dewbs& c0 the budget fallout dewbs& co the budget fallout continues tonight . now that continues tonight. now that we've all had a little bit of time to pick over the details, let me ask you this. low taxes, do you think we will ever see them again or is that just a distant memory? speaking of taxes, molly and all of you will be pulled into either ever paying be pulled into either ever paying taxes in the first place or be paying 40% tax. what do you make to that? is that fair or not? and were you one of those that were a guest, quite frankly, at the so called the lockdown files? well you would like to see the latest goings

on.the like to see the latest goings on. the official treasury twitter account is basically taking a mickey out of the whole thing by making it into some kind weird marketing tool. kind of weird marketing tool. what you think, too, that what do you think, too, that will have all details will have all those details tonight? and migration we tonight? and net migration we talk about, they often don't wave, but do you know it is now estimate said that we are going to reach a quarter of a million people per year in net migration. is that sustainable? if so, can you tell me how? because i haven't got the foggiest on it. and a bbc journalist has quit her role to campaign for britain to pay more reparations for slavery. would that be a campaign that you would jump on board with? if so, who gets it? how much and who decides? we'll have all of that and more. but first of all, let's bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's latest headunes. speed with tonight's latest headlines . michelle, thanks very headlines. michelle, thanks very much indeed. and the top story on gb news is tonight. the

government has agreed to pay offer with health unions representing nurses, ambulance staff and other nhs workers in england . they're going to england. they're going to receive a consolidated pay increase of 5% and an additional lump sum worth at least £1,655. if they back it. health unions have now suspended all planned strike and are recommending their members access the deal in an upcoming ballot. it comes after health workers in scotland, represented by the gmb union, accepted a six and a half % pay offer from the scottish government. the prime minister now says today's agreement is a message to other unions to stop the strikes and start talks. we want to have constructive dialogue with unions with serious about finding fair and reasonable agreements on public sector pay. i think today's agreement demonstrates that. and what i'd say to all other unions is, you know, please don't be striking. please come in and have those talks. we've been wanting to do and we

wanting to do that. and we today's demonstrates today's agreement demonstrates we're it. we don't we're serious about it. we don't want disruption. rishi sunak well, speaking to gb news, a short time ago, the head of health, unison sara gorton, says they want this to be the start of government and unions working together to make a difference . together to make a difference. well, i think the moral of the story is that when government works with trade unions , we can works with trade unions, we can actually deliver something that might make a difference to the health service . so, you know, we health service. so, you know, we want to see this is the start of a process where government actually listens to trade unions and accepts that we're the voice of health workers and wants to work with us, construct today. well, separately, junior doctors belonging to the british medical association are yet to resolve their paid dispute. however, they've welcomed an invitation to negotiate from the government, with talks set to take place tomorrow. we'll bring you fruitful details on that right here, gb news, when we get them. now, the institute for fiscal studies says the impact

of the government's new childcare subsidy on the labour market is highly uncertain . and market is highly uncertain. and that's after the chancellor announced children over nine months in eligible households would be entitled to 30 hours of free childcare a week. the independent group also said scrapping the pensions lifetime allowance was unlikely to play a big part in increasing the workforce , but warned it would workforce, but warned it would be expense if the labour leader, sir keir starmer , has pledged to sir keir starmer, has pledged to reverse the pension plans , reverse the pension plans, saying it will only help the richest 1. the idea that £1,000,000,000 giveaway to the richest 1% was necessary just just falls apart the moment it's examined. but it is about priorities. you know , the priorities. you know, the government has chosen not to prioritise those families that are really struggling. energy bills . yes, of course. the sum bills. yes, of course. the sum cap on it. but they're still double what they were just a few months ago. and, you know, a lot of people are paying £2,000 more

on their mortgage because of the mess the government have made. well as one strike seems resolved today, commuters are facing major disruption on the rail network. as members of the rmt union walk out once again in their long running dispute over pay- their long running dispute over pay. three and five services across the uk have been cancelled today . further strike cancelled today. further strike action is planned for the 30th of march and the 1st of april. the rmt general secretary, mick lynch, says the pay offer of a 5% rise from last year and a further 4% this year equates to a real terms pay cut . all of a real terms pay cut. all of those pay increases such as they are, which all amounts of pay cuts, have got to be funded by changes to our members. working conditions. so it's a self—funded pay rise really, and that's very difficult for us because the conditions they put in on that deal are just not acceptable to our people. so we're stuck in a deadlock really, where the offer is underfunded . the conditions are underfunded. the conditions are not acceptable and we haven't

got a way forward. now the government has imposed a ban on the take talk on all government devices with immediate effect . devices with immediate effect. the cabinet minister oliver dowden saying to the commons it's a precaution remeasure following a national cyber security centre's review of the chinese part owned company .the united states, canada and belgium have already introduced similar measures and police are to vote on rishi sunak post—brexit trade deal for northern ireland next week they're going to be asked to approve a statue tree instrument relating to the stormont break. as it's known from the windsor framework. that'll be on wednesday and it's going to be the first time the commons has been able to vote on the prime minister's new deal, which was agreed with the eu last month . agreed with the eu last month. the pentagon has released new video of the moment a russian fighter jet nearly collided with a us drone over the black sea. earlier on this week, if you're

watching on tv, you can see the declassified video shows the russian plane approaching the unmanned reaper drone and dumping fuel which damaged a propeller. russia has denied the accusations that its jets acted recklessly in the incident, which happened on tuesday . which happened on tuesday. that's all from the gb newsroom for now. more at the top of the houn for now. more at the top of the hour. more now from . hour. more now from. michelle thanks for that. i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company right through till 7:00 tonight alongside of me. kevin craig is the former labour councillor on the former labour councillor on the city of plymouth communications and daniel moylan is a conservative peer in the house of lords. good evening, gentlemen. good evening, michelle. the michelle. and you know the drill, you? it's not just drill, don't you? it's not just about those on the show. about those three on the show. it's much about you guys at it's very much about you guys at home. your mind home. what's on your mind tonight? the ways to tonight? all the usual ways to reach gbviews@gbnews.uk is reach me. gbviews@gbnews.uk is my or you can tweet me at

