business would accept it if the cannot procure and we have the

mod parliamentarians, all mod and parliamentarians, all parties now. parties are on record now. i totally agree with you on that. so throwing more money at that just so daft. mean, just seems so daft. i mean, we've doctors, the figure we've got doctors, the figure i heard £9,000, but that's heard it for £9,000, but that's the salary. you look at the base salary. if you look at the base salary. if you look at the data itself because what the nhs data itself because what the nhs data itself because what the 29,000 then if do the 29,000 and then if you do exactly what you've described, you do on you do weekend you do on coal, you do weekend working, london waiting, working, you do london waiting, there won't find a junior there is you won't find a junior doctor that is getting that. so the data says on average a the nhs data says on average a year one is 37,000. they get that rise. i would say. that as a pay rise. i would say. so i don't know. i'm not sitting there working out the government figures in the nhs. they've obviously aren't just talking figures in the nhs. they've obviotjunioran't just talking figures in the nhs. they've obviotjunior doctors. talking figures in the nhs. they've obviotjunior doctors. you ng figures in the nhs. they've obviotjunior doctors. you talk about junior doctors. you talk about junior doctors. you talk about nurses and i think it's a really good case that we should be being generous can be being as generous as we can be being as generous as we can be i would have be to nurses as i would have suggest as junior doctors. i'm sympathetic to idea that we sympathetic to the idea that we do see a decent bump for do need to see a decent bump for junior but i don't junior doctors, but i don't think 35% comes anywhere close to being bump. so to be to being a decent bump. so to be clear , i actually think that clear, i actually do think that nhs staff do deserve a pay rise. i absolutely do for the record,

because i always get in trouble for being heartless, which i'm not. i think they should get a pay not. i think they should get a pay rise, but i think that fact, if our% is fantasy land and i actually think that it's counterproductive negotiate counterproductive to negotiate shins as opposed to productive in terms of making step forwards on this whole £14 thing that's been bandied around . i think been bandied around. i think it's quite interesting. charlotte quite clever charlotte says it's quite clever . i find it quite disingenuous. the messaging around it actually , because what they're doing is they're out into the they're going out into the media and saying, the salary and saying, look at the salary of a junior nurse and then compare to a barista . compare it to a barista. prettyman so i can earn more pounng prettyman so i can earn more pouring cups of coffee than i can being a junior doctor. but i found the comparison very disingenuous because i agree with the doctor it's supposed to be a vocation. when you look at the nhs, the perks , the the nhs, the perks, the progression, the top earnings that you can get. so i don't find it clever. i think it's a bit disingenuous and it turns me off from the cause as opposed to onto it. what do you think they

should get? i agree. i agree. i agree in precisely with that. actually, i have to say, you're right. there many advantages right. there are many advantages for the nhs and for working in the nhs and becoming a doctor. there's a reason why young people get £100,000 become £100,000 debt to become a qualified course. but qualified doctor, of course. but we have problem now in we have a problem right now in this regards to and this country with regards to and i'm answering your question, by the terms of getting the way, in terms of getting from a student to junior from a student to a junior doctor a senior doctor doctor to a senior doctor because they're leaving the country. and it's similar to me. it's analogous to apprentices who's country, who's leaving the country, though, that though, because even that i would query because the significant numbers now of uk of uk go to uk health professionals go to the australia and the united states a they don't states because the a they don't have student that all have to pay the student that all that accumulated but that is accumulated interest but not and they're not to pay it and they're earning protecting earning more money protecting us. very alluring us. it's a very alluring professional that professional landscape that they're lot more they're earning a lot more money. and yet australia, out of trade week was it last trade week i think was it last week whatever when they week for whatever when they proactively us proactively was trying to get us to. about what if you made to. what about what if you made training be a doctor or nurse training to be a doctor or nurse free and then there was a caveat on your locked in your return to the nhs . at the moment you step the nhs. at the moment you step foot in australian soil to work there or wherever, then you

become instantly for become liable instantly for whatever a percentage of those debts . what about doing it that debts. what about doing it that way ? i don't know if it's legal way? i don't know if it's legal under international labour law, but think like that but i think something like that situation, fact, i think it's situation, in fact, i think it's i don't think we're i don't know. i think we're saying fair, right? saying sounds fair, right? there's off where there's a trade off where we'll really after and, you really look after you and, you know, look after the general know, you look after the general pubuc know, you look after the general public it's a bit public later on. but it's a bit like with apprentices, right? it's well and good to say it's all well and good to say someday be boiler someday you'll be a boiler fitter electrician. you will fitter or electrician. you will six, £7,000 year. but if it's six, £7,000 a year. but if it's ten year old kid and then 4.50 an hour, it's quite hard because the apprentices absolutely the apprentices is absolutely right way right and there's no way comparable the of comparable to the amount of money could it. money that you could get it. it's it's about it's about saying it's about deferring isn't it? oh, deferring income, isn't it? oh, i five, ten years and i can wait five, ten years and then it'll be okay. but but not really waiting. years really caught waiting. ten years a is £37,000. that is a year. one is £37,000. that is not what apprentice in not what an apprentice in london. think it's going london. if they think it's going to be not far off the london waiting is what, like couple waiting is what, like a couple of something? you're of grand or something? you're still more than the still talking more than the national for national average salary for people country, i.e. the people in this country, i.e. the vast majority of people in this country less country are earning less than a yeah

