for making false rape allegations. the 22 year old reckons that she'd been trafficked by an asian grooming gang , but she trafficked by an asian grooming gang, but she also trafficked by an asian grooming gang , but she also alleged rapes gang, but she also alleged rapes by a number of white men to her, lies were spread. all around the world on social media bots. the men also have their names published in the press. once they were arrested and charged , they were arrested and charged, should that end.7 should they were arrested and charged, should that end? should those accused of rape be entitled to anonymity until they are convicted ? and do you know what convicted? and do you know what sharon's sharon thing is? i almost said be careful how you say that. but anyway, it's when you take and post pictures of your children on social media

and get this, i got a new word for you over sharon. say, careful again, because sometimes parents are a little bit too fond of sticking their kids images on to their social media. so now in france, they're proposing a law that would force parents to seek child's consent before publishing photos, making it a parental duty to uphold that child's online privacy . is that child's online privacy. is that child's online privacy. is that the way forward? should we adopt it in this country and a security guard open stuff ? it in security guard open stuff? it in the west midlands is successfully sued his employers for disability discrimination. right. get this the guy's got dyslexia and asperger syndrome and said that his employer is sort of shown some leeway and allowed him to show up closest . allowed him to show up closest. only 15, 20 minutes live. why well, because his conditions make him dislike anais and his dyslexia apparently meant that he couldn't properly read his alarm clock . the biggest part he couldn't properly read his alarm clock. the biggest part in all of this is that the judge actually agreed with him and ruled in his favour. actually agreed with him and ruled in his favour . goodness

ruled in his favour. goodness me. well, i'm all of that too concerned. i am more from dewbs & britain's best debate show & co britain's best debate show . with me michelle dewberry . yes . with me michelle dewberry. yes we do indeed love a little bit of debating here on dewbs & co of debating here on dewbs& co and tonight we've got guests who are absolute expert satellites. in addition to all of the above, we'll also be looking at eco anxiety. what is that i hear you say? well, it's all of the psychological distress , the psychological distress, the prospects of the world ending due to climate change. apparently, this is just one of a litany of things that are making left wing people miserable. are you one of them? do you despair with the state of the nation? does it make you down? have you had anti—depressant dished out to you perhaps to help you deal with it all? get in touch with us on and everything else us on that and everything else tonight. you can reach me as per usual on gbviews@gbnews.uk k all twitter if that's your thing at gb news. but first, before we

get into all of that, let's bnng get into all of that, let's bring ourselves up to speed, shall we, with tonight's latest news headlines with a legend thatis news headlines with a legend that is middlehurst. that is polly middlehurst. michel, thank you. and good evening to you. the top stories just after 6:00. as you've been heanng just after 6:00. as you've been hearing , a just after 6:00. as you've been hearing, a woman has just after 6:00. as you've been hearing , a woman has been hearing, a woman has been sentenced to eight and a half years in prison for perverting the course of justice after falsely accused a number of men of rape . 22 year old eleanor of rape. 22 year old eleanor williams had also created a facebook post alleging she'd been the victim of an asian grooming gang . preston crown grooming gang. preston crown court heard how three of the men she'd falsely accused of rape had attempted to take their own lives and at the time of her accusations , there were massive accusations, there were massive protests in her home town of barrow in furness in cumbria, with some businesses forced to close . williams will serve half close. williams will serve half the sentence in prison. jordan trinko, one of alan's victims who was one of the men wrongly

accused of rape, says he doesn't think her sentence is long enough. i think she has any remorse. i looked back a few times while the judge was speaking and there was just no remorse shown . well, try and remorse shown. so, well, try and do my life over it. i've had a bond with my son. i've not been able to leave the house, have not been able to go, were you know. so it's just now i know she's to live for a bit she's got to live for a bit longer. it'sjust she's got to live for a bit longer. it's just relief. she's got to live for a bit longer. it'sjust relief. i she's got to live for a bit longer. it's just relief. i wish it was a sentence. well, it was a longer sentence. well, another news today the chancellor looking chancellor is looking at increased the lifetime pension allowance in an attempt to reverse the current trend of going for early retirement. it's understood jeremy hunt is considering allowing individual schools to put more money into their pension pot before they're taxed. the current lifetime allowance stands at just over £1,000,000, with savers incurring tax after the personal threshold has been exceeded. the measures are expected to be unveiled in tomorrow's budget as the chancellor looks to increase britain's workforce to help stimulate the economy . we'll stimulate the economy. we'll have full details of that. here

on gb news. now, within the last houn on gb news. now, within the last hour, the us military says a russian fighter jet has collided with a us drone over the black sea, forcing the us to bring down its unmanned aircraft. it says the us reaper drone was on a routine surveillance mission in internet journal airspace when to russian jets tried to intercept it. according to the us military , the incident us military, the incident resulted in the complete loss of the us drone. the white house said it thinks it was unsafe and professor unal and reckless . now professor unal and reckless. now a number of dry cough medicines are being recalled from pharmacies today over safety concerns . the medicines and concerns. the medicines and health care regulator has called for treatments containing the cough suppressant fall codeine to be pulled from the shelves as a precaution. health experts are warning it could cause a severe allergic reaction in some people having general anaesthesia for surgery . pharmacies have been surgery. pharmacies have been told to stop supplying the

product immediately. told to stop supplying the product immediately . better. the product immediately. better. the owner of facebook has said it's going to cut 10,000 jobs this yeah going to cut 10,000 jobs this year. the company's second round of mass layoffs comes as job vacancies in the uk have fallen for the eighth month in a row as firms hold off from recruiting due to perceived uncertainties about the economy. the office for national statistics has also found the rate of uk unemployment has remained unchanged at 3.7% in the three months to january. it said real pay months to january. it said real pay continues though to fall, despite a drop in the inflation rate . a serving pcso who has rate. a serving pcso who has been sentenced to 12 months community service for sexually assaulting a female colleague. edward, a neighbour , assaulted edward, a neighbour, assaulted his fellow officer in a police station gym in 2020. the court heard how mr. neighbour hugged and kissed the neck of the victim without her consent. he