my email or you can tweet me at gb news. lots of you just getting in so much listening to those headlines there about the nature situation, the pay rise . nature situation, the pay rise. kevin, good news in your mind ? kevin, good news in your mind? really good i'm delighted really good news. i'm delighted that the government did that finally the government did get the table with the get round the table with the health unions and everybody i think be really glad. think will be really glad. fingers crossed we get an agreement. i mean, they offer what they've been given way agreement. i mean, they offer whatthan 've been given way agreement. i mean, they offer whatthan whatzen given way agreement. i mean, they offer whatthan what they iven way agreement. i mean, they offer whatthan what they were way agreement. i mean, they offer whatthan what they were asking less than what they were asking for. well, it's loads more for. so. well, it's loads more than what they were being offered. initially, we offered. and initially, as we all remember, government all remember, the government said, we're not even talking this your thoughts on this year. well your thoughts on that? daniel. well, i'm that? pay off, daniel. well, i'm glad are finished. glad the strikes are finished. but say, very worried but i must say, i'm very worried when see the head of that when you see the head of that union saying that that she wants to be part of running the nhs and should and the and it all should be her and the government round the government getting round the table how things government getting round the table run. how things government getting round the table run. we how things government getting round the table run. we tried ow things government getting round the table run. we tried allthings government getting round the table run. we tried all thatis government getting round the table run. we tried all that in should run. we tried all that in the past. get the unions and the cbiand the past. get the unions and the cbi and the government have it all get run the economy all run to get run the economy together all the big together and make all the big decisions. made decisions. trouble is, they made all wrong decisions, got all the wrong big decisions, got us into a total mess. i think you need to have lines of

you need to have clear lines of management in the nhs as you do in other organisations , and the in other organisations, and the idea the trade unions to half idea of the trade unions to half running the is recipe for running the show is a recipe for disaster. been great. disaster. this has been great. this thing has been this whole thing has been very good union membership good for the union membership doesn't because it was kind of not it was dying out, but it not was it was dying out, but it was certainly the decline. was certainly in the decline. all kind of very much all of this is kind of very much bolstered empowered. bolstered and empowered. the unions again. is that a good unions again. it is that a good thing mind? give me your thing in your mind? give me your thoughts. yesterday thoughts. but yesterday, of course, budget. you course, was the budget. did you follow doncaster? did you follow us to doncaster? did you enjoy that programme last night? i i have to say i very much did. i have to say there a a mixed there was a bit of a mixed reaction from the audience. hey by the way, speaking of audiences, if you watching audiences, if you were watching last was all this, last time, kevin was all this, it just into head. so it just popped into my head. so forgive you checked it. forgive me. you checked it. i everyone, this very rare that everyone, this is very rare that i this, but i was wrong . i admit this, but i was wrong. you kevin. i was you were right, kevin. i was wrong the audience when we were wrong. the audience when we were together in oxbridge, etc, were in johnson. you in support of boris johnson. you said there were not you were wrong, you were. i was wrong. they were not massively in favour johnson. anyway, favour of boris johnson. anyway, i back doncaster. i digress back to doncaster. they split pretty much on they were split pretty much on the budget night, but

the budget last night, but i don't really think that there was anyone truly jumping joy was anyone truly jumping for joy in and amongst you in that audience and amongst you guys comes to guys erm and when it comes to the fallout from the budget there's been of criticism there's been lots of criticism for the measures in it, for some of the measures in it, not least by the way when it comes to the than you. comes to the tax than you. moylan so many people moylan because so many people will be polled. i mean there's an estimate in 2027, just about the millions of people that will be pulled paying tax, a tax be pulled into paying tax, a tax at and again millions at 23, and then again millions more, three millions more, about three millions more paid you pulled into the 40 paid into you pulled into the 40 p paid into you pulled into the 40 p there was nothing on p rate. there was nothing on thresholds or anything like that. people will be feeling that. so people will be feeling very well, knew very much poorer. well, we knew there was be nothing on thresholds this all thresholds because this was all set year or the year before set last year or the year before that these wouldn't change. and that's was that's why nothing new was announced them . yeah, this announced about them. yeah, this has the fancy name and what economist this fancy economist i give this the fancy name drag . fiscal name of fiscal drag. fiscal drag. you get dragged in because of inflation into into higher tax bands. and of course because inflation so high, even more people and expected are being dragged into this. and of course, it's to hurt some course, it's going to hurt some people they're going to

people and they're going to realise free realise that there is no free money and you're going to have to make a contribution if you want all these things free of point of views, then they're going be paid for out going to have to be paid for out of taxation and i think it might even help country confront even help the country confront the my view, we're the fact that, in my view, we're spending too much public spending too much on public services. we than we can services. we more than we can afford , and people see it afford, and people will see it in their pocket. so you think it's a good thing? no, i don't think it's a good thing. but i think it's a good thing. but i think a clarion call. it's think it's a clarion call. it's a wake call. it's for people a wake up call. it's for people to people think a bad to make people think it's a bad thing, but it'll make people think how much is going off in my and what i getting my pocket and what am i getting for i think that's for it? and i think that's conversation we need to have in this i'm this country. kevin i'm fascinated that daniel fascinated to hear that daniel thinks spend too much money thinks we spend too much money on services. do, on public services. we do, because i have to because unfortunately, i have to work very late last night. michelle haven't show michelle i haven't seen the show yet i'm to watch it yet and i'm going to watch it back in doncaster, but i imagine most folks around you last night probably we spend probably don't think we spend too public services . i too much on public services. i think the budget, too much on public services. i think the budget , the biggest think the budget, the biggest thing for me is i think the

priorities were wrong in the pension focus when most people will see effectively , you know, will see effectively, you know, less money in their pockets . and less money in their pockets. and i think it's a challenge . you i think it's a challenge. you know, let's watch this . i'm know, let's watch this. i'm going to be very fair to the charts. and the prime minister at last we saw, which we haven't seen for a while, some vaguely competent emotionally intelligent people speaking at the top of the tory party with no offence to daniel's old boss, boris. but i think the picture they portrayed yesterday, witch hunt did very fluently. it's just a long way removed from the lives that lots of folk live in who's just getting in touch ? who's just getting in touch? simon said. michelle donelan said having to pay a 40, a 40% on on your effects, he said. you know , you've got it wrong. what know, you've got it wrong. what it is, is you're not you don't really start paying people confusing different things because what people are saying is they saw it going from 40 grand to 60 grand. but you conflate getting the pensions, what, the 40 grand to the 60 grand it was all about the grand was. it was all about the maximum amount money you