country are earning less than a year. one junior doctor and within a few years they can get to the like they're a little bit less skilled. don't to be less skilled. i don't mean to be rude, so i think that think rude, so i think that i think no, that is a really no, i think that is a really good point. it's why i would good point. and it's why i would disagree with the idea disagree actually with the idea that give free that we should give free tuition. so doctor training is heavily you're heavily subsidised. you're absolutely come absolutely right. they do come out lot debt. they're out with a lot of debt. they're also subsidised by also massively subsidised by taxpayer us to do this training. so it's an argument, i think regardless whetherthey're regardless of whether they're making a contribution and they're training tie them in they're training to tie them in because people because taxpayers, those people who aren't going to have the same potential, the same earnings potential, the people who don't go to university, of university, half of the population for these population are funding for these people the sort of people to get the sort of training them the training that gets them into the top of earners in this top 2% of earners in this country within a years. so country within a few years. so actually, i you know , i actually, i think, you know, i agree we should increase for junior doctors , as we should for junior doctors, as we should for nurses. but i think we have to be sensible reasonable about be sensible and reasonable about the in. i'll the position they're in. i'll tell that's not tell you, someone that's not been view, my view been so old in his view, my view of paul, he says, fire the lot of paul, he says, fire the lot of about and then if anyone dies as a direct result of this strike charged them with manslaughter. if you fired

manslaughter. but if you fired them someone dies them paul and then someone dies because no staff, then because there's no staff, then wouldn't that would be wouldn't it be you that would be getting charged with manslaughter? the union? manslaughter? not the union? i think a flaw in your think there's a wee flaw in your plan there. well, i understand your sentiment. sam says i had a telephone consultation a telephone consultation with a consultant because consultant cancelled because of the strike. it's now been rearranged for october. this is ridiculous , val says. i think ridiculous, val says. i think it's absolutely appalling that these doctors need to go on strike. they basically, you're very much in support of those doctors , john says. they may doctors, john says. they may have a low starting salary, but they certainly make up for it later on. i like the role that they're comparing themselves to. yeah, . and by the way, yeah, the role. and by the way, the comparison they use, by the comparison that they use, by the comparison that they use, by the that did that has like the way that i did that has like an bonus on like an added bonus on it, like a mystery shopper bonus or something like that, using the comparison they i've comparison that they added. i've got question you , you got another question you, you guys it me in a guys can answer it for me in a couple minutes. not yet. the couple of minutes. not yet. the whole removing of the emergency care, i have to say , and i get a care, i have to say, and i get a boost for my position. but i've got thick skin. set mine's got thick skin. set it. mine's a do think it's right? don't

do you think it's right? don't tell now. tell me in tell me now. just tell me in a few minutes. ponder your answer. do you think it's right that this time they've removed the emergency so things emergency care so from things like emergency care so from things uke and emergency care so from things like and a&e emergency care so from things like all and a&e emergency care so from things like all that and a&e emergency care so from things like all that kind and a&e emergency care so from things like all that kind of and a&e emergency care so from things like all that kind of stuff, a&e and all that kind of stuff, that's question to both of that's my question to both of you. it is indeed my you. and it is indeed my question to you at home. what about this added of the about this added layer of the emergency removed emergency support being removed this time? do you agree with that also i'll tell you that or not? also i'll tell you what want ask about. what i want to ask you about. the eastern trade the middle eastern trade minister the britain minister has said the britain should and stop should put out and stop lecturing countries should put out and stop lecturitheir countries should put out and stop lecturitheir human»untries should put out and stop lecturitheir human rights; should put out and stop lecturitheir human rights if they about their human rights if they want to do a trade deal . are want to do a trade deal. are they right? oh, no .