remains suspended from police duty . five members of an duty. five members of an organised criminal group have been convicted of smuggling migrants into the uk in the back of a refrigerated lorry through portsmouth. the truck, which was being driven by a romanian and was carrying at least three people all from iraq who'd been brought into the country illegally . the brought into the country illegally. the gang's brought into the country illegally . the gang's activities illegally. the gang's activities were uncovered following a four year investing ation by the national crime agency that will be sentenced in april . be sentenced in april. controversial social media personality andrew tate has had his bail request denied by a court in romania. tate and his brother tristan are being held over alleged sex trafficking in the country, which is under criminal investigation. it now means he'll remain in custody until at least march the 29th. the pair were taken into custody in december, but haven't yet been formally charged . and been formally charged. and lastly , the queen consort met lastly, the queen consort met a

young ballet dancer today who is set to star in a new disney doc entry. camilla met antony mardy when she visited elma ballet school in birmingham . the 13 school in birmingham. the 13 year old nigerian received a scholarship from the school after a video of him pirouetting in the rain went viral in 2020. now disney is making a document about him, the queen consort, which the young star. good luck . that's all for the next time, will see you with seven. until then. michelle's back . then. michelle's back. thanks for that, polly. well, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight, alongside me, my panel 7:00 tonight, alongside me, my panel, laurie laban is a policy researcher and toby young is the director of the free speech union. hello, everybody . nigel union. hello, everybody. nigel has been in touch. they must show the alarm clock story you're discussing tonight is

complete nonsense . get a grip . complete nonsense. get a grip. well, i've got news for you. it's not complete nonsense, is there? also, i wouldn't be discussing it. is the outcome of an employment tribunal. let's says the people would deselect cash should not be forced or forced to turn up to work on time . this is after a security time. this is after a security guard basically won his case about discrimination because his boss expected him to be on time when his shift was due to commence . so not nonsense, commence. so not nonsense, nigel. i'll give you an actual ruling . what do you make to ruling. what do you make to that? is that ruling comments sense? do you have dyslexia ? sense? do you have dyslexia? doesit sense? do you have dyslexia? does it affect your ability to turn up on time ? and if it does, turn up on time? and if it does, does that expand to things like if you want to go to a cinema and watch a movie, do you miss the start of your movie or does it just happen to a care when it's about your work? i don't know either of a dyslexic. give me thoughts on all of that me your thoughts on all of that in way. the email in the usual way. the email address is on the screen. gbviews@gbnews.uk tweet gbviews@gbnews.uk at uk or tweet me at news now. big story

me at jb news now. big story that's caught certainly my eye tonight on the eye of many. it's a very worrying story, actually. you might be familiar with it. it's a lady, ellie williams hashtag for ellie was the thing that was going around social media. she posted a picture back in 2020, basically of a face all smashed up with a hammer. she did this big post about how basically she'd been trafficked by an asian grooming gang. she'd been raped and all the rest of it. it was quite horrific, really. and a lot of people cottoned on to it, shared it far, and wide. anyway, she turns out, is a fantasist and a liar. and today she's been jailed for eight and a half years . these eight and a half years. these guys, they were both white and asian heritage. they were at their lives. absolutely ruined. they accused them of attempting to take their own lives. they've got their businesses destroyed. one of the guys, a muslim guy, was chased around, had alcohol poured over him. people had rapists and all the rest of it

spread on their home. it was awful for those people. and by the way, a bigger lesson for everybody when you see these kind cases, which all of us kind of cases, which all of us perhaps would have an emotional connection a big, massive connection with a big, massive reminder for us all to press pause and look see whether or pause and look to see whether or not it's genuine before share not it's genuine before we share it. but pack in that aspect for a second. what do you think of the fact that these guys had their names kind of publicly displayed when granted anonymity ? and it turns out it was all a lie? toby i think it does make a very strong case for keeping the names of the accused in rape cases anonymous until the cases concluded. i mean, it's absolutely horrendous what happened to these three guys. and, you know , this this woman and, you know, this this woman at the centre of this case has now been convicted for having falsified the evidence made false allegations. so they clearly aren't guilty . and yet clearly aren't guilty. and yet their lives were absolutely ruined. three these three men each tried to commit suicide.

one had to be sectioned , put one had to be sectioned, put into a mental hospital against his will to stop him from taking his will to stop him from taking his own life. and it does it does.i his own life. and it does it does . i think his own life. and it does it does. i think it makes a really powerful case for keeping the names of the accused in rape cases anonymous until the conclusion of the trial. but let me just play devil's advocate with you before i bring laurie in. what about what let's just say somebody is the wrong and they have done things that they have done the things that they're of. the is they're accused of. the name is kept anonymous. goes to the kept anonymous. it goes to the police aware of and then police aware of it. and then they there's not they decide that there's not enough to prosecute enough evidence to prosecute their . whereas actually, if their ends. whereas actually, if there was a track record of this person's form, they've done it multiple times . you stick them multiple times. you stick them in the newspaper or the people 90, in the newspaper or the people go, yeah, it's him. he did it to me to all of a sudden you do have a case and then the person gets is just as as he gets a conviction and he goes to prison. what about that? well, can't the police in the course of investigating someone accused of investigating someone accused of other people of rape contact the other people he's involved with? his he's been involved with? ask his colleagues , his school