maximum amount of money that you could your pension . could put into your pension. previously, 40 year, going up previously, 40 a year, going up to 60. that's right, isn't it? yes. and now when it comes to the pensions, kevin just alluded to it, then there's been a lot of criticism, not least as well, because of the measures, because one of the measures, daniel, basically can daniel, was basically you can put the pension as put as much into the pension as you want going forward. labour said that they're going to reverse almost instantly reverse that almost instantly when into power. what when they come into power. what do think to measure? do you think to that measure? well, it was labour well, of course, it was labour who for to be who was calling for this to be done for doctors. only a few months chancellor's months ago, the chancellor's done doctors and other done it for doctors and other people well because it isn't people as well because it isn't just doctors who are giving up working because they they working early because they they run high pension run into this very high pension tax earn more than than tax if they earn more than than a certain amount, they stop working in their fifties because they've the it was they've hit the cap. it was always a gordon up to have always a gordon brown up to have this in the first place this system in the first place because we actually need a country. we are a country that needs more savings . and what needs more savings. and what actually we should be encouraging savings . and what's encouraging savings. and what's actually is that actually been happening is that people who have not been able to put into their pension

put money into their pension have into have been diverting it into buying buying up houses and flats that they've been letting out . they're usually bad out. they're usually bad landlords competing with first time buyers and then creating the private rental sector . the the private rental sector. the other thing about very quick is the idea that you get a tax break on putting your money into your pension. that's true , but your pension. that's true, but there's no tax on it is idiotic because you pay tax on your pension . all all of it, pension. all all of it, including your own capital that's being withdrawn . when you that's being withdrawn. when you take it out, you can have a tax free lump sum, but on the great majority, 80 of it, you are paying majority, 80 of it, you are paying tax and the treasury gets the money even if it lets you off at the beginning to encourage the saving, takes encourage the saving, it takes it you when you draw the it off you when you draw the pension later in life. i think the general point i really want to say response all of to say in response to all of daniel's comments are the things he's to they only he's alluding to they only affect this change a tiny affect and this change a tiny number of people by the number of people watching and listening to this show tonight who are going to say, well , you know, going to say, well, you know, we're quizzing now, guys,

because we could only because last year we could only put into our private put 40 grand into our private pensions gone up to pensions and now it's gone up to 60. a tiny fraction of 60. it's a tiny fraction of people. and those who could anyway is a very small number of people will benefit. and what labour said before, to be very precise to daniel, was that for doctors leaving the nhs because there was no incentive for the highest paid, keep it money and they a different they wanted a different arrangement. what wes arrangement. that's what wes streeting said. just like the judiciary but big judiciary have. but the big picture most people will not picture is most people will not be able to take advantage of this and it's a billion quid going to wrong priority . and going to the wrong priority. and i that's a very fair i think that's a very fair critique had a billion critique that we had a billion quid this year, you get quid that's this year, you get most of the money back. it's only because you're looking at one isolation . you will one year in isolation. you will get of back when get most of the money back when people are drawing their pensions you'll it flooding pensions, you'll see it flooding back into the treasury. leaving aside lump sum. kevin i do aside the lump sum. kevin i do know that. yeah, but leaving aside you pay tax at aside that you will pay tax at your marginal rate when you take it which could be or 45% it out, which could be 40 or 45% depending depending on your depending on depending on your total income. and i think that's

a benefit down the line and it's not far down the line because most people are close to retirement affected by that. it's just like the child care provisions that will come in in several and the people in several years and the people in the country now are really struggling. i think just struggling. i think they just want to see they don't need a billion quid benefit going to the best off. i mean , you know, the best off. i mean, you know, it's all a billion quid going to the best off. you missed representing it, kevin. you are misrepresenting it and you're looking purely in short looking at it purely in short term and haven't addressed term and you haven't addressed this are a country this point. we are a country that savings. now, if that needs savings. now, if people are going save you, people are going to save you, going look to the country to going to look to the country to provide savings investment provide savings for investment in not borrowing it in the future, not borrowing it all abroad. then of course, all from abroad. then of course, the going come all from abroad. then of course, the people going come all from abroad. then of course, the people who'veg come all from abroad. then of course, the people who've got come all from abroad. then of course, the people who've got money. from people who've got money. yes, but we're talking most people are no what? nowhere near the incomes or the affluent. there are other things in the budget. there are other things about agree with that in all parts of society , this is one parts of society, this is one necessary and valuable measure that you should be praising because it helps lay the

foundation for a successful economy so long it lasts. why doesit economy so long it lasts. why does it matter? kevin that there's only a small percentage of people that will be impacted by this? because what i find quite fascinating any of quite fascinating on any of these if it's just a these things is if it's just a small percentage people small percentage of people at the the middle, no the bottom or in the middle, no one cares. but as as it one cares. but as soon as it becomes a small percentage of people top, then you get people at the top, then you get the criticism, critique that you're kind of giving. now, why does many people does it matter how many people will impacted measure will be impacted by the measure right. is, when right. so your question is, when people the bottom are people at the bottom are affected, one cares. i didn't affected, no one cares. i didn't understand. what i'm saying is you push the people you push back. the people are giving well, giving as you're saying, well, there's only a few people at the top. so pushing top. yeah. so you're pushing back that matter. well, back on that matter. well, actually, there's only a few different perhaps different people perhaps affected by whatever measure. why people why does the quantity of people only play when only seem to come into play when it's the top end? okay. well, i don't know if i'd agree how don't know if i'd agree on how you framed my point is you framed that. my point is where are going through and where we are going through and it's of bodies saying it's a number of bodies saying publicly today about amount publicly today about the amount of that incomes of time that people's incomes are be down this cost are going to be down this cost of living, if any government really wants to try and do their

best for the country, put money in the direction of those most in the direction of those most in need done has been in touch again saying michel, in need done has been in touch again saying michel , this is again saying michel, this is what dan is saying, having to pay what dan is saying, having to pay for 2% tax on fat, 7.55 thousand a year is obscene when you can earn millions and only pay you can earn millions and only pay 45. but christine is almost instantly sent an email and it just counsels this because what christine is saying is one of the most worrying things that she thinks of all. this is just how few people actually understand the tax system and the pension system. because, danny, that's not how it works. so you have about so you want you have about i think it's 12 is it 12,500 roughly. right. no tax . so you roughly. right. no tax. so you pay roughly. right. no tax. so you pay no tax at all on your first 12 and a bit thousand, then you pay 12 and a bit thousand, then you pay 20% for a period. what's that cut off on the next seven. yeah. up to the 50 and then it's only just over 50,000. that's round. it's 50,000. it's 50,000. plus that you then pay the full % on that bit. and then once you get to i think it's 150, that's