hello there. this is dewbs& co and i'm michelle dewberry, keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside me, charlotte pickles is the director of the reform think tank and our ambassador is the founder of novara media. a very you will, your

very brief, if you will, your answer to that question. do you think it's right and fair that the are removing the doctors are removing emergency this time? no do emergency care this time? no do you know? no oh, that's surprising everybody . i'm going surprising everybody. i'm going to crassly categorise you as left and right. i know it's a little bit crass and probably a little bit crass and probably a little bit crass and probably a little bit inaccurate. these days, but what i found interesting is the way actually that people on differing sides of the political spectrum agree these days. what did you think, too, at i asked you too, at home when i asked you that , whether or that question, whether or not they're wrong in your they're right or wrong in your mind remove emergency care? mind to remove emergency care? i've got i've to i'm i've got to i've got to i'm going it triple hat, going to make it triple hat, because i think, you will because i think, as you will know i think that know anyway, that i think that it's that remove the it's wrong that they remove the emergency on these strikes. emergency care on these strikes. michael says my michael no, sorry. tony says my 26 son works in busy 26 year old son works in a busy london hospital, but thomas pays thousand pounds a month rent for a and all the rest a room pay tax and all the rest of plus 9% student debt of it, plus this 9% student debt he's with nothing for 1670 he's left with nothing for 1670 hour are under hour week. they are under appreciated. morale and appreciated. morale is low and no they leaving in no wonder they are leaving in that droves. my son, sadly, is one of them. after six years of

cambridge. cambridge as well, he says. what a waste. why did it go to your son? fascinated as he left country working left the country working somewhere he left somewhere else or as he left a professional. what? i'm intrigued. get back and search, tony. me know. richard, tony. let me know. richard, point out, he says this comparison between coffee shop workers and doctors is stupid. and you say , actually, it's very and you say, actually, it's very disrespectful to coffee shop workers. is it ? keep your workers. is it? keep your thoughts coming in. but anyway, i'm going to move on. britain do you reckon it should bust out basically and stop lecturing other countries about their human rights record? that is the recommendation of trade recommendation of the trade minister the united arab minister from the united arab emirates. he says a potential trail to a trade deal with this country depends britain country depends on britain separating politics from economics. in other words , pack economics. in other words, pack it in. get off your moral high ground and just do business. thank you very much. is that right ? no, i don't think so. so right? no, i don't think so. so i think it's really important if we're going to be a global nafion we're going to be a global nation , that we use the soft

nation, that we use the soft power that we have. and britain still has huge amounts of soft power that we are a very well respected nation around the world to call out where we think there are funding abuses of human rights and, you know, we saw because we have the spotlight on qatar for the football world cup , there was football world cup, there was a lot of focus there on on the fact that labourers had died building the stadiums. fact that labourers had died building the stadiums . and there building the stadiums. and there was a lot of abuse of workers rights. obviously you think about homosexuality, you think about homosexuality, you think about the treatment of women in some these countries. it's some of these countries. it's appalling. i britain appalling. and i think britain should be calling that out . i should be calling that out. i think the place i would have i suppose, a slight note of caution in is that actually strikes and trade deals and bringing other countries into the fold by being more interconnected in terms of economies can also , though, have economies can also, though, have a really positive impact on behaviours in other countries. so i don't think you should split them out firstly because i think we have a moral obligation to call out where where there is

terrible behaviour and abuse but actually i do think we should spit them out because you often get gains and progress from striking trade deals. so before on its own, i would just push on this. so you're saying. yes fine, call it out. but to what end? so i don't know. would you actually go as far as saying, right, i want to do this trade deal right, i want to do this trade deal, but your human rights behaviour one of behaviour is literally one of the this and the components of this deal and if don't fix it, i'm not if we don't fix it, i'm not doing business with you. so would go to that would you actually go to that level would you just sit level or would you just sit there and right, i've said there and go, right, i've said something and writing about human i'll human rights things, i'll take that. good about myself. that. i feel good about myself. move so this is move on. so i think this is really interesting because labour are talking about their trade platform at moment trade platform at the moment as being exactly that. being a tool to do exactly that. so, so essentially you would, you would do the trade negotiations and whatever you want to have is tariffs or free trade or whatever. it looks like the goods and services that you're trade on you're willing to trade on the bilateral , but you require bilateral basis, but you require that in certain standards around workers rights , you know,

workers rights, you know, employment laws, etc. which actually is not an unfamiliar thing in trade legislation because you want to try and create a sort of a level playing field. i honestly, michel, i don't know where the line should fall in that , and i guess fall in that, and i guess they'll be different cases with different countries depending on the state of the abuses in those countries . but i think there is countries. but i think there is an opportunity to use trade to open up economies, open up other countries, and to try and raise standards. but at what price , i standards. but at what price, i guess, the question. aaron, guess, is the question. aaron, your thoughts? he your thoughts? yeah, he specifically to, quote, specifically refers to, quote, toning down standard human and workers rights provisions in trade . and the trade deals. and i'm on the left. i would like workers rights in rights provisions in trade deals. interesting deals. and what was interesting actually with cars getting the world they have a system world cup is they have a system of it's the of there. it's called the catholicism. and wouldn't catholicism. and we wouldn't really with it. in really be acquainted with it. in europe, basically europe, you basically have a worker there. they're worker over there. they're indentured. you have that passport, so passport, they can't leave. so it's not the kind of typical employment we would employment contract we would have instance. have in europe, for instance. and interesting and one of the more interesting things the given being things about the given being given the world cup, which