colleagues at work, his school friends and his university mates if there's any other evidence of this of behaviour. there's this kind of behaviour. there's a of a pattern of this kind of behaviour. do they really have to the person photograph to stick the person photograph in name them in the newspaper and name them and they live just in and say where they live just in order a gun of evidence order to keep a gun of evidence to prosecute? we have a guise to prosecute? so we have a guise of and he's going out of wrong'un and he's going out searching women or whatever searching for women or whatever at and doing at the weekend and is doing whatever. go to that whatever. if you can go to that boss and say to them, hi there, boss. you know this dave fella ? boss. you know this dave fella? did you think he was a rapist? i mean, how is the boss going to know? he's going to say no. i thought it was a stand up guy who turned up for work, did his job and the rest of it. job and all the rest of it. you're not going to get a true character reflection by asking his work colleagues. well if you if that, you know, he if you said that, you know, he is he's to be put on is he's going to be put on trial, accused of rape. i'm going to you his name in going to tell you his name in confidence. you of any confidence. do you know of any other instance? is any similar episodes he might have been involved? think police involved? i think the police could do could could legitimately do that. to rely on that. they don't have to rely on other people coming forward in order prosecution order to build the prosecution case. presumably they've case. i mean, presumably they've

got good case in the got a pretty good case in the first place without relying not to coming forward. if the to be coming forward. if the person actually been put on person has actually been put on trial of but trial and accused of rape. but oft rape is one of the most oft and rape is one of the most difficult crimes to prove because you me and whoever because you know, me and whoever you i'll say he did this. you know, i'll say he did this. he'll say he wouldn't. more often than not, there's just me and present and it's my word and him present and it's my word against so actually it's against his. so actually it's not easy to prove , is it? not always easy to prove, is it? laurie and i think in this, laurie no, and i think in this, this a particularly extreme this is a particularly extreme case that looking at here, case that we're looking at here, and i think it's quite attractive maybe to think the sort of blank it's anonymity on people who've been accused would be a good idea, may have helped in this case. in general, though , it could present worrying dynamics if we did have that anonymity. i think is you're sort of inferring that we've got previous of this in this country. in the seventies, there was a brief period where there was a brief period where there was anonymity for the accused, and that repealed partly and that was repealed partly because of some of the dynamics you described. so if you're in a situation where information is

then ends up being publicly available about someone who's been accused, it could help those who may have also suffered those who may have also suffered those crimes come forward . an those crimes come forward. an extreme version of that is the power dynamics with jemmy, savile and the increasing pubuchy savile and the increasing publicity around that case led more victims to come forward and actually be able to share and get support for what's been done to them. we are in a situation in the uk where i think that we should be thinking kind of in the other direction to this. we don't have enough support for victims the year two december victims in the year two december 20, 21. so basically across the year 2021, there were 67,125 rape offences registered and only about . 2400 prosecutions only about. 2400 prosecutions were made. that's1.3% only about. 2400 prosecutions were made. that's 1.3% resulted were made. that's1.3% resulted in charges or summons compared to a average of about 7.1% for the crimes. so there's a real lottery when it comes to getting convictions and stuff for rape in this country. so for me, this is more of a question of what we

can do, support some of those victims. yeah, see, the problem is see both sides of this is i can see both sides of this right. i've a little boy is right. i've got a little boy is only a child so this is age doesn't apply to him yet. but fast forward a few years i wouldn't one i don't know some scale friend or whatever someone with of a dubious agenda with a bit of a dubious agenda to to name and share my to be able to name and share my son and he did this to me. son and say he did this to me. and profile is and then and opie's profile is and then you tarred with brush you get tarred with that brush and of the impacts that and all of the impacts that we've been discussing. we've just been discussing. but on side, if, for on the flip side, if, for example, i had been raped and i'm absolutely that i'm casting absolutely sure that he'd it was my word he'd done it, but it was my word against his and it all fell down and i wouldn't want him to get off free because there was off scot free because there was no evidence. point about no evidence. your point about the by the way, the workplace by the way, maybe you might point because you might have a point because we all be familiar with we will all be familiar with that cousins that that copper when cousins that apparently at work apparently his nickname at work was all words that was the rapist. all words that affect. signs are affect. so maybe the signs are there who knows? anyway, the social aspect this, social media aspect to this, because grooming gang because the asian grooming gang thing, a real it's a thing, this is a real it's a topic that really lights off a lot of people because for many, many, years, as you know , many, many years, as you know, it was predominantly asian

grooming gangs. were grooming gangs. they were abusing girls . and it was it had abusing girls. and it was it had abusing girls. and it was it had a blind to eye it for years up and the country. so i'm not and down the country. so i'm not singling a particular town singling out a particular town or city up and down the country and people are furious about that. think it's a that. and people think it's a real mis justice these real mis justice that these people taken seriously people were not taken seriously and time in and dealt with at the time in the that they should have the way that they should have beenin the way that they should have been in the legal system. so now when you see a of a girl when you see a case of a girl with a face smashed saying, with a face smashed up saying, this to me, i get this has happened to me, i get it. i understand why emotions run hit that send run high. you hit that send button off it goes viral. button and off it goes viral. but maybe this is a stark reminder to all us, actually, reminder to all of us, actually, that things are so emotive, that when things are so emotive, you to be careful and think you got to be careful and think twice before you just hit that send button. yeah i think that's that's very much a lesson to draw from this particular episode. i mean, one, one, one difficulty, i think, with arguing that we should make the names of people accused of rape pubuc names of people accused of rape public to encourage anyone else they might have assaulted rape to come forward to strengthen the case for the prosecution is