what you pay the 42 that bit . so what you pay the 42 that bit. so yes, i get it. some of these things are complicated and christine says that actually when have these of when you have these kind of budgets in these conversations, especially around ins especially around pension ins and and pensions and and taxes and pensions and stuff, so many people stuff, i think so many people do get confused and they get kind of confused and they just i won't attention just go, i won't pay attention to well, about that. and to well, forget about that. and i'm retirement age and i'm not what retirement age and but pay for but actually it would pay for everyone make that they everyone to make sure that they do even it's just do understand, even if it's just a basic mix of the whole a very basic mix of the whole pension stuff because actually you get before you know it, you get old before you know it, don't time flies. so one don't you? time flies. so one thing, you is thing, michelle, you manage is to point about to tanya's point about the future. the billion quid, future. now the billion quid, which is relevant because that's the sum you could a quarter of a million people could have had four grand or half a million people two grand. not those right at the top. you know, that's how it could have been done differently. so the ones right at the top don't the right at the top don't get the money, but money it goes money, but the money it goes into pension fund. but into the pension fund. yes, but it's ultimately it isn't like the chancellor was standing there saying, tax there saying, here's a big tax rebate, you can go and spend. but you know what saying? but you know what i'm saying? here that's not being

here is money that's not being taken you. going into taken from you. it's going into a fund which is going a pension fund which is going to be presumably invested in the sorts things that need sorts of things that we need built kind of the built in this kind of the nation's profit and loss, effectively tax. it's not. it is. now you're making that up, but not because you're but you're not because you're confused. i'm not confuse. i know this stuff very well. know all this stuff very well. it me. well, i'll leave it affects me. well, i'll leave you to be the judge of one. you to be the judge of that one. i me. either one says i never got me. either one says isn't. leave you to decide isn't. i'll leave you to decide which one you agree with. now, the whole lockdown files have you been following that's been front for weeks. front page news now for weeks. pretty . and highlighted pretty much. and it highlighted what were quite shocking what i think were quite shocking revelation . and it's just about revelation. and it's just about some of the goings on in government. look at what the government. look at what the government has actually done. know now on its own twitter accounts. and i want your thoughts this . they're thoughts on this. they're basically taking the mickey. they're using this as a selling tool. if you would like a selling tool to basically promote their budget . and i want promote their budget. and i want you i'm going to take a for break a couple of minutes. amazon will not break. i want you to ponder how comfortable you to ponder how comfortable

you with this this whole you are with this this whole kind ring of the kind of leak ring of the whatsapp messages, us whatsapp messages, giving us an insight into government thinking, which was less than great. is this something that you should now capitalise on to market your wares if you're in the treasury? or should you just packitin the treasury? or should you just pack it in zip it, put your head down and hope that it's all forgotten about your thoughts. please, you into . there's help for households.

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the michelle dewberry keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. kevin craig is a former labour councillor and the ceo of palomar communications and daniel moylan is the conservative in the house of lords . you guys have been lords. you guys have been getting in touch about taxes. jeff says that whole kind . of jeff says that whole kind. of £12,570 is, if we want to be precise of personal allowance is not enough. he says. you should be able to get more tax free in

this country. do you agree with that? i do. and you know what would be really interesting? i go back to that billion quid that pension giveaway to that this pension giveaway to the not? you the richest 1. why not? you know, half a million people lower you know, no, lower down, you know, wait, no, we the personal we all get the personal allowance increase what's we all get the personal allowawellncrease what's we all get the personal allowawellusease what's we all get the personal allowawell use up. what's we all get the personal allowawell use up. use ihat's we all get the personal allowawell use up. use that; what? well use up. use that money. so at least it's going to more people who would make more of it. do you agree? just more. i mean that myself desperately unpopular. i think it's too high and it should be lower and the point about this is that people have have a stake in the have to have a stake in the finances of the country. so what would you do ? i don't know what would you do? i don't know what i'd reduce it to, but i wouldn't be increasing it because people have to have a stake. people need to be paying some sort of tax. need to know that they tax. they need to know that they are they do actually , are that what they do actually, that what they call for politically has consequences that everybody has to share in. and i've always been worried about the fact that for administrative reasons and convenience really the revenue was pushing this figure just

before thousand quid it went up rapidly under the coalition to about 12 and a half thousand really . they made a big show really. they made a big show about how it was helping the poon about how it was helping the poor, but it really it was about how it matched with pensions and so on, who is more convenient to do it that way for the for the revenue collecting it. and it's not problem with that. but but not a problem with that. but but the there are everybody the truth is there are everybody in this country now seems to think that the solution to all the problems is something free from the government and yet the tax base for income tax is getting smaller and smaller. you talk about those 1% is the number of people paying the bulk of income tax is down to a quite a small percentage of the workforce. and if that's what you want , that's fine in terms you want, that's fine in terms of, if you like, economic equity, but in terms of how you run a country in a way that where people make responsible decisions and vote responsibly and choose responsible politicians, it sends all the wrong signals to people. it gives people the idea that

there's lots of stuff out there for free. there isn't does it do you have that vibe at home? he says. daniel says everyone has this impression that if there's a problem , the state should a problem, the state should provide free stuff in order to fix it. by the way, a lot of that mentality was certainly enhanced during the whole covid thing, wasn't it? many people was sit and i know some was paid to sit and i know some of will touch and of you will get in touch and say, not michel, let's go do say, not me, michel, let's go do this and that. and i get it. wasn't everybody a great wasn't everybody but a great number were paid to number of people were paid to sit and do whatever work sit at home and do whatever work . pretend i don't know. . pretend to work. i don't know. you me. it's a 12,570. you tell me. it's a 12,570. what? you get free? daniel's saying actually, you should get less than that to improve your stake. kevin saying it should be more. i can kind of see both sides. i think there's an argument for getting some money for free because then you incentivise to go work if you're handing out big chunks wherever from penny one, then it's not it's not great, is it? so i get what you're saying when you're saying kind of lower and lower it. not sure i agree with

it. i'm not sure i agree with you because then your disincentive for people to get into world work, into the world of work, i probably think about right. probably think it's about right. that's income that's not whether the income tax would lower tax rate. what would you lower the income tax? where it. well i think starting rate to think 20% is a starting rate to even that mad socialist gordon brown had a 10% starting rate. so think i'm so i don't think i'm i'm completely saying that completely nuts in saying that you have a lower rate of you should have a lower rate of 10% for people on low earnings. but people need to have but i think people need to have some of stake, even if some sort of stake, even if they're paying at an earlier point, it could a lower rate point, it could be a lower rate , a 10% lower rate. what do you want to see thing? the people feel sense of connection to feel a sense of connection to the society, a stake in society based on the tax that they pay . based on the tax that they pay. well, i think what we've had recently and i think is really expressive and maybe i think you're right, there's a covid point here is that we've had a very large rise in energy costs, which was attributed to which clearly was attributed to a war that was happening outside our control. was a real cost our control. it was a real cost increase, at least repair. and it costs have come down a bit since then. the price of gas has come down on international come down on the international market. there's real cost and