confirms your point, was actually or two before actually a year or two before they host the event, they finally host the event, they finally host the event, they rid catholicism they got rid of the catholicism . so think that's actually an . so i think that's actually an example trade and better example of trade and better human and workers rights being handin human and workers rights being hand in hand with one another. and so he's kind of i would disagree with him. i would, however , also say there's however, also say there's a difference between saying we want a trade deal, but, you know, you can't exploit child laboun know, you can't exploit child labour. right. i think most people said it's perfectly sensible. there's a difference between that and the more sort of celebrity style calling everywhere out , finger pointing. everywhere out, finger pointing. i don't think it is particularly useful in general, but i think, you know, concrete, legislative kind of demands around labour rights, labour laws, human rights, labour laws, human rights in a trade trade agreement. i mean, it's already status quo really . i think it's status quo really. i think it's quite sensible. one of the things i know it's not trade related, but it is related to human rights, etc. when there was the qatar world cup , it did was the qatar world cup, it did make me laugh actually seeing people tie themselves in knots that made out, oh, you know, i'm such a virtuous pass and i am

going to tell qatar and all the rest it. exactly what i rest of it. exactly what i think. simultaneously, the i'm definitely going to take a fortune for to qatar. i'm fortune for going to qatar. i'm definitely to work the definitely going to work for the qatari state platform . and qatari state media platform. and then actually comes that then when it actually comes that i actually truly if you really cared about the goings on down your tools and take a stand because as you at the because as you saw at the weekend, everyone apparently was so been right so into everything been right that the all down tools for gary lineker for what he wants to say on twitter but yet they didn't down tools and solidarity and all the rest of it if they felt so strongly about the so—called abuses, etc, over in qatar. so i always find it quite interesting when very much to when people claim very much to have all of these kind of strong virtue, and then someone comes along and wears a five pounder onto them and suddenly they change what do you change their minds. what do you think of get in think to all of it? get in touch, goodness sakes, as touch, for goodness sakes, as alan, one has to start somewhere when you start your job, you cannot expect to earn the stock of money on day one. they're like a set of spoilt little

brats. oh, goodness me. i think it's you guys are mixed at the moment. i have to say, when it comes to the doctors and whether or not you support them or not, i absolutely want them to get a pay i absolutely want them to get a pay rise rises . i absolutely want them to get a pay rise rises. i i absolutely want them to get a pay rise rises . i want i don't pay rise rises. i want i don't want anyone to struggle. but 35, honestly , i think i'm in a bit honestly, i think i'm in a bit of a laugh, david says. michel, i am really enjoying jobs and cuts and i want a great panel. that's what we like to hear. is that right ? suella braverman did that right? suella braverman did you see her earlier on, by the way, in the comments? she was not pulling any punches, was she, she was defending that she, when she was defending that migrant bill migrant illegal migrant bill anyway, been talking to anyway, she has been talking to the again, saying that the police again, saying that they free they should be protecting free speech and ordering them to stop recording the involved in recording the names involved in so—called non crime hate incidents. laughable. give me your thoughts .

hello, i'm michelle dewberry , hello, i'm michelle dewberry, keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside michelle at pickles is the director of the reform think tank and our boustani founder of boustani is the founder of novara media. david has in touch saying the striking junior doctors are laying themselves open to charges of manslaughter. i was just discussing that briefly in the break. you don't think that would be the case? shut up. no, because the requirement is to get cover from other types of health professionals and you have a right to strike. so i. i mean , i right to strike. so i. i mean, i don't know the ins and outs of the legal system around striking, but i'd be very surprised if that was possible. well, i'll give you a little insight into my mind's. i've given people strict instructions in life that if i do die and in my life that if i do die and actually when there's an inquest or whatever it, it's and it or whatever into it, it's and it turns that could have been turns out that i could have been protected and saved i've got protected and saved if i've got help and protection, etc. properly and promptly but i didn't because of the strikes. i've promised i've met people promised actually would look actually that they would look into of that into the ramifications of that and or not legal and whether or not the legal opportunities there because i