that well couldn't you make the same argument from the defence side. actually people who are accusing other people of rape their name should also be made pubuc their name should also be made public because they may have made false accusations before and the police aren't going to learn that . the jury aren't learn that. the jury aren't going to that unless their going to learn that unless their name made public and other name is made public and other people been people who've been falsely accused by them come accused of rape by them come forward . to up one forward. just to pick up one point laurie made, he cited point that laurie made, he cited the stat, which often cited the stat, which is often cited when discussed , which is when rapes discussed, which is the small number of rape prosecutions that actually end in conviction . and you you said, in conviction. and you you said, you know , you're concerned about you know, you're concerned about the victims. you don't get justice. but you were assuming that in those trials when the accused is acquitted, that's a miscarriage of justice. and whenever someone accuses someone else of rape , they're right. and else of rape, they're right. and they should be classed as a victim and the person accused is always guilty . it may well be always guilty. it may well be that the reason there are so few. well, the reason the reason there are so few convictions is because there isn't sufficient evidence most these cases

evidence in most of these cases to convict people. that mean to convict people. that may mean that some guilty people go free, but also means that innocent but it also means that innocent people not going to be people are not going to be jailed. and i think they argument for the presumption of innocence is it's better for a guilty person to go free than it is an innocent person to end is for an innocent person to end up in prison. i'm going to respond to that. yeah. and i'm not know, not presuming that, you know, i obviously understand the argument you're making there, but more qualified but those who are more qualified than maybe both of us, than me, maybe both of us, including the victims commissioner, very commissioner, have been very clear that there are some structural barriers to being able to put forward rape cases in them to be properly explored. one of them, for example, is underinvestment in the crown prosecution service. it's lost about 2500 members of staff is experience cuts of between a core and a third. and that has made it harder for people to be able to go through the criminal justice system to the point where the victims commissioner has questions has raised serious questions about that about the ability of that justice system actually justice system to actually successfully prosecute or successfully prosecute rape or to through process due to go through the process due process of exploring justice.

and we must remember a bit of wider context here, not every single case that goes forward gets the type of public attention that this one did more . the average case that we should be thinking about is a very difficult situation that's often not necessarily conduct in the public light, that has lots of very painful power dynamics. a lot of people who probably have been victims of rape often drop out of the criminal justice system because of how long it takes. the onus requirements on the amount of evidence they have to provide, and so on and so i'm not saying we need a situation where we believe everything out of hand and so on. i see the complexities here, but time and time again, i think we are rightly been told by people who have far more expertise in us that quite difficult for that it's quite difficult for people probably just simply people who probably just simply been navigate the been victims to navigate the justice are you a man or justice system. are you a man or maybe even a woman? actually, it's not that. i think this is just exclusively to men. but have you actually been have you ever actually been accused of something that you didn't accusation

didn't do and that accusation went and you had went public? and have you had your affected by that? your life affected by that? fascinating. a any stories out there if you've been impacted by that, get in touch. all the usual gbviews@gbnews.uk is usual ways. gbviews@gbnews.uk is the email address . but let me the email address. but let me ask you this right. the email address. but let me ask you this right . what do you ask you this right. what do you think to parents posting pictures of their children publicly on social media? perhaps you do it with your kids , your grandkids, whatever. i've never been a fan of it myself. i would think it's a bit weird. over in france, get this they could be bringing a law which basically would make it illegal , legal to do so . shall we have , legal to do so. shall we have similar here? your thoughts.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry . i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, lori lebonis 7:00 tonight alongside me, lori lebon is a policy researcher and has just been described as a great addition to the team.

congratulation was that i think it was his mom that brought up okay, we'll take it away anyway. toby young alongside him to the director of the free speech union. i'll tell you what has got you guys talking. tonight's is the story that one of my if it was nigel described as nonsense at the start of the show. it is about the story about the guy that had dyslexia that was saying that he couldn't turn up for work because of is dyslexia anyway , the tribunal dyslexia anyway, the tribunal ruled in his favour and said that he was discriminated against. so many of you are getting in touch saying that dyslexia is not a disability, but it is dyslexia. it's class, it meets the criteria of a disability and it's covered by the equality act 2010. do you have dyslexia? how does it affect your timekeeping? i'm really interested , by the way, really interested, by the way, how it affects your timekeeping. first off, you don't want to do perhaps, maybe like go to work versus it would affect your versus how it would affect your timekeeping , stuff you

timekeeping, the stuff that you do to do it. and i say like do want to do it. and i say like maybe your favourite do want to do it. and i say like maybe something r favourite do want to do it. and i say like maybe something getting ite do want to do it. and i say like maybe something getting such movie or something getting such a know thoughts on a let me know your thoughts on that. one of the comments that's in a few minutes. but for now, are a parent grump, parent, are you a parent grump, parent, whatever share pictures whatever do you share pictures of children? i'm sure of your loved children? i'm sure you with pride on open you do it with pride on open social media. i've got to say, i've always found it a little bit weird, actually, when you think of how many are loitering in corners of internet, why in corners of the internet, why anyone would want to serve up their children's images to them is me. anyway, each is beyond me. but anyway, each to over in france to their own. over in france they're looking at this and they're looking at this and they're looking at whether or not actually or wrong not it's actually right or wrong for parents to be able to do this. they're looking at whether or they should have a law or not they should have a law which would enshrine a child's right privacy. what it right to online privacy. what it would is that parents would would mean is that parents would have a duty to see their child's consent before posting a picture of bit weird, difficult , of them. bit weird, difficult, perhaps if child's about perhaps if your child's about three. anyway, your three. but anyway, laurie, your thoughts ? i think if you say thoughts? i think if you say kids who have social media accounts, maybe the bit older

than the ones who are referring to here, they know to be cautious about what they post onune cautious about what they post online because it could have consequences for them. now and into the future. and i just think that parents should have a similar consideration in minds that they balance their immediate desire to maybe post their kids at a birthday party or whatever with what that could mean into the future of what their footprint is for their digital footprint is for their digital footprint is for the may not be able to the kid who may not be able to make choice at that moment make that choice at that moment into future. and i think into the future. and i think that many parents are sensible now of the now from clued up enough of the risks of online behaviour that they probably try to make that balance i hope balance in their minds. i hope they do so. you that they would do so. you think that a if so many parents a lot of if so many parents clued up and all the rest of it when it comes to social media, why so many parents not take why do so many parents not take one of interest of what one iota of interest of what their children are on their children are doing on their children are doing on their my mind their phones? it blows my mind how many parents don't check the phones of their kids? yeah i mean, i hope that clued upon it right? i hope that parents, when their kids are too young maybe to make the choice are aware the