market. there's a real cost and this affected sectors of this affected all sectors of society, including lots of middle class people. and they were there demanding the were all out there demanding the government actually do government should actually do something this make something about this and make this although it was a this go away, although it was a reality, it wasn't sort of reality, it wasn't like sort of just to pretend it was a reality that were going up, that the costs were going up, but they wanted the government to go away and the to make it go away and the government in and helped government stepped in and helped it go away, thus creating the sense the government's can sense that the government's can do these things. but you run do all these things. but you run out of money eventually. no it's 4 billion here or a billion there, and suddenly it's all gone.i there, and suddenly it's all gone. i mean, look, daniel, i don't wish to in any way remind you truths, but you some difficult truths, but people , the connection they feel people, the connection they feel to the state is linked to what sort of public services they receive. do they think that society is fair and under recent times , you know, energy times, you know, energy companies . yes, the war in companies. yes, the war in ukraine was difficult, but energy companies made huge amounts of money. the government had to be forced into a windfall tax . they've seen money wasted

tax. they've seen money wasted throughout the covid 19 pandemic. and they just want a sense of fairness. and they've seen public service is, you know, they are not in good shape. and the idea that we should cut back on public services is incredible. i think what you said, do you feel connected to the states and what is it that forms that connection 7 is it that forms that connection ? is it about how much you pay? is it about how much you take back, how much you receive ? i back, how much you receive? i don't feel massively connected to the state, i have to admit. maybe you are perhaps different. i don't think i said connected to this. if i did help, if i did what? i mean, i think kevin's making it up. i what making it up. i think what i said was, you need to be connected to the decisions that are made in the political, democratic, political process about what you about what what is what you spend money on. it has to be because they have a real choices that that have to be made out there. we cannot everything there. we cannot have everything paid for the government paid for by the government whenever goes slightly whenever something goes slightly wrong people are wrong and not stupid. people are not , says kevin marshall. not stupid, says kevin marshall. and note , i'll tell you and on that note, i'll tell you what was what i do think was

what i was i what i do think was stupid, know, the stupid, the you know, the so—called the lockdown files files have there were files that have there were leaked journalists to the leaked by journalists to the newspaper created newspaper papers. it's created quite of my view quite a scandal. all of my view is straight butler as is straight off the butler as soon i mentioned this, my soon as i mentioned this, my entry, michelle move on entry, because michelle move on from up talking from lockdown stood up talking about it came from from lockdown stood up talking abouviewers. it came from from lockdown stood up talking abouviewers. anyway,|me from from lockdown stood up talking abouviewers. anyway, the from your viewers. anyway, the government seems picked government seems to have picked up whole lockdown file up on this whole lockdown file thing they're now using it thing and they're now using it is a marketing ploy , if you is like a marketing ploy, if you would like, because on their twitter, the treasury twitter account, i played it to you earlier on. i'll it now. you earlier on. i'll get it now. you don't you don't need see the don't you don't need to see the country like the tiny in country like the tiny words in this thing, the way, because this thing, by the way, because the messages are kind of irrelevant. it's the principle that i'm interested in. they basically the mic that i'm interested in. they basi saying, the mic that i'm interested in. they basi saying, oh, the mic that i'm interested in. they basi saying, oh, gosh, he mic that i'm interested in. they basi saying, oh, gosh, you nic that i'm interested in. they basi saying, oh, gosh, you know , and saying, oh, gosh, you know, somebody stuff about somebody leaked this stuff about the budget and then the science department is getting involved. i think it's pretty disgraceful. your a marketing man, a congressman, kevin , what are you congressman, kevin, what are you saying i think saying to this ploy? i think it's really poor taste, michelle. and i think , you know, michelle. and i think, you know, it's one of those ideas. it was dreamt up in the room full of

overpaid people who think they're funny. right. and actually , hello, treasury. what actually, hello, treasury. what we're thinking about the we're all thinking about the whatsapp files is that we remember members of this cabinet having a go at the good people of this country, public servants berating teachers . it's not berating teachers. it's not funny. what do think you're funny. what do you think you're doing? but why would anyone think the thing that think is this is the thing that i get? why would anyone i don't get? why would anyone say assume that say it? because i assume that you'll and let blue you'll sit there and let a blue sky brainstorm meeting and come up strategy. up with this strategy. yeah, i know what do. will turn know what we'll do. will turn the files on head the lockdown files on its head and everyone i go, yeah, and everyone said, i go, yeah, high and off it goes. high five and off it goes. surely some one of these meetings must go. i don't mean to be but i don't think to be rude, but i don't think that's idea. sometimes that's good idea. sometimes i think say that think some people might say that some advisers have some political advisers have been too long. well been in power too long. well like have the advisers been in power too long? just a quick yes or no, just because of time. do you think that was a bit ill judged? yeah, we've had the treasury in this form for about 300 years. this is the first time they've made a joke. it's turned out to be a disaster. well, like, will they change? will change mind? i don't

will it change the mind? i don't know. did they offend know. do you did they offend you? that's our whole whatsapp thing not. did you it thing or not. did you think it was quite smart? mark you was quite smart? mark so you tell going to take tell me i'm going to take a quick break. i come back, quick break. when i come back, i'm going ask this i'm going to ask you this question. the ponderings over question. is the ponderings over the next couple of minutes, guys? be limit on guys? should there be a limit on net in this country, net migration in this country, a cap, if you would like it, sir. what should it be asked? about a quarter a million people a quarter of a million people a yean quarter of a million people a year, apparently, the year, apparently, is what the numbers are going to settle out imminently it imminently is that enough? is it too do you manage too much? how do you manage that? sustainable? your that? is it sustainable? your thoughts, i'll see thoughts, please and i'll see you .

in two. hello. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till seven. alongside me, kevin craig, the former labour council in the sea of panama communications, and daniel moyle moylan, is the daniel moyle moylan, who is the tory in the house of laws.