just how is it right if you pay your taxes you expect a level of service . you operate in good service. you operate in good faith that you live in an environment with a national health service that is not there for you in your hour of need. maybe i'm being deluded and i'm sure you what? hesitate to tell me if you think i am home secretary suella braverman has ordered police to protect ordered the police to protect free speech and stop recording the names of people involved in so—called crime here so—called non crime here incidents. even that sentence , incidents. even that sentence, even that label, just sounds absolutely pathetic. what is it? non—core crime. hate incidents . non—core crime. hate incidents. well, i know what it is . but why well, i know what it is. but why is it even a thing ? the case she is it even a thing? the case she mentioned, by the way, is one aspect about frequently here, the 14 year old little boy, the autistic boy in wakefield , who autistic boy in wakefield, who has name added to police has had his name added to police files, apparently scuffing files, apparently for scuffing a copy of the koran. i always ponden copy of the koran. i always ponder, by the way, i'd love to know if the people that were threatening kill issue in threatening to kill issue in deference to said 14 year old child . i wonder what's happened child. i wonder what's happened to their police records . i

to their police records. i wonder if they're to have a little blot on that. i'd be fascinated know the answer to fascinated to know the answer to that. anyway that that. anyway she says that people perfectly entitled to people are perfectly entitled to say politics, say things about politics, gender that other gender and religion that other people find offensive. people may find offensive. that sounds to me. i and people may find offensive. that souragree? to me. i and people may find offensive. that souragree? yes, to me. i and people may find offensive. that souragree? yes, i'm to me. i and people may find offensive. that souragree? yes, i'm i'm:o me. i and people may find offensive. that souragree? yes, i'm i'm not e. i and people may find offensive. that souragree? yes, i'm i'm not i'm and you agree? yes, i'm i'm not i'm not completely au fait with the legislation. but on the surface level, like you say a non crime hate instance sounds quite strange. father's iranian . i strange. my father's iranian. i have mixed heritage. if some somebody says something a little bit unsavoury about that. obviously i don't like them. i'm i think they're a bad person . i think they're a bad person. what i want the police to waste their time on them. if it didn't have a particularly big impact on my life or my ability to earn money or go about my business, not particularly. so i rely on course there's a line. well, that's line. the point that's the line. well, the point is you have to criminalise is that you have to criminalise what's what's what's criminal and then what's not know, let not criminal. you know, let people go about their business. the here of a non the whole point here of a non crime hate incident by definition of those four words to indicate the police shouldn't be and one of be involved, frankly. and one of the that i utterly

the things that i find utterly pathetic about this hate pathetic about all this hate crime stuff you don't even need crime stuff, you don't even need to be the perceived victim to be able to push for this hate crime to be recorded. so i don't know, someone could say something awful about you, charlotte. i wouldn't be the first i'd want to. well can't say anything. i don't know. but i could be offended on your behalf. and i could just presume , assume that could just presume, assume that the you know, the inclination of that person, the intention of that person, the intention of that person, the intention of that person was x, y and z . i that person was x, y and z. i think it's just ludicrous and i think it's just ludicrous and i think that's where suella braverman the home secretary, used this phrase. it's sort of orwellian. and i think that's it is the willies. orwellian. and i think that's it is the willies . and part of it is the willies. and part of it is the willies. and part of it is sort of trying to assume someone's intent shown in the way they were thinking about something and then being offended, just the whole thing. i mean, you said it the star of the show, michelle, that is it gives you or does it feel like the world's going slightly mad? and this is a great example for me it does feel like me of where it does feel like the going slightly mad. the world's going slightly mad. i said it, but but

i mean, nobody said it, but but the should be focusing on the police should be focusing on crime the very least on crime or the very least on incidents involving really vulnerable people. you know , vulnerable people. you know, they do a lot around missing people or missing children that go missing from care homes or, you know , people are you know, people who are threatening suicide or threatening to commit suicide or that of thing. that's that kind of thing. that's that's the crime type that's the only non crime type of activity that the police should be involved in. and even that it would be better if there are other services. so the idea that they would be wasting their time following up on stuff that is not criminal and is kind of a, you know, someone has got offended i mean, we were offended by i mean, we were talking before about the sorts of comments that we get on social or our. and you social media or or our. and you gave example of, know, gave the example of, you know, so a comment to you and so makes a comment to you and you know, if we all reported those and said we thought they were based on hate, then the police would be nothing police would be doing nothing else at all. i else with that time at all. i think it's ludicrous, you think it's ludicrous, but, you know, think we tiptoeing into know, i think we tiptoeing into an environment where we're just going to make of this. so going to make all of this. so much worse. because when you look at the young and how they