images that go online will could exist there for the long term and that that kid when they're older might be a bit annoyed that certain things are put online. so it's just another dimension of parenting now that we have to consider that what we do to look after kids , the do to look after kids, the health and wellbeing and so on, has this extra digital dimension to it indeed. toby yeah, i got into trouble for posting a picture of one of my son's on world book day in which you go to school. is your favourite book character. and he went as goldilocks and my wife dressed him as goldilocks from the three bears, and he was about eight nine at the time. and now if you google his name, that is the first thing that pops up and people think he's like that . i people think he's like that. i got so attacked for it by people who thought that i had a trans child and i actually child and i was actually significantly i did. i put it on twitter , which was, i think, twitter, which was, i think, a mistake in retrospect, i suppose, because i thought my wife done such a great job wife had done such a great job of dressing up as goldilocks in

the think the the room. i don't think the state should be state should should be intervening in family life in this way. you know, you're not going encourage parents to become more responsible by prohibiting seeing them, you know, by law from posting pictures of their kids on social media. it seems like overreach by the french state if it does indeed become a law. i mean, the rule in our household is since the kids have reached the age of 12, i've got four kids. they're all teenagers. so if you want to post a picture of them on social media, you have to get their permission. and that seems like a reasonable rule, though i did have on friends have one difficulty on friends with johnson. at with rachel johnson. i was at university and she once university with her and she once told kids that the rule in told my kids that the rule in her household that if she her household was that if she ever to write about her ever wanted to write about her kids in a column, she had to pay them since then, them £75. and ever since then, whenever i write about my kids, my me with a bill. my kids present me with a bill. how obscures . some to reach how what obscures. some to reach 75,000 to how she came up with that figure but underpricing it to you so your kids are what 12

now that they're 1415, 18 and 19 cause i'm your busy mum. you check that phones the younger ones, not the 18 year old, obviously. the younger ones. no, i don't check their phones now. why? so you have a 12 year old. does she have a smile? she have a smartphone. i've got i've got a smartphone. i've got i've got a 14. my youngest is 14. and he's a boy. and yeah, he has an iphone and it's password protected . don't it. protected. i don't check it. i do follow him on instagram, but l, do follow him on instagram, but i, i suspect that that what some what some kids do is they have like an official instagram account which they share with their parents. then they have an unofficial one, which they don't till their parents about. let's me i'm judging your me to say i'm not judging your parenting. of my parenting. it's none of my business. you get business. but don't you get concerned about what your 14 year old is up to on his phone? people have access to him . i people have access to him. i think he's just tweeting about, you , posting how you know, posting about how often. well you know, i'm well, i'm ordinary. you know, i'm not ordinary. you know, i dread to think where i'll be, like with my kid. i'm just it's to me, whole world of the

to me, this whole world of the internet risk that that internet and the risk that that exposes children to there exposes your children to there is a report that suggests that 50% of the of the photographs extra change on child forums initially had been posted by parents on their social media accounts as a real issue , by the accounts as a real issue, by the way, with this phrase child. there is no such thing. it's not possible that there is a such thing as child. a child cannot make. so what you're actually looking at is imagery or videos of child abuse. and if you look at these things, what you're actually viewing is a crime scene . so this the sooner we can scene. so this the sooner we can get rid of that phrase, child for me, the better. let's call it what it is, child abuse. and that's also called work. call it what it is a child, a crime scene . that's what i say. if you scene. that's what i say. if you are a parent that does share imagery of your children quite proudly , widely on the internet, proudly, widely on the internet, get me get in search and tell me, do not worry about it, david

says.i me, do not worry about it, david says. i think posting pictures of your child on the internet without permission is without their permission is absolutely especially if absolutely wrong, especially if you're doing it to get clicks and make money. as many people do, david says. really people really should think carefully before doing because no before doing this, because no matter loving the pictures matter how loving the pictures are, used by others are, they can be used by others paying are, they can be used by others paying them predators exploit paying them predators to exploit the situation . you lose all the situation. you lose all control, he says. once these images hit the public domain. yes, you are right, philip says. for once, france has got it right . the least amount of right. the least amount of information you put on social media about yourself or your kids, the better , george says. kids, the better, george says. what a strange world we live in. you can't post pictures on your kids online because of so—called, but you can't make your kids too drunk . queen story your kids too drunk. queen story our age do not even get me started on drag queen story out because that is a whole other section. could do a whole show section. i could do a whole show on while they're grown men. on it while they're grown men. once a dress sexualised once a dress in sexualised outfits for the enjoyment of children is absolutely beyond me. but anyway, like i say ,

me. but anyway, like i say, don't get me started on that one. right. the story that you're all writing about at me tonight really has got you talking is the ruling at tribunal basically that a company discriminated against a guy ' company discriminated against a guy , he had dyslexia. it says guy, he had dyslexia. it says that his condition basically meant read his alarm clock and now the tribunal has ruled in favour of this guy's saying that his company basically discriminated against it. goodness gracious me. what do you think to that ? give me your you think to that? give me your thoughts, gbviews@gbnews.uk .