tory pair in the house of laws. what did i call it? anthony what did i just call it? anthony moyle something. i've ring moyle something. i've got a ring to it like . it's, i don't to it quite like. it's, i don't think it'll the break. think it'll stick the break. lots guys getting in lots of you guys getting in touch laurie says michelle you've about you've just been talking about the allowance . you the personal allowance. you didn't out that didn't actually point out that you the personal allowance you lose the personal allowance once a certain amount of once you hit a certain amount of money. your absolute right. actually, didn't it now, but actually, i didn't it now, but you're absolutely i you're absolutely right. and i don't think right. by the don't think that's right. by the way, policy i don't agree way, that policy i don't agree with actually when you with it that actually when you do to a certain point, do get to a certain point, i think it's 150 or when you lose think it's150 or when you lose the thing because the entire thing because between 101 because it 101 hundred. yeah. because it is all quite complicated. you get £1, you lose two or something like anyway, don't like that. but anyway, i don't think right. the ones he think that's right. the ones he gets. was that important. you, you're a penny you're not allowed a penny of tax at all. sure tax free money at all. i'm sure some of you might disagree with that. are that. lots of you, though, are getting in. one of my view is a saying, about people on saying, what about people on benefits? have to benefits? should they have to pay a benefits? should they have to pay a tax? if so, how much? i'll let think about that among let you think about that among yourself. don't even yourself. policy i don't even want pay any tax because he's want to pay any tax because he's pointing to the million that pointing to the £6 million that are into housing, people are going into housing, people that are crossing channel,

that are crossing the channel, he should i have to pay he says. should i have to pay tax? it goes into that. tax? and it goes into that. unfortunately we don't actually get save any at all as get much of a save any at all as to where our taxes go. pamela says that it won't pay any more tax because it is being wasted on hedge as to i asked you to ponder question over the ponder the question over the break migration . should break about migration. should there be a cap to it? what would it look like ? a couple of you it look like? a couple of you been saying there been in touch saying there should cap of absolutely should be a cap of absolutely zero. we shouldn't have any migration. people are migration. all some people are saying absolute useless saying caps are absolute useless because they will not be enforced anywhere . keep your enforced anywhere. keep your thoughts coming that. the thoughts coming in on that. the office budget responsibility office for budget responsibility basically in what basically says that in what migration going to migration is going to settle about quarter of a million people per year. daniel, what do you think to this this figure in net migration ? cause many people net migration? cause many people will say it's too high . people will say it's too high. people will say it's too high. people will say it's too high. people will say get rid, pack it in, just let anyone come have an absolute for free all. don't even kind of have border controls in the first place. why do it? well, i'm do you sit on it? well, i'm going at this slightly going to come at this slightly differently. this is another budget story this figure

budget story because this figure is from the is actually coming from the office budget responsibility office for budget responsibility and the king the and they are the king of the walk now because since they got rid liz truss things they rid of liz truss things they have to do what rid of liz truss things they have say to do what rid of liz truss things they have say and to do what rid of liz truss things they have say and they've to do what rid of liz truss things they have say and they've got do what rid of liz truss things they have say and they've got this what they say and they've got this model, dodgy i'd model, dodgy model. i'd say a bit some of the covid bit like some of the covid models in which one of the inputs is immigration. and the more immigration there is , the more immigration there is, the faster economy is growing in faster the economy is growing in their model. basically and that means that the chancellor , they means that the chancellor, they say to the chancellor , if you say to the chancellor, if you agree to more immigration, you can have lower taxes. you don't have be so stringent because have to be so stringent because the economy going to and the economy is going to grow and help so the help you out. and so the although they say they're neutral commentators , they neutral commentators, they actually on actually put pressure on politicians to increase immigration through that through this dodgy model. and that's where this figure is coming from. it's their prediction . and from. it's their prediction. and if they rewrote , if they put if if they rewrote, if they put if they rewrote their report and said immigration is going to be zero, their model would come come down, the growth would come down, all the taxes would have to go up higher. so this isn't really forecast. this is their

really a forecast. this is their estimate to make the numbers add up help the chancellor work. up to help the chancellor work. is too high? you is the figure too high? what you really want to ask me? yes, the figure is too high. we figure is too high. what we should focusing on on this should be focusing on on this country from country is getting away from this economic model of running everything dependent on importing cheap labour. we need to be automating, modernising the economy , learning how to do the economy, learning how to do things in a smarter way. and i agree, you can't do everything that way, but we should. that's what we should be doing. that's where the government's focus should automate automation and modernisation. that, should automate automation and nhearnisation. that, should automate automation and nhearjobition. that, should automate automation and nhearjob losses, that, should automate automation and nhearjob losses, reduction that, should automate automation and nhearjob losses, reduction ofiat, i hearjob losses, reduction of job, i no know what you job, i hear no know what you hear less need for hear is less need for immigration. no shortage immigration. there's no shortage jobs for people in this country already . no shortage. kevin so already. no shortage. kevin so well , i mean , already. no shortage. kevin so well, i mean , why is suella well, i mean, why is suella provenance so rated about a number? what does it what does it mean to i mean, i know many people are worried about immigration levels because they feel a sense of dissatisfaction and unfair ness about

uncontrolled illegal immigration. and i think that's that's rightly a big issue. but the number is kind of random of the number is kind of random of the first step is to get systems in place, control it properly , in place, control it properly, which the government has failed to do. lumentum bailey and then also look at why got 70 people in our own country not working but a target . i mean, i feel but a target. i mean, i feel it's somewhere between 200 to 200000, but it's quite arbitrary. the whole thing really . i just sometimes really targets. i just sometimes think she , the home think that she, the home secretary, doesn't have lot secretary, doesn't have a lot else talk about, but you else to talk about, but you know, so this is what she's know, so this is not what she's talking about. this is the obe all figured to be fair. well, to be dragging her in. nobody's talking about this. you know, she she wants that talk. yeah, she she wants that talk. yeah, she says it's her ambition. it is to have this number below 100,000. it is suella. yeah. and so there's something to say. you know, the obe are right office budget responsibility sometimes good folk like daniel he just said they got rid of liz truss. no they didn't. liz truss got rid of liz truss but but the

immigration mess is not it's not just this government is it. and it's not just a tory problem because you will be very familiar under the blair error in 2004. i think it was we've talked about this often the eu kind of expanded eastwards. the uk was , i mean there was hardly uk was, i mean there was hardly any actually that did any countries actually that did this, the uk was one of the this, but the uk was one of the tiny minority of countries that immediately labour immediately opened the labour market all the, for market up. so all the, for example, polish the example, the polish people, the poush example, the polish people, the polish workforce , etc, all they polish workforce, etc, all they are the countries most of are the countries on most of these people like these are countries. people like germany, put transitional germany, they put transitional controls in for years that controls in for seven years that didn't their labour market. didn't open their labour market. so it's not just this government that's kind of a little all that's kind of a little bit all over place with numbers and over the place with numbers and predictions the rest . predictions and all the rest. but comes to immigration but when it comes to immigration , that's fair. and, you know, the i think for the last 20 years under different parties, we've seen a lot of things. i mean, i don't think germany in particular has got this right at all. i mean, think that we our all. i mean, i think that we our numbers compared numbers are still compared to others, relatively small. but the that people upset the thing that gets people upset still of order and