educate a trend and all the rest, so go to schools, you rest, so you go to schools, you go to universities, have go to universities, you have this now, i don't this whole notion now, i don't know, three a race. know, three kids have a race. one of them was, whoa, you better one's a better not say that one's a winner, because then the other two like losers. two might feel like losers. so you a trying medal you give them all a trying medal and rest of you have and the rest of it, you have safe spaces for people. you have trigger words everything. trigger words for everything. i think that kind of behaviour is what setting this society up what is setting this society up for ludicrous like people for ludicrous things like people crying and to the police crying and going to the police because feel offended and because they feel offended and wanting criminalised. wanting that to be criminalised. am well, they're both. am i wrong? well, they're both. they're both phenomenon. they both mean, a way, both exist. i mean, in a way, i'd this is more insidious i'd say this is more insidious because already the because it's already in the statute, but it's a law it's statute, but it's a law and it's being . well the police are being. well the police are wasting their time on these kinds of things. so, for instance, the story of, the 15 year old child i worked on, which was a child with autism, who's the year old and who's got the 13 year old and was 14. my apologies. he's got the koran. you know, we talk about because obviously social media immediate. all media is so immediate. we all have smartphones, we're have our smartphones, we're all on wow, on twitter. so. yeah, wow, this is a new way of is crazy. a whole new way of

doing things. and i think there's some truth to that. but there's some truth to that. but the reality of a young in the reality of a young boy in wakefield his life wakefield is having his life destroy upside down destroy boy turned upside down because scuffing i because of scuffing a koran. i mean, it's extraordinary. what i would is, is a big point of would say is, is a big point of departure from what you know and a conservative would say is we need a right freedom of need a right to freedom of speech this country. and speech in this country. and that's as many on the that's what i, as so many on the left, would like, a written constitution to know constitution people need to know their i, i find it their rights. and i, i find it strange personally, though, in this right this country on the right amongst conservatives, freedom speech is a big cause and justifiably so. but they don't want to enshrine in law, including suella braverman , if including suella braverman, if you about it. so much you care about it. so much enshrined in law. and i think that's something the americans really get. right. well, this is interesting, because it almost leaves a nice leaves me nicely. it was a nice little into gary little segway into the gary lineker thing . this 14 year old lineker thing. this 14 year old boy in wakefield. by the way, i'm not done with that yet because were rumours , but because there were rumours, but that apparently has that this child apparently has had to leave his home. this is what's been rumoured and it's been reported by a couple, the publications. and if indeed that

is true, then that is nothing short of a national disgrace . so short of a national disgrace. so i'm trying to get to the bottom of that because surely that cannot just where the story cannot just be where the story ends this child gets issues ends that this child gets issues with all of threats , has with all manner of threats, has to go off and, you know, dramatically change life . dramatically change his life. and people shrug their and people just shrug their shoulders and go, well, shoulders and go, oh, well, let's talk about gary lineker instead. that's completely unacceptable. it shouldn't be permissible in this country. so i will try and get to the bottom of that and we will revisit that. i can promise you that on another day, but it's the gary lineker thing. segwit lineker thing. you've segwit nicely i'll ask you nicely into it. so i'll ask you this have you seen the this at home. have you seen the news? and it was an absolute debacle, wasn't it? over the weekend, sitting weekend, everyone sitting down and solidarity and microphones in solidarity with it all just with lineker. it was all just basically seems to be for nothing now because they are going back on the air this weekend, almost as though nothing's happened or an investigation report and investigation or report and recommendations be recommendations will be conducted . it's a look at the conducted. it's a look at the social media policy of the bbc, which will cost you a lot of taxpayers an absolute fortune. so me your what

so give me your thoughts. what do you make to it all? please tell me .

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside to michelle pickles is the director of the reform think tank and evan bustani is the founder of novara media . lots of founder of novara media. lots of you guys getting in contact tonight . i you guys getting in contact tonight. i would that you're tonight. i would say that you're quite split, actually on the junior doctors walking out. i do want to know when, you know, when you say that they should be paid fairly, what is fair to you? because obviously they want to be paid 50% more to get their pay to be paid 50% more to get their pay back in line with 2008. so what they're saying , basically, what they're saying, basically, they want their pay reinstated back to that point because since then they say it's been in decline for from when you compare it to the rpi levels in this country, what do you make to that anyway ? lineker we had