hi, that this is dewbs& co michelle dewberry and i'm keeping it till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, laurie laban is a policy researcher and toby young is the director of the free speech union. now a topic that's

got you all talking. tonight's is this an employment judge's rule that a dyslexic employer should not have been forced to turn up to work on time ? this is turn up to work on time? this is basically a security guard from stafford and he reckons he was discriminated against because he's disability, made him disorganised because they often misread his alarm clock. he wanted his employers to let him show up basically about 20 minutes late. anyway, the tribunal found that his employers failed to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate his disability. lorry. there's so much i could say to this, right? that would get me in so much trouble. so i'm going to shut up and hand over to you. first of all, what do you make today? i think the employers should provide reasonable adjusted adjustments for people who have certain requirements. he for people who have certain requirements . he doesn't just requirements. he doesn't just have dyslexia, has asperger's syndrome as well, and he might have certain where he clearly

does have certain requirements . does have certain requirements. i think that the way this case has sort of been framed about whether it sort of means that we're pushing people with disabilities into low expectations isn't the case. i think i would fit that round and say that people with different requirements should be worked with so that they have the best set up to then excel and in this case, i'm not going to second guess the tribunal or necessarily he's got complex needs. i hope that him and his workplace can come to some kind of a arrangement where he can then excel in his role. i don't think that this necessarily sets a precedent we should be a precedent that we should be concerned where people concerned about where people running trying to game running around trying to game the system off work and the system to get off work and so a lot of people, most so on. a lot of people, most people meet want to work hard. people i meet want to work hard. they to like they're they want to feel like they're followed their jobs they followed in their jobs and they may certain requirements may have certain requirements that to that their workplace needs to work they can do that. work with so they can do that. toby a bit less toby yeah, i'm a bit less sympathetic than laurie . i mean sympathetic than laurie. i mean , i don't quite understand the argument that if you're dyslexic

, you have difficulty reading on a clock face. and he says, you know, he often misread his alarm clock in the morning. and that's why he struggles to turn up to work on time. but, you know, if it's an alarm clock, presumably the going off. so even the alarm is going off. so even if misread reading the if you're misread reading the time clock face still time on the clock face still know it's time to up and go know it's time to get up and go to and it's i think it is to work. and it's i think it is kind of offensive to people who suffer from far more debilitating disabilities, people serious mobility people with serious mobility issues, who do to turn up on work to on time to allow this guy this latitude because he's got a diagnosis of dyslexia. and as someone who is involved in schools, i help set up for free schools. i run a multi—academy trust. i mean, i'm sure is a trust. i'm i mean, i'm sure is a real condition but that left me quite cynical about the overdiagnosis of dyslexia , one overdiagnosis of dyslexia, one of the way in which private parents game the system is they pay a parents game the system is they pay a therapist to give their child a diagnosis of dyslexia and then the child gets an extra 25% of time in exams. and then the child gets an extra 25% of time in exams . and i'm 25% of time in exams. and i'm talking about gcses and a

levels. you know, you often wonder why are exam results so much better than schools than they are in the average state school? well, one reason is the higher up you go, the socioeconomic food chain, the more children are to be more likely children are to be diagnosed with . learning diagnosed with. learning difficulties dyslexia is one difficulties and dyslexia is one of the most popular, and they get extra time in exams. so of course do better. i can course they do better. i can tell you right, this seems to be the topic that's got you guys talking tonight. linda i am dyslexic and yes , i do have dyslexic and yes, i do have problems telling the time and measuring time and doing time sums . but i measuring time and doing time sums. but i know that i measuring time and doing time sums . but i know that i struggle sums. but i know that i struggle with this . i've developed many with this. i've developed many strategies to deal with it. dyslexia, says linda , is not dyslexia, says linda, is not a disability and it's not an excuse. as i mentioned earlier on, it is actually classed i mean, the word is dyslexia is a lifelong condition , has a lifelong condition, has a significant impact on a person's to day life. it meets the criteria of a disability and is therefore covered by the equality act 2010. my partner is a gp who has been diagnosed

dyslexic and has never been late for work and all he is such as being a gp in practise, says mark my services, i'm not about dyslexia, but my son has asperger's. his social anxieties are extreme some days he cannot cope. it affects every aspect of his life. and if don't know how bad this can for be people, it may be michelle, you should learn more about it. i have to say as well, this chap, this does say that he also has asperger's syndrome . now, let me asperger's syndrome. now, let me ask a question. so because you're saying i'm ignorant, basically, i need to go and educate myself, let me ask you this, though, because i think in life the only thing, perhaps sometimes you are in charge of all or responsible for is your reaction and out your reaction or response to . and i worry or response to. and i worry a little bit sometimes about the response and reactions that we choose. response and reactions that we choose . like linda saying, she choose. like linda saying, she has this condition. she doesn't regard it as a disability , regard it as a disability, whether it says differently perhaps in the law is perhaps why linda , a different thing. do

why linda, a different thing. do you think maybe that we have a situation where people take afflictions, take diagnoses and almost want to live a victimhood mentality under them , as opposed mentality under them, as opposed to wanting to try thrive despite that diagnosis? i'm going to let you ponder that because i suspect it might get a bit of a reaction. i can hear that lawrie wants to come back at me, so give me your thoughts on that and i'll come back in just a second and we'll go through some of them, shall we? let's do that

there's help for households. are you over state pension age? if your weekly income is below £182.60, or £278.70 if you live with a partner, you could be eligible for pension credit, even if you own your home or have savings. it's worth, on average, £3,500 a year and you could get help with heating bills and more, plus up to £900 in cost of living payments. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry , keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight. laurie laban is a policy researcher and toby young is the director of the free speech union. you guys getting in touch in your droves tonight about the news that an employment tribunal