still is the lack of order and control over people coming in illegally . and that is illegally. and that is understandably a priority . that understandably a priority. that isn't really what we're talking about, but it is. it isn't, about, but it is. no, it isn't, actually, because this is not this is not about illegal this figure is not about illegal immigration. figure is not immigration. this figure is not about people arriving in boats . about people arriving in boats. i'm saying that we had legal admitted immigration last year of something in the order of half a million people. now, admittedly, something like half those were students or a third of them were students. but that has very large number and has a very large number and that's what this figure is about . these are coming , . so these people are coming, they are being processed. they are actually the home office is running system and it is running the system and it is working properly. and there in it's government it's all about government failure . this is about an failure. this is about an economic failure to manage and a modern final words of interest. i don't where why where does a of 100,000 come from as a target for the home secretary right. there's no target. it's a bit challenging to have a target for you, is it? i'd love to know what labour's policy on this is. i know it's not fair to ask you

because you're only an ex councillor, but there must be somebody in the labour party who knows their policies knows what their policies while got got the got the chance. they got the floor kevin what the floor floor here. kevin what the floor is. cooper was very clear is. yvette cooper was very clear about it last week. i mean, i'll point you towards her tweets about, more officers point you towards her tweets abotout more officers point you towards her tweets abotout the more officers point you towards her tweets abotout the administration cers point you towards her tweets abotout the administration of s saw out the administration of illegal immigration , which we illegal immigration, which we all agree, but we need the all agree, but we don't need the so on targets the policy the half a million who came last year and the 245,000 that they're saying legally they built into their model every year for the foreseeable future, whatever it on that is the whatever it is on that is the right figure for the labour. well obviously , just like well obviously, just like laboun well obviously, just like labour, labour said this week, johnny reynolds said it last night, a member of the night, who's a member of the shadow okay shadow cabinet, that it's okay to have a target he doesn't know what that is at the moment. but managed, managed migration is good, but not figures plucked out of the air. and if people contribute , they're welcome contribute, they're welcome here. yeah, i mean, i've got to say, i did. i did say this point, but i think when you say about plucked out of the air, everyone will be familiar with

that. i think it was 5 to 15000 figure literally was figure that literally was seemingly plucked of the air seemingly plucked out of the air back and the figure was back in 2004. and the figure was goodness many fold goodness knows how many fold that, was many, many, that, but it was many, many, many, many times more. what many, many times more. but what do to target ? is are do you reckon to target? is are they a good thing or i think perhaps kevin might be perhaps what kevin might be alluding to is they're pretty much if doesn't much pointless if there doesn't seem to be much substance behind them. what do you think on it, anyway? something anyway? is it something you could we're could even control or we're seeing moment in the seeing at the moment in the channel just pretty much seeing at the moment in the ch'what just pretty much seeing at the moment in the ch'what they just pretty much seeing at the moment in the ch'what they want;t pretty much seeing at the moment in the ch'what they want anyway. much seeing at the moment in the ch'what they want anyway. do :h do what they want anyway. do they rise? quick break. when i come back, want you come back, want talk to you about reparations. is it time for to more? if so, for the uk to pay more? if so, to how much was cut to whom? how much was the cut off and who gets to decide? give me your thoughts and i'll see you .

in two. hello. i'm michelle dewberry , hello. i'm michelle dewberry, the company between these two and so 7:00 tonight. kevin craig, the former labour

councillor and the ceo of palomar communications , and palomar communications, and daniel moylan is a conservative peerin daniel moylan is a conservative peer in the house of lords talking about whether or not they should be targets for net migration in this country. he says yes, they should be. it should be in the negative , you should be in the negative, you should be in the negative, you should have negative net migration should because he says the country is struggling struggling. so it is he says with the infrastructure what would you do with these people and deport them off where? well i don't know you could be your fault. we're going to do with these people. no idea. but i think lots of you do make a valid point about that whole infrastructure just infrastructure thing i just touched it's all touched on, because it's all well isn't it? well and good, isn't it? expanding population. but well and good, isn't it? exyou ding population. but well and good, isn't it? exyou don't population. but well and good, isn't it? exyou don't expand ulation. but well and good, isn't it? exyou don't expand your>n. but if you don't expand your infrastructure, hospitals, if you don't expand your infrastructuri all ospitals, if you don't expand your infrastructuriall the tals, if you don't expand your infrastructuriall the rest of it, schools and all the rest of it, then is the point? right. a then what is the point? right. a journalist for the bbc's the organisation, she wants to campaign slavery campaign for slavery. slavery reparation the reparation payments to the canbbean. reparation payments to the caribbean . long story short, caribbean. long story short, these ladies family was involved in and they've made in this and they've made a payment some project in payment to some project in granada . and i'm going to cut to granada. and i'm going to cut to the chase on this one. we have

lots of conversations about reparations for various different pockets of people, different pockets of people, different communities, and the different communities, and the different ills. where different communities, and the dif'yourt ills. where different communities, and the dif'you stand ills. where different communities, and the dif'you stand on ills. where different communities, and the dif'you stand on it ills. where different communities, and the dif'you stand on it all? where different communities, and the dif'you stand on it all? doese different communities, and the dif'you stand on it all? does the do you stand on it all? does the uk have to pay or should we be paying uk have to pay or should we be paying any more money? reparations to whom? and going how far back? no don't think we should be. mean, it's should be. i mean, it's obviously mr. williams obviously up to mr. williams family what they do with their own money. think it's own money. but i think it's really interesting that she does something with her own money and then wants to the whole then she wants to drag the whole country what she's country into doing what she's done. mean, she wants lead done. i mean, she wants to lead by example. please believe that. well, don't think it's a good well, i don't think it's a good example, to be frank, that example, paul, to be frank, that the should follow. the country should follow. as i say, it's up to her what she does her what they does and her family, what they does and her family, what they do their money. it's do with their money. it's not a good example because the truth is until 100 years ago, is that until 100 years ago, roughly world didn't roughly the whole world didn't have people. and nearly have enough people. and nearly all practise some all countries to practise some form slavery or coercion or form of slavery or coercion or forced population . since the forced population. since the aztecs, for example , not only aztecs, for example, not only forced, had had the populations around them enslaved , they around them enslaved, they actually ate them as well . so, i actually ate them as well. so, i mean, you've got these things.