to that anyway? lineker we had a little segway into lineker earlier on from erin , which earlier on from erin, which brought me nicely on that topic because of course we went into this depth on when it this in depth on friday when it was kind of kicking off. you was all kind of kicking off. you saw weekend which had kind saw the weekend which had kind of like quiet sports, for want of like quiet sports, for want of a phrase , because of a better phrase, because everyone down the microphones in solidarity it all. but it solidarity say it all. but it seems was complete waste of seems i was complete waste of time they'll be time because they'll be reinstated weekend and on reinstated at the weekend and on we a bit of we go. but with a bit of a review and recommendations into social policies , what social media policies, what do you to all in you make to it all in particular, this free speech angle ? well, it's somewhat angle? well, it's somewhat different with the bbc, obviously. of course, it has. it has a commitment to impartial ality. i think the bottom line here is that tim davie, who's the director general of the bbc, the director general of the bbc, the ceo, i think he should resign because he introduced these in 2020. and these guidelines in 2020. and these guidelines in 2020. and the fundamental problem here was ambiguity . and i think what ambiguity. and i think what happenedis ambiguity. and i think what happened is they wanted to treat what gary lineker had written , a what gary lineker had written, a breach of contract, but it wasn't because the guidelines are ambiguous. wasn't because the guidelines are ambiguous . and i think are so ambiguous. and i think when will director

when you will the director general, you've written those guidelines up scratch and guidelines up to scratch and then you have to basically put a stake through your coverage of the national sport a whole weekend. i think that's your responsibility and you should go . if his predecessor had written the guidelines and he said, look, they just don't work , i look, they just don't work, i wouldn't on him, wouldn't say it's on him, but i think it's on him. and i think they were sufficiently ambiguous for frankly, to for gary lineker, frankly, to get what he said. now get away with what he said. now we talk whether or not we can talk about whether or not he said it. the he should have said it. the reason why he's back in is because he hasn't breached his contract. that's tim contract. and that's on tim davie. see, he acknowledges tim davie. see, he acknowledges tim davie statement, he davie in his statement, he actually acknowledges he goes on about difficult whole about how difficult the whole penod about how difficult the whole period i mean, honestly, period was. i mean, honestly, i don't to be rude or don't mean to be rude or anything, but if you find i'm not going to to work in not going to go to work in solidarity with my mate or he, i don't like what he said. if you find that difficult period, find that a difficult period, i do need to get out do think you need to get out there experience life a bit there and experience life a bit more. anyway, more. but anyway, notwithstanding, his notwithstanding, that's his words, goes on words, not mine. he goes on about much more difficult about how much more difficult penod about how much more difficult period and he says the period it was, and he says the potential caused potential confusion in caused by the areas off the bbc

the grey areas off the bbc social guidance that was social media guidance that was introduced in 2020 is recognised. to point, he recognised. so to your point, he pretty does acknowledge pretty much does acknowledge that is the that that grey areas is the word that he specifically that he specifically used in that policy, that mean that policy, but does that mean that he should job for that? he should lose his job for that? no.and he should lose his job for that? no. and i'm always i mean , there no. and i'm always i mean, there are clearly some cases where people should resign. and, people should just resign. and, you very clear cut. you know, that's very clear cut. i don't that's one of i don't think that's one of these. and i'm always uncomfortable the of, uncomfortable with the sort of, you immediate response you know, an immediate response that should go that says somebody should go because of, you know, a mistake that made. all make that was made. we all make mistakes. know, he's come mistakes. you know, he's come out said a grey area. out and said it's a grey area. yes he should have done better yes he should have done a better job. absolutely think job. absolutely i think the whole just an whole thing is just been an absolute know, absolute farce. and, you know, on the impartiality point, i'm a, you know , i am a believer in a, you know, i am a believer in free speech and. i don't think that gary lineker should have you know, i think what he said was appalling. i think, you know, the comparison between the illegal migration bill and hitler is unacceptable. but he but it was i didn't mention hitler. i mentioned not he said in 1930 that germany i mean, who

was in power then. so but so i think what he said was stupid and offensive and, you know, just just it's just a really ridiculous thing to say. but do i think that should mean that he was taken off air? you know, he's not reporting the news. he's not commenting on current affairs capacity the affairs in his capacity in the bbc. a sports presenter if bbc. he's a sports presenter if he wants to say a stupid thing, then say a stupid thing and let people that, said people see that, he said essentially it essentially what he said, it didn't offend me. but i think frankly that you're the frankly that if you're on the bbc and you're paid £1.5 million a licence fee payer, a year by the licence fee payer, you be criticising the you shouldn't be criticising the government because tory voters who support policies who might support those policies are paying your wages. and i think both ways. you think that goes both ways. you know, alan sugar . you know, that was alan sugar. you know, that was alan sugar. you know, familiar that know, you're familiar that he was own he was was your own boss. he was criticising the criticising jeremy corbyn the day before the 2017 general action. that's clearly a political intervention, but it's also up. he shouldn't be doing ehhen also up. he shouldn't be doing either. yeah, but that was also before the 2020 new politics came out. yes, yes, yes, yes. so you say that lineker shouldn't be criticising the government because lot of voters because a lot of those voters pay because a lot of those voters pay is he allowed pay his fees. so is he allowed to praise them? i i think he has