is basically ruled that an organisation describing it against an employee that has dyslexia and asperger's because he apparently kept turning up late for work because of his condition . and the tribunal has condition. and the tribunal has in his favour. we were just talking about in the break. what were you just saying then, laurie, about this one case thing ? well, it's very easy to thing? well, it's very easy to take one specific case and then blow it up and think that all of society's riven with people who are trying to fake so and conditions skip work, we conditions and skip work, we don't how severe the don't know how severe the interaction between his dyslexia and his asperger's syndrome is he could be the best cigarette guy in the world. and because of this difficulty, he sometimes 15 minutes late and the workplace could have come to some arrangement with him where there's bit of that there's a bit of that flexibility then he can get flexibility and then he can get on within the best security guards. yeah. this i guards. yeah. so this is what i mean. this is the ruling. it says the could have says that the company could have accommodated mr. bryce requests for flexi hours the leeway for flexi hours and the leeway is ten or 15 to 30 minutes later

on occasion . what i found on occasion. what i found fascinating about all of this is alchemy was always late then because he was so confused about the his words, not mine . the time, his words, not mine. how want ali? he was how come we want ali? he was always late. so let's quote this on the tribunal. he was in pads. his ability to keep to a timetable and plan for potential factors such as traffic and weather conditions and thus is often not able to arrive in time for and engagements. so for events and engagements. so we we shouldn't kind of we again, we shouldn't kind of assume that every single day he was like 15 to 20 minutes. it could have been a cluster of times that led his workplace to, well, this this you say it's like one case. this will perhaps set now, this is a set a precedent. now, this is a bit i find quite bit that i find quite interesting, in life interesting, and i think in life to know what there's so many adverse is out there, so many challenges out there. there's people have physical mental people that have physical mental difficulties and challenges. and |, difficulties and challenges. and i, you know, i think it's so important to try your best to have a positive attitude, to try and manage your way through these things as best as you can.

obviously there will be restrictions and limitations in every case is different. i get that. every case is different. i get that . but every case is different. i get that. but linda's point, one of my view is that has this challenge. she comes up challenge. she says she comes up with strategies. she does various different things. if you're someone that struggling with the time, wouldn't you get your clock? your mates set an alarm clock? all to do is listen, all you've got to do is listen, right? i know when i hear right? i know that when i hear that noise, this is what i've got to do. if you're always late, when you your minutes late, when you get your minutes to time 20 minutes to set your time 20 minutes early. maybe. what i early. yeah maybe. what am i missing? just being missing? maybe i'm just being harper, but again, then harper, but. but again, then this specific case you've got someone with a potentially complex interplay with dyslexia and asperger's to various severities that we with in the past, in this country, in this situation where people with, say, physical disabilities have, i think we would agree, been i think we would all agree, been given certain in workplaces the ability to, for example , get a ability to, for example, get a lift up to the staff canteen . lift up to the staff canteen. and then it probably was a time where that didn't exist. and now it is they are support that are given for people with some requirements to have the support for people who experiencing

for people who are experiencing disabilities of disabilities in this kind of complex case. i think that having a precedent where workplace should work out how they this requirements they can meet this requirements is it doesn't is a positive thing. it doesn't mean we're going to bunking is a positive thing. it doesn't meworke're going to bunking is a positive thing. it doesn't meworke're goingsoon. bunking is a positive thing. it doesn't meworke're goingsoon. ibunking is a positive thing. it doesn't meworke're goingsoon. i tell;ing off work anytime soon. i tell you, been a manager you, i've been a manager or business these days trying business owner these days trying to deal with everyone's conditions of requests. that conditions of requests. and that in would be a 24 seven in itself would be a 24 seven job. i just worry that in this nation, you know what, we just breeding a nation of victims safe spaces, trigger words , all safe spaces, trigger words, all the rest of it. what happens? what varsity? what happens? sorry, resilience? what happens? i just try your best to i kind of just try your best to navigate challenges to get the optimum outcome for yourself. there anyone else for yourself ? there anyone else for yourself? i don't know. maybe i'm just being harsh and i'm sure you will not hesitate to tell me if you think i am right. let's talk about a secret happiness. about a secret of happiness. then talk about then we just talk about challenges. let's flip it on its head. secrets to head. what is the secrets to happiness? good relationship, strong family, conservative politics. perhaps because a study in the united states has found a link apparently between left wing values and heightened

anxiety. it even links ideology to rates of depressed sharing, which it reckons is especially prominent among younger liberals . apparently conservative teenagers not nearly as depressed . what do you make of depressed. what do you make of this? terbium yeah, i think it's a really interesting finding and it's been repeated it in different studies. so it doesn't seem to be an isolated one off finding. it turns out that liberals by and large, not all of them, but on average, are less happy, more prone to mental illness, anxiety , depression illness, anxiety, depression than conservatives and particularly liberal women . and particularly liberal women. and so there's a speculation as to why they should be. how do you explain this? and i just wrote a really good article by jonathan hight in the free press. he's an american can social psychologist, academe . rick psychologist, academe. rick wrote a great book called the coddung wrote a great book called the coddling of american mind with greg lukyanov and greg lukyanov. so insight into why so great insight into why students demand things like safe spaces and care about micro—aggressions and worry about having to encounter views

they disagree with. is because they've been coddled. they've been poorly parented, haven't been poorly parented, haven't been taught how to deal resilience. greg himself suffered from depression. at one point he was hospitalised depression and he overcame it when he was taught cognitive behavioural therapy and the three lessons he emerged was he emerged with from his his training was that the reason i was depressed is because i was prone to catastrophizing. i was prone to catastrophizing. i was prone to catastrophizing. i was prone to emotional reasoning and i imagined i was at the mercy of these forces i can't control and produce this great insight which is young people today particularly universities reinforced in social media that reverse cognitive behavioural psychology they're effectively taught to they're taught to emotion to engage in emotional reasoning. you know my feelings trump your facts . they're taught trump your facts. they're taught to believe that they don't have any control over their life at the mercy of patrick archy and heteronormativity and white heteronorm ativity and white supremacy. heteronormativity and white supremacy. all these oppressive forces turn them into victims.

all of these things can attribute to mental illness , to attribute to mental illness, to depression. it's the opposite of what the way they should be thinking. and that's he thinks why. and jonathan haidt thinks why, particularly girls, because they're more exposed to this kind on media kind of stuff on social media and it all kicked off when social media exploded with smartphones around 2012, 2013, he thinks it's because they're essentially being taught the opposite of the lessons they should taught . they're should be being taught. they're being in being taught they're not in control the world's going to control. the world's going to hell in a handcart. there's nothing they do about it. nothing they can do about it. that's so depressed. that's why they're so depressed. laurie i see some laurie yeah, i mean, i see some of the things you're saying there and i also think in some ways it is a bit tough no matter what your political persuasion is. have rivers full with is. we have rivers full with affluence . poverty is affluence. poverty is increasing. governments not providing enough supports people in the cost of living. crisis inequality is increasing money is being spent on crooked people and so on. and i think is quite and so on. and i think is quite a tough environment to look out at politically and we have political leaders who are

essentially saying that that's just the way is. we can't so just the way it is. we can't so much about and you know, much about that. and you know, just and pull your just crack on and pull up your bootstraps in your own way. and i the failure down there i think the failure down there when you at this piece too when you look at this piece too often, that you just often, the example that you just gave, affect your gave, does that affect your mental i mean, it's a mental health? i mean, it's a bit miserable, but i am a strong believer in the ability for better leadership, not the better leadership, for not the kind as miserable kind of defeatism as miserable ism we have in current ism that we have in current political and i'm political leaders now. and i'm hugely confident the ability of the british people's ability to overcome challenges that overcome the challenges that they face. i think there's too much that lack of ambition much of that lack of ambition and drive in politics. and i think , to be fair to many think, to be fair to many people, whatever their political persuasion, it can be a bit miserable to look upon that. but we it with different we can change it with different leadership, inspiring leadership, more inspiring leadership, the jonathan hight considers in this considers the hypothesis in this article , in the free press, that article, in the free press, that the reason people on the left suffer from depression more than people on the right is because they're just more sensitive to all these injustices in the world. they care more about environmental catastrophe and so

forth. but he says he cites this really good article by michelle goldberg , a left left wing goldberg, a left left wing columnist of the new york times. she points that all she points out that it all kicked off. it all exploded around 2012, 2013, when obama was re—elected , when the supreme was re—elected, when the supreme court extended gay marriage rights. it doesn't seem to be rights. so it doesn't seem to be connected with the political climate. it seems to be connected with smartphones and social well, you social media. well, there you go. i'm sure you guys at home will have lots of on that many of you. the thing that you talk about is that whole about tonight is that whole story about the tribunal. maria my has asperger's. he has my son has asperger's. he has severe problems with timekeeping. and your panel timekeeping. you and your panel have no knowledge of understanding with understanding of these. with this disability, cross and this disability, i'm cross and disappointed your lack of disappointed with your lack of empathy, says maria maria. i don't have a lack of empathy. what i'm trying to say is what i think we need to do, and i'm sure you do well with your sure you do it well with your son, is help people build coping strategies, be as strategies, help people be as busily they can be to get the busily as they can be to get the best outcomes possible for themself it's all themself on that note, it's all i've for laurie tobi, i've got time for laurie tobi, thank for your time . thank thank you for your time. thank

you your time and your you for your time and your comments tonight. comments and feedback tonight. have evening and have a fantastic evening and i will see you tomorrow . hello will see you tomorrow. hello there. i'm greg hurst. welcome to your latest broadcast from the met office. widespread and patchy ice across the uk tonight as temperatures fall below freezing rain and hail, snow moving in for wednesday. looking at the bigger picture , arctic at the bigger picture, arctic air across the uk at the moment, the winds coming from the north. but as we move through wednesday and into thursday, atlantic and into thursday, the atlantic moves weather systems, moves back in weather systems, stronger milder air stronger winds, milder air returns for many for this evening. we have snow showers across northern parts of scotland. strong winds for shetland, too. metservice snow and warnings here elsewhere and ice warnings here elsewhere on the clearing skies, temperatures falling well below freezing. widespread frost freezing. a widespread frost forming patchy ice in forming some patchy ice in places . a freezing fog, places. a few freezing fog, patchy as to temperatures down to minus ten, —11 across the glens of scotland. but rising across the far south—west first thing in the morning on wednesday as cloud of rain pushesin wednesday as cloud of rain pushes in from the atlantic. so most places, sunny and cold,

start the day this cloud of rain then slowly pushes in north and eastwards right, then slowly pushes in north and eastwards right , turning heavy eastwards right, turning heavy at times some hill snow possible over the ground before over the higher ground before turning to rain. turning back to rain. a metservice warning in force for northern ireland. lot of northern ireland. quite a lot of rain falling through the afternoon to some afternoon could lead to some localised flooding. still cold in east. in the north and east. temperatures reaching double figures the south—west into figures in the south—west into the evening time. the rain continues to push north and eastwards it hits the cold air against parts of scotland, tends to the higher ground, to snow over the higher ground, up centimetres possible up to ten centimetres possible here disruption elsewhere in here to disruption elsewhere in the early hours. plenty of rain across the uk, strong winds to further flooding is possible across northwestern parts of england into wales, temperatures generally through the generally rising through the night, nine, ten, 11 in the southwest to start thursday morning, an unsettled day to come on thursday. outbreaks of rain pushing north eastwards rain pushing north and eastwards across country met office. across the country met office. warnings in force for the warnings remain in force for the study brighter for the afternoon across northern with across northern ireland with blustery , perhaps a few blustery showers, perhaps a few glimmers for time in glimmers of sunshine for time in the and as we head

the southeast. and as we head towards the weekend, it stays unsettled further spells rain unsettled further spells of rain at and winds on the at times and winds on the outside , though. see you again .

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