are they are they apologise for that. lots of europeans were dragged off into slavery in the turkish empire and other mediterranean empires during the middle ages. we are we are asking reparations for that. the whole thing is a complete nightmare . if you start going nightmare. if you start going into it and you should never remember the effort, the british government put in and british taxpayer put in to ending the slave trade and ending slavery as a status , which we did and we as a status, which we did and we led the world on. and i'm not saying that that is, you know , saying that that is, you know, we get unique sort of a prize for that, but it is a point on the other side, and i think that's got to be remembered as well. kevin i think the key point here is how would you ensure that the money any reparations went to the right people? how could you guarantee that? i think daniel is one point i'd agree with is for this person. it's up to her what she and her family want to do. i

suspect none of us around this table have got family history. that means our ancestors profited from the slave trade . profited from the slave trade. if we did and we'd amassed fortunes of millions, we might want to do something to give back. great and good back. that's great and good honoun back. that's great and good honour. but as a country , a honour. but as a country, a wonderful nation, britain . yes, wonderful nation, britain. yes, we've got parts of our past that were horrific and the slave trade before we helped abolish it is part of that. king charles has said . he wants to have an has said. he wants to have an open conversation. i think that's really healthy because slavery was so bad. but you know, it's too i think it's very challenging to ensure that monies would actually go to the right people in the right way. much more important about what we do with foreign aid spending, i think foreign aid, by the way, when i was in doncaster yesterday, a couple of people said that they were very disappointed were disappointed that there were no foreign kind measures, foreign aid kind of measures, etc. included in the benefit in the yesterday increases, the budget yesterday increases, michel, the budget yesterday increases, michwanted to see. yeah, my they wanted to see. yeah, my audience would say actually would you not agree with that?

reducing foreign no, reducing foreign aid? no, i think it's one of the things that to the world a better that we do to the world a better place, as you know, as long as it's affordable. so you would keep levels very keep at its current levels very briefly on foreign aid, what do you think of that? do you think it be reduced we'd have it should be reduced we'd have more money pay on foreign more money to pay on foreign aid if to sign up if we hadn't agreed to sign up to such large sums to the to pay such large sums to the european which we're european union, which we're still paying, which would be another this and another 8 billion this year. and we'll smaller sums we'll continue in smaller sums for years to by for several years to come. by the way, many will say as the way, many people will say as well, on earth are we paying well, why on earth are we paying foreign to countries that, foreign aid to countries that, foreign aid to countries that, for have a space for example, have a space program? you know, a shortage of ukraine bomb. yeah. ukraine nuclear bomb. yeah. around your around sending your your bits and and you and pieces up to space and you can think of around looking after the needy in after the poor and the needy in your country. some might your own country. some might argue. and california, by the argue. and in california, by the way, proposal when it way, there's a proposal when it comes that every comes to reparations that every black receive black resident should receive £4.2 million. the equivalent of to up for decades of harm. to make up for decades of harm. how responsible you by how responsible do you feel, by the way , for your ancestors the way, for your ancestors going back? goodness knows. how many years do you feel any sort of responsibility at all? i have

to say, i don't look back into history and think somehow i am in some way responsible for something. and therefore, in the current apologise . current thing should apologise. but people do feel that but some people do feel that way. don't want to show if way. i don't want to show if your account your family bank account michel was stuffed full of money, directly traceable back to the transportation of human beings , transportation of human beings, as the civilians then get as was the civilians then get your wallet out. but most people, whatever their ethnicity , that doesn't apply to them. well, they go, would be well, they go, would you be happy pay well, they go, would you be happy pay reparations? to happy to pay reparations? to whom ? how much your thoughts? we whom? how much your thoughts? we could keep that conversation going long. look going all night long. but look at time, everyone. it flies, at the time, everyone. it flies, doesn't when you are having doesn't it? when you are having fun. lots of you are divided on that one, by the way, can that tax. one, by the way, can you imagine if you just milling along ? you don't to pay along? you don't have to pay your 40% tax. you think for your 40% tax. you think it's for someone and boom urinates someone else and boom urinates lots not appreciating lots of people not appreciating that . daniel, thank that situation. daniel, thank you very much your time, for you very much for your time, for your insight. kevin the same for your insight. kevin the same for you to have say the whole you to have to say the whole reparations is getting not reparations thing is getting not much support for my inbox. reparations thing is getting not much support for my inbox . they much support for my inbox. they have a great nice nigel farage.

up have a great nice nigel farage. up next. hello there. i'm greg hurst. welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office . broadcast from the met office. over the next few days, it stays unsettled. we'll see showers some longer, spells of rain in places, too, but will be places, too, but there will be some sunshine and temperatures above at above average. looking at the bigger low pressure bigger picture, low pressure dominate weather dominate. it's the weather pattern through the pattern as we move through the rest the week into the rest of the week into the weekend showers longer weekend. showers or longer spells brisk winds at spells of rain so brisk winds at times but perhaps drier times two, but perhaps drier interlude as we move into sunday. so back to this evening . lots of cloud across the uk, some showery outbreaks of rain moving north and east, the damp and across southeastern england to similar as we head into to stay similar as we head into the early hours of friday morning. some showers in places , but as a result for lots of cloud temperatures remaining above . so a frost free above freezing. so a frost free start to friday morning, lots of cloud around some showery outbreaks of rain, but there will be a few glimmers of sunshine we through the sunshine as we head through the day. we should see in the day. we should see more in the way blue skies developing, way of blue skies developing, particularly parts particularly across parts of wales the midlands, wales into the midlands, northeast will northeast england. but this will spark some showers as we spark some heavy showers as we move into the afternoon.

move through into the afternoon. but in between some dry spells and feeling quite warm , the and feeling quite warm, the sunshine highs around 16 degrees, still a little breezy around some southern western around some southern and western coasts into the evening time on friday. still some showers pushing north and eastwards , pushing north and eastwards, perhaps spells of perhaps some longer. spells of rain possible across seven counties england and then counties of england and then later on across western parts of scotland. but overall, again , scotland. but overall, again, quite a cloudy night to take us into morning, meaning into saturday morning, meaning temperatures staying well above freezing for also another frost freezing for also another frost free start to saturday morning . free start to saturday morning. but it means a lot of cloud around. first thing to start the weekend, some showery outbreaks of rain in places but similar to friday, we should start to see the cloud breaking up as we move through the morning into the afternoon. will afternoon. but this again will spark showers, spark a few heavy showers, perhaps odd rumble of perhaps the odd rumble of thunder, too. so you need thunder, too. so you might need your you're out and your probably if you're out and about. at the same time, about. and at the same time, a weather front moving into the northwest, it should become dry . sunday, it's . as we head into sunday, it's feeling a little bit cooler as well, but more rain as we head into monday .

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