a great job. gets to talk a great job. he gets to talk about football all you about football all day, you know, i he clearly has know, and i think he clearly has passionately about these issues. i if you do that, i think, i think if you do that, i think, you he could go work for you know, he could go work for bt can work for cbs or bt or he can work for cbs or ignore for amazon and he ignore work for amazon and he can earn a great deal of money and he can talk about it. i frankly feel the bbc needs frankly feel that the bbc needs to rigorously impartial on to be rigorously impartial on this, was against tim this, but it was against the tim davie thing. you said it's a farce. tim davie introduced these changes . then suspended these changes. he then suspended these changes. he then suspended the frankly because he the guy. frankly because he thought breached the mores thought he'd breached the mores he it was the he had. yeah, it was it was the to introduce. i just think it was badly . he to introduce. i just think it was badly. he must was handled badly. but he must have was doing was have known what he was doing was going lead outcome. going to lead to this outcome. surely was completely surely it was completely inexplicable. lloyd lloyd completely you when completely agrees with you when he i was absolutely right. he said i was absolutely right. sarah davis should be sacked, david much david said, thank you very much for me a laugh, stating for giving me a laugh, stating that you reckon the bbc are impartial. ha ha. yes, course impartial. ha ha. yes, of course they not lots of they are, michelle. not lots of you . someone else saying, you. someone else saying, michelle, will you pack it in? talking about lineker you sound like a broken record . i'll tell like a broken record. i'll tell you what. i'll talk about them

very quickly, look at very quickly, because look at time, when you're time, it flies when you're having fun. i'm talking about muffins. goings on, muffins. strange goings on, pamphlets being issued. tinashe is getting bake is getting teachers to bake muffins with different fruit in it to relate the kids that is it to relate to the kids that is a story for another day because it your eyebrows. it will raise your eyebrows. that for sure. but for that is for sure. but for tonight. charlotte and aron, thank you very much for your wonderful company and thank you guys for home yours as well. guys at for home yours as well. fleur bye. tonight hasn't always . dr. doctors. nurses should be free uk citizens, but they should have to stay for a minimum of ten years in the nhs , says paul . oh well, michelle, , says paul. oh well, michelle, patients will wear, i'm sure, and philip, i don't think they will. that's all i've got time for, nigel. up next, hello and welcome to your evening weather with me , luke miall. now, as we with me, luke miall. now, as we head through this evening, it is going to turn colder across the united kingdom. we've got rain heading with frost, heading southwards with frost, ice and snow to follow. and that's down to this cold front. you can see we've had tightly

packed ice was today that's brought a lot strong wind brought a lot of strong wind around across the country. but as that front slips its way as that cold front slips its way to the south—east you can see the colder air digging in behind snow and ice warnings in force as we through tonight and as we head through tonight and into showers will into tomorrow. showers will affect northern and western areas , but it's this band of areas, but it's this band of rain, sleet and snow that pushes its way southwards, giving snow up over the higher grounds and temperatures dropping in its wake . subzero across the north wake. subzero across the north with widespread frost and ice . with widespread frost and ice. so a very cold start to the day here. we'll continue to see those wintry showers feeding in, falling as snow to fairly low levels across the far north. but generally, as we into northern england, northern and north wales, it's mostly above 1 to 200 metres. but for the south through tuesday a different feeling day, a lot more in the way of sunshine around. still quite a keen breeze, but this time in from the northwest, which make it feel somewhat which will make it feel somewhat colder done today colder than it has done today through tuesday evening. then we continue see the rains, sleet continue to see the rains, sleet and trekking south

and snow trekking its way south eastwards cold. add in eastwards. very cold. add in behind the blue, really exploding on the map . it's exploding on the map. it's turning much colder with a frost. as we start wednesday morning, temperatures typically in our towns and cities falling below freezing. but out in the countryside , it will be a lot countryside, it will be a lot colder than this, especially where there's remaining snow cover on the ground through wednesday morning. then it's a bright and sunny start for many northern and eastern parts of the uk. but sky is clouding over to the west and heavy rain pushing in soon after with potential for some snow on. it's fairly leading edge, staying unsettled through the rest of the week, but milder again by friday. but .

by the bbc totally capitulates to gary lineker will ask and debates night is the bbc now beyond hope a new book out from professor matthew goodwin that shows that westminster is even further away from england than it was before the brexit referendum. lee anderson comes in with his latest campaign , an in with his latest campaign, an idea that we should teach kids at school about suicide . maybe at school about suicide. maybe that would stop a few young people taking their lives. and joining me on talking pints, ali maraj , conservative political maraj, conservative political activist and the founder of something called the prize will find out what that's all about, all of that in a couple of minutes. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst